Cloacal Finance


     With the kind of aplomb characteristic of a waiter lifting the silver serving dome to expose a roasted goose, Europe has looked deep into its organs of finance and produced 100 billion E-bucks for the ailing banks of sad-sack nephew Spain.  Where did all that money come from? Out of Europe's ass. That is where all new money comes from these days: an international diarrhea of money. Maybe that is why the great nations of the West feel like shit.
     They are not likely to feel better if they keep shitting money all over themselves. Rather, they will end up sitting in the gutter in Chinatown being laughed at by Chinese businessmen passing by on the sidewalk. The Chinese businessmen will glance down and say, "Look, here are the clowns we used to see at Davos, Switzerland, every year eating foie gras. Now they are pathetic crack-heads beshitting themselves. And, hark, the lice crawling all over them are shouting and banging on pots!"
     We are those lice.
     This is what comes of pulling money out of your ass. Sorry to be so graphic but it is not a pretty story.
     The Spanish government now turns around and lends money to Spanish banks choking on bad debt. The Spanish banks will instantly vomit up bonds in return. The bonds will be of an unsecured subordinated kind as to be perceived as functionally worthless, and (according to financial flaneur Bruce Krasting) will inspire a subordinating of bond-holders all over Europe and hence either a massive dumping of bank bonds or an orgy of credit default swap bets between counterparties absolutely unable to cover their side of the wager.
      We're at the point where money has been asked to perform like a trained monkey in the street, doing all kinds of tricks to distract the public from the sad spectacle of the monkey's owner dying in the gutter. When the owner expires, the talented monkey will not know what to do with the coins that passersby tossed to it.
     These street scenes of late spring, 2012, represent what they call "unhealthy life choices" in the rehab business. All the once-great western economic powers have decided to become crack-heads, winos, and beggars with amusing monkeys. They are all dying of their addictions. They are all dark stories with unhappy endings. They all ended that way because the addicts refused to make different decisions that would have drawn them through a frightful passage out of their addiction into a new place with a different psychology.
     The frightful passage at issue is the reality-mandated economic contraction that the planet and its very various inhabitants require for a necessary re-set to health. The human race can either get with the program or expire in the gutter of its septic industrial slum. To fully understand the meaning of contraction, you have to at least first entertain the possibility of no further expansion. The doctors in charge of the case can't stretch their minds to imagine that possibility, so their ministrations are at odds with the requirements of reality. Rehab is not going so well.
     Of course, we lice on this body politic will not be so happy when the body slumps against the curb and exhales its final rattle of breath. So, bang those pots and yell as loud as you can as we move into a summer of criticality. Crawl down to Charlotte, NC, or Tampa, Fla, to the political conventions, and be heard. Fellow lice: America was once a great body to live on, six-foot-three, mounted on a white steed, a sword on the hip, resolute and brave. Look at us now! See how we are!
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747 Comments

First!

The lies and the new real estate ventures just keep building, don’t they James?

http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/capture-the-flag-just-another-divine-comedy/

best, kC

The financial system has become a giant ouroboros, but the snake has a dozen different heads and as many tails, all in a giant tangle, like a bucket of clamworms ready for dissection. The course is not changing, the ship is not turning, because it was built without a rudder. We can only wait and prepare for when collapse arrives.

Visit The Leibowitz Society at http://leibowitzsociety.blogspot.com for discussion and commentary relating to our collapse and future.

Whew! that s quite an expressive image suh...cloacal finance! indeed, the EU have pulled it out of their ass; now ireland is lining up for another turn at the [trough, spigot, toilet,fountain- pick one]; guess we ll see if the banksters "brought" enough for everyone...

Hot dogs! Hey, hot dogs! Get 'em while they're hot! Spanish bonds! Got Spanish bonds here! Three for a dollar! Peanuts! Get yer fresh peanuts...

I fully expect to be able to buy Spanish bonds from a vending machine located right next to the condom dispenser at the Ontario Motor Speedway.

Please do not apologize for using graphic images for what is befalling us (fer shits sake)!

Sometimes a slap is necessary to awaken the body politic as it drunkenly lolls, beshitting itself.
Plus, you use the language exceedingly well, which makes it entertaining, in a macabre sorta way.
Would that more people could express themselves ick-ily with such panache! ;o)
Signed,
-Fellow Nit
(I know, that's just the egg casing; I'll have to look up what a single "lice" would be called...)

China should enjoy reveling in our demise while it can. When bodies die, the lice infecting it crawl away to infect other living things.

BTW, shouldn't that be 100 billion, not 100 million, in the first graf?

Oh, "louse". Sorry, momentary shut-down of the neurons there...

Most (of us) know the sad state of our state. However, not a single place have I seen the WHY of how we got here.

so I'll supply the why:

A debt based monetary system (which is what we got) is designed/doomed to fail. Works great as long as the lice have the means to borrow money as that is the only way new money gets into the system (excluding QE). Even the government is forced to borrow it's own money!!! It's a ponzi scheme. New money carries the seeds of our destruction as more debt is created with every dollar borrowed into existence.

There is no way out. The end is assured. Destruction of debt money as a monetary system.

How that gets done is still a mystery... probably won't be good.

I've never understood the concept of continual unlimited economic expansion. It seems to me that that would entail unlimited population expansion.

It would not end well.

Jim, perfect breakfast talk this A.M. with all of the scatological references, lice, and gutter dwellers. I think, however, in referring to those necromancers, the International Banking Cartel: IMF, World Bank, Central Banks, Wall Street etc., the metaphor of cannibals for the bankers and the nations (and the people) as the repast is better suited. Like the recent cannibal attack in Miami (or Maryland, or Canada for that matter,) naked and unashamed of lunch selection, one Rudy Eugene dined on the poor, homeless Mr Poppo who lost most of his face and remains in critical condition. We, indeed, entire countries, are being eaten alive by the money-changers ( that reminds me - where is John Corzine?) I cannot imagine what/who is for dessert?

Well Jim you could tell your relatives to stop going on the air or in print telling the goofs in the financial rackets to keep doubling down. Even Ben Stein who I thought was leveled headed was pimping for the "system" yesterday.

"To fully understand the meaning of contraction, you have to at least first entertain the possibility of no further expansion. The doctors in charge of the case can't stretch their minds to imagine that possibility, so their ministrations are at odds with the requirements of reality. Rehab is not going so well." -JHK

Mr. James,
This is the part of your missive that I find constantly mystifying. The pretending that things are something other than what they are.
I don't think we're understanding who and what the entrenched status quo benefits, otherwise this utter foolishness would not continue.
(I guess we all prefer our lies to be on the comforting side, as well, but this can-kicking is only exacerbating the conditions for societal upheaval; seemingly exponentially, at that.)

"They tried to make me go to rehab but I said 'no, no, no'
Yes I've been black but when I come back you'll know know know
I ain't got the time and if my daddy thinks I'm fine
He's tried to make me go to rehab but I won't go go go

I'd rather be at home with ray
I ain't got seventy days
Cause there's nothing
There's nothing you can teach me
That I can't learn from Mr Hathaway"

So, how's Ms. Winehouse doing these days? Oh... denial of the problem didn't work out all that well? Next case!

There is some irony in the word apocalypse being a Greek word that means lifting of the veil of truth in an era where the majority of mankind is dominated by falsehood and misconception.

There is usually a considerable amount of chaos following these lifting of the veil moments in history as everyone struggles to adjust to the great reset of perceptions back towards the new reality.

I think the primary falsehood and misconception (of many) that the majority of mankind is currently dominated by is the idea that debt and money are one in the same. The majority of mankind currently believes that a problem of too much debt can be solved by more debt.

Another falsehood that the majority believes is the idea that the world is powered by money and more money will always produce more resources. Nevermind that most of our money is really debt in the form of claim checks against future resources.

A time is coming this year and into the next where the light bulb goes off that there are way more claims against resources than the future could ever produce. The current global free floating exchange rate system has only been around for about forty years while just listening to the majority you would think it had been around for forty forevers.

I am not worried about Spain or Iceland or Ireland or Greece. I am worried about the USA and our ability to withstand another meltdown. Because another meltdown is coming due to Congress taking funds away from the oversight committees and the investigators who look for cheats. If no one is there to oversee Wall Street, what’s to prevent Wall Street from engaging in activities creating another 2008 Financial Meltdown? No one on Wall Street ever goes to jail because nothing is ever investigated. Or is Congress so corrupt that they don’t want anyone looking too closely or we might see their hands in pockets they don’t belong in, helping themselves to loot that isn’t theirs to begin with.

Spain can collapse. Greece can implode. If the US does, than everything else will tip over like a line of dominoes. And then we’re all cooked. Common sense tells you that only an insane person would allow this to happen. But Congress isn’t insane. It must be corruption, plain and simple. Nobody ever goes to jail anymore so Congress feels free to grab everything they can. Absolute greed and corruption trump sworn duty and common sense. And to think, we pay their salaries -- pay them to rob us! Disgusting! Here is the NYT’s link --

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/10/opinion/sunday/lost-the-vote-deny-the-money.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

mark, the folks at the Agora Publishing group (Bonner, et al) and the Doug Casey bunch have been screaming at the causal hows and whys for years and years. Many, many others as well.

The reasons have been becoming ever more obvious since around 2006/2007. Articles discussing them aren't in the MSM, of course, but they are indeed numerous.

"Fellow lice: America was once a great body to live on, six-foot-three, mounted on a white steed, a sword on the hip, resolute and brave."

When was that exactly? When we were pillaging our own continent or when, after we hit the west coast, we went on to despoil the rest of the world? Americans like to think of themselves in such heroic terms, but then psychopaths usually do.

Thanks, Scott.
Again, who would benefit from this mistaken perception?:

"The current global free floating exchange rate system has only been around for about forty years while just listening to the majority you would think it had been around for forty forevers."

"To fully understand the meaning of contraction, you have to at least first entertain the possibility of no further expansion."
-jhk-

Well said, JHK!

And as long as the population of the US increases through incoming immigration - we force ourselves, and the rest of the World, to continue expanding toward the edge of the cliff.

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"To fully understand the meaning of contraction, you have to at least first entertain the possibility of no further expansion."

Precisely the issue at hand. It is unimaginable, unthinkable, untenable to us that growth is at an end. Therefore, to pretend it is not; that the debt crisis can be 'fixed' without a drastic reduction in living standards, debt itself has now become the new inverted currency; the new ecomomic drug de jour. It is bundled and sold like dry goods. How sad for 'investors' keen on garnering that comfy retirement. Boy are they going to be pissed when all that 'wealth' turns out to be worth, well, nothing.

More people more unsolvable problems. What fun.

"To fully understand the meaning of contraction, you have to at least first entertain the possibility of no further expansion."

Precisely the issue at hand. It is unimaginable, unthinkable, untenable to us that growth is at an end. Therefore, to pretend it is not; that the debt crisis can be 'fixed' without a drastic reduction in living standards, debt itself has now become the new inverted currency; the new ecomomic drug de jour. It is bundled and sold like dry goods. How sad for 'investors' keen on garnering that comfy retirement. Boy are they going to be pissed when all that 'wealth' turns out to be worth, well, nothing.

Lice banging pots on a dying body works not only as a metaphor for citizens in a society with a dysfunctional economy, but also for the inhabitants of a biosphere that is starving, sick, and running a fever. Last week, an international team of scientists from the United States, Canada, South America and Europe published a study in Nature stating that the Earth was heading toward a tipping point in the very near future because of overpopulation, habitat destruction, and climate change. We may be nearer that tipping point than we realize, as the U.S. just completed its warmest spring on record. While metro Detroit is seeing trees leaf out and fireflies appear earlier than ever before, not all is good with a warmer Michigan. These could be signs that things are seriously out of wack. To put concerns about the economy in perspective, without nature, there is no society. Without society, there is no economy.

I blogged about the tipping point study over at Crazy Eddie's Motie News this morning. Other topics this past week included China's efforts at sustainability and the Sino-American relationship, Michigan's Republican Secretary of State screwing over the Libertarians (Democrats aren't the GOP's only rivals), Paul Krugman "wagging the Dalek" on Bill Maher's show, and the aftermath of the Wisconsin recalls, including a special song for corn pone fascists.

Happy Motoring--for now--from Detroit!

http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/


Why isn't Eric Holder in Prison ? and never mind his boss who looks to soon be facing his own Watergate-Style moment.

The tide is out.

The emperor and his cronies are All Naked.

What a pitiful, disgusting site.

america, Nation of Nothing and Crooked Nobodies.

ps: In case you didn't know this, the Private Sector is doing fine. More union thug cops and fireman is the answer.

when you don't have true expansion, the only way to get richer is to take the money from someone else. It looks like expansion, but only for so long as there is money to steal. In our case, the masters are stealing from the slaves.

Oddly enough the slaves are giving it to them willingly.

The Chinese are clearly doing the same thing as the Europeans and US in terms of creating Vapor money. Their illusion will end as ours does, with a great reset.

We humans never do something unless we are forced to. We won't hit the rest button until it hits us first. At that point, after a great conflagration, some leaders will emerge to show the remaining slaves the way to salvation.

Aimlow Joe was here
http://www.aimlow.com

Meanwhile, high gas prices destroy demand, while lowering prices make all that fracking and tar sands removal uneconomic, which happens to be the only thing preventing a decline in supply: aka Peak Oil. But they won't say it, because they're too busy plundering the place.

www.offthegridmpls.blogspot.com

I Am A Beggar Always by E. E. Cummings

...

you might as well
toss him a few thoughts

a little love preferably,
anything which you can't
pass off on other people: for
instance a
plugged promise-

...

"We have evolved a culture so heavily dependent upon the continuance of exponential growth for its stability that it is incapable of reckoning with problems of non-growth ... it behooves us ... to begin a serious examination of the ... cultural adjustments necessary ... before unmanageable crises arise..." - M. King Hubbert


Just about everyone is so completely brainwashed by our culture that the last thing people will think of will be the impossibility of never ending exponential growth. Reality is simply not going to dawn on most people, even as the system collapses all around. The myths and delusions we live by blind us from Reality. Ask the Romans or the Easter Islanders.

Wow Jim,

That was a tour de force! The imagery portrayed was very provocative - a triumphant knight on a proud steed to a soiled, leprosy-ridden crack addict. How far we have fallen, truly.

I do take exception to being called a louse, but I've been called worse. Perhaps you're suggesting we each have a small role to play in this mess? I believe that to be true.

As a side note: I don't mind the body politic defecating money as long as some rains down on me in particular, as opposed to the banksters exclusively!

-glaucus
[url]www.planningdown.wordpress.com[/url]

ccm989:

I suggest you take a listen to the segment on financialsense of Friday about financial derivatives.

The banks have a massive labyrinth of phony bond insurance they have bought and sold amongst each other known as credit default swaps.

This is 100% legal.

But the punchline in my view from that interview is this:

Why doesn't Congress reform the system by regulating or outlawing derivatives?

Because then it would be exposed that the banks are all bankrupt, they would all blow up, and we would have a financial crash that make 2008 look the good old days.

The banks have explained this to Congress. That is why they don't regulate.

Cast your minds back, Poppets, waaaaay back to Saturday last... [mental meandering music cued]

Some icky thought on "cloacal finance" enemas from Ilargi:

"So reality is off the cards. No truth for you; word is you can't handle it. And if you can't handle the truth, what are the chances you can handle reality when it catches up with you?

And now that we're asking questions, answer me this one: where's the growth going to come from that your leaders are dangling before you?

Tick 'em off: not from Spain, not from Greece, that's the easy ones. Not from the PIIGS. And not from the FANG countries (Finland, Austria, Netherlands, Germany): their production numbers are falling as we speak. Not from the US, which are hopelessly stuck in their unemployment swamp (officially and unofficially), which have a housing market that has a long way down ahead yet even with (or because of) 40 million underwater "homeowners“, and which have so much government debt only divine intervention would offer solace (which is perhaps why so many Americans attend church). And not from China either, where numbers are falling so hard a soft landing looks like a faraway dream.

This is a classic Mexican stand-off. Europe can't afford to save Spain, and it can't afford to not save it. I've said it before: there is no solution for Europe. In its battle for credibility, it destroys that very credibility, since it has no choice but to expose its weaknesses in the process."

Icky details of the shit-sammich fillings:

http://theautomaticearth.com/Finance/europe-a-thousand-miles-behind.html


Yes, they write about the facts of debt money but never the truth of debt money. Want to know why our freedoms are being whittled away? - we're no longer citizens, we're consumers; because only consumers(excluding QE) can borrow new money into the system... so what's you're value to the state? only that you can borrow new money into the system...absent that ability, you have zero value. That's why money is moving to Asia... it's not just factories and cheap labor... it's that they're fodder for bankers... they can borrow new money into existence...we can't.

What's the end game for a people who no longer have value? Like us. Why are we engaged in pointless wars... that sap our strength, capital, and values... are we not being stripped to the bone so as not to present a threat to the worlds new enforcer - China.

Truths are much more valuable than mere facts... but without facts you're unlikely to arrive at the correct truths, especially so if all you've been trained to do is look at facts...

so much more but that's enough for now.

Honor the contract? Abide by the treaty? Pretend there's actual credibility and solvency?
What, are you fuckin' kidding me?

Oh yes, there will be balkings...

I couldn't agree more. America likes to think of itself as a 'Christian' nation but based on history and by all present appearances we never have been nor will we ever be.

I think the majority of mankind has benefited at least in the short term. I read a statistic that 25% of all goods and services ever produced in the history of mankind have been consumed in just the past 10 years. It is going to be difficult to maintain that sort of trajectory of parabolic production and consumption.

The fixed rate exchange based on a dollar pegged at $38 the ounce gold failed because U.S. resource production peaked along with U.S. oil production and was eclipsed by debt creation. President Nixon defaulted on the global fixed rate established after WWII by closing the gold window in 1971 and the World went strictly fiat thus extrapolating U.S. production globally and essentially extrapolating a failed regional economic model globally.

The same fundamentals that caused the U.S economic model to fail 1n 1971 are now in place globally except now there is no other worlds left to extrapolate infinite growth in production, consumption and debt creation.

Explain how we got here? Really? For starters, unsustainable standard of living, finite resources of a tiny planet and greed, greed, greed. Pretty easy to understand.

Ambrose Bierce or Louis Ferdinand Celine couldna said it better. This is why we're here.

--WSP7

So, it seems that with that $125 Billion bailout, the can has been kicked down the road one more time. The spectacle when the solids eventually hit the fan en masse is sure to be something to behold.

http://www.Thesisa.org/

We were going to go to Paris (first time) in September. Don't know if we'll make it with all the sh*t flying around in Europe — what will the economy look like in 3 months??? I always wondered if the air travel system would fall apart before we made this trip, now I wonder about the crumbling economy "across the pond" happening first.

Or — could it make it better (cheaper) for travelers? That is, assuming there aren't violent marches, looting, and rioting!

I had to look up cloacal and it ain't pretty. It even comes up as a misspelled on my browser, lol.
Perhaps befitting an errant species of hungry ghosts, one that never learned the meaning of when enough was enough.

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@both of you, actually: it occurs to me that the only way the 'financial system' CAN work- for lack of a better word (sorry for all-caps; i can t find itallics) is if only the banks get the money/debt; otherwise, inflation becomes an instant factor...combined with the Bank's obligations, and with aimlowjoe's observation re suspension of growth etc, civil war is at least IMnotsoHO a BEST case scenario...

Wrong, wrong, and more wrong.

A corrupt monetary system got us here. Those things you cite, and many more, are simply symptoms.

Debt money is a fraud on the people. A fraudulent monetary system encourages fraud at every level of public and private life. And that's what we got.

Look around you and discover real truths about what we are.

almost like in order to save the world, we gotta give europe to germany after all...shudder

Yes, the Euro-peons have been set up to take the first major hit. And yes, the Chinese will be peeing on them as they roll in the gutter; but not for long. The Chinese will have a consequent financial paroxysm, as will USA. They might even go first. Afterwards, the oligarchy hopes to rule a world composed almost entirely of peons.

The financial oligarchy controls all the central banks, all major political parties, all western governments and most major western corporations including all of the major financials and media. There appears to be collusion because they all serve the same masters. Conflict, when allowed, is directed to profit the oligarchy, and/or reduce participants to enhance their control.

This situation cannot be "reformed", as anyone in a position to do so is part of or subject to the control group. This system is not sustainable, because limited resources cannot expand and the parasites are killing the hosts by demanding more for each "fix". The oligarchy is well aware of the required contraction. Their current task is to slow and direct the collapse, seize as much real wealth as possible, and obsfucate their role, so their designated survivors are in position to control the remnant population through what arises to rule it.

well said, so far...

For a $125 billion burger today I will gladly pay you Tuesday...

Its like watching a multiple vehicle pileup on the freeway in extreme slow motion.


"The problem is not Government debt per se. The real problem is the $70 trillion in G10 debt is collateral for $700 trillion in derivatives."

http://www.scribd.com/doc/95493792/The-End-Game

Thanks again.
Astounding how the "rest of the world" went along with that scenario for a few measly burnt crumbs from the edge of the pie.

Hard-ass post. Too bad this tough talk will be minimized by those who really need to consider it.

The state will want to take action to quell the coming uprising, jack-booted thugs, stormtroopers, holy warriors, will all be summoned.

They will all battle the people as long as they are willing to fight for nothing.

Well - everybody likes a good rant. And this week's was as good as any - no use in spending effort at thoughtful prose. "They" don't get it - and even if they hear your screaming they are just as likely to laugh you off.....

Which brings me to this week's attempt to elucidate thoughtful discussion from this vacuous pit of scat and drivel.

What do I want to know? Who are they?

How monolithic is the "cause" of the rich? Are there no schisms among them? Are they all equally greedy? All equally guilty?

How can the masses respond to debt/slave Masters that are largely anonymous? What organizations do these Masters commandeer for their own selfish purposes?

Is there no way to at least attach a moniker or symbol to their villainy?

Am I supposed to rage against "the one percent?"

Please continue Clusterfuck below?


Hate your prospectus...
But, just because I hate it doesn't make it any less plausible.
(Lyrical possibilities percolating from the "obfuscation" comment.)

Reminds me of the comic Ron White, who said about his excessive drinking:

"I woke up this morning and somebody had shit my pants."

Well, aren't YOU gonna tell ME? ;o)
That would be what the obfuscation is alllllll about.
Go public and go directly to the nearest lamp-post, dark basement or shallow grave. The military/security state is put in place to protect _______. Fill that blank in correctly and you'll always find the perps. (Big Dick Cheney and his sidekick, Shrubbery would provide a glaring, unveiled example.)

Tough question to answer, short of book length.

One decent analysis of "who are they?" can be found at Silver Bear Cafe in several essays.

PigsWings2

might be a good place to start


Thanks as always for your Monday morning post, JHK

Political and Economic Inertia doesn't mean we aren't sliding into collapse.

You have a choice---fast collapse or slow mo collapse.

Obama had the moment in 2008 that could have changed the trajectory of collapse, but he chose instead to continue the policies. As you say, JHK, we had to take some nasty tasting medicine, but we may have been out of the eye of the hurricane by now. He had his chance and blew it!

Now he's left saying the private sector is doing swell.
Who is he referring to --the Banksters? The transnational CEO's?
All those benefiting from inverted communism?

He could have done the Reagan move which was to put the banks into receivership and criminalize their activities due, or course to the very deregulations that created the monster. If Reagan did it, so could Obama.

Imagine if the untouchables like Corzine and Dimon joined their friend Madoff and some Mafia characters in jail --imagine the brilliant and talented plans they could have hatched together.

But seriously imagine if they re-instated Glass Steagall and these idiots couldn't do the derivatives dance anymore. Maybe the stock market and IRA's for retirement would have been a safer place to put your money.

The counter-intuitive move was to keep doing the same thing. It's Bubbles Global Inc. and it's eating the Eurozone as we speak.

Yep they bought into our financial neoliberal model and now they're doing the bailouts thing---watch the whole thing go down like a dead whale.

The 1rst world, formerly known as the industrialized nations have been replaced with the new industrial BRIC nations with growth a-go-go--that is until we can't pay for the goods anymore, or they pay their workers as much as we make to buy the products---then were are the masters of the universe going to go?

Yesterday Fareed Zakaria talked about shale gas being the big game-changer for the golden age of gas.

JHK, I do hope you review and refute this.(GPS)

[And in a short time, its success has led to the drilling of 20,000 wells in America, the creation of hundreds of thousands of jobs, and a guaranteed supply of gas for perhaps 100 years. The International Energy Agency says global gas production will rise 50% by the year 2035; two-thirds of that growth will come from unconventional sources like shale — a market the U.S. completely dominates.]...
[Let's figure out how to make fracking cleaner and safer. We can regulate the process with good, simple rules. The benefits are immense and the problems manageable.]

Oh yes, indeedy. In the age of No Regulation we're going to regulate safety…Hey Fareed I've got some land….

The purpose of banking is to gain control of the supply of money and then charge rent for everyone else to use it.

The crackhead Keynesians are in control. With Rand Paul's endorsement of Romney the neocon dynasty continues: http://youtu.be/mwZ882XxjhU

"Yesterday Fareed Zakaria talked about shale gas being the big game-changer for the golden age of gas." -BT

Apparently, Fareed discounts (or perhaps, sneers at) Russian analysis of these gassy emissions. Since these resources are something they're pretty well "into" and knowledgeable about, maybe somebody should take some stock in their opinion, rather than that of the esteemed shill, Zakaria.

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2012/05/shale-gas-view-from-russia.html#more

Hey Jim, it's a little off topic but thought you and others might find this interesting. It relates partially to your own movement back to rural America. Keep spreading the "light" cable!
http://www.startribune.com/local/158326255.html

JHK has stated numerous times that he believes that "fracking" and shale gas is a Ponzi scheme.

Take away the financialization of the oil and gas industry in the U.S. and suddenly it isn't nearly as "profitable" as it used to be. It takes alot more resources than dollars to produce shale gas.

James: Good commentary on the stage we are currently entering.

This is the beginning of the period where people in the US as a group begin to panic, as they see their standard of living collapse process speed up.

My teenage daughter just returned from Europe and the first shocking thing out of her mouth was, "Dad, you were right about the dollar, its almost garbage. I exchanged by dollars for pounds and got back about half; then when I bought things in pounds and euros my money got chewed up twice as fast as I thought. I had to watch every penny I had." Oh no!!!! Watching every penny. Something new for the millennials !!!

Aside from a good object lesson in "pinching" her pennies, she saw first hand the decline of the dollar, as did all of her school mates, and they were all shocked.

This is the first stage of the US Dollar's co-morbid demise with the rest of our economy and former culture. Next will be the starving masses seeking food after the grocery stores and gasoline tanks are empty due to a full on dollar collapse late this summer or fall. That's when it gets really interesting in terms of survival.
At that point none of us will be on the internet discussing anything; we will be trying to survive. Bet on it.

Lock and load, quickly.
Wardoc

Jim,

You really do have to credit the PTB for sliding us along for a good four - five years. I believe elongating this fiscal calamity (beginning 2007) has actually saved us from total and certain breakdown. Sure, in the end aggregate pain suffered will have been the same. Think of a cat playing with a mouse. Death is sure to come, but you can't tell the mouse that. As long as he's breathing, he's got a chance. Maybe, just maybe...

And while all of this is going on, there just happens to be a rather large amount of radioactive shit floating to our shores from Japan. A coincidence? Perhaps not.

The problem is that millions watch Zakaria. He is carrying a PR message to people and that will effect what happens when the Republicans insist that Obama doesn't want to create jobs because the Keystone pipeline analysis is going on.

When a voice such as Kunstler's is not being heard because no TV station will carry his message, we are in for a big blow-out surprise aren't we?

I'm not asking JHK to discuss it here, I'm just calling attention to the fact that this falsehood is going on and it's the information people are being given.

It's drowning out those like Heinberg and others that we can't us the growth paradigm anymore.

Oh, the smoke and mirrors!

I enjoyed your book - The Witch of Hebron.

More coming?

JHK I enjoy your writing, I'm a long time reader, 1st time commenting. Shale gas, finite resources and modern economics are explained very very well at this book review: http://advisorperspectives.com/newsletters12/pdfs/Energy_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations.pdf

Jim, you are positively obsessed witht the idea of protesting political conventions this summer. I suppose it's because you'd like to see 2012 become 1968 redux, in terms of it all coming apart?

Sorry to say, but presidential nominating conventions are boring coronations to most Americans, with their primetime coverage a fraction of what it was 40 years ago. Also, 2008 was a scarier year for financial meltdown, and there was no great protesting at, of all places, a nominating convention. I know firsthand that St. Paul, Minnesota (site of the GOP convention) was on absolute lockdown.

People should protest, but at a presidential coronation and PR session of all places? Update your paradigm, man!

Seems to me the problem is very simple. Axiom: all systems have a finite capacity beyond which they become unsustainable. Our current economic "system" has surpassed the capacity for carrying all the fraudulent financial "instruments" which have been assigned "value" without their being the result of real wealth generating activities. Thus we are about to learn why fraud - taken to its extremes - is so corrosive. It crowds out legitimate wealth generating activity. Now all this should be obvious to a person with a brain. So what's the problem? Another axiom: those who benefit from a financial system will thwart any change no matter how corrupt or unsustainable that system is. The net-net of these observations? We have the irresistable force meetingthe immovable object. Result? Indeterminate in the near and medium term. Ultimate result? Major paradigm shift. We shall see.

Yes George Wasinton was 6 foot 3 or 4 can could decapitate an Indian or Redcoat with one slash of his sword. People used to be proud of things like that. Americans used to all be like Vlad Krandz before they got "civilized" and sick, ashamed of being Great, White, or even Alive.

Quite true: you don't see many Chinese bums. One morning in Boston I saw a Chinese Man walk by a very rare Chinese Bum. The Chinese Man became enraged that a fellow Chinese would let himself fall into such a state in a Land of Opportunity like America. In old China, there were many - but it usually wasn't their fault then and there.

What excuse do Whites and Blacks have? That we lack the pride of the Chinese would sadden our ancestors who had the very same virtues at the very least. Christian or Confucian - both believe in hard work, prudence, savings, and fillial piety.

CCM, when will people like you learn that the USA is not a stand-alone entity. What happens in Europe affects your country too, ignoring their troubles isn't a strategy that will work.

Some of us outsiders think the world was a better place when the US took a hands-off approach to events outside its borders. Now that Americans think they are the natural rulers of the entire world things haven't been going so well. Was it not the American shenanigans led by Wall Street that caused the collapse of 2008? At least the Europeans are trying to patch it back together now, what has the USA done to prevent it happening again?

Like it or not it's one world, baby, and we'd better start working together. Fast.

The, "who are they" is us--the majority of mankind. It certainly isn't the 1%ers, the 1%'ers are scared shitless right about now. Not because they are afraid of pitchforks and torches but because of fear of the unknown. What comes next is anyones guess once we start sorting out what money is again.

I imagine many of the 1%'ers are scratching their heads as to why the rest of us are still trading worthless pieces of paper for real things -- like hard earned labor.

I am certain that after it is widely accepted that our debt money has become worthless there will still be many trying to trade paper for real things even though they will be risking their lives in the process depending upon whether those on the other end of the trade are still in denial or are aware. There will not be an official announcement that our currency has failed. As more and more people get burned by holding worthless paper they will be forced to trade in other ways. There isn't another economic model waiting in the wings to replace this one. New money will not suddenly appear overnight to replace the old failed currency. It will take years until finally no one for generations will even think about accepting debt money again.

Have to agree with you though you're a louse. Since the system is a Giant Lie and has been since 1913, why should we be bound by the laws and treaties passed since then? Specifically, why should we should let ourselves be bound and shackled and sold into slavery - unto the 7the generation?

Let's write the Bankers a gigantic Check - and then let them find someone to cash it. In other words, pay them back in the same tin coin they have palmed off on us. But pay them back with our labor, our land, our homes, our sweat, our blood, our children's lives - are you fucking kidding me?

I do not agree with Jim Kunstler's statement:


"All the once-great western economic powers have decided to become crack-heads, winos, and beggars with amusing monkeys. They are all dying of their addictions. They are all dark stories with unhappy endings. They all ended that way because the addicts refused to make different decisions that would have drawn them through a frightful passage out of their addiction into a new place with a different psychology."


Actually, ironically, the 2 great losers of the last World War, Japan and Germany, ARE adapting to the new realities. Japan has few energy resources already but has been forced to cut back night lighting and other energy wasting activities with the nukes shutdown. Also for years Japan has invested in Green Transit with the first high speed rail, well connected to local public transit in all cities.


Germany is also well-started on its Green Transition since the Greens coaxed them into it decades ago. Contrariwise to the Corporate punditrocracy that predicted both economic collapse and a huge spike in Greenhouse emissions when Germany accelerated its nuke shutdown, it cut energy usage 5% last year, greenhouse emissions 2% and enjoyed a 5% economic growth rate. Primarily by keeping more Green renewable energy for themselves instead of exporting it and accelerating their existing Green insulation project. I have not seen figures for German auto mileage which is probably part of their improvement since they already have invested in alternatives to auto addiction but a German poster in theoildrum.com posted that their auto usage has contracted.


Not that Germany can continue to grow forever but they certainly have a much more sustainable model.

I disagree with those who say debt money is inherently evil.

I think the Modern Monetarists have some intelligent things to say about money.

(their policy agenda, on the other hand, I think makes no sense)

But as to monetary policy: The MMs assert that in our current system, money is created when the government spends money it does not collect back in taxes. In other words, federal deficits create the money supply. It appears to me that the logical extension of that view is that the money supply is one and the same with the national debt.

Now you have got the hard money advocates, the Ron Paul types, who say fiat money systems never survive because government prints currency in order to finance consumption today at the expense of future generations. And that clearly appears to be something happening today.

But the counterargument to the argument that fiat money systems have throughout history always eventually failed, is that throughout history, hard money systems have always eventually failed as well. That is because it is just too attractive to political leaders to loot the future to provide goodies for the present generation.

So it seems to me that both hard money and fiat money are systems that eventually crash. Hence, it would seem to me that one can say that of the two primary alternatives mankind has come up with as monetary systems, both inevitably lead to periodic collapses of the economy.

And I can imagine that when one fails it leads to a popular groundswell to adopt the other. So it seems very plausible to me that when the current fiat money system collapses that the world will attempt to reinstate a gold standard. And that will work for a while, until the desire for people to get something for nothing leads the system to collapse, in which case the people of the world will decide hard money was a failed concept, so they will revert back to a fiat money system.

The bottom line is that major economic collapse on a periodic basis is probably something that is inevitable until the end of human history.

Orbit7er:

I see little evidence that Germany has been successful with alternative energy. They spent massive amounts on solar and yet it provides a fraction of 1% of their energy.

Japan is now understandably wary of nuclear and is stepping up its fossil fuel use. It hopes to have renewables be a linchpin of its energy economy.

I sincerely hope it succeeds. If anyone can figure out how to make renewables a true energy source and not just a novelty item for scientifically-illiterate progressives, the Japanese would be near the top of the list of who I'd believe might be able to pull it off.

But please let's stop pretending that renewables are a genuine energy source of any significance so far.

I see little evidence that Germany has been successful with alternative energy. They spent massive amounts on solar and yet it provides a fraction of 1% of their energy.

I think you are a bit behind on Germany's progress.

During one 24-hour period, Germany’s PV accounted for nearly a third of the nation’s energy needs on midday Friday when the nation’s factories and offices were humming along, and then it approached 50 percent midday Saturday as residents enjoyed a sun-filled weekend.

The milestone comes at a critical crossroads for a country that is eager to move on from its dependence on nuclear power, but has been increasingly at odds over which path to take. If nothing else, the achievement is certain to add to the growing confidence that solar can fill much of the nuclear void. Germany currently gets about 20 percent of its energy from renewable sources, with solar contributing about 4 percent annually.

Germany's Day in the Sun: Solar Hits 22 GW Mark

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2012/05/germanys-day-in-the-sun-solar-hits-22-gw-mark

Previous post was a reply to lsjogren who said:

But please let's stop pretending that renewables are a genuine energy source of any significance so far.

50% in Germany is not insignificant. 4% is not insignificant. No single source will replace oil. But a myriad of renewable, zero-emission, sustainable sources will... eventually.

Yes, it's very strange: always living in the future to escape the past. Mortgaging the future to pay for past debt. And the living present is crushed between the abstractions of past and future. Alway having to run faster and faster to avoid falling behind like Charlie Chaplin or Ozone on the assembley line.

I do not think that debt money is inherently evil either but when it becomes a means to an end towards facilitating infinite government growth there are all sorts of evil unintended consequences. Look what happens when the government bails out commercial real estate in order to prolong confidence in debt money well beyond it's stamped on shelf life. Commercial real estate speculators who should have gone bankrupt are allowed to not only allowed to stay in business despite foolish business decisions they are allowed to maintain their regional hegemonies by bankrupting any and all competition through government backstopped losses even in their non RE subsidiary businesses.

They can make ridiculously low bids for work and loss leader high bids for assets because it is all backstopped by the governments need to maintain the status quo. You end up with a system where it doesn't matter how hard you work or how productive you are. Your success becomes dependant on how well protected you are by governments ability to create success out of thin air.

Hey you money folks
Look at your dollar bills. They don't say US Government currency. They say Federal Reserve Notes. They ain't issued by the government. They are issued by a consortium of banks called the Fed. Its as Federal as Federal Express. Through the wonders of compound interest, for the past 100 years, the owners of those banks have been transferring your wealth to their accounts. It isn't the government.
Matter of fact, the government is merely a theater spectacle performed to keep us entertained and looking elswhere while the banksters do their stuff. Occupy had it right. Go to Wall St. and Greenwich, and the Hamptons. Thats where the power lies.
We can't force change in the political process because, like Emma Goldman said: If voting would change anything they wouldn't let us do it.
The only way to change this is to let it crumble. Only buy what you need, and buy it locally. Celebrate buy nothing day twice a week. Get out of debt.
The government will change nothing as long as it is this toothless behemoth. Instead, look for local options to create local wealth while the whole facade crumbles.

This is the first stage of the US Dollar's co-morbid demise with the rest of our economy and former culture. Next will be the starving masses seeking food after the grocery stores and gasoline tanks are empty due to a full on dollar collapse late this summer or fall. That's when it gets really interesting in terms of survival.
At that point none of us will be on the internet discussing anything; we will be trying to survive. Bet on it.

This is such overstated hogwash.

'Late this summer or fall'...where do you get that privy info from?

'Full on dollar collapse'...so the dollar's going to suddenly die within a few weeks...and there's no massive rumblings to alert us?

The internet won't function? At least here you've said something within the realm of possibility, I grant you that.


People are hurting, and people are doing fine, depends on who you are. People have learned to get by on much less - I haven't owned a car in years.

US Dollar used to be 4 Deutsche Marks to one, then fell to DM1.8....way back in the early 1980s. So does that qualify as an apocalyptic event too?

Note to clusterfucker doomers: jeezis ain't coming back, the Mayans were wrong about the end of the world, we aren't going to see violent kunstleresque riots (aging hippy longings), and the much-vaunted food shelves aren't going to be bare.

world's been thru much worse, and here we still are. getting fatter, richer, more productive, churning out wonderful technology.


and somehow a few billion to Spain is proof that the system is about to blow? haha, a few billion euros...wonder how long it takes to type that into the Spanish banks' accounts from the main keyboard at the IMF et al?


John Mauldin is the worst 'money manager' writing on the internet, but his 'muddle-thru economy' is fairly accurate of how we're navigating this latter-years crisis...

peace peaceniks

Instead, look for local options to create local wealth while the whole facade crumbles.

Excellent advice, thank you for some reasonable fresh air on this site.

Let the fukkers do their shyte to themselves, everyone needs to unplug from them as much as possible.

Interest rate on savings account in Brazil: 6% per annum, interest paid out weekly.

Contact me if you're interested in info, or just google it.


peace peaceniks

Hey Jim,
Lighten up a little bit. After all it's only a hundred billion here, a few trillion over there.
It's only numbers, what's the harm?

It depends on your perspective, here's mine;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebePx6x6xqU&feature=endscreen&NR=1

The larger question to ask is who or what will exist to appreciate all the amazing things humanity accomplished during it's oh so short run.
I suspect they will become the myths of the future.

Here's a view (along with the corresponding appropriate soundtrack) from one of those accomplishments that many would have loved to see first hand;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_9Bt6MG-3Y&feature=related

Enjoy all!

Forget Ms. Goldman, she was the problem, not the solution.
Meanwhile one of the little people did this scam:

Oregon woman is on the hook for what Internal Revenue Service investigators are calling one of the largest cases of tax fraud in the state's history. ................................

Krystle Marie Reyes, of Salem, Ore. allegedly weaseled more than $2 million from the state by filing a false return using automated TurboTax software, according to a police report obtained by Oregon Live. ............................

Reyes, 25, reported $3 million in wages and claimed $2.1 million in refunds, which worked its way through TurboTax's system and was approved by the state. Soon enough, a Visa debit card loaded with the refund was in her hands.

What's bizarre about the situation is how Reyes was caught. She reported another debit card as lost or stolen to the issuer, which apparently saw enough red flags to get the state's revenue service on the case. The police affidavit doesn't offer say how much cash was loaded on the second card or whether it was obtained by a fraudulent tax return as well. ..............................

When Reyes was taken into custody June 6, she had allegedly spent about $150,000 over a two-month period, including $2,000 on a Dodge Caravan and more than $800 in tires and wheels, according to police. It's not clear from the report where the rest of the cash went, though it says she spent tens of thousands of dollars per week. ............

Her case underscores the debate over whether the IRS should issue refunds via debit cards. On one hand, they're a boon to unbanked Americans who can't rely on direct deposits for speedy returns.

But that also means fraudsters can get their hands on cash faster than authorities can
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[note the word 'weaseled', animal rights folks have told me not to insult animals with such perjorative terms].

...like Emma Goldman said: If voting would change anything they wouldn't let us do it.

I love Emma Goldman. She was right, and the Republicans are trying to prevent us from voting.

VOTER SUPPRESSION 101

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2012/04/voter_suppression.html

I plan to vote, whether or not it results in change, because if we don't exercise our voting rights it will be that much easier for the Republicans to take away our rights altogether.

I forgot my mantra

Here is Asoka's rosy view of the Spanish bank bailout as expressed yesterday afternoon.

For all of you CFNers worried about the Euro and Greece and collapse, you can relax.

Greece, Ireland, Portugal and now Spain, have all been rescued. The EU and IMF have now committed around 500 billion euros to finance European bailouts.

By shoring up Spain before the June 17 elections in Greece Euro zone policymakers prevent Greece's euro zone exit and prevent a wave of contagion.

Analysts said financial markets will welcome the announcement when they reopen on Monday.

So, once again, contrary to what CFNers are saying, apocalypse is avoided, the heavens have not fallen in, calm has prevailed, and rational minds are in control of the situation.

Our markets advanced for about 10 mins following the 9:30AM open but were in the red in less than an hour. The DOW ended the day down 143 pts.

Even Spain's IBEX 35 index lost a half percent.

Apparently markets don't agree with Asoka's rosy view.

OMG! A half percent!

Quick chant this mantra 108 times:

Om Shreem Mahalakshmiyei Namaha

(for Abundance)

Bailouts by extending bad debt with more debt just throws more fuel on the fire, it isn't fixing anything. Governments think if they extend and pretend they can hang onto the status quo and their power longer. The problem with extend and pretend is that the inevitable crash will be much worse.

The problem with extend and pretend is that the inevitable crash will be much worse.

If we were talking about real money, I would agree with you. But we are talking about electrons, of which there are an endless supply.

Extend and pretend can go much longer than you assume. We've been on fiat money for seven decades now, although many would have said that impossible.

Electronic money enables endless quantitative easing and will be able to extend for centuries, not decades.

The DOW was actually down about 1.15% today.

0.0115194062 to be specific.

If you follow the markets, you know that is not alarming. Tomorrow the markets could go up by an equal amount.

My point still stands: there was no panic in the markets today. No crash. No Black Monday. No reason for believing the sky is going to fall tomorrow either.

"...like Emma Goldman said: If voting would change anything they wouldn't let us do it.

I love Emma Goldman. She was right, and the Republicans are trying to prevent us from voting."

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The things voting changes, like who gets the lion's share of elite payola, and who gets the jackal's share; matter little to those who are not close to or dependent on the system. Sure, the Demoncats and Repugnicans will do whatever they can to get lion's share, but their rules of engagement are set by an elite mafia that seldom cares which minion wins. Either way the same major policies continue, and either way the common man loses more each time.


Sounds good. How do I get in on it?

Svaha is the correct ending for someone Q's age - that is to say, after their Saturn return.

What's your sign? Air right? Aquarius?

The reason the DOW went down is because investors wanted A BIGGER BAILOUT, not because there was a bailout. I revise the DOW to -1.14% today.

(AGI) New York - Wall Street closed on a downward trend, due to concerns of investors that the 100 billion Euro rescue package guaranteed for the recapitalization of Spanish banks, may not be enough to stop the crisis of Euro and may slow down even further global economy. Dow Jones lost 1.14% and closed at 12411.23; Nasdaq lost 1.70% to 2809.73 points

matter little to those who are not close to or dependent on the system.

Gee, Belisarius, you are making my point for me.

A record 49 percent of Americans living in a household where someone receives at least one type of government benefit, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, that adds up to 63 percent of all federal spending this year will consist of checks written to individuals for which the government receives currently no services.

Add to that all the employees who work in the civilian public sector, including federal employees and employees in all 50 state governments and all local governments (i.e., counties, municipalities, townships, special districts, and school districts). Then...

Add to that the Military Industrial Complex having "defense contracts" with private industry in every single state in the country, and I would say a vast majority of Americans are dependent one way or another on the public treasury. Q. sucked the government teat for 27 years as an accountant, for example. And like him there are millions who depended on the public dole through corporate welfare payments in the form of government defense contracts.

More people than you think are dependent on "the system"

Vladdy, to keep your money 'in the US' you can simply buy 3-month CDs at 4% from Everbank.

These CDs are actually denominated in Brazilian reals, so you can earn money if the foreign currency appreciates against the greenback. And you can lose money if the greenback appreciates against the foreign currency.

The 6% offered down here on savings accounts, you'd open an account with a Brazilian bank, e.g. Itau, Banco do Brasil etc.

Can be done, even if an American.

Gov't bonds down here offer around 9-10% annually, plus the possibility of currency appreciation/depreciation. Check with your financial company if they offer them - they should, seeing as the interest rate and country are both highly ranked.


peace peaceniks

"If we were talking about real money, I would agree with you. But we are talking about electrons, of which there are an endless supply."

Whether they are electrons, seashells, rag paper or whatever, they are still claimchecks against future resources. The sovereign debt defaults of Greece, Italy, Spain, etc. are merely symptoms of a larger problem. The larger problem is that there has been exponential growth in claimchecks against future resources when the problem all along has been too many claimchecks(debt money) against future resources.

The debts of Italy, Greece and Spain are a drop in the bucket in contrast to over all global sovereign debt but it is just, "their turn" because their economies are smaller and they are some of the first casualties in in on going global currency war that is soon to turn hot as the rest of the dominoes fall.

"All the once-great western economic powers have decided to become crack-heads, winos, and beggars with amusing monkeys."

Priceless. After Clinton signed that dreadful and bipartisan repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, an elder banker came into the computing room where a buddy of mine kept the servers running. He said something along these lines:

"The Government just set us up for the next Great Depression. Commercial banks like ours are supposed to be stingy and boring. Now we are going to go into investment, start gambling with our investors' money, and I'm going to retire. Mark my words: I give it ten years before it all collapses."

He was off by 1 year.

More people than you think are dependent on "the system"

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Perhaps. Not all who receive government checks now, are expecting them forever. Many, "entitled" to future government checks, doubt they will ever receive them.

Peak oil, peak resources, peak debt and peak population indicate unsustainability in a system that must continue to expand.

Most who come here are busily disengaging from "the system" and setting up a plan B or C. For many of us, it is a distraction to pay attention to which set of political thieves are in charge of overseeing the syphoning our economic blood. However, avoidance of this extraction is a hobby for some and a necessity for others.

Those who expect the current system to last "for centuries" are entitled to a different opinion. Good luck with that!

The debts of Italy, Greece and Spain are a drop in the bucket in contrast to over all global sovereign debt ...

If you owe the bank $50,000 and can't pay, you have a problem.

If you owe the bank $50 million and can't pay, the bank has a problem.

The fact that the debt if GLOBAL, is a blessing. The dance of debt electrons on financial computer screens around the world continues. It is a surreal dance, without claim against future resources because when debt is fraudulent, debt forgiveness is the logical and only remedy, easily accommodated by the electronic debt dance.

Those who expect the current system to last "for centuries" are entitled to a different opinion. Good luck with that!

Luck is what this country has had for the last few centuries, in spite of past economic times and past political corruption much worse than we currently have.

Most people completely lack a sense of history and only see what is happening today. Having nothing to compare it to, they utter things like: "we are so fucked!" If only they knew how good they have it.

As I understand it, the central banks drop gobs of money into the banking system which the banks then use to purchase domestic and also foreign government bonds. So the governments fund their own long term debt by conjuring money from thin air. Ain't that a neat trick? Money fer nothin!

Hey, B. You know the SS checks are never going to stop coming. It will just be that old bugaboo inflation that affects the value of said payments. The US government can't really "run out" of money for paying entitlements unless there is an enforced debt ceiling. They can just conjure more up when they need it. That's how the Federal Reserve works, really. There's a lot of hocus pocus involved, but that's pretty much the gist of it. The resultant negative effect of this policy is, of course, long term inflation. So as more dollars enter the system, the value of each one decreases.

But you know this already I'm assuming. :)

...in spite of past economic times and past political corruption much worse than we currently have

Well put, brings the proper perspective to the current situation. Past political life/economic crises were far and away worse than most everyone surmises.

Lincoln was publicly called a 'great ape' in spoken and written word. Who would get away with that nowadays?

People were literally 'dirt' poor & barely had beans and bread to eat back 'then'.

asoka's correct when he says we have no idea how good we have it.

touche brother.

good to see some rational thought out here.

(not that i don't enjoy doomerville, i truly do, but i've gotten to the place where i realize the lights come on after it's all been said, the credits roll and it's time to walk out into the sunshine again after the fantasy's over).

we'll get thru all the dire straits just fine.

peace peaceniks

"we'll get thru all the dire straits just fine."

There you go with your crystal ballin again!

"getting fatter, richer, more productive, churning out wonderful technology"

Forever and ever, amen.

Right?

The doomers are right. All civilizations collapse after awhile. They're just generally off on the time scale. I guess it has something to do with wanting to compress the course of history into your own time frame. So statements like, "Collapse coming this summer." are basically a manifestation of this desire. Now, post-collapse doesn't mean that no other entities will arise to replace that which hath fallen. Something else will come along. But that may take awhile, and the new society could be quite different from the old one. So, methinks, TS really hits TF when the current fossil fuel paradigm goes kapoot, because of Peak Everything. You can already see it happening with rising food and fuel prices, not to mention competition over basic resources like, you know, water. This idea that the wonderful technology train will carry all of us off into the rosy future is pretty narrow-minded. Already, most of the world is poor and not on this train. Well, they do have cell phones. Whoopty doo. Why does that matter when you can't afford to eat? You know what a lot of the Middle East revolutions were really about? The cost of food. Think on that for a minute and then go ahead and tell me that things don't change drastically when the Green Revolution reverses after the oil and natural gas run out. Cuz I ain't buying it.

just the facts, ma'am.


peace peaceniks

You ever heard the saying, "The bigger they are, the harder they fall." Since current world population is greater than it has ever been and is set to increase even more, the crises will only continue to worsen, until there is a big die off or at least some kind of throttling of population growth. It is the difference between having 10 mouths to feed and 100 during a time of scarcity. Like, for instance, the Black Death killed 1/3 of Europe, but there were far fewer people back then. If there were a similar event nowadays, orders of magnitude more people would be affected. You see what I mean? Perhaps the severity of past crises was worse due to lack of knowledge and technology, but the sheer scale is far greater now.

welles, you always make the basic mistake of extrapolating your own circumstances, which seem positive, to the rest of the world. Also, you live in Brazil, which is currently (more or less) in an economic boom. It doesn't seem a very solid argument to take these specific circumstances in which you are immersed and extend them both spatially and temporally to the rest of the world and the next X years of history. If you listen to the environmentalists, biologists, ecologists, and other experts on these matters, they almost unanimously predict the opposite, though, as I've stated before, everyone seems off on the particular time scale. I'd point you at Catton's Overshoot book, which is a good starting point for an ecological understanding of the current human predicament. And he has far more hard evidence to back up his predictions than just vague feelings of personal optimism based on present circumstances.

Anyways, just my 2 cents.

Oh, yeah, everything is just peachy these days...

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-mo-economy-wealth-20120611,0,5418853.story

The infinite growth shall continue forever and evar, says I!

"The fact that the debt if GLOBAL, is a blessing. The dance of debt electrons on financial computer screens around the world continues. It is a surreal dance, without claim against future resources because when debt is fraudulent, debt forgiveness is the logical and only remedy, easily accommodated by the electronic debt dance."

You make it sound so easy but it isn't. We are talking about real things here that people are willing to die for--not just "electrons dancing in the air".

There is not going to be a fucking debt forgiveness there is going to be a default then the next morning you wake up nobody is going to trust anything. Everything is going to stop until the new system takes over. "That" is not going to happen overnight. It will take awhile for alot of people to figure out where their next meal is coming from. Do you really understand what has happened hitorically with sovereign debt crises? magnify "historically" by about a thousand and you might be close.

Convenient that you throw, "debt forgiveness" out there so easily being the central government statist. I remember about 7 years ago, "Jerry" touting debt forgiveness as a solution and then eventually left CFN altogether after being roundly trolled by J.R. lol

It is already happening. They call it a "haircut" in finance, when some total debt is only paid back at a certain fraction. Greek bond holders already got theirs. I guess it isn't a total debt forgiveness though. Like you said, that's somewhat unlikely. I'm not sure about defaults occurring en masse either. Any country with a central bank can just conjure up more money to pay out their debts, but they risk possibly massive inflation in doing so. I think that's what happened in post-WWI Germany when they just printed a bunch of money to pay off their war reparations. The consequence for the domestic economy was hyper-inflation. But I don't think they defaulted. (Need to look into it actually.)

There have been defaults rather recently, like in Argentina. But, actually, it seems like long term it was good for them to do this, as they drastically reduced their external debt.

Or am I simplifying things too much? This is a really interesting topic to me but it can be difficult to wrap the old mind around all the little details and the interrelated causes and effects.

To my mind, the real issue in finance that will need to be dealt with going forward is the massive derivatives bubble.

http://tarpley.net/2010/04/25/fight-the-derivatives-cancer-with-a-wall-street-sales-tax-plus-bans-on-hedge-funds-credit-default-swaps-and-synthetic-cdos/

Article is kind of overblown. (Tarpley is kind of a nut.) But you can get the idea that the obligations being imposed by these financial instruments is orders of magnitude greater than the total debt of all countries put together. And the real problem is that paying off counter-parties in complicated derivatives schemes is a black hole scenario, into which one could dump practically an infinite supply of money. Yet ALL the major financial institutions have bet the farm on these schemes, and, ultimately, it is usually the governments who end up saving their bacon with these ginormous bailouts. That's really what the financial bailout was in the US, a massive scheme to funnel payouts to derivatives counter-parties, without which the entire financial system would probably have collapsed.

This is what happens when bankers run amok. They want to turn everything into money, and damn the rest of us peons.

There hasn't been much in the way of "haircuts" as what usually happens is risk is offloaded onto those who can least afford it. Haircuts are too much like what "should" happen but like so much of everything else that should be we have to live in the world of ,"how it is". The world of how it is, for starters is that governments really don't want haircuts to hapen because that introduces risk of loss of confidence in the currency that they desperately need to feed off of. The only thing that makes debt, "money" is confidence that the future will always, "pay off". Once there is a lack of confidence that the future will indefinitely, "payoff" then debt returns to being just debt and loses it's claim as being "money".

Great observation Asoka. Indeed, I would venture to guess the vast majority of Tea Party members receive some form of Govt check. (And I haven't heard anything about Ron or Rand Paul refusing their Govt provided health care.)

Asoka is alot like the Tea Partiers in that she likes to dogmatically live in the world of how it, "should be".

Unfortunately, the rest of us have to live in the real world of, "how it is".

Most people completely lack a sense of history and only see what is happening today. Having nothing to compare it to, they utter things like: "we are so fucked!" If only they knew how good they have it.

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Actually true, but very misleading.

Yes most people have no interest in history, because they are too busy keeping their heads above water. Most of those who decide to take an interest lose that interest (as intended) before they realise that what they are being taught is more propaganda than history.

The following quoted from William T Still:

"In 1954, a special Congressional Committee investigated the interlocking web of tax-exempt foundations to see what impact their grants were having on the American psyche. The Committee stumbled onto the fact that some of these groups had embarked upon a gigantic project to rewrite American history and incorporate it into new school text books.

Norman Dodd, the committee's research director found, in the archives of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace the following remarkable statement of purpose:

The only way to maintain control of the population was to obtain control of education in the U.S. They realized this was a prodigious task so they approached the Rockefeller Foundation with the suggestion that they go in tandem and that portion of education which could be considered as domestically oriented be taken over by the Rockefeller Foundation and that portion which was oriented to International matters be taken over by the Carnegie Endowment.

The Rockefeller Foundation agreed to take on the domestic portion of the task. The purpose of all this interest in history, was of course to rewrite it. Dodd explained:

They decided that the success of this program lay in the manner in which American history was to be presented. They then approached four of the then most-prominent historians - such as Mary and Charles Beard - with the suggestion that they alter the manner in which they were accustomed to presenting the subject. They [were] turned down flat, so...they decided they [had] to build a coterie of historians of their own selection.

The Guggenheim Foundation agreed to award fellowships to historians recommended by the Carnegie Endowment. Gradually, through the 1920's, they assembled a group of twenty promising young academics, and took them to London. There they briefed them on what was expected of them when they became professors of American history. That twenty were the nucleus of what was eventually to become the American Historical Association."

Thus the elite has had almost complete control of history taught in USA since the thirties. The quote is partial and part of a much larger rant on "Dumbing Down" and elite control at:

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/01.12/pigwings.html


As for my own interest in history, it might be obvious to you why I chose Belisarius as a handle here. If not, perhaps you should read your Procopius, particularly "De Bello Gothico"

This idea that the wonderful technology train will carry all of us off into the rosy future is pretty narrow-minded.

No, it is called, or used to be called, "forward thinking" of the kind Germany has engaged in for a while now. Slowly, slowly, Germany is replacing fossil fuels and nuclear fuels with renewables. So are other places like Denmark and Brazil. It is not a techno-miracle fantasy. It is wise use of existing technology, coupled with an embrace of contractionary devolution.

Sorry, my previous comment was a reply to Turkle's post at June 11, 2012 8:27 PM

Neither Zorro or James Bond can solve this financial mystery.

Renewables cannot replace the current array of energy sources that drives modern civilization. All of them are intermittent and variable, particularly sunlight and the wind. So even if the whole country was covered in solar panels and wind turbines, these cannot be used effectively to carry base load. Fossil fuels are the opposite. More can be burned as demand requires but you cannot force the sun to shine or the wind to blow. That said, I am all for a thorough investigation and application of renewable energy sources, but in the long term, as JHK has stated many times, we are likely to be disappointed with what they ultimately can provide compared with current sources.

Even if renewables are a perfect solution, humanity will bump up against other physical limits, such as lack of fresh water, clean air, and arable land. The gravy train will not roll on forever.

And the other thing about renewables is lack of portability. Uranium, petroleum, and natural gas can be shipped around the world. You cannot do the same with any renewable energy sources of which I'm aware, aside from perhaps biofuels Thus as a replacement they are generally inadequate.

"And the other thing about renewables is lack of portability. Uranium, petroleum, and natural gas can be shipped around the world. You cannot do the same with any renewable energy sources of which I'm aware, aside from perhaps biofuels Thus as a replacement they are generally inadequate."

This comment directed toward me must be a mistake because anyone who knows me would know a statement like this is,"preaching to the choir".

Yeah, I'm pretty well drunk right about now sooo...

Hey, B. You know the SS checks are never going to stop coming. It will just be that old bugaboo inflation that affects the value of said payments.

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Current case is as above: Each year the checks buy less, despite a so-called cost of living adjustment. "Everyone knows" the checks will keep coming 'till they aren't worth a cup of coffee. Could happen that way, yup!

Things have been quite tame for a long time. USA has sucessfully skated on thin ice for decades. That outstanding luck could hold, but do you want to bet your life?


OTOH
In another scenario the Fed refuses to "lend" more to the government until "austerity" is invoked, and the government caves rather than issue "US Notes" without debt. Doubt that would happen without a revolt underway and/or martial law declared. It would indicate a split in the elite.

Things could cascade. Maybe a New Madrid great earthquake happens first. Crashes the grid. Sends several nukes critical. Cuts most of the Mississippi bridges. Most ground transport(including pipelines) is crippled. Food and energy shortages get serious. Rationing is imposed. Government screwups lead to revolts. Martial law is declared. If there are any real terrorists, maybe they take advantage?

How many people still get paper checks? What happens in a bank holiday? What happens if the grid goes down? For weeks? Or perhaps a virus destroys the government computer system? What happens if the the world stops accepting dollars? But, of course, none of these things must happen. They (and others) could happen though, many years from today, or next month.

There is a Jewish Community Center right across the street from where I live and it is freakin amazing. I'm not personally using it but my 11 y/o son is and he loves it. We are not allowed to have a basketball goal here because the HOA is afraid it will bring in the niggers but the J has an awesome basketball gym with like 12 basketball goals and the hardwoods was just recently refinished. There is both an indoor pool and an outdoor water park. Racquetball courts, tennis courts, soccer fields, baseball diamonds, etc, etc. You can drop your kids off there at 5:30Am and they have people that usher them from one activity to another until 4PM. I don't think it hurts that my kids have to learn Israeli history for a couple hours a day and eat a few Kosher meals.

We are not allowed to have a basketball goal here because the HOA is afraid it will bring in the niggers

I have heard some of them "niggers" are actually fairly competent at basketball. White kids could learn something from them.

Yeah, that's the HOA's words not mine--I'm the retard that spent $500 on 2 different basketball goals only to have them dismantled by the HOA. The HOA here is dominated by elderly people even though there are more children here than elderly.

Every day after school there were 30-40 kids playing basketball there. It actually broke the hearts of many of the children here when the goals were taken away.

Renewables cannot replace the current array of energy sources that drives modern civilization.

No, they cannot and that was never my idea.

The current consumption levels are unsustainable.

We must voluntarily reduce consumption and we must reduce global population.

(true global population reduction, not re-shuffling or preventing immigration of minorities national anti-immigrant groups, which does nothing to reduce global population)

If we don't do these things voluntarily, then overshoot of carrying capacity will do it for us.

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(true global population reduction, not re-shuffling or preventing immigration of minorities VIA national anti-immigrant groups. THAT does nothing to reduce global population)

"We must voluntarily reduce consumption and we must reduce global population."

This is borderline apocalyptic--not the strict greek translation but the end of the world extension of the word apocalypse. When does the word voluntary get replaced with mandatory?

By my reckoning the worlds population needs to reduce by a full third or nearly 3 billion people need to die to make the current system sustainable.

What is more important, 3 billion people or the current system.

I think most democratically elected governments will choose...

the current system.

Uh yeah was directed to asoka. God this blogging software sucks.

Gracias. Mucho Gusto.

Why do all these squirrels and Raccoons insist on being in the same space that I am currently occupying? I feel like I am swarmed by squirrels and Raccoons dammit. I've probably killed more than a hundred squirrels in the past month but they keep coming like there is no end. same thing with the raccoons. I have ripped out ceilings sealed off perimeters with diamond lathing but they still insist upon occupying the same space as me.

Allowing minorities in is the shuffling. Mexico needs a revolution, and by allowing a mass migration, we take the pressure off and thus perpetuate the system. You need to recall your Marxism 101.

I watch, read, and listen and all the folks repeat Fox News lines and mass consumption capitalism theories that will save us,even the left around here, only a few remain repeat the standard message, just recycle,and use plug in cars and life will be fine.
Netflix has a great series called, "Life after people" will shows how fast man's greatest building crumble to nature.

Prog,
How come you're not posting more? I miss reading your posts.

I couldn't agree more. America likes to think of itself as a 'Christian' nation but based on history and by all present appearances we never have been nor will we ever be.
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Thank God for that.

As I understand it, the central banks drop gobs of money into the banking system which the banks then use to purchase domestic and also foreign government bonds. So the governments fund their own long term debt by conjuring money from thin air. Ain't that a neat trick? Money fer nothin!
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...or dire straits, one or the other.

Sorry guys won't have time for the "Goon From the Moon" Award this week, going up to the lake for a few days. Neighbor has a great house with a private beach they let us use, and its my wife's birthday. If you can't be rich yourself, next best thing is to have rich friends.

I saw a Chinese Man walk by a very rare Chinese Bum. The Chinese Man became enraged that a fellow Chinese would let himself fall into such a state in a Land of Opportunity like America.
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I almost believe, that you believe, that you heard a "Chinese Man" berating a "Chinese Bum" because it was some sort of disgrace to the race. Almost.......

Why do all these squirrels and Raccoons insist on being in the same space that I am currently occupying?
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Perhaps you should consider putting a screen door and some windows in your lean to.

If you listen to the environmentalists, biologists, ecologists, and other experts on these matters, they almost unanimously predict the opposite, though, as I've stated before, everyone seems off on the particular time scale.

So you're saying there are experts who don't predict major collapse? Why would they be so optimistic? What are their reasons?

If the experts of doom are always off on the timescale, why do you lend credence to them?

JHK's an expert, Bob Prechter's an expert, how have their predictions panned out?

The guy predicting the collapse of the US like the USSR...how's his prediction panning out?


Where's the hyperinflation predicted as a result of central bank QE?

Where's the martial law CNFers predict, the massive starvation, the billion-person dieoffs?

It always 'later this summer or this fall', or just around the corner. Like Jesus, never seems to get here, and people and countries muddle through.

People are demonstrably much better off foodwise, moneywise, healthcare wise, transportwise, leisurewise, access to informationwise, and otherwise, than they've ever been in the history of humankind.


peace peaceniks


Do you vote in FUSA elections by absentee ballot?
Do you still hold a passport to this country?
Do you also hold a Brazilian passport?
What is your motivation to prognosticate such optimistic futures for the FUSA?

And finally, how long have you been working as an agent for both EMBRATUR (out of the Ministerio do Turismo) and the NSA (as a freelance informant)?

(Should have singed off with: no justice; no peace.)

Now, sure, I do agree lifestyles and comforts have "increased" over the last 60 years or so, but at what cost? Someone gains; somebody else loses. (And the planet, most of all.) Puts a big shit-eatin' grin on MY gob; howzabout you?

To be an effective agent, a majority of truths have to be juxtaposed against the lies.
little laddie lederhosen could take an object lesson from the "brazilian scofflaw".

lol, why would a ministry of tourism need a secret agent?

just more of the same spy gibberish cfners love to relish in.


is having an opinion forbidden, if it's not your opinion? seems so.


so now i have to tell you whether i vote, hold a passport...

really, you ought to sign up as a brownshirt with your good-citizen requirements.


sorry to spoil your doomer reverie but there are plenty of place and countries where people are doing very well, despite all the havoc on the surface.

even in parts of the u.s. and a.


peace peaceniks

Yep, the questions were silly.
So let's ask the one that we're all curious about:
Why do you give a shit what happens to us in the belly of the beast, when you're living the wonderful life of hedonistic ease elsewhere?
Hmmm?

"really, you ought to sign up as a brownshirt with your good-citizen requirements."

Ahhhh, and there it is; accusing me of being the exact opposite of what I represent. Now I tend to think my probing has hit a small nerve when such Rovian tactics surface...

What IS your distractionist deal?

you're living the wonderful life of hedonistic ease elsewhere

This is precisely the problem with CFN mentality, you hyperbolize/fatalize everything. Since someone
has a decent life, suddenly it's "hedonistic ease".

Laughable, as usual.

peace peaceniks


ps weather's nice and warm, roosters are crowing, dogs lolling around, trees are about to be full of mangoes and other fruit. can of very cold beer at the ready - y'all come on down now, we gots plenty o' good life fo' ya, heah?

(Now returning to not giving a shit about brazilian puffery. Grow your flowers and enjoy your life of ease.)

Plus, I see the main query is not addressed. A lot said without saying a damn thing...

Grow your flowers and enjoy your life of ease.

whew, thought it might be 'hedonistic' ease again.

appreciate the downgrade to normalcy.

will be travelling today, as we drive there'll be beautiful vistas of swaying palm trees juxtaposed against gargantuan planted forests of eucalyptus.

today is valentine's day here in brazil, so happy valentine's everyone, may you only be positive, there's so much to gain from that attitude.


peace peaceniks

"The only thing that makes debt, "money" is confidence that the future will always, "pay off". Once there is a lack of confidence that the future will indefinitely, "payoff" then debt returns to being just debt and loses it's claim as being "money"." -scott

Again, trust and confidence.
Without these touchstones a society (worth its name) cannot be built or maintained.
Pretty easy to see what direction we're headed in.
Massive fraud and deceit in the very highest echelons do not foretell a happy, secure future.

Mostly what I hear here is why we won't be able to do this or that. Just like those who said if God wanted people to fly, He would have given them wings; or if you kept traveling across the ocean, you'd eventually fall off the edge of the world; or God doesn't play dice with the universe; or there was no good use for all the oil found in Pennsylvania in the 1800's.

In the meantime, yesterday I left on a jet plane traveling at 535 mph 7 miles above the Earth to sunny Florida, where the temperature was a balmy 93 degrees, and I swum in the pool, and today I will get a nice, vigorous massage, take a cool shower to get off all the oil, and lounge by the pool reading a book. Right here, right now, life is good, and that's all that counts.

Thunderstorms come in, it gets ominously dark, lightning flashes, rain pours down, and guess what? Then the rain stops and the sun comes out.

Maybe the world will come to an end soon, but today everything is fine, and I choose to believe
despite some ups and downs, that everything will work out ok. I refuse to let doom and gloom rule my life.


Massive fraud and deceit in the very highest echelons do not foretell a happy, secure future.

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Regardless of what happens on a macroeconomic scale, a happy future grows out of a happy present.

You do not seem to possess that, so it is natural that you do not foretell a happy, secure future.

Maybe the world will come to an end soon, but today everything is fine, and I choose to believe
despite some ups and downs, that everything will work out ok.

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Amen, brother Bill.

Don't none of us have a crystal ball. Ain't nobody that can tell the future. But we do have the present moment. Unless we are on our death bed, most of us have the luxury of being able to inhale and exhale with ease and appreciate the beauty around us.

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Gloom and doom do not rule my life either.
I live quite happily. But also, I believe it healthy to internalize certain realities of the way "business" is conducted in circles that I do not run in that have the ability (and perhaps, motive) to END my happiness quite suddenly if finding me unprepared. (I also realize, quite appropriately, that there are no guarantees whatsoever.)

An example:

"Here howls the chasm: Between the apparatus of the privileged and powerful, in place, to create false fears and those things that should be rightly feared. For example: being in possession a healthy fear of the damage wrought by the corporate media by their incessant promulgation of manufactured fears. Conversely, one should fear the harm resultant from the contrived fears perpetrated by ruthless political leaders and mercenary media figures…committed in the name of protecting the public at large from imaginary enemies.

This is not so much a problem of: fearing fear itself; rather, it is a matter of gaining a healthy fear of the overkill exacted when self-serving institutions use counterfeit fear as a means of preserving their power -- standard modus operandi when institutions, public and private, have lost legitimacy." -Phil Rockstroh

Brilliant treatise.
Attitude is not awareness; awareness is not attitude. Let's get our distinctions in proper alignment.

(Well worth the read. If it should give one a "bad/unhappy attitude", perhaps questioning why that might be could be very useful, personally. Realities are dispassionate and disinterested in how we "feel" about them.)

Part 2 In the Name of My Father:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31545.htm


Enough bandwidth waste from me.
Prog is probably busy with "life intrusions", and will return in a timely fashion, I'm sure; no worries...

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One last thing in regards to musings on the workings of my mind (or lack thereof) and emotional makeup:
Attempts to discredit or dismiss my postings because of my "attitude" seems a bit off the point, doesn't it?

Try that with Mr. Kunstler and see what reaction you might receive.

The basic concept is that we steal from the future to power the present by consuming non-renewable fossil fuels in order to "live it up." Thus once these fuels disappear, unless there is some magical alternative, the population will necessarily contract with the food supply. Simple, really. That's all covered in the Overshoot book, which coined that term. It is a very convincing argument. I encourage you to read it rather than receive its arguments second hand from me. You'd presumably learn something.

Everything is not peachy keen. Food prices are rising and food scarcity is spreading. America has had had two major land wars in Asia, basically because of energy resources. Nearly all developed nations are in massive fiscal debt. And yet you say, oh yeah everything is great. Whatever.

And SO WHAT if everything is supposedly better than it has ever been. It cannot continue for much longer, that is, if you believe human societies follow the basic laws of physics. Just because people cannot generally predict exact dates does not at all imply that their reasoning is unsound.

Contraction of human society is in the cards. We decrease the long term carrying capacity of the earth with our activities that are designed to increase it, so that's a real Catch 22. All of you seem to want to make value judgments about this eventual correction, but events like this have occurred with many other species and ecosystems on the planet in the past. It is practically a law of nature. The classic examples are reindeer on an island, yeast in a petri dish, etc. Organisms tend to use up the available energy in their habitats, and eventually this causes a necessary correction in their population. It is a simple ecological concept, which, I guess, is difficult for most modern humans to understand, because they are divorced from the real underpinnings of their existence. So, fine, you got a massage by the pool, and it is sunny outside. Meanwhile, there's a gigantic island of plastic in the middle of the Pacific, the atmosphere continues to warm, and most large ocean fish are headed for extinction as we use them for sushi. But, no! Everything's fine. I'm okay. Yer okay. Too much magic, says I.

Yes James.

Shitting money is as good image as any, better than most.

But whoever labled this writing style "Doom Porn" is to be applauded.

Along with all the other things to be concerned about, James running out of new ways to state the problems is truely frightening.

But the truely creative mind will always find a way. True creativity in presenting the same reality in different and interesting ways in a mark of true genius.

This is what sets Jean Haze apart from a large field of wanna be actresses. She is capable of presenting material with a predictable conslusion in such varied ways as to hold an audience in the palm of her hand, time after time.

I am not suggesting that you are a whore, James. Just pointing out that you are the best at what you do and your prolific pontification is appreciated, thought provoking, honest and inspirational.

I dub Thee the King of Doom Porn.

Please keep up the good work.

Doc

"everything will work out ok"

Or maybe everything won't work out okay. If you've been, ya know, paying attention lately, that might be a more sound conclusion to make.

He's getting lazy. There's a lot more to talk about than just the finances, which is more a symptom than a cause.

I love the reasoning on here this week. I'm fine, so everything must be okay with the world. And things will work out okay in the end. Because there's beer and palm trees.

No, that's not the opposite of what you represent. You have shown your rage and desire for vengeance many times. If the Communist asked for enforcers, you'd be waiting at the door first thing in the morning.

Perhaps you should consider putting a screen door and some windows in your lean to. -dale

Good one dale but it is a condo and I have had a helluva time with critters taking up residence in my ceilings.

Right Dale. Just like when people take LSD or Psilocybin they "believe" that they "percieve" that colors are brighter. But what is the proof that they are so percieving - maybe they just believe themselves to be doing so! Or perhaps they are lying!

Dale you are both an asshole and a horse's ass and I have no doubt that both your face and history make this clear to all but you. This post showed both aspects of your wretched personality.

Asoka brought up the idea of a debt Jubilee as a solution to the problem of too much debt. An idea that has been kicked around, here at CFN for many years.

Debt Jubilee's are for erasing bad debts not bad debt money. Our money is debt and the only thing that makes debt, "money" is confidence. A debt Jubilee would be no different than saying our money is no longer any good. Re-do! What could go wrong?

Confidence can be a fickle thing, once it is gone it doesn't just reappear overnight.

There will be no debt Jubilee.

Ah the classic Dale versus Vlad feud continues. Ima go get some popcorn. BRB.

If you listen to the environmentalists, biologists, ecologists, and other experts on these matters, they almost unanimously predict the opposite, though, as I've stated before, everyone seems off on the particular time scale.

So you're saying there are experts who don't predict major collapse? Why would they be so optimistic? What are their reasons?
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Turkle,
No one knows when collapse will happen, although any reasonable examination of history would suggest it always does. Overreach followed by collapse, and the cycle starts all over again. Often the reasons are environmental, or a combination of environmental and social.

"Predicting" such a thing is sort of like predicting Hailey's comet will return, doesn't make you a genius for doing so. The only difference is they know when Hailey's comet returns, collapse is something else again.

History also shows that we are terrible at predicting the timing of such things.....no, make that horribly terrible at predicting the timing of such things. Any reasonable examination of history would suggest it pure folly to think otherwise. One sure way you know you are listening to a fool is, he will attempt to predict such colossally complex events.

Modernity could collapse sometime in the next five years, or stumble along like a drunken fool for another 200. Furthermore, how do we know what would be better? Environmental collapse may keep mankind from destroying itself, would that be a good or bad outcome?

One thing I am absolutely sure about, things change, constantly, and attempts to stop change is doomed to failure. Some species will survive, other will fail, the "earth" will be just fine either way.

A wise policy since Blacks would then drive the Jewish kids away or at least try to. Recently Israel expelled thousands of illegal Black Africans. Meanwhile Jews all over the world agitate Western Goverments on behalf of illegals. It's always do what I say not as I do with the Jews.

Right Dale. Just like when people take LSD or Psilocybin they "believe" that they "percieve" that colors are brighter. But what is the proof that they are so percieving - maybe they just believe themselves to be doing so! Or perhaps they are lying!
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Precisely my point Vlad, if you can park your emotions for a moment let's examine your claim. What is perception and what is conception.

Starting with, how did you know the two guys were "Chinese"?

Good one dale but it is a condo and I have had a helluva time with critters taking up residence in my ceilings.
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get those limbs away from your roof.

Just as I predicted yesterday, in response to the terrorist message posted by Q., today most of the loss has been gained back. Markets are not falling.

DOW 12513.37 UP +102.14‎ (0.82% GAIN‎)

I pay the HOA $200 a month to maintain the property. Like many HOA's and practically everything else in this world it is corrupt. To give you one example of many, all of the roofs here need replacing. They are flat roofs, my roof they paid some fly by night Latinos $3,000 to roll out some roofing paper and put some diluted hot tar on it. Wouldn't doubt the property manager got a kickback out of that.

HOA board members get $16,000 state of the art warranted flat roof systems on their buildings.

Oh come on Diggity Dale. Vlad is our resident expert on all things racial. I bet he can tell someone's skin color and country of origin by the smell of their farts. He's that good.

Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee. John Donne

Let you heart expand Zone. Don't be a grinch. You hate Welles because he's a human being who has escaped the wretchedness you're stuck in. If YOU escaped, you wouldn't give a shit about the folks back home. But he's not like that, not like you.

Fuck you, it's my point. Perception is a mental event as much as physical. No psychologist can deny that trippers aren't experiencing what they say they are. The fact that so many experience the same thing is a kind of proof in itself. See Varieties of Pyschedelic Experience by Jean Houston.

And why would they lie? Why would I? Most people don't lie just for the fun of it. That's what psychopaths like you do.

How did I know they were Chinese? They looked Chinese. Near Chinatown in Boston. Many Chinese and few Japanese, Koreans, but some Vietmanese too. I grant you they could have been Vietmanese who look alot like the Southern Chinese who are the large majority in Boston's Chinatown. And of course many ethnic Chinese live in Vietnam.

Nothing was said, but the contempt on the man's face was eloquent. There are many ways to communicate. I'm sorry if you can't read non verbal signals - they are a universal language. And do you reall believe he would have thrown such a look at a White or Black bum? No, why would he care so much? See perception doesn't explain itself - it takes some thinking to interpret it as well.

OR just learn to like the taste of freshly BBQ'd raccoon and squirrel. Plus, you can make a cool retro hat from the hides. I'm full of good ideas today!

The have put so many layers of roofing paper and diluted hot tar roof fixes over the years they have covered up the plumbing vents. Now sewer gasses are venting into the common areas of the building. Had to entirely demo out my master bathroom to seal everything off from those gasses. The plumbing chases are huge and they are full of shredded paper from the circa late 60's slag wool insulation.

One set of units burned quickly recently when a plumber was sweating in a new shower valve he ignited the shredded paper and the chimney effect of the plumbing vent quickly spread to the roof.

Eric Holder just asked to step down. What a Creep. Hopefully Obama will have the sense to ditch him, but I doubt it.

North Dakota voting on getting rid of the property tax. What a glorious thing never to have to worry about losing your home. How could anyone vote for the tax - it's against what this Country was supposed to be all about.

Furthermore, how do we know what would be better? Environmental collapse may keep mankind from destroying itself, would that be a good or bad outcome?

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Are you going for the prize yourself, what with the question marks and all.

Modernity could collapse sometime in the next five years, or stumble along like a drunken fool for another 200.

This is what I believe also. Since we cannot know, instead of worrying, the enjoyment of the present moment is sufficient.

Enjoying the present moment is enhanced when you have a Plan B in a place not requiring heating or cooling, have built an adobe hut, paid off all your debts, gotten off the grid, and lowered your income to below a taxable level.

Worry is also minimized if you do not have any investments in the "financial industry" and do not buy any gold or silver. (Owning "precious" metals just means you have to worry about protecting them and yourself. They own you.)

Whenever a Black Friday happens, not having any savings or investments means no worry about losing your "assets" in a "crash."

Es mejor vivir con lo mínimo necesario. --

Make decisions that mean freedom from worry. It doesn't require wealth. Just get free from material wealth.

Here is a helpful FREE EBOOK to get started:

Thriving on Less – Simplifying in a Tough Economy by Leo Babuta

All racial profiling aside, I'm not sure why you think that contempt for the homeless is somehow laudable or commendable. A lot of people these days are about one paycheck away from being thrown out into the street. Others have mental problems. Heck, a lot of Vietnam vets are homeless, because they were broken and no one took care of them. Thems the breaks, man. Nothing to get all high and mighty about. It is a fallacy to believe that "anyone can make it in America." Some don't, so the statement is demonstrably false.

And aren't you on public assistance, anyways? Or living at your mom's house. Or something. Because I thought you mentioned being out of work for awhile. So why haven't you made it big in the land of plenty, Vladski? Is it some basic character flaw or is it another case of the "The Man" holding you down?

Now you're ready to start shrinking heads - just pick up a drum and a few magical bones. Also a good Pot. Need I say more?

"What a Creep."

And you're not?

I don't condone the man's attitude completely. But Chinese do help each other out alot so his failure might be more his own fault than a typical White or Black's. I thought I made that clear when I said in Old China it wasn't someone's fault if they were destitute.

You obviously have no compassion for any White Man down on his luck. Your kind never does since you only get points for being good to Non Whites. It's all about the points with you people. How you can live with such a vile attitude escapes me.

You like Eric Holder? What a creep.

OK, so maybe one was "Chinese" and the other could have been some other ethnic group entirely. When you see contempt in someone eyes or in their voice (apparently they weren't speaking english) that allows you to determine what the conversation was about? Maybe the guy was mad at the homeless man because he was sitting outside of his business and driving business away... nothing to do with being "Chinese" or ethnic pride. For all you know the two could have been related and having a family dispute.

This is the point I was trying to make, your judgements are so distorted by your conceptions you don't know what you see, even in the conventional sense.

Race warrior Vlad is now talking about MY lack of compassion for other people. Vlad, you are such an inadvertent comedian, a true master of irony.

Well, I don't have any compassion for you, but let's not go too far and extend this lack of sympathy to entire races. Perhaps if you looked for a job using one tenth the energy you pour into astroturfing here, you'd actually find some gainful employment. But I guess it is easier to just continue trolling day after day after day and blame it all on your bum luck. Beats working, doesn't it? But something actually tells me that it is your terrible attitude about other people that prevents you from getting work. Potential employers probably get a nice big whiff of your bad vibes and take a pass.

Maybe I jumped to conclusions to quickly when I thought those sewer gasses were the new neighbors in the unit below me making crank? They all have meth melt teeth, shaved heads with death tattooed on the side of them and the first thing they did after moving in was to black out all of the windows and put, "warning guard dog" signs up.

I really didn't notice those sewer gasses before they moved in. Maybe they are disassembling lithium batteries and sometimes short circuiting some of them in the process and when they get too hot they have to douse them in the shower to cool them off? SO2 would be the gas that would be emitted from such a process.

Um, no, not particularly. He's just your standard "know nothing" apparatchik/technocrat who is continually covering his hide.

So you just making things up again, Vladdie? Par for the course.

I will say this though. I like him more than I like you.

There's a lot more to talk about than just the finances, which is more a symptom than a cause. - Turkle

Chicken and egg phenom to some extent IMO.

For a while everyone "felt good". Houses were being built and mortgages were being written at a huge pace. House prices were booming, people were buying houses that they couldn't previously dream of owning a home.

And then the crash. How did it happen? Greenspan was printing money like there was no tomorrow ie the Fed was pulling money out of its ass in Jimmy the K's parlance. New financial products were being devised like collateralized debt obligations and credit default swaps wnd ninja (liar) loans to help banks deploy all that dough that Greenspan was conjuring.

But, inevitably, the economy hit the debt wall with a huge splat. People didn't have the jobs that provided the income to pay those mortgages. And so they started to default and all those financial instruments backed by all those non performing mortgages went bad.

Why did Greenspan do it? I don't know. You might accuse him of wanting to make his buddies on Wall Street happy. But if you think the policy was well intentioned you might say Greenspan wanted to help the USA skate over the effects of offshoring. Offshoring was draining America of jobs and capital and Greenspan was trying to keep the boat afloat. Something like the stimulative (and massively inflationary) monetary policy in the 1970s as central bank governors tried to counteract the effects of oil shocks.

So, if you go with this line of reasoning, Greenspan was using monetary policy to counter-act the effects of "real" economic changes. An inappropriate/ineffective use of monetary policy IOW. Stimulative monetary policy could be seen as the symptom of the underlying changes in the real economy - offshoring - but it was also the cause of the subsequent torrent of mal-investment (in Eleuthero's words).

You like Eric Holder? What a creep.
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Vlad, to anyone arm's length away from you, it clear you are an absolute puppet on a string to every emotional state that comes careening into your skull. You are completely out of control. It would be laughable to anyone who has no compassion for you and doesn't realize how much suffering you are creating for yourself.

"Tolerance and Apathy are the last virtues of a dying Society." Aristotle

Well I'm confused now. Isn't tolerance part of being compassionate? Or are you more a fan of "tough love"?

"an absolute puppet on a string to every emotional state that comes careening into your skull"

I like this. Can I steal it for my repertoire?

Character assasination is not a logical argument, Dale. You have to explain and yes, defend, why you like Eric Holder. Most normal people find him sickening now that he has revealed what he is.

Do you like him because he's Black? Aren't you special! Btw, he's not Black - use your eyes.

apparently you're surrounded!

Tolerating the intolerable is slave morality, little Turk. You better be careful: you're going to lose Charlie. Buck and him were flirting the other day while you weren't around.

It will be tough luck not love for you when he leaves becase you were taking him for granted.

He doesn't have to DO anything, Vlad. And then, again, we have a hilarious example of your hypocrisy, wherein you accuse him of character assassination, and but a few posts ago you accused me of being a "creep" for no good reason at all. And round and round we go.

Character assasination is not a logical argument, Dale. You have to explain and yes, defend, why you like Eric Holder. Most normal people find him sickening now that he has revealed what he is.
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Vlad, pointing out the logical inconsistencies in how you draw conclusions, isn't character assassination.

You can have empathy for someone's suffering and be unwilling to tolerate their behavior.

The question is what are you willing to tolerate? How do you define "tolerance"? There's different ways of looking at it.

He wrote a standard economic text in his youth complete with warnings about fiat currency. Eveidently he sold out when the big boys invited him in. What is their plan? I'd say they want to crash the system and then assume absolute power.
They never cared about Capitalism or Communism per se - these were vehicles, nothing more. The real thing is to get to the Top and stay there. So much for Democracy or Constitutional Goverment.

I "know" you as an internet entity. I remember you as a creep from reading you and talking to you online over the last couple of years.

Um...okay. Me no understand your post beyond the first sentence. Some kind of inside joke?

And, regarding Eric Holder, I don't particularly like him. I watched his performance in front of Congress in the Fast and Furious testimony, and it sure was incredible how much he didn't remember or didn't know. Apparently, no one tells him anything. But he's hardly unique in that respect. Practically every official who shows up in front of Congress conveniently forgets dates and details that would incriminate them or make them look bad.

But, you know, in the scheme of things, I'm not going to waste any energy hating on him. He's a rather small cog in a big machine. I think there are probably others who are far more deserving of my ire. Any top official in the infamous Bush administration is far more loathsome than Mr. holder, for instance.

And is it just a big coincidence that you seem to slaver in Pavlovian fashion over these Fox Newsy topics like Obama's birth certificate and Eric Holder? You purport to be some kind of independent, but all I see is another right wing sock puppet who asks "how high" when Fox says jump.

So you like Eric Holder? Why, cuz he's Black? Isn't that kind of insulting? Doesn' it imply that's all he is or has going for him? But, hey you may be right.

In a society as crazy as our's, these questions aren't out of line. After all, Obama got elected because he's Black.

I like this. Can I steal it for my repertoire?
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You bet, I steal material all the time.

I'm done for the day. Wish it would help the guy to point out how nakedly foolish what he says is, but in reality it probably only feeds his misbegotten sense of being a victim. Which he is, of course.... of himself.

You can read and study all you want, imagine yourself an intellectual, quote Aristotle even, but if you insist on living in the surface film of life, you'll never be anything but a cipher, one without weight, or substance.

difference, you pathetic insect, is that the woman who just fucked my brains out, and is right now washing dishes- and yeah, she s barefoot- is my girlfriend...the woman screaming at you to wash the goddamned dishes already is your momma...so quit pullin' yer pud and gitcher chores finished, boy

Dale, it's all a matter of perspective. You know the saying, "the early bird catches the worm", a metaphor for don't procrastinate. But from the worm's point of view it's "the early worm who gets caught", a metaphor for don't be over-anxious. Same situation in both cases, but different outcomes for each, one positive, one negative.

Same with the past and the future, a matter of perspective - it's how you look at things. When Rome was sacked it was bad for the Romans; their civilization took a death blow. But for the Germanic tribes that followed, it was a major advance that ultimately led to the rise of middle and north Europe.

Where I think CFNers go in the wrong direction, is not fully appreciating the meaning of evolution and change. Human civilization is evolving as a result of accelerating change. Now this evolution may result in only 500,000,000 people going forward into the future, but continuing into the future we will. One man's collapse is another man's change. Even if our society doesn't "collapse", we would barely recognize it 75 years from now.

If one looks broadly at human civilization over a long time-scale, one would see that civilizationally speaking we have continued to evolve. You know what TEOTWAWKI stands for, the key words being "as we know it". In this light, one can see that TEOTWAWKI has been occurring regularly about every 20-40 years. It doesn't mean extinction or severe regression.

JD sed, "I had to look up cloacal and it ain't pretty."

Its where breakfast comes from for billions of people.

This sounds reasonable. I think what many CFNers get excited about (in a morbid, rubber-necking, kind of way) is your statement:

Now this evolution may result in only 500,000,000 people going forward into the future, but continue into the future we will.

I posit that many people here are leading boring lives and actually look forward to collapse to make life more interesting. Sad.

There is plenty to do to prepare. Here is a helpful FREE e-BOOK in PDF to get started:

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The Ku Klux Klan (KKK) is an organization intent on promoting white supremacy through terrorism and political violence. Throughout their 150+ years of activity, they've organized and carried out lynchings, bombings, cross burnings and actively campaigned against the Civil Rights Movement and desegregation. Anyone who does not fit their narrow definition of being a "true American"- white and Christian- is a target of their violence, including African Americans, Catholics, Jews, immigrants, communists, etc. Their death toll numbers are in the thousands and the damages they have inflicted on our country are immeasurable.

And now, the Ku Klux Klan wants to "adopt" a highway in Georgia.

The "adopt a highway" program allows local civic-minded organizations to help clean up stretches of highways in return for free advertising along the road. Meaning the KKK would be able to advertise their organization and increase their membership on public land, for free.

Harley Hanson, the leader of the Klan's Realm of Georgia who filed the application for the Klan, says: "I love my race. Does that make me wrong? I'm proud to be white."

The KKK is not a civic-minded organization; they are a domestic terror group.

"What's next, are we going to let Neo-Nazis or the Taliban or al-Qaida adopt highways?" asks Georgia State Rep. Tyrone Brooks.

And I agree. So now I'm calling on the Georgia Department of Transportation to reject the KKK's application to adopt a highway. Terrorists have no place on the sides of our highways.

Sign a petition to Georgia Dept. of Transportation. http://www.change.org/petitions/don-t-let-the-kkk-adopt-a-highway

Beano bleats "If one looks broadly at human civilization over a long time-scale, one would see that civilizationally speaking we have continued to evolve. You know what TEOTWAWKI stands for, the key words being "as we know it". In this light, one can see that TEOTWAWKI has been occurring regularly about every 20-40 years. It doesn't mean extinction or severe regression."

Reading your attempt to define the terms of your conclusion in order to justify your reasoning... is annoying.

My impression is that civilization is changing, but we (humans in general) are not evolving, because the selection pressures remain more or less the same. It all comes down to who women will fuck in what circumstances and by what criteria. The standards are as low as ever. Except now we have pervasive organic and inorganic pollution.

Technology will drive human evolution, if we get there, from here on out.

Precisely, and all of our perspectives are so limited by our corporeal nature.

I saw a program on evolution that traced the rise of Homo Sapiens to a period of rapid cycles in the weather a few hundred thousand years ago. Before that early hominids had been doing just fine for 100s thousand of years, didn't need to change.

My problem with the aggressive environmental mindset isn't it's moral POV, which I'm largely in agreement with, but its lack of adherence to rationality and perspective.

I've not heard any environmental scientist who would claim that anything we are likely to do, in terms of modifying our collective behavior, would have any significant impact. At best, the very best, it might put off the inevitable for a few years.

You want to REALLY change it. End population growth and human avarice. Anything else is playing on the margins.

Environmentalist seem to imagine that humans are outside of the equation of nature, but that isn't true, were not as in control of our destiny as we like to think. If the die off comes, whenever, it may be just what destiny called for to catalyze real evolutionary change.

OK I'm done being preachy, Asoka, how much are you making on each of those books anyway?

My impression is that civilization is changing, but we (humans in general) are not evolving,
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Yeah that appears to us, with our limited lifespans, to be true. However, that same program had scientists saying that evolution is moving faster now than it ever did, something they can determine from genetic analysis. Surprised me, did't say if it's moving in the right direction.;)

As george carlin put it "pack your shit, we're going away"..good run..too bad we're takin the innocent on the way...weee!

BTW -- nice to have an intelligent conversation here, it's been a long time. Between the emotionalizing and the politicizing, it's become about six sigma horseshit.

Holder is a complete Tyrant - obviously. You are going very easy on him cuz he's Black and part of Obmama's Administration. And you like him cuz he's Black and a Socialist.

In other words, you got nuthin. You adore Eric Holder because he's Black and an appointee of the Divine Obama. And you use Buddhist Epistemology in an attempt to obfuscate commonsense and ordinary communcation. Shame on you for perverting the Dharma.

Whats good for the joos aint good for the goyim.

[My apologies to Mother Goose].

So I had the TV on earlier today when I learned via a political ad that Massachusetts lost thousands of manufacturing jobs while Romney was the governor - twice the national average or so the ad stated. In the very next commercial I learned something entirely different: that Romney actually reduced unemployment in Massachusetts when he was governor!

Back and forth the commercials went - I personally listened to five pairs before turning the TV off - like ideological ping-pong balls.

Meanwhile, in another Obama ad an older working-man is lamenting Romney's lamentable record in regards to manufacturing jobs. This guy looks like a union worker out of the 50s, a real lunch pale carrying type of laborer. The only problem is these type of American born workers don't really exist in large numbers anymore. Moreover, will a young worker serving coffee at Starbucks for ten bucks an hour, or stocking shelves at Walmart, develop an ideological alliance with the union working man who makes three times that amount plus benefits?

No, the young worker, many of whom are saddled with tens of thousands of dollars worth of college student loan debt will not feel solidarity, they will feel disdain and it will be the disdain instilled by those pitting the scramblers for the scraps against one another. It's the race to the bottom and the triumph of the unjust argument, Socrates be damned.

It's capitalism without conscience and Ted 'Bonehead' Nugent pounding out "Dog-Eat Dog" lyrics as the blood drips from the corner of his savage right-wing mouth, symbolic of capitalism's descent into cannibalism.

It's the "Conservative" master plan come to full fruition, billowing in the celebratory cigar smoke of Rush Limbaugh.

In other words, you got nuthin. You adore Eric Holder because he's Black and an appointee of the Divine Obama.
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To answer your question Vlad, as an "attorney general" Holder seems to me to be something of an empty suit, who failed to go after the criminality on wall street and the Bush administration. But, of course, that is what Obama wanted him to be, and I tend to think the same is true of Obama.

That being said, I don't "like" or "dislike" Holder. Making such distinctions is beside the point, and reducing it to emotion is childish IMO.

The same could be said of you, while your "persona" here, "Vlad", is a seriously distorted two dimensional image or a complete and functional human being. "You" are not, and only need to be willing to realize the true nature of reality to see yourself in your true light. You may find it hard to believe, because I do kid you from time to time, and you take it way too seriously, but I hope you do make that transition in this life.

BTW -- If you need any proof of the truth of karma. Consider what happened after I teased you about your cat pissing on you. Night before last, our cat walked over to me, took one look at me, and barfed on my foot, and I was wearing sandals! I yelled at the cat, and my wife got mad at me....ya can't win.

'Why did Greenspan do it? I don't know. '
I do, he inflated a bubble.
He was paid to lie.
He said 'the economy is strong'!!!!!!!!!!!

The best critique of him is in one of Jim Rogers books, its short and bitter. He was a failure long before his incompetence / dishonesty made him world famous.

[Investment Banker and Adventure Capitalist are the 2 books. Not sure which one briefly mentions him].

As a lifetime Massachustts resident, I got disinterested in Mass. politics - too much incompetence and corruption. I didn't follow Romney closely when he was governor, but I saw that a lot of his problems as governor were because the state Democrats fought him tooth and nail on most everything he tried to do - kind of what Obama has gone through with the Republicans. To bridge that gap between the parties requires a perceived strong leader with stature who commands respect, and I don't think either candidate has those qualities.

Return bleat to you, Bustin:

I wasn't trying to justify my reasoning, I was trying to point out that using various pet doomer terms could have more positive implications than originally intended.

And I said "civilizationally speaking" we have continued to evolve, not biologically, although we probably are genetically as well. I should have been more clear in making my point.

It's funny you said capitalism without a conscience, because I've always advocated "capitalism with a conscience", although I'm beginning to wonder if that's possible.

I really don't care if Europe goes under. When they originally came up with the idea of the European Union the United States felt as though it would impact our economy negatively. We tried Nafta and then South America trade and eventually China trade. All was done to off set the impact of the European Union on the U.S. economy and compete with them. The EU did relatively well and America didn't do so well. The Bankers got busy with risky business that led us into the mess that led us to the bigger mess today. However, I think we secretly are HAPPY that Europe is failing. And I will go out on a limb and say that I think we actually caused their problems directly or indirectly. Once Americans stopped buying and traveling en masse, the world stopped too. If Europe goes under it doesn't automatically mean we will. Of course, I am not sure about anything, because I really know only what they tell us. I am making an educated guess. But again, I really don't care if Greece, Italy, Spain, Ireland, England and Germany goes back to their own currencies. They really were living off the American dollar anyway. So if you look at it that way, their Economy started tanking in 2008.

Butttttt, hes not Black, he is mixed race.
Sad that some folks had such a happy day when someone was elected POTUS and their happiness was due to the fact the man elected is only half white!

Romney is showing himself incompetent when it comes to government spending programs. First he says we don't need more police, firefighters, and teachers. Then he says no federal money is spent on those jobs. He was only off by billions of dollars when he said Tuesday that the federal government doesn't pay for police officers, firefighters and teachers.

Trying to counter criticism from the White House, Romney argued that it was "completely absurd" to say he would cut the hiring of such civil servants because the federal government plays no part in those decisions.

"That's a very strange accusation," Romney said on "Fox & Friends." "Of course, teachers and firemen and policemen are hired at the local level and also by states. The federal government doesn't pay for teachers, firefighters or policemen. So obviously that is completely absurd."

In fact, the federal government spends huge amounts of money to support all those professions through federal spending under Title 1, IDEA, COPS and the SAFER program..

"I really don't care if Europe goes under."

You might. Whose to say that wouldn't cause a chain reaction that crashes the world economy? It is all interconnected these days. American banks own gobs of EU bonds and Euro banks have tons of American bonds.

Vlad, are you deliberately dense or just missing brain cells? Dale said, quite explicitly, that he neither likes nor dislikes Holder and does not think of political officials in those terms. Yet you then turn around and state that Dale "adores" Holder. This is called the Straw Man Fallacy, where you argue against a position your opponent never made. You seem awful fond of it. In fact, I could point to multiple instances every week in which you get into arguments with yourself over points that were never stated.

dale, the book is a free PDF download. I get nothing by recommending it except good karma.

Contributing something positive to CFN, helping those who need help simplifying their lives. I am fine because I've worked at preparing for years, but that doesn't mean I don't want to be helpful to others. I don't just think about myself.

The U.S. Department of Justice filed a federal lawsuit against Florida calling on it halt the ongoing purge because it is within 90 days of a federal election.

The Scott administration a day earlier filed its own lawsuit demanding access to a federal immigration database that it says could help identify non-U.S. citizens.

Non-citizens in Florida pay taxes and should be able to vote. We fought a war over that right.

NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!

CORRECTION

ALL UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS WORKING IN THE USA SHOULD BE ABLE TO VOTE!

Immigrants have money automatically deducted directly from their paychecks —even those who are here illegally. But how? Well, the Social Security Administration estimates that 75% of undocumented immigrants are actually on formal payrolls and are paid by check just like anyone else.

They get on the payroll by using fake or fraudulent social security numbers or social security numbers of the deceased, which are easily available from counterfeiters for a couple hundred dollars.

A growing number of undocumented immigrants now file their income taxes using Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITINs). ITINs are issued by the IRS for filing purposes only and do not provide permission to work.

Sales Tax: Every time you buy something, you pay sales tax. That money goes to state and local governments. Staying at a hotel or renting a car, you pay state and local taxes. If you fill up your gas tank, you automatically pay state and federal gasoline taxes. If you buy liquor or cigarettes, you automatically pay various local, state, and federal excise taxes. Immigrants —legal and illegal —all buy things, and thus pay these taxes as part of their purchase.

Property Tax: Local governments also collect property taxes, which are a percentage of the value of one’s home and fund services like schools, certain medical services, and police and fire stations. Immigrants —legal and illegal —pay these taxes directly if they own a home, or indirectly if they rent.

Possible instances of overpayment

Illegal immigrants pay into Social Security via automatic payroll deductions, but they can never claim Social Security benefits because they are here illegally and because their Social Security numbers are fake. It’s estimated that undocumented immigrants pay about $7 billion per year in Social Security taxes that they will never be able to reclaim.

Most Americans get tax refunds at the end of the year. Illegal immigrants don’t get refunds unless they file, which many don’t do because they fear deportation.

Speaking of immigrants, President Obama has a 34% lead over Romney with Latino voters (in the latest NBC/Wall Street Journal/Telemundo poll)

To bridge that gap between the parties requires a perceived strong leader with stature who commands respect, and I don't think either candidate has those qualities.

Bill,

I'm not sure any leader, past or present, could liquify the current ossification of political ideology into a partisan river flowing in one united direction. Truly the country is irreconcilably divided. Perhaps when more of the masses become disenfranchised will a semblance of ideological consensus arrive; but even at that, only after many former right-wingers have a good long look in the mirror and shake off the denial of being duped for so many years.

Mangas Coloradas was a 6' 4" Apache leader and Gen George Crook and his 5000 US cavalrymen could not defeat Geronimo and his small band of warriors - they simply became tired of the pursuit and running.

GW in the Apache desert? I would not of bet on him.

BTW, are you doing OK? Ol' Dale and Turkle really worked you over today - rest easy.


Even US Soldiers Are Waking Up to USA War Crimes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=W6TlQbuLjIU

Thank you Dale - that was the first humble thing you've said in a long time. Just for the record, my cat did not piss on me but on the rug. You heard what you wanted to hear and then it happened to you.

It's beautiful - a "Eucatastrophe". Now what moral are you going to take away from this incursion from the realm of Fairy?

Who won, Whites or Indians? And George Washington was White - our hero. Blacks don't root for White players btw, nor do Black kids ever wear the number or name of a White Player. And whose more racist again?

I kicked their ass and you know it - just like I just kicked your's.

His glorius explication about Holder was after my accusatory post. You make mistakes like that everytime we argue. It's almost like you care more about winning than the Truth. I usually win because the Truth is advocate. God is my Co-Pilot or I'm his.

My brother pointed out something interesting: Obama senior was pure Negro and thus very dark like most Negroes from that area. Usually the offspring of a White and a pure Negro is much darker with far more negroid features than Obama has. Obama may well have been fathered by one of the other Black activists that she dated. Perhaps the college professor - I forget his name but he had the skin tone that would produce someone like Obama.

Asoka, read this and let us know what you think.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/06/11/why-the-bailout-in-spain-wont-work/

Interesting new theory that Christopher Columbus was Jewish - and the cream keeps on rising to the top:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/22/christopher-columbus-jewish_n_1534928.html

Andrew Ross Sorkin runs with people like Julia Allison and Nouriel Roubini. I think he is overpaid at $250,000 to write columns like this one which say nothing.

Besides, Andrew's commentary has now been proven mistaken. My predication (made yesterday) has been validated.

You may recall you pointed out the DOW went down 1.14% yesterday and I responded that it would go back up today. Indeed it did, and more!

12573.80 +162.57‎ (Gain of 1.31%‎)

The fact that he has already been proven wrong about the market reaction does not inspire any confidence in the rest of his commentary, especially as he uses "slippery eel" vocabulary:

"should be apparent"
"it now appears"
"it could be argued"

But his conclusion that "kicking the can down the road will fail" is basically wrong. Kicking the can down the road has worked. Historical precedent is not on Andrew's side. The Euro has worked although many, like Andrew, never thought it would get off the ground to begin with. Here are some of his previous columns:

2010 ... Volcker Worried About Dissolution of Euro Zone .... Andrew Ross Sorkin

2008 ... Euro Zone Nears Moment of Truth on Staying Together

2007 ... "With an excruciating choice between austerity measures and a departure from the euro, the birthplace of democracy is frozen..."

2006 ... 90 Seconds with Art Cashin: Will Euro Zone Fall Apart?

2003 ... "Does Andrew Ross Sorkin annoy you, too? ... on European elections, about change sweeping through the euro zone, be grateful that you live in the U.S. of A."

Andrew has been talking trash about the Euro zone for ten years and none of his predictions of collapse have come true.

Andrew doesn't like "kicking the can" and will not accept that kicking the can and electronic QE is the new reality ... and it works.

"Break out the bubbly", says this New York transplant and now fiercely independent Arizona wrangler.

Jesse Kelly has lost and Ron Barber has won Congressional District 8. Gabbie Giffords territory.

Positions taken by Kelly and then flip-flopped on:

Do away completely with Social Security and Medicare, described by Jesse as the greatest Ponzi schemes ever.

Zero taxes on corporations, 24% on the people, more if needed.

Eliminate the minimum wage, "We must abolish the program."

For the last few weeks his grandfather is all over the tv saying, "Jesse wouldn't say those things, he's my grandson."

A true blue political whore. Anything for the power.

Old news, there are pix online [alt right? prison planet? poli-cesspool?] that compare pix of a ChiTown lefty and Obama, they look exactly like father and son.
Not that I care.
As a 'child' of a third worlder he may have gotten $$$.

Obama does not look 1/2 Black.

Official site of Dreams from My Real Father (2012)
www.obamasrealfather.com/

The film makes the case that Barack Obama's real father was Frank Marshall Davis, ... What was the source of Obama's foundation in Marxism? ... Davis (1905-1987) was a Communist Party USA (CPUSA) propagandist in Chicago.

Hey Mister Historian, was Columbus jewish and did he
sell 8 year olds as sex slaves?

I read that latter info in 'Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight'.

And having read comments here for years, I doubt if you care what Turkle or anyone posts about you.

Wow...no Chinese spams for 2? days.

Liar, immigrants [esp Mexicans] have larger families if they MOVE HERE.
And more of their children survive.
And 'we' pay for it, in many ways.
Also $ 'they' sent home feeds 'them' and more food = more people and more potential for catastrophe.
Ask the Irish how they overshot CC.

kiss off and die soka.

NEVER say Never. Time will tell.

The Austrian economists explained reality a long time ago, but everyone has fantasies of an easier way so they went with the alternate view, Keynesian economics.

Keynes's basic idea was that you could eliminate the business cycle by putting government money into the economy during downturns. But that only works when you use money SAVED during good times. That flaming queen Keynes thought government could borrow or print any amount of the money and the good times would continue ad infinitum.


Succinctly and well stated, Mike. I would also add that Keynes' ideas only work in an economy dominated by manufacturing. Keynes didn't know what a "service economy" even was since they didn't exist in those days. That "saved" money you refer to was obtained through banking surpluses from the sale of GOODS. People forget that since Biblical times, authorities had SURPLUSES at the start of downturns because they believed that during the "seven years of plenty" you SAVED for the "seven years of lean".

In this postmodern era when everyone is a smarty-pants, we think that we can come up with economic "rocket science" that overturns 5000 years of human social history and all of the experiments done during those millenia which led to simple and correct rules of how to run economies.

If Keynes' ideas held any water at all, then John Law would have been the most successful financier in history but Mr. Keynes appears to have overlooked the fact that the South Sea Company and Mississippi companies had already failed CENTURIES before his "brilliant" notions were penned.

It seems to be in the nature of postmodern men to posture as godlike creatures whose wisdom, all by itself, exceeds that of many millenia of men before them as if those men were all primitive cretins. It's the reason why the world economy is heading into something that will create a war for fake reasons and the reason why there isn't a shred of a becoming modesty in the financial and political communities. They really think that applying advanced mathematics in spheres where it doesn't work makes them the Isaac Newton's of social science.

It merely makes them look like befuddled gomers. Cheesis K. Reist ... the formulae of two of these geniuses (Nobelists Sharpe and Lintner and LTCM) damned near took down the entire US Economy over a wrong-way options bet.

There has always been Hubris in Man. However, it has never been as pandemic as it is now.


E.

E.,
As an addendum, Scott's post of 10:11AM on the 11th nailed it down as well. (Of course, another policy driven by overarching hubris. Shenanigans, if you will.)

"The same fundamentals that caused the U.S economic model to fail 1n 1971 are now in place globally except now there is no other worlds left to extrapolate infinite growth in production, consumption and debt creation. " -scott

Oopsie!

As for the big a?
What say we just crown him Emperor of da Woild and see how it goes?
As he will shortly tell you, his ducks are indeed in a neat row, as authenticated and proven by a vast array of experts. (It's all in the facts and stats, man, surrender your futile resistance!)

I hope the first promise to every human will be: "An electric, self-guided car [with internet access to a.] in every driveway, and a chicken in every self-satisfied mud hut."

Quit yer belly-achin'! He'll be by with some patent nostrums so soothe our fevered brows and return us to the land of Morpheus. Won't that be nice?
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it is typical of your rhetorical tactics that you use two DAYS of market behavior as "evidence" of the correctness of a "prediction".

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My prediction was specific and time-limited. As such I have a right to claim correctness. Kyoo was claiming the Spanish bailout was a failure based on one day's trading. So I predicted the next day the market would rebound. I was correct.

As much as that pains you, you cannot deny the evidence. It was a one-day prediction, not a prediction of how the market will react in six months or six years. I leave that to all you doomsters who are so convinced of the rightness of your positions, based on zero evidence, since we cannot easily verify the correctness of such long-term doomster porn.

Thank you for your foolish attack (you didn't even bother to determine the parameters of the argument before declaring it null).

Thank you for keeping Asoka as the center of attention on CFN. It does wonders for Asoka's ego to know you are still reading his posts and taking the time to respond.

Hope you are enjoying your retirement.

"However, as it is evident that you have no real life and you've certainly never had any humility OR integrity, you've almost single-handedly ruined this blog."
-E, to asoka.impediment-

Well said, E!
Can we almost hear the clapping together of electrons, like sub-atomic hands across the internet, from the posters who have left CFN due to asoka.disgust.

And one never has to wait long for a typical asoka.reply, does one?

"Thank you for keeping Asoka as the center of attention on CFN. It does wonders for Asoka's ego to know you are still reading his drivel..."
-asoka.hemorrhoids*-

CFN is now into its second week of excessively high asoka.infestation. I wonder why he does it.

*old joke, paraphrased.
Question:Why is asoka like a case of hemorrhoids?

Anwer: Because he's a pain in the ass and he never goes away.

HAW! HAW! HAW!

Interesting post Buck, thanks!

I wish you would elaborate on this phrase, and tell us what it means to you, deep-down:

"and the cream keeps on rising to the top:"

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And do you suppose Columbus was an Atheist, too?
That seems unlikely.
What do you think?

I wonder why he does it.

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Yes, you do.

I thought "YOU" and your carpet are one and the same, kind of like you and your thoughts.

I wish you would elaborate on this phrase, and tell us what it means to you, deep-down:

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P2C, the meaning was clear... perhaps disturbing to you, but clear.

I wish you would stop feigning stupidity to cover your racism.

I was kidding for fuck sakes.

I have no idea what you are referring to.

It's gonna be a long week.

AHA!! 'Shenanigans' has been called! that means it s time to bring out the REAL tools of social change: fuck the torches and pitchforks; EVERYONE grab yer broom and meet in South Park!

I responded that it would go back up today.

he uses "slippery eel" vocabulary:

"it could be argued"
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That's not correct Asoka. You DID NOT say the market "would" go back up [the next day], you said it "could" go back up. You used perfectly hedged language.

And then, BTW, you admitted that saying "could" is "slippery eel" vocabulary.

Wow....you mean Asoka is a chick? Liberals live in a dream world as do the neocons, somewhere in between lays reality as expoused by Ron Paul and the Libertarians. Anyone see that new cartoon making rounds on the internet? One side shows Martin Luther King "I have a dream", the other shows Obama "I have a drone". It's fucking hilarious. I am going to reopen my old facebook account with all the cool pics and jokes so you all can see what Detroit is really like. Coming soon

Hubris, indeed---Up against a wall! (a rewrite since the first didn't post)

E. you must have been reading Craig Paul Roberts who so eloquently in his latest post has described the US love affair with hubris throughout our history, but now we are back to a new cold war and that, my friends will put a real damper on the global neoliberal and neoconservative hegemony we have militarily and financially.

Since the leaks of the Stuxnet or Flame virus came out re: our sabotaging Iran's nuclear and oil functions, it came out in the forefront that Russia, China and Saudi Arabia want the internet to go from US control to under the auspices of the UN. There have been discussions since the winter, but now it's an open debate and we are scrambling to try to stop that.

Joe Scarborough of "the Americans are war weary" was suddenly yelling that Obama needs to get into the Syria game, now that Russia is in, so let's start up the music for the new Cold War--just like the old one using the middle east as a proxy while thirsting for dwindling resources. Welcome to the new dark ages, as I predicted in the late 1970's watching the US and Russia arming our proxies.
He (Joe) continued to say what I've always said about neoliberalism. That we're making the world safe for McDonald's, If we had handled the middle east right they'd all be eating McDonald's bacon cheeseburgers. Forget about the fact that Islamic people don't eat pig---oh that. Maybe when we're finished they'll all convert to Christianity.

Paul Craig Roberts finishes his post as follows:
[Alas, hubris returned to America with the neoconservative ascendency. Americans have become “the indispensable people.” Like the Jacobins of the French Revolution who intended to impose “liberty, equality, fraternity” upon all of Europe, Washington asserts the superiority of the American way and the right to impose it on the rest of the world. Hubris is in full flower despite its defeats. The “three week” Iraq war lasted eight years, and after 11 years the Taliban control more of Afghanistan than the “world’s only superpower.”
Sooner or later American hubris is going to run up against Russia and China, neither of which will give way. Either the US, like Napoleon and Hitler, will have its Russian (or Chinese) moment, or the world will go up in thermonuclear smoke.
The only solution for humanity is to immediately impeach and imprison warmongers when first sighted before their hubris leads us yet again into the death and destruction of war.]


Ozone said:
Quit yer belly-achin'! He'll be by with some patent nostrums so soothe our fevered brows and return us to the land of Morpheus. Won't that be nice?
JHK sez: "It's All Good!" (tm CFN)
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Since, virtually by INSPECTION of this blog's weekly flow of posts, the guy has no life and hardly ever gets out from behind his computer screen, how would he know that everything is hunky-dory in the real world?

Joe Stiglitz, a few days ago, said that the United States now has the POOREST SOCIAL MOBILITY and the GREATEST CLASS STRATIFICATION of any country in the entire industrialized world. Stiglitz is an economic Nobel Laureate who actually deserved the award.

Stiglitz came out with a battery of stats which showed that in the current incarnation of the USA, there is no "land of opportunity". It's now a myth. If you're born into the upper-middle or upper classes, you can be a total screw-up and you still won't lose your economic standing. If you are in the lower to middle classes, you could be a straight-A student but you're not going to move into the upper-middle or upper classes.

Effectively the USA has already become very close to a Banana Republic. Your station at birth and the connections (or lack thereof) that they imply guarantee continuity of status ... whether already low or already high or already in-between.

Asoka's "statistics" have, for years, been the very quintessence of cherrypicking and his omnipresence on this blog only makes his irritating, high-handed, pseudo-spirituality unavoidable. Asoka has become CFN's "800-pound gorilla in the living room" ... you have to scroll around so much of his stuff and the replies thereto that attempts to follow the threads of others get "drowned" in his stuff.

Monday, when I scrolled down past the early posters, the entire board was inundated with Asoka and those dumb enough to reinforce this dude. It's a major reason why, even with Mika's absence, the board is still hardly worth visiting.


E.


Vlad said:

Who won, Whites or Indians? And George Washington was White - our hero. Blacks don't root for White players btw, nor do Black kids ever wear the number or name of a White Player. And whose more racist again?
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Vlad, you've got to stop telling prima facie truths or you will be found out. :-) Your observation is as obvious as a fart in church but needs to be pointed out to the Rainbow Coalition herein. I would add to your point that it is very common for White guys to wear the jersey of a Black player. Very common.

Who's more racist? That's where the Rainbow Coalition will, in hackneyed fashion, brand Whites as racist while others are just exhibiting "tribal fraternity and solidarity". I still recall the public lovefest between BeantownBill and Mika with great amusement since it is also as obvious as a fart in church that Beantown would vehemently condemn any NON-JEW who'd threatened to physically beat another CFN member.

Beantown's consummate rationality mysteriously [sic] breaks down when the malfeasance of a member of his tribe is involved.


E.


P2C said:

CFN is now into its second week of excessively high asoka.infestation. I wonder why he does it.
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Because he doesn't have a healthy, normal existence with major hobbies, a coterie of friends, or significant distractions.

I've lost count of the number of days where this guy's first and last posts will be 8, 10, or even 12 hours apart with no significant breaks during his "vigil". It's simply quite impossible for him to have a normal existence when he's here most the of day, and on most days.


E.


Hi, BT. I'm sure you remember Dick Cheney's "The American way of life is not negotiable" bloviation. At this point, the idea that we're a playa in every country's game from other superpowers to the tiniest shitholes on earth gives one a similar feeling as having to laugh at a bad joke that's 30 years out of date. It's a nervous laugh done under compulsion.

In the lifetime of every empire, there is a time when its puffery is backed by real power. In the waning days of empires, they still have enough weapons to create a stink but the rest of the world holds meetings to form allliances which work AROUND the failing hegemon and issues press releases which simply and quietly announce the intention to go against the hegemon's most vehement assertions.

The rest of the world is simply humoring us.


E.

I was just nominated for an award. I don’t usually participate in that sort of thing but I realised that it was actually a vehicle to give kudos to blogs that were very important to me so I nominated your blog for “The Illuminating Blogger” award. If you want to participate you can, if you don’t feel free not to. I just wanted you to know that you have made a difference out here in the worldly ether and that someone waits for your posts with anticipation and truly appreciates your efforts to enlighten us . Here’s the link if you want to check it out but its not really about the award (which I suspect is to increase blog traffic to the awarders site to be honest…) its about being able to give you some kudos for your efforts
(http://foodstoriesblog.com/illuminating-blogger-award/).

You have periodic debt crises where debtors hit the wall en masse. The banks swoop down and take all their stuff via foreclosures, repos, garnishments, reduced social spending by the government, etc. There is a massive reset of the populace down the wealth scale and a corollary reset of the banks up the wealth scale. Eventually, the banks end up owning everything, and there is no blood left in the corpse. A number of things can happen in this end game. The population can be reduced to serfdom/slavery and held there by police state brutality. Over time, the poor lose all recollection of a better life, become defeated and hopeless and come to see constant predation by the wealthy as the way things are, always have been and ever shall be. Their bright hope for the future becomes a pallet and tarp shanty for their children to live in, as opposed to the cardboard and mud one they inhabit themselves. There can also be a bloody revolution where the wealthy are slaughtered by an underclass that has become bestial and bloodthirsty from constant, grinding impoverishment that they see, rightly, as having been imposed upon them by the overwhelming avarice of the wealthy. The best scenario would be a return to a rational money system where the government prints debt-free money and spends it into the economy for the benefit of all. Even if this happens, however, the banks keep working until the parasitic debt-based model is once again foisted upon the populace against their will. Historically, all of the above happen, respectively.

Right now, Europe is being looted by the bankers. There is no real debt there to worry about and there are ways to write off the debt where no one is forced to sell their children to survive. If we were to discuss such options, however, the ability of the banks to extract things of value in exchange for paper money that they print for free would be compromised. This will never be allowed. Any politician who discusses it will die mysteriously in some kind of crash.

lol Prog,

My comment was an attempt to fan the flames if you will...to draw Vlad's ire since he is always going on and on about racial IQ differences. He didn't bite but then again he's probably busy licking his wounds in the aftermath of the thrashing he received from Dale and Turkle.

Truth be told, I take very little of what I write here seriously and I hope nobody else does either (Which I am sure they don't :)

And the comment to which I was responding would be:


"Most (of us) know the sad state of our state. However, not a single place have I seen the WHY of how we got here.

"so I'll supply the why:

"A debt based monetary system (which is what we got) is designed/doomed to fail. Works great as long as the lice have the means to borrow money as that is the only way new money gets into the system (excluding QE). Even the government is forced to borrow it's own money!!! It's a ponzi scheme. New money carries the seeds of our destruction as more debt is created with every dollar borrowed into existence.

"There is no way out. The end is assured. Destruction of debt money as a monetary system.

"How that gets done is still a mystery... probably won't be good."

Thank's for the thoughtful reply Laura, after weeks of deliberation I finally called the police about a month and a half ago and within a week they had a warrant and went in and looked around. Apparantly they didn't find anything but they are still all over this place because there has been a rash of burglarys. Three of them have burglary, aggravated assault and armed robbery records.

I suspect they are cutting up lithium batteries down there and cooking at the place where they work. They work at a shady looking shop downtown that apparantly sells thousands of dollars per week in large wheels to professional basketball players called Dubz.

I saw the shop they work at when one of them replaced the brakes on my car for $50. There is a large shop in the back with a paint booth and 3-4 old cars with crappy paint jobs.

Here is a youtube video of the shop but I didn't see any "cool" cars when getting my brakes fixed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7rYJ0-ZuLw

That's an old rumour but I don't believe it's ever been confirmed. But it's possible - remember that Catholics are not against Jews as an ethne but only as a religion. Torquemada the great prosecutor of the Inquisition was part Jewish. When the the King and Queen were given a massive bribe by the Jews and about to relent in their expulsion order, Torquemada rushed in and threw his crucifix down on the pile of gold crying, There, you have betrayed Christ again. The King and Queen relented and expelled the Jews from Spain. They went to the Netherlands and proceeded to ruin them and from there to England, where they ruined them.

In any case, Colombus wasn't very nice to the Indians in general. Nor was the Spanish Empire as a whole. So, the Jews aren't to blame for the treatment of the Indians down there. Later on when they gained access to the American Colonies via England, they got control of much of the slave trade.

There is alot of blame to go around to be sure. I don't see much Christianity in the conquest of the New World. Now we can't forgive ourselves while the Jews have never blamed themselves for anything.

That's what we call the calculus of change.
Any country that destroys it's industrial base and refuses to turn the ship when they see it's a disaster is in self-destructo mode.

Note to leadership: Words are not magic!

I think TPTB in the U.S. believe that the U.S. is embarking on a new industrial era with all of the abundant NatGas that is being produced here. The idea is that NG costs are equivalent to $10-12 a barrel crude oil and the costs are much higher in China.

They believe that the U.S. can simply return to it's industrial base and that whatever happens in China or Europe doesn't matter. These are usually the same types that are calling for a crash in China.

I doubt that NG is nearly abundant as is widely advertised. The oil and gas business isn't really having any problems getting financing even with record low prices. I think the low prices are at least partly attributable to NG being storable and the lower the price the lower the production costs with royalties, mineral rights, etc.

Truth be told, I take very little of what I write here seriously and I hope nobody else does either (Which I am sure they don't :)

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Ditto, here.

I don't post very much and when I do it is all in fun, not to be taken seriously. :)

MM, the cartoon you mentioned can be seen here, for example.

MM, the cartoon you mentioned can be seen here, for example.

Ditto, here.

I don't post very much .............Assoka

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WTF??? REALLY???

I think that the USA will be outrun by events. And I think that these events will expose the USA's financial and economic hollowness.

There's apparently a major tussle developing over the South China Sea between the locals in that neck of the woods especially China and Vietnam. There's apparently many trillions of cubic feet of natural gas buried under them thar waters and something north of a hundred billion barrels of oil according to one article I read.

Also of major importance is the shipping through the South China Sea and through several local choke points which see major movements of energy supplies for Japan and Korea to name just two players that have a major interest in those seas.

So of what importance will an industrially enfeebled (and therefore as a consequence a militarily and financially enfeebled) USA be in that area? Some countries like Vietnam may want the USA by their side as a counter to China's massive weight. But I think that as things unfold in that area the weakness of the USA will be ever more evident.

Of what importance will the USA be in the civil war unfolding in Syria? I don't see that the US is in a position to move the needle in Syria without futher debilitating itself both financially and militarily. When I read the different takes on that mess by a wide variety of pundits it's tough to figure what the US has to gain through siding with either Assad or his enemies.

My understanding is that Russia wants Assad Junior to stay in power for the sake of Syria carrying through on major arms purchases. No Assad means no payment of Russian invoices. I don't know why China would give a shit one way or the other what gang of cut-throats is in power. They'll do business with whatever devil wears the crown.

Yes, please do.
Have you seen the 'dreams of my real father' photo comparisons, thought provoking.

Asoka you liken to a 'termite' infesting a sane discussion of 'Peak Everything'. Good analogy.

Years ago here he had a 'Dont worry, things are good, Apple Corp has record profits'.
Pretzel logic.

They work at a shady looking shop downtown that apparantly sells thousands of dollars per week in large wheels to professional basketball players called Dubz.
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Whew! What sentence structure!

Which is called Dubz?:
. the shady looking shop?
. the large wheels?
or
. the pro basketball players?

Yes, my writing and sentence structure often results in poor communication.

House of Dubz is the name of the shop. sorry

My writing is better on sites that have an edit button. Some sites give you the chance to edit as long as there has not been a reply.

Whew! What sentence structure!

Which is called Dubz?:
. the shady looking shop?
. the large wheels?
or
. the pro basketball players?

It could have been a good story except I left out many important details. I did notice the sentence structure and the Dubz confusion but was too lazy to fix it.

Whenever I explain something to my son in that manner he just say's, "cool story bro" and walks away.

Come on! you guys are going to have to pick up the crazy pace, or its going to be tough to pick a "goon from the moon" award winner next week.

Vlad, I'm counting on you to make at least a hundred pointless comments on differences you've detected between ethnic groups, that no one else in their right mind has ever noted, or cares two cents about.

Where's WSP7, he's got that special edge of malice I find so heart warming?

Asoka, don't loss faith, It should give you pause that you do have one thing in common with Vlad, you both take yourselves WAY to seriously.

Anti-soak, I'm giving you a quota of 10 references to "things you've heard" (while holding a seashell to your ear perhaps) that common sense would quickly determine are completely impossible and are well.....just batshit crazy.

Michigan Native, I think real optimism from you would be an utter mind fuck to everyone else here, please try.

Scott, come on, what else can you find in your apartment building?

Keyrist, I never thought I'd have to see the day I'd have to cheerlead nuttiness at CFN.

dale, you are doing a good job bringing some levity to the deadly serious overshoot predictions, the economic collapse scenarios, and the apocalyptic doomer drivel of the anti-cargo cult crowd. The predictions just keep coming, as they have for the last seven years. Maybe next Tuesday at two.

I no longer care if I win the award. I'm just having fun and enjoying ozone's and Q.'s and E.'s and antisoak's posts immensely.

OH...and asoka, your assignment is to drag your lazy ass down to a cantina in the nearest town, have a couple of beers, and get into a conversation with a local señorita. Report back.

Obama Appointed Elizabeth Warren

If she were on the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee and given an opportunity to question Dimon, Warren, the woman behind the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, told HuffPost that she would keep it simple.

"Do you get what is wrong? Do you get why people are mad?" she said she would ask Dimon. She would also challenge him on why it's legitimate for him to hold a seat on the board of the New York Federal Reserve Bank: "Will you resign from the New York Fed?"

The New York Fed allows private bankers to sit on its board, even while it crafts bank policy and puts together financial industry bailouts.

"There's a conflict of interest here. You serve two masters. You can't draw this extraordinary salary from JPMorgan Chase and, at the same time, say, 'Oh, I'm out here acting in the public interest.' You can't do both," Warren said she'd tell Dimon.

"He says he wants to take responsibility. Then show some responsibility. Show you get it. Putting Wall Street bankers on the Federal Reserve Board is like finding the guys who torched the entire town and putting them on the fire advisory board. It makes no sense," she added.

No can do. Mrs. Asoka has priority and she is my senorita. She keeps me busy when I'm not fulfilling my contract to post on CFN.

Scott
The natural gas bonanza is being hyped for a lot of reasons and it works to keep that ole positive attitude going. What even more bizarre is how they say we're going to have 10% growth with that and by 2030.....
So far away how can you refute it?

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The whole Syria thing is what leads to bigger confrontations with Russia and Iran.

In the meantime.. [French nuclear giant Areva said on Tuesday it has discovered more than 20,000 tons of uranium in Jordan, which is trying to develop atomic energy to meet its growing needs.....

....A consortium formed by Areva and Japan's Mitsubishi is competing with Russia's Atomstroyexport to build Jordan first nuclear plant.]

Another double standard at work....

How come I didn't make the list, you insensitive clod?!

No can do. Mrs. Asoka has priority and she is my senorita. She keeps me busy when I'm not fulfilling my contract to post on CFN.
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Well, then the two of you need to get down to that cantina and report back

Like all bullies and psychopaths, when called on your abuse you resort to "I was just kidding - can't you take a joke"? Not buying it. You viciously mocked someone who had lost their job, a possible death sentence now.

Sorry turkle,
I'm expecting at least one moralistic rant on how we simply must stop clocks around the world and live in a "balance with nature" that has never existed. Perhaps, you can circulate a petition to have T-Rex put on the endangered species act.

What am I thinking, you're the last guy around here who needs to have his imagination stimulated.

dale, I appreciate your interest, but I don't drink. A cantina is not the best place for me.

Oh....one last thing....by a show of hands, how many people think God considers Vlad his co-pilot? ..............................................(chirp, chirp) (chirp, chirp) .............................................................................................................................................................................That's what I thought.

BTW Vlad, what's with beginning your posts with phrases like "quite true, quite true" Who are you Peabody now? Where's your little dog, what's his name.....Sherman?

When are you going to get over the fact Oxford didn't appoint you professor of "White Studies" because your the only white racist who can read.

Don't matter how much happy-talk you try and slather onto it, it doesn't make this burnt breast of beast any more palatable...

"The €100 billion for Spain agreed on last weekend evaporated in two days. 18 Spanish banks were downgraded this week, and Spain's 10 year bonds are at 6.69% as we speak, reflecting, among other things, that the Spanish government, re: - future - population, is on the hook for that €100 billion. 6.69% is close enough to the 7% threshold that it effectively means Spain has no access to the markets. In the same way, Italy's 10-year 6.20% is a big red alarm flag, and Italy today paid 3.79% for €6.5 billion in 1-year debt, up from 2.34% last month, a 62% raise." -Ilargi

Cloacal finances' outcome; sounds peachy keen!

MORE details on the shit sammich filling. (But it doesn't really matter 'cause of that Jubilee thing that's coming, along with Cheesis and the Crapsure.) Happy Happy, Joy Joy! Hey Boys and Girls, It's yer old pal, Stinky Wizzelteeth!

http://theautomaticearth.com/Finance/autoimmune-finance-the-system-attacks-itself.html

Let's not forget to get Happy while we're at it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ0BQUufUpE&feature=related


Maybe you ought to start drinking. You know what they say. A man who doesn't drink has nothing to say worth hearing. I man that has too much to say says a lot about nothing. Quite true, quite true. So which one are you? My guess is that you're just a smidgen of both.

That makes you a jape and a clown.

Just for you bitches who didn't know, this last week, June 10th, was Judy Garland's 90th birthday. Her "Over the Rainbow" would be a good summary of all the b.s. that our dear Assoka sprouts. Like little stalks rising up out of cow shit.

Ironically, CFN's "Tripp" has a good use of the aforementioned in his blog, "Small Batch". Some of the long missing CFN'ers can be found posting there, including LB, Lewis, and...I think but am not sure, Wage.

If the birds, crickets, and beast of the field are my only allies, I'll take them. When Rama built his bridge to Lanka, all the animals chipped in - even the small ones. All of Nature supports the righteous man. Like Ravana, you are a "whirlpool in the river of life". You make yourself the center instead of letting God be. Damn you.

Anti-soak, I'm giving you a quota of 10 references to "things you've heard" (while holding a seashell to your ear perhaps) that common sense would quickly determine are completely impossible and are well.....just batshit crazy. -dale

I dated a girl once who had a conch shell tattoed on the inside of her upper thigh--if you put your ear up to it you could smell the ocean.

Who cares about that fag shit? But thanks for the whereabouts of Lucan and Wage. How dare they hide from me when I was walking in the Garden? If they were naked and unafraid it would be one thing. But their guilt is so evident that their fig leafs (not leaves in this case, persons is a valid word with connotations that people cannot cover) cannot cover their nakedness.

The Russian support of Syria is analogous to our's of South Vietnam. Our role is analogous to Russia's last time or China's in the Korean conflict.

You been drinkin again, haven't ya, dad? Please, for chrisakes, put down the Bourbon bottle. You told Mammaw you'd quit. She's getting tired of you living in her basement these past eleven years. I guess she wouldn't mind so much if you'd be paying rent but you're unemployment ran out a long time ago. You're disability claims have been repeatedly denied. Please dad, Burger King is hiring. They'll give you your old job back. You can do it Dad. Just say "Would you like to supersize that?" a couple of times. Just think dad, you and me, working at the local "Home of the Whopper". I'm already a cinch for getting a job as a cashier. Just say the word and I'll put in a good word for you. I really think they want you back.

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If they were naked and unafraid it would be one thing. But their guilt is so evident that their fig leafs (not leaves in this case, persons is a valid word with connotations that people cannot cover) cannot cover their nakedness.*****
Dad

Wow! You sound an awful lot like that couch from Penn State who is on trial for rape on boys. For shame! You communist bastard! Get a job, dammit! Stop mooching off Mammaw!

He's both! But a clown appears to be glad when really he's sad, when life's gone and hurt him so bad. But you know their are sad things known to men, but not too much more than.... the tears of a clown, when theres no one around.

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Ironically, CFN's "Tripp" has a good use of the aforementioned in his blog, "Small Batch". Some of the long missing CFN'ers can be found posting there, including LB, Lewis, and...I think but am not sure, Wage.

I've been here off and on since I think 2003 and there have been alot of good writers gone from here in that time. Originally, I came here because I was interested in PO but eventually stayed lurking here because all of the great writers that posted comments to Jim's weekly essays. Every great exodus of posters has occurred following an incessant deluge of bullshit posts by some new poster.

You're a hater Zone, just like the Russian Communists who burned churches and shot Priests and Monks in the head. Admit it. Get it off your chest. And then tell us why. Was it the scratchy shirt your parents make you wear every Sunday. Oh Dude, I know it, I feel your pain.

And you want to drink those tears, don't you you gay demon?

Shithead!! What a liar! I moved out six weeks ago.
I should have left years ago...

Mrs. Soake

And you wont give your old dad a lousy free burger that you would give to a stray dog. Son, I want to kill you.

What did the beast do to you, dear?

You sound an awful lot like that couch from Penn State
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Penn State: home of the world's only talking furniture.

Well, in secret, he has been trying to bring in a few extry buckaroos with some acting work.
Here is some evidence.
You'll recognize little laddie lederhosen playing the breadwinner coming home after a long day at the office.
I think he hits just the right note of distress upon finding his opera lp's have been besmirched with bubble gum.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wW6rENTfaU&feature=related

(After the shoot he was allowed to bring home those lederhosen worn by Cousin Sven. I'm sure you've noticed them being proudly worn about "das hause" these days. Don't let him fool you though, the brownshirt uniform went to the pawnshop, not the cleaners.)

In TLE, JHK says nowhere in USA are shoes made in large quantity. [Like 300 million pair a year].

I see on page 1 of LA Times Business section the powers that be are trying to remove Smoot Hawly.
Those dang tariffs on shoes, if they do will any shoes be made in USA?

Will Adelson give Mitt 100 Million?
Remember all of Mitts FA are dual citizens.

Adelson, Gingrich, and the Selling of America by Justin Raimondo ...
original.antiwar.com
Jan 24, 2012 – Adelson is a major financial backer of Israel's ultra-nationalist Likud party,

Even without a 'spectacular dieoff' 70 million to 120 million die off each year.

Alan Keyes: a great Black Man with a spirit like unto the Fathers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGwIyF2Imbk

Ya Rhino, wouldn't that be something if we got involved in that South China sea dispute between China and Vietnam ... and we sided with Vietnam? What a turn of events! I believe a US Naval vessel made a port of call visit to Vietnam not long ago, and Secretary Panetta was there just recently. It starting to make sense.

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Just so you know, LB is now BEINGTHERE in my present incarnation.
In terms of the Nat gas goes, I have said numerous times on this blog and to JHK that if the media would allow counter opinions on TV and in the NYTimes, we would have a reasonable debate on what we really have in terms of resources to power this enterprise, but we are only getting the fantasy of keeping this thing going, if only we will allow for non-stop drilling, the destruction of our environment and no regulations!
I'm looking forward to reading JHK's new book, which will be out soon.

Well said, E. I grow tired of scrolling past reams of Asoka's banal banter. Blech. I thought he was going to build some adobe hut somewhere and keep busy. If so, why is he posting here as if he has nothing else to do?

BeanTownBill,
I'm also wondering if you ever addressed Prog's comments about the "to the death."

I thought Mica/Met made some horrible threats of violence and wondered why you condoned them. You seem like such a nice guy. I love the way you defend women and cats. But I was disappointed that you actually supported Met's violent spew.

Just curious.

"In terms of the Nat gas goes, I have said numerous times on this blog and to JHK that if the media would allow counter opinions on TV and in the NYTimes, we would have a reasonable debate on what we really have in terms of resources to power this enterprise, but we are only getting the fantasy of keeping this thing going, if only we will allow for non-stop drilling, the destruction of our environment and no regulations!"-beingthere

There will never be a reasonable debate on what we really have in terms of resources or ever an official announcement of any peak in resources.

If there was an acceptance of any critical resource having peaked then that would be an admission that our money is no longer any good because our money is debt money. The only thing that makes a strictly fiat currency "money" is confidence.

That confidence is derived from an expectation of extrapolating the past 150 years of persistent economic growth into the future. The past 150 years of persistent economic growth is an anomoly in contrast to the rest of human civilization.

If we are forced to accept that the past 150 years of persistent economic growth was merely a, "bubble" that was created by an abundance of oil, coal and NG and that bubble is now deflating, then our confidence in extrapolating debt indefinitely into the future would be shredded.

BTW, the status quo does not believe crude oil, coal and NG has much to do with the past 150 years of persistent economic growth. Authorities will say the past 150 years of persistent economic growth is entirely attributable to our greater understanding of economics.

I dated a girl once who had a conch shell tattoed on the inside of her upper thigh--if you put your ear up to it you could smell the ocean.
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Was that the ocean or just the scrimp boats you were smelling.

My understanding of Vietnam is that once it was determined that the technology of that time could not recover oil cheaply enough, the "conflict" become the proving ground for modern era weapons systems. As for Syria, I believe that because the only reason for the US to become involved is humanitarian, we're going to pass on it because it is taking all available resources to hold the important staging areas of Iraq and Afghanistan. Make no mistake, we are at war with Iran RIGHT NOW.

And yes, I loathe and despise your racist bullshit, but, god dammit, you don't let people change your point of view for trivial reasons. Last night I saw an episode of Morgan Freeman's "Through the Wormhole" where the topic was the notion of a superior race of humans. Most of it was dedicated to an understanding of this notion at the genetic level. I know it's just a TV show, but it's a good starting point for people that want a deeper understanding of the genetic differences between the races.

I am in Indiana right now dealing with some pretty messy family shit, so my heart isn't really in it this week. You would still be well advised to put your broadsword to the sharpening wheel. I'm coming for you Vlad. Ya know I am.

Ya Rhino, wouldn't that be something if we got involved in that South China sea dispute between China and Vietnam ... and we sided with Vietnam? What a turn of events!
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Yup....makes me want to strap on the 'ol body armor, and lock and load. Still got my blood type tattooed to my leg, gettin' a little blurry now though. I can't even remember what Napalm smells like in the morning anymore. When's the last time you had a hard on.

Was that the ocean or just the scrimp boats you were smelling.

More like the shithouse door on a tuna fish boat.

Mmmmmm.....tuna. Gaffing hook at the ready.

Was that the ocean or just the scrimp boats you were smelling.

More like the shithouse door on a tuna fish boat.
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Yikes! that could be kinda deflating.

Reminds me of the Elvis Costello song "Two Little Hitlers" where the implied object of affection was an inflatible doll:

I thought I'd let you down, dear
But you were just deflating

dale, I appreciate your interest, but I don't drink. A cantina is not the best place for me.
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Well, how about you just report back on something we need to know about Ecuador that you and the misses enjoy?

reminded me of that old Dan Hicks song:

"How can I miss you when you won't go away, you keep staying day after day."

Vald, you listening?

"Well, how about you just report back on something we need to know about Ecuador that you and the misses enjoy?"

Or maybe something that you and the missus DON'T enjoy that is relevant to this blog. I'm thinking the current state of the Conoco-Phillips disaster.

The real price of not taxing.

We have a global system that is essentially knocking the idea of sovereignty out for good. I have brought up on numerous occasions that the neoliberal globalization process takes many steps.
First to hire low-wage third worlders to help lower expectations for wages.
Then you start smashing the unions, then you destroy your manufacturing base---you know the crux of your economy.

You tell the folks that isn't it wonderful-you just fired the bottom third of your middle class so you can get cheap goods.

Of course what goes with that again is lower incomes slowly, ever so slowly, the people hardly notice, yet you too can use your house as a cash machine to keep up with the appearance of maintaining your middle class status.

OK the rich keep getting their taxes slashed for the illusion of economic growth, that unfortunately goes abroad.

Now we're going to the final stage, folks. Because of "globalism" Obama has bought into the Thomas (& Milton) Friedman paradigm. Thom Hartmann says that Obama is working out deals for foreign nationals to come here to set-up shop and hire Americans. The way the laws work here is that American companies must comply with our laws, but not foreign entities. That mean none of the regulations that we adhere to apply and they can trash our environment at will.

Next stop Matt Taibbi! Today on his blog on the Rolling Stone mag. site he discusses those Sovereign wealth funds that bought parking meter rights for 75 years. Matt will describe the new Bloomberg deal for nearly 90,000 parking meters on a the quicky deal that brings in fast money to offset the cities fiscal problems. It won't last long and the rich folks in Dubai want a guarenteed money stream.

Now wouldn't it be better to tax the rich and keep your infrastructure intact? I ask you.

You guys are hypocrites ... Posting about scrimp boats, tuna boats, gadding hooks, and hard ons.

Then complaining that Asoka's posts are not "relevant to the blog"

Blacks are always unfairly held to a higher standard.

the scrimp boats

the misses
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Whew!

I couldn't think up shit like this if I tried.

Hi Senneth, I agree with your sentiments. I got tired of Asoka deliberately misunderstanding me. But after awhile I just stopped reading peoples posts because avoiding Asoka's posts are tantamount to picking your way through a yard full of dogshit. I stop by about once a week now, and that's enough. It's too bad, because I have gotten useful information here many times, but its too much trouble picking the fly shit out of the pepper.

Scrimp boat definition?

A boat for which one must scrimp and save.

Giant scrimp

Butterfly scrimp

Fried scrimp

Scrimp salad

Scrimp with hot sauce on a bed of ice

Oh, how I love scrimp...almost as much as I love the misses.

Don't you ever get tired of that high yellow? They've make him out to be some kind of God. You aren't going to hear the truth from the likes of him. Like Bill Crosby, he seems to be reasonable and fair - but he'll play the race card in a heartbeat if opposed.

Quite right on Syria - just a way to attack Iran. We'll be arming the Al Quaedas again just like in Egypt and Libya. These people are savages - all of them. Why discriminate - just leave them all alone.

So you are saying keep the third worlders out right? Impose tariffs to protect our industries. (Oh No! "Protectionism"! The stupidity of human beings is shown by this inane term) I mean are you beging to repent of Liberalism? And realize that the Nation State is thee great Guarantor of Human Freedom - at least in the modern West? As you know, modern Liberalism thinks all patriotism and nationalism as Fascism. You people have been programmed to the max. Glad you starting to wake up.

I asked Dale to give more information about the plot to sell part of Idaho to China. He ignored me. He is in favor of anything that will weaken America since as a Liberal, to him all Nations are Fascistic, especially America.

You need to read the Scrimptures.

We're all curious Senn. We await with bated breath.

Steamed scrimp dumplings...

Let you heart expand Zone. Don't be a grinch. You hate Welles because he's a human being who has escaped the wretchedness you're stuck in. If YOU escaped, you wouldn't give a shit about the folks back home. But he's not like that, not like you.

yeah I've never understood the 'don't give a shit' attitude, it's still neighborly to help out others if you can, not just disappear cuz you struck it rich and everyone else can go to Hades.

That'd be a typical american attitude, pervades that society.


peace peaceniks

Who is Bill Crosby? David's square brother.

Now wouldn't it be better to tax the rich and keep your infrastructure intact? I ask you. - BT

OK I'll tell you... IMO the game is about up. But you should tax the crap out of the rich for no reason other than pure spite and maybe as a small measure of recompense for the damage they've caused.

Once in a while I see faces on the TV like Paul Ryan who unblinkingly tells me in his self assured and clear eyed manner that you can't tax "job creators".

And I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I can't believe that he really thinks that the current crop of kleptos and offshorers that man the upper echelons (and lower echelons) of the business world are really "job creators". At least in any meaningful sense or the word at least in the US. Maybe they are in Chinese crapholes where they work people half to death for the princely sum of maybe a buck an hour.

So maybe Paul Ryan really doesn't believe this tripe about "job creators". So is his agenda then to economically spavine America? Because, to anyone who's been around for a while, that's what happening. Places like Detroit and Buffalo are prominent and obvious examples of the economic necrosis that's eating America and its people.

Or maybe Paul Ryan and his ilk really, truly believe in the course that America is on with its shrinking industrial base and shrinking middle class and inceasingly impoverished, messed up and marginalized Black population. And what to do with an increasing Hispanic population, both legal and illegal, that doesn't seem to be faring much better than Black folk and whose prospects also vanished with the jobs that got offshored? Sad commentary on the state of American leadership.

One world, grouch? Ruled by One too? So much for democracy.

Oh sorry: Cos not Cros

Poor Q! Your getting quit the workout from this weeks' posting's. Your grammatcarial corrections our not lost on me, god's nose. Thanks for all you due.

Seriously though maybe you should think about approuching Jim to be a sort of grammar tech guy/editor - you know - the trolls (chinese guy @@@**?**8 bullshit! ) Jeez, we need some kind of control hear, ya know?

Charles Hugh Smith's latest was talking about not taxing the rich but making a distinction between the parsites that skim off the system and those who add real value to the system. He says Mit Romney and the like should be taxed at 99%.

"This distinction between legitimate wealth derived from value creation (think Steve Jobs/computer industry) and parasitic wealth skimmed from the productive (think Mitt Romney/investment banker) is the heart of Correspondent James B.'s insightful inquiry into the question: can the parasitic Elite be said to pay taxes at all, given that their income is itself a tax on legitimate wealth creation?"

http://www.oftwominds.com/blogjune12/parasitic-elite-taxes6-12.html

Nice to have Grouchy back! Swell old broad. Always has a good spin on the hear and know (that's for you, Q).

Vlad I've been saying the same thing about this globalism scourge for the 2.5 years I've been posting here.

I'm still a progressive and I have no problem with people of different backgrounds--it's the policy for what it's doing that I am against.

I never said I agreed with Mika's comments about violence. As I remember, I said something to the effect that I understood why he felt like he did, and that I would support that (his feelings) to the death, as I have been the victim of anti-semitism in the past. Or at least, that's what I meant to say - I woud fight to the death in behalf of anyone suffering from discrimination, particularly anti-semitism. I got a horrific response to my post from certain people, and when I tried to explain myself, things only got more vociferous, so I put the whole thing to bed. I'm only answering you because you asked so nicely.

If you read the replies tomy post back then, you sawhow nasty they were.

Paul Ryan is all about the privatization of the commons agenda.

These people are savages - all of them. Why discriminate - just leave them all alone.

We should not "just leave them all alone" ... we should go out of our way to talk to them, to be friends with them, to help them in any way we can.

We should do this just after we unilaterally disarm our nation, so they know we have no intention to harm them.

They are our brothers and sisters. We should extend love to them in any way we can. They are part of our family.

All of the human family deserves our respect (non-human as well; don't eat animals, love them).

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People from "different backgrounds" are here because of globalism. They are here to replace us. Choose: life or death, them or us. The only way we can compete with them is by becoming coolies with 5 kids ourselves. And who will pay for that?

Life is competition - to the death in the realm of nature. By lowering our borders and dissolving the Nation - we have reverted to a rude state on Nature beneath the dignity of Man.


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Haven't you heard of scrimp, very small shrimp. I gotta keep educatin' y'all.

'Your getting quit '
You are getting quite

I asked Dale to give more information about the plot to sell part of Idaho to China. He ignored me.
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Yeah....imagine my passing up the opportunity to comment on topics you are obsessing about in your paranoid little fantasy world. Dream on Klingon.

I get it, you be trippin' on all the scrimps up in dis motha fucka'

Chinese dude ain't no scrimp... just think what he/she has to do to post a comment here. Some basic code but still...

That's so Gay. Nor is it true to your usual song that we are morally depraved. Now you'e saying we are morally superior and should be guiding people. No doubt you will talk differenly once Romney is in office.

Charlie,
Izzat the fabled breadcrumb trail?
(Good idea, if so.)

My ancestors were brought to America on scrimp boats.

knock it off with the bait scrimps...

"Run, Fo'rayst, ruuuuuuun!

Nor is it true to your usual song that we are morally depraved

Whites are no more morally-depraved than anyone else.

But those particular whites who decided to drop atomic bombs on two cities in Japan and murder men, women, and children indiscriminately were morally-challenged.

Stop taking the scrimp bait, scrimp.

dude... thats the same webpage chinese dude links to... uh...

http://www.airjordancchaussure.com/

google translate the first and third paragraphs.

The 'race replacement' agenda.

scott, anyone who is bilingual and fluent knows the Google translator is not accurate.

I'm neither bilingual or fluent but am capable of deciphering codes and can clearly see that the google translator isn't perfect but you don't have to be a secret squirrel to fill in the gaps.

"shitting money"

"vomiting bonds"

Makes me glad I already ate dinner.

In the spirit of the new movie "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Slayer." I hearby charge Kyooshtik with the title:

Kyooshtik: Syntax Superman!!! All hail to the God of Grammar--who has taught me a thing or two about spelling.

And while I'm at it, I San Jose Mom, the Minivan Menace, declare the following:

Eleuthero: The Duke of Discernment
James H. Kunstler: The Dakini of Doom

And..

Vlad Krandz: The Slapper of Squaws
Asoka: The Wikipedia Wanker

And....

Mitt Romney: Insomnia Slayer
Barack Obama: Oracle of Obfuscation

Read it and weep.
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yeah, due to my short-term...uh...something something, i find it much easier to keep in mind than some key word or phrase...menu-- 'find on page' (thnx again to prog) vastly reduces thumb-scroll fatigue

...i was told that that word (squaw) is a grave insult, in that it was basically the c-word (don t like to write it, either!) for natives until europeans arrived and understood the term to refer to the entire woman...just so you know, and grain of salt etc, but the girl who said it sure believed it...

"Then complaining that Asoka's posts are not "relevant to the blog"

It wasn't a complaint. IF you really are in Ecuador, I really would like to read about how the environmental damage from the oil drilling is currently affecting life there.

Nothing illustrates the concept of "hearing what you want to hear" more than reading something on a blog.

"Don't you ever get tired of that high yellow?"

This is your response? I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Bizarre even for you.

Uh, oh waiter! I'll have the scimp scampi, ala Assoka, please!

you are currently logged in to facebook. would you like to login to the network?,franklin marshall

OK. I see that I'm going to need a joint and a shot of Johnnie Walker before I jump into this mess. But first, a dedication to the High Yella Vlad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWNhq0dDr5I

Uh, oh waiter! I'll have the scimp scampi, ala Assoka, please!

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That made me laugh! Thank you!

I love how we are all such good friends on CFN and are so playful with one another.

Thanks to dale for changing the heavy tone to a lighter banter.

Personally I love the idea of leela, of dancing and laughing and enjoying each moment until the Black Swan / extinction event / apocalypse / [insert here your favorite doom scenario] arrives.

The best revenge is living well.

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    British 6-year-old little girl, Molly, recently presided over the opening ceremony for her candy store, she has become Britain's youngest entrepreneurs.  Beaded Dress
    Molly lived in Wales Ayutthaya Wells Pu, she loves shopping. Morley found no local candy store, so with her mother to discuss the creation of a candy store, which specialized in the United Kingdom, the United States, candy and ice cream. Morley will be asking the students to try to eat, and then decided to shop to sell what sugar, Molly's mother said the girl is very dedicated to school Monday to Friday and Saturday will be one of the store sits all day Sunday is got up at 5:00 in the morning to the Birmingham stock. 
    Molly is very business-minded, every store has a thermometer, a drop of temperature, and ice cream will be discounted.
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I love how we are all such good friends on CFN and are so playful with one another.

yeeahhh...me too. thats what I love about clusterfuck nation--the playful banter

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Uh, oh waiter! I'll have the scimp scampi, ala Assoka, please!

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That made me laugh! Thank you!

I love how we are all such good friends on CFN and are so playful with one another.

Thanks to dale for changing the heavy tone to a lighter banter.

Personally I love the idea of leela, of dancing and laughing and enjoying each moment until the Black Swan / extinction event / apocalypse / [insert here your favorite doom scenario] arrives.

The best revenge is living well.

Our host is playful with us each week, treating us to a metaphor-filled treat that often makes us laugh.

JHK is in on the joke:

Fellow lice: America was once a great body to live on, six-foot-three, mounted on a white steed, a sword on the hip, resolute and brave. Look at us now! See how we are!

We are hilarious!

When death comes, take its hands and dance with it into the unknown ... resolute and brave!

The best revenge is living well.

With whom are you vengeful in the past tense?

Uh, oh waiter! I'll have the scimp scampi, ala Assoka, please!
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Another fuck up!!

It's scrimp, not scimp!

I brought this up many moons ago but...

have you ever noticed that Texans pronounce shrimp as srimp.

Does anyone have a theory why? I'm at a friggin loss.

Correction:

as srimp?

Q., I love the way you are playing along with us, pretending to care about grammar, spelling, and punctuation.

I am tickled by your posts, especially when you incorporate errors into posts that are supposedly correcting errors!

What a fine-tuned sense of humor you have! Just like JHK!

This is the closest Dale can come to an apology that he either didn't know or he pretended not to. I lean towards the latter - I think Dale prefers keeping things to himself if he can slander someone instead.

Dale: I know you're not capable of apology to anyone else. But perhaps you should apology to yourself - if you can.

I sense that old B has no problem with the Demoratic Aspects of Globalism but only the Corporate or Republican. Millions stream over our borders? Divine Diversity - and new clients for bureacrats to serve (and rule) an Votes for Democrat rabble rousers.

Do you practice laughing in front of the mirror? Or are you still at the stage of needing "aids" like old comedies like Laurel and Hardy or The Jeffersons?

Excellent question, Vlad!

I do practice in front of a mirror. I make faces and then start laughing out loud at how ridiculous I am. It is a form of yoga practice called hasya yoga and anyone can do it, with or without a mirror.

"Yoga" means "union" (between the left and right brain, the masculine and the feminine, the mind and the body) and aims to create balance & harmony in all aspect of human life. Hasya Yoga shares the same goal.

Laughter puts us intensely in the moment. The ability to fully live and experience the “now” is of utmost importance because it is the only moment where we can experience happiness.

Yoga teaches that the mind and body mirror one another and that the breath is the link between the two. In Hasya Yoga, "Laughter" is used as a form of breath work and an excuse to breathe deeper into the abdomen. It gently expands the lung capacity by increasing abdominal breathing.

It effectively flushes the 2/3 of "stale air" that most people unknowingly keep inside. Repeated practice teaches one to become more and more consciously aware of his/her own breathing pattern, bringing one into the fearless, trusting and loving "here" and "now".

Thanks for your question, Vlad!

"A merry heart doeth good like a medicine." -- Proverbs 17:22

"God has a smile on His face." -- Psalm 42:5

"He that is of a merry heart has a continual feast." -- Proverbs 15:15

"I commend mirth." -- Ecclesiastes 8:15

"Let your heart by merry." -- Judges 19:6

"Make a joyful noise to the Lord, all the earth; break forth into joyous song and sing praises!" —Psalm 98:4

Spiritually-minded folks around the world are bringing laughter to their places of worship.

If you are a church-goer and you do not hear laughter in your church ... act quickly and do the right thing!

Vlad, here is the book which was very influential in helping me laugh at myself:

LAUGH FOR NO REASON
http://www.laughteryoga.org/shopping/E_Book_English.html

Dale you got me wrong. My motto has always been, and continues to be "With Malice Toward None".

But I've been looking for some news on the $40,000 per plate fundraiser at Sarah Jessica Parker's house in Manhattan last night. I hope everything went OK. I understand the editor of Vogue Magazine, with her cotterie of Gay attendants, was there. Let me say right here and now I know my place and if I was in that dining room I would humbly kneel before such esteemed glitterati. That the chow was good goes without saying; after all, each plate costs $40,000. I don't know if any Owser types were out on the streets protesting against such blatant excess. Ibendet, did you see any Owsers about? It seems like an event like this would be tailor made for such protestations. No? Maybe I'm wrong then. I'm curious, just what is Sarah Jessica's area of expertise? Foriegn Affairs? The Middle East? Maybe Sarah Jessica could give the esteemed Nobel Peace Prize Winner some sage advice about what to do about the dozens of people massacred in Syria yeaserday, and the hunter-killer choppers Russia is sending to Syria next week. What's for dessert?

--WSP7

Ibendet, did you see any Owsers about? It seems like an event like this would be tailor made for such protestations. No?

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No, Occupy Wall Street is concerned with structural theft of BILLIONS of dollars, which has lowered the standard of living of every American, especially those who own houses.

This Sarah Jessica Parker affair which has you so riled, is VOLUNTARY, COSTS THOUSANDS NOT BILLIONS, and DOES NOT LOWER OUR STANDARD OF LIVING.

When you make posts complaining about fund raisers, you seem very small and petty. Did you make similar posts about Bush fund raisers?

Bush presided over an annual dinner at the cavernous Washington Convention Center, the last such fundraiser of his presidency. This one raised $21.5 million for Republican House and Senate candidates

How much do you think Sarah Jessica Parker raised for a measly $40,000 a plate dinner? Tell me, WSP7, since you are following this so closely. Did it come anywhere near Bush's $21.5 MILLION haul?

Bill,
Thanks for answering. :)

Capt. Spaulding,
It is annoying to keep scrolling past all the posts one doesn't want to read. But the comments from others are truly worth it. There are so many good insights on this site that I come back to read the posts after I've decided not to.

Being There,
Finished the Shock Doctrine. Thank you so much for the head's up on this book.

Great, Senneth

Now you know how this "captialism" works. What others see as stupid mistakes and shenanigans, you realize there are no mistakes, just different ways to set up a scenario to syphon off money from the public sector.
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As for the Dem fundraiser at SJP. Obama made 4.5 million and Romney made 3.3 million on his.
This my friends is a colossal misappropriation of money that could have been used for this country in way better ways than which head of the duopoly will be POTUS.

Last evening they were saying how the money is used and it's not just for commercials. Its all about the market research for us all. Because of the internet tracking they know what we're all doing, they will target us specifically and that's where the big bucks are spent.

"Columbus may have been Jewish. The cream always rises to the top."
-buck stud, paraphrased-

"That's very interesting, Buck. Would you please elaborate and tell us what this means to you."
-p2c, paraphrased-


"P2C, the meaning was clear... perhaps disturbing to you, but clear. I wish you would stop feigning stupidity to cover your racism."
-asoka.not paraphrased at all-
+++++++++++++++++++++++
Thus does asoka.as usual, stop all possibility of dialog or mutual understanding - gratuitously insulting p2c, while emphatically telling Buck Stud what Buck Stud MUST think.

And it's so nice how asoka.smashes P2C in the head with the rhetorical baseball bats of "STUPID" and "RACIST," in one double smash.

"I love how we are all such good friends on CFN and are so playful with one another."
-asoka.stupidity.racist-

Hi Yo, Silver!
"The Resident Impediment" rides again!!

BT,
Orrrr-wellian!

"Last evening they were saying how the money is used and it's not just for commercials. Its all about the market research for us all. Because of the internet tracking they know what we're all doing, they will target us specifically and that's where the big bucks are spent." -BT/LB

Yep, they're trying desperately to get me to buy shit that I have absolutely no interest in by targeting "locale" [especially] in ads designed jist fer me!

I guess they don't me/my tastes too well. What they're revealing is THEMSELVES as my true enemies. (Banks, investment houses, political campaigns, slave traders (foreign marriage brokers), self-aggrandizing books from purveyors of mass murder, etc.)
They certainly know not what they do, but it's good for a chuckle. I've been mostly immune to advertising since... well... about forever. A born cynic/suspicious fool you say? So be it.

"I'm curious, just what is Sarah Jessica's area of expertise? Foreign Affairs? The Middle East?" -WSP

Got nuthin' agin Ms. Parker, personally, but I would guess that her expertise is in canape-choosing, table-setting and [most important of all] seating charts. Demanding tasks, you understand, but we can be certain that she rose to the challenge with brilliance and flair! ;o)

Speaking of cloacal excreta, Colon POW!-well is flogging his new [revisionist] auto-biographical/psycho-drivel turd... I mean "tome" on the publick airwaves.

He sez, upon going to bed at night, put in your mind that "tomorrow will be better".

Riiiiight; for Colon mebbe, for his victims, not so much.
Treasonous bastard.


ok, snark alert: i don t have anything agin her either; nor would i: i happen to think she s one of the flat- out ugliest women ever...EVAHR...i mean mister fuckin ed ugly- gotta feel just a little sorry for bueller on this one
as for why they do the celebrity fundraisers, it s obvious to me that the money s nice, but the fanbase is what obama is really after...

Fanbase, hmmm?
Sounds to me like you've struck the coffin with the shovel! ;o)


Hi Yo, Silver!
"The Resident Impediment" rides again!!

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That's the spirit, P2C!

If Asoka bothers you, I would suggest these strategies to deal with him:

1) Put him in scrollover country (tm anti soak)

2) Stay on topic (like BeingThere does)

3) Ignore him

4) Wait 5 years and he will go away.

If you continue to read and call him names, I'm afraid you just may be giving him the attention he craves. He's a nutter who believes in no borders, no army, no atomic mass murder! Crazy!

Hi Yo, Silver!
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As the VP down at the bank (The Loan Arranger) departs the office in his white Lexus he yells "Hi Ho Silver, Away."

Disregard what Wikipedia says. They've got it wrong.

Charlie,
Her caterer didn't serve this tasty treat, but should have. ;o)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVpJeSqbnVU

Uh, you gonna eat all that? Woof! Where's K-dawg?


feck! 'video not available on mobile device'...and the dawg is at chasingthesquirrel.com...pheweet pheweet, k-dawg- you out there? who s a good boy? huh? who s a good boy? wanna come out and play? (all apologies dawg; couldn t resist)

Meanwhile life goes on for the 99%.
Obama will announce today A NEW POLICY ON ILLEGALS.
HE WILL GIVE THEM WORK PAPERS.

Sarah Jessica Parker is a latter day Barbara Streisand. Babs threw Clinton a 20? million dollar party, back in the day.

huh...i smoke a little from time to time- does that make me a sick bird? where the fuck are my work papers?! OCB s, pleez!
so he s pandered enough to the anti- crowd; time to switch to pandering to the immigrants, jest in time for the 'lection...somebody in the administration must have been reading Kos a coupla days ago; they ran an article pointing out that, counting the hispanic vote gives Rmoney zero chance- and that spanish-language tv are pillorying 'bomber for his ICE crackdown...talk about your flip flop; those two oughtta be walking hand-in-hand on a beach somewhere and fucking each other in the mouth instead of fucking us all out of our futures and very lives...treasonous bastards...

Disregard what Wikipedia says. They've got it wrong.

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[sarcasm on]

Blasphemy! How could Wikipedia be wrong! Wikipedia is crowd-sourced, a product of hive mind, and we all know how intelligent the crowd is.

[sarcasm off]

Disregard what Wikipedia says. They've got it wrong.

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When Asoka is not posting to CFN, he spends his time "correcting" Wikipedia articles.

The fact that Asoka (and anyone else) can edit Wikipedia is an argument against using Wikipedia.

HE WILL GIVE THEM WORK PAPERS.

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Just like Reagan did. Just like Bush did.
It's about time! Obama will extend his lead over Romney. Finally, immigrants get a break. Hooray!

You have made my day! Thank you, anti soak!

As the VP down at the bank (The Loan Arranger) departs the office in his white Lexus he yells "Hi Ho Silver, Away." Disregard what Wikipedia says. They've got it wrong.

LOL!

This is a true argument from authority. A bank VP is sourced to make an argument for "Hi Ho" ... as opposed to the equally unauthoritative source, Wikipedia. We are soooo fucked!

This is how people get information (from advertising on TV); this is how idiots gather information: from Wikipedia. We are soooo fucked!

If you want to argue, use authoritative primary sources. Here is one on the Lone Ranger:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDedUcmvgL8

The phrase appears at the 19 second mark and again at the 27 second mark.

We are preoccupied with trivia. We are so fucked!

CORRECTION

If you want to argue, use authoritative primary sources, preferably scholarly sources that have been peer-reviewed by experts in the field in question.

Wikipedia is not scholarly.

Wikipedia is not peer-reviewed.

Wikipedia articles are anonymous, so there is no way of knowing if an article has been edited by a subject expert, or by an elementary school student, or, horrors, by Asoka!

Do NOT use Wikipedia. Use libraries, or primary source documents, which libraries have.


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1-0 2-2 ...2比0 西班牙赢 ...2;0 1;1 ...2-1 1-1 ...我猜西班牙1:1意大利 爱尔兰1:0克罗地亚 ...1比0 0比0 ...西班牙0:1...


谁晓得 这届欧洲杯都是冷门 整体实力那还是意大利 ...小我感到克罗地亚 ...百度搜索 直播巴西 不雅看欧洲杯 从职员上看 意大利确定占优 但是足球不断定的...


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意大利 ...意大利万岁~~ ...固然是意大利。我是意迷,固然意年夜利今不如昔了,然而仍是支撑意大利,不任何来由 ...平手...看好意大利2:1克罗地亚 .....


上半场0:0,下半场卡萨诺打入全场竞赛独一进球。 ...当然是意大利了。估量...上半场意大利急于进攻 被克罗地亚 狙击到手 参考材料:直播巴西 ...


意大利,从上场的表示看还不错,352阵型,中场把持力强,当场反抢,戍守回击...必需是意大利,由于我不以为克罗地亚的进攻比西班牙更锋利。 ...百度搜寻 ...


友人你好,这里就很不错了,你相对要信任我,错过了就没有了。 ...6月9...西班牙VS意大利 6月11日 02:45 C组小组赛 爱尔兰VS克罗地亚 6月12日 00:...


意大利,理由:起首意大利的防守没的说,新帅普兰德利分歧于以往意大利的主帅,他更偏向于进攻,意大利进攻题目获得了很大的改良战平西班牙时代高涨,其次克罗地亚...


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牛奶亦存在收紧肌肤功效、若凌晨起床发明眼皮浮肿、可用适量牛奶和醋加开水调匀、然后在眼皮上重复轻按3~5分钟、再以热毛巾敷半晌、眼帘瞬即消肿 . 想方式简略一点的、可先将两片化装棉浸以冻牛奶、然后敷在浮肿的眼皮上约10分钟、再用清水洗净便可 .

15、牛奶疾速洁面磨砂

想让洁面品能施展最年夜的功效、除要抉择合适小我肤质的用品以外、还应尽可能防止让洁面液勾留在皮肤上太久 . 不然会减低其功能、更可能对肌肤造成损害 . 在使用洁面奶或洁面膏时、只需在面上微微打圈约两分钟、便要用清水洗干净 . 但如果磨砂时光太短、面部内的污垢亦不克不及有效排走 . 若按摩的时间太长、洁面膏内的皂液会有机遇令皮肤呈现过敏反映、乃至涌现红肿景象、令新陈代谢过快而加快皮肤老化 . 若洁面奶留在面上跨越3分钟、毛孔亦会接收适量的润泽成份、令油脂粒一直在皮肤上繁殖 .

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If you want to argue, use authoritative primary sources, preferably scholarly sources that have been peer-reviewed by experts in the field in question.

Wikipedia is not scholarly.

Wikipedia is not peer-reviewed.

Wikipedia articles are anonymous, so there is no way of knowing if an article has been edited by a subject expert, or by an elementary school student, or, horrors, by Asoka!

Do NOT use Wikipedia. Use libraries, or primary source documents, which libraries also have.

egg rolls and bread crumbs, baby! never eaten spam; don t read it, and don t want to

Message to Chinese spammer:

I am here more than you are.

Your attempts to dilute my important messages will fail.

I will re-post making it twice as likely (twice meaning before your spam and after your spam) that someone will read my erudite and concise messages.

If this is what you want, an amplification of Asoka, then keep spamming.

如果这是你想要什么,阿育王放大,然后保持垃圾邮件。

[在這裡插入您的垃圾郵件]

如果這是你想要什麼,阿育王放大,然後保持垃圾郵件。

Obama passes "dream" act by exectutive decree. Who needs Congress? Obama believes in "Democracy" after all or rule by the Mob.

800,000 young Hispanics now to be legal. These are thugs, welfare cheats, and even when not, fast breeders. Another stoke of doom. We tried to warn you, but you laughed us to scorn.

http://www.drudgereport.com/

What a hideous image! Laughing may be good or you but to force it is so unnatural. It's masturbation compared to sex. It's like those up tight women who go for power walks as opposed to just going for a walk. It's bullshit and hopeuflly, you're just bullshitting about doing it.

From a yogic point of view: breathing is an autonomic activity. So it can be beneficial to be conscious of it and fine tune it. Laughing is not nearly such a fundamental thing - a social or external activity for the most part. The benefits you describe are more easily attained thru pranayama - making all such unatural forcing unnecessary.

You forgot to mention controlled by Jews as well.

My god. The Vlad & Assoka Show AND Chinese spam?

If this were an in-flight movie I would still walk out.

Another stoke of doom.
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Haha. stoke

It's bullshit and hopeuflly, you're just bullshitting
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Pronunciation of bolded word above:

hope-you-flee

haha

Yo, Be Town: you never answered Prog's existential question. Neither did Zone, but no one expects much of him. People made a bid deal about your return - now you have to live up to that. No one said being (a woman or anything really) was supposed to be easy. If you take the weight, you gotta pay the freight.

The one who leads you to the Guru is also Guru. You lead me to T (making money hand over fist) and then to Higgins. Post a pic and I will do a puja for your health and long life.

My Father used to play the Dogs, and now so do I in a different way. Remember, if Obama get reelected, throw tens or hundreds of thousands onto Smith & Wesson the next morning. It'll be a ten banger for sure.

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and then to Higgins
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What Higgins?

'enery 'iggins?

Yes, T is on a wonderful run despite Ixnei/Ixnomor's admonitions. Another dividend is due in about 3 weeks, $0.44/share.

Don't want to break your heart but you might as well buy that Smith & Wesson right now because Obama WILL be re-elected.

What a hideous image! Laughing may be good to you but to force it is so unnatural.

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Going to the gym and forcing the lifting of dumbbells is not "natural" either, but it can bring benefits.

The completely "unnatural" can bring benefits, like simulating laughter with vigorous “ha-ha’s” and “ho-ho’s.” In a group setting, this “fake” laughter quickly becomes real and contagious and may continue for half an hour or more.

Laughter brings more oxygen to the tissue, boosts immunity, relieves pain, lowers stress, and even helps protect against heart disease, diabetes, arthritis, migraine, and cancer.

Laughter is a powerful technique – safe, easy, and a lot of fun.

YKKKMMV.

Those Cfn'ers who've been around a long time might remember that Assoka used to cite Wikipedia many times in the past to prove his points (not the ones on his head but in his head). Now all of a sudden he says not to use Wikipedia, that it is not a valid source of information. In the words of Gomer Pyle, "Wayall, surprise, surprise, surprise!"

And he mentions that the time he's not posting on CFN he is correcting, updating information on Wikipedia. His is a dirty job, but someone's got to do it. When does he get the time to gather his fruits and nuts? Does he have time to give Mrs. Soak a good porking now and then, or does he leave that up to the local natives? Only Thyme will tell.

Also, seems the Chinese spammers are out to get HIM. Classic case of Persecution complex seems to me.

As hopeless as politics are, I became a recent convert to Ron Paul, hoping at least to avert the implementation of martial law, a currency collapse, and end to the fed and the IRS, a restoration of our freedom and Constitutional rights, minimal government, and an end to foreign interventionism. Legalizing marijuanna was another plus, even though I don't use the stuff anymore (it amplifies reality, alcohol dulls it)

I initially supported Obama, enraged at what Bush co did after they stole the election, only to find that Obama is not much better. Nobody can restart growth, no amount of hot air piped in from any of those assholes in Washington will heat your homes, power your cars, or regenerate fossil fuels. Whoever is selected in 2012, if we don't collapse by then, will preside over an empire that collapsed on their watch.

Awhile back, I believe it was Ozone who posted that all of Mitt Romney's foreign policy advisors have dual US/Israel citizenship. I looked this up, and came up with this link http://www.alipac.us/f19/mitt-romney%92s-foreign-policy-team-israeli-dual-citizens-257516/

If true, the implications are mind fucking staggering. Even a neocon like Colin Powell criticized Romney's team as lacking military expertise and being too far to the right. How objective will these people be regarding Iran, who has 60% of the remaining total of 50% of the world's remaining oil?

We are talking about potential WWIII here,as China and Russia have threatened to intervene, and certainly a pissed off Iran and other OPEC nations will enter into long term barter arrangements and lock the US out of the 2/3 of energy we need to import. Potential WWIII, certain collapse of the US.

Mitt Romney would be Bush all over again, Obama apparently isn't barking for his masters fast enough. Kill them faster, bomb them into the stone age, torture them, and kill their leaders...under the guise of some false threat or "humanitarian" mission. The illegal immigration issue pales in comparison.

So here's my prediction. Voter purges continue in Texas and Florida, and with a lot of help from black box voting machines, Romney wins by a narrow margin. He will promise to "heal" the nation like the asshole liars before him.

A reckless military campaign, ill planned like the one in Iraq, will be implemented against Iran. The wishes of the majority and the rest of the world be damned. A new version of "shock and awe" will take out the government buildings as a prelude to a massive aerial bombardment (unless that advanced Russian anti aircraft system proves to be a good as some claim). A land invasion will follow that will prove to be a blood bath, deplted uranium munitions will be used generously, the president and leaders of that country will be captured and executed.

If a limited nuclear campaign isn't triggered, the complete and total collapse of the US will follow. We will be left out to dry with no friends left in the world, they will tell us to go fuck ourselves, martial law will be implemented, and starving and impoverished americans will know why the "national defense authorization act" was implemented and why the "department of homeland security" bought those 450,000,000 millions rounds of hollow points and the 12,700 armored vehicles.

Meanwhile the predator drones keep flying, they haven't been used to kill anyone on american soil yet, Obama has decided to start "limited" military strikes on Syria in what the liars and propagandists are calling another "humanitarian mission". I am betting the US funds Al Queda mercenaries to take out Assad, but Russia has threatened to send in 2 divisions, so this may or may not be another Libya. As best I know Syria doesn't have vast oil reserves and has not threateneed to dump the US petro dollar, like Qaddafy did. Why is a broke and bleeding country like the US meddling with Syria to begin with? Nothing good will come from this, at least for the US

The insanity will never end, the elections will be rigged by people who do not have our best interests in mind (nothing new there), only this time, a great deal more misery and death. That is what I see. Anyone see a different outcome? I would bet you but I don't like to steal people's money, I prefer to earn it. (That's why I hate lawyers, politicians, and the government along with anyone else who steals, harms, and kills other people)

I guess what I was getting at is that illegal immigration and these other issues will be minor footnotes in a country that collapsed

I get it. You are on a plane, and still you would walk out, even though it means your death. Ha ha.

But in reality you have to LOG ON to CFN. You have to select the comments you want to see. You have to scroll through to find the comments you want to read among all the fluff.

You are not on a plane. Nobody is forcing you to read anything you don't want to read. And still you complain about your voluntary suffering. Incredible.

Whoever is selected in 2012, if we don't collapse by then...

What makes you think there are going to be elections, what with so many people arming themselves with Smith and Wessons, hot to use their firepower on someone.

If we are in turbulent times, maybe the best thing to do would be to postpone the elections indefinitely, kind of like justice is postponed at Guantanamo Bay ... indefinitely.

But I don't think that is going to happen. I think Obama is going to be re-elected because he has proven to be a hawk, more militaristic and more intelligent than Romney.

Romney sought and received FIVE DEFERMENTS to avoid going to Vietnam. None of his sons went to war either. I guess, in the words of ChickHawk Cheney, they all had "other priorities."

Once again Obama circumvents Congress and declares it a free for all on immigration (30 and under) in what will be a defining blow to what's left of the working class in the U.S. Was it a nod to the Hispanic vote, after pissing them off when he says it's okay to be gay, and abortion is okay, too.

The biggest chuckle I had today while at the gym and watching CNN (no choice in the matter) I heard it said that lawful illegals will no longer be deported by DHS. Isn't being here illegally an unlawful act? Why do I continue to try to make sense of this bullshit?

I do not share MN's view about the impending collapse of the U.S. But I do have to wonder why it is that we have all of these wars going on, militaries crushing anyone in opposition to new and not-so-new dictatorships, our focus in the news here is two sexual perverts who either cover up the diddling of little boys, or who are outrageous preditors who seek carnal knowledge of little boys.

The Bilderbergers are slowly showing their hand. Unchecked immigration will pit worker against worker here, lowering wages and encouraging those still lucky enough to have a job to shut up and put their nose to the grindstone. The value of money is ever so slowly being eaten away as our currency is being created out of thin air. Just about every Islamist country hates America, including, wonder-of-wonders, Pakistan. People ask why a former ally, Pakistan, now hates us. Well, because civilized countries just don't swoop down on another sovereign country, and murder people sleeping there. A civilized country would, having found where Bin Laden was holed up, demand that he be extradicted to the U.S. to be put on trial for terrorism.

As citizens, we are groped, interrogated, and put through scanners to ensure that we're not terrorists. But how easy would it be for some eager terrorists to cross into the U.S. via our Mexican border, where Obama has spread out a huge welcome mat? Kind of makes you think.

Isn't being here illegally an unlawful act?

No, not unless you consider a two-month old baby brought across the border to be committing "an unlawful act." Being in this country without papers is not committing "an unlawful act" and immigrants are not criminals.

You must just be too stupid to make sense of what you call "bullshit" but which actually makes sense according to the legal system we have.

Assistant Homeland Security Secretary John Morton is currently head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. A former federal prosecutor, Morton is no squishy liberal and he doesn’t take lawbreakers lightly. Yet, when asked in an interview whether illegal immigrants are de facto criminals, he answered: “Not necessarily.”

It all depends, he said, on the specific circumstances of any one case. The thing to keep in mind is that the laws governing who is allowed to enter the country and under what circumstances aren’t criminal statutes.

“The immigration laws are civil in nature,” Morton said. “There are criminal immigration offenses but mainly they are misdemeanors in most instances.

Your knee-jerk anti-immigrant stance prevents you from engaging in any kind of nuanced thinking, kind of like what happens to me with the subject of use of immoral weapons, like atomic bombs, on civilian populations.

I'm against the mass murder of babies .... go figure.

But you are getting all bent out of shape about misdemeanor violations of civil regulations. I feel sorry for you. You are morally-challenged.

As hopeless as politics are, I became a recent convert to Ron Paul, hoping at least to avert the implementation of martial law, a currency collapse, and end to the fed and the IRS, a restoration of our freedom and Constitutional rights, minimal government, and an end to foreign interventionism. MN

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Ron Paul is a major league pal of Romney's. Ron's family (Rand, etc.) have come out in support of Romney's presidential bid. Romney is in the pocket of Israel, as is most of Congress and the media. That's why none of what you see in the news makes any sense. Our government is bought and paid for by Israel. The Palestinians are quite pissed. China and Russia are two countries not afraid to show up for a good fight, so while our PTB are thinking they're awfully cute, anyone with any working knowledge of both China and Russia know that they can be quite brutal when properly stirred up. And the U.S. is holding a gigantic spoon in the caldron of shit that is about to be spilled.

When Santorum and Gingrich were giving it to Romney with both barrels, Ron Paul was playing chickenshit politics and carefully avoided criticizing Romney. Paul is nothing more than a Republican politician who probably has his hopes of getting some kind of political appointment ... so he handled Romney with kid gloves. What a hypocrite! What a coward!

And you are a nincompoop...with emphasis on the word "poop". Notice you didn't deny the fact that you've quoted from Wikipedia in the past - a fact that can easily be found by looking into the archives. You are a liar and a fraud. I'm glad I'm not the only one here to expose you.

Of course I did not deny using Wikipedia. I have cited from Wikipedia when responding to people like E. and Q. who are enamored of it and believe what it says. It made sense to use it in those instances because that lent credibility to my argument IN THEIR EYES.

My posts stand on their own, so I need not comment on your "liar and fraud" calumnia. Your slanderous remarks are despicable. (I'm going to go make some popcorn while I await your response. This is fun!)

I'm glad I have the opportunity it defend myself against baseless attacks from someone who thinks simply being here is "an unlawful act" and seems incapable of understanding the difference between civil and criminal law.

Next.

Of course I did not deny using Wikipedia. I have cited from Wikipedia when responding to people like E. and Q. who are enamored of it and believe what it says. It made sense to use it in those instances because that lent credibility to my argument IN THEIR EYES. - Ass

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So NOW you claim to know what E and Q believe? If I thought you actually possessed a pair, I'd say you've got SOME balls. You are a mental midget compared to E and Q. You're the only one on this thread that doesn't know it. There now, you've been "tagged"!

That is true, about the chickenhawks. I would argue that presidents do not get selected based on their intelligence, but rather if the most powerful, entrenched special interests want them in power.

The ideals of Ron Paul appeal to me, but they whacked JFK for many of the same things Ron Paul advocates. I don't think making a weird right turn towards a grassy knoll with a professional assasin hiding behind a picket fence disguised as a Dallas police officer would work with all the video/camcorders these days, and people would know better than to hand them over to men posed as "secret service agents" never to be seen again, but anyone who somehow may elected would be well advised to have his own mechanics check his airplane, as I have suspected that was/is a new neat "whack em" trick the CIA concocted (remember Jerry Brown? JFK jr, who was supposedly getting presidential aspirations)Maybe Bill Clinton was supposed to be on airforce one that day Brown died, but then again, he was just another neocon asshole who pushed NAFTA through with all his might, so I could very well be wrong

That being said, I retained some of my liberal ideas. Paulians tend to be fiscal conservatives (sound money, don't spend what you don't have) while remaining socially liberal, even radical...legalize drugs, get the government out of your personal life and your bedroom, minimal government (a really great idea after one looks at what decades of big, out of control government has accomplished), etc. The government couldn't run a goddamned lemonade stand, let alone manage a local disaster like Katrina. I fear that will prove to be verfy efficient at killing people and stealing their money when the US collapses, which is a foregone conclusion in my book. Anyone else can stay in denial or think what they want, its no skin off my ass

Back to presidents getting elected on the basis of their intellect. Remember that cock sucker named Ronald Reagan? (someone should have bought Hinkley a bigger gun, my father used to say after the bastard fired the air traffic controllers that supported him. The man Reagan beat was far more intelligent, he didn't have fuckin end stage Alzheimers. Jimmy Carter tried to warn us about our energy predicament, and he was 100% right, as recent events and the next few years will prove. A precious 30 year window of opportunity to mitigate the energy disaster we are soon to face could was blown because people was assholes backi then just like they are now and didn't want to hear the truth.

Al Gore vs that son of a Bush, the runner up in the 2000 and 2004 elections? Actually, I am glad Gore lost, because if something happened to him, we would have been stuck with that rat bastard Lieberman, the little fucking weasel that he is. That is a no brainer. Al Gore was brilliant, if at least literate. "The question is seldom asked....IS our children being educated"....."teach a child to read and he or her will pass a literacy test". That inbred dickwad fell out of the stupid tree and hit every branch on the way.

So your notion that Obama will win because he is smarter than Romney, like most everything else you say, has no basis in reality, but I will agree Obama is smarter. That doesn't mean shit if the special interests want him out. They have started purging voters in Texas and Florida, and those Diebolt black box voting machines are still in wide use, I would be very alarmed if I were you.

Speaking of chickenhawks, I don't like Ted dog breath Nugent. I support people's right to defend themselves, but I fail to see much of a difference between Obama or Romney, only that Romney may start WWIII, get the US locked out of the oil trade, and bring on the wholesale collapse of the US even faster than Obama would have. Nugent acts like the sky is going to fall if Obama gets elected. Again, my prediction is that the deck is being rigged for Romney because of his eagerness to engage in another massive aerial and ground war. Nugent had aspirations to run for the governor of Michigan, and as much as I hated Jennifer Granholm, I might have voted for him just to get that bitch out, but then these rumors started circulating that he got out of having to go to Vietnam by pissing and shitting in his pants for a week or so and not shaving or showering. I heard he moved to Texas. No great loss in my book.

There now, you've been "tagged"!

I'm afraid I'm not smart enough to know what this means.

Are you referring to some juvenile schoolyard game? I hope not, for your sake.

Hello? We are facing life and death choices. Could you respond to something more relevant, like peak oil and alternative zero-emission energy sources? Or overshoot, or EROEI?

Now, am I supposed to say "Tag, you're it"?

Yes, I saw where Rand gave his endorsement to Romney. However I saw Ron Paul tear into Rick Perry and the other front runners in the debates, but the system would never allow him to get elected. In a post collapse US, his ideals may become reality....you can't empire build or mantain a massive military machine without the energy to sustain it,people will lose faith in a currency not backed by gold or something of value as a medium of exchange, minimal government will matter most as many states will realize they would be much better off detached from a money devouring, debt addicted, out of control, wasteful, stupid and corrupt federal government, the government as the nanny state on steroids will dispappear as such issues as prostitution or pot smoking will pale in comparison to mass hunger and starvation, bloodshed and mayhem in the streets, a lack of clean drinking water, lack of heat in the winter, brown outs and black outs as the lights go out

Fracking and shale gas may have bought us time, but when OPEC dumps the US petro dollar, and an invasion of Iran may prompt them to do so even sooner, and we have to rely on the declining 1/3 of our domestic energy production and the new drilling technologies tend to deplete gas desposits even sooner and tends to contaminate ground water. Maybe we could survive by drinking our own urine and harnessing the awesome power to be obtained from gerbil wheels, but I think chances are better that Barabara Bush will win the next beauty pageant or become a pole dancer (good one, James). Collapse is inevitable and will unleash a nightmare in the US beyond anyone's wildest imagination

my prediction is that the deck is being rigged for Romney because of his eagerness to engage in another massive aerial and ground war.

And you think Obama is not? Obama has shown he is more than willing to do the dirty work of taking on the "terrorists"

In a time of war, this country never votes to replace a sitting president.

Starting something with Iran just before the election would mean a sure victory for Obama and Obama IS the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, so all the cards are in his hand.

Romney cannot precipitate a national emergency to get elected. Romney cannot start a war to get elected. Obama can.

A national emergency does not need to be "precipitated". It has already started (some call it the recession, others know it is peak oil and the end of growth). It's all downhill from now, and the government knows it. That's why we got choke fed the "national defense authorization act" and the "department of homeland security" and those Halliburton "FEMA camps". The internet kill switch, your cell phones jammed or shut off, and martial law is attempted. I think they will succeed because let's face it, most americans are pussies, they have taken all this shit up their ass all this time, most other people around the world would be dragging their politicians out and giving them the Mussolini treatment by now

As I said, Romney and Paul are very good buddies. No doubt Romney is going to head us into WWIII if he can, even faster than Obama. Asstute observation on your part by noticing Ron Paul remaining silent while Sanitorium and Gingrich were "raking him over the coals". You noticed. I didn't.

That being said, It's all a dog and pony show, and an expensive one at that. Anti-soak is in a snit because Sara Jessica Parker and all of the other Hollywood knitwits are kneeling down to kiss Obama's privates. The real $$$ is the stuff we don't read about which is the cash Israel sends to Congress in order to do their bidding. It will be hell on earth for Jews when, not if, Russia and China decide enough is enough. Saudi Arabia can turn on a dime. If our currency continues its state of decline, we're going to be far out on a limb with a very unstable tree and rotting roots. Cheers!

The internet kill switch, your cell phones jammed or shut off...

This would be accepted passively by the public, as long as you don't shut down TV, FoxNews, Dancing with the Stars, American Idol, etc.

Mess with their TV and you risk people getting off their sofas and going out into the streets, armed. TPTB do not want to risk that.

Here I was thinking you were an ardent Obama supporter. Americans will find out the hard way that there is no political solution and that their federal government never had their interests in mind and has long since been hijacked by special interests. Just wait and see.

I forgot to add about Ron Paul or anyone else who actually tries to make a difference or enact real change (a sure sign of an impending nervous breakdown=actually believing you can make a difference). If they should see their human shield ordered to jump off that limo before it makes a weird turn towards a sniper's nest, then get ready to duck. Likewise, if the limo driver should start to slow down after shots ring out when their burn and bang training tells them to mash down on the gas and get the hell out of dodge, then duck. Just one of hundreds of things I could mention

I guess you are new here. I have occasionally called for Obama to be prosecuted and imprisoned for war crimes. Drone attacks have killed many and 17% of them were civilians. This is a crime against humanity in my book.

I have also posted the Green Party's ten core values and advocated voting for Jill Stein. I am not a libertarian. Libertarians are Republicans who want to smoke pot.

I am not a Democrat because Obama has cut so many public employee jobs, he has actually shrunk the size of government despite the massive needs we have to develop alternative energy, educate our young to be competitive, repair our national infrastructure, develop mass transit alternatives to happy motoring, increase employment, reduce poverty, etc.

I know we disagree on this, but I am in favor of BIG GOVERNMENT and HIGHER TAXES ON THE RICH.

I can only imagine the horrors your mirror has seen - like the old Night Gallery opening that used to freak me out as a kid.

Someday the mirror is going to tire of being so ill used and reach out and pop you right in the mouth mid contortion.

Vlad, you are talking about something you know nothing about as you have not seen just how beautiful my face is, and how much more beautiful it becomes when the mirror image helps me to laugh.

500th!

Michael B O'Higgins, author of "Beating the Dow" and the "low five" method. You pick the ten best dividend stocks among the Dow 30 (the dividend being an indicator of health in the Dow Companies), and then invest in the 5 cheapest of these. This method has done better than the Dow almost every year for the last 40 or so. And most professionals can't even do as good as the Dow. Significantly, two of the picks you gave me were low fives or "Dogs of the Dow". The third, PEG, I sadly left alone even though it looked good, it not being a Dow 30. Another method is investing in all ten - though not as good as the low five. Strangely, the second cheapest of the low five is also a pick that can have amazing results - but obviousy much more of a risk as a single stock.

O Higgings Law: People tend to complicate something in direct proportion to its importance. Thus they often miss the forest for the trees.

What makes you so sure of an Obama victory?

Forgive me. As a Lemurean seeker, you may benefit from things which would not be beneficial to a seeker of the fourth (Atlantean) or fifth (Aryan) root races. So conitinue to titter and giggle as you make faces at yourself by all means.

Dada la magnitud de la vida en el cosmos, una vida humana no es más que un pequeño destello. Cada uno de nosotros es un visitante sólo para este planeta, un invitado, que sólo se quedará por un tiempo limitado, ¿qué mayor locura puede haber que pasar este tiempo solo, triste o en conflictos con nuestros compañeros? Mucho mejor, sin duda, para usar nuestro tiempo aquí es vivir una vida significativa, enriquecida por nuestro sentido de conexión con los demás...

-- Su Santidad el Dalai Lama

You are forgiven for this error.

Wow! Asoka speaks Spanish! I'm so impressed.

All my neighbors speak Spanish, so it comes in handy. Took me four years to become fluent.

The Obama campaign responded to Romney's remarks on Friday, pointing out that the former Massachusetts governor previously said he would veto the Dream Act and has opposed providing legal status to undocumented immigrants.

"His 'solution' to our immigration challenges was self-deportation," campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt said in a statement. "Today he continues to refuse to express support for legislation that lets children who were brought to the U.S. and want to contribute by pursuing higher education or serve in the military stay in America."

WASHINGTON — Sen. John McCain said in an interview posted online Friday that "foreign money" was helping fellow Republican Mitt Romney's presidential hopes and singled out one of his ally's most generous supporters.

McCain, the GOP's 2008 presidential nominee, suggested casino magnate Sheldon Adelson's $10 million contribution to a pro-Romney super PAC was a conduit for Adelson to use profits from properties in Macau to shape American elections. McCain also criticized the Supreme Court ruling that allows individuals and corporations to make such unlimited donations to nominally independent political action committees.

"That is a great deal of money. And, again, we need a level playing field and we need to go back to the realization that Teddy Roosevelt had: that we have to have a limit on the flow of money and that corporations are not people," McCain said in an interview with PBS' NewsHour.

Romney needs to remind McCain:

"Corporations are people, my friend."

Yr comment is funny, and the fact sad...
lotsa asoka and bizarre spam.
JIM, PLEASE BAN CHINESE SPAM. IT GIVES ME INDIGESTION.

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It was me, not Ozone who posted that, probably a week ago.
I go to a few sites [TakiMag, Occidental, Alt right,
Political Cesspool, Unamusement] and found it, probably at one of them.
Depressing facts. I clicked yr link and saw the 2.3T $ is still missing [no surprise, probably in rummys swiss bank account]. And Obama OKs 3 million more illegals, on top of 1? million a year legally and diversity visas + 80,000 muslims as 'refugees'.

Devils on both sides, with BHO determined to bankrupt USA and destroy Euro culture. I never believed in his 'hope n change'.

[Continue yr 'destroy asoka' campaign, with my blessings].

'I guess what I was getting at is that illegal immigration and these other issues will be minor footnotes in a country that collapse'
Countries collapse when borders collapse.

I wonder if the Obamas have a nice ranch in South America, yet.

Meanwhile in the XUSSR:
there are 2 million Muslims (1/5 of the population) in Moscow. Now that they have the requisite 20% of the population, they start making relentless demands on the non-Muslim government. If they don’t get what they want, eventually, there will be riots in the streets..........[barenaked islam]

True Greatness, the Legacy of Enoch Powell, a Prophet crying in the Wilderness - without honor in his own time but vindicted ever more each decade.

http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/06/enoch-powell-rivers-of-blood/#more-27919

JFC, Dad! Drunk already! What am I gonna tell mom on Father's Day? "Gee, here he is Ma, picked him up from the Saratoga Men's Bath House, passed out and reeking from bourbon and semen. Did you want me to give him his Old Spice aftershave gift box (that you paid for since I don't have a job anymore) or do you want me to wait until he gets sober (hint-never!)

I am filled with despair and forboding tonight. The dark powers work in such concert - compared to them we are bumblers. Yet many of their rank and file have no idea where all this is going. But we do. Such Clarity is a curse in this time and place.

What can the Republcans say? They planned to sell us out with Rubio's plan - Obama just beat them to it. Ron Paul has sold out as well. There is nothing now but White Nationalism for anyone who loves their country. Kramps are you listening?

insert " to above where ...reeking from bourbon and semen." was supposed to end. Sorry dad!

I'm gonna whip you boy for your disrespect and blasphemy.

Now seriously Kramps, do you want all those Chiggas gettin' to stay here? Where's your patriotism? Hell, where's your commonsense?

Kramps are you listening?

Umh, yeah dad, I'm listening. But I don't know when to believe you anymore, ya know? I mean, you told Ma when I was about 4 that you'd never touch liquor again, and yet here you are, umpteenth years later, still living in Mammaw's basement, jobless, toothless- save maybe 5 or 6 - asking me, a high school graduate, if I'm listening to you. No dad, I stopped listening the first time you went back on your word to mom - when she asked you to quit the bottle. You came home drunk, slurring your undying love for her and me, only to pass out on the living room coach/couch (tee-hee) peeing all over the gad dumn place like an alley cat pulled in from some dumpster. No, dad, I'm not listening anymore. BTW, Happy Freakin Father's Day, asswipe!

Was that a joke?

What makes you so sure of an Obama victory?
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I've covered this ground a couple of times, the first time at least 6 mos ago.

There are several reasons. The most prominent is the look of rapture I see in the faces of women (in newspaper pictures) when they are in Obama's presence. I am certain women will vote for BO in large percentages compared with the votes of men...and their votes will have little to do with economics/policies/platforms, etc. Women do not think at all like men. My wife is a perfect example.

You hate America and I'm sending you back to ol' Africa where you's and cuzin Soak belongs.

Then by your reasoning, had your wife been a thoughtful creature, she'd never have married you, no?

There are several reasons. The most prominent is the look of rapture I see in the faces of women (in newspaper pictures) when they are in Obama's presence. Q

Dear god, man, you still READ NEWSPAPERS? The horror of it all! Do you still watch news reels, too?

"It was while at Cambridge Powell is recorded as having enjoyed one of his first close relationships.[6] Indeed, according to John Evans, Chaplain of Trinity and Extra Preacher to the Queen,[7] instructions were left with him to reveal after Powell's death that at least one of the romantic affairs of his life had been homosexual."

So " The Prophet In The Wilderness" was a homosexual? And yet you remain steadfast in your admiration of the man?

You're making progress, Vlad. Keep up the good work!

Well, having a homo son has helped dad in his respect and admiration of gay, Afro Americans. (He's really a pretty nice guy when he's sober. The problem is nobody's seen him sober since about 1991. ) And even then it was for a very short amount of time, like a month. Sort of like a premature ejaculation.

Then by your reasoning, had your wife been a thoughtful creature, she'd never have married you, no?
=============

She has said many times "I didn't marry you for your personality, I married you for your looks."

Not really trying to destroy Asoka. As he or she pointed out, I am new here but quite frankly, when someone states they are smarter than Dmitry Orlov, that Detroit is on the mend and some wonderful vacation paradise, that presidents get elected on the merits of their intellect, or other statements of utter foolishness, I will admit I don't tend to read their posts or take much of anything else they say seriously. What you saw today was one of the few times I had the time or desire to respond. If I hadn't signed up for the goddamned midnight shift for OT tonight, I would reopen a facebook account where I collected pictures from the First Great Depression and pictures of a dying city in ruins that even those from hell would shy away from, Detroit. Google "worst cities to live in" and most bed bug ridden cities in the meantime until I find the links and make sure I clean up the FB account that I deactivated a year or so ago. I am off to work, again, and I wished I hadn't signed up. No titties and beer for me tonight, and my goddamned nagging wife is out of town and the neighbor's wife has been real freindly in her crotch floss bikini, and her old man is a truck driver and will be gone for a few days. What the fuck was I thinking.....

Interesting. I wasn't aware though I had vaguely desired now and then to learn more about this fine man. Surprised? Sure. Shocked? No.

I've never said that all Homos are bad - just that a full validation of Homosexuality was. An important distinction. One of our Martyrs, Pim Fortuyn of the Netherlands, was a Very open Homosexual - yet a great patriot. He would not agree with me about Homosexuality. There are differences among the people fighting for European Civilization. And there may well have to be some Separations if we succeed.

I am new here but quite frankly, when someone states they are smarter than Dmitry Orlov, that Detroit is on the mend and some wonderful vacation paradise, that presidents get elected on the merits of their intellect, or other statements of utter foolishness, I will admit I don't tend to read their posts or take much of anything else they say seriously.
MN on Assoka

*****

Sung to the tune of Wizard of Oz, "We Welcome You to Munchkin Land"

We welcome you to Assoka Land
Fala la la la la la la la la la
We know you'l find Assoka grand.
but we will give a hunch, just a hunch,
That You will find him through and through,
Full a crap, not a bit, but a bunch, a GREAT BIG BUNCH, fala la la la la la la la la la la, fala laa la TEE DAH!

True. Not a big fan of television in general, but take American Idol as an example. That one season where Crystal Bowersox, who had a voice like Janis Joplin, lost to that wimp/pussy boy Lee, who cried every night like some kind of baby. Crystal was way the fuck better than him.

I stopped watching after that season, but I am told the final boiled down to a rather mediocre guy vs a very talented and pretty gal.

In both instances, the guy won because women are jealous of anyone pretty and vote based on their emotions as opposed to the facts.

The same may apply in the presidential elections, but as I said, it would seem as if the powers that be want the more bellicose, war mongering anti Iran/Syria candidate in power, and nothing seems to stop them from getting their way, the will of the majority be damned. Collapse is imminent regardless of which of the 2 asswipes gets selected

Will you admit then, that women should have never been given the right to vote?

I'm not asking to take it away from them now, nor for you to tell your wife your observations, just asking for a meeting of minds, a sympathy of quiet almost unspoken resolve that next time around, if there is to be a next time, we wont give it to them since they are obviously unfit - as are most men as well.

got that last part a little off: 'what the fuck, i was thinking...' i mean, if you re ok with sharing somebody else's pussy...and you ve heard the expression about the sauce, right? how far out of town did you say she was...?

What should fill you with despair and forboding, Vlad is not the Mexican immigration executive order, but the fact that it WAS an executive order. Our freedoms are being blatently taken away as the executive branch of the government is well on its way to being a dictatorship; it now acts unilaterally. I say shame on our citizenry who have bartered their freedoms for pseudo-security, and who will act surprised when they wake up one morning to find the Republic has gone away.

One last thing. I am against taxation at all. Let people keep all the money they earn and spend it in a way they chose. What a breath of freedom that would be. No more IRS, no more foreign interventionsism, no more funds for the "war on drugs". I favor minimal government. A brief look at those who want big government: Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Moa Tse Tung, Ronald Reagan, and now, Obama....their records and deeds speak for themselves.

MOA

I would pay someone to start an affair with my wife, to get her off my fucking back, but that's another story. Off to work.

shudder...i just caught my first real look at rmoney at a stumper- the muthafuckah is goddamned ignorant...i mean low IQ stupid...i don t want either 'bomber OR rmoney; i REALLY don t want mitt "bain drain" r$, but i am suddenly scared shitless that s who has been selected: there are plenty of stupid americans, enough that there is some chance they don t even have to steal it like dumbya & dickface did...CURSES!!

Check out this address by Enoch Powell. Note the etraordnary clarity of mind and charity towards all. Without geting into racial differences - which he claims not to have beleved in - he still comes to exactly the same conclusions as White Nationalists. He does't even get into cultural differences, which the European Right is big on. Rather he focuses on the logic of difference and the power that it brings - whether desired or not. Fascinating and valid.

Needless to say, he is on the side of the Native British. Only the Bucks of the world will blame him for that.

http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/06/the-road-to-national-suicide/#more-27909

We are not aware of their own happiness because we don't know some painful disappointment grief at separation and joy in union is happy not to know the happiness, but we are sometimes too greedy some are doomed to lose some fate is never have the result love a person does not necessarily have to have a person must go to love him sometimes will think if can do it how well does again when perhaps does not necessarily just as one wishes not necessarily must not lose our life is decreed by fate destined to follow some life that should not walk in love the people love to do some things not to do but the final outcome is that we never had so as to love a person to pursue love only to find a somewhere in the parts of their love and to be loved because we know themselves would be those who we loved only to breed our life a lot of beautiful re-creation but may not repeat the past.
You tooGo therefore every time we experience the wonderful feelings or physical regardless of our life is the first time are also the last time and maybe some words can never do you expect from a person's
mouth to say but when some people from the bottom of my heart to speak out these words even if you do not go away for us a commitment to move but also fear a load-bearing covenant when we have when we
always complain about not something when we lose we forget what happened what we fear the years do not know how good we thought the survival has no meaning many people are struggling between life and death
is not trivial memories after years of magic even more touching than that day and I think life itself is actually a kind of magic are one of those people who always kept looking to find how many lifetimes
still single and I know who are right that people just want to have the world's most perfect things such as the heart at ease soft berthBecause of suffering in our understanding of the people of God more

Somehow, I can't picture Romney as the POTUS, but then again, I couldn't imagine Bush 2 as president back in 2000.

The sad fact is that our country has been taken over by the minions of a visionary group of greedy, amoral, power-hungry people who want to eliminate the concept of countries and replace it by rule of a global cadre of excessively rich and powerful persons. They want to social-engineer the entire planet.

The idea of a focused group guiding the direction of our civilization in certain directions, in theory, isn't necessarily bad. Except it really is because who has the right to decide the fate of others without their say so? And who decides whether that group has the moral strength to carry out that plan in a manner that will benefit the most people possible?

From what I have observed, TPTB don't care about us (the middle class) and have no qualms about using the poor (or what we call the lower-class) as a disruptive force to gain power and wealth for themselves (the so-called elite).

The true irony is that nations and sovereign borders would disappear on their own as advancing technology elicits major changes that make them obsolete.

Of course - I mentioned that aspect earlier. It's important and the Liberals have been the best fighters against it since 9/11.

That you have no problem with much of America becoming Mexican is weird and tragic - just like your worship of Blacks especially reptiles like Miles Davis.

Being a hipster has some really bad consequences, evidently. The love of pleasue leads to degeneration in general. And of course as Plato said, certain musics are particularly softening or corruptig. Jazz, Blues, Rock, Punk, Rap - all focus attention on the body and lower feelings too much. Where Rock fades into Folk is acceptable since telling a story becomes the focus rather than raw sexuality or aggression. You need Marching Music as a remedial perhaps. And certainly Classical in the long term since your aren't the Folk type. Don't blame you since Folk has wandered far from its roots. I really mean Bluegrass - not even Country at this point.

Cultures always have both Court and Folk or popular music. Both are good and necessary.

Sorry - I conflated you and Buck together into a BillBuck creature. The musical parts are only for him. The first two paragraphs are all your's but belong to him too.

Not really trying to destroy Asoka.

Good choice. You would be frustrated.

As he or she pointed out, I am new here but quite frankly, when someone states they are smarter than Dmitry Orlov

I did not just state I am smarter than Orlov, I demonstrated it and provided proof.

So far, no one has refuted my argument or provided any evidence to the contrary, which does not surprise me as this is an opinion blog that does not respect facts or peer-reviewed sources, or scholarly sources. But a TV ad of a local salesman or an anonymous, non evaluated, constantly changing crowd-created source that can be edited by any Tom, Dick, or Harry carries weight!

guess you know you are driving the price up: going rate starts at $750/day plus 50% of any liquor bills (think of it as my half of the whiskey you re buying- expenses, dontcha know) and i accept gold or silver certificates as payment...still seem worth it?!

Vlad, the mind is a coward, and has to be a coward because it doesn't have any substance. It is empty and hollow, afraid of everything. And basically it is afraid that one day you may become aware.

That fear keeps people away from meditation, makes them enemies of people like me who are trying to spread something of meditation, dance, and laughter, some way of awareness and witnessing. They become antagonistic to me - not without any reason - their fear is well-founded.

The problem is that people don't know what gays DO - and thus have no conception of the ruinious effects on both body and mind. Here, Kramps - an article about the disastrous effects of the so called Gay Lifestyle. You can exect a lifespan 20 years less than Straight Men. So quit it. The Church teaches than Gays are called towards lives of chastity.

http://politicalvelcraft.org/2012/06/16/bankers-milking-harvey-milk-obamas-u-s-epidemic-of-pornography-a-national-emergency/

I would pay someone to start an affair with my wife, to get her off my fucking back,
============

"Take my wife, please" - Henny Youngman

You're putting on airs. What you describe is at best the begining of spiritual life. You have outer intoxication - which is easy for the young and a forced effort for the old. It's long past time for you to develop inner intoxication and outer sobriety.

This is why some Sufis look down on music and in any case, tend to regulate it carefully. They don't want people getting cheap highs from something that should be mostly internal. Ditto Chaitanya who used to throw people out of kirtans.

CORRECTION
which does not surprise me as this is an opinion blog dedicated to light banter for comedic entertainment.

Good News!!! July has been declared "Gay Pride Month" throughout the entire US Armed forces by Secretary of Defense Panetta. There will be parades, special ceremonies and parties. And the good news doesn't end there. There has been some confusion whether or not female "soldiers" can nurse their babies on military installations while in uniform. Well, the answer to that question is a resounding "YES"!! No problem. Nurse away!

I was wondering if the Russian Spetznatz or those elite Chinese Marine Battalions, in a spirit of comraderie, will be celebrating "Gay Pride Month" as well, or if they are worried about female "soldiers" nursing their babies while on duty? Does anybody know?

--WSP7

Yes, The US is finished.
I mean when some ahole 5star? gerul says 'the real loser could be diversity [fold hands in prayer]
and over the same carnage TPOTUS says 'dont rush to judgement'.
Gdamn.

My first thought about women that want to serve in front line combat units is why would you want to? Someone has to maintain our neurotic culture while the men go get splattered away from home. The last time I checked, the Russians don't play that shit. Can't comment on Chinese policy, but I do know that now that they have satellites and a rapidly expanding blue water navy, we are just as rapidly losing our really big stick technological advantages.

"I'm gonna whip you boy for your disrespect and blasphemy."

It's 7:15 AM where I am and that post is one of the first things I've seen today. Vlad, don't you know that disrespect and blasphemy is the Breakfast of Champions. Gonna fix me a huge, steamin' bowl of it now.

What you don't know will hurt you….

From Fukushima with love…..

This past week I was perusing the web when I found this article on opednews. Unfortunately the article has been removed, but I did copy it for my own files. I am copying the most important parts of the article:

[A Radioactive Nightmare by Michael Collins As fallout from Fukushimia heads our way, the government turns a blind eye.

Millions of Southern Californians and tourists seek the region's famous beaches to cool off in the sea breeze and frolic in the surf. Those iconic breezes, however, may be delivering something hotter than the white sands along the Pacific.

Buckyballs.
According to a recent U.C. Davis study, uranium-filled nanospheres are created from the millions of tons of fresh and salt water used to try to cool down the three molten cores of the stricken reactors. The tiny and tough buckyballs are shaped like British Association Football soccer balls.
Water hitting the incredibly hot and radioactive, primarily uranium-oxide fuel turns it into peroxide. In this goo buckyballs are formed, loaded with uranium and able to move quickly through water without disintegrating.



High radiation readings in Santa Monica and L.A. air during a 42-day period from late December to late January strongly suggest that radiation is increasing in the region including along the coast in Ventura County.

The radiation, detected by this reporter and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, separate from each other and using different procedures, does not appear to be natural in origin. The EPA's radiation station is high atop an undisclosed building in L.A. while this reporter's detection location is near the West L.A. boundary.

 Both stations registered over 5.3 times normal, though the methods of sampling and detection differed. The videotaped Santa Monica sampling and testing allowed for the detection of alpha and beta radiation while the sensitive EPA instrument detected beta only, according to the government website.

A windy Alaskan storm front sweeping down the coast the morning of March 31 slammed Southern California with huge breakers, a choppy sea with 30-foot waves and winds gusting to 50 mph. A low-hanging marine layer infused with sea spray made aloft from the chop and carried on the winds blew inland over the L.A. Basin for several miles bringing with it the highest radiation this reporter has detected in hot rain since the meltdowns began, over five times normal…

Coverage of contamination in America and Southern California has been practically non-existent.]

I swear I just can't win. I recently took a leave of absence from LA to be with my family in Ft. Wayne, Indiana. Apparently, on June 6, there was some kind of nuclear incident in the nearby city of South Bend. Don't know much about it yet but you better believe I've been looking.

"...disrespect and blasphemy is the Breakfast of Champions. Gonna fix me a huge, steamin' bowl of it now."

X.,
Had a hankerin' for something, but I couldn't quite put my finger on it.
Thanks for the suggestion; sounds like the very thing to start the day right! Dig in!

"High radiation readings in Santa Monica and L.A. air during a 42-day period from late December to late January strongly suggest that radiation is increasing in the region including along the coast in Ventura County.

" -BT/LB [copy of report]

...And the "good folks" are all kvetching and besmearing themselves with fecal matter about the Messicans taking the joint over. This is what happens when priorities are misplaced (intentionally or no).

Keeping us squabbling about stupidities and irrelevancies is an old game and seems to have been honed to a keen edge in the age of teevees' instant delivery of patented bullshittery (tm MM).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff3V8nkid2E&feature=fvwrel

Brrrr....

me too! me too! since O3 has sloppy seconds, how about we just gangbang the ignorant nazi and be done widdit...?!

"We welcome you to Assoka Land
Fala la la la la la la la la la..."

Brilliant. I nominate for Post of the Week. A prestigious award, to be sure.

Damn, I wuz just gettin' warmed up. But, there are deer on the porch and Mom wants breakfast. A cowboy's work is never done. I almost miss radioactive LA. Almost. Now be sure to use the Wehrmacht Grey condoms. He seems to get the most pleasure out of those. Especially the ones with the Henry Kissinger tips. 'Be back soon. BIG SMILE!! I mean Zieg Heil!!

We might never know, but we'll ask again:
Just how gay IS the little laddie in lederhosen?
Does he secretly want it big and black; could that be the "root" of the denial and dissonance? Remember the various incidences of anti-homolove preachers and the tumescent skeletons residing in their closets and beneath the cushions of their "couches". ;o)


Note to passersby:
We will be returning you to the lad and Soakie Show shortly. Do not adjust your mind.

X,

That's pretty scary--again in this inverted communist system of no regulations and no transparency we are left with no information about the things that are effect us.

O.and X.

My guess is that the Nuc energy companies are being protected cuz they want to build more and they don't want public opinion to go against their ability to make big bucks and big govt bucks.

The new definition of democracy is that those who make the most money deserve it and inequality is an important element to make it work.
The new definition of religion is that those who make the most money are doing "God's work"---Yep they determine who shall live and who shall die!

Earlier this week I mentioned that Jordan is going to have their first nuc plant built by a company for Japan or Russia---the 2 biggest nuc fiascoes occurred in those 2 countries---talking about disconnect!

Scott,
Some very interesting musings and speculations on Chinese financial legerdemain that you might find intriguing:

http://theautomaticearth.com/Finance/goodness-gracious-great-walls-on-fire.html

"...At a certain point in your life, you're ready to sing certain songs." -Glen Hansard


damn, how did i miss the (dis)connection?! i read something about that too, and just thought it stupid on general principles...

While waiting patiently for my turn to check out in line at the grocery store yesterday I couldnt help but notice how well dressed the woman was in front of me. She was well manicured, hair was well maintained, her jewelry and clothing was obviously high quality. I was certain she was going to pull out an EBT card to pay, and sure enough, when the cashier said, "that will be $356" she whipped out the good ole' red white and blue EBT card and swiped it.

After paying for my $75 in groceries she was still loading her $356 worth in a 2012 Acura TL.

"Earlier this week I mentioned that Jordan is going to have their first nuc plant built by a company for Japan or Russia---the 2 biggest nuc fiascoes occurred in those 2 countries---talking about disconnect!"

Ah-boey.
Will extinction be end of the glorious Quest For Profit?
(No wonder the fervid belief in the afterlife these rancid days; it gives foolish assholes "someplace else to go" that's pristine, worry-free and gold-plated to boot! Wait... will brown folk be allowed entry? What's that you say? Just to clean the rooms? Well, I guess that's okay then.)

Well now, that EBT allows properly-coiffed persons to maintain their lifestyles of conspicuous consumption! (Lawd knows, we need good examples to follow. ;o)

GeeDubya's exhortation to "go out and spend" has finally come to its' bitter fruition. Update that wardrobe while we're at it!

Scott,
Some very interesting musings and speculations on Chinese financial legerdemain that you might find intriguing:

Prior to the economic downturn in '08 these same deflationist's were saying interest rates were the great mechanism that would endlessly prevent very high rates of inflation due to excess government spending. Now they are spewing that government debt can never cause high inflation because of some nonsense about velocity of money.

Deflation or I should say, the threat of deflation is the only thing preventing very high rates of inflation.

For the same reasons that Central bankers are artificially keeping interest rates low which is to make financing these debts possible are the same reasons they will not allow a deflationary collapse. Either way we are facing collapse but governments will choose the poison of inflation over deflation. What is to stop China from gradually implementing some social safety net programs?

I am certain that all of the deflationist's are shills for the status quo. Maybe we should start referring to them as Asoka's?

O.,
As W. once said, "Sometimes money trumps everything".
I guess that covers all things including life.

we are just as rapidly losing our really big stick

Only cowards and bullies walk around threatening others with big sticks.

Freedom is walking without fear without needing a big stick.

God damn big stick America. (Rev. Wright had it right)

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But, NOW, you've gone and done it.
You've validated an asoka.obsession, fraudulent though it asoka.is.

Because the fact is, that Wikipedia is far more trustworthy than is "peer-reviewed" research, when such research is found on the open internet.

Consider the case of "Hi yo, Silver."
"Whenever the Lone Ranger mounts Silver, he shouts, "Hi-yo, Silver! Away!" Besides sounding dramatic, this shout originally served to tell the radio audience that a riding sequence was about to start.:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone_Ranger

In the world of reality, where some of us still attempt to live - I challenge ANYONE to show us a Wikipedia entry that is wrong in some substantive way, today.

That would prove asoka.correct.

Which is logically impossible.

"I was certain she was going to pull out an EBT card to pay, and sure enough,...."
-scott-

Some good posts from you this week, Scott.

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I think a lot of the "tax cutting fervor?" among Reliable Repub voters who consistently ignore their own economic and tax situation when they vote -

A lot of this fervor is due to all the Government Giveaways. Since productive meaningful politics has failed in this Country - the thinking goes that "Drowning the govt. in a bathtub" is the only way to go.

So much misplaced energy.
It's a shame, really.

But it is also VERY effective PR and thaumaturge, on the part of our media, both political parties, and those rascally PTB.

You summarized: “I suspect, rather, that the refusal to recognize and deal with the end of progress will become a massive social force in the decade or so ahead of us, and that the great divide in American society during those years will not be the one between left and right, or between rich and poor, but between those who have accepted history’s verdict on our fantasy of perpetual progress, on the one hand, and those who cling to the fantasy despite all disconfirmations, on the other”.
Couple of good comments to this week's JMG entry, speaking of thaumaturge.

This one is from "yupped:"
".....If you look closely, you can begin to see fractures along those lines across various segments of society now: “eco-liberals” who are pretty horrified at the idea of living in a Tiny House; pro-business/foreign expansion Republicans vs the Ron Paul wing; Millennial teens who aren’t buying (literally) the driving and shopping lifestyle. Even our local Garden Club has a fierce rift between organic and pro-pesticide members. The logic of resource depletion says these fractures have to grow, and could well become a defining realignment. It would certainly be interesting in ten years to see today’s staunch “conservatives” and “liberals” holding hands as they coalesce into the “Let’s Keep The Stuff” party. " -yupped-

And you'll like this one LB/BT:

"...The reporter brought up a predicament at the state capital, where the municipality is in such a shortfall with their budget, that they're voting to sell a large parking lot and draw $600,000 from a savings account to cover the quarterly mismatch.
I thought to myself, "Wow! This is ~exactly~ what peak oil and industrial collapse looks like! And yet barely anyone is doing anything about it... 'just keep drawing down reserves.'" I then shut off the radio, chatted with the friendly farmer I was purchasing the straw....."
-mark somethingoranother on archdruid-

OK, that's it for me for a while.
I now you return you to the usual:
asoka.illogic and
self-referential Jewish.freedom.from.criticism
and, of course
chinese.spam
Bye, but not bi

Ouch!
Pretty soon, we're talking about UNreal money.

One of the great obfuscations of our time is the confusion of debt with money. The fact is our money is debt and our debt is money. The only thing that allows debt to be considered money is confidence. The "backing" of our money is debt.

Raul Pal say's that the 70 trillion in G-10 debt isn't the problem per se, the real problem is the 70 trillion in G-10 debt is collateral for 700 trillion in derivatives.

You might be scratching your head wondering how debt can be collateral?

Clearly we can see that there can't be a default in G-10 debt because it would result in an immediate loss of confidence in G-10 "money".

Our debt and money are one and the same.

Good points, Scott.
I'd suppose that "collateral" would be betting on the future debt-enslavement of our descendants and the skimming of their productive labors.

We should also wonder why/if these usurious "contracts" will be honored in future.

I'll check in there later on.
Thanks for the heads-up.
Buh-bye, thanks for flying 'Soakya Air...

Sick, its been estimated ILLEGALS eat a billion dollars worth of food payed for by foodstamps/ebt.

Oz, what can US Citizens do? Send a telegram to their senator?
If you think the border problem can be ignored, guess again.
See my post above this.

Can you find exactly what Neil Munro said to the President? It was something about jobs but then a huge blackout came down - no one is talking. It is the ultimate commonsense question that neither Party wants asked: Why are we importing people in when there aren't enough jobs for them?

Why are we importing people in when there aren't enough jobs for them?

There are enough jobs for them just not enough for us.

There are many small business owners who will only hire non-citizens. I would rather see the focus of illegal immigration on the middle aged White male and female small business owners who only hire undocumented workers rather than focusing on the undocumented workers.

Prior to the economic downturn in 2008 it was, "legal" to hire undocumented workers by filling out a simple waiver that showed the unemployment rate below a certain level and an insufficient number of available workers in the area to fill the positions.

Today it doesn't matter how many people are available, these middle aged White, typically Libertarian small business people still only want to hire illegal immigrants. Their businesses profitability is largely a result of arbitraging the worlds excess supply of labor. Small business owners can screw illegal workers over and there is an almost infinite supply ready to take their place.

Homosexuality is just SO cool, right Zone? You want in, you can't resist things like that. You want to glorify yourself by being "in" with the right issues and people like Blacks and Gays. But the homosexual lifestyle is a disease lifestyle and it takes twenty years off their lives.

But you don't care. Cool is everything to retards like you. How does one get to be so fucked up? Were you born this way?

That's an aspect too. And even businesses that don't want to hire them have to in order to stay competitive. Just one of the many reasons Libertarianism is pie in the sky crap despite its many good points. And the idiots keep electing John McCain despite his track record for open borders.

The governments role is significant because they have a vested interest in a steady stream of new workers. That vested interest is the governments need to continuously expand regardless of what is in the best interest of citizens.

And Be said with an inanely glib grandiosity (as if she was the first to ever express such sentiments), I have nothing against other groups of people. There you have it folks, the ultimate word on the immigration crisis.

Also she reminds us, think of the products they bring - the different styles of cooking! As if every Mexican was a chef or at least toting guacamole. Is it all a bit much though? Sure, it's the Corporations fault for corrupting the Goverment. That's why our system is "broken". So to sum up: she has no problem with the effect, namely massive numbers of immigrants, but only the cause, the Corporations. Evidently the Goverment (Democratic Party) is fundamentally innocent in all this.

The Disease is the Corporations. The Symptom, massive numbers of immigrants, doesn't matter much, in fact - it's pretty good because of the Mexican Food. She refuses to see that whatever the cause, the Symptom itself is deadly, a deal breaker, the end of our Nation and the begining of something else entirely. How does one get to such blindness, blind one?

And they prefer non Whites so as to weaken the fundamental fabric of America. Only by thus dividing can they conquer. Tryants are ever the same, eh?

And they prefer non Whites so as to weaken the fundamental fabric of America.

Not really worth it to try to prove that case, it just is what it is.

There is no economic model waiting in the wings(that anyone will agree on) so we are stuck with this one until it collapses.

The fact is White demographics leveled off and perhaps started declining 50 years ago. If there was such a thing as a White territory then Whites would simply be migrating from one territory to another. There is no growth in White people to support growth of a debt based economic models need for growth in people so non-Whites are a requirement.

I think you are tilting up the wrong windmills here Vlad.

THE RACE REPLACEMENT PROJECT....
AND IN EUROPE ITS WORSE THAN IN USA, A WHOLE LAYER DEEPER.

THE RACE REPLACEMENT PROJECT....

...makes it sound like there is some nefarious plot to replace one race with another. If there wasn't a profit in it because of the flaws in our economic model then it wouldn't be happening.

Well intentioned liberals, as ignorant as they may be are well down the foodchain for blame here.

A little late for that - you outed yourself as bi earlier this year. Or at least bi by necessity - as if a man MUST ejaculate and he MUST involve another person in this or face dire consequences both physical and mental.

Prog - those consequences are just an idea in your mind. As is all desire except the basic of food, sleep, company etc.

So we need 400,000,0000 by 2050? That's what they're shooting for. There is no rationale that explain it except that they're trying to make us powerless and ultimately wipe out via the slow genocide of miscegenation.

In the lower plains they used to have the cattle drives. The cattle lived by themselves most of the year so they had to be strong with long legs and big horns. Thus the Texas Longhorn. Once that model ended, they didn't need such strong, dangerous cattle anymore so they were gotten rid of. Whites are the Longhorns, now scheuled for replacement. These lesser ones wont demand a Republican Form of Goverment you see. That's dangerous.

Studies show that the more education a woman has, the less children she bears. White women who have at least a high school education has increased here in the states for about 60 years or more. Hence, you see a steady decline of white births from about 1957 to present. Meanwhile the amount of immigrants as well as black women from Africa and the Caribbean in the U.S. has increased exponentially since that time. Sadly, their education levels are no where near that of the white women, so what we see is a massive increase in the amount of non-white children being born to these undereducated women.

When you cannot read or process a sustained thought for more than a few seconds at best, you are ripe for being taken advantage of physically, emotionally, and sexually. The non-white population has exploded due to the fact that the countries where these people emigrate from actively discourage women having any control over their minds or bodies. It is not uncommon for women from Mexico, South America, Africa, India, etc. to have 13-16 children. And then they immigrate to the United States to get their free bennies. Hmmmmh....let's see, sit in a mud hut in South America, sifting through garbage for my next meal for me and my 8 kids or come to America, where I get a free WIC card, food stamps, welfare, and rent subsidies, and drive around in a 2012 SUV (in installments). Which would you choose?

Studies show that the more education a woman has, the less children she bears.

I think those studies put too much emphasis on education rather than where it belongs which is race and affluence. The more affluent a society is the fewer children that are produced.

Some races produce more children because of thousands of years of hardship. Life expectancies in many parts of the world have been so low for so long that certain races have increased fertility rates to offset low life expectancies.


ELECTORAL VOTE COUNT

Obama extends lead over Romney:

244 Obama

191 Romney

This is very misleading. Ohio, Florida, Virginia, Colorado and probably a few other critical states are very much up in the air. In fact, yesterday's immigration announcement had the feel of desperation to be quite frank. Team Obama is obviously hoping for a huge turnout of Hispanic voters - a hope which is very tenuous based on Latino voter turnout in past elections - but he also risks alienating a large segment of independent voters, and perhaps some of the unemployed in his own party. As I said - a very DESPERATE move.

This election is going to be very close, and if the job numbers continue to decline like this past month, Romney will win.

Thanks, Scotts posts show how effective the 'Corporate Indoctrination' has been.
Cant see the forest for the trees.
Mexico has a 'release valve', its North Border.

And US$ sent back is in its top 3 markets? Oil, Narcotics and Greenbacks?

'I have nothing against other groups of people'
Great, but you know the story of the vegetarian lamb and the hungry wolf?

Was having lunch a couple of weeks ago at a Subway sandwich shop. The customer ahead of me asked if the cookies were good today. The sandwich maker said, "Yes, Becky made them just this morning and she has a culinary arts degree".

Nonsense, this is an affluent society [whats left of both of those] and our population has exploded in 50 years.
Then, whites 92%, now whites 60%?
And our society is increasingly 'turd world'.

'to be quite frank', Thanks, how could we expect less?

Sorry, I dont know who he is.
As far as our muslim leader goes.....I GIVE UP.
Between his 'stumping' for Infanticide and 3 million more anti americans..I give up.
When he is speaking on the radio, I usually turn it off.

In looking at population dynamics in Africa over the last 50 years, what do you deduce?
I say the population is exploding due to the white mans medicines, food etc.
It is set to redouble..1/2 billion to a billion to 2 billion, IF things continue like this.

Blame Melissa Gates for their misery. Yet she was only trying to help.

I say the population is exploding due to the white mans medicines, food etc.

Yes, most U.S. foreign aid over the years has been in the form of an excess abundance of corn, soybeans, wheat, rice, etc. floated down the Mississippi from America's heartland.

The excess abundance was enabled by both government subsidies and an abundance of cheap energy to fuel mechanized farming and hydrocarbon based fertilizers and pesticides. U.S. foreign aid has been declining in recent years with increased ethanol producton and possibly a general decrease in overall excess abundance.


Greece wins the race to the bottom

http://www.elliottwavetechnology.com/2012/06/quandary-of-finite-resources.html

Every country will eventually cross the "finish" line.

Hello Everyone,
I am kind of late on this one, have been busy with the garden. Best wishes to everyone, and let us all get on with the repair work.
I watch the bugs and the birds and the squirrels in my lot, and notice that they find a way to get everything that they need to survive, without killing each other needlessly. Sure there are turf battles and mating rituals, but the animals and plants seem to have worked things out pretty well.
Why do we have so many problems just dealing with basic needs? Does our self consciousness condemn us to insanity, mayhem and murder? Will it always be dog eat dog, (a bogus cliche, as dogs are not eating other dogs). Why is it that the powerful must control and subjugate the weak? Who says that this must be the way?

So the most advanced society of all would be completely sterile? As Spengler said, Civilizations rise up on hob nailed boots but descend in silk slippers. The Barbarians must be stopped - which means doing our own breeding.

Look at the Japanese: their population is plummeting. How do they intend to take care of their elderly? Who knows - they'll find a way, robotics is one. Where there is a Will there is a Way. It's all a matter of how much you want to survive. Losing that will is the essence of decadence.

Innundating your country with aliens is not a Way - just a quick path towards oblivion.

The journalist who interupted Obama yesterday by asking real questions.

The time will come when the entire human race will be a mongrel mix and we will all be some shade of tan. That has been the most popular color for interior decoration, and will be the shade that you will see on your children. Love it as you love yourself.

It has struck me as being odd that everything is being painted beige nowadays.

A nice neutral color, nothing too taste specific.

Think I'm gonna go with the Sherwin Williams Orwellian Beige for the new master bath.

I was talking NGOs...and whatever technology transfers etc have happened.
Farm Subsidies, Aid ...I say end it 100%.

Someone at Subway has a degree..where are you?
I know someone with a culinary AA [50K debt]
working 70 hours a week in restaurants.

P2C,
Thanks for directing me to that most excellent exposition.
For the Native of Michigan; hyar be the link. You can definitely sink your teeth into this one; it's what this blog is all about. The parting of the ways. How we deal with true-believing mad dogs will be "interesting". The old Chinese curse has returned with brutal irony...

http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2012/06/parting-of-ways.html

(Of course "doubling down" seems to be the path that some here will take; not doing so crushes their livelihood and cherished illusions.)


If you think it's an issue that can't be ignored, ask yourself what can be done about it, not me. (Oh, I'm sure SOMEONE will tell you exactly what to do about it, shortly.) And you certainly shouldn't expect your congresscritters to do diddly-squat about it; it's not in their interest.

Like many here, I'd take away the license to do business from anyone who HIRES illegal aliens, no exceptions or exemptions. Pretty simple really; no employment, no wherewithal for food, shelter, transportation. (Large disincentive for employers too, as you can imagine.)

Ain't gonna happen, so I'll turn my attention elsewhere.

Isn't Orwellian Beige, in fact, black [when Big Brother ain't watching]?

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what about Fukushima?

Pretty good post about Fukushima, Ibendet. Thanks for the update. It is pretty astonishing that something as important as elevated radiation levels on the west coast hardly makes the news. In earlier times (25 years ago) that would be a big story. Try to talk to a neighbor or acquaintance about Fukushima. Fukushima? That's the Japs problem. Besides, who cares about that now? That was last year. We have new stuff to worry about this year. That's the attitude I get if I bring up peak oil, and would most likely be the attitude if I brought up Fukishima.

--WSP7

This is very misleading. Ohio, Florida, Virginia, Colorado and probably a few other critical states are very much up in the air.

Buck Stud, it is not misleading. It is very clear.

The way presidents are elected are not by Gallup polls or popular votes. Presidents are elected by the Electoral College.

Since I posted Obama has been campaigning hard and Obama has made some unilateral decisions which have tipped the electoral count even more in his favor.

When I last posted this was the count:

Obama's lead over Romney's 191:

244 Obama

Today the count is this:

260 Obama further extends his lead

As more states turn clearly for Obama, his lead will extend even further over Romney.

Virginia is today leaning toward Obama.

Florida, Colorado, and Ohio are toss-ups at this point.

what about Fukushima?
===========

Oh, fook fuckushima!

Saw Prometheus tonight with the "misses"...a poor man's Alien.

Asoka, I thought you backed Jill Stein? So why are you shilling for Obama? How is Ms Stein's campaign going, anyway?

--WSP7

To all the idiots, like Q. and E., who criticized me for making a one-day prediction about the DOW (that it would bounce back Tuesday, as it did), to all those who said you can't make a judgement about the Spanish bailout based on a one-day rise in the DOW, we now have five days data and the DOW has finished the week with a 1.70% INCREASE. OH, HOW SCARY THE SPANISH BAILOUT WAS FOR THE MARKETS!

BTW, the year-to-date change in the DOW is a 4.50% INCREASE. Oh, how scary are these times we live in!

The one-year change in the DOW is a 7.31% INCREASE.

But you guys don't give a shit about real-world data, nor are you smart enough to get a 12.25% real-world inflation-adjusted profit on your assets -- without playing risky games in the "financial industry"

You are not smart about money. You are not smart about predictions of EuroZone collapse. (E. said it was "crunch time" back in Oct. 2011, giving us days before the collapse.

But you are great at name-calling.

WSP7, who are you thinking of voting for in the presidential race? Do you think we will have a presidential election in November? When do you think collapse will happen? How long do you think it will take for this country to be in such chaos that nothing normal, like planned elections, will be happening anymore?

SEE 'SARAH MAID OF ALBION' FOR A WRITE UP.

CAN YOU RELINK?
Im not even sure of LBs new 'handle'.

WSP7, apparently you missed my post to Deacon in which I gave an update on the Green Party progress and Dr. Stein's victories in the primaries.

http://kunstler.com/blog/2012/05/ponzis-end.html#comment-222880

Rather than retype it, you can just click on the link above and read my original post on Dr. Stein.

...why are you shilling for Obama?

WSP7, I had to look up the definition of shill because I did not understand your question.

shill: An accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others.

I still don't know exactly what you are implying by the word "shilling" but I reject any suggestion that I am an accomplice of Obama or that I am a "shill" (one would think publicly calling on CFN for Obama's arrest, prosecution, and imprisonment for war crimes would dispel any notion that I am a shill for Obama.)

A shill, plant, or stooge is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing that he has a close relationship with that person

If that is what you meant, then your suggestion that I am shilling is both incorrect and offensive. Please be careful with your choice of words.


There you go again, confusing the stock market for the real economy. Even Yahoo's normally cowed pundits are starting to tell the truth: 1) The economy has no vitality and people are staying in jobs forever because of the stark reality of unemployability if they leave their current job, esp. over-40s, 2) Joe Stiglitz has shown that the USA has the LEAST opportunities of social mobility (a.k.a. opportunity for upward movement) of all the industrial powers on EARTH.

So while you're exclaiming victory because of the frigging Dow, people who get out of their fucking houses now and then and who observe the real life in the street know that the USA has ALREADY STRUCTURALLY MORPHED INTO A BANANA REPUBLIC.

It's "thinking" like yours that makes me skip 99.9% of your posts except when it's obvious that you need to be metaphorically knocked on your ass. The US is in a STRUCTURAL depression that is NEVER going to end because, as a culture, we've embraced piggishness, militant stupidity, and wholesale abandonment of old-school morality.

Every time you come up with one of these "It's All Good" posts it makes me laugh my ass off because it just re-proves, every time, the notion that your entire life is utterly divorced from what is going on in the towns, cities, and states of the USA. But why should that be any surprise when you spend most of your days and nights writing your "observations" which are, in fact, the thoughts of everybody but yourself and even those thoughts of others are just simple distillations you glean from the Internet.

As a social and economic being, you remain one of the most clueless and arrogant beings I've ever encountered on any blog, anywhere, any time.


E.


WSP said:

Asoka, I thought you backed Jill Stein? So why are you shilling for Obama? How is Ms Stein's campaign going, anyway?
***********************************************************

See my post about Asoka immediately above. Why do you, WSP, and so many others give this intellectual chameleon the MINDSHARE that you do? It has fucked up this entire blog. Each week, after the early Monday brainiacs make their one post for the week, most days see 60% of this blogs traffic devoted to Asoka's posts and to responses to his posts.

This guy is an eel. He changes his opinions and then changes them back and calls you a liar. He's only done that about a thousand times. He satirizes the doomsters by pointing out that the Dow hasn't submerged and then two days later he talks about how we're doomed because of our warmongering.

We're doomed and we're not doomed. It's the essence of who he is because his goal here on CFN is mainly to nitpick his way into "winning" arguments. Until he goes, this blog is SHIT. Period. The sober thinkers like Michigan will never hold sway as long as this guy types 90% more lines than anyone else.


E.

Correct.
You've outlined an attitude that's going to get wound tighter and tighter. "If I don't acknowledge it, it can't hurt me." This is the mindset of the born victim.

The Archdruid has cut right through that Gordian Knot. "The Secret" happy-talk bullshit may sell well, but its' application is simply magical/delusional thinking.

I've always thought this way of structuring ones' life to be dangerous to the "end user".

This is indeed the age of "the parting of the ways". We can't be responsible for those who refuse to see what is incessantly poking them in the chest.
Sure, I tend to tone down the doom talk when around folks I perceive to be don't-harsh-my-mellow-dood types, but in the end, I give us hard-bitten louts better odds. Unless, that is, the nuke power plants go down through the inability to maintain them. See any decommissioning going on in the good ol' FUSA? (Or some other result of Mans' mind-boggling hubris.) The betting parlor then closes its' doors, permanently.

I feel the need to add some further muddy-ing, and ask this question.

What happens to the brown-ish people, the gay-ish people, the immigrated people, the religion-istas, ALL the 'uman beans when trapped the same sinking boat?
(I don't think there's time/political will to re-order the seating chart, do you?)

There are those who contend this would be the ideal time to get their freak on. Careful of how you order your priorities (not to mention, your freak).

...trapped IN/ON the same...

Re: Fukushima

You can't ignore birth defects and cancer!

Sure I can! ...Until it happens to me and mine; then it's a REAL thing all of a sudden.

Happy Dad's Day, All!
(If it's Dad's Day, it means I'm off to Huckleberry Hill, as per usual.)


One moment immortalized:

Yesterday, Famed photo journalist, David Hume Kennerly posted a story on Facebook linking us to his colleague, David Burnett's article in the Washington post of missing the big shot. "Forty years after ‘napalm girl’

We all remember the Nick Ut shot of children running from the napalm attack outside a small village in Vietnam, so emblematic of the horror of war. Passing the test of time,it nudges our minds back to the awful price of waging war. It remains one of the iconic photos of Vietnam.

Burnett reflects on the moment that might have been his as he shares with us the crucial moment, when was loading his camera while the shot got away from him.

It's the great feat of any photo journalist to be there at the right moment, ready to shoot what would describe to millions of people what it was like to be there. The old saying a picture is worth a thousand words is true!

I wonder how many stories are never told.

Happy Father's day--guys!
Hope you all get treated good.



  深秋,露寒风冷,寒蝉凄彻,北风肆无忌惮地摇撼着老树,在光秃秃的树梢上怪叫,地上枯黄的落叶,被风卷起,在空中打着旋儿,刚落下又被卷起……

  人的脸上尽是寒意。

  我和妈妈走在清静的街上。天很冷,即使穿着厚厚的毛衣,北风依然从毛衣的小孔里钻进来,直逼人心。看着一片被风卷过身旁的落叶,我不由地想:又是一个难熬的冬天!

  这时,远远地出现一个单薄的背影,孤清地坐在地上。

  和着寒风,我们快步走上前去,那背影渐渐清晰……

  那是个乞丐。她约摸30来岁,眉间脸上却满布着岁月的沧桑。她身上只穿着单薄的衣服,在寒风中微微颤抖。

  又一阵风吹过,她把怀中的婴儿搂紧了些。那大概是她的儿子吧,用两张被子裹着,偎依在他母亲的怀里。或许说,是母亲偎依在他身上,她紧紧地靠着孩子,搂得很紧,恨不得把自己的体温分给孩子一半,却忘却了自己依然坐在这冰冷剌骨的地上,自己还在颤抖……

  这时,又一阵北风带着落叶从我们身旁呼啸而过,简至草佛之而色变,木遭之而叶脱,异常凄厉猛烈。

  她打了个寒颤。但是,只见她把孩子用被子又裹紧了些,然后,没有半点犹豫地脱下自己的一件外衣,轻轻地盖在孩子的身上,淘宝商城

  她的身子如晚秋之叶,抖得厉害,但眼间却是能驱逐寒冷的温暖,她注视着孩子熟睡的脸,脸上浮现出暖暖的微笑,眼底是无限的怜爱,无限温暖流……

  她抱紧孩子,从地上站起,步步走远了……只是那怀里的孩子还在睡,仿佛全然不知他面临的困境,还是他也明白,他永远也不会寒冷,因为无论有多大的风,他母亲也能替他遮挡,留给他的,只有温暖。

  寒风阵阵,突然一件衣服搭在我身上,一阵温暖。回过头来,只看到妈妈一脸温暖……

   =1

  我眼里的温暖

  ——就像在冬天里的一把火

  就像费翔唱的那一首《冬天里的一把火》,让人热血沸腾。也有人在那一寒冷冬天的夜晚,就像火一样使我的全身暖了起来。

  记得那一晚上,我上完琴课后,就坐在那石凳上等着妈妈来接我。可我等了很久都没有人来接我。这时,一道闪电路过这里,大声而清脆的声音在上空中响起,令人胆战心惊。随之就下起了滂沱大雨。下意识的我急忙跑去雨篷的下面,可是大雨依旧没有放给我,喊来了风,雨点就向我扑面而来。

  就在束手无策时,不知怎么的,雨点停止像机关枪一样的攻击。抬头一看,一位老爷爷撑着一把伞挡在我前面。

  老爷爷微笑地对我说:“姑娘,怎么冷的天还站在这里,不怕着凉吗?”听到这句话,心里一颤,不知道怎么回答他。他笑着摇摇头,见他把雨伞放在我手上,就走出雨篷。我急忙醒悟过来,撑着伞站在他身旁,对他说:“老爷爷,还是你用吧,我妈很快就会来接我的。而且您身子弱,我身体好着呢!所以这把伞还是您用吧!”说着把伞柄放在他手上。

  老人看着我,笑笑,又把伞柄放到我手上。依旧是那张笑脸,化解了我在冬天里的寒冷,就像一团火,温暖了我整个身子。

  看着他落寞的背影,冒雨走在回家的路上,我真的很想再跑过去,把伞继续递给他,但是这只是无用功,他还会继续把伞递给我。

  虽然,在这寒冷的夜晚里,好像被寒冷围着城市,吹来的还是那如刀割的风,但我的心依旧是暖洋洋的。

  在这寒冷的夜里,老爷爷就像一把火,把此时冷得不知所措的我,温暖着。那是一个难忘的夜。每每想起这件事,都让我全身暖洋洋的。

   =2

  温暖,一个多么富有魅力的字眼!温暖是什么?是一种奇妙的感觉。我愿意用自己笨拙的笔浅释温暖。因为那一次不变的回忆,一直温暖着我幼小的心田。

  那一天,天灰蒙蒙的,不见一丝阳光。就像被一个巨大的麻袋遮住了一样。。“好冷啊!”一阵刺骨的冷风迎面扑来,我不由得打了个冷颤,我多想把整个人都缩进羽绒服里暖和暖和。天越来越黑,越来越暗。就在不远处的灯光里,一个熟悉的身影伫立在风雪中。任凭风雪肆虐,她还是神情专注地望着路上的行人。

  那是妈妈在等我。我心中一颤,泛起无以名之的温暖,眼睛顿时模糊了。路灯一下子变得格外亮,把妈妈的脸庞也照得格外清晰。她焦急地看着,等着,手里抱着我的外衣,还不时跺脚,跳一下。显然,她等了很久,已经很冷了,可她还是不放弃,仍然望着远处,天已经很黑了。我向妈妈招手,她的表情豁然开朗,脸上露出了微笑。我走到妈妈面前,问到:“您不冷吗?”妈妈微微一笑说:“不冷,天冷了,把衣服穿上。”她为我穿上外衣,并用有些冻得绛紫色的手帮我拍打身上的雪花。无意间,我看见母亲头上竟“藏”着几根白发。我顿时明白,值得我骄傲的妈妈的乌发已被沉重的压力冲刷掉了灿烂的光泽。“什么时候来的?”我又问到。“来了有一个小时了。”我愣住了,真没想到妈妈会在寒风凛冽下站上一个小时!尽管我竭力忍着,泪水还是湿润了我的眼睛,模糊了我的视线,原来这就是爱。我想:母子之情,是人间最普通的感情,但也是人间最诚挚,最深沉的感情。父母为儿女,不惜倾尽精力和心血;父母为儿女,甘愿含辛茹苦。唉,我真糊涂!十二年来我却丝毫没有察觉,我是一直在父母的慈爱中长大的……

  温暖,是幸福的代名词,它象征着生活的幸福。

   =3

  1.时间的匆匆流逝,让你停不下来品味生活,至于那"快乐时刻",我很少会察觉到.

  快乐时刻,如游丝一般,如晨曦显现,如叶尖滑落的露滴,如夕阳普照,缥缈,美妙.我用尽全力去挽留过它,可毫无用途,整个世间,变得苍茫,无味.

  我希望自己的那颗孤独的心可以得到快乐事情的充实,便独自迈出闺房,走出家门,去寻觅.我找到一个石凳子坐下,拖着两腮,痴痴地望着前面,一个衣着红裙的少女如燕儿般轻盈地走过,一个回忆在我脑海中掠过----红裙子.

  天热的发了狂,教室里像蒸笼一样,尽管电扇开着也没有什么用.下课了,女生们都从课桌底下拿出了各式各样的扇子,围坐在一起,谈天说地,故事就从这里开始了.

  "哎,这天也太热了,我看足足得有三十度,你们说呢?"一个平日里最喜欢张扬自我的女孩说道.

  "是呀!至少有三十四度!"另一个女孩答道.

  "唉,明天咱们把裙子都穿来吧!怎么样?"不知从哪里冒出了这么一句.

  "这个注意不错,'阿素'你呢?也穿来吧?"

  阿素是个文笔甚佳的女生,平常总穿一些朴素的衣服.这时,大家的目光都齐刷刷地转到了独自静坐的阿素身上.

  阿素没有回答,仿佛用默然无语应了这个要求.晚上放学回家,她放下书包就飞奔向衣柜,找出上次过生日时妈妈送给她的红裙子.睡觉前,阿素满意的把裙子放在了枕边,甜甜的睡了.在梦中,她穿着红裙子在月下独舞,周围充满赞叹和羡慕的眼光.

  可,老天爷好像在和她故意开玩笑,夜里狂风四起,雷雨交加,气温骤然降低,而她却毫无察觉......

  第二天清晨,阿素穿上那条红裙子,站在镜子前,不知照了多久.出了门,阵阵冷风不断袭来,她似乎有点冷.望望天,阳光,被密不透风的云包裹住了;看看地,满是积水."现在再回家换衣服就迟到了."她忐忑不安地想,"她们会穿裙子吗?要是只有我一个人,那么......不会的,全班20多个女生,怎么也应该有一,两个的"

  来到教室,人不算多.她独坐于座位上,静静的等待着,等待着那个窗裙子女生的到来.

  教室里渐渐的热闹了起来,但却看不见一个穿裙子的."哦,你们瞧,多漂亮!"阿素知道别人在说她,也知道他们的用意,不好意思的低下了头,看了看着红的刺眼的裙子.

  "嘿,有人重整容颜,今儿穿这么漂亮!"这声音听起来不那么友好."喂,真够帅的!"这句话有些刺耳.她用力摇着头,她不相信平时穿得朴素的出了名的自己,竟会穿上这衣服.她感觉每一个角落里都充满着异样的目光.

  一个好心的女同学觉察到了阿素的心思,她对其他女同学说:"下午,我们把裙子都穿来吧!"那些善解人意的同学便答应了下来.

  下午,阿素看见自己的周围都是花花绿绿的裙子,她明白了这是怎么一回事,心中充满了欢乐与感激,最终化为了泪滴......

  天,阴的要命,但拨开云雾,可以看到一米阳光!

  后记:

  这篇文章无意在批评或讽刺什么,虽说这点点的"欢乐"也不源于我的心中,但我人为,别人的>,也是自己的>.

  2.人生的是由无数个美好的瞬间组成,瞬间是短暂的,也是永恒的;瞬间里闪烁着美丽,精彩,幸福,也包孕着悔恨,无奈和痛苦.也许,上帝给我的比别人多了那么一点点,注定我是个积极乐观的人,使我的脑中镌刻了无数幸福的瞬间……

  回首,我走过的十四个步伐,似乎不都是浑然有力的,而是有虚有实。的确,有许多东西我已淡忘,也许,是因为那些东西没有真正感动过我而已,是它们从未占据我心灵的一席之地吧?对我来说,那只不过是一些乏味的点缀。而我的生命之书中有一种情感,永远也不会被时光所稀释,它好像石墨一般稳若泰山,它是我生命之歌的主旋律——友谊。

  曾几何时,当我还是一个嗷嗷待哺的婴儿时,婴儿房中,我的床边,也同样躺着一个他;曾几何时,当我还是一个咿呀学语的幼儿时,幼儿园里,和我疯玩的,总是一个合适的玩伴:曾几何时,当我踏入学校之门,学习文化知识时,形影不离的,一直是那个同窗。而漾起我心湖圈圈涟漪的往往就是这平凡而有不平凡的友谊。

  “友谊是瞬间开放的花儿,而时间使它结果。”友谊必须倾听,友谊必须诉说,友谊必须交谈的时候双目凝视,倾听的十分贯注。友谊有时候是那样的脆弱,甚至一句不经意的言辞也会倾倒整个大厦。这个世界日新月异,在这什么都是越前卫越好的年代里,唯有友谊,保持着它古老的准则:朋友就像文物,越老越珍贵。

  人生是有惰性的,注定要有一些记忆变成一幅退色的油彩。但是,我的心不懒惰,因为友谊是我坚持的信仰,我的镜头将对准无数个温馨的瞬间上,绘成一幅永不退色的“友谊瞬间”。

  好是永存的,而揣测的美丽网网是一种幻想。总有人走过了一段年轻的岁月时,才会恍然大悟,原来追求的那种美,只是一个浪漫的虚幻。亲情,友情,爱情,总有一种情感,曾深深打动过你的心灵。去吧,透过记忆模糊的界限来重温那些温柔的瞬间,珍藏它,让那些稍纵即逝变成永恒。

  3.母亲的贺卡

  那是许多年前的事了。当年,他刚刚二十岁,跑到南方的某个城市作生意,没想到生意彻底赔了,血本无归不说,还债台高筑,连回家的路费也没有了。

  就要到春节了,他想了又想,给母亲写了最后一封信说,如果他春节不回家,可能就永远就不回来了,请老人珍重,忘掉他这个不争气的儿子吧。他那远在北方偏僻农村的母亲收到他这封沮丧又绝望的信,悲伤地哭了很久。这个世界上,她最牵挂的就是这唯一的儿子,他是她的魂啊。

  母亲找来邻居家的孩子,又从抽屉里找出了一张已经有些泛黄的贺卡,让那孩子代笔,在贺卡上歪歪斜斜地写上了一行留言:孩子,你不回家,妈也不想再活了。母亲拄着拐杖赶到几十里的镇上,把那张贺卡丢进了镇上小邮电所为那个绿漆斑驳的邮筒里。那天的雪真大呀!风也刮得呼呼做响,从村里到镇上,母亲跌了几跤,纷纷扬扬的大雪,几乎把母亲裹成了一个苯苯的雪人了。

  天刚擦黑的时候,小邮电所里的分发室里,几个人正点着几盏油灯在分拣信件。一个年轻的女营业员首先发现了那张贺卡,她说在:“咦,这张贺卡怎么没贴邮票呢?”的确,那是一张需要贴邮票的老式贺卡,已经有些发黄了,这样的贺卡早就没有用了。女营业员看了贺卡上的留言,将已举到废纸篓旁的手缩了回来,对老所长说:‘‘您看,这张没贴邮票的贺卡。’’头发灰白的老所长眯着眼睛仔细看了看那张泛黄的贺卡,一双本来就有些哆嗦的手更哆嗦了,他说:“这张贺卡就是没贴邮票,也不能退回原址,更不能扔,我们要马上把它投出去!”老所长一脸凝重的神色 第二天早上4点多,老所长就骑着他那辆和他看上去一样老的自行车上路了。本来,按照往常的习惯,这么大的雪,天气又这样冷,所里是可以不去县城送或取邮件的,七八十里的山路,白雪皑皑的,路上的积雪太厚,又很少有行人,这样的行程太危险。但老所长看着那张没贴邮票的贺卡,仿佛看见站在悬崖边上的生命啊!绝望的孩子,还有抱着仅仅一线希望的一位老母亲……老所长的眼眶湿了,他顾不上自己那天一冷就隐隐做痛的老寒腿,把那张没贴邮票的贺卡掖在贴胸的口袋里,骑上车趔趔趄趄地冒着纷纷扬扬的大雪上路了。

  天黑的时候,棉袄和眉毛上落满白雪的老所长终于感到了县城。他匆忙停好了自行车就一溜风似地跑进邮局的信件分发室。分发室的人很惊讶:“这么大的雪你还跑什么,不想要你那半拉子名命了?”老所长笑笑,就从贴身的口袋里掏出那张贺卡:“这贺卡忘贴邮票了,但它拴着两条人的命呢!说什么我们都要把它投出去!”分发室的人一一接过那张还有着老所长体温的贺卡传递着看了说:“寄,马上就寄,这张贺卡一点都不能耽误!”他们“啪”地在贺卡上砸上了鲜红的邮戳,想想,又在那贺卡的空白边缘上郑重地写下了一行黑体小字儿:这是一张很重要的贺卡,望能迅速投递!落款是:礼城县邮局全体同仁。在落款上,他们又盖上了一枚鲜红的邮戳。

  雪还是纷纷扬扬的下着,但夜里十点多,邮车上路了。这是邮车第一次走夜路,何况还飘着大雪。局长让胖胖的司机看了看贺卡问:“什么时间往市邮局送?”

  胖司机笑笑说:“您别将我的军,我还能不知到什么时候送?这张贺卡,今夜不投到市局里去,我的觉就甭想谁了!”局长拍拍司机的肩膀,招呼了两个年轻人随车一起去,再三叮嘱他们说:“今晚一定送到市局去!”

  炽亮的车灯照在地上的积雪上,比白天的阳光还耀眼,邮车冒着鹅毛大雪摇摇晃晃上路了。

  黎明时分,邮车终于停在了市邮局大门口。胖司机亲手提着那件装着这张贺卡的邮包走到分发室,市邮局的人很诧异,什么十万火急的邮件啊,竟冒着大雪和危险连夜赶来?胖司机取出那张没贴邮票的贺卡说:“赶不上你们今早的分发,今年的春节我甭想过得安稳。”市邮局的人看了贺卡,迅速分拣好,拍拍胖司机的肩膀说:“8点钟准时让它上火车,耽误了它,我们和你老兄一样心理很难踏实!”

  8点的时候,按战俘贺卡和一些邮件准时送到了远去的火车上,开始了它的新一轮传递……

  他是在四天之后的夜里收到母亲的这张贺卡的。那时他已经蜷缩在一个偏僻的小旅馆里的通铺上睡着了,睡眼惺忪的店老板叫醒了他:“有你一个邮件,我让邮递员给我叫给你就行,但邮递员非要亲手交给你。”

  跑得汗津津的邮递员说:“本来这贺卡是明天早上送的,但既然今天晚上就分到我的邮包里,今天晚上不送到你手里,我这心里就不踏实。”说着,就把那张辗转了万里的贺卡递给了他。

  “怎么,没贴邮票?”他看了看那贺卡愣了。

  “是没贴邮票,可它就这么一程一程地投递过来了。”邮递员微笑着望着他说。

  他看看贺卡母亲的留言和边缘空白处那行陌生人留下的小字,哇的一声哭了起来。旅店里的旅客听到他的号啕大哭都纷纷披衣围了过来。大家默默地传递着看了那张泛黄的、没有邮票的贺卡,默默地掏出钱放到他的面前:“回家去吧!你妈在家等你呢!”那一堆钱有10块的,有5块的,有1块的,还有角票和许多硬币,他知道,住到这地方的人,都是些经济不太宽裕的人。

  怀揣着那张贺卡,他终于踏上了北归的列车。如今,年过40的他,已是北方一个大公司的总经理了,他和善,乐于助人,似乎他开公司不是要赚钱,只是为了一种雪中送炭的施舍。他的办公桌上,总放着那张泛黄的饿用玻璃镶嵌起来的贺卡,只有他知道,爱是一个人一个人一程程一程程传递过来的,就像是一种生命的接力。当初,那么多的陌生人将爱传到他的手上每吧爱传下去,那是他唯一的任务。那张贺卡没有邮票,但曾经被许多陌生的爱心传递给他了。爱,是一种通行于生命的唯一邮票。如果把爱的心灵一颗一颗地串起来,那世界将是多么璀璨的一串水晶啊!

  没事的时候,他常常默默凝视着那张母亲的贺卡,他的眼里常常会涌满泪水。为母亲,更为那些直到现在他仍不知道名字的人们,也许,是为了什么之间那些闪烁着爱的光芒的心灵吧!

  爱,是不会忘记的。

   4

  温暖是黑夜中的一盏指路明灯,让迷失方向的人走向光明;温暖是雪地里的一个火堆,让寒冷的人们感到扑面的热气;温暖是沙漠中稀有的一滴水,让口干舌燥的人感到甘甜……

  一句体贴的话让人温暖好久;一个关心的动作让人温暖好久;一个理解的眼神让人温暖好久……也是这以系列的形态,让我感到温暖,让世界充满温暖,www.12345gg.com,我喜欢温暖的感觉!

  这是一句让人温暖的话,买东西是要向辛苦的售货员阿姨或者叔叔问好,买完东西要礼貌的向他们说谢谢要是自己要的东西在高处需要售货员阿姨或者叔叔爬高拿的话,一定要说一些贴心的话比如:要小心啊之类的。仅仅是这样几句话,就可以让人温暖好久,那我们又和乐而不为呢?平时多注意说一些礼貌用语,一些体贴的话,一些让人温暖的话,它们可以让人有被别人关心的感觉,一种温暖的感觉。

  这是一个让人温暖的动作,当有人摔倒的时候伸出一双援助的手,当有人钢笔没水的时候,顺手把自己的钢笔递过去……这仅仅是几个简单的动作,但它却可以让人温暖好久,平时多帮助一下那些需要帮助的人,做一些帮助别人的动作,一些让人感到关爱的动作。那是一些让人温暖的动作,可以增进人与人之间友好的关系。

  这是一个让人温暖的眼神,眼睛是心灵的窗户,我们可以通过自己的眼睛向别人表达自己内心的感受。我们对别人的关心、关注、关爱、帮助……也正是这些眼神可以让我们身边的人有温暖的感觉,让我们的生活变得更加美好,让所有的人都有温暖的感受。

  我喜欢温暖的感觉,我会尽我自己所能让更多的人拥有温暖的感觉,让世界各地飘满温暖的气息。

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  底下宝玉可巧和宝钗对了点子。宝钗覆了一个“宝”字,宝玉想了一想,便知是宝钗作戏指自己所佩通灵玉而言,便笑道:“姐姐拿我作雅谑,我却射着了。说出来姐姐别恼,就是姐姐的讳‘钗’字就是了。”众人道:“怎么解?”宝玉道:“他说‘宝’,底下自然是‘玉’了。我射‘钗’字,旧诗曾有‘敲断玉钗红烛冷’,岂不射着了。”湘云说道:“这用时事却使不得,两个人都该罚。”香菱忙道:“不止时事,这也有出处。”湘云道:“‘宝玉’二字并无出处,不过是春联上或有之,诗书纪载并无,算不得。”香菱道:“前日我读岑嘉州五言律,现有一句说‘此乡多宝玉’,怎么你倒忘了?后来又读李义山七言绝句,又有一句‘宝钗无日不生尘’,我还笑说他两个名字都原来在唐诗上呢。”众人笑说:“这可问住了,快罚一杯。”湘云无语,只得饮了。大家又该对点的对点,划拳的划拳。这些人因贾母王夫人不在家,没了管束,便任意取乐,呼三喝四,喊七叫八,投票软件。满厅中红飞翠舞,玉动珠摇,真是十分热闹。顽了一回,大家方起席散了一散,倏然不见了湘云,只当他外头自便就来,谁知越等越没了影响,使人各处去找,那里找得着。 接着林之孝家的同着几个老婆子来,生恐有正事呼唤,二者恐丫鬟们年青,乘王夫人不在家不服探春等约束,姿意痛饮,失了体统,故来请问有事无事。探春见他们来了,便知其意,忙笑道:“你们又不放心,来查我们来了。我们没有多吃酒,不过是大家顽笑,将酒作个引子,妈妈们别耽心。”李纨尤氏都也笑说:“你们歇着去罢,我们也不敢叫他们多吃了。”林之孝家的等人笑说:“我们知道,连老太太叫姑娘吃酒姑娘们还不肯吃,何况太太们不在家,自然顽罢了。我们怕有事,来打听打听。二则天长了,姑娘们顽一回子还该点补些小食儿。素日又不大吃杂东西,如今吃一两杯酒,若不多吃些东西,怕受伤。”探春笑道:“妈妈们说的是,我们也正要吃呢。”因回头命取点心来。两旁丫鬟们答应了,淘宝商城,忙去传点心。探春又笑让:“你们歇着去罢,或是姨妈那里说话儿去。我们即刻打发人送酒你们吃去。”林之孝家的等人笑回:“不敢领了。”又站了一回,方退了出来。平儿摸着脸笑道:“我的脸都热了,也不好意思见他们。依我说竟收了罢,别惹他们再来,倒没意思了。”探春笑道:“不相干,横竖咱们不认真喝酒就罢了。”

  正说着,只见一个小丫头笑嘻嘻的走来:“姑娘们快瞧云姑娘去,吃醉了图凉快,在山子后头一块青板石凳上睡着了。”众人听说,都笑道:“快别吵嚷。”说着,都走来看时,果见湘云卧于山石僻处一个石凳子上,业经香梦沉酣,四面芍药花飞了一身,满头脸衣襟上皆是红香散乱,手中的扇子在地下,也半被落花埋了,一群蜂蝶闹穰穰的围着他,又用鲛帕包了一包 药花瓣枕着。众人看了,又是爱,又是笑,忙上来推唤挽扶。湘云口内犹作睡语说酒令,唧唧嘟嘟说:

  泉香而酒冽,玉盏盛来琥珀光,直饮到梅梢月上,醉扶归,却为宜会亲友。

  众人笑推他,说道:“快醒醒儿吃饭去,这潮凳上还睡出病来呢。”湘云慢启秋波,见了众人,低头看了一看自己,方知是醉了。原是来纳凉避静的,不觉的因多罚了两杯酒,娇袅不胜,便睡着了,心中反觉自愧。连忙起身扎挣着同人来至红香圃中,用过水,又吃了两盏酽茶。探春忙命将醒酒石拿来给他衔在口内,一时又命他喝了一些酸汤,方才觉得好了些。

  当下又选了几样果菜与凤姐送去,凤姐儿也送了几样来。宝钗等吃过点心,大家也有坐的,也有立的,也有在外观花的,也有扶栏观鱼的,各自取便说笑不一。探春便和宝琴下棋,宝钗岫烟观局。林黛玉和宝玉在一簇花下唧唧哝哝不知说些什么。只见林之孝家的和一群女人带了一个媳妇进来。那媳妇愁眉苦脸,也不敢进厅,只到了阶下,便朝上跪下了,碰头有声。探春因一块棋受了敌,算来算去总得了两个眼,便折了官着,两眼只瞅着棋枰,一只手却伸在盒内,只管抓弄棋子作想,林之孝家的站了半天,因回头要茶时才看见,问:“什么事?”林之孝家的便指那媳妇说:“这是四姑娘屋里的小丫头彩儿的娘,现是园内伺候的人。嘴很不好,才是我听见了问着他,他说的话也不敢回姑娘,竟要撵出去才是。”探春道:“怎么不回大奶奶?”林之孝家的道:“方才大奶奶都往厅上姨太太处去了,顶头看见,我已回明白了,叫回姑娘来。”探春道:“怎么不回二奶奶?”平儿道:“不回去也罢,我回去说一声就是了。”探春点点头,道:“既这么着,就撵出他去,等太太来了,再回定夺。”说毕仍又下棋。这林之孝家的带了那人去不提。

  黛玉和宝玉二人站在花下,遥遥知意。黛玉便说道:“你家三丫头倒是个乖人。虽然叫他管些事,倒也一步儿不肯多走。差不多的人就早作起威福来了。”宝玉道:“你不知道呢。你病着时,他干了好几件事。这园子也分了人管,如今多掐一草也不能了。又蠲了几件事,单拿我和凤姐姐作筏子禁别人。最是心里有算计的人,岂只乖而已。”黛玉道:“要这样才好,咱们家里也太花费了。我虽不管事,心里每常闲了,替你们一算计,出的多进的少,如今若不省俭,必致后手不接。”宝玉笑道:“凭他怎么后手不接,也短不了咱们两个人的。”黛玉听了,转身就往厅上寻宝钗说笑去了。

  宝玉正欲走时,只见袭人走来,手内捧着一个小连环洋漆茶盘,里面可式放着两钟新茶,因问:“他往那去了?我见你两个半日没吃茶,巴巴的倒了两钟来,他又走了。”宝玉道:“那不是他,你给他送去。”说着自拿了一钟。袭人便送了那钟去,偏和宝钗在一处,只得一钟茶,便说:“那位渴了那位先接了,我再倒去。”宝钗笑道:“我却不渴,只要一口漱一漱就够了。”说着先拿起来喝了一口,剩下半杯递在黛玉手内。袭人笑说:“我再倒去。”黛玉笑道:“你知道我这病,大夫不许我多吃茶,这半钟尽够了,难为你想的到。”说毕,饮干,将杯放下。袭人又来接宝玉的。宝玉因问:“这半日没见芳官,他在那里呢?”袭人四顾一瞧说:“才在这里几个人斗草的,这会子不见了。”

  宝玉听说,便忙回至房中,果见芳官面向里睡在床上。宝玉推他说道:“快别睡觉,咱们外头顽去,一回儿好吃饭的。”芳官道:“你们吃酒不理我,教我闷了半日,可不来睡觉罢了。”宝玉拉了他起来,笑道:“咱们晚上家里再吃,回来我叫袭人姐姐带了你桌上吃饭,何如?”芳官道:“藕官蕊官都不上去,单我在那里也不好。我也不惯吃那个面条子,早起也没好生吃。才刚饿了,我已告诉了柳嫂子,先给我做一碗汤盛半碗粳米饭送来,我这里吃了就完事。若是晚上吃酒,不许教人管着我,我要尽力吃够了才罢。我先在家里,吃二三斤好惠泉酒呢。如今学了这劳什子,他们说怕坏嗓子,这几年也没闻见。乘今儿我是要开斋了。”宝玉道:“这个容易。”

  说着,只见柳家的果遣了人送了一个盒子来。小燕接着揭开,里面是一碗虾丸鸡皮汤,又是一碗酒酿清蒸鸭子,一碟腌的胭脂鹅脯,还有一碟四个奶油松瓤卷酥,并一大碗热腾腾碧荧荧蒸的绿畦香稻粳米饭。小燕放在案上,走去拿了小菜并碗箸过来,拨了一碗饭。芳官便说:“油腻腻的,谁吃这些东西。”只将汤泡饭吃了一碗,拣了两块腌鹅就不吃了。宝玉闻着,倒觉比往常之味有胜些似的,遂吃了一个卷酥,又命小燕也拨了半碗饭,泡汤一吃,十分香甜可口。小燕和芳官都笑了。吃毕,小燕便将剩的要交回。宝玉道:“你吃了罢,若不够再要些来。”小燕道:“不用要,这就够了。方才麝月姐姐拿了两盘子点心给我们吃了,我再吃了这个,尽不用再吃了。”说着,便站在桌旁一顿吃了,又留下两个卷酥,说:“这个留着给我妈吃。晚上要吃酒,给我两碗酒吃就是了。”宝玉笑道:“你也爱吃酒?等着咱们晚上痛喝一阵。你袭人姐姐和晴雯姐姐量也好,也要喝,只是每日不好意思。今儿大家开斋。还有一件事,想着嘱咐你,我竟忘了,此刻才想起来。以后芳官全要你照看他,他或有不到的去处,你提他,袭人照顾不过这些人来。”小燕道:“我都知道,都不用操心。但只这五儿怎么样?”宝玉道:“你和柳家的说去,明儿直叫他进来罢,等我告诉他们一声就完了。”芳官听了,笑道:“这倒是正经。”小燕又叫两个小丫头进来,伏侍洗手倒茶,自己收了家伙,交与婆子,也洗了手,便去找柳家的,不在话下。

  宝玉便出来,仍往红香圃寻众姐妹,芳官在后拿着巾扇。刚出了院门,只见袭人晴雯二人携手回来。宝玉问:“你们做什么?”袭人道:“摆下饭了,等你吃饭呢。”宝玉便笑着将方才吃的饭一节告诉了他两个。袭人笑道:“我说你是猫儿食,闻见了香就好,隔锅饭儿香。虽然如此,也该上去陪他们多少应个景儿。”晴雯用手指戳在芳官额上,说道:“你就是个狐媚子,什么空儿跑了去吃饭,两个人怎么就约下了,也不告诉我们一声儿。”袭人笑道:“不过是误打误撞的遇见了,说约下了可是没有的事。”晴雯道:“既这么着,要我们无用。明儿我们都走了,让芳官一个人就够使了。”袭人笑道:“我们都去了使得,你却去不得。”晴雯道:“惟有我是第一个要去,又懒又笨,性子又不好,又没用。”袭人笑道:“倘或那孔雀褂子再烧个窟窿,你去了谁可会补呢。你倒别和我拿三撇四的,我烦你做个什么,把你懒的横针不拈,竖线不动。一般也不是我的私活烦你,横竖都是他的,你就都不肯做。怎么我去了几天,你病的七死八活,一夜连命也不顾给他做了出来,这又是什么原故?你到底说话,别只佯憨,和我笑,也当不了什么。”大家说着,来至厅上。薛姨妈也来了。大家依序坐下吃饭。宝玉只用茶泡半碗饭,应景而已。一时吃毕,大家吃茶闲话,又随便顽笑。

  外面小螺和香菱、芳官、蕊官、藕官、豆官等四五个人,都满园中顽了一回,大家采了些花草来兜着,坐在花草堆中斗草。这一个说:“我有观音柳。”那一个说:“我有罗汉松。”那一个又说:“我有君子竹。”这一个又说:“我有美人蕉。”这个又说:“我有星星翠。”那个又说:“我有月月红。”这个又说:“我有《牡丹亭》上的牡丹花。”那个又说:“我有《琵琶记》里的枇杷果。”豆官便说:“我有姐妹花。”众人没了,香菱便说:“我有夫妻蕙。”豆官说:“从没听见有个夫妻蕙。”香菱道:“一箭一花为兰,一箭数花为蕙。凡蕙有两枝,上下结花者为兄弟蕙,有并头结花者为夫妻蕙。我这枝并头的,怎么不是。”豆官没的说了,便起身笑道:“依你说,若是这两枝一大一小,就是老子儿子蕙了。若两枝背面开的,就是仇人蕙了。你汉子去了大半年,你想夫妻了?便扯上蕙也有夫妻,好不害羞!”香菱听了,红了脸,忙要起身拧他,笑骂道:“我把你这个烂了嘴的小蹄子!满嘴里汗□的胡说了。等我起来打不死你这小蹄子!”豆官见他要勾来,怎容他起来,便忙连身将他压倒。回头笑着央告蕊官等:“你们来,帮着我拧他这诌嘴。”两个人滚在草地下。众人拍手笑说:“了不得了,那是一洼子水,可惜污了他的新裙子了。”豆官回头看了一看,果见旁边有一汪积雨,香菱的半扇裙子都污湿了,自己不好意思,忙夺了手跑了。众人笑个不住,怕香菱拿他们出气,也都哄笑一散。

  香菱起身低头一瞧,那裙上犹滴滴点点流下绿水来。正恨骂不绝,可巧宝玉见他们斗草,也寻了些花草来凑戏,忽见众人跑了,只剩了香菱一个低头弄裙,因问:“怎么散了?”香菱便说:“我有一枝夫妻蕙,他们不知道,反说我诌,因此闹起来,把我的新裙子也脏了。”宝玉笑道:“你有夫妻蕙,我这里倒有一枝并蒂菱。”口内说,手内却真个拈着一枝并蒂菱花,又拈了那枝夫妻蕙在手内。香菱道:“什么夫妻不夫妻,并蒂不并蒂,你瞧瞧这裙子。”宝玉方低头一瞧,便嗳呀了一声,说:“怎么就拖在泥里了?可惜这石榴红绫最不经染。”香菱道:“这是前儿琴姑娘带了来的。姑娘做了一条,我做了一条,今儿才上身。”宝玉跌脚叹道:“若你们家,一日遭踏这一百件也不值什么。只是头一件既系琴姑娘带来的,你和宝姐姐每人才一件,他的尚好,你的先脏了,岂不辜负他的心。二则姨妈老人家嘴碎,饶这么样,我还听见常说你们不知过日子,只会遭踏东西,不知惜福呢。这叫姨妈看见了,又说一个不清。”香菱听了这话,却碰在心坎儿上,反倒喜欢起来了,因笑道:“就是这话了。我虽有几条新裙子,都不和这一样的,若有一样的,赶着换了,也就好了。过后再说。”宝玉道:“你快休动,只站着方好,不然连小衣儿膝裤鞋面都要拖脏。我有个主意:袭人上月做了一条和这个一模一样的,他因有孝,如今也不穿。竟送了你换下这个来,如何?”香菱笑着摇头说:“不好。他们倘或听见了倒不好。”宝玉道:“这怕什么。等他们孝满了,他爱什么难道不许你送他别的不成。你若这样,还是你素日为人了!况且不是瞒人的事,只这告诉宝姐姐也可,只不过怕姨妈老人家生气罢了。”香菱想了一想有理,便点头笑道:“就是这样罢了,别辜负了你的心。我等着你,千万叫他亲自送来才好。”

  宝玉听了,喜欢非常,答应了忙忙的回来,一壁里低头心下暗算:“可惜这么一个人,没父母,连自己本姓都忘了,被人拐出来,偏又卖与了这个霸王。”因又想起上日平儿也是意外想不到的,今日更是意外之意外的事了。一壁胡思乱想,庚辰双行夹批:又下此四字。来至房中,拉了袭人,细细告诉了他原故。香菱之为人,无人不怜爱的。袭人又本是个手中撒漫的,况与香菱素相交好,一闻此信,忙就开箱取了出来折好,随了宝玉来寻着香菱,他还站在那里等呢。袭人笑道:“我说你太淘气了,足的淘出个故事来才罢。”香菱红了脸,笑说:“多谢姐姐了,谁知那起促狭鬼使黑心。”说着,接了裙子,展开一看,果然同自己的一样。又命宝玉背过脸去,自己叉手向内解下来,将这条系上。袭人道:“把这脏了的交与我拿回去,收拾了再给你送来。你若拿回去,看见了也是要问的。”香菱道:“好姐姐,你拿去不拘给那个妹妹罢。我有了这个,不要他了。”袭人道:“你倒大方的好。”香菱忙又万福道谢,袭人拿了脏裙便走。

  香菱见宝玉蹲在地下,将方才的夫妻蕙与并蒂菱用树枝儿抠了一个坑,先抓些落花来铺垫了,将这菱蕙安放好,又将些落花来掩了,方撮土掩埋平服。香菱拉他的手,笑道:“这又叫做什么?怪道人人说你惯会鬼鬼祟祟使人肉麻的事。你瞧瞧,你这手弄的泥乌苔滑的,还不快洗去。”宝玉笑着,方起身走了去洗手,香菱也自走开。二人已走远了数步,香菱复转身回来叫住宝玉。宝玉不知有何话,扎着两只泥手,笑嘻嘻的转来问:“什么?”香菱只顾笑。因那边他的小丫头臻儿走来说:“二姑娘等你说话呢。”香菱方向宝玉道:“裙子的事可别向你哥哥说才好。”说毕,即转身走了。宝玉笑道:“可不我疯了,往虎口里探头儿去呢。”说着,也回去洗手去了。不知端详,且听下回分解。

Thanks, BT,
After that refreshing shower of Chinese spam, I feel I've been treated just swell! ;o)

Ahhhhhhhh,

(just making some elbow room)


Hope people read my Napalm girl post! what a waste Chinese spammer made of that!

Let's see if we can "make a hole"...

Ummm, nope (on the "hole" deal).
Caught your post though, no worries. :o)

It's "thinking" like yours that makes me skip 99.9% of your posts except when it's obvious that you need to be metaphorically knocked on your ass.
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So E, if I understand correctly, it is while reading .1% of Asoka's posts (that would be 1 in 1000) that you find something obviously requiring you to metaphorically knock him on his ass?

I am being sarcastic to make a point to you and others how absurd it is to imply you are meting out punishment by withholding your attention by saying that you just scroll past and never read so-and-so's posts. Yet, somehow, you are aware of all the detail in those posts. Let's be honest, you voraciously read every word Asoka writes so you will be prepared to pounce on the next inane contradiction or inconsistency he comes out with. (I assure you, Asoka would be crushed if Obama lost the presidency to Jill Stein.)

Similarly, it is fruitless to chide CFNers for giving Asoka excessive attention and then turn right around and do, yourself, precisely what you complain of.

My suggestion is: Do not deny reading any one's posts (except Old Spidey and the Chink spammers whom, on my oath, I never read), simply refute their message if that is what's called for.

To all the idiots, like Q. and E., who criticized me for making a one-day prediction about the DOW (that it would bounce back Tuesday, as it did),
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Once again Asoka, you did not predict that the DOW "would bounce back Tuesday." You made the riskless, impossible to be wrong, statement that it could bounce back Tuesday.

simply refute their message if that is what's called for.
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Of course, while refuting their message, it is permissable - even recommended - that they be called assholes or horses' asses.

He likes to twist words around to fit his own temporary reality. Notice how I caught him the other day when he railed against Wikipedia, saying NOBODY should use it. Then when I backed his ass into a corner (as he has quoted from Wikipedia MANY times in the past)he comes up with the outrageous lie that, why yes, he uses it, only because "E" and "Q" believe in it so profoundly. I don't recall (or care about) you or "E" ever stating your deep love for Wikipedia. Asoka slithers around his lies like the venomous, lying snake that he is.

Another case for Asoka, The Great Black Liar: He has pointed out several times that he got a vasectomy as he believes (correctly so) that an over populated planet degrades the environment and greatly increases poverty and starvation. And in the next breath, he rails about how nations without borders are a wonderous and beautiful thing. As if we need more people in the U.S. No nation can survive with open borders (limited immigration - yes, open borders, no. Same with the myth of multiculturalism. Once you dilute a shot of vodka with multitudinous water solutions its no longer a shot of vodka but something akin to a "drink" you get on a cruise ship - 99% water and 1% booze.

Try moving your ass to Mexico sometime and see how quickly their going to "ask for your papers". Ditto any country on Earth (except ours) with any notion of sovereignty.

Here's an Asoka prediction: Greece will continue using the Euro as its main currency until it doesn't. There you have it!


VK said:
He likes to twist words around to fit his own temporary reality. Notice how I caught him the other day when he railed against Wikipedia, saying NOBODY should use it. Then when I backed his ass into a corner (as he has quoted from Wikipedia MANY times in the past)he comes up with the outrageous lie that, why yes, he uses it, only because "E" and "Q" believe in it so profoundly.
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Yes, I've literally FOUND quotes in the past which he lifted straight out of Wiki as if it was his own thought. I have NEVER "believed in Wiki 'profoundly'". Like most people, I use it to find quicky summaries of certainly factual items but as Asoka damned well knows, when we've had disputes about solar energy or US employment numbers, I've NEVER used Wiki and source to BLS and other more germane sites.

It's his relentless waterfall of small lies which distort people's points of view which makes him rather "satanic" to me. Mika was comically bellicose and a pain in the ass but at least you weren't dealing with subterfuge. The Devil, in Christian literature, is evil PRECISELY because he is a wily misleader misleadingly disguised as the "Bearer of Light".

That's why I detest Asoka worse than Mika, Beantown, or others who I have serious issues with. Asoka is intellectually disingenuous, hypocritical (with Wiki being just one way), and self aggrandizing with all these "spiritual" poses. Worse, he seems almost PROUD to have strong-armed this site by inundating every week's thread with volume related to himself.

His ego is actually the size of all outdoors.


E.

how quickly their going to...

how quickly THEY'RE going to... dammit!

And once again I remind you that the markets have supported my main point, which was that the markets were not freaked by the Spanish bail out.

By the way, our esteemed CFN host, JHK, every year makes predictions of collapse and the measure he himself chooses to use as a collapse indicator is a 4,000 DOW.

Worse, he seems almost PROUD to have strong-armed this site by inundating every week's thread with volume related to himself.

No, I post about EROI, and some asshole comes along and calls me stupid because it should be EROEI. Then when I source back to the originator of the concept, who used EROI, more ad hominem is heaped upon me, making CFN into AAA: "all about Asoka."

My posts are not about me. My posts are about the issues facing all of us: nuclear proliferation, environmental degradation, overpopulation, etc.

You bring the subject back to Asoka each week through your vile personal attacks and puerile name-calling.

You make CFN Asoka-centric. At least take responsibility for your own actions.

His ego is actually the size of all outdoors.


E.

Here's a chuckle for you. In that post where he responds about Wikileaks he states that, in his spare time (which he seems to have a hell of a lot of, even for a retiree), when not posting on CFN, he "corrects" entries in Wikipedia.

If there truly is a Mrs. Asoka, I don't know why she puts up with his ass hanging around the mud hut all day on line. If he does lead a low energy lifestyle, as he claims, where does all the spare time come from? Most people, for example, have virtually no idea what the words "Wash Day" meant for women everywhere before the relatively new invention of the washing maching. "Wash Day" meant scrubbing you and your family's clothes, linens, etc. on a rock or a wash board, hand wringing, drying, etc. Easily takes up 1/2 - 1/3 of a day. Who does all of this work in the Asoka household? Two people can generate a fair amount of laundry in a week (assuming he and the missus don't wear just loin cloths)

And cooking. Baking from scratch (bread, etc.) takes a shit load of time and patience. Even cooking a batch of pinto beans can take a few hours. Notice how infrequently people like Tripp post (even on his own site!) Why? Because he's fucking busy!

Finally, and this is just my own curiousity, how long do you sweep the floor of a mud hut until you've finished picking up all the dirt ;)

he believes (correctly so) that an over populated planet degrades the environment and greatly increases poverty and starvation. And in the next breath, he rails about how nations without borders are a wonderous and beautiful thing.

Immigration policy and global overpopulation are not related. When someone crosses a national border the world's population is neither increased nor decreased because immigration and global overpopulation are not related.

It's always a clear, bright, sunshiney day in Assoka Land, also known as CFN. :D

Finally, and this is just my own curiousity, how long do you sweep the floor of a mud hut until you've finished picking up all the dirt ;)

This is actually a good question. Adobe dirt floors are not like regular dirt floors. The adobe floor is poured (two successive layers, each two inches thick) and hardens. On that you put a cap of fine plaster which provides a durable surface. That is then treated with linseed oil which polymerizes and creates a hard surface which is water resistant and can be swept and mopped.

Thanks for the question!

You got that right, mate!

Here is some more on earthen floors, with a beautiful picture: http://bit.ly/Kuo7kW

Advantages of earthen flooring:

Eliminates construction waste – excess earth can be reincorporated into the landscape

Attractive, comfortable, slightly spongy surface, sometimes compared to leather

Inexpensive materials

Minimal to zero pollution – Earthen materials require only simple processing and little or no transport. Even when produced by a machine, a finished earthen slab is estimated to have 90% lower embodied energy than finished concrete. (Adapted from Adobe and Rammed Earth Buildings, 1984)

Durable with proper care, and repairable

Low maintenance, able to be swept or moist-mopped; properly sealed, stabilized earthen flooring is not dusty

I have serious issues with Eleuthero, myself. Other than his overwhelmingly negative attitude, my thing against him is his nastiness. It's his way or you're an idiot. The sad thing is, he fancies himself rational when in fact he lets his emotions rule him. It's irrational to be nasty, but he can't see it.

I, myself, see inconsistency in some of your posts, Asoka, but they don't retract from your general message,IMO. You are not nasty, but good-natured, which to me is rational, as more can be accomplished in life that way, rather than surrounding yourself with conflict and bad energy.

To the extent you defend yourself, you are actually being irrational because you're letting yourself be enveloped with negative emotions. But I should talk! It's very, very difficult to ignore consistent bad-mouthing against yourself without lashing back. Every so often, I strike back - I know it's not rational, but I get overwhelmed by anger (temporarily) and react. Ah, well, what use is life if you're not working on changing some negative aspect of your character?

So I say, ignore those that attack your character and focus on the issues. The basic nature of CFN and probably many other blog sites is that after a certain number of good postings - whatever that number is - nasty comments and/or spam must occur. I think I'll call that the First Law of Blogging.

Again, I apologize for taking up space off-subject, but again I've let my indignation get the better of me.

And once again I remind you that the markets have supported my main point, which was that the markets were not freaked by the Spanish bail out.

Maybe they are "freaked" by bailouts and are buying stocks as protection against the onslaught of incessant government debt creation. Smart market participants are not afraid of deflation because they know there will not be a lasting deflation. Governments will, print, print, print whatever it takes to sustain the status quo until all confidence is lost in the status quo.

The threat of deflation is the only real tool the status quo has in maintaining confidence. The threat of deflation is however only a threat.

We are now seeing more and more market participants frontrunning central bank interventions.

I don't fear deflation -- I fear the big print.

http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2012/05/24/the-big-print-is-coming/

"Can't we all just get along?"

Rodney King dead at 47

http://www.tmz.com/2012/06/17/rodney-king-dead/

Scott, if you recall late 2008 when the USA was in an economic crisis, losing 750,000 jobs a month under Bush, all the players (Bush, McCain, Obama, and, yes, Michael Krieger) followed conventional wisdom and believed decoupling was impossible because the USA was too large and it was clearly on the verge of collapse, just as Bush, McCain, Obama, and all the others believed.

We are not now losing 750,000 jobs a month. We have had something like 20 months of small but POSITIVE job growth in the private sector, including manufacturing.

Newsflash: this is not 2008 and Krieger is no radical.

He be telling that to all the (now unarmed) KKK in the afterlife.

I, myself, see inconsistency in some of your posts, Asoka...

That would bother me, too, if I thought life was logical. Life is not just logic. It does not follow a clean-cut path, it goes zigzag. And it is good that it is not simply logical, otherwise there would be no joy, there would be no surprise, we would be simply machines, not human beings.

Here is a joke:

A bachelor named Clem showed up at his weekly poker game with a black eye.

His friend Joe asked what had happened to him.
“Well,” Clem replied, “when I was getting dressed this morning a button came off my pants. I don’t know how to sew a thing, so I went to the next apartment and asked the woman there if she would sew it on for me.”

“Oh boy,” Joe said, “she probably thought you were making a pass and socked you, huh?”

“No, that was not it,” said Clem. “She was as nice about it as she could be. Got out a needle and thread right then and there. She sat down in front of me and sewed the button on while I was standing there. But just as she finished and was biting the thread off, her husband walked in.”

Good Kramps - almost there. Just extend your argument a little more: in what sense are the Blacks and Browns already here Americans? Do they not dilute the founding gene pool and message (the two are related as genes carry memes)? Even limiting the argument to the Propositional position, how many Blacks and Browns believe in the Constitution as it is and not as living (and therefore meaningless) document? How many of them are willing and able to be responsible and not steal from Whites by going on Welfare? How many of them thus will support living within a budget and lowering the national debt? Asoka with his mad dog Keynsianism is right in line with the Black Masses/Asses. Finally, how well do you yourself fit these criterion? Not very, right?

We are not now losing 750,000 jobs a month. We have had something like 20 months of small but POSITIVE job growth in the private sector, including manufacturing.

The number of jobs added in May did not cover the number of new immigrants that month. There has been millions of new immigrants since '08 and millions of fewer jobs since '08. Actually that trend goes back to 1999.

The types of jobs are hardly anything to be POSITIVE about either as many of them are part time and low paying.

how well do you yourself fit these criterion?
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criterion is singular

criteria is plural

therefore it's

how well do you yourself fit these criteria?

There has been millions of new immigrants since '08
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have

You are attempting to apply logic to a man where logic exists only in his artful deception - both to himself as well as others. Don't fall into the trap!

More whites than blacks receive welfare, daddio. The myth of the black welfare queen is just that - a myth.

You should show more respect on the day that black hero Rodney King was found dead, lying in his pool, at the age of 47.

I kind of wish that I'd gotten pulled for speeding that fateful night in '92, and gotten the shit beat out of me - if it would have meant I'd live a lavish Hollywood lifestyle and be a pseudo celebrity twenty years later. The two passengers in King's car that night complied with the officer's commands and henceforth did not get beaten - imagine that.

Happy Father's Day to all daddios in CFN land. Some interesting stats I read concerning dads and families.

* More than half of the babies born to women under 30 are born outside of wedlock.
*73% of blacks have babies outside of wedlock.
*53% of Latinos have babies outside of wedlock.
*29% of whites have babies outside of wedlock.
*In 1965, 93% of all babies were born to married couples.
*1964 LBJ's War on Poverty promises gubment bennies to just about anyone who can fuck.

An increase in out-of-wedlock babies since '65? Gee, how on Earth did THAT happen? Used to be that a girl would be hard pressed to uncross her legs while on a date for fear she and the nine month later "surprise" she'd get would spend the rest of their lives living with her mom and dad. Then Uncle Sam promises to put all charges on the nation's credit card and whammo, the girl gets to play "house" with her new baby doll without having to worry about mom and dad bitching about her having to get a job. The legacy of the Kennedy/LBJ era lives on.

This just in CFN'ers: According to Huffington Post, Greek election results show the (likely) winner to be Greek's new Democratic Party. Will Greece decide to dump the euro and go back to the drachma? Will there be a run on the banks in Greece, meaning the euro will be devalued? Interesting times indeed!

The number of jobs added in May did not cover the number of new immigrants that month

The fallacy here is the racist assumption that all immigrants come here for free handouts.

Immigrants don't take jobs from Americans.

Immigrants are ultimately job creators. Always have been since the waves of Irish, Chinese, Germans, Poles, and now Mexicans, Muslims, and more Asians.

Immigrants come here to WORK and support their families. They eventually create businesses. The money they send home each month amounts in the BILLIONS of dollars.

Research has proven immigrants don't take jobs from Americans:

To gauge the program's effect on job growth, Kerr and Lincoln analyzed Current Population Survey data from 1995 to 2008, when national caps fluctuated from a low of 65,000 workers a year to a high of 195,000.

Not surprisingly, growth in the H-1B program directly correlated with an uptick in the number of immigrants working in science and engineering.

"We do not find any substantive effect on native scientists and engineers across a range of labor market outcomes like employment levels, mean wages, and unemployment rates," the paper states.

It's just not true that immigrants are "taking" jobs away from Americans.

Don't fall into the trap!

Listen to Vlad Kramps!

Don't fall for the evil and cunning ways of Asoka with his statistics, peer-reviewed sources, and stubborn facts! Get thee behind me, Asoka!

Don't waste anymore time insulting and name-calling this liar, this deceiver, this slippery eel, this blatant flaunter of facts.

Every time you post and make the center of attention Asoka, as Vlad Kramps has just done, you are impeding conversation of important issues.

The fallacy here is the racist assumption that all immigrants come here for free handouts.

I am not assuming that immigrants come here for free handouts. My assumption is that immigrants come here to be hired by neocon Republicans and Libertarians who want to arbitrage a global glut of labor to their advantage here in the U.S.

These NeoCon Republicans and Libertarians do not even have to defend there despicable actions as they have well meaning liberals such as yourself at their defense asoka.gov

Right, they want to hire immigrants at USA minimum wage because that is cheaper than Mexico or China? What you smokin' Scott?

Or is it that they want to hire immigrants and pay them less than USA minimum wage, intentionally breaking federal labor laws and putting their businesses in danger?

Which is it? Doesn't make sense either way.

Immigrants are job creators who make the pie bigger and provide more employment.

After the French Revolution, Eleuthère Irénée du Pont de Nemours fled to America in 1800.

Two years later he founded a gunpowder plant in Delaware. Within a decade, the DuPont plant was the largest of its kind in the United States. DuPont added dynamite and nitroglycerine in 1880, guncotton in 1892, and smokeless powder in 1894. Today, DuPont is a $40 billion company that employs 70,000 people.

What has made this country great is its rich heritage of people coming together from all nations. Even though the country faces high unemployment, now is not the time to adopt a protectionist immigration strategy. We should use immigration to accelerate job creation, by attracting the best talent in the world, and making it easier for our companies to compete and grow.

The influx of individuals from around the world has provided the engine for our economic development. This is what has made us the most innovative, most prosperous nation on earth. As an illustration, a recent report from the Partnership for a New American Economy has found that more than 40 percent of Fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants or their children.

Let me repeat that so it soaks in:

more than 40 percent of Fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants or their children.

This just in: 6.4 earthquake strikes Japan coast. More news as it develops. Back to you, Assoka.

Or is it that they want to hire immigrants and pay them less than USA minimum wage, intentionally breaking federal labor laws and putting their businesses in danger?

If immigrants are undocumented who will they complain too when employers take advantage of them?

As to the second point, there is no enforcement of labor laws and businesses see themselves in no danger.

The rest of the shit you posted is just so much blah, blah, blah because it isn't relevant today.

There was capacity for growth then -- now it is only capacity for decline. Have you noticed that U.S. consumption has declined since '08 yet we have added millions of more immigrants? More people is good when there are ever more resources -- bad when there are ever fewer resources.

Assoka's source, per Wikileaks - Which he doesn't use - I mean, not really!

The Partnership for a New American Economy is a coalition of business leaders and mayors launched by Mayor Bloomberg and Rupert Murdoch to influence public opinion and policymakers toward comprehensive immigration reform. "The partnership will enable Mayors and CEOs to demonstrate to policymakers the vital role that immigration plays in our economy by publishing studies, conducting polls, convening forums, and sponsoring public education campaigns."[1] Among other goals, the partnership will pursue Congress and the White House to enact legislation which will create "a path to legal status for all undocumented immigrants now in the United States".[2] The partnership will seek to influence "by publishing studies, conducting polls, convening forums, and sponsoring public education campaigns".[1]

Now, I ask you, why WOULDN'T you trust folks like Bloomberg and Murdoch??? Assoka does. Incredible the amount of lies he spreads round here. INCREDIBLE!

FYI: Rupert Murdoch was recently exposed as a phone hacking CRIMINAL, who recorded PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS of famous people to ENHANCE HIS AGENDA. AND ASSOKA glorifies his (and Bloomberg's) coalition. ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE! What a FRAUD you are, ASSOKA! Please, for everyone's sake, stop spreading the LIES!

And incidentally, Bloomberg's assault on super-sized sodas isn't intended to keep you safe from obesity. Gee, let's think (rare, I know): If you can buy one 32oz soda for $2.50, why would you buy two 16 oz sodas for $2.00 each. Do the math! Follow the money.

It's not so simple, Scott. There's price deflation and there's money deflation. Obviously, prices have gone up; look at your food bills. TPTB are trying to push the idea that gasoline prices are going down. Yeah, gas prices HAVE come down - from their peak. Gasoline is now "only" around $3.30/gal. What's the cost of oil? "Only" around $83/barrel? Yeah, it was up to $147/barrel, but how long ago was it $10-$15/barrel? Not that long ago. We don't have price deflation.

Technically we don't have money deflation either after TARP and bailouts totaling trillions of dollars. But most of the extra money hasn't gone into the hands of the public, it's been offshored or kept by large corporations in their coffers. The middle class is so debt-ridden that it either isn't willing to borrow more, or business won't extend credit to it. Thus, although the money supply has expanded, there is de facto money deflation.

So what we've ended up with at this point is a hybrid economy of price inflation and money deflation. Which is what we get when we use debt as money.

Europeans remember what happened to Germany in the 1920's; they are terrified of hyperinflation. Americans remember what happened in the 1930's; they are terrified of deflation. That's why the MSM, controlled by TPTB, won't admit we're in a depression. Oh, and because of the political consequences, too.

It's ironic that the US eventually will ramp up the money supply even more, resulting in what Europe and America each fear most.

After the French Revolution, Eleuthère Irénée du Pont de Nemours fled to America in 1800.

Two years later he founded a gunpowder plant in Delaware.
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Them fuckin DuPonts! First it's gunpowder, then dynamite, then nitro and before you know it we're makin atom bombs. Leave it to them fuckin immigrants!

Be that as it may, this past Tuesday the "misses" and I along with a group of (mostly) old ladies with hair dyed blond, red or brunette and some surviving husbands with fly-away white hair* (members of our local Zimmerli Art Museum) made a day trip to a couple of museums in the vicinity of Wilmington, Delaware, one of which was Winterthur, owned/funded by the DuPonts. It's quite spectacular. See link.

http://www.winterthur.org/

* The male of the species is able to gracefully let go of youthful appearance while the female deludes herself right up to the dying breath.

Right on, BTB!

I've been to Winterthur. Quite beautiful. I seem to recall that one of the Dupont heirs out on the Main Line pulled some crazy shit by killing a gardner(?) on the estate. Seem to recall the murder victim was a former olympian who lived on the estate. Homo sex involved? Maybee....hmmmm. Those Duponts were some pretty insane rascals. Even built a pavillion at Villanova University which bears their name. Did Nova rename the pavillion after the scandal, I wonder. You know how the Catholic church hates a scandal (tee hee). Damned immigrants!

Inflation has already happened BTB, it just hasn't hit the system yet and when it does it will be extremely painful for everyone including the rich. Just like you said, it is sitting in the coffers of central banks around the world and with corporations.

Those first at the trough of debtmoney creation love the idea of deflation because they can frontrun the out of thin air money creation by buying up real things such as your labor cheap.

In other words they can buy you for what you are worth and sell you for what you think you are worth.

The other museum we visited was wonderful too.

http://www.delart.org/home.html

Right Kramps - So? Don't you think, considering these stats, that maybe, just maybe, Blacks use welfare at a much higher RATE than Whites? I mean just using the plain number is something Asoka would do. It's what someone does when they're trying to hide something.

I expect more from you Kramps. Good point about Rodney King - he was a loser. Martin Luther King was a plagiarist, trouble maker, liar, and adulterer. He was also, we can surmise, a closet Communist since all his disciples, fellow travelers, and handlers were. Not a loser exactly, but someone who will cause America to lose. So a Detroyer like Ted Kennedy.

I'm happy than you understand budgets and borders and things. But you still have farther to go before you sleep the sleep of the Just.

Right Kramps - So? Don't you think, considering these stats, that maybe, just maybe, Blacks use welfare at a much higher RATE than Whites? I mean just using the plain number is something Asoka would do. It's what someone does when they're trying to hide something.

You wouldn't expect that Whites would need to resort to EBT and the like more now with government and corporate hiring quotas based on race and gender?

You wouldn't expect that Whites would need to resort to EBT and the like...

"and the like"...

Vlad, be honest and include defense contracts, corporate welfare, tax breaks for millionaires, farm subsidies, bank bailouts that include CEO bonuses, no-bid contracts for companies like Halliburton, Blackwater, Xe, etc. and you will find those kinds of "EBT" are being received at a much higher RATE by whites.

Whites are sucking at the government teat just as much as anyone else.

It's not born black, brown, or red people who have bankrupted the country. Look at the (mostly white) people who are bleeding the country dry through lucrative government contracts, tax breaks, loopholes, etc.

CORRECTION

It's not poor black, brown, or red people, nor is it poor immigrants, who have bankrupted the country.

It's not born black, brown, or red people who have bankrupted the country.

Are you now on the record as saying the country is bankrupted?

The country is bankrupt from spending half the budget on "defense" and waging stupid wars.

Social Security trust fund is solvent for decades to come.

Next.

What about Medicare and Medicaid? Are they too solvent for decades to come despite the government being bankrupt?

While it is semantically correct for people to say they, "paid into the system" it is not technically correct.

The fact is, the resources that those people paid to those collecting could have been consumed by themselves had they not paid into the system.

It very well could be that resources will not be available when it is their turn to cash in on the Ponzi.

It very well could be that resources will not be available when it is their turn to cash in on the Ponzi.

It could very well be that the Easter Bunny exists.

It isn't technically accurate to refer SSI as a Ponzi scheme because Ponzi schemes are voluntary.

SSI is a mandatory tax on income that diverts current resourses from current payors to current payees.

The Medicare Trust Fund will run out of money in 2024, the federal government told Congress on Monday in its annual Medicare Trustees report.

Next.

It could very well be that the Easter Bunny exists.

That is not consistent with the theme of this blog.

The Medicare Trust Fund will run out of money in 2024, the federal government told Congress on Monday in its annual Medicare Trustees report.

How can they run out of "money" when all they are capable of producing is debt?

There won't be enough of us wage earner around in 2024 for Medicare, Medicaid (courtesy 1965, LBJ) to support the Ponzi. It will run dry well before 2024. SSI will continue to run in the red in 2024 simply because the politicians in D.C. will continue to divert funds paid into it to their own coffers. Sure, you'll collect SS when you hit 70 or 75 (the age limit goes up every 5-10 years), but the $500.00/month allowance will get you exactly one can of Alpo, a roll of toilet paper, and maybe a pint of milk for the month. Keep toiling and sending those tax dollars in. What? Want to quit toiling for nothing wages? Okay by the gubment. The'll just off shore your job or get some illegal alien to do it for 1/2 price. There's a t.v. show called, "The Price is Right", isn't there?