Not So Smart


"The Fed can afford to lose money because it can simply print more."
--The New York Times

     One striking but little discussed element about the new Netflix Washington political drama series, House of Cards, is that every time a character picks up a cell phone, something bad happens. The character's phones shadow them at every turn like evil twins, giving the impression that the US government, and everything in its orbit, is run not by human beings but by cell phones. The people attached are merely puppets of the phones.
     I don't think this is a sign of the rumored "singularity," the point at which human and machine intelligence supposedly meld into a shimmering synthesis of silicon masturbation fantasies. Rather it's just another demonstration of the diminishing returns of technology -- or how thinking you're so smart actually makes you stupider. Surely we are a stupider nation politically than we were before the age of texting, drones, and high frequency trading.
     I have no predictions about what exact effects the so-called Sequester might bring about when its dreaded hammer rings down on Friday. But something that works as a bitch-slap upside this nation's tattooed head is apt to be salutary, if only to demonstrate to the apathetic masses and its grifter leaders that anything which can't go on forever, eventually won't.
     What disturbs me, a non-right-winger politically, is that the US government should not try to replace a functioning real economy of volitional exchanges, especially if necessity compels that economy to change. That is what our government has been attempting by stealthy increments for decades and now with reckless abandon in the new era of a permanent contraction that no political figure can fathom. Lately, this trend has been ramped up under the wishful hypothesis that some magical new technology or financial "secret sauce," will eventually bring back a return to the nirvana of techno-industrial boom times, if only we can be "smart" enough. The wishing is evident in such con-jobs as the shale gas bubble ("We'll soon be energy independent") and the idea that a few new Apple fabrication factories, staffed largely by robots, will save the remnant American blue collar class from their fate as tattooed convenience store layabouts.
     Of course there is plenty of real work to do around the USA in transitioning to the next phase of history, but we're not interested because it might violate our narrow comfort zone. We need more people to start working at local farming. When agri-biz fails it will happen hard and fast because of its seasonal nature, and the familiar distribution networks (supermarkets) will fail with it. American political leadership won't inform its citizen-subjects about this beforehand, or shift policy supports away from their ag-industrial client-patrons. To be fair, American citizens can't see themselves working in the crop rows, either. They will choose to starve rather than do what they've seen Mexican migrants do for a couple of generations -- and they will starve, eventually, too, even with The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills playing on the flat screen in the background.
      If we weren't such a stupid people in thrall to our "smart" phones, we'd be rebuilding the US passenger railroad system for the day, not far off, when the grand entitlement of Happy Motoring rather suddenly vaporizes for a significant chunk of the population. The lack of interest in that project is really something to behold. Politicians who systematically "de-fund" the rail corridors, which is the case here in the Northeast, do it because they are as clueless as their constituents about what's really coming down. Rather, both the politicians and the public place their bets on "self-driving cars" powered by an as-yet-to-be announced sovereign replacement for liquid hydrocarbon fuel. The net effect of that stupidity is that your children and grandchildren will lead lives in which they rarely travel more than ten miles from home.
     What also gets me about the aptly-named tele-drama House of Cards is the way all the leading politician characters are seamlessly conveyed around Washington D.C. by chauffeured limousines, even two-bit congressmen from states where people don't eat with knives and forks. Cossetted in their air-cooled back seats, they relentlessly romance their smart phones, making more trouble for themselves and for everyone in this sad-ass feckless country. What a tragic conceit for the nation of dunces we have actually made of ourselves.
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First. Now let us read the column and learn....

The sequester is fiction, basically, both for what it is supposed to be and what it will do. A temporary 5% cut in spending for a nation teetering on the brink of complete collapse has no real meaning, one way or the other. We can't stave off the reality of civilizational overshoot and can't stave off the collapse which is going to follow in the near future, paving the way to a new Dark Age.

Visit the Leibowitz Society at http://leibowitzsociety.blogspot.com/2013/02/codex-context.html for more information and commentary related to our coming Dark Age, as well as steps to preserve our treasured knowledge.

In Reinventing Collapse, Dmitry Orlov confirmed that "in every age and circumstance, some people have always managed to find enlightenment, fulfillment, and freedom."

In this age and circumstance, even amidst the smart phones, we can place ourselves among Orlov's "some". For me, turning off the devices and tuning out the news and non-friends/family members during non-working hours opens up a lot of time to walk outside, cook, get together with people, read, and write—all free or almost-free activities that enlighten, fulfill, and us more free.

"paving the way to a new Dark Age"?? we haven't left the 'dark ages' yet!

Saw The Future ...

Economists have this expectation of Economic Growth as if it were a god given law and not just a temporary quirk of a given era etc. The entire pattern of Economic Growth emerged only thanks to technology and industrialization and such, the application of technology to production processes and so forth and then something that has been going on only within the last 300 years or so, also given to the fact that almost all of science has been discovered in the last 300 years. The entire idea of growth comes from the idea of progress, of going forward, of constant improvements, of something constantly going higher and higher, better and better and this can easily be traced to the progress in science and technology and its effects accordingly on the economy and such. But it is a short story, just a short period of time when humanity followed this path, it is not a law, it is not to be taken for granted, it is a work in progress as the pattern can change, will change and depends on any number of any possible variables and such. But the economists insist, the USA and the EU and JAPAN must grow, when this is essentially over, can no longer happen and won't happen at least in the following years.

Some reasons:

1) You cannot compare the possibility of growth with what China does since China can force growth through unlimited government spending; and they don't have the crappy democratic process blocking all kinds of projects like high speed trains, nuclear plants and skyscrapers, something the west can't do because the democratic process forces you to abide to the greens and others and such, and yet all of these infrastructure and large scale processes make China grow a lot economically, a kind of forced growth, a kind of artificial growth (as opposed to Brazil or India or Russia that seem to have a much natural automatic growth similar to what the west once had when going from poor to middle class);

2) You can't compare any possibility of growth (and expect that kind of growth anymore) with what happened after WWII, entire continents destroyed, huge work to do to build everything all over again in the following years, the USA wins and has and can spend a lot of money for defense and space projects and so forth (now the USA seems almost broke and with a crazy health care system and such) the Marshall Plan in Europe, only a few countries were industrialized JAPAN and Germany starting all over again and so forth etc.;

3) You can't compare any possible future growth with what the 20th century offered, technology levels that still corresponded to job levels, to the creation of jobs, less automation, entire new industries and such being born like cars, jets, computers etc.;

4) A strong "physical" limit to how much you can grow, only so many cars can be built (and used and parked in puny Europe or JAPAN and such), only so many homes, especially in the old, static and saturated west and such, countries that are decaying naturally, saturated with goods and such, and now younger countries like China and Indonesia can produce and consume a lot more, grabbing market share from the US, EU and JAPAN and such.

And many other reasons the USA, EU and JAPAN can't grow much economically anymore, including high home prices, the amount of anger and negative judgements firing people is always greater than the positive judgments hiring people and so forth. Everyone wanting to punish everyone else and so forth, the idea of government spending to create growth is completely out of style, now the economists expect the invisible hand of the market to hire people, good luck with that, but people are not needed anymore, work is no longer needed in a technological society and so forth and so on, many reasons, a never ending list of reasons.

But the entire model of a society always growing is flawed from the outset, our civilization and society is just a very short story and quirk, there will be thousands of new histories and new events that will occur in the future, all kinds of civilizations, some with huge growth cycles, some with huge poverty cycles, some with all kinds of wars and insanity and so forth, a never ending cycle of incredible events, combinations, civilizations doing all kinds of things, Matter exploring (and exploding itself ?) all of its possible combinations through Observers interacting and creating all kinds of worlds and such.

The possible cylces of creation destruction, growth and depression in a 10 million years could be 30,000 (times 300 years of each period, since from 1700 to 2000 we had huge growth and change and such), wars and population decreases and then increases, a never ending stream of new histories, from super growth periods saturating the earth and solar system with cars, marble cars, rockets, buildings and population, to long periods of total nuclear destruction and war, to long periods of stone age ape like societies (like the planet of the apes, all past forgotten and ready to be discovered and invented again, and many cycles of such forward, backward and so forth) all kinds of global warming, environmental modifications and destructions and cycles and ice ages and pollutions and who knows who and you invent it, imagine it, it is all possible, and all kinds of technologies all kinds of possible combinations of forces, population levels, from thousands of trillions on earth to only a few hundred and then all over again and so forth, from trillions of crazy modified brain hybrids roaming the earth like crazy zombies and crazy horses, all kinds of genetical experiments went wrong and such, all kinds of chip brain combinations gone wrong or right, all kinds of solid state civilizations and then decaying again, falling apart, going back and forth between stone ages and ape like societies to super future modifed instant singularities travelling inside incredible new universes and such, a never ending stream of crazy history and such, and all kinds of wild animals, wild modified animals, genetically modified animals with chips in their brains, trillions of mad scientists trying out all kinds of insanities, and so forth; and we will have eras of trillions of bridges across oceans and skyscrapers on the sun, and then giant ocean liners and giant jet planes roaming the earth and then trillions of skyscrapers, and thousands of trillions of cars, and then rockets and venus completely changed by wild and crazy animals that came out of wild and crazy experiments with chips and genetics and technological singularities and super computers and a never ending stream of futuristic technologies all being present at the same time and so forth.

The point is our history is only a few hundred years old, what the heck even our civilization is maybe only 20,000 years old: that is nothing compared to the billions of years ahead of us of possible new histories and evolutions and patterns and civilizations, imagine all the possible combinations and stories and histories and interactions and forces and how many different ways things can play out and so forth. And then history may last trillions of years and full of virtual realities and maybe we will live inside chips creating virtual realities with one second being equal to a trillion years of history and so forth.

And then after all, it may simply be just a close system talking to itself and evolving itself and self manipulation itself in a closed box, imagine millions of small balls containing millions of worlds and universes and observers and so forth, all closed loop civilizations that have become independent from external forces and so on...


So Neil Young got the timing wrong when he sang

"Look at mother nature on the run in the 1970",

he should have sung:

"Look at mother nature on the run in the 100 million"


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His Nibs " Of course there is plenty of real work to do around the USA in transitioning to the next phase of history, ..."

The "next phase"? It is most likely a grinding down following the current template and not a calamitous collapse. Calamitous collapse dis-favors the powers that be, and if there is one thing we should have all learned since "the crises" and the perpetual GWOT is that the powers that be will protect their interests at all costs.

"What a tragic conceit for the nation of dunces we have actually made of ourselves." I agree. It doesn't help that a very intelligent writer waxes poetically about a wishful future instead of reading and predicting from the evidence --past and present.

The oil hydrocarbon infrastructure will maintain and grind down slowly like the other assets. The center of mass deliveries over thousands of miles will also hold for the same reasons given above. I enjoy gardening but if I had to make a living out of it god help us all. It just ain't a realistic scenario. This will be the last country tolerating the collapse of the hydrocarbon delivery system.

Truthfully Jim your biases show thru here. About this rail you keep talking about, no one wants the consequences of it. You see, this rail runs from crap area to nice area, and those in the nice areas do not want the residents from the crap area, they want no contact with them, hell they probably do not even watch the local news anymore they want so little contact with prole-America. View worldstarhiphop.com for your new ridership.

And to all the anti-whties here save your vitriol you losers.

There are some encouraging signs that the younger generation is increasingly less mesmerized by "Happy Motoring". A few weeks I took my daughter on a "Welcome Day" to Northeastern University in Boston on Amtrak of course. The Amtrak train was packed with mostly young people either college age or in their 20's. Perhaps it is out of necessity as increasing numbers of young people can no longer afford cars. But then there was a very intelligent 23 year old MIT engineering graduate who told me he worked in the Oil Services industry as I gave my usual spiel about Peak Oil. Although he was initially skeptical as apparently many in the oil patch get spun the same fantasies about the Shale Oil boom (especially when it pays your check!) but
he acknowledged that he expected to be among the last engineers to have a career tweaking out more oil as it runs out. He was also totally supportive of Green Transit and would ride his bike to work in New Jersey except he would be taking his life in his hands. He pointed out that a cigarette pack of gasoline would run my computer for 20 years!


Every single student who sang the praises of Northeastern University in downtown Boston mentioned the big advantage "You don't even need a car!" As did several Faculty/Staff speakers.
As a car costs an average of $9300 according to the AAA (Auto Addiction uber Alles) that is quite a lot of money to save!


Change is coming although as gasoline prices rise to their highest prices ever for this time of year we find the usual bewilderment and explanation that the economy is doing fine even if the price of gasoline is once again inexplicably rising....


Teabag Gov Christie in New Jersey, more densely populated than China blessed with over 1,000 miles of preserved Rail, just borrowed another $1.4 Billion to widen a few miles of the NJ Turnpike from 6 lanes to 12 as we still await the recovery of Rail service after he allowed our trains to get flooded.

In preparation, I have been consuming every episode of Duck Dynasty, Rednecks will survive, and have a grand time while doing so.

Just like cars with fins define another era in American history, the defining attribute of the first decade of the 21st century will be the omnipresence of people looking down. Looking down at their little toys. Squinting at them, tapping them, obsessing over them - and generally being oblivious to their surroundings.

Jim, you might want to do a piece on the relative success of the apocylaptic NBC TV show "Revolution," and why they had to have a plot in which the whole world's electric system goes down due to some stupid magical pendant, and why the creators of that series could have used a REAL plotline on how the world changes dramatically because of peak oil, which is a REAL threat that would have led to a REAL TV show that might REALLY scare the hell out of the population.

"Revolution" returns with new shows March 25th.

Maybe that is why the show has become so popular. Oh, and Jim forgot to mention the Daytona 500

So what I've been wondering about is the world of paid work. As fewer and fewer professional jobs seem to be available to be filled by all the new college grads, let alone the middle-aged and older who have lost their jobs, just what are people supposed to be doing to earn a living? I've done farm-work and believe me, it's not something to idealize or romantacize in any way. It's hard dirty labor and it pays poorly. I'm not talking about gardening, but rather laboring in the fields day after day for lousy pay and no benefits. Realistically this is not work that will be performed by those who are older or in poor physical condition.

I also don't get Jim why you keep proclaiming that commercial ag is gonna stop virtually overnight and the trucks stop rolling. Why would you see this happening? What would cause this? Gas prices aren't going to skyrocket that fast and not overnight. And given that people need to eat, the stores will just increase the prices charged to make up for transportation costs. It's the lack of people who can afford to buy the food that seems to me to be more a problem. So an even greater reliance on food shelves and that sort of thing while many have less to give these organizations; desperation for food, shoplifting of food, etc seems likely.

So what do you see as work that has a future? Something besides heavy physical labor? I don't see everyone making their living developing apps for smartphones and moving pixels around on the screen although that does seem to be the emphasis today. But what else besides farming?

It is hard to believe that anyone buys your books or supports your blogs in any form when you have such a superior attitude. Crap like "two-bit congressmen from states where people don't eat with knives and forks" shows your true colors, or rather lack thereof. You're a pasty curmudgeon with blinders and a vision of how things should have been that no longer can be or will be. Do us all a favor, shrivel up and go away. If there was industry recognition for ignorant commentary you would earn a lifetime achievement award. One thing you have going for you, no matter how stupid you look you will hammer that railroad thing till the day you die. Two words that are painful to say are so apropos ... "Gifted Fool" ...

I love your use of language, but lapses in logic are difficult to overlook.I THINK THAT TPTB ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT DO.Perhaps --CRASH THE SYSTEM, AND REBOOT WITH THEM IN CONTROL.Simple is often the best answer.

In another week I'll start phase 2 of my apple tree propagation project - grafting some scion wood onto the rootstocks I planted last year. The scion wood is going to come from some apple trees my grandfather planted when I was very young. The property has since gone out of the family, but I want to preserve part of his legacy and also fortify myself against uncertain times. He would have been 16 when the market crashed in '29 so I think if he was still alive he would be proud to see what I'm doing. At least one small thread from the agricultural past of my family made it through the age of oil. I'll be curious to see what else grows in the future.

My daughter is a freshman at a major in-town university. She walks to classes or rides the bus. She neither needs nor wants a driver's license. Young people seem to be shying away from the car culture; they see the writing on the walls.

Right out of the blue, the other day she said to me, "daddy, I think smart phones are the cigarettes of my generation." She went on to elaborate. I'll not do so here, but let you fill in the blanks.

From out of the mouths of babes...

I completely agree with you, and share your strategy for living meaningfully.

We find our car-free life since June 2011--reaching most destinations by foot or transit, is a major contributor to peace of mind, and physical health.

some of you might like to know about the existence of this old railroad museum, in Connecticut:
http://www.cteastrrmuseum.org/

One of my great great grandfathers, and also his son, my great grandfather, was/were employed for many years by the old New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad. As I get older, I wish more and more that I knew more about their lives, and the role that they played in the local economy.

"We need more people to start working at local farming."

"Farm theme boosts enrollment in rural Kansas school" (Reuters) - The first clue is a sign "Fresh Eggs for Sale" in front of the school. There is a sheep pen on the baseball field and the sounds of farm animals greet pupils every morning.

This is not your ordinary elementary school. It is the Walton Rural Life Center, a kindergarten-through-fourth grade charter school in rural Kansas that uses agriculture to teach students about math, science, economics - and responsibility.

I wish George Carlin was alive and had a weekly blog.


My nominee for Best Kunstler Sentence of the Year (So Far):

"by chauffeured limousines, even two-bit congressmen from states where people don't eat with knives and forks."

That would sum up ALL America quite accurately.

Kunstler, how about those NASCAR dimwits this weekend? I liked the part where the crash debris went into the stands looking for a victim...

Too Bad it missed. A wasted opportunity. Never let a tragedy go to waste...

Looking for your NASCAR update next week.Lots of corn pone to report on. Until then, lets Pray Darwin punches in for overtime.

PS: don't forget Honorable Mention of Aunt Esther at the Oscars....

Yes, smart phones will cause brain cancer in epidemic proportions.

EMFs

Re House Of Cards I'm glad you brought this series to my attention, I believe it's a remake of the original BBC 1990 series which was a true tour de force in television. It would be well worth any US viewer to watch the original and the antics of the hard right wing prime minister "Francis Urquhart" or FU to his colleagues(modelled on Margaret Thatcher).
This series was later followed up by "To Play the King" featuring the same cast and covered the decline and fall of FU.

"We need more people to work at local farming."

A necessary first step to making that happen is to get out of the way of people already farming and gardening. One thing people like all of us here who might agree with our host can do right now is find out who sits on city councils, zoning commissions or other relevant public bodies and make our desire known that there be no interference with or unnecessary restrictions on farms or gardens.

I went to city hall and looked up the relevent statutes in my city: I was pleasently surprised to find that while farm animals are prohibited within city limits, there are no restrictions on what people can plant in their yards. I have no problem with that. I am happy to leave milk, meat, cheese and dairy production to the many organic farmers who live nearby. By growing most of my own veges, I can afford to buy local and organic for other foods.

One reason behind the failure of the political left is its arrogant disdain for local issues and local politics. Lefties in my, and probably your, communities can tell you every detail of every atrocity perpetrated over the last three decades on the five inhabited continents but have no idea how govt. works or who makes decisions where they live.

Regarding passenger rail, the single greatest impediment is the fact that railroads are "private enterprise". Even if government had the wherewithal to invest in passenger rail, the owners can simply refuse to allow it.

In upstate NY, CSX has stymied New York from making improvements for years. They now have gotten extortionate rents from the state to lease the Albany-Renssalaer to Poughkeepsie track so the state can make FINALLY improvements. They held up double-tracking the Renssalaer-Schenectady bottleneck. They have flatly refused to add 10 miles of a third track near Batavia. And so it goes.

Union Pacific wanted A BILLION F-ING DOLLARS to increase the frequency of the LA to San Antonio Sunset route from 3 to 7 days per week for "capital improvements". BNSF wants the same for the northern tier.

Ultimately you can't run decent passenger service on freight railroads where 50MPH, 2 mile long, 12,000 ton freight trains loaded coal, oil, ethanol, corn and containers for Walmart are the norm. You need separate tracks.

Here in upstate NY (and in PA) there used to be 4 track mainlines -- 2 for freight, 2 for passenger. All that is ripped up.

The only way to solve this problem is to either nationalize the railroads or use eminent domain. What do you think the chances of that happening are???

Obama is a liar when it comes to passenger rail. He knows the republicrats in Con-gress won't fund a real program, so he can talk all he wants about it to please his sucker-base an continue BAU for his corporate sponsors.

It ain't gonna happen with the elites.

I thought for sure Danica Patrick would have been woven into today's essay.

James,
Excellent prose this week, and right on.
What can you expect from a generation that is in deep denial. A people who, when you expose them to facts and figures, they simply shrug and say 'Hey man, we got technology!'
To explain that without oil, they got NO technology is a useless exercise in self flagellation. So we give up.

This rampant phenomena exposes the deeper core of rot, the denial and an education system that turned us away from male rationalism to female irrationality. What can you expect from a generation of dumbed down feel good robots who were given self esteem as a right of passage, but for them to play the part?

Can you not see the results? An army in waiting, an army of destruction, waiting for orders to burn and maim all that is good and decent left in us. To say that preppers are crazy, is the ultimate in crazy. Preppers need to prep, but they need to prep like no tomorrow, for tomorrow will come.

To say that we will enter a new dark age, in a world made by hand, is an accurate assessment methinks, but not for all James, not for all. There are those prepping for the continuation of knowledge and a new electric, of what is the best of us, to carry forward, and we will go forward, and we will transcend the oil culture.

"Rather it's just another demonstration of the diminishing returns of technology -- or how thinking you're so smart actually makes you stupider."

So true, while recognizing the vastness of our ignorance is the beginning of real wisdom.

"Surely we are a stupider nation politically than we were before the age of texting, drones, and high frequency trading."

I don't blame our difficulties on lack of intellect or the capacity to reason well. The problems and predicaments result more from the lack of compassion, felt connection, honesty, kindness, gentleness, generosity, humility, and a sense of humor. This all stems from a need for spiritual maturity. Humanity is going through some powerful growing pains right now.

Monutaingal, there will be a need for all kinds of people in the "world made by hand", not just farm laborers. There will always be a need for health care workers as people will always be getting sick. There will be a need for people to care for children, the elderly and the disabled. There will always be a need for people with the skills to fix things, as homes and buildings need constant maintenance. There will be a need for artists and musicians as we humans need beauty as well as bread, we need the comradery of others. Jim paints an overly bleak picture of the future, and while there will be hardship (as there always has been) I don't see a future of complete misery for everyone. Get a grip, people! Those who try to predict the future are almost always wrong. Here in Minneapolis the republicans- who absolutely hate trains- tried their darnednest to prevent mass train transit from going forward, and when they couldn't predicted light rail would be an absolute disaster. To their great disappointment, light rail transit has been an overwelming success and there are now plans in the works to build them all over place. Don't believe the doomsdayers, they're always wrong! Life will go on after fossil fuels are gone.

" I don't think this is a sign of the rumored "singularity," the point at which human and machine intelligence supposedly meld into a shimmering synthesis of silicon masturbation fantasies."

Priceless:

Please speak for yourself JDaddy as regards what would "do us all a favor." In fact, it might be helpful to look over what you are saying in your respond in order to see if you have offered any substance. In this response I found none-- only clever invective.

Speaking of people thinking they're so smart--I don't think being a smart ass counts. Don't feel too bad though as the themes and issues JHK observes are not designed to be comforting nor do they offer convenience for those who cling to conventional "wisdom."

I think I get mad at JHK's ceaseless pessimism, negativity, and cultural criticism because it reminds me of myself. Our self-help, positive-thinking culture doesn't like people like us. People keep telling me that I should be "positive" but I'd rather deal with reality. But reality is a bitch, isn't it? Two things I saw yesterday almost made me throw in the towel. One was an idiot's homemade bumper sticker made with those reflective letters that should be on a mailbox but are insted stuck to back of the SUV shouting out to anyone behind: TRULY BLESSED AND HIGHLY FAVORED!. It's bad enough that I'm an atheist, but "HIGHLY FAVORED?" How arrogant these damn prosperity gospel types can be. Then on my Google "News" feed I see a headline that reads: Jennifer Lawrence Gives Side-Boob on Red Carpet. The article went on to use the term "side-boob action." Important news. I think I'll change to Reuters. I'm surprised JHK didn't invoke NASCAR, what with that spray of shrapnel into the crowd. Whatever.

Keep the masses connected by their Feelies, I mean smart phones, and docile.

Sleepwalking into the future. Isn't that a chapter title from The Long Emergency? Americans are addicted to these doo-dads and we look like sleepwalkers as we text and walk.

Waking up when the phones go dead won't be pretty. JHK's correct; some would just as soon starve.

>just what are people supposed to be doing to earn a living?

Well......for many many people there simply will not be ANY jobs because in addition to the collapse of this oil boom economy, there will be a collapse of population. It is all very simple, albeit very sad: when there are not resources...food...energy...medicine, etc. (and there most assuredly will NOT be) to support the current population, there will be a downward 'correction' of that population to a level that CAN be supported by available resources. So you see, your question about professional, or any, jobs for all these people is rather moot. They simply will not be here any longer.


You don't really say a single word of fact. Your criticism of JHK is just a long "neener, neener, neener". You stick your tongue out and throw your verbal turds at him like an orangutan.

You should buy "Geography of Nowhere" and see why the Columbines and Newtowns come about. Kids in the USA, after school, get dumped back into these "suicide villages" with a bunch of stamped out ticky-tacky houses in sterile suburbia so that they can go inside and play on their Xboxes and PlayStations. Then they're doped up on SSRIs and their anger grows into full-blown rage.

JHK has a unique ability to conjure up images we can all relate to like people "romancing their smart phones" ... and it's EVERYBODY, not just the Congressmen he mentions. And his clincher paragraph seals the deal because we ARE a "feckless, sad-ass country". Indeed, Yahoo Finance today had an article about why the country is losing its middle class: We're losing our behavioral and performance standards and our people are losing skills.


E.

As I see it, JHK’s topic about the tragedy of social surrealism created by this reliance on smart phones (I’d include all the other social media aparati available to us, too) is exactly what’s preventing REAL conversation about how to solve problems in the western world. We’re too tethered to the instant gratification of the media we use, which ultimately defeats any intention to really sit down and focus on progressing through a meaningful problem solving process.

Compare this phenomenon of inadequate social discourses here to that of lesser developed countries, and consider their slower adoption of the same social media. What’s the difference? Here we have food and infrastructure that allows apathy; there they do not; and in between posts to social media they must still focus on the reality of their situation. Here, after reading JHK’s blog, we can waddle over to the fridge for some leftover meat loaf and wonder if the boss is gonna let us wear our favorite team jerseys to work on Friday. For them, it has actually produced the revolutionary movement of ideas, although messy and with mixed results, whereas here we can only use our smart phones to send each other data tidbits about our favorite celebrity’s red carpet nipple slips. What ends up occurring with social media in the U.S. is little more than conversational onanism, as JHK rightly described. What ends up occurring over there is a series of events that may actually trigger the next big war; albeit, a war actually incited by the puppet masters who pissed them off in the first place.

I recently reacquired broadband service at my home; I signed up for a free month’s trial of Netflix, too, and I watched all 13 episodes of House of Cards. I immediately noticed the use of smart phones in this drama as having the tactical effect of moving the shows narrative swiftly and devastatingly along. It was ugly, but their use of the phones had immediate consequence for the narrative. I thought to myself, “do media have the same effect on our real life cultural narratives in the U.S.?” I can’t answer that for myself convincingly. I welcome opinions.

As the show unfolded, the use of the smartphone both enabled the building of the house while also signaling its inevitable decline. At some point the inability of the governor to manage every planted tweet and sexy journalist at his disposal will seal his fate in the drama, but is that true of our real life political situation? There’s now enough information floating about the ether pertaining to the wholesale corruption of our system available to citizens, but where is the revolt? Where is Tahrir square in America?

The show’s title is an apt metaphor for not only the rancid lying and manipulation employed by Mr. Spacey’s deviously brilliant character but also the mechanisms of communication we use to tell stories about the world we live in. This is to say that the foundation of techno-narcissism on which our culture is built has created this positive feedback loop for surreality that, different to other places in the world, I think will have the effect of defeating any revolution of ideas before it even gets started here at home. In other words, it seems we live in a house of cards that won't ever collapse, not because it actually won't fail, but because we have become to stupid to notice. It’s ironic, no?

Yes, people with can-do attitudes and manual skills will do better than corporate team players.

You know who I think has the easiest job in this country? Jay Leno, Jimmy Fallon and David Letterman. They don't have to do a thing except stand up there and be a wise ass five nights a week. They don't have to pass legislation, run for congress, deal with congress, or have everything they ever said or did undergo public inspection. They don't have to under go the Tim Russert anal probe, "Well Senator Fussmucker, back in 1998 you said that Israel has too much control over foreign policy, and now you want to be Postmaster General?"

What do they do, pick on Sarah Pallin, pick on Sarah Pallin's kids, and make fun of Chris Christie's weight. I've always found Letterman to be particularly disgusting, like a high school bully, except that high school eventually ends.

They don't have to do what JHK does regularly, which is say what he would do.

One time Jim said that one of the problems with modern artists and writers is the only thing they're really good at is being ironic, to which I would add, being a smart alec.

Bravo James, another piece designed to uplift the agrarian yeoman while simultaneously denigrating him.

As a sustenance farmer in one of the least hospitable (to NAMS, that is) regions in the country, I can assure you that our knife and fork skills are on par with the best of this nations fast food behind the wheel of their SUV eating twats. Of course that's because we prepare all of our own meals- which incidentally we provender from our acreage- every single day.

Our farm is 100% energy independent (and I disagree vehemently with your poo-pooing of solar power because it affords us free heat, hot water and electricity every single day of the year) and provides us with over 90% of all of our foodstuffs, excluding coffee, citrus, olive oil and a few other sundry treats we often barter for with the closest University co-op for our surplus maple syrup, beef, pork, lamb and poultry.

The vast majority of the folks we interact with resemble the ones you denigrate weekly and the truth is they are the ones who are going to make it through the upcoming Troubles with less disruption to their lives than the circles you seem to travel in.

And as bad as I may feel for those poor dupes who find themselves in bondage for worthless degrees, laboring away like slaves behind computer screens, the fact remains that I would rather spend 12 hours weeding the garden than to spend five minutes sitting in a cubicle.

Sounds rather fatalistic to me. Yes, I'd say our population levels are not sustainable, but such massive short-term corrections would only come about thru war, mass starvation, disease or other means. This isn't something to advocate. I tend to find that those who are rather blase about "population corrections" of this sort might not feel so ok about it effecting them and their loved ones. So what I'm getting at is to have more of a conversation beyond just our future as farm labor. I have no doubt that population growth will cease; the latest recession has actually had some effect on this already. But I'd rather not advocate for or contemplate mass die-off. I'd rather work for a more pleasant future however different it may be from today.

While, even now, we rarely travel farther than 10 miles from our apartment in Chicago's far Northside, we're no more enlightened than SUV-driving, casual-chain-dining boobs in the sea of sprawl that's eaten up almost all of the farmland that used to surround this metropolis. Sure, my wife and I either take our 18 month old daughter to daycare in a walking stroller or bike trailer. And we don't own a car, driving a shared vehicle maybe once a month, usually to the grocery store. But, we're very dependent on reliable transit and those grocery stores. Even "local" produce which we buy exclusively in season is from at least 50 miles away. When it comes down, we're all fucked. I've been trying to plant the idea in my wife's head that we should move to a place - smaller, older, walkable/bikeable, better connected to local food sources - before it's too late.

Yes, House of Cards is an apt title for that show. Another aptly named one you'll find on Netflix streaming is Lost. I don't watch mainstream television except for an occasional movie. I wait for it to come out on Netflix. By that time, it's been critically vetted, and you avoid the obnoxious and inane commercials.

Lost had many interpretations, but one valid one, imo, was that this cast of characters were all dead men walking, but lacked the capacity to see that, so they underwent a process of working through it and ultimately coming to terms with their mortality before moving on. Not purgatory, but a transition from their previous lives.

79iron for chris'sakes start your own blog,- blo- blo-blog!!

My opinion: This country continues to allow balance sheet fraud in business and government, while refusing to integrate an effective system of ecological economics into business and government.
Michael Hudson, William K. Black, Steve Keen, Herman Daly, Joseph Tainter and many others have described well system failings. Given the complexity of our systems, it seems foolhardy to expect much calendar accuracy for system meltdown onsets. It does seem unrealistic to expect success in economic policies when provably false free market fundamentalism theory remains influential.
Here are two quotes I find worthy:
1) "This illustrates an important truth, namely, that the worse your logic, the more interesting the consequences to which it gives rise."-Bertrand Russell
2) "... to suppose that there exists some smoothly functioning automatic mechanism of adjustment which preserves equilibrium if we only trust to methods of laissez-faire is a doctrinaire delusion which disregards the lessons of historical experience without having behind it the support of sound theory."-John Maynard Keynes
Apologies for the the wordiness. Good day!

You sez:
"...the foundation of techno-narcissism on which our culture is built has created this positive feedback loop for surreality that, different to other places in the world, I think will have the effect of defeating any revolution of ideas before it even gets started here at home. In other words, it seems we live in a house of cards that won't ever collapse, not because it actually won't fail, but because we have become to stupid to notice. It’s ironic, no?"

Yep, a tragic and leaden irony at that.
My perpetually suspicious nature leads me to wonder if this limited-attention-span, self-referencing surrealism has been purposefully "installed", or if the providers simply found that it "sold well". (Perhaps I'm way off, and it's more of a mixture of both, plus an unhealthy dose glorification of reactive stupidity... a commercialization of what is perceived as hip and subversive.)

Aside from those particular musings and back to the point of the proceedings, conversations are impossible to hold with those that refuse to leave their self-referential prison. This is immensely beneficial to BAU and an entrenched lobbyist-politician-Treasury dynamic. Unable to absorb or make comparative and helpful judgements of others' ideas (via the traditional: "let me bounce this off you and see what you think"), innovation and looming realities get kicked to the curb.

Necessity is the mother of invention... or at least a cousin of RE-invention. (As long as one isn't too busy shoring up ones' importance and self-esteem with a constant stream of twitters and face-plantings.)
The internet was set up to cross-reference and EXCHANGE IDEAS. We wonder what percentage of bandwidth is being used for that. (Personally, I run across at least a couple things every day that reduce my mountainous ignorance by a grain or two. Your posts, as an example, point to things worth looking into, IMHO.)


Many of you will remember when, in mid-2008, crude oil futures climbed above $147 a barrel. There was great crying and gnashing of teeth on CFN that oil would soon hit $200 and society would collapse. The long-awaited SHTF would finally be here. I called bullshit. I was then criticized as a "cornucopian" out of touch with reality. Crunch time was here! The end was near! I called bullshit again. Rinse and repeat endlessly.
So, now it's over four years later. Today New York’s main contract for light sweet crude for delivery in January is $98.11 a barrel.
So not only did you CFN doomers get it wrong about oil going up to $200 a barrel. You got the direction wrong. Oil prices went down, not up.
I am claiming bragging rights here on CFN. You cannot even say "but the trend is up" because you got the trend line completely wrong. It went down.

I make substantive posts. I repeatedly illustrate Kunstler's penchant to forecast the worst, even though his predictions always fail.

You guys are hurling all kinds of things at me, about me, about my posts, impersonating me, cutting and pasting my posts, calling me names.
I think JHK allows freedom on this blog because it illustrates how a clusterfuck happens. Each week the content of my comments is ignored. Each week it devolves into ad hominem attack.
It's enough to make me suspect there may be some racists here who are reacting to something other than content. Yes, I just "played the race card."
How else to explain the CFN penchant of attacking me every week while ignoring the substance of my arguments?

The handle may change, but Truth is eternal.

Allahu Akbar! (الله أكبر)

Assalaamu alaikum!

House of cards? Really? Okay ill catch a few mins.

You're right. It will be those NASCAR tatoo'd inbred rednecks like Duck Dynasty & Swamp People as well as some of the Preppers and of course the Amish and similar groups who will make it in TWBH. Laugh as some might at these seemingly backwood people,they will be there when the rich bastards run out of chips. As you watch any of these shows, the common theme always seems to revolve around their sense of Family,Faith and Community. Not to mention that no matter how much money they pull in they still prefer to fix what's broke themselves.

Self reliance is what helped build our country from the begining to about the late 70's. Then it seemed to fall by the way side as the elite forces of political correctness stole the soap box and spent the time to put them down for being so simple. This will change back somewhere in the future.

It will be small communities that "Cling to God and their guns." As well as their sense of working together that will do well.

Be Prepared !

...Now, before anyone gets too squirrely, I don't decry the entertainment value that the intertubes provide. I still find the variety and availability very close to the realm of "magical", even though we have some of the slowest speeds in the known world. (Oh baby-Jeepers, here comes Corporate Mickey; striding forth from the Magic Kingdom to rule da woild!!!)

Where is Tahrir square in America?

Maybe our Tahir Square is diffused among the lower economic stratum of people that commit violent crimes to get money, mostly for drugs. Our hyper-individualism clouds their vision of the "bigger" picture. What is it, 5% of the world's population but 25% of the world's prison population? I don't think we could call the anemic Occupy Movement a Tahir Square, let alone a "movement." I hate to report that, quite contrary to preparing for economic trouble, the housing bubble here in Atlanta is beginning again, not only with new clearing of forested land well outside the city, "they" are again tearing down perfectly good small homes to build these ghastly McMansions with TWO big heating cooling compressor units on the concrete pad on the side of the house that has NO WINDOWS. Why people aspire to that kind of living arrangement boggles my mind. And in a nearby, historic satellite town of Decatur, a town that used to have an ethos of historic preservation, owners of National Register-listed homes are up in arms about preservation restrictions that suggest they don't tear it down or add a second story; death threats to the few historic preservationist in the community (and isn't that last word becoming a sham).

Technology is partly to blame for the current predicament. Instead of freeing us up to think, it's done the exact opposite. It's accelerated the pace of life and made multitasking the norm. We didn't evolve to multitask. We don't do it well, and we shouldn't want to do it well, but it's the expectation these days. Shit gets screwed up when you multitask. Haste makes waste. Impulsivity rules the day with this hectic pace. Introspection, reflection and retrospection have become archaic notions. Michael Corleone in the Devil's Advocate had this to say about it:

These people, it's no mystery where they come from. You sharpen the human appetite to the point where it could split atoms with its desire, you build egos the size of cathedrals, fiber-optically connect the world to every-eager-impulse, grease even the dullest dreams with these dollar-green, gold-plated fantasies until every human becomes an aspiring emperor! Becomes his own God!

Where can you go from there? And as they’re scrambling from one deal to the next, who's got his eye on the planet? As the air thickens, the water sours, even the bees honey takes on the metallic taste of radioactivity--and it just keeps coming! And it just keeps coming! Faster and faster! There's no chance to think, to prepare, it's “buy futures, sell futures” when there is no future!! We've got a runaway train, boy!! We've got a billion Eddie Barzoons all jogging into the future. Every one of them ready to fist-fuck God's ex-planet, lick their fingers clean as they reach out with their pristine cybernetic keyboards to total up their billable hours!!

And then it hits home! It's a little late in the game to buy out now!! Your belly's too full, your dick is sore, your eyes are bloodshot, and you're screaming for someone to help!! But guess what? There's no one there!! You're all alone, Eddie!! You're God's special little creature! Maybe it's true. Maybe God threw the dice once too often. Maybe He let us all down.

Get out while you can. Pick a small community with good schools and get yourself a modest sized place on about 5 acres and learn how to grow enough to feed your family unit. Sell off the surplus and stay under the radar.

Wow, if that were the case, count me in with the group that would rather starve. That's the stuff of horror stories.

JHK, with that knives and fork comment aptly described Georgia, especially the mountainous region in the north of the state.

And teach your daughter's how to french kiss and have as many children by them as you can. You're going to need all those helping hands. Don't listen to those lefties about incest. Adam and Eve had to be incestual to get this whole thing started, so you'll need to be incestual to preserve it.

Quick observation. My brother in law and his wife are both Financial Wizards--she's from NYU with an MBA in "Strategy and Finance" and he's from some po-dunk college in Nebraska, also with an MBA in Finance.

She is a "VP" at Goldman (they have about nine million, I think) and he worked at Credit Suisse, but lunched regularly with none other than Bernie Madoff.

These two are the coolest people they know, just ask them. But something interesting happened whilst living high on the hog with cars to pick them up in NY each morning to take them to work on Wall Street.

Right after Bernie went to jail, my brother in law lost his job at CS. They had to leave the city, as it was "just too expensive to live there" anymore. You know, nannies and chauffered cars are pricey! (and how embarrassing that they couldn't afford $700 bottles of wine like their friends...)

So they moved to CT, where she commuted to NYC for a few months. That just wasn't to be tolerated.

They now have moved to Nebraska, just outside of Omaha. He is still unemployed (how the hell can that be? I mean, really...these guys are just the smartest people in the room! how can this BE???)---and she has her cover story that she will "do her work for Goldman from home".

What this looks like to me---is that Ms. Goldmanite knows what's coming down the pike. She has a front-row seat and is getting the fuck out of dodge.

Good advice. Just sayin'.

I don't know where you get the idea that light rail is a booming sucess in Minnepolis. Right now we have one light rail line that's 11 miles long. Goes from downtown to the Mall of American (great African-American transport).

To quote (http://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=20)

When the rail line opened in 2004, auto drivers who expected congestion relief were stunned to find that light-rail significantly increased congestion. The line parallels Hiawatha Avenue, AKA state highway 55, and crosses many of the streets that cross Hiawatha. While signals on Hiawatha had previously been coordinated to allow smooth progression of traffic, the new arrangement gave the light-rail line signal priority over autos. This disrupted the signals on Hiawatha, adding 20 to 40 minutes to people’s commutes.

“This is not a sinister plot to make traffic as miserable as possible and move everybody onto the train,” a Minnesota Department of Transportation official told the Minneapolis Star-Tribune. He was soon proven wrong. Documents uncovered by state Representative (and rail critic) Phil Krinkie soon proved him wrong. In 1999, the documents revealed, a consultant warned that giving light-rail signal priority would severely disrupt traffic. Yet the state decided to give the trains priority because, said a state planner, “transit had to have an advantage” over autos. After studying the problem for months, the state finally concluded that the traffic would have to stay disrupted because they did not want to interfere with their precious light-rail schedules.

What I can't figure out is why shouldn't the riders pay for the operating costs? The riders now pay only 1/3 the true cost. So the rest of the money is made up of regional taxes and 'grants' from the Federal Gubmint - that we all agree is broke. When these people have to pay the real cost of a ride - see how many are on the 'train to nowhere.'

Now they will repeat this on University Ave.

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Northstar Rail - Ridership Plunges ( )

Metro Transit figures obtained by the Freedom Foundation of Minnesota (FFM) for the first month of the experimental fares indicate that monthly Northstar ridership plunged by more than eight percent , some 12,300 passengers. Northstar train ridership in August 2012 totaled 66,543 passengers compared to 78,898 passengers in August 2011. The August 2012 decline was registered across the board at all Northstar stations....

Now get this joke:

Nevertheless, transit officials blamed the ridership deficit on ticket costs and recommended slashing prices further. “Current surveys of non-Northstar Commuter Rail riders living within the Northstar Corridor shows that a prime factor in the decision to not ride the train is the current fare structure and fare set.

A ridership deficit is because of price! Just price it right and let the taxpayers subsidize the rest.

To quote Margaret Thatcher: Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money.

Nice weeks work, JHK. Thanks to you as always.

It's an amazing display of creativity that you manage to take the "collapse" theme, weave into it something topical from the "news," stitch it together with some great wordsmithery - and lay it out - Every Single Monday.

Truly amazing.
It is equally amazing that a few commenters sign in every week to denigrate and deny the Very IDEA of "collapse." Some are the resident trolls, but others seem to be new commenters. Are these folks random strangers, or are they deliberate paid shills for S&P, BOA, and BAU?
Inquiring minds want to know.

Now, don't get me wrong - I've been reading you for a long time, and have my occasional quibbles.
For example, you say:

"To be fair, American citizens can't see themselves working in the crop rows, either. They will choose to starve rather than do what they've seen Mexican migrants do for a couple of generations -- and they will starve,..."
-jhk-

Here, James, you make the all-too-American mistake of lumping all of the myriad cultures and peoples from the global South together and calling them "Mexican." If you do that to any one of them to their face, and he will straighten you out in idiomatic Spanglish, in NO uncertain terms.

Diversity is NOT always good.
And even the newly arrived "Mexican" children definitely do NOT want to work in the fields. Those children will demand NEW immigrants for that; and this will go on and on forever - until it can't.

The implications of that, beat many other gloom and doom prognostications - hands down!

To make a positive suggestion -

Tucked away in the backs of the thousands of acres of "new" subdivisions in North America that are now growing up in weeds and old tires - there have to be some nice 2 acre lots with springs and creeks.
Places where a man could live free and happy, even raise a family, even have a wireless connection.
http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/saving-money-live-life/
"I live in a 24ft prowler travel trailer, no I don’t have a mortgage Wink Little bit of solar, rain water, small wood stove, propane and a well. No utilities. I grow everything that I can grow myself...." -article-

He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

If we weren't such a stupid people in thrall to our "smart" phones, we'd be rebuilding the US passenger railroad system for the day, not far off, when the grand entitlement of Happy Motoring rather suddenly vaporizes for a significant chunk of the population.

Ironically, many of the "Happy Motorists" might find themselves even happier not having to negotiate traffic, funnel cash into a car payment, car insurance, gas, repairs...and who knows, maybe open a good book while sitting on a train to work.

"Engineer won't you let your whistle moan!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt-ruDNndvI

When is diversity good? Never if you are talking about ethnicity. Diversity is weakness.

If you are talking about diversity of ideas, that's another story. But that kind of freedom comes from ethinic homogeneity. The more ethnic diversity, the less intellectual diversity - which is exactly what the Leftists want.

Teabag is a slur used by useless liberal eaters. And He's not Tea Party either, but a Liberal Republican.

It took me a long time to figure out where in the spectrum of peak oil believers I fit. I'm not a cornucopian, but if we can avoid being blown to bits, I think it'll be okay after all...


http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/For-40-Years-This-Russian-Family-Was-Cut-Off-From-Human-Contact-Unaware-of-World-War-II-188843001.html#ixzz2JKca7yGi

Another moment of pride for British culture to see House of Cards being remade as a glitzy American version and even more pride to know that it's significant enough for Kunstler to make reference to it. Thanks for another quality blog post.

And may you find yourself alone at 2:00 am in Chigcago's South Side on a hot summer night where you will meet your dark side in the flesh.

As far as I'm concerned, whenever people on the left use the term "teabagger" or people on the right use the term "libtard" they have automatically shown that however low the intelligence level of their target, it is nevertheless higher than their own.

I agree there will be a need for all kinds of people in the "world made by hand". I also think that the way we define the concept of "JOBS" may undergo some changes.

Not one of the seven denizens of Gilligan's Island had a paying job; what they had was various roles in that peculiar miniature society of modernites suddenly confronted with the challenges of daily survival sans external resource inputs. Clearly, the most indispensible member of the tribe was the Professor, whose vast knowledge base consistently saved the group from one disaster or another by providing the theoretical basis for cobbled-together solutions to the various absurd problems they encountered. He no longer had a professional job, but he did have a critically important role.

A tribe of pre-industrial natives would have had their own solutions, some arguably more elegant; but then, the nature of their problems would have been somewhat different to begin with. We are not prepared to accept many of those solutions. A de-modernization of our populace is not an option. You just can't get there from here. Once you've experienced the convenience of wheeled conveyance, for example, walking as a mode of travel is drudgery if it is forced by necessity rather than elected by choice (say for pleasure or exercise) -- and that's to say nothing of moving heavy objects by carrying them on packs or dragging them on sleds. Yet people in the distant past surely accepted such activities as normal aspects of daily life as easily as we accept certain realities of our world; traffic jams, navigating fiendishly complex automated "customer service" labyrinths, whatever.

The absurdity of Gilligan's Island arose out of the characters' contorted attempts to force their primitive surroundings to fit their notions about the proper way for humans to live -- and, if one accepts Jared Diamond's premise in his book, "Collapse" -- a similar rigidity in thinking contributed significantly to the failure of the Norse Greenland colonies.

You can go camping, and sit by the fire trying to imagine what problems you'd be encountering if you were in a real-life wilderness survival situation and how you would solve them. But you wouldn't be exploring any actual wilderness; what you'd be exploring is yourself. That seems to be a lot of what goes on around here. We are collectively exploring ourselves, trying to gauge how well we might hold up if faced with the prospect of getting by without many of the conveniences to which we have become accustomed. A step up from watching Gilligan's Island, but maybe not by all that much. It's hard to plan to BE a certain way if this or that should happen. The whole thing with getting lost in the woods is that when it actually happens, it's hard to remember all the stuff you told yourself about what you'd do if it did.

The number of variables makes it hard to predict the exact nature of the socio-political/economic wilderness we expect to be exploring. There might be a lot we could do if we knew precisely what we'd be dealing with, and were in universal agreement on how best to respond. But here's the thing: we don't, and we're not (and never will or will be).

"Clusterfuck". Very apt choice of words there.

driften:

I think mankind will almost certainly have a bright future.

However, I believe the odds are high that there will be a "dark age" in the post fossil fuel era that begins a few decades from now.

The future golden ages will be characterized by a far lower human population, some new technology, and probably also in some cases the reversion back to more primtive ways of doing things in cases where no substitute for fossil fuels can be found.

If I am reading your comment correctly, you would prefer to starve rather than live in a small community and do a reasonable job of trying to take care of yourself. It's pretty funny how most Americans think that living a simple life and getting your hands dirty occasionally is "the stuff of horror stories". Doesn't bode well for the future.

Hey "Jump Daddy"-

If you are so disgusted by this blog, than why are you here?

Your post reminded me of a letter I sent to SF Chronicle which they published last fall:
And leave the driving to them
I have begun to notice that there is an interest in having vehicles that will do the driving for you ("Robotic vehicles get the go-ahead," Sept. 26). You simply decide where you want to go, and the robotized vehicle will take you there, hopefully safe and sound.
Well, this is going to surprise everyone, but there already are vehicles that do that, and not only that. They also do not require you to repair, maintain, insure, clean or purchase fuel for them. So, where can I get one on these fabulous vehicles, you ask, and what is it called?
Public transportation. Such a brilliant idea, so cooperative, collaborative, economical and so, so civilized. Is it not the perfect time to celebrate and expand its use?
Ron Greenstein, El Cerrito

Asoka,

By honing in on JHK's 'doomsday predictions'are you not missing JHK's larger vision/purpose? That being a more harmonious, integrated (oh I know, probably shouldn't use that word because the compulsive obsessive racist creeps will misconstrue the meaning in this context)society devoid of the divisive commercialism that has left the soul and spirit of society in a state of catatonic stupor?

I find your defense of the status quo rather curious?

And isn't JHK's vision of society actually a optimistic, positive one?

No, you're not reading me correctly. That's not surprising. If the only option was to live in a "community" of trailer-trash nascar fans, I'd rather die. Sometimes, survival just isn't worth it. Let them have the four-hundred plus Fukushimas.

This is an honest and accurate assessment of our current predicament.

"To be fair, American citizens can't see themselves working in the crop rows, either. They will choose to starve rather than do what they've seen Mexican migrants do for a couple of generations -- and they will starve,..."
-jhk-

Diversity is NOT always good.
And even the newly arrived "Mexican" children definitely do NOT want to work in the fields. Those children will demand NEW immigrants for that; and this will go on and on forever - until it can't. ---P4C

What you describe is potentially the initial reaction to the circumstances that call for we the people to change our duties and roles. The thing is--the mind is tricky thing and it will convince you that this reaction will simply persist, but it is ignoring our great capacity to adjust and adapt to adverse circumstances. Some folks in some places will adapt quickly while others will take longer find the blessings and fulfillment that comes from doing what is necessary.

If the only issue confronting society was a decline in fossil fuels, than I would agree with your sanguine estimate, but you fail to consider the devastating effects of rapid climate change, which will result in the near term extinction of mankind, and the sooner the better.

It will be said mankind was endowed with great intellectual potential, but the species failed due to a complete paucity of wisdom and long-term thinking. Look around you. The Earth's life support system is on the precipice of collapse and the signs are everywhere- White nose Syndrome, Chytrid, and Colony Collapse Disorder as examples.

You have to think clearly to write thoughtfully. But then again - this is CF Nation.....

James, please comment at my bud4 address.....

Of course there is plenty of real work to do around the USA in transitioning to the next phase of history, but we're not interested because it might violate our narrow comfort zone. We need more people to start working at local farming
Of course we need "people" to think really clearly as well.

If we had any "really clear" thinking among us - we would manage local governments that promote intelligent land management. In my back yard of metro Saint Louis Missouri - tens of thousands of acres of prime farm land have been turned into trucking terminal, Strip malls and refuse dumps.

Any "people" wanting to farm are forced far away from the metro area. They have to no way of succeeding - so we recreate ridiculous "farmer's markets" - where they drive their produce in from one hundred miles out. Good job folks!!! Now it is a federal case........ http://www.nrcs.usda.gov/wps/portal/nrcs/main/national/programs/easements/farmranch/


If we weren't such a stupid people in thrall to our "smart" phones, we'd be rebuilding the US passenger railroad system for the day, not far off, when the grand entitlement of Happy Motoring rather suddenly vaporizes for a significant chunk of the population.

No - wrong again JK. First you save "Happy Motoring" - mostly by forcing long haul trucking off the Interstates..... What is really needed is a national rail system that one-ups the Interstate trucking Industry.

What we really needy is a national rail freight system that can get a car load of goods just about anywhere at 80mph. And do it cheaper than any over-the-road freight company can do it.

After you restore interstate freight to its rightful industry - then the funds and base infrastructure will support possible passenger service improvement. Meanwhile, long-haul trucking and Interstate Highway funding goes away.

No real fed efforts on this - just current corrupted processes - as you already know......

"The absurdity of Gilligan's Island arose out of the characters' contorted attempts to force their primitive surroundings to fit their notions about the proper way for humans to live -- and, if one accepts Jared Diamond's premise in his book, "Collapse" -- a similar rigidity in thinking contributed significantly to the failure of the Norse Greenland colonies." -LS

All I can say is, "Not so smart." What is it that made the show successful?

Thanks for an intriguing post, all 'round.

mmmmmm....for the last decade I've said - Not only do we live in a house of cards, we're not playing with a full deck!

I just don't understand how people cannot do some simple MATH and see how they are being lied to all over the place. How there just aren't going to be enough resources for everyone. ANd how all of the worlds food and energy are controlled by a few people via the commodities markets.....

"Michael Corleone in the Devil's Advocate had this to say about it"

"Devil's Advocate" - one of my favorite films, but...um...Carol, Michael Corleone is a character Al Pacino plays in "The Godfather." The character he plays in DA is John Milton.


MIB1 "What did he say?"

MIB2 "He said the the world was going to end"

MIB1 "Did he say when?


I know, I know, but Al Pacino will always be Michael Corleone to me regardless of the movie.

The American body politic, its discontents and lumpen proletariat are all far too preoccupied with the outcomes of two signature events you've waxed on here about previously - Nascar's Daytona 500 and the fatuous Academy Awards spectacle; "sport" and "art" reduced to their most banal levels - to be bothered with what some obscure financial weevils or policy wonks have in store for them. Boy, are they in for a rude awakening.

Oh, you've decided to be Black again? Buck is very happy. Noticed how Carol showed up just as you did. She is your anima, your dark White Female side.

A man without a job is a bum. A man looking for a job is a beggar. A man with a job is a slave. It's a descending arc of misery. Hunter Gatherers were free compared to us - at least outwardly. Our technology will justify itself when it allows us to work 15 hours a week as they did. Far Fetched? This was the promise made to us at the begining of the 20th Century at the World's Fair. But they lied: not about the possibility but about their desire to free humanity. They want freedom only for themselves.

A 21-year-old daughter of someone I know well commented that she would, "rather be dead", than live out here in the countryside without access to ubiquitous shopping and BigGulppery that's, "so far awaaaay from ANYTHING".

Well, since TPTB have absolutely no intention of changing the way the current system is rigged, we'll see about the seriousness or flippancy of that statement without too much more time passing, won't we?

(Chernobyl-esque nuke power stations might take such ponderings "off the table" anyway.)

Asoka, By honing in on JHK's 'doomsday ...... And isn't JHK's vision of society actually a optimistic, positive one? - Buck speaking to whom he assumes is Asoka
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TO BUCK AND ALL OTHER COMMENTERS

Please note that Adequatio. (to whom Buck is replying) is NOT the same Adequatio that was posting all last week. The difference is the dot following the name in this new week's thread. Of course the first Adequatio (sans dot) whom we further strongly suspect to be Asoka dot dot might have created a sock puppet but I doubt it for reasons I won't get into.

Buck, you being one of the sharper tools in the CFN shed, I'm sure you will not be annoyed and will actually be glad to have me remind you that a optimistic is incorrect and should be an optimistic.


Rhino, do you ever read what people say? - Nastarana

Yeah actually I do. And what I read was a lot of pissing and moaning about how hard life in the business world is. And how you want nothing more to do with people like me. And honestly, sometimes I too don't like people like me.

I'll let you in on a little secret. Very often people like me are totally fed up with people like you. Has that ever occurred to you?

But, you know, nobody's perfect. I'm not and you're not. You don't like the treatment you were given? Well, sometimes I wasn't happy with how I was treated. Life's a bitch.

Ask yourself this question: have you ever done something to piss someone off or hurt them? I'll bet your answer will be yes you did. And so have I. Now consider a business with of dozens or hundreds or thousands of employees and I guarantee there will be issues because people do stuff to piss off and hurt others. As Sartre said Hell is other people.

You seem to be lacking in perspective so I tried to provide a reality check as to the nature of the business world and the world in general. Here's another: the reason we band together is that we're better off together than by ourselves. As imperfect as that can be.

Here's another perspective: the plain fact is that folks like me are often pre-occupied (and by "pre-occupied" I mean shitting razor blades) with making sure that cash is coming into company coffers. Know why? For one thing, that's the point of being in business. But also so that folks like you get paid on time. The worst sin in the business world is to fuck that up. Because if you do employees disappear, news gets around and then your clients disappear. And then it's game over. I've seen it happen to others.

Did you think that money grows on trees? It doesn't. Everyone associated with a business has their hand out expecting moolah, not least employees but also suppliers and bankers and bondholders. Never mind the fancy shmancy baloney like consensus EPS estimates or earnings guidance that business news shows obsess about. You live and die by cash in the bank.

Clients are the funniest things. Even if your company has what looks like a rock solid contract with a blue chip client and where you've provided sterling service or top notch, flawless products the sonsabitches drag their feet when it comes to coughing up. Seen it a thousand times. The bigger the bastards are the slower they pay.

And so people like me, whether it's the guys with the green eyeshades or the guys who go face to face with the customer, sit together sweating over spreadsheets late at night, mapping out where the fuck the money is coming from to make payroll at month end. And interest payments. Etc.

Cry me a river you're saying. Right? Right, we all have problems. I'm not going to bore you with the litany of woes (this is just a small sample) that every exec faces every damn day. That list would go to Alpha Centauri. Troubles and pressures that you apparently do not have the foggiest idea about.

As far as me seeing a feminist rant where there in fact was none, ok fine. Maybe I was reading between the lines.

As far as me not being convincing about my blue collar roots, you can believe it or not believe it. Because frankly Scarlett...

As far as the world as we know it coming to an end IMO the smartest, toughest, most diligent, most creative will survive. And the luckiest. The rest won't. A real life Hunger Games. Do yourself a favor and don't jinx yourself by congratulating yourself about how superior you are to me or how wonderfully knowledgeable you are because you have a garden. Why? Because IMO our worst nightmares won't come close to the reality.

Why do I think so? Because recent history is very instructive as to how shitty people can be. Have you taken any courses in modern history? Ever talked to anyone who lived it? Ever look into the eyes of a Vietnam or Afghanistan vet plagued by PTSD? Did you learn anything?

Let's look at what you wrote. You say you're an older lady and you were able to retire early. What can one infer? Not that much but maybe this much: that you lived in the richest country on the planet during the greatest era of material prosperity in history. And that you personally enjoyed the benefits. And that you are relatively well fixed given your early retirement. So, like I said earlier, some perspective is warranted. You won the cosmic lottery, to the vast majority of people on this Earth you are wealthy beyond imagining.

Yet you feel hard done by. You couldn't put up with the bitchy hell of sidelong glances and cattiness in company sewing circles. I've seen that myself. Oh yeah and the bullies, you know, the loud, rude and coarse commentary from bald, sweating bosses with bad breath. Seen some of that too.

But if you consider all that pissant stuff unendurable then one might question how strong you are. Because maybe you don't know from hardship. And maybe you don't have a deep enough well of internal fortitude and strength of will to endure what's coming. I'm not saying that this is actually so because I don't really know what's coming. And I don't know you. But you don't know me either. So don't assume too much.

So tell me, do you think you're the smartest, toughest, most diligent, most creative? Do you feel lucky?

Never mind these Mad Max musings. I'm sure you'll be fine. When it all comes crashing down you'll be as right as rain.

The real scary thing about House of Cards is it might be a reality show.

[[You can go camping, and sit by the fire trying to imagine what problems you'd be encountering if you were in a real-life wilderness survival situation and how you would solve them. But you wouldn't be exploring any actual wilderness; what you'd be exploring is yourself. That seems to be a lot of what goes on around here. We are collectively exploring ourselves, trying to gauge how well we might hold up if faced with the prospect of getting by without many of the conveniences to which we have become accustomed. A step up from watching Gilligan's Island, but maybe not by all that much. It's hard to plan to BE a certain way if this or that should happen. The whole thing with getting lost in the woods is that when it actually happens, it's hard to remember all the stuff you told yourself about what you'd do if it did.]]
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Wonderful! Lesson: personal experience is where ideas are tested and new realities begin. Thanks for the seed of wisdom to help motivate me for class today!

So, you're saying this is you? Right? If so, and even if not so, if this is the "community" then I'll take a pass. I'd rather support DHS in confiscating your land then live in a village with the likes of that. Or, I'd rather starve. Anything but the hell that would be.

http://images.sodahead.com/slideshows/000017097/4016533609_hairy_nascar_fan-70346557558_xlarge.jpeg

The average American's understanding of Mexico seems to be a caricature of what Mexico was two or three generations ago. (It's very much like what one hears about the Port Authority Bus Terminal from people who haven't been on an intercity bus in a few decades.) The popular images of squalor, poverty and feckless breeding are becoming less and less representative of what is now a rapidly industrializing country with a growing middle class and plunging birthrate.

To put it a bit crudely, they aren't making Mexicans like they used to. This sort of bluntness, if a bit flip, seems appropriate given the huge effect that Mexico's demographic shift is likely to have on menial labor markets in the US. It will hit agriculture especially hard. Unfortunately, American history suggests that management will respond by importing whatever dirt-poor, completely unacculturated foreign labor force it can find to fill the gap.

I'd very much like to be proven wrong, and I occasionally see glimmers of hope for alternatives. On a train ride last winter, I was seated near a couple of native-born blacks who were on their way home to Klamath Falls from a stint working in the strawberry fields around Watsonville, CA. The pay and conditions they described sounded better than I had heard about a lot of field jobs in California, and it sounded as if they got along pretty well with the Mexicans on their crews. One of the guys said that his own pay was decent and that the reason his most experienced Mexican colleagues made so much more was that they were really good at their semiskilled work. A novice returning from his second or third stint, he regarded these guys with some awe, and definitely a lot of admiration.

At the same time, though, there are a lot of genuinely bad stories from California ag workers: seasonal nutritional deficiencies and obesity around Castroville (not far from where the guys on the train had been working), heat-induced workplace deaths in the Central Valley, illnesses brought on by prolonged chemical exposure, all sorts of repetitive stress injuries, and seasonal unemployment rates in Imperial County and parts of the San Joaquin Valley that routinely exceed 25%. That's just a partial list. Few societies treat their agricultural laborers commensurately to the huge and essential value of their labor, and the US is no exception.

Wonder who's buying most of those trucks and SUVs?
(Hint it is not women!)


Also a recent study showed women far more likely to use Green public transit...


so I think bashing women for the Teabag men in their trucks and SUVs stopping even modest improvements in the US rail network is not quite fair...


Let's see we have male Gov's Christie, Rick Scott,
Scott Walker, Bobby Jindal, John Kasich who all
refused proffered Federal money to restore part of their Rail network to some passenger service or improved passenger service. All have instead wasted more money on Auto Addiction....


Can you show female politicians with the same track record?

Indeed, and the sad fact is, they have managed to convince everyone to do it all for them, including overseeing each others incarceration. It's a brilliant strategy. Get the dolts to sell their freedom away for a buck that will soon enough be worth less than a cent.

It doesn't matter if our gubmint changes it's priorities. We are now so stupid, we can't do anything right!

Minnesota commuter rail line:

Cost of Ramsey Northstar station: $130,000 per new rider.

To quote the Star Tribune:

A new rail station that opens next Wednesday in Ramsey could give the Northstar Commuter line the ridership boost it needs for an eventual extension to St. Cloud, an Anoka County official says.

But even as a ribbon-cutting ceremony Thursday heralded the arrival of the seventh station along the line, others have questioned the cost: about $13 million, or an average of roughly $130,000 for each of the 100 new daily round-trip riders the station is expected to attract. Some also wonder whether the new station will merely siphon riders from the two stations on either side of it.

"I thought that the Ramsey station was not needed and pretty costly," Sherburne County Commissioner Felix Schmiesing, a longtime Northstar advocate, said earlier this fall. "The 200 rides per day. ... I hope they're there."

http://www.startribune.com/local/north/178027921.html?refer=y

You're just noticing his contradictions now? And the two week "interim" period where he was uncovered yet still speaking, that's all down the memory hole? You illustrate Aldous Huxley's dictum that reality is something people can only take in small doses.

But now that he just announced who he was, well he's officialy that because he said so. Until then, you just pretended he wasn't here because he wasn't official. That's very Dalesque, showing a mind adapted to Bureacracy but with zero street smarts. Though I admit surviving in a Bureacracy takes not only the capacity to double think, but a kind of street smarts of its own...

Why not? Get into them.

Unfortunately, American history suggests that management will respond by importing whatever dirt-poor, completely unacculturated foreign labor force it can find to fill the gap.

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They won't have to import it. If Mr. BioGuard gets his way, the only people left to work those factory farms will be he and his people, and you can be sure, the wages will be next to nothing, if anything at all. Perhaps the recompense will be the gift of living to work another day. Maybe indentured servitude will make a comeback, but not before stopping off at Grapes of Wrath first. Mr. BioGuard is like Rove in that way, he pines for the days of the work camp and company town.

Yes they will stop coming here when America is worse than Mexico if that is what you mean. Is that anything to be hopeful about? And as they get stronger, you think they will give up their designs on the American Southwest? If so, you don't know history. Newly industrialized Nation are often the most warlike - as our history shows clearly.

Vincente Fox campaigned in the Southwest saying he considered American Mexicans an important part of Mexico. That bodes quite ill for the future, doesn't it? And our supine acceptance of all this eggs them on, but you don't see that. As a Liberal you Amygdala isn't working properly. You don't see threat and you hate those that do.

Rather it's just another demonstration of the diminishing returns of technology -- or how thinking you're so smart actually makes you stupider. Surely we are a stupider nation politically than we were before the age of texting, drones, and high frequency trading.

Tech has allowed and encourages stay_at_home cocooning rather than slogging to the town meeting or city council meeting. More isolation equals less real time participation, develop an online identity but don't talk to your neighbor. One can develop as "smart" a time-sink as one wishes but don't confuse that with actually accomplishing something.

As much a fan as I am of your books JHK, this blog and comment forum ends up being a pretty good example of what your talking about.

I'd rather support DHS in confiscating your land then live in a village with the likes of that. Or, I'd rather starve.
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Most here, I think, would rather have you starve too.

Quiz: What is the correct word for the bolded word above.

Most here, I think, would rather have you starve too.

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Yeah, all three of you pretending to be a legion.

Wow, mighty large leap you took there.
I happen to live in the foothills of the Berkshires in W. MA. (Ooo, jeeze, near the far-too-expensive Tanglewood.) We may be Yanqui-farmer-mentality types 'round hyar, but most of us don't worship at the altar of burnt rubber and high-octane gasoline fumes. The fun is in the doing, not the watching, which includes a lot of rolling rocks around, in case you're not familiar with the terrain.
(I'm thinking you're just being prickly for the hell of it, rather than any good reason.)

JHK said, "The people attached are merely puppets of the phones."

(Applause)

Someone had to say it.

The Atari 2600 was a stupid past-time; and yet, you didn't leave the experience feeling like you'd just dipped yourself in shit. It felt novel.

The new crop of video game crap is a full brain immersion in adrenal overload. Whats right around the corner is going to blow its doors off- 3D, immersive simulations of an alternate reality, where every wild indulgence is catered to and delivered, from psychotic fantasies to erotic kink.

As Dennis Miller said, "When you can sit on the couch with a beer in one hand and fuck Claudia Schiffer, its going to make Crack look like Sanka" (Translation for Gen Y: Claudia Schiffer = Emma Watson, Crack = MDMA, Sanka = Espresso.)

Oldsmobile69 said "The possible cylces of creation destruction, growth and depression in a 10 million years could be 30,000..."

There you go again. You use the lingua franca of science but disregard ecology, which is science. Biologists pretty much stand united in the conclusion that Global warming is going to freaking destroy everything. I have no doubt "life" will go on, but slime molds won't write poetry for a billion years, at least.

"Greens" laid down in front of the Tanks so that by 1990, New York wasn't like Shanghai is today, or London was in their iteration of the great industrial capital experiment. They aren't the boogieman you think is standing in the way of progress. They stand FOR progress.

Survival? At what price? Killing ones own [female] young?
These folks eat rats!

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2012/02/behind_the_beautiful_forevers_by_katherine_boo_reviewed_.html

Jim, did you get that text I sent you?

Check your I Phone.

CD

Another problem, one that I encounter firsthand when I try to explain the vineyard and winery work I've been doing for my uncle to the haughtier useless eaters among my peers, is condescension and shaming from dipshits who don't have a clue how to feed themselves. A lot of these people seem to sincerely believe that they're providing for themselves by working in the FIRE sector. The worst example is probably the life insurance salesman whom I call Junior Bear on my blog. I have come to find it so tiring to deal with his obnoxious, self-important carrying-on about the wonderfulness of the products he sells and about his most recent commission paychecks (not infrequently double what I made in the same pay period when I was working as an environmental consultant, doing work that involved more technical expertise than his sales job will ever require) that I've basically stopped trying to stay in touch with him. After one failed attempt to get together with him this winter, I decided not to try again, even though I was on still on the East Coast, because I didn't want to hear more preening about life insurance. The last time I saw him, he told me that I should give him and his colleagues talks about how to pitch their products to farmers. At first, this proposal seemed more or less reasonable, but the more I thought about it, the sleazier it seemed. I didn't want to teach a bunch of guys who sound abrasive and completely untrustworthy how to join the existing pool of shysters who invite themselves onto farmers' property to bug them with pitches for insurance, pesticides, herbicides, antibiotics and who knows what else. They've got enough annoyance as it is from downhome sales shysters without being afflicted by a culturally alien horde of city slickers from Bala Cynwyd.

It's just not worth my time to hang out with Junior Bear and his posse of orbiters, even though they're old friends of mine. They're just too caught up in superficial yuppie conceits that make it harder, if not impossible, to observe and engage in the real work of growing food or producing real things of value.

This clique's social dynamics tie into a broader American cultural problem that I find particularly annoying: the pervasive, overpowering conformism that so often exists just beneath the surface of our glowing rhetoric about independence and individualism. It seems that the existence of such a conformism would be less annoying in a society with avowed communal tendencies, such as Japan, where the conformism has been advertised all along. Combine it with the American tendency to shamelessly butt into other people's business for no good reason, and you have a perfect storm of gratuitous assholiness. The conformism amplifies the nosiness, since the enforcement of petty social norms is a perfect cover for minding other people's business, and the nosiness amplifies the conformism, since most people don't want to attract unwanted attention from overly familiar assholes.

Many Americans become disoriented and emotionally numb when they go abroad and suddenly find themselves among people who don't gratuitously intrude into their affairs. Many foreigners, for their part, think that we're out of our damn minds for having such poor personal boundaries, and they're absolutely right. It's a crazymaking nightmare to have to put up with interrogation from people with no skin in the game about why you dress like that, why you took the bus into town instead of driving, why you aren't working in a more prestigious job, why your financial arrangements are different from the questioner's, ad nauseam. Even independent thinkers like me, who don't let the herd dictate our decisions, can find this kind of thing exhausting.

OZ, she may get her wish.
Sooner? Later?

Thanks.
Is ADE1 the same poster as ADE2 or an im-poster?
Or can you not tell?

Will someone start posting as 'carol.'?

In Canada our Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper has just passed a law that allows companies to pay foreign workers 15% less than the rest of us. Out West they are hiring people to work at donut shops at that rate and there is a mining company in BC that only hires Chinese miners because of it.

Now that's progress. Soon we will all work for less and feel lucky to have a job.

BUDIZWISER-

I grew up in St. Louis along the old Laclede & Creve Coeur Lake rail line that was subsequently purchased by Missouri Pacific. This rail line would transport city dwellers to the lake during the summer months for holiday, and the line's freight business consisted of truck farm produce from St. Louis County. Believe it or not, prior to Rapid Climate Change the Creve Coeur lake would freeze solid. Ice was cut out of the lake and stored in Ice houses at the lake to supply the city with ice year round. All of this, including the rail line, was abandoned to make way for mile after mile of subdivisions so the farms are all gone, and the lake never freezes like it used to.

Mtn.gal sed, "...the middle-aged and older who have lost their jobs, just what are people supposed to be doing to earn a living? I've done farm-work and believe me, it's not something to idealize or romantacize in any way."

"It's hard dirty labor and it pays poorly. I'm not talking about gardening, but rather laboring in the fields day after day for lousy pay and no benefits. Realistically this is not work that will be performed by those who are older or in poor physical condition."

I've read your comments with interest, because I know what you're talking about. I know a little about the background you've shared in your own experience trying to homestead. Farming seems problematic, but let me break it down.

"It's hard dirty labor..." - There is much that can be done to improve it by simply considering action and contemplating alternatives, and coming up with more efficient or better ways to do things. Its tiring just watching "modern" people throw themselves at gardens and pseudo-farming enterprises. They have no training, no insight, and usually, in the grasp of nature. In short, no nuance. Farming is just combat with the laws of nature for most people. The weekenders arm themselves with the most destructive and macho tools and then expend the maximum amount of energy in the most meaningless and unproductive of ways. Then, they boast to themselves, "What a workout I just got!" on a good day. On a bad day, "#$%&! this shit!"

"...and it pays poorly." Well, yes. There is no such thing as a free market for production. It is all subsidized competition. You have sweat and hard work- they have the distribution system, economy of scale, immigrant labor, price controls, etc. and so forth. No doubt about it, it is very hard to expand capital return with farming since you have no choice but to accept the prices people are willing to pay. And for their part, people are unprincipled and stingy douchebags, unwilling to pay an extra $0.20 per lime for the cost of providing a certified Organic piece of produce, which meant less external costs like pollution in waterways or habitat destruction. The only effective pressure against this is a constant propaganda war against conventional Ag. products, and EBT and subsidized consumers, so that extra $0.20 doesn't prevent them from eschewing the ethical alternative.


"I'm not talking about gardening, but rather laboring in the fields day after day for lousy pay and no benefits."

This is a product of unrestrained capitalism. These laws are despicable. To read them and imagine that they are, in this day and age, still in the books ("If you are a farm-worker under the age of 14 overtime pay doesn't apply to you") and that the old "family farm" has vanished from the landscape, is to trace our sorry path from amnesty to enmity.

"Realistically this is not work that will be performed by those who are older or in poor physical condition." This belies the comprehensive scenario JHK lays out in his Clusterfuck theory. In a small-scale interdependent social arena, the distances from bed to field won't be long, and much farm "labor" isn't too difficult. Shucking beans, leading a mule pulling a sled, pinching the bad parts off vines, staffing the market stall, not to mention all sorts of value-added work like making cheese, wine, canning, etc. are all possible.

The baseline economics still makes it seem impossible, I know. The farms making it around here rely on a steady trickle of "interns", "volunteers", work-trade, and so on. But this is only due to economic distortion, oppressive property tax, real-estate speculation, and the aforementioned distortions.

Sorry Jim, Amuurika is a third world country already. Watch international house hunters on hgtv a few times and then come to understand that demographics, financial tom foolery and the destruction of America's once dominant culture so we wouldn't all become nazis have helped us attain third world status with 5000 nukes.

I think what made that show successful, much what made Beverly Hillbillies successful, was the whole "fish out of water" conflicts that the character's went through and, as LifeSupport said, the way they had to solve problems and deal with people of different classes. "The Critics," of course, couldn't stand either show, but they did not understand the need of many Americans to escape from their "reality" even if just for 24 minutes. The premises for both shows were not so much absurd as exagerrated, and all I can say is that I grew up on each and watched every episode. I certainly would rather watch a rerun of Gilligan's Island than, say, 2 and a-half Men which I think is dreck. Same for BH. Actually, I always wanted to do a college paper on the level of authenticity of the Clampett's country ways, perhaps comparing their lifestyle to the Foxfire series of books. And think of the millions and millions of young boys who always pondered who was sexier, Mary Ann or Ginger. Also you had a seasoned Bob Denver coming off of his role as Maynard G. Krebs in Dobie Gillis and Jim Backus (voice of Mr. Magoo). A solid show all around. Good fodder for discussions about "community," and getting along.

Oh, BTW, Mary Ann without a doubt!

Criticism and negativity will never get you anywhere.

"A man without a job is a bum. A man looking for a job is a beggar. A man with a job is a slave."

On rather famous fellow put it this way:

"The second essential condition to the owner of money finding labour-power in the market as a commodity is this — that the labourer instead of being in the position to sell commodities in which his labour is incorporated, must be obliged to offer for sale as a commodity that very labour-power, which exists only in his living self."

Not quite sure where it fits into the above equation, but the ideas under discussion at a place called RepRap.org seem to offer some interesting alternatives to the way we're doing things at present:

"RepRap takes the form of a free desktop 3D printer capable of printing plastic objects. Since many parts of RepRap are made from plastic and RepRap prints those parts, RepRap self-replicates by making a kit of itself - a kit that anyone can assemble given time and materials. It also means that - if you've got a RepRap - you can print lots of useful stuff, and you can print another RepRap for a friend..."

Good news for everybody but... well, greedy capitalists, I suppose -- at least as long as the power and phones stay up.

I've been fascinated by 3D printing since I first saw it maybe fifteen years ago, though I've never owned one myself. I still make a lot of stuff the old way (some of it the really old way). I am particularly intrigued, though, by some of the recent developing technology, and I see 3D "printing" holding a lot of potential for conservation of fossil fuels -- not only by essentially digitizing a lot of the distribution of goods, but by eliminating energy-intensive processes. They're using it to produce ceramic composite stuff, building cores for metal casting by printing binder onto thin layers of core sand... it goes way beyond just plastics.

Aqueduct said "Many of you will remember when, in mid-2008, crude oil futures climbed above $147 a barrel. There was great crying and gnashing of teeth on CFN that oil would soon hit $200 and society would collapse. "

Actually, I doubt anyone really recalls a post you made 5 years ago.

And as for that crying and gnashing of teeth- I don't know, I suppose that might have been due to the sound of millions of imploding 401ks, retirement accounts, and surplus wealth vanishing.

Seeing as how the market is back to its pre-2008 levels I'm not surprised to see you back here, leading a cornucopian parade. Let me guess, Allahhu-Akbar and open the borders?

The only indicator of sanity is the person who conceives of a better paradigm and works at manifesting it into the environment despite all odds and barriers. He doesn't waste time by fixating on what is wrong, criticizing, blaming, etc. He gets the show on the road so that there is something better available for when the status quo collapses.

All other thought and activity is masturbation.

"How else to explain the CFN penchant of attacking me..."

Hmmm? Perhaps it might be due to the fact that you are a moronic fucktard? Just a guess.

Sequester will hit the people that play by the rules and cause more broken lives. It will not put us back on path.Just make "GOVMINT" smaller by killing off the worker Bees. If Sequester last for more than a few weeks more homes will be returned back to the banks, more families destroyed & maybe even a few will "Checkout" the hard way.The Ink & Meth crowd will not even hear about it. Until the Billionaires, bankrupt the Millionaires,the middle class & even the working poor will not get it. And the band played on.

One might ask why a modern nation would operate its entire transportation system, both freight and passenger, on a single mostly imported, easily disrupted and rapidly depleting energy source. Especially one that the pollution from which results in agriculture-threatening Climate Change.

A shortage of this fuel could happen almost overnight and would put a real crimp on air travel, food delivery and personal mobility. A backup plan would be a great idea, particularly one that used a far more efficient steel wheel on steel rail and could be operated from a diverse number of domestic non-oil energy sources.

By double and triple tracking and electrifying the major routes we could have a much more secure and efficient transportation alternative. It would remove many of the fuel-wasting, roadway-destroying heavy trucks from our highways, allowing faster and easier local traffic, while eliminating the need for constantly carving more lanes out of our diminished farmland. Long distance trains could be equipped with car carriers that deliver your personal vehicle to your destination without gas or wear and tear, as the Florida Auto Train does.

We need a system that captures the money and energy savings and uses it to finance the construction of such a network. Its really a matter of National Security but would also generate thousands of new jobs, a 21st century economic stimulous plan with concrete results.

Google "Steel Interstates".

Sighhh...Been reading CFN for years now and collapse is always one or two quarters around the bend. And we gotta start building railroads and planting truck gardens. I get it that rail transportation is a good thing and locavore food production appeals to our "everyman a farmer" meme (as shown during the last superbowl). But let's get real shall we?

This country collectively is never going to give up its perks without a fight and that means we'll do anything within our power (and "we" have lots of tricks along those lines) to "sustain the unsustainable" right up to the sticking point. What this means is using jive finance tricks to keep spending money on guns and roads. We'll burn up all the oil we can until it's too expensive to buy. And we'll come up with tricks to offload the rising costs onto others. Politicians will continue to shoot down rail projects, carbon taxes of all kinds (read fuel taxes), etc. as "wasteful".

Lots of time to unwind slowly...We'll both be dead before that happens. By the way, they're putting in street cars in DC, but hey, that's just that ole socialist preening dontcha know.

AMR is right "Few societies treat their agricultural laborers commensurately to the huge and essential value of their labor, and the US is no exception."

Farming is low prestige, low social status, physical labor, shit on by politicians, internet culture, the consumer. Hopefully that will change, but the moment does not seem ripe. The public interest in farming is enumerated in dollars invested in companies like Cargill, Monstano, Kellogg's, Aramark, Proctor & Gamble, etc. The actual people in the fields are 3rd-class non-citizens.

Farming as practiced by Major Ag. is basically Earth Rape on a massive scale, the reduction of soil capacity and habitat displacement. China recently brokered the long-term lease and management of a swatch of land in Africa to feed its surplus population in Asia: by swatch of land I mean a gross area the size of Pennsylvania and New York State combined. This vast acreage will be terraformed, its indigenous populations removed, and genetically-engineered grain and feed for export drilled in. Its rivers, lakes and aquifers will be bled to feed it and applications of genetic herbicides will be applied to the vast mono-cultures by drones. And this is just ONE foreign investment project!

Oldsmobile69, look down on the fruits of your Ubermenschen. Are you erect with pride?

Buck's A Stud, the handles are different:

adequatio
adequatio.

The post you are replying to was made by adequatio. (dot at the end) not by me.

I am adequatio (with no dot at the end). Someone is pretending to be me. This is my first post today.

I did enjoy the Netflix House of Cards series. And I can relate to JHK's comments on iPhones. My children use their smart phones as tools related to their work (work-related email, making airline reservations for business trips, etc.)

Wait a minute, Soak. I thought you were dot dot.

"JHK, with that knives and fork comment aptly described Georgia..."

Sure it did. And the folks from these environs are responsible in what ways for fucking this country up beyond recognition?

Maybe the fucktards in D.C. and upstate New York should try eating with their hands.

"Adam and Eve had to be incestual to get this whole thing started..."

Perhaps their children did but they did not "have" to be incestual, you idiot.

Give us an update, Soak. How's the weather in Arlington, Virginia today?

Angle eyes said "This country collectively is never going to give up its perks without a fight"

I fight this to be somewhat incredulous. The "perk" you're referring to is the privilege of surplus income above the proletarian level. In a global economy what people face is a steady erosion of this privilege. There is no one to "fight". Who are you going to take a swing at when the factory closes up and moves to Mexico or China?

The average worker is now like the average Farmer: he can't set prices, he takes them. The competition is dynamic and subsidized. The remaining economy is ephemeral. He can call his congressman, but he won't take the call- he's on the other line, a conference call with businessmen from China and Mexico, trying to sell public property leases to the last people standing with excess dollar reserves, to pay for the year's pothole and shovel-ready projects so he can be re-selected.

Someone has a terrible case of potty mouth. Oh my. What would Fars think?

"Someone has a terrible case of potty mouth."

Potty mouth? Mutherfucking potty mouth? Seriously?

Who are you going to take a swing at when the factory closes up and moves to Mexico or China?

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Let me see. How does it usually go. Of course, it's the women who are going to get their asses beaten to a bloody pulp. You hear that San Jose Mom, nastarana and any of you other so-called females who post here?

So you are the one creating a fake handle, copy/pasting crap from a non-existent "Asoka" and then trying to pass it off as mine? You are only creating more clusterfuck and wasting CFN bandwidth. I will not be responding further to you.

Filesupports said, "I see 3D "printing" holding a lot of potential for conservation of fossil fuels..."

...so they can be used to sell for money in other markets.

Energy is a genie in the bottle; even if we conserve a little here, that much gets wasted somewhere else. There must be a plausible, concrete, and forcefully persuasive way to keep such resources in the ground in order to augur the era of true "Conservation". The only way I see that happening is the projection of military force and multi- or unilateral (whatever gets the job done) diplomacy and effort. Eg., stop building that refinery or we will blow you up.

3D printers will be disruptive technology, to be sure. But you can't burn the products in your gas tank or make the interminably dull distances between one asphalt lagoon and the ugly malfeasance of suburbia shorter.

Cluterfuck theory predicts the opposite: Much plastic 'nurdles' will be delivered, much will be spilled into waterways. The highway median will take on the permanent appearance of a sprinkled doughnut. Kitsch will re-emerge and the Etsy will be flooded with paintable miniatures of contemporary celebrity personae, appropriate to the scale of the fore-running machines.

Eventually the machines will be capable of dildo-sized reproduction- and what will the silicone manufacturing plants do with the assembly lines and precision tool and dies? They will go on eBay along with the surplus workers; their business model will collapse to a single office and a few staff-members, and their products will be digital phalli, for a few bucks a pop. The profit margins will go razor thin and their tax remittances no longer capable of supporting even one sign-waver per diem at the local unfinished overpass.

Keep it up and you're going to get that dirty mouth of yours washed out with soap, young man. That's no way for a gentleman to comport himself. Shape up, or ship out. Do you hear me, soldier? Straighten up!

It's like I said, there are about four or five people, maximum, posting as thirty people, or more. It's to craft a message, and hijack any constructive dialogue at JHK's site. It goes back to those emails. The people who sent Jim those emails are the people I've referenced above. They're deeply disturbed. Certainly not the type of people you want to have by your side when you're building that world by hand. These folks only know how to build a world by hate and violence.

Cluterfuck theory predicts the opposite

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Interesting permutation in bold. I like it. Speaking of dildos, where's Dildoshtik with the correction on your writing? There are so many mistakes, it's making my head spin, but the resident gimp (Q-Shtik) is nowhere to be found.

It's to craft a message, and hijack any constructive dialogue at JHK's site. ... They're deeply disturbed.

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Yes, I agree. They increase the noise and degrade the CFN signal. I suppose that is their goal. JHK should have a moderator to prevent their disturbing abuse of CFN.

Don't take yourself so seriously. Out of the many thousands of readers JHK has weekly, a relative few read or post comments.

You have this incredible knack for hopping in whatever canoe of the moment and paddling towards the first tributary your eyes come across. In that regard, you and Asoka emerged from the same waters: A River Named Diversion.

But back to my main point, the "main river" if you will:

Is JHK's message an optimistic one? I happen to think it is.

* a canoe of the moment.

I work with this real smart young guy. He's hopelessly car-dependent, as is just about everyone I know. We were discussing the automobile the other day. I mentioned that since Neanderthals, we've managed to exist pretty successfully for about half a million years just walkin around the Earth about 3 miles per hour, and that it's strikes me as quite bizarre that now today, in the span of just 75 years, we're pretty much wholly unable to go 6 blocks to the store for a loaf of bread and a book of stamps without a 3000 lb. machine. I said, "I'm interested in the physiological forces behind this; causing a hominid species with a relatively large brainin such numbers to fall together into a consensus trance of reality, reassuring and reconfirming one another's world-view, regardless of whether or not that world-view consensus is actually a good or healthy thing for their offspring." etc.. Interestingly, his responses were, "Well we need a car to blah blah blah.." ..and.. "Without the car we wouldn't get to blah blah blah.." ..and.. "How would we be able to blah blah blah without the car..?" etc., etc.. And I find this exchange to be quite typical. Rather than address my point of, "How does it HAPPEN.. that people surrender to group-think in this way," etc., he instead, provided me a number of examples of exactly the group-think responses which are the result of the phenomenon I'm questioning. Humanity is walking around on unconscious impulse. Just another species performing as programmed. Should we disappear suddenly, the rest of the planet's inhabitants would be quite glad we're gone..

Very good work by JHK and all of you.The replies have been educational to say the least.Far from being a doomsday cheerleader,my personal perspective is that James is wild like an old testament prophet. His specifics may be off a bit but the general message of economic collapse is one that we all should adopt.

Finally catching on after a couple of weeks, eh? Good fer you!

But all great Rivers run to the Sea, Buck. Mr Kunslter's Message is one of Wisdom more than Hope, I'd say. He has said he sides more with the pessimist/millions dying crowd. Of course to those who heed his timely warning - it may become a message of Hope, once they have made the difficult transition he preaches. Less can be More as Tripp and others always say.

I can see the Promised Land, but can I enter? My sins are heavy...

As I was saying before: you, like Dale, would have no problem going from "We are at War with Eurasia" to "We are at War with East Asia. We have always been at War with East Asia" - with very little or no inner conflict. You always keep your eye on the prize of which side your bread is buttered on and what the Good people are saying.

"The thing is--the mind is tricky thing and it will convince you that this reaction will simply persist, but it is ignoring our great capacity to adjust and adapt to adverse circumstances."
-ront-

This is correct, ront, to some large extent.
BUT we're talking about two different things, here.
You are arguing about the ability of the human spirit to change and adapt - even to horrible circumstances.

While I am talking about overpopulation inside the United States producing circumstances so horrible that adaptation becomes impossible.

This should be fought.
Send this fax, and many others.
https://www.numbersusa.com/sendfax

You should have paid more attention to what I actually wrote instead of projecting motives onto me and claiming that I'm mentally defective because I wasn't as critical of Mexico as you think I should have been. I did not claim that Mexico is some kind of utopia, but rather that it is much better than it was, much better than Americans who have never visited Mexico commonly assume, and getting better on the whole. I'm pretty sure that most hard data and anecdotal evidence from Mexico today would bear my claims out.

Are there still things about life in Mexico that suck? Of course. Is there still squalor and abject poverty in Mexico? Of course. I didn't claim otherwise. This does not, however, mean that I have any duty to recite a litany of everything that's wrong with Mexico every time I mention the country just in order to appease a paranoid racist who projects motives onto other people. Doing so would be ridiculous.

Your own comments on a wide variety of subjects demonstrate that you understand nuances and can effectively articulate them. If I do say so myself, I've demonstrated the same thing in my own comments. When you make indefensible claims about other people, including me, and project motives onto us, all I can think is that you're either blinded by paranoia or arguing on bad faith.

"The more ethnic diversity, the less intellectual diversity - which is exactly what the Leftists want." -js-

You should know better by now than to label a particular group and ascribe to them all the horrible and nasty characteristics of which you can think.

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Does anyone, not just JS, know what happened to the environmental movement in the United States. These groups used to work on issues that were important to - wait for it -

the environment of the United States.

Now, the environmental movement seems to raise money and push pie-in-the-sky-solutions that have little/no chance of implementation or success.

So, anybody, what happened here to help seal our doom?

Thanks.

Alive and well...

http://www.350.org

and active against Obama's betrayal of the environment.

"JHK, with that knives and fork comment aptly described Georgia, especially the mountainous region in the north of the state."
-little troll "carol," wants to play-

Why should I play with you when you can not answer my question from last week, little troll.

Roll around in the mud with mystified/tootsie for a while, "carol," he LIIIKEES it.

You're one fine writer, AMR!

To briefly discuss your territorial integrity bugaboo, I've got a strong hunch that the Reconquest of Aztlan isn't nearly as popular among workaday Mexican-Americans as it is among the intelligentsia, who find it either gratifying or expedient to bask in the attention that can be gotten by carrying on about stupid political hobbyhorses. There are a lot of people, especially Mexican and US-Mexican dual nationals, who would hate to see the US borderlands revert to Mexican control because that would force them to do business with Mexican bureaucracies. This seems to be turning into a weaker motivation as Mexican bureaucracies improve and US bureaucracies descend into corruption and disorder, but there's still a lot of bad government south of the border, and few people are more aware or critical of this dysfunction than those who have occasion to do official business on both sides of the border.

As far as Vicente Fox is concerned, his rhetoric about the greatness of the Mexican diaspora in the Southwest sounds to me like fairly standard political pandering, not dignified but also not threatening to his audience's American neighbors. He was campaigning for their support in a Mexican presidential election, an election that they had a right to vote in as Mexican citizens, just as American citizens living in Mexico have a right to vote in US presidential elections. He could have fed his audience the most exquisite bullshit and still not have the least effect on American affairs. What we're talking about is a Mexican politician running for office in a Mexican election and canvassing for votes from Mexican voters who happen to be living in the US. I'd say this had as much of an effect on the United States as the everyday doings inside any Mexican consulate. Based on what you described, it doesn't necessarily mean a thing, and there's no particular reason for Americans hearing of such a thing not to be completely indifferent.

Really, an MIT grad in the field of petroleum engineering had the following majikal thinking, "... a cigarette pack of gasoline would run my computer for 20 years!"

A gallon of gas contains ~37kWh of power, and high-end efficiency would be something like 30% useable work (70% lost as heat). So you're talking 12kWh per gallon, or something like 375Wh of usable power in a half cup's worth (cig pack). 20 years equals 175,200 hours (20*365*24). So, a device that could run on 375Wh total power for 20 years would consume a mere 2mW. The display backlighting alone for an iPhone is 420mW, more than 2 orders of magnitude higher than the 2mW requirement. An iPad apparently has a 42Wh battery life, and only lasts 6 hours per charge (7,000mW consumption)...

Let's be quite unrealistic, and assume you have one of the most efficient laptops available at the moment, which bottom out at about 10 watts (as opposed to a typical desktop running 120+ watts). That laptop would run about 1.5 days off ("of" - tm Q) 'a cigarette pack of gasoline.'

It's really this sort of majikal thinking, that reinforces the ideology of '100 years of energy independence,' through a fossil fueled CO2 obliteration...

Mexico....... is much better than it was, much better than Americans who have never visited Mexico commonly assume, and getting better on the whole. I'm pretty sure that most hard data and anecdotal evidence from Mexico today would bear my claims out.

I cannot help but comment. I lived in MX for 8 years, my wife is from there and our son holds dual citizenship. None of us has the slightest desire to ever live there again.

It is a failed state and I hold getting worse not better. Amnesty Int. and other human rights review organizations place the country near the top of their lists for horrible places to live.

The old land grant hacienda oligarchy is still firmly seated in power. Agrarian land reform and the so-called "ejido" restorations have never been implemented. It remains a bastion of extreme right-wing nut ideology, IE: taxes are low, any vestige of a social safety net is non-existent and privatization re cronyism rules the day.

As JP Getty once remarked: "PEMEX is the only oil conglomerate in the world that never showed a profit." No doubts as to why that is.

Noted.

Fred Reed's accounts of his expat life in Jalisco tend to be polar opposites of your account, but you and he both sound pretty credible. And I'd much rather get apparently contradictory accounts from sources that all seem sane and reasonable enough than be bombarded with paranoid projectile bigotry from people who distort the available evidence beyond recognition to promote their agendas.

Thanks for the input.

P4C, I find myself agreeing with your positions quite often, and I think the thought process is interesting as well. I'm with you all the way on the issue of immigration. What we are dealing with in that area is not immigration, but an 11 million person tidal wave that will eventually impact our culture for better or worse. I don't know about you, but I can't wait until Hispanics outnumber all other groups, and we can have our own drug gangs killing 40 people at a time & then leaving them along the freeway headless. Oh well, I guess that's a problem for younger people to deal with. Too bad we can't sit down somewhere & have a beer sometime (Oops, I mean a cerveza).

Damn, y'all. It is truly rare that so many offend my delicate sensibilities so early on a Monday morn. I hardly know where to begin. I had to stop at Bustin Jay's response to Mountaingal @ 3:58 PM EST.

First, and most important, a response to "PETER OF LONE TREE".

Get those goddamn sheep off the baseball diamond. I refuse to let you so blithely dismiss one of the most important on-going institutions of American culture.

Check it.

You can directly trace the decline of the economies of American cities to the televising of baseball games. PEOPLE QUIT GOING TO THE PARK!

It is a pastoral game and it needs to return to it's pastoral roots.

IF, and I do mean IF, Americans are going to actively to involve themselves in soil remediation, I can think of, oh, maybe 10,000 unused asphalt parking lots you could start with before you continue with any further athletic emasculation of American males.

What in the Sam Hell are you thinking of? That a carefully cultivated left hander should have his concentration destroyed by a wandering ruminant?

How I yearn for the return of the "Beer and Whiskey League".

NEXT - Some kind of semi-intelligent response to Bustin Jay:

"What a workout I just got!" on a good day. On a bad day, "#$%&! this shit!"

I just spent the last eight working hours of my life shuttling cabinets and doors up and down a three story building for $47 and some change. Not the worst day at work that I've ever had, but WTF!? I'm 54 years old. I can hear The Reaper chuckling as I toil.

We attempt to solve our problems with thought ,but it is thought which is the source of our problems.Thought gives the false impression that you are running it,but thought is in essence running you.Thought has the same fault as the fault.

"PEOPLE QUIT GOING TO THE PARK!"

Hahaha! I just spent a good 15 minutes typing the past 2 years worth of gasohol consumption on my '81 Honda CM400 into the *spreadsheet*. She's still purring along at 47MPG, given 24,300 total miles (time for a total gasket/bearing/ring overhaul). Clocked a total of 1,000 miles over those *SAID-SAME* 2 years (work-horse - hauled 65-120 lbs each *TIME*, in the *PASSENGER* seat - heh!)

But I digress... Thos Merton, back in the mid 60's, had something *special* to say about American (New York City) parks, and the difference from that vision of the *ENGLISH* park. Park, Park, PARK!!! That's *LIEK* 50 years ago, you *FSK'N* geezahz...

Uh...yeah

Does this apply to the San Andreas fault?

Mexico has commerce. [In no special order]
The BIG Three are:
Oil
Greenbacks
Narcotics


Yes?
Plus USA has 50,000,000 Latinos here.

You may want to try speaking in a language that humans can understand.

Perhaps this was hastily typed while waiting for the Mothership to dock.

La cucaracha
La cucaracha

Marijuana fuminar!

Sorry tu ne comprend pas. Maybe try to re-read it, and when you find *FAULTS* - point them out with a whee bit-o-support, rather than ad-hominem my @$$...

Todays generation does not know what real sweat is.

"You may want to try speaking in a language that humans can understand."

omFg! I get it! "Try to speak, you moronic imbecile!"

Nope! No ad hominem there, NoMor...

You know, I'm as sentimental as the next guy.

So I just know that you will understand when I invoke an old chestnut:

Bite Me Crank, Matey.

Thought everyone might get a kick out of this one.

http://media.oregonlive.com/oregonian/photo/2013/02/12335339-large.jpg

"What disturbs me, a non-right-winger politically,...

Aren't you a right-winger in the beautiful ways, Jim? Certainly you believe in conserving things and the old ways. Why should devotion to Israel, which is only an ersatz right-wing trait these days, be the only right-wing thing you sing? If you will. (I know, I know. You see through a different lens.)

"These folks only know how to build a world by hate and violence.

This from the guy who dreams of of blacks attacking whites and gets goo-goo about Nelson Mandela.

Too weird. On the way home from work today, I regaled my co-workers with stories from my Mal-Wart loading dock days in an effort to dispel the MYTH of "expert" truck drivers. Lots of mangled trucks come limping in to loading docks.

Gee Dick, what happened?

So what do you get "goo-goo" about Julian.

Julian.....sure.

Why not?

mmmmmm....Halle Berry....

What in the Sam Hell are you thinking of?
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It's Sam Hill and the of is superfluous.

Sorry orbit7er...

FEMINISM... is IRRATIONAL.
As in, emotionalism on steroids having little rational analysis, usually oriented towards leftist ideology as justification for tearing down the male dominated establishment.
Its called thinking with their tits and pushing that thinking on the rest of us.
As do many men who think with their dicks, and have pushed that thinking on us for thousands of years.

Maybe its time to put all these old ideologies in their grave, was my point.

I have seen that woman's rather ugly face on tabloids a few years ago. Why bring her up?

Goo goo? Emotional and fawning? Like most White men I am capable of getting goo goo (and being an idiot) over a 1) beautiful 2) White 3) woman. Hale Berry is disqualified in items 1 and 2. But I don't get goo goo about Nelson Mandela singing "kill the Bohr."

Men should try to reduce their goo-goo nature generally. They should direct it more to God. That is, their devotion, emotion, childlike desires, and praise should be directed to God. That's bhakti-yoga. Christianity is bhakti-yoga, and I am of Christian heritage. So this is all natural.

I ran across this and was wondering what some of you fine folks thought about it.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/profiles/kevin-macdonald

It seems to me, all of that is front and center in this comments section. It's as though MacDonald has been posting himself under another name, along with his supporters. What a bunch of creeps.

Mexico has commerce. [In no special order] The BIG Three are: Oil Greenbacks Narcotics

Oil and tourism have been #1 and 2 for quite some time. As I mentioned above though, oil revenues while high, never seem to generate profit. (search El Durazno, Pemex and Swiss bank accounts)

By greenbacks I'll assume you refer to dollar remittances by nationals abroad. If there has been an uptick in local economies, this has been the reason. BTW the MX .gov is crazy for this kind of value added to there economy, the VAT taxes added at the mercantile level have been sizable.

Narcotics is strictly under the purview of the long established hacienda oligarchy. The profits are huge but very little trickles down to the populace. I am constantly holding back a laugh (if it were not so brutal and violent) at the made for media dictum "cartels". Nothing happens in MX without approval of the very powerful MX military and the military is the private police force of the oligarchy. The so-called "cartels" and their minions are stooges, mules really who do the dirty work. They are fungible operatives, throw-away people, most are recruited from the prisons for a spell and then eliminated. The "cartel" narrative does make for a compelling story though as much simple misdirection as it is.

Silicon Valley is supposedly a bright spot on the economic/jobs map in the U.S. Yet in today's San Jose Mercury News, an article pointed out the poor condition of San Jose's roads. This year, the budget provided just $30 million to repair roads. They want to raise sales tax 1/2 cent and/or add a homeowner bond measure ($100 per year/per household) to fix the roads. As it stands, there is a $339 million backlog of road repair work that needs to be done.

San Jose's 2012-2013 operating and capital budget is $2.8 BILLION! Huh?

I'm happy to say that my children are not very enthusiastic drivers. My son (a freshman at SJSU) uses light rail and his skateboard to get around. Sometimes he uses his skateboard to get to his workplace, and occasionally he uses my husband's Honda Civic. He has one long-term friend that actively refuses to ride in cars. When he and this friend recently went to a concert in San Francisco, they used skateboards and trains.

My daughter (a high school senior) does not have her driver's license. She took a road test last September but flunked. She couldn't understand the accent of the DMV employee that tested her.
Her enthusiasm for driving dipped to zero. She enjoys riding her bike around.

Since our roads are so poor, I guess it's good that my kids are ho-hum about cars and driving.

Jen

Any of the claptrap coming out of MoDees org I consider to be mainly agit/prop.

Carol said:
Technology is partly to blame for the current predicament. Instead of freeing us up to think, it's done the exact opposite. It's accelerated the pace of life and made multitasking the norm. We didn't evolve to multitask. We don't do it well, and we shouldn't want to do it well, but it's the expectation these days. Shit gets screwed up when you multitask. Haste makes waste. Impulsivity rules the day with this hectic pace. Introspection, reflection and retrospection have become archaic notions.
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Well, Carol, when you're right, your right!! I am perhaps the most Luddite computer science teacher in history. I never owned a cellphone until age 56 and the one I have is very low tech and I rarely use it. I do not text message. I've never played video games. My current computer is the third one I've owned in my life. English teachers are usually on their sixth or seventh.

The founders of cybernetics (Wiener, Turing, and Bertolanffy) wrote about the dangers of gadget worshipping, especially in his 1947 work "God and Golem". Their idea was that computers are supposed to LIBERATE us from mechanisms so that we can pursue more humane and aesthetic ventures. I wholeheartedly agree with them. I shudder when I see cafes full of laptops where people have a smart phone in their ear while yammering to someone else in an overly loud voice about what's on their screen.

There used to be a magazine called "In Formation" whose subtitle was "Every day computers are finding people easier and easier to use." Some of us old school cyberneticists shudder at the idea that college courses should be taught online and that people shouldn't even shop in stores anymore.

Most people think TV is "Big Brother" but it's the computer to which we're truly enslaved. TV is optional. Hard to name a job that doesn't involve computers. For God's sake, even workers in cafes have to deal with byzantine point-of-sales systems on their cash registers and the design is horrible.

Your post was excellent.


E.

Bertolanffy

should be Bertalanffy

Haste makes waste.

Yes, yes.

Shit gets screwed up when you multitask.

Can't you people spend time among whites without throwing around the 's' word?

"Your post was excellent."

Yeah, this part was astoundingly brilliant:

"Haste makes waste. Impulsivity rules the day with this hectic pace."

Don't encourage this troll posing as a woman posing as a bitch posing as having a book of Proverbs handy. Have no doubt that Carolonius Jones is down with any gadget he can get his hands on.

Carol, you are right. Just by reading the comments section of CFN one is exposed to race-based secessionist thought, often lifted directly from sites like Occidental Observer, Storm Front, CofCC, NeoNazi.org, AmRen, etc.

Funny that they should be drawn to a blog run by a person of Jewish persuasion (or so they say; I don't care a jot about JHK's ethnic or religious background).

You'll know the shit has hit the fan when all the churches, synagogues, mosques, etc. have installed large community gardens on their lots, esp. when they put jack pots over most of their parking lots. (A jack pot is a collapsible plastic bag that functions as a growing pot, but much cheaper).

But there is hope: the FEC Railroad is laying down $1 billion (1,000 million) to build a passenger rail line between Miami and Orlando. Most of the track is in place, but it must be double tracked, bridges expanded, etc. Fare: about $100. They expect to run 16 trains a day. Like their predecessor corporation, which built a line all the way to the Keys only to see it destroyed in a hurricane shortly after construction, they plan to make a lot of their money by development around the stations. Government plans to do smaller projects are going MUCH slower. http://www.allaboardflorida.com

I should add this: the most valuable commodity around you could be the soil nearby. It is time to learn how to improve it by composting kitchen scraps, leaves, etc. and encouraging worms there.

"Funny that they should be drawn to a blog run by a person of Jewish persuasion...

Both Jews and the smarter Whites value their ethnic and racial identity. It makes perfect sense.

And Kunstler is talking about issues that the smarter Whites really care about. As contrasted to Kunstler, who just likes pitching word bombs at the stupid Gentiles for messing up their world with cars, while the Gentiles actually care. So there is, as it were, a symbiosis here, if you will.

Sure Mexico is getting better: they have given us their poor, their criminals, their sick - just as the Statue of Liberty advertises. America is a scum magnet in other words. As the Mexican population lowers, wages go up and a middle class can develop. Of course this oftset by the Narco war which I don't think you mention. I wouldn't bet on their chances and in any case, they will be dragged down as we fall.

Evidently there are many Mexicos are the different posters indicate. It is a complex place. Sorry I jumped on you - I feel very passionate. Liberals and Conservatives do have different brain functions though. Perhaps we should go back to the Roman system of a Peace King and War King. You folks just don't get how dangerous the world is. Go to the La Raza and MECHA sites and see what they intend for us if they get their way.

So what - are you extending your BS Peace Ideology from Race and Ethnicity to Political Parties? Are you standing up for Communists now? You know that Bill Ayers estimated that 10% of the American People were going to have to be executed, right? And you know that far from being a pariah he has become an immensely influential man and has been so for a long time. And that he has the ear of his friend Barack Obama, right? Right? Right?

Are you sure there's going to BE another election? What better time to for them to strike than during the next four years?

Miss Liberty didnt ask that, Emma did.

MoDees is 'Mc Donald'?

Will you be furloughed from your DOD desk jockey job with the coming sequestration? Keep us posted.

So Asoka never existed and you say I have created the handle adequatio (with a dot).

This blog is a room full of mirrors isn't it? A veritable funhouse.

"Territorial Integrity Bugaboo" - exactly what I'm talking about. You people shouldn't be allowed anywhere near power since you don't value our nation. If you did, you would value our borders since they are the skin of the Nation.

Would you mind if someone violated your space or person? Why, since you don't value our National space or dignity? As a Liberal, you think you are too good for that. You're wrong: you're not worthy of it.

Poorly done Emma. Large Paltrowesque tears roll down her Golden cheeks. Daemons lick them off before they can fall to the Earth as pearls. Be looks on enviously as any New York Girl would. Why can't she have daemons?

("of") tm Q

I just wanted to bounce the following idea OFF (of) U?!... Ha haha ahahahaha hahahahahah!!!

"Really, an MIT grad in the field of petroleum engineering"

Hah, you F'n spammer. R U really such a clubee, that you can't even offer evidence to support your assertion>?!...

I payed $3 dollars, in 3 separate installments tonite, to send a message to a facebook friend (moer like *FIEND*, and I didn't pay sh!t). I'm guessing she caught a *R33L* bad dose of ADHD, and simply *can't respond*, after 30 years of (WHA!!!)...

As Roy Masters says, "A Friend in need is a Fiend indeed."


4:17 "China recently brokered the long-term lease and management of a swatch of land in Africa to feed its surplus population in Asia: by swatch of land I mean a gross area the size of Pennsylvania and New York State combined. This vast acreage will be terraformed, its indigenous populations removed, and genetically-engineered grain and feed for export drilled in. Its rivers, lakes and aquifers will be bled to feed it and applications of genetic herbicides will be applied to the vast mono-cultures by drones. And this is just ONE foreign investment project!

Oldsmobile69, look down on the fruits of your Ubermenschen. Are you erect with pride? "


No one can do anything about it anyways whether you like it or not, countries, people, forces will do what they want unless you offer resistance, opposition, and if you want to oppose China, well go luck with that.

We will maybe regress back to being only a few hundred ape things worldwide, a few hundred apes, after Nuclear War (imagine what a boatload of fun, all the major cities of China, JAPAN and South Korea, Chicago, New York City, Sao Paolo etc. Nuked, what destruction man!) or maybe global warming will provoke that war, or something else (a giant asteroid ? earthquakes ? who knows, there are many random events and forces of "Nature" playing around), 7 billion people can find 7 billion reasons to fight and go to war and so forth.

But I don't think we will be 100 % wiped off the planet, we will just cycle through all over again, develop all over again and become a thousand trillion until another major war or event or whatever, the cycles will go on and on and so forth.

I read somewhere that at a certain point in the past, a few 100 thousand years (or was that million ?) ago, ape type humans were only a few hundred worldwide, but they managed to survive and thrive anyways. And even if we are wiped out, Natural evolution will probably evolve some similar animal, nay, with all of the electronic leftovers of the previous millions of years who knows what incredible tricks pure blind forces, natural evolution, the random playing out of random forces mixing and matching random entities of matter organized in the most random way can play on us, can construct, can invent and so forth. A new thinking slab of matter interacting and and manipulating its environments and such.

This play of forces will never end, will go on forever, there will be all kinds of things, the distinction between Nature and Fake is simply cultural, mental, Matter likes to play with itself and constructs all kinds of incredible stuff, just because, and even if the planet ends up dead like Mars, well who cares, so much the better, Mars is a nice place, silence, no fighting, no pain or pleasure, a pure spiritual achievement and such, life is overrated, organic chemistry, carbon chemistry is overrated, I like the mostly dead, irrelevant stuff in the Universe, the plasmas in stars, rocks on planets, all things that have no goal, no thoughts, no problems, I like things that have no problems and just exist...


rhino boy says:

2:19 "Here's another perspective: the plain fact is that folks like me are often pre-occupied (and by "pre-occupied" I mean shitting razor blades) with making sure that cash is coming into company coffers."


Good for you, you can keep that job, who wants it ? On a side note, rhino must have had a really horrible life: his repsonsabilities sounded so tough, what kind of work was that that you had to fight off such choosy clients, and crappy bosses and workers ? wow, maybe you were better off working at McDonalds, I don't think so much aggravation and worries and fighting was even really worth it in the end....now go on rhino say I am a fancy pants, a layabout, someone who thinks he's smart and so forth, all criticism accepted, I don't give two c*cks and a d*ck about what anyone or anything thinks, it is all irrelvant and useless anyways, so good for you, you are right, I just hope they paid you a good salary for all of your fighting and such in those crappy jobs you had...

ape star,


4:17 "China recently brokered the long-term lease and management of a swatch of land in Africa to feed its surplus population in Asia: by swatch of land I mean a gross area the size of Pennsylvania and New York State combined. This vast acreage will be terraformed, its indigenous populations removed, and genetically-engineered grain and feed for export drilled in. Its rivers, lakes and aquifers will be bled to feed it and applications of genetic herbicides will be applied to the vast mono-cultures by drones. And this is just ONE foreign investment project!

Oldsmobile69, look down on the fruits of your Ubermenschen. Are you erect with pride? "


No one can do anything about it anyways whether you like it or not, countries, people, forces will do what they want unless you offer resistance, opposition, and if you want to oppose China, well go luck with that.

We will maybe regress back to being only a few hundred ape things worldwide, a few hundred apes, after Nuclear War (imagine what a boatload of fun, all the major cities of China, JAPAN and South Korea, Chicago, New York City, Sao Paolo etc. Nuked, what destruction man!) or maybe global warming will provoke that war, or something else (a giant asteroid ? earthquakes ? who knows, there are many random events and forces of "Nature" playing around), 7 billion people can find 7 billion reasons to fight and go to war and so forth.

But I don't think we will be 100 % wiped off the planet, we will just cycle through all over again, develop all over again and become a thousand trillion until another major war or event or whatever, the cycles will go on and on and so forth.

I read somewhere that at a certain point in the past, a few 100 thousand years (or was that million ?) ago, ape type humans were only a few hundred worldwide, but they managed to survive and thrive anyways. And even if we are wiped out, Natural evolution will probably evolve some similar animal, nay, with all of the electronic leftovers of the previous millions of years who knows what incredible tricks pure blind forces, natural evolution, the random playing out of random forces mixing and matching random entities of matter organized in the most random way can play on us, can construct, can invent and so forth. A new thinking slab of matter interacting and and manipulating its environments and such.

This play of forces will never end, will go on forever, there will be all kinds of things, the distinction between Nature and Fake is simply cultural, mental, Matter likes to play with itself and constructs all kinds of incredible stuff, just because, and even if the planet ends up dead like Mars, well who cares, so much the better, Mars is a nice place, silence, no fighting, no pain or pleasure, a pure spiritual achievement and such, life is overrated, organic chemistry, carbon chemistry is overrated, I like the mostly dead, irrelevant stuff in the Universe, the plasmas in stars, rocks on planets, all things that have no goal, no thoughts, no problems, I like things that have no problems and just exist...


rhino boy says:

2:19 "Here's another perspective: the plain fact is that folks like me are often pre-occupied (and by "pre-occupied" I mean shitting razor blades) with making sure that cash is coming into company coffers."


Good for you, you can keep that job, who wants it ? On a side note, rhino must have had a really horrible life: his repsonsabilities sounded so tough, what kind of work was that that you had to fight off such choosy clients, and crappy bosses and workers ? wow, maybe you were better off working at McDonalds, I don't think so much aggravation and worries and fighting was even really worth it in the end....now go on rhino say I am a fancy pants, a layabout, someone who thinks he's smart and so forth, all criticism accepted, I don't give two c*cks and a d*ck about what anyone or anything thinks, it is all irrelvant and useless anyways, so good for you, you are right, I just hope they paid you a good salary for all of your fighting and such in those crappy jobs you had...

ape star,


Oh, come come now Julian. Does every word of every post have to boil down to race and race only? "Uh, yes, some WHITE people found a Higgs Boson in Switzerland." Please. You can't exhibit the monomania and irrationality of a poster that you dislike (and who ordinarily manages to chap my hide, too) and then say that your hands are clean when YOU do it!

Whatever or whoever "Carol" is makes no difference at all if I find a post rational and compelling. Your hypothesizing that she's "Carolonius Jones" and "gets her hands on any gadget she can" is about as crazy as Carol saying that I'm a conservative ergo I must drive a Denali.

I already have REAL friends, Julian. I don't need to agree or disagree with anyone all the time in order to feel that I have a "peer group" on CFN. Sorry. This is just a blog. It's not my social life and it's not my identity. Get over it.


E.


Janos,

Today there was another Yahoo Finance article about why the American middle class was disappearing. The answer is quite simple: We've lost the work ethic AND the skills to work complex manufacturing jobs.

Unfortunately, our white youth are falling down on the job and adopting barrio and ghetto values. The ski cap indoors, the backward baseball cap, the saggy jeans/shorts, the "muhfuggah" conversational style. has been adopted wholesale by ordinary suburban white kids.

The problem isn't just Mexicans moving here and Blacks moving into the cities in the 1960s. The problem is that somehow white parents are letting their kids adopt the underclass language, mannerisms, body markings, and recreations of the ghetto and the barrio.

The reason why good jobs are leaving both America and Europe is simply that a Chinese peasant has a better education and a better work ethic and better manners. If only things were as simple as getting rid of Mexicans. The "trashification" of whites is a primary problem.


E.

The reason US manufacturing jobs left was for one reason only; Cost of labor. Whoever wrote the article for Yahoo, is a yahoo. http://www.economist.com/node/21549956

I've been literally forced to have a cellphone, but I don't use it. Well, hardly ever. I think I've used it five times in the past six months, and only for matters of utmost importance. And, those several times I did use it, believe it or not, texting was my choice, but not texting like these morons text these days. Since I have a perpetual Kyooshtik on my shoulder at all times, I'm fastidious about my grammar, even whilst rarely texting. Another reason I text rather than talk, is the radiation from the cellphone. I'm not putting that thing to my head any more than I'd put my head in a microwave on defrost. As for computers, like yourself, this is the second I've owned, and I've had it almost seven years. Unheard of in this day and age when people are replacing electronic gadgetry nearly as quickly as companies switch CFOs and auditors.

The rest of your post resonated deeply with me and validated many of my own thoughts and sentiments on this subject. I agree with JHK about the wanking surrounding the subject of the singularity, but it doesn't mean the singularity isn't very real. Let me explain. I happen to be one of those people that feels confident the Jesus Christ of the bible is a fiction, but that doesn't preclude the effect of that fabricated existence. So long as enough people believe he existed, then he becomes as real as if he did exist. In otherwords, the idea of his existence shapes people's lives as the potter and his wheel shapes clay. So, when JHK says "the people attached are merely puppets of the phones" and you say "every day computers are finding people easier and easier to use," there's more truth in that than meets the eye.

There is sufficient evidence that exposure to electronics, or merely being born into an electronic world, literally determines the formation of your neural network. In otherwords, electronics have become the potter and the wheel, albeit created by us the clay, and now it's forming us in ways we do not fully understand. Something's taking shape. We have breathed life into our Pinocchio, our Golem. Considering that, perhaps our only salvation from the egregore we've set in motion is collapse. Maybe that's why most of us here are drawn to the concept. We know it's our only hope, and all the sidebars are just amusing filler as we patiently, or impatiently, wait for the four horsemen to clear the path back to Eden.

For anyone who cares - and anyone who thinks clearly - the simple facts are that the US governments all across the nation conspired to wipe out all rail form of rail transportation.

As long our governments use billions to support Interstate highway construction - we will never create infrastructure to make railroads competitive.

All you need to understand is the what the Interstate highway System did to the railroads - (all rail roads).... a repeat of an old topic

http://notesting9.wordpress.com/2011/02/22/saint-louis-union-station-1951-2011/

February almost over, 2012 passed without any significant doomsday occurring, and the dumb-ass stock market keeps flirting with 14,000. The super bowl is over, March madness, and baseball have yet to begin. The fiscal cliff came and went, sequestration is ready to do the same, and all the weenies in the media are looking like the know-nothing dunces they truly are.


Even JHK has run out of sufficient east coast New Yawk condescending disdain to rouse our emotions or even give us a chuckle. Waiting for the end of everything is such a bore when it doesn't occur--maybe we can have another war in the middle east or somewhere to break the monotony of our spoiled and pampered boredom.

Hey Budwizer there was no big government conspiracy to destroy the railroads in the US. Like JHK says about a lot of other things, the interstate highway system seemed like a good idea at the time. Ike saw what Hitler had done with the autobahn in Germany in the 30's, and liked it. Besides, automobiles were just so darned convenient. And gas in the 1950's was cheap, about .20 per gallon. As for the unforeseen consequences -- the basis of JHK's writing -- Ike and his engineers, in 1955, didn't have a crystal ball. And you must know, back in the day, around 1900, railroads were as hated by the intellectual elite as freeways are now. Read Frank Norris's 'The Octopus', an indictment of the SPRR, which owned most of Southern California at the time.

--ComradeDystopia

If you can't manage to keep a civil toungue in your head I doubt you will be welcome in any community of refined intellectuals. The special status of belonging to a group renowned for intellect and acheivement only goes so far and I rather think you have already pushed the limits of other people's tolerance.

In the spirit of the book "World Made by Hand" people solve their own problems. Witness the timely and much needed death of Demetrius Murphy of the Knockout King game and onetime St.Louis MO resident. (you anti-whites can go to DU or Kos to mourn)

So as Obama's kill whitey army gets ever more uncontrollable a response arrises, they get killed, its all good. Now what is the left going to do about this? Shriek "racist" at whites? Prosecute every white or asian that defends him or herself with Civil Wrongs laws? Maybe.

But hard control will eventually mean no control, and as a freedom loving American this is good news.

Newworld, are you referring to Farrakhan's speech in Chicago 2 nights ago, where he called for an army of 'gangbangers and thugs, to be taught the science of war, to protect what is ours'? It sounded like a call to arms to me, but so far I haven't seen it mentioned on the major news networks out of New York or Washington. Have you?

==CD

The special status of belonging to a group renowned for intellect and acheivement

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What a hoot!! This slippery and ambiguous group "renowned for intellect and acheivement" can't even spell achievement correctly. That's rich. And it's tongue, not toungue. Show me that word in Merriam-Webster, not thefreedictionary.

Shove off you imposter. You lost any credibility when you called me a Zionist. That says it all about you. All the intellectual achievement in the world is meaningless and valueless if the result is to chase phantom Zionists on the internet. You need to head back over to Information Clearinghouse with the other Zionist watchers, and quit sending hate mail to JHK.

Yeah I know that NOI has spawned some serious anti-white violent fanatics, but in a backhand way I admire their honesty. But the attacks in Chicago by black kids on whites and asians are directed by those black pols way closer to the center of the D party, not the NOI. So Farrakan is addressing the black on black violence of the neighborhoods Rahm Emanuel would love to ship to the suburbs.

Holder is the devil, Obama his enabler, and not a bit ironic Farrakan is conservative in some ways.

Hey Kids!,
Here's one for those who feel that importuning their gum'mint Overlords (adesquatio's owners) might result in a cessation of BAU and a definitive change in policy and direction.

http://www.clowncrack.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/The_Future_is_Dark.jpg

...And to think that we were under the impression that our largest puppets just needed more time in quiet, darkened solitude in order to form a clearer vision of the dirt road ahead for us lumpenprole...

One reason behind the failure of the political left is its arrogant disdain for local issues and local politics. Lefties in my, and probably your, communities can tell you every detail of every atrocity perpetrated over the last three decades on the five inhabited continents but have no idea how govt. works or who makes decisions where they live.

That's just not true, Nastarana. I know of many "leftists" who have been successfully fighting city councils/local ordinances in order to legalize backyard beekeeping to cite just one example. But I only happen to know they lean left on certain issued because I have talked with them

Beyond that, how do you know who is a "leftist" or not. Do they carry around a sign proclaiming "Proud Leftist Here!" or do you glance down at a Birkenstock label and put a check in the "L" column?

Here,

Nation of Islam made the news at sites like
Drudge and AnrgyWhiteDude, if I recall.

http://daily-download.com/msnbc-ex-obama-aides-a-bona-fide-organ-state-propaganda/

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This site wont let me cut/paste too much in one
post.....heres ther rest of what I tried to post:

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Front-yard-vegetable-garden-supporters-protest-at-Orlando-City-Hall/-/1637132/19078292/-/9d6xkz/-/index.html

and just 4 u:

http://www.alliancealert.org/tag/topic-sex-indoctrination/

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Peace peaceniks, to borrow a line from another
poster.
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Weasel zippers.com has leading news on 'Obongos
release illegals in detention'

Advocates reported “waves” of illegal immigrants being released from at least three detention centers in Texas, Florida and Louisiana.

I don't disagree, but I don't think that's fundamentally how it started. I think it started with good old Capitalist Betrayal: Companies moving to the 3rd World because labor was cheaper. No one cared until it started hitting the IT workers. The lower and middle classes had already been devastated. And then they started insourcing intellectual workers as they have agricultural workers and manual laborers. It's an all out disaster. And maybe this might have a demoralizing effect on our youth? I admit there were already strong degenerate influences at work, such as 60's hedonism and yes, the corruption that comes from wealth.

What's to be done? That's the rub. Sure we might lower our Corporate Tax rate and entice some Companies back to America, but would that make any difference now for ordinary Americans? Fundamentally, Americans and Europeans can only compete with coolie labor by becoming coolies themselves - which is why the Global Marketplace is a torrent of destruction. And why the tariff has always been and will always be one of the fundamentals of Nation Building and Maintaining.

In any case, engines require pressure to funcion. If you open the borders for goods and services, the whole thing begins to collapse. And if you treat YOUR OWN PEOPLE just like they were nothing more than Goods and Services, well the Nation is finished. You can't ask for Loyalty and then give none in return. In other words, the Political and the Economic spheres are intimately linked and cannot be separated. The East always knew that while we have pretended otherwise. Thus you can't allow business and industrial geniuses to just screw over a Nation and still have a viable Nation.

Japan intends to survive and is not opening its borders. They have a negative birth rate. So they are pioneering robotics and also inviting the Japanese diaspora to come back home. And their social system will change as their young men spurn the arrogant young women and refuse to marry. Countless young men have gone on strike over there - rejecting both the deadly Corporate Lifestyle and the spoiled young women. This is immensely healthy and will lead to an eventual increase in marriage and birth rates as the women capitulate to male demands. That's how it's done. You don't open the fucking borders! That's literally the same as taking a straight edge razor and stripping your skin off.

Yes, this Black Greek Irishman (haven't heard "Demetrius" since Victor Maturin as Demetrius in the Robe or was it Demetrius and the Gladiator?) was scum and deserved to die and die he did. No doubt he was secretly a good boy and about to get his life together. But who cares?

The DHS seems to be opting for Hispanics for their Army. This may be the great threat to White Americans. They are training with targets of ordinary White Americans who have refused to turn in their guns.

A Hate Crime in the making: the DHS targets White Americans.

http://www.infowars.com/dhs-contractor-apologizes-for-selling-shooting-targets-of-children/

Excellent post Vlad. Posts like these are why I continue to read you and why labels are so inadequate and feeble.

Like a spherical Venn Diagram there are many ideological overlaps among the 'differing' ideological groups.

It reminds of the three blind men who had their hands on different sections of the elephant, however weakly I recall it. One blind person holding a leg claims the elephant is like a column, while the other who is holding the head states, 'no, an elephant is a weird shaped ball'. The one holding the tail further disagrees and states that an elephant is actually a rope.

The point being, if the "blind" of the world open their minds and communicate they just might figure out that en elephant is far larger than any particular aspect they hold on to.

Incorrect assumptions (and forming plans of action based on them) are the very beating heart and breathing soul of a clusterfucked nation. Thereby shall we descend into ignorance and the darkest dreams of suicidal destruction.

"Got mit Uns" ...yeah, riiiiight.

This Bud's for you! Thanks for the link. What before and after pictures. And you are right. Highways and airports are all subsidized. Also, railroads had to pay huge property taxes, which was and is not the case for truckers and airlines. In some counties, the railroads paid 50% of all county taxes. I think the final nail in the coffin was when the government removed its contract for mail delivery from the railroads in the 1960s. This income was being used to subsidize passenger service. The bus mfgs. were getting municipalities hooked on busses by giving them away with free service contracts for just enough time to bury the streetcars. This also happened in St. Louis. A few cities, like San Francisco, were smart enough to reject the junk and so toady have a vibrant streetcar system.

Do you have any theories why there was such a concerted effort to sink the railroads and streetcars?

If memory serves me correctly, the last trolly to serve St. Louis was the Hodimont line, which was closed in 1969.

Woo Hoo! I know I said I didn't like the idea of DHS, but this sounds promising. Yeah, baby! They're coming to get you, Janos. Satan's coming 'round the bend. Go DHS! Get 'em.

Japan has never held itself out as the great melting pot like "America" has. And a melting pot doesn't necessitate assimilation. It means everyone melts into a new concoction that has synergistic qualities greater than any of the ingredients.

Not to mention, Japan's borders are water. It's an Island country. That poses a challenge for any Mexicans who might try to just walk into Japan.

Forget political posturing.
The bottom line is that the USA was built on $20 barrel oil. now it’s $100 barrel. That’s the real arithmetic of the fiscal problem. That’s what provided the hospitals, roads, bridges, city expansion; not politics. Cheap oil provided the year on year collateral for ongoing debt which climbed through billions into trillions. Politicians convinced themselves and everybody else that the American way of life could be forever.
Unfortunately to sustain that way of life has meant borrowing more and more money.
The nation is no different to any home struggling to maintain a standard of living, where pop doesn’t earn enough to support his family and has now reached the point of having to borrow money to pay off existing loans, while still pretending that life’s luxuries are still affordable and ‘sub-prime’ happens to other people. Debt cannot be cleared with borrowed money, and passing money around (job creation) doesn’t ‘kickstart the economy’.
The illusion of wealth was created by burning fossil fuel and calling it ‘GDP’. ‘Growth’ meant burning it faster. Every function of society depends on burning fuel, and our infinite demand has hit the wall of finite reality.
We have been living on a bank loan, convinced that we are rich. We are not. We are living on borrowed time and money. Our economic system is collapsing because we can’t maintain energy input but there is a mindless rejection of this fundamental truth

Do you have any theories why there was such a concerted effort to sink the railroads and streetcars?

The Interstate Highway System was never supposed to grow into the defacto transportation infrastructure for all commerce. Yet previously corrupted political processes were already spreading all over the nation with regard to US Highway routes and construction.

And of course, the model for all this corruption originated with the influience tied to picking railroad right of ways and simlilar real estate land grabs for business interests. And current bull shit regarding high speed rail is in spirit nothing but being about "the money."

All that is needed now - is to reverse course, and reset the table for railroads and fuck trucking and intersate motoring over. The railroad people can fix everything else is we quit supporting their competition.

Thanks for looking at Joe's place - http://notesting9.wordpress.com/2011/02/22/saint-louis-union-station-1951-2011/

If you really, really study the pics - you will notice how the trucking industry actually displaced not only rail yards, but the rail routes, that were taken and followed by I-state highways.

I know the Delmar Loop was the last area to support trolly lines. I kind of think they quite in '66 or '67 - could have been the Hodimont or Wellston or maybe DeBaliver. I do know I rode a few of them out of Wellston to Forest Park in '61 or so......

And I could also find traces of the Creve Coure line along Old Saint Charles Rock Road.


Ozone - post that Tommy Emmanuel link again if you would. Thanks.

No offense meant Ozone - you're a very good writer - but your writing style reminds of that "Gunsmoke" character Festus. It's so 'Festusized' that I have to dig deep through the inflection in order to arrive at the message...and some days I'm simply too tired:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8363Z3V0Es


Cost of labor is a major variable but this Yahoo article cited studies which showed that the US has lost its former edge in high-quality products. India bought a fleet of Sukoy fighters over F-18s. They found the Sukoys slightly more maneuverable than the F-18s at a 70% discount. China preferred to buy Norwegian submarines over ours. Norway is NOT a low-cost producer. Of course, we all know about the mass loss of business to the Japanese in the car industry and Japan is NOT a low-cost producer. You pay a slight premium to buy a Honda or Toyota versus a Chevy or Ford.

Defect rates in US products are rising because the workforce, being poorly educated compared to their Japanese, Norwegian, and other counterparts, make more blunders. Notaneo ... it ain't JUST cheap labor.

E.


I, too, like you and James, view the ubiquity of people "glued" to gizmos and gadgets as a kind of "end times" sign and I'm most assuredly NOT using that term in the religious sense since I'm agnostic.

The entire social realm now contains nightmarish, dystopian vistas like looking into a Starbucks and seeing a bunch of clones staring at their laptops. There's not one whit of exaggeration when I say that it's common to look into a Starbucks and see, say, ten people and eight are on laptops.

I have a series of photos with captions done by a friend of mine. One is labeled "A day at the beach" with four teens on a bench all looking at the cellphones and none talking. Another is unlabeled with three girls in the Stanford Art Museum sitting on a bench in front of a painting, all staring at their cellphones. There are EIGHT such pictures.

Einstein himself said: "I fear the day that technology will surpass our human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots." Brave New World has already arrived.

E.


Janos, see my reply to "Notaneoliberal" about the fact that Americans aren't just losing labor to China. Japan is not a low-cost producer of cars but they've won the car wars. Norway is not a low-cost producer of submarines but the Chinese preferred those.

Part of the trashification of white America can be viewed statistically in the book: "Coming Apart: The State of White America 1960-2010" by Charles Murray.

E.

That's because he loves himself more than the Truth. He's still a Fetus as you say. Yet I bet he believes in abortion - no loyalty to his fellow Americans. Yet the Fetus thinks he's good enough for Miss Kitty....

Thanks for compliment. No doubt you will soon be telling me how stupid I am again. In contrast, my mind never wavers about you. Even when I'm condemning you, I remember your good points of art and Pakua.

Carolonius Pornquist: "And a melting pot doesn't necessitate assimilation. It means everyone melts into a new concoction that has synergistic qualities greater than any of the ingredients.

Synergistic elements like the D.H.S.?

Carolonius Pornquist: "I'd rather support DHS in confiscating your land then live in a village with the likes of that.

Yup, Mr. Pornquist and his black brothers are really "melting right in" -- (not that we wanted that) -- to create New Synergistic Ingredients, diversity-assisted oppressive government agencies. The future blacks dream of: To round up White folks as thug soldiers for the Department of Homeland Security.

"Oh, come come now Julian. Does every word of every post have to boil down to race and race only?

Apparently you have not read most of my posts. I do talk about a variety of topics.

I only referred to race because you brought it up. (When you were telling us all about your unnatural lust for dark flesh, which is something that I don't know why you'd wish to tell us about.)

Carolonius Pornprig: "What a hoot!! This slippery and ambiguous group "renowned for intellect and acheivement" can't even spell achievement correctly.

Time for more spelling, punctuation, and grammar policing Ms. Pornprig. Better spend a lot more time on your posts now.

Good luck with your apple project.

I want to teach myself how to graft my roses. Is grafting a skill a person can hope to learn on their own, or ought I to attend some kind of workshop, if I can find one nearby? Can you recommend a good book on the subject?

"where people don't eat with knives and forks.

Sometimes Jim can't resist slurring the white country folk. (i.e. the most dangerous Gentiles.) The Attitude does rear its ugly head now and then in his writing, if you will, and reveal the contents of the New Yorker character, as it were. Point well taken.

"Like a spherical Venn Diagram there are many ideological overlaps among the 'differing' ideological groups.

O wow. Your knowing so many stuff!

It reminds of the three blind men who had their hands on different sections of the elephant...

Does it really remind you of that?

The point being...

How sophomoric. Doesn't every 19-year-old know the point of "blind men and the elephant" metaphor? You probably didn't realize that White mothers often read about the "Three Blind Men of Hindustan" to their 4-year-olds in a variety of childrens' books.

Now I get to have an upper class Brit twit tell me how lucky I am.

Sure, up until about 1978-80, working Americans had it good. Most anyone who exerted themselves could find some kind of employment, and most businesses back then, not all, but still, most, were still committed to making good products or providing excellent service. A worker who arrived regularly on time, did what was asked of him or her without complaint, and did not lie, steal or cheat anyone could pretty much count on being able to make a living. Supervisors were generally middleaged, persons of integrity and good practical intelligence. Most folks, in the sorts of town like where I lived, had gardens and even fruit trees, and put by some for the winter. Women made a portion of their and their family's clothing and home decorations themselves. We did not have malls or Wallyworlds, and MickeyD was just beginning to expand. It was a good deal. You obeyed the law, got along with your neighbors, and did your small part to keep things going and in return you got to have a good life, if not a lavish one.

As for being "superior", that is your word, not mine. I am simply a humble follower of those hardy and brave souls who have, for the past few decades, been laying the foundations for the rebuilding of our country on the basis of such old fashioned values as thrift, sense, frugality and self-reliance. There are many such souls, I doubt you would recognize them because they don't have resumes, don't dress for success, and the women are not cosmetically or surgically enhanced.

Your solidarity with working people lasts just so far as those people display a proper deference and show cultural conformity, that is, spend cash we don't have for the crappy products we don't need in order to keep the parasitic managerial types employed.

You don't care, neither do I.
As for what may come, I think you had better be prepared to accept that people need to do the tasks they know how to do. No more round pegs in square holes.

Lots of working folks have taken the trouble to teach themselves useful skills, and I think I can safely say that none of us will be available for fone answering or passing out leaflets.

Syrup season has arrived. Time to fire up the boiler. Ya'll can't live on the sweet stuff but it sure does make a fine mash not to mention pancake dressing. YE HA!

About social conformism my thought is that a dirty secret at the heart of much American enterprse in recent decades is that many of these top heavy enterprises must have universal participation to make a profit at all Note how the ins. industry insisted on universal ins. mandates. It is no longer, sell something the customer wants, but force the customer to buy what you sell. Social conformism is enforced partly by law--note the attacks on backyard gardens, recently--partly by mass media.

I am glad to hear it. I would love to be wrong about this.

Hi Bud,

By the way, my name is Frank Kling. It's nice to meet you.

As the name implies, the Laclede-Creve Coeur Lake RR originated at Laclede Station Road, ran through Rock Hill and Ladue, crossed Clayton Road then crossed Lindbergh Blvd. at the intersection with Conway Road, then crossed Spoede Road in Frontenac and continued on the lake. Many long stretches of the right away remain in tact along with RR markers and bridge foundations. I can still remember a steam locomotive crossing Spoede Road in 1967.

Do you think MoPac still owns the right of way? Why not convert this to a light rail spur?

I have fond memories hunting quail along the railroad in Frontenac where I grew-up. now I prefer to feed the birds and build/erect bird houses.

It's a shame when STL lost Anheuser Busch. The old man Busch was a true STL man, but his son was interested in only the MONEY, not STL traditions, although he could have had both.

then crossed Spoede Road in Frontenac and continued on the lake

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So, Frank, this is a Christian train?

:)

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

I don't do hate mail. But, your eagerness to believe the contrary, twisting of words and attitude of allowing yourself to spew out a level of vituperation which you would no way accept from anyone else are defining characteristics of the species.

I have always thought Farrakhan might be the reincarnation of Orestes Bronson.

Farrakhan, like the good Bostonian he is, reasons with impeccable logic from what I believe are deeply flawed premises,

I remember a TV interview in the late 90s in which he said he did not understand Black support for Pres. Clinton because he thought his community was not doing very well under the Clinton admin.

level of vituperation

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Excellent word. I think I'll use it sometime.

Apparently you forgot to take your Ensure today, and it shows.

No worries; offense taken.
You must mean the Festus-ation of the "Got Mit Uns" thang that is, in fact, of the highest order of Germanic-Speak for belt-buckle worshipers of the lowest order.
Here's a link:

http://www.germanhelmet.com/4092.htm

That should clear things right up! ;o)

LOL!
Oopsie, that would be, "NO offense taken"! (This is what happens with quick-edit "decisions".)
Sorry for the Faustian slip.... ;o)

Debt,
Which? The upcoming performance, or a clip of performance past? (I'll throw one out and you holler.)

Truly Amazing Grace:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niT2q0ElP4g

If you wish to skip the mini-interview, pull it forward to the 3:00 mark.

H'yar is he with some AWESOME kewl ensemble play that's almost a bit beyond sickness and disease!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQOA01LkFtQ

That shit just ain't right, I tells ya. (Plenty more stuffs to the right.)

As to the issue of arms sales, seems the US is getting an adequate share of the business.
Arms sales (agreements), by Supplier, 2004-2011 (in billions of constant 2011 U.S. dollars)
Supplier Total Sales in US Dollars (billions) Percent of total sales
Source: Richard F. Grimmett, CRS Report for Congress; Conventional Arms Transfers to Developing Nations, 2004-2011 , August 24, 2012

Notes: Percentages are rounded; Each country shown as follows:

developing countries
industrialized countries
If you are viewing this table on another site, please see http://www.globalissues.org/article/74/the-arms-trade-is-big-business for further details and context.
United States 220.608 44%
Russia 83.323 17%
France 41.96 8%
United Kingdom 27.037 5%
China 17.808 4%
Germany 22.068 4%
Italy 14.278 3%
Other European 48.259 10%
Others 27.109

Anyone listen/view/read Pepe Escobar regularly?

Just found a lengthy interview with him and am watching it now. He's being interviewed by some sort of fanatic as far as I can tell, but there's a lot of Pepe to hear. Check it out and weigh in, for those who care.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZe7fxQ0MpE

The answer is NOT simple at all and is not in yr bolded words.

The answer is quite simple: We've lost the work ethic AND the skills to work complex manufacturing jobs.

Germany is really stepping it up in the past several years, especially with the advent of the Merkel Doctrine. If the arms industry follows the same path as the auto industry, in a decade or two, Germany will be the leading exporter.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-weapons-exports-on-the-rise-as-merkel-doctrine-takes-hold-a-870596.html

Germany used to be extremely careful about where it exported its weapons. In recent years, however, Chancellor Angela Merkel has shown a preference for sending high-tech armaments abroad rather than German soldiers -- even if that means doing business with questionable regimes.

I've read Escobar in the past. He did an excellent series of articles about the elite buying up all the pristine wilderness in Patagonia. He's really stooping allowing himself to be interviewed by this nut job. What the hell? Here's the same nutter telling us Obama is the antichrist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLPRUKmrTzU

Pepe's scraping the bottom of the barrel for an audience, or else he digs this dunce's deranged message.

I hear you. I spotted the oddball mentality straight away. Not interested in his processing of Pepe's words. However, this guy reminds me somewhat of myself just three years ago. I had no clue about anything Real Politik, and still bought into the partisan drama on the news here. I'll admit I had a particular distaste for for what I understood as neo-conservatism; although, neo-liberalism is quite the bitch, too.

There's no doubt the US has some competition in this realm, but 44% is a pretty big chunk. Germany is starting to feel the pinch of a decline in demand for its' traditional big item- cars. The European market for Mercedes and Porsche is shrinking, so I guess the need a new strategy.

Beantown Bill, a few days back you posted about
some believing Jews control [hollywood? media?].
I forget the exact words.
Heres some facts to throw in the hopper:

Who Controls the Ivy League?
Brown University:
Ruth J. Simmons(Black) – President
David I. Kertzer(Jew) – Provost
Thomas J. Tisch(Jew) – Chancellor, Brown Corporation
Columbia University:
Lee C. Bollinger(Jew) – President
Claude M. Steele(Mulatto) – Provost
William V. Campbell(White European) – Chairman, Board of Trustees
Cornell University:
David J. Skorton(Jew) – President
W. Kent Fuchs(Jew) – Provost
Peter C. Meinig(Jew) – Chairman, Board of Trustees
Dartmouth College:
Jim Yong Kim(Korean) – President
Carol L. Folt(Jew) – Acting Provost
Stephen F. Mandel Jr.(Jew) – Chairman, Board of Trustees
Harvard University:
Drew Gilpin Faust(Jew husband: Charles E. Rosenberg) – President
Steven E. Hyman(Jew) – Provost
Robert D. Reischauer(Jew) – Senior Fellow, Harvard Corporation
Princeton University:
Shirley M. Tilghman(Jew husband: Joseph Tilghman) – President
Christopher L. Eisgruber(Jew) – Provost
Stephen A. Oxman(Jew) – Chairman, Board of Trustees
University of Pennsylvania:
Amy Gutmann(Jew) – President
Vincent Price(Jew) – Provost
David L. Cohen(Jew) – Chairman, Board of Trustees
Yale University:
Richard C. Levin(Jew) – President
Peter Salovey(Jew) – Provost
Richard C. Levin(Jew) – Chairman, Yale Corporation

Of the twenty-four(24) senior administrators of the Ivy League colleges and universities, twenty(20) are Jews or have Jewish spouses. This is a numerical representation of 83%. Jews are approximately 2% of the United States population. This means that Jews are over-represented among the senior administrators of the Ivy League colleges and universities by a factor of 41.5 times times, or 4,150 percent.


This extreme numerical over-representation of Jews among the senior administrators of the Ivy League colleges and universities cannot be explained away as a coincidence or as the result of mere random chance.

Bill, any thoughts about the conspiracy to get people to believe one small group controls
[media? ivy league?].


.

Sounds like more anti-German BS. The Germans have atoned for their sins and than some.

How about the North American Native People whose tribes were butchered into extinction, lands stolen, and whose tattered remains were relegated to concentration camps euphemistically known as, "Indian Reservations." This is a case of the victor writing the history books.

How about the 3 million Armenians dispatched by the Turks during WW I.

The list goes on and on throughout the history of mankind, but it's always easiest to focus on the losers of war.

"We have been living on a bank loan, convinced that we are rich. We are not. We are living on borrowed time and money. Our economic system is collapsing because we can’t maintain energy input but there is a mindless rejection of this fundamental truth." -EOM

Great post. Thanks for bringing it right back to the black blood that the machine must have to run.
(Draws the curtains aside on a LOT of nasty dealings because of it, doesn't it? Why do those terr'sts [tm GWB] insist on being terrifying while perched on top of all those oceans of petroleum?)

For me, this video was a concise elucidation of what I'm guessing is the real threshold for economic collapse. I do listen to people who argue that the can-kicking absurdity of American domestic economic policy can continue forever, and that there are counter-factual bits of evidence that speak to "recovery" to the dismay of Doomers like me. That said, I look for the broader global analyses that for my mind make the domestic debauchery a PSY War sideshow that goes poof the minute the petro-dollar ceases to rule the world. Pepe Escobar again for your listening enjoyment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ctPOn1afoY

"Anyone listen/view/read Pepe Escobar regularly?" -UFIA

Not lately, no; as of a few months ago, he seemed to be dealing more in speculation than reportage.

Thanks for the link. Hope to have a chance to check it tomorrow.

Sure! Probably a mix of old news for you, though.

Well...... thanks again then! :o)

Thanks! You posted something last week and then I couldn't find it. Saw him here in Santa Cruz earlier this month.

I work for Warner Brothers here in LA. If that helps your theory any.

Great satire. Skillfully subtle. I like it.

Hey Harvey! How's it shakin, bro? Keep sticking it to those Germans. The war never ends, it merely changes shape.

Great article James! Yes, the Netflix's House of Cards is a dark window into how Washington probably really functions. No one is paying attention to the problems, but just playing their own games. Excellent series, but so sad because it is true. They are cutting back education, science, and soon kids will learn about dogma in schools,and witch and demon exorcisms and trials will begin with state approval. PS!!!! Fluoride is a natural occuring element from mother earth, multiple independent studies from citizen science groups( Quackwatch.com, Csicop.org, childrenshealthcare.org) not Corporations show that it is safe and great preventive medicine. Do not let the con man destroy your health. Let us pratice, hello my Lord Sarah Palin.


Lucky13, I find your antisemitism to be offensive and an insult to our Jewish CFN host.

Heres some facts to throw in the hopper: Who Controls the Ivy League?
What you are presenting are falsehoods, not facts.

Brown University:
Ruth J. Simmons(Black) – President
David I. Kertzer(Jew) – Provost
Thomas J. Tisch(Jew) – Chancellor, Brown Corporation

Ruth Simmons is not Brown's President. Christina Hull Paxson is the President of Brown. Christina is not Black. The name Paxson originates in Berwickshire, England. Christina looks English, not Jewish.

Who controls the Ivy League? The Corporation is Brown’s primary governing body.  It consists of a 12-member Board of Fellows and a 42-member Board of Trustees. Out of the 54 Brown administrators, you have named two who are supposedly Jewish… or about 4%. Wooo hooo! Big conspiracy!

Columbia University:
Lee C. Bollinger(Jew) – President
Claude M. Steele(Mulatto) – Provost
William V. Campbell(White European) – Chairman, Board of Trustees
Columbia University has a 24-member Board of Trustees. You have identified one Jew, or less than 1%. Wooo hooo! Big conspiracy!

Cornell University:
David J. Skorton(Jew) – President
W. Kent Fuchs(Jew) – Provost
Peter C. Meinig(Jew) – Chairman, Board of Trustees

Cornell's 2012-13 Board of Trustees has 64
Members and 86 Emeritus Members.
You name three supposed Jews, or 2%.

I could go on. But what's your point? What if Jews did control the Ivy Leagues? Is that illegal? Is that immoral? What's the big deal?

Given the level of Jewish intelligence, achievement, and contribution to society we should be honored if it is true that Jews control the Ivy League institutions. They would be in good hands.

Of the twenty-four(24) senior administrators
of the Ivy League colleges and universities, twenty(20) are Jews or have Jewish spouses. This is a numerical representation of 83%. Jews are approximately 2% of the United States population. This means that Jews are over-represented among the senior administrators of the Ivy League colleges and universities by a factor of 41.5 times times, or 4,150 percent.

Your numbers are wrong and your mention of "Jewish spouses" is bizarre, and a bit frightening. Are you planning a final solution?

This extreme numerical over-representation of Jews among the senior administrators of the Ivy League colleges and universities cannot be explained away as a coincidence or as the result of mere random chance.

No, it is the result of meritocracy. In a meritocracy the cream rises to the top.

"Lucky13, I find your antisemitism to be offensive and an insult to our Jewish CFN host."

Why should we define Jim as a Jew. Don't he transcend that?

Is Jew-awareness the anti-semitism? Why should Jews have a no-talk rule around them?

CORRECTION

Columbia University has a 24-member Board of Trustees. You have identified one Jew, or 4%. Wooo hooo! Big conspiracy!

What if all 24 are Jewish. So what? What is your point?

Why not single out how many Ivy League administrators are left-handed? How is that useful information? How is "Jew-awareness" relevant? What is the point?

My parents are not the kind of Jews who pretend that they belong to the Swindon Hunt Club. They are cultural Jews, emphatically of the New York persuasion. A lot of yiddish slang is flung around, mostly for comic effect. "That forbissina face!" "What a farkokteh idea!" Anyway, Judaism is more about human conduct than eschatology.

--James Howard Kunstler, Home From Nowhere, 1996.

"Anyway, Judaism is more about human conduct than eschatology.

Definitamento.

But James rules.

Anyway, Judaism is more about human conduct.

What is the point of "Jew-awareness"? What is the point of Jewish-spouse awareness?

Jews can make all the Jokes they want - it doesn't chang the fact that they control the Media and Hollywood. A Joke is not an argument much less a proof.

Sure why not let Jews control Media, Hollywood, and Banking. It's not like they have an agenda or anything. And certainly they're not biased in faovor of their own group.

What agenda?

Are you not in favor of being biased toward your group?

"...being born into an electronic world, literally determines the formation of your neural network. In otherwords (sic), electronics have become the potter and the wheel, albeit created by us the clay, and now it's forming us in ways we do not fully understand. Something's taking shape. We have breathed life into our Pinocchio, our Golem. Considering that, perhaps our only salvation from the egregore we've set in motion is collapse. Maybe that's why most of us here are drawn to the concept. We know it's our only hope... -cn-

Despite my best efforts, "carol," you're starting to grow on me. This post of yours is excellent, and not just the part I quoted.

And I had to look up "egregore," for which I owe you thanks. Fascinating concept, and an interesting word, of which I had never heard.

Now, the fourth hit down the search page for the search word "egregore," returns the following quote:
"In many cases, the charge of "anti semitism" and "hate" are devious attempts to outlaw opposition to Tyranny. Let's not kid ourselves. We are facing a diabolical Evil, ruthless, vicious and cunning as well. Jews and non-Jews must join hands to banish Lucifer and declare that only God is God, He is Moral and we serve Him."
http://rense.com/general75/godthat.htm
This is interesting, carol.
I think we have something important to say to each other. And I think we both have reason to be respectful. The floor is open.

Go ahead. You too, bill of beantown.
This is vital stuff.

"Anyway, Judaism is more about human conduct."
-- JHK

"Our" "group" is humanity, homo sapiens... human beings.

No. Your group is the Department of Defense.
You're a worker bee in the Military-Industrial Complex. What do they pay you there anyway?
You're a compulsive liar, a fraud, and mentally ill.
You've even been trying to deny that you're asoka.
And you've got shit for brains.

"Our" "group" is humanity, homo sapiens... human beings."

Translation: Grandiose, disloyal, responsible to no one.

And it's not how Jim thinks.

Do you have the 7 billion to your dinner table nitely Mr. Magnificent?

Bor-ing. Un-real.

"How is "Jew-awareness" relevant? What is the point?"

"Jews never form alliances, networks, movements, or organizations to push their interests. A wealthy and well-placed collective acting in its interests while invalidating all other collectives -- is a non-issue. (And the sky is green.)"

I have hundreds of Muslim friends with whom I have lived, laughed, loved, and cried with.

Deal with it.

CORRECTION

I have hundreds of Muslim friends with whom I have lived, laughed, loved, and cried.

Deal with it.


What do means hundreds? Don't you mean hundreds of thousands? Aren't all Muslims your friends? If not, why not? There is no limit to the number of people you can love.

"I have hundreds of Muslim friends with whom I have lived, laughed, loved, and cried with."

You're not living with a hundred Muslim friends right now. Or crying with them. And what about the other 7 billion? You can't deal with them. Deal with it.

People who claim they are feeding, fucking, and fellowshipping with 7 billion people all the time make me laugh. Then what about the crores and sextillions and quadroopillions of other non-human beings that occupy grains of sand and such?

Get a life. Be faithful to somebody for real. Life is short.

The Egregore of the White Race is Odin. Serve Him and He will serve Us.

All of this is below the Level of the Real God. And there may well be gods or higher beings as well. These are important distinctions. Odin does not exist in the same way as these others do or the same way God does.

One fine way to worship Odin is to walk barefoot in the snow, offering up the pain to Him.

Do you have the 7 billion to your dinner table nitely Mr. Magnificent? Bor-ing. Un-real.


Do you have 1.5 billion white people to your dinner table, Mr. Jewish-aware? Bor-ing. Un-real.

Jews never form alliances, networks, movements, or organizations...

Quite a generalization revealing you know nothing about Judaism.

Thank you. You made me laugh again.

What is your point? What does your false claim have to do with your need for "Jew-awareness"?

"Quite a generalization revealing you know nothing about Judaism."

So your notion is that Jews never form alliances, etc.? That's quite the generalization, actually.

If one group is acting as a collective, more than any other groups, plus working to dissolve other collectives, it is absurd to have them on a no-talk list. You are absurd.

Nine year old rapper named Lil Poopy. Whas wrong wit dat?

Not so smart.

http://www.amren.com/news/2013/02/9-year-old-rappers-adult-themed-videos-prompt-state-probe/

"Do you have 1.5 billion white people to your dinner table..."

You can work to save and assist the 7 billion you really don't really care about (except as a device to bestow upon yourself a nimbus of New Age universalist virtue) -- I'll work to awaken the 1.5 billion folks of my race as they undergo genocidal pressures, thank you.

Don't know since I never heard of this guy. But he seems solid and it jibes with alot of other things going on. I think we might be in dire danger. I'll let you know if I see any confirmation and vice versa if you please.

If one group is acting as a collective, more than any other groups, plus working to dissolve other collectives

Another absurd giant generalization.

"Anyway, Judaism is more about human conduct."
-- JHK

Find me one place in Jim's writings where he supports your ridiculous claim that Jews are about "dissolving other collectives" ... you can't.

"Bor-ing. Un-real."

But the multiculturalist "I-am-fucking-and-feeding-and-loving-and-handsshaking-all-7-billion" fellow like you -- is the more typical and everyday type. Like, don't we see and hear hundreds of your type every week?

It's much more interesting and unusual to break Jew taboos and be blatantly pro-white.

Yeah, you are just boring as hell, guy. Not to mention having no people.

Janos, you are replying to adequatio. (dot) not to me.

Adequatio. (dot) is someone trying to increase noise and reduce signal.

Like, don't we see and hear hundreds of your type every week?

I certainly hope so. I hope the number is billions, from all possible collectives.

Judaism transcends collectives.

"Judaism is more about human conduct."
-- JHK

Judaism is human conduct, about humanity, not about a collective trying to "dissolve" other collectives.

And your rhetoric about white "genocide" is tired.

I'll work to awaken the 1.5 billion folks of my race as they undergo genocidal pressures, thank you.

How noble of you "to "awaken" 1.5 billion folks" to their own genocide. Usually people don't need such help to realize they are "victims" of genocide.

No one, except lunatic racists on CFN, cares much about genetic “extinction” of various “pure” ethnic groups via voluntary intermarriage.

Races are not stable entities. They are changing all the time. It’s been that way throughout history.

Marriages are voluntary, so the decline of whites to a minority population is obviously not genocide. But "white nationalists" -- who historically have held power and have historically had white privilege -- are now embracing victim-hood (boo hoo, cry me a river). It's hilarious.

I wonder where exactly one draws the boundaries on who is or isn’t ‘white’. White Nationalism in America is absolutely bizarre. Given America’s history, there seems to be no justification for it.

Meanwhile whites continue dependent on government assistance. There are more whites receiving welfare than any other minority group. Most food stamp recipients are White 63.7% and only 12.2% are Black. Some white genocide!

You want to help 1.5 Billion Whites? Start by getting them off the government teat.

Hey! How did the toilet bowl get filled to overflowing in the black and howling predawn hours??
Geeze, nobody even bothered to flush...

Zzzzing!
(Good one.)

Exactly the opposite. Adequatio is adequately flushing the detritus back down into the sewer where it belongs. You're outed. I believe your role here is to play racist-light, to slowly bring unwitting rebels into the fold with your faux opposition to Janos the rabid racist. Get that three off your hairy back. It's becoming.

No, Carol,
A./asoka is ENGAGING with assholes and nutcases, thus INCREASING the diarrheal output and stinking up the place, making scroll-over country of most of the blog. (You could term it: damn-near unreadable.) This is all purposeful diversion from the JHK milieu.
You ain't gettin' it, either by design or by neglect, myopia, or fecklessness ...and you're wrong about who I am and what my opinions represent.

"This is all purposeful diversion from the JHK milieu. You ain't gettin' it, either by design or by neglect, myopia, or fecklessness ...and you're wrong about who I am and what my opinions represent." -o3 to cn-

Agree, O3. (ah, poetry in the morning)

Ozone is a real person with real opinions. So, carol, if you are determined to believe that Ozone is here as a foil to make Janos believable, or whatever you are saying - - - Then the fault, and the paranoia, lies with you dear carol, and not with ozone, janos, JHK, or anyone else around this Cluster of Coitus.

Which Asian or African country do you want to open its borders to mass immigration of non-Asians or non-Africans? Your efforts at censorship are the very definition of genocide.

Are you anti-whites not ashamed to be perpetrating a genocide?

Anti-racism is a fraud dear, it means nothing more than being anti-white.

Basically if you are anti-white you are evil. Now why are you evil?

Looking at the bio I noticed that JHK has an agent for movie screewriting contacts. His writing would easily be adapted, it has that flow that meshes well with scene changes. But it violates the basic fantasy tenets of "diversity" since his book WMBH is all white, even the villains being white. I guess hollywood could fix that, but even they know that the satire called "diversity" does not sell very well.(someone tell American Idol to knock off the Star Wars bar scene and go get some pretty white girls who can at least sing country doodles).

As for gentiles grousing about hollywood being a jewish enterprise, so what if it is. Make your own or at least become a grown up with your critiques.

Somedays, this place feels like Shutter Island. Today is one of those days.

From the ‘zone:
Yep, a tragic and leaden irony at that.
My perpetually suspicious nature leads me to wonder if this limited-attention-span, self-referencing surrealism has been purposefully "installed", or if the providers simply found that it "sold well". (Perhaps I'm way off, and it's more of a mixture of both, plus an unhealthy dose glorification of reactive stupidity... a commercialization of what is perceived as hip and subversive.)

Ah, yes. The PSY War is real. Commercialized propaganda is effective. What fascinates me is that it is an academic past time as well as a multi-billion dollar industry. It’ll never be beaten (pardon the pessimism). And until those Metanoia folks put some material up that you linked to awhile back, I had downplayed the legitimacy of social science for as longs as I can remember, but it makes no difference if those fields are truly scientific or not. Perceptual manipulation is effective nonetheless. Here’s the profile of a man not as well known as good ol’ PT Barnum and Eddy Bernays but he was definitely a pioneer of Bull Shit perfection in the U.S. It’s not important reading, just a thought that we (the species) constantly study ways to screw ourselves as if it’s a noble profession. Maybe social science is just a double edged sword like the harnessing of nuke power, and no less valuable a field of study than is physics. If that’s the case then who to blame – the people who learn the tricks, or the ones that don’t? Downright Machiavellian, I say.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/331058/Harold-Dwight-Lasswell

According to 2010 U.S. Census data, blacks comprise only 12% of the U.S. population, yet make up 26% of SNAP recipients.
These figures are sometimes cited by conservatives to argue that blacks are “oversubscribed” in the food stamp program ...
49% of SNAP benefit recipients are white, and 20% of recipients are Hispanic.

http://carolynedgar.com/2012/01/17/food-stamps/
Carolyn, a Black Woman.

"Which would be worse? To live as a monster, or die as a good man?" - or a good woman?

So, carol, you have nothing to offer the thread this week except your desire to sic the DHS on janos and your fear of NASCAR and trailer parks, and such?

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"A mind is a terrible thing to waste."
-uncf-

"what a waste it is to lose one's mind"
-jdq-

(From the Britannica entry):
"In these and later works, Lasswell moved toward a moralistic posture, calling for the social and biological sciences to reorient themselves toward a science of social policy that would serve the democratic will for justice."

Now, being far TOO suspicious, I'd have to see what that interpretation of "justice" might be, and who it actually serves! ;o) (I know, that's just getting silly.)

Sounds like he did some very incisive work in a period of unprecedented historical upheaval, violent death and destruction. Thanks for the reference.
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As to this:
"Maybe social science is just a double edged sword like the harnessing of nuke power, and no less valuable a field of study than is physics. If that’s the case then who to blame – the people who learn the tricks, or the ones that don’t? Downright Machiavellian, I say."

I'd say so too.
Comparative value? Well, since, like physics, it's a construct of human inquiry that seems to have a large consequential impact on humans (although in the context of their social interactions), it would seem a very important area of study. The vetting of the data should be just as rigorous, although I'm not sure how that is possible, because we ARE talking about the human beast after all. ;o) (The consequences of psychopathy/Authoritarianism are even larger [than in Lasswell's time] in this age of instant dissemination of "information".)

The uses to which this info. is put?
Always expect the worst, and death to Madison Ave. ;o) ("It's not just an advertising job, it's a constant exercise in hiding real motives!")

Hi, O3. During my forced 2-month hiatus, I perused many other collapse websites. I was appalled at the level of anti-Jew commentary. I think I learned how widespread hatred is in this country. Since this a blog about contraction and most likely collapse, I can't help feeling that if collapse occurs, how are people going to get along, particularly at a time when cooperation is most necessary? In this sense, I believe racial/anti-semitism is a valid topic for this blog.

I know this stuff isn't your main concern about the future, but you won't be able to disconnect from it should bad times come. There'll ultimately be a situation where events will force you to take a stand, no matter how strong your desire to focus on other survival issues. Sorry.

As for me, I got to think about a bad future, because what will happen to me and my family when some disaffected asshole with influence starts blaming the Jews for all our problems? That I have always gone merrily on my way not thinking about world conquest, conspiracies and general trouble-making, will become irrelevant.

Recently, I’ve been forced to reconsider my non-use of the popular social media for purposes of job seeking after graduation. Specifically, I dread and avoid if at all possible sites like twitter, FB, and whatever other similar time wasters. They just feel like hellish vortices from which one can never escape. I like not being a slave to meaningless status updates, keeping up with innocuous trends, and all the while never actually learning anything genuine about one's “friend(s).” I can walk away from the internet without the agony of wondering if someone “liked” some silly shit I posted, or if some troll’s cowardly remarks deserve response and punishment. However, conventional wisdom says, “Get a facebook, twitter, linkedin, i.e. whore-yourself-account. It’s the only way to network in today’s marketplace.” A girl from class, who was presumably trying to flirt, couldn’t stop raving to me about her savvy with social media, and why I should “friend” her; these the lyrics that began playing in my head as she sang her spell:

“Relax,' said the night [girl], 'We are programmed to receive.
You can check-out any time you like,
But you can never leave!”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtxyKXPQ_W0

So none of it is true? Jews have zero responsibility for any of the hatred against them? Jews have never done anything wrong? Everytime they've been kicked out of a Gentile Country, they've been 100% innocent and Gentiles 100% guilty?

Yes, Yes, Yes? If so, you are a consumate asshole.

So genius, if they are in control of Hollywood (and they are), why do they deny it? Are they ashamed? They should be.

And there's nothing wrong with one small ethnic group (the Jews or anyone else) controlling the media either, right? I mean after all, it's just the nervous system of the Nation.

So we should just "get our own" Media or Hollwood? Well the Jews opened our borders after decades of hard work and using gentile front men. I guess we should get our own country now too.

You have outed yourself. You are part Jewish or married Jewish? Or a nutcase Evangelical? And yes, Jews are very interested in taking over White Nationalism - just as they have Conservatism and the Anti-Jihad Movement in Europe. Once you are on both sides of an issue, you can move it any direction you want.

So how does it feel to be smeared - just as you have done to me countless times? It's amazing the shit you've gotten away with here with nary a word of protest from anyone.

It's a valid topic in the sense that obvious racial bigots should be opposed at every turn, this blog included. Where were you when Janos, one of the favored racists here, the alpha racist, was posting links to the protocols? How could you let that slide. I'm not even Jewish and I'm fighting this battle for you now, so you we don't have to fight it later, and yet you have not even addressed me on this blog. You've avoided me like the plague. Any self-respecting person of Jewish heritage would appreciate what I've done, rather than ignore me to stay in good graces with a den of scumbag racists. I smell a rat. I find it hard to believe you're Jewish. Have you been designated the role in this little game of token Jewish guy? It sure seems that way. I'm not buying it. Your reaction to all of this is not normal. It doesn't add up. Instead, it adds down.

You haven't noticed I trust, that the Jews are united in their desire to disarm us? And when Conservatives pointed out that some teachers in every Israeli school are armed, they Israelis immediately denied it in solidarity with the American bretheren.

Now that the loyalty we get back after all we've done for them. But that doesn't bother you, does it?

I don't think I ever did that, though I've made reference to them. If I did link to them, it was long ago before you are supposed to have been here.

Illustrative story: students keep getting things stolen in gym class. Girl playes detective and hides out in a locker with her cell phone camera. Films Gym Teacher rummaging thru student's bag. She takes the video to the Principle, and he tells her that he'll look into it but in the meantime, DELETE THE VIDEO.

Shades of the Catholic Church with the Bishops sitcking up for the Pedophile Priests. They were all in a Club together - and the parishioners were "the other". Same thing here: the Principle and the Teachers are in a Club and the students are the other, the marks, the sheep.

There is no Center anymore, anywhere.

http://gma.yahoo.com/california-student-catches-alleged-thief-on-camera--a-teacher-015412679.html

Good ad by Prog's group, Numbers. Lindsay Graham said there is a labor shortage in South Carolina, which has an employment rate of 15.8% - no doubt much higher in actuality. This traitor is also one of the gang of eight and is also up for reelection.

https://www.numbersusa.com/donate/5

"students keep getting things stolen in gym class. Girl playes detective and hides out in a locker with her cell phone camera. Films Gym Teacher rummaging thru student's bag.

Oh my. Another African American misbehaving? They probably raised the Gamma to lighten the entire picture and confuse the race. But even with the heavy pixelation it looks like the case.

All the news is between the lines now, like in Soviet Russia.

Stop looking for conspiracies and calm down,Carol.

I don't know how long you've been observing this blog, but ask anyone here how much I've fought anti-semitism on CFN and I believe you'll get an earful. I've gotten into some royal, long drawn out battles on this site. E and I are on the outs, Procon & I had several extremely heated discussions (but I'd like to think we're pretty much ok now), among others, and Vlad and I have insulted each other countless times.

My free time is now fairly limited, so I can't respond to everyone's comments. Tomorrow I'm taking my longest vacation since 1987 - three weeks -and if I don't straighten out an ipad issue I've got, then I'm off-line for the duration.

I know I can safely say that my experience with anti-semitism is probably greater than any other CFN blogger, unfortunately. I am not avoiding you like the plague, I appreciate you're support.

"...what will happen to me and my family when some disaffected asshole with influence starts blaming the Jews for all our problems?"

Hmm. Can they be blamed for anything that they actually do do? Or they on a no-blame or blameless list for you?

If so, why are Jews on a blameless list in your head?

When did this irrational condition first begin?

"Or are they on a no-blame or blameless list for you?"

Vlad, your logic is so flawed that it's laughable, and so I feel like I need not respond in detail. In any event, you were so preoccupied with the word, "asshole", you never even noticed that you mispelled "consumate". For your erudition, it's spelled consummate.

Consummate has several meanings. The one most commonly used is to satisfy one's desires by sexual intercourse. Are you really trying to tell me you'd like anal sex with me (sorry, but I'm straight), or were you looking in the mirror when you wrote that last sentence?

Actually, YOU posted there was a 'conspiracy'
[anti Semetic]. You offered NO facts.

I posted a great deal of facts.

You ignored them and continue to whine about
'hatred and anti semitism'.CHECK MATE.

[And its 'your' not 'you're support'].

"Judaism is human conduct, about humanity, not about a collective trying to "dissolve" other collectives."

You've obviously not looked at the Torah or Talmud much. Judaism, if you look at their scripture, is about a people who considers itself superior to all other peoples, and is commanded to enslave and even wipe out the other peoples by their god. And that's just getting started.

Accumulated Correspondence

A Response to Piper Michael:

Any time those wimmenz wants to thrust their breastuses in my face, they should come to my mobile Breast Examination booth conveniently located in Monument Circle in the heart of Injunapolis, Injunana. Those of you with breastuses and a penusk will get a referral to the Redi-Med.


A Response to Julian C. Niggerhater:

As if Halle would have anything to do with yo' monkey ass.
HAHAHAHAHAHA....

Yes, I now see that you are a "proper" New Age....person.


A Response to O3:

MEANWHILE, back in Chicago...

I feel so bad
Feel like a ball game
On a rainy day

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7irjm98FZxQ


A Response to Beantown Bill:

Damn, William. Been a while. I hope everything is OK.

Now, about dem Jooz...

I believe that you are right in assuming that the united Snakes are about to round up "the usual suspects". Aren't Jews the traditional scapegoat in the Western World? Let us not speak of Ol' Man Kennedy controlling Hollywood film media in previous generations. How long did it take before we got to see the newsreels of riots of the last economic depression? Honestly, I think that it is high time to bring FRESH WATER into the settlement question.

For those that have not yet seen it, here is a link to a recent Noam Chomsky speech about "Public
Education and the Common Good".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TLZN92-dZo

I hope that I am as intellectually nimble as The Gnome at his age. IF I get to that age. When Howard Zinn died, I stood out on my apartment balcony yelling "HOWARD IS DEAD!" The assembled denizens were about to call the Sheriff's Department. Not a clue.

Yeah, Bill. It looks like Europe in '38.

As your lawyer, I'm going to recommend the Grey Goose vodka.

Another?

"Any self-respecting person of Jewish heritage would appreciate what I've done, rather than ignore me to stay in good graces with a den of scumbag racists. I smell a rat."

So now you find out how Jews view blacks. Have you lived your life under a bushel basket?

It's a valid topic in the sense that obvious racial bigots should be opposed at every turn, this blog included.

Carol,

I'm not so sure about that. Some of the racial bigots on this blog you wouldn't give the time of day to in real life. I mean, at least one of them is about as visually impressive as a geriatric weasel.

These folks are psychic vampires;they thrive upon your reaction. Don't give em any blood and they'll drown in the shit of their lives.

Of course you can blame Jews for anything you like. BUT, why blame them specifically? Why don't you blame other groups for their faults as well? Whatsa matter? You not an equal opportunity blamer?

"Have you lived your life under a bushel basket?"

Have you?

xhalor: "A Response to Julian C. Niggerhater:

"Niggerhater" is your word, Fellor.

I have actually ever called blacks, whether individually or collectively, the word 'nigger" whether in childhood, youth, or adulthood.

I was taught it wasn't nice. Whites like to be nice, even to the point of extreme self-abnegation, you see.

I also don't "hate" blacks as a group, even though there are probably reasons one should at this point.

Get an issue, Fellorious Munk.

"I have actually (n)ever called blacks,...

I will say there is some black music playing in this coffee shop the past hour and it is really driving me nuts. Awful stuff.

True. That's why I give them ketchup, instead of blood.

By the way, that was an excellent description. Your prose was superb.

Holy shit Assoka, I mean "Carol";

Yer a typin' machine!

"Have you?

I have lived in black neighborhoods, walked through them many a time including late at night, raised mixed black-white son. I was for 13 years a highly active member of the multi-cultural black-white race-mixing religion "The Baha'i Faith" -- attempting to expiate my Jew-engineered white guilt. I have lived with a black family, with and a black friend, had a great many of black friends from youth on up (starting with the hippie "Johnny Junebug" who frequented the rock concerts in Greenwood Park, Des Moines), have had my wife raped by a black, had things stolen from my house and car by blacks, and have had my girlfriend (Sue Searles), murdered by the black serial killer Coral Eugene Watts. (He held her head in a water pot outside her apartment to make sure she was dead, then buried her in a nearby vacant lot.)

You're the anonymous "xhalor." You're living under a bushel basket right now.

Ditzweed.

"Your prose was superb.

Your repetitive use of words like "prose" is tedious. The mummery of you two praising each other is transparent. And his writing is not superb to the eyes of a white man.

Hey, X, glad to hear from you. I'm ok. You ok?

For some reason, I prefer Stoli's to Gray Goose, although GG is incredibly smooth. Although, if I were stuck on a small desert island with Kate Upton, I could care less which brand I had.

Gotta go for awhile. Talk to you later.

As your lawyer, I'm going to recommend the Grey Goose vodka.

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Grey Goose is an excellent vodka, but it is ridiculously overpriced. Instead, let me suggest Luksusowa. It's a triple distilled potato vodka produced in Poland, and it's easily half the price of Grey Goose yet, imo, an even better vodka.

I kicked Batman's ass.

"Of course you can blame Jews for anything you like.

But that would be irrational. Instead, they should be blamed for the things for which they are to blame. Doesn't that seem more sensible?

BUT, why blame them specifically?

Do you blame people and things non-specifically?

Why don't you blame other groups for their faults as well? Whatsa matter? You not an equal opportunity blamer?

Because no other group, as a group, has more influence and has more for which they are to blame.

That's what inevitably happens when you successfully place yourself on a "no-talk" list and place a "no-talk" rule around yourselves, and you have idiots willing to accept this and who view any criticism of that group as "beyond the pale" for decade after decade.

Such a group ends up doing whatever they like and making worse and worse depredations. This is logical. You would do the same if you were on some no-talk list and no-blame list. You'd become corrupt and do many bad things.

Speak about the Jews for their own good.

....and here is some more from Garry. Time for a full-on rebuttal James :)

http://www.garynorth.com/public/10717.cfm

I was never into Batman so I don't really get your malfunction, Fellor.

I knew it sounded too familiar. "Gary North" is obviously a pseudonym. Being of Irish descent myself, I know the philosophy of the O'Douche Clan when I hear it.

If you check with the regional Bishop, you will undoubtedly find that his Baptismal name is "Bag".

Carol, I agree it is important to counter antisemitism.

The good news is antisemitism is declining. Those who promote such views on CFN are in the minority. Polls and studies point to a steady decrease in antisemitic attitudes, beliefs, and manifestations among the American public.

Percent of American with antisemitic views

1964 = 29 percent
1992 = 20 percent
2005 = 14 percent
2011 = 15 percent

The sources of this data are surveys by the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith.

Eventually antisemitism will decrease even further, below the 14-15% plateau we seem to be at now. The younger generations are not having any of it: neither antisemitism nor racism.

The reality is it is a mixed up world. No force on earth can reverse what the power of love is achieving. I feel sorry for white nationalist fools and their antiquated, doomed efforts to separate the races.

"Carol, I agree it is important to counter antisemitism.

Irrational statement.

Translation:

'I agree that Jews should never be spoken about, never criticized, and that they can do no wrong.'

The Jews-Can't-Be-Crriticized Religion always puts us in absurd messes.

Retooling the statement for truth:

"The reality is it is a mixed up world, except in the case of Jews, who believe in tribalism and peoplehood. No force on earth can reverse what their ethnic solitary is achieving, i.e. the destruction of unique peoples and nations. I feel sorry for the people who want to preserve their people and their antiquated, doomed efforts to keep the races from merging into one brown distinctionless mass."

Addendum:

The opposite of "separation" is, I guess, mergence; congealing. His statement begs the question:

How many individuals -- of any race -- do you merge with and congeal with on a daily basis? Have you considered writing your story up for a sci-fi screenplay?

Next question:

How many individuals do you plan to congeal with in your life, and how big will this blob become before you lose interest in being a congealed protoplasmic blob of bodies?

Third question: Do you believe that you will even be able to say "hello" to each of the 7 billion, much less merge with them, in your lifetime? Most will die before you even get to them. And if you could, what good would there be in that?

History has shown that wherever antisemitism has gone unchecked, the persecution of others has been present or not far behind.

Defeating antisemitism must be a cause of great importance not only for Jews, but for all people who value humanity and justice…

"History has shown that wherever antisemitism has gone unchecked, the persecution of others has been present or not far behind.

History has shown that the Jews have been expelled from a wide variety of non-Jewish nations, under a variety of kings and queens -- total of 109 times. It resulted in the Jews living elsewhere.

If you get kicked out of one bar, it might be there fault. If you get kicked out of 2 bars, it might be something to do with you. If you get kicked out of 109 bars -- it's definitely something to do with you.

The 109 expulsions also resulted in those peoples and nations getting their nations back.

In a more recent case it resulted in work camps for Jews -- far more humane camps than the Bolshevik variety in Russia -- and the creation of Israel. Zionists worked in collaboration with the Germans to get Jews to relocate to Palestine. The work camps were used as a threat to coerce that relocation (See "The Transfer Agreement") -- and a handy way to prune yourself of bad genes and bad characters. Nobody suffers a real genocidal event and is in the catbird seat everywhere, as a people, a few decades later.

"but for all people who value humanity and justice…

I guess you are not aware of the Jewish treatment of the Palestinians. Jews are not an example of humanity or justice. How could that be considering the texts that are at the core of their religion?

You, my co-poster (I can't say friend, because you aren't), have fallen under the influence of historical distortionism and anti-Jewish rhetoric.
So anything you say is of questionable value.

The study of one country's history can take up a scholar's entire career. Making blanket statements about 109 countries is uncritical thinking, which of course has led our present civilization to its current straits.

If I were you, I'd reference the source of your statement, and if true, present a detailed study as to why Jews were thrown out of each. Otherwise, your statement is just anti-semitical blather (which is why throwing out such information is unwise).

Carol,
The real irony is many of these racial obsessive’s go scapegoat hunting while they simultaneously preach the ethos of ‘by thy own bootstrap’. And the end of the day it’s an incoherent message of personal responsibility and victim-hood; free will versus determinism.

In other words, non-white victims of systemic racism need to yank a little harder on their boots; while delusional whites suffering imagined exploitation from Jewish bogeymen are entitled to structural change.

It’s the height of disingenuous hypocrisy.

"The real irony is many of these racial obsessive’s go scapegoat hunting while they simultaneously preach the ethos of ‘by thy own bootstrap’.

I guess it would take a "Buck Stud" to see irony there. My friend who raised chickens always felt he had to get the varmint out of the chickencoop, plus feed the chickens too. Where's the conflict.

The "bogeyman" I hear about 24-7 is the white man, btw. We're all pretty sick of it. Even Mr. Kunstler raises up the "white bogeyman" regularly with his concoctions like "cornpone nazis." Everybody out in the countryside is a potential Nazi -- yada yada.

You're a cheering section for Jewish paranoia (not-to-say nuanced, if you will). I guess you're saying there is no value in work, and meanwhile nobody should criticize your erstwhile advocate-of-convenience, the Jews. Yeah, "bootstrap" talk is just whites congratulating themselves. As for you, we're supposed to just give you the stuff. So post something new that we didn't already know, Big Pud.

Here you go moron - get an education you bum.

http://dictionary.sensagent.com/consumate/en-en/

For you and the (vast majority) of the Tribe, the score is always Jews 100 and Gentiles 0. And any Gentile who accepts or acquiesces to this just shocks me. And when a man of Newworld's intellect surrenders his integrity like this, it's unbearable to me. Look folks, it's real simple: either our ancestors had good reasons to do what we did or we are the scumbags the Jews think we are. And New World chose the Jewish/Anti-Gentile point of view.

NewWorld just spat in our faces and pissed on the graves of his ancestors. I expect Liberals like Dale to betray his people, both living and dead. But a White Nationalist?

I don't say Gentiles have always been 100 right in their treatment of the Jews. That would be an absolute and absolutes are seldom seen in human experience. But that's what Bill claims for the Jews. How can anyone of good faith and commonsense let them get away with it? If we do, then they'll go the next stage of speech codes and criminalization. No? Go to Europe. Canada tried but they recently suffered a defeat in their hate crime effort.

"If I were you, I'd reference the source of your statement, and if true, present a detailed study as to why Jews were thrown out of each.

Going to the store is going to the store. Getting fired is getting fired.

They won't approve of your minimizing their expulsions and sufferings, Gentile. From their media platform the Jews point to persecutions themselves, lachrymosely, 24-7 in case you had not noticed. They would probably place the number at higher than 109. Perhaps 109 every day, or every hour.
Now you want to minimize Jewish sufferings?

You can always be trusted for your knee jerk reflexes. Now think: what should White victims "do"? Too bad about Demetrius Murphy, huh? Goin' to the funeral?

Yes alot of Asokas showed up a few months ago. Strangely now Adequatios are starting to show up.

If memory serves, Cass Sunstein's program allows agents eight identities. Or is it more?

It’s the height of disingenuous hypocrisy.

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Yes, it is. It's patently absurd. I keep telling myself that this can't be real. It must be a joke because it's too nonsensical to be true. If people like this really exist, and we're to make a world by hand in a small village with them, it's not happening. The only thing that's going to happen by hand, if this is the village, is strangulation, or snapped necks. How long could we stand being in physical proximity with antagonistic vermin like this? All of a couple seconds, I'd say, before all hell broke loose.

"If people like this really exist, and we're to make a world by hand in a small village with them, it's not happening.

When's the last time you wanted to live in a village? When's the last time you made anything by hand?

"The only thing that's going to happen by hand, if this is the village, is strangulation, or snapped necks."

That's already available to us White folks daily and nitely.
http://topconservativenews.com/

Nothing to lose by finding some fault with White neck-snapping.

"How long could we stand being in physical proximity with antagonistic vermin like this?"

You already sed you were going to be with Janet
Napolitano's D.H.S. taking evil whitey's stuff -- not making things by hand. So just long enough to take the stuff. No worries.

Are we all, here in this forum, willing to be honest with both ourselves and others, concerning the invasion and spammification of multiple sock puppet aliases?

I'll start out by admitting, unequivocally, that I'm only me, myself and NoMor. And that's only because of my 2 operating systems (Windoze/Linux), and a lack of memory concerning passwords (given Linux email only)...

How many of you others, with 4-10+ aliases, are willing to *COME OUT* of the closet? Anyone?!?

Hahaha! I thought *NOT*!!! Your banter has become less that amusing, for the past few months...

I finally figured out what I like about you; it's your economic posts:reasoned and logical. In fact, it's you reaching back into your liberal past.

Turn around Vlad, it's not too late to backtrack. And if you do start to get lost on your return to sanity, notice the broken twig with a hanging message: Logic to the left.

You may be taking too many blows to the head in training. Your thinking is very fuzzy. Blacks don't like you Buck. They may not like us but they will respect us. And you can't ask for much more from Blacks.

The more I went to the Right, the farther Left I went. If you go far enough West, you get to the East. Life isn't the square you think it is, Buck. It's round - and it has more than just two dimensions, so let's say a sphere, almost like the sphere of Tai Chi.

Do you ever take public transportation? Ever see someone being scoped out for an attack? I'm sure you're able to read the lines of force in the predator's eyes. Now studies show that if you warn the potential victim, they will not believe you but become afraid of you and not the would be predator. Liberals (you) are like this. You don't feel threat - except from your own people who warn you of threat. And you hate us for interfering with your warm fuzzies for non-Whites.

Do you deny without hestitation, reservation, or crossed fingers that you are not Xhalor?

As we exited the building, Marianne, Kathy and Mom could be seen conversing several hundred yards away in the parking lot. It was cold and damp, and the light mist-like precipitation that shrouded us annoyingly coated my glasses, forcing me to squint to see between the proximate drops of condensation adhering to the lenses. I need Prelex, but the fifteen to twenty grand is difficult to justify when other more pressing needs are in line before it. I suppose I’ll have to wait thirty more years for cataract surgery covered by Medicare. Yeah, right, as if Medicare will still be a viable program by then. As if this will still be a viable planet by then.

It was gloomy and depressing, especially after that visit. A subtle but offensive odor alerted my olfaction, and an odd metallic taste settled in my mouth. Perhaps the trapped air from the low was concentrating the industrial pollutants as is characteristics with weather systems such as this. Whatever the case, it was nasty and noticeable, and unlike any pollution I had experienced heretofore. I sure hope this clears in time for Tim’s wedding in Tom’s River. The forecast indicates it will, but you know how that goes. An ominous prelude, nonetheless.

This was atypical weather for the second week of July in the Northeast. A blast of Arctic cool air in the form of a low had stalled for a day or two, and cold air was trapped at the surface with thick cloud cover serving as an SPF 1,000 sunblock. The highs and lows during this occurrence were practically equivalent, hovering in a range of fifty-five to sixty degrees. We didn’t pack for this. The weather just days before was record high temps. High nineties during the day and middle seventies during the night. The cloud ceiling was very low, and visibility was greatly reduced.

We battled on and off rain all the way here from Manhattan. The weather coupled with the traffic made the drive an exhausting challenge for someone who takes their driving seriously. Why people can’t go the speed limit or greater, I don’t understand. If you can’t hack it, then don’t drive. Leave it to those who can, and we could eliminate much of the traffic. That, and make it a requirement to ship most things by rail rather than truck. The truck traffic on the highways these days is absurdly hazardous. It is insanity.

It was our fourth visit to Manhattan in six years. I love New York! Yes, that’s cliché, but it’s true. I guess I should say WE love New York. Gwen, Robin and Sean are equally enthusiastic and appreciative of our pilgrimages to the Big Apple. This year did not disappoint. We decided to drive in versus take the train from Philly’s 30th Street station. We approached Manhattan at approximately ten o’clock in the evening. The view was spectacular. City at night. City of lights. We used I-78 to the Holland Tunnel, and once in Manhattan took Water St. south toward the financial district where we picked up FDR Expressway. We took FDR around the Southern tip of Manhattan and proceeded north up the East Side to the Marmara apartment hotel at East 94th St. Unfortunately, I didn’t get to experience the view like the passengers. I was often distracted navigating the bustling New York traffic, but I did sneak glimpses here and there, and that partial satiation was enough to make me anticipate an exciting stay.

"Do you deny ... that you are not Xhalor?

He's a good copy, indeed - but not *ME*. (and I think that "rhymes")

Me thinks you are a consortium of sock puppets - what say you?

I admitted I'm not Xsmoker. Can you *ADMIT*?!?

Thought *NOT*!!!

PS - love how anti found (his)her old *ALIAS* again!!!

"Procon & I had several extremely heated discussions (but I'd like to think we're pretty much ok now)" -btb-

Bill, you have taught me a lot.
Your tribalism is magnificent.
I thought I understood tribe - because I offer my allegiance to my extended family - and expect the same in return. But, I never thought that extending allegiance to an unknown stranger on the internet (mika) was a wise idea.

My "tribe" is, perhaps, 200 blood kin. And many of them I hold at extreme arms length, knowing their foibles, faults, angers, and weaknesses as I do.

You, on the other hand, subscribe to a tribe of millions; and people whom you have never met, except on the internet, subsume your loyalty, fealty, and pledge.

I don't understand that.
I do NOT believe it is a good thing.

Because, to me as an "American," country comes first, religion (Christianity) second, and my tribe (scotch-irish/british/European/white??) is looked upon by the mainstream as antiquated at best, evil at worst.

So, yeah, we're OK, bill.
We could meet together, work together.
But you have taught me something.
And it has changed me.

Here Janos -
This chick will get you aroused.
There's an interesting, individual, and intense koran burning, about 1/2 way down the website - if youtube hasn't taken it down.
http://barnhardt.biz/
If we're all gonna' tribe-up, bill, then this girl is my part of my tribe. How far do you think I will defend her - and why not "to the death?"

How did you find her? Very intense, a flame of fire. She reminds me of Reverend Phelp's daughter - the same burning quality. I like her brand of Catholicism, but frankly I'm amazed you are not repulsed. What is your attraction? Her character? I love the way she gives directions to her home!

As far as being a good lover, well I doubt it. The ferocious intellect and will would take away from that I think. I do like the red hot librarian types, but she is a far cry from that. Not bad looking at all, but not a shred on sensuality that I detect. But yes, admirable - and probably very hard to get along with unless you are a Very observant Catholic. More insightful Catholics doubt Benedict's Orthodoxy. But who knows? Maybe we are all in for a shock as she thinks. Another trait of her type is intense loyalty - this may be blinding her. Benedict has appointed pro-gay creeps to very high positions.

I'm going to write her about the Talmud. She needs to know that Judeo-Christian is a nonsense phrase. But she has the goods on Islam! Adequatio: quack all you want. She was just reading what's there.

The Illusion of Politics

I was reading that Belgium was without a government for 2 years or so and their economy actually got better: that makes me think at how little governments, politics and laws really influence the economy, it seems to be mostly an imaginary mind game, imaginary battle lines over laws and regulations and rules that are supposed to have this or that effect on the economy and such. But mostly all of these changing of rules and laws really is hiding the fact that someone, some group wants to gain an advantage against some other group, someone wants to change the rules to grab more and take it away from someone else who will lose according to the new rules and such (politics is always a win lose situation even though everyone wants to make you believe that it is all for the common good, a win win situation and such and you can also see the diminishing returns - effects of politics and laws in time, in the beginning of the 20th century, maybe it was a win win situation, maybe the gains were evenly distributed (but also because the economies grew and technology was constantly increasing the standards of living, now that free lunch is finished and over with, now we are left with ever growing number of laws and complexity and a constant win lose situation, a constant situation where you have to share a decreasing pie (but the pie is decreasing because the conflicts amongst people are increasing, not because wealth is really decreasing, nay, wealth is actually constantly increasing) and such)): like the "new labor laws" they all want to shove down the throats of Spain, Italy and Greece, they want to make it easier to fire (so that they can hire more easily) but what it really wants is to give the richer people, the bosses, those that can hire more power and freedom to do whatever they want and such and punish the workers and such, a win lose situation, all making believe that it is all for the "common good", everyone will win since the market becomes more flexible and such: nothing further from the truth, there are no jobs and people don't hire other people in these crappy countries (and all countries mostly) because there is nothing left to do for so many people that is worth the effort, there is no profit in most activities anymore, the entire model of work, of doing something for someone else and getting paid is no longer valid, is obsolete, since very few activities give any kinds of returns anymore, hence work is no longer needed, is disappearing and such.

Just like the diminishing returns of Information, or Thought, or Debates and so forth, information is now or in the future going to be worth zero, because it is a dime a dozen, the internet can channel any amount of information (books, movies, TV shows, etc.) to anyone for free, no matter what, all kinds of activities based on information creation will have no profit anymore, will be worth zero, it is all free hence worth zero. All of the thoughts and debates and conflicts, imaginary conflicts really are just imaginary wars and such, imaginary constructions in people's minds fighting each other with no real material substance, all denotations like macro economy theories and the the numbers and statistics, the fights dealing with education and who is to blame for this or that, the fights over mexicans coming and "robbing jobs" and such, all large scale constructions, imaginary constructions that have no real connection to what happens on the ground since what happens on the ground will always be point like events, simple action - reactions and so forth, simple forces playing out according to all kinds of intractable impulses, events and actions and reactions and going anywhere at all disregarding all debates, and thoughts, and new laws passed and so forth.

So all the debates and thoughts and efforts in politics is just one huge imaginary construction for the most part, just like religions, just a huge time occupier, or better just an example of excess capacity of the mind compared to those few simple puny activities it really needs to survive and such.

Anyways, politics and 60 % of "new" laws have mostly a negative to effect to most people, most changes seem to always be for the worst, maybe 30 % of the new laws and changes don't do anything and maybe only 10 to 20 % of most laws and changes have any benefit or contribute to the "common good" and such, hence it is better that no changes happen at all, no new laws are passed at all, no government at all is better than any government, and in fact Belgium's economy grew with no government, with no changes in effect: and then this imaginary myth that the governments control everything or have all this power and such: the actions of governments are so feeble these days, are so weakly coupled to most activities it is incredible that so much attention is given to such a small cause, to something almost irrelevant in the end and such.

The action of governments and politics is so weakly coupled to any effects because:

1) How laws are coupled to effects is very vague, intractable, you never know what reactions, what loopholes people will find to overcome a law or avoid a law and such;

2) The laws may have no effect at all, or may have an opposite effect that you cannot foresee and such.

The entire myth that something as complex and intractable as the economy can be manipulated by new laws and regulations, by changing rules is an act of faith: most laws probably have no effect at all, some or probably most will have a negative effect, and probably a very few may help the "economy grow", since all these new fangled laws are desperately trying to make the economy grow to pay back past debts made when the economy was growing (actually was inflating bubbles and inflating property prices, as much growth just means hike up house prices as much as possible to establish, confirm and lock in a standard quo, to lock in the gains that the first buyers and the first ones made against all the future generation, in other words, high property prices are a lock on any real flexibility of an economy, are an iron fist lock and wall against poorer people ever being able to have access to homes, it is a power structure to force the weaker to pay ever more for a basic need, but all the economists chant that high home prices are good for the economy go figure).

Vlad and others on this blog are always talking about rascism, who is better and worse, who deserves more or less, the blacks, the jews the mexicans and such: why don't you all just say, I am better than all, end of story, who cares about all the reasons and justifications, why do you even need any justifications ? why does it have to even be right or wrong ? who cares for right or wrong, why are you pretending that there is some objective box where the truth is and we all must abide to some objective, abstract truth and such: well who cares, I invent my own truth, nay, I will just do anything I want, I could care less if it is right or wrong, justified or not, the past histories, the facts and all else, it is all irrelevant, just do anything you want, all these hugely long debates and constructions trying to find moral, historical and whatever else justifications to confirm one population superior to another is so irrelevant, who cares, even if it is true (or false) it is all irrelevant, useless, can simply be assigned a zero value for fun, just because, and such. In the end it all boils down to a simple fight: A against B, A wins B loses, end of story, a one bit universe, a one transitor circuit.

why does it have to be justified by racism or histories or other moral justifications ? just say I want this, I'll do this, end of story, I don't have to justify anything to anyone or anything since it is all irrelevant, indifferent, I just do whatever I want, arbitrarily, I need no justifications and such.

And rhino boy and hard work: you mean the hard work is the hard work other people oppose, oppose your work, the hard work is other people, not the work or the real tasks at hand, they can be done in a jiffy, a dime a dozen, it is all very easy, it is people that make things hard, people create work by creating problems creating complications, by being stupid and acting stupid, by creating interdictions and contrasts and opposing your will power and such, the hard work is the "fight" always needing to "fight" other people and such.

So the hard work is mostly the hard work others make you do by opposing their will power, the work is hard, nay the work exists only because other people force you to work as by constructing roadblocks, interdictions, by forcing you to exert ever more effort to obtain something and such: and yet this is another contradictory quirk of a Technological Economy: since most real work, most of the basics are licked, then the only other kind of work that can be created is by making people fight each other, by making people work against each other and such: when you needed people in a factory or in an activity based on a lower technology level, you actually needed those people to fight reality, the laws of physics, the real interdictions and limitations reality opposed you as when people needed to repair TV sets, you were fighting the circuits and not the software like today (and in fact the evolution from hardware to software exactly reflects this evolution from real necessities, hard necessities, hard work agains matter, to fake necessities and hard work against other people and their will powers, the social crap, the arbitrary, non necessary, random opposition to events that other will powers can oppose you just because, just to actually create work, like a technological economy will create ever more fake work, ever more conflicts, debates and fights, the less we have to conflict and fight matter and reality and the real necessities and basics).

Anyways Electrification is only 120 years old or so, so much advancing in so little time, that huge advancement that happened in 150 years or so from the 18th century towards the 20th century made people believe and expect in ever more advances, progress, growth (this is the origins of the "Economic Growth" myth) and possibilities to go forward and such but that game is over now, that one time quirk where everything - most of the fundamental basics have been discovered and applied and created huge economies of scale and huge possibilities of new jobs and hiring is over and done now: now we have to remain in a steady state situation where everything will become choices, politics, debates, conflicts and such, now we have to decide how to apply the power we have and such.

And in order to go forward we need free salaries and cheap rents and rockets to mars and such.


GURU


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=181690

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And rhino boy and hard work: you mean the hard work is the hard work other people oppose, oppose your work, the hard work is other people, not the work or the real tasks at hand, they can be done in a jiffy, a dime a dozen, it is all very easy, it is people that make things hard, people create work by creating problems creating complications, by being stupid and acting stupid, by creating interdictions and contrasts and opposing your will power and such, the hard work is the "fight" always needing to "fight" other people and such.

So the hard work is mostly the hard work others make you do by opposing their will power, the work is hard, nay the work exists only because other people force you to work as by constructing roadblocks, interdictions, by forcing you to exert ever more effort to obtain something and such: and yet this is another contradictory quirk of a Technological Economy: since most real work, most of the basics are licked, then the only other kind of work that can be created is by making people fight each other, by making people work against each other and such: when you needed people in a factory or in an activity based on a lower technology level, you actually needed those people to fight reality, the laws of physics, the real interdictions and limitations reality opposed you as when people needed to repair TV sets, you were fighting the circuits and not the software like today (and in fact the evolution from hardware to software exactly reflects this evolution from real necessities, hard necessities, hard work agains matter, to fake necessities and hard work against other people and their will powers, the social crap, the arbitrary, non necessary, random opposition to events that other will powers can oppose you just because, just to actually create work, like a technological economy will create ever more fake work, ever more conflicts, debates and fights, the less we have to conflict and fight matter and reality and the real necessities and basics).


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Vlad and others on this blog are always talking about rascism, who is better and worse, who deserves more or less, the blacks, the jews the mexicans and such: why don't you all just say, I am better than all, end of story, who cares about all the reasons and justifications, why do you even need any justifications ? why does it have to even be right or wrong ? who cares for right or wrong, why are you pretending that there is some objective box where the truth is and we all must abide to some objective, abstract truth and such: well who cares, I invent my own truth, nay, I will just do anything I want, I could care less if it is right or wrong, justified or not, the past histories, the facts and all else, it is all irrelevant, just do anything you want, all these hugely long debates and constructions trying to find moral, historical and whatever else justifications to confirm one population superior to another is so irrelevant, who cares, even if it is true (or false) it is all irrelevant, useless, can simply be assigned a zero value for fun, just because, and such. In the end it all boils down to a simple fight: A against B, A wins B loses, end of story, a one bit universe, a one transitor circuit.

why does it have to be justified by racism or histories or other moral justifications ? just say I want this, I'll do this, end of story, I don't have to justify anything to anyone or anything since it is all irrelevant, indifferent, I just do whatever I want, arbitrarily, I need no justifications and such.


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Fair skinned Aryan Russians crush Muslims in gang fight. The Muslims were out numbered. As Asoka says, deal with it. War is never "fair". We won. Be inspired.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=bsIykHP_D_U

Hilarious!

Here's another edition of stupid white people gone wild. Russia sucks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w9HW2zDtEU

That video deserves numerous Darwin awards. What a lovely tribe they are. And you wonder why the Jews are so successful. How could they not be after watching that video.

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From:

http://kunstler.com/blog/2013/02/not-so-smart.html#comment-676373

6:16 "We've lost the work ethic AND the skills to work complex manufacturing jobs. "

Be a Farmer Again ?


There will always be ssomething wrong with workers: first they brainwashed a few generations of kids that they had to "study", go to college, that manufacturing was not the way to go, only to stab them all in the back a few decades later saying no, we were wrong, now you don't have the right skill sets and such. First make everyone do A and then all of a sudden ask for B, or make them do B and such: and then the entire thing of college and education was because a population went from being mostly farmers to being industry workers and then service workers, in just a few decades (from 1900 to 1980), a huge change in types of jobs, hence from the starting point of being farmers and workers in industry, the only way up was to study and use the brain, the intelligence stuff (there wer only a minority of people with high school education and even fewer with degrees in 1900, 1920 and such), (and also the farmers and uneducated workers looked at awe at the college graduates, imagining who knows how much they know (what special skill set in using their brains they had), how much value education had and so forth, the myth of working with your brains instead of your hands, the Information Worker Myth and such, it is an old myth that came about a hundred years ago by farmers believing in this myth, and the myth was true up until a few years ago, now the myth is expired) the services and high tech stuff and such: only that now that game is over, now the economy doesn't really need anyone anymore, neither farmers, nor blue collar workers nor information workers with college degrees (even though they will always blame you for some fault, maybe you need that PHD ? maybe you need to get retrained in something new and so forth, a never ending list of excuses on why the economy can't absorb you, when the truth is simply YOU COST TOO MUCH: I CAN GET THE SAME IF EVEN BETTER LABOR IN VIETNAM FOR ONE TENTH YOUR PAY LEVEL, END OF STORY.

Exactly because work is no longer needed, an optional, exactly because most work today consists of working against other people, fighting, lawyers, contentions, office politics, marketing, selling and trying to brainwash people on loads of BS, constant change for change sakes, nothing serialized or accumulating (such as huge High Speed Train Projects, Rockets to Mars and such), just a bunch of petty little fights, all little startups thinking that they will strike it rich and such, the very value of work and people working is optional, can be any value you can brainwash yourself and other people they have: hence how easy it is to fire a few thousand workers from banks, obviously their work was worth zero, or it instantly changed value, from being a paycheck to zero, all of a sudden and such.

People and Labor and Work today have any value you want it to have, from having no value to infinite value and such, especially if you need that particular worker, a plumber or something that no one knows how to do, but you are in an emergency situation, well then that simple handy work can be worth thousands of dollars and such.

Or maybe the value is another point like event, another single event depending on who is selling what, who is buying what at that very moment in that very place and what the contention (litigation ? fight ?) leads up to: how much the pay for a job is given according to completely quirk, arbitrary and random forces and situations, like being able to sell a house not worth more than 70,000 dollars for 400,000 dollars (like in california and such, and London and such, fake prices of homes only based on how much you can brainwash someone, but also because all the huge accumulation of wealth worldwide in so few hands help pump up property prices all over the world by hiking up the prices, by loading them by saturating a market with their heavy cash, just like in london, all the rich in the world buy there and have helped hike up housing costs and rents and so forth hugely punishing the average joe and such).

Now go on, say the kids don't know how to work "high precision manufacturing" or take Germany as the model (a really unique quirk situation of a country that has always been the top in manufacturing (but a lot of idiotic nincompoop economists discovered Germany only in the last 2 years, wow, what idiots! what did they study ? didn't they study that Germany was a manufacturing giant in the 1930s up to the point to wage a world war against the entire war all by themselves for 5 years ? don't they see that Germany is a real exception to most of the world anyways ?), that has always been amongst the top economies of the world and so forth, and they are seling millions of luxury cars worldwide, now all of a sudden all countries must imitate them - become like them, but weren't we supposed to be like JAPAN a few years back ? or weren't we all supposed to be like Silicon Valley and so forth ? a never ending stream of idiots chanting all the BS imaginable and excuses imaginable to not state the simple truth: THE ECONOMY DOESN'T NEED YOU OR YOUR LABOR AND DOESN'T WANT TO GIVE YOU A SALARY, END OF STORY).

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From:

http://kunstler.com/blog/2013/02/not-so-smart.html#comment-676373

6:16 "We've lost the work ethic AND the skills to work complex manufacturing jobs. "

Be a Farmer Again ?


There will always be ssomething wrong with workers: first they brainwashed a few generations of kids that they had to "study", go to college, that manufacturing was not the way to go, only to stab them all in the back a few decades later saying no, we were wrong, now you don't have the right skill sets and such. First make everyone do A and then all of a sudden ask for B, or make them do B and such: and then the entire thing of college and education was because a population went from being mostly farmers to being industry workers and then service workers, in just a few decades (from 1900 to 1980), a huge change in types of jobs, hence from the starting point of being farmers and workers in industry, the only way up was to study and use the brain, the intelligence stuff (there wer only a minority of people with high school education and even fewer with degrees in 1900, 1920 and such), (and also the farmers and uneducated workers looked at awe at the college graduates, imagining who knows how much they know (what special skill set in using their brains they had), how much value education had and so forth, the myth of working with your brains instead of your hands, the Information Worker Myth and such, it is an old myth that came about a hundred years ago by farmers believing in this myth, and the myth was true up until a few years ago, now the myth is expired) the services and high tech stuff and such: only that now that game is over, now the economy doesn't really need anyone anymore, neither farmers, nor blue collar workers nor information workers with college degrees (even though they will always blame you for some fault, maybe you need that PHD ? maybe you need to get retrained in something new and so forth, a never ending list of excuses on why the economy can't absorb you, when the truth is simply YOU COST TOO MUCH: I CAN GET THE SAME IF EVEN BETTER LABOR IN VIETNAM FOR ONE TENTH YOUR PAY LEVEL, END OF STORY.

Exactly because work is no longer needed, an optional, exactly because most work today consists of working against other people, fighting, lawyers, contentions, office politics, marketing, selling and trying to brainwash people on loads of BS, constant change for change sakes, nothing serialized or accumulating (such as huge High Speed Train Projects, Rockets to Mars and such), just a bunch of petty little fights, all little startups thinking that they will strike it rich and such, the very value of work and people working is optional, can be any value you can brainwash yourself and other people they have: hence how easy it is to fire a few thousand workers from banks, obviously their work was worth zero, or it instantly changed value, from being a paycheck to zero, all of a sudden and such.

People and Labor and Work today have any value you want it to have, from having no value to infinite value and such, especially if you need that particular worker, a plumber or something that no one knows how to do, but you are in an emergency situation, well then that simple handy work can be worth thousands of dollars and such.

Or maybe the value is another point like event, another single event depending on who is selling what, who is buying what at that very moment in that very place and what the contention (litigation ? fight ?) leads up to: how much the pay for a job is given according to completely quirk, arbitrary and random forces and situations, like being able to sell a house not worth more than 70,000 dollars for 400,000 dollars (like in california and such, and London and such, fake prices of homes only based on how much you can brainwash someone, but also because all the huge accumulation of wealth worldwide in so few hands help pump up property prices all over the world by hiking up the prices, by loading them by saturating a market with their heavy cash, just like in london, all the rich in the world buy there and have helped hike up housing costs and rents and so forth hugely punishing the average joe and such).

Now go on, say the kids don't know how to work "high precision manufacturing" or take Germany as the model (a really unique quirk situation of a country that has always been the top in manufacturing (but a lot of idiotic nincompoop economists discovered Germany only in the last 2 years, wow, what idiots! what did they study ? didn't they study that Germany was a manufacturing giant in the 1930s up to the point to wage a world war against the entire world all by themselves for 5 years ? don't they see that Germany is a real exception to most of the world anyways ?), that has always been amongst the top economies of the world and so forth, and they are seling millions of luxury cars worldwide, now all of a sudden all countries must imitate them - become like them, but weren't we supposed to be like JAPAN a few years back ? or weren't we all supposed to be like Silicon Valley and so forth ? a never ending stream of idiots chanting all the BS imaginable and excuses imaginable to not state the simple truth: THE ECONOMY DOESN'T NEED YOU OR YOUR LABOR AND DOESN'T WANT TO GIVE YOU A SALARY, END OF STORY).

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(That's all I got, but that about says it.)


Really, the economy doesn't "need anyone anymore"? People like you who say this should be a victim of incompetence when a retail flunky or an agency clerk makes a huge mistake on your account and screws up your health insurance, your pension, or something else that's vital. And those screw-ups are a "clusterfuck" of a much poorer education (Japanese workers are much better educated than Americans but who the hell isn't?) with a lousy attitude about the people affected by one's accuracy or lack thereof.

You don't see that a working economy only "works" when all the participating members do their fucking jobs instead of acting like it's all beneath them. Shit jobs were the RULE before about 1980 and just because we've become a nation full of spoilt Mandarins doesn't mean that it's okay to be shoddy, inattentive, or DRUG-ADDLED on the job like Detroit auto workers in the 1970s and 1980s ... I have three friends originally from Detroit. They tell me stuff.

Your "hypermodern" attitude about work is just philosophical masturbation. The real truth is prosaic: If people don't do their jobs properly, the net cost to society is huge. So, "Mister Iron", may karma visit you in the form of a 9th-grade dropout with attitude screwing up your life because entering data into a computer properly wasn't a priority for them.


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" If we weren't such a stupid people in thrall to our "smart" phones, we'd be rebuilding the US passenger railroad system for the day, not far off,...

I am happier since I dumped my cell phone. I don't like being on a leash, with people able to invade me at any time, any place, no quarter. Funny when cell phones were first marketed by ATT it was with a "freedom" angle. I vividly remember the ads showing a woman strolling along the beach chatting happily on her cell phone.

Now if you see the that picture you think "Poor woman, so invaded, can't even get away from the hectic at the beach!"

Around that same time you saw ads depicting people sitting at the beach with laptops. Now you think: "Dumbass, get a life." The Cat-in-the-Hat marketed the cell phone as a freedom giver, I suppose, because the truth was right opposite.

...when the grand entitlement of Happy Motoring rather suddenly vaporizes for a significant chunk of the population.

Oh, when come our days of majestic collapse, like a serious storm, to reformat the hard-drive of the west and put us in touch with fundamental cornpone realities? For now we can come to Jim's Chautauqua of The Calamity and dream.

(From the Britannica entry):
"In these and later works, Lasswell moved toward a moralistic posture, calling for the social and biological sciences to reorient themselves toward a science of social policy that would serve the democratic will for justice."

From ‘zone:
Now, being far TOO suspicious, I'd have to see what that interpretation of "justice" might be, and who it actually serves! ;o) (I know, that's just getting silly.)
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Your suspicious nature serves you well. Lasswell, intentionally or not, along with uncountable others, helped teach our government how to out Nazi the Nazis regarding propaganda. Gosh, that even sounds conspirational to me, ha-ha.

Anyhow, I think the most frightening thing I ever had to learn is that Justice doesn’t exist. Nature doesn’t work that way; there’s no one favored outcome in nature’s Grand Plan (wink). Put another way, it’s arrogant of humans to philosophize about justice. I wouldn’t argue that we shouldn’t try for justice, but either way the notion is a non sequitur.

I agree with cynics like JHK when they say life is tragic. My personal opinion is that if social theorists really understood how to use the scientific method, they wouldn’t then try to derive a moral code from the “truths” they uncover while using it. That aside, like you I get pretty nervous whenever I hear sociologists crown themselves moral arbiters. Also, I remember reading a speech from former President Harry S. Truman laden with religious platitudes regarding our unique endowment from God to be the responsible stewards of nuclear power – us alone he basically said. You know what that meant: “we’re” the only ones Holy enough to deploy holocaust. Crap, I wish I could find the actual speech for ya. It’s written much more elegantly than my stooopid little paraphrase.

What I never hear anyone one say is that while the German’s justified holocaust against Jews with gas chambers and starvation; we justified holocaust against everyTHING with nukes. We used that implement of justice rather convincingly, too. Hiroshima said not only that we would kill irrationally suicidal Japanese fighters; we would rationally kill it ALL. Caveat indicating our rational use of holocaust: within a certain radius. Peace and justice for all, as long as certain guidelines are met, and as long we get to write the definitions.

~UFIA

White House threatens Bob Woodward for telling the Truth about Obama's role in sequester. The Administration is also using this an opportunity to release thousands of Mexian Criminals on the American People.

http://news.yahoo.com/journalist-bob-woodward-clashes-white-073806745.html

The Holocaust Museum was built before the Memorial to the Americans who died during WW2. And to this day, few Americans know how many died whereas everyone "knows" how many died in the Holocaust. Very telling is it not?

http://www.counter-currents.com/2013/02/freude-durch-krafft/#more-36686

Forget it, its over: Advancements in communication and arms technology constitute a "perfect storm" of all the horrors of global despotism imagined by Orwell. Those in power will decide the circumstances of life for the rest of us no matter where one resides on the planet. Ultimately there will be no distinctions of consequence based upon such quaint affiliation as national citizenship, or ethnicity, or religion, race, religion, etc.. Instead there will only be the imposed stratas of order constituted of a very tiny minority ruling class at the top; under that another slightly larger substrait class of apparatchiks (say "middle class" of technicians, engineers, military and police); then at the bottom the rest of us who will be propagandized into believing whatever rationale is given by the controlled media. Of course, there will be the ongoing theater of local/regional elections for sustaining illusion of "self determination". We're done!

The only prospect for a return to "local rule" will be the likes of some major calamity on such scale as to cause global chaos beyond the control of the ruling masters. Hope for a meteor strike.

Countless competent workers have lost their jobs due to offshoring and insourcing. Margaret Thatcher is one of the greatest Libertarian Philosophers - she casually revealed the utlimate Libertarian Truth in an interviewz: Society doesn't exist. It's just a collection of individuals with the State as the enforcer of contracts. Now that's a fastball. What do you say to someone who thinks that way? And they (you?) do. These are the people we entrusted our lives to. And why shouldn't they cheat? There is nothing but profit after all. If Society is an illusion, isn't morality as well? We need another Margaret Thatcher to reveal this last Truth.

Needless to say, such a Collection or non Society is easy pickings for well organized Muslim or Mexican Barbarians. No contest, since the Socialists are on their side. Now some individual Libertarians believe and practice private morality and charity. But there is no moral imperative and It Cannot Stand against a Pack, Clan, Tribe, or Nation. Any Baboon is weaker than any Leopard. But together they can and do defeat them.

James

I'm somewhat surprised that you have allowed your otherwise informative web site to be hijacked by nincompoops sniping away at each other and not addressing the issues that you raise in your weekly commentaries. You would have observed that the early blog responses to issues raised by yourself in your weekly commentaries are usually on topic and are civilised responses in the main. It is only after 24 hours or so after you post that the rabble-rousing element appear and start their mischief. They then take over the blog. Why tolerate this garbage? Sure it's your blog but we already know that the dipstick element is out there in full measure; no need to have them here just to get the response rate up. What intrigues me somewhat is that otherwise reasonable respondents here feel the need to respond in kind, but then again they seem to have their own axes to grind. So what's new? If you scrub out the verbal graffiti regularly it will likely go away after a while. That would be nice. Dimitry Orlov has the right idea; comments that don't appeal to him are wiped.

There are many possible templates for organizing society. If past or present social orders of "proper deference" and "cultural conformity" aren't to your taste, I can show you some social orders in foreign climes that you'll like even less.

Know what else? No matter where you look geographically or historically there's typically deference and cultural conformity. Often enforced not only with social cruelty like the cold shoulder but also the spear, the sword, the rifle butt, the prison camp, the torture chamber and the firing squad. As I've said a couple times, some perspective is warranted.

When TSHTF (not "if" but "when") do you think you'll be left alone to humbly go about your gardening? Don't count on it. A new social order, probably a whole lot less pleasant than this one, will take shape and, I would submit, led by guys a whole lot less nice than, you know, meanies like me that make you do "fone answering".

Look at history. Have armed bullies ever left the humble farmer alone to go about his farming?

Nobody has a crystal ball but consider these possibilities: a new power structure, maybe locally run. Maybe one based on threats, extortion and violence. Which would hardly be surprising would it?

Laws? Due process? You wish. In other words, hand over that nice fertile plot of land that you've been so lovingly tending.

Who would inflict such a dastardly diktat on an older lady? Maybe not even perfumados like me. It wouldn't be fair to cast aspersions on people I don't know for things that haven't happened but maybe you won't need to look too far. Who knows what people are capable of. Americans are armed to the teeth and guys with rifles can get funny on you especially if food supplies get short and people start to get desperate and civil authority breaks down. The Balkan Wars were instructive as to what beastly things neighbor would do to neighbor.

You don't like the suits pulling the strings now? Don't like "fone answering"? Can't get a fair shake? Well, do you think the future will be better? There's a pretty good chance that in an energy poor world, where it's a whole lot harder to stay fed, what comes next will be a whole lot worse.

You say you're an older woman. Here's a speck of advice: make sure you have some young, fit and strong male relatives around to look after you. As I said in a previous post IMO there will be extremely trying times.

Just for fun let's look at Russia. Remember Ivan the Terrible? Remember that lovely organization he founded, the Oprichnina? Doesn't it remind you of the Czarist Okhrana, the Soviet NKVD, the KGB and the present day FSB? Maybe it's too much of a stretch to connect the dots and claim that the thugs running the FSB in the present day are direct familial descendants of the Oprichnina. But boy they sure smell the same. But I digress. What I'm trying to say here is that as bad as you think you've had it with us nauseating, parasitic dress for success types with our shiny shoes and Armani wear and broads with big whatever, the possible alternatives are often nastier. And this is just one example. Because there are many others.

Like that corrupt narco state to your south. Seems like hardly a week passes without a dozen headless bodies discovered in a city dump. Don't forget, there's a lot of idiots and enablers in the US celebrating and fervently wishing for the so called Reconquista. There is a chance that it could happen. Can you imagine that power structure reaching north and defacto running swathes of the US?

Pshaw you say. I know, these are Mad Max-ian musings. How likely are they? Hard to say. But as one guy said (can't remember who) history often moves in spasms ie BAU and then a flock of black swans. Just look at the last century.

I`m not commenting on my nationality. But bluddy 'ell, if I were one of those upper class British twits I wouldn't be posting on this site. Not the done thing old boy. Or old girl. Would have an estate to run. Money to manage, accent to hone, manners to cultivate, dinner parties to organize, invitations to send, wine to pick. People to push around. Much to do.

Never mind that I don't want to belong to a club that would have me as a member (Tm Groucho), the Brit "upper class" surely wouldn't have the likes of me. Good grief, I mean the thought is hilarious. Snobs they are. Do you know what I read? The toffs won't even have the Royal Family. Seriously. Too German the royals are. Even Prince Charles was bullied by aristocratic classmates. They tormented him, they called him Dumbo (fits him doesn't it?). Amazing that the heir to the throne was/is seen as inadequate by British lords and ladies even as they smile nicely and offer their hand and bow and bend knee and murmur Your Highness this and Your Highness that. I mean, his grand-mama, the revered Queen Mum, the lady that Hitler called the most dangerous woman in Europe, by one account that I read, could trace her ancestry to a fifth century chieftain that lived near Hadrian`s Wall. So talk about deep roots. And never mind that one of her brothers was killed and another wounded in WW1 in service of King and Country. Not Good Enough. Sorry old chap. Again, I digress.

Time for tea. Got to go.

"Comments that don't appeal to him are wiped". Dude, you are so special - you are my new fucking hero. You must love Michelle's new bangs too, right? The Classless Society is very near, with Commander Ozymandius at the door and fore. Soon people will not have to think at all. There will be no disagreement anymore - it will be a Perfect Society like the Communist Soviet Union once was.

Comrade Orlov! Ozymandis loves you!

Anyhow, I think the most frightening thing I ever had to learn is that Justice doesn’t exist. Nature doesn’t work that way; there’s no one favored outcome in nature’s Grand Plan (wink). Put another way, it’s arrogant of humans to philosophize about justice. I wouldn’t argue that we shouldn’t try for justice, but either way the notion is a non sequitur.

How are people supposed to "try" for justice if they don't first philosophize about it? After all, it might worth a try to determine exactly what justice is before discounting it, or 'trying' for it.

As far as the supremacy of "Nature" why should that automatically translate into being a slave of nature? After all, humans are quite capable of acting contrary to nature which is a good thing in many ways: I presume you don't take a shit on your friends new carpet because nature called.

And yes, even animals can be trained to roll over and stand on their hind legs just as a humans can be made to stop at red lights. But most human beings intelligently reason that this is a societal convention for the greater good, a subjugation of instinct in favor of 'just' roadways.

As Nature has a way of achieving balance, so did Aristotle preach the intermediate path, which logically extended, implies to keep on trying, reaching, searching... for justice. Otherwise, balance collapses into an apathetic heap and "the mean" satiated with satisfaction,struts too far high and forward.

The New Soviet Man is here! He is intrepid and cruel. I am afraid of him!

"Vlad and others on this blog are always talking about rascism, who is better and worse, who deserves more or less, the blacks, the jews the mexicans and such: why don't you all just say, I am better than all, end of story,

Ideas of better or worse need to come into the quest to preserve the unique peoples, genotypes, cultures, and nations. But just the fact that they are. The spotted Appaloosa horse, which came close to extinction, was not preserved because it was "better" than other horses.

I myself could criticize Whites, as a race, better than most others could manage. Yet I'll fight to the death for their uplift and protection.

Put that in your antifa and grock it.

Correction:

"Ideas of better or worse [don't] need to come into..."

Yes, and what would all of these who trash Whites say if we were to try Eugenics again to uplift ourselves? Would they would be pleased? As you know, they would freak out, screaming about Nazis and the rights of retards to breed. We can't win with them - they simply want us to die.

And no race could benefit more from Eugencis. We produce an abundance of lower types, yet no Race produces a higher quality Man than the White Race. What the Jews and the East Asian have over us is a higher average IQ and a much lower incidence of criminality and idiocy. Positive Eugenics would be incentivizing higher types to have more children. Negative would be a strong but mostly voluntary (except for actual retards) attempt to keep lower types from breeding.

"Are you not in favor of being biased toward your group?"
-adequatio, to janus, concerning whites and Jews-

I do believe that adequatio is making an argument that "Whites" should adopt the tactics of Jews when it comes to ethnic self-interest.

This could work. Seriously.

"Holy Shit!
(That's all I got, but that about says it.)"
-ozone, concerning my link to the intense Catholic woman, http://barnhardt.biz/ -

That's very funny, O3, seriously.
You would think that a bunch of grown men and women could use the internets to understand each other a little bit better - much as you and I have done as regards your atheism and my default Religiosity.

Hard work, isn't it?

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And janos, I was following a random looking link off a comment thread on http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/ when I found that intense Koran burning woman. If she's married, her spouse has his hands full, no doubt.

What would you do with a woman like that one, Janos? Did you notice she didn't make a SINGLE purely racist remark, that I noticed - out of her whole website.

Smart woman.

"As for me, I got to think about a bad future, because what will happen to me and my family when some disaffected asshole with influence starts blaming the Jews for all our problems?"
-btb-

Bill - you've got to understand that internet comment boards froth with hate and conspiracy.
Consider the frothy efforts of carol newquist and the RI here on CFN, for example.

But I can NOT foresee a scenario where what you fear might happen - could really happen.

Jews have too much power, and too much respect in American culture. Besides that - how would anyone manage to identify you as Jewish, anyway, unless you just came out of a Synagog wearing a Yarmulke. Think about it, you can live anywhere, associate with anyone, marry anyone. No US records list religious affiliation.

So the sort of persecution that worries you looks to be simply impossible in the United States, as presently constituted.

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Now, did you notice the stats that adequatio published, though. Anti-semitism has gone UP, percentage-wise, between 2005 and 2011?

The reason, most likely, is TOO MANY IMMIGRANTS from too many cultures where Jews are held in less esteem than they are among the native-born United States population.

Thus, the logical thing to do is work to drastically reduce immigration, right?
I'm with you on that noble goal, too.

"I do believe that adequatio is making an argument that "Whites" should adopt the tactics of Jews when it comes to ethnic self-interest.

It's really just a matter of reclaiming the ethnic and racial identity that was once natural to us. We don't have to be racial supremacists like the Jews, but we do need to get their voice out of our heads ad their worldview out of our eyes.

Our advantage was that national borders, the family, and religion once acted as the preserver of natural racial identity. All 3 of these have been under attack by a people that evolved to be able to maintain grouphood sans national borders.

"Did you notice she didn't make a SINGLE purely racist remark, that I noticed - out of her whole website. Smart woman.

The Catholic Church has allowed itself to become disoriented from the racial naturalness that is an aspect of naturalness itself. One of its flaws, they are way to much a multiculty enabler now. (I grew up Catholic.) So what can she do.

It takes big balls for a white to be racialist in these times. She's just a woman, plus a member of a church that became a multiculty enabler. But give her time. In the various "naturalness" statements of Christ there are plenty of grounds for racial naturalness. The Catholic Church needs renovation in a number of ways.

But she's a cool lady anyway. Even abjures homophilia -- one of her more charming qualities and shows she already has more moral courage than most men today.

Whites doesn't require scare quotes. Race is real, the holocaust is a social construct.

A compelling post that will hopefully get some to inspect the foundations of their personal philosophies. Justifications required. Junk/skewed data ejected.

"Anyhow, I think the most frightening thing I ever had to learn is that Justice doesn’t exist. Nature doesn’t work that way; there’s no one favored outcome in nature’s Grand Plan (wink)." -UFIA

I've thunked on this, and asked the question: What is the single observable constant of the universe (Nature)? I suppose it would be, "NOTHING is WASTED". That seems to be what balances the scales of Nature's "justice".

Where we get into the arrogance arena, is pretending that we can capture the "why" of it. There lie the eternal troubles of a massive conceit and struggles over the conflicting powers of belief. (Seems an unnecessary waste of striving in service of an unknowable mystery.)

If we were to use that (thou shan't waste) as the basis of our "ethos", I really think we'd be doing ourselves (and our [non]relationship to Nature) a large favor. This would include not wasting human potential.

Of course, we could take this to ridiculous lengths (like most religionistas do) with stupid stuff like, "Don't pull yer pud; the seed is wasted!" If you should enjoy a pud-pulling from time to time, please, DO spill it on the ground; plenty of tiny munching critters will find it a quite acceptable foodstuff.

We could go on and on in the realm of the ridiculous, but I think you get my general drift.

Economic Growth Terminated


"Sir Isaac Newton PRS MP (25 December 1642 – 20 March 1727) was an English physicist and mathematician who is widely regarded as one of the most influential scientists of all time and as a key figure in the scientific revolution. His book Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica ("Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy"), first published in 1687, laid the foundations for most of classical mechanics."


Amongst the circus of concepts, ideas, debates, opinions, conflicts, agendas and so forth that the internet and blogs and this blog gets filled up with, one is greatly overlooked: and namely that the entire concept of Economic Development has been a very short story, a one time quirk, not at all a scientific endeavor such as the discovery of laws and patterns according to repetitive patterns and such.

Most of the enitre development of a Technological Economy has been an ongoing work in progress that started not even 150 years ago: mind you 150 years is an extremely short time, almost instantaneously compared to the scale of human history, almost like a "Technological Singularity", a sudden huge change in all procedures, methods, production processes, energy production and use, society organizations and so forth, a huge change in an extremely short time, bar none.

If you want to be picky and want to extend the time span to include the beinning of the Scientific Era and namely Newton (who invented calculus and such) then the time span is from 1650 to 2000 is only 350 years!
350 years is no time at all!

Electricity, Oil, Car Engines and so forth, all came online about the same time, in a few decades, changed everything and the face of the earth in just a few decades of very recent history:

1) "In 1811, John Blenkinsop designed the first successful and practical railway locomotive"

2) "Broadly speaking, electrification was the build out of the electrical generating and distribution systems which occurred in the United States, Britain and other countries from the mid-1880s until around 1940 and is in progress in rural areas in some developing countries. "

3) "1884: British engineer Edward Butler constructed the first petrol (gasoline) internal combustion engine."

4) "The rise in importance of Petroleum was due to the invention of the internal combustion engine, the rise in commercial aviation, and the importance of petroleum to industrial organic chemistry, particularly the synthesis of plastics, fertilizers, solvents, adhesives and pesticides."

5) "Edwin Drake's 1859 well near Titusville, Pennsylvania, is popularly considered the first modern well. "

6) "In 1927, Philo Farnsworth made the world's first working television system with electronic scanning of both the pickup and display devices,[17] which he first demonstrated to the press on 1 September 1928.[17][18]"

7) "A triode is an electronic amplification device having three active electrodes. The term most commonly applies to a vacuum tube (or valve in British English) with three elements: the filament or cathode, the grid, and the plate or anode. The triode vacuum tube was the first electronic amplification device, which propelled the electronics age forward, by enabling amplified radio technology and long-distance telephony. "

8) "The first three-element device (mercury-vapor filled with a control grid) was patented on March 4 1906 by the Austrian Robert von Lieben[1][2][3] independent from that, on October 25 1906"


And the list could go on and on starting from 1700 or 1800 and going up to the year 2000.

Just consider 1870 to 1930 and compare that to 1960 to 2010: which era created the most novelties, which era constructed the Modern World ? so obviously we are greatly slowing down in the changes that our technology, science and societies are creating, we probably have peaked in scientific discoveries, technological applications and most of all Economic Development.

This is probably why Economic Growth in the fully developed countries is now so hard to achieve: the USA, EU and JAPAN have finished their growth cycle also because the very growth cycle was a one time quirk, a fluke, just an instant change of so many things all together in such a little amount of time and such. All changes strongly coupled to scientific discoveries and applications, inventions, completely new industries being born out of all of the discoveries and applications, the car industry and energy industry and so forth, a huge number of new industries that came online, hired millions improved the life quality and standards of livings of entire continents and so forth. But it was a one time story, just one huge wave, not destined to continue, hence the story of economic growth is over and done with when a country becomes fully developed. The very evolution and development of a Technological Economy imposes consolidation, optimizations, and so forth, this implies fewer workers needed (productivity increases - consolidation means doing ever more with ever fewer workers and such), automation and so forth.

It is the first time in history that a civilization finds itself in a fully developed and "growth achieved" society, no one has any idea where to go from here (but there is no direction, and no one and no force can really impose any direction, only random forces that will evolve society in any possible random way), no models are available, no clues are available to suggest if there is any direction from here on, the only thing that people keep on noticing and feeling and seeing is the need for less and less work, the concentration of power and wealth in fewer and fewer hands, the constant win lose (it was once win win in the 1960s and such) situations, debates, conflicts and all the economy is imposing on everyone, the debts and all the short circuits, disfunctions, insanities like the US health care system and such or the European Union having a single currency not backed by any single nation and so forths.

This is such a unique, and one time situation that we find ourselves in: how will an economically developed society evolve from here on ? and haven't a clue on how the random, chaotic forces will play out from here on.

But JHK and the greens, environmentalist, the Nature - Tree Hugging thugs want us all to go backwards again, want to go back, want to go in the past are actually still fighting decades old technologies, are so old time and old timers that they are still fighting against Oil and Cars and TVs (but they accept trains, well once even trains were being fought by backwards people): they don't get it that you can't rewind this history, you can't undiscover electricity, you can't put oil back in the ground and forget that it ever existed and so on.

You can only go forward now, and the only way forward is to dump this old fashion Economic Ideology that expects continous economic growth to go on forever all by itself, when there is no reason to expect such a thing, this constant expectation of better and more and progress when nothing is pointing in that direction and especially the invisible hand of the market certainly will not force this or make this progress happen anymore: now progress must be forced, like what China does, huge government spending (you can print money forever it never runs out, it is only a place holder for political decisions forcing growth and progress and development and such) to construct the future, High Speed Trains, Rockets to Space, Atomic Energy Plants, Skyscrapers, Industries of all kinds, Huge increase of Consumerism, the complete saturation and application of all of the technologies we now have and even more, ever more, forced economic growth through huge public - private projects, millions of projects, large scale projects and such: and millions, billions of people receiving a free salary and cheap rents since the economy by itself will never again be able to hire them for useful work, nay the only useful work is the huge projects huge government spendings and private corporations (along with their rightly deserved huge profits, since at least they are constructing something, doing something serialzed and accumulating wealth in the form of infrastructers and such) can shove down nature's throat.

And enough of all of this religion of wanting to protect Nature. And esecially enough of all of this envy towards the rich and this morality crap, "you shall not rob" and such: who cares, people and bosses and politicians will always rob money, and so forth, this morality crap is totally irrelevant, a distraction to what we should all be concentrated on (let them rob all the money they can, who cares, it is totally irrelevant and invisible in the larger scheme of things) and that is huge projects and cheap rents and the governments hiring billions of people to do proudly and bluntly and boldly nothing at all and such. Morality and envy and justice will not make anyone better off, only huge projects and cash will make everyone better off and such, let the private corporations hog up all the profits they can, who cares, what is important is that I can get my free salary and cheap rents and Rockets to Mars and such!

APE THUG

Great conversational and astute intellectual writing style all wrapped into one. Enjoy the rays if you're catchin' any today.

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=182073

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To OZ:

Great conversational and astute intellectual writing style all wrapped into one. Enjoy the rays if you're catchin' any today.

Speaking of the the great and wonderful, I hope the new movie doesn't suck.

~UFIA

Thanks for the good wishes, and backatcha!

No rays today. A lowering blue-gray cloud cover at 37deg.F, with almost imperceptible soughs of intermittent breezes. A few random flakes of snow floating down very slowly and, get this, INSECTS flying around!
Nope, not the DT's, just WTF,s! (I see'd 'em on th' winnders; ya cain't tell me I dint, dang-it...)

On another note... bing!... here's something in regard to what we and JHK constantly puzzle on: Deceit, destroyer of society.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34121.htm

Can an abstract notion like "trust" be "wasted"?
I've become convinced that it can.

What I never hear anyone one say is that while the German’s justified holocaust against Jews with gas chambers and starvation; we justified holocaust against everyTHING with nukes. We used that implement of justice rather convincingly, too. Hiroshima said not only that we would kill irrationally suicidal Japanese fighters; we would rationally kill it ALL. Caveat indicating our rational use of holocaust: within a certain radius. Peace and justice for all, as long as certain guidelines are met, and as long we get to write the definitions.

~UFIA
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Sheesh, I realize now just how terribly that reads. Anyhow, I'll refrain from the the types of deep analysis that exceed my capacity as much as possible. But I have to admit it's kinda fun gettin' it wrong sometimes. Learn more that way, I guess.

Anyhow, I wondered if you've ever heard of this guy or seen this film: Stephen Hicks - Nietzsche and the Nazis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-WaeXHMeho

I watched the whole film on Netflix awhile back, but I don't think it's available any longer; however, Amazon video and XBOX video offer it. It seemed to me he argued that the Nazi's misread Nietzsche's writings, and then justified some pretty heinous thinking of their own.The little preview doesn't really set up his thesis very well but it's very intriguing, I thought. Don't watch it when your tired. It'll put ya out.

Anyhow, as I continue to learn more about philosophy and science, I often return to the question of whether philosophy (religion) informs our use of technology (science), or is it the other way around? I had a humanities professor argue that culture informs our adoption and implementation of technology and I about flipped. My preconception until then was that technological advancement dispels mythology. Turns out that religious and scientific magisteria might indeed overlap, if JHK's view of techno-magic is true. Stephen J. Gould had some stuff to say about the overlap as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-overlapping_magisteria

~UFIA


Great article. Absolutely fascinating how trust, lies, and secrecy induce what seems like a dual nature of virtue. Maybe such terms just open a semantic revolving door.

To go along with your article, if you haven't already come across this film:

http://www.secrecyfilm.com/reviews.html

I recorded it the other night. Basically asked the question, "Does secrecy make the nation safe?"

~UFIA

Dow is set to reach the all time high. Jim is a little bit off once again with his Dow 4000 prediction. And the price of commodities is going down, including oil.

The NYT reports ferocious tribal warfare raging in Kenya, with Obama's Luo Tribe getting the worst of it. Do you think he'll send in the US Marines to even up the odds?

--CD

Industrial Revolution ?

So then maybe the real Technological Singularity is exactly this Technological Economy - Society evolving at a relatively high speed compared to Natural Evolution in the sense that it is not confined to only computers and them evolving but by an ensemble of Machines, Societies and People self interacting and evolving: after all a Singularity is simply Matter (and random but logical internal delimitations creating Observer - Universe Sets within) that is self evolving and self interacting with itself at a very high pace (internal self reinforcing runaway "chemical reactions" and such similar to "Natural Evolution" but at a higher speed and with many more Matter types and Matter configurations and possible organizations, nay, "chemical elements" with the elements being chips and people and brains and computers and networks and oil and thoughts and concepts and books and so forth, all kinds of wicked and random and disjoint "chemical elements" types)), Matter playing with itself and constructing all kinds of Interactions, Contraptions, Information Relationships and Transactions within itself, Events, in a sense Matter discovering its own laws of functioning and applying it to itself, a subset of a ball of matter discovering how to manipulate itself, how to delimit and decompose and construct other subsets of matter that interact and create all kinds of events and Experience Sets and so forth.

But then again maybe it really doesn't matter if Matter discovers the laws of its own functioning and such, maybe Matter must simply achieve a state within which it can obtain anything it wants, any sensation, experience set, and universe, no matter how far away and disjoint from what we now know and perceive, by creating a manipulable substrate where it can play with itself to no end, up to no possible limitation, maybe a kind of Virtual Reality Achieved where Matter can decide to create all other kinds of realities and so forth in a never ending recursion of realities, relationships, possibilities, sensations, brain types, sense organs and so forth, ever more surprising and exciting, ever more incredible and impossible and so forth.

So we can see the earth and the civilization ( the civilization being a thin liquid acting as an enzyme, as a reaction amplifier and enabler) upon it simply as a contraption that self manipulates itself and creates all kinds of events and evolutions and paths towards all kinds of singularities and such.

And then again the distinction between fake and natural may be non existent also because everything may be alive, the electron may be a living creature, that reproduce themselves or anything else, the electron is in a stable position because it is interacting with the proton but feels sensations, is a brain itself, or some kind of living contraption and so forth all the way down to infinity, even though we can't feel the sensations the electron is feeling and such.

Just like when the internet crosses forests and towns and information goes from one point to another, it ignores all the stuff in between, the pebble on the ground in that backyard has nothing to do with the information transmitting through that space at that moment and such, and yet maybe we are like that information unaware of the pebble and so forth, all kinds of, all kinds of possibilities and such, and maybe a new kind of information can use all of the stuff that is irrelevant and in between and create new worlds, the transmission line picks up the pebble and picks up a car and a car tire and creates a new chunk of information to transmit to the sun and so forth, incredible, crazy, make believe, be a little baby and such.

Electricity is an enabling technology: from that point on, all kinds of contraptions have been invented and applied by building on top of electricity and in the end the Internet and Computer have been built on top of that: but also the Internet and Computer are a second stage of enabling technology, all kinds of things will be built on top of this new substrate and so forth, everything being built on top of everything else, a first enabling technology, then a second (the Internet) and then a third (maybe blogs and blocks of texts ?) and then other substrates, ever more levels until Matter reaches total freedom to do all it wants, maybe the levels can extend to trillions maybe, make believe and baby is just the third level, who knows how many more are waiting to be executed and discovered and brought to life and such.

THUS SPOKE THE 8 MAN

Dude, WTF are you talking about?

Just as oil is the blood of the earth, semen is the rocket fuel of the body. Why waste it upon the ground as did Onan?

Each sperm cell is is a potential person. You are a murderer.

Your being festusy again. Just try, we don't expect miracles - it's you after all.

Alrighty then!
As your perpetual spewings evince time and again, you're pretending the "learned scholar" and seeking validation in the tomes of sky-ghost speculations, suppositions and rabidly dangerous, I-will-live-forever deluuuuusions.

YOU happen to be showing yourself to be an unrepentant, hidebound and incurious dipshit, unworthy of considering issues of actual import. Get your race war on, and piss off; you're not recruiting any new shit-wits here. (IOW, nothing new to mull.) We'll see you [but hopefully not] in the aftermath and try to find some gainful employment for you that doesn't involve having power over anyone, decision-making or opinion-giving.

-End of communique

I'll also echo JHK's response to your "issues":
Fuck You.

UFIA,
Sorry for the outburst and thanks for the linkages; lots of things to chew on in one short lifespan. Whew.

I'll tell ya' O3 . These grey days (Gray)are really a spirit buster. Let the sun shine in. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!He is there to bring you down. Tap a tree and collect sap. Hang out by the fire with the geetar an' the ol' lady. Later my frien'.

Good advice. Thanks for the reminder of what's really important.
Life always flows/fills from/into niche to niche, and Change will always come; it hasn't any choice! ;o)

Ps. I have something for you. If I leave it at the station across from the Inn, will it get to you?
(Don't worry, no contraband, weaponry or pornographic material... I know, I know: "Awwwww, shit, thought it might be something GOOD!")

"But something that works as a bitch-slap upside this nation's tattooed head is apt to be salutary, if...

I like how Jim has enough class and sense to disparage tattoos. You should see the many ruined women in Portland, originally beautiful, now the turf of some scummy dude who did things to them even their fathers were not allowed to do: Permanently altered their bodies. Now he can proudly look around and view his turf-possessions that he made his mark on. True insanity. Verily, men who put their permanent graffiti onto women deserve the tree.

"Just as oil is the blood of the earth, s---n is the rocket fuel of the body. Why waste it upon the ground as did Onan?

True, indeed.

Each sperm cell is is a potential person. You are a murderer.

More or less, especially of self.

"These grey days (Gray)are really a spirit buster. Let the sun shine in."

Find the inner sun, basis of the outer sun. To do that, see above.

"...under the wishful hypothesis that some magical new technology or financial "secret sauce," ...

See above. Inner richness finally produces the outer richness.

"...will eventually bring back a return to the nirvana of techno-industrial boom times, if only we can be "smart" enough.

Yes, egoic activity and flailing of the arms in the samsaric morass accomplishes nothing. Brahmacharya and purification accomplish all. (See above. Pavement-world-is-u.)

Marked up women are the worst karma I've had so far. They used to put scribbles on their school notebooks when having a strange mood. No inspiration possible from them. Must fast more!

It's all good, man. Nothing too important in those links, just the casual perusals of an undisciplined mind.
Out till Monday.

~UFIA

BTW,
If I address it to: "The Big Goombah (Ret.)", will they know who that be and give you a call?

Continue with the undisciplined behavior! ;o)
See yez on the flip...

The president also pushed back against allegations that instead of working with Congress, he pursued a more passive approach as both parties failed to reach a deal to avoid sequestration.

"I am not a dictator, I'm the president," Obama said.

"Ultimately, if Mitch McConnell or John Boehner say we need to go to catch a plane, I can't have Secret Service block the doorway."


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【wedge】

July sun sinister sprinkled at the school gate two solitary figure who, as if to drain them of water, they are unaware. Standing as long as 30 minutes, she slowly raised his finger to the list, he said, this is how you repay my father? Or you atonement? Pour pour out his body, he did not turn dry lips. He staring at Xiamo away, "and do not take your eyes off her, he said softly, Yan heart, I'm sorry. Even say sorry, his eyes are not in her stay, long exposure so that she almost waddled her back two steps tears gradually pouring orbit, she suddenly rushed to the back of his handsome loud vocalization process Heron Yang, I hate you! Having turned to run away. I stood not far from the bus station under the shade of a tree, Yangqibozi Mengguan a big mouth Bi Sure enough, the pungent odor suddenly broken up my tears Italy. My direction running toward her to chase all the way to the hot air blowing Jingmei reheat my cold heart, I wiped his forehead of sweat, cold Ling, this is not like you.

[process heron ocean]

Sometimes we think that finally freed from the darkness, waiting for us is still an unknown. Such as college entrance examination, for example.

8 mid-May, you finally go. Before he gave me a phone call, not only not broken between us, but let me believe I was really in love with you. Heron Ocean

"I want to school."

"Well, you have school began early."

"Yes, bad luck actually chose the University, and a lot less playing time.

"..."

"... The key is to not test well metamorphosis, you know, this year's math test paper, my mathematics so bad. Congratulations you admitted to the weight of this oh. "

...

"how do you not speak? Do So Well."

"Xiamo away, can you do not forget me?"

"... of course not forget, our buddy thing. "

Xiamo from you kidding can not fool me, you in the end or a deliberate test as I opened the next level. Nothing in this world is so ironic, if I did not so hard, is not now disdain and at the same university, alongside access to the canteen talking about how food is hard to swallow, or in the bleak autumn coat to you learn in the study room?

I did catch up with you where the horizontal line trials and hardships, eventually fortune tease. Whether, like the ancient heart Yan said, the process heron ocean you to do impossible things, everyone looking at you, all pointing behind you. But then how Xiamo away, I see your eyes, I love you and everything, Montreal, thorns, also flower-decked.

you left I visited the class teacher, you greetings I can help you bring. Seems with all this session, the class teacher of effort exhausted. The silver-haired, he took the cans from the fridge Sprite to me, the pace of some of the vicissitudes of life. This is vastly different, and at that time I mean sinister image. Year of high school because of poor academic performance by his broadside half semester, I could not help it. I rushed to the office to kick stamp door shouted, surnamed ancient you gave me out! All the teacher's eyes immediately focused on me, and the entire office into the doldrums. He calmly walked to me in front of the door to hand belt banter find surnamed ancient what? The moment the door closed my upturned nostrils suddenly low heel, and I said, surnamed ancient, I'm sorry, I immediately took the job to make up. He hum twice turned to the door, I hurled the sky and shouts into the classroom for a bunch of friends, one day I want to sleep his daughter!

This is puberty the small rebellious and small fear, now it is valuable memories. He said kindly, the brats play good, I started to think you did not save it. I gripped the cold Sprite, cold directly to the heart, I ridicule, but for you, I would not have today. He patted me on the shoulder and grinned laugh, though you are not the best to our class, but most make me proud of qualitative leap. I evoke the mouth sincere smile, eyes fell on the edge of a photo of the TV heart again can not be said of sorrow and grief.

【the ancient heart Yeon]

Xiamo from the dead.

when I heard the news, the first idea is to drive heron ocean know it. I went downstairs and saw the cold Ling hands pockets brow micro-lock. I said, how to die? He said, seems to be a genetic disease, her sister is also for this reason in the very young to die.

I blinked hard, in front of the world becomes clear. I took out his cell phone, cold Ling hold my hand and said, sooner or later he will know. I suddenly unable to control, and burst into tears. Even I feel so bad, the process heron Ocean how sad. With this in mind, I am even more sad. Sad plus sad, my sad dog has his day.

process heron ocean Xiamo from deep-seated sense of my elusive. He talked to me about their first meeting. Then, Xia Mo from and naturally only process heron Ocean this drag classes hind legs sophisticate sitting in the classroom as a transfer student, the last row. Xipinenrou Xiamo from naturally became Cheng the heron Yang only hungry wolf's dinner, he held out his hand and said, Hi, my name is Cheng heron ocean. Xia Mo whispered off panic little white hands stretched out, I called Xiamo from. He took her hand and would not let it go, and also extremely rich in the palm of her hand repeatedly fine stroking sang songs, What a beautiful jasmine, your name and you're as beautiful. Xiamo off shy tough hand drawn, not jasmine, Mo from. He said Xipixiaolian as nice.

cold Ling clothes off Phi to me whispered, and has been for two years, you have not forgotten him. I sobbed speechless forget how long did such a cry. Cry does not mean to forget, but a bear in mind. Two years, has been cold-Ling in the side to take care of me, Otherwise, the eldest of my pampered live from time to time and how to parry attacks from disease and loneliness. Strenuous effort not resist and I test the same university, to buy me breakfast every day, summer is always holding a cold drink in the door of the study room, etc. I always bring a winter coat, I'm afraid I'm out of the study room wind. So thoughtful and carefully, epigraphy the open, but I have chosen long the heart of a stone, and in any case the city closed, locked inside someone's shadow memory, and then never open.

Now, the bad news of this sudden instant start gates, the memories slipped out a little bit, and pushed my fragile lacrimal gland. And their encounter than I and the heron ocean has shown signs simply vulgar to the extreme. I often unbalanced why they encounter, such as novels better, and we began to take so that he has been saddled with guilt.

process heron Yang came to my house the body with alcohol, before he came to say that he wanted to drink a good courage. Dark inside the house, he touched me down my voice a bit from top to bottom is probably gestures, hesitated and said, you are very young. Breathe in close proximity, I tease him, how you can not? He smiled and said nothing to dare, nobody wanted anyway, you want me to have to appreciate it. Holding and edge kiss while groping, his hand touched my back groping underwear buckle, I smiled and said in his ear, the buttons on the front. He froze for a moment and embarrassed to say, I am sorry, I only saw my mother's underwear, I was the first time. In this way, we even like each other do not know each other delivered. Young is so crazy, childish, absurd, may be the love that is so true. When I woke up, he was gone. Later I learned that he had the same school.

process heron ocean is irresponsible. If he intends responsible, then I would not have a chance to meet him. So regardless of whether others how to say his bastard, he is my superior king inviolable online dating.

[cold Ling]

I'm not afraid to love you, because I believe I can beat them I love. But I was so afraid that you love others, that I am unable to despair.

ancient heart Yeon's on me, like Cheng heron OCEAN Yan in the ancient heart. I took out all the time and always alone approached, I admit that I can only drop a guardian of the title, and I never regretted what I was doing. This dedication behind, buried much distressed and suffering, the ancient heart Yeon understand.

the courage to pursue their own happiness, this is the sunflower florid. I is the sunflower, the ancient heart Yan is the sun. Who has known the sunflower has been sun deep burns, one to watch the sunrise, a person watching the sunset, not sad eyes.

like the warm-up action of love, you do not worry, and so I gained a little more like, I will love you. This is a commitment to a year ago, the ancient heart Yeon said to me not like commitment. I believe she really liked me, but I also know that she never really thought to put the past.

this like I felt from the first meeting since. That weekend, the cousin dragged me to go to nightclubs to relax. Half-breed, came in a very punctual sitting Cousin side arm cousin's arm to the starting point from the food, as it should be a skilled look. My cousin told me that a lot of women children are so betrayed hue petty advantages, men generally do not mind a little money. But also an upgraded version, the ability to take home girl, this calculation also earn. I smiled helplessly. Cousin's friend said, laughing, and you still have no other friend is also a half-breed it? Mixed nodded, ah, a lot. Soon, she led a team of people appeared. Almost vomit blood dwarf the short, fat, fat, ugly, ugly, a variety. Interestingly the best looking girls, you are also half-breed? You mix what with what? She said in all seriousness, I mixed Sichuan and Henan. Has always been very calm and I was amused. That night, a group of people binge for a long time. She said, my name is the ancient heart yin, How about you? I put the campus passes for her to see. She said, coldly? I Missy, read that word ling (sound). She squinted No wonder does not love to laugh, originally called cold, ha ha. I'm too lazy to argue with her, she went on, you have to smile more, laugh when the mouth for god's bigger longevity. The study found that the cheerful and optimistic attitude can affect a person's life, deadpan average life of about 79.2 people laugh an average life expectancy reached 79.9 years. Only feel happy from the bottom of my heart the opportunity to prolong life. I brought back the corners of the mouth to try to smile, your dad is a teacher? Or your mother is a professor? She excitedly took my face and said, Yeah, my dad is a teacher. I faint smile, you are so educated, then why do not know "Ling" word? She smiled and said, Your name is too biased. Not just the name of your side, even people are biased.

She said, far more than my bias, she is also partial heron Yang Cheng partial also partial Xiamo away, we are biased, and why they fell in love with the people should not fall in love with. Like a tragic cycle, again and again.

【process heron Yang]

Mo from you after the funeral, after the aunt's consent, I am in your room Dailiaoyixia afternoon.

I'm sorry, to Mo from nearly got into a fight because you remains the problem of rehousing my aunt. I have not malicious, I just feel bad. I strongly oppose cremation, usually pumping smoke hot proceed terrible pain, not to mention the fire engulfed the entire body. Aunt said, are now cremation, burial methods used are rich, or is someone else's national customs. I was so excited that I do not care, it was buried in the ravine where! The aunt said angrily, to Jean Monnet away alone stay in a foreign land, you have the nerve!

I'm sorry I'm sorry, I'm too selfish. But I'm afraid you it hurts, my dear Mo from, I do not want you to withstand a shred of pain.

This is the second time to your room. First when sophomore summer, I entered the venue and came out and said, Who aunt of the room shouted, you curl? You wearing a light blue skirt, neat short hair makes you look pure and incomparable, I stared. You froze in place, eyes panic. Slight opening, come on. Into your room, warm-colored walls coupled with a shy smile, is simply a very soothing. You're standing in front of the mirror pinching The Qunjiao the mouth thrown imperceptible sadness, nice? I walk up to you and put his arms around your shoulder and said with a smile, nice. Two boys mouth mirror dyed laugh, a white and graceful, a dark and unruly. You look in the mirror and I said, my 1-year-old sister's death, the spirit of my mother disorders. She always thought that I was a girl, has been to, I dressed up as a girl. Even ... I bought underwear. Congguizili several underwear every few days I have to put them dirty so my mom wash. I shook your hand and said, you really hard. You staring at me, tears in the eyes of little, you are very hard. I tried to force passed to you pinching your slim shoulders, not hard, no matter what anyone says, I do not care. You laugh, you ask me, we are not gay? I shook my head, no. I have never regarded you as a girl, the first and shake your hand when I saw your Adam's apple. Your eyes reveal a sly light, then I do a sex change operation? I'm straining to pinch your face, are not allowed! You have more than women, a woman.

Mo from, I know I is a monster in the eyes of others, and I insisted that someone call you "she", I have decided that you are my other half. All feel that the man should be with a woman, then let me do the role of a man to support you, you do jasmine an integral part of my life.

I just always sorry. When I listen to the radio broadcast that day, actually hear the the ancient heart Yeon sound. The female anchor gentle, I would like to ask you folks what song? She actually pumping draped, I sent five text messages, the song did not put my point. Female anchor stunned for a moment and said, you do not worry, there may be a problem with the system did not have time statistics. So now tell me what song do you want to point to? She said, "We love to give to Cheng Moumou.

Feier sad sound hitting my heart, I suddenly remembered the first time we met that night. Finally see when I get up around the girl's looks, her handsome face wearing a satisfied smile. Sober moment I finally react own done. I dressed and went to the living room, suddenly saw the TV side of the photo, the ancient teachers and ancient wife hugged small the ancient heart Yeon happiness.

I will one day be his daughter sleeping! I did it, but I can not wait to kill himself. I fell in love with a man, but to live up to the woman, such an outcome to me how to withstand. Heart Yeon, love always a first-come, first-served, if not met Mo, I'll love you. However, in this world no.

[ancient heart Yeon]

cold Ling once said that my blood is home to two ancient heart Yeon, a weak, a rave.

I have no doubt on this point, but unfortunately my weak to fight not to move away heron ocean separation grief vivid.

I cried pear tear before the process heron ocean still he kept saying I'm sorry. He anxiously Yan explained, heart, you do not trouble, I Xiamo from understanding really is before you and I. I suddenly silenced hoist the mouth sneer, but so what? Do you think who can accept you? You simply alien! Process heron ocean stunned eyes of light gradually dimmed, he said calmly, then please do not bother us two heterogeneous, lest the tarnished you. I cried hard pushed him, and why you like men to touch me? How can you be so nasty! He looked at me and said, I pick is not gender, people sad. I first encountered you ... I took him by the arm and said excitedly, if you encounter is how I would? He whispered, I'm sorry.

if he met me, he might fall in love with me. So I've been to rob a man and a man? I menacing rushed Xiamo away from the classroom, she was like a little girl looked at me like panic. I said to her commanding, you did not, after you or consciously exit opportunity for others. Her eyes shining with complex light, she said, if he choose to be with others, I will not interfere. I sneer said, I do not want so unclear rhetoric, I want you promised himself no longer disturb the away herons ocean! She lifted her head grief circulation in the face, like a person must be with him this? I pestle in place. I suddenly felt like a clown, a sudden collapse in the word in front of all my self-righteous love instant. The original real depth bone marrow love is not a possession, and that the other party to become the happiest person in the world.

process heron ocean, I admit that I'm not the person who loves you, I heard you the phrase "if" has been struggling to wait. I know that the world will end not optimistic about you, I know the end of your family will not accept you, so even if the feng shui rounds of the turn it is my turn.

When Xia Mo and death I came to understand, I'll never be no match for Xiamo away, despite the Xiamo away and I never fight. She spent most ruthless strokes, died. She died and you will be less likely to fall in love with me, instead you will be a lifetime she engraved in mind, integration into the soul. I lose, lose outright, I do not regret what I was doing.

from that night has been five years, so many nights with dreams are you like. I believe that there is always then a bleak fall, I will stand still recite us. In fact, I do not like the absolute feeling my bones engraved extreme. The sound from the blood, every second of shouting an absolute, not backwards like a snail.

just, Cheng Lu Yang, Can you do not forget me.

[cold Ling]

graduation day, The Ancient Jade hot style Large, my body filled with feminine. Vaguely still see the little girls sometimes weak, sometimes domineering.

process heron ocean all the way came only for the Dayton goodbye dinner and we eat. Table of four people, a table full of both good and bad.

To ask a Who, of course is Xiamo away. She has long been rooted in the heart of the process heron ocean with him together and we bid farewell.

ancient heart Yeon pride raised his glass and said, today, let's between love and a few of us resentment wiped out. Her forced smile forward but Yancangbuzhu of the sadness flowing out of his eyes, she turned serious heron Yang Cheng said Heron ocean, your next life Can you first encounter I? Adam's apple moved, process heron ocean. He finished drinking from the cup of wine, I know that he is afraid that they had to use alcohol to stimulate their own. I raise my glass to the heart of the ancient heart Yeon Yeon ... the two of them looked at me, and I did not speak for a long time. Cheng heron ocean patted my shoulder and tried to disperse the awkward atmosphere, gee, do not ink, do not say sweetheart ran away. I stared at the ancient heart Yeon eyes slowly opening, next life, you must first encounter process heron ocean. The trio suddenly fell silent, the ancient heart Yeon finally could not help but cry. I wiped her tears to cry any makeup on flowers and plain. Her red eyes looked at me and shook his head hard, eyeful are the three words, I'm sorry.

difficult to compare me on the ancient heart Yeon and Xiamo from the feelings of the process heron ocean which is greater, or that are unable to be had so great. I deeply understand Xiamo from the phrase "like a must and he together this".

process heron ocean holding the hand of the ancient heart Yeon said, promise me, if ten years later, you married, cold Ling married, you will join hands and return to this place, has been go on. The Ancient Heart Yan desperately nodded, biting his lips, and I saw her nails deeply embedded in the away heron Ocean skin. In fact, the the ancient heart Yan Cheng heron Ocean deep-seated love was not just in Xiamo off the face of such special feelings is slightly inferior. I can clearly see her bones flowing dismay process heron ocean and on my apologetic.

I took hold of her other hand on the way heron Yang said, and I promise you that, decades later, we will not be together, I will always do the heart Yeon Huhuashizhe . Process heron ocean eyes finally wet, he began, I promise you, I will put aside the past and strive to live. Ten years later, we are back here together.

trio got up, the the table dishes chopsticks untouched. Table both good and bad, after all no one willing to swallow it, we all need time to heal our wounds festering. The Ancient Heart Yan told me that people love, in fact, die. It is only in our most painful place tie, we toss and turn, our chronic illness into health, We tempered into a steel. Yes, love will throughout our short life, but in the end wins do not go our life. And we can do is limited life, and grasping the most real, death did not forget.

stands at a crossroads, Cheng heron ocean it is easy to do, I'm going to the development of the South. The ancient heart Yeon aloud the away heron Yang said, I'm going to the Northern Development Process heron ocean, I want to forget you! The last few words she almost cried and shouted out. I stood among them and looked at them to back-to-back lopsided. My dear friends, I stood there waiting for you. When they turned around at the same time to look back, I looked up and stretched out his arms to put about to take off posture, did not look at them. Fly, dear, you do not look back.

sky clouded over, the upcoming arrival of a lingering drizzle. I forget how many dark clouds destroy the city's storm season, fast-flowing, rushing sound. Then measuring the distance and ravines, and end at the time of the relocation on the way slowly smooth. Migratory birds fly away whole team the whole team from flying over the shoulders of the years, suddenly look at the past several years.

they are still slow journey, the figure is getting smaller and smaller in my corner of the eye, and I heard all the way to shed the tears fall to the ground, crushing sound. Fly, dear, you do not look back.

text / They call me the Leprechaun. QQ: 564002412

Just as oil is the blood of the earth, semen is the rocket fuel of the body. Why waste it upon the ground as did Onan?

Each sperm cell is is a potential person. You are a murderer.

Quite possibly the most bizarre comment ever posted on this very bizarre ClusterFuck Nation. Congratulations.

"It is only after 24 hours or so after you post that the rabble-rousing element appear and start their mischief."

Be glad, and celebrate that fact, that they don't start in earlier. I've had to beg and plead with them, for literally months, to have the courtesy/self-control/respect to restrain from trolling for at least the first 24 hours...

Does anyone expect the Self loving "me" Generation, or their stunted, over managed, and entitled millennial grand-kids to fix our problems? Really? Whoever survives will be practical, and be able to throw old political babies out with the dirty bath water. There are few of those around.

The president also pushed back against allegations that instead of working with Congress, he pursued a more passive approach as both parties failed to reach a deal to avoid sequestration.

"I am not a dictator, I'm the president," Obama said.

"Ultimately, if Mitch McConnell or John Boehner say we need to go to catch a plane, I can't have Secret Service block the doorway."

Christ said, "You are a High Priest of Israel and you know these things?"

I say, "You study the soft or chi based martial arts and you don't know these chings?

As the Tantriks say, "What's there is here. What is not here, is nowhere".

As Above so Below, so saith Hermes Trimegistus.

You have never so plead. Don't try to use us to aggrandize your Ixian elf.

Really? You poasted teh *exact* same thing again, 4 hours later?

Guess that's better than 'Teh SkyScraper Guy' and his walls'o'poast gibberish (but still *SPAM*)...

"You have never so plead."

You know why you wait at least 6 hours - continue to believe your sock-puppet lies - must get confusing with all those identities (hidden) in that schizophrenic *mind*...

"level of vituperation"

I'm not quite sure how to reply to this.

Actually, I'm *very* sure. Q, soker, vlad, and his (various other) sock puppets pretend to carry on conversations with *themselves*.

I've been on *REEL BAD* blogs, yet they give you IP addresses of the poaster. Sure, this can be masked using *PROXY* servers, but methinks they too lazy - and K-Dog will *COME TO THE RESCUE* with long-term logs tagging logins with poasts... I jest!!!

"...eyes are not in her stay, long exposure so that she almost waddled her back two steps tears gradually pouring orbit, she suddenly rushed to the back of his handsome loud vocalization process Heron Yang, I hate you!"
-sh..eet69-

You want to try that again - in human, this time?

No, Ixnei, spam is the 17-screens long post immediately after my first post. Just in case the 17 screens were meant to bury my original post I decided to re-post it, for emphasis.

Believe me, if I was interested in spamming CFN I would make 40 posts a day like that Asoka DoD agent who is now gone (furloughed? sequestered?)

"That would be nice. Dimitry Orlov has the right idea; comments that don't appeal to him are wiped."
-ozymandius meets 1984-

So, ozy, did you contribute anything of value in this post of yours?
no, not really

Have you contributed anything of value in your life?
no, nothing discernable here

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And if you ever actually paid attention, ozy, you'd see that the problem here at the CFN thread is endless blather by 8M and his clones, stupid "chinese?" spam, inexplicable screenname bannings by JHK, and pointless hit-and-run-bitching by posters like "ozymandius."

screw it.


nit. wit.

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What is your five year mission soldier?

Chicago Mall Riot

Chicago has provided us with the latest preview of America’s post-apocalyptic future:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ABaWJ86F85w

Not that this is unusual, but it's needful to keep a daily eye on it. Jim's apocalyptic visions have often left out the obvious racial themes that have already prominently emerged.

See link below yr post......she can heave the sht.

Are you K Dogs father?

http://angrywhitedude.com/2013/03/meet-eustace-conway-hes-got-troubles/

via FN:

A self-styled ‘Mountain Man’ who left modern conveniences for the backwoods of North Carolina decades ago is butting heads with local officials who say his forest compound isn’t up to code – and he may have television to blame.

Eustace Conway, who owns and operates a school that teaches hundreds of people how to live closer to nature, received a cease and desist letter from county officials who say his buildings don’t meet code.
- See more at: http://angrywhitedude.com/2013/03/meet-eustace-conway-hes-got-troubles/#sthash.bOK6X01E.dpuf


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Reverend Phelp's ??????????????????????? huh?

And what if the new type of animal needs a trillion years to grow up ? and then maybe it can grow up and grow down ? and what if the new thing takes a 1,000 years to grow up from becoming a little baby to an old man and then it goes backwards from an old man to a little baby again forgetting all or maybe if it grows up and grows down in all kinds of ways and such and then maybe there are other electron people that can grow up and down in a picosecond (and a set of trillion of thing people observers all growing up and down at different frequencies, cross interacting and so forth, total confusion, total mixing of all chemicals and Infomration Sets as wild as possible) and then maybe matter can organize a lot of subsets into one and become a new person (a chair and a car tire and a mountain and a tree is a new person and such or a new society and such, a new history, history doesn't repeat itself) or system or civilization and then decompose into another and so forth, the distinction between infividual and system keeps on changing growning up and down and sideways and this and that and maybe the new alien race finds how to use all the pebbles on the street as a resource, as gold, maybe all the left over chips and circuits of trillions of years of electronic waste becomes the substrate for a new system of chemical reactions creatinng all kinds of civilization - electron people - cyborg - Instant Singularity Atom Bomb Brain Hybrids and so forth, and so and be a little baby, a little cry baby and invent all the craziest things, play make believe, play make believe in your backyard...while mommy cooks...

CLOWN THUG

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Re: Economic Growth Terminated

Unread postby nameta9 » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:56 pm

SIATD v2 wrote:Economic growth is impossible when that growth is predicated on cheap oil, and now there's no more cheap oil.

Tell me, are you paid to post this stuff? Because you seem to post it over and over, always saying the same things, always ignoring responses, always spamming the same links to the same blog, endlessly.


Short History ?

False, we have an infinite amount of energy, just split the sun and grab all of its energy just like we split the atom and such. And if we split all of the stars we can get even more, we have a glut of energy, natural gas costs a few cents now, we have solar, wind, ethanol, you name it, a never ending list of energies and so forth.

The reason why we can't grow anymore is much more subtle: the entire techno-science adventure of this civilization has been around only 300 years, so there is no way you can establish automatic laws of growth as all the economists imply, heck even simply the high standard of living achieved in the USA, EU and JAPAN has really only been around not more than 80 years, a very short amount of time, way too short to make believe that that is normal, or growth, the entire concept of growth is normal and so forth, there is no possible science of economics that can be built upon such a short time span and such.

What we really have is that all of the novelties are wearing off, they are rubbing off, wear off, now there are too few new sectors (hence the constant chant for more innovation and startups and research hoping to discover new sectors and industries when this is all terminated now, the novelties are finished, now we are left with boredom), and especially people themselves are all old (sick and needing ever more costly health care), bored, have done it all, we live in developed societies made up of old people who don't have the drive (and the young ones have even less drive, are spoiled, have grown up in rich societies taking for granted something that has only been around a few decades, it is not normal to live in rich societies, all of history has been poor and crappy and such, and now they couldn't even adapt to societies getting poorer, they just give up and such) and find themselves in a situation of too few real innovative novelties, markets, inventions, too few incentives to do anything, there are too few possible chances to do things, to work, to put effort into anything when it has all been done and it is all old now with no possibility of making a profit or gain (and then the technological economy is eliminating work by the boatloads by consolidation, mergers, automation, optimizations and such and the technological economy generates free wealth without the need to work and such and most sectors now are dominated by huge monopolies like samsung, intel and wealth is getting concentrated in fewer and fewer hands etc.), such that an economy can kick in again in growth mode.

But we need wild growth forced upon by governments spending, we need wild growth mode by governments printing trillions and hiring billions and building things and such, huge government expenditures, huge government projects and plans forcing growth like China does, shoving growth down society's throat, shoving growth down nature's throat and such (but the governments worldwide are doing the exact opposite firing workers and trying to spend less, what idiots, just print and spend like crazy assholes!), the invisible hand of the market won't do anything anymore, since it all has been done, there is no incentive and profit to gain in any sector anymore, it is all old hat, saturated, old, very little real possibility of new growth, very real few new gains and advantages a company can get by robbing it from someone else, since all of profit is simply robbing money from someone else one way or another, just like Apple robs money from idiots buying their iphones and such.

Everything has been done, now the growth mode that has been the rule from 1950s to maybe up to 2000 and such can't come back unless you force it.

The very fact that this high standard of living is so recent, has been around for only a few decades makes it all an exception, an experiment, all an unknown, it is the farthest thing from the linear laws the economists impose upon it all, it is all an experiment, now the only real growth is coming from poor countries becoming rich, simply repeating and imitating what the USA and JAPAN and the EU did from the 1950s to 2000, they are just imitating and repeating the same growth pattern of increasing consumption and such, and hence they have growth, but that will end soon for them too, it is not a given, it is not automatic unless you force it and the only way to force it is by governments forcing it by huge projects and hiring billions of people and such.

And just look at how many other things have changed from 1900 to today, families have completely changed their structure from when they had many kids to having no kids or only childs (and many couples having problems having kids and such) to such crappy perversions like queer couples adapting kids (kids growing up with only 2 daddies and no mommy, what crap or test tube babies) and so many other things (now couples in JAPAN don't even get married and seldom even have children or at most one and such, huge changes in such a short time compared to a few decades ago), all of the family structures, environments, ways of doing have changed radically in 100 years and such, it is all an experiment, an unknown (with wild new viruses in the air, all kinds of new and wicked chemicals playing tricks on humanity and such, all kinds of cool pollution, as I love pollution, it mixes things up again, I like to mix everything up and experiment like a mad scientist), we don't notice how short the time is, just like 10 years seem a lot to a little child but seem a short time for an 80 year old man, so we have always a distorted view of time and events and what is normal and not normal and such-

But the more conflicts and debates and new situations, the more information will be generated, we will throw an ever more increasing number of thoughts, debates and and ideas and blocks of texts and information to problems, the more they can't be solved, the more we will throw information at them hoping to solve them and such.

And we will have planets, trillions of planets with all kinds of fossils made up of trillions of crystallized thoughts, and events and cars and things, all kinds of things all mixes of things, concepts, ideas events, all broken down and merged into each other, all barriers broke down, all new hybrids, insane and crazy hybrids and such, things impossible to understand and conceive like a thought and a chair and an emotion and a history all mixed up and put into a new thing and such, mixed and all splashing into stars and mixing with other civilizations, aliens, all kinds of new contraptions made up of symbols and electrons and car tires and thoughts and memories and emotions all mixed up all converted one into another and all, we will have the wildest-

CLOWN THUG


Hi P4C

One can only hope that JHK will have more commitment to this blog when it is redesigned and he can get on easily and remove the flotsam and jetsam clogging up the works here.

The operational word is commitment and I'm not sure he has it.

If he wants to feel some pride in what he's doing here then he has to give it a bit of his time.

We shall see if that happens, otherwise, it's really impossible to go through the thickets of weeds to find some good comments, esp when some of us are too busy to keep up.

Surely it would be worth the extra energy to check out than it does now.


thug

And the same progression of science and technology then passed on to the economy and the industrial revolution created the faith and myth in science, logic, reasoning, on trying to research and figure out things, sociology and economists exist in terms of trying to understand these events and figure them out and use theory, logic and reasoning to overcome problems and such, but it is all in vain, you cannot figure out conflicts, you can't think away conflicts, nay the more the conflicts the more the theories and attempts to figure them out and overcome them but they can never be overcome because the basis of man is conflict, fight, his very existence, definition, operating system is in terms of conflicts and fights and winners and losers and so forth and then the laws of conservation of conflicts is always operating, even if you solve one conflict and fight a new one will pop up somewhere else and such.

The positivism idea, illuminism, the success of science and logic and reasoning and such then made the cultural climate and environment believe in simple laws, linearity, the economy will always grow, we can solve problems if only we think them out hard enough and so, ever more thought and blocks of texts and debates and politics and research and technology but in the end it is all in vain, you cannot linerarize that which is random and undiscoverable, you cannot figure problems out in the end, this plan is doomed and such. What we do have is a conflict to thought converter, a conflict to information converter, ever more conflicts, fights and debates generate ever more information and theories and so forth but bring no result, the project of science and logic and reasoning and illuminism and positivism is now failed now we are all spinning our wheels and running in circles: now the only solutions are forced solutions, shove it down everyone's throat, free salaries, free rents and such.

And this huge amount of information, knowledge, everyone is educated now and such (and of course now they don't want to do high precision labor in manufacturing, well if you needed those people then you should have trained them in such and you should have left them uneducated so that they wouldn't realize that their activity is so puny and such and the same problem is happening in china, too many educated kids don't want to slave labor in factories but the uneducated farmers are willing to since their expectations and cultural level do not make them notice the differences and such: leave them all ignorant then and make them work in factories or put in robots and end of story)
all this fake knowledge lends themselves to so many false and make believe reasons that are hiding a hidden agenda, everyone believing in the myth of logic, and the hidden agendas are hiding a win lose situation like when they want to blame labor laws for low growth in europe and such, a make believe cause to make a very real gain in a win lose situation and such, and the more conflicts and information the more room there is to make up all kinds of theories all kinds of imaginary causes and effects and try to brainwash everyone but in the end really hiding a hidden agenda and such.

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And all of the problems


thug

And the same progression of science and technology then passed on to the economy and the industrial revolution created the faith and myth in science, logic, reasoning, on trying to research and figure out things, sociology and economists exist in terms of trying to understand these events and figure them out and use theory, logic and reasoning to overcome problems and such, but it is all in vain, you cannot figure out conflicts, you can't think away conflicts, nay the more the conflicts the more the theories and attempts to figure them out and overcome them but they can never be overcome because the basis of man is conflict, fight, his very existence, definition, operating system is in terms of conflicts and fights and winners and losers and so forth and then the laws of conservation of conflicts is always operating, even if you solve one conflict and fight a new one will pop up somewhere else and such.

The positivism idea, illuminism, the success of science and logic and reasoning and such then made the cultural climate and environment believe in simple laws, linearity, the economy will always grow, we can solve problems if only we think them out hard enough and so, ever more thought and blocks of texts and debates and politics and research and technology but in the end it is all in vain, you cannot linearize that which is random and undiscoverable, you cannot figure problems out in the end, this plan is doomed and such. What we do have is a conflict to thought converter, a conflict to information converter, ever more conflicts, fights and debates generate ever more information and theories and so forth but bring no result, the project of science and logic and reasoning and illuminism and positivism is now failed now we are all spinning our wheels and running in circles: now the only solutions are forced solutions, shove it down everyone's throat, free salaries, free rents and such.

And this huge amount of information, knowledge, everyone is educated now and such (and of course now they don't want to do high precision labor in manufacturing, well if you needed those people then you should have trained them in such and you should have left them uneducated so that they wouldn't realize that their activity is so puny and such and the same problem is happening in china, too many educated kids don't want to slave labor in factories but the uneducated farmers are willing to since their expectations and cultural level do not make them notice the differences and such: leave them all ignorant then and make them work in factories or put in robots and end of story) all this fake knowledge lends themselves to so many false and make believe reasons that are hiding a hidden agenda, everyone believing in the myth of logic, and the hidden agendas are hiding a win lose situation like when they want to blame labor laws for low growth in europe and such, a make believe cause to make a very real gain in a win lose situation and such, and the more conflicts and information the more room there is to make up all kinds of theories all kinds of imaginary causes and effects and try to brainwash everyone but in the end really hiding a hidden agenda and such.

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And all of the problems

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Stupid teenagers gone wild. Skin color doesn't play a part in it. 79iron's most recent post and consistent message has more to do with this. They're aimless and bored. It's all been done, there's nothing left to do, except tear it all down just for the hell of it, or maybe because it's imperative it all comes down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VzOUKODdZ4

The sink hole is the perfect paradigm for this country of no-brains!


Let's discuss the reactionary movement in the Republican party which won't even include Chris Christie at their yearly conservative convention (C-Pac) because he honestly needed the help of the Fed govt. with it's $16Trillion GDP in the wake of a destructive storm. Yes the usual assortment of morons like Sarah Palin are invited though. That's because with the help of the Supreme court they will win all elections no matter how bad their ideas are--they are counting on that, you know.

Yes, yes the Reactionaries expect and demand Fed help when they get struck by the results of global climate change, but when it happens to the Northeast--- it's a No Go.

Christie and King had every reason to complain about the double standards. They never go far enough to describe the insanity of a part that protects the interests of the special interest of the Oligarchs while denying the people anything from the govt.


BTW I ran across an article this week about our great minds trying to control weather so we can keep spewing out the carbon with abandon. Even the Chinese are coming up with innovations to deal with climate change---but the special interest monopolies here say NO. That's why you don't see JHK on the TV and when he is on they turn off the sound.

With all that neoliberal happy talk about innovation--it won't be happening here. We are sneaking creationism into the schools to make sure we don't have innovators in the realm of science. Oh, ok I guess the sons and daughter of the super elite will get an education but that is not on the table anymore for the American people.

Now the sequester will help put the nail in the coffin of govt. Everything must be privatized and cost way more than pooling together through taxation the services a central govt. must provide in a civilized sovereign nation-state. But let's be honest, behind all this acting out by the right, they are telling us they are poised to go beyond the civics war into the real deal.

They and the wealthy 1% want to take this country down. Sell off the parts to foreign interests 'cuz that will make them ever more rich than they already are. In the 0 sum game of infantile minds: the one who dies with the most toys wins. The Koch brothers are furious with the outcome of the elections and the huge waste of money they flushed down the toilet for power. Just imagine how the money could have been spent to build infrastructure or add some value to their country, but no. Now they want the reactionary Scalia to codify the disaster of Citizen's United even more…

No transparency in their precious "free market" (For who, exactly?) not just in elections, but in all industry. Just like those GMO's, who knows what we're eating. My guess is when they can sanitize shit, we'll be eating that too.

When constitutional rights are referred to by Scalia as entitlements and little Lord Blankfein says "The American people will have to get used to losing their entitlements", you ask exactly who are the entitled?

Me thinks those who believe that they are so talented they deserve 400%+ money over their employees and still not pay taxes---are the entitled. Oh that's why they don't hire more people--it takes money out of their pockets.

Now let's see what the sclerotic Vatican comes up with for Pope. Playing the high road while sweeping the rampant problem of the clergy's homosexual pedophile issues under the rug. That's right, just keep your eye on the color of the smoke.
That should be entertaining---little red shoes and all.

Bizarre from your standpoint perhaps, but semen retention is an integral part of health and longevity in Taoist medicine. Life is measured, in part, by the number of breaths and ejaculations.

What a laugh. If he were so inclined, you, this creep you're addressing and Janos & gang will be some of the first to be weeded out. Who do you think you're fooling. I know dorks keep claiming it's the DoD running this charade in the comments section, but I'm not so sure. Some of the crap that's proffered here comes straight out of the right-wing think tank playbook. It's the same crap being repeated by the entire right-wing propaganda machine, including Limbaugh, Beck and Hannity. JHK, in this latest post, indicated he is not politically right-wing, yet here you all are, pretending you have something in common with him. And, despite what others have said and how they set you up as yet another one of their foils, you are no liberal. Far from it. You're either a witting, or unwitting dupe to make the more onerous racist crap floated in this comments section somehow more palatable. Any reasonably intelligent person can see this is the ruse that's being played out here.

They are so concerned for their life that their anxiety makes life unbearable, even when they have the things they think they want. Their very concern for enjoyment makes them unhappy...

I will hold to the saying that: “Perfect joy is to be without joy. Perfect praise is to be without praise.”

If you ask “what ought to be done” and “what ought not to be done” on earth in order to produce happiness, I answer that these questions do not have an answer. There is no way of determing such things....
--Thomas Merton, The Way of Chuang Tzu

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There is no need to struggle to be free; the absense of struggle is in itself freedom. --Chogyam Trungpa, Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism

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Poverty is not the absense of goods, but rather the overabundance of desire. --Plato

Carol,

No offense but I think you're nuts...

I think I'm about to say that as I am working 6-7 days a week and I surely don't need your insane crap--I think this is the end of the road for me.

There's so little left on this blog for me. I'm accused of being a commie by Vlad the neo and a right winger by you.

I don't define myself by any constriction of these incredibly stupid definitions, by I know who I am and I don't need a nut like you to tell me.

Here's what everyone on this blog knows through the years by me. I am a progressive who is watching in horror as the the whole progressive modern movement is being driven down by those who no longer believe in a nation state.

Sorry you don't seem to get what I'm driving at but I'm no longer interested in you and your rabid attacks. It's just not worth getting crazy reactions.

There are better places to blog.

whitehunter,

perhaps you actually know something about semen retention beyond what you've read about it; Vlad doesn't; it's all intellectual conjecture derived from a mantak chia book or something similar.

At any rate, go back and read his post; it's incoherent. Whether spilled on the ground, or "retained", his larger point(probably unwittingly) was sperm withheld. Thus even a semen retention(ist)'is committing "murder".

But now you've caught my attention "whitehunter". Why don't you demonstrate your knowledge and tell all exactly why "semen retention is an integral part of health and longevity in Taoist medicine" and HOW " Life is measured, in part, by the number of breaths and ejaculations." ?

Furthermore, since life is measured by the number of breaths, according to you, please explain what the ideal "Taoist Breath" is and how one "measures" inferior breaths against this supposed "standard"?

The floor is now yours whitehunter. If you've got the goods it will be obvious; if not, you're just another expert speculator; the Hustler reading equivalent of a sexual intercourse expert who can tells us everything about fucking except how it FEELS. And we already have one or two of those types around here.

You gotta sublimate, Buck. That's what White Hunter and I are trying to tell you. Transmute Ching into Chi and Chi into Shen - and then Shen into Emptiness. But you can't sublimate what you don't have - thus the value of celibacy or retention in dual cultivation. I'm sorry this is hard for you. Take courage in the fact that it is for everyone. How do you think the male students of Cheng Man Ching felt when they were told that once a month was the max for a man over 35 or 40? And that once or twice a year was even better?

It's humbling to learn that a man has to train assiduously in this realm to just become the equal of an ordinary woman. They have the advantage here, dude - deal with it. As the Buddhist say, there are just two injunctions once the Path has been understood. Begin. And Continue. Maybe I'll see you on the Road.

But what is a Progressive? Progress towards what? Did you ever ask yourselves that? Or did you always know and just hide it from the rest of us. It obviously always was progress towards Communism. Always more Goverment. Always at war against individual initiative and Traditional American and Western Culture. And now you don't like what you get? Communism always fails and Communists always say that it wasn't real Communism - thus no invalidation. But at some point a mature mind has to admit that this is just a dodge.

Communism can't exist because it doesn't work. It's like one of those elements that exist theoretically, but have never seen. They only exist for a nano second under extreme conditions - at least to our eyes. Maybe they are stable inside stars or the vacuum of space outside the galaxy. But just as they have no experential reality for us, neither does Communism. Any attempt to implement it just creates dictatorship.

Really? Just don't do anything? The Masters have said otherwise. As Ramana said, Make all effort to become effortless. Bayzaid of Bistami (Sufi, I might have the name a bit wrong) said, "God cannot be found by seeking. But only those who seek shall find Him". In other word, seeking attracts Grace. Make the effort to put up the sail and then wait for the wind which "bloweth where it listeth."

Careful about Trungpa - he went wrong despite his learning, meditation, and exalted birth.

One time Mohammad was laughing, at ease with his wives. Umar knocked at the door and the wives hid or became deadly serious. Mohammad started laughing uncontrollably at the situation. He asked them why they changed so abrubtly. They said Umar is very grave, unlike you. Still laughing, he exclaimed, "Oh you Enemies of your own Souls!" I take this to be a warning against the externality that people are so prone to; indeed you will see people turn on a dime. Ever argue with a girlfriend and then hear her act all sweet when she gets a call?

Of course it's natural to react to different things and not always be the same outwardly. But perhaps it's a matter of degree - or whether the the Soul loses itself. Same Saints have said, be the same with people as when alone. And when alone, don't do anything that you wouldn't in front of people.

Good try, but I'm not buying it. Since I've been watching you, I've seen no attempt on your part to counter racist tripe. Silence is complicity. No progressive worth their weight would ever allow the crap that's been proffered here to go unchallenged. You've made it clear that you side with their camp as it relates to any new challengers, i.e. me, but there have been others. That puts you in league with them. You're the one who is nuts, not me, or anyone else who comes to this comments section and calls it for what it is. Your reaction to these freaks is not the reaction of someone who is genuine. If you're not nuts, then you are part of this charade. That wouldn't surprise me. This kind of nonsense goes on all over the web in order obfuscate and misdirect. Partisan apparatchiks are as despicable as intelligence agents. One and the same, as far as I'm concerned.

If you're a progressive, or progressively inclined, there is no way you can converse with vermin like the north georgia militia man with the immigrant wife. That weirdo has shown his true colors on too many occasions, and yet you pretend to have a mutual understanding with him. Give me a break. That's bull. That's why I don't believe you. That's why I think you are a fraud. Considering the stunts that moron has pulled on this blog, you should give him no credibility. None. Zero. And because you don't, you are now seen as in league with him, and anything you say, is taken with a grain of salt.

Careful there Carol. As Socrates stated, true justice doesn't seek to harm enemies. In fact, enemies are often as valuable, or more so, than friends.

We should treasure our enemies and antagonists; they are the abrasive grinding stones which enable us to sharpen our own tools.

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Industry as the construction of functions, the construction of partial functions, but invert the functions and let us the users be the functions for the functions, the cars are the living beings and observers and we are bringing them around and such, but the functions are always partial, always a means for another end which is a means for another end and so forth, the highway is a function for the cars which are a function for the jobs and so forth, but the network of functions can be delimited in any possible way and we can say the car tire and the headlight is a function for the highway and such, and confuse it all and let the partial functions extend in time and space, a trillion years of events across the universe is simply a function for a pebble, for a spark plug in an engine and such, the partial network of functions can extend in space and time and be constructed with so many partial chunks of things, not matter but things as thoughts, words, numbers headlights car tires, bricks and so forth, movies, concepts ,songs, all confused, all mixed up and all being functions or invariants of functions to other invariants, a function to invariant converter, we are the invariant, but we become a function and the number 8 becomes the observer invariant and so forth and such, break all barriers between mental concepts and compartments, mix it up, break away from the past, break through the barriers of logic and meaning, create new circuits in brain type observers, mix the words up, mix the concepts up, be confused, get it all wrong, invent the wildest, make it all go crazy, do it man, first gear its all right, second gear your out of sight third gear hang out tight, groovy man groovy, sock it to me, groovy man.

And then the factory is the end point, the final goal, the final symbol, or maybe the entire history of a factory is just a word in a language of another word and so forth, mix it up, put everything inside everything else, stable functions for partial ends and goals, but what is the partial end of a spark plug an ocean a star and a glass of water ? what function does that have as connected to a slab of steel ? (and all of the other possible combinations delimitations, the numbers are trillions the possibilities are trillions an ocean of functions, invariants, worlds, goals and tasks put upside down, all gone wild and crazy and such) and other partial goals and means and ends, and make them become total goals, no longer partial network of functions, but one monolithic function occupying all space and time and all meanings and so forth, and disconnect functions from use and meaning and make them become new universes and so forth, you get it...

the clown, the spark plug

the 8ape 8 spark

the clown plug

the spark

just sign out as god, just sign out as god...

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Aristotle asserted that only virtuous activity which results in the end result of happiness (eudaimonia)is that which receives praise. Which seems to be true if you think about it: We praise the virtuous ACTIVITIES that comprise and eventually fold into the greater end result, or that which is "final and self-sufficient".

I think Ront is championing Aristotle's sweet spot, "The Intermediate" where nothing can be added or taken away without deleteriously affecting the whole.

I've been thinking about leaving here too, BT.
It's just not holding my interest very well.
And I too get tired of opposing the eerie hates of those like "carol," and the RI.

Now, as regards Vlad insulting you while "carol" also insults you - I've always felt very secure in the the idea that if extremists are insulting one from both sides - that means one must be doing some very good thinking and writing.

And there is something wrong with carol. She has the idea that if one does not denounce every single morsel of expressed CFN-thought of which she ("carol") does not approve -

And does not denounce all such thought in spittle flecked frothy invective -

That one is working as some sort of foil here on CFN -

A foil for what, we ask?

Why - a foil for ANY thing of which that paragon of vague, undefined, yet apparently-left?-leaning virtue ("carol" herself) disapproves.

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whatever.
"carol's" crazy.
and a bit of a bitch, too.
no doubt.

If you're gonna' quit posting here, BT, then do what you've gotta' do. And if you find a better place, then please let me know about it.

But don't let the insults and innuendo of one crazy dimbuld drive you away.

dimbulB

"she" may be a crazy "bitch" but she doesn't seem to be dyslexic.

So, I didn't want to leave "dimbuld" hanging for her, like a perfectly ripened ovary.

whatever. right?

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Did you folks know that all true fruits of plants are actually ovaries?

Instead of carving the Halloween Pumpkin with the kids next year -

Tell them you are going to carve the Halloween Ovary.

haha hoho hehe

Here you go, Ozone, and any of the rest of you who care about anything more than your own onanistic thought bubbles 24/7.

http://knowledgeweighsnothing.com/101-uses-for-paracord-seriously-there-is-101-uses-listed-here/

Speaking of vanished posters.
I miss Welles, from SA somewhere.
He used to worry about dental floss, post SHTF.

A single piece of paracord (aka 550 cord) can be stripped apart into the nylon sheath and 7 (SEVEN) individual nylon cords. These individual nylon cords can be used for such things as fishing line and dental floss.

In my distributed family network we've got 1/2 mile of paracord. That's three and one-half MILES of potential dental floss.

Wells, even though we don't always agree about things - I'll be glad to share with you.

"carol," - you better lose the attitude, or your teeth are gonna' fall out, young "lady."

Carolonius Newporn: said:

No progressive worth their weight would ever allow the crap that's been proffered here to go unchallenged.

Some proffered crap:

"Stupid teenagers gone wild. Skin color doesn't play a part in it.

Carolonius responding to another posted incident of black mobs attacking whites.

Where did you get the idea that race is nothing but "skin color" anyway? Are you blind?

I want to see progress toward natural segregation, progress toward the rescuing of White racial identity, and progress toward securing the prosperity of White nations. So I'm a true progressive.

I'm a Buck Stud and Have a Giant Dick and Think that White Women are Like Barnyard Animals: said:

"Careful there Carol. As Socrates stated, true justice doesn't seek to harm enemies."

Where is Socrates when Ms. Pornquist is Jonesin' for White genocide and taking white lands and homes under the rubric of lesbian Janet Napolitano and Fema?

We should treasure our enemies and antagonists; they are the abrasive grinding stones which enable us to sharpen our own tools.

Point well taken, such as that I concur, but your professed attitude has little verisimilitude, if you will. Why not go and try to lift up your own people with 25-cent phrases and such instead of getting abraded here?

Have you ever deliberately walked to renounce the Sacred Car? Have you ever deliberately lived simply free of devices? Have you ever worked to foster the development of walking towns? Doubtful, all.

"One time Mohammad was laughing, at ease with his wives...the wives hid or became deadly serious...I take this to be a warning against the externality that people are so prone to...

In yoga externality is the fundamental problem. Meditation combined with continence is pursued to redirect and lift the life force back up the spine, resulting in pratyahara or the technical reversal of the great rolling train, at which time the world disappears, or, as in the case of the lower samadhi (savikalpa) becomes subtle ad malleable. Interesting that Mohammed would say something like this. Of course, the lack of yogic or metaphysical understanding is one of the weaknesses in Islam. That all seemed to collect in the movement of Sufism.

indeed you will see people turn on a dime.

In fact, every single night every wife is completely untrue to her husband next to her, and every husband abandons his wife. An interesting fact. What is so engaging that they will lay there 8 hours with nothing to do, nobody to converse with, nothing to read, and nothing to eat? They can't manage such long activity during the waking state. What is so engaging. (God.)

"indeed you will see people turn on a dime. Ever argue with a girlfriend and then hear her act all sweet when she gets a call?...Of course it's natural to react to different things and not always be the same outwardly...

Yes, one's transits are continually changing. One day he loves the song, next day it annoys. One day the woman is beautiful, next day the same woman is unsatisfactory to his eyes.

Ever argue with a girlfriend and then hear her act all sweet when she gets a call?...Some Saints have said, be the same with people as when alone.

Beautiful advice. Long time since I heard that one.

It naturally implies a stoicism that most would find unattractive, since most are bored or non emotive when alone. See how we go into big smiles and mood changes as soon as they get with others. (I almost fault myself for feeling so giddily happy and getting so mood-altered by the sight of my children.)

On the other hand, if the sage is blissful when alone, then he's blissful in both states and everybody is pleased with him. In fact, now he's really got something to give! That's the solution. Blissful always!

And when alone, don't do anything that you wouldn't in front of people.

Such as looking at porn and wanking, etc. Great quotation!

Of course it's natural to react to different things and not always be the same outwardly. But perhaps it's a matter of degree - or whether the the Soul loses itself. Same Saints have said, be the same with people as when alone. And when alone, don't do anything that you wouldn't in front of people.

I'm a Buck Stud, Boo!: said:

"Aristotle asserted that only virtuous activity which results in the end result of happiness (eudaimonia)..."

Continence results in eudaimonia.

Interesting point that Socrates, the teacher of Aristotle, preached brahmacharya or male continence. Yet "I'm a Tai Chi Buck Stud" is scandalized by such truck.

She refuses to see what Communism is just as you refuse to see the realities of Race. Check out Lucky's video. There's a real big Black girl in there you may like. She needs someone to console her: she thought she was gonna win that Beauty Contest!

CL sed, "Cluterfuck theory predicts the opposite

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Interesting permutation in bold. I like it. "

Its clear you are no novice to clusterfuck theory, or CFN for that matter. You're the guy that always points out grammatical mistakes, here under a new moniker.

There is too much tomfoolery going on at CFN of late. I'm sure it is all very amusing to try and write under new handles, inventing new personas, and whatnot, but there is greater skill involved in such fraud than that perpetrated here.

It is one thing to use proxys, invent accounts, use free emails, and spoof IPs. It is another thing altogether to express a completely different personality. It is more complicated than creating believable fictional characters, presented in third-person.

Valid point. But to what end do we coddle the enemy? It's a dance with the devil, or a moth flying close to the flame. It's like walking a tightrope. If finding and enabling enemies so you can sharpen your sword becomes an obsession, it's probable all that hard walk sharpening that blade will be for the ignominious fate of falling on it.

Of course, by inculcating an enemy, then coddling and enabling it, one can also more readily control negative outcomes, if for no other reason than those negative outcomes are your creation. But now we're moving from Socrates to Hegel, the latter of which no one understands, I'm convinced, including myself. Sure, there are those who pretend they do, but that's self-serving. Hegel's no longer around to tell them they're full of shit.

You mentioned that a number of them are psychic vampires. That is an apt metaphor. I watched a low budget movie last night called Compliance. If you get a chance, check it out, and when you do, or if you do, tell me that the perpetrator in that movie, meaning the guy impersonating the police officer over the phone, is not like some who post here. For him, his deeply disturbing perversion was merely a mind game. Life was just a game to him, and people were toys with which to play. He too was just sharpening skills, but he did it without an enemy. Instead, he objectified other humans as toys to be used and manipulated in sadistic ways.

C. Pornquest:

"...it's probable all that hard walk sharpening that blade...

What-the-hey-youtalkin-bout?

Of course, by inculcating an enemy...

How does, one inculcate, as it were, an enemy, if you will?

Hegel's no longer around to tell them they're full of shit.

Can you blacks ever give the 's' a nice break?

You mentioned that a number of them are psychic vampires.

Is a black man posing as a British white female who hates whites and getting white men to flirt with him:

a) not a psychic vampire?, or

b) a psychic vampire?

That is an apt metaphor.

apt, rapt, and gapped.

For him, his deeply disturbing perversion was merely a mind game.

That's your excuse for posting your sexual fantasies on Jim's blog?

...and people were toys with which to play.

Pretend I'm a black lady talking to you, "Carol":

"Uuh huuh."

"...instead, he objectified other humans as toys to be used and manipulated in sadistic ways.

You mean like possessing peoples' homes as part of a DHS mob? You froydian slippin.'

Always another movie.

Thanks for the link Lucky13. Quite the 'fashion show', eh? It looks like a good time was had by all! But hey, like I say to my wife when she asks me "how's Hartford?" when I get home from work in the morning, "At least I didn't get stabbed. So its good, I guess."

Conn. is THAT BAD?
Land of the billionaires and multimillionaires!

I will post next week about Krishnamurti.
I tried to post links and got blocked.

Do you live in the country or city?

Which one? Jiddhu or U.G? Also please use the archaic Hindoo spelling of Krishnamurthi - it recalls a bygone era of grace, dignity, and White Power.

THE REAL KRISHNAMURTHI!
The one who did not like being bald.
He of all those books. Jiddu!!!

I would not pay much attention to UG. I had a gal pal who met him and said he was dull.

At one point in his sadhana, UG was drinking 25 cups of coffee a day.

I finally watched the first episode of House of Cards...

Isn't Spacey cute with the southern accent and casual asides to the camera. There's a rule in film that one should never look directly into the camera...at the moment I can't think of the reason why. The soliloquy is very Shakespeare and he wrote about his leadership back in the day.

The cell phone has become so entrenched in our culture after 15 years on the market that it's no longer a distraction for me. It's just another tool in the box, another card in the deck. None of the characters have a problem keeping it under control. Zoe ignores her boss ringing her. Francis uses his cell ONLY as status symbol. The mobile phone's only point of contention is at the beginning when we see a desperate TEXT msg to Francis and his wife's subsequent "argument" for not being in the know sooner rather than later. Some of the phone work is done traditionally with office phones.

Zoe wants to do some REAL reporting a la Woodward and Bernstein and finally gets her chance. It's all a very complicated game of pinochle to me, so I can only enjoy watching the characters playing and not the actual game. It's kind of like watching british cricket or a 30 year old soap opera. Francis wanted a higher position and didn't get it so he's working people in order to do....what...exactly. There's a guy with ideas about how to govern...what...exactly. Oh...and every show needs a simulated sex scene...because...men are dogs?

James
I read The Long Emergency. It was good. Then I began reading your blogs. Also good. But now years later I am very disappointed in the fact that the responses have disintegrated into useless diatribes. The people who read your blogs are so strange and hateful that I am beginnning to question your motives. Are you part of the wheel that wants to plant fear and hatred. If you are then you have succeeded. The people who read you are nuts. I cannot believe the amount that dissolve into useless ego driven nonsense. If you are not trying to illicit fear and hatred then you should be disappointed that your philosophy of life is going in the wrong direction. If you truley care about our country why not start by blogging about constructive themes once in a while. Give ppeople hope and we will find ways to overcome hardships. That one ability is what elevate humans above animals. I submit that even the people who respond here are capable of working together for the good.

Explosionism as in the event, the door closing can be translated into a forest or compressionism, the forest can be compressed into a car tire, is the car tire, or the event, the door closing can be a mall, or a book, or a trillion thoughts and the compressionism the letters of a trillion books can be compressed into a pebble, is the pebble, or a city can be compressed into a chair , is the chair and so forth and all of the combinations and so forth and such.

Hey Vlad,

The sinkhole as US metaphor continues...

As I blow my goodbye kisses to this blog--Just want to say, I hope you're rich enough to handle what's coming down the pike.

I fight the toll booth economy we're entering where we will all continue to pay taxes for our economic and military global hegemony.
We bailed the banks to the tune of 13 Trillion and are slated to keep flooding the world with the fiat dollar, making austerity the only choice for we the people. Remember Margaret Thatcher's famous TINA, (there is no alternative).
Of course there are other economic models, but they are off the table. Only the inverted global communism will be considered.

Insider trading and fraud is totally acceptable when done by the untouchables, that's why they do it with abandon and the stupid people will continue to pay for this.

Yet we will also get no services or building of infrastructure here at home. Hope you're not driving on a broken down bridge in the future it could collapse on you.--What a way to die.

But no worries there are a million ways to die, from our food industry to our pharmaceutical, pollution and desparate attempts to drill and poison our waters for the last of the fossil fuels and much much more!

We will be paying through the nose for all services to private entities trapped on the stock market need to make a profit. All services will go way up every year. That's your market fundamentalism---hope you enjoy.

And I fight the buying up of cities and towns by private foreign interests. The sovereign wealth funds that now pay for many of our highways and parking meters are owned by a consortium of wealthy Arabs from Abu Dhabi. I just know you love that too!

If that makes me a commie than fine and dandy. Another stupid little word from a stupid little man.

And Carol, if my calling out Little Lord Blankfein for making a statement he would be better off not saying on camera, makes me a racist---then guilty as charged. I couldn't give a flying F what religion or race these creatures are and they are not all from one group BTW

--all I know is that they are breaking me and the 99% of the citizens in this country. All our asses are on the line.

Enjoy your slow collapse into t he sinkhole.

Bye, Bye


spark

And just look at all of the things, they can be combined and mean anything, everything can be a part of anything else or can be reduced or exploded into anything else and so forth, the house and car can be reduced to the mall and steering wheel (and imagine all the little details of all of these things and what they can mean and how many trillions of complex relationships, meanings, incredible things they all mean and such) and such and the opposite and the observer could be the pebble or the rock on mars and the thoughts can be the ocean wave and an electron and a photon inside a star and the observer could be the nucleus of Jupiter so forth, all mixed, wild mixes, all connected and disconnected, be the craziest, the craziest possible ideas and chunks of concepts and and ideas so forth forever.

And language itself, with all of its words and compartments, all of the things, not matter or energy or mass energy or existence, but things, anything, anything at all, wildly random things like belonging to any possible syntactical scheme, like a thought and an eye and an emotion and a pain and a symbol and a pebble and a history and a memory, a story, a book, a library, a computer and a "put any word or blocks of texts in this place holder" as any other thing, things and so forth and such can be all mixed up, cooked in a frying pan, or squashed together, melted together, crushed together, or boiled together, all mixed and vaporized and exploded together creating all kinds of new and incredible combinations of new creations, new things, new types of observers and experiences and universes and such, keep on mixing and cooking and connecting all things in the wildest way and create so many new things, new inventions, new contraptions and so forth.

And if there is no solution to any problems like the political or economical problems, then there is no cause and effect operating in the first place, it is not really even intractable since any model of cause and effect is wrong because it is not applicable and such. So we have events without any controlling causes, just a sequence of events with someone making believe that one event is the cause of another just because it appeared before, but it is not so, it is just a disjoint event disconnected from the next, there is no cause and effect, events without any cause, problems without any solutions and so forth (and really all social and economical and political problems will always be without any solution because their basis is simply contrasting will powers, A against B and this is irreducible to any possible solution, it is just a fight with a winner and a loser and the problem just changes hands and becomes the losers problem and such, the law of conservation of problems and such), so then there are no problems in the first place, if the rock on mars is too small and if I invent that as a problem, what causes that ? and why should I invent that as a problem in the first place ? problems are simply inventions our minds creates, models that we suppose reality should abide to and such, but there are no problems or models or causes and effects and such...


spark thug


P4C and Ozone

Check your email.

"We will be paying through the nose for all services to private entities trapped on the stock market need to make a profit. All services will go way up every year. That's your market fundamentalism---hope you enjoy." -BT

I'm sure he will; it's fascism unveiled (which he considers the perfect order of things). There is one little hitch though... he won't be one of the elite. He's already sold his services to da deb'bil, and his position of "slave to the machine" is now tattooed on his resume. ...Not So Smart

Thatcher was an abrupt descent into fascist authoritarianism and the UK (unsurprisingly) has suffered its' stranglehold ever since. One symptom that's easily observed is the suppression of reality and innovation. ...Not So Smart

The FUSA is following right along with this "program", so coming to grips with our predicaments is not up for discussion.

The UK precedes us a bit, and the effects will be more pronounced and in a more compressed time-frame because of the size of their landmass. They learned to feed themselves in WW2, but those techniques and the will to implement them have been kicked to the curb. (The population increase, as always, hasn't helped.)

The Confederation of Dunces has well and truly wrested control. Little to do now but watch the show. If it were a teevee [un]reality show, we might title it, ...Not So Smart.

Thank you for the considerate e-mail.

A few words from Jim Rickards for anyone interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeCqzwNnqyk

~UFIA

i hear bernacke got double 800s on his sats. so let's trust him.

If this is the real 'orionoir', welcome back.

You really have screwed yourself if you're emailing those on watch lists holed up in their bunkers armed to the hilt waiting for the Armageddon that will never come the way they expect it will.

Look, no commas in the above sentence. And they said it couldn't be done.

The village that JHK envisions cannot include the likes of georgia militia man. It would destroy itself. If that's where you seek your refuge from the coming storm, god have mercy on you. You'll be delivering yourself into the hands of tyrants and their petty fiefdoms. But hey, if that's your thing, go for it. You can play the damsel in distress. Sometimes I wonder if that's the type of female who is attracted to collapse; The type who is attracted to the myth of medieval times. Of course, the reality of those times is very much different from the myth. Just ask Philippa Gregory.

I bet Kyooshtik has been emailing behind the scenes as well, especially since it appears his most notable screen name has been banned. It's either that, or the authorities busted him for having kiddie porn on his computer.

The Confederation of Dunces has well and truly wrested control.
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A Confederacy

i hear bernacke got double 800s on his sats. so let's trust him.
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I knew a guy used this line to pick up chicks. ;-)

i hear bernacke got double 800s on his sats. so let's trust him.
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P.S. It's Bernanke

"Connecticut, land of millionaires and billionaires". -- Lucky13

The millionaires and billionaires are mostly in Fairfield County, an appendage of Manhattan, inside their walled estates. (fewer of them now. And a city like Stamford is filled up with Haitians) Altho, billionaire developer David Chase recently built a 12,000 sq.ft mansion on the east side of Avon Mountain, just a few miles outside Hartford, the poorest city in the United States (in 1920 it was the richest). What a contrast, almost third worldian!


1846: First modern oil well is drilled near Baku, by Russian engineer Fyofpr, Semyonev.

1858: First commercial oil well drilled in NAmerica, in Oil Springs, Ontario.

1859: First commercial drilled in US in Titusville, PA.

=CD

A question of interest to me:
What is the precise difference in the definitions that compels me to use one over the other?
(I shouldn't have capitalized, which leans directly to "widely-known title".)

And it's fairly obvious that, after all nits have been picked, it IS a bunch of dunces leading us down this road to damnation. ;o)

Hey Orionoir,

Nice to see your screen name again; hope you're doing well. And of course, it would be nice to read some of your stuff again as you're a true artist. All the best at any rate.

1861: Nickolaus Otto in Germany invents a gasoline fueled internal combustion engine.

1877: first ships powered up by oil fueled engines.

1882: Carl Benz in Germany runs first auto on gasoline.

1895: Carl Selden secures patent for 1st gasoline powered car in Detroit, US.

1896: Ford manufactures 1st cars.

1900: Worldwide demand for petroleum at 500,000 bpd.

1901: Azerbaijan worlds leading oil producer. Spindletop, in Texas, starts US oil boom.

= CD

What is the precise difference in the definitions that compels me to use one over the other?
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http://www.lectlaw.com/def/c273.htm

I recently read the book by John Kennedy Toole, another genius (like DFW) gone before his time via suicide.

The book is a treasure trove of New Orleans black vernacular and similar white vernacular. You must've loved it.

Yikes!
Those hairs are split even more finely than your usual! lol

And, no, haven't read it, but I certainly do enjoy reading vernacular in "written form". Stevenson was a master. Saw his residence in Somoa; nice spot.

Thank you for writing me a goodbye note - and confirming for all to see that you never understood me. I'm a for America, not the Corporations. I'm for an American Socialism, but one that would respect business and free enterprise, a mixed economy in the best sense of the word.

You? You speak of being a Progressive without defining it - just as Obama spoke of "change". And you are always for more Goverment and against the private sector. From that I can conclude that you are a Communist hiding in the Democratic Party, or if unconscious - one who lack the courage of her convictions. The Democrats have been moving Left for generations and now they have arrrived. We're almost at the killing time.

Leave if you must since you cannot bear the Light. True conversation is anathema to you since you were given all the "right" answers in your programming sessions in college.

The province of the intellect is to make distinctions - correct ones. Margaret Thatcher was a Libertarian not a Fascist. Fascism is a thing in itself, not just a devil word for everything you don't like. Be is another dummy, always talking about Corporate Fascism. There is no such animal. In Fascism, the Corporations are kept in line by the State. Sorry, but that makes more sense than killing them or making them work out in the fields.

Our System is Plutocracy, wherein the State is controlled by the Corporations and the Banks. See, the OPPOSITE of Fascism. You and Be Town are as wrong as you can be. The word you are "looking for" (if you wanted Truth but you don't) is Totalitarianism. But you like to slander Fascism or the True Right at every step - that is more important than Truth to you.

You are right that the Plutocrats loved Thatcher since that gave them free reign. Libertarianism is like Communism: it can never exist except on paper. But again, that doesn't make the Plutocrats Fascists. They're Plutocrats. Why isn't this word used? Because it's the correct one. Why would they allow themselves to be seen clearly?

"Inverted Totalitarianism"? Like reverse racism? C'mon, it's just Totalitarianism, just as racism is racism regardless of who is the perp and who is the victim. If you want more accuracy, use the word Plutocracy or rule by the Wealthy.

I'm for a Racism without perpetrators and victims. How can one hate Blacks when they're are no Blacks? The States where there are no Blacks are the least racist. The people of Montana are sitting ducks. This isn't what I want: they need to be warned.

thanks so much for the welcome, buck, kyoo, lucky 13. i have trouble keeping straight the places from wh i have banned me for life vs the ones to wh i can go back. :)

cfn is often on my mind... somehow recent events seem as if expressly made for the jhk's eloquent skewering.

lately i've been asking, what is it that we do when we participate in communities such as cfn et al, the myriad chats, boards and assorted anonymous exchanges of texts? i guess i'm purposely echoing raymond carver's story title, eg. what we talk about when we talk about love.

if worldly matters have been addressed here sufficiently, i wonder if anyone may have thoughts re. fwiw, my last blogspot post mostly turns this question over, albeit incoherently.

Hey Orionoir the Governor is dumping hundreds of millions into your University out there in Storrs. Have you noticed, are people any smarter?

==ComradeDystopia

we locals are way ahead of you... if the money truly does come to pass, there will be a huge influx of new profs and assorted hangers-on... which will bail out our pathetic real estate market like manna from heaven. yippee!

"health and longevity in Taoist medicine"

Does this concept have legs? Last I checked China was doing a brisk business hoovering up the world's keystone species, to be dried and ground and then poured down the throats of Chinks desperate for a 5 inch hard-on.

The only cool thing from Taoism is a groovy logo, and a neat tradition of praying to one's ancestors as if they were rock stars and not pig farmers.

KVoks says "The cell phone has become so entrenched in our culture after 15 years on the market that it's no longer a distraction for me. It's just another tool in the box, another card in the deck."

As if. Sounds like a piece of warbly Eastern wisdom.

Isn't it true that the lack thereof would be a distraction?

People are their cellphones. Wholly owned and operated.

Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.
-Benito Mussolini

Now, hie thee back under thy rock, new-speaking, distortionist pismire.

Truely sais, "If you truley care about our country why not start by blogging about constructive themes once in a while."

Destruction is a necessary part of construction. But most women don't believe that. The "D" word scares them. Makeup, for instance, is a cumulative process. You begin with an ugly face and apply layers until it is obscured.

Nature creates beauty by destroying a woman's body to create something more beautiful. So this is the reason for women's innate fear of destruction.

"Give ppeople hope and we will find ways to overcome hardships."

Take it away, and it attracts flies like you looking for a leader to lead them to the good times afterlife.

"That one ability is what elevate humans above animals."

No, animals clearly follow the leader to whatever new pasture or cache of fruit or sustenance. The essence of seeking a leader is exactly proof that we are simple hominids.

"I submit that even the people who respond here are capable of working together for the good."

In what way, exactly?

Race is real, the holocaust is a social construct.

THE HOLOCAUST JUST GOT MORE SHOCKING
http://nyti.ms/ZanaBr

O-aire says "lately i've been asking, what is it that we do when we participate in communities such as cfn et al, the myriad chats, boards and assorted anonymous exchanges of texts? i guess i'm purposely echoing raymond carver's story title, eg. what we talk about when we talk about love."

Too much poetry in the above statement.

I'm not going to put a gloss on this turd.

The internet is a black hole of wasted time and energy... for everyone. That includes all social media... up to and including everything 79iron has ever typed with his chin.

I liken it to finding other musicians to play with as the Titanic begins to list.

Wow, shocking stuff. The numbers aren't comprehensible. Perhaps a comparison is in order.

There are 98,817 forced indoctrination centers in the United States known by the euphemism "Primary Schools". These institutions are fully backed by the force of Federal, State, and Local law enforcement to indoctrinate children as young as 3.

Escapees are subject to arrest and threat of legal prosecution including separation of families is implied.

Surrounded by moats and sometimes high fences, these centers for brainwashing effectively convert millions of potentially productive and free thinking human beings into well-conditioned automatons for the continuance of the state's corporate power.

The programming begins with social hazing and brutal memorization games, in which respect and compliance are instituted. The failures of this system are socially ostracized and shuttled into a criminal justice system where an unofficial system of rape and intimidation is used to to control minds...

Welcome to the 21st

Yeah, I was a homeschooler. No better way to live. It's always gives a happier result to Raise Your Own Kids.

"...of praying to one's ancestors as if they were rock stars and not pig farmers.

Of course it must be pointed out: The average pig farm is more knowing and has better virtues than the average rock star.

"THE HOLOCAUST JUST GOT MORE SHOCKING
http://nyti.ms/ZanaBr

I saw that. How odd! I thought they said we already "know everything to be known" WWII and "the holocaust." And they say these are major facts. What other major facts are hidden. I think they just screwed up bigtime.

Yes, that what's I said, stupid. Now ask Benito, in this merger, who has the power or is it equal? I mean to say "merger" leaves alot unsaid, right? If you merge A and B, which is dominant? Or are are they equal? Or are both destroyed as such and only the materials used to create "C"?

You're no Philosopher, fellah. I am. Sorry.

Hey Bustin,

Social hazing in schools is heartbreaking. But what is the alternative to public schools?

Jen

I give you credit Be: you presented high level Liberal/Leftist material that you got from the N.Y Times, Paul Craig Roberts, etc. Some of this is fine and some of it is wrong. I fought the wrong stuff you were presenting. And like most Women and Leftists Males (not Men), you have a hard time with disagreement. You would have no problem with my POV if it was properly marketed and came from the right sources. You and your cohort could be moved by incremental steps to our point of view in the space of a couple of years. That's the nature of the ordinary mind. I mean look how Americans have been programmed to hate their own Race and Heritage! And in a few short generations! People who lived before WW2 wouldn't recognize us. The subversive point of view which is now the consensus was only held by a few evil people back then.

Where can you go? The Arch Druid Report is a Leftist Space and is strictly patrolled by the Arch Fool. You wont find any "bad thoughts" there. Also Comrade Ozzy informed us that the Comrade Orlov deletes posts he doesn't agree with. That's very attractive as well, eh Comrade bE?

Are you trying to change Bustin's post against Schools into an anti-bullying post?

The Anti-Bullying Movement is a Pro-Gay statist movement. Yes, the Mind Controllers use real issues and probelms (bullying is a problem) to push their Agenda.

The answer is Private Schools for the few who can afford them. Needless to say, let the buyer beware since bullying and and idiocy can be there as well. Home Schooling is the real answer for most and is unacceptable to the Authorities. Expect a huge crack down soon as has been seen in Germany.

SJM51 said "But what is the alternative to public schools?"

The underground railroad. Completely clandestine birth. Evasion of state control- no social security numbers, selective service, etc.

There isn't any alternative for most kids. Just being realistic. The system works too well. Most parents are successful products of it; they follow its directives without thinking. It is the water we swim in. No escape, no freedom.

The Jews tried to push the six million number before WW1 as well, but it didn't fly. Apparently it's some kind of Kabbalistic number. Six million have to die before the Messiah can come. Any idea where exactly it is to be found though? It doesn't seem to be in the Talmud or Zohar. The late great internet pundit Birdman Bryant thought it must have come from the Illuminati, perhaps the Rothschilds themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk

Children end up, of course, with far superior socialization when raised natural rather than institutionalized.

This is obvious to anybody who knows home schooled kids, unschooled, and non-schooled kids.

They usually can actually talk and even converse. They are friendlier. They form relationships with all kinds of people and ages. Have more human traits. Are approachable, well-read and knowledgeable. They lack all the negative coping mechanisms, tunnel vision, and shut-down features that institutionalized kids have.

If a child has a strongly aspected Saturn, on the other hand, they could thrive in an orderly institution and master. I have one kid like that.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/03/01/indonesia-they-also-murder-elephants/

Is there a good reason not to boycott this disgusting example of an observant islamic culture?

Or are the latest fashions from American Eagle too much to resist?

Then again, what about America's own animal confinement facilities, or the vast butcheries staffed almost entirely by immigrants?

We are people who apparently don't know we deserve to be stomped with Large Boots.

You really are an enigma. This is an excellent post, aside from the characterization of Thatcher as a Libertarian. Regardless of what she may have thought she was, what she was via her actions was something else entirely. She did her job well, if one views what her job was from the proper perspective.

I guess Q isn't called Q for nothing. On cue, Q rears his dutiful head, like the gimp.

SOME person's identity or character IS tied up with their cellular phone, clothes, suburban hut, seaside condo and hybrid car. Losing these security blankets will mean the END for THEM or a lack of progress in THEIR life.

Francis is a very distinctive character in that he is not about his house, his wife, his seat at the theater, etc. He's purely about political power. The first episode sums him up when he goes and gets a rib plate at 7:30 in the morning. He's a white southern man waking up a black southern man in order to have several rounds of BBQ ribs. That's deep.

There's the southern belle he came up the ranks with. He dances with her instead of his wife. That's deep.

Francis has HIS deeply private rituals that are the shadow of public ritual. He smokes. He drinks (which is why HE needs a driver!).
He eats ribs at a funky joint. He carefully collaborates with women in powerful positions. He gets violently angry when he loses.

Kunstler writes about the importance of ritual.
The long commutes to the centers of activity has to be replaced with something else. Amtrak reports that it makes most of its money on short runs in Chicago and the East Coast. Weather is playing too much havoc with our GRID. Detroit blight has become a national embarrassment. The PERSONAL vehicle is a stupid thing to have in a major metropolis with all the congestion it has produced. And all the rituals that go along with maintaining a vehicle is a waste of time that one ends up paying someone else to perform.


{The internet is a black hole of wasted time and energy}

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masculine black hole
chins this qwerty listlessly
writing bad po'try

Are you going without female companionship again Bustin J? I only ask because in one of your past surly CFN periods turned sanguine you wrote it off to 'getting laid'?

At any rate - since this seems like a good moment to address "semen retention" - I never said it was an invalid concept/practice, just that Vlad's "murder" inference was a bit weird.

In fact, I knew an old-time professional boxing trainer who absolutely insisted on sexual abstinence from his fighters (a few of them who fought for the title). Interestingly, according to this trainer, heavyweight fighters should abstain from sex for at least six weeks prior to a fight while the lighter weight fighters can get by with three weeks.(Recall that 'women weaken legs scene' from Rocky; esoteric Taoists and other Eastern traditions are not the only ones subscribing to the practice of semen retention for various reasons.)

But don't ask me why: I have no clue beyond the assumption that the fighters become more surly and pugnacious. For a more authoritative answer you might have to consult a professional astrologer :)

Excellent video here supporting the Janos post I recently lauded.

http://mashable.com/2013/03/02/wealth-inequality/

Yes, it's a plutocratic oligarchy, not socialistic fascism as Janos would have it.

All this talk of semen and sperm reminds me of this scene. I haven't seen it in quite some time. Perfect.

Every sperm is sacred. I nearly shit myself when the catholic mother is doing the dishes and a baby drops out of her birth canal and she unflappably asks one of the kids to get it so she can finish the dishes. No commas again. I'm on a roll.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk

I hope Chauncey Gardiner comes back. I'd hate for her to miss my next installment.

Here, this should help. It's where I get all my "lifestyle" advice and spiritual solace. ...And so should YOU!

http://www.celibacy.info/Awaken_Young_Men_Renounce_Mortal_Sin_Julian_Lee.html

This is what comes from thinking one has a handle on "truth". The laddie will make a fine acolyte though; he's been retaining his sperm for yeeeeears! (In jars in the 'fridge; saving up to create a more intelligent and physically less repugnant Aryan race.)

The praying thing is probably more of a Confucianism influence than Taoism. As I understand it, Taoism has two branches: the Fire Tradtion and the Water Tradition. And although both have physical training regimens, they do have distinct characteristics in approach. But just the very fact that they physical disciplines sort of answers the question of health benefits and Taoism.

What I find interesting is the assumption that philosophical foundations of the 'Western Tradition' have much in common with Eastern traditions, especially when one strips away the radical empiricism that has marginalized this aspect of early traditional Western thought. For instance, Aristotle's "Prime Mover" concept and 'thinking about thinking' or 'complete contemplation of contemplation' etc seems very similar to the 'witnessing mind' concept of Eastern traditions IMO.

{since this seems like a good moment to address "semen retention"}

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we do not necessarily subscribe to a program of semen retention as part of an everyday plan of personal health and hygiene, but there is one time in every man's life when self-discipline of this sort is absolutely critical. that is, and we paragraph now for emphasis:

* when committing a bizarre and/or grotesque murder for which the television show "csi - crime scene investigation" is likely to be involved, *never* *ever* leave semen on the ceiling. these people never miss this sort of thing.

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back when that show used to run, my ill-supervised children were avid watchers. somehow they had figured out what semen was, but, still, my daughter was compelled to ask, why is it always on the ceiling?

Mags once revealed to an interviewer that she didn't believe in Society. It should just be individuals contracting individuals with the State as the enforcer of contracts. This is Libertarianism. She's was just more honest (and clueless) than most.

"The Fed can afford to lose money because it can simply print more."
--The New York Times

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i am not sure the times meant this quote to be taken literally.

the printing of money is a fairly prosaic chore, driven primarily by metrics reflecting the economy's physical cash requirements (eg, $100 bills.) the meaningful units of money in the legal economy are almost entirely securities such as bonds, stocks, bank reserves, etc.

the us federal reserve's famous double mandate is to manage both inflation and unemployment. often people who want to see less unemployment lobby for "easing" of interest rates, which sometimes is called "printing money" in a slangy, ironic way. the right wing, protective of assets, often advocates "austerity," which favors inflation suppression over employment.

the fed keeps a balance sheet, of sorts. in order to drive rates lower it pushes hallucinated money into money center reserves; also, it buys up treasury debt and (lately) mortgage debt with the hopes that the flood of "cash" will find its way into the economy. these transactions are logged to its balance sheet, which by definition balances to zero.

the worrisome thing, of course, is the "size" of the fed's balance sheet. pessimists see an eventual day of reckoning. optimists take comfort knowing that the us dollar has been the coin of the realm for a long long time, and that when it comes to inflation and debt, what can any creditor do... after all, globally, debt is a zero sum. we have no creditors on mars.

"The laddie will make a fine acolyte though; he's been retaining his sperm for yeeeeears! (In jars in the 'fridge;

Ejecting your creative material in any way, demented one, is not continence. It does you no good externalized, in a jar. Try to comprehend that.

Reduce your masturbation and get less periods. You might become intelligent and even a bit less perverted.

Glad you're getting some research done that shocks you, confuses, and messes with your head, Nozone. A wanker needs to get out of his usual mental territory every now and then.

Welcome back, orionoir.
I'm on my 4th screenname, so I don't think you need to be worried overmuch about being banned - not here, anyway.

This article was interesting, if somewhat random to this week's CFN.

"IN the beginning, the technology gods created the Internet and saw that it was good."
(snip)
"Then someone invented “reader comments” and paradise was lost."
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/opinion/sunday/this-story-stinks.html
And a reader of this story comments:
"Or is it that some sites have a feral population and some have a more collegial readership?"
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I'll argue that this site has an extremely "feral" population. Part of that is due the nature of the topic, collapse. And part of it is JHK's writing style - which tends to attract untamed people who think and write as he does.

And yeah, a little moderation would help, but mostly to get rid of those who post excessively.
I like the diversity, and I especially appreciate a blog author who has the cojones to tolerate opinions that differ from his own.

"If you're a progressive, or progressively inclined, there is no way you can converse with vermin like the north georgia militia man with the immigrant wife. That weirdo has shown his true colors on too many occasions,..."
-cn, to bt-

You know, "carol," now your foolishness has driven off one of CFN's more thoughtful posters.
You should look into your character to learn why you are constantly getting fired and driving away worthwhile people from your life.

Perhaps you should start by pointing to one specific post of mine which you find to be "vermin-"like. Those are strong words. I don't
think you can back them up. Just like you never backed up your lies about the value of high and unchecked immigration into the US.

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Anyway, "carol," I've decided you are either a fish or a bird - based on your nasty verbal habits exhibited on this thread, because

CARP and SNIPE

seem to be the extent of your basic repertoire.

OK, Julian, and you too, Janos -
(are you the same poster??)

I believe that Christianity has racial tolerance* as one of it's core values. Consider the actions of Philip with the Ethiopian, Acts 8:26-31.

*Christianity also has admonitions against suicide as a core value. This is why I object to out-of-control immigration. And it is why those who invoke "racism" in defense of immigration are especially detestable vermin, IMO.

But is racism is detestable, why do you want your race to survive? Or even your nation - a nation being nothing but a Tribe (all of the same race) that made good? Bringing in Black Slaves was a terrible blow against the White Race. As was any kind of 3rd World Immigration.

You imagine and idealize a mixed race nation, but such a thing is either sick or dying. And Christianity doesn't say anything either way about this. Judaism preaches the Nation. But yes, as a universal religion, Christianity cannot deny Blacks membership. But a White Christian State could. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, Gorp.

Believe it or not, Buck, I have a sense of humor and a poetic license to kill.

You're dodging the question, Janos.
I'll let you phrase it as a statement:

"But yes, as a universal religion, Christianity cannot deny Blacks membership." -js-

"but, still, my daughter was compelled to ask, why is it [semen in CSI] always on the ceiling?"

You find this funny? Congrats on your shitty fathering, moron.
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Exaggeration is the mother of humor (or some such) but I must agree, the ceiling is a bit far-fetched.

To be more realistic there was Pine Hill Annie. Pine hill was our Dogpatch some 15 miles to the southeast down the White Horse Pike and Annie was an accommodative Daisey Mae... no arm twisting required. Annie single-handedly caused to be launched a viscous Q-load that wound up dangling from the roof liner of a '56 Chevy Bel Aire. Needless to say I do not subscribe to the retention of vital fluids nonsense you and Vlad are pushing. And I have no idea how the planets were aligned that warm summer evening but I DID see stars.

{Congrats on your shitty fathering, moron.}

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presumably it is you, kyoo, who reviews busted balls' comment, which, let me guess, is this village's number two advocate of sperm retention. true?

as my paternal honor has thus been sullied, recumbent it is upon me to respond in kind. but something tells me my detractor has no paternity for me to insult. i may be wrong re this, but two clues guide me thus: he hates women, and he keeps his cum in jars. thus, as did say lady macbeth, he has no children.

the great irony of life, of course, is that sometimes apples fall quite far from the tree. perhaps they did learn one great lesson, that is, not to be like me. still, to enders, goldbugs and seers of demise, i offer this one countervailing trend: this new generation will save us all.

"is this village's number two advocate of sperm retention."

We are advocates of classical male morality, which involves reducing your periods and wasting less of yourself. Your ancestors for the last 20 centuries lived a culture centered around this male morality. If it shocks you you need to get out more.

"And Christianity doesn't say anything either way about this."

On the other hand much could be pointed to in the words of Christ, as well as the things He did NOT say, that imply naturalness as a Christian value. It is natural to have racial communities, to prefer your own, and marry women like your female relatives, to prefer their look the best, etc. Christ was an advocate of human naturalness and many of His metaphors or parables assume it as a value.

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