Strange Jubilee


     Is there a Baby Boomer so dim in this land of rackets and swindles who thinks that he or she will escape the wrath of the Millennials rising? The developing story is so obvious that only an academic economist could fail to notice. Here's how it will go: some months from now, as the financial unwind worsens, and the mirage of gainful employment shimmers away to nothing, and the technocrats of Europe meet nervously by some Swiss lakeside (and are seen glumly shaking their heads), and Romney and Obama try to out-do each other peddling miracle cures for the tanking national self-esteem - a dangerous meme will go forth across the internet, and this meme will say: Millennials, renounce your college loans and set yourselves free!
     And then something truly marvelous will happen. They will at once disempower the swindling generation of their fathers, teachers, loan officers, and overlords and quite possibly bring on, at long last, the epochal collision of pervasive American control fraud with the hard hand of reality.
     I think this will happen, and I would venture even to set the meme loose here and now and watch it go viral. The college loan racket has been an even more cynical enterprise than the mortgage racket was because so many people who ought to have known better, people of supposed intelligence such as college deans, cabinet secretaries, and think-tank Yodas, all colluded to support the false promise that the gigantic cargo cult of higher ed would keep churning out fresh careers forever - when the truth was that the entire groaning vessel of hopes and dreams was already under water and sinking into the eternal darkness.
      And is there a Millennial so dim who believes that the promised package of lifetime goodies once called "a job with benefits" waits like a liveried servant to conduct them without friction through the ceremonies of career and family according to premises and promises of an obsolete American Dream? Dreams do die hard. As dreams go it was a pretty good one while it lasted, but like all dreams, it has vanished in the mists of a new morning leaving the dreamers half-sick, anxious, and drained. They have nothing to lose but their fears of the re-po man and the simulated dudgeon of telephone robot debt-collectors.
     This idea should catch on as the election season heats up. Like the anti-war youth of August, 1968, burning their draft cards in the streets of Chicago, the Millennials should flock to Charlotte and Tampa this summer and fill the parking lots (there are no streets in these places) with the smoke of their burning loan contracts - and then proceed with the loud repudiation of party politics in its two current useless, lying, craven, feckless factions. The effrontery of these rogues, promising a hundred years of shale gas, and jobs, jobs, jobs, and a personal relationship with Jesus! Send them packing into the bowels of history, then go home and make it work locally, where it will have to happen in any case because the arc of events has a velocity of its own now and that is our certain destination.
     The colleges themselves will, of course, implode shortly, along with everything else currently organized on the super-gigantic scale. They are no more prepared for what is about to happen to them than the chiselers in government, banking, medicine, and global corporate enterprise. We will wonder in retrospect how they ever managed to winkle 50-grand a year for their absurd promises, and how we permitted young people with undeveloped powers of judgment to sign their financial lives away on terms even more stringent than their parents' mortgages. When the universities do go down, tossing their employees overboard in the process, it will be interesting to see the former faculty chairpersons and distinguished professors of econometric modeling learn how to plant kale and care for chickens side-by-side with their formerly-indentured students. I can imagine a period of turmoil in America even harsher than, say, the Cultural Revolution of the 1960s in China where officials, professors, and authorities of all kinds were paraded through the angry mobs wearing dunce caps. Weird things happen history.
     The college loan money will not be paid back anyway, so Millennial youth ought to seize the golden opportunity to make the deliberate point that the years of swindling are officially over now. This strange jubilee could, and should, change everything.
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James – the news is just a constant reminder of the path we are heading down; the nation is doomed, while we all wait our turn.

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The world is changing, and not for the better. The people who think they can manage this transition are wrong, and so are the people who are left with an empty bag of promises and a belief that they can fill them if they are loud and angry enough.

Visit the Leibowitz Society at http://www.leibowitzsociety.blogspot.com/2012/04/peak-wealth.html for more information and commentary on our coming collapse.

Burn Your Loan Docs! The Boomers burned their Draft Cards. Same Difference.

Second! I guess...always wanted to say that.

JHK is wrong about the Millennials:

"And is there a Millennial so dim who believes that the promised package of lifetime goodies once called "a job with benefits" waits like a liveried servant to conduct them without friction through the ceremonies of career and family according to premises and promises of an obsolete American Dream?"

I teach them. I used to think this. Perhaps 20% of them in my experience have "wised up" and are angry about their lack of opportunity, as compared to their parents' time.

The rest expect various hand-holders to help, from academic advisors, employers who will let them work when and where the Millennial wishes, and of course, dear old mom and dad.

This generation is turning out to be passive and confused. Their mantra is "I'm confused."

At least the Xers said "whatever, dude." It was honest. And the Boomers said, before they became stodgy, "do your own thing."

The Millennials, at least the college-bound affluent ones, are the most coddled generation in recent history, one where every kid gets an award for "trying."

They need to try harder, in the hard times ahead. JHK overestimates their ability. I hope I'm wrong and he's right on this one, but he doesn't teach these kids every day.

okay, fourth!

Throwing off the yoke is a good idea, but I am afraid that most of the students in loan trouble are victims of Stockholm Syndrome. I just do not see the outrage. If anything I see them voting in Romney who will doom them to a lifetime of wage slavery.

Young adults today will line up to get the first iPad but they will not line up to take control of their lives.
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"And is there a Millennial so dim who believes that the promised package of lifetime goodies once called "a job with benefits" waits like a liveried servant to conduct them without friction through the ceremonies of career and family according to premises and promises of an obsolete American Dream?"

No there probably is no Millennial so dim. So, what's the fucking beef Jimmy?

Anyone taking out a loan in the hope of a better future, rolled the dice. They weren't promised dick. But they did happen to notice that about any job worth having in this day and age, requires an advanced education. And now you (being the fucking "adult" that you are) are suggesting those who took loans not repay their loans. Once again the poor moronic masses were suckered and need to be saved from themselves.

I got an idea. All those books of yours that you are shilling on this site? Send me a hundred of each. I'll pay you later for them. Honest :>) (Fucking dip shit.)

It's so hard to say these things to your bright-eyed, hopeful offspring, just beginning their adult lives in their early 20s. They've picked up some of my cynicism, sure, and as students of environmental science, they're not blind to the absolute mess their forebears have made of the planet.

But, still ...

Any other parents out there who've sat down with their children, and laid it out as starkly as James does here? Anyone actually advised their college-aged kids to just default on the school loans? Mine have school loans, though not in outrageously high amounts.

living in prague; a couple of czech students came over for a cuppa last night. the guy's an engineer, the girl's studying spanish and english and will work as a translator.

unemployment is under 10% in the republic, under 3% in prague, major export country, was surprised at how great, no military cost, few on welfare, they hope their university fees will remain free, perhaps not, but they're focused kids, serious, don't do FACEBOOK and every reason to believe they'll find jobs in their perspective fields once they graduate.

mio marito does biz in kazakhstan, 8% annual growth, GDP, sending all the bright kids to oxford, harvard, etc, not nearly as corrupt as other countries in region, pres. is smart about growth, oil, keeping goldman out....

just wish the occupy movement would actually have a 'demands' section in the us, then perhaps they could demand they take away the loans, cost about a trillion, banks could eat it, we bailed them out, right....

let's hope, it is hopeful in some places and it once was in the states....

just get rid of the military, lol....

My daughter is a Millennial. She's not angry. She also hasn't read the copy of "The Long Emergency" that I sent her more than a year ago.) She's just disconnected. About to graduate from a Florida state university with a double-major degree in two unmarketable subjects -- debt-free, thank planning! -- and not nearly as politically engaged as she was in 2008 when Candidate Hopey inspired her.

There will be no rebellion against Boomers like me and you, JHK. The young are prepared to eat whatever shit sandwich they'e fed. They have lost the will to overpower. It's all ironic to them.

And I feel no guilt for my privileged position in the Most Entitled Generation. I'm paying the Social Security taxes that supported my mom and dad. (At least I was before I fled the country six years ago.) That was my duty to the older generation. I might get screwed out of my SS when I stop working in whatever country I'm living in when I hit 65, but I've been preparing for that. If I'm screwed, it will be because of heartless bean-counting fascists in government, not because of irate, involved yoofs. They just don't care.

Today's post is on target.

Debtors all should be treated alike. If someone is permitted to bankrupt out of one form of debt, say, a $200K mortgage deficiency on a house worth half what you paid for it, plus about $300K in HELOC loans, then a youngster should be able to bankrupt out of college debt when it becomes clear that s/he will never earn enough money in a 150-year lifetime to pay back the tuition for four years of studying elitist, impractical bullshit that will never get a person a paying job.

But this leads me to another thought. If the excuse for making college loans non-dischargeable through bankruptcy is that they are owed to the taxpayers, being "government-backed", then why are people being let off the hook for mortgage deficiencies on FHA mortgages and those bought by Fannie and Freddie?

I can imagine, that if FHA delinquencies and defaults continue to rise, and FNMA and FMAC losses deepen, that there might be a move to make debt owed to these entities non-dischargeable, too.

Be careful if you are thinking of springing for one of these newly cheap houses or condos.

It's a happy go shopping world .

My daughter recently got her masters in math. She has no bills, she paid for college herself. She works at an upscale brew-pub and makes beaucoup denari. No need for the degree besides counting out change. Lately, I've been showing her how to use a chainsaw, shoot, and work on her car.Plus I talked her into the precious metal market rather than the big bank deposit. My buddies kid is in debt for about 100 large for a worthless degree (as far as I am concerned) in business administration. The kid can't even change the oil in his car. It is like starting out with a mortgage but with no house to show for it!

"[T]he wrath of the Millennials rising" I see you've been reading more Strauss and Howe. First it was The Fourth Turning, now Millennials Rising. Good for you. You'll have a clearer understanding of the crisis era ahead of us, and of what the aftermath could be.

And, yes, forgiveness of educational debt is a major issue to the rising generation of young adults. President Obama is talking about that, along with using sticks and carrots to colleges to hold down tuition. I wish him luck; he'll need it. Maybe I should blog about that topic again; I haven't written anything about the subject since the last time Obama visited the University of Michigan.

As for the mass uprising at the conventions, I'm still skeptical. Millies are big on mass action, but any violence would have to be organized; spontaneous chaotic outbursts are not the kind of thing their type of civic and heroic generation is known for. Speaking of instability in Tampa and Charlotte, I find it odd is that the people in charge of security at the convention are banning Guy Fawkes masks and water pistols, things that the Occupiers would use, but not real pistols. I guess the NRA was helping draft their regulations.

I didn't blog about any of the above on Crazy Eddie's Motie News this past week. Instead, I posted an essay about how the future people think they were promised, down to flying cars for the masses, jet packs, and the Star Trek vision of social harmony, won't arrive, despite the debut of a flying car for the luxury market at the New York Auto Show this weekend. I also took advantage of the 100th anniversary of the first and final voyage of the Titanic to examine how a catastrophic failure of technology happens--a metaphor for our times. Rachel Maddow's exposure of the corn pone fascists in the Michigan legislature acting like, well, corn pone fascists also made the cut as the most popular post of the past week. I also revisited the latest news about auto sales, gas prices, the firing of Keith Olbermann, and the theme song for my blog, (Nothing but) Flowers. All of the above have musical accompanyment. Come for the writing, stay for the music!

Happy Motoring--for now--from Detroit!

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Your last line says it all Bailey!

Any other parents out there who've sat down with their children, and laid it out as starkly as James does here?

I have! Not just morbidly, but with lots of tips about how to get through the coming changes as well as possible. I am personally optimistic about my chances, in part because I have several countries where I am legally entitled to live. And my daughter could have a similarly internationalized future, if she had pursued the Spanish and Japanese languages she studied in high school. (Ex-wife's side of the family was rich, could send her to an elite private HS.)

The response I get is "Oh Dad, you're a Chicken Little. You've been talking like that for years. Nothing bad has happened yet. You're bumming me out. Talk about something else."

What can I say? She was warned. When the time comes, I hope I can get her legal admission to whatever country it is where I'll be eking out a living with my chickens and whatever food I can scratch out of the dirt...

I see you've watched "The End of Suburbia," too. I show that film to my students every semester, and it never fails to get a strong reaction out of them. The environmentalists think "it's worse than we thought," the conservatives get pissed off at Jim, and everyone else just goes "oh, shit."

I'm a geezer, but I'm in contact with numerous college-age kids through my daughter. These are mostly fine young people who are college bound or already attending college, but have zero intention of paying off their school loans. They really don't think much about it. What's more, very few of them have driver's licenses (state IDs are becoming more common)and only one young man in the group owns a car.

The times they are a'changin, and the young folks sense it.

Diligent students who major in engineering, agronomy, accounting, computer science, nursing, and other useful disciplines will have no trouble repaying their student loans. The same goes for a good student who goes to tech school and learns how to weld, to be a plumber, fix furnaces, clean teeth, cut hair, drive a semi, or run a CNC milling machine. But I see, every day, slackers who seldom go to class and flunk out of college after 2 years. I also see students majoring in dead-end majors with no hope of employment. The last two groups will never pay off their loans.

Senor Kunstler say:

"The effrontery of these rogues, promising a hundred years of shale gas, and jobs, jobs, jobs, and a personal relationship with Jesus! Send them packing into the bowels of history, then go home and make it work locally, where it will have to happen in any case because the arc of events has a velocity of its own now and that is our certain destination."

I say, that I absolutely concur with this idea of historical momentum and [eventual] destination; there can be no other for a place of finite resources!

Now, this hard smack of impending reality will be resisted and pooh-poohed most petulantly into a big box of Hell-on-earth because of the 'psychology of previous investment' that you have so astutely observed and documented. (A lot of thrashing and protestations of, "you promised, you promised, you promised!", will be forthcoming before the shock of, "sorry puppies, there's no there there, it was just bid'ness you see".)

Just watch, you'll see it rear it's blind, moronic head right here on these very pages in short order! I refuse to be shocked by its' presence any longer; I'll simply regard it as a given and work around it, while keeping a weather-eye out for reactionary tantrums. Head down, powder dry.

I, too, teach this generation and speak almost daily to them about the challenges ahead. On board each day is posted the most important economic number and indicator, the mornings price of Brentcrude and WTI. Some of the students actively resist the information I provide. I do not blame them, they live comfortable lives and don't want the future to be different. Other become very gloomy and immediately jump to, "We're all going to die." Some become empowered. I've helped students call for solar panels on the school roof--rejected by the board but did result in the formation of the Faculty Sustainability Committee. Even the empowered students feel their actions are as strong as a sand castle against a tidal wave. Even my own family exists in this surreal twilight of fossil fuel age. Our college age children are bounding off to academia while a significant part of me feels I should be teaching them how to garden. My own children say, "Dad, stop talking about it. I want to things to stay the same."

The reality of the change that is in process is hard to accept. I've gone through my own dark moments. I believe we will have to rely on ourselves. At the same time that I think government and press will not address the problems at hand, I still write letters to the editor. I'm collecting signatures for 25% renewables in Missouri by 2025 (the electric company got the state legislature to undermine the previous ballot initiative passed in 2008 for 15% renewables).

The readers of this blog are probably better informed than most. While you prepare yourselves for the change that is in process, take time to write a letter. Read the news and post comments refuting the conventional thinking. We need to try to turn the tide of public understanding and misinformation.

Do what you can. Help those coming of age understand what is happening. Information is empowering.

LAST! That is how feel on occasion but the good news is it will not last.

Jim, To your cogent discussion I offer: Back in the "bad old days", 1960-62, I attended the local Agricultural and Technical Institute (ATI now SUNY) and acquired an AAS degree with zero cost per credit hour. About 6 years later, 1966-68, I convinced the USAF to send me to the University of Colorado, Boulder, to obtain an Astronautical Engineering BS, as a non-resident. Cost per semester to the USAF for my attendance at CU $600, total cost for 7 semesters $4200. At the time I was a SSg/E5 salary about $4000/year. If one assumes the rate of salary increase kept pace with the rate of educational cost increase (roughly 50 times, 50000/1050) one would thereby expect an E5 today to be earning nearly $200,000/year.

Something tells me salary increases have fallen far behind educational costs. Me thinks this just possibly may have something to do with the increased rate of transfer of wealth from the 99% to the 1%, kinda similar to the precursors of the world wide frivolities kicked off by the economic crash in the late 1920's.

SNAFU

damie:

"I've helped students call for solar panels on the school roof"

Great, so you have helped encourage kids to partcipate in techno-delusionalism.

urp,

There is nothing more inherently 'dice-rolling' than the GIVING OUT of a loan – you are giving someone else money after calculating the likelihood that they will be able and willing to repay you. Indeed, the interest you earn on that loan is compensation for bearing this very risk.

Don't like the risk? Then don't issue the loans and don't earn the interest. No one is forcing your hand.

I've read all your books and continue to read them again and again because I know in my gut you're right. As reality gets harder and harder to bear, I'm also rereading the Nearing's books on homesteading. In 1970, I almost went in their direction, but unwisely signed up for a career working for the Corporate State that now threatens to destroy us all. At the moment, I'm enjoying The Kunstler Cast. Suburbia was an even bigger con than the corporate career ladder scam and now we've got to scramble to avoid getting hit by falling debris as the Big Lie comes crashing down. Thanks to you, Chris Hedges and other writers who aren't afraid to tell the truth, at least it's possible to understand the whole insane web of deceit and perhaps even find some loopholes of freedom that might save us . . .

My best guess?

Sometime about late October, candidate Mitt Romney will make a campaign promise to cut the amount owed on all student loans by about 60%, to be funded by making the Bush tax cuts permanent.

By the time the rubes figure that one out, Romney will be planning his first presidential trip to Europe, and Obama will be planning his next career.

Jimbo
Maybe you should consider becoming the "Pol Pot" of America. I can certainly envision you driving us all out of the cities "for our own good". What a knucklehead.

"I think this will happen, and I would venture even to set the meme loose here and now and watch it go viral."

I'm all for viral memes, I'm trying to start one of my own. But the millennials you speak of were the same ones who were all walking around with copies of Atlas Shrugged just a few short years ago. That's a lot of primordial slime to crawl out of before they can develop anything but a rudementary social consciousness.

Better a meme start with those already burdened with telephone robot debt-collectors who can't find work to feed their families in a society that already pretends they don't exist.

Skip the millennials. Proceed directly to:

"the loud repudiation of party politics in its two current useless, lying, craven, feckless factions."

Regarding draft cards. The last year it mattered cards were not issued at all because TPTB knew they would all be instant and direct contributions to global warming. That year those eligible had to wait for their letter to report with no cards to burn.


I teach them too. However, I don't think the Mellenials should take the whole rap for being under motivated, fenenstrating, slackers. The problem's not poor clay, it's the potter. As parents, we've, and I'm speaking collectively here, do pander to our kids. I've lost track of the number of times little Grade 10 Jimmy's parents have given me a blast of shit and threatened me for failing their kid who did sweet F.A. all semester, and turned in no assignments. Or the ones who lie to the school and cover for the kid when he skips to smoke dope. Or how about the school boards who cave like Peruvian mine the moment some parent waves a lawyer at them. How about our politicians? Great role models there! I think Jim's right on this one: we have not prepared the, for the future and once they get over the shock of the Long Emergency, they're going to kick our ass. And you know what? We deserve it.

Cheers!

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Happy Easter to all! Jim, of course the kids are gonna be pissed, they have been screwed big time by predatory government that was supposed to be looking out for them, not banks. But this stuff about the youth taking it out on their elders isn't going to happen. Young people are very well aware that their parents are being screwed by the very same government and banks. I look for a united movement of all ages to take positive action against the real perpetrators of the huge mess the country is in. Banks, corporations, and morally bankcrupt politicians who are feeding on the wealth of all the nations and damn near have bled them dry.

The spring should usher in much unrest as the financial situation continues to unravel and the 50% of the population that lives on poverty or near poverty incomes continues to grow. Where's Jerry Maguire when you need him? Show us the money, cause it damn sure didn't disappear in a black hole as Jon Corzine would like everyone to believe. Retrieval of stolen funds should be a top priority, that money would solve alot of problems.

On another note, has anyone been following the mass resignations that have been occurring in financial, corporate and governmental circles world wide, seems that almost 700 have left their posts since last September. Check it out on American Kabuki website, most curious. Rats leaving a sinking ship? Or are shysters being told "Your services are no longer needed". HMMM....
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@smokeyjoe,

I agree with you. I also teach High Schoolers and most of them have really bought into the "take on student loan debt for an expensive college degree" line with no understanding of what that entails. A good example is a student who is starting pharmacy school with a tuition cost of over $50,000 a year. The university is giving him $15,000 in scholarships, he's taking $20,000 in loans and his parents will have to borrow the rest (numbers are approximate). He'll be so buried in debt after a few years that he's effectively sold his soul with no way to redeem his freedom.

I know several recent pharmacy school graduates and while they are employed it certainly isn't what they expected. One grad is working three days a week at a national health care provider and another couple of days at the local small town pharmacy---not exactly what she thought things would be.

This whole system is a racket and the baby boomer "guidance counselors" are giving advice that is really counter to reality--this would be laughable if it wasn't sooooooo sad.

"Resolve to serve no more and you are at once free. I do not ask that you place your hands upon the tyrant, but that you merely cease to obey him, and then you will behold him, like some great Colossus, fall of his own weight and break into pieces. Resolve to serve no more!'
-Etienne de la Boiete
'Discourse on Voluntary Servitude'

You may be on to something, Mr. K.

Your name inspires a similar reaction...what my kids used to do when they "urpped" up their pizza. Or does "urp" stand for Ulysses Roger Petersnapper?

Here's a plan.

You burn the loan docs now, and for the next 10 years work in the cash economy. I mean, the underground economy. No taxes, no nothing. "Off-book."

Then 10 years from now you get a "job with benefits", taxable, and you pay off your student loan with inflated dollars.

Pretty funny, giving the government back its own.

I'd add to this the thought that a latter-day Father Coughlin or a Huey Long will seize on this and ride it very far. We don't get men of principle championing populist movements, in or out of electoral politics, very often. Is there a Walter Reuther somewhere out there or will it be a demagogue who seizes the idea, and then the day?

"Don't like the risk? Then don't issue the loans and don't earn the interest. No one is forcing your hand."

Wrong, moron. Those giving the loan, have an enforceable contract in hand. And as Obama has very recently nationalized student loans, those who refuse to repay their loans, aren't sticking it to some Wall Street banker, they are sticking it to you and me and little Jimmy (assuming you and little Jimmy pay taxes).

"My own children say, "Dad, stop talking about it. I want to things to stay the same."

Yes this is the sad truth. Fantasy and reality are now so confused the belief that thinking can make it so runs rampant across the land. That we are all living in the twilight of what was the greatest golden age the human race ever knew is just too hard to face.

"...it will be interesting to see the former faculty chairpersons and distinguished professors of econometric modeling learn how to plant kale and care for chickens side-by-side with their formerly-indentured students." JHK posits this in the context of the Cultural Revolution in China. Well, the formerly "distinguished" should hope so! The outcome could really be more like Pol Pot's Kmer Rouge' reaction to their "Intellectual Elite". Rage often demands payback.

"...not exactly what she thought things would be."

Ahhh. It isn't what she expected. And I'm supposed to support her not repaying her loan because "it isn't what she expected"?

JK's gone rogue. Yesterday morning I posted a much more coherent visio of "what's next."

And you can be sure, we won't know what it is until after we are all a little more fucker over, and little poorer for having lived longer.

JK, there are enough salient areas regarding the degradation of the US and it's population. No need to make shit up - just because you are pissed about it.

The "real deal" going down is how the rich are going to arrange for the poor and working schmucks to pay for the luxury of a nation filled with auto-centric infrastructure that will increasingly be restricted to those living off of other people's money.

In other words, the government will soon learn how to tax poor people to pay for roads and bridges that they can't even afford to use.

A new cultural polarization will be brewing - between what's left of the "happy motoring public" and the millions and millions of those unable to afford it.

I suspect - it may start to leak into consciousness sometime after the next election charades season.......

" I think this will happen, and I would venture even to set the meme loose here and now and watch it go viral. "

Go viral? From this site? Uh huh.

Good try,Popcine! Please take note, though, that at the end of the western Roman Empire, the government wouldn't accept it's own specie in payment of taxes! This because the specie had been so debased with base metal. In fact, payment of taxes was often made in materiel or livestock.

Yes, I agree. But there is the small matter of food to consider.

When the dreams of free stuff, sumthin'-fer-nuthin', financial instruments, cheap food, and reward without work (sheep-ish-skins) go wherever it is that dreams go to die, the shit will assuredly be thrown into the fan with astonishing force. I have no doubts that we will all be splattered with some. The dosage will (of course) be determined by circumstance, but those who cannot help provide for their own needs (as well as others) will be in very deep trouble. The depths of one's education will no longer have any weight in a world of desperate need where what one can provide will be the overarching concern. (I don't have much use for a person who has a degree in "comparative religion", for instance.)

James, I do believe your hopeful premise on graduated students burning their loan contracts is pie in the sky. The OWS movement has presently fizzled out. That hopeful movement to force a redirection of thought and action by government officials has turned to dust.

Only under the most hardship of circumstances will a graduate be able to cancel their college loans. Here is a quote I found:

"Unless you can show that your education loan payment is an "undue hardship" on you, your family, and your dependents, your student loans are ineligible for cancellation (discharge) in bankruptcy.

It is difficult to prove "undue hardship" unless you are physically unable to work and there is no chance of your making money. To discharge your student loans under this special case, you must file a separate motion with the bankruptcy court and present your situation before a judge."

Just because a person graduated from a university doesn't mean they are rebellious and own an activist streak.

This nation is mostly filled with Sheeple, who watch too much t.v. and drink too much beer, and care too much about Nascar.
And, their best friend is named Bubba, and he is NOT the one who won the Master's Golf Tournie.

Those of us who are very alert and aware are generally helpless in the greater picture of change. All we can do is do it for ourselves and be prepared to plant the crops and split the wood.

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As a baby boomer, I think the best I can do is teach younger people about these realities, encourage the learning of practical homesteading skills, and otherwise model a life of intelligent response to the long emergency.

That's really all I can do.

So Mr Kunstler, let review the outcome of your prediction. Colleges that are left standing will accept NO ONE unless the cash is up front. Fluff departments ie most liberal studies will be devastated. Those that can get a job, engineering, perhaps chemistry etc will do well. You don't paint a very bright picture for the liberal viewpoint.

All due respect, until very recently I ran an education program for this age group and found them engaged and delightful. And my program attracted kids from all socioeconomic backgrounds--from affluent to undocumented kids. The classes were free, so they did not serve only those who had money. Smoky, if you really feel that way about your students, perhaps you need some time away from teaching them. And, as a teacher, you well know that you can never tell who you are reaching, as students often do have that delayed reaction. If you really care about your students, take heart--you may be changing lives, even when you don't know it.

"You don't paint a very bright picture for the liberal viewpoint."

That is because the liberal viewpoint isn't very bright to begin with. Nuff said.

Dale, JHK won't be driving us out of the cities for our own good. If you carefully read JHK's writings you will realize that it will be REALITY that exacts a change in our circumstances. Your comment is based on the notion that the consequences of our folly are optional. JHK's primary point is that the consequences are NOT optional.

(I don't have much use for a person who has a degree in "comparative religion", for instance.)

One of my daughter's dual-major degrees! And she's not even religious. Along with Anthropology. And she's not even interested in digging stuff up or doing cross-cultural research.

I mean, bless her heart for sticking to it long enough to get the sheeple-skin, but if only she had paid attention during all the years I was saying "Study foreign languages. Study foreign languages." Now she realizes the religion degree was a waste of time, and has no idea what good the Anthro will do her. It's nice to be proven right, but what good is being right if the timing's wrong?

Yeah, okay, but isn't there always cake? ;o)

I'm with Smokey Joe about college students. I've taught at a large university and for years have worked at an elite liberal arts college. The kids at this college are often remarkably accomplished, informed, and motivated to work for change; in the scheme of things they have a much better chance of being employed than most.They're very bright, well-meaning kids. But--they've never cut the chord and learned to rebel. So many still make daily calls to mom and dad, who helicopter overhead, to decide what classes to take or to talk about their day. While quite a few of them understand that the food, political, and economic systems are in bad shape, economics is still the leading major; the recruiting visits by Goldman-Sachs alumni are well attended; any protests must be preceded by non-violence training. A few years ago a minor move to relegate student drivers of honkin' new 12 mpg SUVs (bought my mom and dad to "protect" their little snowflake) to a less convenient parking lot in favor of those with more fuel-efficient vehicles was met with "we don't want to punish or alienate anyone; educating people is more productive." Well, it wasn't.

I just don't see the prerequisite cojones for Jim's scenario. Maybe the meek will in fact inherit the earth, but by the time that happens, who knows what shape it'll be in...

Yeah, right. Generation Xers tried to rise up against the system twenty years ago and it didn't work. Nirvana's 'Nevermind' LP is the only remaining artifact of our youthful rage. When Kurt Cobain died, our revolt died with him. So we shrugged, turned on our TV sets, and watched "Friends" for ten years. And most of us thought something was wrong with ourselves because we were living at home with our parents instead of rooming with cool, beautiful people in Manhattan. News flash: "Friends" was not a documentary!

Not to mention the late fees and the interest on the late fees will certainly exceed runaway inflation.

I only ever took out one small student loan and fees on mandatory minimum monthly payments that I was unable to pay in periods of unemployment ran my balance up quick. By the time I did pay it off I had paid back more than twice what I had originally borrowed. The experience taught me to avoid debt at all costs and today I'm happy to say I have none. The 'low' interest rate was not so low once payments were missed. I imagine its the same story today. I still remember the relief I felt when my balance was finally zero.

It was truly bizarre when checks I would send would be returned because I had not paid the 'minimum'.

From Lbendet - who is still blocked by a 403 ban

"A gift from a flower to the garden of Finzi-Continis

Today on a most glorious spring day, I was running my daily laps around Washington Square Park, where I suddenly noticed big crowds of people and cops of every stripe.

I thought this must be an OWSers special, but alas I was wrong…It was a giant pillow fight to take place and the Cops and EMS were all about.

I finally had to ask someone what was going on and chose a NY State cop standing with an EMS cop and he went on to say that since 9/11 everything is on high alert. Whenever there's a crowd this is the kind of coverage that is warranted and there are even plain clothes cops amongst the pillow fighters.

He went on to say this is becoming a police state and this is just the beginning….(whoa)

I asked him whether he thought the SCOTUS meets Abu Garib decision to strip search people for small infractions if arrested would lead to, ah…Abu Garib. I mentioned privatization of police and their pensions and he agreed that there's going to be a lot of misplaced anger. ---oh boy.

He also said its all about greed and look who's running for Pres.
He said Obama had to win last time around because the world was furious at W. and Cheney. He said O did nothing for us and can't do anything because he is told not to.

--Out of the mouth of cops…

Have a great Easter and Passover, folks---over and out

---LB"

"An addendum to my discussion with the cop: New York Magaizine's cover story is : Has Ray Kelly Lost His Cops?
It's all about the numbers game and computerization called CompStat that is destroying morale in the force."
-Lbendet-

Nice week's work, JHK.
I'll be back with my own comments, later.

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"You don't paint a very bright picture for the liberal viewpoint." -Rick

Well, that's kinda tough shit, ain't it? Reality/Nature knows [nor hearkens to] any political ideology. (Deep within his blackened and shriveled, nasty little heart, even Ulysses Roger Petersnapper senses that.)

"“Let's tell another one million students that when they graduate, they will be required to pay only 10 percent of their income on student loans, and all of their debt will be forgiven after 20 years –- and forgiven after 10 years if they choose a career in public service, because in the United States of America, no one should go broke because they chose to go to college.” – President Barack Obama, January 27, 2010"

And we'll give them cake too. And free healthcare. And other cool stuff we haven't thought of yet

Loans, pew. Since my family had no money my college ed was almost completely funded by Pell grants and I graduated right before Reagan gutted the Pell grant program. In the 30 or so years since, I can say that I and most of my cohort, have been fully engaged in our economy, paying mortgages, purchasing goods, paying for services and giving as much as we can to various charities and causes. Many of us were also attracted to jobs where we could do some good, and not just do well. Most of this activity would have been next to impossible if we had been saddled with huge debts. To my mind, low to no cost education pays a much bigger dividend than we can even measure.

Hugh, I agree with you. My first post my have led you to think that by "passive," I meant "slacker."

NO, that's my generation, the Xers straight out of Kevin Smith's Clerks.

You wrote:

"The problem's not poor clay, it's the potter. As parents, we've, and I'm speaking collectively here, do pander to our kids."

This is the problem. Howe and Strauss, while studying the affluent youth of Northern VA (as if there are not other kinds of Millennials) note it, too. They are protected and coddled and ushered from one planned activity to another by well-meaning Boomer parents. The Millennials have been told, from birth, that each of them is a beautiful and special snowflake and they will change the world.

What a crock of crap. To continue with Tyler Durden for a moment (an Xer hero if ever there were one), what they needed to hear is "You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else."

These Millennials are nice kids who collaborate, use technology well, and respect authority. Too much--they expect us to tell them where to stand, how to move from A to B to Z (with instructions at each letter in between). Raised on "Standards of Learning" that stymie critical thinking, they are passive.

These kids, ill equipped to adapt to change, will inherit the debris their elders, including my Slacker peers, leave them. Not slack, these kids.

Just passive, texting while the country goes to hell. And they are doomed, the minute their social hive online blinks and goes dark; JHK puts too much faith in them.

We teach in different setting. Millennials are nice kids. They are eager, but they've been poorly raised and lack critical-thinking skills and flexibility.

I worry about them.

No that was then, this is now. Now its let them eat shit.

Two things insist on constant growth as a measure of success: an economist and a cancer cell. Both eventually kill their host. Our host system of economics, now in its death throes, has had such a hold on our world view that we are unable to envision a viable succession plan. We turn to jackasses like Mel Gibson for the grizzly version, or Pat Robertson for the happy rapture ending. A more intimate, mundane daily slog is likely in store--as so well described by our host in World Made by Hand and The Witch of Hebron.


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You forgot to mention the hovering flock of armed forces recruiters seeking to pick up the best and brightest. Grunts and drone pilots to hold the line. Here at home thanks to NDAA 2012 and whatever 3rd World shithole of choice President Romney chooses. My son came home from school and told me he is considering joining the service after he graduates next year. "But Dad,they'll pay for school. Just like they did for you." Not exactly what I wanted to hear. Go to school become a Doctor ! Being a Medic on an A Team doesn't pay as well as a Nip Tuck out in the Hamptons. Go for the bucks !

Wouldn't another approach to walking away from enormous student debt be to leave the U.S. for good? To where is not necessarily obvious, but the problems this country faces are enormous and we've become very dysfunctional at solving anything.

I remember stopping by to see my undergraduate adviser many years after I had graduated. It was 2001 and I was returning for an advanced degree. He was happy to see me and when we talked he commented that he missed having students like me. I was surprised by his comment and asked him why. My belief at the time was that things pretty much always stay the same and only faces change.

He explained that everything was different and all his new students cared about was partying and doing the bare minimum to get by. He missed students who were passionate about learning, like me.

Obviously being a French Major is not a very good idea, especially if it comes with a $250,000 four-year price tag. I tell my children I will pay for college if they have a practical major like medicine, engineering, math, science, etc. No Women’s Studies, Fine Art Majors or anything like that.

People will always need health care, engineering builds things and the future involves higher math and science if we have any chance of competing with China and India. It’s probable that the world economy is in a Permanent Economic Contraction. Too many workers and not enough jobs. Especially with all US jobs being outsourced to third world countries so CEOs can continue to collect massive multi-million dollar salaries. Not just outsourcing factory jobs but Wall Street jobs as well. Anyone can use a computer anywhere in the world.

Really don’t understand the mind set of the 1%. How much money does one person need? How many mega-mansions? The Paul Ryan budget is designed to make the super rich even richer at the expense of turning the rest of us into third world peasants. Who wants to live in a third world country? They are dangerous places but the 1% seems not to care. Do they think the extra tax breaks will allow them to wall us out so we can’t get to them? Greed has apparently blinded them and destroyed whatever conscience they might have had.

What’s especially troubling is all the yahoos who want to make birth control IMPOSSIBLE to afford or even get. 7 billion souls live on this planet. 7 billion hungry souls who are all looking for 3 squares and a roof over their head. Nothing can wall out 7 billion desperate people. Doesn’t the 1% know how perilous they are making their own future? Desperation makes people crazy, dangerous and completely unpredictable. And if you’re desperate, you’ve got nothing to lose. Or do the 1% actually think, that can’t happen to them because they’re too rich and their delusions trump reality?

But that would require drive, ambition and a plan.

Gol'durnit, I was hoping you wouldn't say that. ;o)
(Sounds dee-lish, but how much nutritional value does this shit contain?)

Since education has been turned into another for-profit racket, complete with inflated expectations and record expenses, we can expect another bubble style writedown. The analogy to the housing market is strong, except you can't foreclose on a college degree or squat inside it as a last resort.

Yet it remains very popular with the Banks because it can't be discharged, is guaranteed by the Gov't (aka the taxpayer) and most importantly gets the lender in on the ground floor of the young consumer's future debt slavery.

Students would be well advised to select their field of study with care - most of the fluff degrees will be worthless but there will continue to be a need for people who can actually do something, like sewer plant operators, food producers and pothole fillers.

Liberals ! Still seeking the puppies & kittens answers to the dark clouds gathering. Their BOHICA attitude is one of the many reasons that kids are coming out of school unprepared. Thank you NEA for setting the standards so low IQ's don't count. After all, it could be considered hurtful to reward little Johnnie WASP and not Kinta Jammiel Da Homie.

As a so-called member of the so-called Gen-X crowd, I find it interesting to watch the generation "behind me" play out their angst. I agree, there are some nice ones, but scratch the surface further and you get anomalies like Facebook and MySpace (what's left of it) and 4chan and other phenomena that boggle my mind. They have no concept of privacy, and it does stem from a lack of critical thinking, as I can't count how many times I've seen "the next great generation" do stupid, vapid things that are against their own best interests. Here is a generation dumb enough to post about how great their party experience was while playing hooky from work, not expecting the boss to check in on them (a true story, by the way). Facebook boasts that they can detect affairs online before the "other" person can, Google would love to know more about the inside of my ass if I'd let them, and the concept of not getting a mutual masturbation session from a TSA agent is something they can't comprehend, even though I fondly recall being able to board a plane at an airport without the public grope.

Gen-X may have seemed disaffected with their "we're doing our thing, buzz off" attitude, but at least they had a reason. They watched their parents get the shaft from "The System" (for you boomers out there, read as: "The Man") via mass layoffs, dwindling union power, plundered pensions, decreased civil liberties, the incestant drumbeat of consumerism, and even now, the boomers madly scramble for scraps of retirement that are being siphoned away from them via Wall Street scams. Why do you think so many Gen-X were so reluctant to join a system that bent them and the knee with a jar of lube? "We" all knew what was in store for us, "we" all knew that delaying or resisting it as much as possible was the only civil choice we had left (as violence was a last resort, despite all of the cheesy 80's action flicks that were spewed at us from Hollywood), and "we" either (a) ended up on the fringe eeking out our living, but living happily in lives that are fulfilling, or (b) ended up in the system, but have been very, very cautious about what things we sign off on, leery that the next piece of paper shoved in front of us to sign will be the same disaster our folks went through.

Me, I didn't make it through college (for literal lack of food) and ended up in the 'burbs, but at least I ended up in the 'burbs with a wood stove, a rack of wood hidden under a tarp, a back yard that gets enough sunlight to grow food, and quick access into - and more importantly out of - town. Gee, I wonder why I would choose to live like that? I carry my multitool with me in my pocket at all times, I have done scores of rides on mass transit (to where I know all the best ways around it locally), my unfortunate need for a car means that my car is used, low-miles, and in the back of my mind always considered disposable in the next 3 years, and last but not least, and I read a whole lot more about what is happening and what I need to do to keep my family from starving to death when this time comes. Next on the list, a functioning greenhouse prototype, decreased motoring / increased public transit, and teaching myself how to start a fire without the use of oil-based products. When's the last time you started a fire with just a match, no "firestarter" logs and no propane insta-click lighters? How about starting the fire with no matches, just a flint and steel camping arrangement? Do you keep 5 gallon water jugs in your garage? Have you cooked on top of your wood stove? I do, and I have. Something to think about when the electrical infrastructure fails, which should be right around the time I've converted all of my digital data into printed copy, so no family photo or written text will be left behind.

You underestimate us, and forget about us, because frankly, there aren't enough of us to matter, despite the fact that we may be a better bet on the future. We recall what it was to be without computers, the internet, cell phones, and other constructs of our world today. We remember some of the lost cultural knowledge and have lived through the parts of history that most millennial still get wrong (you wouldn't believe the number of times I've read something that was completely the opposite of what I lived through, and always by someone under 30). We're not taking this any more idly than we did back in the 90's. Many of us are doing rather than ignoring, things like alternative housing, urban farming, low-impact living, alternative or low-energy lifesytles, and on and on. We're the folks silently getting ready and figuring out how to gracefully transition "down", and as usual, we're doing it without "The System", thank-you-very-much.

Maybe the millenials will pull their head out of their Twitter-induced stupor and surprise me, and mass-revolt against the system. Maybe they will have enough momentum and spark by shear dint of their numbers to pull this off.

Naw, who am I kidding? Most of them can't even get through the day without their Ritalin.

Like the anti-war youth of August, 1968, burning their draft cards in the streets of Chicago, the Millennials should flock to Charlotte and Tampa this summer and fill the parking lots (there are no streets in these places) with the smoke of their burning loan contracts...

I am taking exception to this analogy. There is no "Like" between the draft and student loans.

The draft was forced servitude with a risk of prison for not complying with the "Selective Service System." A student loan is voluntary with no risk of jail. Nobody dies if you refuse to take out a student loan.

Upon being drafted your first step is basic training with the goal of learning how to efficiently kill other human beings. People die.

Upon getting your student loan your first step is student orientation and classes with the goal of learning how to think in ways that help other human beings.

In higher education you are encouraged to ask questions and reason out answers. The goal is learning how to learn, so as to become independent. Surpassing the teacher is the goal.

In the military you are to told to shut up and obey orders. The goal is a vertically hierarchical chain of command which only functions well if people are dependent on mommy military and don't challenge authority.

"Or do the 1% actually think, that can’t happen to them because they’re too rich and their delusions trump reality?"

Bingo -- but its not exactly that their delusions trump reality. As long as there are people to generate the surplus on which they survive they prevail. That the surplus may not be enough to share with those who produce it is irrelevant to them. When life was miserable and cold and life expectancy on average was 32 years (the early 1800s) they had a surplus which allowed them to live very comfortably. Smallpox was the 'poor mans friend' which did not ravage those with an adequate diet and who on average were significantly taller then the poor.

I have lived long enough to know that the lessons learned by one generation are frequently forgotten by the generations which follow. The social structure of the 0.1% however endures generation upon generation. That's what Harvard and the Skull and Bones is all about, continuity.

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Like the anti-war youth of August, 1968, burning their draft cards in the streets of Chicago, the Millennials should flock to Charlotte and Tampa this summer and fill the parking lots (there are no streets in these places) with the smoke of their burning loan contracts...

I am taking exception to this analogy. There is no "Like" between the draft and student loans.

The draft was forced servitude with a risk of prison for not complying with the "Selective Service System." A student loan is voluntary with no risk of jail. Nobody dies if you refuse to take out a student loan.

Upon being drafted your first step is basic training with the goal of learning how to efficiently kill other human beings. People die.

Upon getting your student loan your first step is student orientation and classes with the goal of learning how to think in ways that help other human beings.

In higher education you are encouraged to ask questions and reason out answers. The goal is learning how to learn, so as to become independent. Surpassing the teacher is the goal.

In the military you are to told to shut up and obey orders. The goal is a vertically hierarchical chain of command which only functions well if people are dependent on mommy military and don't challenge authority.

Ugh. Reading through my last post, I can see that the need for an edit-your-posting button. So many grammatical errors. My bad. Forgive a hasty posting done in the early morning.

I'm afraid that JHK is himself a victim of the 'psychology of previous investment'. He has invested so much of his time and energy in his vision of the future that he cannot disinvest himself from his own predictions. One should note that virtually none of JHK's prophecies have come to pass. We are, however, left with an ever diminishing present which is, in actuality, the future in real time. This is the Long Emergency, except that growing your own garden has been rendered unsustainable by the continuing, and growing, fallout from the Fukushima disaster. It's no longer enough to say: "I have seen the Future, and it stinks!" This reality in which we already live, an endless financial depression coupled with an all powerful police state, already has the pervasive stench of terminal social decay. We needn't wait upon the Future to turn our world inside out and upside down. It is already here and it's infinitely more monstrous than any of us could imagine.

No nutritional value but as one resource becomes scarce another of inferior quality usually takes its place. Technology occasionally finds a superior substitute but that actually rare. Oil is currently a great example. Oil comes in many forms but the EROEI or 'nutritional value' it has goes down every year.

The transition from cake to shit is the normal course of events.

Just try and do the best you can. A post with grammatical errors is better than no post at all.

Hey, spammer! Next time, you might want to find a Polish to English translator before you copy and paste your ads. Actually, I hope there isn't a next time for your commercial speech here. Bloody Viking!

Inflated expectations -> Dashed hopes.

Deflation of those inflated expectations -> Long overdue.

One Gen Xers perspective:

What our Grandparents got right: Hanging together through truly trying times.
What our parents got right: Letting their kids learn hard life lessons, drink from the garden hose, play outside unsupervised, but guiding us when necessary.
What we're getting right: Realistic expectations of society, of ourselves, and of life. Little or no sense of entitlement.
What the Millenials are getting right: Hopefulness, optimism, willingness to work together. I've read them asking JHK and Nicole Foss after events, "OK. But what can we DO about this?"

What our Grandparents got wrong: Four years fighting on distant shores did not actually entitle you to Happy Motoring & air-conditioned everything (thanks JHK)
What our parents got wrong: Not realizing that investing resources in private spaces at the expense of the public realm has actually robbed us of our humanity.
What we're getting wrong: Thinking that medication, therapy, well-scripted TV dramas, Apple products, and social networking enrich life. (They actually ruin it.)
What the Millenials are getting wrong: You aren't actually owed anything. You never were. You aren't now. And you never will be.

"You forgot to mention the hovering flock of armed forces recruiters seeking to pick up the best and brightest. Grunts and drone pilots to hold the line. Here at home thanks to NDAA 2012 and whatever 3rd World shithole of choice President Romney chooses." -GG

I think that's an "option" (as your son seems to entertain) that will be the final spasm of the paper empire: Food PROVIDED for enforcers only; everyone else will either dirty their hands or perish (even in the gulags, or especially so). Then it's Orlov's chaos when the "defensive forces" can no longer be paid in any tangible sense, and resulting various criminal organizations (your basic piracy) until the inevitable whittling down of the population to carrying-capacity levels.

You could say that's not a very good prognostication of growth and recovery. ;o)

Drill, baby drill! (Overheard at an emergency dental clinic.)

I have a couple of student loans. Should have been paid off a long time ago. But, I refinanced one and the company I did this with lost track of the accounting. Huge differences in the balance I thought I had and what they thought I owed. I haven't made a payment on that one for about twenty years. The other was sold to HFC when the originating bank went out of business. HFC, for some mysterious reason which was never explained to my or THEIR satisfaction, changed the account number of the loan and THEY lost track of the account balance. Both have been hanging in mid-air for over twenty years.

Have fun kids!!!

It started out as Chinese and was translated to polish. The Propaganda Department of the Communist Party of China or 'Publicity Department' is trying to hide their tracks.

But then, your guess is as good as mine.

Nice post Quieteyes, I think you'll find that most of the ol'timers on CFN have done all these things. Me, I can start a fire anywhere, anyhow, but while it is available I prefer a propane torch ;o) Water? Sheeeeet I've got a collection system that holds 550 gallons. Beans, Band-aids, and Bullets. You can't go wrong with the three B's

Wen they have you firmly by the short-hairs its advantageous for them to change the account number and loose track of the account balance. When the dust settles you owe more money. How convenient.

Wouldn't another approach to walking away from enormous student debt be to leave the U.S. for good? To where is not necessarily obvious, but the problems this country faces are enormous and we've become very dysfunctional at solving anything."

But, since NAFTA, CAFTA & Shafta, you just can't pack up and go just anywhere. Most countries have minimum income and self support requirements now, meaning that THEY are not going to support you, you gotta be able to support yourself, WITHOUT taking a job away from a local person.

But in the US, corporations can still bring in employees from India to displace the local talent.

Dee

To close out a thread from last week:

Back in the day my wife and I were practicing Catholics (though I had abandoned any serious belief in key tenets of the religion and she entered churches not really to worship but more as a tourist/anthropoligist would enter a temple in an exotic foreign land). Nevertheless, our children were baptised, took catechism classes and were confirmed.

Our articulate and serious minded young priest did not treat baptism lightly. We had to take a class one evening along with two other couples who were also preparing to have newborns baptized. To do justice to the subject of Baptism one could easily spend a semester but we three couples endured only perhaps two or three hours squirming on hard wooden chairs in the priest's rectory office the highlight of which instruction had to do with Baptismal naming. A Google search in this regard reveals the following:

"From the earliest times names were given in baptism. The priest is directed to see that obscene, fabulous, and ridiculous names, or those of heathen gods or of infidel men be not imposed. On the contrary the priest is to recommend the names of saints. This rubric is not a rigorous precept, but it is an instruction to the priest to do what he can in the matter. If parents are unreasonably obstinate, the priest may add a saint's name to the one insisted upon."

At a minimum the priest recommended using the name of a good and beloved relative such as an Uncle. He added that the naming of children in general, apart from a Baptismal name, should not be taken lightly, not be obscene, fabulous or ridiculous. This admonition stuck with me and came immediately to mind (decades ago) when I happened to learn that the O. in O.J.Simpson stood for Orenthal and that a particular aunt had become the default go-to maker-upper of names for new babies in the family. The article I read claimed that these names were completely contrived out of thin air as you might imagine certain prescription drug names are conceived. To be fair Wikipedia says "His aunt gave him the name Orenthal, which supposedly was the name of a French actor she liked."

Apparently this practice of dreaming up names unconnected to anything relevant in the family of a newborn has become common in black culture. There was, for example, a professional football player, named Peerless Price. When asked how he got this name he told the story from family lore that his pregnant mother was sitting on the front stoop thinking about what to name the baby when a truck rolled by with "Peerless Furniture" painted on its side. The rest is history. Ironically, for all my thinly veiled derision of these odd contrived names, I like this one for its alliteration and the challenge of a reputation to be lived up to. *Peerless*

Not only do these names come out of thin air but it is a virtual certainty that they will not be common in any way to the names of the majority anglo culture in which they and their ancestors have been surrounded (if not immersed) for up to 400 years. Unquestionably and understandably this is the result of a seething leftover animosity from slavery. One might have expected though, 150 years after emancipation and 50 years after the gains of the civil rights era, affirmative action, busing to achieve racial equality, school lunch programs, etc, that this animosity would have fizzled to some degree and there would be increasing signs of assimilation of blacks into the majority, dominant and original Anglo culture (setting aside the native American Indians long since overwhelmed).

But no, the progress toward such assimilation has been paltry at best and may even be reversing. After all these years blacks and whites are still effectively speaking different languages (a pet peeve of mine). We know, for example, with 90% accuracy (my estimate) that an annonymous customer rep with whom we are dealing on the phone (sight unseen, obviously) is black. But if Jeremy Lin is on the phone we have no idea we are speaking to a Chinese American.

This naming practice has become so thoroughly entrenched that we are actually surprised when when a black is named Tom, Dick, or Harry.

The FRED essay linked by Vlad the other day made clear the effect of these contrived black names: the erection of an insuperable wall between blacks and whites.

Asoka might say I'm delusional or paranoid. Buck might say "but consider the context, consider the rationale." At random I googled up the rosters of several NBA and NFL pro teams (where I knew I could find a large number of black names condensed for me in one place [the NBA is 82% black]) and cherry picked these names: LaDainian, Plaxico, D'Brickashaw, Jamaal, Marquice, Darrelle, Dedrick, Jamarko, Amar'e, Deron, MarShon, Lavoy, Jamar, Joselio, DeSean, Jaiquawn, Trevard, LeSean, Asante, Jameer and Delonte. And now we can add to this list the non-athlete name Trayvon.

I doubt there was once a mother explaining to her future black star athlete son (as my onetime priest would have had it) that he was named in honor of a wonderful, kind, generous and successful great uncle named D'Brickashaw Jones. Nor will you find, I would guess, a dozen white people in the entirety of the United States with any of these names on their birth certificates.

Long gone, for the most part, are the names of black athletes from an earlier era like Jackie Robinson, Willie Mays, [Sugar] Ray leonard and Thomas [Hitman] Hearns.

For contrast, take this following list of 10 names I came up with by Googling "Famous Asian American Athletes." B.J.Penn, Ron Darling, Dat Nguyen, Kristi Yamaguchi, Roman Gabriel, Apolo Anton Ohno, Hines Ward, Michelle Kwan, Michael Chang, Tiger Woods and potentially, soon to be added, Jeremy Lin. Some of these, mind you, were not born in the U.S. and were born before any intention to emmigrate had solidified. There is a genuine feel that the parents of these athletes wished to see their children assimilate into the dominant culture.

Based on names alone, FRED's proposition that blacks and whites are immiscible seems incontrovertable while this is not true of nearly all [other] immigrant groups. One group after another of wretced refuse from the world's teeming shores arrived long after the blacks, were absorbed into the dominant culture, leaving the blacks willfully standing apart behind them.

"People will always need health care, engineering builds things and the future involves higher math and science if we have any chance of competing with China and India."

Say, remember when it was China & India trying to compete with the US? The US waz the GOAL!

How sad.

Dee

Money? What is this "money" that you refer to?

Of course, in the long emergency, careers in the medical, engineering, math and science fields will remain firm, steady, and even grow, right? People who can "cut the mustard" would be wise to flock to those bastions of job security, right?

How about a major in history with four years of Spanish (to the point of fluency), and four years of college athletics (track and cross country)? A stupid course of action, right?

I mean in the long emergency, Spanish fluency, critical thinking skills, and an ability to organize and coach young people who want to compete and have fun, are all completely worthless skills, right?

By the way, I have a daughter at a top twenty graduate school who is working on her PhD in math. She's got it made, right?

Unfortunately, that's not what I'm hearing or seeing.

At the end of the day, I suspect critical thinking skills might matter in the long emergency. But then again, I may be missing something.

In other words, you would like to ban guns, all guns, for everyone. Only a militia has the right to have guns. And the only real militia is the National Guard. You're a Statist - exactly what the Founders warned us against.

Cornpone Fascists in Michigan? Too bad the Courts ruled against Obama and Holder and let the Hutaree free. Bad thoughts are still legal Vinnie. For now. Sorry.

PRD,

Our child had an average amount of student loan debt until just recently.

Her first two years were paid for by us and with scholarships. Then she "sat out" for over a year. When she went back to finish, she was newly unemployed and took out the student loans.

We weren't sure if she would stick with it and so we told her that if/when she got her degree, _then_ we would help her pay off the debt, which we have.

We never advised her to default. We did, however, advise her to _never_ do that again. If it should ever make any kind of sense to go back to school in the future...find a way to pay as you go. No More. Debt. After numerous conversations on the subject and her knowledge of the predicaments some of her friends are in, I am convinced she
"gets it".

We have removed this burden from her shoulders, but this was a one-time deal. She's on her own now. Debt free. I hope she makes the right financial decisions from here on.

I'm not expecting the Millennials to rise up. From what I've seen in my local smalltown withering Occupy scene,the Millennials are the most underrepresented group. The most represented group are the baby boomers. The impetus torwards revolution from the baby boomers was actually just a small part of them, most were just part of the herd. The true radicals never bought into the fraudulent American Dream and have been pineing away all these years and were eager to reenlist in Occupy. I was present for one discussion where half a dozen boomers all found out they had each been part of the SDS in their youth. Another thing I noticed at the withering Occupy is that Americans expect others to do things for them. We are an infantile people. Change will only be something that happens to them. The Millennials can stop paying their loans, and the rest of us could stop our mortgages and federal taxes. There is absolutely no reason not to stop paying and there is no morality in paying. This would shake up everything, unfortunately people being what they are, I do not see this happening.

urp burp! you should excuse yourself

But college is where the best looking babes are, Jim. Besides, where else can you party for 5-6 years and have the government pay for it. Babes to hook up with, free beer, getting to sleep late ... what more can you ask!!

--WSP7

The larger problem here is "college syndrome" -- the idea that EVERYBODY needs to "go to college".

In my opinion, it's a cultural relic of a well-intentioned desire by parents of working class backgrounds 50 years ago to have their children not work on the assembly line or selling used cars "like we did".

The problem is, it no longer conveys an advantage because so many people go to college. A BA degree in any subject is largely valueless, and even in the narrow areas where it still conveys some value (law, medicine, engineering) it is fading quickly as more and more people grab MBAs or other masters degrees in an endless paper race for educational superiority.

The other problem is the notion that "everyone should go to college" has is that it completely devalues blue collar careers at any level. I'm "college educated" and know electricians and plumbers I'd consider smarter than I am.

Most of the Millenials are dumb fucks to be sure. But at least some of them seem to be more racially conscious than either the Boomers or the Xers. Prejudice has given way to real knowledge based on real experience with Blacks and Browns. And all the attacks against Whites on Youtube aren't hurting either. They know that the happy talk from the MSM on Race is just crap.


"And then something truly marvelous will happen. They will at once disempower the swindling generation of their fathers, teachers, loan officers, and overlords and quite possibly bring on, at long last, the epochal collision of pervasive American control fraud with the hard hand of reality."

So why are all of this nation's woes the fault of Baby Boomers, especially this one? I am 58 years old. I went to high school from 1967- 1971. I CLEARLY recall that my entire high school class was "encouraged" (no; "pressured" is better) to go to college. I remember one teacher telling a class of us kids that if we didn't go to college we could end up as "ditch diggers". Hilariously, one classroom wit retorted that backhoe operator are paid very well, thank you!
Understand, if you will that these teachers were then in the 30 year old and up range. So they would have been born around 1937 or, in many cases prior to that year. No, you can't lay this one at the doorstep of "Boomers". The education racket is a lot older than we are, and this nation's demise was started prior to our coming of age. For example, I remember that the outsourcing of manufacturing was started as early as the 1960's. It is not possible to have a healthy ecomomy without a healthy manufacturing sector. The good paying jobs were shipped out, and foreigners (Indians, primarily) were brought in to take what was left of semi-decent paying service sector employment (computer programmers, nurses, etc.)

One more thing, on a more serious note. Bankruptcy does not get you out from underneath of a Federal student loan. I read recently -- I can't remember where -- there are actually people serving sentences Federal Prison right now who tried to welch on student loans.

In New England all these private, phony colleges are springing up everywhere, in abandoned shopping centers and abandoned public schools, enlisting unqualified students (by he thousands) for the sole purpose of getting their hands on that govt. student loan swag. Many of the students are minority. These schools are not accredited, and the degrees they grant are worthless. Its really reprehensible, yet nothing is being done about it.

--WSP7

Just a little tidbit for ya'll to ruminate on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVVBtbFhDyg&feature=player_embedded

Greetings,

Here is a quick and amusing Millennial story.

So my daughter brings her boyfriend over so I can meet him. He is going to a community college near here but wants to transfer to Berkeley. I pop out my Apple Itouch and show him where I downloaded all the classes I wanted to "take" from Berkeley and MIT. These are classes in electrical engineering which I used to teach myself electronics which I then used to start my own business. In as little as 3 years, I went from knowing nothing about electronics to producing a product that you guys here whenever you turn on the TV or Radio. (Aeorsmith, Miley Cyrus, Tyga, Glee, Turner Broadcasting, etc) The best part??? all free.

I further went on to explain that the only reason I went to college was that the internet didn't exist (as we know it now) so I had to go there to learn. Why, I asked, would anyone go into debt to learn something that they can learn online for free?

Nothing I said mattered as these kids (my daughter included) are brainwashed into thinking that the only way anyone can learn anything is by paying lots and lots of money. If it doesn't cost thousands of dollars then it must have no value.

I really feel for this spoiled generation.

who is saying anything about "free" health care single payer is just more efficient than a "for profit" system.

get your own blog!

Did you catch John Derbyshire's article about "The Talk" he would give to his kids about Blacks? It got him fired from National Review. He has joined an august group of Conservatives who told the Truth and got the axe: Sam Francis and Joe Sobran to name two.

Briefly and in a measured tone and charitable voice, he says everything I have said in the last few years. To wit, that while individual Blacks may be fine, in groups they are dangerous and destructive. What he doesn't do is explore the social implications of all this as I have tried to do.

Significantly, neither nor Fred Reed as White Nationalists since they both have married non Whites - Reed a Mexican and Derbyshire an East Asian.

Plus a lot of the classes in college today are internet based. There are even discussion threads where you can exchange ideas about course content. So if you dig Shakespeare and Chaucer, as opposed to ditches, you can read up on it, explore comments on your own, and formulate your own ideas.

College is a scam used to take from the young and enhance, you guessed it, the big banks. When they start taking literally everyone who applies (can fog a mirror), the value of college goes down. Sounds like a redux of the housing bubble to me. Same shit, different day! Chao, for now, BITCHES!

You mean like our "single delivery system" the U.S postal service?

Oh yeah, those folks are extremely efficient. Ditto the Dept of Education, the EPA, etc. etc. etc.

We are not bankrupt, as a nation, because the efficiencies of our innumerable "single delivery agencies".

Jim,this is going to sound strange too, but what would be really great is if Suze Orman could have you on her show! She rails against the banks and personal debt constantly and against the student-loan racket in particular. She still has an almost touching faith in capitalism, though -- you might be able to push her over the edge into calling for your student-loan jubilee idea.

get your own blog!
I did! It does what it should be doing - collecting dust on a decript part of the internet!

Seriously, if you're going to use a reverse-privacy-diary, oops, I meant "blog", then you might as well use it to teach or do something meaningful, besides posting brain farts.

I gave up on it, partly because it seemed like a waste of time, and partly because no-one wants to hear or listen to some dumbass (i.e. me) pontificate about how you could make your life better and the lives of others better by actually doing something. It seems most people would really, really like to hear about how someone had to visit the local Emergency Room for an obstructed bowel movement, and share "the experience" of getting their first rectal exam.

(obligatory link for the tl;dr crowd: a fine example of what not to post in public: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=262412 )

I appreciate the dual-nature of your post - on the one side, you're saying "get out of here and go elsewhere because we don't appreciate your kind here", on the other you're saying "that was potentially interesting information, can you do it over here so it can be productive". My response is, well, slightly sarcastic, but also slightly serious. I figured a dual-answer for a dual-proposition made sense. :)

@ KYOOSHTIK

My wife works in an inner-city hospital. Nearly all of her Af/Am patients who deliver babies give them names no one's ever heard before. Once, one of her patients gave her babies one of these odd names, then asked my wife: "How do you spell that?" My wife said, "How on Earth would I know? You just now made it up!"

Ha ha.

I come from a family of higher education types. I'm the only of my 9 siblings to not have an advanced degree. The fact that I never completed my 4-year degree is something they can't even comprehend. I'm no dumber or smarter than they are, I think. It's just that at some point I realized it was a game, and I saw how it was played and how to win or lose, and I completely lost interest. I get along fine with my family. I lend them money, and don't fret the repayment.


All my relatives complain constantly about the current crop of kids. I can't say they're wrong. But I don't think they're right, either. Every new group of kids has different ways of communicating, and finds significance in different things. My son is 14, and he and his friends are the nicest, smartest group of people I know. Sure; right now they're a lot smarter than dumb ol' Dad, but every once in a while they drop one on me that shows me that they weren't just listening; they were thinking, too, and they've added something I hadn't thought of.


The boy is an 8th grader in a Minneapolis Public middle school. On a recent morning he said, "Dad? What do you know about 'passive construction'?" I said, "It's how good liars lie." He laughed, and said, "That's what my English teacher said." He picked up the local paper and scanned a story on Iran's nuclear threat. He pointed out phrases like, "possibly," "may," "could," "according to experts," "It is thought," and a hypothetical doomsday scenario spun by a "Security Expert." He said, "This is all a pack of lies, isn't it?" I said, "I don't know, but you're picking up the telltale warning signs. When you see that kind of language, you need to know to be careful."


He then read a story on the "improving" economy. He asked, "When they say retail sales are up, do they mean people are buying more stuff, or that prices are going up?" He followed that one up by asking, "Why is it good when credit goes up? Doesn't that mean people have more debt? Isn't that bad?"


He marked up a couple of articles and cut them out. "Extra Credit in English," he said. The Minneapolis Public Schools are clearly doing something right.


He's planning, as are a group of his friends, to go to local Community College and then see what they can do for education without getting caught in the debt trap. They're talking about traveling right after High School, to get an idea of what it is to take care of one's self, and have an idea of what hard living is, so they don't sit around eating Cheetos and smoking dope, running up huge debt on a degree they only vaguely want because they're told they should want it.


They're getting the idea that there isn't any Santa In The Sky to take care of them, be it government or an employer or what have you. Moreover, that's a good thing, not a scary thing. They're learning that you can't be an Anarchist of any kind unless you can take responsibility for yourself, and to yourself, first. Whenever they find a metaphorical treat, they're looking it over closely, to see where the hook is hidden.


It's easy, and alluring, to say the kids are all morons. When I was a kid, though, everybody watched "The Dukes of Hazzard" on primetime TV. We're not that much dumber today. And the stretch between presented reality and actual experience is getting so wide; the cognitive dissonance so unbearable; the kids might not be keying on in the things that occur to me most naturally, but they're seeing the things they need to see. They'll do fine when it becomes their world.

She also abruptly started talking about a year ago how people really don't need their own homes to be happy. I think she takes her cues from her network higher ups. And they from their Banking higher ups. Shit rolls downhill and the hoi polloi must begin to lower their expectations. Helpful friends like Snooze are just the ticket.

I don't buy the lady next door image either. Lesbo is my guess.

JIM!! Everyone, Id like to share a true and recent story!
One SUNDAY at 6am I got a call, the caller sounded Filipino. Wanting a 'Miss X'. Well she lived in the next building years ago.
Then I 'got it'. I have a landline and they got my # because hers is a cell and shes moved out of state. Well! They want her to pay her student loan!
They keep calling but have promised 4X? to stop harassing me. This happened years ago with the Police calling me and bill collectors wanting to 'speak to another neighbors gal pal' [who was never on the lease].
Will there be indentured serfs? Debtors prisons?
6 am on a Sunday morning they called, and they keep saying they wont call me anymore.

Listening to Rush now, he says there will be 4000? more IRS agents to go after the uninsured!!!!

15 years ago a friend was getting his PHD in Physics at UCLA. He said the students were uninspired and showed up at his office to ask
'grade grub' questions.
Perhaps 1 or 2 in a class were what he called 'bright'. Overall they were 'on their way to med school'if they could get in.

UCLA = U C Lotsa Asians.
Oh someone else claims UCLA is now mostly foreigners.

I believe you. The times are extreme and thus bring out the extremes in human nature, both the good and the bad; the smartest and the stupidest; the survivors and the sheep. You are a lucky man to have such a son who has followed you into not being a follower.

I'm reminded of what the Media do when minorities go on a killing spree: immediately emote how they hope there is no reaction. In other words, worry about what might happen and ignore what actually did happen. I think it was General Wesley Clark who said after the Fort Hood massacre: The real tragedy would be if multiculturalism in the military was hurt. So much for the soldiers who died. No Tragedy - they were just White Americans.

'the idea that EVERYBODY needs to "go to college".'
Clinton in the 90s actually said just that.

College seems to be a race to the bottom!
PC group think, MECHA, Laraza, wetbacks [especially
in this area] and especially the for profit schools, loan scams and online classes.

Ill post a bit about the gang of 88, such monsters.

Angela Davis, Ward Churchill, and these ones..
rest of article is online:
Whatever Happened to the Group of 88?
By KC Johnson
A few years ago, Cornell University spokesperson Thomas W. Bruce rejoiced that the Ivy League school had brought to Ithaca a man whose "distinguished background in contemporary global cultural studies," and whose "unique perspectives and talents" would "add to the range of reasoned intellectual discourse at Cornell."
The professor about whom Bruce gushed was Grant Farred, whose latest contribution to "intellectual discourse at Cornell" came when he labeled two graduate students "black bitches." One of the most extreme members of the Group of 88 (the Duke faculty members who issued a guilt-presuming public statement two weeks into the lacrosse case), Farred had denounced as "racist" those Duke students who registered to vote in Durham; and had wildly charged that unnamed lacrosse players had committed perjury. Duke's settlement with the three falsely accused players shielded him from civil liability for the latter remarks. Cornell knew this record of contempt for the students he taught when it not only awarded Farred a tenured position, but promoted him to full professor, with a median salary of $154,300.

Rush rules! By listening while we post - we have an immense advantage over the rest of these postal workers. Last hour he told us how one of Bretibart's Bright Boys went to vote and said he was Eric Holder. The Polling Person said no problema!

They're learning that you can't be an Anarchist of any kind unless you can take responsibility for yourself, and to yourself, first.

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I doubt the public schools are teaching the positive aspects of anarchism. But from wherever they are learning it, I'm glad anarchism is not being presented in a negative light.

Too many people confuse anarchism (a voluntary, nonviolent system of mutual aid) with anarchy (an involuntary state of disorder often imposed by violence).

LOL - good point

Agronomy? Tripp might disagree.

Nursing? The US imports nurses from Philippines.
Theres a Filipino Nurses association here.
The RNs are being pushed out by the LVNs.
Nurses insist the FOBs [freshoffadaboat] have ruined the profession. 'Filipino nurses that cant even insert a feeding tube' is what one nurse said.

Did you catch John Derbyshire's article about "The Talk"
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I just read it on your advice. I'm not surprised he got canned given the state of political correctness in this country. For God's sake, all poor Jimmie the Greek said was "look at that monkey run" and that was the end of his career.

You have made an excellent point. The long emergency will employ quite different skills than what people commonly worship and go ga-ga about now.

Even if things were not to change which is impossible. The engineering, math and science fields have always gone through extreme boom and bust cycles. Engineering is far from being as stable a career as what is commonly believed. Some graduates get lucky and find stable positions. Others will go through layoff cycle after layoff cycle without end. Companies cut back R&D at the first sign of a bubble burst.

If you all go to 'The Obama Files' and check
the Fort Hood articles, well well well.
Theres a soldier consoling the bereaved with a caption:
DONT CRY MA'AM, HE DIED FOR DIVERSITY.

Great pic at Taki [sites online again]
'SHARIA FOR UK'.

Unfortunately, the for profit educational dynamic has infiltrated middle and even grade school curriculums. For example, a middle school administrator organizes a field trip to a far away locale such as Washington D.C. or Costa Rica. It is sold as an educational experience; a moment never to be forgotten . And it costs.a lot. In fact, it costs more than the actual expenses of the trip, because, you know, school districts are hurting blah, blah, blah.

But the real cost of these for profit excursions posing as educational adventures is the stratification of a very young and impressionable student body. In other words, a divide of public school “ haves and have-nots”. Imagine the embers of emotional incineration left to burn in the psyche of tender public school age kids not wealthy enough to afford the expensive out-of-town trip embarked upon by their better off classmates.

The American educational system as a whole is a for-profit tragedy with too many causes for fingers to point at.

The Millennials can stop paying their loans, and the rest of us could stop our mortgages and federal taxes. There is absolutely no reason not to stop paying and there is no morality in paying. This would shake up everything....

...you can show people how to legally chop their taxes 50-80% and they won't do it.

"I'm scared I'll get caught. I just want my big refund every year".

Good luck going up against that brick wall. Although the power is in the money. On the surface at least. If everyone stopped paying they'd simply print it anyway.

which is why most taxes are **solely** a form of control.

If the national debt is $15 trillion, and they gave the banks $10 trillion, where they fuck did the $10 trillion come from?

answer - just invented on someone-in-power's keyboard.

...and if they can give them $10 trillion just like that, why the fuck do they need to collect $1.6 trillion annually in income taxes? so only a piddling 16% of what they just ***handed*** to the banks?

stop thinking they care for you, you are Soylent Green.


peace peaceniks

ps planted two trees today, they are comfortably fighting climate change and providing shade while we sit and sip cold beer beside them.

A funny story about American educational system. In the fifth grade most students in my state go on a bus trip to Washington D.C. After looking over the intinerary, one woman confronted a fifth grade teacher who was helping to organize the trip. She said, "You all plan on visiting the National Mall? I'm not paying for any trip just so that you all can do some shopping!"

The American Millenials, Xers, Boomers, et al. are all too disoriented, effete, lacking in character, lacking in knowledge of history, lacking in understanding, and in general have too small of a responsibility level to take any effective action as regards where this country is going. There will be no revolution at the dem or repub conventions.

The masses will continue to allow themselves to be processed through the cattle chutes into the slaughter houses.

The totalitarian forces are in control and growing.

A crisis is needed and will occur in time.

When that crisis occurs and the establishment implodes, it will finally dawn on the lumpen masses that the system was a bad one and didn't work. It was terribly perverted from its original form.

A small group of intelligent and responsible individuals (as is always the case) will pick up the pieces and build a new system that brings us to a higher evolution.

Ron Paul is using this presidential campaign to educate our youth not to win the presidency. He has vision.

We just need to ensure that an Adolf doesn't move in when the system collapses.

The kids are dimmer than any generation before them, but look who raised them. Youngsters are running up massive bills not just on tuition from for-profit diploma mills that make human resources people laugh when they see them on resumes, but they are borrowing money to live on.

You may have noticed that almost all the private universities are building hyper-luxurious residence halls for their undergrads. Gone are the days when students bunked two or even four to a small room furnished with beds, small desks, and the student's hot plates, microwaves, computers, and plastic cubes holding belongings. That's not good enough for today's pampered pups. They must have a private room in a luxury high rise residence hall with a completely equipped kitchen and laundry facilities on each floor, spa facilities, and every entertainment technology available. This wouldn't be possible if students were paying as they went. They are rolling up daily living expenses, including expenditures for a new i-phone or i-pad every 9 months and of course an auto, into their college loans.

Nobody ever taught these kids about compounding interest or what kind of job you can get with what kind of degree and that you will never get back the $90K you borrowed for that degree in Romance Literature or Women's Studies or Comparative Religion.

I will conclude by issuing a strong warning to anyone considering defaulting on student debt:

"We just need to ensure that an Adolf doesn't move in when the system collapses" IM

And just how do you plan on keeping Mr. Krantz in his mother's basement?

That reminds me, Does anybody know where I can get some soccer shirts??

--WSP7

But, but, if I borrow $100k today, in twenty years $100k will be what $5k is now, if inflation creeps back up. That may make college tuition a relative bargain :O)

Accidentally hit enter, sorry.

Anyway.

DO NOT, NOT, NOT DEFAULT ON YOUR COLLEGE DEBT UNTIL WE CAN CHANGE THE LAWS!!!

Why? Because you do not have the same rights that any other type of debtor has and creditors are allowed to do things to you that they haven't been able to do to any other type of borrower since 1964. They can call your employer and your relatives. They can garnish your paycheck for almost any amount of money and they will too. They can charge a "collection fee" of 25% of the loan balance every single time you are even late with a payment- that's how a balance that starts at, say, $9000, can balloon to $75,000 in two years. Your fees are compounding at 25% if you miss repeated payments!!!! Your creditors can and will put as many negative entries on your credit report as they please. Your interest will be raised every month- there is nothing keeping the issuers from doing this. You will be rendered unemployable in the field you trained for.

Please do whatever you have to do to maintain the payments while you fight for changes.

Go to www.studentloanjustice.org to read about efforts to obtain justice for student borrowers, and please read the hundreds of harrowing stories from people who are trapped in endless nightmares of collections, garnishments, and harassment, all legal, from college lenders. Really, really read these stories before you borrow money, if you haven't signed those loan docs yet.

Good luck and keep fighting for changes in the laws.

Look no further. You is arrived.

If you borrow $100K now, it will have ballooned to about $825,877 within 10 years after figuring in interest rate hikes, "collection" fees of 25% of the balance because you were 2 days late with a payment, or got sick, or got laid off, or something.

Go to the site I referenced in my previous post. If those stories don't scare the shit out of you, then education is wasted on you.

And what's to become of college sports atheletic teams when degrees in Women's Studies and Comparitive Religion are no longer offered? You weren't under the misguided impression that all those hunks working it on the court and football field were majoring in Physics or Nuclear Engineering, were you? C'mon, get real. This is America! We want our beer and Cheezdoodles! You okay wid dat?

How many younger generation readers will bother to read Anthony Cordesman's papers analysing ramification of Iranian - Israeli mix-up? Bad as pre-emption of Iranian nuclear sites seems, results of Israel waiting for Iran's promised attack is orders of magnitude worse, for Israel and the world.

Americans interested in maintaining a recognizable economy after Middle East Thunderdome should quietly work with regional leadership to enhance rail lines capacity & local reach. Included with the local rail re-connect, assure full complement of US Post Offices!

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Wouldn't it be wonderful if "we the people" actually understood our power, reached a consensus, organized and took action despite all discomfort and inconvenience? Pure civil disobedience?

Wouldn't it be wonderful if everyone just stopped paying their taxes until certain demands were answered by our government (namely removing all corrupt Congresspeople; stopping insider trading within Congress; cancelling their special pension and health plan and forcing them to use our; implementing term limits; abolishing lobbyists; implementing a program to dismantlet The Federal Reserve; instituting a commodity or gold based currency system; some Constitutional amendments; returning power and sovereignty to the states; dismantling the military-industrial-congressional-think tank complex; reduce the size of the Fed Govmt by about 75%; etc. etc.)

Wouldn't it be great if the people stopped using credit cards and taking out loans and reverted to cash transactions to break the grip of the financial elite? This wouldn't take long before the whole debt as money system collapsed.

Ahh... a nice dream.

Everyone should learn to make their own juju juice. It's Medicine!

I wonder what would happen if somebody actually tried to buy one?

People should have known that ol' Nickie wasn't a raciss. I mean real Monkeys can't run, can they?

Soon it will be respectable to be out of the closet. Get in on the ground floor Q. The Elevator to the Penthouse wont wait. Elvevators and Tides wait for no man - not even a King.

Ahhhh yeaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh.

Maybe setting the meme loose here and now and watching it go viral might not be such a good idea.

"The Millennials, at least the college-bound affluent ones, are the most coddled generation in recent history, one where every kid gets an award for 'trying.'"

You can keep the "trying" award.

I'll take the future where you can stumble through high school and whatever series of menial jobs you procure is still enough to raise a family of four in a house of your own.

You signed on the dotted line. You agreed to the terms. You need to honour your word and pay the loan off in full. No excuses. No exit.

If it didn't work out for you. Too bad. You just paid for an expensive lesson.

There are no victims.

The website is a bit confusing, hit the victims tag and then pick a state.

We must dismantle the whole system starting with Grade School. Return to home or very small schools by people we know. Return to the McGuffey Readers - the last two volumes of which are beyond most "college graduates". They used to be mastered in the 7th and 8th grades.

Things like the internet's free Khan's Academy are also excellent once the basics are mastered.
Other than that, no internet or TV should be allowed. We mustn't let children become like we are - human wreckage. Humility is the cornerstone of all Virtue. And what is intelligence without virtue? It inevitably sells out to something. The intellect per se is a whore after all. Some sell out for money and others, ideology. Most need a religion. Only the few can find enough meaning in Philosophy itself to remain pure of heart.

You are, like, freaking me out. Is there some failure to understand the concept of not having any collectible assets?

Liberals from what I deduce from the last few inititives taken by your side, you're screwed.

OWS, Sandra Fluke, Trayvon Martin all have ended in disaster and scorn for your side. Soon you guys will be eating the seed corn, meaning that your monetary rackets are gonna go tits up, like the education over paid professors' racket.

As you fine folks go tits up do us alt-righters a fav and take movement conservatism with you.

I'll agree with you but demanding fees be kept within reason is also reasonable. Some disreputable financial institutions are taking advantage of the collection powers of the federal government. Quite obviously some of these 'terms' were not agreed to or disclosed and misinformation in order to increase fees has certainly been going on.

Caveat Emptor

Hmm. Alt-Right takes me to Desktop #2. Is this a coded transmission?

Yahoo has downsized news....12,000$ house [they did the labor] 4 people live there:
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After losing their business to the recession, Carl and Hari decided to make a drastic move... out of their 3-bedroom home, and into what they call their "Tiny House" -- a 168-sq. ft. home.

Moving their family from a 1,500-sq. ft. home to such a small space was a major downsize, but one reaping big savings.
Their space is small and insulated, resulting in an electric bill of around $40 a month.
They have also been able to bank Hari’s entire salary each month. Their “Tiny House” is part of their bigger plan to build a mortgage-free home.
That home will still be small, but Hari says it will be large enough to at least find space to be alone (and perhaps add a bathtub).

In other words, you would like to ban guns, all guns, for everyone. Only a militia has the right to have guns. And the only real militia is the National Guard.

Only in your fevered imagination, Impaler. In fact, I've written about when I considered buying a gun myself on my blog. Here's what I posted on May 16, 2011.

"The last year I lived out in the country, the deer ate my shrubs up to the seven foot level. Good thing they were eight feet tall at the time. I vowed that if I were still in my house the next firearms deer season, I'd finally break down and buy a rifle and a deer hunting license. Fortunately for the deer, my house sold that April, so I didn't have to follow through.

Hey, I was a Republican for 22 years. Some habits die hard."

As for what I was saying, instead of what the voices in your head told you, it was that the security people were banning things that the anarchists of the Occupy movement would use, which are merely annoyances, but let the really dangerous stuff that conservatives carry be permitted. I thought it was ironic and perverse, although if that's the way they want to do business, they can go right ahead.

You're a Statist - exactly what the Founders warned us against.
Sorry, Impaler, I went to the University of Michigan, not Michigan State. :-P
Cornpone Fascists in Michigan? Too bad the Courts ruled against Obama and Holder and let the Hutaree free. Bad thoughts are still legal Vinnie. For now. Sorry.
Interesting how you bring up the Hutaree right after you mention cornpone fascists. As for their being let free, nah, not a problem for me.

Say, Impaler, why don't you click on through to my blog (link in the very first comment I posted today) and comment there? After all, if I'm going to fight you, I may as well get some page views out of it.

Widespread collects the $200 bucks.
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^This^ is akin to a double negative. You should write either:

. Widespread collects the $200.

or

. Widespread collects the 200 bucks.

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Well, I certainly feel totally screwed. We were some of the stupid ones who paid for our kids' college books, tuition, room/board, etc. They have no loan debt. This is after home-schooling them from 8th grade on, and still paying outrageous property and school income taxes. Two of our kids graduated Magna Cum Laude, although I never could tell they had actually learned anything other than how to tow the college line and spew out literate bullshit on command. I will delight in seeing the colleges fall and hope it's really messy.

we don't need grammar ninnys here, plainspeak's plainspeak 'n understood.

useless...must be a 'teacher'

peace peaceniks

The image of all the pompous but worthless college professors with PhDs in worthlessness being paraded around wearing dunce caps is outrageously grand. So is the image of them trying to feed themselves by gardening. Perhaps they can be lined up all around the local neighborhood so when the gangs arrive to loot, rape and pillage, the former savants will be the front line. They can even use harsh language to fend off the gang members for a while, giving the rest time to arm themselves and get into defensive positions, while the gang members roll on the ground laughing. Yes, that might work !

Agree with you whole-heartedly. Of course, North Dakota is one of few remaining bastions of common sense left in the US. Our childrens' majors were all "useful", including the child who majored in Military History. He's, unfortunately, in the military and finding out that he's not a born politician, which you have to be to make it in anything connected with the government. We have one nurse, one veterinarian, two electrical engineers, one mechanical engineer and one geologist. Latter is rather iffy since most geologists are employed in energy-related fields which Obama is trying to crush. I was a history major, also, and sincerely understand the drive to learn more about it. However, it's not a saleable major.

Obama's already steamrollered them, so maybe they will vote for Romney since they think an unknown entity is better than the one who already screwed you. I'm going to skip voting this year, since I have no liking for any of them.

I guess I got overly excited with bucks and ducks rhyming and all.

we don't need grammar ninnys here
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You regularly fail to capitalize the first letter of your sentences.

What is the sense of aiming for a lower quality communication rather than a higher one?

If you haven't looked at the link provided to us by Ms. Laura, it's worth a looksie. I pulled it up expecting to see heart breaking stories from the Millineals, but instead read some "victim" accounts by folks who took out student loans in the...drum roll please...l980's! One "victim" is still being hounded. The gubment is threatening to hold back her Social Security (she's 65!) Evidently there is no statute of limitations on these loans. They keep adding on interest to principle so that a $3k loan becomes a $30k loan after a few years.

Still, they can't put all Millineals in jail, can they? I mean, if you can't pay, ya can't pay. Like trying to get blood from a turnip. And as we all know, these loans can't be discharged through bankruptcy, so what do they want? Your first born? As my Vietnamee sister-in-law would say, "peas, give me blake!"

I agree Jim. All I see lies, people with their head in the sand, denial, etc.

Here are some things I see, that make it very apparent, things are getting worse, so the propaganda machine, comes out in force, to cover up the truth.

First, the other day on NPR, Simon Johnson of Baseline Scenario, is claiming the the US has always been in debt, and the short of it, we should not worry. BS, and propaganda. What do you expect from an MIT person.

NPR, has had a bunch of shows, discussing high gas prices. Their guest are a bunch of industry kiss asses, who don't tell the truth, or they just hint at it. Also BS, and propaganda.

I know plenty of young kids, who are still planning on going to college, and some who are getting out soon, and going to the military, how stupid are these people.

In short, too many in the US, think the party is still going strong, because they are being lied to, though some have their heads in the sand. The party ended long before 2008, 2008 was the wake up call no one heard. The fools are too busy texting, or on Facebook.

This is going end very badly for many.

Jim hasn't been following the news closely . . . There will be NO protests at the upcoming political conventions. Bush 3 (Obama) and CONgress have made it a FELONY to protest anywhere near someone who is under Secret Service protection. Here's one link: http://www.soarclub.com/2012/03/felony-protest-in-front-of-government-official/

The Feds have been passing all kinds of bills like this recently; me thinks they're preparing for martial law once Uncle Ben finally destroys the currency.

Yes you are right the party began ending for the average American long before 2008. For the corporations that run the world and quObama their chief cheerleader the band plays on.

Furthermore the disparity between the rich and the poor in the United states in 1990 for example was increasing, and it is undoubtedly still doing so today. Between 1977 and 1989 the average after-tax incomes of American families on the bottom fifth of the income ladder fell some nine per cent, the next fifth fell 6.5 per cent, and the middle fifth about 4.5 per cent. Only the top fifth was spared. In fact the incomes of the highest reaches of the top fifth soared, with those of the top 1 per cent doubling. Between 1978 and 1995 the mean income of the richest five percent in the United States rose 24 times that of the poorest 20 per cent, a ratio unparalleled in the industrial world. The ratio between the salary of a CEO and that of a shop-floor worker went from 39:1 in the late 1970s to about 1000:1 today.
Too Smart For Our Own Good - page 391

As far as I can tell, For Profits thrive most where
they can get peeps of legal age to 'sign the loan papers'.
In the 1980s it cost 100$ and a few hours of training to get a Massage Therapists license.
Now its 1000s of dollars and months of training.
I know someone whos wife works at [natural 'college']. They get folks from the hood to sign the loan papers, and dont say the jobs arent there.

Certificate programs in Hypnotherapy etcetc.
Be a private trainer, etc.

Paying for a university education is equivalent to spending an exorbitant amount of money for an automobile that doesn't have an engine, transmission or a steering wheel.

First of all the educational system is government controlled. No more need be said. Secondly, the people that run and/or work within our government, financial sector, business sector, etc. are all the products of our educational system. Our country is failing = our educational system failed us.

Academia as it exists is a joke. Pompous, effete and out of touch people. Most curriculums are worthless and are far removed from reality or applicability.

The majority of students graduating from universities really don't know how to study, how to research, how to communicate or how to make their way in the real world.

Most any individual that was a great person, in that they contributed something to humanity, never went to a university or quickly dropped out and engaged themselves in the real world.

Yes we need dentists, doctors, engineers and such but they can be trained quickly in a trade school. It doesn't have to take spending a fortune or eating up so much time to get to a level of competence.

I so look forward to the collapse of the government run education system. Goodbye Yale, Harvard, Stanford and all of you other scams.

Home schooling, internet education, seminars, workshops, webinars, books and apprenticeships is the new future for education. Workable, practical and inexpensive and yielding results... people who understand the basics of life, track with reality and can make their way in the real world.

Yes sir "alt-right" basically stands for non-reactionary non-corporate right wing politics, and not necessarily "nazi" as the more reactionary and feckless people on the left imagine.

Alt-right race realist without 19th century white supremacy intentions. Open to reading and debating what JHK has to say and often agreeing with him.

Just read the essay for the week. I must disagree this time Jim. The vast majority lack the ability to blame their lack of success on anyone but themselves. They won't be able to rebel until well after they've already fucked themselves by attempting to play the game for too long, even though it's a rigged game and they don't have a chance. Perhaps 20% are capable of dropping out and trying something outrageous. The rest are nothing but sheep.

communication does not degrade simply because of non-capitalized or irregular spelling.

it adds flavour to otherwise dull affairs.

ask ee cummings

we don't need rehashing of tyred old rules, we need
fresh mindmeat with which to go forward.

has english grammer and spelling always been standardized? no.

so don't make it yet another untouchable national historical site dead in its past.

peace peaceniks

[sarcasm on]
Yeah, if we could just get rid of all those pointy-headed intellectuals, those Jews, those coloreds, those lesbo femi-nazis, those gangs, those unions, those communists, those pacifists, those anarchists, those atheists, etc., then this country would again be like it was in the 1950s segregated, Jim Crow-whites-in-control, women barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen.[sarcasm off]

I lived through, or I should say survived the 1950s, and I never want the country to be like that again. We're much better off with a Black president, who taught constitutional law, than with the era of the McCarthy hearings, witch hunts, and coat hanger abortions.

touche very well said, finally a thought worth seconding.

grand canyon of disconnect between academia/college and real-world needs.

per your point, one could be trained in 6 months-1 year to do many of the professions that requires years of drudgery and pointless expense.

peace peaceniks



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JHK, this week's post deserves extra E's!
It's entertaining!
But the idea of the Millennial Generation rising up en masse, and making the Repub and Dem conventions vanish in a haze of smoke from burning loan documents - that's pure fantasy.

First problem is - what's a Millennial?
Wikipedia gives us this:
"Generation Y, also known as the Millennial Generation (or Millennials or the ME generation),[1][2] Generation Next,[3] Net Generation,[4] Echo Boomers[5], or Hipster Generation is the demographic cohort following Generation X. There are no precise dates for when the Millennial generation starts and ends, and commentators have used birth dates ranging somewhere from the mid-1970s[6] to the late 1980s, early or mid 1990s, or as late as the early 2000s.[7] The most common range reflects births from 1980-1999 giving a child born in 1980 time to grow into adulthood and be able to reproduce their own offspring at the turn of the millennium. One segment of this age-group is often called the “eighties babies” generation, in reference to the fact that they were born between January 1, 1980 and December 31, 1989. [8][9][10] Members of this generation are called Echo Boomers, due to the significant increase in birth rates through the 1980s and into the 1990s, and because many of them are children of baby boomers...."
-wiki-

Whoa. Too much thought. That made my head hurt. Since I'm a middle Boomer, my hurting head makes me want to light a doobie and meditate.

Too much thought for a Millennial kid makes him want to text his/her friends on a cell phone or hurry to Facebook. Then our typical Millennial will search for and successfully find a cup to pee in - in an effort to prove himself drug free and thus eligible for employment and for continuing license to life.

My point for JHK and the CFN thread - Sorry, folks, a Revolution based on contact by Social Media, and from the most acquiescent generation in United States history - it's just fantasy.

Thanks to you for the week's work, though, JHK!

Nope, I can't agree with you on this. It is true that many curricula are just padding. We don't need to study for 4 years to get a bachelor's degree in many cases.

However, some very valuable professions need at least the 4 years and maybe more. I wouldn't let a dentist with 6 months to a year's dental education touch my teeth. Would you want a doctor with a year's medical education perform brain surgery on you, or heart surgery?

Any field of study in math, science and engineering requires more than a year's education.

So while you make a point, I wouldn't make it a blanket point. Why don't you list those fields of study that CAN be learned in one year or less?

Vlad, Rush would have no chance against Battra, Mothra and her tiny priestesses, who speak for, and protect, the Earth.

Even Godzilla failed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bhoWfC1L9k

In New England all these private, phony colleges are springing up everywhere...

Isn't that amazing? Talk about an American-style racket-and-swindle!

that's why i said 'many'.

many types of nurse, dental assistant, mechanic, plumber, programmer...these can all be learned in a year or less. obviously people's skills ripen on the job too, not saying that you're superduper right out of the box.

obviously not civil engineer or surgeon, that is self evident.

even four year curricula only actually study for 2.5-3 years if you deduct the vacation time between years.

peace peaceniks

JHK says:

The college loan money will not be paid back anyway, so Millennial youth ought to seize the golden opportunity to make the deliberate point that the years of swindling are officially over now. This strange jubilee could, and should, change everything.

A very provocative suggestion. My understanding is that the leadership of the Occupy movement is beginning to think along similar lines...

In the Long Emergency, the most important skills will be the ones best suited to scarcity industrialism.

According to the Chinese translation of David Shambaugh's book "China's Communist Party: Atrophy and Adaptation", over the past 20 years, China has embarked upon an extensive analysis of how and why the former Soviet Union and the Communist countries of Eastern Europe collapsed.

The conclusions of many of the Chinese academics as to the causes of the collapse of the Soviet Union and other Communist countries quite accurately describe current conditions in the U.S.

Dream on Jim. It's a bit dichotomous isn't it to in one post point out the millennials as being tattooed, ear ringed and seemingly disconnected from the obvious, and then expect them to somehow coalesce into a cohesive group focused on their lack of a future against the most incredible odds in history? I don't think so, but it was a nice thought.

History can make a good case that peonage has been the American way since her inception - and that it's going to continue to it's logical end A slow decline that is almost imperceptible to the majority (as it is now), then fade to black. When it gets bad enough, insurrection may be much more personal rather than organized and directed upward. Of course that end might take a while.

There is no mystery to where America, or any other country that has sold its soul likewise, is headed. It's all happened before in different dress, and it doesn't take much more than an honest look around and common sense to figure the outcome.

Remember that 2008 is already forgotten - and nothing changed.

The cover story of recent issue of Time Magazine is entitled "The Truth About Oil".

The article's only source of information is the spokesman for the oil industry lobby.

You can't make this shit up.....

Americans aren't makers, they're takers.

Shhh! Don't give the Lords of Idiocracy any survival tips! We need them to keep getting the very worst advice that can be had, and it appears they're loading right up on it. If they're doing their best to destroy themselves, please don't interfere. ;o)

I'm not a Millenial and I defaulted on my student loans a long time ago. I did it because it was too much of a burden to pay for something that really didn't cover most of my college costs anyway. I never had enough for pesky and expensive things called books.

"I'm not a Millenial and I defaulted on my student loans a long time ago."


I think that George W. Bush, Jr. made student loans non-dischargeable debt, which can't be cleared by declaring bankruptcy?

I know! I know!

Philosophy and comparative religion.

Only about 11,000 years of history and hundreds of classics to consider with thousands of nuanced arguments. Should take about six months. NOT.

Unfortunately, on CFN most people do not consider philosophy and comparative religion to have "value," because the kind of activity it engenders is not paid with pieces of green paper.

Sad how fall we have fallen in our idolization of money and our conclusion that fields only have "value" if they result in good-paying jobs.

Tark:
Those reasons that you give for defaulting on your loan are called JUSTIFICATIONS. They aren't valid reasons... they are just reasons that you've come up with to make yourself right for not being worthy of trust.

What sort of a life would you have had up to this time if everyone that you dealt with and depended upon didn't keep their word?

Pay your loans! You agreed to do so and you signed your name. If it is impossible to pay your loans, then you need to find a way of making amends. How can you ever hope to be financially successful if you have broken agreements like this in your past and hanging around in the dark recesses of your consciousness waiting to foul you up.

If the lender isn't around any more, then earn the money you owed plus interest and give it to a deserving charity or something.

Develop some character. Develop some pride man.

asoka:
It just so happens that we live in a society in which 9/10's of life are ECONOMIC. It takes a lot of money to have a decent standard of living and raise a family. THAT is why education is aimed at giving one a marketable skill or profession.

If you have a patron, parents who will support you all of your life, a trust fund, you're a welfare recipient, or you live in a tree and survive on moss and mushrooms, well then I guess you'd be able to spend 8-10 years studying Comparative Religion or Philosophy and get your Phd.

I pose a question... look where our world is today. Religion and philosophy hasn't done a very good job, despite the fact they've had thousands of years to do so. Something is missing there.

I'd rather know someone who can start a business and create jobs so that people can feed their families, or a chiropractor who can realign your bones, or someone who can fix my car. Anything but a Religionist or Philosopher.

I know someone who worked at a maternity ward. One of the patients overheard one of the doctors discussing some of the clinical details of the birthing process. Later when the nurse asked her what she was going to name her baby the new mother replied, "Placenta Maria." Duhhhhhhhhhhh.....

This idea of student-loan debt refusal isn't bad, but will be part of a much larger movement: debt-refusal, period. People (of all ages) waking up to the simple injustice of being saddled with high interest personal debt when B of A, Chase, and their ilk not only go scot-free, but get rich and richer at the expense of struggling ordinary folks. "Where's MY bailout", rises the cry. Nowhere in sight. Bank robbery is the robbery the banks do (through the interest-money system and "too big to fail") to us.

November 5, 2012: Debt Refusal Day.

Of course debt-refusal is an ongoing act, and an *inevitable* one as millions of people find they simply do not have the income to fend off the sharks of the debt and collection industry. But symbolic one-day events can bring people to the realization that there is enormous power in the action of many together.
The interest-money system is nearing its end, the only question is the specifics. Best and most hopeful treatment of this entire arena is Charles Eisenstein's "Sacred Economics": http://www.realitysandwich.com/homepage_sacred_economics

ah what would monday be without the fire and brimstone of jhk's effusive bombast!

Don't you dare skip voting. You know OBama is a dangerous spend-thrift. A glass of fucking orange juice would make a better President. You get off your ass and go vote for the orange juice. And take about 20 voters with you.

Antioch Ohio went bankrupt and is giving away 200? full scholarships!
Antioch LA [100K?] offers majors in Lib Studies and GLBT 'studies'.

transgendered studies..hawhawhaw

I have to laugh at those who just say "Just stop paying your taxes", like you can go down to accounting and tell them to stop withholding taxes. Sorry, but they can't, they are legally obligated to with hold something, if you are receiving a paycheck, and send it on to the IRS.

Now, if you are part of the 'cash 7 carry' economy, perhaps you are not paying taxes, but for those of you that work for a business or corporation, or some other entity, and get paid with a check (or autodeposit), you WILL have taxes withheld, and there really isn't much you can do about it.

No, not even claiming all your cats or dogs as dependents. You now have to show a social security number for each one. Kinda hard to get one for a pet, and also illegal. But good luck trying it....

So, for those who say "Just quite paying taxes", why don't YOU kindly post just how YOU go about not paying taxes IF you aren't part of the 'cash & carry' economy and instead get a paycheck each week....
Go ahead, tell us how...


Dee

So banks and lenders are supposed to loan money without interest? In other words for free? That makes a lot of sense. You're obviously not a Capitalist. What are you a Commie? Socialist? Fascist?

Collection people are sharks for trying to collect the money that people promised to pay but didn't?

I love this idea of borrowers saying they are being "harrassed" when a lender tries to collect on an upaid debt (broken promise). It is the other way around to me... the LENDER is the one who is being harrassed.

In real capitalism, if it weren't for the savers who lend at interest we wouldn't have had a country. No industrial revolution. No progress.

Thinking like this can only come out of the academia-welfare-liberal mindset. Deadly stuff.

The trifecta of Immigration, Illegals and Multiculturalism is more than enough.

Add Financial 'problems' and...dont ask if but when.

The only way it could happen would be if EVERYONE agreed to not pay taxes. That would mean employers would tell their accting departments to stop the payroll deductions on salaries and stop reporting and stop being an agent for the IRS.

That is the only way it could happen. Not much chance of that ever happening.

Not only in NE. Devry, Art Institute,U of Phoenix Etcetc.

Damn right they went broke. Enough people finally realized that sending their kids off for four years to play hippy wasn't a good return on their investment.

Getting even 5% of the school's power needs is a tremendous advantage over no electricity. 5% means you might be able to refrigerate food and run some computers. Teaching students how to envision a goal, work towards that goal, understand the limitations of their plan are healthy traits.

Solar panels are a potential source of power. Germany with its feed-in-tariff program is on target not just to meet its goal of 20% renewable by 2020 but to reach 30% by that year. That's not techno-delusionalism.

Its too 'white' for Andrea Mitchell, MSNBC, Huff Post.

News break. 47% pay no income tax. Thats why things are all ready as fucked up as they are. 53% carry the deadbeats. And now you want everyone to stop paying? Yeah, that'll work.

Colleges = the left.
See my piece above on 'gang of 88' [at Duke].
The rest of its online or I can email to you.

I know that. The tax system is unworkable and needs to be cancelled. I only posit the idea of withholding the government's revenue as a way to get the people's demands met. Otherwise the government will continue forward with their destructive agenda unhampered until they make a complete and irreversible mess of things.

Witholding income, penalties or fines of a monetary nature are usually the only way to get compliance.

I didn't say "let's not pay taxes". I just said wouldn't it be wonderful if it could be done as a method to turn things around and rid ourselves of a corrupt federal government that has gone way beyond its limits and in turn be able to turn things around to a more reasonable system.

Previously LEO and Hotel workers didnt get post High School education, now employers ask for it.
That being said education is so dumbed down, see
Vlads comment today on McGuffy Readers and how us with a BA couldnt do em.

What about sales tax, gas tax, restaurant tax etcetc.
How much $ do you want those making less than 40K a year to pay?

None of this matters. This system is doomed. Couldn't be saved even if everyone wanted it to be. It's become dysfunctional and beyond repair. I am optimistic that after it collapses we will evolve into a higher social order.

A great philosopher once stated something to the effect that "The resolution of the Humanities, the Sciences and our social ills all depends upon the resolution of the human mind".

This is the basic basic common denominator of all of our problems. If man could truly know and understand himself and his fellow man, if he truly understood his orientation in this world, if he understood how a mind can go wrong and how evil can emanate from it, and if the sources of this evil and dysfunction could be located and remedied... we'd all be in a better place.

This is where we have failed. Since the beginning of written history we have continued to make the same mistakes over and over. Evil and self interest always tends to corrupt and destroy the beneficial creations that others give us.

When we accomplish this understanding we will be in a new age of humanity, a new civilization.

The race is between this positive accomplishment and our total destruction.

It is the human mind and the human spirit. All the answers lie within us. We need them. That is the true work that needs to be done.

There are pieces of truth in all religions and philosophies but we need to rid ourselves of all the false data and ignorance that hides the truth from us and get access to the real truths of life and the mind so that we can move forward.

THIS is our real challenge. Not trying to save the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Couple points of correction. Black folk don't name their children differently from Anglos because of "seething" animosity from slavery. They do it because it sounds better to them, than Harry, Dick, and Tom. It's just that simple. Second, if their motivation for naming their children those names was as you said, they wouldn't need to look to slavery for seething animosity, or the pre-civil rights era either. I think they realized long ago naming your kids Shea, speaking like the majority, and all other acts of conformity won't cause their acceptance by the majority. Actually, at this point in history being accepted by White America is not a goal or on their agenda. I use "their" because although I am African-American I couldn't never speak for all, but please believe, regardless of that disclaimer, Black folks, Negroes, Colored people, African in America, or whatever they want to be called are not setting their agenda based on Asians wanting to be white, or anybody else. Lastly, as bad as things may seem it's not that bad for us. Yes, the media shows the worst, and there is much room for improvement, but our resilience is daunting.

I don't hold the things that are considered success and trustworthiness in high regard. So, in a sense, I don't give a damn about pride or this country as it is. Most of it leaves me cold. I'll find success some other way.

I'm a near true dropout; I just need to change locales.

"News break. 47% pay no income tax. "

Care to break out how many of these are super upper income, ultra wealthy? And pay no taxes?

I know plenty of the bottom of the income barrel that pay no taxes because they have NO INCOME.
But if they do find a job, they do have taxes WITH HELD, and even tho they may get some or all of it back NEXT year as a refund, boy oh boy, they really could use it NOW.

I even worked once for a multi-millionaire who bragged that he paid no taxes, and thought that anyone with a million-plus income that did was an idiot or fool, and should fire his accountant and get a new one that could figure out how not to pay any taxes.

They want it all for themselves...

Dee


Hopefully one particular career field will continue to demand (or at least in some municipalities) four years of college with plenty of philosophy/ethics, history, multicultural studies, etc: Law Enforcement

The days of ignorant, biased lawmen should be a thing of the past.

American's are cowards young and old. The government will offer the young an offer they can not refuse. Join the military for 12 years and all student loan debt will be forgiven.

Sorry to hear that you have disconnected from life. You've obviously had a lot of losses and disappointments in your life. As so many of us have had. Hope things turn around for you.

As I recall, Socrates was at a bit of a loss to define virtue, or at least virtue as a whole and not some of its attributes.

What is virtue?

edpell, serving in the military is not the only way to get the government to write off your student loans.

I have no debt. My kids have no debt.

What are the other ways to get the government to zero out ones student loan debt?

Yeah. You can commit a heinous felony crime and go to prison for 20 years and get out of your student loans and all other obligations while you're at it.

Plus 3 hots and a cot. The good life.

I was fortunate. I came from a wealthy family. My father paid cash for my college education. But after the first year, after I saw what a waste of time it all was, I couldn't bear to see my father throw away his hard earned money on tuition so I dropped out of college never to return. I prefer the education that I got from living life.

ozone, all I'm saying is that if Rush doesn't change his tune pretty quick, he'll soon be hearing this outside his studio window:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXLP9GSC8ok&feature=related

:-)

through non-military public service. 1/2 to 2/3rds of student loans can be forgiven this way. For doctors, dentists and nurses, if they work for the PHS, they can get all their loans forgiven.

Upon being drafted your first step is basic training with the goal of learning how to efficiently kill other human beings.

No, no, no, asoka. Not in basic training. You learn that in Advanced Infantry Training.

Go easy on him. He saved Buddha by throwing his body on a thermite grenade at Anzio. Poor fucker hasn't been the same since.

None of this matters. This system is doomed. Couldn't be saved even if everyone wanted it to be. It's become dysfunctional and beyond repair. I am optimistic that after it collapses we will evolve into a higher social order.

Dennis Meadows, the leader of the Limits-to-Growth research team, has finally, after 40 years, come to the same conclusion as you. He stunned the guests at the recent 40-year commemoration of the publication of the Limits-to-Growth when he said that sustainability is no longer possible, and that the sustainability crowd needs to quickly shift to focusing on something he calls "resilience" (basically teaching people how to emotionally cope and remain stoic in the face of catastrophe) to prevent a complete breakdown of the social, economic and political order.

I agree. A hard rains a gonna fall. Will need to be in good shape physically, emotionally, mentally and spirtually to get through it. In bad times people turn to self improvement and spiritual matters... they get back to basics. This hopefully will get man more in touch with himself. Our society is only as strong as its individuals. Higher mental health and spiritual understanding will make for a better civilization. The next chapter in the book of man is coming.

Go easy on him. He saved Buddha by throwing his body on a thermite grenade at Anzio.

Now that's exactly the kind of common sense thinking America needs more of! A nation is a team. It lives, sleeps, eats, and breathes as a team. This self-sufficiency stuff is pure horse shit. The bilious bastards who write that kind of stuff for the Mother Earth News don't know any more about real life than they know about writing!

Self-sacrifice, xhalor. Self-sacrifice.

:-)

"I'm afraid that JHK is himself a victim of the 'psychology of previous investment'."

Clearer words were never spoken. I'm betting most of us in the *civilized [1st] world* are said-same victims. I fear they [0.1%] have nothing but a *carrot-on-a-stick* at one end, and a hot corkscrew poker at the other...

Advantage is only gained if *TAKEN*... It's *never* too late?!... Don't f*'n call me an *OPTIMIST* - rather, *REALIST* will suffice! X-Files, indeed...

"EROEI"

I find this acronym completely idiotic. Energy Return on Energy Investment/Input is absolutely, completely, no different than ROI (Return On Investment/Input). You seriously *LIE* to yourselves, if you believe *OTHERWISE*...

Or, you never planned on taking *EXTERNAL COSTS* into consideration, whatsoever...

However, the externals burn in the wind, runoff silt and sewage, and barely *REGISTER*. Yeah, that.

I want to share this comment from a facebook friend I shared my reply to KYOOSHTIK with.

"Contrary to popular belief black people do not have a seething animosity from slavery, if we did there would be no America because we would have "burned this mutha" down.....long ago. Most black people under 50 don't even have a firm grasp of what slavery was."

I would say most black people under 50 don't have any type of grasp of what slavery was. Don't fret they are not in any type of revenge, seething, angry mode most of the time. When they are its about something happening now, not 140 years ago or even 50 years ago. If anything I think Black people don't hardly notice you. You are more or less background or a backdrop to their lives, as we are to many people. Nothing wrong with that, it is what it is.

Shak,

The long-winded comment I posted and that you replied to was an attempt to flesh-out a point about black names and their detrimental effect on "immiscibility" (the ability of blacks and whites to mix) made by a guy named Fred Reed. Below is a link to Fred's blog which you may have missed when Vlad Krantz first provided a link to it on Apr 7th. If you find a need to make a "couple points of correction" to my post you should have a field day with Fred's blog essay. I sincerely hope you will read it and give us your thoughts on it.

http://www.fredoneverything.net/Screwed.shtml

Virtue is the personal qualities that make for the good - or the path there to.

In Art, the good is Beauty. Bad art produces ugliness.

For a shoemaker, the good is to make good shoes, not ones that hurt the foot or fall apart in a couple of weeks.

In daily life, the good is what leads to happiness and harmony.

In personal life, virtue is what leads to good relationships, namely honesty, affection, and compassion. This is also true in one's relationship with oneself. Obviously much self knowldege is needed in all this to make it possible - and real as opposed to sacharine.

And virtue comes into the intellectual life. It means the search for truth - not convenient or proftitable falsehoods.

Socrates is very clear about all of this - or perhaps Plato's Socrates at least.

Your right. There are dozens of flat taxes on us. Telecom, alcohol, cigs, airline, property, etc.

The "the bottom half pay no taxes " clan don't take into account payroll taxes to fund SS which is not regressive. It's a small percentage for people making $250K+.

Many in the lower half of wage earners pay tax rates close to 15%, which is the percentage Mitt claims.

"It's nice to be proven right, but what good is being right if the timing's wrong?"

If "who's right" is your only purpose - none. When the time is right, you hope they have a memory, and know where to look.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjZgsRt8PBc&feature=related

Here is a perfect example of why their won't be a physical revolution in this country, let alone a student loan burning event at the conventions.

Amazing when you look at the stats in this article, yet the Obama administration, Congress, The Fed and their lackey mainstream press can make the public think that they are being effective and a recovery is in motion. That even ONE person in this country would vote for Obama again just blows my mind.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/51-months-after-start-recession-here-report-card

"Contrary to popular belief black people do not have a seething animosity from slavery"

Tell me that, after perusing the following!!!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3MUp3yFbhU

"Contrary to popular belief black people do not have a seething animosity from slavery"

Well it would be pretty stupid to be sitting there with animosity since everyone and anyone responsible for the slavery in America is long dead and gone. There isn't anyone to blame or target now. The past is the past, and it is GONE. As if this has anything to do with Caucasians living in America today.

Slavery was a detestable, horrible and egregious example of man's inhumanity to man. One of many instances throughout man's history.

Personally, if I were an African-American I'd be happy about the slavery episode. Of course not for the suffering and insanity that was brought to bear on my ancestors, but because as a result I was now here in America instead of being born in some grass hut in some diseased village in the Congo, without any hope for a decent life.

Any AA who wants reparations and wants to blame the citizenry of this country for slavery can get on a boat and go back to Africa.

"When that crisis occurs and the establishment implodes, it will finally dawn on the lumpen masses that the system was a bad one and didn't work."

HT calls them "drones";

www.hypertiger.blogspot.com

'The days of ignorant, biased lawmen should be a thing of the past'
Read Tom Sowell and his info on Police Tests [1940 and 1990].
Seems in Oakland and Detroit the cities are too poor to send Police out, except when its Murder or felony. As long as US $ is honored 'we' can have police/fire/trash pickup.

I posted today about Dukes 'gang of 88'.
If you think College teaches how to think clearly and be non biased guess again Bucky Boy!

See. Tom Sowell. Visions of the Annointed.Index/ police.
He also says many DC Cops are illiterate.

"That even ONE person in this country would vote for Obama again just blows my mind."

They used to say anyone that voted for Bush, twice, are the dumbest people on earth. After November they won't be able to say that anymore.

Taxing food eaten out, clothing [I payed 4$ tax today on some [chinese?] sneakers].
I dont own a car but a friend says his payments are
5K a year + all the licenses and tickets. He paid like 2K on old tickets and 1k to impound when the car was towed.

Amen, bruthah! 40% independents, 30% repTARDS, 30% demTARDS.

They *WILL NEVER LEARN*.

MY BAD!

I meant 90% independents, 5% repTARDS, 5% demTARDS.

C wut I did there?

"How convenient."

And those robo-calling *FUCK TARDS* still call my place, for the past 22 years, for a Sears debt of ~$900, in the name of the prior *RENTER* (not *OWNER*, who showed up on Google/White Pages as living in Beaverton [not Hillsboro] for the past 15+ years)...

How do I know - because they bombarded me with phone calls and snail-mail *SPAM*, and I accidently opened one by mistake (I did have a Sears charge card, in '91/2/3/4)... When I actually answered their phone calls, and told them *SHE MOVED OUT 20 YEARS AGO*, they simply swapped collection agencies...

Gettin' *STALE*.

If you read the individual stories, you will notice a recurring theme, which is that these loans have terms and conditions that make them virtually impossible to repay with whatever salary you're likely to earn in your field, even something "practical" like nursing or engineering or accounting.

Most of these loans would never have been written were it not for government guarantees and laws mandating virtual debtor's prison for borrowers, which freed the banks to toss normal underwriting standards and make loans that they know will become unrepayable because of interest rate changes (they are always adjusted up, never down), collection and late fees, and the compounding thereof. A period of unemployment and/or illness guarantees that the loan balance will swell into six figures.

I don't favor a general amnesty because we would be creating yet another moral hazard thereby. Those who can pay the loans clearly got at least part of their money's worth for their education and should repay, but there should be relief, on the same terms offered other debtors owing other types of debt, which is usually bankruptcy or receivership. We could stipulate that someone bankrupting out of college debt lose his degree, which would be no loss since it isn't doing him any good in any case.

When we make college debt equal to other debt, we should shut down government-backed college loan programs, or at least cap the total lifetime borrowing to a very low figure, say $10,000.

Bankruptcy is the Free Market corrective to careless, predatory lending. Once we permit it, it will become obvious that our student loan programs are colossal failures and have only caused massive tuition inflation and enabled for-profit diploma mills to defraud hundreds of thousands of people. When this happens, the money available for college loans will mostly disappear. Lenders don't take risks they think they might have to eat.

And when we shutter Sallie Mae, we need to fold up Fannie and Freddie, which entities mostly functioned to drive house inflation while lining the pockets of lenders and loan servicers.

People need to realize that the more extensively something is subsidized by the government, the more expensive it becomes, and the more incentive there is for wasteful uses of capital.

Didya see my post from earlier today? Filipino callers.
What ya do is ya TELL THEM to put it in writing and never call. Make a list of times they call. Ask for names. send em registered mail demanding to be left alone.
I had VM thru American voice mail. For 5? years Mr Schwartz from a NY DEpt store [ I forget which]
left messages for 'Suzy Duff', who owed them money.
Maybe more than 5 years. Didnt bother to leave a phone number or snail mail address.

Anything the government does is bad news. Once the people realize that this government is the cause of most all of their problems, and is their main enemy, the better chance we have of eventually creating a new system.

I still say, no one twisted student's arms to take these loans. Everyone is responsible for what they do. The only reform that makes sense to me is to cancel predatory or unnaturally high fees and penalties connected to the loans.

You are right about moral hazard. If someone takes out a loan on their own volition, they must pay it back. There is alos no excuse if they didn't read the fine print.

昨日午前、開発者の疑い王民杰公金流用や汚職事件で、裁判所公判。被告人検察疑惑を否定し。
起訴流用千万登録企業

昨日午前10時ごろ、被告人王民杰は刑務官の監視のもとにある、法廷に出る。彼はあちこちわき見をし、歩きながら傍聴の家族を合図に、「いいう」。

「座りますか?」剛が立って、王民杰が裁判官に要求,ルブタン サンダル。で規定に基づいて、被告人は立って聴取公訴人起訴状朗読、だから、王民杰の要求を拒否されて裁判官。


で午前の裁判の過程で、終始楽王民杰姿は、時折笑顔で,ルイヴィトン バック

「私を流用や汚職、これは事実と完全に一緻しない。」王民杰検察は認めないと容疑を「わたしはただの始まりで、協力会社営業許可証を受け取っただけだ。」

事件、移動などの場合には、王民杰は事情を知らないのは、「当時は私たちの会社の会計の一部の混乱、直ちにはっきりしない」。

の法廷では、検察の疑惑は、2005年5月、北京を担当王民杰利用斯博不動産開発会社(以下「斯博会社」)の社長の職務を記帳しない便利で、レジなどの手段として、同社の所有者の公共充電整備基金、不動産収得税などの資金を人民元1000万元その個人用に、登録制御の北京うるおい洪投資管理有限公司は、疑い公金流用;2006年7月はまた、斯博会社の資金を人民元640万元で、その人に転部制御の北京うるおい洪房産証券株式会社、汚職。

検察斯博発行会社出納の証言、証明転歩いて会社1000万元は会社の財務人員李通知に、そして「リーダー王民杰などの決定に会社を設立して」。

裁判所は後日宣告。

「私は先にあなたに聞く問題がありますか?」その後、王民杰は朝公訴人言って、再び制止されて。

被告人を認め「動金」否定犯罪

に至ってやりくりするかどうか

別の調査によると、北京うるおい洪房産仲買有限会社の法定代表人係王民杰の弟。

Not idiotic though is EROEI sure sounds like a disease.

It is actually only a first approximation at a model that attempts to measure energy quality.
In capitalism costs do not include social or ecological costs of production and consequently are not a true measure of total cost. A similar consideration applies to EROEI but the situation is not as meaningless as a money abstraction because the ratio unlike money is actually based on physical measurable quantities.
Like money simply focusing on EROEI however misses the boat. Private enterprise always shifts costs to the shoulders of others where it can and is unconcerned with spoliation unless consequences directly impact the enterprise.
Between two sources of energy having similar but unequal EROEI values the one with the higher ratio might actually produce more pollution than the source with the lower EROEI. It might thus actually be an inferior choice. However the rules of capitalism force that it be the chosen source of energy because it is the one that would provide the most profit.
You of course already know this as you mention runoff, silt, and sewage. Externals that are ignored and burn in the wind. Externals that don't make the five o'clock news.

Should be:

Not idiotic though EROEI sure sounds like a disease.

Class Warfare ?

From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=178631

[quote]
"What are the main weapons being used, and which of them are most dangerous and effective?"
[/quote]

Ideology, theories, brainwashing, the "Economists" with all of their imaginary "Objective Reality Description of how the "Economy" works and should work", etc.

The war is 100 % won by the dominating Economic Forces, the Capitalists, the Rich, the Haves have won this war over and over again for decades now, starting from the end of the 1960s on, it has been a complete and total brainwashing of everyone of how great and good and bold and successful all of the Entrepreneurs, Capitalists, Risk loving Bosses, company owners, the "employers" (not the employees who are always turds and lazy slobs that want too much , etc.) are.

And everyone is brainwashed by all of this BS, especially in the good old USA, the Hard Working Myth, the You Have to Deserve it Myth, the worshiping of Inequality in all of its forms, the Love of seeing how rich the rich get as compared to the poor, the desire to punish and crush the losers, the poor, the "Lazy Slobs and Bastards", this subtle and deep and constant drone of ideology by all of Society (and worldwide, in all countries), that has been going on for decades. This love of inequality, it is a way to let it all hang out, let out all the desire to beat up the other, to hate on people just because, for fun, but always justified: "I Am Better Than You", "I Worked Hard for My Money", "I Am Good", and "God Protects Me" against the poor lazy slobs that must be hated upon and beat up and such.

There is only one truth: the Technological Economy doesn't even need any work at all, it barely needs any labor to function, it is mostly an automatic system based on huge economy of scales, technology, huge consumption and production of Energy, the Automatic for the People and such. So the entire edifice of the Right Wing ideology is no longer even applicable, this economy needs more work like a hole in the head, actually this economy has nothing to do with work at all, it is all about automatic, power relationships, political and status powers, inequality from the outset, not based on any imaginary meritocracy, etc. It is rich enough to give all the basics all people need everywhere and to everyone many times over, it is actually [b]Too Rich[/b], hence the Bubbles, and trillions of dollars in banks worldwide playing games over people's lives, and firing people (it is so easy to fire workers when work is no longer even relevant in any possible way anymore in an Automatic, Technological Economy, let alone all of the BS about "Creating Jobs", what an idiotic idea ! the whole purpose of jobs is to create wealth for a few and to express inequality, the whole purpose of jobs is to actually eliminate the need of jobs through the application of "Services" and the "Information Economy" and other such BS, etc., the whole purpose of jobs is to eliminate the future needs of any jobs on behalf of the Rich and Powers that be, by automating and solving all work needs and labor needs once and for all, giving the Powers that be ever more power to use people in any way, since work is just an excuse to show off power, is just a game, an optional game as in all of the layoffs every now and then, to show how little companies really need the labor of millions, etc.).

The solution would be to cut the head off of the body of inequality structurally, from the outset, and once and for all: a Free Salary for all, about 800 dollars a month, very cheap rents for all, about 200 dollars a month for a 3 bedroom house, and huge new bold projects like spaceships to mars, thousands (I shall refrain from saying Trillions to not "Let It All Hang Out") of high speed trains across the USA, thousands of skyscrapers all across the USA and such: global projects for the common good, large scale projects where humanity progresses collectively, where this myth of inequality and "Being Better than You" and such is overthrown once and for all.

BUT SINCE MAN IS A PRIMITIVE APE, HE POSSESSES A STONE AGE APE MAN - MAN BRAIN, THE ONLY WAY TO KILL THIS INEQUALITY AND THE RICH AND POOR DICHOTOMY IS TO KILL HUMAN NATURE ONCE AND FOR ALL BY RADICALLY AND WILDLY AND DEFINITELY CHANGING HOW HIS MAN BRAIN WORKS AND IS DESIGNED, BY DISCONNECTING HIS WILL POWER GADGETS AND HIS INSTINCTS TO FIGHT AND BE BETTER, TO HOSE ALL THOSE OLD FASHIONED APE MAN AND STONE AGE INSTINCTS OF FIGHTING, AND BEATING UP, AND WANTING TO WIN, AND WANTING TO BE "BETTER THAN YOU", AND WANTING TO USE OTHERS AS A TOOL, AND WANTING TO EXPRESS THE FREEDOM OF THE WILL POWER ALWAYS AS OPPOSED TO OTHER WILL POWERS, THE FIGHTS, THE CONFLICTS, THE CONTRASTS, ETC.

Only by changing the design of the Brain can the class warfare be finally won by the poor, once and for all, and for all time and for everyone forever. AMEN.


THE APE MAN HAS SPOKEN ONCE AGAIN

From:

http://instantsingularity3.blogspot.it

and

http://instantsingularity1.blogspot.it

There is only one truth: the Technological Economy doesn't even need any work at all, it barely needs any labor to function, it is mostly an automatic system based on huge economy of scales, technology, huge consumption and production of Energy, the Automatic for the People and such. So the entire edifice of the Right Wing ideology is no longer even applicable, this economy needs more work like a hole in the head, actually this economy has nothing to do with work at all, it is all about automatic, power relationships, political and status powers, inequality from the outset, not based on any imaginary meritocracy, etc. It is rich enough to give all the basics all people need everywhere and to everyone many times over, it is actually Too Rich, hence the Bubbles, and trillions of dollars in banks worldwide playing games over people's lives, and firing people (it is so easy to fire workers when work is no longer even relevant in any possible way anymore in an Automatic, Technological Economy, let alone all of the BS about "Creating Jobs", what an idiotic idea ! the whole purpose of jobs is to create wealth for a few and to express inequality, the whole purpose of jobs is to actually eliminate the need of jobs through the application of "Services" and the "Information Economy" and other such BS, etc., the whole purpose of jobs is to eliminate the future needs of any jobs on behalf of the Rich and Powers that be, by automating and solving all work needs and labor needs once and for all, giving the Powers that be ever more power to use people in any way, since work is just an excuse to show off power, is just a game, an optional game as in all of the layoffs every now and then, to show how little companies really need the labor of millions, etc.).

That particular meme, in conjunction with the OWS movement, has great potential.

"think tank Yodas" !! Thanks James - often you mint beautiful phrases. I was LOLing for quite a while about that one!

Yes I will get to it after work this evening. I apologize for not letting it be known that I realized that your comments were based off previous posts. I just didn't have time to go back. I will known, but I probably won't have much more to say on this subject. I actually read this blog every Monday because the racial issues we have pale next to abyss we are rushing toward even as those who reached the edge and turned back are warning us to stop, we continue towards some type of pitiful, sorry-ass suffering existence. I didn't say death because I think it will amount to a lowered standard of living that future generations will think is normal, and it will be. But for us who remember it seems unbearable, not that we can't tough it out, but we know we shouldn't have to. I stepped in your discussion because I thought it was too off-base to continue. Oh and we are not like oil and water, if so the detergent for us is time. On the other hand does it really matter. Okay time to go to work.

There are many fine comments on this topic posted so far and I feel no burning need to get my two cents in for the most part. My main reaction at this juncture is this: just like with adjustable rate subprime mortgages people need to be responsibe for their own shit and to realize when something is a bad deal. And taking out massive loans to attend an open admissions no name school to major in something which must inevitably prove to be unmarketable is a fool's errand. Doing the same on one's parent's gravy train might be okay from a financial perspective but would tend also to be a waste of time to a very great extent. There is also the hazard that marketable majors may prove to be unpalatable in the long run provoking one to drop out of that field to try something more romantic such as running off to sea to do some commercial fishing before we utterly lay waste the oceans. Such adventures could also lead to an early demise. Who the fuck knows? All I can say is that if you're determined to be a history major like Julietta and you don't find yourself at Princeton then you may pay hell trying to get into the state department as a foreign service officer and hence, end up defaulting on your ill advised loans. As Paul Fussell said in one of his snobism books, if you're not "Ivy" then in a sense you're not a real college graduate and you may be putting your third rate journalism degree to use by enlisting in the army to write for the Stars and Stripes while perhaps getting blown up by an IED in some third world shit-hole but then at least you'll have your disability pension and end up wishing you'd taken ROTC so at least you'd be a pensioned off lieutenant instead of corporal.

To me at least it's been obvious ever since the Nixon Administration, during which I began college. that the middle class was fucked and that no one in industry cared about working people anymore, if they ever did, which they probably didn't. It was for such reasons that I instinctively avoided responsibilities which I sensed I wouldn't be able to pay for, such as getting a wife & kids, which of course no one really needs in the first place. Instead I did my time in the navy so at least I'd be able to use the VA when there were no jobs forthcoming for me. Although I learned a trade in the navy that trade ultimately proved worse than just unpalatable as being a merchant seaman is nothing but wage slavery while rooming with neanderthals. White collar work sucks because it depends on being liked by your superiors. People who are not gifted ass-kissers should avoid the so called professional world. And let's not have any of this nonsense arguing that school teaching is a profession. Try reading "The Cliff Walk" about a discarded college teacher learning the carpentry trade. Can't recall the authors name but an excellent read. He correctly sensed that professional employment is all about being liked and therefore is not reliable income. Reliable income is learning auto mechanics then opening your own junk yard in a crappy neighborhood! Lose the romantic delusions.


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...education is so dumbed down...


yes, an average C student in 1968 would be a star performer today. the US 'education' system is PATHETIC.

case in point: my son's 12-year old friend who immigrated to the US from Bulgaria was promptly placed in 12th grade math class.

my son reported that the kid has what looked like 30-year old textbooks all lovingly taped up at home, which he studied voraciously at his parents' insistence.

guess the US system just needs more FUNDING tho'.

US=LOW-RENT LOSER COUNTRY

(and i used to love the place)

[caveat: there are a few good folks left, to be sure]

peace peaceniks

"Go easy on him. He saved Buddha by throwing his body on a thermite grenade at Anzio."
-xhalor, in defense of asoka.-

That's freakin' hilarious, Xhalor!

And, that was a nice little jab at asoka, too, Kaiho. He's such an expert on so many things that he knows nothing about, including basic training in the military.
Funny stuff, guys!

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"A nation is a team. It lives, sleeps, eats, and breathes as a team." -kaiho I-

That's a beautiful sentiment, KI.
It is also very Japanese, I think.

The United States is nothing like a team.
Given enough time, stable population numbers, and unlimited fossil fuels - we might have eventually become a team.

But the likelihood of that happening now, in a world of energy descent - approaches zero.

I don't think the 'Millennials' are a coherent group, and I even discount most of the generational theory going around these days. I think that now, just as in the past, the vast majority of people will follow certain trends but there will always be minorities and pockets here and there of specially trained, wise, independent, or discerning individuals who buck the trend or are simply not concerned with the ironic complexities of the day.

Don't expect a revolution or a positive social change in this country, its true that most Millennials are simply head in the sand and overwhelmed at this. There is an undercurrent of super-educated or discerning anonymous-type young people, however, but they will probably remain anonymous because, to be honest, who the hell wants to take responsibility for helming the Titanic?

"C wut I did there?"

If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. Malcom X

You're right, the young simply want out. Nobody cares. Those who are educated and intelligent can't but try and make some preparations for the collapse. Why bother to re-arrange the deck chairs on the Titanic?

However I do argue for awareness and a strong self-education on all the important issues rather than sheer obliviousness. Better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a pig satisfied, eh?

"If anything I think Black people don't hardly notice you. You are more or less background or a backdrop to their lives, as we are to many people. Nothing wrong with that, it is what it is."
-shaka's friend, in response to K/Q-

Very interesting ideas, Shaka. I would encourage both you and your friend to do some posting on CFN to elaborate.

Right at this point, I'd say that what your friend is asking for is no different from what Vlad is asking for - the right to live a separate life in an (exclusively?) black culture. Except Vlad wants an (exclusively?) white culture. Same idea, right?

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And let me say it, before someone else does -
"WHAT DOES ALL THIS RACIAL TALK HAVE TO DO WITH PEAK OIL??"

Well, the huge and growing US economy of the 1960's through 1990's - made ALL of us think that minority groups (blacks, for example) could have a separate cultural identity - while still being relatively successful economically, and otherwise.

The US economy is no longer growing.
As we pass the inevitable peak of fossil fuels the shrinkage of the US economy will inevitably hit the poorest people the hardest. And if the poorest people are black, and reject education while they harden more and more into an insular racial and cultural identity - - -

How does this all end?
Where do we all live near each other?
How do we all make a living?

Neo-feudalism writ large. I actually think there is good chance of this compared to all of the chaotic fantasies we see being bandied about. Consider the viewership #s of American Idol, and how little resistance there has been to Obama's recent incursions into the Constitution. We are dead asleep and loving our slavery!

They had plans for the future, eh?
Awww, too bad fer them things didn't quite pan out. There are those that visit this blog that have been born too late to help with the Victory and Purifying. Awww...

I'd like to amend an old saw:
"Those who live by fear, die by fear."

There are those of us who ain't a'skeert, and there will be more and more as things decline. That's always an impediment to authoritarian jerkwads.

Asoka is not only famous for that. He somehow managed to "survive" the 1950's. A time when the average black family (yes, I mean mom married to dad, some kids, maybe even a dog) could rely on having ONE well paying union job to make house payments and live a middle class lifestyle. This with just a high school diploma! Picture Detroit, circa 1957, when it was still the envy of the nation, producing cars and appliances. Detroit's downtown was thriving with middle and upper middle class black families. Yeah, there were some lower middle class folks - black and white, who still managed to pay the rent and keep food on the table.

Fast forward to 2012 and take a good, hard, sober look at Detroit and its citizens. It makes Haiti seem like a tropical paradise. Look at the old news reels from the 1950s and early 1960s. Blacks were marching for equal rights and dressed to the nines! Women in dresses and men in shirts, jackets, and ties. You won't see that kind of demonstration today. And yet Asoka "survived" this awful era. The guy's a living Siddhartha who bloviates about what our wonderful world, a world with no borders - uh, no, just the U.S. with no borders. The rest of the world is too smart to open its borders. Still, we all kneel before him, awaiting his next nugget of wisdom...yeah, right!



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Still, we all kneel before him, awaiting his next nugget of wisdom...yeah, right! -Krampa

Krampy Grampy,
You reference the mighty A, healer, master builder and omniscient sage.
From whence are his nuggets dispensed?

(My cat produces nuggets that I scatter out in the [euphemistically termed] yard; the dog then goes on what I like to term as a "nugget hunt". Mmmm-mmm, good!)

Yeah, JHK, the Millenials gonna getcha.

Right after this next round of Xbox.

"It makes Haiti seem like a tropical paradise."

I guess you haven't been either place lately?

Someone mentioned Detroit a few entries back. I've seen the pictures on google map. This is a brand new urban landscape. what an awsome opportunity to change this area into a sustainable community. I hope some bright college types are working on this project as I type. You could have miles and miles of greenhouses to feed the people who are still left in the area. While Jim and others here are good at visioning some doomesday outcome there are others who know we will get the change we deserve.

Nobody forces college kids to take out loans. And 2 of my kids that did take out some loans made sure it wasn't so much that they could never pay it back. My other 2 kids had no loans. My step-daughter who didn't attend college is making the least of all the kids and has the fewest options for employment as a result.

I do agree that for the majority the old "American Dream" is over and maybe it is for the best. that lifestyle is not sustainable and yes, adjustments are in order.

The fact that college debt is treated diferntly is a political thing and can be reversed with a different political climate. Lets hope the winds of change keep blowing in favor of true democracy.

I would not advise anyone to not pay your college debt. Try getting a house loan with a bad credit score. If you can get a mortgage at all it will be at a higher rate. Keep the faith folks, we are making progress ever so slowly.

Hey, who you calling low rent! Rents are lower in Brazil, I assure you, sir. Have you looked at the monthly price of a Bay Area apartment lately?

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This weekend I was listening to a radio interview with a college instructor who taught a science course to non-science majors. The students just selected his class from a list of required subjects to fill out their required course load. Each semester, he would look at all those bored faces and know just what they where thinking - counting down the minimum number of hours they would have sit there to pass and get their course credits. Hoping to spark some input, he asked one group why they acted so unmotivated in class. Among the various respones, the most honest was, "I'm here for a degree, not an education".

Reminds me of that movie "My Favoite Year" in which Peter O'Toole, playing a has-been movie matinee idol, is struck with stage fright when he learns that the TV show he's about to act in is being broadcast live. Panicing, he shouts "I'm not an actor. I'm a movie star!"

That too seems to be the situation with many of our important government regulators these days. They are mere high status title holders to departmental posts and possess none of the expertise nor perform any of the rigorous work one would expect from someone occupying such a position. Then they panic and hide from the cameras if the media tries to question them on their failures.

The Wall Street fraud mongers do nicely off this. God knows what exotic financial instuments are being created today from bundled, tranched, and derivitivized student debt. Like the victims of the MERS home mortgage fiasco, indebted college grads may soon be discovering that their student loans have been bundled, sold, rebundled, and resold until the legal ownership of their debt is hopelessly lost. After it all goes kablooey, Rombama or Obamney, will stoically offer calming reassurances that top minds are diligently probing this matter and drafting a new one thousand page bill that will clarify the rules and regulations for this industry.

People need to realize that the more extensively something is subsidized by the government, the more expensive it becomes, and the more incentive there is for wasteful uses of capital.
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"...premises and promises...of an obsolete American Dream?"

Sounds like the title of a Burt Bacarach/Hal Daved musical. Have you ever tried playwriting Jim? Like those draft card burning prostests you referenced, the musical "Promises Promises" also debuted in 1968. How about teaming up with Andrew Lloyd Weber to rewrite this musical to appeal to cynical 21st century millenials? The play was based on the movie "The Apartment" in which a brown-nosing office worker loans his bachelor pad to philandering executives. You can rewrite the plot as an unemployed office worker letting his former bosses crash at his place after also being downsized, divorced, and kicked out of their mansions in the Hamptons.

The press coverage will be great.

From the creative talents that brought you "Phantom of the Opera" and "The Witch of Hebron", its "Premises and Promises" or "How to Fail in Business Despite Really Trying", the new smash Broadway musical that's cheering up a bummed-out nation. Uplifting to all who think their miserable existence couldn't get any worse, because this toe-tapping sensation shows that it can.

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Dumbed down as it is, here in LA most who go to Public Highs dont graduate!
The Laraza crowd doesnt value education I guess.
Having read a few students essays at the local JC,
the foreign born and first generation 'Americans'
just dont know how to express themselves in English.

Jim,

How much is the tuition at the School of Hard Knocks?

The Government probably won't be giving out any loans for it.

Class will be in session pretty soon, maybe this summer, when the lines begin forming up at your local filling station, tempers are frayed, and revolvers begin appearing out of glove compartments.

--WSP7

Such sublime slime. Watching Japanese Horror Movies (not modern manga swill) was some of the happiest times of my life. I love the way Godzilla mugged for the camera!

Do you think Gamera might be behind most if not all of so called UFO sightings?

Someone who writes "dont" and "doesnt" does not have any basis for criticizing the educational level of anyone.

the US 'education' system is PATHETIC.
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Amazing Welles, you say ^this^ yet you defend poor grammar, spelling, punctuation and the use of lower case letters to begin sentences ...... Do I contradict myself, well then I contradict myself. I am large. I contain multitudes.

"Better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a pig satisfied, eh?"

“We have not the reverent feeling for the rainbow that a savage has, because we know how it is made. We have lost as much as we gained by prying into that matter.” -Mark Twain

I'm glad Kahio is here too, but let's face it: he's another Bill in an Asian body. He wants Multiculturalism for us and Nationalism for Japan. Yes, a hypocrite. Am I surprised? No, I've seen it before. I went to college and worked with people from other countries - and really listened to them. I've heard the same thing from Turks and Africans of various countries.

I'd like more diversity here. I'd love the chance to expose and defeat Latinos, Muslims, South Asians, and East Asians as I have the Jews and White Liberals. Also on the postive side (I have a small one), it would be good to get other perspectives. For example, I'd love to know what Latinos think about the persecution of Mr Zimmerman.

Having read a few students essays at the local JC,
the foreign born and first generation 'Americans'
just dont know how to express themselves in English.
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Coming from your keyboard, Asia, ^this^ is one of the most ironic statements I have ever read on this blog.

Yes, how sad to find out that being inside a cloud is not being in heaven but just being in a fog. We need distance to see clearly in this world. And does not familiarity breed contempt?

Only when we changed will we "know even as we are known".

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Since we're all in agreement that "it's" all going away...today is opening day at Dodger Stadium. Nothing but binoculars.

Who stared the small caps mania? Why do people think it "cool"? Do they think that writing i instead of I shows a lack of egotism? I'll take the humble pride of a Vlad Krandz over the proud humility of an ozone anyday.

Old story: Diogenes came up to Plato who was early for a feast and sitting at a well set table. Grabbing the table cloth Diogenes set it all crashing down as he yelled, "This is what I think of your pride". Plato replied, "And with greater pride".

Was it bell hooks - black, lesbian, buddhist, "poetess" who started it?

The fact that college debt is treated diferntly is a political thing and can be reversed with a different political climate.
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Has it ever occured to anyone that education and the financing of education (from K thru PHd) should NOT be an area of governmental concern or involvement...any more than government should be involved in people's choices and payments for toilet paper? Seriously.

how many tymes do i have to say READ the ENTIRE original post? if i'm not mistaken i said that the CONTENT of written/spoken word - not the tyred rehashing of grammatical/spelling rules - is more important than spelling etc. (btw your use of 'lower case' in your retort is 'incorrect' but fully understood).

what, in my offending sentence, is incomprehensible in the SLIGHTEST?

is the point not clear? of course it is. kryst, i even cite ee cummings, the patron saint of lower-case lettering.

YES, if grammar is atrocious and makes comprehension difficult, THEN you can point fingers.

stopp picking nits where there clearly ain't none.

no one's writing in pidgin english or damn ebola out here.

peace peaceniks


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Metaphysics achieved to the upmost, a Box of matter expressing combinations we never could possibly imagine and such...

if 'we could never possibly imagine...' how do you know it's metaphysics to the 'upmost' or 'utmost'?

you simple go round in contradiction whilst babbling self-aggrandizingly. useless, as usual.

peace peaceniks

Q, from previous writings, I gather that you don't think the government should have a role in doing much of anything, except perhaps paving the road up to your house. Everything should apparently be left up to the magical and infallible "private sector", which can do no wrong.

That's a nice fantasy world you inhabit. Say 'hi' to Ayn Rand for me.

And let's put that another way.

How much of the US's prosperity, such as it is, can be traced back to the establishment of public universities, as well as universal K-12 education?

How do you think things would have turned out had education been left completely up to the Free Market?

Of course, I don't expect an honest assessment from someone with such a knee-jerk anti-government position, but it is an interesting thought experiment.

The Easter bunny is getting old and has checked into rehab. This is what happens when the yield is rotten eggs.

Would it hurt you to capitalize your sentences or are you attempting to make some kind of obtuse 'point' about something?

What that might be, I have no idea. Perhaps you're trying to tell us that your 'shift' key is broken?

Ah, well, I guess your shift key works fine, or at least caps lock, because you are apparently able to capitalize entire words but not the first word of each sentence.

Ah, well, I guess your shift key works fine, or at least caps lock, because you are apparently able to capitalize entire words but not the first word of each sentence. Turkle to Welles
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Odd that we are on the same page at least as regards capitalization.

It isn't so odd. While I may not agree with your position on the proper role of government in society, I follow your lead on all matters grammatical.

Funny you commented on this, Q. I just got a call from my state rep chastising me for the high price I paid for my Charmin. Now I know what that red blinking light in my bathroom is for.

Before jhk's latest meme of college loans being renounced leading to the latest economic bubble bursting and violence at the political conventions leading to a return to hard scrabble subsistence survival, ther wiklkl be yet another nasty middle eastern war.


BHO intends to earn his second term and deflect attention from his miserable performance the old fashioned way, by starting a war. The targets are Iran and Syria. There are three full carrier task forces (the Enterprise, the the Abe Lincoln, and the Carl Vinson) hanging out in the area just brimming with assault troops, special forces, cruise missiles, top-gun pilots and itchy trigger-fingered middle aged commanders anxious to have yet another hit of the narcotic of warfare.


When BHO shows that he is badder than Dumbya Bush and the Hitler youth in the opposition ever hoped to be the dumbed-down electorate will just slobber its approval and vote him in for another term. Even more fun will bge watching the opposition left standing around sounding like a cross between Elmer Fudd and the stuttering Porky Pig.

I agree with Kyoo to an extent. There are many ways the government should stay out of education. Especially with all the mandated curriculum it imposes. There probably is really no good reason to have a dept. of Education. But Iam so against making a profit on elementary and H.S. students. Corners are cut, teachers are less qualified, and standards (yes, standards, state and local imposed not the feds) go by the way. All in the name of returning a profit for the investor. We have too much big business in our schools as it is.

Uh, Vlad, in order to have a contest, one must join it. I'm not in a contest to see if I can win over you - I could care less. I just respond to you to contradict you, to contrast your silly racism with reason. I would never engage in a battle of wits with you because I don't fight unarmed men.

I'd like to think we don't go to war against Iran; it would be a tragic mistake. But if we do, then you are spot-on in your analysis.

On the topic of proper writing and speaking, I agree with you Vlad.

San Jose Mom is having a bad day.

1. Walmart is opening a store within .5 miles of my home. I argued with the city, but to no avail, they are just interested in revenue--not the quality of life around here. My arguments:

A. The site was formerly a Home Expo site...opened back in the day when everyone had money to spend on granite countertops and luxurious appointments in the home. This big box store is serviced by a single two lane access road. Doesn't the city appreciate that the traffic in and out of a remodeling business is different than Walmart?

B. The Walmart receiving dock is just a few yards from a retirement community. They are going to hear a lot of truck noise and banging around in the early morning.

C. More revenue? The economy is not growing around here. Walmart is going to suck the business from other stores in the area--Best Buy, Costco, Safeway. The city's net income will drop because Walmart sells stuff cheaper.

So city hall has let me down again. Across from Walmart, there is a huge patch of farm land. The city counsel recently approved a plan to put more big box stores on 45 acres. This goes against the city's official master plan to cut down on big box developments. Not only that, this farm land (the last of its kind in San Jose) is right next to the Guadalupe River. Good bye riperian zone. Their compromise was that they'll save a space in the parking lot for a farmers market.

Deep sigh,

Jen
Hoping she doesn't explode in anger some day.

The teaching of “pitch location” must be another failure of higher education because you just tossed a watermelon right over the middle of the plate. But since I’m feeling kind today I’ll take a called third strike. That aside, I’ll still going to give you a baleful stare on my walk back to the dugout, and if that stare could speak it would say: “ Hey Deep Thinker, you missed the point once again!”

* I'm ^

No, no, no, Kaiho. Advanced Individual Training is for learning a specialization. Basic Combat Training is for learning how to kill human beings.

Basic Combat Training (BCT) consists of the first ten weeks of the total Basic Training period. This is where individuals learn about the fundamentals of being a soldier and learns combat techniques for killing other human beings.

Advanced Individual Training (AIT) consists of the remainder of the total Basic Training period, and is where recruits train in the specifics of their chosen field. As such, AIT is different for each available Army career path, or Military Occupational Specialty (MOS). For example, if an individual has an MOS of Human Intelligence Collector, they would be sent, following completion of BCT, to the Intelligence School at Fort Huachuca, Arizona. If an individual instead had the MOS of Army medic, they would be sent, after BCT, to the Army Medical Department School at Fort Sam Houston in San Antonio, Texas. AIT courses can last anywhere from 6 to 52 weeks.

This post is also for P2C, who claims I know nothing about Basic Combat Training. As if one has to go through it to know about it!

I need to go back and reread Meno by Plato.

At any rate, I’m afraid that the inherent beauty of Plato’s heaven fails under the scrutiny of human interpretation. In other words, one man’s beauty is another man’s need for the fig leaf. Yes that’s right Brother Vlad; the wretched human form revealed in full perverse nudity needs to be covered and now! Or better yet, take a hammer to Michelangelo’s David and break that Vatican piece of pornography into a million unrecognizable pieces - Hallelujah, and Praise The Lord !

is the point not clear? of course it is.
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I'm sure Anti Soak thinks everything he writes is clear too.

Yesterday, right after our exchange regarding capitalization I picked up the NY Times and started reading an article that caught my eye titled Behind the Steering Wheel, and Not a Grammarian in Sight.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/08/behind-the-steering-wheel-and-not-a-grammarian-in-sight/?scp=2&sq=behind%20the%20wheel&st=cse

A Mr. Vincent goes out to move his car to another parking space because they have something in Brooklyn known as alternate-side parking rules. He spends a half hour riding around and around and finally finds a perfect spot right near his own street. But, he spots a street sign that says NO STANDING, APRIL TO OCTOBER

He wondered exactly what that "to" meant. He thought about it and decided it meant no parking until October began. Since it was Oct 2nd he figured it was OK.

Two days later his car is towed away and it cost him $225 to get it out plus a $115 ticket. He decides to appeal it in court and comes armed with several dictionaries which made clear that "to" means "up to but not including" and that "through" means "to and including." He loses the case, appeals again and loses again without the Judge ever addressing the relevant dictionary definitions of "to" and "through." He considers another appeal...this time to the State Supreme Court with a filing fee of $305. In the meantime, and to make the injustice all the more infuriating, a new sign was put up which read NO STANDING, APRIL 1 - SEPT 30.

Yes Welles, there is a reason for all those nit-picking rules, definitions, spellings, and punctuation. You are an educated person. You are NOT, let's say, Leon Spinks. There simply is no excuse for half-assed written communications whether I understand the point or not. (As we used to say in the Air Force: "Close enough for government work.") It's bad precedent. Are you REALLY too lazy to press your pinkie finger on the shift key? Are you too busy? Are you too cool?

yes there is reason for lingo rules where it REALLY counts, such as when your car may be towed. ditto medicine and whatnot.

I work as a translator, where punkchewation's necessary, as is capitalization, and a comma can gravely change the meaning of a sentence.

what, you gotta be all keyed up out on this site, can't you just relax out here whilst making a point(s)?

no more blather on grammar, enuf already.

plus fartbook just bought instagramm, and i have to ready everyone's "@-comments" on twaddle.

what lows america has sunken to.

peace peaceniks

This "capitalization war" going on between welles and kyoosthik...

is this the microcosm of the macrocosm? proof that man is destined to continue to destroy each other because they can't tolerate each other's differences? that man's attention is always deflected by the inane or non-constructive issue, thus avoiding the resolution of the key survival issues of present time, of which the failure to solve will condemn them to extinction in the not too distant future?

I hope not.
i hope not.

See, I've met you both... not in the middle but... ALL THE WAY.

C'mon everyone, can't we all just get along?

BTW welles...

Sunken is an adjective, not a verb.

Correction:

"What lows America has sunk to."

One more conjugation, punctuation, capitalization or syntax error and you will be barred from this blog.

Your either on the bus or off the bus.

Oops!

Correction:

YOU'RE either on the bus or off the bus.

We had a car hit a gasoline truck tanker in one of the counties south of here. Minor injuries, no deaths, no fire, but 8,000 gallons of gas and diesel spilled.

A lot of the petrol went downhill into a creek. The local FD was out there for about 18 hours building berms and catchments - before finally securing the scene and turning it over to EPD/EPA and private contract crews for cleanup.

I can't imagine what a thing like this must cost.
Accident was the fault of the car driver.
Even if the car driver had $1 million worth of insurance - that's not going to even come close to the final bill.

FD had to stop CSX trains for about 10 hours. "Somebody" said that it cost $100,000 per hour to stop a freight train. At one point they had FIVE trains stopped.

Wow. It is a complicated and expensive business to run this US of A.

Sorry about the new Wally World, SJ.

I've been looking for a reason to throw this trivia pursuit link out to the CFN thread. You just gave me one. 50 Amazing Numeric Facts -

3. The combined assets of Wal-Mart's (NYSE: WMT ) Walton family is equal to that of the bottom 150 million Americans.

30. Americans age 60 and older owe $36 billion in student loans.

35. According to Goldman Sachs' Jim O'Neill, China's growth creates the equivalent of a new Greece every 90 days.

40. In 2009, 5% of Americans accounted for 50% of all health care costs.

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2012/04/05/50-amazing-numbers-about-todays-economy-.aspx

Comment thread for this Motley Fool article is pretty interesting, also.

run welles

RUN!

Buck,
Not sure if you made a typo. Original David is in Galeria del Academia in Florence. A copy is promptly placed where he stood in front of Palacio de la Signoria close to Uffici gallery.

However, the real reason that I made this reply is to thank you for the Mian Situ link. Always like to be pleasantly surprised with realist painter.

Is that why you refused to apologize after I proved you wrong about the show Cops changing the race of the perps? After calling me a liar about it?

Likewise, I don't need you Kosher Stamp of Approval - I have defeated you again and again.

Yes we should all go around naked showing off our bodies when weather permits. Only beautiful people should wear fig leaves so as not to inspire lust. All the fuglies in the buff will help to destroy lust. I think we have figured out a good social policy "Buck".

Hope no one tries to eat the fig leafs off the genitalias!

You're right Balkan( maybe I should used M's Rome Pieta instead) but I was using "Vatican" in the typical way it is used on this site- I'm sure you have noticed:)

And you're welcome regarding the Situ link.

“ It’s a safe statement that a gathering of commas (except on certain lawful occasions, as in a list) is a suspicious circumstance” ---H.W. and F.G. Fowler “ The King’s English”

I'm beginning to think we have suspicious gathering of grammarians here ;)

At least it will bring in jobs! And you can get what you need easily! But I understand your pain. I contemplate your righteous upbringing with pleasure. If you were young and unformed, I would reccomend the Amish Books that are so popular with Christian girls...

If I have a daughter, I will name her Offred after the young woman in "The Handmaid's Tale" - a story that all Feminsts love and I love for different reasons.

All kidding aside, it is sad for the Community and especially the Elderly across the street. I know Walmart wreaks havoc on a deeper level wherever it goes.

"How can a single citizen, or any number thereof, possibly comprise a threat to a government that has a trillion plus dollars to spend each year on security and weapons, the world’s largest navy and air force, 700 plus military bases across the world, large numbers of nuclear weapons, 16 intelligence agencies plus the intelligence agencies of its NATO puppet states?"

[Pucker shrugs his shoulders and mumbles to himself]

"I don't know...beats me...."

Just in case anyone was wondering -
thinking about taxes really can kill you.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-04-10/death-and-taxes-collide-as-fatal-crashes-mount-on-irs-filing-day

....i've lived way over half my life overseas so every once in a blue moon i get a single word wrong in english a bit, as i listen in my head trying to mentally hear how it's used...i was torn between sunk and sunken...

anyway i'm not the one focussing on inane trivia, it's the old maid grammar martinets here who sound like they wear v-neck sweaters and carry library cards...

i'm here for content, ideas, not window dressing.

three more trees planted today, counteracting global warming bit by bit, and purifying the water and air.

the world continues to get better.


peace peaceniks

Well, I'll be danged. K/Q - Look at this study.
http://www.livescience.com/19580-niceness-dna-scientists-find.html
Study participants who saw the world as a threatening place, and the people in it as inherently bad, were nonetheless nice, dutiful and charitable as long as they had the versions of the receptor genes associated with niceness. These "nicer" versions of the genes, Poulin said, "allow you to overcome feelings of the world being threatening and help other people in spite of those fears."

50% of US whites have the genes that encode for "niceness." Percentage is lower in US Asian populations - despite these populations "social cohesion." No mention was made of the genetic coding among US blacks for "niceness." Sorry, Vlad - I'm sure they will get to that in the next study.

On M1ll3n14ls, "Maybe the millenials will pull their head out of their Twitter-induced stupor and surprise me, and mass-revolt against the system. Maybe they will have enough momentum and spark by shear dint of their numbers to pull this off."

Ummm... Nope. No spark, no shear dint. A bunch of very dull knives, with no momentum. They can be picked up and used by politicians- they proved that with Obama. Thats about it.

Tre said "What the Millenials are getting right: Hopefulness, optimism, willingness to work together. I've read them asking JHK and Nicole Foss after events, "OK. But what can we DO about this?"

In other words, expressing total ignorance. Nice try, guy. M1ll3n14ls aren't going anywhere. After all, to a cargo cult, youth is just another miracle fix, just around the corner. In reality the millennials are just younger, dumber cargo cultists.

Many people are simply waiting for the Whiz kid to come along and figure out how to clean up the mess, in politics, religion, the environment, all the way down to the family level.

"What we're getting wrong: Thinking that medication, therapy, well-scripted TV dramas, Apple products, and social networking enrich life. (They actually ruin it.)"

This is totally true. Your cell-phone is making you unhappy, though you'd be hard pressed to realise that. You can't even put your finger on it. After all, the proliferation of all these objects demanding your attention further traps people in their own little worlds of convenience and comfort. Technology has bred a nation of voyeurs and social robots. The social Darwinism has sharply increased. The Millenials are actually the least prepared to handle any modern problem. (For the reason why see Cargo Cult Whiz Kid above)

The older generation expects (laughably) that the system of international trade and capitalism's "Free Market" will supply Millennials with the tools to fix the problem of the collapsing climate and ecosystems. They are only providing the tools and jobs to keep the current arrangements running. Fiscal reality demands Millennials pour their wealth and energy into the existing self-destructing system. Millennials aren't stupid; the deal is raw.

At the same time Millennials are required to eat a shit sandwich of high prices, inflation, low wages, and careers without benefits or stability.

The cohort breaks down into women and men. Young women are buoyed by their social and sexual dominance as young women. Young men are confused, abused and repressed. As young women drop out due to fecklessness and pregnancy, the young men drop out due to hopelessness and fatigue.

We've allowed tens of millions of low-paid immigrants to swamp the markets and decimate trade jobs over the past several decades, jobs that produce skills and self-esteem, not to mention investment capital and wealth. Symbolically, these jobs bring together community in the actual "building" of the social and civic realm.

All that is impossible in America today. It is not possible to course correct. It is not possible for unskilled, ignorant kids to solve the problems we've faced. Dennis Meadows is right- we ought to invest in becoming resilient for the 0-10 year old set because there is no guarantee the kids born between 2012-2022 will have any kind of future worth living in from 2042-2142.

Paraphrasing Al Bartlett, the problem is now humanity's inability to understand the linear function. Assume crash positions.

Orlov suggests that it would be more efficient to have the IRS administer ObamaCare....

welles, I agree. these guys remind me of the TV show, Big Bang Theory. You have a great attitude--more trees is the answer.


The art wing of OWS is jumping into the fray - some of the comments are interesting.

"The biennial perpetuates the myth that art functions like other professional careers and that selection and participation in the exhibition, for which artists themselves are not compensated, will secure a sustainable vocation," the letter goes on. "This fallacy encourages many young artists to incur debt from which they will never be free and supports a culture industry and financial and cultural institutions that profit from their labors and financial servitude."

http://artsandlabor.org/end-the-whitney-biennial-2014/

Death & Taxes: If the IRS administered ObamaCare, then it could reduce its healthcare costs by taxing people to death. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone....

Can't agree with Kunstler on this.

No generation is going to revolt against this totalitarian government. All are too complacent, anesthetized, apathetic or successfully programmed. Look at how all those millions across the sea slid right into Communism and Socialism without much of a fuss.

Might be some guys out of Idaho who every once in a while bomb some government buildings, have shoot outs with law enforcement or the National Guard or whatever.

The population will go quietly into that long dark night—with a whimper. Sheep to the slaughter.

I hope that all of you CFNers had a happy, relaxing Passover holiday.

To refresh your memories: It's when The Angel-of-Death passes you by.....


"We've allowed tens of millions of low-paid immigrants to swamp the markets and decimate trade jobs over the past several decades, jobs that produce skills and self-esteem, not to mention investment capital and wealth. Symbolically, these jobs bring together community in the actual "building" of the social and civic realm." BS

Ummh, does this mean that Asoka's idea of open borders to the U.S. was/is a bad idea?

"One of the few nuggets of wisdom to have come from the economics "profession" is that if something can't go on it won't."

They do not however apply this principle to themselves. Economic growth has become an end unto itself and is considered to be the only acceptable solution for all social problems. No economists stands up and speaks out when the words 'sustainable growth' are uttered despite being a compete impossibility and oxymoron. Growth of GNP is always considered to be good no matter what has grown or if anyone has actually benefited from the growth. A mainstream economists always advocates economic growth and never considers that it can't go on forever. Mainstream economists believe that infinite substitution can always replace depleted resources and that new technology will always find an answer to maintain economic growth.

No group can be expected to exert the self-discipline necessary to control population unless there is a way to keep the advantages of such self-discipline from being eaten up by inward migration. No immigration control means no population control. Open borders will always lead to population growth.

"As if one has to go through it to know about it!"

You cannot return from a place you have not been.

The writing has been on the wall for a long time in San Jose. The times I've been there trying to negotiate the six to eight lane boulevards with virtually identical shopping centers every few miles with 'Best Buy', 'Office Max' 'Java Juice', 'Starbucks', 'Target', etc. ad nauseum. I feel your pain, but didn't San Jose sell out and lose its soul several years ago? What did you expect? Your husband has a nice job, it seems, but you're living in an environment with an ever diminishing standard of living.

MH

I was sitting here waiting for the Knicks/Bulls game to begin, watching some interviews and B-ball talking-head analysis. The Knicks won a thriller against the Bulls on Sunday and now it's Tuesday and they're playing the Bulls again. So, Woodson, the interim head coach who replaced the fired D'Antoni says, (in regard to this being the second game in a row in 3 days against the Bulls), "So this is a learning curve game for us." (If I had been the interviewer I would have said, "please explain for our audience Coach exactly in what sense or manner this is "a learning curve game.")

The Woodson interview ends and the cameras go back to Walt "Clyde" Frazier, color commentator (no, I didn't say "colored" commentator) and his sidekick and Clyde parrots Woodson, "As Coach Woodson said, this is a learning curve game for the Knicks." (Wow! the profundity of it all!)

Now I ask you, have you ever heard such meaningless drivel? It is obvious to me that neither of these two guys has the slightest idea what a learning curve is. If they did know it would mean that theoretically the Knicks would have learned from the experience of the first game, thus making it easier to play the Bulls effectively in the second game. This has a certain ring of truth to it except that the Bulls also would be "playing a learning curve game" so who could say who had learned more? Learning curve theory rightly says that you will do something easier, better, quicker on the second iteration than the first if the iterations are in fairly quick succession. Who could say with certainty that this will be the case tonight?

The only way Woodson's learning curve statement would have any validity - not that he actually has ever been taught the concept, or the math, or seen a learning curve plotted on graph paper - would be if the Knicks' opponents were not humans but rather like a computer opponent with a fixed ability level, never improving nor worsening regardless of playing successive games. Thus the Knicks would have learned something from their first game on Sunday while their opponent didn't.

I apologize for being grossly off topic (and perhaps even showing signs of "losing it") but this kind of shit bothers me. It's like the full page color ads you see in the papers for The Hunger Games. The picture is of Katniss, the heroine of the story, string pulled back, ready to shoot an arrow with her bow. It is obvious from the way the arrow is held that the actress playing this role knows less about archery than I do about quantum mechanics, which is nothing.

  According to the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) reported that, on the eve of the Olympics, the number of British police arrest sex workers greatly increased.
  NGO "Toynbee Hall" said that since January, Tower Hamlets police implementation of the sex workers 48 arrests. In Newham, the past two months, the police 21 arrests of sex workers.long dress
  Miriam Meyer Nemcova said, "Toynbee Hall staff, the number of this more than two months, the British police to arrest sex workers even more than last year. The organization was concerned that the practice of the police force sex workers fled remote hidden places more easily become victims of criminals.
  British police to respond to intensify the crackdown is not for the Olympic Games. "This is in response to community concerns. formal dress
 

I speak for everyone here when I say we're happy your world is always getting better, but--
when western civ falls, don't you think some of the dust will settle on SA? Who is Brazil going to sell all those cars to?

Woa! Shaka12 what? Are there 11 others I don't know about?

A Tennessee bill meant to protect teachers who allow students to question and criticize "controversial" subjects such as evolution and climate change became law on Tuesday...

This is funny legislation. In education students are always encouraged to ask questions. When the truth is discovered through Socratic dialog, then minds change.

An example of this happened to me on CFN. I questioned the laws of physics and through productive Socratic dialog with other posters the truth was discovered, and I changed my mind. I now believe in the laws of physics.

Oh, this is precious!

I borrowed 2 Kunstler books from my library yesterday and just got around to cracking The Long Emergency a minute ago. I read the front jacket blurb which continued on to the back jacket and then I noticed that on the blank side of the very last page of the book a note was printed out in pencil by a previous reader. Here's what it said:

"Don't take this too seriously. This guy ain't no scientist - hell, he doesn't even know a half-decent editor.

If you're reading this, I have some advice:

Go do something to get this out of your mind. Have a few drinks, light up a fat spliff, talk to somebody who doesn't believe prophets of doom.

Whatever you do for gods' sakes don't dwell on this book. All it has to offer is a nauseatingly smug vision of doom."

Analysis of note by Q:

The printing in the note appears to be that of a young person, perhaps high school age. However, I speculate it was written by someone older since I don't see any spelling, grammar or punctuation errors save the italicized words above which I feel should have read God's sake although a convoluted argument could be made that he (or she) actually intended the possessive form of more than one (lower case, hinting at atheism) god and thus plural "sakes." The note was unsigned.

Q's Note: We often hear people say "for Christ's sakes" which they run all together so it sounds like "for ChriceSakes" but I hold that Christ (or God) would only have one "sake." I covered this ground in another post several months ago.

"Symbolically, these jobs bring together community in the actual "building" of the social and civic realm." BS

Ummh, does this mean that Asoka's idea of open borders to the U.S. was/is a bad idea? "

Oh, yeah. We should have kept the lid on Mexico and the rest of Central America. I guarantee the world would have been a better place if we had not meddled in Central America.

Remittances are great but they are cargo cult cash. Migration turned central America into a place no one cares about.

k-dog sed, "Economic growth has become an end unto itself and is considered to be the only acceptable solution for all social problems. "

Yes, amazing how discussions on how to save the environment end up as discussions on how to save the economy.

Sorry, forgot to italicize gods' sakes

Its 'just' Big Brother watching us!

'plus fartbook just bought instagramm, and i have to ready everyone's "@-comments" on twaddle'

Can you get someone to translate the 'Chinese spams' here, or are they gibberish?

Vlad and Bucky, you might enjoy reading page 419 of 'the Bell Curve'.

Pleeze! People who deface library books.
Since when does someone need to be a [sigh] Scientist [underlined] to see Peak Everything

I was just reading 'Visions Of The Anointed' in which he says a few things about NJ libraries!

R U OEO?

in which he says a few things about NJ libraries!
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In which who says a few things? Who is he?

'Are you too busy? Are you too cool?'
Who made you King?

"Yes, amazing how discussions on how to save the environment end up as discussions on how to save the economy."

There was a time when one became ill they were better off statistically to stay away from doctors. This is the current state of conventional economic understanding.

Capitalism as it currently exists is totally incompatible with all efforts to save the environment. There are solutions but these solutions oppose contemporary western values. Rather than change values we instead choose ignorance. Consequently species extinction will continue until the species we eliminate is us.

We may actually live to see the end of humanity.

'Hopes she makes the right financial decisions from here on.' Like buying a farm?

"Who started the small caps mania ..."

-Vlad

I think that would be poet, author (The Enormous Room) and WW1 vet e.e. cummings.

--WSP7

How 'bout the upcoming $40,000 per plate Hollywood fundraiser for Obama hosted by George Clooney in his own SoCal home? Whats on the menu? I'm sure a lot of good stuff. Who will attend? Susan Sarandon will be there, along with Sean Penn and Ed Begley. 150 STARS in all turning out. And after dinner many of the guests are jetting off to Clooney's private villa in the South of France to extend the festivities, including Mr. Sustainable Economy himself, Ed Begley.

Owser types, take note. Draw your own conclusions.

--WSP7

I was wondering, do you think it possible for these HOLLYWOOD STARS, after the $40,000 dinner and before the soiree in Cannes, to stop in NYC, ride a limo from the airport to lower Manhattan, and partake in a photo op solidarity session with the remaining OWSERS, bedraggled and beleaguered as they are? New Haven Owsers could use help, too. It would certainly buoy spirits, as well as boost the revolutionary and iconoclastic bona fides of these annointed movie stars? They can't lose! And it would still leave plenty of time to drink champaigne and discuss the revolution with Mick Jagger and other expats in SFrance.

--WSP7

LOL!
I'd guess it just shows-ta-go-ya that the glitterati are as bereft of ideas as any pandering politicos. Kinda gobsmacking that supposedly informed folk would turn to the business-as-usual system to fix a problem that's clearly caused by business-as-usual. But, hey, if'n they got the dough-re-mi, perhaps it makes 'em feel better at least. (Does too much loose money engender loose thinking skills?)

If I had an "extra" 40 grand [of pocket change] laying around, I wouldn't be stuffing it into some politician's war chest. Talk about your basic waste of capital!

I agree with you on many points in your entertaining blog James, but I keep hearing that we're going to crash going to crash going to crash and it keeps not happening at least (thank God) not in a dramatic way. Aren't we already playing our new hand of hamburger flipping jobs?......

This is it.

Bustin sez:
"Yes, amazing how discussions on how to save the environment end up as discussions on how to save the economy."

The themes are [to my mind] in direct opposition.
Who is it that keeps changing the subject or equating the two? Who benefits from this false conjunction?

If the "folks" don't start learning to read between the lines, they ain't gonna make it.
Can we say, "duuuuh", while drooling? I knew we could! ;o)

What is to be done, young Sheeple? Take the C train.

C is for Canada, as in civilized country. Whoops. Don't think they will let you in, because somebody from China or Cambodia has already been admitted and they are twice as educated and twice as smart as you are. And those nice polite Canadians don't really like being treated as a colony for all these years---.

C is for Costa Rico. Plenty of jobs as real estate salesperson selling retirement homes to other Gringos. What's that? You say gringos can no longer afford to retire because they have to defend their shopping cart space under a freeway overpass?

C is for Columbia. Now you are getting warmer. Actually if you are referring to the women the word is HOT! You did take Spanish in college? Because nobody will give a shit about the other worthless crap you studied for a degree. You just might find yourself living in a country that looks with pity upon the third world conditions in the dying empire to the north in a few decades.

C is for Chile. Prefer great wine to hot women? Want to live in a country that already is nipping at the heels of the USA for quality of life, and is not groaning under the burden of supporting a worldwide imperial army?

Go South, young Man! And leave your student loan shackles behind.

"There are solutions but these solutions oppose contemporary western values."

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/overwhelm.asp

"contemporary values" = there's the rub... Who is responsible for these "contemporary values"?

Further into the abyss, we hear the tolling of a lone bell in the far distance and a indistinct wail for self-realized life...

"The pervasive false consciousness, engendered by the atomized, artificial nature of existence within the corporate/consumer state -- e.g., the Media Age usurping of the innate longings of the human heart by transmuting desire into consumer craving -- has not only left consumerist true believers bereft of the ability to honestly process information -- but has rendered all too many unable to locate the source of their own suffering." -Phil Rockstroh

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31037.htm

Take heed, our enemies are well-ensconced in our very consciousness. The very best position for a predatory disease that wishes to retain both vampiric control and anonymity.

"an" indistinct (etc.)

glad your world is always getting better...but-- when western civ falls...

wake up, western civ already fell and recovered nicely and has progressed non-stop ever since.

we meet every challenge - food production, illness, transportation, energy, pollution, education.

we are not going back, not going to collapse. we will simply adjust to any setbacks and find alternate ways to achieve abundance.

...and the cfn'ers will be crying doom on their iphone27s from their hyper energy-efficient houses that consume 3% of today's houses...

think that's a dream...in denmark they have houses that produce more energy than they consume, employing a mix of natural/technological methods.

you ain't seen nothing yet.


CFN reminds me of the Patent Office director in 1898 who said the Office should be closed because everything had already been invented...


what a laffable lot you are!

peace peaceniks

Welles, Yes , the biggest adjustments will be to live within our means and to reduce the dependance on credit. These adjustments will be made, economies of scale will be created and co2 levels will eventually level off. In 20 years most folks will be driving electric cars. That's the future i envision. I'm so encouraged to see the urban agriculture movement take off.

"wake up, western civ already fell and recovered nicely and has progressed non-stop ever since." -welles

And an electric personal transport vehicle for all, as well! Coooool! (BTW, what were we going to make those roads out of anyway?)

I suppose this is why the Dept. of Fatherland S'kur'dy has just ordered 450 million rounds of .40 cal. hollow-point ammo. It's to welcome in the new age of reason and enlightenment! Good to know there, welles; thanks.

You missed my point entirely.
Dementia must be a terrible disease with which to cope.
"sarcasm on,sarcasm off." please....

Hi Q,

I found something from the front page of today's "San Jose Mercury News" that I know you will appreciate. The headline reads, "Sometimes, an F really is better than a D"

"Prechous Hodges wants her F back. And that's just one of the twists in the bizarre grade saga enveloping Antioch's Dozier-Libbey Medical High School, where some parents complained that the school's rigorous grading system pushed their stressed-out kids to the point of depression and the school district responded by changing dozens of F's handed out the past for years to D's.

Now, some students are saying the passing grades are actually hindering their college plans, and teachers believe the policy change has some students trying to fail classes."

The article goes on to say that they prefer an "F" because then they can take the class over again in the summer and get a good grade. Does this make sense?

Jen

P.S. There is a picture of Prechous on the front page. Do you want to guess her ethnicity?

At JCs some dont want a 'D'. Something about if you want to retake a class you need an 'F'?

Thomas Sowell talks about a judge who made a ruling in favor of a pest, that he be allowed to use library / harrass people.
Clinton promoted the judge. Sowell calls it vagrant
[his term] v. 'homeless' [this homeless guy inherited "beaucoup" bucks.

Here in El Lay there are [and these may be elsewhere as well]Biodiesel Limos so folks can go to the Academy Awards in a big but green way!

Did Bono get to build his series of houses on the Malibu mountain? I hope not.

Does this make sense?
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Yo Jen, I agree with your rhetorical question that (on the surface) it really sounds nuts but after much googling I was able to locate the article and now understand the logic of these kids preferring the F grade.

The photo you mentioned was of a 16 year old somewhat overweight black girl who might possibly pass for 34.

Below is a link for anyone who cares to read about a school changing its grading policy and touching off unintended consequences.

A question: How is the name Prechous pronounced? Precious? Preck-oose? Where DO they get these names?!

http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_20367786/grading-at-new-antioch-magnet-high-school-has

"Susan Sarandon will be there, along with Sean Penn and Ed Begley. 150 STARS in all turning out."

"The operatives of the One Percent (the shapers of cultural awareness) are dream twisters…usurpers of yearning. They are well aware that the heart's language is expressed in the lexicon of transformation…of the deep-dwelling human longing to find the sublime in quotidian experience…a mode of being we term freedom i.e., a desire to have one's unique character forged by one's choices in life, as one negotiates the happenstance of unfolding fate."

Phil Rockstroh

And to echo Ozone, another sustainable dog:

"Supposedly informed folk would turn to the business-as-usual system to fix a problem that's clearly caused by business-as-usual."

K-dog for president, spread the word. Write me in. Let me be the next Guy Fawkes.

Hey antisoak out in LA do you ever see any of these hypocritical f----rs cruising around town (in their Bentleys)?

Also, its not 'Bono', its 'Saint Bono'.

--WSP7

Innumerable voices have been asserting for some time now that human society is passing through a crisis, that its stability has been gravely shattered. It is characteristic of such a situation that individuals feel indifferent or even hostile toward the group, small or large, to which they belong. In order to illustrate my meaning, let me record here a personal experience. I recently discussed with an intelligent and well-disposed man the threat of another war, which in my opinion would seriously endanger the existence of mankind, and I remarked that only a supra-national organization would offer protection from that danger. Thereupon my visitor, very calmly and coolly, said to me: “Why are you so deeply opposed to the disappearance of the human race?”

Why Socialism?

No, when he looks in the mirror it is Saint Bono.

Saint Bono in rose colored glasses.

Our school simply doesn't have summer school due to budget cuts. If you want to turn an "F" into a better grade, you have to retake the class at a private school that offers summer school at a price, or take the class via BYU, at a cost of $150. The BYU finals are proctered at a local school/community college. The proctors have to pass some kind of BYU qualification and have to carefully monitor the test taker to make sure they don't cheat. Some kids at our local high school take BYU classes to enhance their transcript.

Thomas Sowell talks about a judge who made a ruling in favor of a pest,
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I remember the case from several years ago. For awhile it was a cause celebre. The pest was a guy, very much looking like a vagrant (scruffy beard, etc.) but not actually poor (if I remember correctly) who was perpetually filthy and stunk (stank?) to high heaven. He liked to hang out at the Public Library and made it unbearable for other patrons accustomed to a higher level of hygiene and a suit was brought to ban him. The filthy pest won.

I wonder how many of You see yourselves as Guy Fawkes wantabees? There is tons of hypocrisy of all sides of the political spectrum, live with it.

And an electric personal transport vehicle for all, as well! Coooool! (BTW, what were we going to make those roads out of anyway?)

the luddites here never cease to amaze me.

ever heard of concrete roads? they last 10 times longer than asphalt. sure they're more expensive.
so find a way to produce them more cheaply.
or develop another material.

plus, millions of folks are not using roads nearly as much since they work at home. i've worked at home 100% since 2010.

and who said a vehicle for ALL, besides your negative nabob imaginings? every heard of public transport?

in germany they give you a 50% tax rebate for buying an electric vehicle.

these are not perfect solutions. note that they are provisional solutions though.

peace peaceniks

You are our man on the ground as to what Latinos are thinking. What are they thinking about the persecution of Zimmerman?

The Bell Curve? It is my pillow at night. This is the best way to learn any text. And oh what dreams have come!

Energy consumption is the biggest environmental concern with cement and concrete production. Cement production is one of the most energy intensive of all industrial manufacturing processes. Including direct fuel use for mining and transporting raw materials, cement production takes about six million Btus for every ton of cement

Dickweed

Samuel Huntington called Latin America a distinct civilization from Western Civilization. It's debatable, but let's say that the Western Element is weak in most places. It's is a function of the percentagle of White. So if you value all that high tech, have kids with a White Woman. Put your pennis where your mouth is.

Too bad about the Amazon Forest though....guess that has to go.

Read Ursuala LeGuin's "The Word for World is Forest".

Yes! Let's all attack him like a pack! Tear him apart and then feast.

"millions of folks are not using roads nearly as much since they work at home."

Millions? I personally only know of two.

There is a time for peace and a time for war. The latter now. Defend yourself!

I don't get along with these other dogs, but when the wolf appears, dogs forget their quarrels. Aesop, a Black perhaps.

No, probably just another idiot.

You lie: you say you are going to Pinsk because you want me to think you are going to Minsk - but I know you are actually going to Pinsk.

You're a raciss if you think Aesop was a White Idiot and not a Black one.

I think his fables are full of commonsense, which is far from common it seems.

No, it is you War, who does not understand. Asoka has an incredible lust for rehashing drama from the supposedly terrible treatment of all blacks by all whites in the distant past. When he doesn't get his weekly dose of righteous indignation, he must invent one. You fell into his trap.
P.S. He probably even thinks Zimmerman is guilty! ;0

Yes, he might have been the first. But there was a long gap (I think) between him and the begining of the craze. Someone(s) else got it rolling. Maybe Cummings was the original inspiration though.

Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of smaller ones. The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society. This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature. The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population. Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education). It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights.

Albert Einstein 1949

Why does it matter what color an idiot is? If it walks and quacks like a duck it is a fucking duck.

P.S. He probably even thinks Zimmerman is guilty!

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Zimmerman is guilty of murdering an unarmed person.

You probably think O.J. Simpson is guilty, even after they found the guy who really committed that murder.

O.J. Is Innocent and I Can Prove It

All those years you were convinced O.J. was guilty of murder and "got away with it."

Eventually the truth comes out. O.J. was innocent.

Rush just said Eric Holder called Al Sharpton this morning and thanked him for his work on the Treyvon Martin case. There you have it folks - the Administration wants race war.

As soon as Obama was elected Black Pundits and Ministers acrosss the Country assured each other that nothing had changed. The Game was still On. Why wouldn't they? To actually admit that the Great Work was over would mean giving up countless benefits and jobs. Such nobility is rare in any Race and almost nonexistent in Blacks. No, it will never end until We end it. As Theordore Bilbo said, the ultimate goal of Civil Rights is to make Whites slaves and Blacks their Masters.

What big teeth you have. Nice doggy. Why is Aesop an idiot btw?

Really, you were there? Did you take an I-phone video so I can make an informed decision like you? Because being thousands of miles away I can't make one, not being there and all.

I'm not going to get sucked into your fables.

I don't own an iPhone. Sorry. I had to rely on police video and police reports. The murder victim was unarmed (he had a bag of Skittles), was attacked, screamed for help (voice analysis proof) and murdered. The murderer was not arrested. Care to contest any of those facts. Eyewitness is all you accept as evidence?

LOL! Vlad you don't know you already been sucked into a race war fable that you've been propagating for years.

I'm going to feed your fable now: you whites are a minority (a plague on humanity). You are on your way out and there is no way to stop it.

Miscegenation rules!

yep, every advance and all you see is problems...so what if it takes a lot of energy to produce cement...read the WHOLE post before you excoriate others....i said we can find/invent ways to make cement production cheaper etc.

did it always take 6,000,000 btus to make a ton of cement/concrete? or has the process NEVER CHANGED and GOTTEN MORE EFFICIENT?

do you know that gigantic vessels are pulled out from the harbour to the ocean in germany/holland using SAILS that catch the wind?

this saves ENORMOUS amounts of fuel. and produces NO POLLUTION.

it's called PROGRESS and FINDING SOLUTIONS.

we don't need throwbacks who only see problems everywhere they look.

heating your house takes enormous amounts of energy. are you going to freeze, or find a solution?

peace peaceniks

have kids with a White Woman. Put your pennis where your mouth is.
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Would it be OK instead if I put my penis where her mouth is?
;o)

In Asoka's world view, there is no need for trial by jury. Asoka has declared Zimmerman guilty, so guilty he must be. Somewhere in Equador they are building Asokaland, where rides can take you back to the Jim Crow Era, every black person ever committed for a crime is set free, and whites are lynched for things that happened to black people 150 years ago.

The latest piece of crap about how O.J. didn't do it is written by a guy who has figured out a way to make 20 bucks a copy for writing fiction. Any guess as to who will be the first in line to buy it? Hint: it won't be me.

Hey WSP, I thought Clooney's place was up on Lake Como, in the southern Alps, that would be mine and the old ladies stompin' grounds. My family is from Caspano, in the hills north of Milan.

Perhaps one of the most beautiful places on Earth;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Como

Where is shooter George Zimmerman?

Zimmerman’s lawyers held a news conference yesterday to say that they had lost contact with their client, and that they would no longer be representing him.

If you are guilty, you run.

Asokaland is a wonderful place. You should visit sometime.

BTW, it is Ecuador, not Equador. It is Colombia, not Columbia. Stupid Americans.

Sure Q, that would be OK, ;o)

"you whites are a minority (a plague on humanity)." - Asoka

More racist hate mongering from Asoka.

Go fucking away Asoka. Far away. Away from people.

He sure do show the right side of his face, don't he?

Who U be callin' stuppit Willis? Columbia bikes were made in MA. since 1877! So There!

Thank God for Obama's Affordable Care Act. Starting in 2014, Obama's health care law requires most Americans to obtain health insurance, either through an employer, a government program, or by buying their own policies. In return, insurance companies would be prohibited from turning away the sick. Government would subsidize premiums for millions now uninsured. Thank God for Big Government.

It's about time people take responsibility, and the only way it will get done is if government requires people to do it.

Of course, the law only requires people to purchase the minimum low monthly premium for a bronze plan, making it easier to budget for.

Thank God for the Harry Reid Democrats, the Hollywood Crowd, the Far Left Juggernaut, the Occupy Wall Street Bunch, etc. God loves them.

Is the Justice Department, among others, behind the charges now being brought against Zimmerman?

How about $25,000 bounties, dead or alive, on Al Sharpton and those black panthers?

Few people are aware of this, but Johnny Cochran's original defense for O.J. was that Nicole Brown had a yeast infection and his client was simply trying to cut it out of her ;)

Do you write to Orenthal in prison? Do you start with, "Dear Juice"?

Most Blacks believe he did it btw. They just want to stick it to Whites. That's Black Justice - and what we can expect when and where Blacks are the majority.

Truth hurt, do it?

Most of the 20th century violence (millions were killed) was mostly whites killing whites.

You whites so violent, you in charge of your own genocide. No too smart.

"Government would subsidize premiums for millions now uninsured. Thank God for Big Government.

It's about time people take responsibility, and the only way it will get done is if government requires people to do it."

And in Asokaland, pink and white unicorns crap out pastel colored skittles. Just where the gubmin gets its money is a mystery to me!

Just where the gubmin gets its money is a mystery to me!

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You not too smart. I got it figured out.

And in Asokaland, the gubmint provides everyone with his or her own mud hut. "Free" of course! Ya see, the gubmint be rich and they can afford it!

You don't know where her mouth has been. All you know is what comes out of it. As C.S Lewis said to a woman who complained that her husband didn't listen to her, "Who could listen to all of that"?

Why do you use a semicolon and not a colon in your schmile? Are you winking at me you queer?

How about $25,000 bounties, dead or alive, on Al Sharpton and those black panthers?

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Ummm, they didn't kill anybody. I'm adding you to the growing list of stupid people today.

Dirt is free. You stupid.

I got a smart list, too.

Welles, Crazy Horse, Dee Jones, and anybody else smart enough to leave the USA while they can is on the smart list.

But why would "smart" people be leaving the USA just when the government was going to hand out all of these great "bennies"?

That you don't know is more proof you stupid.

CORRECTION

That you don't know is more proof you stupid.

May God have mercy.

Buck,
Thank you for another link. Arts & Labor folks are dealing with age old story.
I always remember, “for my selfish reasons”, drunken sculptor’s rant to architect Roark in Ayn Rand’s “Fountainhead” how he is “supposed to” hire an artist.
In the world where all values are upside down it is not uncommon that army of designers and artesian craftsmen make some home to shine. Same home on the market will have bimbo realtor “working hard” stumbling over the front lawn in her high heels to post her sign and giving “real professional advices” like: “Bake some cookies…” Her commission, or his, when former beach bum is a realtor, easily passes, if not multiple fold, of each Arts & Labor individual.

As for the current blog, same upside down values and greed allowed to go wild in some industries makes, I guess, that medical profession from Jim’s previous posts and now education is no different and revolves around some kind of scam.

So I take it you believe is sustainable economic growth and that technical solutions can be found for all our problems?

A simple yes or no will do.

Paying attention to Ann Rand is your first mistake.

So I take it you believe in sustainable economic growth and that technical solutions can be found for all our problems?

Thank God for Big Government... the only way it will get done is if government requires people to do it... Thank God for the Harry Reid Democrats, the Hollywood Crowd, the Far Left Juggernaut, the Occupy Wall Street Bunch, etc. God loves them.
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Ahh Wednesday, Asoka's favorite day to stirrr the pot. Beside the above (praise for Big Govt) his other can't-miss shtick is to speak Ebonics as in "Truth hurt, do it?"

What a hater & race card thrower. New country not doing much to increase a positive frame of mind?

Yes, and he's also a coward. He chants Kumbaya and talks about unity and all that, but when challenged, his true self emerges. In one breath he'll champion Obama and the new direction he's taking our country in and in the next he writes how he's moving to South America before TSHTF. Classic!

My favorite recurring meme of his (which reflects just how f'd up he is) is how people need to take responsibility for themselves and how the GOVERNMENT is just the party to make (READ FORCE) them to do it. The Federal government as a nanny state exists because people people pay taxes to cover its costs.

Constitutionally, the Federal government cannot FORCE a citizen to pay for insurance. It can be argued that the state has this power, because most states I'm aware of mandate that you have insurance to own/operate a car.

But, whatever. It's just so much fun to see him expose himself as the fraud that he is.

Hey K-Dog! How's the campaign going? These are your constituents! I would rather shoot off one of my toes!

btw, I think that Zimmerman is going to be (rightfully) charged with murder today. I just like to push our boy, Asoka's buttons.

In practice what will happen, as it becomes clear that peak oil is a reality, the rich and powerful will grab as much as they can, and not worry much about the poor and the weak. ... people are going to do bad things to each other.

An interview with Dennis Meadows

Long ago when all 3 of us had different 'handles'
you noted Jaygo /VK gave no details of his life.
At OccidentalObserver one Vlad Speaks says:
'I own and run a business and do the book keeping'.

Yeah the campaign. I'm finding awareness raising to be hard work so I continue to look for a paid gig. An obvious effect of the campaign has been to increase my own awareness of our global predicament and my awareness of the many others who have paved the way before me. Unfortunately this awareness pushes me further and further from contemporary ways of thinking which it turns out is the real problem.

The widespread and horribly misplaced faith in globalized capitalism and the 'growth economy' is almost certain to bring on a new dark age from which mankind can not recover. Die back will be immense as human philosophies and worldviews are unable to change fast enough to prevent or mitigate the coming crash.

A turkey thinks everything is fine the days and weeks before thanksgiving and is blithely unaware of its inevitable fate. So it is true of humans, most of us are turkeys.

And for those of you who know what is coming: Sitting on your ass and not doing anything about it makes you no better than turkeys.

We need an occupy the white house lawn movement.

I should get busy and write the sustainability manifesto. But so many ideas, so little time. I wish I had help.

K-dog for president.

Hey Ozone the Fireplace Cafe is closing on April 29.

Been open since 1946, only two owners.

--WSP7

My favorite part of the interview with Dennis Meadows was when he spoke about how he addresses state officials concerning the New Hampshire oil problem; "I’m not going to communicate anything to them. So you need first that they are concerned about the problem, so that they are open at least to thinking about it."
Looks like the scientists are getting tired of beating their head on the wall.

So if'n yous'a gunna reply to yerself, you should at least create anothah login account...

Liek *DIS*!

Hahah! Welles jumped the US ship, when he wouldn't pay his $10k in backtaxes. He should be subscribing (*PRESCRIBING* lulz) to one of those woodworks schemerz, who will "get him off" with a partial payment in the neighborhood of 10 cents on the *DOLLAH* [GL w/ dat]!!!

If I'd played it smart liek welles the past 2 years' tax filings, I could have run with ~$8k... Bwahaha!!! Too late, already *PAID IN FULL*...

"...the rich and powerful will grab as much as they can, and not worry much about the poor and the weak. ..." -k-9-

K, it has always been the nature of the rich to grab as much as they can. We in the US just had SO MUCH from which the rich could grab - that their depredations were hard to spot. Until, that is, some threshold was breached after patriotism died down after WWII.

It could have happened when Kennedy oversaw cutting marginal tax rates from 90% to 70%.
It picked up lots of speed during the decade of "greed is good," when marginal tax rates on the "super rich" were cut WAY too far. (St. Reagan of the Right was in charge then - but he's been Officially Canonized to the point that there is no longer anything to be gained by mentioning this.)

Somewhere along the way, the most regressive tax of all (Social Security and Medicare) for a self-employed middle class person was raised up to 15.3%. (temporarily it is at 12.6%)

There have been places along the way where disaster might have been more easily averted.

But now, the die appears to be cast.
Buckle up, CF'ers -
It's going to be a long, rough ride.


Menopause. Or PMS. Gots to blame it on something ... but not on white privilege, no siree.

But, whatever. It's just so much fun to see him expose himself as the fraud that he is.

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Hey, that's what I'm here for, to entertain you. Glad you are having fun, and I am having success.

I just like to push our boy, Asoka's buttons.

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Boy, you are pushing them. Good for you.

Until, that is, some threshold was breached after patriotism died down after WWII.

So, the answer is patriotism?

Rah, rah, sis boom bah! USA! USA! #1

Except in infant mortality, education, etc.

Meow.

"What a hater & race card thrower."
-jonathanss, to asoka-

That's asoka, all right. It took me over a year posting to CFN to realize the depth of hate that asoka. manifests.

And the article that he linked today
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/01/the-end-of-white-america/7208/ The article drips with a saccharine worship of "multi-culturalism," made possible by an unacknowledged (by the author) flood of money and immigrants into the US. A flood that will ebb, is ebbing, as inevitably as fossil fuel use is ebbing.

Look to the comment section of the article, if you want to see HATE for whites. I wonder if asoka is one or more of the commentators - perhaps the most hateful of them.

Despite the snarkiness of the author, and the hate of the comments section - there are some interesting ideas, if you dig them out:

"...it’s possible to imagine white identity politics growing more potent and more forthright in its racial identifications in the future, as “the real America” becomes an ever-smaller portion of, well, the real America, and as the soon-to-be white minority’s sense of being besieged...." -Hua Hsu-

Vlad, I do believe that Mr. Hsu is playing one of your very favorite songs.

Buckle up, CF'ers.
It's going to be a long, rough ride.

"It took me over a year posting to CFN to realize" his *multitudes*! DID? MPD? I believe he just "meow"'d his alter-sock-puppet welles, right there above yours...

What to say, really. Romney pumpin', they'll (the MSM) mantra-repeat his name to the ultra extreme, to insure the MINDLESS actually vote for him (and that's how it *WORKS* - and it really works).

Oh, *6-fig-salaried-stalkas*? Yeah, mostly pentagon *acronym* boys, and the local *badges* (we don't need no stinkin' badges - says Zimmer)...

Oh, yeah, and FWIW, Dylan Ratigan today whuz crackin' me *HARDCORE*, during that "NEW YORK WINS" interview...

James:
Every once and a while I look at your Eyesore of the Month postings in the hope of seeing something worse than I encounter every day. But no-- every new building designed by a contemporary architect who crawled out of the pit where such creatures are birthed looks like a visual abortion.

As a friend once said while we were driving past a 16th century village in the Black Forest: You know, the great thing about the USA is that you could drop an atomic bomb on most cities and destroy nothing of artistic value.

OMG! Best *TWEET* of the day:

"RT@KimberlyArtist: So it's not REALLY of the people,///it's of the $ of 200 ppl and the candidates of 10 percent of the ppl"

And what is Balkan's second mistake?

I'm pretty sure Balkan knows quite a bit more about the art/craft/fine-home dynamic that you do. Furthermore, what in Balkan's post was a Randian economic endorsement?

If it's that the creators and innovators deserve a better seat at the economic table than the vampire middle man in quest of a commission then I bow down to Rand on this count.

To my eyes, your post was fashionably anti-Rand

Every once and a while...
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Crazy, the expression is "Every once in a while..."

Then my work here, gentlemen, is done.

"a new sign was put up which read NO STANDING, APRIL 1 - SEPT 30"

Cars don't "STAND" on 2 wheels - they sit/rest on all 4. Well, they rarely do - I've seen a few of those old '67-'71 challengers/chargers pull wheelies for a half block or so...

"As we used to say in the Air Force: "Close enough for government work.""

Wrong, sir - *WRONG*. It has always been, "Good enough for Govt work." I heard this from the senile employees (most with 20+ years under their belts) at the Naval Research Academy in the late 80's, every hour or so, for weeks on end (dead wood/weight)...

Maybe you're thinking of, "Close enough for Corp work?"

you are so misinformed. there is no reason to leave the US if you owe taxes. it is not illegal to owe taxes.

it is somewhat illegal not to file your return.

btw the irs commonly accepts 10c on the dollar or less, depends on various factors.

peace peaceniks

Haha! That's, "Right as *RAINED*!"

OOPS! (So if'n yous'a gunna reply to yerself)...

"I can't imagine what a thing like this must cost."

I can't imagine they even managed to capture 5% of the runoff. Maybe they got lucky, and torched a good 30% or so, by *BURNING* it "in-place"...

I know - I'll get on subject now, and *regurgitate*.

It cost me $3,200 per year at U of I (U/C) in the late 80's, being an in-state student in the field of engineering.

Today, ~20 years later, it costs $20,000+ per year for the SAME EXACT IN-STATE STUDENT IN ENGINEERING. And I can't imagine them getting an efficiency apartment for $200/month, like I had. Not to mention the 4x-5x food costs.

7x education costs in 20 years? That's a bit more than the advertized *INFLATION RATE*. That's more in-line with the HEALTH INSURANCE SCAM.

The Police fail Whites - again. Perhaps the Hell's Angels or Aryan Brotherhood can help? Hint to Prog: this is how and WHY the KKK came to be.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/04/police_to_white_victim_we_dont_mess_with_black_gang.html#ixzz1rgyaqnsn

In the Reconstruction South, there was no help for Southern Whites at either the State or the Federal level. The same conditions are now in existence.

If you are guilty, you run.
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Or if you have zero confidence in the "justice" system. Guilty or not, if it was me I would not stick around. Of-course, if I was an American, I would've long before renounced US citizenship.

It won't be paid back anyway...

Colombia is very much a beautiful land with wonderful people. stop there all the time during layovers flying to the US and back.

avianca airlines is very good.

i would highly recommend Colombia to americans. Colombians know how to live . You as americans don't know what you're losing because you live in an unhealthy US matrix.

The blind only see the darkness.


peace peaceniks

I wonder if asoka is one or more of the commentators - perhaps the most hateful of them.

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All your commentators are belong to me. Maybe I am all of the commentators, including the invention of P2C.

About your "hateful" comment: yawn.

You got all upset when I said I would pray for your wife's health. Your attitude has been one of rejection of even kind and human gestures.

Just remember P2C:

There is no limit to the number of people one can love.

Hey Welles, I'm thinkin' of blowin' this gararge soon. What's it like in SA. Expats and all. I am afraid to make the big move. Are gringos welcome?I don't know spanish or portugese? I've got dough so maybe I will be welcome. I don't want to be kidnapped. I guess I am just paranoid!Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Asoka., you have inspired more hate on this CFN blog than seems humanly possible. You glory in self-righteousness and preening pseudo-Buddhist bigotry. When this is pointed out to you, your response is to say,
"About your "hateful" comment: yawn."

MONTHS after the fact, you continue to pretend that you, an avowed Atheist, praying your fake Muslim prayers OVER MY EXPRESSED OBJECTIONS - for my Christian wife, was a "kind," "humanE?," gesture.

It's way past time to let that drop.

I've had a dislike of Rand long before it was fashionable, her elitism has always disgusted me. Now days it disgusts me more than ever as I learn how irrational the human mind truly is. You manifested Objectivist style by assuming there was a second mistake when actually I never said there was by the way.

I'm pretty sure Balkan knows quite a bit more about the art/craft/fine-home dynamic that I do. You could be right about that. Then again there is no evidence to make such a conclusion either way. Maybe Balkan knows more than I do maybe not, there is no evidence to go on.

If I could take back my one liner anti Rand comment I would. My dislike of Ayn set me off. Balkan's post and yours before it were both good I should have left it alone. I apologize if offense was taken.

I will take issue with your last post. My dislike of Rand is not fashionable, it is quite genuine. Rational self interest is a flawed idea.

Ix,

When I read the story of the unjust ticket and towing charge I too wondered why the sign said NO STANDING as opposed to NO PARKING. If you look up the word "stand" in a big thick dictionary you will be impressed with the number and shadings of meaning. My huge Random House Dictionary goes on for several columns in very fine print. I think the NYC signage people intend a meaning that includes but is more comprehensive than Parking such as not even pulling to the curb and stopping briefly with your engine running. Definition #44 in my Dictionary says: a cessation of motion; halt or stop. If you find this explanation unsatisfactory call Mayor Bloomberg.

Regarding Good vs Close enough for government work, do a Google search and you will see both versions as synonymous. In the Air Force I was an Accounting and Finance Officer at Duluth AF Base in the early '60s. There simply was no such thing as any account being left out-of-balance even by a penny. When, for example, a cashier (in the cashier's cage) was being relieved at lunchtime the cash and all receipts were counted. It all had to add up to the starting amount of $5,000. Sometimes it would be off a little and we would go nuts searching for the error. It was at these times we would say jokingly, "a buck thirty seven? Fuck it, close enough for government work." More often than not a transposition of numbers was the culprit. Dyslexic people should avoid accounting as a vocation.

I don't know Ayn personally so I can't say that I "dislike" her. And I worked in broadcasting long enough to know that the person you see in front of the camera is rarely an accurate representation. But, I think we can all agree on one thing about Ayn. What a suck-ass writer.

Are gringos welcome?I don't know spanish or portugese?... I guess I am just paranoid!Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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Don't do it Ripped. South Americans notoriously hate people who end one sentence and leave no space before beginning a new sentence. I thought this was common knowledge.
;o)

Asoka., you have inspired more hate on this CFN blog than seems humanly possible.

I am amazing, but I cannot take credit for the hate that comes from within you.

Take responsibility for your own feelings.

Nobody can make you hate. To love or hate is your choice.

There is no limit to the number of people you can love.

The Bankruptcy Reform Act of 2005 makes all college debt, including that issued by private lenders and purchased by Sallie Mae (almost all of it), non-dischargeable.

Previously, only federal college loans were non-dischargeable.

When this law was passed, lenders went completely insane making college loans for trade schools and for-profit diploma mills. Tuition started ratcheting up to even more insane levels. Private colleges now cost $34K to $44K in tuition alone, before books, room & board, use fees and other expenses.

When you enroll in any college or university now, even if you pay upfront and declare your intention of remaining debt free, a line of credit is automatically opened for you. It is a rare 18-year-old who can resist this causeless, seemingly "free" money.

I don't even want to imagine what would transpire if government-guaranteed mortgages or those purchased by the GSEs like Fannie and Freddie were made non-dischargeable. We'd blow up another bubble in a year that would double property 'values' over twice the 2006 peak. The rampant delinquency/default rates on FHA loans prove that neither the HUD nor the home-buying public has learned anything from the past 10 years.

I'd feel much better about our prospects of surviving the post-peak era with any degree of civilization if I saw any evidence that Americans, either our leaders or the public, had learned anything at all from the debt debacle. But it looks like we can't even learn the hard way.

Fair enough K-Dog; but I'm the last person you need to apologize to. I'm not a Rand fan myself, and not to speak for Balkan, but I immediately recognized the realtor scenario and lament.

As an aside, I just finished up a project for some folks with some very serious money. They want to do some more work but have a budget in mind that is set in stone for no reason that I can fathom other than that's just what they decided. I assume this because they just rented a house in California for the month that cost them 12 grand(the designer whispered this to me)and they frequently fly to Europe just to buy very expensive bottles of wine.

They live on a very remote mountaintop near Beaver Creek, Colorado and their front yard is graced by aspen trees that look to stretch at least 75 feet up in the air. Wildlife abounds and a morning walk means donning the snowshoes during the winter. Their drive-way is heated during the winter because who wants to waste time shoveling snow when fresh Colorado white-gold powder is beckoning from a world class ski slope just a stone's throw away.

Aye, it must be good to be The King.

ZIMMERMAN KILLED AN UNARMED BLACK MAN

The black man's cell phone records were not immediately checked. Investigators did not talk with key witnesses for more than a week.

While police conducted a criminal background check on the black man, as well as post-mortem drug and alcohol tests, Zimmerman was not subjected to similar tests.

It was learned later that Zimmerman was arrested in 2005 for assaulting a police officer.

"The blind only see the darkness." And the enlightened only see the sun.

In your world Welles, we would all live in harmony and have plenty for everyone. But the sad truth is that the Ruling Elite don't live in your world. They have their own plans for mankind. It involves strict controls on a much-lowered population. It's not about what mankind can or cannot do. It's about--does mankind have the power to overthrow the raving psychotics who are running this asylum? I say no. That's why the Brazilian auto plants will be silent once the radioactive missiles start to fly.

Your great advantage is that you live in a culture that relies on self-sufficiency to survive and you might not even go hungry when Americans are dying of starvation.

'Zimmerman was not subjected to similar tests.'
He displayed no signs of intoxication.
TM was a druggie.
And quite a writer:
"dick slipping out when you got her in doggy? Either u trying to long stroke wit a short dick or she need to arch that back" - Treyvon Martin. My, what a nice young man!
TM, suspended from high school THREE TIMES IN FIVE MONTHS for vandalism; drugs -and another suspension- the reason for which the Martin family is hiding from us?
Miami Dade doesn't suspend kids for tardiness or truancy

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/08/2738118_p2/what-trayvon-martins-social-media.html#storylink=cpy

AYN

Its like those at Atlantic who bemoan Trayvons killing, push multi-cult yet live where its all white, gated etc.

What such nitwits dont notice is we are not bringing in many Japanese and Australians.
We are bringing the 3rd world in, by the 10s of millions.
And when you bring that many in, we can only be
remade into a third world place.

Ill check yr link, thanks.

My, what a nice young man!

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So some cracker hacked his social media account and wrote lies. (you a puritan, anti-soak?)

“The persona you have online is not necessarily the same as the persona you have offline,” Lidsky said.

“It’s an artificial reality... It’s almost like make-believe.”

Thanks for the link, anti-soak. Zimmerman goin' down.

Thank God for Al Sharpton's activism in not letting this go away quietly like the cases of so many black men who are murdered with impunity.

Found this bit of truth in the article..
if ya wanna see funny go to TAKIMAG and see the comments [4000] on Derbys article 'the talk'.

'Not everyone was so enthused. Clinton’s remarks caught the attention of another anxious Buchanan—Pat Buchanan, the conservative thinker. Revisiting the president’s speech in his 2001 book, The Death of the West, Buchanan wrote: “Mr. Clinton assured us that it will be a better America when we are all minorities and realize true ‘diversity.’ Well, those students [at Portland State] are going to find out, for they will spend their golden years in a Third World America.”

Today, the arrival of what Buchanan derided as “Third World America” is all but inevitable.'

And This:
While Hua worships “urban” culture he teaches at an Ivy League girls college (urbane, not “urban”); why doesn’t he celebrate the death of Male Privilege? And as far as privilege goes, look at the demography of Ivy League schools:
30%-Asian;
35%-Jews;
15%-legacy;
20%-affirmative action Latinos & African-American, although most African-American slots are filled with Caribbean Blacks.
Since Hua Hsu makes his living off of ghetto “culture” he needs to re-tool and learn Spanglish and some narcocorridos if he wants to stay employable because Univisión has already surpassed BET and Méjicanos are displacing the African-Americans, sometimes by ethnic cleansing, from their “hoods”.
And the bottom 99% of African Americans are furious about illegal aliens taking their jobs, but nobody wants to hear their non-PC cries at Vassar.'

Lara wrote: "The Bankruptcy Reform Act of 2005 makes all college debt, including that issued by private lenders and purchased by Sallie Mae (almost all of it), non-dischargeable.

Previously, only federal college loans were non-dischargeable."

Doesn't the 13th Amendment to the U.S. Constition ban involuntary servitude? Good Lord!


Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.[2]

Gawd yr an evil troll.
'Cracker', 'Puritan'.

'Thanks for the link, anti-soak.'
Any time, you grime.

What about his [taken from some famous rappers]
handle ' nolimitniga'?
All the kool rappers he liked were ones who extol VIOLENCE, which presumably encouraged him to attack the brown skinned guy.

YOU ARE THE JACK ASS ENCOURAGING MILLIONS TO MOVE HERE YOU F'IN FOOL

You are funny, anti-soak, but out of place.

A misfit in Santa Monica.

Indeed, indeed. Books are 50 to 200$ each.

A line from Shakespere pops into my head: "Never a borrower or a lender be."

Kee-rist. Go now and never presume to correct anyone here again.

The line, from Shakespeare:

Neither a borrower nor a lender be,
For loan oft loses both itself and friend,
And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry.

Yes, by 'dislike' I refer to her philosophy which was foisted upon the world. Her philosophy is truly sociopathic. When I read her books or more correctly tried to read her books many years ago a set of clips to pin my eyes open Clockwork Orange style would have come in handy.

HERE, MY DEAR. FROM UNAMUSED:

Hey, thanks, George Zimmerman. Your decisive action undoubtedly saved you from serious injury and probably saved the citizens of Sanford, FL — be they Black, White, or “white” — from countless future burglaries, thefts, assaults, muggings, acts of vandalism, and other serious and petty crimes. You made the world a little brighter when you took Trayvon out of it.
http://unamusementpark.com/201...


You are never funny and sadly out of place on this site.

Kee-rist. Go now and never presume to correct anyone here again.
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Oops, brain fart... but close enough for government work.

"Their drive-way is heated during the winter because who wants to waste time shoveling snow."

Obscene, truly obscene. A coal fired driveway. The sense of entitlement of the rich is amazing. I finished 'Too Smart For Our Own Good Today' and when I did I walked down to my mailbox. A new book arrived right on time. 'The Spirit Level' Why Greater Equality Makes Societies Stronger I'm sure globally warmed driveways will not be among the recommendations.

As a kid I knew about electric blankets and suggested to my dad that electric wires be put into freeways to keep them clear of snow. He snorted and gruffly remarked that was a stupid idea because because we could never generate enough electricity to melt all the snow and if we could it would cost to much. I've reflected on the idea occasionally over the years and suspect his quick answer was because he had thought of the idea himself and dismissed it as ridiculous.

Foisted, indeed. Two of her wretched scribblings were compulsory reading when I was in high school. I remember telling the teacher of a literature class that I didn't understand how these books qualified. It was like reading antique comic books. She began appearing in public and showing up on TV more and more at that time. I was just a teenager but found it curious that people were paying attention to this person. Just bizarre, second rate writing I thought. I think about that now and really do wonder what it was really about.

"I think about that now and really do wonder what it was really about."

Simple answer really. She advocated unrestrained laissez-faire capitalism, the holy grail of contemporary economic thinking. Alan Greenspan used to hang out with her. Her writing supports the existing power structure. She was a corporate sociopaths wet dream.

There is Roger Fuckin' Federer

And There Is Alan Fuckin' Greenspan

Ripthun says "Perhaps one of the most beautiful places on Earth"

... is the place behind a 7-11, a little patch of asphalt, a high fence and some weeds. In a full moon it is glorious, and when the halogen overhead is on it is threatening. On a Sunday morning it is as quiet as a church. Birds visit. In the evening it is routinely invaded by quarrelling lovers, night shift managers, and teenagers. What is interesting about the world is that every corner is unique. By standardising each unique corner, the workers of the world erase it. Wherever a road is built, a house erected, or a building created, the world is rubbed out of existence. So we employ people to scrub the world, the keep nature from coming back in. We hope it covers our mistake, because as soon as nature makes a crack or drops a leaf on it, it becomes obvious how ugly it is.

Man is nature, but he scrubs himself, and by doing so makes himself look worse.

If there is a thing called 'resilience', the unwashed bum has it. Perhaps global warming will create the service economy he's been waiting for. He'll charge you a cigarette butt to join the circle at his tin stove. He won't recognise your offer of a turnip but he won't turn it down. As each day passes, you look worse and worse- but the bum looks the same. He laughs at you, at us all.

Asoka said "While police conducted a criminal background check on the black man, as well as post-mortem drug and alcohol tests, Zimmerman was not subjected to similar tests."

Perhaps Zimmerman didn't present any evidence that he was 'under the influence'. It doesn't matter now. There is no way to know whether Zimmerman was under the influence. Even if the test was administered based on suspicion that he was under the influence, it wouldn't be clear if it were a factor. Evidently none of the cops thought it was. There is an absence of evidence that he was intoxicated. For Trayvon, the tests established evidence of absence. If anything it is harder now for Zimmerman to make any case that Trayvon was under the influence.

The problem with drug testing is that can not implicate a person in a particular crime. All it can do is show that, at some time in the past, there were X and Y chemical in his body, which does not prove culpability.

Damn Bustin, that couple of paragraphs about that little patch of asphalt was pure poetry. You're one of the great reasons to keep reading this blog.

Are you a Narcissist? Take the Test and find out. I'm not: I scored a modest 12.

http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/narcissistic.htm


Even though I am hyper-sensitive to revealing personal shit online; I will say that I am familiar with the Sanford, FL area and most of Volusia County. That this shit is happening in that pocket of white-trashy humanity surprises me not one lil' bit. Y'all be sure and visit BORE lando.

I received a total score of 2 on the Narcissist test.

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THA APE HAS SPOKEN ONCE AGAIN

From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177834

and

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THE APE HAS SPOKEN ONCE AGAIN

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  Be able to use the fire is an important turning point in human evolution. Archaeological discovery the earliest evidence of fire in the course of human evolution in Israel, about 70-80 million years ago. The archaeological discoveries of the scientists in South Africa show that human ancestors in the earlier period of Homo erectus (dating back 1.8 million -20 years) will be used to fire. Bridal gowns
 

WSP,
The "end of an era" to be sure.

Also, Tucker's has again been abandoned; they didn't even make it 2 years. I think the deed-holders reside in Avon.
(BTW, I sure wouldn't try and make a go of a drinking establishment under somebody else's [fiscal] thumb. There's another place here where the owners have been touting the same racket for over a year in the listings; "we own, you lease". So far, no flinty, local Yankees are taking the bait. Good, let the get-rich-quick twist.)

So, in a year's time, 3 lowly shot-n-beer joints go down. If ever there were an indicator of hard times, there ya be. If working men and women can't afford a couple pops outside of home... well, YOU guess what's going on out here in the trenches. Outrage [in all its' permutations] is about to manifest itself. Kids, on up to boomers, are going to find that a cornucopian hope ain't gonna pay the bills, feed the family, or keep a reliable roof. This is why I detest "somebody will fix it" thinking. A giant pile of predicaments is NOW and their outcomes demand being dealt with, and future predictions of technological wonderment requires WHEREWITHAL that just is not existing.

Again, just why did the DHS just order 450 MILLION rounds of .40 ammo? Solely to keep tuned up on the range? I don't think so. There's a light at the end of the tunnel and it's an oncoming train.

Dreams for the future are all well and good, but you can't live in them. Wake the fuck UP.

X,
You were actually REQUIRED to read that pulp??
Pretty amazing; if I want to read pulp crap, I'll choose my own, thanks much...

Do you think the lit. teacher was trying to awaken some kind of social awareness, or thought it to be a philosophical masterwork?

Rand was a purveyor of a banal evil. Perhaps all that exposure at the time was purposefully designed to get us all "accustomed" to these despicable predators being in our midst.

Here's a perspective on Unca Friedman's (The Chicago School) muse:

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2009/11/how_ayn_rand_became_an_american_icon.html

On wandering away from home:
I dunno how you like living with bars on doors and windows, and concrete walls topped with busted bottles, but I don't care for it. If you should have any stuff of value, it will be a target for theft. If ya got nuthin' and you're cool with a bit of pilfering, go on ahead. (Just keep in mind it's endemic and pretty much expected.)

Establishing a new social circle takes trust, time and effort; and a social circle that doesn't include local "regular folks" (rather than just the oligarchs) is worth nothing. Those are the folks who will support each other and know how to work together, the rich and powerful are constantly and feverishly engaged in retaining their status through any means necessary. Plus, if you're hanging with only ex-pats, you know you've obviously failed to integrate, which can lead to a lot of bitterness and unjustified spite towards the locals. Believe me, I've seen it firsthand.

That was a great article.

Now isn't that what I was saying, disgusting elitism.

As an adult my objections to her are now more solid than when I was young but I recall my initial reaction to her superior intellectual supermen class of rulers. I knew then that to be truly great, humility and compassion must be combined with superior talent.

I found this paragraph explains her popularity rather well, she resonates with contemporary mores.

She said the United States should be a "democracy of superiors only," with superiority defined by being rich. Well, we got it. As the health care crisis has shown, today, the rich have the real power: The vote that matters is expressed with a checkbook and a lobbyist. We get to vote only for the candidates they have pre-funded and receive the legislation they have preapproved. It's useful—if daunting—to know that there is a substantial slice of the American public who believe this is not a problem to be put right, but morally admirable.

Currently quObama pushes for a higher tax for the richest Americans. In the good-cop bad-cop game of politics with an election approaching, he pretends to be our friend. And why not. The approach worked for him before when he promised change we can believe in.

QuoBama is the poster child of the pre-funded and pre-approved. His ruse will probably work for him. Most people won't be wanting Romney the Romulan and wishful thinking has made the public attention span as short as a chimps.

Unless!!!! K-dog becomes top dog.

OzP, so Tuckers is gone, too? Only stopped there a few times (on your recommendation). Seemed like a cool place. That's not a good thing for Roosterville or surrounding environs. There isn't much else in Roosterville to pick up the slack!

What do you all make of this Natural Gas glut and the extremely low price natural gas now commands. Its a big topic on CNBC and also in the Journal and IBD. T Boone Pickens is on TV all the time touting natural gas as a putative replacement for oil and recommends everything from large trucks to home heating be switched over immediately. Could JHK have been wrong about natural gas nearing depletion in the US, as he claimed in TLE? Or is it just another bubble? (no pun intended)

--WSP7

That's why the Brazilian auto plants will be silent once the radioactive missiles start to fly

this post is so filled with hyperbole.

'americans dying of starvation'

the Elite will institute 'a much-lowered population'.


plus the 'radioactive missiles flying'


Where do you see massive population die-off happening?

When, in the 60 years of atomic weapons, have radioactive missiles been flying around?

When has the slightest hint of famine ever struck the U.S.?


It is just sick how negative you people are, I could should you a yellow-brick road made of gold and you'd only see the one little pebble on it - and claim it's a Sisyphean boulder.

You're all about the dire, yet everywhere there's abundance.

Your predictions are as accurate as the Mayan calendar 'predicting' the end of the world in December of this year.

Would you like to make a bet on that one?

peace peaceniks

Hey Welles, I have Columbian friends here who couldn't wait to get the hell out of that place. They don't even go back to visit, claiming too much violence and corruption. Quite the opposite of what you are saying.

--WSP7

what do you mean the world isn't going to end this coming December?

JHK has said the price would be highly volatile. The momentum of fracking leads to gluts followed by shortages as production lags market demands. Fracking is complicated and this complexity makes it hard to sync production with demand. Perhaps it is nothing more than lowered demand due to the dawn of springtime weather and therefore less home heating.

To answer the question well I would need to listen to this podcast again, it has been a while.

KunstlerCast #192: Arthur E. Berman, Petroleum Geologist

I recall an insightful comment on the subject in there somewhere.

K,
Reading Ayn does not make me her promoter same as the “Capital” on my book shelve does not make me a Marxist.
You missed me quoting her favorite phrase “For my own selfish reasons”- the way that I cherry picked passages that I can relate to.
If not familiar with the instance in her book that I pointed to it goes like this:
Beaten down talented sculptor was absolutely shocked that famous architect came to his door and outright offered him a commission. He went into drunken rage, something like this:
“Let me tell you HOW you hire an artist. First you promise him a job, than you do not return his calls for months. After finally agreeing on appointment you make him wait for an hour…and-on-and-on”. He still got the job.
Her black and white characterization of her subjects tend to be little cartoonish. World would have been interesting place if her Demi-God like, highly ethical “movers” are real, but they are in stark contrast with the Shorpy B&W images (Courtesy of TEA blog site) documenting how “old money” was made. Even today we know, sadly, that already great profits can be even higher by paying some overworked souls 17.85 cents per hour instead of 18.

As for your later comments, particular knowledge in some field it is irrelevant to compare time and energy spent, that of a realtor and the people involved in creating “her” or “his” product for sale.

Yes, 'twas a cool place, what with the multiple horseshoe pits and all. Well, it still EXISTS, but ownership obviously needs to be wrested from those that now hold it. Can you imagine "renting" a bar? That just doesn't make economic sense, what with all the other stacks of expenses.

I SUSPECT that T. Boone (et al.) are attempting to blow the next bubble (read: giant swindle) and gather in the rubes for another fleecing. But, I'm not an insider, so I wouldn't make book on it.
Ask Kyoo (although I'm not sure he'd give you the straight dope if there were $ in it for him. ;o)

BTW, the last of that screeching screed wasn't directed at you, personally, but the collective "you" of the blinkered cornucopians. Sorry for jumping the border of focused ranting there! (You work at a 'paper for cris'sakeS, so I know you're better informed than most Idol worshipers.)

this post is so filled with hyperbole.

'americans dying of starvation'
In 2010, 48.8 million Americans lived in food insecure households, 32.6 million adults and 16.2 million children.

'Where do you see massive population die-off happening?'
In all industrialized countries. As soon as petroleum supplies fail modern agriculture which is totally dependent upon fossil fuel for its operation also fails.

'When, in the 60 years of atomic weapons, have radioactive missiles been flying around?'
They are flying around on military aircraft all the time. All that is needed is a crisis and somebody to push the button.

'When has the slightest hint of famine ever struck the U.S.?'
The great depression.

'It is just sick how negative you people are, I could should you a yellow-brick road made of gold and you'd only see the one little pebble on it - and claim it's a Sisyphean boulder.'So you say.

You're all about the dire, yet everywhere there's abundance.
Maximum abundance is exactly what happens when the peak of resource extraction happens.

Your predictions are as accurate as the Mayan calendar 'predicting' the end of the world in December of this year.
While I think concentration on the Mayan calendar is meaningless bunk, the year isn't over is it.

Would you like to make a bet on that one?No because if I win you wouldn't be around to give me the money. And if the Mayan calendar is right the money would not be worth anything. If I loose I would have to pay you. Only a fool would make this bet.

" A question: How is the name Prechous pronounced? Precious? Preck-oose? Where DO they get these names?!"

You hypocrite Q...you didn't complain when your mama named you "Precocious" !

"No too smart." -ASSoka in reference to white people

If you think that whites are any worse than other races in their collective behavior then I would suggest that you're the one who's ...um... "no too smart".

You have no apparent knowledge or appreciation of history, historical context, the intertwining of blind luck, circumstance, culture and technological progress with civilizational advance and collapse of not only white people but others also.

Remember how in response to your racist hate mongering I asked you to fuck off and go away? I repeat the request: do us a favor and fuck off and go away. In my estimation you have nothing useful to add to public discourse.

Oh wait, one last thing: you STILL haven't got back to us on a question I asked you a long time ago. Is the Jewish "reconquista" of Palestine (like the hispanic reconquista of the American southwest) "simple justice"? Is it "karma" that Palestinians have to suffer in refugee camps? So give us one last laugh.

Then fuck off and go away.

Ripthunder, hows that retirement going, so far?

I never saw your place up there off US10 (same road I'm on), but I'm sure its pretty nice. You'd be crazy to leave that Pioneer Valley, which is one of the coolest places on earth, for some unknown 3rd world craphole. Politics aside, The Pioneer Valley west to the Housatonic River Valley ... its unmatchable anywhere.

--WSP7

Balkan, I'm sorry.

I saw Ayn Rand mentioned yesterday and I was in a pithy mood and hit the submit button before I properly reflected upon my decision.

I totally apologize for any offense my one line comment caused. Your post was actually good as I stated in responding to Buck yesterday. I'll tell you now that it was very good. Concerning realtor commissions I agree with both you and Buck, we are actually all on the same page. My profession also suffers from exploitation and I also have compassion for overworked should who are not paid fairly.

We should be cool.

So what's wrong with being a Marxist? You said 'Marxist' as if it were a bad thing. Marx died in 1883 and is not responsible for the abuses done by those who misrepresented his ideas in the twentieth century. I think his intellectual contributions continue to be relevant though I'm concentrating more on Michael Bakunin currently.

I also have a che T-shirt and I even know who he was.

I also have compassion for the overworked should who are not paid fairly.

'should' in the last comment should have had a strike-through but the tag is apparently not supported.

should This is a test of the 'del' tag, nothing more.

"QuoBama is the poster child of the pre-funded and pre-approved. His ruse will probably work for him. Most people won't be wanting Romney the Romulan and wishful thinking has made the public attention span as short as a chimps.

Unless!!!! K-dog becomes top dog." -K of the Dawg

I entirely concur!
Why people keep falling for these "non-choices" and have the nerve to call it anything like a representative democracy is well beyond my pay-grade. As you indicate, we damn well know who's representatives they actually are. Too bad so few bother to internalize this and really get cranked about it. Propaganda, HFCS, pharmaceutical mood-enhancers, creature comforts and entertainment have worked their magic, I guess.
It was disgusting for our dear leader to be lying about a millionaires tax that he'll never have to codify. Fucking lying whores, most of 'em.

("Mittens the Romulan". A perfect reflection of both his faces! Also a fine example of a Rand-ian acolyte.)

Somebody should ask Hello Mitty what he thinks of the "works" of Ayn Rand. I'd pay as much as a nickel for an honest reply. (Although I'm not sure how much of a reader that empty suit might be. It wouldn't help his chances with his constituents if it got out that he was "one o' them reeeeaders" either.)

Has he read the Golden Dinnerware as well as GeeDubya's weighty tome?

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exactly, NO starvation in the U.S. even though people are poor. as usual, you hyperbolize poverty to mean people literally dying for lack of food.
no one dies in the U.S., food banks are freely accessible.


re missiles flying around, YOUR original post meant missiles being LAUNCHED (reREAD your own post)

My post: You're all about the dire, yet everywhere there's abundance.
Your reply: Maximum abundance is exactly what happens when the peak of resource extraction happens.

Re population die off since Ag is fossil-fuel dependent: As soon as petroleum supplies fail

haha, good luck waiting for this. people can grow TONS of food locally without petroAg - look at the entire WORLD, e.g. Russia, South America...everywhere people grow food on a local basis and easily SURVIVE. and these people are typically thinner and healthier.

Maximum abundance is exactly what happens when the peak of resource extraction happens

haha, just the same prophet of doom, so you agree we have massive abundance (the yellow-brick road) yet claim it's a negative (there's your boulder in the road you see), on the basis of your imagined 'we've hit peak resource extraction' scenario.

how do you know there's 'peak' resource extraction?

name one resource that's ever been exhausted. (i know of only one insignificant one).

re famine in the U.S. during the 1930's, yes there was some very limited famine, scarcely enough to warrant mad max extrapolation. you might point to the denuding of the land/overfarming etc. back then and claim that we reached 'peak' farming in 1932.

yet food production has skyrocketed since then. how's that for collapse?


get positive, you are drowning in negativity and it just stifles your natural resourcefulness and creativity.

full disclosure: 21 sunflowers coming up nicely, adding beauty and cleansing the atmosphere and soil.

10 more gladiolus and acidanthera growing in the warm soil as well.


peace peaceniks

WSP7, it is Colombian, not Columbian. The country name is Colombia. There is no u in Colombia.

Based on your Colombian friends wanting to leave you conclude Colombia is a terrible place? What part of Colombia are they from? There are some barrios in Colombia that have problems, but most countries have similar kinds of places.

You really should make a trip to Colombia and judge for yourself. Tourism is booming in Colombia.

"Why people keep falling for these "non-choices" and have the nerve to call it anything like a representative democracy is well beyond my pay-grade."

Your pay grade is high enough to understand but you like me are dumbstruck by the inability of others to see the reality of the situation. The answer is that the social cognitive system by which we choose leaders is insufficient to cope with reality.

Red and Blue are the only two colors used to identify political affiliation in America and consequently people are stuck with the belief that they can only make a binary choice between a democrat or a republican. One actually votes for the party voter thinks otherwise.

Short of dispensing heavy hallucinogens in the water supply the only way to enlighten people is to start a revolution in thinking and teach them how they have been punked.

If you think my Red/Blue explanation is over-simplistic and a bit crazy you did not read the linked article. People always believe they are making a choice when in fact society has foisted a cognitive system upon them that they are unaware of and which eliminates freedom. When we use any cognitive system we believe we are making free choices but in fact our choices are unconsciously bound by the rules of the cognitive system.

Thinking 'outside the box' is choosing to use an alternative cognitive system to see if better alternate results can be found.

Rhino, I really enjoy your posts. You are the reason I keep coming back.

Well, you, and the DOW not being at 4,000, gas not being at $10.00, TS not hitting TF.

If those things happen, I'll admit I was wrong and go away. Meanwhile, it is fun to read the predictions of doom week after week.

Where is the 400% inflation we should have from printing so much money? What happened to the imminent collapse of the Euro that was so in vogue in November of last year? Etc. etc.

Welles is doing a good job of calling out all you pessimists, cynics, and naysayers. After seven years here I was tired of doing it and decided to just join in the insult fest, which you, Rhino, stupidly joined in, confirming to me that the clusterfuck is all about put downs and name calling and racism. Have at it, hoss.

UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS HAVE NEGLIGENT IMPACT

Documented workers at firms that also employ undocumented workers earn 0.15 percent less -- or $56 less per year on average -- than they would if they worked at a firm that does not employ undocumented workers, according to a study by the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta.

In fact, workers in retail and leisure and hospitality actually earn slightly more money when their firms hire undocumented workers, since having more employees allows them to specialize, according the paper.

Some anti-immigration activists argue that ridding the country of undocumented workers would help to solve the nation's unemployment problem. There are currently 11.5 million undocumented immigrants in the U.S.: a number that has stayed roughly stable over the past year, according to the Department of Homeland Security.

But the millions of undocumented immigrants aren't the reason the unemployment rate still remains elevated and many job-seekers can't find work, Julie Hotchkiss, an economist at the Atlanta Fed that co-authored the paper, said in an interview with the Richmond Times-Dispatch.

"There have been claims by various proponents of state legislation and immigration reform that if we institute these laws that would just get rid of all of our undocumented workers, that our unemployment problem would go away, that the unemployment rate would just plummet," Hotchkiss told the Richmond Times-Dispatch in a video interview on Wednesday. "What we're finding is there seems to be no direct displacement effect of documented workers when firms hire undocumented workers."

Dude, you should scroll up and see who the original poster was. It was not me but Shakazulu. Therefore I'm not going to get nitpicky with you concerning the original post. You can argue with her.

I only responded to your display of ignorance which anyone here can do. Since you have shown even more I'll respond to that.

Food banks have serious supply problems. People don't contribute to them like they use too and they are not 'everywhere'. When one doesn't have dinero to buy food 'everywhere' can be impossible to get to because you don't have dinero for transportation. Beyond this I'll ignore your lack of compassion.

"haha, good luck waiting for this. people can grow TONS of food locally without petroAg - look at the entire WORLD, e.g. Russia, South America...everywhere people grow food on a local basis and easily SURVIVE. and these people are typically thinner and healthier."

You are so wrong about this: The 'green revolution' has caused massive population growth throughout the world. So much population growth has happened that without fossil fuel inputs crop yields would now fall to levels insufficient to feed current population if suddenly removed.

Using fossil fuel inputs results in abnormal crop yields and when fossil fuels fail it takes three years typically to restore normal crop yields which then will only be 50% of the fossil fuel yield. The reason for this is that soil has been sterilized by artificial fertilizers and biocides. It is a mathematical issue subject to physical laws and not a matter of opinion. We no longer have enough land to feed everybody without fossil fuels.

We loose farmland to salinization and development every year. Currently there is an increase in Indian farmer suicides because the 'Green Revolution' is failing. Worldwide crop yields overall are falling and for several years now global malnutrition has been on the increase. Artificial Fertilizer insecticides and herbicide use is now global and all of them are produced from fossil fuels.

Growing 'tons and tons' of food won't be enough when twice as much is actually needed. Only the use of fossil fuels provides a sufficient surplus to feed the world at current population levels.

Your last post shows that you have not bothered to understand what is meant by peak resource depletion which does not mean running out of resources completely at the 'peak' as you have indicated.

8-ball said "You worship Nature as a Religion: The beauty of the world is exactly in all the little random details, if Man Made, even better, the contrast with "Nature" is even more remarkable, as if Man is really some kind of Alien, something truly outside of the World, as if he is "Outside Looking In".

Worship is too small and trite a word to describe my appreciation for Nature, which is much larger than religion. It comes down to a question of value. It may be more difficult to appreciate the three gorges before a dam was built in its place. Nevertheless, the three gorges where tri-glorious. Of course, now that it is destroyed we are invited to regard the dam as glorious. To help us out the government spends million on television programmes of children choreographed and costumed, singing songs about how glorious it is. Once everyone is certain what the new consensus is, anyone who thinks the dam isn't glorious is a heretic. Man-made things are symbolic. The three gorges were three gorges, and perhaps there was some subtle poetics invented to symbolize some fleeting human emotion throughout the thousands of years of human cohabitation. But now there is a Symbol in its place, and its meaning is no longer ineffable. It will produce no new poetry because it cannot be re-interpreted.

The rusting Cadillac is pretty because of the weeds and rust transforming it from a straightforward and unambiguous Symbol into something else, something more subtle and suggestive and evocative. It once again becomes a source of beauty and art.

New cars are marketed as symbols of beauty, but it is a cultish beauty. You are invited to experience its beauty as a singular, flawless object. It is a transitory belief-experience that a person has bought into. As long as they believe in the beauty of the car, it remains beautiful, and when that belief is no longer tenable, it becomes takcy, if not downright ugly. To the bystander, someone who has not bought into the belief, the car is experienced through the exterior. Modern car designs are designed to appear aggressive, impersonal, intimidating, daunting from the outside. Inside, it is vaginal, all soft seduction of creature comforts. Driving down the road, for the driver, is a transcendent, orgiastic experience. To the bystander, it is a threatening, offensive, and blinding. What is this object besides the desire for a will to power?

The evolution of a car's beauty is a devolution all the way to the weed-field. A new car is washed and waxed regularly to maintain its beauty, until it becomes dented, or unfashionable, or expensive, and then sold to someone who is lower on the social consumer-aesthetic ladder. This individual puts lipstick on the pig in the form of bumper stickers, dangling symbols from the rear view, and fragrant smudging of the interior with burnt offerings. Finally its economic value is reduced to its mere functionality, and is driven hard all the way to the weed field. There it sits, man-made and rusting, an eyesore, an inconvenience, until covered with weeds and brambles, then it ceases to be uncomfortable. Nature has buried our garbage for us. Later, it will be unearthed by an aerial application of 2,4-D herbicides. Will people come from miles around to marvel at the beauty of the the old Cadillac? No, the property owner, with new symbols of beauty dancing in his diseased little mind, will have it towed to the crusher and he will erect a new monstrosity reflecting our present state of inhumanity- the McMansion.

If you are tired of doing it then please go away. Seems we all would be happier that way.

Short of dispensing heavy hallucinogens in the water supply the only way to enlighten people is to start a REVOLUTION IN THINKING and teach them how they have been punked.

useless to prattle on about revolutions in thinking.

people will only effect change if they physically ACT. so you know the money supply is rigged, stock market is rigged, social security is bunkum, politics is pre-selected for you etc.

ok you're now enlightened. will anything change as long as you don't act? about as effective as twitter....

everyone keeps calling for a revolt against the masters. do something about it in your individual level. stop paying taksez. work under the table.
use an alternative ccuurreennccyy (already being used with success around the Untied States)

learn how to have privacy on the net (if possible at all, and i'd love to hear from anyone wiser than myself on this subject).

peace peaceniks

No group can be expected to exert the self-discipline necessary to control population unless there is a way to keep the advantages of such self-discipline from being eaten up by inward migration. No immigration control means no population control. Open borders will always lead to population growth.

What is your answer to population control Asoka or do you think it is not a problem?

Thanks, but no need for apologies. Our posts are short to convey large picture of what we are to say, so we react to them as they are presented.
As for the “Marxist”, I am not “Marxist-Marxist” as my father, a communist, would have liked me to be by inching “Manifesto” across the table toward me and I inching it back. Or the way that I was offered dozens and dozens of times to join the Party and I declined equal number of times.
Reading his Capital is nothing but horror story of documented descriptions and charts how working class lived at his time. Like Thomas Moore few centuries before him he dreamed of better society, with ONE problem, it would have required people to be God like beings with high level of integrity and social conciseness. Best to my knowledge people in Scandinavian countries, as a whole, even they have nothing to do with Marx, were able to achieve the highest of that so far, but not even close to Marx’s “specs”.
Promoting any system, as far as I am concerned, is futile Endeavour because sooner or later Clintons, Bushies, Rumsfeilds … of this world quickly find their ways to positions of power and decision making for their own good and with equal passion defend and promote that system.
You are right that what Soviets and Eastern Block had was wrongly called Communism if for nothing but nowhere in Marx’s writings one can find a suggestion for future Comm-leaders something like: “Mow 50 million of yours…” If, again, for the sake of argument we can called them as such, is that can we say safely that system is dead since 1991?

To be continued…Need to work.

"Promoting any system, as far as I am concerned, is futile Endeavour because sooner or later Clintons, Bushies, Rumsfeilds … of this world quickly find their ways to positions of power and decision making for their own good and with equal passion defend and promote that system."

I agree the situation is daunting and you are correct in time bad people always seem to crawl into positions of power. It is what sociopaths do. Fighting them is a sisyphuian task.

Naysayers post here and love to point out how negative 'doomers' are but that is only what they say. I for one will do what I can to make the world a better place and will not cower in defeat as long as I have breath in me to fight. There is nothing negative about that.

I'll eat the elephant, one bite at a time. Giving up is not an option. The very existence of humanity is at stake.

The above post was meant as a reply to you. Now I have things to do as well.

Short of dispensing heavy hallucinogens in the water supply the only way to enlighten people is to start a REVOLUTION IN THINKING and teach them how they have been punked.
==

Not only how, but why and by whom.

I think I know the answers to the why and by whom, but I would be very interested in your opinion K-DOG.

This subject is really the key to everything else. It is key to understanding how perceptions are created managed manipulated, and why EVERYTHING we take for "fact", reality, history, is extremely suspect.

Waiting eagerly for your reply.

"dick slipping out when you got her in doggy? Either u trying to long stroke wit a short dick or she need to arch that back" - Treyvon Martin."

I wish I was that lucky as a high school junior. He's got that going for him.

Excellent writing Bustin.

I would like to see your words in a newspaper as a guest editorial.

A very good critique of Vlad's understanding of art and beauty. And really why Vlad's nazi "education" is so half-baked. Very much the same as 8-ball's philosophical musings.

I'm not understanding the label "QuoBama." What does this mean? I assume it's an insult? Does it mean "Quote Obama?"

Ya BustinJ, nice writing in style & content, I agree, but Jesus Christ, why are you responding to the 8man?

--WSP7

Food bankers are not everywhere, people are!

also:
lose / loose
www.towson.edu/ows/lose_lose.htm
Commonly Confused Words: lose / loose. Lose, pronounced /luz/ is a verb. Lose has three possible meanings: ... Example of loose meaning "not fastened

warispeace

lose / loose
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Commonly Confused Words: lose / loose. Lose, pronounced /luz/ is a verb. Lose has three possible meanings: ... Example of loose meaning "not fastened

My guess is that by QuoBama he means "Status Quo Obama".

Thank you for your polite request to leave. I will take it under consideration.

As for population control I have provided my answers in depth in years past and will not repeat myself, especially since you are requesting that I stop posting... and then you asked for an answer that requires posting. Is this a trap?

That would be my guess, as well.

peaceisharmony

Indeed

Seems like a nice young man, sharing relevant information. The emails (the ones antisoak linked to) also revealed Treyvon Martin was concerned about SAT scores, scholarships, going to college, etc. Like antisoak said, a nice young man.

You are correct, Jekyll & Hyde*.

*a person who is vastly different in moral character from one situation to the next.

A Che T shirt? You still wear the face of that thug? Grow up. The 60's are over.

Hope you realize how much credibility you've just lost.

He wanted to be "a no limit nigga". That was his goal. Now youthful boasting is no crime but it often leads to crime. And he had alot of behavioral problems at school. If he had lived, he was in for some extreme inner conflict if he intended to try college. I haven't heard what his grades were. If they were good, he would have had a chance of course. If not, why bother?

He may have profiled Zimmerman as an authority figure. And he seems to have been the one to initiate actual physical contact/conflict. Mr Zimmerman couldn't retreat since he was pinned to the ground. You have to think it thru Soak - instead of giving in to the old lynch mob mentality.

Yes Zone, everyone should write in John Edwards next November. He is th ONLY one who can save us.

Natural things decay and then life rises up from the decay. Man made things just decay. The contrast Bustin paints shows the power of Nature -even if just humble weeds surrounded by miles and miles of huge decaying dead artifacts.

The more Man advances, the more appreciation has for Nature. You seem to have gone somewhat awry.

Of course, Man's buildings and bridges are glorious in a way. But in terms of beauty? Nature wins. And any future Civilization will be beautiful to the extent it works with Nature and not against it.

Like all Communists, you think you have the right to other people's money. Rand say you don't. You call this egotism. I call it sanity and basis of free association.

Of course she is limited: to have a flourishing culture, the Goverment has to have a place in the Economy. So we agree, but not really. It's a matter of degree.

Margaret Thatcher once slipped up and revealed she didn't believe in society at all - it's all just individuals and the goverment as the enforcer of contracts. This is a perversion but it is the logical conclusion of Randism.

Without Some (but how much?) Paternalism, society becomes the war of all against all.

Yes, even some East Asians are begining to pile on the pig pile of hate Whitey. That's what happens when a race acts this weak for decades. It's very dangerous to do so - be it as an individual, nation, or race.

Now go back to the Reconstruction Era and read how Blacks treated the disarmed Whites - while the Union Authorities did nothing but laugh. Reclaim your True Heritage - and the role the KKK played in saving the South.

How come there aren't more "Mad Scientists"?

Why is it that science nerds don't commonly develop huge, over-sized egos and hatch mad schemes for world domination and destruction like aristocrats, politicians, bureaucrats, and CEOs do?

The popular fantasy that imagines technological fixes for all of humanity's problems seems to envision scientists as altruistic, friendly people out to help us. But maybe, like everyone else, the reverse is true and that scientists are basically Ego Maniacs?

And why is it that it's seemingly the really crazy people who dream of creating a Utopia on Earth?

[Pucker shrugging his shoulders and mumbling to himself]

"I don't know...Beats me...."

Unamusment Park is a great website - a very pure Fountain of Rational Hate and Mockery towards our Smug Elites and their bully boy clients.

Went to see Huger Games. Great movie. Good acting, characters, plot, action scenes, etc. They had "Movie Survival Training" on opening night. I summoned all my willpower and refrained from attending.

A question of specialization I'd say. People who are focused on the intellect don't have the energy or personality to conquer. Some like Bill Gates turn to business and that's alot closer to the Will.

For the big picture, check out the work of Laurence Kohlberg. Moral development presupposes intellectual development but they're not the same. The intellect can run ahead of the moral function but not vice versa. It's necessary but not sufficient in other words. So the mad scientist type is quite possible, just not likely for the reason I already gave. Instead we have people like Dick Cheney and Bernie Madoff who suffer from such a lopsided development.

Kudos on your test score. You are the Philosopher King who needs to be begged to assume power.

I remember talking to or about you before. I can't remember if I'm supposed to hate you or not.

"Went to see Huger Games. Great movie. Good acting, characters, plot, action scenes, etc. They had "Movie Survival Training" on opening night. I summoned all my willpower and refrained from attending." Vladdie

So, Vladdie me boy, how did your "date" enjoy the movie...err..I mean your mother? Do you mean to tell us you either a) have a friend to go to the movies with or b) go to the movies by yerself? Can't imagine the former, but can imagine the latter. Whatever, pary on, Garth!

"I remember talking to or about you before. I can't remember if I'm supposed to hate you or not"
Vladdie

Sounds like somebody has been experiencing some pretty severe alcoholic blackouts! My guess, Dear Vladdie, is that you indeed hate him (or her), for that is your specialty. You and Asoka ought to consider gay marriage. It would suit you both, you're so much alike. ;D

Change we can believe in became change I'm not going to do.

Consequently we have. Status => quObama.

Not so much of an insult, more of a nickname.

I admit that I go after quoBama when he is only the tip of TPTB iceberg but I recall there was a president who had a sign on his desk. The Buck Stops Here.

At $400,000 a year Mr. legacy (That's all he is about.) can take my inconsequential abuse. While he concentrates on his 1% club membership the future of the nation goes down the tubes.

As credibility relates to honesty I have not lost any.

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Umm, NEGLIGIBLE perhaps?

"There is no limit to the number of people you can love." -asoka-

You have posted this arcana so many times that it must be true, a..

So, let us say that you start tonight. Take a list of people on the planet, and go down the list saying simply, "I love you."
As in:
"I love you, Al Sharpton." -asoka.-
"I love you, George Zimmerman." -asoka.-

This should take about one second per person.
Let us be charitable and say that you, asoka., can work through your list without rest or sleep.

It will take you 31.7 YEARS, to love a billion people at the rate of simply SAYING ONE NAME per second.

To love all 7 billion people on Earth, at this rate, will take you 221 years and 11 months, asoka..

Time's a wasting.
You might want to take K-Dog's polite suggestion to heart, and stop posting to CFN.

You better get busy. You've got a LOT of lovin' that you need to get done. Start immediately!

You hypocrite Q...you didn't complain when your mama named you "Precocious" !
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My Mom never called me "Precocious" but she did say I was "stubborn" which, for emphasis, she always enunciated STUH BOR IN!! "Kyoo, you. are. STUH. BOR. IN."

Carroll Quigley describes different cognitive system which cause us each to see the world in different ways. Another way to look at it is that different people can have different world views.

We get our world views from our culture and self perpetuating institutions which promote and brainwash their citizenry into having particular world views which serve the interests of the institution. Any self perpetuating institution will evolve ways of doing this or it would not be self perpetuating.

My contribution to the dialog is to suggest that we are unconscious of our thoughts being confined within a particular world view or cognitive system and believe we are free thinkers when in fact we are not. The situation can be compared to that of a wild animal confined within a large fenced enclosure. As long as the animal cannot see the surrounding fence it believes itself to be free. Within the confines of the fence it actually is which explains the delusion.

Self perpetuating institutions can be the government, schools, the church or the corporate interests of the ruling 0.1%. Our thoughts are confined by tradition and culture much more than we are aware of.

Advertising brings the point home well. Advertising is highly effective but it works on us in very unconscious ways. While writing this post I received a phone call asking if I would like to be a part of the Obama team. I declined, I will not be advertising for Obama. He is not about sustainability, the people or any change I can believe and I will not be advertising for him. A short discussion ensued which attempted to find out my views. I suspect this is to adjust the coming campaign slogans for maximum effect.

An effective self perpetuating institution will also be set up so there does need to be a mastermind in charge. Secret handshakes are not necessary. Enduring systems will make sure that only those with approved world views ever attain leadership positions.

A particular society having fixed ways of behaving and thinking is like a species of animal with particular behaviors. When circumstances change suddenly the species becomes extinct because it cannot adapt to the new living situation.

Sadly this is the situation we are currently in.

"We need the Hell's Angels or the KKK." -vlad-
"The KKK will come again." -vlad-

Vlad, I've heard you. And you may be right.
But let me tell you something - I grew up in the shadow of the KKK in a little Southern town south of the Atlanta airport, in a county that had a large and dominant KKK presence at the time.

As a kid, I was pretty much scared shitless of the son's of bitches. And I was white, straight, 7 years old, and Baptist.

To this day, I still don't like that kind of fear, and I don't like hate.

The fact that asoka presents an implacable desire to put "whitey" (that's me and my family, btw) down forever -

The fact that Bill will defend a hateful hater of the Vatican "to the death," simply because he and that anonymous internet personage share some alleged Tribal Heritage -

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I - slowly, sadly, and regretfully - begin to see that some organization that functions to "defend white people" is going to become necessary -

But I am going to fight against - AND CALL OUT - the gathering forces that are making that defense necessary, for as long as I can.


Vlad wrote: "Kudos on your test score. You are the Philosopher King who needs to be begged to assume power."

I'm not fit for authority. I don't even want to have a secretary because I'd have to pay attention to her and meet her emotional needs.

Basically, I just want to be left alone so that no one tries to hurt me.

There's another futuristic dystopia movie out called "Hunger Games".

The movie depicts a future in which an elite, wealthy, depraved aristocracy use children for their profit, amusement, and egotistical aggrandizement---a bit like U.S. law schools....

Thanks for the comments. Welles and other true believers ignore the activities ongoing to defend themselves with words. Actions affect reality. Words affect the mind. We live in a physical world. Thoughts put on paper do not impact physical activity. The Elites running the planet we live on have been creating artificial scarcities for generations and now insist we must all live in caves or the earth will die. No matter what the words are written by utopians, one Elite took the time and effort to put up a stone that says "population reduced to 500 million." The world is entering dark times. But that shouldn't stop us from planting a tree if it makes us feel better. I'm all for positive action. If I didn't believe in the power of good, I'd join the Elites today and get my TSA badge.

Apple is constructing what will be the nation’s largest non-utility solar and fuel-cell power plants. That’s a good thing™, right?

Not according to The National Center for Public Policy Research (NCPPR), a conservative think tank that claims Apple board member Al Gore is enriching himself while ripping off shareholders.

“Shareholders must question why Apple is choosing to pay a premium for alternative energy when there are many sources of cheaper energy available in North Carolina, such as coal.” says NCPPR director Tom Borelli, adding that “Gore is trying to ‘bail out his personal investments in alternative energy and green technology.’”

Yup, the one thing we need more of in this country is coal smoke — good ol’ American red, white and black-lung coal.

And, don’t miss the use of the conservative code words “bail out.”

No, Vlad, you have to look at the facts, after taking off your prejudiced glasses. Zimmerman spotted Martin while patrolling his gated community, got out of his vehicle and followed the young Martin. In other words, Vlad, Zimmerman "profiled" Martin, who was unarmed and wasn't committing a crime.

Zimmerman observed Martin and assumed Martin was a criminal. Zimmerman felt Martin did not belong in the gated community and called the police.

During this time, Martin was on the phone with a friend and described to her what was happening. The witness advised that Martin was scared because he was being followed through the complex by an unknown male and didn't know why.

During a recorded call to a police dispatcher, Zimmerman made reference to people he felt had committed and gotten away with break-ins in his neighborhood. Later while talking about Martin, Zimmerman stated "these a------s, these f-----g punks, they always get away"

Its a fact that no one will be able to prove guilt in this case, because there is not enough evidence for a jury to convict him of commit 2nd degree murder. It will be an opportunity to make a case that he should be charged with manslaughter instead. This puts the whole kitten in the jury's lap.

Zimmerman either confesses or plea bargains, otherwise, the its up to 12 of his peers. Its out of anyone's hands now, least of all George Zimmerman. Bet he wishes he never got out of bed that morning let alone left his house with a gun.

Few Liberals are capable of the growth you have achieved these last few months. Why were you afraid of the guys who were on your side? Was it public school propaganda? Or something real?

I'm no expert, but I believe General Bedford Forest disbanded his original onece the crisis was over because he saw the large potential for abuse. But by then it had taken on a life of its own....

Your distaste for what is coming is fair if futile. It's not going to be pretty and we are going to have to get unpleasant since everyone else will be.

Did you hear about the shootings in Tulsa? They're doing it again: calling one of the shooters, the Native American guy a White.

He was Captain of the Neighborhood Watch so it was his business to be interested in strange young men. And as for his curses, they aren't overtly racist though they do seem a bit over the top and too eager since Treyvon hadn't done anything yet.

As a wanna be cop, Zimmerman may be a flawed man, but he doesn't seem the racist you want him to be nor a complete creep/loser. He has good friends who are standing by him along with his family. And some of the friends are Black. He stood up for a Black homeless guy awhile back. Tutored Black children etc. It's just not there Soak. Open your heart. You say you love Latin Americans...

Kramps, you are in Agony. Your Gayness is a compensation for the complete lack of brotherhood in American Life. Here is the answer: the Mannerbund. Such Brotherhoods are the progenitors of Civilizations. They are what the movie Fight Club was trying to get across. Here is the concept in the form of a movie review.


http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/04/brian-de-palmas-the-untouchables/

Fake Hard Work

Given that nothing really needs to be "produced" anymore, that the Technological Economy has done away with most Real Work and Labor, the only thing that is left is Status Games, Office Politics, Power Struggles, Conflicts, the real job is "Convincing Your Boss" or "Convincing the Markets" or "Selling Some Imaginary Value and Crap to some Worthless Customers" as Man is a worthless generalized Turd, is a puke, is a piece of crap, 100 % bar none. The Real Job consists in convincing the other mind, mind games, the real job is to obtain a good judgment from the other mind, the other, the Boss, the whatever other mind you depend on, etc.

The real job is showing off "how Hard You Work" which really means how much of a Slave and how much you will and must abide to random forces, whether Bosses, Corporations, Matkets whatever, all of those forces that want you to be a slave, to jump ever more higher, the poor worker must always ask, How High Must I Jump, and the Boss tells him ever more higher, ever more "Hard Work" Show, the show must go on, so beat each other up with all of the "Hard Work" BS, give the "Future Boss", the guy who wants to get "Ahead" an ever more Hard Time, give him impossible tasks, impossible schedules, get him working the most impossible tasks (always totally useless, totally vain, just an excuse to exercise power, 99 % of all tasks in all of the offices worldwide are so idiotic and ridiculous and useless that it is obvious to anyone that they are just Man Made contraptions to make believe that there is some real work to be done, just contraptions used to repress others, to continue the subtle fight of contrasting Will Powers, the imaginary and useless tasks that appear only because some other Arbitrary Will Power wants to have some fun seeing others abide and work like slaves, to see statuses reconfirmed, to see the power structure enhanced once again and such) announced always at the Last Minute Friday Evening to get him working like a slave all weekend and such.

This is what "work" really consists of in a Technological Economy, make believe activities that only hide the desire to repress the other, the desire to command and boss the other, the desire to replicate and amplify the structural inequality, the Fake Show of Hard Work, the Fake Show of meritocracy all based on power and force and arbitrary will powers deciding to beat up the other and such (rarely based on anything really objectively valuable, since too many people would be too good at that and you need to select a few and filter out all of those that become "lazy" (and see how the hard work myth imposes people to become lazy by creating ever higher barriers for them to be considered "successful" and such) since they don't or can't or desire to follow ever harder boss or market requests (or impossible sales targets and such) and also notice how the power strctures reproduce themselves perfectly since the boss (boss is just a proxy word to mean corporations and markets and banks and power and such) will let only those that are exactly like him get ahead, and they know right away who is a future Slave Boss and who doesn't want to be one and such).

On a side note, the Startup myth, and the flexible USA economy gives people some more wiggle room in that they can try to become their own bosses (but it is mostly an illusion), many other places don't even allow that little wiggle room the USA has such as in China, JAPAN, South Korea most of Europe and such, in these places, the status, arbitrary, "connections" and "relationships" forces aren't even hidden too much, most people there already know and are cynical, know that only the other person's power and judgments counts to "get ahead", all else is mostly irrelevant.

But of course, the system is all automatic, the Bosses had to go through the same hell and they will impose a similar hell upon the new crop of graduates and such, and of course many won't stand for it, many will not abide as they will understand and see how it is all just a power game, there is no real technical or business reason or economic reason behind 99 % of things, hence they see that it is just an arbitrary will power expressing their power and whether or not to abide and play the game or not. And many will not, or will play it partially or will eventually give in and give up as in the pressure is constantly increased for the future boss that wants to have a career and to make it must keep it up, ever more, until he makes it and such. And those that don't abide, don't want to play the game are considered "Lazy", slackers, don't "Want to Work" and such, when in all truth they don't want to be under some arbitrary will power of some arbitrary thug wanting to express his power and repress the new crops of slaves, etc.

But then, if you play the game, you can't go back, you slowly start having too much to lose, you can't give up or give even a little less otherwise you will lose all of the past investment, all the past effort will have been in vain, your past work and effort is your prison and forces you to keep on trying harder, to keep up the long hours, ever more and such, otherwise you risk losing everything, you risk losing all the past work, it all goes down the drain, it can all be judged as being a big fat ZERO in a jiffy since the only forces acting within the Technological Economy is the instant judgment, the instant will power event, the instant change of the judgment from "Possible" to "Bad", from possible Win, to lose and such (resembles the housing crisis, when you can't keep up the payments but you can't give up the house otherwise you risk losing all the money you already paid for it, etc: the solution ? just leave the keys, stop paying, who cares, lose "everything", it was all worthless crap anyways and the same for the stressed out boss, just give up, who cares, it is all crap anyways).

So, in the end, it is all a losing proposition, just like the South Korean (or JAPAN or China) students always "studying", when in truth it is just a subtle dictatorship of power expressing itself upon the minds of the students, saying you are nothing, you are a slave, you must abide, I am the boss and such, and they get brainwashed by the same BS and replicate the same values and systems over and over again.

You have to"Work Hard" which means be a total slave of another will power if you want to succeed and "Make Money". But the exact meaning and value of money is the fact that it is and renders you independent from other will powers, from other fluke judgments, the reason to want money is to try to gain as much independence and freedom from this huge ball of crap of modern labor, to be free from other judgments and power, and money is the value of objective independence, the more money (the symbol and proxy), the more you can possibly be free and such.

But make no mistake, the very reason Inequality and Power Structures and Status games and all kinds of Arbitrary Will Power events and forces keep on increasing is exactly because the Technological Economy has done away with the need for any real labor and work, it needs more real labor and work like a hole in the head, but this freedom from the dependency on real work and tasks makes the arbitrary components of will powers expressing themselves ever more powerful, the fluff and games become ever more powerful as the more real work becomes no longer necessary: the less real work there is to do, the harder the Drone of "Hard Work" is being imposed on everyone, the harder the Powers that Be must brainwash everyone of the need of "Hard Work", the more real hard work is no longer necessary and needed for the economy to work, the more imaginary and arbitrary and will power and power and status based invented and imaginary and comic book Hard Work is imposed on workers, just because, just for fun, because Man is a turd, is an Ape Man stone age turd.

There is no "Objective Economy" and forces at work, there are only relationships between reciprocal people, between reciprocal will powers judging, there is nothing objective between people, only arbitrary reference systems established by the other person's mind judging, by reciprocal minds making believe that they are objective when it is not based on anything but fluke will powers which are without any value at all.

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I don't want comparison, I don't want Right or Wrong, I don't want who did what, who is right and who is wrong, who is guilty and who is not, What we should do instead of what we did and such. Hate Nature Busty, use it as a tool, the dam creates electricity that is good for people, the greens don't like people, they like an imaginary clown in the sky called Nature (what was once called the good old Jesus Khryst, in fact, give us back the good old Khyrst for Khryst's sakes, we don't need any new (age ?) religion, we already have many fine old ones that work well enough in hosing people's minds). I just like things as they are, all kinds of things, the beauty in the way they are simply without any Function, any Social Meaning and Morality, they are nothing at all, we can't do anything with them, we can't attach them to any of our puny pain/pleasure circuits or any of our social conflicts, Me better than You, me more morally correct than you BS and such, any fights, and win or lose thingys, etc. We can't attach the old car in the weeds with any Function, any intentionality of use, anything at all, it simply suggest that things are mostly undefined, mostly useless, mostly without any function.

Just like Science and Math are mostly the results of Machines expressing Mathematical Relationships from the outset, from the beginning (by their design and their Intentionality of use reflecting the way we are designed, the way we were arbitrarily designed by the blind forces of Nature through natural Evolution, but having no deeper truth or fundament or absolute than a random group of pebbles on the street) and we think that that is Nature talking to us and expressing the unreasonable precision of mathematics in its predictive and descriptive power in physics the physicists love to believe in, just like another religion and such, everything we look at is always trying to frame something in social, good or bad, morality, political, guilty or not guilty (and punish and deserving this or that and hard work crap), fights, A against B meanings and suggestions: just like you do, but you can't see past all of this BS, this mental pollution, you can't accept things for what they are, simply useless, without a function, without meaning, expressing pure existence without any possible function.

In fact, we should construct machines out of random pebbles on the street and mountains and random ocean waves and wild clouds, we should construct abstract machines that use all of that which has and can't have any function even because it can't even be delimited and pinpoint down (an ocean wave extends in time and space an unknown amount, same as clouds and such) and such machines must provide functions that are even more detached and abstract, impossible to define, ever more.

The V8 in the new cadillac is made up of pebbles as the cylinders and clouds as the spark plugs and such. And repeat and extend, the wilder the better, be crazy, be insane, be incomprehensible, break the chains of logic, of people and society, break the chains of Non Contradiction and the Identity Principle, kill it all.

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Just like Science and Math are mostly the results of Machines expressing Mathematical Relationships from the outset, from the beginning (by their design and their Intentionality of use reflecting the way we are designed, and especially the way our Man Brain is designed, the arbitrary quirk stupid circuits in our randomly organized Man Brain which could have trillions of new better, more chaotic, deeper, richer and refined organizations and such, the way we were arbitrarily designed by the blind forces of Nature through natural Evolution, but having no deeper truth or fundament or absolute than a random group of pebbles on the street) and we think that that is Nature talking to us (when we are simply talking to ourselves using our puny language and logic, nay Matter talking to itself with one of trillions of arbitrary language and reality framing and formatting systems possible) and expressing the unreasonable precision of mathematics in its predictive and descriptive power in physics the physicists love to believe in, just like another religion and such, everything we look at is always trying to be framed into something social, good or bad, morality, political, guilty or not guilty (and punish and deserving this or that and hard work crap), fights, A against B meanings and suggestions: just like you do, but you can't see past all of this BS, this mental pollution, you can't accept things for what they are, simply useless, without a function, without meaning, expressing pure existence without any possible function.

In fact, we should construct machines out of random pebbles on the street and mountains and random ocean waves and wild clouds, we should construct abstract machines that use all of that which has and can't have any function even because it can't even be delimited and pinpoint down (an ocean wave extends in time and space an unknown amount, same as clouds and such) and such machines must provide functions that are even more detached and abstract, impossible to define, ever more.

The V8 in the new cadillac is made up of pebbles as the cylinders and clouds as the spark plugs and such. And repeat and extend, the wilder the better, be crazy, be insane, be incomprehensible, break the chains of logic, of people and society, break the chains of Non Contradiction and the Identity Principle, kill it all.

THE 8 MAN HAS SPOKEN ONCE AGAIN

Your welcome. As you say, words affect the mind and if our minds are not in the right place we can't take effective action to cushion and mitigate and understand the coming clusterfuck.

Some posts it appears are intended to minimize the sincere beliefs and efforts of other posts the authors of whom genuinely care about the big picture and the long term survival of the human race. These posts do not contribute to the discussion and we have to help each other out when bullies show up to undermine what we are trying to say.

This is not my blog and I don't make the rules but I'll risk saying that sincere disagreement and dialog is welcome but posts that appear with the sole purpose of undermining the views of others and which contribute nothing to the discussion need to be attacked for what they are.

Yes, yes, yes name calling and racism. You ought to know all about name calling and racism given your own racist posts.

You still haven't answered the big question. Shall I repeat it? I've asked it several times. OK if you insist, here it is for your convenience:

Is the Jewish "reconquista" of Palestine (like the Hispanic reconquista of the American southwest) "simple justice"? Is it "karma" that Palestinians have to suffer in refugee camps?

And another question: was it "karma" that Amerindians had to suffer conquest and marginalization at the hands of European settlers?

Like I said give us one last laugh and then fuck off into the sunset.

"As for population control I have provided my answers in depth in years past and will not repeat myself,..." - Asoka

Good, you said all you need to say so buzz off.

They're doing it again: calling one of the shooters, the Native American guy a White.
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I think you're applying a little spin here Vlad. The article I read said there were two shooters involved, one white and the other native American Indian. The paper says the Indian identifies himself as white.

Zimmerman won't confess. He doesn't have to. When the prosecutor charged him with 2nd degree murder, she effectively made the case for his aquittal. The evidence in the case shows that Zimmerman had bruises on the back of his head that night, as well as a bloody nose. With respect to Florida's law, Stand Your Ground, a citizen has a right to use deadly force when defending himself.

His attorney might cop a plea for manslaughter, which would result in less jail time. But as the case stands now, no judge in his/her right mind will try the case as it now stands.

The prosecutor did what she had to do, which was look like a hard ass by charging Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder. IMO, it was 2nd degree murder. But with Florida's law, and I'm no attorney, Zimmerman can claim he was defending himself. I don't think the case will ever make it to trial.

Zimmerman was half white and half Hispanic, just for the record ;p

"As for population control I have provided my answers in depth in years past and will not repeat myself,..." - Asoka

Exactly WHEN did you STOP repeating yourself?

I read he was all brown. Adopted by whites.

I think he's a marked man, wherever he ends up. He won't last three minutes in jail. If he's acquitted, he'll spend the rest of his life looking over his shoulder, because some bad-ass black dude is going to kill him. Will we see another summer of "Why can't we all just get along?"

Your mother called. She wants her basement back.

That wasn't the orignal story - maybe the media backed off. They're having to do alot of that lately.

Some people who identify as Indian look as White as I do. This guy looks like a full blood so he identifies as White. America, it's a problem.

The Indians themselves varied strongly in their reaction to Blacks. The Sioux admired the Black Union Soldiers and called them Buffalo Soldiers - a compliment. The Comanches loathed them utterly. The Hopi were expecting them in their prophecies. The Cherokees had Black slaves when they were trying to fit in with Southern Whites. In any case, alot of mixing ended up happening over the centuries - at least in the East. Much less so in the West where Blacks are a more recent addition.

You are my namesake, my son. It's time to become a man now, Kramps.

About a month ago.

Here's a good example of how the law works in one of the world's major population centers. BTW, Kudos to whoever posted the "Filthy India" pictorial. I have visual confirmation of two(2) barfings.

The Hillary Rosen incident is pure poetic justice. The trumped up "War on Women" has backfired on the Obamas. They are now in maximum damadge controll throwing the hapless dyke under the bus. Lesbo strikes out!

Make no mistake friends, she revealed how they really see stay at home moms. The Communist Manifesto makes clear that children are to be raised by the state. The famous Marxist Writer Simone De Beauvoir, author of The Second Sex, called such mothers, "parasites" and said that they should be forced to work.

Again the Manifesto said clearly that the nuclear family is the enemy of the State and is an obstacle to attaining Utopia (nowhere) - the classless society. When I walk around outside, I think we already have no class at all.

You yourself have admitted that being civil to blacks is the best course, without engaging them or wanting to have anything to do with blacks other than polite exchanges. I think many racists here agree with your strategy, since blacks are a fact of life since whites brought them here.

Civil, polite behavior is called "getting along" and that is what you favor ... between all races. As I understand you are a white separatist, not a white supremacist.

I never said that. More pure grade 'A' baloney served up by Asoka himself.

That's where it gets interesting in my opinion. The high Elite know all about these things and they want to reduce the world's population - by force and fraud. They want to power down Civilization - all the while staying on top. They want People to be crammed into Cities with the countryside open only to them.

Now who has the best chance to save the Ecosystem, them or us? Obviously, them. But at what price? Certainly all of our freedoms and almost all of any real culture. So what's it going to be? I say let's save Humanity even at the price of the snail darters and yellow belly sap suckers. Hopefully the collapse will be so complete as to save the large animals of Africa and most other species - if they can just hold out a few more years.

So you see Black dysfuntion as merely cultural? Then why are all Black Cultures so poor, dirty, and crime ridden?

Last year in England, a riot started when a police officer ordered a Black girl to pick a wrapper she had dropped on the street. She picked it up and then dropped it again when he turned his back. He went to arrest her and she bit him. And other Blacks saw the scuffle and joined in.

Now imagine how they're going to be when things get really bad.

Certain posters here have aligned themselves in the Trayvon/Zimmerman case just as we knew they would. Vlad and Anti Soak supporting Zimmerman's actions... Asoka, Bustin and Buck convinced it was a race based murder.

The fact is nobody here has enough information to know... it is all speculation.

So I will speculate too:

Trayvon was suspicious for walking home in the dark "while black" and the hoodie didn't help either. And Zimmerman is a classic wannabe cop. A person who yearns for power because in reality he has none. As I understand it, it is Zimmerman himself who formed this security force for the community last summer after there had been a number of break-ins and has taken on the title of "Captain" or some such. I haven't heard whether there are other volunteers who go out on patrol or whether Z is a force of one going about in a little dream-world, righting wrongs, The Man of La Sanford. "Captain of the community security force" will look good on his resume when he persues his true goal: to become a real cop with a legit uniform, badge and gun and can give up the hokey Paul Blart routine.

In my expeience/view we need to be suspicious of the motivations of ALL cops. (I forget who it was, Plato or Socrates? who noted as much.) I have observed uncalled-for cop violence in the most innocuous of situations. No one is more dangerous than someone we have empowered to interpret the law and protect us. When this personality type has a love (collection) of guns and other weapons I become doubly suspicious. It will be interesting to learn, if indeed it comes up at the trial, whether Z has such a collection.

Speculating about this case makes me recall the old days when I hung out at Parkside Billiards in Camden, NJ (much to my parent's chagrin). Another poolroom-Johnny there, about my age, and whose muscles had muscles, became, a few years later, the owner of the joint which he relocated to the other side of the street and arranged in such a way as to gain control of any potential riff-raff. He was an imposing presence behind his counter, dressed in a tight white T-shirt looking like he was ready to "explode" (as Danny DeVito said to Ahhnold) with a huge German Shepherd sprawled languidly on the floor awaiting orders from his master.

I drifted off to other rhelms(sp?) until 10 years later I encountered this muscle-bound dude in a bar in Cherry Hill. We talked. He had become a cop on the Camden police force. "No kidding" I asked, "how so?" He said with an honest bright smile, "I LOVE the action."

Those are excellent ideas Soak. Glad you're starting to see straight but not narrow.

Yes, but the high elite can never stand against us if we come together as a pack. They need us because we are their arms and legs. It is essential for their survival that they keep us fighting amongst ourselves for then we are desperate and subject to their bidding.

Blacks against whites. Whites against blacks. It is all the same. A a win for them and a loss for us. They don't care who builds their pyramids as long as they get built.

In times of plenty they breed us to increase their profit and lower our wages. When things are scarce they use hate and war to cull our numbers down. Hungry bellies make that process very easy. Post peak oil production is going to mean a lot of hungry bellies. As for increasing our numbers you said it yourself:

"all of our freedoms and almost all of any real culture."

Once freedom and culture are taken away all limits on controlling population fall away. That is the curse of the pioneering principle.

Passive control of population is preferable to positive control because positive control means death. The only way to fix the problem is to become our own elites. And I know how to do it.

Sorry about that Vlad. I neglected to indicate I was replying to your most excellent post.

All true unfortunately. Some old timers say that the quality of cops has gone down; that it doesn't attract top notch guys anymore. Could be something in that. But probably more to the point: America has become unpoliceable except by a very heavy hand. As Rip said awhile ago, most cops think the public are assholes. And alot of people know that now and want nothing to do with them.

Two generation ago, cops taught little kids how to ride a bike. The job is too much for them now, it would be too much for anyone. The first line of defence is the family. Failing that, the schools, courts, and police can at best fight a desperate rear guard action.

Cops are not the Angels from Realms of Glory that the Right Wingers would have us believe. (As a Fascist, I'm neither Right nor Left, but both and neither)

"Now who has the best chance to save the Ecosystem, them or us? Obviously, them."

I disagree here. Being in charge of our own destiny places the ecosystem as top priority, everything changes. Homeowners take better care of houses than renters.

Certain posters here have aligned themselves in the Trayvon/Zimmerman case just as we knew they would. Vlad and Anti Soak supporting Zimmerman's actions... Asoka, Bustin and Buck convinced it was a race based murder.

The fact is nobody here has enough information to know... it is all speculation.

So I will speculate too:

Trayvon was suspicious for walking home in the dark "while black" and the hoodie didn't help either. And Zimmerman is a classic wannabe cop. A person who yearns for power because in reality he has none. As I understand it, it is Zimmerman himself who formed this security force for the community last summer after there had been a number of break-ins and has taken on the title of "Captain" or some such. I haven't heard whether there are other volunteers who go out on patrol or whether Z is a force of one going about in a little dream-world, righting wrongs, The Man of La Sanford. "Captain of the community security force" will look good on his resume when he persues his true goal: to become a real cop with a legit uniform, badge and gun and can give up the hokey Paul Blart routine.

In my expeience/view we need to be suspicious of the motivations of ALL cops. (I forget who it was, Plato or Socrates? who noted as much.) I have observed uncalled-for cop violence in the most innocuous of situations. No one is more dangerous than someone we have empowered to interpret the law and protect us. When this personality type has a love (collection) of guns and other weapons I become doubly suspicious. It will be interesting to learn, if indeed it comes up at the trial, whether Z has such a collection.

Speculating about this case makes me recall the old days when I hung out at Parkside Billiards in Camden, NJ (much to my parent's chagrin). Another poolroom-Johnny there, about my age, and whose muscles had muscles, became, a few years later, the owner of the joint which he relocated to the other side of the street and arranged in such a way as to gain control of any potential riff-raff. He was an imposing presence behind his counter, dressed in a tight white T-shirt looking like he was ready to "explode" (as Danny DeVito said to Ahhnold) with a huge German Shepherd sprawled languidly on the floor awaiting orders from his master.

I drifted off to other rhelms(sp?) until 10 years later I encountered this muscle-bound dude in a bar in Cherry Hill. We talked. He had become a cop on the Camden police force. "No kidding" I asked, "how so?" He said with an honest bright smile, "I LOVE the action."

I don't know about other places but cops here are more about making sure everyone gets through their day having a positive experience. They don't cause people trouble unless your are doing something that detracts from the positive experience of another. The police chiefs here are very adverse to doing anything that takes away from their clearly defined mission: keeping the public safe.

The Elite want to breed a light skinned Black type; handsome and reasonably intelligent. In other words, well below them.

You know how to overthrow them? Ignore them right? Make them superfulous. Well you better stop talking about Chairman Mao cuz you aint gonna make it with anyone anyhow. Communism was an utter disaster for the Human Race. It's a perversion of the Human Spirit. The Elite LOVE Communism and gained much ground with it. Who do you think funded it? No one asks that, the most basic question. Just like no one asked who funded Obama's campaign.

Yes, of course. But who is winning? And if they win, we stay in the cities where we can't cause trouble.

Also, some owners aren't very good at all. But with a good social ethic, it could work. Most White Americans are disgusted to see someone throw trash on the street or sidewalk. Europeans even more so. Other places haven't even begun with this yet.

"I have observed uncalled-for cop violence in the most innocuous of situations."

I'll add FRED to the mix.

I'm adding FRED here because I agree with him. I know where I live if a cop shoots someone they are in for all the grief Fred describes and they all know it. It could be the end of their career.

if a cop shoots someone regardless of color

Membership in the elite is all about money and fitting in. Nothing else.

Remember Sonny DuPree? He was over 300 lbs but he was a real gentleman. Give you the sweaty shirt off his back.

Excellent post this week, Jim. I am just now getting to it, unfortunately. Anyway, I apologize if the quote is a bit cliche, but for me, as a Millennial, it really adequately expresses how to deal with all this mess with least amount of suffering:

"It is not a man's duty, as a matter of course, to devote himself to the eradication of any, even the most enormous wrong; he may still properly have other concerns to engage him; but it is his duty, at least, to wash his hands of it, and, if he gives it no thought longer, not to give it practically his support. If I devote myself to other pursuits and contemplations, I must first see, at least, that I do not pursue them sitting upon another man's shoulders. I must get off him first, that he may pursue his contemplations too."

I find that it works if you really understand it. The real enemy is ignorance. Food for thought as an expression of my gratitude for your astute observations. Thanks!

The Higher Ones think very well of themselves and their genes. Notice you didn't respond to who funded Communism.

Pardon the double post. Odd, the words remained in the comment box after having appeared as a properly executed post.

Membership in the elite is all about money and fitting in. Nothing else.

How do you know this, K-Dog?

Have you been a member of the elite? Are you friends with members of the elite?

Voters want to know.

The governor poses as a man willing to make hard choices for the future, but what he actually did was sacrifice the future for the sake of personal political advantage. He catered to national Republican prejudices that are completely at odds with New Jersey’s needs; he cared more about avoiding embarrassment over a misguided campaign pledge than about serving an urgent public need. Unfortunately, Mr. Christie’s behavior is all too typical these days. America used to be a country that thought big about the future. Major public projects, from the Erie Canal to the interstate highway system, used to be a well-understood component of our national greatness. Nowadays, however, the only big projects politicians are willing to undertake — with expense no object — seem to be wars. Funny how that works.

Quote in previous post comes from Paul Krugman in reference to New Jersey's Gov. Christie.

"...it is Zimmerman himself who formed this security force for the community last summer after there had been a number of break-ins and has taken on the title of "Captain" or some such. I haven't heard whether there are other volunteers who go out on patrol or whether Z is a force of one going about in a little dream-world, righting wrongs,..."

It is rumored that Zimmerman donned a black cape when on patrol and had a younger sidekick, ironically known as "Blackbird".

Lead frontpage article in WSJ today states oil supply is flush, Saudi Arabia having made up any losses due to sanctions on Iran, and gasolene prices should begin falling back pretty soon.

All is well. Keep up the happy motoring.

Also, on CSpan this week, Brian Lamb interviewing the producer and director of a new documentary about the Wall Street meltdown. Notable quote, "Since 2008, $12 trillion has been doled out by the Fed Reserve and US Treasurey to Wall Street Firms and Banks".

And on CNBC they look at us each day with a straight face and tell us the markets are strong.

--WSP7

It is rumored that Zimmerman donned a black cape when on patrol and had a younger sidekick, ironically known as "Blackbird".
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You're kidding, right? If true I'd say he's headed for the Big House. But then again...there's always the insanity plea. hmmm

Not being a communist I do not feel the need.

Then they can ask me but not you. You chose not to answer my last question, so buddy what goes around comes around.

(As a Fascist, I'm neither Right nor Left, but both and neither)...

Oh shit! Vlad exists in a quantum state!


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177965

[quote="lizbethrose"]James, I'm supremely sorry you had such a horrendous time in Seattle. (I don't particularly like the city, but that's beside the point.) I'm surprised you weren't able to find water. First, because summer of 2011 was so rainy and cold all over the state small farmers lost crops and we weren't able to grow anything in our backyard garden. If you''re ever in that situation again, go into a public building, find a water fountain, and fill up your canteen. You can use the potty while you're there, as well. Some of them even have showers, since Seattle is a bicycle city.

Seattle tried to establish public toilets, but they became centers for both drug trade and prostitution and were shut down. They'd been placed in the main area frequented by pan-handlers and the avowed homeless. The idea was well meant, but the people it tried to help shot it down.

Both Pav and I have offered you a place to live and a job. That you have refused both says an awful lot about you, doesn't it?[/quote]

The Ape Answers:

Just give him cash, sl+t, just give him money without asking questions ok ? who cares if "you work hard for your money", I hate you and your "hard work", I want your cash for free, I like freeloaders, I like robbing cash from people who "work hard" for their cash, I like the fight, the contrast, give me all your cash slob, you turd, etc. No morality here, no "justice" here, it is just me and my desires and my will power against yours, and I want to win like a cry baby, who cares if I am wrong and "if everyone were like you the entire society would fall apart", that is what I want, I want to win, that's all, you work and be my slave, I want all your cash. After all, this is exactly what Capitalism, the Free Market and all the right wing "hard work" mentality is all about even though they put it upside down and always blame the workers and those that are doing the real "hard work" as being freeloaders and lazy and wanting the union and such (but who cares, I hate right and wrong dicotomies and morality and people and all things social and political).

And then those right Wing Thugs that always chant about their hard work think they are saying something new and interesting and important: this BS of their Hard Work is just them saying "Oh look how egotistical I am, how I want to keep it all for myself and want to feel smug and morally correct and justified" and all such crap, they think they are expressing something intelligent and important when they are just expressing their basic turdy instinct, the Man Brain at its worst being a thug and fighting, they are expressing the stupidest and the oldest fashion concept, I want mine, I am better than you, I don't want to give you all my stuff for free because I "worked hard" for it, what turds, just punch them in the face and take it away from them, the turds, they want theirs, kill their morality, their idea of correct, their idea of "Objective Laws", the slaves, be a thug and criminal, no refrain anymore, just let it All Hang Out.

Please all freeloaders, rob the cash from all those hard working thugs, beat them up, kill morality, don't be afraid, just be honest with yourself.

Be Wrong and always be on the Wrong Side, make fun of them and their logic and all, try to win losers...

The basis is always A against B, A says the opposite of B, A fights B, A as opposed to B, but both A and B are defined accordingly, are only reciprocally defined and exist only as the opposite of the other, there is no stable middle ground, no objective reference system, the two are each other's reference system and as such are equivalent and both wrong or right (no absolute here, no solution here, no Truth here as truth can't exist when the two items are reciprocally defined and as they can be combined in one item made up of two items, the one item is just a quirk, an arbitrary design, an arbitrary turd, a useless random chaotic piece of crap and piece of nothing and having no meaning and no value, etc.), only the stronger force wins by sheer force and power.

What you said above is correct, but it doesn't answer my questions to you:

Who?
Why?
When?

I already know that almost everyone here is in denial when it comes to this subject. What I'm curious about, does this also apply to you, K-DOG? I'm assuming you read Carroll Quigley. I'm assuming you read Anthony Sutton. I'm assuming you that you managed to put two and two together and that you've managed to form an intelligent opinion. Am I assuming too much, K-DOG?

That's good news and big relief to me WIDESPREAD. It is so good to know. I thought we were actually running out of oil but now I know it was just my imagination and there is nothing to worry about. Do you know how much we were getting from IRAN? Well never mind, it really doesn't matter. If the Saudis can make up the shortage this time that means they can do so forever, right?

And good to know that 12 trillion has been doled out to the banks and wall street since 2008. That works out to about $40,000 for every man woman and child in the country. Some of that should be trickling down to us soon right? With that much money some of it has to I would think.

Such a nice sunny day outside. I think I should fill up and do some happy motoring. I like to let my ears flop in the wind.


read the blog, all of it:

http://instantsingularity1.blogspot.it/

and

http://instantsingularity3.blogspot.it/


THE EIGHT MAN HAS SPOKEN ONCE AGAIN

and read all of nameta9 post on www.ilovephilosophy.com, inside out, very carefully, you have your "Hard Work" cut out for you, and study it all very carefully....

My attempt at a joke - on the order of Batman and Robin. Zimmerman wasn't the only one who monitored the neighborhood. We'll just have to wait and see what his side of the story is. Let the media circus begin. I don't think he meant to kill the boy, but Martin is dead.

Where is the Hispanic community on this? Silent, I guess, because of the meme that Zimmerman was white. According to Gary Gibson, editor of Whiskey and Gunpowder, spent a large part of his youth in that part of Florida. Apparently it's (North of Orlando) a pretty racist place. Gary Gibson is black, btw.

"No one is more dangerous than someone we have empowered to interpret the law and protect us."

I empower myself, and refuse the offered protection, therefore only the lawless need fear me.