Elegy


     A few weeks ago I flew to Chicago, hopped into a rent-a-car, and navigated my way on the tangle of interstate highways to the now mostly former industrial region in the northwest corner of Indiana just off lowest Lake Michigan between the towns of Whiting and Gary. The desolation of human endeavor lay across the land like nausea made visible, but more impressive was how rapid the rise and fall of it all had been. 
     Not much more than 150 years ago this was a region of marshes, dunes, swales, laurel slicks, and little backwater ponds of the huge lake. The forbidding flat emptiness of the terrain made it perfect for running railroad track, and before long much of the heavy industry that epitomized the modern interval opened for business there, downwind from the pulsating new organism called Chicago. The storied steel mills of Gary are gone, and the numberless small shops and sheds that turned out useful widgets exist now, if at all, as ghostly brick and concrete shells along the stupendous grid of highways. 
     The one gigantic enterprise still going was the BP oil refinery, originally the Standard Oil operation, a demonic jumble of pipes, retorts, and exhaust stacks that sprawled over hundreds of acres, with flared off plumes of leaping orange flame from gas too cheap to sell lurid against the Great Lakes sunset in a lower key of rose and salmon pink. The refinery was there to support the only other visible activity in region, which was motoring.
     In a place so desolate it was hard to tell where everybody was going in such numbers on the endless four-laners. Between the ghostly remnants of factories stood a score of small cities and  neighborhoods where the immigrants settled five generations ago. A lot of it was foreclosed and shuttered. They were places of such stunning, relentless dreariness that you felt depressed just imagining how depressed the remaning denizens of these endless blocks of run-down shoebox houses must feel. Judging from the frequency of taquerias in the 1950s-vintage strip-malls, one inferred that the old Eastern European population had been lately supplanted by a new wave of Mexicans. They had inherited an infrastructure for daily life that was utterly devoid of conscious artistry when it was new, and now had the special patina of supernatural rot over it that only comes from materials not found in nature disintegrating in surprising and unexpected ways, sometimes even sublimely, like the sheen of an oil slick on water at a certain angle to the sun. There was a Chernobyl-like grandeur to it, as of the longed-for end of something enormous that hadn't worked out well.
      Yet people were coming and going in their cars from the welfare ruins of East Chicago to the even more spectacular tatters of Gary, where the old front porches are disappearing into prairie grass and the 20th century retreats into the mists of mythology. For a while, I suppose, people were interested that the Michael Jackson nativity occurred there, but that, too, is a shred of history now merging with the fabled wendigo of the Wyandots and the fate of the North American mastodon. You might draw the conclusion that driving cars is the only activity left in certain parts of the USA. Many of the ones I saw in this forsaken corner of the Midwest were classic beaters occupied by young men in pairs searching, searching, searching. It takes a certain special kind of mental bearing to persist in searching such a place for something that is not there.
     I was never so glad to get out of a place than those hundred-odd square miles of soured American dreamland. I was driving too, along with everybody else, on the Dan Ryan Expressway (US I-94), and for about 20 miles or so, from Pullman to the West Loop, the traffic barely pulsed along, like the contents in the terminal portion of the human gastrointestinal tract. This is what remains out in the Heartland of our country: a place so dire that you want to race shrieking from it and forget what you saw there. I have a feeling that its agonizing return to nature - or what's left of nature - will not be mitigated by anything Barack Obama or Mitt Romney might propose to do. I wouldn't want to be around when the driving stops.
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731 Comments

First!!

Basically James, we have lost our equilibrium. Right now the train is being driven by a thoroughly myopic vision. Best, kC

http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/equilibrium-and-the-fall-of-icarus/

post-fossil-fuel-age-inspired blog is coming along (ruthless critique of everything wrong), read here:

http://subversesjournal.wordpress.com/

It's funny how much of our landscape is becoming a testament to overreach and failed business dreams. This is just another symptom that we're well on our way to collapse.

Visit The Leibowitz Society at http://www.leibowitzsociety.blogspot.com/2012/04/greek-diaspora.html for more information and discussion about our continuing collapse into a new Dark Age.

"I crashed the gate...do'n 98...I said: 'Let them truckers roll...10-4!"

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HA.... JHK I see you've resharpened all the tools from your wordsmith toolbag, quite the imagery you've conjured this morning.

When the the driving stops, for some of us the riding begins!

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Hello James, Illinois like the USA is bankrupt. I happen to live upwind from Chicago. We are taking on a considerable amount of mercury and other pollutants from whats left of the Chicago smokestacks. I just smile because I know my government loves me: http://youtu.be/fncvF3cdnnc

That drive around the south end of Lake Michigan is dreary even in the best of weather. If I’m driving an older car I’m always smelling industrial odors that trick me into thinking that the car has vapor lock or is about to undergo some sort of catastrophic mechanical failure.

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Is George Zimmerman "Goy"?

I've traveled this same road many times. Heading into Chicago from the east, the Gary landscape provides a truly bizarre, even sciencefictionesque
gateway to the windy city, as if an alien civilization gone awry once ruled the area. Perhaps a prequel to what's in store for all of so-called Chicagoland (the name itself hints of self-depreciation).

10th!!! But down the road a piece, the hoi polloi gather for the Derby. All is well in Louisville. What depression? 500 to win on number 8 please and throw in a couple of those $20 mint juleps.

Not for nothing its called the Rust Belt.

I remember as a kid going through to visit an uncle, and the huge jets of flame erupting from the steel mill blast furnaces was like nothing I had ever seen before, and I watched in amazement. To me, it was like seeing some prehistoric line of volcanoes or something out of Blade Runner. And it went on seemingly for miles.

All gone now, foolishly sold off to China for a quick, short term profit. No possibility of ever rebuilding such an industry now or in the future, even if we really needed it.

Just rusting, rusting away in the sun and the night.

Dee

Speaking of "Happy Motoring", what do you CFNers think of these Chinese mobile death vans? They seem very practical...and roomy.... Power steering, power brakes, power windows, bucket seats, boom'n stereo system....

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-06-14-death-van_x.htm

To be sure, James. Every town not large enough to hide the collapse on the outskirts where cubicle/office/information technology manager workers do not have to see it holds such relics right on main street. We all know it is there but chose not to consider it. Always waiting for the next big boom, the next big investment opportunity, the next wave of technological wonders to whisk in and 'save us' from getting our hands dirty in the old ways; from actually doing work; to make us appear rich or perhaps, to distract us from not appearing rich. But all we see are newer renditions of cel phones, iPads, computers, electronic gaming or entertainment contraptions; nothing ever to really help us address the incredibly bleak, malevolent future we face. A friend recently confidently and hopefully reassured me that he was positive there would be better, faster, smarter opportunities in everything from medicine to lifestyle improvements coming very soon. I felt a little bad in way reminding him that he might be right but not with 7 billion+ people living in the world; a massive and unrelenting 'correction' is at hand. He was sure that even if that were to happen we'd be OK here in the land of happy motoring; that sort of thing only happens in third world countries. This is going to hit America like a two-by-four right between the eyes.

Been 15 years since I've been in Chicago. They had pretty good
pizza and deli food then. The scale of dreariness you report
is daunting. Try a ride out through the west side of Orlando
on the regular streets, not the expressway. More forbidding
territory, unlike the dressed up routes from the airport to Disney
World that out of town folks think is the real thing.

Wordsmith is right!(write) I wonder where I can get a can of
special patina of supernatural rot for my '65 chevy pickup?

Nice try but no cigar. Indiana is not in such dire condition as this week's post would have us believe.

If Indiana is meant to be a metaphor for our nation, then we are indeed in good shape. When Indiana released its final budget numbers for the fiscal year it showed it sitting on a $1.2 billion surplus.

Ironically, as the middle of the county is rusting away, in New York City, the former Freedom Tower is poised to become the tallest building in the city.

Not that New York City needs millions of new square feet of office space, it is the symbolism that counts.

Maybe engineers working in this new office space will create an organism that will eat strips malls and turn them into fertilizer. One can dream.

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I often wonder what could become of such places if, for a few years, an open migration invite was offered to all in the world - bring a little money, ideas, tools, medical training, etc. One must create something, be self sustaining (no Gov assistance other than a short term tax abatement) and remain there for some time in exchange for all the (few) remaining rights/civil laws we have to offer. It happened before, with all the good, bad and indifferent results, ergo we would really have nothing to lose this time around.

"...but more impressive was how rapid the rise and fall of it all had been."

Exponential growth kinda' works like that. Everything speeds up quite rapidly at the end. A great example is algae doubling in a pond everyday and it takes 30 days to fill the entire pond surface. On day 29 the pond is half full and on day 30 all the algae are saying "What the f_ _ k just happened?". When the system topples over it will be fast and furious.

Enjoy the ride.

Christ. This blog get more depressing by the week. The "oilpocalypse" hasn't occurred in all of Jim's years of moaning about it's impending arrival. Because his pessimism hasn't fully catalyzed into disaster, he instead endlessly focuses on how terrible life and america is in right now! I get it suburbia is a waste land. The buildings are ugly, and people shouldn't live like this. what an insight! Hey Jim - tell me sometime I couldn't have learned by watching "Repo Man" back in 1983.

Too bad he can't spend more time on this blog explain why his wild predictions about peak oil don't seem to ever come true...

Put on Blue Oyster Cult's "Don't Fear the Reaper", and put the pedal to the metal.

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I drove through that area back in the mid 70's and it was terrible then.... little ponds of different colors, none of which looked like actual water. Can't imagine how it looks now... 40 years later!

Whoa, James Howard Kunstler! You brought me back into the fan base with this one. Living in the upper midwest, I have made many a trip to the "Windy City" dating back over thirty years. Is it me, I wonder, or has the energy level of this place since the Ferris Bueller to Michael Jordan hay days all but disappeared? Now I know, it's not just me -- it's you too.

Meanwhile, 40 miles west of Chicago, and as a counterpoint to your experience, my wife and I yesterday had a taste of the coming "world made by hand" as we attended a two-person piano recital in a private home, along with 25 other friends. I couldn't help thinking that this will be the way our culture survives - small remnants of the population keeping alive the music of the masters as modern industrial society goes down the drain.

Btw, you think the midwest is ugly...try mexico city.

A quick note on the subject of the refineries. More often than not, those tall cylindrical features rising up amid a refinery are not, in fact, exhaust stacks as they are often mistakenly identified. Rather, they are the actual rectification columns within which the refining is occurring. A refinery is, after all, just a big distillery through which the unrefined crude oil is separated into its respective distillate parts. Just thought you'd like to know if anyone cared.

Bravo, Jim, that's why I tune-in every Monday morning for my weekly bearings' fix: true, spot-on, cultural observation unalloyed by any p.c. filter, ernestness, prescription, or maudlin exhortation. I really don't need to travel the country anymore to see what's going on. You travel on my behalf and express my incohate feelings better than I would express them. thanx!

Asoka, nice try but look under the hood in Indiana to see how your numbers are accomplished and you will find a state not worth living in. Education, social services, treatment for disabled(mental and physical) a true teapartier's wet dream.

I lived for 45 years in the Mon Valley (south of Pittsburgh), between the rusting steel mills and the flourishing coal mines. Even as they move elsewhere (steel) and mechanize (coal), they chant "JOBS!"
We will thrive, but our grandchildren don't have the skills to succeed without coal and oil.

32nd!

I guess I don't spell very well, "blogpot" lol, sorry about the link to the gospel tune site....or maybe not???


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WORLD CUP: German victory sets up England clash


A fast and furious encounter in Johannesburg saw Germany edge Ghana 1-0 and a meeting with England on Sunday in the knockout stage.

Ghana: 0
Germany: 1

Venue: Soccer City, Johannesburg

Crowd: 83,391

Referee:Carlos Simon (Brazil)
Assistants: Altemir Hausmann & and Roberto Braatz (Brazil)
Fourth official: Martin Vazquez (Uruguay)

Yellow cards: GHA - Ayew GER - Muller

Red cards: none

MATCH REPORT

Despite the scoreline Ghana will join Germany in the last 16 which is no more than they deserved for they played their part in an attacking game which Germany edged 1-0.
But the Black Stars must be wondering how they failed to score considering the chances they created, but a mixture of poor finishing and sound German defending kept their scoreline blank.

Once the Germans scored the goal which took them to the top of the group, and a meeting with their old foes England on Sunday, Ghana lost some of their zest and their opponents easily played out the final half hour.

Yet, it could have been so different in a first half were Ghana gave the German’s plenty of problems with their fast, incisive football dictated by Kevin-Prince Boateng.

But the German skipper Philip Lahm was a rock at the heart of their defence.

But Lahm was involved in the one controversial moment when he cleared Asamoah Gyan’s glancing header off the line which television replays showed a hand was involved.

The only goal arrived on the hour mark courtesy of the impressive Mesut Ozil following a patient build-up. The ball was fed into the feet of the Werder Bremen midfielder who hit a fierce twenty yard shot past a static Richard Kingson.

Ghana though still progress and keep the African flag flying at the World Cup, but will surely have to become more clinical in front of goal if they hope to progress further.

Starting Line-Ups

GHA

22. Richard Kingson
4. John Pantsil
5. John Mensah
8. Jonathan Mensah
2. Hans Sarpei
23. Kevin-Prince Boateng
6. Anthony Annan
21. Kwadwo Asamoah
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13. Andre Ayew (Adiyah, 90+2)

SUBS

1. Daniel Adjei (GK)
7. Samuel Inkoom
9. Derek Boateng
10. Stephen Appiah
11. Sulley Muntari
14. Matthew Amoah
15. Issac Vorsah
17. Rahim Ayew
18. Dominic Adiyah
19. Lee Addy
20. Quincy Owusu-Abeyie
16. Stephen Ahorlu (GK)

GER

1. Manuel Neuer
20. Jerome Boateng (Jansen, 72)
3. Arne Friedrich
17. Per Mertesacker
16. Philip Lahm
6. Sami Khedira
7. Bastian Schweinsteiger (Kroos, 81)
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8. Mesut Ozil
10. Lukas Podolski
19. Jeronimo Baretto Cacau

SUBS

12. Tim Wiese (GK)
2. Marcell Jansen
4. Dennis Aogo
5. Serdar Tasci
9. Stefan Kiessling
14. Holger Badstuber
15. Piotr Trochowski
18. Toni Kroos
21. Marko Marin
23. Mario Gomez
22. Jorg Butt (GK)

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A chess board has 64 squares.

If we start with 1 cube of sugar on square one (2^0), and 2 on square 2 (2^1), 4 on square 3 (2^2), 8 on square 4(2^3), 16 on square 5 (2^5)..... there will be 2^63 sugar cubes on the last square.

If the cubes are 1cm x 1cm x 1cm, how high will the pile of cubes be on that 64th square?

And to think that Chicago proper is considered to be a success among midwestern cities. It's one of the places Detroit wishes it would be. Too bad that's going to happen.

Speaking of the end of industrial civilization, or at least this phase of it, I'm starting to record my students' reactions to The End of Suburbia over at Crazy Eddie's Motie News. Jim's description of how suburbs are named after the things destroyed during construction hit a nerve with some of them. I dedicated Joni Mitchell's "Big Yellow Taxi" to Jim in the post describing that particular set of responses. I'll have more later.

In other topics, I described the prospects for nuclear fusion, continued my retrospective of the first year of the blog, promoted two articles on mine in Examiner.com about science and politics, compared the presidential race to Game of Thrones, reposted a cartoon about 40+ years of presidents striving for energy independence and failing, and posted Marvin Gaye's "Mercy Mercy Me" to show that we're still working on other environmental issues 40 years later. All of the entries have their own music video. Come for the post, stay for the music!

Happy Motoring--for now--from Detroit!

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"There was a Chernobyl-like grandeur to it, as of the longed-for end of something enormous that hadn't worked out well."

Sounds like a PERFECT place to relocate the goons, gomers, and the uniquely Western species' Grandma Greeds from DC. You know, lower rents and all. . . Austerity all the way, hu ra.

Welcome to Gary, Indiana - Our New National Capitol. It has a nice, rhythmic ring to it.

Welcome to America, Welcome to Hell.

The last time I was in Chicago was about ten years ago. I actually stayed in Evanston.

But one fine morning a compatriot and myself decided to really "see" the metro area and rode off on bicycles. First heading westerly to DesPlains area and then riding straight down a combination of Milwaukee and Elston Avenues.

It was great. It was like riding back through time using the status of the architecture and conditions of the neighborhoods as a reverse-chronological history book.

We ended up down at the Loop and made it over to Millennium Park and finished by riding up the Lake Shore trail back to Evanston.

Accept for a few parks and the lake trail the whole area was an insane venue to riding bicycles. All day, about nine hours we accumulated nearly 50 miles.

But we really "saw" Chicago. At least the part where many of the people who used to "make things" had lived. No much commerce is in the form of 2nd-hand stores, loan sharking businesses and liquor stores.

Of some note - there does exist a robust commuter community utilizing dozens of mini-stations that all have bicycle parking. Compared to many urban environs, Chicago ain't that bad off.....

"Too bad that's going to happen."

That should have been "Too bad that's not going to happen." Instead, Detroit is ground zero of the post-industrial future. Anyone care for bicycle tours of urban farms?

I can't believe I typed - "accept" for except....

Senor James the K.,
You've once again borne witness to the desperate last reach for continuation of that which cannot (and will not) be continued.

It's more than a bit disconcerting to see "the good folks" of the FUSA running in circles, pretending that lives of abundance without attention or effort will return if only they bow at the correct altars, mouth the correct slogans, buy the correct crap, or vote for the correct non-choice in a circus-orgy of "freedom and democracy".

This anxiety and psychosis producing behavior is going to lead to "outbursts" that aren't going to be pretty. This is the the devolution that really matters, and one that I'm dreading, but expecting. Americans seem to be especially unprepared for heavy doses of reality, and clinging to brittle complexities is certainly not going to help.

What happens when this is combined with the crushing concerns of ecological catastrophe is anybody's educated guess, but "the center cannot hold".

This is the reason for my anger at cornucopians and hubristic supporters and propagators of the [patently suicidal] status quo. Attempting to maintain something that is inexorably crumbling to dust before our very eyes is delving into some dangerous denial. Healthy grief and "moving on" to face the outcomes of huge predicaments is set aside in favor of false hope.

Will non-believers in this nation of Easter-Island-cargo-cultists be hunted and purged? Indicators say yes, so this is why we might wish for a relatively rapid financial collapse; one way or another [out of thousands] let's get this shit ON and stop with the pretending. (This also allows for the negation of the present power structure that's wealth-based and wealth-enslaving.) It's only gonna make things worse if the extraction and commodification is allowed to proceed to the point where nothing is left to make an eco-integrated human life of.

That could all be prime property but they have not figured out how to move the useless eaters out farther into the suburbs.

One of the old mills in Chitown was torn down and it is a 800acre bare lot right on the lakefront. But it is surrounded by a neighborhood that has one the roughest latin gangs (they also accept white kids) in the country. So kind folks think how much NPV the left half of the Democratic Party Bell Curve is costing the right half?

Answer to sugar cube problem.

2^63= 9,223,372,036,854,775,808.

So the height of the pile of cubes on square 64 will be 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 cm, or

92,233,720,368,547.75 km


Very nice bike blog. Keep up the good work!

"The Modern Interval". I like that! (Is it new? I do like to stay up on the newest trends). So what's next? The Post-Modern Squish?

Don't worry. My fingers slipped, too, so you're in good company.

Gary, Indiana is a pretty sad place. Just looking at pictures of it depress me. And since all the cheap, light crude has already been exhausted, the motor industry is on its last legs. Of course, everyone could switch to mopeds and scooters (assuming the weather is fair and you don’t have kids to transport) but small vehicles do use less gas. Of course, getting people to understand that we are on the downside of Peak Oil is hard. People don’t want to change their lazy habits or their beliefs. Even the imports are getting crummy. Canadian Tar Sands and deepwater drilling show how desperate we are for oil. I even wrote that to Letters to the Editor section of my local rag and someone responded that all the oil we need is on Titan! The respondent claimed oil is made out of minerals not plankton and algae compressed over millions of years (which is the generally held theory).

According to the Jet Propulsion Lab/NASA – all the liquid hydrocarbons (which flow like rivers) are there on Titan just waiting to be extracted. Nobody seemed to mention the practicalities like no manned ship could survive the 10 years needed to travel there (not enough air/food/water to make it). Not to mention the enormous, unimaginable expense of building the ships, the infrastructures required to extract oil, etc. Anyway here is NASA’s link for anybody who wants to see --
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-025

The whole austerity thing is just a trick anyway. Crippling austerity for the many and unparalleled luxury for the top 1%. The Supreme Court’s decision Citizens United has screwed us all. How come nobody investigates Clarence Thomas and Sam Alito? Thomas has nasty tax problems and Alito gleefully attends secretive Koch Brothers events like there’s no conflict of interest there and Scalia is involved in multiple political fundraising activities. Where is that independent investigation? Are we supposed to believe the Supreme Court is above the law? Then again, doesn’t seem like we are ever gonna get an investigation in the 2008 Financial Meltdown either. And if there’s a 7 year statute for that crime, we only have three years left to figure out who should be brought up on charges. I’d investigate the CEOs of those TBTF banks but I guess Congress or the state D.A.s have all been paid off to look the other way.

No justice for us plebs! Just a life of utter grime and misery! So either we figure out how to implement those clean, alternate energy technology or prepare to live in a tent or out on the street, begging for food. Kids would forget what the fossil fuel powered world was like but us adults would fret, remembering those golden decades, joyriding in gleaming cars with fins.

...And already we see it, right here.
The absurd belief that everything can be continued in a "reasonable wealth-hierarchical manner", ad infinitum. Hint: Check carefully for small brain aneurisms and signs of impending dementia...

Truly, but comparison does not spell mitigation or attention these days. (DNA--- does not apply.)

It was a family trip and I was perhaps fifteen. The route to Florida took us five hundred miles east to Chicago before dropping south. I remember the area around Gary. It was a pit then, forty years ago. Dull dirty and depressing. I’m sure it has to be worse now.

There was another family trip many years ago, this one with my family. I had always wanted to see the Watts Towers in LA. It was a week before the Rodney King riots and the drive from the hotel downtown to Watts was sunny and straight, down a main drag. I remember seeing a gigantic liquor store named Tom’s. It had a purple roof. I could not believe a liquor store could be as big as a strip mall grocery store, it struck me as odd. The drive was easy and the air conditioning cool and pleasant. I saw my towers and then we drove back north. At no time did I feel uneasy and people I encountered around the tower were friendly and pleasant. Everyone seemed to be occupied with the business of living and getting on with their lives.

A few years passed and another trip put me and Ms dog in Chicago. I was driving and exploring after visiting the Shedd aquarium. A few wrong turns suddenly had me on Chicago’s south side with streets barren of cars and people. Huge apartment buildings were everywhere and the lobbies of the apartments all had black steel screening over the windows and the only ways in and out were through steel security doors. Around the apartments intersections were guarded by tough looking black men, one to a corner. I feared that if we had car trouble we were going to be in big trouble and hoped the engine would not stop. Never in my life has a place been scarier. I quickly headed east towards the lake but the neighborhood seemed to go on forever. Even when we were back among people occupied with the business of living and getting on with their lives fear hung in the air.

Over the years I’ve been to Chicago a few times, not many. There are nice places there but overall the place is dirty and plain. A place used up having seen better days that will never return. The area around Gary filled with ruins of a better time that was really never all that good was no improvement over the marshes, dunes and backwater ponds. An eternal construction zone never finished which now rots away.

You sure do spend a lot of time in the air and driving around in cars for someone who cries about the use of fossil fuels and the evils that come with that use. Just saying...

The whole austerity thing is just a trick anyway. Crippling austerity for the many and unparalleled luxury for the top 1%.

And an old trick it is, an ancient riddle in fact:

How does the king and his hundred guards keep a thousand peasants working in the fields?


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If you listen to the podcast, you'll find that JHK has a two-word response to that complaint, and the phrase ain't Merry Xmas or Happy Birthday. I don't know how you'd figure he might get around on any wide-ranging lecture tour without using the present infrastructure. After that goes away, what will it matter to him or us?

Circuit ridin' preacher Jim; slouched in the saddle on a plodding nag as twilight descends and a rude cabin comes into view from the tangle of encroaching forest; I can see it now! ;o)

Meanwhile, in the Non-Real world:
Australian billionaire: Titanic II to sail in 2016
(http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505245_162-57424099/australian-billionaire-titanic-ii-to-sail-in-2016/)
"CANBERRA, Australia — An Australian billionaire said Monday he'll build a high-tech replica of the Titanic at a Chinese shipyard and its maiden voyage in late 2016 will be from England to New York, just like its namesake planned."

Yeah, like that will fix it all. Just like Hollowood doing remakes of remakes of remakes, but now in 3D.

Swirling 'round the ol' bowl goes the USA & the World, taking us all along for the ride.

D;)

The Worldly Hope men set their Hearts upon
Turns Ashes-or it prospers; and anon,
Like Snow upon the Desert's dusty face
Lighting a little Hour or two-is gone.
- Omar Khayyam, in about 1100AD, as translated by Fitzgerald.

He drives for our sins.

"...horizontal drilling technologies."

More & more such tech is used for recovery of stranded oil after water flooding of a reservoir has made all other recovery impossible.

Its not really about new fields, altho it is used there for maximum extraction.

There have not been any really big fields found in the past 10 years.

Do some reasearch, go to the oil drum.com and read the info there.

The drive from Pittsburgh, my home now, to my old home down-Chicago, takes me through the very area you write about. The dying decay of a once vibrant industrial area that produced many oil refined type products, including paints, is a reminder of a time gone by. The smell that rose from those smoke stacks was often vile.

Today the ponds and marshes that border the highway leading into the biggest of the midwest cities shows the contrast between the natural and the man-made, which is now only a corpse of brick and steel and concrete rusting and rotting resulting from rain-soaked leaking roofs, and the mold and mildew that invades any abandoned, neglected and unused structure. The ponds and marshes remain, although probably toxic, yet one still sees men fishing off the land bridges between ponds.

There is beauty, yet, also, a distasteful anti-beauty that exists side-by-side around the area.

Thanks for the narration of what you experienced. It was well appreciated.

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Maybe the point of JK's post this week is that large areas of infrastructure the require large energy inputs are being abandoned instead of adapted to or recycled into native conditions.

At least one of the most hard to calculate facets of a "post-cheap energy" world is understanding the economy of previously manufactured materials.

Trying to tend a garden with the hoes and shovels and you got from Walmart is hard enough. Trying to make a garden out of a poisonous, paved plethora of rusting structures and lots in next to impossible.

It's going to take a lot more energy to "transition" to low-energy infrastructure than most of us realize, and we may have indeed already passed the point of no return.

Remember this: Like all the picked-over easy-to-get oil fields, all the best geography for living has been "picked over" and left in shit-storm shape for any future generations.


"The desolation of Human Endeavor oozes across the land like 'vomit'".

There fixed it!

Jim, you may as well call it as you really see it!

Thanks for you observations...

I've been obsessed lately with looking up Census stats, and this post made me curious about Gary, Indiana. The numbers are just astonishing.

Pop. % Change
1910 16,802 —
1920 55,378 229.6%
1930 100,666 81.8%
1940 111,719 11.0%
1950 133,911 19.9%
1960 178,320 33.2%
1970 175,415 −1.6%
1980 144,953 −17.4%
1990 116,646 −19.5%
2000 102,746 −11.9%
2010 80,294 −21.9%

From monstrous growth to near complete collapse in the space of a century. Wow! Just, Wow! Take a close look at the decline from 2000 to 2010. Even the Nazis couldn't manage to decrease the population of Stalingrad by that amount.

'A few years passed' ....And NOW most Black Men are unemployed and white youth also is facing a similar fate.
Glad I live where theres an ocean on one side.
What large US city does not have slums and a growing
'Minority'? [whites will be a minority, so I put marks around the word, minority being 49% or less].

Do you see how much Chinks LOVE copying Whites?
they are building a 'copy' Alpine Village in China.
But the TITANIC? By a White?
Theres a whole city that copies White Art, thats where hotel paintings originate.
MILLIONS OF PAINTINGS, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO FILL SPIDEYS BILLIONS OF SKYSCAPERS.

Not sure what country you live in there T, or even what planet but apparently your planet has unlimited natural resources and growth can go on forever. See, on this planet we are running out of same at an increasing rate. Peak oil is about the peak of CHEAP oil. We will never ever run OUT of oil, it will simply just become too expensive to obtain, as will the high quality raw materials needed to build yer iPad.

So what's the surprise?

They rape the land. They rape the people. They rape the ideas and ideals of the Enlightenment. They rape and pillage everything and anything they touch. Now this mafia incorporated has truly gone global, and there isn't a safe place anywhere.

Oil is not the problem. The problem is the US gov mafia. The problem is you pathetic disgusting fuckers that constantly enable this mafia by going along with the program. The problem is YOU.

Yep. Check out Gary In. on Reator.com
Houses from $2000.00
350 S. Hamilton
2 story brick. 2500 sq. ft. built 1948
Says it needs a litte clean out and TLC.
Lots of charm.

But contrast that with foreclosed central, Los Vegas. Everything under $75,000 is under contract to investors. I suppose the hedge funds are using borrowed money to rent the homes back to the Muppets who serve drinks, wash dishes and deal cards to those with some cash left.

That is the biggest line of crap and BS I have read on this blog. "Fracking" is absolutely unsustainable and unprofitable without huge inputs of venture capital and oh by the way. You can forget about clean water.

pretending that lives of abundance without attention or effort will return

=============

Such melodrama! You really need to try living in the rural third world.

In the USA we are living in abundance. You don't have to go outside to shit in a latrine. You probably have running water, and it probably includes hot water on demand. You have electricity? Much of the world doesn't. Ozone, you don't know just how much comfort and abundance you have.

He drives for our sins.

I can't stop laughing. I'll bet Jim can't either! Good one.

Glad you're starting to come to your senses. Blacks have begun to savage Whites even along in the heart of the City, the miracle mile. The media says nothing, but finally the story got out. And they were furious - saying what does it matter what the race of the "youfs" was. Well it matters if you're White and trying to stay alive. And it matters if you want to try and solve the problem. And it matters if you're trying to catch them too. I mean giving descriptions without giving the race is a dead giveaway... It matters.

Someone got his letter published: the media is trying to hide what's going on to avoid a mass panic among Whites as happened decades ago in Detroit.

The points JHK makes this week are subtle, like the impressions one gets from viewing art. The canvas here is city decay. Kunstler concludes with:

"I wouldn't want to be around when the driving stops."

Twice I mention "people occupied with the business of living and getting on with their lives". The place I had blundered into where driving had stopped as was a place where people had no more business to live for. It was a place where getting on with their lives could mean messing with ours.

Perhaps beyond the ugliness and decay people not occupied with the business of living and unable to get on with lives is what will define the clusterfuck and make it truly horrible.

Note the subtext: Asoka wants those conditions for America too. We must pay! Pure Frantz Fanon, Malcolm X, Reverend Farakahn, Barack Obama, etc.

A correction:

The place I had blundered into where driving had stopped was a place where people had no more business to live for.

K-DOG FTW! LULZ

The current jubilance over the natural gas surplus will evaporate
like lacquer thinner when the immediate puff of supply rapidly
dwindles at each new effort. These are not vast caverns of pressurized NG folks, but little cracks in the shale. -still, investment in holdings and pipelines will be profitable.
Meanwhile, there will come a day when printing money to pay
for our oil imports will not work. There is no happy ending to
real life. You die. (good luck to you jesus people)

Quite true. Look at how the Maya exhausted their land. Or the ruins of the Anasazi who left when the Southwest went dry. Towards the end, the Romans weren't even leaving their fields fallow, no slack at all - too many people.

Humanity is operating in crisis mode for the most part. The Icelands, Balis, and Switzerlands have become the exception. Their laid back but sophisticated approach to life is what is so desperately needed.

I don't live in the US. I want the Vatican/CIA imperialist mafia incorporated dead and gone.

You need to grow up and take a responsibility for your action, or lack of. You need become a citizen, instead of a US gov mafia automaton, a fascist/nazi muppet, a corporate serf, a "consumer", a cog in the imperialist machine.

gary indiana gary indiana gary indiana ...

forgot why he went there .

You're right: we must get the dual Israeli Citizens out of our State Department. They are responsible for our current crusade in the Middle East. Bring the Troops home and put them on our Southern Border.

I looked at some 2011 video footage of Gary; a local historian said that the only growth industries are "strip clubs and truck stops."

I'm guessing they are out on the Interstate, because there's not a single hotel left open in the city, the reporter in the video claimed.

What a disaster. Detroit, Gary, Cleveland, etc.

Just wait, though. Without oil, the Sun Belt's sprawling metropolises soon will look like those up north, but even shabbier. At least Industrial Age architecture looks good in ruins.

We have regressed to the pre-revolutionary state where Divine Right is used to justify the ruling of the King (Supremes)and his Nobles (the Corporations). They can decide elections and impose their economic strategy (make themselves as rich as possible). The exported jobs are the equivalent of the peasants being punished for daring to hunt a rabbit that crossed their hovel.

They do all this and then laugh in our face (see Romney the wannabe Supreme Leader of the "Free" World.

"only growth industries are "strip clubs and truck stops."

Obama should go there and talk about jobs. The secret service will be happy to go there and make sure the coast is clear. Since there are no hotels anymore they can do 'it' in back of the fine reputable establishments and not break the new rules.

Asoka, Indiana also leased (effectively sold) its turnpike to foreign investors. I find that disturbing - in many ways as disturbing as selling off prisons to private firms. So please np paeans to Indiana. The notion of the "commons" is disappearing in the US. What can one expect when the buck becomes the almighty as it contemporaneously goes down the drain as a proxy for value. Such a dichotomy cannot bode well.

Power which cannot be justified is illegitimate. Power has no divine rights and must always be proving itself to be legitimate.

current crusade in the Middle East
==

Why just the Middle East? Get the fuck out of Europe, Africa, Asia, the Pacific, South America, and take your fucking McDonalds and rest of them corporate predators with you!

Only about 2/3rds of fracked natural gas is currently sold. The remaining third is flared off or otherwise lost to the atmosphere. Flaring off the surplus gas is how the oversupply is being dealt with.

The speed at which industry/technology moves has left in its wake a new paradigm that requires a new understanding of how human lives and settlements mutate in response. The old notions of farmers and craftsmen is worthless in dealing with and describing what is happening around us. To merely gloat over what seems to be a harbinger of universal destruction is the work of a fool. What is needed is a realistic understanding of the way forward while recognizing that to those who benefit hugely from the status quo will apply their fortunes to preventing any humanistic approach to devising a new political framework. We await an neo-Lenin to provide the vision. Jim doesn't make the grade.

I mistakenly read a usual scroll-by. WOW, the conclusions people reach when trying to deny our collective circumstances!

Back to [ab]normal; thanks, I feel better. ;o)

It is not an individual we need. We need a change in zeitgeist, a new awareness. Part of that zeitgeist you have articulated.

"What is needed is a realistic understanding of the way forward while recognizing that to those who benefit hugely from the status quo will apply their fortunes to preventing any humanistic approach to devising a new political framework."

Your assessment is correct and shared by those who understand the problem well.

Gary sounds almost as moribund and forlorn as the webpage for your speaking schedule list. Any chance of an update, Jim? Or better yet -- stepping up the appearances to once a month and putting something in the Boston area on the program. If you want to sell books, you have to hit the circuit a little harder while there is still gas to get from city to city.

JHK's carrying on and on, ad infinitum, about "how bad it all is" is very unhealthy... for him personally as well as all of his readers.

The sane and high level survival approach would be to obviously confront and observe our collective mistakes but not to dwell on or focus upon them because that is wholly non-productive. Sanity and high level survival require that one focuses on solutions and policies to prevent a repeat of past errors.

If all you think about and focus on is the negative and condemnation and criticism of others... then that is what your life will be filled with. It will build up in your psyche and then soon start to cause deterioration of one's health and personal life.

Ok, JHK. We get it. Mistakes have been made, we have serious problems to solve, etc. So how about becoming solution oriented? Utilize your wordcraft skills towards the positive. You'll get a lot further uplifting people instead of depressing them.

Stay away from those who dwell on negativity. It is a derangement.

Focus on the goodness and the positive and solutions and improvements and how amazing life is and all the potential humanity has to offer, and we'll all be a lot better off.

What's the difference between a pitbull and a hockey mom?

Come on Vlad. Put Metuselah back to bed with Mika. I do applaud you for not bringing Mika out last weekend,
but now you're doing the same thing with Metuselah.
Stop being such a putz!

Humble Harv

I did go back and read what you wrote and you did not answer the question. Perhaps you did not understand so I'll make it more clear.

Do you think that the peak is anything to be concerned about?

I saw his smarmy comment last night. Good to know I've got him running scared.

K-dog for president.

And I just gotcha for everyone to see.

You have no response to my point except expletives. In other words, you acknowledge I'm right. Thank you for your honesty.

"The desolation of human endeavor lay across the land like nausea made visible, but more impressive was how rapid the rise and fall of it all had been." This was exactly what I felt on my last visit to the Windy City three years ago. Of course, you could have used the same words to describe southeast Michigan, southwestern Ontario or a dozen other places that not that long ago thundered with the roar of heavy industry. You could imagine my surprise when I arrived in Chicago and discovered a beautiful, vibrant city in the midst of all the decay. On my last visit to Chicago back in 1985, my impression of the city was a place that was in the advanced stages of rigor mortis not unlike my hometown of Detroit. That's all changed in the last quarter-century and Chicago's downtown has acquired a very European vibe. Go Figure.

Harv, Harv, Harv - I thought you were different! But now you're starting to take his side. Blood is thicker than water as they say.

Don't get me wrong, I still like you. Just as I don't hold it against Woody for ditching Mia for My Ling or whatever her name is. Mia herself put out for the Maharishi so who is she to complain?

Using my Joke against me: can you spell DEE-Mon?

And this is just in the Bakken play. The situation is the same in the East Ford and Marcellus shales.

http://205.254.135.7/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=4030

Frack and flare!

Makes sense to everyone else.

Where's the honesty, Vlad? You're talking to yourself; Metuselah is merely one of your "other" handles. Putz...

Producing a warm but not fuzzy feeling.

I'm not taking anyone's side. I'm only pointing out these "conversations" of yours are a fraud. The ones with Mika and Metuselah anyway.

It's a nice day up there today isn't it? Go take a walk in the woods; that's where I'm heading anyway.

Harv

I wouldn't elect you dog catcher. You'd start organizing the dogs against their masters. Four legs good, two legs bad and what not.

All your male followers should lift their legs to urinate so they can know each other in men's rooms across the land.

I don't want your vote, so we are both happy.

You are a Dee-Mon. Don't forget to read both sides of your Talmud page today. You've been falling behind I hear.

I see you've read some George Orwell, very clever.

I gave you my response, you fascist/nazi blue-eyed devil-dog. Go lick your Roman masters' hands. Enjoy their sleight of hand of Joo this and Joo that, Israel this and Israel that, while they steal everything in sight. Go to your pederast fuck-buddies in the Vatican, they're calling you.

K-Dog, nat gas producers may end up having to double the amount of fracked gas they're flaring now in order to sufficiently raise prices to profitable levels. They're under enormous pressure from the venture capitals who loaned them the money.

"Sell it. Flare it. Out-gas it to the atmosphere. We don't care. We want our money. NOW!"

You can't deny my point,Vlad. You won't lie directly, which is commendable. But you lie indirectly, which is not.

As discussion is drifting away from the neighborhoods between Whiting and Gary I'll leave for a while and return to my life. Insult away detractors and dissemblers I won't be defending myself for a while.

That's not how the game is played. You have to work for my vote, pretending to like me all the while. If you refuse to play, you wont win.

150 years of history - that's the real kicker. England has several cities like this on the verge of total irrelevance - listen to "Ghost Town" by the Specials to get an idea of what the old industrial cities of the U.K. are like - but these cities lasted for several centuries before their decline. Ours didn't even last two centuries. At least Liverpool and Manchester have a pre-industrial past buried under all that smokestack rubble. As Jim would say, there's no medieval Gary to look for.

The Michael Jackson nativity - good one! :-D

I'm starting to dislike you Harvard. Harvard was founded by the Puritans but White Males are the most underepresented group of all now. Plenty of Joos though. Just coincidence, right Harv?

Now you're trying to be me. Are you that insecure about your own identity? You are a candidate for Stockholm Syndrome. But sorry, I don't want you.

I've reduced you to a raging frothing at the mouth beast. I win again. It's too easy with you.

Vlad,

Your style here is to obfuscate when you've been caught with your pants down.

My favorite Harvard grad of all time is Henry David Thoreau. Who's yours?

"In wildness is the preservation of the world."

That's where I'm heading now. Have a nice day.

Harv

The only attractive Leftist of the post War era. An old fashioned Nationalist Socialist. Would have been horrified at the destruction of England by the Labor Party via mass Paki immigration.

You've reduced me? You've reduced me?! WTF! I suppose putting people in ovens and stealing their gold fillings was a soring hight for you, you cold-blooded vatican blood-thirty vulture.

Alan Dershowitz - a staunch George Zimmerman supporter.

Thoreau was a rare good White - no interest in his Nation or People. Just like you like em. Industry and Media should be left to Jews. Whites should be like Eloi or Spencer's (not Tolkien's) fairies. And of course you control the Morlocks. And we know who they are, right Harv?

Thoreau was a beautiful writer with a divine sensitivity though. I have read Walden many times. But Edward Abbey was a better rounded man who cared about his Nation. One of the first Environmentalists (and still the best known) to call for an end to the Mexican Invasion. His "Environmental" (Leftist) friends were shocked. So they lauded him and ignored his indiscretion. Meanwhile the Sierra Club took a massive bribe from David Geldbaum (Money Tree!) to shut up about the environmental carnage being caused by the Invasion.

Understand? You people are winning because of our corruption, not through your own intrinisic worthiness. And of course you work to corrupt us more and so on. You know your business in that area, I'll grant you that.

Harvey, tell him to stop. He's making you all look bad.

Wasn't Ed Abbey a New Mexican?

Just for kicks - suppose 10 square miles of area just north of I-80 and bounded by Lake Michigan were currently in a state of "non-development."

With only I-90 and a railroad passing through the area; what would be in the news?

What existing political/business interests would be pitching zoning or developing dreams?

Would it new tracts of McMansions? More Big-Box stores? Another spacious new airport or lake port?

What would go into the areas JK describes if they were not in their current decrepit nearly unusable conditions?

Now there's scenario that would reveal a lot about just what the current status grow is......

But then again you may have to think before you answer, never mind.

A few weeks back one of the cable channels had a documentary about the 1893 Worlds Fair and the 'White City' in Chicago, back when the future was bright, the sky was the limit, the US was on the verge of becoming a World industrial power, and anything seemed possible. 20 million people visited that Fair, mesmerized by features like electric lighting, internal combustion engines, and telephones.

That was over a century ago. Much to everybody's surprise, 'the future' didn't work out so well. The industrial epoch proved to be a temporary thing. Nobody gave any thought to what would happen when it was over. It seems the places that were industrialized the heaviest in the early 20th century are the places that are the worse off now.

--WSP7

The founder of Cleveland, surveyor and Rev. War Brigadier Moses Cleveland, is buried in a nondescript grave in a lonely little patriot cemetery in Canterbury, CT (pop. 4000). I wonder what he'd think of his namesake city now?

--WSP7

"Accept for a few parks and the lake trail the whole area was an insane venue to riding bicycles."

ACCEPT - METAL HEART - RUSSIAN ROULETTE - STAYING A LIFE!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGQun6WsmWc

Prolly should be 'Except', and 'for' ('to' riding bicycles) or mayhaps 'for bicyclists'. (Q would be so proud in his millionaire mansion, collecting his $5-6k/month pension, his $1-2k/month IRA/401k dividends/withdrawals, and his $1-2k/month SS [not to mention his medicare/medicaid] - money *TALKZ*)

I grew up in various places in Illinois, during the 70's/80's (Q-Dad was a Cat exec, Aurora/Decatur/Peoria/Pontiac). I remember going through ChiTown in the mid 70's, and seeing/stopping at all the Howard Johnson oasis' spanning the Tri-State Tollway. And seeing/smelling the hideously scary energy generation plants (refineries?), spewing clouds of New Jersey-like burning soybean scent-age (sewage?).

I always used to go out of my way to avoid the I80/90/94, by taking the I39/70/74 instead. In the mid 80's, I used to have a G/F who lived in Blue Island, just a few miles south of the Cabrini Green projects. Don't miss that hellhole of festering rot at all...

"The founder of Cleveland"

Anyone who hasn't seen the following Cleveland Tourism video yet, MUST DO SO NOW!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM

Gary, Indiana: Lines More Obvious Than Nice

'Today Merrillville is reportedly the largest incorporated town in Indiana. See generally Part ... non-white majority in Gary from fifty-three to seventy percent, and..........'
You get the picture.
Wonder who Gary was named after?

Um, yeah, Indiana cannot possibly be fucked up because...Michael Jackson was fucking born there! There you have it! The second coming of Jesus F'n Tap Dancing Christ grew up there, so Indiana is a garden of Eden! Yeah, Asoka, for reminding us of how really swell Indiana is, especially MJ's hometown of Gary is. For the rest of you Clusterfuckers, read about how swell Gary (and the surrounding area is) in a book called "Fast Food Nation". Jeez, it's good to know that Asoka didn't forget to take his "stupid" pill this morning. Back to the mud hut with ye!

Asoka looves it there, too! I think his favorite spot is Tijuana! His excitement is that soon all of the U.S. will look like it. The Stupid Fuck!

Doesn't matter where you tell him to look, NB. You see, he knows ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING. He subscribes to all religious beliefs and is basically a citizen of the world...no borders...that is, no borders for the USA. The rest of the world is smart enough to keep dumb fucks like him out (except maybe some little pueblo in Equador, where he probably blew the immigration officer in order to build his newest mud hut!)

K-Dog, JHK's elegy is not simply in memory of the heavy industry that once was integral to Gary and Whiting, Indiana. It truly was "America's Yokohama"; alas, it is no more. But his elegy is also in memory of a heritage lost, three and four generations of steel, chemical and refinery workers, their families and their robust working class culture.

Poor Appalachian - forget which state.

Ah, but don't forget, Our Clive is a true-blue Straylan, who, being from the Land Down Under does all of his thinking while standing on his head.

Stop! In The Name Of Love

lyrics © Warner/Chappell Music, Inc., EMI Music Publishing

"He drives for our sins."

I knew you were running, but WTF did U do here?!? Dogz for Romney?!...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp0tyxGgSyE

And what do my fellow Straylans think of Our Clive's plan to build TITANIC II?
To find out.......Click here!

Always tough not to get so sentimental, isn't it? Sometimes, we might need to find beauty in the breakdown. However, anyone NOT willing to deal with change will certainly suffer. But those who CAN let go of their ignorant desire to avoid change and predetermined set of conditions ARE perfectly able to find peace in all the madness. To struggle is human, but to suffer is a choice. "When we are no longer able to change a situation - we are challenged to change ourselves." Viktor E. Frankl, Auschwitz Survivor

I enjoyed reading your post; it was intelligent and rational. Sounds like you have a good understanding of what's really going on. Based on your comments, I hope you post more.

You are correct to state that those with power and money are invested in maintaining the status quo. The status quo is wasting our financial, physical and emotional resources while traveling along a blind, dead-end path. We need to divert these resources along a road that solves our issues.

Among some of the actions we need to take are:

Legalizing all recreational drugs. Cheap drugs would free up a gigantic amount of money currently going to drug cartels.

Withdrawing our military entirely from the rest of the world. We could then cut the defense budget by several hundred billion dollars annually.

Stop bailing out too big to fail corporations. Prosecute and jail all guilty executives who raped and plundered the middle class illegally; also include all politicians who abetted them, up to and including the president. Forgive existing mortgage debts and start all over again the right way.

Amending the US Constitution to require a balanced budget, term limits, including one for the Judicial Branch, and a more rational approach to campaign contributions.

Mandating a big increase in mileage for our automotive fleet, to become effective in 2 years (auto makers will scream, but they can re-tool very fast if pushed). Banning 24-hour commercial signage and ostentatious outside home Christmas decorations. Constantly preaching energy conservation at the individual level.

These reforms ought to buy us the time we need to develop plentiful, clean alternate energy sources (e.g. fusion and solar power), and to devote massive funding for research and development of increased food production, NASA, medical/disease solutions and other scientific endeavors.

I realize there's an extremely low probability that any of this will come to pass, but I think these courses of action, or something similar, give us the best chance for our civilization to continue and prosper. I also realize these actions would cause - at first - great strife and unrest. But otherwise, we will go down because of a lack of energy resources, environmental destruction, global warming, pandemics, overpopulation and nuclear war or accidents.

Finding it necessary to take a break on the road to nowhere ,you might find yourself sitting in an American icon of fast food delight.Don't make eye contact as this might deflect the inner angst that emerges from a wasted soul.Dumbed down to any true essence of truth their faces grimace in a sort of contorted acceptance of a required pain.You might describe them as zombies with character. If you watch them leave you will notice they seldom tidy up their pile of half eaten burger and napkins fallen to the floor. Maybe its not from a lack of good manners but just that the anxiety of an awaiting confused tomorrow leaves them little energy to act appropriately in the present. When you see them drive away there might even be seen a suggestion of a smile.They are back on the road to nowhere ,but at least they are moving and this mere act gives some momentary solace.

Too much of a good thing [toys and govt] led to debt and bankruptcy.
Plus we have too many of the wrong kinds of people
[the asokaites, what me worry?].

"I mistakenly read a usual scroll-by."

LOL, funniest poast *EVA*!!! I did like the following, tho - quite humbling, to those who can comprehend:

"It's more than a bit disconcerting to see "the good folks" of the FUSA running in circles, pretending that lives of abundance without attention or effort will return if only they bow at the correct altars, mouth the correct slogans, buy the correct crap, or vote for the correct non-choice in a circus-orgy of "freedom and democracy"."

"If all you think about and focus on is the negative and condemnation and criticism of others"

You act as if pointing out X, Y, and Z problems provides no solutions. It does, as follows:
1. Pointing X, Y, and Z out allows others to *investigate* and *ponder*
2. Illustrating these problems leaves debate-space, to determine whether there is any truth to the matter.
3. If these problems are real/true, then their solutions obviously come from the LOGICAL NEGATION of them, albeit 1st order, 2nd order, etc...

I need to grab some more spearmint from the yard, for my next mint julep (Heaven Hill 6yr BIB)...

I hear Fort Wayne is lovely this time of year. But I'm sure Gary and Gacy are too.

Titanic 2: a good metaphor for the way Australia is aping the lunacy of the United States. Now shut up, Ozy, and give me all your gas!

"Your style here is to obfuscate"

Soker-puppet, you put on quite a show today, and I *applaud* U!!! U go, grl!!!

Gary, Indiana was once a thriving, middle class town that employed lots of white and black blue collar factory workers. Then, you guessed it, an exodus of factories fleeing to China, India, etc. and a massive immigration of Mexicanos, Chicanos, etc. There you can smell the stench of rotting beef and chicken carcasses smothered in their own excrement roll down assembly lines. Then the animals are butchered under conditions that would make Upton Sinclair blush. Hamburgesa and Mcnuggets are (quarter) pounded out by the nanny second, all courtesy of our greedy corporations. And no, most Americans won't work there, so luckily the corps illegally traffic in workers from Mexico. The town of Gary is a stinking pile of poo. The Mexicans don't mind it so much, though, because it is better than the shit holes they've just left. Viva la Reconquista!

Jim, Delightfully creepy post this week. Reminds me of the time I was shipping on the lakes as vacation relief wheelsman aboard Bethlehem Steel's thousand footer the Indiana Harbor, and we pulled into Indiana Harbor itself, to discharge a massive load of taconite pellets, probably 50,000 tons. Being an actively drinking alcoholic at the time I was not content to remain in my cabin so I walked "up the street" to go get a drink. To get out of the steel mill complex there I had to walk through this vast deserted sulphurous pedestrian tunnel, thinking the whole time that I was a goner if anyone showed up to rob me. Fortunately no one did and I eventually returned to the ship with a snout full. That was in 1989 and steel was still being made there in a mill complex far larger than that on the Cuyahoga River in Cleveland. People miss that world now but who in their right mind would want to work in such a place? Yet I have customers at the barbershop who swear that working in the steel mills was the ideal "man's job". I guess I'll just have to take their word for it.

"Dumbed down to any true essence of truth their faces grimace in a sort of contorted acceptance of a required pain."

OMG, LOL - Pink Floyd is coming to concert (Roger Waters) here...

Elegy indeed. I urge readers of this column to take a virtual tour of Gary and environs, including BP's Whiting refinery, via Google Map's street view. It certainly corroborates JHK's grim assessment.

It is unremittingly dreary. All the more so because it seems we don't possess the collective will, imagination or know how to replace it with a more civilized habitat. Is this our legacy?

"Legalizing all recreational drugs. Cheap drugs would free up a gigantic amount of money currently going to drug cartels."

Yeah, and also currently going to federal govt, state govt, and local govt prosecuting users and dealers... That kinda smacks of a GDP deficit to me!

Ma'am Gaia has pulled the trigger on the clathrate gun!

You didn't correctly duplicate what I wrote. I wrote...

"The sane and high level survival approach would be to obviously confront and observe our collective mistakes but not to dwell on or focus upon them because that is wholly non-productive."

There is no argument there. The operative word is DWELL.

People don't want to hear on and on about the problem... they want to hear about the solution. Unless they have a macabre love of things negative... like JHK.

People who just dwell on the problem become part of the problem.

Moving on.

Is the near term described in a 1912 book: "Under The Prophet In Utah" by Senator Frank J. Cannon- Romney's playbook?

Is America's story wrapped into "The Woolsorter's Plague", something akin to a description of low-tech ways & means of equalizing status of world powers?

Taken together, does this literature lead into reactionary events spelling the end to Mormonism and Islam, respectively? And corporate capitalism. Cause & effect. Does violent and horrific upheaval become the only way America shifts transport policy (legacy railway matrix rebuild) back into line with homeland energy supply imperatives?

Nothing to particularly recommend railways to the modern mind -unless cooler heads assess railway's ability to tie the Union together when every other mode is dysfunctional/kaput.

Winston Churchill said "Something Extraordinary Is Afoot" as the Battle of Britain/Battle of the Atlantic got under way. We ain't seen nothin' yet...

Dreary stuff from JHK as (almost always) usual.

Agree with StinkyPants that no solutions are ever offered by said author. Tho' he's plenty smart enuf to dream them up.

Additional dig: JHK jets around/drives around an ***awful lot*** bashing everyone for burning petroleum...is there a disconnect going on there?

peace peaceniks

"People don't want to hear on and on about the problem... they want to hear about the solution."

You obviously didn't read my entire (point #3) poast.

"3. If these problems are real/true, then their solutions obviously come from the LOGICAL NEGATION of them, albeit 1st order, 2nd order, etc..."

When we are clearcutting way too much land, when we are bulldozing off the top 6-8 feet of topsoil *LEFT* of said-same clearcuts, When we pour off prescription drugs/fertilizer/pesticide/herbicide into the soil/river/water tables - at what point do we reach that "LOGICAL NEGATION"?!?

OK, I just gotta shout out, "PROPS JHK!!!" My fav line,

"They had inherited an infrastructure for daily life that was utterly devoid of conscious artistry when it was new, and now had the special patina of supernatural rot over it that only comes from materials not found in nature disintegrating in surprising and unexpected ways, sometimes even sublimely, like the sheen of an oil slick on water at a certain angle to the sun.."

The schizoids add up, but *not* beyond their *SUM*...

welles, JHK has offered several solutions, most notably the complete rebuilding of the U.S. passenger railroad system, and the rebuilding of local and regional food growth, processing, and distribution systems, and local manufacturing industries.

Another good week, JHK. Thanks as always!

"its agonizing return to nature - or what's left of nature - will not be mitigated by anything Barack Obama or Mitt Romney might propose to do. I wouldn't want to be around when the driving stops."
-YEAH! What he said!"

It may be that the Gary/Chicago region is unique for the vastness of its squalor. Because there are ruined human spaces like that all over most of the country, if you know what to look for.

There are several myths essential to the American dream. Eternal cultural mixing is one. So is the myth of eternal progress. Add to that the idea that we as Americans have the mythic right to abandon our ruined landscapes - and often to abandon our ruined people - as we move on to some new "progress," and we have an "eternal" mess.

But nothing lasts forever, does it?

Speaking of myths, I posted this link late last week. I think it's worth a repost, for the new visitors to the CF Nation.

http://www.theatlantic.com/past/politics/foreign/divers.htm
"The Diversity Myth" -The Atlantic-

"... those with power and money are invested in maintaining the status quo. The status quo is wasting our financial, physical and emotional resources..." -BTB-

Outstandingly excellent post, Bill.
The only thing I would add is that the United States needs to lead the way toward global population control, by controlling our own immigrant fueled population growth FIRST.
https://www.numbersusa.com/content/

I have been to the Chicago/Gary area several times. But it's not just the Chicago area that is devastated. I live in Rockford Illinois just west of Chicago. We used to be known as the 'Screw Capital' of the world. We had several companies that employed thousands of people each in the machine tool industry. In the 1920's we had the highest per capita income in the nation. Virtually all of the Industry is gone. I travel quite a bit around the country, and no matter where you go you hear the same thing,"We used to have a lot of good paying jobs and now they are gone". Now in Rockford we are known for our crack houses and the highest crime rate in the State. Areas that were once safe to live in are almost war zones after dark. The State of Illinois is broke, and so is Rockford. And what is our answer? An eight million dollar "River Walk" that is supposed to revitalize our Downtown district. It's only about the tenth time they have tried some gimmick and it never works. It would be commical if it wasn't so damn sad. We lost Passenger Rail Service in 1981. The day after it was gone someone decided we needed it back. Now after doing several Studies, and then Studies on the Studies, it looks like we may get it back - 33 years later in 2014, but I'm not holding my breath. The vast majority of people I know walk around with their head in the sand. You cannot even engage them in a serious conversation about what is happening in this country. I come here for my weekly touch of reality. The Long Emergency is one of the best books I have read. Thanks Jim for the eye opener.

Jim, talk about irony!!! Just this morning I checked the CFN site for this week's post -- and I ended up previewing your Photo Essay from Winter 2012 showing the Industrial Ruins of My (your) Little Town (Greenwich, NY). As I previewed the decline and decay, it reminded me very much of the state of my hometown -- Gary IN as it continued its decline. Later today, I see that this week's commentary is on just that topic -- decline and decay in Gary, Indiana.

Sadly, Gary is in a more advanced state of decline and decay than your hometown of Greenwich, NY. Gary experienced the added ignominies of rape and pillage of the public purse by crooked politicians who ultimately, "killed the golden goose."

Fellow CFNer's, we have the same goings on in Washington D.C. today which occurred in Gary over the past four decades. You want to see images of America of the future, look at images of Gary, Indiana today....

Utterly unbelievable images of what was former grandeur. Gary was known as the "City of the Century" after it was built in 1906. Alas, it only lasted about 50-60 years. View these sad images at www.forbidden-places.net Urban Exploration. Gary, Indiana Ghost Town.

Matt,
It took me a couple of tries to get your link to work. Compelling stuff, once I did.
How did this happen?
Who is to blame?
http://www.forbidden-places.net/urban-exploration-gary-indiana-ghost-town#gal2
No problem with overly bright Christmas displays at this church, Bill.

"The schizoids add up, but *not* beyond their *SUM*..."

What on *EARTH* are you talkin' 'bout, *son*? Bwahahaha!!!

"The vast majority of people I know walk around with their head in the sand. You cannot even engage them in a serious conversation about what is happening in this country. I come here for my weekly touch of reality."

Amen!!! *BROTHER*!!! That's the *rub*.

Jim, Jim, Jim. As a devotee of the Chicago rust belt, a place I'll never leave, I must ask, have you never read Jean Shepard, on the wonders of Hammond, Gary, and the South Side of Chicago, which he called "Hohman"? Here's a bit:
"Ours was not a genteel neighborhood, by any stretch of the imagination. Nestled picturesquely between the looming steel mills and the verminously aromatic oil refineries and encircled by a colorful conglomerate of city dumps and fetid rivers, our northern Indiana town was and is the very essence of the Midwestern industrial heartland of the nation. If Chicago was Carl Sandburg's City of Broad Shoulders, then Hohman had to be that city's broad rear end.
According to legends, it bore the name of a hapless early settler who had arrived on the scene when the land was just prairie and Indian trails. Surveying the sparkling blue waters of Lake Michigan, he decided that Chicago, then a tiny trading post where land was free for the asking, had no future. Struggling through the quagmires farther south, for some demented reason now lost to history, he set up camp and invested heavily in land that was destined to become one of the ugliest pieces of real estate this side of the craters of the moon, Indeed , it bore some resemblance to the moon,in that the natives were alternately seared by stifling heat in the summer or reduced to clanking hulks when the fierce gales blew off the lake. Out founding father set the pattern of futility for all future generations."
Just sayin', have a bit of a sense of humor next time you come to town. We do.


My fav from JHK this week:

a demonic jumble of pipes, retorts, and exhaust stacks that sprawled over hundreds of acres, with flared off plumes of leaping orange flame from gas too cheap to sell lurid against the Great Lakes sunset in a lower key of rose and salmon pink. The refinery was there to support the only other visible activity in region, which was motoring.

Reminds me of the "Pollution Poetics" of Monet, Whistler, Turner in painting the Thames.

Two fixes would restore our country in no time.

First there is PLENTY of oil left. We have shale oil galore plus all the oil offshore. If we could just expel all the greenies this country would be a big time exporter in no time.The traitor libs want America to die I guess.

Second we get back to God. I know you atheists laugh at this but it is true. when America turned its bck on God our troubles began. Abortion, Darwinism, and drugs are no substitute for a personal relationship with Jesus.

It's becoming very clear what four years of liberalism has done to our country. The rot is everywhere. Now is time to turn the tide.

"This is what remains out in the Heartland of our country: a place so dire that you want to race shrieking from it and forget what you saw there."

There is a lot more than that: where I live {it may be differiented as fly-over} the farms go on for miles. The only buildings a single family homesteads, and barn or sheds to park equip. or hide hay from the rain. The is lots of game and fishing, wild foods abound if you know what and when to harvest.

This country is huge. Some over-occupied or over-developed stains {age marks?} on the earth's skin will require some time to heal, but most of it is only six inches deep.

We need to divert these resources along a road that solves our issues
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It's not going to happen. Not without a revolution. A revolution against serfdom to the corporations, the banks, the gov mafia, and the agents of ignorance and propaganda.

@Asoka, Don't be so optimistic about Indiana. Check out "In Nothing we Trust"

http://www.nationaljournal.com/features/restoration-calls/in-nothing-we-trust-20120419?mrefid=site_search&page

the place called Middletown as a microcosm of AmeriKa.

Dentist pulls out all her ex-boyfriends teeth while he was unconscious. Read the comments: women love it.

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I've been spending the past eight years driving through various parts of Gary, as well as through most of the cesspool known as Northwest Indiana.

At least Kunstler got lucky in getting a frozen picture of what's been happening. Throughout Gary, I've watched a lot of building get burned down, many brick facades start to fall from the top, umpteen million windows (and quite a few doors, which tells you the houses were gutted and are now used by homeless dope heads) busted out and all sorts of business - from pharmacies to grocery stores to even liquor stores and payday loan centers - close up shop. Gary USX is still going strong (indeed, it seems to be the core of what's left of United States Steel in the US) and there's plenty of trucking concerns along the expressways, but what's left in the over-expansive tract of land known as Gary is rotting away. Indeed, the so-called "reconquista" has disappeared from within Gary, with but a few reminders here and there in names and places.

East Chicago is still a happening place, but the industry is disappearing from the place. LTV 1 (now Arcelor-Mittal 1) is ever-so-slowly being torn down, and I never saw a factory complex get dismantled so quickly as the US Tank Car factory was in East Chicago.

And Chicago itself? It's been built up in some parts, but the soul seems to be disappearing from it with nothing to compensate – either in the city or in Suburbia. Certain rich areas are holding on to what they've had (Halsted with its rainbow heart seems to be both holding and expanding), but the place where the intellectual who only cares enough about money so that they don't starve or become homeless to hang out have pretty much disappeared with no place left for them to go to. Daley's attempt to flash-honkify the southside (AKA chase after the Olympics) has left the city hurting; being in Illinois (Thanks Blago) isn't helping.

I remember reading how Latter-Day Rome spent its time imitating the past intellectual masters instead of trying to build on them, and it showed in their weariness of soul and weakness of mind. Maybe that's how things end – the intellectual life dies and the rest of the body politic waits for the inevitable.

Hey BNSF, how about this: We'll agree to you railroading those millions of tons of Wyoming out to the Coast and on to China IF you will 1)Cover the coalcars so they don't dump hundreds of pounds of coal dust on our neighborhoods and into our lakes and streams, and 2)Electrify the entire line so that the lumbering diesels don't pollute our atmosphere with particulates and CO2, and 3)Double track the whole route so that our passenger trains aren't left waiting for a gap in the continuous stream of coaltrains carrying our national resources to the other side of the world. There to be burned in primitive power plants that send more global climate change right back at us. Profits now, destruction later.

And NO, making a $5,000 grant to NPR is not enough, you greedy bastards.

Gary, by the way, was founded in 1906 by the United States Steel Corporation as the home for its new plant; and named after the lawyer and founding chairman of U.S. Steel, Elbert Henry Gary.

Think of it: 106 years from founding to colossus to rotting shell. At least Flint had some time as a small town before it exploded.

Jim Kunstler has written about 'traveling in Canada and the barns / farms are well kept. Then getting home and on our side of the border the barns are tumbling down!
He was seeing the decline while traveling a 2 lane road in upstate NY or New England.

Yeah, that's what I've said in earlier posts.

As bad as it is at least Gary isn't leaking radioactive particles into the Pacific Ocean and the atmosphere of the entire Northern hemisphere. Plus its not threatening to collapse during the next earthquake, causing the further release of thousands of times more fallout from the plutonium contaminated spent fuel rods sitting in the wrecked storage pools suspended 100' feet off the ground inside the radioactive ruins.

If you havn't heard about this clear and present danger it might be because the nuclear industry doesn't want you to know and, unlike you, they own NBC news.

Population control should be on everybody's mind as a rational course of action. I'm no raving nationalist, but the type of globalism as is happening today has taken its toll. Rational globalism - meaning interactions between the world's peoples in the face of a rapidly shrinking world - is in fact desirable and inevitable. However, that requires careful management on a planetary level, and not as a tool for increasing the wealth and power of the current elite. In a truly peaceful, advanced civilization, sovereign states may not be necessary, but local restrictions, wealth and cultural preservation should be. I guess my view of what globalism could be is not being pursued, but it ought to.

It's a ruse we're trying to get close enough to pee on his leg.

yes, right you are. An elegy remembers someone who has died or something that is in the past and is no more. His elegy describes "numberless small shops and sheds that turned out useful widgets exist now, if at all, as ghostly brick and concrete shells...". The shells peeling paint broken and boarded up windows are the physical relics of a vanished people. But that's all you can see driving over disintegrating pavement at thirty five miles an hour. Ghosts may watch as you drive by but all that shows of them and their forgotten lives are the rotting shells of structures they once called home. Perhaps when the land is once again all marshes and dunes will they rest in peace.

WTF?

i was really disappointed with the last 2 podcasts @ union college. i have the highest respect for jim's message, but he came across as a crotchety old gas bag. i felt bad for duncan. rather than spewing the same bitter old message over and over, perhaps it would be wise to connect with more contemporary points of light. to wit, nick bostrom.



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I think you're right Jim when you say the only discernible activity left in the USA seems to be people driving around in cars. Round here gas is $4.10 per gallon and still there are traffic jams everywhere. Where the hell is everybody going? No planting, no harvesting, no manufacturing, no fishing, no mining ... even the ball fields where we played as kids are unused and vacant.

However, on US44 in Canton, a massive outdoor shopping mall was recently built, and across the street from that a 250 year old farmhouse (Home of the town's founder) was torn down and a strip mall is going in, anchored by a CVS Pharmacy "Superstore".

--WSP7

"The greatest misallocation of resources in human history..." -JHK

Amazing lack of respect for history, and a blatant tearing down of social boundaries and tenets. (Not to mention the foolish destruction of long-viable farmlands.) It just gets uglier and uglier, and in the long run, what will it all have been for? No one currently in the business of building these blights is answering that question; all they ever refer to is "tax revenues" and "jobs". Alrighty then, somebody give me a ten-year prospectus on all this; thanks a pantload, hope you made a big enough pile to finance the flight of the fuckwits.

How does the king and his hundred guards keep a thousand peasants working in the fields?

Brainwashing! Tell the peasants that they too will be kings if they just keep working for the King, without questioning his wisdom or authority. Once the peasants are convinced of this, reality no longer matters.

Read you 5x5, Dawg.
Tootsie can find his way back to his own fetid fucktard den now. (I think it's under a rock somewhere.)

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Thanks, Harv.
I don't believe they're allowed to lie about "who they are"; but can lie all the live-long day about "issues", as it's not only their job, it's S.O.P.

Very similar M.O. to vice cops who may not legally deny they're cops when entrapping hookers; thus the subject-changing, veering and steering. (It's not: "Yeah, I'm a cop", it's: "Do I LOOK like a cop? Heh-heh.")

It's all about plausible deniability in case of [what would be well-deserved] future prosecutions.

His future is one bathed in blood and lies. His "side" has the mission of tearing down their own house. Where then will they shelter? With the ruthless, insane and psychopathic? Sounds like a fuggin' hoot.

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Excellent comment.

This is also why I don't prefer to slap a smiley face on every crisis and label it "an Opportunity!".

Some things just have to be internalized so we can get on with adjustments to them or prosecute the fight with dispassionate intensity.

Ix,
I'm thinking that you and the Stinker are both vying for the attention of the same girl! ;o)
Whose personality will win the heart of fair maid??

(Your points are very valid to me, and generally the way I go about problem solving.)

Heaven Hill, eh? That was my Dad's favorite! (He was very stingy with the stuff, liking to dole himself a little tot or two of an evening.)
Life's too short to drink lousy whiskey... Enjoy!

...the name says it all: Maker's Mark...'course, if you want the top shelf, Glenlivet be a dram to be sought...! how goes the day, by the way? keepin' that iron over the mantel blue, i trust? and, well, doing yer best to abey the rust...

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1:军 用 原 装54式7.62mm/枪 价 格:8000元(送50发 弹)

2: 组 装54式7.62mm/枪 价 格:5000元(送50发 弹)

 3: 自 制 式54式/枪 价 格:3800元(送50发 弹)

 4: 军 用 原 装64式7.62mm/枪 价格:8800元(送50发弹)

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CFT,
A perfect day for rust; but a much-needed rain is soaking in well.

Is it a good day for the continued dissolution of the industrial wasteland? Depends on the perspective, mebbe.

"...The old machines yearn for the dreams of eternal rust;
In the punched-out windows vacant stare, I bleed in the grease and dust;
And the night falls; and the rain comes down..."

Ps.
Got me a tuning hammer for the pianer; better get out the whiskey, it's the only way to make this "process" bearable! ;o)

um, yeah...i was trying for cute with the rust; basically i just meant 'gittin' some?'...but yo, that s a kewel little bit o' rhyme- provenence? and on subject: here in the nashville area, the only real industry is that of music; whether one believes it to be declining would depend on how one feels about country music- hank, or hank jr, bill monroe or dixie chicks, for example- and some of us associate country music and the UT Vols with bullies, and see it all as a decline...perhaps inevitable when profitability is (held to be) more important than the quality of the artform...i for one prefer live music in a smaller venue than a fecking footbal stadium, for chrissakes- one where you can see just what the guitarist did there...

It just gets uglier and uglier, and in the long run, what will it all have been for? No one currently in the business of building these blights is answering that question; all they ever refer to is "tax revenues" and "jobs".
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It's a racket. Another in a long line of imperialist rackets. There's no thought towards the quality of life of people. There's no thought towards even basic esthetics. There's no thought towards the impact on the environment. There's isn't even any thought given towards any real utility. It's all about raping everything in sight to make profit to be send to the corporate headquarters and the shadow Vatican aristocracy.

Internet takeover in the offing. Already passed the House. They're keeping on the Qt with maximum speed.

http://truthtellers.org/alerts/ProtestCISPA_NewFedInternetTakeover.html

So blow it up, right O? Five anarchists caught trying to blow up a bridge in Ohio:

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/01/11485641-5-anarchists-nabbed-in-plot-to-blow-up-ohio-bridge

Humanity is operating in crisis mode for the most part. The Icelands, Balis, and Switzerlands have become the exception. Their laid back but sophisticated approach to life is what is so desperately needed.

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I would add Costa Rica (pura vida) and much of South America. You've got this right Vlad... we need to happily embrace energy contraction and enjoy all the wonderful gifts of life that do not depend on oil or money. Embrace permaculture and the Long Emergency will improve your quality of life.

LESS IS MORE. The USA is far behind the rest of the world in realizing this truth.

Did you like to pretend that your toys had a secret life of their own after everyone went to sleep? Me too.

What is rust but the blood of metals? It's not easy to be iron. And that is why gold was a symbol of eternity - it rusteth not. Even silver has problems. But not gold.

Great. I'm coming down. I want to have lunch or should I say brunch (bruncha?) with you and Dee. I hope you two get along for my sake.

You are right about this aspect of Life. We of the West have too much ambition and hubris along with our good qualities. So we are always doing and undoing unto death to paraphrase Cummings. Alan Watts said he never heard a Commentary from the pulpit about Christ's "Consider the lillies of the field. They toil not nor do they spin, but I tell you that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed as these."

According to you Asoka the US is behind the rest of the world on just about everything.

Iceland is an island country of less than 400,000 people, all Vikings. They were hit the hardest by the world meltdown in '08. I've read they have returned to commercial and subsistence fishing in a big way, which they probably shouldn't have left to begin with.

--WASP7

Internet takeover in the offing. Already passed the House. They're keeping on the Qt with maximum speed.

And guess who is threatening to veto this bill? Yes, President Obama. But you make no mention of this; it would undermine your agenda.

Ah, the sweet science of the propagandist.

I have a feeling that its agonizing return to nature - or what's left of nature - will not be mitigated by anything Barack Obama or Mitt Romney might propose to do. I wouldn't want to be around when the driving stops.

The incessant drizzle of media terrorism drips on as Barack and Mitt the twit lines us up at the rendering plant door. It's a daunting challenge to think anything can be done. Despair and hopelessness are cultivated by the media daily. Exactly what the PTB want. They prosper on the way down if dogs fight among themselves when we should be concerned with the health of the pack and meat for all dogs.

I'm preaching to the choir but if the choir were bigger good things could happen. Perhaps with this featured content you can wake up someone and they can smell the poo-poo before we all step in it.

According to you Asoka the US is behind the rest of the world on just about everything.

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If you would take off your jingoistic glasses, you would realize the USA is a corrupt, violent, has-been nation obsessed with material things... like guns and ammo (in God we trust? I don't think so!)

And it's not me saying the USA is so far behind others in the world. All the objective international rankings say so.

Yes, "you might draw the conclusion that driving cars is the only activity left in certain parts of the USA" when you don't bother to do anything but drive through them.

I have three generations of family in this area. The people living in Gary (and EC, and Whiting) are facing huge financial and social problems, true, but I find your perspective in this post reductive as hell. If you're so very curious about what people could possibly be doing in such a desolate area, get out of your car and ask them.

Hope Louise takes this week's epistle to heart and gets out of Chicago. It's not going to be safe for Whites when Obama loses in November.

I didn't know Buck. But it is out of character for him since he signed the NDAA. Guess he's trying to shore up his Leftist Base who he has disgusted.

Sorry you're stilling trolling for him though.

You seriously think Obama will lose to a Mormon millionaire who has no core values and strapped his dog to the roof of his car?

Asoka saith, "And it's not me saying the USA is so far behind others in the world."

"We are men to the extent we love our people and our God. And we are inhuman beasts when we abandon our people and our God."

I might add "our land" but it would just get you off into a rabbit warren of genocide, warfare and false hopes to get people looking at the past and ignoring the future.

Ix....

I'm going to see Roger Water's "The Wall" in SF next week!

Real estate is location, who your neighbors are is part of that location. So how much real estate would be available if the neighbors were nice? Literally 30% of the Democratic base is destroying real estate value better than if the USSR had won the cold war by nuking our cities.

And ironic that a Democratic president is now basically the head of a lynch mob of blacks out to further destroy property values. So in a hundred years we went from President Wilson who praised the lynch mob justice of the south to a president who inflames the black lynch mobs of 2012. Ironic indeed, intergration has failed.

For proof of my last post see World Star Hip Hop the website for videos of the black undertow that not even the majority black city of Chatham, IL wants in their middle class burg.

JHK can complain about us cracker jesus freaks but we do our drugs with some semblance of peace and we usually only shoot our guns at targets with a safe backstop. And when our meth stills blow up they just remove a cracker or two from welfare rolls, but we move on with our lives without much caterwalling.

A news story caught my eye today about recent studies indicating the number of newborns birthed in the US with drug withdrawals triples in the last decade (with the alarming footnote of an addicted baby born every hour http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/general/view/201205011_addicted_baby_is_born_each_hour_in_us_report_finds/srvc=home&position=recent)

JHK has adequately noted in past renderings the observed whole classes of tattooed, no_skills, non-contributors, presently shoring up the social fabric. Now imagine the pleasant future, with the soon to be shredded economic safety nets, their special needs and addled offspring coming along to take up a meaningful existence.

"...a rabbit warren of genocide, warfare and false hopes to get people looking at the past and ignoring the future."
-MD, to asoka.-

That is mostly all Revs. asoka, Sharpton, and Jackson and those of their ilk have to offer anyone, these days - when it comes to healing past divisions, or addressing honest progress for native born US blacks.

- on Iceland

WSP, someone mentioned Iceland, Switzerland, and Bali in the same post, as places where things were better than in the US.

It's interesting that what you said about Iceland being nearly 100% Viking descendents - is mirrored in somewhat similar homogeneity in Switzerland and Bali.

Bali sounds like a great place, one that is likely to remain peaceful regardless of Global Sh*t Hitting Global Fans:
"Unlike most of Muslim-majority Indonesia, about 93.18% of Bali's population adheres to Balinese Hinduism Hindu Dharma, formed as a combination of existing local beliefs and Hindu influences from mainland Southeast Asia and South Asia." -wiki-

One logically HAS to ask how much of the collapse visible in the United States is due to the failing social experiment that was called "multi-culturalism."

A lot, that's for sure.

"the name says it all: Maker's Mark"

I've got a 1.5L bottle of that stashed away, for barter (heh). I find it to be a candy-flavored whiskey variety, great for making Manhattans without needing any vermouth/cherry juice. I prefer 'dryer' whiskeys, with nice flavor hints, rather than sweet ones.

And here, the Heaven Hill 6yr BIB runs $10.60 a fifth... Hmm, starting to get thirsty now!

The USA is far behind the rest of the world in realizing this truth.'
Luxury goods, cars and SUVs are 'selling like Hotcakes in China, Asia!
Granted Chindia has nearly 3 billion peeps......but
once more yr assertion is false.

Ozone and Vlad -

On anarchists blowing up bridges -

It's obvious already that these guys were NOT the sharpest tools in the anarchy toolshed.

So - how much of a "plot?" would they have hatched if it had not been for all of those FBI agents putting ideas in their hollow heads and furnishing them with "non-working" explosives for their "plot."

Probably not much of a plot - but we'll never know, will we.
Better safe than sorry, and all that.
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On a somewhat related note - what sort of imbecilic pedophile thinks that there are ANY 12 year old girls hanging out on websites and talking to old pedophilic geezers.

Mostly it seems to be law enforcement agents from the level of local city cops up to the FBI level - pretending to be 12 year old girls who are pretending to have a hankering for pedophilic geezer groping.

At what point does law enforcement CREATE the crimes that it seeks to prevent?

And at what point can what are essentially "thought crimes" be treated and prosecuted as real crimes?

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And yeah, in a proactive note to any FBI agents who may be monitoring this webspace - I'm glad any time a real bomber or a real pedophile is taken off the streets.

And I don't know any persons in either category.
Not even on CFN - -

I *think.*

Thus demonstrating that the internet may be the last best hope for mankind - at the same time that it may become mankind's greatest curse.

Jury's still out, on that one.


The dogs are out in Seattle, more later on my phone,

Anarchist thugs broke windows and have done thousands of dollars worth of damage to the Niketown and the American Apparel storefronts in downtown Seattle. A group of black clad self proclaimed anarchists did the damage and apparently for the most part managed to doff clothes and blend into a large crowd of peaceful protesters. The local conservative media is blaming it on the re-emergence of the occupy movement the dogs of which are now waking up after a long winters nap. May Day calibrations continue with a march which should be starting right about now (3 PM). The media covering the festivities lamenting the attack on the innocent corporate citizens and cashing in.
Financial institutions were also targeted. Wells Fargo had windows smashed and the Bank of America was a vandalism target. Smoke bombs were set off and windows smashed at the Seattle Federal Courthouse.

Within two hours of being attacked the vandalized storefronts were being cleaned and broken windows were in the process of being boarded up with fresh sheets of plywood. Apparently trouble had been expected.

Besides thousands of dollars of property damage to our nations corporate citizens windows were also smashed on parked cars along the street. It’s sad that the property of private citizen dogs was broken in the melee.

correction, should be:

The media is covering the festivities and lamenting the attack on the innocent corporate citizens while they cash in.

Speaking of dogs, K, here's a strange story.

Atlanta Humane Society (AHS) adopted out (round numbers) 5,000 animals last year.

Less than 1,000 came from the Atlanta area.

The other 4,000+ came from other states. Some came from the Bahamas, via south Florida. AHS vehicles, manned by paid AHS staff, and burning gas on the AHS nickle - made these long trips.

Meanwhile, 6,500 animals were euthanized at the Atlanta City Animal Shelter, which is only two miles from Atlanta Humane Society headquarters.

And the AHS collected $4,000,000 in donations, just last year, to help animals from

-wait for it-

ATLANTA.

The takeaway - apparently abundant petroleum allows illogic and cross-state animal "multi-culturalism" to rule the day, even in the pet adoption biz - and to the detriment of native born Atlanta animals. Strange, right?
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/iteam/I-Team-Atlanta-Humane-Society-Animal-Origins

Truly bizarre, if it were happening here I'd think the Gates Foundation was one of the donors or on the board of directors. Myself I'm still looking to be adopted.

Oh yes, Catalina Islands 'cat clean up' cost millions! 20K per cat?

The rest of this is at CITY JOURNAL:
PIT BULLS DROVE MY FAMILY FROM THE BRONX. MY PREGNANT WIFE AND I HAD MOVED TO BEDFORD PARK, OFF MOSHOLU PARKWAY, LATE IN 1997. THOUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD ROUGH EDGES, WE GOT USED TO IT, AT LEAST FOR A WHILE. AFTER OUR SON WAS BORN, HOWEVER—AND AS SPRING BLOSSOMED, AND WE VENTURED OUTSIDE MORE OFTEN—WE FOUND OURSELVES GROWING EVER MORE FRIGHTENED OF DANGEROUS DOGS. PIT-BULL OWNERS HAD CONVERTED THE LITTLE PARK IN FRONT OF OUR APARTMENT BUILDING INTO A DOG-TRAINING GROUND, WHERE THEY GOADED THEIR ANIMALS INTO ATTACKING ONE ANOTHER OR TAUGHT THEM TO HANG FROM TREE BRANCHES TO STRENGTHEN THEIR JAWS AND THEIR TENACITY. NOT SURPRISINGLY, WHEN THE DOGS WERE RUNNING WILD, THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S YOUNG MOTHERS GATHERED UP THEIR CHILDREN AND FLED. SENIORS COWERED TOGETHER ON A FEW BENCHES. LIKE THE MOTHERS, OWNERS OF SMALL DOGS WAITED UNTIL THE PARK WAS PIT-BULL-FREE BEFORE TAKING THEM FOR A WALK. THE PARK HAD BEEN LOST AS A PUBLIC SPACE, IMPOVERISHING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE DOGS HAD TAKEN OVER MORE THAN THE PARK. WALKING DOWN 204TH STREET OR PAST THE GONE- TO-SEED LOW-INCOME HOUSING ABUTTING THE METRO-NORTH BOTANICAL GARDEN STOP, WE REGULARLY RAN A GAUNTLET OF THUGS FLAUNTING SPIKE-COLLARED PIT BULLS, BESPEAKING A WORLD OF ANARCHY AND DREAD. AS A FRIEND AND I WALKED HOME ONE SPRING NIGHT, WE SAW THREE STOCKING-CAPPED TOUGHS SLOUCHED AGAINST A CHAIN-LINK FENCE, BARELY RESTRAINING A THICK- NECKED, SNARLING PIT BULL. MY HEART RACED, UNTIL I NOTICED TWO YOUNG COPS WALKING IN OUR DIRECTION, JUST BEYOND THE BAD DUDES. MY RELIEF WAS SHORT-LIVED. "IT'S A FULL MOON, AND DOGS GO CRAZY IN THE FOOOOL MOON," ONE OF THE THUGS HOWLED WILDLY, AS HE LET THE PIT BULL LUNGE TO THE END OF HIS LEASH AT THE COPS. A CONFRONTATION SEEMED IMMINENT, BUT THE TWO OFFICERS NERVOUSLY CROSSED THE STREET TO AVOID IT. "I GUESS WE KNOW WHO WON THAT BATTLE," MY FRIEND GLUMLY NOTED, AND WE CROSSED THE STREET, TOO.
AFTER A RASH OF UNSETTLING INCIDENTS—INCLUDING A TORNADO OF EIGHT UNLEASHED PIT BULLS SWIRLING ACROSS THE PARK AND THE SAVAGE MANGLING OF OUR NEIGHBOR'S SMALL MUTT BY ANOTHER LOOSE PIT BULL—WE DECIDED THIS WAS NO PLACE FOR A BABY, AND WE LEFT. WE HAD LEARNED THAT INTIMIDATING DOGS CAN IMPAIR A NEIGHBORHOOD'S QUALITY OF LIFE AND GIVE THE SENSE THAT NO ONE IS IN CHARGE EVERY BIT AS MUCH AS DRUG DEALING, PROSTITUTION, OR AGGRESSIVE PANHANDLING.

Most dogs are not very self reflective and do whatever their owners want them to do. It's a fact of life that most dogs don't know right from wrong and do whatever their owners tell them. We all want to please our owners so owners need to be responsible for their dogs. While their are exceptions it's usually good dog good owner, bad dog bad owner. It's a sick human that teaches a dog to be mean.

As Vlad has noted, different breeds of dogs behave differently due to their DNA.

May Day at Tel-Aviv Beach

- http://youtu.be/Yc3EDEveUzs

Not too many blue-eyed devil-dogs. Thank god.

Yes unlike humans heredity has influence on dog behavior. With humans environment and socialization has much more to do with it.

Here's info on human DNA I'm sure Vlad knows nothing about.

"Not too many blue-eyed devil-dogs. Thank god."
-mika, lacking a "G"-

Nice video, Mika. Is it yours?
That's actually a crowd that looks more European/American - than do large sections of Europe or America, these days.

At minutes 3:00 and 5:00, there were a couple of female blue eyed devil dogs that caught my eye.

And clustered around minute 6:00 was a rather tight looking cluster of black folks, clustered together as tightly as they would be doing in most other countries, IMO. Being US-centric, I have an insanely powerful urge to call them "African-American."

That can't possibly be right, though. ??

And some nice looking aviation equipment, too - mostly US made, although that last cluster of fighter jets could have been French made.

Interesting video, though. Good looking crowd.
Thanks for sharing.

No, that's not my vid. I live in Haifa, not Tel-Aviv. The aerial show was for Israel's Independence Day from the weekend. We do have African-Americans. You'll find many of them on Israel's basketball courts. :D

Jewish-African-American-Israeli??
Wow, that's quite the set of hyphens.

Heheh. And a lot of passports to keep updated.

Vlad will be flipping at the "racist inequality" and "privilege" that these blacks enjoy. LOL.

Right. Dogs are influenced by their genetics but not humans - except for gays of course cuz they're "born that way". Do you have any idea how stupid you sound?

Blacks are the pit bulls of the human species. It's natural to want to get away from them.

Good review of the Rodney King incident and the subsequent mayhem. The Media is largely responsible for the injuries, ruined businesses, and deaths since they distorted the coverage from the get go. They never showed the full video but only the part where King was being beaten. The cause was ignored of course. They were completely unrepentant and of course have done it again and again. This case in particular has striking parallels with the Rodney King case.

http://amren.com/news/2012/05/20-years-after-the-la-riots/

Do you know about the VanJones connection to the creation of the riot? Thru the [new?] commie party?
Van was just here in the sustainable city for earth day, what a fukin laugh.

Well I was never a Math Wiz but when ya add 100M to 200M, thats a 50% increase in the population, none of the left will call it Environmental Suicide, but we will.

Just for you. There will be a quiz so study up.

The Human Journey


OMG, I spent all day mowing/trimming what little grass I have, and pruning fruit bushes. After I showered, I ventured out with 3 goals in mind:
1. Get a pouch of Drum roll-yer-own cigs
2. Recycle $1.40 worth of cans/bottles
3. Buy some tonic water

So, I hop on my 18 speed mountain bike with bottles strapped, head to the 7-11, and wait in a 7-person-long line for at least 10 minutes. They had 2 cashiers, but one *inexplicably* vanished into the ether. The family in front of me consisted of 2 adults, and 3 children aged 5-8. They spent $25 on food and drinks, and talk about eating/drinking *PURE POISON*. They had a 6-pack of the corn syrup sodas from the fountains, the hot dogs, bags of cheese doodles, and pizza. I whuz feeling *SO* sorry for those kids, eating that toxic sh!t. Not only that, but they could have gone 1 block in any direction, and been at a decent teriyaki/Indian/Chinese/Mongolian/Mom&Pop Diner/pizza dinner for much less, with leftovers and some *nutrition*. Hell, a Subway was 1 block away, and they could have gotten 4 foot-longs for the same price.

I *finally* got my smoke, and headed to Albertsons (bad idea). 3 of their 4 recycle machines were totally down for the count. I whuz slamming the machines with my arms and feet, and finally decided waiting was not worth my time. I had planned on getting more tonic water, but the machines were telling me the last batch I bought were not *legitimate* recyclables. I dumped the cans/bottles, headed to the front of the store, and noted 5-6 person lines in every active aisle - even the self-serve ones. I shouted obscenities and swore I'd never shop there again, as I left.

On the bike ride back home, I caught glimpse of the classic AmeriKKKan stupidity. I passed by a young couple, holding hands, each of which were on their own cell phones, talking to *SOMEONE ELSE*. I shouted at them, "WTF - you're both on cell phones and holding hands?" while cackling like a madman.

Ah, yes - the good ol' US of @$$HOLES.

"Good review of the Rodney King incident. ... This case in particular has striking parallels with the Rodney King case."

Gee, really, *DR GENIUS*? Fill us all in, plz (your mind whuz wandering)...

"So - how much of a "plot?" would they have hatched if it had not been for all of those FBI agents putting ideas in their hollow heads and furnishing them with "non-working" explosives for their "plot.""

Hasn't that been *business as usual*, for the slippery triple-letter-acronym boys? I mean, didn't they do just that sort of thang, back during the '80's Russian/Afghanistan war? Didn't they do something similar in '90/91, when they told Saddam it was OK to go after Quwait, as they illegally vertical-drilled into Iraqi territory? Hasn't that always been how they get leverage - infiltrating "cells" and planting information that they can later act upon?

Sounds to me like exactly what happened in the couple years prior to 911 (2001). Plant ideas, let them seed - and then *RETALIATE*.

Business as usual, for at least 60 years...

Ixnei, your problems are threefold:

1. You smoke.
2. You recycle.
3. You buy stuff at 7-11.

Its simple really.

Turn your back on those three things and your life is 100% better for it.

Recycling is kind of a genuflection at the end of a long process that begins with your mind imagining there is something at 7-11 you want.

Its a ritual action that implies that, by recycling, you are maintaining the system.

In Freud's parlance they exploit your anal fixation by exploiting an underlying, near-universal concern for one's own waste products.

Perhaps Zen is necessary to understand these persistent illusions because 7-11 is a Japanese corporation.

The cigarette thing is just incompatible to health in general. The price of the pack of cigarettes is largely a payment directly to the state and local government.

Good thing Japan is standing by to mediate this social relationship.

Taking a break from rounding up dolphins in shallow water and lancing them to death I suppose.

Chen Guangcheng. Can he recycle, too?

How does a blind man know which bin to put his rubbish in?

If Ixnei stops smoking does it mean he will stop "hacking"?

Exiting computer code land and entering a stranger realm.

Buy some tonic water???????????????????????????

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I brew my own carbonated water, but not sure how to *infuse* it with sugar/quinine (not sure I even *WANT TO*)...

Hah, smoking 3-4 cigarettes a day is not a problem - if nothing, it adjusts yourself to living a *SMOG-INFESTED* lifestyle. No?!...

"does it mean he will stop "hacking"?"

Thou doest give me too much credit. My hacking days ended *way* be4 those of Zero Kewl. But most *solutions* still run amok in my zero-sum, minimax optimizations...

Giveth - "Thou doest giveth" - *my bad*.

"Giveth - "Thou doest giveth" - *my bad*."

What on *EARTH* are you talkin' 'bout, *BOY*?!?


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Villa ace Ireland in f-word spray at manager McLeish


Aston Villa midfielder Stephen Ireland was embroiled in a touchline bust-up with manager Alex McLeish during defeat to Newcastle United.

The Sun says Ireland told his Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish to "f*** off" in a touchline bust-up yesterday.

The Irish midfielder was furious at being blamed for Newcastle's opener as Villa crashed 2-1.

Ireland was hauled off at half-time after the rant when he clearly twice swore at McLeish.

McLeish later insisted he replaced Ireland as he was injured.

He said: "I know he spoke back but like fred perry wholesale online, at the same time, players don't like to hear the manager screaming at them from the touchline. But I kick every ball. I'm passionate and I care. I wouldn't be so petty to take a player off for something like that if he is doing a fantastic job.

"When Guthrie side-stepped him to put the cross in, I thought Stevie should have been making that tackle or at least put a block on the cross. But it was clear at half-time that he didn't have the capacity to get close to people. He had an ankle problem."




Imagine if those 5 knuckleheads who wanted to blow up a bridge in Ohio were not Anarchists with ties to the OWS movement, but Tea Party members? I wouldn't had to read about it on Drudge. No, it would be on the front page of the New York Times in 4" headline type!!

Well, spring is here and armed gang warfare is heating up in Bridgeport and New Haven, CT. A few days ago a rolling gunfight occurred in front of an elementary school in Bridgeport and a little 3 year old girl, holding her mothers hand, was shot down. No, Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson didn't show up. So for the hell of it lately I've been reading books about the Colonial history of CT and all New England and even visiting some of the places I've read about. These dystopic cities, now nothing more than stinking bloody third world welfare colonies, began life as organized wel funded and 'New Jerusalems', prosperous little market villages founded by Pilgrims from the SE coast of England, organized around the Congregational Church. The more I read about the past here ("Connecticut River Valley: a veritable Garden of Eden, breadbasket of America") then look around to what's here now, its pretty goddam depressing.

--WSP7

Precisely, Ix.
Standard Operating Procedure. It's the ultimate citizenry-persuader, REAL straw-man propaganda piece, ain't it?

Set 'em up (with meticulous recording of specifics, of course), then knock 'em over. Piece o' cake if you happen to be a good liar. There's more and more of them every time you peek at any official serve-and-protect agency. (Remember, this is one of the themes that's banged on incessantly on the cop shows, last I looked. The heroes LIE to everybody to "cleverly" get them to reveal pertinent info. It may be unconscious on the part of the writers, but it sure looks like it's conditioned into the "normal" behavior mechanisms.)

Of course the people they get to actualize these set-pieces ain't the brightest bulbs on the marquee, and even if they've got a working brain, the ideological blinders are so thick, that anything relating to common sense is ignored as roundly as possible.

As long as we continue to applaud perfidy, swindles, and greed for its' own sake, we will continue on the road to social dissolution and eventual internecine warfare. Do those in charge of the Clusterfuck find this useful, or is it just "the way it's always been done" in the good ol' Unlimited Supply of Assholes (Irish taunt)?

A vision of the result is just above in an observation from WSP (thanks). If we take a holistic look around, it sure IS pretty goddamn depressing (as well as seemingly insurmountable).

now prog, don t get me wrong- i realize the plight of the animals is truly a tragedy, and borne by us "humans"; i m not belittl(e)ing [Q?] their situation- but Damn, who else could see it as an immigration problem?! believe it or don t; i m proud of you...! and i think it isn t the petroleum's fault this time- seems we re looking at plain old fasioned vanilla-flavored greed...somebody somewhere is profiting mightily from the debacle...anyway, i hope all is at least as well as can be expected on yer side o' the crick; gotta run- i get to work today...! CFT over & out K-DOG FOR PRESIDENT HOOOOOOOWWWWWWLLLLLL!!!

HOWEVER, that doesn't mean we can't have a bunch of laughs and try some constructive strategies for human continuation on the way to the abattoir. Gotta give it a shot; what else you gonna do? Maybe this is not an option if you're working for the betterment of the MIC. If so, get back to fuckin' work, you puling drone! ;o)

(Ps. I'd like to emphasize that smokers and smoking are the very fucking least of our worries. It's used as a convenient whipping-boy for all kinds of maladies that I suspect are caused by DuPont, Dow [et al.] more than the use/overuse of tabaccy. Again, distractions are quite useful for a select few.)

I hear your howl, and second it! ;o)
Have some fun, whatever you do...

"Damn, who else could see it as an immigration problem?! believe it or don t; i m proud of you"
-cf-

Thanks, C Trotting Fox.a I was going for a little humor - and torturing a metaphor to make it related to real human.

And yeah, greed is paramount in this case. Apparently AHS wants the cutest of the cute puppies/kittens to sell in the ATL market at $130 per each. Local pit bull cross breeds from the local shelters just won't make the cut.

And there's probably other chicanery and under the table dealings, as well. PLUS, the VP of the AHS, hisself - went on all the trips to New Orleans. His claim was he was the only one who could drive the truck pulling the "big AHS trailer." Whatever. I suspect he spent at least one night on each trip to NO, though.

Hookers? Gay boyfriend? Who knows?
But some other sin of the flesh besides greed is likely involved.

Just think what all the money and gas wasted on all those road trips to pick up those 4,000 animals could have done, though - if more properly utilized.

That VP makes $100K/year.
Sum'bitch ought to be buried in a pile of euthanized dog pound pit bulls until he agrees to give half of it back.

"torturing a metaphor to make it related to real human." -wtf-

torturing a metaphor to make it related to real human MULTICULTURALISM.

Dang twitchy laptop!

"Do those in charge of the Clusterfuck find this useful, or is it just "the way it's always been done" in the good ol' Unlimited Supply of Assholes"
-ozone-

That's the biggest question we'll ever face.
What do you think, O3?

I think it's probably a combination of the two - usefulness to TPTB, plus inertia from the way things have always been.

Regardless of our opinions on THAT question - what do we do to change TPTB or to redirect the inertia.

Funny post, IX.
Good reply, BJ.

Consider growing your own tobacco, IX, if you really want to keep smoking the stuff.
Amazingly, it is legal to do so.

I suspect much of the addictive nature, and much of the deadly nature, of modern tobacco - comes simply from the way it is processed, flavored, packaged, and marketed.

Does anyone have confirmation that the US Steel Gary Works are really "gone" as JHK says? Everything
else I can find easily on the web says they still in operation, much less "gone". Perhaps its Jim's poetic license what's gone -- a little too far.

- AmRen on the Rodney King riots -

Good AmRen article, Vlad. I don't see any glaring factual OR editorial issues with it. It's mostly a pure statement of facts.

It may be that one of our standard issue racist apologists, asoka or pangolin for example, can point out some factual problem with the article - but I doubt it.

Some of the comments to the AmRen article, however, ARE non-factual or needlessly divisive. I wish AmRen would clean up their comment boards, as I've suggested before.

Speaking of which - why do you persist in saying stuff like this on an open forum like CFN?

"Blacks are the pit bulls of the human species. It's natural to want to get away from them."
-vk-

Needlessly divisive, Vlad.
Even if you believe shit like that in your Heart of Hearts - that doesn't make it valid for ALL blacks everywhere.

And when you put it in print, it only serves to spread heat and not light and inflame the CFN readership - which drives readers away.

Plus, it makes Ozone think you have simply added a new line of code to your RacistBot computer SpamProgram. ;0)

Hey Asoka, as far as me being a Jingo, John Kennedy and Teddy Roosevelt both were accused of being Jingos too! I'd say that's pretty good company. You mention how the US ranks low down on this or that list, i.e. education, health etc. My view is that for a country that has absorbed almost 100 million third world immigrants since 1965 we're doing pretty good. Do you think 100 million newcomers in less that 50 years might skewer the stats a little bit?

--WSP7

Here's the weather forecast for Antarctica.

http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/89606.html

Quoting that one budget statistic in isolation is like saying that global warming is no problem because today it's -70C in Antarctica. You're going to have to do a whole lot better than this.

-95*F.

Feels like-95*F.

Here ya go, Neighbors!
How ya gonna git some revenoo to retrofit the Great Crumbling without a little codified arm-twistin'?

A thoroughly enjoyable romp, as the writer of "The Dead Zone" takes on one head of the Hydra...

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31218.htm

"I’ve known rich people, and why not, since I’m one of them? The majority would rather douse their dicks with lighter fluid, strike a match, and dance around singing “Disco Inferno” than pay one more cent in taxes to Uncle Sugar." -S.K.

Ha! Reminds me of the stylings of another acerbic writer we know, but who... who? (Somebody shut that owl up!)

Good AmRen article, Vlad. I don't see any glaring factual OR editorial issues with it. It's mostly a pure statement of facts.
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Pure statement of facts from a white supremacist nazi publication?

You got to be kidding me. Actually, considering this pathetic sad joke is coming from you, snake, it's no longer a pathetic sad joke but standard operating procedure, isn't?

You wants facts? Go read the court's transcripts, snake.

Also, considering that I'm deathly afraid of snakes, especially white snakes, when we meet for that beer I'll be sure to bring another 4 of my friends armed with billy clubs and 50,000-volt electronic stun guns, to make sure we beat you down good so that you don't steal our holstered guns while you try to slither away. Fucking snake.

What would those revenoos be denominated in?
Here's another country heard from, regarding less and less for more and more. The forest is looking deeper and darker these days, Nature Lovers.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31219.htm

We should question the motives behind any investment analysts' writings (and also the timing). I wouldn't think they'd be penning such an article without a profit motive somewhere... But it doesn't reduce the import of the trend.

Alas - Mika, Mika, Met, Met

Did you forget to take your anti-psychotic medications today?

One thing is for sure, you must not have actually read the AmRen article that is supposed to be under discussion.

Another thing that is certain is that you did not mention a single factual inconsistency in THAT article.

You did vilify the source of the article, quite inaccurately.

And you made an overt and nasty physical threat against me, apparently since you have no actual facts or logic to make your case.*

K/Q thinks you are a "Horse's Ass."
I disagree.
I'm pretty sure you are merely psychotic, but your psychosis is only visible on some irregular schedule that I have not yet been able to detect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Renaissance_%28magazine%29
Be sure to read the last paragraph of the Wiki, before you go nuts, again.

*Consider the beer summit offer formally withdrawn. I'm forgiving and inquisitive, and generally expect good from my fellow human beings.

But you have made my "insanity detector" go off, one too many times.

That's a shame. Really.

This was what I meant by the "last" paragraph.
My mistake.

"The Anti-Defamation League writes that "Taylor eschews anti-Semitism. Seeing Jews as white, greatly influential and the “conscience of society,” Taylor rather seeks to partner with Jews who share his views on race and racial diversity" and "Jews have been speakers and/or participants at all eight American Renaissance conferences" although controversy followed accusations by David Duke, who was not a scheduled presenter, at the 2006 conference.[4] Taylor in response wrote that "There will be no more disgraceful behavior of this kind if people who attend AR conferences bear in mind that Jews have a valuable role in the work of American Renaissance, and are welcome participants and speakers. Anyone who thinks otherwise has the choice of staying home or keeping his views to himself."[7]"

Needlessly divisive or a needed divide? Think of it this way - say you cheat on your wife. She catches you. You sincerely repent and promise to never do it again. Try to make it up to her. But all to no effect: she wont let it go and makes your life a living hell - almost as if she's prefers it this way, having something "on you". So the existential question becomes: do you choose life or death? In spite of your causing it, it is obvious that she is incapable of forgivness. So the question becomes can you forgive yourself and move on. Realizing that despite your sin, there's more here than your infidelity. And in case, despite any allocation of past blame, the reality of the present is that the marriage is over or as we say in Boston, Ova.

This I submit is the situation of the Whites and Blacks in America. It was a bad marriage right from the begining and yes, our fault, our primal sin. Some of the Founding Father acknowledged as much - a terrible way to start a new country. But the difference was that they loved themselves and we don't. They knew the answer involved separation. If you don't know this, you don't know your American History. We cannot go on like this - the status quo you love so much is not a viable option. It's either separation or back to Jim Crow. We must stay on top if we are to have any rights or Civilization at all. Extreme? Extreme times call for extreme measures to meet them. Separation is not extreme but rather meet and just. The status quo is the real "extremism" now.

But a few posts down you say we're doing pretty good.

Nothing is harder than understanding one's own mind. You have to hold both views simultaneously. If you can, maintaining a third position of Observer, you may achieve a synthesis. You don't have to do anything but hold the position: it will synthesize "by itself".

Humann Potential types call it personal growth. Their views are often offensive I know, but they do know a thing or two. Their problem is that they never stop talking about and thus make a very personal thing into a trophy. That and of course that they are traitors to their Nation.

No I haven't heard about it. But I can easily believe it: he is a gifted man committed to using his gifts for evil.

As I always say, the few Blacks that could attain the American Dream on their own power often choose something else entirely - to tear it down. To throw Whites down in order to raise Blacks up. But their calculations are flawed: they think we will keep working hard, becoming the worker bees that support the colored drones - their slaves. But we wont - can't in fact since the jobs are gone. We have been denied the chance to throw the drones out of the hive like worker bees do on a regular basis.

Amren is "Vatican". Don't you know that? "Vatican" is anything that Mika doesn't like. Mika is probably "Vatican" too since he has blue eyes.

"Think of it this way - say you cheat on your wife. She catches you. You sincerely repent and promise to never do it again." -vk-

Vlad, you're entitled to your own opinions.
I was just saying that comparing "blacks" to "pit bulls" is WAAY to categorical, too stereotypical, and too pointlessly divisive.

It is a rhetorical overreach of a sort that negates, in most logical minds, any actual truth that you might otherwise have to share.

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In other words -
You are hurting your own case.

Another thing that is certain is that you did not mention a single factual inconsistency in THAT article.
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Really? How many times did these white fuckers treat a white guy to this kind of brutality, and what for? The whole article is one big factual inconsistency in that it does not present a complete picture and what it does present is colored by suggestions of motive that are completely ludicrous, which I pointed out to you in my example. Of-course, you constantly and continually try to opine that Vlad's nazi lies and propaganda are legitimate and correct and that you are unbiased. Only you're not unbiased and Vlad's nazi propaganda lies are anything but legitimate.

Charles Murray, co-author of The Bell Curve, believes what 8man believes: free money. Distribute the inertia evenly. Why? Because technology takes away jobs, more and more as Tech increases. And that's not even taking outsourcing into account.

Would it work? People say European Welfare States were viable. So in a homogenous state, perhaps. Of course it presupposes that alot of people would want to work a bit, and that the gifted would want to work alot and strive for excellence. Among our own people, these can be assumed as valid. But among Blacks? Don't think so. They would use up their monthly portion and turn to crime for the rest - in massive numbers.

And even in Europe, irrationality triumphed. They weren't satisfied just to be well fed cows. They wanted to achieve something, but what? Why not metta world peace? And at the same time show the racist Americans how it's done? So they opened their borders and doomed themselves. And Anders Breivik is right: it already too late to stop the dispossesion of Whites thru peaceful democratic means. So what to do? Lie down and accept the betrayal as the new status quo - as you would have us do?

No it's valid in the metaphor as humans as dogs. Whites would be German Shepherds and East Asians Golden Retrievers. Are there rabid Golden Retrievers? Yes. Are there peaceful Pit Bulls? Yes. But do the math Prog, do the damn math.

Whites as German Shepherds are in the middle but with a distinct lean towards the Golden East. Hispanics in the middle but with a lean towards the Pit. Perhaps Doberman Pinschers? American Indians probably exactly in the middle - perhaps Boxers?

In case anyone is interested, Murray's other premise is that the Welfare Bureacracy is voracious and alot of the money never reaches the People for whom it is intended; a very poor way to distribute funds. So why not just get rid of it and give everyone a monthly check? Social credit! Of course that brings up alot of issues - like price controls etc. A vibrant underground economy would be produced as a matter of course. Not necessarily a bad thing.

Do you remember the oil spill in which quObama was too busy kissing BP's ass to do anything while the black artery squirted into the gulf for weeks?

eyeless shrimp

Welcome to test tube Earth. Dispersant use was a really bad idea.

Another example of Earths 'resilience'.

Every time I think of eating animals I think of cancer.

Tony Hayward should have been forced to walk the plank.

Another really bad idea from Mr. Change we can believe in. I won't Drone on but:

"A top US official has defended as legal and ethical its use of drone strikes to target terrorism suspects."

Exactly what kind of murder would be unethical?

It seems dissenting opinion was not on the menu. Watch the video, it's a hoot.

The Earth is resilient. In twenty thousand years after our stupidity has killed everyone, gulf shrimp will be fat and happy with two eyes each. To Mother Nature twenty thousand years is no time at all. This is just Mother Natures immune system kicking in to remove the human infection.

He should have yes, but since he didn't how about he has to sit down with Barack and eats a heaping plate of gulf seafood.

The cancerous lesions might be Yummy.


P2C said:
And you made an overt and nasty physical threat against me, apparently since you have no actual facts or logic to make your case.*

K/Q thinks you are a "Horse's Ass."
I disagree.
I'm pretty sure you are merely psychotic, but your psychosis is only visible on some irregular schedule that I have not yet been able to detect.
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So you're the latest to receive a physical threat from CFN's "histrionic-in-residence"? I truly wonder, P2C, why you still see value in this execrable blog? My attitude about psychosis is that it still doesn't give a free pass to be an asshole. For example, I've met nice bipolars and asshole bipolars, nice schizos and nasty schizos, and so on. Free will to be humane or a jackass still exists in the worst psychoses.

Mika is just a hateful guy who has to "one up" even his rhetorical allies because he's very likely to be a sourpuss who has not succeeded in life so he has to feel "powerful" by "knowing more" than you ... by his own declaration, of course. This blog is now just about officially worthless.

Forget about my departure ... when people like LBendet left you knew the bad had driven out the good. This is my first "drive-by" in about 11 days and I suspect that future "drive-by" visits here will be spaced further and further apart until I do a final "fade to black". It's merely boring here now.

I find it comical that many people routinely post here ten or more times a day. And it's not like there's a wealth of tremendous knowledge bases or displays of great eloquence. Personally, I was getting embarrassed when my average posting rate reached about two/day on average.

I visit theoildrum.com and other "real" websites. I'm surprised Jim hasn't just shut the blog portion of CFN down. What a claque of "get-a-lifers".


E.

(quote)I visit theoildrum.com and other "real" websites. I'm surprised Jim hasn't just shut the blog portion of CFN down. What a claque of "get-a-lifers".(/quote)

Heh, no web forums are "real". I'll check in at the bottom of the comment page once a day or so (who would read all the cross talk?) but I don't think JHK is gonna shut anything down when it's all about the hits.

"First there is PLENTY of oil left. We have shale oil galore plus all the oil offshore. If we could just expel all the greenies this country would be a big time exporter in no time.The traitor libs want America to die I guess."

Geez, just what do YOU smoke for fun? PCP?
If you would do the research, instead of listing to Douch Limpbag, you would find out that all the shale oil barely makes a dent in what the USA imports because Americans refuse to drive fuel efficient cars, and instead insist on driving SUVs and Huge Trucks. There will never be a day when the USA will EVER be a "big time (oil) exporter". Not ever.
As for us 'greenies', do the research. If it wasn't for us, most metro US cities would probably have air quality on par or worse than Mexico City* does now. If it wasn't for us fighting for clean air and water, and constantly fighting for emission control standards, you would be looking at and breathing brown air. Have you ever been to a city* with bad air? Take a vacation in Mexico City sometime and then go home and thank the 'greenies' that you have blue sky, and good air to breath. Same goes for the lakes & rivers you probably like to rec in. Did you know that at one time the Great Lakes were on the verge of becoming open cesspools, devoid of life? Without the 'greenies', those lake would still be filled with barely treated sewage, and toxic industrial waste that probably could take the paint off your car in about 5 mintues.
And we are still fighting, Corporate America still wants to 'roll back' hard-fought environmental laws.

"It's becoming very clear what four years of liberalism has done to our country. The rot is everywhere. Now is time to turn the tide."

Pull your head out of your ass. Don't you even recall that it was 8 YEARS of Republican/Conservative rule that got the US where it was when Obama took office? There is no freaking way he can be or is responsible for the state of the nation. He's like the captain of the Titanic, except he took control of the ship of state AFTER it had already hit the iceberg.
You should be THANKING liberals that stood up to Bush & the Republicans after 9/11 and prevented them from having things completely their way, or things would be a whole lot worse than they are now.

Oh, and what has god ever done for you?

Dee :[

Hey, Widespread. It's not just things like health and education where the United States falls behind. The United States is also behind in FREEDOM. Are you familiar with Freedom House? They rank countries based on scores derived from freedoms enjoyed by a country's people. The overall score for the USA declined by one point this year due to detentions, rough police tactics, and other difficulties encountered by journalists while covering protests associated with the Occupy movement. The best countries have a zero score (no violations). The USA is at 22 (which means less freedom available).

Freedom House placed the U.S. at 22, tied with Estonia and Jamaica with an 18 point score. (0 is the best on the scale.)

It's the second time this year that the U.S. has suffered in a press freedom index over Occupy. In January, Reporters Without Borders was much harsher towards the country, dropping it 27 places due to "the many arrests of journalist covering Occupy Wall Street protests."

As if we need the CIA to do what we DO-WHACKA-DO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qffXq1CHZUs&feature=related

So you're the latest to receive a physical threat
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Nice try at that bit of revisionism, EL TORO.

PC is not the latest; he's part of the original four CFN nazis, which included you, vlad, and anti. The sooner you all vamoose out of here, the better for me, as it would save me a lot of typing and conversating in your retarded language.


Hullo in there ... there ... there ... there {cavernous echo}
Not sure what that particular observation would have to do with me. I'm the guy that sees potential in most things that are not ugly human minds. Valuable public infrastructure, purchased with public funds and the publics' sweat does not resemble a "target" in any way, shape or form to me. Only in the utmost extremis would such a thing be destroyed; it has far too much utility. The laddie is always in such a state; and he only has the opinions that are dictated to him daily, so don't look for anything that might be genuine or thoughtful from that corner of the Military-Security-Complex. (That quaint old "industry" part was so unnecessary, and was sold off without so much as a sniffle or wave goodbye.)

These particular dimwits haven't any sympathy from me. The "plot" was the very definition of a false-flag setup. Shit, if you have to be talked into a "nefarious deed", you'd think that would be warning enough that something might be a bit hinky, no?

But anyway, no real opinion on the whole clusterfuck of an "operation" as my nose is to the ground for potential, not destruction for the fuck of it. (That would be the bailiwick of the imbeciles in the cammy-jammies. "We break things and kill people; ain'cha proud mom?")
Waste is the closest thing to "sin" as I might imagine. (But that's not a commonly held position, is it? Too bad fer me.)

This is the purpose of the [supposedly] greatest investigative minds in da woild??? To entrap morons into propaganda set pieces? Who paid for this foolishness? ..........Oh..........

I expect Liquidmetal application in two ways: First evolutionary substitution of current materials and secondly, and more importantly, in a breakthrough product made only possible by Liquidmetal technology. Apple’s exclusively licensing a new material technology (specifically for casing and enclosures) is a first in the industry. This is very exciting. Therefore, I expect Apple to use this technology in a breakthrough product. Such product will likely bring an innovative user interface and industrial design together, and will also be very difficult to copy or duplicate with other material technologies.

And there are still people who claim Apple in not a technology leader. Sheesh.

Good article about Black crime on the beach in Tel Aviv. But you don't care about your own people - you've got jungle fever!

http://amren.com/news/2012/05/israel-police-unemployed-african-refugees-turning-tel-aviv-beaches-into-high-crime-spots/

But you don't deny that you are an anarchist in favor of violence. You just want better targets - like Prince Phillip and his wife I assume.

Let me ask you this, Vlad: If you were hungry and you needed money to eat, would you not steal for a piece of bread? These Africans have nothing. They do what they do literally to survive from day to day. The Israeli government is acting very stupidly. These refugees are physically strong people. We could use such people in many sectors of the economy. Instead of wasting police manpower on idiocy, put these African refugees to constructive purposes.

As Teddy said, you people are the biggest bunch of apple eaters I've ever seen.

The "anarchists" who are violent are usually, if not always, government agents. They are not anarchists at all, but government agent provocateurs.


If there aren't any jobs, why were they let in? Apparently Israel is succumbing to the same PC disease of sentimentality that has leveled most of the Western World.

The Orthodox also have contempt for the common civic Israeli society. The young men go on welfare in order to study the Talmud all day. But they have the babies and are the brutal, ignorant future of your country. Most of the Settler types are just this.

Here's another suggestion, Vlad.
Don't link to AmRen or FOX News - if you can possibly find another more "unbiased?" link that has the exact same information.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israel-police-unemployed-african-refugees-turning-tel-aviv-beaches-into-high-crime-spots-1.427634

This gives me some insight into that video you linked yesterday, Mika/met.

The young men go on welfare in order to study the Talmud all day. But they have the babies and are the brutal, ignorant future of your country.
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I agree with you on this. I would tax these parasites and their arab counterparts out of their Israeli citizenship. You don't serve in army, you live on the blood and sacrifice of others, you get taxed out of existence.

serve in ^the army

"These refugees are physically strong people.'
-mika, exposing his OWN prejudice-

ALL of these black refugees share one positive asset, that being physical strength, Mika?

Not emotional strength?
Not intellectual strength?

"Them thar' be some strong black bucks on that thar' Tel Aviv beach!" mika subconsciously says.

It's a start. It will give these people a chance to learn hebrew, the ways of the country, etc. They can always upgrade to something better later on. But leaving these people stranded like that is completely unnecessary and completely idiotic.

Sorry, E, I can't help myself.

If you can assemble the following cast of characters for interactive online debate on The Oil Drum, then maybe I'll join you over there:

1. A racist Jewish Russian emigre to Israel
2. His unquestioning sidekick, "to the death"
3. A black racist - asoka.
4. A white separatist - vlad
5. A California vegan - antisoak
6. A California mom, shotgun in attic - SJ
7. A New England musician - ozone
8. A thoughtful printer's devil - WSP
9. A permaculturalist - TrippTicket
10. A Resident Grammarian - K/Q
11. A Chinese spammer/Spider/Tobor the Ape
12. A defiantly liberal US ex-pat - DeeJ

I could go on and on, but you get the idea.

Most of the Settler types are just this.
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That's actually a propaganda lie. Most of the israelis living in judea and samaria are not litvaks. The litvaks are concentrated in bnei-brak (tel-aviv), mea-sha'arim (jerusalem), and hadar (haifa). Most of the israelis living in judea and samaria are secular israelis, and many are actually russian emigres like myself.

Outdoor activities amid Chengdu mainly consist of thrilling boating,Beijing attraction, leisurely cycling, and laborious trekking. All make visitors hug the mountains and rivers of the village.

Boating

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Sanjiang creek drifting

Sanjiang Ecological Scenic Area is located to the south of Wenchuan shire Aba Tibetan-Qiang Autonomous Prefecture. It namely fabricated up of Xihe River Scenic Area, Zhonghe River Scenic Area and Panlong Mountain Scenic Area. The Sanjiang creek floating namely one important part of Sanjiang ecological travel The water runs because clear because crystal. The mounds are clothed with assorted vegetation. Visitors can likewise see the relics of ancient plank anchorage on the mountains.

How to get there: bulldoze along Chengguan Expressway and arrive by Dujiangyan,work upwards along Minjiang River Valley and approach the breathtaking champaign through Xuankou, Shuimo and Sanjiang towns.

I was looking earlier today and someone here said JHK will keep his blog open, 'Its in the Numbers'.
I agree. He has advertising here.

And for the 2x time, I am not Vegan. I was Vegan, even 'did' raw diet for 4 years. No thanks to both!
I did go to a local 'May Day' celebration y'day. It was rather sedate relative to what I was expecting.
CHEERS.

Kyoostik, you still here?
Ehero, sorry to see you go.

I cant find yr comment on 'Welfare State'.
1...If there are jobs!
2...If most have Ethics and a work ethic [pun intended] then Stat-ism is OK, as it will be less.

In USA I have been told that Russian Jews get 'Refugee' status hence a free ride...SSI,Housing,Medical,EBT....which explains why we have so many of them.
Remember a Jew told me LA Jewish Charities 'only help immigrants, not her and others like her who have needs'.

Welfare State....most Black Males in USA are unemployed.

Unamusement Park and Occidental Observer have way smarter comments and NO spam.

You have to realize that we've heard excuses like that for the last fifty years. So many special allowance have been made for them - all to no avail. If you give in to them, you're finished. They understand one thing: force. The word for fear and the word for fear are the same in many African languages.

And Mika - they'll be attacking people like you. The Orthodox will retaliate with vigor and in greater numbers. But you poor Western Liberals - you are individuals, you are Alone.

Say a graceful goodbye E. You don't have to trash us. You're better than that.

Is the Oil Drum free or moderated? Would they be open my life giving message of racial love/hate?

Israel has a Russian Nazi community apparently: calling oneself a Jew is a good way to get out of Russia and get benefits. So much for the fiery, and wise Israelis. They're begining to sound as clownish as Americans.

Just on O'Reilly: The Virginia Beach mob attack has hit the big time. O'Reilly is amazed that the paper tried to bury the story on two of its own reporters. And I'm amazed that he's amazed: does he really not know that this has been standard practice for decades? No matter. It's out. Thank God. Finally, thank God.

The guy got out when a rock hit his car. Oh White people! O'Reilly and Fox news may save future lives by talking about this.

Last night a show was on the Hip Hop channel about the Los Angeles riot. It focused on the positive aspects of how it brought Black and Brown together and also Bloods and Crips. Beating Whites and looting will do that. Of course it was all justified more or less. They did ask one of the guys who beat Reginald Denny whether he was sorry. Not much. All in all the riots were a very good thing. But it seems like we need a new renewal. That's my impression - they're gearing up for more riots this summer.

Meant to say the word for fear and the word for respect are the same.

Nonsense Prog. Spoken like an isolated White Liberal - not a member of a counter revolution. I'm just a small part of something very big and important: the salvation of the White Race. And I will get the message out in anyway I can. The actual issue is less important - just an EXAMPLE of the underlying problem which demands a solution.

Check this out: Blacks trash Georgia Beach in annual celebration. Apparently several communities in the South are tormented yearly in this fashion. In one town, restaurants and shops close up for the weekend to avoid the Black Collegiate Thugs.

http://amren.com/news/2012/05/trash-left-on-tybee-beach-sparks-ire-in-wake-of-orange-crush/

And Mika - they'll be attacking people like you.
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Don't worry about me, Vlad. They may be having more babies, but their community is not growing. That should tell you something. Being a parasite is a severe handicap. They do more damage to themselves by this, than anything else. Many of them are starting to realize this, especially the younger ones. Using economic incentives like taxes is good way to accelerate this understanding.

3. A black racist - asoka.

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P2C, you know me better than that, yet you limit me to Black racist, which are only two aspects of my being?

I am an atheist, Muslim, pacifist, an avid reader, a permaculturalist, gadfly, Buddhist, communist, minimalist, environmental activist, agnostic, etc.

I am voluntarily poor and yet live life richly. There is no limit to the number of people I can love.

Do I contradict myself? Very well then, I contradict myself. I am large. I contain multitudes.

-- Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass

P2C, you know me better than that, yet you limit me to Black racist, which is only one aspect of my being?

I was a racist, an angry Black man, but that was decades ago. Being Black and experiencing racial discrimination contaminated me with racism.

My whole life has been an effort to escape the damaging effects of racism. Now I embrace multiculturalism and practice lovingkindness toward all.


Futbolcamisetanet? Those pricks ripped me off with a piece of crap shirt that was made out of textured cardboard. First time I washed it, it fell apart.

Talking about the "freedom" tower, you all have seen this site haven't you?

Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

WTC Building #7, a 47-story high-rise not hit by an airplane, exhibited all the characteristics of classic controlled demolition with explosives:

1. Rapid onset of collapse

2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor – a second before the building's destruction

3. Symmetrical "structural failure" – through the path of greatest resistance – at free-fall acceleration

4. Imploded, collapsing completely, and landed in its own footprint

5. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds

6. Expert corroboration from the top European controlled demolition professional

7. Foreknowledge of "collapse" by media, NYPD, FDNY

In the aftermath of WTC7's destruction, strong evidence of demolition using incendiary devices was discovered:

8. FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples

9. Several tons of molten metal reported by numerous highly qualified witnesses

10. Chemical signature of the incendiary thermite found in solidified molten metal, and dust samples

WTC7 exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire:

AE911Truth.org


Oh great. As if the site needed any more absurdity, now in the post immediately above mine is yet another "ten-years-too-late" missive written by a 9/11 "troofer". I should think Vlad, P2C, and a few other sentients would start bolting out of this joint just to maintain their dignity.

The addition of a "troofer" to the lists takes this site just a tad closer to "asylum" status. I won't say there's no comedy in it.


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Thank you for this beautifully written piece, which goes to the heart of the American tragedy. No one else writes about the horror of what we've done to this country, probably because it's just too obvious and too pervasive. Can it be that no one notices? That we need JHK to bring it our attention says a lot about the state of American consciousness.

Thanks for the cogent comment, Doug.

It's probably that no one WANTS to notice; that would just be too grim to contemplate. i.e.: "Look at what we were once capable of; now we can't even capitalize the upkeep and it's gone to ruin. We have failed."

(Sorry if I had steered my wagon off into the strange and wonderful world of FBI franchised bridge-blowin'. Your post brought me back to the legitimate zeitgeist that requires my attention.)

A last word from me on that...
We don' need no steen'king bridge-bloween, gringo.
(Natural entropy looks like it's doing just fine in the infrastructure-crumbling department. Try fixin' that without any capital. Good luck, Poppets, and try to maintain some focus, eh?)

So, E.,
What are you really trying to say here? Don't couch your opinions in arcane terms and inscrutable metaphors; out with it.
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(...and, yes, a few good laughs here 'n there.)

anybody read fred yet? i can relate- i attended one of the best public schools in the nation for my junior year, then moved back to middle tn...state law prescribes what classes are required of twelfth grade: all but one were what i had taken in AP classes the year before; essentially i was required by law to repeat the eleventh grade...i tried to get relief from my assigned "school counselor" and was told that there was nothing to be done; and i should just coast the year as i already knew the lessons and A's would look good on my transcripts...i tried, i really did, but godDAMN was it boring- a feeling exacerbated by the sure and certain knowledge that it was unnecessary torture!! plus, there was a community college directly across from campus where some friends were enrolled, so i was painfully aware of what i was missing out on i couldn t make myself go for long- as i recall, i made it about half way through the second marking period before i gave up on em...bastards...fwiw, i can attest to the reality mr reed is describing...

Enstupidation, eh?
I LIKE it!


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Five A-League clubs fined for misconduct offences


Football Federation Australia have pocketed a cool $15,000 after five A-League teams were fined after being found guilty of misconduct offences.

Both Gold Coast United and Central Coast Mariners received fines for their part in a melee in their Round 24 clash at Bluetongue Stadium.
The Mariners copped a $3000 bill whilst United were hit with a $5000 fine.

Perth Glory and Wellington Phoenix were both handed $3000 for the melee in their match at ME Bank Stadium whilst Adelaide United were given a $1000 suspended fine for having seven players booked in their away fixture with Melbourne Victory.




actually, there are various groups that have been proposing for years that we eliminate high school entirely and go to a collegial format directly out of middle school...for the life of me, i cannot remember his name; but i saw an interview quite a while ago of a school super who said that all high school is capable of in its current iteration is teach kids to form cliques and social strata; and discourage all but average intelligence with all of 'teaching' being a cookie cutter approach: one size fits none is a great way to put it...and i can only imagine the guy's conniption at no child left behind, and all of the standardized cheat- i mean testing that goes on nowadays, (no) thanks to jr...


I’ll rather say that most of the visitors to JHK s site, as well as to Orlov’s. (RIP) Bageant’s and TAE. are the ones who see the decline. Being surrounded by ignorant, weekly readings help one to maintain some level of sanity because someone is writing and expressing in much nicer way what is obvious but not to one's loved ones or people that one is working with. That is the part that I see as sad.
Wrong reason to be on this blog would be, like two idiot, calendar marker posters way above, expecting for Jim to predict ,within a minutes, time of collapse and by that completly missing the point about "zeitgeist" where we live.
Other interesting thing about this blog site is that, not once, after only few posts discussion trails off in any direction without objection on Jim’s part. Rants, opinions and insults go all over the place, like gathering of dysfunctional family at Thanksgiving dinner, just in time for new Monday morning blog :).

I could throw down the geographical coordinates and graduation year but I need more votes before that happens. I've been waiting for someone to mention public education so I could toss in my nickle for a while.

I was lucky, I graduated at the apex of 'peak' education. Moving to the west coast a few years later I was shocked to find out the local dogs had to go through at least two years of community college just to roll over, play dead and jump as well as I with only twelve years of public obedience school.

Notable is that dropping out while possible was shunned. Out of three hundred in my obedience school class perhaps only five dogs ever dropped out and never learned to walk. The rest either learned to bark on command or went to mandatory summer school to learn missing tricks and not pull on the leash. Nobody wanted to go to summer school, the system worked pretty well. Dropping the ball was unacceptable, everyone learned to fetch.

Except for a third grade lesbian who put the boy dogs in the back row and told them they were bad the teachers were all good.

I suspect peak education coincided with the domestic oil peak. Perhaps a pit bull PHD candidate could look into this. The results might be interesting.

Assoka,

You say you're not a racist anymore.

So do tell Assoka, when did you garb yourself in radiant white and adopt this pose of purity?

Or did you really see the light of sanity and stop being a racist? When? Sometime between April 21, 2012 at 3:08 am and today? When exactly? Yesterday? 15 minutes ago?

I ask because on April 21, 2012 at 3:08 am you asked anti soak why he didn't recognize that whites were more violent and morally depraved than other races. Sounds pretty racist to me. Obviously at that moment, on that day you were still a racist.

So you must have had some kind of revelation, maybe a conversion on the road to Damascus so to speak. Maybe you saw a blinding light and heard a voice speaking to you. Sometime between April 21 and today.

Here's your post to help refresh your memory:

asoka. replied to comment from anti soak | April 21, 2012 3:08 AM | Reply
Yes, white people too are violent. So what?

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More violent than any other race. Millions dead in the last century from white on white violence (Germany bombing England, Germany invading Poland, etc.) Whites developing and dropping the atomic bomb on a civilian population center, and then repeating the heinous morally depraved act a few days later on another civilian population center.

Didn't you say you were Native American? Are you don't recognize that whites are more violent and morally depraved than other races? 15 million indigenous peoples in the New World murdered by whites.

Do enlighten us Assoka. We're waiting...

Mister Pretzel Logic says what he says, never afraid to contradict or twist!

What's more offensive to the nostrils, the whiffs of zyklonB or the stink of hypocrisy?

You didn't read the article anymore than Kdog did - you just crammed it into your "bad schools" paradigm. The schools failed you just like they do Blacks etc.

That's not what Fred wrote. He was talking about the mediocrity, the intrinsic genetic mediocrity of people and how THAT effects the school system. I commnend Fred: not only should most people not go to college, most shouldn't be in high school either! Once free of the dead wood, the schools can focus on those who can benefit from them. For the average person, higher education would mean trade school. Or Companies can provide it as is often done in Japan.

Fred also said that we don't have a Democracy - and he implied that given what people are, we shouldn't even try. By definition, the majority will always be wrong about everything.

That's all I've ever been trying to say, folks.

whites were more violent and morally depraved than other races. Sounds pretty racist to me.

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If the describing the historical record makes me a racist in your eyes, then yes I am still a racist though I now believe in the universal redeem-ability.

We don' need no steen'king bridge-bloween, gringo.

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Why, now that you mention it, the anarchists who were arrested were all white. Hmmm...

E., good to see you back and contributing to the comedy of CFN. Your posts are hilarious! Keep 'em coming.

Mister Pretzel Logic. That's good.

On an unrelated note from his second self.

"You didn't read the article anymore than Kdog did"

Hmmmmmmm, one of Fred's fans doesn't read Fred. And somebody's elevator doesn't go to the top floor, no surprise.

"Educate and inform the whole mass of the people.... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."

Thomas Jefferson

...top floor?! shee-it, flad has a hard time cranking that rattle-trap old cage off the lobby floor...! and as for "analysis" of what fred means by it all, hey fladikins, i taught myself to read at five and have been doing so at a prodigious rate ever since...i think i can handle it for myself, fuckyouverymuch; no need to tell me what i believe...jackass!

the majority will always be wrong about everything
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That's because the elite always make sure that this is so, by herding the majority into a rigged situation where the majority always lose and are preyed upon. The way to stop this predation is through an open society and democracy.

Btw, who the fuck is Fred, and why the fuck should we care?

LOL! I love the way you tease them. Good job, Asoka.

Vlad,

I gave a lot of time to answer my question, and you still have not answered it. You come down pretty hard on these people, but what would you do in their situation?

K-doug said "The Earth is resilient. In twenty thousand years after our stupidity has killed everyone, gulf shrimp will be fat and happy with two eyes each. To Mother Nature twenty thousand years is no time at all. This is just Mother Natures immune system kicking in to remove the human infection."

I was wondering how many mythologies could fit in a single paragraph. Thank you. The total is 5.

Look at Mars. The barren landscape, the thin atmosphere. Some evidence suggests it once looked like Earth. Does anyone say, "Mars is resilient"?

Earth's systems are more fragile that you apparently understand. A very small number of people understand this fact. Few people have the imagination to appreciate geological time, let alone seasonal or annual timescales. The predominance of attention and focus is on the past, the now, and the near future. Humans have no inborn instinct for grasping the complexity of the Earth system. It is explained again and again and yet it doesn't sink in.

I think the awareness is blocked by several mechanisms. The first is congenital inability to perceive. The second is existential terror, that is, the basic fact that "everyone you know will grow old and die": this overshadows everything and causes us all to yearn to return to a womb, any womb. The third is the practical reality of living within a system of brutal coercion and gangster-ism (this modern capitalist system). The fourth is the suffocating blanket of bullshit woven by everyone, all the time, in day-to-day life.

If we were the men we aspire to be, we'd be livid, unafraid, and taking scalps down at city hall. We'd hunger for the glory of being tased with ten thousand watts. We'd spit in the face of authority and seize the fascist reins of power and smite our enemies and force them to eat great platefuls of shrimply bounty.

I did not mean to incite any competitions to cram the maximum number of mythologies into a single paragraph of reasonable length. The award would go to Vlad, hands down.

I am also pleased to see I have not been profiled by PoC's list. It pleases me, that in this state of insidious social degeneration, whereupon everyone is being reduced to a "profile", I remain enigmatic and ambiguous.

I remain enigmatic and ambiguous
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That's because your posts are very forgettable, Bustin. :P

CFN: What a claque of "get-a-lifers".

British accent: Here, here!

Great word, 'claque'.

peace peaceniks

The Oilpocalypse (I like this...can I steal it?) occurs around the time of Peak Oil, when oil production enters into decline. Currently, it is in a sort of plateau, but many experts are pretty sure it is here already. Anyways, it is pretty easy to say, "Oh, hey, things are fine here." from one of the richest countries in the world. Much of the rest of the world is already, by comparison, energy starved. Food prices have gone through the roof over the last couple years. Do you do your own shopping?

We're already in the long shadow of Peak Oil. Cheney was well aware of the PO issue when he and the neocons planned the invasion of Iraq, back in the late 90's. There are little battles that have occurred. There are small apocalypses firing off around the globe.

If you're waiting for every place on the planet to go Mad Max before declaring that the Mayan Apocalypse is upon us, that's a bit melodramatic. That's not how it will work. Not everyplace will be affected the same. Not every place will decline at the same rate or on the same time scale.

Vlad, why don't you give the race stuff a rest? I mean, really, who cares if you're right or wrong. Your shtick is tired and boring. You get yourself all worked up on here about things, but, in the real world, people of all races work and play together everyday. The majority get along fine. I've been in the South for a couple weeks. Black and white people working together, oh my! Every black person I spoke with was extremely polite and friendly. I sensed not a whiff of all this burning hatred and violence that you seem to obsess over here, week after week after week....

I do not sense this impending Race War of which you're so convinced, and I believe most people will want nothing to do with anything like this. They just want to live their lives. If you actually talked to real people once in awhile, maybe you'd be clued in to the majority's actual attitudes, rather than just these fictions and gross exaggerations that seem to be constantly kicking around your old noggin. Most people are not Race Warriors like you and do not get so worked up about these things. Of course, the media works pretty hard to whip people up into a frenzy about manufactured issues, but if you actually interacted regularly with, you know, non-virtual people, you'd see that the vast majority of them are non-violent, friendly, and not filled with hatred and grievance.

BTW, this was a good post. JHK is much more articulate and pointed in describing decayed landscapes than in writing about politics or things of that nature.

Momma Earth has been around for five billion years. She survived the Permian extinction and the extinction of the dinosaurs, she will survive us. Spiecies come and spiecies go, we are only one in a long line of failed experiments.


CFT ... the REAL article worth reading on Fred's site is the one immediately under "Enstupidation" and is called "Race War". It's especially important for the Rainbow Coalition types to read because it SAVAGES American Black behavior and the cravenness of American Whites to do anything about it but shield their eyes.

A *must* read.

E.

Yes, he should give it a rest. Nobody cares.

"Is the Oil Drum free or moderated? Would they be open my life giving message of racial love/hate?"

Its free and moderated. But they also prefer intelligent posts, so, no, you would not make it there.

The many, many posts & threads on the DWH disaster were quite educational. But I reply to posts there on occasion.


Dee J

Another funny post!
You obsessing about "Black behavior" while Rome crumbles around us. Anything to take eyes off the real (white skinned) culprits (Bush and company) who have stolen trillions (2005-2007) and then crashed our economy in Sept. 2008 (a gift for the first Black president from the white Vikings).

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In response to K-Dog's excellent post that starts "Momma Earth has been around for five billion years" I offer this:

A billion stars go spinning through the night,
Blazing high above your head.
But in you is the presence that
Will be, when all the stars are dead.

~ Rainer Maria Rilke

"I think the awareness is blocked by several mechanisms. The first is congenital inability to perceive."

This is true. I'd add to your list of mechanisms the fact that American life is too complex for the average citizen to comprehend a lot of things. Basically, Americans live in "the matrix", with TPTB employing an all-pervasive cloaking device to shield reality from the masses.

Don't give up on learning things from this place, E.*

For example, the recent UNYIELDING and UNRETRACTED pledge of one American poster to defend another (racist, unpleasant, and probably 1/2 psychotic) poster, "to the death," because they share Ancient Tribal History -

-sight unseen on an anonymous forum- **

Has been one of the more shocking revelations - that I have been forced to face in many years.

It has become a permanent part of my knowledge of the world, and not a good part.*

So, just don't make the mistake of hoping that the things you learn here will always be GOOD things, E.

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Also, what's with the idea of counting posts.
If you've got something to say, say it, E.
I treat this place like an interactive journal.

One of the better writers to come through here, OrionNoir, expressed an idea that he would stop posting and go "torment Microsoft Word, rather than the readers of this comment thread." (paraphrased)

I think that's a common sentiment, among some really thoughtful folks. Not me, if I'm gonna' take the time to write something, I'm putting it out there where somebody's going to read it.

Your "not caring" is a numbing of your natural faculties and capacity for outrage, loyalty, curiousity, etc. Human beings are icebergs with 90% of so beneath the surface. Liberals like you have even more beneath the surface. As Aldous Huxley said, reality is something people can't take too much of. And Liberals can't take even as much as normal people.

13. An enigmatic, ambiguous social liberal, with an unambiguous theory that humans will be extinct, soon.

Sorry, BJ - I was going for things that would fit on one line. You're too enigmatic for that. ;)

And I forgot:

14. A dog running for POTUS. HOWLL!!

OK, a.., I'll modify it for you:

3. A black racist who says things like "if describing the historical record makes me a racist in your eyes, then yes I am still a racist.."

While another asokatude is considering simple examination of PRESENT DAY black criminality and violence to be racist -

While yet another asokatude says that whites deserve black and brown disrespect due to karma.

And another asokatude says that blacks are more criminal because of slavery.

Because, generally speaking, the multitude known as asoka, prefers the "rabbit warren of genocide, warfare and false hopes to get people looking at the past and ignoring the future."
(tm messianicdruid)

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Now you see, E - a post like this would just not fit well on TOD, would it.

Free men aren't equal and equal men aren't free. And the equal treatment of unequal people is tyranny (Title 9).

Your statement just means that you hate free speech but like the appearance of it for your own self image. How feminine.

Vlad -
I'm not sure you are understanding my point. Posting AmRen links when something else makes the point equally well is just bad PR.

Another thing - I'm not sure "leaving a mess," is solely a "black characteristic." It may be a characteristic of "low class," "young," or "drunk" people - all equally.

Here's a more balanced article -
http://savannahnow.com/news/2012-04-24/orange-crush-highlights-year-long-litter-issues-tybee#.T6LJcMUmHIU
Although the comments to this article does have "blacks" and "whites" flailing away at each other with some enthusiasm -
despite Turkle's kind words about race relations in the South.

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You have done me one personal favor, Vlad. Tybee is one of my favorite beaches - due to its proximity to many dead and buried relatives.

I'll for damn sure check the Orange Crush schedule before going to Tybee next spring!

If TS doesn't hit TF, first, of course.


"What would those revenoos be denominated in?"

What inflation? (More liek, "WUT, ME WORRY?!?")
http://imgace.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/monopoly-money.jpg
That infoclearinghouse has some gud articles!

Well I'd have to know the conditions more to say exactly what "I" would do. Are there no social services available? If not, I would immediately find other bums and start learning the ropes of life on the street/beach. But you know what? I bet there's alot of things one could do even in that situation other than stealing unattended purses or knocking old ladies down for them. Look into soup kitchens first. If none, find out about restaurant dumpsters etc. Steal? If one has to - go to the open air market and grab something. If caught, at least it's clear what you were after and your motivations. Go to jail and get three square a day - and maybe some services or job training after that. Again, I remind you that I'm not right wing and I believe Goverment has a role to play. No contradictions here for me.

I would not perpetrate violence against another just to eat. Something else would work - even if it wasn't very nice. Of course during the Long Emergency that wont be the case any longer... I still can't see myself hurting anyone. Better to starve if unprepared. But struggle to find food, fight to live - of course.

I personally would have a hard time begging for money from other people. I'd rather dumpster dive, eat leftovers from a bin, etc. But I suppose I could humble myself if I had to. Pride leads these guys to crime - for them the "easy route". Not for me.

"Nothing is harder than understanding one's own mind. You have to hold both views simultaneously. If you can, maintaining a third position of Observer, you may achieve a synthesis. You don't have to do anything but hold the position: it will synthesize "by itself"."

LOL! I've never heard a better justification for schizophrenia/DID!!! This one even blows the following out of the water:

"I'm not crazy - everyone else *IS*!"

"I was just saying that comparing "blacks" to "pit bulls" is WAAY to categorical, too stereotypical, and too pointlessly divisive. "

So is all this "pit bull" stuff the result of quObama's joking about eating them?

"What's the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull?"

quObama would eat the hockey mom? *NOT*!!! Hehe, now *that's* funny.

Fuck, Procon, if my statement is one of the most stunning revelations you've had to face in many years, you don't get out very much, do you?

So, I guess my statement stunned you more than 9/11, huh? Or more than America electing a black president (a good thing, btw)? Or the economy crashing in 2007-8? Or bin Laden being killed last year? Wow! I didn't know I was so powerful!

You know what stuns me? A 43 year old famous, rich, beloved man who seemed to have everything killing himself. Or 46.5 million Americans not being able to afford to eat enough. Or that the universe is expanding with a repulsive force stronger than gravity such that our universe will end up an empty nothingness.

Get a sense of perspective, will you?


"Don't give up on learning things from this place, E.*"

He can't learn things from this place, Procon, because he already knows everything about everything. I must be pretty dumb because I just can't understand why a man who despises this comment section so much continues to post here.
Personally, I'd be very happy if I never saw any of his posts again. He's a two-track horse: He hates people and he hates our society. That's all he's got to say. Big deal.

"Every time I think of eating animals I think of cancer."

Hey - don't sweat it, Big Dog. They continue to increasingly contaminate land/air/water/sea, via heavy metals and radioactive waste, in *addition* to the carcinogenic hydrocarbons ("cortexiphan" [hehe Fringe], corexit, fracking sludge, pesticides, herbicides, GMO grafted "round-up" producers, preservatives, etc, *ad nauseum*)...

Why bad PR? As if I am ashamed of White Nationalism - even the very weak kind offered at Amren? Or as if (as I already said) that all these things are isolated and not related to the perilous condition our people find ourselves in?

No on all counts. Many will flock to ours standard once they know who we really are instead of the caricatures presented by the mainstream Jewish controlled media. So in a way, every knock is a boost as long as they spell our name right and people can get to our sites. They know this even if you don't - and they are desperate to shut down the free internet just as Dee is.

He criticized the Jews. How dare he. All who criticize the Chosen are scum and must be destroyed.

This is how Bill's mind works. You see Bill, if you would criticize your own then other people wouldn't have to as much....

"I won't Drone on"

I recently heard commentary that now they're (we're?) justifying targetting groups of "potential terrorists/combatants," rather than actually identifying any real "individual enemies". Makes sense - why waste a drone missile on a single known target, when you can get multiple *collateral* results...

What you do Vlad is not criticize. Criticizing is fine. You attack on a personal level; you make blanket statements without checking your facts, and without getting information from unbiased sources.

What you just posted to me is very hypocritical. You say I think all who criticize Jews are scum and must be destroyed, yet you have said yourself that Jews are scum.

You don't know my mind, Vlad - I've never said those who criticize must be destroyed. Don't put words into my mouth.

Btw, I don't believe the Jews are the chosen people; a simple look at history refutes that. You were very sarcastic when you said that.

"I could go on and on, but you get the idea."

Awe, man! I didn't even make the list! And you left out the anti-immigrant bashers/haters...

"The word for fear and the word for fear are the same in many African languages."

You're sh!tting me, correct? Hah!!!

"P2C, you know me better than that"

Well, F* - at least *YOU* made the list!!! You should be *proud*!!!

I think the whole drone bomb business is just plain rude.

When they kill the supposed "terrorist" or "al qaeda leader" and, of course, when they kill others in the attempt (as "collateral damage"), they should print the full names, ages, occupations, etc. of all those who were killed including the babies, children, pregnant women, and old men.

Then there should be a USA taxpayer-funded program to send cards to the families, expressing sorrow for their lost mother, sister, child, brother, aunt, uncle, father, etc.

If we have $770 million to pay for drone bombers, we can at least pay for a Hallmark card (a good $7.70 Hallmark card) to console those who are our allies, those we are "saving" from the Taliban, those who are grieving their lost family members. It's only common courtesy.

I am proud. I know P2C has affection for me, as I have for him and for his wife, for whom I have prayed more than once, when the occasion demanded.

The snake is just "wrestling" with you, Bill. He be asking you to share a beer tomorrow after he squeezed your dead corpse of all its life and eaten you whole. All in good fun, of-course.

"The addition of a "troofer" to the lists takes this site just a tad closer to "asylum" status."

Seeing as how that "troofer" whuz yer sock puppet, just makes it all the more *IRONIC*. Nice *CATCH, the very next poast!!!

Well I'd have to know the conditions more to say exactly what "I" would do.
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And yet, you don't hesitate to judge the situation without knowing all the facts -- to bring down the hammer on these people. Why? Why such cruelty? What did these people ever do to you?

Pride leads these guys to crime - for them the "easy route". Not for me.
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That's not true. Bearing false witness is also a crime. You do it all the time, multiple times a day. And you do it out of conceit and pride.

I should have simply summed it up as follows, "Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!"

So I've been pondering that whole Mrs Romney thang, the *stay at home mom*. It musta been rough on her, what with all the hired help - tutors, nannies, cooks, gardeners/yardworkers, chauffeurs, butlers, maids, etc. No wonder Mitt/they didn't know any of them were illegals! At least now *entry* is via car elevators!!!

(Someone plz do the research on the above *HELP*, and get back to me)...

"Seeing as how that "troofer" whuz yer sock puppet"

How can you be so hypocritical, when you also have a *sock puppet*?

"How can you be so hypocritical"

Oh, come now - *sport*! It's just *U&ME*, and, "we're the same!" (Falling Down)

Let's lighten this sh!t up a bit:

"Every dog must have his every day!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqPtskLe1h0
"Every drunk must have his *DRINK*!!!"

15. A guy of indeterminate age and unknown geographical location, who puts *occasional* words inside of *asterisks* for emphasis and who thinks all of the CFN posters are sock puppets of one or two posters, even though *he* has his *own* sock puppet, IxNoMor.

- Sorry Ix, I would have listed you, but I was going for one *liner* descriptions on my list, you know?

Hold on, Bill, you're *next,* but yours is going to take a little more thought, on my part.

We'll see if he responds to me.

"Another thing - I'm not sure "leaving a mess""

Who's leaving the mess? Mayhaps you start thinking, rather than regurgitating. This mess is completely CORPORATE, or rather MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL, or rather the *dregs* of the 1% elites.

Wake the F* up, already. Quit quarreling about insignificant issues that the MSM feeds you every day. You *ALL* should be able to do your own research/homework, and discern what is happening to the limited/non-renewable resources on this planet. As well as where all the *EXTERNAL COSTS* pollution is coming from, and where it goes (land/air/water/sea - *YOUR FOOD*).

FWIW, Corporate profits in almost every analysis == *EXTERNAL COSTS*. That's the only reason they make revenue (profit). Do some homework on the past 60 years of depletion, destruction, and pollution - then get back to me [wink].

"He hates people and he hates our society."

I personally find a huge difference between hate and despise. I despise most people, and our society in general. It's their actions I condemn - not their *lives*.

BIG difference, IMHO...

My BTB persona talking to the sock covering my left hand: "Why are you doing this to me"?

S.P.: " Because you are Jewish."

BTB: "What, and you're not?"

SP: "No way, I'm a fucking atheist, man. Everyone knows the Jews are the Chosen Exterminees. I don't wanna be seen with 'em. I like being alive, even if I have to live with this hole in my sole."

BTB: "That hole is your fuckin' circumcision, you dinkweed; a little snip here and a little snip there, and the next thing you know, you are a Jew. I put your hole there myself 8 days after I bought you in the sock department. You are a holy Jew!"

SP: "Am not!"

BTB: "Are too"

SP: "Am not!"

BTB: "Are too!"


See, Ix, all this crap in this blog is driving me batshit. Bwaahahahah!

I think we should all have to pay for those Hallmark cards to victims of the assassin drones. How much is a Hallmark card in Equador? I think I can get a much better deal than $7.00 per card, though.

Tell you what, you set up the campaign to get the sympathy cards out and I'll set up the Paypal account. Let's agree, upfront, to a $5.00 "fee" for our clients. I'll give you a decent cut of the profits. Inspired thinking, Asoka! And I was ready to count you out as an anti-capitalist!

"If we have $770 million to pay for drone bombers"

I really think you're off by 1 or 2 orders of magnitude there. US Defense/War spending is on the order of $1.6 Trillion/year, give or take $200 billion. And *MOST* of it is now going towards drones.

FUCK US ALL!!! We payed for that sh!t. I mean, we are *GOING* to pay...

And does the booze you pour down your throat qualify as poison? Because only the very high, confused, and alcoholic could even try to comprehend the insipid ramblings you so unfailingly offer up at the altar that is "Kuntsler". Douchebag!

"The snake is just "wrestling" with you"

You know what? I've been running into the same *GHAD*-damned garter snake every day, multiple times a day, for the past 3 weeks, in my backyard. And every time his *SLITHER* scares the shit outta me.

But then I'm reminded of that time I almost ran into a rattler in the 4-corners area, circa '85. I was taking a piss in the desert, heard his rattle, and jumped straight up 3 feet and to his antipodal (LOL) another 6 feet - in one jump - and I just kept running...

You are so right. We reap that which we sow. Deep. Very deep. How many skyscrapers would $7 billion cost? That's probably a cost we'll have to conside if we ever stop those horrible drones. sigh...the price we pay to live in these comfortable, blissful times...pass the joint, will ya bud?

OMG, really?

"And free and easy does the blood red wine come flowing. From the glass to your veins." Bert Jansch

U justified BIB - not *ME*!!!

KRANDZ SOCK PUPPET!!! hehe!

I'll get an answer up for you as quick as I can, Bill. I've got a lot on my plate tonight and tomorrow - all of a sudden.

And your allegiance to Mika "to the death" DID stun me on a personal level. All your countervailing examples of "stunning" events were on the global, or at least the national, level.

Humanity will probably not, ultimately, live or die at the global level, though BustinJ thinks otherwise.

We will live or die at the personal level, Bill.

Which is why our conversation is important.

But I'll stand by my choice of the word "stunning," and try to elaborate - as soon as I can get enough free minutes in front of a computer, somewhere.
--------------------
I do want to ask, in advance, though.
WHO are you talking about here?

"You know what stuns me? A 43 year old famous, rich, beloved man who seemed to have everything killing himself." -btb-

Please elaborate.

Me! Me! Mememememeeeeeee! what about meeee?!

"pass the joint, will ya bud"

I wish [sigh]... I miss that '87 African bud - prolly 6-7% THC tops. Now, we have this medical GMO sh!t that's liek 25-33%!!!

I remember cooking hash oil, and getting lucky to achieve 30% on the first *distillation* (ether required to get to 60% or so)...

"- Sorry Ix, I would have listed you, but I was going for one *liner* descriptions on my list, you know?"

You still left out all those fucking fanatical immigrant bashers/haters [wink].

You argue amongst yourself like a *BOSS*!!! I can barely compete (gotta go check my email again - let's see wut I can muster)...

Har! We all have our cosmic memory. Perception of time depend on where you are in the universe. What might seem like or perceived as 15 billion years in the trillion times dilation of space, is really only 6 days when seen from the center of the universe.

Btw, X, is the ancient symbol for both Aleph and Taph, the first and last letters of the Hebrew alpha-bet. Mem is exactly the middle letter in the Hebrew alpha-bet. Together the 3 letters, Aleph, Mem, Taph, spell the word 'emet', truth. The alpha and the omega. Therefore the truth is the whole truth, from Aleph to Mem to Taph.

Krantz is not only my lover, but my dad. .... Que in melodramatic organ music, cut-away scene of Krantz weeping into a mustly, yellowing hankerchief, desk top picture of me in the not so distant background.....next, an announcement from one of our sponsors............"Use Ajax, the blue dot cleanser, ........for the extra strength to kill germs fast, even tough food stains!"

Ix, you're missing out on some good weed, man! It's still out there if you know the right people. And can pay!

"You argue amongst yourself like a *BOSS*!!!"

WHAT ON *EARTH* R U TALKIN' 'BOUT, ***BOYIE***!!!

Haha, I just got my @$$ spanked by my sistah, in email. Oh wellz. Time to start scraping 20-year-old resin... (HAHAHA!!!)

And every time his *SLITHER* scares the shit outta me
==

To me it's the eyes. It's them dead cold reptilian eyes. I notice them eyes often, especially when abroad in devil-dog country.

You! No, *you*! NO, *YOU*!!! Hehehe!

I know where to get the medical GMO shit, that was seed-soaked in a DNA bath of toxins. I know all about *the process*, and I really don't want anything to do with it.

I'll take 6% ditch weed, over that 25-33% GMO mutant sh!t.

Oh, and P2C (I think?), I am growing tobacco this year - Hopi, supposed to be a cold-crop. I tested some seeds, and they all grew like cra*Z*... If anyone wants to donate the uld-skul kush seeds, I might be interested [EG].

"Please elaborate."

Some piece of shit sports star, "BEAU". Payed too much, watched his family/friends wither?

"Seau" - LOL, same *difference*.

"And free and easy does the blood red wine come flowing. From the glass to your veins." Bert Jansch

Let's make this *ENTERTAINING*:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98VBUYisZZg

The country being drowned should be the country which makes the Hallmark Cards, they will give us the best price. The drones will not be sent to factories where Cards are printed so the population will pay to work there. We will get the countries to pay us to plunder their resources and we will have the ultimate growth economy.

I of course, am not serious. I love all dogs and my soul.

50 million poor in the USA!
They buy Ipods and rent movies.
Go off to the Carolinas for 'orange crush-blk nitemare'!!!!

I say the 3? million US homeless are poor!

What's your favorite genetically-modified food?

You must be quite a guy to watch 46.5 million people and determine they all buy ipods and rent movies.

What's your favorite genetically-modified food?

NaturalNews) There is a conspiracy of selling out happening in America. Politics and personal interest it would seem determine government policies over and above health and safety issues. When President Obama appointed Michael Taylor in 2009 as senior adviser for the FDA, a fierce protest ensued from consumer groups and environmentalists. Why? Taylor used to be vice president for Monsanto, a multinational interested in marketing genetically modified (GM) food. It was during his term that GMO's were approved in the US without undergoing tests to determine if they were safe for human consumption.

http://www.naturalnews.com/035734_GMOs_foods_dangers.html

What I mean to say without sarcasm is, don't make general statements about a group unless you can prove everyone in the group does what you claim. You can say "many","some",etc.

Junior Seau, a future hall-of-fame linebacker who played most of his career in San Diego.

You're weird and bad. How is Vlad Kunt btw? I hope she found the love she was looking for.

Tough love. It's what you need. You wouldn't have admitted the Jews have the slightest flaw without it. We all need opponents. Did you ever think that you people want to get caught? That perhaps you're amazed and frightened at our letting you get this far?

You shouldn't have opened our borders in 1965. That was the essential end of America. How could you? I don't expect gratitude, but how about self preservation trumping your hatred for us?

Blacks need the hammer. You'll learn that in time - or not. How many Israelis will have to be raped, assualted and murdered first? As an Anthropologist I'm fascinated though: you people are now as PC and Sick as the White Gentiles you helped program.

"Oh wellz. Time to start scraping 20-year-old resin... (HAHAHA!!!)"

MRS. FOLGER SEZ

"It's the richest kind."

"That's all I've ever been trying to say, folks"

Yeah, but the sponsors aren't buyin' it. The director says you're off. C'mon man. It's simple.

You're not just a fascist. You're a fascist PIG.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADcf3cOpiT8



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"Awe, man! I didn't even make the list!" -Ix

Ix,
I've just now quit the musician's union, so, voila!, I is no longer a musician! (If it ain't on the resume, it ain't so, correct?) I can no longer [legitimately] be on "the list".

To paraphrase a Groucho-ism: I wouldn't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member. ;o)

Has anyone developed a GARY, INDIANA TOURISM promotion like this one for Cleveland?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM

ak,
That was a good article by Mr. Orlov, with the usual snark to mitigate the horror of the Biggest Brother Ever. (The Gestapo would have been absolutely delighted with today's technology.)

I thought we had some kinda thing to legally prevent such intrusions? What was it called... the constipation... the confabulation... the contribution? Geeze, I can't quite remember. Oh well, back to 'Merkin Idol and those cute but wacky judges! Now that's worth paying attention to.

Anyone planning a trip to Gary, Indiana might be interested in knowing about the Gary, Indiana recreational activities available there like biking, boating, fishing, golfing, skiing, boarding, etc.

http://www.go-indiana.com/Gary/recreational-activities/

After all is said and done, it is not about the place, it is about you in the place.

If you are miserable and unhappy, you will be so wherever you go.

If you are blissful, you will be so even in Gary, Indiana.

ak,
This just in...

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/18067143/us-military-industrial-giant-kbr-in-bidding-to-privatize-british-police-forces

I imagine that when they get the contract, they'll continue to have the taxpayers foot the bill somehow or another.
"Nuthin' poisonal, it's just bid'niz. Now get in dat cell, ya limey mook."

Gary, Indiana marinas and boat launches provide slips and boat rentals for adventures on Lake Michigan.

Gary, Indiana charter fishing cruises, sail boating and windsurfing are popular.

Gary, Indiana beaches and dunes along the lake provide access to Lake Michigan for swimming, picnicking and views of the Chicago skyline. In Gary, the Miller Beach shops have a resort feel.

A short drive east of Gary, Indiana Dunes National Lakeshore provides trails, camping and birdwatching on more than 15,000 acres bordering Lake Michigan.

Ix,
And, handily, right back around to JHK's theme-o-the-week, from the same concert:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYkjzEc6IJc

Blacks need the hammer. You'll learn that in time - or not.
==

Right. This is so that your white super race can steal from them some more, and use them as slaves. Yeah, I understand your degenerate thieving mind perfectly.

No asshole, you're not describing the historical record. Not even remotely. What you're doing is selectively ignoring huge swathes of human history and putting an interpretation on huge swathes of it all for the purpose of casting aspersions on an entire race of people. What you're doing is racist hate mongering. Nothing more.

Maybe you'd care to enlighten us as to why you're doing it. Personally I don't really give a shit but maybe there are other readers that might care to know. Maybe after hearing your justifications they'll generously conclude that you're delusional, maybe imbecilic. Or maybe, given that you're doing your racist hate mongering in a racially mixed country, maybe you'll be the one seen as morally depraved.

IMO at the end of the day it doesn't matter why. Hang your head in shame asshole.

No, I disagree.
In Mexico 1 in 4? lives on 1$ a day, thats POOR!
American Poverty is judged by being 'non middle class' which IS NOT POOR by turd world [Mexico] standards.

"Your statement just means that you hate free speech but like the appearance of it for your own self image. How feminine."

How simple minded of you to equate the preference of intelligent speech for a hatred of free speech.

I am all for "free speech", but really do prefer a good intelligent commentary to the loud shouting of an imbecile who's only purpose is to drown out the former. This means you, Count Flatulence.

Dee ;)

You just want to hear things you already believe. That's not free or intelligent. Sooner or later you have to hear unpalatable truths. Telling those is where I come in, Bubbles. You obviously prefer gaudy baubles to to the real diamonds. They are cheap like you.

You prefer the Schwartzes to your own people. What is this sickness and from where has it arisen?

It is an idolatry - a replacement of the Living God. The Black symbolizes everything that is alien and primitive - and that's what you want since you no longer believe in either Western Civilization or the Jewish Religion, except as a cultural artifact. Be honest - Friday night dinner parties are pretty thin. Not enough there to satisfy the human spirit. So you have moved on to a new faith without knowing it. You think the Blacks offfer a new begining - thus your lust after their strange flesh. It's basically the modern version of Rousseau's Noble Savage which gained such a hold over the Western Mind from that day to this.

I take pleasure in the wild places too - but as a Western Man not as someone who believes Savages are closer to "Mother Nature" than me. They often don't have much appreciation - the fight for survival consumes their attention. Often they feel the forest or jungle is full of fearful spirits. And some do find beauty in it all - though they usually couch it in religious terms not as a separate aesthetic category as we do. In other words, technologically primitive people vary alot - their technology does not define them by any means. That is a Marxist idea. Two neighboring tribes could be at the same technological level yet be utterly different culturally.

Wow, you called Asoka "Assoka" so that the word Ass was in his name. How 5th grade is that?

Grow up, asshole.

;)

"You just want to hear things you already believe. That's not free or intelligent. Sooner or later you have to hear unpalatable truths."

Oh, and you don't? Give me a break. And TRY, and I really mean TRY to give an INTELLIGENT response,OK?

"Telling those is where I come in, Bubbles. You obviously prefer gaudy baubles to to the real diamonds. They are cheap like you."

This doesn't qualify, BTW. Sticks & stones, etc.
Besides, you wouldn't recognize a diamond if I walked up and punched you in the face with a 5ct one. Since you surround yourself with false beliefs and refuse to see anything else, I don't see how you could recognize Truth if it walked up and hit you upside the head with a 2x4.

Why are so so afraid of Black people anyway? Did you get raped in prison or something by a person of color? Can't see how anyone would want your shaggy pale ass anyway.
But, one persons white trash is another persons sweet tru luv.

;)

You prefer the Schwartzes to your own people. What is this sickness and from where has it arisen?
==

My people, Vlad:

http://youtu.be/imDVZkAj0fw
http://youtu.be/1gwtP9Dmwms

As I said earlier, you wouldn't know me from the wind.

What do you think about blonde Elizabeth Warren calling herself an Indian - and putting it on job applications? Full blooded 1/32 Cherokee with high cheek bones. Very cheeky indeed.

What are the locals saying Bill? To the greater Community: If White Privledge is real, why is she desperate to call herself an Indian?

So you have homosexual rape fantasies? You think that "tru love" comes from such a thing? I mean it's just men so it's alright, right? And if they suffer well it's mostly White Men getting raped and that definitely makes it alright, right?

People who laugh at homosexual rape jokes are scum.

Yeah, wow eh? Imagine insulting a poster of racist commentary. Buzz off creep.

It looks like Gary, Indiana is a pretty nice place then, Asoka. I never knew. What, with pristine beaches, lush green parks, a vibrant 'multicultural' community, I'm ready to buy my Amtrak ticket right now ...

I'll meet you there. We'll take in the sites, hit the clubs, walk down mainstreet after closing time, late at night. I hear in Gary, IN there is one hell of a nightlife.

--WSP7

Think you got a real soaker there Asoka; put your foot in a big mud puddle. Your logic is hilarious - if only the political dissidents in Soviet gulags where 'happy to in themselves' they too would have enjoyed being there!

Your rapid-fire, but vanilla description of sites and tourism events in Gary, Indiana comes off as sounding more like someone was paying you to ramble on with such inanities and dis-information.
Enjoy the public artwork in Cleveland ... .

Could one of the market saavy CFNers here (Q, BustinJ) explain how facebook is worth $75 billion? Is it worth even 75 cents? What does it really consist of? Or is it just another swindle like all the others swindles we've seen in the past 15 years, beginning with the LTCM collapse in 1998?

--WSP7

I am just guessing, but next you are going to tell us the natural appeal of the rusting Lackawana steel mills region, and general beauty of Buffalo. Why don't you invite Mr. Kunstler to Flint, Michigan for a Saturday afternoon happy tour, and explain to him and residents how another cycle of Hopey & Changey are going to bring prosperity and tourism back to these places?

What's the difference? I don't want you banned as you do me. And of course I'm right in my world view and you are not. What do you think about Fred's columns about the Black underclass being out of control?

Agreed WSP7 - FB is another example of negative productivity, another digital time-filler for post-industrial society. Like Zynga dollars and other time-wasters in the casino-gulag economy, Facebook is likely worth .75c/ps - a competitive penny stock. Yet, the IPO will sucker many millions of people dreaming of making a fortune - come on, Zuckerberg has alread admitted he has no plans to pay dividends.

"So you have homosexual rape fantasies? You think that "tru love" comes from such a thing? I mean it's just men so it's alright, right? And if they suffer well it's mostly White Men getting raped and that definitely makes it alright, right?

People who laugh at homosexual rape jokes are scum."

Actually, no, no need for a fantasy life, my real life is really pretty good.

But by the nature of your response, it sounds like I hit the nail right on the head, eh?

Go get some counseling on it. Or, better yet, if you secretly and actually liked it, move to San Francisco, I'm sure you can find SOMEONE there that will call you Snuglly-Bear and whisper sweet nothings in your ears at night....

Might make a better man of you...or not, who the hell knows in your case. You are one screwed up mofo.

Dee

Here is the answer as to why FB is worth $75 Billion:

If you BELIEVE its worth it.

And in a bout 2-3 years when the stock is worth toilet paper or less, and the principals have all dumped it and moved to Dubai, will you still believe that, or think: "Damm shit, I waz swindled. Again!"

Some people never learn

History: Read, forget, Repeat....

Dee

Personally I don't really give a shit... IMO at the end of the day it doesn't matter why.

================

Your vociferous posts, trying to convince others that I am a racist, make a liar out of you. You do care and you do want to engage me. That's why you respond to my posts.

If you didn't care, you wouldn't waste so much bandwidth attacking me when I point out the obvious: no other race or religious group has used nuclear weapons on civilian population centers to incinerate men, women, children, babies, and pregnant women.

Only White Anglo-Saxon Protestant Christians have been so morally depraved.

That you refuse to condemn the use of nuclear weapons outright, that you refuse to condemn the use of nuclear weapons unequivocally, speaks volumes about you and your "morality."

"Yeah, wow eh? Imagine insulting a poster of racist commentary. Buzz off creep."

Oh, and you are not? Say, why don't you and Vlad move to SF, you might find some things in common with eachother. Besides being both assholes....

;)

WSP7 said "Could one of the market saavy CFNers here (Q, BustinJ) explain how facebook is worth $75 billion? Is it worth even 75 cents? What does it really consist of? Or is it just another swindle like all the others swindles we've seen in the past 15 years, beginning with the LTCM collapse in 1998?

--WSP7
"

Its like this WSP7. Facebook now dominates personal networking. Facebook has multiple revenue streams, is global, reaches billions daily, etc. Narrow the possibilities to selling advertising alone. Theres the value.

To give you an idea of how luctrative this segment is, the annual expenditure on advertising in the US reaches 1 trillion dollars. Our GDP is only $14 trillion. All this money must go to where the eyeballs are and the eyeballs are on facebook.

Facebook, in its more general scheme, touches on every facet of what it means to be a social human being. That is, it exploits our genetic predispositions. Nothing else ever invented has come close to commanding so much human time and energy.

Its made everyone more anxious, depraved, stupid, and unhappy, either directly or indirectly, but don't let this fool you: it will go on making money and dominating our pathetic monkey brains for years and years.

I liken it to cigarettes, alcohol, sugar, and coffee. All addictions are safe economic bets whether oil for necessary cars, electricity for necessary appliances, or profiles and pageviews for necessary human networking and socializing.

So jump on the bandwagon and you'll make money hand over fist, I have zero doubt.

You LOVE it when I'm bad. You get to spank me! You naughty boy!

She said "It's the richest, most aromatic kind of coffee". And she did a damn good job of playing the Wicked Witch of the West in The Wizard of Oz. And it wasn't Folger's, it was Maxwell House, DAMMIT!

Theres a great article at Occidental Observer on FB and its IPO.
KMD notes the Tribes ability to network.
What I disagree with, in the article, is the contention that Zuckerberg 'stole' the idea.

'Why are so so afraid of Black people anyway? '
Its in the Stats, dee!
rape
Murda
racism
etc

If you're into homo kink, why don't you ask Kramps to be your girlfriend? You'll get to be the ramrod.

"Or, better yet, if you secretly and actually liked it, move to San Francisco, I'm sure you can find SOMEONE there that will call you Snuglly-Bear and whisper sweet nothings in your ears at night...."

Okay, DEE, don't be givin my snoogykins any ideas, OKAY? My Snooykins, dammit!

"And your allegiance to Mika "to the death" DID stun me on a personal level. All your countervailing examples of "stunning" events were on the global, or at least the national, level.

Humanity will probably not, ultimately, live or die at the global level, though BustinJ thinks otherwise.

We will live or die at the personal level, Bill.

Which is why our conversation is important."
-p2c, to BTB, yesterday-

===================================

A little background, for any newcomers to CFN:
Bill and I were having cordial conversations on this comment thread late last year, and early this year. We share interests in real estate and in the sciences.

Our friendly conversations came to an end in one week in mid-January? when Mika/Metuselah threatened to "bash the head" of a poster with whom he disagreed, "with a baseball bat."
(this is the exact same sort of threatening behavior Mika/Met exhibited toward my p2c handle this week, by the way:

"I'll be sure to bring another 4 of my friends armed with billy clubs and 50,000-volt electronic stun guns, to make sure we beat you down good so that you don't steal our holstered guns while you try to slither away. Fucking snake."
-mika/met-

I was in a line of work where I was forced to take threats seriously. I have withdrawn my offer to meet Mika for a beer because I consider this threat credible.

Proximate in time to the original "baseball bat" threat - Bill swore to defend Mika "to the death."

I found this appalling. I still do.

=====================

Bill, I said that this whole episode was personally shocking to me and promised to elaborate.

We are both Americans, Bill, with all that that is SUPPOSED to entail. Egalitarianism, fair play, and all of that.

And there is the real estate angle. I could find myself in a professional relationship, bound by contract to you or someone just like you -
and I would have been unaware that you felt you bore a greater loyalty to Tribe - than you did to contract or friendship.

So yeah, all of this was one of the most shocking revelations that I have encountered in many years.

Shows how naive I was, I suppose.

Me! Me! Mememememeeeeeee! what about meeee?!"
-CF-

15. A polite guy who would make a good hostage negotiator. He and his brother invented an interestingly descriptive word for their girlfriends, "Flounder." His moniker in homage to the ClusterFuckNation, CF, is often misread as "CFT," by the unaware.

Couldn't get that on a single line either, CF.

==============================

And ozone, this is getting complicated, and I forget what line number you were:

N. A musician from the Northeast, FORMALLY a member of the musicians union.

"Or maybe, given that you're doing your racist hate mongering in a racially mixed country, maybe you'll be the one seen as morally depraved."
-Rhino, to asoka.-

Well said, Rhino!
Until I "met" asoka. on CFN I had no idea at all - of the depth of hatred that some blacks feel toward white Americans. So asoka does provide a useful, though probably unintentional, service to CFN.

Dee - Why are you calling Rhino racist? I've never seen him post a single racist thing on CFN. Why don't you point something - ANYTHING - out that he said that was racist. To justify your attack.

I don't think you can.

===================================
Similarly - Bill, Mika, or anyone else

Point out one single thing that I have ever posted on CFN that is antisemitic.

Again, I don't think there is anything.

Put it out, in quotes, with date and time - and let's take a look at it.

oops

"formerly"

Met,

Fred was introduced to CFN by ProCon: the poster who claims to so mentally perplexed and emotionally traumatized by "tribalism".

"I'll be sure to bring another 4 of my friends armed with billy clubs and 50,000-volt electronic stun guns, to make sure we beat you down good so that you don't steal our holstered guns while you try to slither away. Fucking snake."
-mika/met-

I was in a line of work where I was forced to take threats seriously. I have withdrawn my offer to meet Mika for a beer because I consider this threat credible.

Proximate in time to the original "baseball bat" threat - Bill swore to defend Mika "to the death."

I found this appalling. I still do.
==

You find this appalling? How come, snake? Why is it that you find this kind of behavior appalling, when all that was done was just to describe and verbalize a scenario that you already found to be perfectly reasonable. When Vlad's nazi publication tells you about the white pigs that brutally beat Rodney King and offered the exact same reasons for doing such, you found it perfectly reasonable. Don't you think that you will get drunk after drinking that beer, and that you therefore will pose a threat to me and my gun carrying buddies? You think that we can trust you to not try to reach for our guns while you are Tasered and brutally attacked with billy clubs to within an inch of your life? I don't think so, snake. I think that our safety and the safety of our guns is much more important than how many bones of yours we break or how much brain damage we cause you during such a brutal beating. And since you already agreed that this is reasonable behavior, I really don't see what's your problem, snake.

Rodney King got brutally beaten. Amadou Diallo, on February 4, 1999 (a 23-year-old Guinean immigrant in New York City) was shot and killed by four New York City Police Department plain-clothed officers.

The four officers fired a total of 41 shots. All four officers were acquitted at trial in Albany, New York.

Diallo was unarmed at the time of the shooting and did not in any way act irrationally toward the officers and did not make any threats and did not even say anything to the officers.

Diallo was not drunk or angry. Diallo was not committing any kind of crime. Diallo was just Black.

I also think that my fear of being attacked by a white snake, especially one under the influence, is much more reasonable than that a gang of armed police thinking they will be attacked by a lone black drunk. So I really don't see what you are so appalled by, snake.

In music, Diallo and the shooting incident has been referred to in works by 88 Keys, Aesop Rock, Agnostic Front, Akon, Antipop Consortium, Army of the Pharaohs, Beanie Sigel, Beastie Boys, Blue Scholars, Brothers Keepers, Bunny Wailer, Bruce Springsteen, Bun B, Capone-N-Noreaga, Common, Cunninlynguists, Cyndi Lauper, CYNE, Damian Marley, Dead Prez, DMX, Elliott Sharp, Emilio Rojas, Erykah Badu, Fabolous, Fredro Starr, Gangstagrass, The Game, Greenhouse Effect, Immortal Technique, Jay-Z, Jedi Mind Tricks, Jen Chapin, Jemeni, J-Live, Kool G Rap, KRS-One, Lauryn Hill, Le Tigre, Leftöver Crack, Mash Out Posse, Merauder, Mike Ladd, Mischief Brew, Monsta Island Czars, Mos Def, Nicki Minaj, Northern State, Organized Noise, Papoose, Paris, Percee P, Pharoahe Monch, Posdnous, Public Enemy, Rah Digga, Rage Against the Machine, Rob Swift, Roni Size, Roy Campbell, Saigon, Shabaam Sahdeeq, Shyne, Spooks, Sporty Thievz, State Radio, Strike Anywhere, Sun Rise Above, Talib Kweli, Terry Callier, Trivium, Wu-Tang Clan, Wyclef Jean, Youssou N'Dour, Zack de la Rocha, and Ziggy Marley.

In books and poetry, there are references in works by Mumia Abu-Jamal, Lorenzo Thomas, Ross Gay, Dave Eggers, Malcolm Gladwell, Jeffrey McDaniel, Harlan Coben, Inga Muscio, Charlie Huston, Mukoma wa Ngugi, Abraham Rodriguez, and Meena Alexander.

In film and television, there are references to the Diallo case in 25th Hour, Phone Booth, Double Take, The Awful Truth, Louis Theroux's Weird Weekends, NYPD Blue, Law & Order, The Boondocks, "The Matrix" and Tell No One.

Let's call it what it is, Asoka. It is a lynching.

LOL! There you go. And especially when this white snake comes from the South.

Tribalism? What tribalism!? - Sgt. Schultz

One more thing about Rodney King and the riots that followed. LA was very segregated back then.

20 years later LA is now

25% white,
25% Black,
25% Hispanic,
25% Asian,

a perfect multicultural mix...
and no riots burning down LA.

Like Turkle said, multiculturalism is the reality in this country, and it works, nonviolently, in spite of what the anti-immigrant racist haters on CFN say in their efforts to denigrate others.

What I find APPALLING is Bill's open-ended pledge to defend you "to the death." Don't go trying to change the subject, please.

==========================

But - now I see where you were going with the tasers and the 4 billy clubs.
That was pretty subtle.

I guess if I promise not to drive drunk in Isreal and 2.5 times the legal limit.

If I promise not to run from Israeli police.

If your 4 friends are sworn, uniformed, Israeli peace officers and I promise to comply with their orders -

Then you are saying that we can drink our beer in peace and they won't beat me?

I still don't trust you any more, Mika/Met.
Because you are a crazy white-hating Russian.
And I will always be appalled that Bill would offer to defend your crazy ass "to the death."

Offer to meet for a beer is still withdrawn.

"Fred was introduced to CFN by ProCon: the poster who claims to so mentally perplexed and emotionally traumatized by "tribalism"."
-bs-

Oh, great - another hater shows up to spread heat but not light.

Buck, I did not introduce Fred to CFN.
I think Ozone did.

One more thing -
You guys are perniciously conflating police brutality and racism.

Which is one of the last things we need in the USA.

"Which is one of the last things we need in the USA." -p2c-

The conflation of these two distinct issues is the last thing we need.

Not to imply that police brutality is what we need.
Or that racism is what we need.

That's sort of funny.
Where's K/Q when you need him?

====================

What I find APPALLING is Bill's open-ended pledge to defend you "to the death." Don't go trying to change the subject, please.
==

Oh, I see. So what you find appalling is Bill's prerogative not to be your personal attack dog. This is what you find appalling. Interesting. You don't find Vlad's behavior appalling. You don't find Vlad's nazi publication appalling. You don't find the behavior of the white pigs that brutalized Rodney King appalling. You don't find blatant racism appalling. What you find appalling is Bill's lack of enthusiasm to be your attack dog and partake in your divide & conquer machinations.

Snake, if you ever do decide to have that beer, you best be wearing a helmet. Because we'll be sure to check how functional your helmet be. All in good fun, of-course.

"a perfect multicultural mix...
and no riots burning down LA."
-asoka-

Have you ever looked at a map, a.?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315078/Race-maps-America.html
LA is a very segregated metropolitan area.
Probably one Zimmerman verdict away from disaster.
Which is why I am concerned.

So - now tell us why we need 30,000,000 more people piling into the cities of the US this decade.

"Oh, I see. So what you find appalling is Bill's prerogative not to be your personal attack dog."
-mika/met-

Redirect and change the subject when logic fails.
Whatever, Mika/met.

"You don't find Vlad's nazi publication appalling."
-mika/met-

I tell you what else is appalling. It is when a Russian Jew, whose ancestors probably suffered significantly under the attack of the REAL goddam' German Nazis -

when that man uses the term "nazi" so casually, because he disapproves of the editorial slant of a legal United States magazine and website.

Appalling.

Similarly - Bill, Mika, or anyone else

Point out one single thing that I have ever posted on CFN that is antisemitic.
==

Are you kidding me? Do I have to remind you of the nazi lies that you posted a month or two ago, and that when I called you on it to back it up, you tried to backpedal and begged Vlad to come to your rescue, which of-course he didn't and couldn't because it was pure nazi BS. You forgot about this already, snake?


If Rodney King were behaving like a man - like a responsible man, black or white, he never would have been caught up in the situation that he found himself in. Again, it's the same thing. There are responsible people and there are irresponsible people. Rodney King decided to go out, get drunk, drive a car (possibly murder someone) and you and your ilk decide to lionize him. I'm half black, probably more black then your. And as a responsible citizen, I don't expect to get my head get beat in because I don't do crazy shit like Rodney King. You just don't get it, do you?

Via Wikipedia:

American Renaissance (magazine)

American Renaissance states that it is a monthly magazine first published in 1991. A section called What We Believe on the organization's website states that "Race is an important aspect of individual and group identity. Of all the fault lines that divide society — language, religion, class, ideology — it is the most prominent and divisive. Race and racial conflict are at the heart of the most serious challenges the Western World faces in the 21st century. The problems of race cannot be solved without adequate understanding. Attempts to gloss over the significance of race or even to deny its reality only make problems worse. Progress requires the study of all aspects of race, whether historical, cultural, or biological. This approach is known as race realism."[3]

The magazine's arguments are usually explained using social science and genetics, but one article mentioned Biblical arguments against interracial and inter-cultural marriages.[3] The magazine and foundation promote the view that differences in educational outcomes and per capita incomes between racial populations can be attributed at least in part to differences in intelligence between races. Such has resulted in accusations of white supremacy, though the magazine's editor, Jared Taylor, has expressed on numerous occasions his view that East Asians have higher average IQs than white people.[4]

American Renaissance, the New Century Foundation, or Taylor are alleged to have had links with organizations such as the Council of Conservative Citizens, the Pioneer Fund, and the British National Party. Don Black and David Duke have attended AR conferences and have been seen talking with Taylor.[3][5] The organization has held bi-annual conferences that are open to the public and that attract 200-300 people. Critics say some who attend are neo-Nazis, white nationalists, white separatists, Ku Klux Klan members, Holocaust deniers, and eugenicists (as well as numerous protesters).[6]

Dear god, if horseshit was a melody, you'd be a funking symphany. Your pretty dumb, Asoka. Most people on this thread already seem to know it. You're the only one that doesn't seem to know it. You'd make a great Uncle Tom, but you're just not that smart. Glad that Ecquador's got you because we don't need any more of you Uncle Toms here just now. Go back to sleep you feeble old black man. Make way for the new Afro American - it ain't you babe!

"Are you kidding me? Do I have to remind you of the nazi lies that you posted a month or two ago, and that when I called you on it to back it up, you tried to backpedal and begged Vlad to come to your rescue,"
-met/Mika-

I have no idea what you are referring to.
It's easy to search the CFN archives.

I'll be waiting.

Their ignorant racist bastards. Its' true.

Dostoevsky, how come my favorite drunk Mel Gibson didn't get his head beat into a pulp yet? Why he so special? It's certainly not for the lack of opportunity.

Look out. He's gonna sing the "We are the world" song. Embrace the Third World because that's whats the biggest thing being imported into the USA now. Even now that he's moved out (fucking liar).

And when I find it, and I will, then what? You will miraculously turn from a white snake to a human being?

A border vigilante and avowed white supremacist who police believe killed four people and himself in a suburban Phoenix home on Wednesday was once allied with the Republican Senate majority leader who pushed through Arizona's harsh anti-illegal immigration bill in 2010.

Russell Pearce, "papers please" law, Mormon church, neonazi white supremacists and Republicans all tied together in JT Ready and Russell Pearce and John Tanton (founder of FAIR).

See what John Tanton and FAIR have wrought? Murder.

When are you going to renounce FAIR and Tanton, P2C?

Mormons like Russell Pearce, J.T. Ready and Mitt Romney give the Mormon church a bad name. Mormons in the State of Arizona need to identify FAIR, Kris Kobach, John Tanton, and anti-immigrant groups as evil and vile right now! This is a racist game costing lives including another toddler! Isn’t it enough when we had to hear about the minutemen killing Brisenia Flores who was in fetal position begging for her life?

This is what all your rhetoric about "defending the border" brings. Stop using anti-immigration laws to justify violation of human rights and murder (like JT Ready's plan to use land mines at the border).

Open the borders. Welcome immigrants. Live together without hatred and violence.

Thomas Sewell is a columnist that you'll never hear Asoka sing about. Sewell actually dares to tell the truth about facts. Blacks are equal to whites in every way. Blacks have been taught to accept dependence on "the man" as a way to get compensation for slave labor that ocurred over 100 years ago. Asoka himself isn't too proud to admit that he collects his monthly Social Security checks, so if he hates the "system" he ain't too proud to collect off it. Go figure!

Open the borders. Welcome immigrants. Live together without hatred and violence. Asoka

This from a man who has readily admitted that he supports a violent takeover of the United States by "injured parties". Totally delusional.

Bill's never gotten over the fact that the whole Nazi thing was a result of the vast conspiracy of the Vatican, Germany, Western Europe, the United States, South America, North America, Africa, North Africa, Korea, and Japan. Ooops, I forgot to mention Russia. Be affraid Jewish people. Be very affraid.

What is it to you? Why is this any of your concern?

Because Bill seems (or seemed) to be a pretty intelligent fellow until he discovered you. Your Zionism will eventually kill not only you and Bill, but all of us outsiders/non-conformists. As a gay man, that concerns me.

Would any week on CFN ever be complete without asoka. gratuitously throwing the Race Card multiple times? This time in the case of a white man who killed his own white toddler, if I'm following the narrative correctly - but the man is still a racist playing a "racist game."

"This is a racist game costing lives including another toddler!" -asoka.s' link-

Vlad Kramps is right about you asoka, and you've become a hateful reminder of the past - which makes you an impediment to a better future

For all of us.

Asoka himself isn't too proud to admit that he collects his monthly Social Security checks, so if he hates the "system" he ain't too proud to collect off it. Go figure!

=============

I love the system called Social Security. I paid into it for 45 years and now I am getting my money back one month at a time (if I live 20 more years).

Social Security is not a handout, it's a pre-paid benefit I am now ENTITLED TO, because it's my money. It is not "dependency" and I don't hate. Period.

Why is zionism a problem? What's your problem with zionism? What does zionism to do with your gayness? Why should or would zionism get me or Bill killed? Is there an anti-zionist murderous CIA conspiracy you care to share with us, Dostoevsky?

"Their ignorant racist bastards. Its' true."
-vlad kramps, to mika/met, in reference to AmRen-

I like you, all of a sudden, Vlad Kramps. When you first showed up on CFN I though you were a sock-puppet of DeeJones or somebody - but you're sounding really sensible tonight.

And if you're really black, and really gay - welcome ABOARD this freakin' clusterfuck, man!

===================

Oh, and as regards AmRen as "ignorant racist bastards." A lot of their commenters may be ignorant and racist, I'll grant you that.

AmRen itself though, I don't know.
I've begun to think that if there is a Jessee Jackson and a SCLC - then there probably will have to be an AmRen.

You think we could get them all to disband so the rest of us could just live in peace?

==========================

And it's just a matter of a short while before somebody says that you are my "sock puppet," Mr. Kramps.

He's not. I swear on a stack of Bibles.
Which means something, 'cause I'm not Atheist.

We're two totally different people.

Let's see....Becauuuuuuuuuusee: The overwhelming majority of religious worshippers in the world is Muslim. Christians come in (I think) a close second. Both, the former rather than the later, are becoming so pissed off that they will stop at nothing to see that "non believers" are murdered. Make no mistake. It starts with "Da Jews", but as you and I both know, once the killing spree starts up against the "other", none of us will be spared the horrors of Nazi Germany, or, to a lesser extent, the Manzanar Camp for the Japanese during WWII.

Zionism at work:

- http://youtu.be/02r0aI2WE7E
After the devastating fire on Mt. Carmel


Why is that a problem for you, Dostoevsky?

It's not adjusted for inflation so some people on it have to eat dog food. And it's going broke unless radically reformed a la Paul Ryan or Ron Paul.

This time in the case of a white man who killed his own white toddler, if I'm following the narrative correctly...

The white supremacist was being supported by the Mexican ex-husband of J.T. Ready's girlfriend, Lisa Lynn Mederos.

The ex-husband still paid spousal support, and she and Ready lived in a house owned by Mexican ex-husband, so the white guy was being supported by the hispanic guy.

Amber Nieve Mederos was also killed by the white supremacist, as well as the toddler, Lily Lynn Mederos. Those don't sound like typical "white" names to me.

It is not "going broke." Social Security is solvent for decades to come, and will be solvent forever with one simple (not radical) reform: LIFT THE CAP so the rich pay on all of their salary, just as the poor pay on all of their salary.

the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reveals that the Social Security trust fund is actually in better shape than previously thought. CBO now projects the trust fund won’t run out until 2038, a slight improvement over previous estimates and a reassuring reminder of the fund’s solvency for the next several decades. In the ongoing battle over deficit reduction, Republicans have insisted on deep cuts to Social Security, even though the program doesn’t contribute to the deficit.

If Social Security was "going broke," then people would not be getting checks each month. The government is very efficient and does a good job of distributing millions of checks on time every month. Only BIG GOVERNMENT can do that. Ryan would privatize, with the aim of eventually eliminating both Medicare and Social Security. Republicans will lose the election because they have (including Romney) embraced the Ryan budget plan.

I kind of like Fred. Sort of like that queer (not in that sort of way) old uncle I knew that was so freaking old, he didn't care if he told you exactly what he thought. (Inside story - as a youth, I had really bad acne. My dad's brother (my uncle) decided to bring this fact up during a wedding party celebration during his champagne toast to his daughter. He laughingly referred to me during his speech and called me something like "Pizza Face". Naturally, I was humiliated.) I hated his guts for years. But after I turned 30 or so, I got to know him for the miserable old cuss that he was. Fred, like my uncle, shot from the hip. They didn't care who they pissed off. The beauty of it all was that they dared to speak the truth - even though almost all of us were too pussy assed to want to hear it.

I can understand your being naive about the Jews, but how on Earth could you not have known about the Blacks? You said you went to a newly integrated high school and it was "hell". Can you explain? Have you blocked it out? Or did you make the ASSUMPTION that Blacks were just acting out during desegregation and they weren't REALLY like that?

Btw, Masonry has a similar ethos to Judaism's relation to Gentile Society. Support your brother no matter what, no matter what he has done. And the Superior is as God. It's utterly opposed to the Christian Ethic. The latter supports a Republic but Masonry subverts it. It's not surprising since Judaism is replete with Jewish and Kabbalistic Symbolism. It's beyond my expertise, but many Conspiracy Theorists consider Masonry as an early Jewish subversion of Gentile Society - from the top. Other Theorists say they are their own threat in and of themselves and are as strong or stronger than the Jews.

But in any case, all the Churches have condemned it and its effect on Civil Society.

Let me understand this. You complain about murderous Islamic and Christian religious fanatics sponsored by the US so it can thieve resources, and this is somehow the fault of zionism? You must have been butt-fucked by a black guy and this caused your brain to pop out.

You response just brought a smile to my face. Thanks!

"Amber Nieve Mederos was also killed by the white supremacist, as well as the toddler, Lily Lynn Mederos. Those don't sound like typical "white" names to me."
-asoka.-

It's a tragedy, a..

But the guy didn't kill because he was a "white supremacist." He killed because he was a GODDAM' HATE FILLED AND PSYCHOTIC MAN!

Don't politicize an issue like this by saying that your "open the border" nonsense is related to it.

Because that's just plain evil.
You're not evil, are you, a.?

The iPad accounts for 94.64% of all tablet based Web traffic. Kind of sounds like Apple is an industry leader. 94.64% is a lot.

Samsung's Galaxy tablet has 1.22% of market share. The competition seems to be kind of nonexistent.

We are three years into the tablet frenzy and I don't see anyone capable of competing with Apple.

It's beyond my expertise, but many Conspiracy Theorists consider Masonry as an early Jewish subversion of Gentile Society (Dad)

There have been and always been secret and elite societies, Vladdie me boy. It's not just "da Jews". Like Mika, Metu, aka..ad nauseum...it's the POWER ELITE YOU FUCKING IDIOT! And both you and me, pops, ain't in the fucking club...hat tip to George Carlin.

Collectively, Vladdie Big Daddy, we're essentially FUDGED. And resurrecting the KKK of your fantasy world won't turn that around.

Bravo Kramps. You are a rare good Black. Perhaps your homosexuality takes you out of "Black Culture". Alienation for the Culture at large is common to Gays. Many spies have been Queer for example. In this case it's good since Black Culture is so abysmal.

Private Manning is a fag for example. But here I have mixed feelings: I think it was Andrew Sullivan who said Nations have a right to security secrets but they have abused this very badly. I agree with that. Thus they have lost their privledge by conspiring against their own people.

Yes but that doesn't mean that we're all going to sing kumbayah. Localism and therefore Tribalism is going to come back in the biggest possible way. Alot of Whites don't get along either. Liberals are a non racial or ideological tribe. I guess that's your's.

No, P2C, you cannot hide now from your support of John Tanton, FAIR, and other anti-immigration movements, the same ones that inspired J.T. Ready.

The common threads of J.T. Ready's underlying ideology are similar to yours P2C: anti-Zionism, racism, and xenophobia. (You cloak your xenophobia in population biology arguments, but not well enough to hide your racism.)

We are three years into the tablet frenzy and I don't see anyone capable of competing with Apple.

Asoka


And THIS from a man who (according to his own accord on this site) lives on 12K or so a year? And I'm going to take his musings about stocks (like Apple) for REAL ? Yep, just like I take all of his musings for real...NOT!

"I can understand your being naive about the Jews, but how on Earth could you not have known about the Blacks? You said you went to a newly integrated high school and it was "hell". Can you explain? Have you blocked it out? Or did you make the ASSUMPTION that Blacks were just acting out during desegregation and they weren't REALLY like that?"
-Vlad the elder-

You have any idea who Kramps is, Vlad?
I promise it's not me.

To answer your question - it was hell because it was an all male high school. The racial aspect just added extra heat to the fires of that hellish situation.

And the black kids were no worse than us white kids - I sh*t you not. We were just kids, none of us wanted to be there. I told you about Mr. Reed (his real name) last year. He was my algebra teacher in 8th grade. Big black man, and a perfect math teacher for that situation.

That was 1968. That means that the man had been teaching in a SEGREGATED Bibb County school up until 1964 or later. He was a good man. He treated black and white kids equally. I wonder if he's still alive.

Vlad - you've got a bad habit of thinking ALL blacks are evil, because of some inborn trait. You're wrong.

So, a.., you want to add 30,000,000 more people to the US of A in this coming decade. The US of A that you hate? The US of A that burns through the Earth's resources at a faster rate as her population grows.

"Because that's just plain evil.
You're not evil, are you, a.?"
-p2c, question from earlier-

You are answering in the affirmative, we see.

Why?

You have any idea who Kramps is, Vlad?
I promise it's not me. PC2

We are one and the same. So goeth the father, the son doth follow (Corintheans 8:16) So you see the father, you also seeth the son: his word is my word. Go now and speak the truth (Deuteronomy 8:12)

Talk to Kramps like he was a "brutha". Forget that us White Folks are here. Start keepin' it real Soak. Call Kramps an Uncle Tom.

Vlad - you've got a bad habit of thinking ALL blacks are evil, because of some inborn trait. You're wrong. PC2

Yes, he most certainly is. Thanks for calling him out on that. He sure can be a stupid son of a bitch sometimes. Family trait, I guess.

An all male public high school? Never heard of such a thing. Or was it some kind of private academy that took public funds and had to integrate?

In any case, it wouldn't work now because Blacks don't try to be good or get good grades anymore. Whites are to blame for everything now - thanks to MLK and his ilk. King associated with violent Black revolutionaries btw. His pacifism was strictly stategic.

all male high school

============

So, your family owned slaves in Georgia. Check.

You went to an all male high school. Check.

Through inheritance you acquired acres of land. Check.

White privilege. Check.

Racist antisemitic xenophobe. Check.

More like oreo, don't you think?

Most Blacks are bad because of genetics, bad culture, and the self indulgence engendered by White coddling. Blacks were much better people before the so called Civil Rights Movement and Great Society ruined their separate culture.

OH, HELL, Vlad - you're getting senile.
I talked all about this, specifically with your racist ass, winter before last.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_High_School_%28Macon,_Georgia%29

"In any case, it wouldn't work now because Blacks don't try to be good or get good grades anymore. Whites are to blame for everything now"
-vlad-

That does seem to be the case, Vlad.
Asoka. is a cheerleader for this "blame whitey," attitude - and it has really screwed our native born blacks over.

Your are an evil bastard, asoka..

I do not fear this son of a bitch, Bill.
I hate him - for this smarmy and deliberate fucking up of the CFN dialog.

And if you were paying attention, dumbassoka, it was a PUBLIC high school in the throes of desegregation.

Damn you.

Love this >, you pernicious jackass.

Good opening salvo Soak. Uncle Tom was just a suggestion - glad you "made it your own". You need to become like him.

And you deny that "whitey" deserves blame?

Blame for developing system of racial segregation (de jure in the past) that still exists (de facto today).

(BTW, "whitey" is a hateful word I don't use, P2C)

And both you and me, pops, ain't in the fucking club...hat tip to George Carlin.
==

Vlad obeys his masters, like a good dog. And when his nazi Vatican handlers say bark this, he will bark this. And when his nazi Vatican handlers say bark that, he will bark that. All the "thinking" is already done for him. He brings nothing original to the table. And it looks like he'll march to his death like the rest of them white super race idiots.

P2C, you are confirming that you are a hater.

"P2C, you are confirming that you are a hater."
-a.-

Gee, you think?

I hate evil.

I believe you are a good representation of it.

Sounds like a tragic loss of tradition. But the separation into boys/girls is probably a good idea. Sex is so distracting to the young. Was it a test school too? That would help weed out the unfit. Blacks have ended many such schools since they can't get into them.

Could I trouble you for the name of that internet pharmacy again? I went back but I couldn't seem to find it. The name would suffice if you don't have the link. I got a book about survival medicine and I'm ready to order. Thanks.

Tell Kramps the reasons for your opposition to Homosexuality. Prominent Christians and Jews are united to stop the spread of Homo Power in Israel.

I hate evil. I believe you are a good representation of it.

================

Interesting.

Thanks for sharing your hatred.

There is another possible response to evil.

You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil.

-- Matthew 5:38-39 ESV

P2C, xenophobe and hater of evil,
Boring like a southern boll weevil,
Cleaned-up corporation progress,
Dying in the process.
Children that can talk about it,
Living on the webways.
People moving sideways,
Sell it till your last days.
Buy yourself the motivation,
Generation nothing.
Nothing but a dead scene,
Product of a white dream.

Bravo, you are ahead of most Christians most of whom don't believe in evil anymore or just see it in PC terms.

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Well, I'm still alive this morning.

I was beginning to think Mika, Buck, Bill, and asoka would try to kill me in my sleep - the way they were all circling me.

Let me make a retraction:

I was beginning to think Mika, Buck, and asoka would try to kill me in my sleep - the way they were all circling me.

Bill, you weren't part of last nights attempted beat down. And I'm still very interested in your response to me.

Just a [non]response, here.

Very, very few are interested in responding to this boatload of garbage, steaming jauntily toward Atlantis. (IMHO, and evidently.)

Have fun.
Good job! (It's what we say to 3-6 yr-olds to make sure they know they're the most specialist special child ever.)

So, apparently we can deduce that you are unwilling to defend me, "to the death."

Smart fellow.

God you make me sick Kunstler. First time I check your blog in months and the first words I see are "I flew off to Chicago". You must use about 100x as much fuel as I do, and I'm small farmer who actually provides something of use to society.

You also probably know that oil and conventional "green tech" is bs, and that the real problems with society are the reserve banks and other things, but you're only in it for the money. Understandable but not exactly commendable. I hope your next plane gets hijacked by terrorists and flies into a windmill.

Notice how much I responded last night. I agree with you. But no matter how much we don't like it, race is an issue in America and probably will be very pertinent when and if TSHTF. How racial discussions quickly degenerate on the blog is a forerunner of what will happen in a time of resource scarcity.

I was beginning to think Mika, Buck, and asoka would try to kill me in my sleep - the way they were all circling me.

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Pure paranoia. As a believer in nonviolence I do not want anybody to be killed. I don't believe Buck has ever threatened you in any way either.

You are one of my favorite posters, P2C, and a reason I continue to be a part of CFN.

We would be friends and would get along well if we were to meet one another.

We are both facing the Long Emergency together and I think we are both part of the 99% (how many acres were passed down to you by your slave-owning ancestors? Did you get a mule, too?)


"How racial discussions quickly degenerate on the blog is a forerunner of what will happen in a time of resource scarcity."
-btb-

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ring the bell of truth for Bill!

Your refusal to take ownership, or to retract, your pledge to defend Mika "to the death," makes you part of the problem, Bill.

Despite your "highminded?" silence last night.

Which did allow you to have your cake, while enjoying your own sanctimony - as you let others eat the slice you cut.

"Pure paranoia. As a believer in nonviolence I do not want anybody to be killed. I don't believe Buck has ever threatened you in any way either."
-asoka.-

Soak, it was hyperbole, ya' dum'ass.

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"We would be friends and would get along well if we were to meet one another."
-asoka.-

I would not be too sure about that, sonny boy.

I generally picture you as being like Osho in Oregon - a poor neighbor, arrogant, sanctimonious, willing to exploit the homeless by bussing them in and then refusing to help them.

I suspect you would do almost anything to stir up trouble and distract people from constructive dialog.

That's certainly what you do here.

Despite your "highminded?" silence last night.

Which did allow you to have your cake, while enjoying your own sanctimony - as you let others eat the slice you cut.

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Completely unfair, P2C.

You are well aware of BeantownBill's sensible one-time response policy.

His silence is part of a rational policy NOT to get drawn into futile discussions of race.

I suspect you would do almost anything to stir up trouble and distract people from constructive dialog. That's certainly what you do here.

Thank you for the compliment but I'm not sure I deserve it. You are giving me way too much power to influence others and "distract from constructive dialog."

Constructive dialog? That is a bit high-minded.

We are entertaining one another here and I enjoy all the attention you are giving me.

I appreciate very much how you are so tolerant that you are willing to dialog week after week with a person you consider to be "pure evil." I salute you, P2C.

Just out of interest, does anyone else realize that the only person who posts in the comments section after the first day or so is Asoka and his aliases? Poor Kunstler thinks his blog is so popular but literally most of the comments are from 1 person.

SO FAR ONLY ASOKA HAS MENTIONED MUMIA HERE RECENTLY.
WHO BETTER THAN A COP KILLER TO PONTIFICATE ON POLICE BRUTALITY!?
HAD THE USA NOT LET HIM IN, HE MAYBE WOULD STILL BE ALIVE, LIKE THOSE 20+ PEEPS ON THE LONG ISLAND RAILROAD KILLED BY BLACK RACIST [COLIN FERGUSON, WAS THAT HIS NAME?]

I think that was Ma Sheela, as Osho had 'given the power over to wimmen'.
What happened to her? She tried to kill people and went to jail? Wheres the dear gal now?

Oh Fk Off, leave P2C alone.

That's some pretty harsh words about our host, JHK, Jez. Jim is above all an author, and as an author he needs to move around, make public appearances etc. to promote his books. It just comes with the job. Also he has an important message to get out. I attended one of his presentations a few years ago in Connecticut, which he drove to from his home in New York State. It was well attended and even covered by the local media.

So don't begrudge him his travel. Like I say, its just something necessary right now.

--WSP7

For my part I don't believe he's black, nor do I believe he's old. Just a gut feel, that's all.

I challenged him to justify his racist hate mongering. He didn't. Maybe he couldn't.

He still hasn't answered my question as to the reconquista of the US southwest. You know, if it's "karma" and "basic justice" that hispanics take the southwest, then does it follow that it's "karma" and "basic justice" that Jews complete the reconquista of Palestine? Was it "karma" that Amerindians lost two continents to European invaders?

As for Dee, I haven't read his posts much.

Maybe he's a "liberal", you know, one of those people inhabiting one end of the political spectrum. But, like I said, I haven't read his posts much so I can't judge him personally.

In my estimation too many liberals live ideologically blinkered lives, are badly educated, unaquainted with facts, evidence, basic reasoning skills, common sense. They present themselves as intellectuals but all most of them do is to parrot the nonsense they hear from their ideological fellow travlellers, seemingly unable to think for themselves.

There's more than one malicious little fuckweed posting comments on this site. If this is any reasonable cross-section of American society you begin to understand the dysfunction in the political sphere. Too many who can't or don't reason, who love to hate and who just want to see the world burn.

LOL!

I am also posting as Jez, just to stir the pot... my own pot, full of alias stew!

No serious dialog happens here because many of the aliases are mine, talking among themselves (and I am not a serious person) proving you can enjoy the Long Emergency on US$1,000 a month.

Open the borders. Welcome the immigrants. Learn to live with and love your neighbors.

Oh, and you are not? - DJ

No I'm not and I don't. Now do yourself a favor and learn to read.

I generally picture you as being like Osho in Oregon - a poor neighbor

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Poor? 95 Rolls Royces disqualifies you as poor. Osho and I both believe in living simply. We simply like the best of everything. Has worked for me.

You still haven't answered my challenge from a long time ago: for you to give and full and fair and balanced analysis of the historical circumstances of the use of nuclear weapons in WW2.

I even suggested some lines of inquiry. Of course, since it would be your analysis you would be free to pursue lines of attack of your own. Because, as I said, your conclusions, based on the limited use of information that you displayed, would require me to give you one big fat fucking fail. Which I already have.

Now, fuckweed, (I'm getting tired of calling you asshole), maybe you'd like to broaden your outlook a bit, you know, approach the study of human history and human nature without the malice and hate that permeats your spiny little mind. (maybe see a doctor, maybe there's meds that will help). Because when it comes to the catalogue of violence perpetrated by various societies you put great emphasis on that coming from caucasians, in particular the USA. Maybe you'd care to explore some others. Maybe you'd care to look at some factors such as the development of technology and industrializarion.

I'm only concerned with your intellectual and moral development given that they're both so obviously deficient. No, no I'm not blaming you, it's all society's fault. For sure.

But here's some suggestions fuckweed: look at Imperial Japan, Communist China, imperialist Muslim kingdoms, the Mongols, Magyars, Huns, the more recent goings on in subsaharan Africa. And there are others.

Now get to it. We'll be waiting to hear from you. Maybe you'll surprise everyone. More likely you'll make everyone laugh. But give it a try anyhow.

You nailed it, Asoka. I find it necessary to refute racist commentary, mostly, but I don't want to get drawn in to a long, rancorous back-and-forth, so I reply once to such comments.

I'm now off to the Connecticut casino to indulge in my one major vice - gambling - and since I work tomorrow, I'll probably not be in touch until Sunday, p.m.

And thank you for your response.

"Your refusal to take ownership, or to retract, your pledge to defend Mika "to the death,"

Uh, before I go, since I posted that remark under my own screen name, I would have thought I automatically took ownership. And that's all I got to say about the matter.

OK -
Thanks for confirming everyone's worst sterotypes concerning your Tribe.

Amazing.

"Poor? 95 Rolls Royces disqualifies you as poor."
-The Resident Impediment-
-aka The Buddha-Pest-

So, let's try that again, asoka..

"I generally picture you as being like Osho in Oregon - a poor* neighbor" -p2c-

Which, by poor I obviously meant -

abominable, amiss, arrant, artless, atrocious, , backward, bad, barren, base, beggarly, beneath contempt, cadaverous, cheap, cheeseparing, cheesy, chintzy, coarse, common, con, contemptible, crappy, crude, crumbling, crummy, debased, decrepit, depraved, desolate, despicable, destitute, dirty, disappointing, discontented, disenchanted, disgruntled, disgusting, disillusioned, disintegrating, displeased, dissatisfied, dissenting, distressed, dwarfed, execrable, exhausted, exiguous, famished, feeble, flimsy, foul, fourth-class, fulsome, gaudy,, gross, hack, haggard, half-assed,

Pick any one - to describe the sort of neighbor you would most assuredly be, asoka..

Of course you knew that, already.
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Now, having apparently proven everyone's worst stereotypical beliefs concerning TWO members of our host, JHK's, ethnic group -
(sorry about that, JHK, got to call 'em like I see 'em)

I think I'll take the rest of the week off.

Maybe run over to Occidental Observer, or something - and try to fit myself into the stereotype that Bill deserves.

Wow.

I'm proud of my Kramps, my gay Black Son. Like Gunga Din, his White Blood has conquered the darkness of his Black side. One is reminded of Gunga Din, who though mortally wounded, still crawled to his bugle to warn his English comrades of the attack. His dark genes wanted to just lie down and die but then noble Aryan Ancestor within him wouldn't let him until he had done his duty. Kramps' fairness and intelligence speak well of the strength of my Seed.

In contrast, consdider Asoka - who is also part White. The Darkness has conquered his White part. The intelligence he inherited from his White genes is used to attack Whites and further the cause of Negritude.

Geez, the Chinese knockoff spam is starting to make more sense than most of the commentary, backbiting, insults, and lunacy here.

Jim, just close it down. This comments section has just become a great big waste of time.

Nothing of value is added here, or rarely, the comments regarding your health issues were the rare exception.

And I see my progeny has been sneaking in under my login and stirring up the pot too.[ ;)] Gotta keep changing that password.

Geesh, what a bunch of loosers. Probably will all kill themselves if Jim ever does shut down the comments here, they have no real lives to live.

That might be for the best in the end.

Over & Out. Dee

Actually Prog, I never give you a second thought outside of the occasional cursory glance at one of your posts. But I do recall you posting a Fred article a while back ago which I just learned was done after Ozone turned you on to him.

At any rate, what type of blog circles does Fred typically turn up in anyway? Academic? Ethnic? Survivalist? Or just sites like this where racists posing as level headed moderates are delusional enough to think that anyone with room temp IQ believes their ridiculously phony bullshit?

Anyway, I've wasted far too much time on you but I do hope you'll sleep better knowing that you slide off one's mind quicker than Vlad yanking to a David Duke tirade.

You're much too kind, Buck. I prefer to play with these snakes and make them swallow their own slime. Speaking of which..

Thanks for confirming everyone's worst sterotypes concerning your Tribe.
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And what might these worst stereotypes be? C'mon, snake, let's hear it.

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600th! Congrats to "I'll Have Another" for winning the Kentucky Derby. I enjoyed watching it at home, wearing my big, flowered hat, and sipping on a long mint julep. My dress was to die for, light and billowy. Too bad it rained here and I couldn't parade myself around the hood, as is my usual custom.

I swallow.

Well, golly Dee, why do you continue to post here if you feel that way? Jes askin.

I know. Now fly back to Africa. And stay there.

You are so racist and homophobic. I think I love you! But what am I so affraid of?

Far as Rajneesh/Osho [renamed because he had a bad name] One of the books [By Shiva, His Bodyguard!]
talks about his million dollar watch!!!
That he wore 1x!
And how the people afar were told the movement in Oregon was broke, so donate more money!

look at Imperial Japan, Communist China, imperialist Muslim kingdoms, the Mongols, Magyars, Huns, the more recent goings on in subsaharan Africa. And there are others.

OK, Rhino, I did my research. Turns out although communists, Muslims, etc. have had nuclear weapons for decades, none of them have used them on urban civilian population centers to kill men, women, children, babies, pregnant women, etc.

ONLY WASPS HAVE BEEN SO MORALLY DEPRAVED. Only white Christians have used nuclear weapons on civilians.

No other race or religious group, only white Christians, have used nuclear weapons on civilians, in all of human history, according to my research. Perhaps I have missed something and you could enlighten us?

Even those races or religious groups who have nuclear weapons in their possession, have never used them against civilian populations in wartime, even though they have enemies that they hate.

Only white Christians have used nuclear weapons on civilians. You seem to be avoiding the truthfulness of that fact. You want to think all groups and races are equally morally depraved.

You refuse to admit that you belong to the only group/race in the history of humankind who has been so bereft of humanity as to incinerate civilians with weapons that cause pain, suffering, and birth defects for generations. No conventional weapons do that. Nuclear weapons do.

antisoak, I am now reading a new book (2012) about Osho called Glimpses of My Master by Veena Schlegel.

It gives the inside story of life with Osho since she met Osho even before the bodyguard you mentioned.

Great book!

http://www.amazon.com/Glimpses-my-Master-Veena-Schlegel/product-reviews/1470075776

Veena writes with an engaging immediacy that brings her world of 40 or so years ago vividly to life. I raced from page to page, eager for those glimpses of her personal contact with the Beloved Master Osho, and her first-hand accounts of the extraordinary methods he used to bring his disciples to meditation and maturity.

After being one of the very first Westerners to take sannyas and later residing in Osho's household as his personal seamstress, Veena is a living authority on the events that took place around him, so often shrouded in malice and controversy. Her intelligence and integrity have produced a shining and very readable personal tribute to a great and fearless mystic who used unconventional and unique methods to wake us up.

Thank you, Veena, for sharing your wonderful memories; highly recommended.

Thank you, antisoak, for bringing up Osho again. The more I learn about Osho the more I like him.

ONLY WASPS HAVE BEEN SO MORALLY DEPRAVED. Only white Christians have used nuclear weapons on civilians //// Assy

OMG! You are such a closet racist!

A vote for Romney is a vote for Bush.

Romney has chosen 21 campaign advisors. 17 of them were in the Bush administration. You can bet Romney will continue to surround himself with Bush-era politicians.

A vote for Romney is a vote for Bush.

I am stating a fact. Nobody can refute the historical record. Whites are guilty of killing millions of people in the 20th century and only whites have used nuclear weapons on civilians, with long-term suffering from radiation that affects generations through birth defects. Only whites. Hurts you, doesn't it. I can tell by your squealing that I am a racist.

The medical effects of a nuclear blast upon humans can be put into four categories:

What group in the history of warfare has chosen to use nuclear weapons against civilians? Only whites. What conventional weapons have such long-term effects? Only nuclear weapons.

Initial stage—the first 1–9 weeks, in which are the greatest number of deaths, with 90% due to thermal injury and/or blast effects and 10% due to super-lethal radiation exposure

Intermediate stage—from 10–12 weeks. The deaths in this period are from ionization radiation in the median lethal range

Late period—lasting from 13–20 weeks. This period has some improvement in survivors' condition.

Delayed period—from 20+ weeks. Characterized by “numerous complications, mostly related to healing of thermal and mechanical injuries coupled with infertility, sub-fertility and blood disorders caused by radiation.” Also, ionizing radiation from fallout can cause genetic effects, birth defects, cancer, cataracts and other effects in organs and tissue.


The next time I'm conscious will be a dream...
The next time I'm conscious will be a dream...
The next time I'm conscious will be a dream...
... (ad infinitum) ...

Just chant that prior to sleepy-time, each night, and you *TOO* can become a lucid dreamer.

After a few months/years, it will just happen auto*majikally*! Those nightmares of old, now become entertaining - quite amazing really!!!

As for me, tonite - specifically? I'll be, "Howling At The *MOON*!!!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK3ZrV0A9LI

You are a racist. The worst kind. Worse than Vlad. And you don't seem to get it. Africans sold their own brethren into slavery. Don't get me wrong, soak, people, white and black and every color have been doing the same since time began. You try to pin all of the worlds problems on the white man. You, and EVERYMAN, is responsible for the hatred and cruelty that people of color have experienced over the past 200 years. That doesn't make it right. It is was it is. Please! Don't continue to hide behind it.

Asoka,

It's always revealing when folks mythologize a past that never actually existed. Or try and ignore/marginalize it altogether. Vlad does it all the time. For example, Vlad equated slavery with a bad marriage; as if kidnapping a "bride" constitutes a marriage.

But I like when that happens because a false, jingoistic nostalgia is best juxtaposed against greater truths asserted by wiser men. A man such as Albert Camus:

"Those who weep for the happy periods which they encounter in history acknowledge what they want; not the alleviation but the silencing of misery."

asoka, to your credit, blacks have been kept too dumb to hoist any big attack on TPTB. It isn't your fault. It isn't my fault. We are just too fucking dumb, and now we must eat the fucking shit sandwich that has been laid out before us.


Oh, that's right, you've escaped. You've left your afro american brothers behind.
God Bless.

Sounds like hissing to me.

You are a racist.

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You are a comedian.

Thanks for keeping me entertained.

"The next time I'm conscious will be a dream..."

WUT on *EARTH* are U talkin' 'bout, *BOYIE*!!!

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    "Too many who can't or don't reason, who love to hate and who just want to see the world burn."

    You. You're gonna burn...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z61tlxcqaVE

    "What conventional weapons have such long-term effects? Only nuclear weapons."

    What do you mean by conventional?
    Self-replicating endogenous retrovirus?
    Time marches on.

    Oh, by the way, you get version 2.
    We have version 4.

    Negates the effects of your version doncha' know.

    Actually kidnapping the bride was one of the ancient forms of marriage in Vedic India - the Ksyatria Marriage. But that's not what you meant nor does what you meant have anything to do with what I said or meant.

    Blacks aren't going to forgive us for our sin (which they are guilty of too as Kramps said). We have tried to make it right but they aren't having it. We can do no more. It has failed. Of course Turk thinks they should be treated special in perpetuity. But at whose expense? Our's obviously. But would Turk want to be one of the ones's who pays the price? Would you? Isn't is supposed to be those bad Whites who pay and never you good Whites?

    He still hasn't answered my question as to the reconquista of the US southwest.

    ================

    The reconquista is going very well. Thank you very much for inquiring.

    Political control of the Southwest United States should be returned to Mexico by providing an Amnesty or "path to citizenship" for the (over 20 million) illegal aliens.

    Illegal aliens are being taxed every time they make a purchase, but they have no representation. No taxation without representation!

    An Amnesty would effectively give Mexico political control within a few years, remedying the situation that exists now of illegal USA corporate exploitation of southwest residents just because they happen not to have "papers."
    Finally, Mexico will recover the land stolen by the USA through war and broken treaties.

    Legalize all aliens now!

    Gee, xhalor, from the context you could surmise that by conventional I mean non-nuclear 20th century and before weaponry.

    Conventional weapons do not do damage to future generations after those injured by conventional weapons die. Nuclear weapons do damage future generations through genetic defects. Name any other weapon that can do that.

    Studies of children born to survivors of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki show increased frequency of negative pregnancy outcomes (stillbirth, major congenital defects, death during the first postnatal week) and increased occurrence of death in live-born children, through an average of life expectancy of 17 years.

    What conventional weapon is capable of causing damage like that to future generations related to the person injured by a conventional weapon?

    "Legalize all aliens now!"

    In this country, best you start with legalising homelessness first.

    So what international body of military strategists appointed you "the decider" of what a modern conventional is?

    That's "conventional weapon".

    "Blacks aren't going to forgive us for our sin...We have tried to make it right but they aren't having it."

    Dearest Vlad,

    I see that you have turned the corner on "separtate but equal". You and I both know that it was a deal that YOU would never accept...

    We have finally arrived at "separate but separate"

    I am so hopeful.

    You're almost ready for the realisation that on OUR side of the Himalayas; given the behaviour of European Caucasians since, oh, let's say the beginning of OUR recorded history, NO RACE of HUMANS, and I do mean NO RACE, has to justify it's actions, let alone it's EXISTENCE. to the likes of you.

    I'll tell ya what's great about THIS Saturday night. Two of our occupants got the BEER schedule confused. Our cup runneth over. Makes me wanna type. No, not type here. Type blood.

    Nuclear weapons damage future generations through genetic defects. Name any other weapon that can do that. Cite evidence.

    "Nuclear weapons damage future generations through genetic defects"

    Never mind that our lifestyle is about to "thin out" the males better than any of our idiotic wars have ever done, you are actually challenging me to site references for the US Military's state of the art biological weapons?

    Jeezuz, you really are fuckin' retarded.

    Is it possible that the press to decode the human genome was driven by the realisation that the only realistic way to adapt to the environmental pollution problem is to change our genetics?

    Unless you're in The Club. Then you get to examine the solar system of Alpha Centauri. OK. For you guys, the modifications will be minor, I swear.

    a good weekend brought up short by medical misadventures -

    so now I'm in a strange house in a strange city
    I can't sleep
    I know - log onto CFN to talk to my always fair, open minded, friends - Mika, Met, Buck, Bill, and asoka -

    Why, p2c, was that sarcasm?
    Yes, yes it was.

    "At any rate, what type of blog circles does Fred typically turn up in anyway? Academic? Ethnic? Survivalist? Or just sites like this where racists posing as level headed moderates are delusional enough to think that anyone with room temp IQ believes their ridiculously phony bullshit?"

    Wow, bs what a great demonstration of open mindedness. Writing off every single word that a talented author types because of the "blog circles the typically....blah, blah.

    Damn, sarcams still stuck to Full On.

    Next case.

    "You're much too kind, Buck. I prefer to play with these snakes and make them swallow their own slime. Speaking of which.."
    -mika/met-

    First of all, you ol' America-hating, white-hating, racist, snake-fetishist you - you should have learned by now that snakes are not slimy.

    They are reptiles, therefor they have dry scaly skin.

    In the second verse, catch the phrase,
    "Smiles like a reptile"

    If you will excuse me, I must contemplate Mittens.

    Shit! Here's the link. Am I drunk?
    Of course I am.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGQo6zpVzt8

    "And what might these worst stereotypes be? C'mon, snake, let's hear it."
    -mika/met, local herpetologist-

    The sterotype that says Jews will always stick together and gang up on a Goy.

    You and Bill more than reinforce this sterotype - you are a LIVING BREATHING EMBODIMENT OF IT - laid out in text for all the world to see.

    ======================
    Then we have BS sailing randomly and hypocritically into the discussion from left field to link me to Fred, because "everybody" knows Fred is BAAD, right:

    "Fred was introduced to CFN by ProCon: the poster who claims to so mentally perplexed and emotionally traumatized by "tribalism"."
    -more BS-

    Buck, I'm not mentally perplexed and blah, blah - I am appalled by "tribalism."

    It goes against everything I have EVER believed about what it means to be an American.*

    ====================
    Now, having said the word "American" in something short of full despise-mode -

    I shall wait for an attack from asoka.- because "everyone" knows that American was never good, has never been good, can never be good, because it is filled with white people who used atomic weapons designed by really smart Jews.
    (oh, sorry = strike that last part, I got carried away and let some truth intrud for a second.)

    In summary -

    Mika is a racist. He has openly advocated genocide. His racism is acceptable, however, because he directs it against "whites?" He does have particular disdain for "blue eyed devil dogs." You would think that a Jew from Russia, whose ancestors presumably had some troubles with the Germans and the REAL Nazis - would be more careful with his choices of words.

    That he is not, demonstrates what he would do if he were faced with a gas chamber of blue eyed people and found himself holding a can of ZyklonB.

    ===================================
    But does anyone on this whole God-forsaked website condemn Mika for his hate, his racism, and his promises of genocide.

    Well - E does. But Bill doesn't listen to E.
    And I do. But Buck doesn't listen to me.

    So no condemnation at ALL for Mika from the real "people that matter" on CFN.

    But we do have a, now confirmed, promise on the part of Bill to defend Mika "to the death."

    And nobody thinks this is appalling but me.

    Shit.

    ================================

    Wow.
    I feel better.
    I think I'll go back to bed until duty calls, again.

    You five guys should feel worse; Mika, Met, Buck, Bill, asoka..

    You won't, of course.
    You are stuck in a completely self-referntial circle jerk of mental masturbation.

    That's what that slime is, that you feel slipping down your throats.

    Dee's right. Shut this son of a bitch DOWN, JHK.

    "who used atomic weapons designed by really smart Jews."

    OK. I have determined that I have an opportunity to bang my dentist. I have seen people in American jails tear each other up with just enough of a grab on a #2 pencil to get the job done.

    Y'all are still wondering about nuclear weapons.

    I'm gonna stick my hands down Dr. Nancy's smok.

    Oh, just so you know how they think in Chicagoland (the city of broad swindles), here's an article from waaaaay back in the olden days of Mar. 30th, 2012.

    Seems that the brightest guys on the take have come up with the brilliant plan to call in the hyenas to revivify the corpse of downtown Chi-town. Uhhhh, boyz? Hyenas are known more for tearing apart and eating the dead and not for bringing them magically back to the land of the living; not ringing any bells? Getting paid not to pull on the bell rope? Hello; McFly?

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/03/chicago-banking-on-7-billion-to-fix-crumbling-infrastructure-without-washington/

    Hey! I know; privatize the Chicago Po'lice! Now were talkin'. Where are they holding that NATO summit BTW?

    "...Under the new arrangement, a non-profit fund known as the Chicago Infrastructure Trust – unveiled last month with former President Bill Clinton in attendance – will employ the resources and experience of the private sector to address Chicago’s public infrastructure problems."

    Uhhhhhh-oh. I smell a rat. (Make that an entire colony of rats. Who's gonna be gettin' rich off of picking the bones of Chicago? Pay attention to the dying whimpers of a mighty empire. Priorities people, priorities.)

    LOL
    Mmmm, I hear yez. Dr. Nancy is warm and cuddly beneath that smock, and her smile is dazzling! (Ask her where she buys her scrubs; they fit her so nicely, and say something about her hair and eyes, for goodness sake. Go to it!)

    Here's a light and breezy site that I thought youse might enjoy when you can find the time away from your various skin-tone concerns:

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/americas-crumbling-infrastructure

    (BTW, I found the comment section to be just as squirrely as this one, if not a little more so. Focus causes pain; so cut that out! ;o)

    Everything we learned about racism and eugenics, we learned from youz tribe, snake. Can't wait 'till it stomps you dead, snake.

    Take heart, Poppets. There is some infrastructure that's being attended to. "Infrastructure you can believe in", no less!

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31252.htm

    Watching the Watcher watching the watching:
    - http://youtu.be/hxi5tsjib1s

    a good weekend brought up short by medical misadventures -

    =================

    I will continue to pray for the well being of you are your family, P2C.

    you are actually challenging me to site references for the US Military's state of the art biological weapons?

    Umm, no, the USA has outdated versions.

    And the correct word is "cite"

    You must be a poorly educated Hoosier.

    Here is a short documentary I was able to see on Netflix streaming a couple of days ago.

    The Ecological Footprint. Dr. Mathis Wackernagel introduces the Ecological Footprint, a resource accounting tool that measures human demand on the Earth.

    Seems we started biting into the earth's capital in 1985. Cornucopian thinking like conventional economics is a form of brain damage. If you can add and subtract the writing is on the wall. Dr. Wackernagel can be the new DOE, Secretary and we will put Steven Chu on the unemployment line. If Dr. Wackernagel thinks he can be more effective in another role that's fine. Regardless there are plenty of dogs out there who 'get it' and have not been previously employed by BP or another one of the other Oil companies or banks.

    Don't fall for the Mitt the Twit scare tactic, Obama is just as bad. They are both smilin liars. Vote for K-dog.

    Holy mackerel Dr. Wackernagel.

    I wish more people could add and subtract.

    If more people could add and subtract we might replace the members of the millionaires club with Americans who care about the future of their country.

    We have plenty of talented people who are out of work, some are even highly educated. In a land of 300 million we can find our own brains thank you very much.

    An unlikely K-dog alliance Lamar Smith. Probably the only thing we agree on though.

    From the article.

    "Advocates say the changes would improve U.S. competitiveness by retaining science-savvy immigrants, rather than forcing them to return home, where they would apply their knowledge to compete against U.S. companies. Over time, those arguments have won over prominent politicians from both parties, including from President Barack Obama, who has talked about "stapling a green card to the diplomas" of such students."

    And if that's not enough to make you hurl, here is another. Congress could be inching closer to allowing more high-skilled foreign workers to remain in the country.

    The millionaires club (congress) is hell bent on destroying the employment prospects of Americans.

    Is there any other developed country with leaders who care so little about their own citizens?

    Where else can a citizen go to college, get massively in debt and then watch jobs they should be qualified for go to foreign nationals while they serve the new Americans food and coffee hoping for tips that won't be coming. They aren't as generous as native born Americans don't you know.

    The answer, nowhere but here.

    That's all from me for a while. I'm busy getting my 'learn' on, not that it matters. I'm sure my employment prospects would be better if I spoke Mandarin.

    K-dog for president.

    More blathering. You still didn't answer my question fuckweed.

    I'll repeat it:

    if it's "karma" and "basic justice" that hispanics take the southwest, then does it follow that it's "karma" and "basic justice" that Jews complete the reconquista of Palestine? Was it "karma" that Amerindians lost two continents to European invaders?

    So fuckweed, your commentary on the use of the nukes on Japan in WW2 is a still brain-dead dump of talking points from a flat-lining ideologue.

    What you haven't done fuckweed is tell us what YOU would have done had you been in Harry Truman's shoes in 1945 or if you had been advising Truman. Morally depraved was it? OK tell us what you would have done. Give it a try fuckweed and try to not make it sound too moronic because your posts detract from the generally good quality of commentary on this site.

    Enlighten you fuckweed? I have aready done so on this issue. Maybe you missed it. Tough titties, do your own thinking. If you can.

    I'm gonna burn? You're probably right.

    So now you have decided to become a comic, too. Wonderful! A comic of hypothetical proportions, asking hypothetical questions. Can't you deal with the simple reality of white moral depravity?

    Rhino, my affirmation is that any use of nuclear weapons is a crime under international law, and I consider that any use of nuclear weapons for any purpose whatsoever by my government or anyone else is a War Crime.

    In human history only morally depraved white Christians have actually used nuclear weapons. No other race, ethnic group, or religious group has shown themselves to be so morally depraved.

    I refuse to accept any use of nuclear weapons in my name or on my behalf and call upon my government to renounce and prevent all uses of nuclear weapons. I favor immediate unilateral nuclear disarmament. Does that make it clear to you?

    Thank you for your response and for giving me a platform, thank you for your invitation.

    We've got a tsunami coming in. The trick of it is that if your boat is overloaded with people and baggage, you are going to capsize. So better to get a surfboard and just surf it, because eventually we are going to be dolphins, just playing in the waves, completely emerged into formlessness.

    http://www.unplugfromthepatriarchy.com

    If we part the mystical veils and look at planet Earth, what do we see right now?

    We’re at the end of a cycle of time. The Patriarchy’s profit-before-people system has been defeated on the mystical planes. Humanity’s 5,000-year schooling in power, abuse of power, and masculine/feminine imbalance is at an end.

    Mother Divine has handed the reins of power to women. Mother Earth has given the global elite their due. Multi-dimensional forces have battled for control of the planet. The dust has settled. The victors have emerged. Mother Earth and her peoples hold the field.

    -- Lucia René

    http://www.unplugfromthepatriarchy.com

    Well Dawg, at first I didn't believe it. I mean, when I was growing up, I learned about the Great Depression. My question then was: How can a government survive when there are 25% of employable men out of work. What (sane) government would want this situation? Now I know. Our government isn't sane. It's run by ruthless sociopaths who love taking money from Israel and China while our country turns into one huge gigantic shit pile.

    The answer to this riddle and so many others is to follow the money. Those hidden and not so hidden agendas are forcing us all to be the bitches of Israel and China.

    We no longer have a country. We have a Cunt-ry. That's right. We rent whatever we have out to the highest bidder and we fuck whoever is a "citizen" - read brain dead follower.

    Will Americans ever figure this out? Probably not. I'm not a betting man, but the odds of an uprising of the great unwashed is pretty slim, seems to me anyways.

    Don't believe me? Well look at how many have been prosecuted for the fraud that brought us to our knees in '08. (hint- none) And Eric (place) Holder continues to sit quietly with his finger up his ass while these moral degenerates get away with the financial ruin of this cuntry.

    In the mean while, our liberties our swiftly being carried away. We are little more than an internment camp, not unlike an occupied country during war time. Be careful what you do and say. We are, each and every one of us, being watched by our government and its lackies. Just like Nazi Germany in the '30s, we have to be very careful what we say, even to our neighbors. Who knows what we might get arrested for. And now our president has the right to detain, arrest (indefinitely), and imprison (indefinitely) any citizen he deems worthy of "terroristic" or suspect activity.

    Are you scared yet? If you're not, you're not paying attention.

    Safe inside your mud hut, out of country, of course. You continue to bleed the U.S. treasury, collecting your Social Security, and leave the fighting and misery to us. If I didn't have a little esteem for reptiles, I'd call you one, bitch!

    Thank you for respecting reptiles.

    I have put much more into the US Treasury than I have taken out.

    Yes, I am safe out of country. I suspect that is really what is bugging you. That someone can be happy outside the USA, enjoying their ENTITLEMENT.

    I am totally not bugged by you being out of the country. One less nigger is a real accomplishment, in my book. Thanks for leaving. And try to STAY out, bitch!

    Somebody needs to take their nap.

    Somebody needs to take their nap.

    Subject/verb agreement. Good thing Q isn't around to kick your lazy ass. When will whites get tire of cleaning up after your sloppy language? Hint: Somebody needs to take his/her nap..."their" is plural...jackass! No wonder our schools are in such a mess. Thanks for leaving, again, btw. One less idiot to clean up after.

    The basic rule states that a singular subject takes a singular verb, while a plural subject takes a plural verb, so my usage of "their" was correct. How many sockpuppets/aliases are you? My use of the plural was to include them all. The schools are fine... you need some help.

    The sterotype that says Jews will always stick together and gang up on a Goy.

    You and Bill more than reinforce this sterotype - you are a LIVING BREATHING EMBODIMENT OF IT - laid out in text for all the world to see.
    ==

    But, snake, I count only 2 Jews vs at least 4 goy nazis. And Bill got here only very recently. So who ganged up on whom, snake?

    So again you got caught in a lie. And again and again you prove the true stereotype about youz snake, that youz are lying schemers, thieving bloodthirsty callous maniacs. Youz will be stomped to dust until youz are no more.

    But, snake, I count only 2 Jews vs at least 4 goy nazis
    Snake?
    4 goynazis?

    My hissing sock-puppet, what is all this talk of conspiracy? Chow on your corn-syrup. There is no conspiracy!

    What the problem, nigger dummy?

    MEANWHILE IN FRANCE.....FROM FOXNEWS

    French President Nicolas Sarkozy lost his bid for a second term Sunday to Socialist candidate Francois Hollande, in a vote that could have reverberations across Europe and around the world – and especially in Washington.

    The decision marks a sharp turn away from the budget-cutting policies trumpeted by Sarkozy and other European leaders who tried to respond to the financial crisis by tightening their belts.

    By contrast, Hollande has called for more spending, financed by more taxes. His election means a Socialist is taking power in Paris for the first time since Socialist Francois Mitterrand was president from 1981 to 1995.

    In Washington, Obama invited Hollande to the White House, Camp David for the G-8 Summit and Chicago for the NATO Summit.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/05/06/sarkozy-expected-to-be-defeated-as-polls-open-across-france-in-presidential/#ixzz1u8nr1M1t

    A piece of the exhibition "Stone of Heaven Jade Civilizations" are exhibited during a presentation apt the medium along the National Museum of Anthropology and History in Mexico City,central of Mexico,Beijing trip,aboard March 29, 2012. [./Claudio Cruz]

    31. Cognitive Dissonance:

    - http://youtu.be/w45Pct9dVj0


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    Yes, midwesterners have an infinite capacity for self delusion that defies gravity itself. It is their home. Nothing bad has happened to their home. Nothing at all has happened. They just never moved forward. It is not part of the "rust belt", etc. etc.

    I found your blog today to be especially touching. As a Californian looking back in time, it is indeed a shock visiting your words today. Thank you for your keen (as always) observations.

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        一 货源

        天天看见很多人关心找货源,似乎有了好的货源,生意就有了保证。但刚开始,实在在商店里,最不重要的就是货源。俗话说,三分货,七分卖。这个时期,记住,不选自己爱的,只选轻易甩的。

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        可能有人说了:真黑。

        我告诉你:衣服的价值,在于卖的过程。有多少顾客,是缺衣服穿的?女人买衣服,在于享受买的过程。买这些价位衣服的女人,是不会跟你认真的,他们只是觉得不贵,玩玩,可能不是很好,目前不是很需要,但留着以后小搭小配还可以。价钱吗,穿的出往,反正又不贵。便宜了,不会穿。

        不信你试一试-- 20块?太贵太贵!10块好了,我买给家里保姆穿的!!!

        卖衣服,要爱自己的货。时间卖长了不要嫌弃。我拿货也有后悔的时候。我会总结教训,但我还是把它当最美的衣服倾销。

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        不是夸口,客人冲着我的热情来的,熟客一大堆。最高纪录,一天营业额3000多,最少要赚2000多。最低700,也有利润400多点,

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        我跑遍了所有的市场,经过再三挑选,选定两家批发商。

        为什么?跟庄!眼光好,不如跟旺家。

        有很多人进货,喜欢东拿西拿,自己觉得眼光好,拿货象"血拼",象购物。我不会。我集中两家拿,熟了是大客。别人看不到的新版,我能拿,再熟了,开始退退换换。好?**乙哺蒙希蛋***揖拖敕ɑ唬够跎俨凰担依锓绺裣喽酝唬换崧移甙嗽悖钆淦鹄匆惶趼贰?纯茨切┢肺幻妹媚玫幕酰倚λ懒恕?

        我的强项是销售,我不会在拿货上耽误的。我不停的赚钱,开店,18个月,共开4家。由于我什么都尽量卖,批发商都被我感动了。经常赊销给卧冬活动资金大大增加。

        我后来开了10多家店,共做了6家批发商的货。我早退早换,年底就没压什么货。

        说到这里,你们会想,我是个什么样的人呢!

        你们百分之一百会猜错。

        就在我卖13块一件小衫的时候,我身上穿的是如假包换的香奈尔。当年PRADA.D&G.我都不玩了。

        我还有另外收获:这6年间,外贸我手下营业员有20多人创业,20多个老板娘。他们明白了,做生意实在用不了多少钱的。

        我教育他们,要做无中生有的人。

        我觉得做衣服是农活,急不来的。

        我觉得"正走在这条路上",拼命倾销的是自己对服装的理解,实在,女人们需要的只是心里满足。

        你们中一定也有这样的人:喜欢买,多于喜欢穿。

        我现在不穿名牌了。错了,不是一定要求名牌了。

        现在我的生意不错,货很贵,也卖得好。老实说,穿过那么多好东西,这时装也知道个七七八八。

        就是你作为老板娘一定要打扮的漂漂亮亮,假如你想生意好。而且店内的货只能配搭一点,自己决不要穿版,那是营业员的事。你要穿得有档次,你店里衣服都有档次。明白没有,尽量穿大大的名牌,作为你的战衣。那时,你的一个热情微笑,将使很多难搞的女人,乖乖的成为你的熟客。

        卖便宜货和卖贵货是不一样的。零售

        卖便宜货,要热情,

        卖贵货,要冷一点。

        你们会觉得势利眼?错。

        在最顶级的专卖店,你们感觉到那客气后面的一点冷漠吗?服饰网店!

        我卖货。是这样的。2000左右的衣服,不要报价。拿个计算机打给她看,记住,看着她的眼睛。自己只是礼貌就够了。假如她是这个消费层的,她感觉她要证实给你看。女人天生是天敌,太热情了。她觉得你的货不值。

        卖贵货,笑得越少越好,即使是光顾了很多次的顾客,也是客气客气,再客气。

        东扯西拉的,真是书到用时方恨少

        有朋友问卧冬你贵货也做,便宜货也做,为什么?

        实在是看店址来的。

        隔壁左釉冬卖什么档次,你要照跟。通凡人流量大,你就要做量。没什么人的地方,要做贵货。当然,我喜欢扎堆,千万别搞单唯一店的地方,死路一条,不是节约租金,是浪费时间。有人会说我守两年会旺的,两年分分钟耽误你赚几十万。

        卖便宜货,拉车仔进货,卖贵货,进出是宝马。

        卖100一件,赚90也嫌慢,90%也没多少。

        卖1000一件的,30% 是300.

        但贵货要守。是真的。你不能守6个月到10个月,就不要做。但一年后就不累了。会越坐越旺,很多人没有坚持。做了便宜货,就注定劳劳碌碌了,开头轻易,永远辛劳。犹太人是最会做生意的,他们就全卖贵东西。

        当年很多品牌拉我加盟。我从来不干。满街的货都能卖,干嘛要把命运交给你,我又不是不会做生意。女人只对男人忠心,男人才对品牌忠心。我什么好牌子都想试,究竟消费还没到试过千山万水的层次。

        卖散货好。赚得多,没人管,除非卖名牌,名牌会拉你加盟?网购批发销售

        我现在也做批发。我不拉人加盟。我又不是没钱,拉100人加盟,要是100个都不会卖货,那不是拉了100个包袱。我也同情那些小店,什么都要人家拿一大堆,人家怎么卖。

        二 卖货定律

        1.每个女人都会以为自己穿衣有一套,你不要冒充顾问,形象指导。(以为自己穿衣打扮不在行的,不会经常买衣服)

        熟客很重要,回头的生意比重很大。

        千万不要喋喋不休的教客人搭配。女人自尊心大于一切,她不会找个地方犯傻给你看的。

        不然的话,就算这次买成了。你这里也不会是她想经常来的地方。

        我会这样处理的。

        客人关注了一件衣物后,全身名牌的我会由衷赞叹她的品位,在她买衣服的过程中,我还会请教他还有什么更好的奇思妙想。夸她应该吃时尚这碗饭。我是大大不如的。

        结果是:我很多客人没事的时候,品牌都喜欢带上老公或男朋友来走走,顺便买上几件,展示一下自己购物的精明。这里是她的乐园。她还会呼朋唤友,而且帮你卖货。她想更多的人都知道,全身名牌的卧冬都是她的粉丝。

        我的商店,是无数女人的梦工厂,我贩卖梦想,我的商品是成功感,优越感。

        很多情况是,客人发现在我这里买过的一件衣服,贵了别人很多。但她们会维护自己的威信。心里一万个理由往否定自己的失败,不会迁怒于我的---她知道我不是内行。

        2.卖货不是辩论

        好,对是 营业员宝贝。 来看看: 这面料不好

        是啊,您是内行。不过好洗好晒,轻易打理。不需要干洗。

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          从5月10日起,询问者实名制列车票若迷失,可正在中止检票工夫20秒钟前操持报失补办,但必需先购票前进票。退货时按规则核收补发的手续费2元。


           

            以次三种状况下没有能够操持报失补发:超越规则工夫提出的;原车票曾经退货的;曾经报失补办再次提出的。询问者到站后24时辰内,凭贩运记载、新车票和购票时所运用的无效身份证件复制件,到港口退货窗口操持新车票退货手续。补办了新车票的询问者,假如正在打车前找出事先迷失的车票,可到港口退货窗口操持新车票的退货手续。按规则,济南列车站开车前5秒钟中止检票,因而,到该站操持报失补办手续,需比开车工夫至多提早25秒钟。
          。报失补办迷失的实名制车票,要正在没有晚于票面发站中止检票工夫前20秒钟,同声必需需要购票时所运用的无效身份证件复制件、原车票打车日子和购票地港口称号。济南列车站售票大厅2号、5号窗口可操持新车票退货手续。但从5月10日起,询问者实名制列车票若迷失,可操持报失补办。

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          Day 1    Arrive Beijing  
          Arrival at Beijing, you want be met & transferred onward our professional English speaking coach apt your roadhouse Enjoy the recess of the daytime by your leisure.
          Day 2     Beijing (B/L)

           

          The Forbidden City, Beijing. 
          Buffet breakfast at inn Full day asphalt excursion to Tiananmen Square-the largest aboveboard in the world, Forbidden City-imperial palace of Ming and Qing Dynasty, and the Summer Palace with Lunch at appealing regional restaurants. You can cull the Chinese Kungfu appearance as optional among the evening.



          The Tian’anmen Square: The largest city aboveboard amid the world.

          The Forbidden City: the imperial chateau for the Ming and Qing with a history of approximately 600 years.

          The Summer Palace: the best-preserved imperial garden within China.

          Day 3     Beijing (B/L/D)



          The Great Wall by Badaling, Beijing. 
          Buffet breakfast by hostel followed onward full daytime junket to the Great Wall at Badaling, the Ming Tombs and the Sacred Way with lunch at regional Chinese restaurant. Peking Roasted Duck Dinner.



          The Great Wall: the character of China and Climbing the Great Wall you can pass visitors from get out of the way the world, and hear conversations in approximately each language

          The Ming Tombs: Consisting of mausoleums of 13 Ming emperors,namely one of the largest regal necropolises surrounded China.

          The Sacred Way: The access stood aboard either sides with marvelous stone sculptures onward which means the road leading apt heaven.

          Day 4     Beijing/Xian (B/L/D)



          The Temple of Heaven, Beijing. 
          Buffet breakfast by hostel visit Temple of Heaven-here ancient emperors appealed as good-looking harvest,afterwards explore old town of Beijing(visit Hutong along barrow,luncheon at the Hutong family followed along transfer to the aerodrome as flight to Xian-the ancient chief of China. Upon advent encounter and transfer the hostel Dumpling Dinner by a good-looking dumpling restaurant.



          Hutong: A hutong is a uncommon form of customs that exists only amid China. If you are allergic to loftier buildings and spacious streets, enter Beijing’s hutongs afterwards Here, you want find "Hutong Culture".

          The Temple of Heaven: The Temple of Heaven is a craft of architecture and landscape diagram which simply and graphically illustrates a cosmogony of great importance for the evolution of one of the world’s colossal civilizations.

          Day 5     Xian (B/L)

           

          The Terracotta Warriors and Horses, Xi'an City.
          Buffet breakfast at inn Full daytime excursion apt world prominent Terracotta Warriors and Horses with circumference film showed forward returning to the city as visit of the big savage Goose Pagoda and the Grand Mosque. Lunch by comely local restaurant. You can choose the Tang Dynasty Dinner Show as optional amid the evening(extremely suggested as it namely the all-time appearance among China).



          The Terracotta Warriors and Horses: The maximum significant archeological excavations of the 20th century the legion of adobe warriors and the bronze chariots entombed amid vast underground vaults at emperor Qin’s mausoleum.

          The Tang Dynasty Dinner & Show: The appearance that presents the palace discos and sings among the Tang Dynasty.

          The Big wild Goose Pagoda: It is one of the city’s highest distinctive and outstanding landmarks,possibly the maximum beauteous building larboard among Xi’an today.

          The Great Mosque: It namely one of the oldest, largest and best-preserved Islamic mosques amid China

          Day 6     Xian/Guilin (B/L)

          Buffet breakfast at tavern.afterwards visit Shaanxi Historical Museum, Ancient City Wall. Lunch at regional appealing restaurant emulated along transfer apt the aerodrome as flight apt Guilin. Meet and transfer to your hostel.

          The Provincial Museum: Which namely one of the all-time Museum in China and where you can learn a lot virtually the 5,000 anniversary brilliant history of China.

          The Ancient City Wall: Xian City Wall was constructed surrounded the aboriginal Ming Dynasty aboard the basis of the Imperial City of Chang An (Everlasting Peace) of the Tang Dynasty.

          Day 7      Guilin (B/L)

           

          The Li River by Guilin, Guangxi, China. 
          Buffet breakfast by inn Enjoy the Li River cruise with luncheon aboard clapboard The boat ambition disembark among Yangshuo. Stroll at the noted West Street-where you could buy some small souvenirs as relatives and friends.aboard this access back-up commuter aspiration requite you several stops elsewhere as taking pictures of rice paddies and water buffaloes.



          Li River Cruise: Guilin scenery namely applauded as the "Best Under Heaven" and the maximum beautiful scenes are base along the Li-River. Gorgeous Karst peaks requite you surprises at each angle of the limpid river beneath the bawdy sky. Water buffalo patrol the fields, peasants reap rice paddies,school kids and fisherman float along aboard bamboo rafts With its breathtaking landscape and taste of a life far removed from the concrete city the landscape along the Li River convert one of China’s top tourist destinations.

          Day 8     Guilin/Shanghai (B/L)

          Buffet breakfast by hostel,then visit apt Elephant Trunk Hill and the Reed Flute Cave. Lunch by good local restaurant emulated along transfer to the aerodrome as flight apt Shanghai. Upon arrival encounter and transfer apt your tavern.

          Elephant Trunk Hill: the role of Guilin landscape.

          the Reed Flute Cave: Known as "the Palace of Natural Arts" where you can discern beauteous stalactites & stalagmites

          Day 9      Shanghai (B/L)

           

          The Bund, Shanghai. 
          Buffet breakfast by hostel Full day city tour with visit apt the Yu Garden, the "Bund", Nanjing Road and the Jade Buddha Temple with lunch at local Chinese restaurant. You can cull the Acrobatic Show as optional among the evening.



          Yu Garden: a area of truce and comfort amid the heart of bustling Shanghai, dates back-up apt the fanciful Ming Dynasty.

          The Jade Buddha Temple: The maximum prominent Buddhist temple within Shanghai.

          The Bund: understood as a miniature display of international erection with dozens of loftier buildings standing along the shore.

          Nanjing Road: the longest dissemination avenue amid China, lined with big department and specialty stores, upscale boutiques, and a diversity of fine restaurants, enjoying the reputation of "China’s No.one Street".

          Day 10     Shanghai/Suzhou/Shanghai (B/L)

          Free for Shopping alternatively You can choose the full day Suzhou Tour as optional surrounded this daytime.

          Buffet breakfast by hostel Full daytime junket by adviser alternatively train apt Suzhou where you ambition visit Garden of the Master of the Nets, Lingering Garden and Silk Factory with lunch by good regional restaurants. Afternoon, boat junket on the Ancient Canal within Suzhou. Back to Shanghai surrounded the evening.

          Garden of the Master of the Nets: Suzhou namely famous as its the Gardens. Garden of the Master of the Nets is one elaborate succession of small gardens. In the garden you would marvel by this unique architecture art.

          Lingering Garden: It namely the all-time preserved among always the Suzhou gardens.

          Silk Factory: Suzhou namely likewise outstanding as its cottony production. In the factory you can perceive how the cottony namely candy from the silk worm apt the final alloyed fabric.

          Ancient Canal:which namely one,764 km nearly 1200 miles) in width,is the longest man-made waterway as well as being the greatest in ancient China.

          Day 11      Shanghai Departure (B)

          Buffet breakfast at hostel Free until transfer to the airport as flight apt the afterward destination.

          End of service.
            Price Details(per person among US$):   Tour-Code Arrival Date
          among Beijing Departure Date From Shanghai Price Single Room Supply Availability T02-120323 Mar 23 Apr 02 RMB/CNY 8990

          US$ 1394 RMB1890
          Open T02-120423 Apr 23 May 03 RMB/CNY 9699

          US$ 1504 RMB 2350
          Open T02-120521 May 21 May 31 RMB/CNY 9699

          US$ 1504 RMB 2350
          Open T02-120625 Jun 25 Jul 05 RMB/CNY 9290

          US$ 1440 RMB 2050
          Open T02-120723 Jul 23 Aug 02 RMB/CNY 9290

          US$ 1440 RMB 2050
          Open T02-120827 Aug 27 Sep 06 RMB/CNY 9290

          US$ 1440 RMB 2050
          Open T02-120924 Sep 24 Oct 04 RMB/CNY 9899

          US$ 1535 RMB 2460 Open T02-121022 Oct 22 Nov 01 RMB/CNY 9899

          US$ 1535 RMB 2460
          Open Important Note: The aforementioned spend namely quoted among Chinese currency RMB. Currently the exchange rate between USD and RMB namely 1:6.45,Beijing news update, you can procurable convert our cost into USD. As RMB keeps appreciating against USD, we are unable to forecast the exchange rate, so we ambition dictate based aboard the latest rate while you are going to settle the disbursement
           
          Service included Service not included A. Hotels (twin share basis) as listed surrounded the itinerary B. Entrance fees C. Personal Guide & Driver + Private car / van as Private Transfers & sightseeing D. Meals as listed among the itinerary, B=breakfast; L=lunch; D=Dinner E. Domestic flights or trains as listed among the itinerary F. Service Charg