This Ripe Moment


     The narcolepsy of the long Yuletide draws to a close and the world reawakens to its self-spun web of mutually reinforcing fiascos. Just before the holiday, a sense of futility darkened the European banking landscape as cascading sovereign default looked more and more inevitable. It was halted by a bazooka-caliber currency swap Ponzi that allowed the European Central Bank to pretend it had a $700-billion bag of sugar-plums to hand out to more than 200 banks there. That gambit will only keep up the appearance of normality for a couple of months, until the late winter bond rollover provokes a new crisis stage.
     Likewise, in the USA, some pressure-cooked December employment statistics gave the false impression of a brightening jobs picture, but no major news network dared to glance behind the curtain at the short-term holiday hires, the uncounted long-term jobless, the ones who don't show up at the government offices anymore, the ones who stopped getting checks, the legions of the hopeless. A nation that can't call 'bullshit' on its own lies deserves all the suffering that might rain down upon it, and that's exactly where we are heading as things economic morph into things political.
     How quaint the current Republican jousting tournament will seem in a few months when real violence rides in on the zephyrs of springtime. Each new primary is like the unloading of a Ringling Brothers clown car. There is an inverse relationship between the seriousness of these times and the laughable personalities vying for a place in history. Are they running for high office or auditioning for the role of Parson Weems in a new Lifetime Network TV mini-series? Are you charmed by their absurd casual clothing? Comforted by their know-nothing jabber about the "game-changer" of shale oil and their sincere doubts about the climate change "story?" Is it morally satisfying to know that one or another of these candidates won't drink a beer? (They'd make good Ayatollahs.) In what sort of Creationist parthenogenetic incubator are such pietistic idiots hatched? What these sanctimonious pricks don't realize they are doing is destroying the very legitimacy of the idea that we're capable of governing ourselves per se.
     This is the long-term direction of life in North America, by the way - a breakup into small autonomous governing units. It's just that the current cast of characters brings an aura of low comedy to the process. By the time they're through with Washington, the credibility of Federalism will sound like a knock-knock joke.
     As for the other side, the "folks" now occupying the White House and its folkster-in-chief, Mr. Obama - the time has come to abandon them. Their failure is complete with the new national security act that allows for suspension of due process of law. The cheek of Mr. Obama in offering a "signing statement" to the effect that his administration would not enforce the law! - as he signed it! For one thing, Obama tacitly invited his own impeachment by declaring he had no intention of enforcing federal law, since enforcement is the chief duty of his office. If John Boehner were not himself such a fraud, he would have started a motion for impeachment before sundown that day.
     Occupy Wall Street will seem like a mere harvest dance when we look back from the uproars later in 2012. Both organized parties have managed to banish the rule of law in America. Both parties need to be driven into the wilderness of history and the rule of law has to be rescued from the oblivion they sent it to. What group of clear-thinking adults can get behind that simple project? What voices will resolve out of the phenomenal noise of gadget America, with its deafening tweets, incessant advertising, instant messaging, idiotic robo-calling, and ever-present flat-screen assault on the senses? 
     I discern the distant sound of rebellion, a spirit that won't be appeased by bytes of Disney-babble from the pandering snouts of Romney, Santorum, Gingrich, Paul or Obama. They are interested only in keeping a set of suicidal rackets going. All the yammer about "freedom" and "liberty" is hollow when the rule of law is AWOL. This ripe time is the natural moment for a true opposition to rise. A few months from now neither major party will have a credible candidate or a plausible platform of ideas. This will be painfully obvious. What angels and demons will rush into that awful vacuum? 
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1111 Comments

First. And it doesn't mean a thing. Let's move on to
discuss real issues.

The world is getting less and less predictable. We need to take time now, while we still can, to study and prepare for what is coming.

Visit The Leibowitz Society at http://leibowitzsociety.blogspot.com/2012/01/fracked-up.html for discussion about preparation for the coming Dark Age.

JHK, a good read this morning. I truly hope there WILL be an uproar come springtime...I truly hope there is OUTRAGE somewhere out there. But the big flat screen, the high def, the i-crap, the cloud -- those seem to be the only things people in this country care about. So we'll see.
Mila

Adding to the evidence: It's offical, the middle class is dead. Recently released US Bureau of Labor Statistic and Federal Reserve data show the "average American family" can't afford the average single family house... depended on their employer for health care insurance or went without... were in debt with no way out... didn't pursuing further education... saved nothing... and slashed their food budget to the bone.

"It's Official: Gov Stats Shows the Middle Class is Dead" on opednews.com

See my full analysis Here: http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Middle-Class-Vanishes-by-Chaz-Valenza-120101-954.html

The rule of law has become a "signing statement". Where is the outrage? the righteous indignation and shouting? Habeus Corpus left without a fight or even a nightly commentary. Pathetic. And pepper spray is a vegetable. How about those Broncos, eh? Awesome game dudes.....

JHK said: "What group of clear-thinking adults can get behind that simple project?"

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The Green Party is the answer.

Vote Jill Stein 2012

http://www.jillstein.org


Of all the Clown Car baggage, Ron Paul is the most useful to the citizens revolt to and including OWS.

Why? Because the more success he has the more
lie it gives to the other Rethugs through simply upsetting their propaganda fest. At the same time it points out the hypocrisy of the Democratic pro war machine. Interesting discussion of this at Naked Capitalism.

He of course wants to keep U.S. tax dollars at home with might insult certain tribalistic tendencies.

"All the yammer about "freedom" and "liberty" is hollow when the rule of law is AWOL. "

Notice how "and Justice for all" is not even mentioned.

I wish the best for the OWS movement, but I fear that the PTB will come done hard this year to crush any and all dissent. Of course you won't see that on the major media 'newz', just the Tea Partiers will be focused on.
Or for a bigger distraction, howz about a little war with Iran?

The USA has become a Fascist police state. And unless the American people decide to take some action, democracy is a dead concept there.

Its all about and for the Corporations, with the military as the enforcer, either here or abroad.

Good luck, :]

"Both parties need to be driven into the wilderness of history and the rule of law has to be rescued from the oblivion they sent it to. What group of clear-thinking adults can get behind that simple project?"

Americans Elect is trying to do just the first, although I don't think that's going to happen. Throughout the history of the United States, the country has had the Democratic Party and its opposition, first the Federalists, then the Whigs, and now the Republicans. The only time one of those parties has been banished has been when it fell apart on its own. It was promptly replaced by a new opposition party. The same is true in other countries that have maintained democracy. Labor replaced the Liberals in the UK without the Tories disbanding, and the Canadians managed to almost completely dismantle the Progressive Conservatives overnight; the current Conservative Party has more to do with the Canadian Reform Party than the Tories of old. So one of the parties might disintegrate, then the other, but I highly doubt both will do it simultaneously. The only way I see that happening will be if there is a military coup that eliminates party politics altogether, such as has happened in Pakistan. Do you really wish for such a thing?

As for the second, a number of groups are trying, including Coffee Party USA. I really should book you on one of our Blog Talk Radio programs. Do I need to talk to Miriam F. for a phone interview?

Over at Crazy Eddie's Motie News, I didn't talk about either Americans Elect or the Coffee Party, although I promise I will do both this year. Instead, I examined the corn pone fascists in their native environment, the Iowa Caucuses, repeating what I said last week about the campaign being a circus and the candidates being a bunch of clowns. I also mocked the Mayan Apocalypse, quoting last week's post by JHK, remarked on how Michigan's Governor managed to get himself sued twice in one week for assaults on democracy and equality in bills he signed, found some good news for both rapid transit and automobiles in metro Detroit, and then howled at last night's full moon. Coming up this week will be more on the effect automobiles have on the economy, both good and bad, which will demonstrate how difficult it will be to wean ourselves off of happy motoring. In particular, I will be covering the North American International Auto Show, which will display both the best and worst of cars, including efforts to make cars more sustainable--never mind that divorcing cars from the internal combustion engine will only alleviate one or two of the issues with automobiles on the environment and society. So, Happy Motoring--for now--from Detroit!

http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

What!!!no mention of impending ww3 starting with Iran!! ..got the popcorn ready;cold beer...


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177837

"None the less, the universes are NOT parallel if they intersect."

Exactly, and in fact a real parallel universe is one that has no possible relationship with us and ours, no possible logical connection with ours, not even the constraints of existence, non-contradiction and the identity principle, a universe that is totally disjoint from ours, totally outside of any possible decoding we can perform, totally not related in any possible logical or philosophical or metaphysical way. That is why real parallel universes exist only when the Observer becomes something different from our Man Brain, a new design of the Observer (a completely new design of Mind, Brain, Neural Circuits, Internal Logical Connections, Memory Organization, how it is all connected to Emotions and Sentiments, Pain and Pleasure events, circuits and systems, etc.) will create a new Experience Space for that new observer and hence will create a new Universe with completely new laws of Physics as the observer is simply the sequence of events the Observer Experiences by talking to itself, by interacting with matter, but as such is simply interacting with itself, inventing itself, creating its own universe moment by moment, it is simply an Information Relationship. It goes without saying that a parallel universe is totally illogical, contradictory, totally absurd, very far out, and very cool exactly because it is so different from what we are used to.

I like these new parallel universes, especially if they don't exist (since they are beyond true and false and existence and non existence). But especially because even if what all I said is false, it is true, I can say and do all, I always win, I love lies and deceptions, I love complete insanity...

What the many worlds theory implies in Quantum Physics is simply many universes that are almost identical and similar to ours, with most logical and non-contradiction and Identity Principles always operating.

But you would have to check that out "experimentally"...

"How does two or more possible results result in two universes? "

Well you can invent anything you want, you can design a theory or logic or sequence of symbols that shows how that is possible, it doesn't have to be "not illogical" or "not contradicting", it doesn't have to even be right, it just has to be fun, like a little game it can be anything you want, you are free to invent all and make up all kinds of stuff and all kinds of mistakes you want, lie to yourself, force any theory you want, break all the rules, you are free...


Somedays, it feels as if you've just flushed the toilet and you notice that "missing ring" following the waste down the crapper... too late!


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177835

[quote="Kriswest"]If you were a young person in Tunisia would you just sit and pray? Or would you leave the area to find something better?

You rant against those that prefer to change their existance rather than become slaves to the system. Do you not comprehend that once the Government gives you handouts you are their property? You live where they dictate , you do what they dictate, If they say jump for your money , you need to do it or you might actually be cut off. They want you, your kids , your family accepting handouts. Lazy fat dependents rarely rebel. A country on welfare is ideal to leaders. They have a freedom to be the masters. Indepence breeds restlessness, innovation , thoughts, freedoms. You sound like a salesman for the government. How much are they giving you to recruit?[/quote]

No different from what private corporate bosses do and want, it is all the same, it doesn't matter what the hierarchy is made up of, there is never any freedom essentially...

But go on, be your own boss, how many people do you think can really end up being their own boss ? Anyways I have said this before many times, there is no difference between public or private enterprises, government or private corporations, power relationships are always power relationships, status relationships are always present no matter what, read all of my old posts, study them very carefully, you will learn...

http://usdebt.kleptocracy.us/

15 TRILLION.

Off to show the Congressman some Solar Panels charging an electric car this afternoon... we'll see how that goes...

By the way, it actually works.

Cheers Clusterfuckers

PUSH ON. DO GOOD. KEEP SMILING.

Jim, nice exchange with Chomsky last week. His intellectual arteries are pretty hardened these days, good to see someone give him a run for his money.

My country continues its steady downward progress into petro-state thugocracy. The morning headlines are full of the Harper government's reaction to the effective tactics of environmentalists to delay the building of pipelines to convey tar sands sludge to markets: they are planning to change the rules of the review process to limit and cut out effective opposition. Now, we can't have people actually *debating* the merits of a project that is flensing the skin off our planet, transforming northern Alberta into a toxic moonscape, endangering the lands any pipeline will pass through, and dumping gigatons more climate-altering greenhouse carbon into our atmosphere, now can we? There are billions of dollars and several entire additional years of happy motoring at stake!

Never mind the nay-sayers: a genuine political alternative is what we desperately need. That's why I vote Green.

http://greenparty.ca/

Thanks as always JHK

After 2008, the choose has been to allow for a global collapse, restructuring banks and the move back to sovereignty across the board, and regulations which means rule of law. If Reagan were in office, that's what he would do and he would raise taxes!!
But that was not to happen.

Instead we got more intrenched in the failure, giving 23 trillion and more to international zombie banks and the dissolution of some countries for the benefit a few kleptocrats. The replacement of elected governing officials to appointed banking technocrats in Italy for instance. (who worked for Goldman Sachs) ‘“All for the sake of the crumbling global growth paradigm. You couldn't make this stuff up.

The dialog in this country is so far from reality, that the only thing these people can promise is‘ to take us back kicking and scream“ing to a time before the 20th century, in social matters and economic matters. To a panacea of low wages and no unions, regressive economics and revisionist history and of course, don't forget revanchism--blaming everyone but the guilty.--Let's blame the victims--they're so much easier to take the hit.

Yes, Obama is doing what he's been told to do and that is all, folks. That bill he just signed with signing statements and all will set us up for an unhappy future. I call it Stasi with all its security complex gyrations and xray machines at all travel hubs meets reality TV. Maybe they will show us the camera we can talk to to tell them what we really think.

Billionaires are bankrolling the campaign coffers of the absurd and more absurd, but it is inevitable that the confused Romney will take the nomination. Is he a moderate or is he a right-winger--only his shrink knows for sure---and he's not saying'

Like a tide taking us further out to sea and further from any recognizable landscape we are entering into a new phase of smoke and mirrors. It's an illusion built upon sand.

Regarding the question of the viability of "democracy" it needs to be remembered that democracy, so called, was always predicted to fail by aristocratic observers during the 18th and early 19th centuries, when they described it as pandering to the mob. This also begs the question of whether or not there actually has been a real democracy, either here or really anywhere for that matter. And it goes without saying that our current arrangements are not even remotely democratic, but rather blatantly plutocratic.

And then finally, in terms of whether or not any sort of leadership exists to come up with an alternative approach to our problems there is the phenomenon of near all pervasive nostalgia, living in the past, and just plain obliviousness to overcome making it a foregone conclusion that the present system must actually finally collapse beyond a shadow of a doubt before a new consensus can emerge in which everything can be put on the table for reconsideration. The bottom line is that capitalism doesn't really work, but of course no one wants any sort of "everybody moves to public housing" communism. When I say that capitalism doesn't work I'm not saying that it doesn't create new wealth or produce marvelous products and services. What I'm saying is that it functions as a cancer eating the planet so that in the long run nothing will matter because our life support system will be defunct and we'll all be dead. Then the only question will be the nihilistic one of determining whether once we no longer exist it'll be the same as if we'd never existed in the first place at all. Actually there will be evidence we did once exist because we'll have left behind a ruined planet populated chiefly by insects and perhaps small mammals and reptiles.

Great read again, Jim!

You wrote: "...but no major news network dared to glance behind the curtain..."

It's an appropriate phrase, given the correlation between what is going on these days and the illustrations of life in L. Frank Baum's book, 'The Wonderful Wizard of Oz.' The government and the mainstream media would definitely have us NOT paying attention to the man behind the curtain.

Watch the 2010 documentary "The Secret of Oz" for a great explanation of that "children's" book, and its relevance to what is going on in our financial world today. Hint: We can make our government work for us once again.

And in response to Asoka's reply of "The Green Party is the Answer," I say that is rubbish, because the Green Party just does not get the nature of the problem: big banking has taken over governing and established a debt-money system that is slowly enslaving us once again, bringing about a neo-feudalistic state thru debt, inflation, deflation, and outright fraud. We need a new party to answer this dilemma. We need a party of All the People, not just the left wing of the left wing or the right wing of the right wing.

It's time for a return to our roots as a nation. I suggest you consider The Foundation Party of America. We are the true party of Jefferson, Adams, Madison, Jackson, and Lincoln. We oppose debt-money creation (the privately held 'Fed') and will dismantle the web of debt the big banks have foisted upon us. We will return America to a true state of independence. We will turn back the tide of Globalization, return to Localization, and diminish the use of so much of the limited crude oil supplies, until a better, more sustainable system can be implemented.

Keep your eyes open for The Foundation Party of America folks. We represent the 100% and we are on your side.

Coming soon to a ballot box near you.

Best,
Torin
The Rocky Mountain Pilgrim

Now in 20-12, the year of increasingly limited foresight, a very few are still able to see as far as 20-20. the fabled year of hindsight.
Here they see the new medium of exchange, authorized and now even issued by the government: -small bags of Cheeze Doodles.
Although a little cumbersome to carry, they have a good shelf life, are immune to further inflation, negate the need for food stamps,
and eliminate the possibility of bank runs.
The government has a new reality/court show to process those
caught attempting to use gold to buy anything. The inevitable
sentence is a high tech guillotine with flashing lights and a laser
beam that separates the criminal's head in a bloodless instant.
After it falls to the basket, the cameras zoom to face to give millions of eager viewers a view of the facial expression du jour.
What of the headless body? You guessed it - SOYLENT GREEN

Gotta take issue with one detail- the nondrinkers among the Republican candidates (i.e. the Mormons) happen to be the most ideologically moderate among the candidates so although "they'd make good Ayatollahs" is a cute line it actually doesn't fit.

The notion of the US, or other countries for that matter, devolving into smaller regions seems ever more plausible now than when JHK first wrote about it.

Interested observers might want to take into account a point recently raised on The Automatic Earth about the 'core' areas moving to suck ever more life support out of the 'peripheries'--and even taxing activities like gardening and rainwater harvesting--as people try to throw off the fetters of corporate/government bondage to the terminally ill global financial system.

Aside from jumping ship, as I have done, the strategies of local food systems, reinventing local economies and constantly explaining to your neighbors exactly why you are doing all of this instead of watching TV, seems to be a strategy that can help prepare a bit and maintain sanity at the same time.

Even for those of us who don't believe in prophesies, looks like 2012 is going to be an interesting year.

All the best from Costa Rica !!!!

puebloverde.org

I watched the debate on MTP yesterday. It was sad, really sad. Romney is clearly going to be the nominee. There was no one else on stage who looked like they even wanted the nod. Gingrich is just there to up his consulting fees. Huntsman see,s like a decent fella. But he has no traction.

To know in January who will get the nomination in August seems like a new wrinkle. 4 years ago Hillary and Barak were neck and neck until June.

All these guys on both sides of the aisle work work for the same company. There is no change. There will be no change. From them at least. They won't do anything until the dam bursts. And then they'll stand there with umbrellas. The summer of 2012 could be interesting.
Aimlow Joe was here
www.aimlow.com

The national security act is this decade's McCarthy moment. Along with the Supreme Court's decision to grant citizenship status to corporations, it marks, I believe, a point-of-no-return in the disintegration of American democracy (a tenuous proposition from the outset). The fact that these two bald betrayals of the nation's governing premise went largely unchallenged while Justin Bibber's tattoo made national news, proves the point made by Jesus some two thousand years ago, "the people swallow a camel but choke on a gnat".

Senor James sez:
"I discern the distant sound of rebellion, a spirit that won't be appeased by bytes of Disney-babble from the pandering snouts of Romney, Santorum, Gingrich, Paul or Obama. They are interested only in keeping a set of suicidal rackets going. All the yammer about "freedom" and "liberty" is hollow when the rule of law is AWOL. This ripe time is the natural moment for a true opposition to rise."

James H.,
I'm hearing the muted toots of bugles calling for gatherings of The Pissed-Off.
However, they're rallying around the banner of iron-fisted fascism and status-quo, previous-investment fairy stories. This is where the deluded meet their monstrous new masters (and clasp them fervently to their bosoms), hoping for former ease and comforts, not to mention salvation.

I see massive conflict for the soul of Man and Law. It certainly need not be, but the propaganda has worked its' magic, convincing "folks" that leaders with a burning fever of monomania are their only recourse to security, rather than an up-from-the-earth practical, plodding approach. (The difference between short-term and long-term thinking becomes glaringly obvious when comparing the "two". ....And, yes, there's ALWAYS more than a couple ways to approach any result of predicaments; the only real duality is "to do it" or "not to do it".)

BTW, the only thing I'm really certain of through my life experience? THERE IS NO SECURITY. (Despite "all-encompassing compassionate hearts" and cobbled-together religiousity that takes cruel advantage of our fearful reaction to Natures awesome whims.)

Soon we'll hear from the distractionary megaphones of those very fascists, delusionistas, and "warm accepting hearts".

I call "bullshit" on their steering conversations into the wilderness of irrelevancy, error, and outright insanity. The storm is already here; these are just the first mild gusts at the edge of the front that is The Long Emergency. Git yer mind right, and place yer bets, "folks", place yer bets...

Torin:

Foundation Party sounds like a promising endeavor. I certainly agree with your criticism of the Greens.

In my view the Greens are just party dedicated to the establishment of a Leftist Police State.


I think our system is too authoritarian already.

Occupy Wall Street already seems quaint. The media seemingly stopped talking about them when the ball dropped in Times Square. Oooh, look, unemployment is down, Obama is up in the polls, it's 2012, and Lady Gaga is holding court with Dick Clark! It's party time! HAPPY NEW YEAR!! ;-\ :-O

On the point of the Republican nomination process, it clearly seems to be a race between Romney and Ron Paul. (Santorum seems more like a blip on the radar, just like all the candidates-of-the-day were before him.)

To be honest, both Romney and Paul scare me. Romney scares me for the same reason that any establishment candidate scares me: he supports the status quo (lower taxes, cut spending, foreign wars, etc.). But Paul also scares me in this sense: He advocates a return to the Gold Standard. There are a lot of people who think that returning to a gold standard is a good idea, given the current economic crises around the globe. However, I caution you that such a move will actually make the situation worse. The reason for this is that moving to a commodity-backed currency makes it even EASIER for the Powers That Be (the big banks and their central-bank front operations) to corner the market and establish their control, leading us into greater and greater levels of serfdom.

Just look at the event known as "The Long Depression" of the late 19h Century. The depression was a direct result of the abandonment of the Greenback and silver coinage, which were more plentiful to the People. As well, look at the recession of 1919-20 and the Great Depression. Both occurred while the US was under a gold standard. And history shows that it was when the British Parliament insisted that all taxes be paid in gold and silver from the Colonies that such a depression set in to actually cause the American Revolution.

And if you need more contemporary examples: who are the biggest purchasers of gold these days? Central banks. And who is the single largest holder of gold today? The International Monetary Fund (IMF).

Don't be fooled into supporting Ron Paul, folks. While his rhetoric might sound like a breath of fresh air to people fed up with the establishment, his solution of a gold standard will play right into the hands of the Money Changers and make your life even worse than it has become.

It's time we took the power of money creation and put it back in the hands of the government as a service to the People, not as a profit mechanism for a few plutocrats!

Look for The Foundation Party of America. We are new, but we have the right message for the right time.

Best,
Torin
The Rocky Mountain Pilgrim

With the coming collapse of the world economy, where is a good safe haven if there is one? I don't think the US will be safe by summertime...

"And then finally, in terms of whether or not any sort of leadership exists to come up with an alternative approach to our problems there is the phenomenon of near all pervasive nostalgia, living in the past, and just plain obliviousness to overcome making it a foregone conclusion that the present system must actually finally collapse beyond a shadow of a doubt before a new consensus can emerge in which everything can be put on the table for reconsideration." -BHM

Unfortunately, that's how I see things "shaking out" as well.

Thoughtful addendum to JHK's commentary. Thanks.

In my view the Greens are just party dedicated to the establishment of a Leftist Police State.

Care to justify that claim?

why do you folks even put up with the untied states? people left england for the freer US at the time, well get up and leave again...

peace peaceniks

JHK

IF we end up as cell mates in the FEMA gulag, bring earplugs. I unfortunately sleep-snore loudly, which will probably be deemed a waterboarding offense by our corrupt, cheating, lying disengenuous shill executive branch and non-existent judicial branch.

The upside is I have plenty of in-date cheese doodles and I share.

tick, tick, tick, tick....

Today's post revisits Jim's question/observation of what will happen when it is discovered that our political institutions are INCAPABLE of dealing with current reality and that really is a very disturbing conclusion.

D. Orlov from yesterday:

"Electioneering in the US is steadily expanding to fill more and more time and space even as it provides worse and worse results with each election cycle. The Congress is made of some of the least popular people on earth, who are manifestly incapable of achieving anything useful. They do seem quite ready and willing to pass laws that erode human rights and enhance the powers of the police state, but this is because they are paranoid. Perhaps their one point of consensus is that sooner or later their constituents will want to open fire on them."

Yes, I believe that Diebold will provide a fair result, don't you? And the oligarchs will hand-select the very finest of "public servants". C'mon, where's your faith? ;o)

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2012/01/dance-of-marionettes.html

The only hope is Occupy and here in Chicago we look forward to the coming G8 protest. Also, thanks for saying "normality" instead of the idiotic "normalcy."

JHK..I have been reading your blog for some time now and while I believe with you that the US & (the world in genral)is on it's way to the worst comeuppence in history, I believe it all for another reason.

While it is not fashionable to admit this here, I am a Christian, and I truly believe that we are on the course of the last days as Biblically defined in Daniel & Revelation. The world is hurtling & lurching towards a disaster. A well-seen disaster that few are willing to acknowledge.

Serious Christian scholars of Biblical prophecy find absolutely no reference to the USA in end times prohecy. There are however references to Europe, Russia, China and of course the Middle East. So what happens to the USA? Where did it go?

Very possibly we find that answer in the complete economic crash of the USA. Very little would cause more instability in this world than a full blowout of the US economy. It would tip over all the rest of the dominos.

I believe that we have run out of time and the return of Jesus Christ is very close as the world & man play out the last hand.

I know many here will hoot & laugh at my comments. However it costs me nothing to believe this, and I, along with thousands of others believe it deeply.

Peace to all....

ABSALOM,


Its ‘not for nothing’ Ehero called you
‘A COOKIE CUTTER DOOFUS WITH ---- FOR A BRAIN’
Here are some of the facts and figures he refused to cite.
Remember what the Media called the Race Riots of the 1960s-70s?
They weren’t ‘Race Riots’, They were Black Riots!

[FROM ‘SBPDL’ / city-data dot com]:
General population versus prison population of Blacks for leading states.
Article cites Iowa as having only a 2% overall Black population while maintaining a 24% Black prison population.
Delaware (12.6X) and Minnesota (12.3X) are the only ones to beat Iowa (12.0X) for over-representation of Blacks in prison versus the general population.

But, think of it, Whites are being hunted by animals.
30,000 black rapes of whites annually.
180,000 whites killed by blacks since 1965. [1 in 6? Murders black on white]
Over 50 whites killed weekly by blacks.
Compare that to the 3,500 hangings of blacks since the civil war ..
Let’s look at some stats in Atlanta. According to city-data dot com Atlanta’s population is 519145. On Average, there are about 149 murders per year in Atlanta (4.5 times the national average).

Atlanta murders, year-by-year, from city-data dot com:

1999 - 143. 2000 - 134. 2001 - 144. 2002 - 152. 2003 - 149. 2004 - 112. 2005 - 90. 2006 - 110. 2007 - 129. 2008 - 105. 2009 - 80.


Let’s check out Portland, OR with a population of 550396. Portland, with a population over 31,251 more than Atlanta, has about 27 murders on average.

Portland murders, year-by-year, from city-data dot com.

GUESS WHAT! MOST OF THEM WERE COMMITTED BY... WAIT FOR IT... BLACKS!

1999 - 35. 2000 - 19. 2001- 21. 2002 - 20. 2003 - 27. 2004 - 29. 2005 - 20. 2006 - 20. 2007 - 22. 2008 - 26. 2009 - 19.

Portland and Atlanta demographics compared:

Portland = 76% white, only about 7% black

Atlanta = 31% white, 61% black.

Now let's compare Seattle with Washington DC!

Compare and contrast! All data from city-data dot com.

Washington DC Population in July 2009: 599,657.

Murders in DC in 2009: 143

King County WA, Population in July 2009: 617,334.

Murders in Seattle in 2009: 22

Demographics:

Washington DC: 52.7% black

Seattle WA: 6.8% black

The final nail in the coffin of Black-run Detroit is being put in place. Black-run Washington D.C., where financial mismanagement, corruption, high crime rates, horrible schools, and economic stagnation was ultimately saved by white people usurping freedom from elected [duplicitous] Black officials in the mid-90s.

The Wall Street Journal put together a list of the best-run and worst-run of 2011 and, well, it broke down along racial lines again. Majority Black cities, where high rates of crime are endemic, ensure that you are on the worst list. Remember, your elected officials come from this class too.
So, with the impending collapse of the city once dubbed "the arsenal of Democracy" we can safely surmise that freedom truly failed once Detroit's future was in the hands of Black people.

There's your answer Rep. Conyers. Then again, you should have known Black people were incapable of running a city when the wheels of your government leased Cadillac Escalde were stolen in front of your home:
First, the son of U.S. Rep. John Conyers (D-Detroit) was forbidden from using dad's taxpayer-leased Cadillac Escalade. Now, it looks like nobody else will be driving the fancy SUV real soon either, not after a thief stole the wheels off of the vehicle.

According to news reports, a Conyers staffer confirmed that the wheels had been stolen yesterday while the vehicle was parked in front of the congressman's home on the west side of Detroit.
Detroit's collapse is 100 percent racial, for the same reason that Pittsburgh's ascension is 100 percent racial.


ten worst run cities,
none had a non-Hispanic White majority.

America's worst run cities

#1 Miami FL

11.9% Non-Hispanic White
19.2% black
70.0% Hispanic or Latino


#2 Detroit MI

7.8% Non-Hispanic White
82.7% black
6.8% Hispanic or Latino


#3 Newark NJ

26.3% White
52.4% black
33.8% Hispanic or Latino


#4 San Bernardino CA

45.6% White
15.0% black
4.0% Asian
60.0% Hispanic or Latino


#5 Cleveland OH

33.4% non-Hispanic White
53.3% black
10.0% Hispanic or Latino


#6 Stockton CA

37.0% White
12.2% black
21.5% Asian
40.3% Hispanic or Latino


#7 St. Louis MO

43.9% White
49.2% black


#8 Fresno CA

49.6% White
8.3% black
46.9% Hispanic
12.6% Indian


#9 North Las Vegas, NV

47.4% White
19.9% black
38.8% Hispanic or Latino


#10 Hialeah, FL

4.2% non-Hispanic White
94.7% Hispanic or Latino

(Wikipedia and US Census Bureau were sources)


Detroit’s failure is inexplicably a source of confusion
Jan 7th, 2012 by Unamused
The city of Detroit, Michigan is 83% black. This simple fact has many interesting consequences. For example, in May 2011, CBS Detroit reported that nearly half the city cannot read. (Curiously, the photo accompanying the article depicts a white person. No explanation is given.)
According to a new report, 47 percent of Detroiters are “functionally illiterate.” The alarming new statistics were released by the Detroit Regional Workforce Fund on Wednesday.
WWJ Newsradio 950 spoke with the Fund’s Director, Karen Tyler-Ruiz, who explained exactly what this means.
“Not able to fill out basic forms, for getting a job — those types of basic everyday (things). Reading a prescription; what’s on the bottle, how many you should take… just your basic everyday tasks,” she said
Lurker :
Rep. John Conyers (D) apparently intoned:
“How come all of the jurisdictions put under emergency management are majority African American? Has anybody noticed that?”
Hahahahaha. No dinky, you’re the first. Coz every time I watch a Hollywood movie I see African-Americans in there, and not just African-Americans, but African-Americans who are scientists, heroes, Nobel laureates, doctors, and medical researchers, and they’re all very, very wise, and they’re teaching values to some whiteyboy Keanu Reeves, so I thought that’s how it is in real life; after all, all we see in movies is true, right? Why would they lie to us. Every one of them is “based on real story” after all.

And remember the Corporate Media BLAMES WHITES WHEN THEY FLEE THE CARNAGE, CALLING IT ‘WHITE FLIGHT’

See: WORLDSTAR HIPHOP.COM

Thanks to CocCC.org for:

Meanwhile in the Whitehouse:

The media is censoring what goes on at the White House to protect the Obama family from a massive backlash.
Millions of dollars are being spent on the extravagant parties and constant vacations held by the Obama family.
Back in 2009, Obama threw an “Alice in Wonderland” party at the White House. Hollywood stars Tim Burton and Johnny Depp were hired to put on the party. The party also featured the original Chewbacca from Star Wars.
Despite their major celebrity status, Burton and Depp agreed to keep their participation a secret. Imagine how much they must have paid these mega stars to get confidentiality agreements.
The extravagant and outlandish behavior of the Obama family is actually worse than the “racist” depiction of black politicians in the movie Birth of A Nation.

Meanwhile in Eurabia:
Oslo, Norway is one of the most dangerous cities in Europe. Liberal policies there have lead them to take in every refugee from anywhere in the world.

Oslo has a higher crime rate than New York. It is a dangerous city that will soon be comparable to Detroit.

Police, Fire, and Emergency workers can't even enter many areas of Oslo without being attacked by the foreign population.

Norway is going down the tubes. Total surrender to ‘ BRA’ and Saracen-Run Europe in Norway.
AND REMEMBER THE GANGS IN MALMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you want you can Google :

‘Memorial for Lovell Mixon’ !
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ALSO

1….Don Levit
‘From my understanding, Jews have been kicked out of virtually every country in the world.’
[well except Israel!!! And USA, Canada etc]
YES, WHAT DID THEY DO TO BE SO DISLIKED, UNIVERSALLY?
EVERYTHING HAS A CAUSE, REASON OR REASONS.


2….Maybe rename yrself ARCHIES BUNKER..
Best post of the first week of 2012/CFN:
Archie Bunker replied to comment from Vlad Krandz | January 3, 2012 1:59 PM
‘Since I currently live in northwestern Mexico (formerly Southern California), I have to agree about the invasion of my former homeland by Mexican nationals and the effects on my immediate surroundings….’ [advice: Archie, get a bunker]

Dale:
‘dale replied to comment from Vlad Krandz | January 5, 2012 11:48 AM | Reply
BTW Vlad, I walked into one of the units I managed once where there were about 5-6 tatted up, boot wearing, 'skins' listening to some white power rock about 'killin niggas'. I just looked over at them and said "turn that crap off"’
If they had been Blacks no one would ever had heard from you again.
Self Hatreds an amazing thing!
Vlad:
‘I told Prog about the 1.2 million legal immigrants coming here every year. He didn't believe me but acutally bothered to look it up - which is all I ever ask’
[USA adds 6 million new people a year and 3 million die.]
Vlad, you might enjoy ‘BARUCH, MY STORY’ He writes of his familys homestead and what had been the slaves quarters.
Ehero :‘For example, I insist that ALL races are racist.’
READ ‘THE DARK SIDE OF MAN’, It may be genetic

Rhino ‘Asoka you have the sound of a man that does not actually believe ONE FUCKING THING that he says. …!!!!
sez asoka: ‘Rhino, I am beyond embarrassment.’

Anyone have info on Hamas and its links to Drug Cartels in Tijuana?????

Wage, I support yr right to post whatever you want here. I am for free speech.


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[I have to stay away from this dang time waste, not enuff ‘HOW TO SURVIVE PEAK EVERYTHING INFO’, Or, perhaps we cant survive peak everything.]



"Citizens United" marked the point of new return. Corporations held sway before that, but SCOUTUS handed the keys of the kingdom to them with that decision and said, "Drive as fast as you want, don't worry about street signs or lights and oh, by the way, feel free to drive drunk!"

The "elections" are now just a dance, nicely choreographed by the Super PACS.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/09/world/europe/amid-economic-strife-greeks-look-to-farming-past.html?hp
As predicted...back to the farm when the financial situation becomes overwhelming...


"A few months from now neither major party will have a credible candidate or a plausible platform of ideas. This will be painfully obvious. What angels and demons will rush into that awful vacuum?"

--This dearth of ideas will not be obvious at all to the masses of subscribers. Myriad specious ones will inundate and rally Ameribots as these candidates engage in their usual chicanery, ignoring real problems while rallying the bots with junkfood issues like preserving marriage, ridding gays from the military, defending against an illusory war on religion and saving us from those who'd take away our guns and weigh us down with pointless regulations (I mean who needs clean air and water anyway? I know, right!).

Sad but true as usual James. Though again, as usual, the timeline is probably way too aggressive. We’ll likely be surprised at how long this whole scenario takes to play out as common fixations on notions long departed collectively serve as the ultimate conservatism. It will probably take a shock to the system, most likely in the form of a natural disaster, to shake people out of the trees. And then, there’s the remote possibility that people might actually awake to an entirely unfamiliar world that had been silently gestating during their slumber.

http://www.Thesisa.org/

This is the long-term direction of life in North America, by the way - a breakup into small autonomous governing units. - JHK

That's my question - nothing lasts forever so what shape will it take? I think there's some outlines coming into view ie I heard that 87% of Republican votes in the last Presidential election came from the states of the old confederacy.

So maybe, when the Washington bureaucracy no longer has the will or the military or financial wherewithal to exert its power there, that's one chunk that will break away on its own. Maybe California is another. 38 million people makes a fair sized country by itself.

There's another possible scenario: who will be the American Romulus Augustulus and who will be the American Odovacar, the last American President and the General who shoos him out of Washington and into permanent retirement.

Maybe there will be a rump country left, a group of die hard states calling themselves the United States of America, maybe clustered on the eastern seaboard, governed from Washington DC, while other de-facto independent countries are governed from regional capitols ie Chicago.

Hell you don't even have to think about it on the conscience level. It is just so. And so much fun to observe it. There really are no secrets in the universes. Everything is right before you in plain sight.

What these sanctimonious pricks don't realize they are doing is destroying the very legitimacy of the idea that we're capable of governing ourselves per se.
==

That's the money line.


NOTHING is an accident. Everything is planned. JHK, you've correctly diagnosed the setup. But what you have not done is follow the money, and you have not identified the puppet masters behind puppet show. I know you say you are allergic to conspiracy talk, and that you don't subscribe to the NWO global imperialist "conspiracy". But you're an intelligent person, and I'm sure sooner or later you'll recognize the reality of the situation.

The reality of the situation is that the Vatican and their Jesuit Order has been fighting a war against The Protestant Reformation and The Enlightenment for many years, decades, and centuries. After it has lost the 30 years war, the Vatican assumed a more clandestine posture and has been using its banking agents, its agents in various corporations, its agents in the various Secret Services, to implement its war objectives against Christian "heretics" and the Jews. Once you understand this, you will have a new perspective on history. A perspective that will now make sense of the contradictory facts that do not fit the official propaganda or official narrative of history.

A long time ago I was involved in establishing the first Green Party in North America. The major initial funding that enabled the office, phones, etc. came from an airline pilot and a surgeon.
The whole point of the effort was provide a political place for the "left" and "right" to come together without the inherited bullshit inherent in the prevalent political postures.
In Canada our leaders purport to belong be "Conservative" but really they are a radical party, promoters of the foul Tar sands projects and, despite their claimed christianity, ever eager for war and the purchase of expensive weaponry from their friends.
The Green party is a conservative party that recognizes that all facets of life happen within our environment, dinking with monetary systems or arguing about foundational principles or beliefs are a useless waste of time.
The Green Party still has the potential to be the political place for those who care to vote for what matters.

JHK, I bet you and I are the only ones here who know who "Parson Weems" is without a Googling. I'd go a bit further in the Old Southwest's stable of writers to find the ones for our times.

Try on George Washington Harris and Johnson Jones Hopper for size. They have us some memorable stereotypes for dangerous American bumpkins and rubes: your Brother Jobe without the charm.

We have a lot of GOP-lovin' Sutt Lovingoods and Simon Sugges running about, pretending to be "edumakated": potentially violent con-men and thugs, just waiting for their rancid moment to come. And the ever flaccid Obama may just give it to them.

...someone talks about the "coffee party", somebody else talks about the "foundation party" and then has the balls to say it represents the 100%! I guarantee you your silly "clubs" don't represent me. This country is going to split up into smaller parts exactly as Jim predicts. Look at modern Africa and Mexico if you want to see whats coming. Just what makes this country worth saving anyway? I have no children so I really don't care what happens anymore but at least I can be objective about it. People can't even come to grips with their own mortality but they think they can save others from themselves! Every human that has ever lived or is alive now is flawed in some way, which is why no system of governance has ever lasted and why the cycle of war never ends. Hell is other people.

You're back huh bud?

For the record St Louis murder rate went down, it went from three a day, to maybe only two a day, with the gang bangers shit bags doing almost all of it.

Good luck to you in using facts, figures and logic to argue with Mr and Mrs J Evil Stupid Fuck.

I don't seem to care for it.


Caleb Temple


I hope the liberals don't bitch too much that somebody had to bring race up!

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I agree with you all the way. One thing I do wonder about though, is, when will it become too dangerous to be caught reading blogs like this? The thought police are out there, they just need a little more time.

Note: Paul Craig Roberts out did himself with a great description of exactly where we find ourselves today:

http://www.vdare.com/articles/the-dismal-economic-outlook-for-the-new-year

This describes our state of democracy or facism, the lies told to the American people and the way off-shoring and globalism has destroyed the middle class. All this for a few bankers and corporatists.

It describes the NDAA as the repudiation the constitution. [the demise of the Constitution, the product of a eight hundred year struggle that produced Anglo-American civil liberty, is worth the price of “safety.”]

"...sincere doubts about the climate change "story?""

I know of no one who doubts that the climate changes. It does so daily, continually, at all points of the compass. The only "story" is that the very vapor that man exhales is the cause. And that little "story" is a fucking fairy tale.

Now be quiet and stroll down to the little store in your town square and try and purchase a clue.

Line of the week:

"There is an inverse relationship between the seriousness of these times and the laughable personalities vying for a place in history."

Yep, amid world shaking economic crises, relentlessly accelerating climate changes and the death of the American middleclass dream we are presented with "the unloading of the clown car" for new leadership prospects. Sheesh.

But what can we expect from a country that is willing to contaminate its own aquifers with heavy metals and carcinogens in order to squeeze out a few more drops of its drug of choice. America is an energy junkie, its skin cracked and teeth rotting, oblivious to its decrepitude, waving its pistol around the Middle East streets and babbling like a madman. It is willing to ignore the radiation raining down on its farmland, even reducing the monitoring, in order to support the crack-pipe dream of nuclear power.

We are in very deep denial on a number of fronts. The contest is going to be between those demanding a New Deal and those who will insist upon a resurrection of the Old Deal, even at the cost of Corporate Fascism and the complete elimination of liberty and free speech. So far it looks like most are willing to accept that prospect if they can keep their piggish lifestyles - which they won't, BTW.

"What voices will resolve out of the phenomenal noise of gadget America, with its deafening tweets, incessant advertising, instant messaging, idiotic robo-calling, and ever-present flat-screen assault on the senses? "

This from a man whose site advertises a trip to Vegas so I can see Blue Man Group, Tweet about or get a "free" download of one of his books or read his blog on my Kindle (sorry, don't have or want one).

Ah, OK...I guess. Sounds slightly hypocritical but what the fuck.

JHK,

Excellent article, as is usually the case.

We are all of us slaves to our own psychologies, to our own delusions, denial and willful ignorance.

Your fantasy of a revolution against corrupt aristocracy is a major longshot, even in the best of times in the days of upslope before Peak Liberty, and doubly unrealistic given the extraordinary power of modern techniques of mass psychology, advertising, and PR, to deceive and contol most of the people most of the time.

I have to admit, it's a nice fantasy. Gives me the old 1776 warm fuzzies just to think about it. But 1776 was the end-product of a century or two of the Enlightenment as well as 1000 years of Medieval Chrstian madness spurring them forward, and whatever we are going through now is the very opposite of the enlightenment, and is a result of centuries of relative human progress that generally reduced by large amounts day-to-day unnecessary suffering and injustice in the world (even though, overall, a dent was barely made and now we regress back so swiftly)

The Endarkment? Or will a simple "Dark Ages" suffice? Maybe it's all about the idea that humanity, like water, constantly seeks it's base evolutionary level.

Again I say, the most likely way 21st Century RW Corporate Socialism will ultimately go, in one form or another, will be the way it's predecessor, 1930s German RW National Socialism went, albeit with excellent PR, plausible deniability, and of course, a unique American flair: "Love American Style", the sociopaths' plausibly deniable love, cooing soft gentle words to their victims while setting them up to die, then letting them die.

Think the Native Americans. Think the New Orleans Superdome during Katrina, writ 1000000 times larger.

Doomer paranoia? No more absurd than your putting Michael Bloomberg, that poster child for the 0.01% Callous Corrupt Aristocracy Gang, forward as a potential "national savior".

I assume you missed or stared straight through his First Amendment comments as his cops were sweeping out the upstart rabble of Occupy.

“There is no ambiguity in the law here. The First Amendment protects speech. It does not protect the use of tents and sleeping bags to take over a public space.”

http://restoringtruthiness.org/8081/mayor-bloomberg-ows-amendment-protects-speech-assembly

I also assume it is abundantly clear to you the massively transparent Big Lie Bloomberg promulgated by utterly ignoring the easily verifiable second part of the First Amendment that he purposefully omitted (either that or he is less educated in civics than a 5th grader, which is highly unlikely).

You remember that part...you know, the right to freely assemble and petition the government for redress of grievances.

Why did he leave it out? Likely, because Bloomberg knows that his Big Lie works just as well as it did when RW Corporate Socialism was in it's much more brutally virulent 1930s Germanic form.

And THIS is the man you would tout as a savior? Who either doesn't know the First Amendment or doesn't mind lying to we upstart rabble about it, knowing that most Americans cannot or will not be able to discern a Big Lie, particularly when it comes from aristocratic authority.

Knowing beyond that, even if he is caught in the Big Lie, it will simply be lost in the nonsense of the cacophonous carnival of 21st Century National Dialog, which itself has literally obliterated the very concept of objective facts from the National Mind.

Sadly, I assume you are like the rest of us, able to look straight through facts which don't conform to your view of the world, or your personal ego and, ahem, tribal affiliations.

Not that it makes you and yours substantially different from anyone else and theirs, in case you think I am singling you and yours for race or religion-based criticism. Nope. Just saying you and yours are at bottom, not very different from those "mean, dumb Teabaggers" you (and I)frequently deride.

To put it another way, by the same logic that Smart Phones don't automatically make people smart, a centuries-long PR program presenting people as the most conscience-stricken, moral people on Earth doesn't make it so. Not even close. Even if it was true at one time, it sure ain't anymore. Power corrupts, James. No race, creed, color, or religion is immune.

See B'Tselem's website for further information. As a longtime supporter of Israel who's eyes were gradually opened by the building of the Great Wall of Israel, the murder of Rachel Corrie, the grotesquely lopsided "shooting fish in a barrel" barbarities of 2006 and 2008, with this lovely Israeli Army T-Shirt

http://trendsupdates.com/current-fashion-rage-among-israeli-soldiers-t-shirts-with-images-of-dead-palestinian-babies-and-messages-like-one-shot-two-kills%E2%80%9D/

as sort of a cherry on top, seeing the tiny sliver of actual conscience-stricken Israelis (the same tiny sliver that seems to exist in every society, no more) helped me understand that despising Israel's increasingly brutal lying barbarity, torture and murder was NOT simply a case of hateful, carping anti-semitism, as is nearly universally framed by Israel's numerous defenders (including the Christian Zionist Teabaggers, for the most part)

www.btselem.org

I say again, it doesn't matter whether there is a globe-spanning conpiracy of multicultural aristocracy, Bliderberg-style, or this whole thing is 100% completely unintentional and uncoordinated at the top 0.01%, due to the psychology of collapse, both mass and individual, the trends, outcomes and analyses are nearly identical.

In other words, as the ponzi scheme fully peters out within the next 20-50 years and the true suffering/horror of contraction begins, it doesn't matter whether Bilderberg is just a harmless yearly gathering of fun in the sun or a malevolent tightly interwoven conspiracy of aristocratic lunatic "gods", because the universal aristocratic self-interest to keep power and rank even on the sinking Titanic would compel them to behave, the closer to true collapse and major unrest, exactly AS IF there was a malevolent tightly interwoven conspiracy of aristocratic lunatic "gods".

You'll see.

The Green Party doesn't understand that the control of money creation is essential to a functioning democratic society?

Clearly, you know nothing about the Green Party, or its position on money creation.

http://www.monetary.org/

I suggest that you check out the website, note that the Green Party has been on this issue for years, and refrain from slandering us anymore.

Serious People abandoned Obama years ago. Smart people never voted for him to begin with. I mean he was a Racist - obvious from his writings (probably done by Ayers) and going to Jeremiah Wright's Church for twenty years. Yet Whites who pride themselves on not being Racist voted for him. So such people have neither consistency and decency, nor ordinary commonsense and a desire for self preservation.

And Jill Stein, who is running for President for the Green Party, ran for Governor of Massachusetts in 2010.

Like Howie Hawkins in New York, Rich Whitney in Illinois, and Laura Wells of California, Jill Stein had a plan for a North Dakota-like State Bank in her platform.

We do, indeed, understand that a debt-based monetary system is unsustainable, just like a profit-based economic system is unsustainable, because exponential debt or exponential growth are both impossible in a closed environment.

Sooner or later, something has to give.

In the bank system, the 99% have to give.

In the economic system, the ecosystem has to give.

So we're watching mass impoverishment of the people in the economic ststem, and mass extinction of plants and animals in the ecosystem.

I'm still of the mind that this presidential election will play out similar to the last few. I don't foresee a major third party candidate and I think plenty of the population will rally around their party's candidate. It will be crazed and stressful, people will be proclaiming the end of the world if their candidate isn't elected, and each nominee will blame the other's party as well as some foreigners for this country's problem. Glorious days will be promised if the population just pulls the right lever.

No doubt there will be some good protests and rowdiness, and that will probably provide the most unique element of this election. But otherwise it will go down much as normal. In the meantime, this country will just keep falling apart, poverty will become more widespread and most people will keep trying to ignore those facts. That's what I've been writing about over at my blog, that we all need to learn to live in poverty since most of us are headed there anyway. Better to be as in control of that process as possible.

One good wild card is an attack on Iran. I'd be shocked if this happened--I just don't think Obama's ready to go there yet and I can't see how it wouldn't skyrocket oil prices and provide a body slam to our economy, while simultaneously destroying what's left of Obama's support amongst the Democratic base. But, then again, I would never rule it out and god knows even progressives are willing to rally around a good war. I do worry about that path being taken in the next few years.

A couple good disasters tied up with environmental degradation, energy acquisition and climate change may find their way into our lives this year, too. That could mix things up. Should be an interesting year, if a less than apocalyptic one.

Joel

At last the People begin to awaken from the sleep of the 20th Century. Way back when people knew about Conspiracies. How not since our Founders were Conspirators - good ones? The Founders were very afraid of the Banking Conpiracy of Rothschild coming to America via the Bank of England. Such Anglophiles were present from the very begining and wanted to set up a Central American Bank just like England's.

Likewise, they were very afraid of the Illuminati infiltrating the Masonic Lodges as they did in France - which lead to the French Revolution. The horrors of which cured Franklin and Jefferson of their lingering Romanticism. The Russian Communists loved the personalities and tortures techniques of the French Revolution. The considered themselves their "spiritual" successors. Yes, Monsters both.

Now you have to study what the Founders believed about Race and you are Home.

Jim and all the gang
Yes Jim, we do appear to be in a breathless waiting period. The future is clouded and obscured by the continued spewing of bullshit from the MSM, gov'mint and political hacks. But really they can't continue to hide the little monsters of economic and social collapse much longer. Those two unruly personages are getting restless and rowdy in the national closet they are hidden in. They want to break out and explode with a vengeance into the open. Not even the advent of an Iranian conflict will keep them out of sight much longer.
Ron Paul continues to speak contrary to the consensus being pushed by both wings of the War party. That at least is a glimpse of hope, he discusses taboo subjects, like peace, reducing our bloated military and he advocates individual liberties as articulated in the Constitution. So even though many doubt he can prevail, his persistent and growing stature is a victory in and of itself. As I have said before, I disagree with some of his positions, but really he is the only pol with alternative ideas at this perilous moment.

I look for a moment of truth to occur very soon. March seems to be appropriately being targetted by those who attempt to follow ongoing trends. This is fitting as Ceasar could tell us, the Ides of March loom ahead. I have no idea what form this apocalypse( unveiling) will take, but look forward eagerly to the moment in horrified fascination. What will be revealed? Who will pay the price for the global misery, poverty and despair that has been imposed on all countries? Stay tuned, because in all probability this revolution of truth will be televised.
loveday

Attention ! Do not worry. Do not look behind the so called curtain. The Psychopaths are in full control. You just aren't privy to the nuances of their plan. Everything is as it should be.
I repeat, the Psychopaths are in full control.
Be quiet, be happy. Go back to sleep.

People smart enough to set up this system of enrichment are smart enough to know that it has a time limit. Obviously America is meant to propel them to World Dominance and then once used up, fall back to Earth like one of the fuel stages of the old Apollo rockets.

Shame on Americans for being stupid enough to let it happen. Vote Ron Paul who will at least try to audit the Fed and get to the bottom of it.

I'm sure the Elite have contingency plans. If it all falls apart they will be prepared to emerge from their shelters fully armed and in communication with each other. They intend to be the biggest kids on the block and recreate a medevial type civilization with themselves as the Lords and Ladies. America gave up on Civil Defence decades ago. Compare America with Switzerland which has shelters for every Citizen. The Citizen Soldiers of Switzerland fully intend to emerge from their shelters and defeat any invading force.

Your ignorance is truly astounding.

Clearly, you also know nothing about the Greens.

The Four Key Values include Grassroots Democracy.

Hancock,

Good post. Doesn't matter what drives the beast, only that it is a beast and we are in affect the micro-organisms on its back.

It's like what I say about state owned monopolies or corporate monopolies, it's all the same when you have no choices.

I think of the slow collapse as an event horizon, how big it is is anyone's guess.

If these "protesters" act as individuals, it has a chance of effecting change. If they act as a group with leadership, it will be smashed. This is our government's specialty.

I know of no one who doubts that the climate changes. It does so daily, continually, at all points of the compass. The only "story" is that the very vapor that man exhales is the cause. And that little "story" is a fucking fairy tale.

(a) What you're describing is weather, not climate.

(b) Arguing that increasing the concentration of carbon dioxide in the air cannot be harmful because human beings exhale it is as stupid as arguing that wetting the bed is normal because human beings excrete urine routinely. A waste product is a waste product. What matters is the balance of atmospheric CO2 between plants and animals, and how it affects retention of solar radiation.

(c) On the Internet, clues are free:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPCC_Fourth_Assessment_Report

You won't even have to get out of your chair.

It's tough to see how the European financial crisis resolves itself.

Seems to me that the different versions of how to fix it is some variation of German taxpayers transfering a portion of their wealth and income to PIIGS countries so they don't blow the place up - which ain't gonna fly with the good German townspeople.

Or it involves Italian and Greek politicians taking orders from German bureaucrats on how much they can spend - which ain't gonna fly either.

So I think this "fiscal union" that Eurocrats keep talking about is a fairy tale that sooner or later runs into local political realities.

The graduates of the high falutin European grandes ecoles des hautes etudes (that really fucked things up) can fantasize all they want about how to fix things but the man in the square, be it in Germany or Greece or Italy, with his rocks and bricks and bottles will show the big thinkers what's what.

It is very strange that so many Americans see so clearly that corporate domination of our political system is leading us into doom, and that the two corporate parties are unsalvageable, and that we need another choice, but...

If I point out that the Green Party has in its platform (from 20 years ago) that we don't accept corporate cash, and that we are committed to living in a sustainable, democratic, just society, the objection invaribly is...

"You're not viable". Or "You're not serious".

And just what defines viability or seriousness?

Why, corporate money, of course. And corporate media exposure.

Why do so few people see this?

We need to be wary of JHK'd sudden disappearance.

His not so veiled calls for public violence as a response to our dysfunctional national leadership could be construed as supporting terra-ism under the new national security law thereby making him a candidate for being seized, incarcerated, and never to be heard from again.

BTW, great Eyesore for January. At long last, could we finally discontinue all government and private loans and grants for people who want to major in Planning? Divert the funds to people getting degrees in fine arts, English and philosophy. At least those poor souls are only screwing themselves.

"Why did he leave it out? Likely, because Bloomberg knows that his Big Lie works just as well as it did when RW Corporate Socialism was in it's much more brutally virulent 1930s Germanic form."

1930's Nazi Germany was FL far left....(big government kontrol, regulations, subsidized welfare programs (think Autobahn and big military spending))....Far Right is close to anarchy and very small and limited Government......Zieg!!!

One of your better posts, Jim.

In the novel I'm working on, one piece of back story is that the US/Canada breaks up into about several different blocs - the Confederate States (renamed the Free Republic of America), which eventually also captures Maryland, about half of Pennsylvania and Ohio, all of Indiana except around Gary, and half of Illinois, and extends west to the Texas border. West Texas itself becomes the anchor of the Western Alliance, a confederacy that includes most of the Rocky Mountain states, and is more or less allied with the FRA. Southwest Texas, NM, Arizona south of Scottsdale, California up to Monterey become El Norte, a Mexican-American hybrid state.

The American Union extends northward from the expanded Mason-Dixon line, and even there you have an uneasy alliance between the Midwest and the Northeast, ultimately breaking down into the Maritime Alliance that ends up integrating New England with Eastern Canada, with its capital in Toronto and its largest city being Boston, and Lincoln, with it's capital in Chicago and encompassing the Midwest. New York City, New Jersey and Connecticut become the New York Alliance. The West Coast from Monterey North and west of the Rockies becomes Cascadia, incorporating the Canadian coastal cities of Vancouver, Victoria, and Alaska's Anchorage, Juneau and Kodiak. Hawaii becomes a Japanese protectorate.

This is of course, pure speculation, but it most closely matches the geopolitical nations that exist today. The divide between "conservative" and "liberal" doctrine fairly closely aligns with these regions, with the conservatives for the most part echoing beliefs that really haven't changed that much in more than two hundred years, echoing the old plantation era/southern aristocratic belief system, while the collectivist and communal approach of New England clearly mirrors the strong community orientations of the Pilgrims, Puritans and Quakers that founded the various northeastern states, as well as the Scandinavian, German and Norwegian immigrants into the Midwest. Jim's call towards returning to community roots is New England at it's purest.

The Western Alliance reflects a strong religious ethos and a deep seated libertarianism that reflects the region's background as a corporate vassal state (and the inhabitants corresponding distrust of government, which was all too often used punitively against the little guy by a corrupt corporate state), El Norte is a re-establishment of the Mestiso-dominated Spanish Empire holdings, while Cascadia reflects the polyglot culture of San Francisco, Portland, Seattle and Vancouver, which has an increasingly mixed-Asian face, a strong entrepreneurial orientation and a strong environmental awareness (in the book, this eventually becomes the Arcology of Cascadia).

I don't believe a full police state can ever be enacted over the United States in toto - the pressure would cause the country to break apart into its regional nations first, because a police state also exists to exert a value system upon its populace, and the value systems between regions are just too different. A police state in Oakland is very different from one in Chicago, New York, Atlanta or Denver.

This obviously won't happen tomorrow, but I'd say it will likely happen within the next forty years, especially if peak oil does in fact prove out. The established oligarchy is already collapsing - as evidenced by the increasingly desperate measures being taken to manage the status quo. Increased state controls are a manifestation of that collapse, but the more heterogeneous the population, the harder it is to prevent rebellion, and the US population is one of the most heterogeneous on the planet. We will devolve into civil war first.

Here's another view. It's from an article in the New York Times which itself draws on an article in the journal Science:

"In the very long term, the ability to artificially warm the climate, particularly the Arctic, could be seen as a boon as the planet’s shifting orientation to the Sun enters a phase that could initiate the next ice age." - NY Times

This is the link with the journal Science:

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/325/5945/1236.abstract

So which is more disastrous? Global warming? Or an ice age which is not a figment of a fevered right wing imagination as we've been through a sequence of ice ages interspersed with warmer inter-glacial periods (like the one we're in now) in the last two million years.

I've read that the last ice age ended about 10 thousand years ago. They say that at its peak the northern hemishere was encased in ice sheets about two miles thick ie several million cubic miles of ice that lowered sea levels by several hundred feet.

Now if you can imagine what a new glacial onset would do to the global food supply with breadbaskets like North American prairies and the European steppes getting progressively colder and ultimately under several thousand feet of glacial ice...

So I leave it to you... which is worse?

Personally I have no earthly idea.

It is very strange that so many Americans see so clearly that corporate domination of our political system is leading us into doom, and that the two corporate parties are unsalvageable, and that we need another choice, but...

It is strange, indeed. I find that Americans are so hypnotized by the assumptions of their locked-down two-party system that they are effectively immunized against the first prerequisite of a meaningful solution: a viable alternative to the Republicans and Democrats. Competitive third parties are a threat to their duopoly, so the incumbent parties have locked them out with arcane rules, and the bankrupt intellectual class plays its part with relentless propaganda that paints any alternative as being from the whacko fringe. The only solution is for U.S. Greens and others to double and re-double their efforts to break in and shake up the status quo. Believing you'll never get anywhere is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

How does Jill stand on the State Of Massachusetts forcing the Church out of the Adoption Service since they wouldn't place with Gay Couples? In other words, does she support Religious Freedom or Communist Oppression?

So which is more disastrous? Global warming? Or an ice age which is not a figment of a fevered right wing imagination as we've been through a sequence of ice ages interspersed with warmer inter-glacial periods (like the one we're in now) in the last two million years.

I'm not arguing against the known fact that all recorded human history has taken placing during an interglacial period that has already gone on longer than these things normally do. That's a serious long-term consideration, obviously. What I am arguing against is continuing a way of life that is effectively a mindless cancer consuming the biological wealth of this planet. We need a more mindful relationship with our world, as well as some humility about the wisdom of thinking we can 'manage' the global climate. If we ever have to attempt large-scale geo-engineering, our descendants may conclude that accepting a renewed Ice Age might have been the 'less worse' option.

The Chinese care not for the environment and will gradually take over Cascadia. The Whites will be driven into the Mountains to fight for Freedom, Trees, and Animal Rights from there.

Great post.

Pure spec as you say but one that has some basis in historical reality in the USA.

My bet is that it's the states of the old confederacy that wave bye-bye first.

IMO this will likely take decades - a gradual unravelling with a lot of acrimony, mutual loathing and recriminations - until something like a Ft Sumter event triggers a cascade of crises ending (or beginning depending on your point of view) in declarations of independence.

Here's an RT interview with Paul Craig Roberts, discovered by link-chasing an earlier post from lbendet, about the merits of the GOP field and Ron Paul's viability. Why anybody believes any candidate stands a chance to significantly alter this irreparably corrupt system is astonishing. What, then, is the point of voting for those of you pushing even alternative candidates? Roberts seemingly shares this view.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/01/03/capital-account-paul-c-roberts-ron-paul-has-his-hands-full-trying-to-restore-the-constitution/

Even if Paul could get elected, his presidency would face intense and genuine controversy different to the phony congressional partisanship presently sold to voters by the PR shills in the MSM. Shills, I'll add, who post candidate plugs here ad infinitum.

At any rate, the only conclusion I've been able to reach from just a few weeks of using this site is that A.) the "can kicking" (printing money) will continue INDEFINITELY absent any new major boots on the ground war that causes a sudden significant spike in oil costs, and B.) as long as the U.S dollar continues to be the the world's primary exchange currency for oil. All this seems to be on the radar, but hasn't it been for years?

I mean what else is there? The so called banksters seem to be getting away with every unethical act imaginable. The politicians are wholly complicit to the schemes. And the majority of the voting public still believes in the top-down democratic structure. Have I oversimplified or missed a different factor that will make a full-scale economic collapse instantaneous? It just feels like all the phenomena that should have brought about collapse already have been cleverly thwarted. It seems like 2012 will be another year full of scandals that never materialize into any game changing events. Looks like bleeding to death instead of a plain crash.

ABSALOM

Global Warming would be gradual allowing for the building of dikes, relocation, etc. In contrast, Ice Age conditions could come on within a couple of decades. The snow stops melting and that in turns makes the world colder, and that in turn brings the no melt zone further to the south and so on. The original cause would be a relative lack of solar activity of course.

Oops, apologies for the blatant mispellings

And again

LMAO

Absalom, I can certainly understand, and empathize, with your points about this "having gone on for years." I can remember my mother saying to me back in the 1970's that the stock market, was evolving into "gambling no better than Las Vegas, but more rigged" and that the nation was being run "by liquidators". Oh how precient and accurate Mom was, may she rest in peace! But regarding what certainly appears to be gradualism, your quandary may be adequately addressed by a joke. A guy jumps out of a window on the 40th floor of a skyscraper. On his way down, an observer at a window on the 20th floor shouts to the jumper as he passes by "How's it going?" To which the jumper responds, "So far so good!" Things can appear to be working until some kind of breaking point is reached.

"In what sort of Creationist parthenogenetic incubator are such pietistic idiots hatched?"-JHK

Fucking classic. Will I, one day, cease to be amazed at the degree to which the knuckle-dragging troglydites that are the voters lap up the grool that these self-promoters are serving? I'm not sure we are capable of self-governance.

Also sorry for the misspelling. "Precient" should read "prescient" in my recent post in response to Absalom. G-d forbid that the grammar and spelling troll on this board should spot my transgression!

since we are still on the subject of Racism..
Hey,there goes a flock of sparrows..not a single blackbird in the bunch...damn Racists,
look at that bunch of blackbird that went by...not a crow in the group...damn Racists.Get it morons?

Vlad, my grandfather, a WWI veteran in the German army (shot twice on the French front) said something similar to your point to my mother some 60 years ago (he was an immigrant to the US in the 1920's). He said that in the US the ruling class would support patriotism amongst the rank and file until "they had gobbled up the world" at which time they would leave the rank and file to the vagaries of future history (i.e. cut them loose), no longer having need for their support. I would add the same can be said of the US corporations. I can remember back in the 1960's and 1970's the companies would talk of their personnel being their most important capital. Who hears that nowadays? No more personnel department, now its "human resources." Welcome to reality.

Nice weeks work, JHK. Thank you, as always.

"Likewise, in the USA, some pressure-cooked December employment statistics gave the false impression of a brightening jobs picture, but no major news network dared to glance behind the curtain...." -JHK-

Indeed! And part of what's behind the curtain are 100,000 legally admitted US immigrants per month.

Q. Where are these new inhabitants going?
A. Mostly into crowded city and suburban areas.
Q. How do they live, with near zero job growth?
A. Mostly on AFDC, section 8, and govt. programs.
Q. What happens to the US middle class?
A. The middle class gets by on less and less income, it shrinks, and it finally vanishes completely.

Yep - It's easy to see the future. It's harder to understand why the US won't perform the simple, legal expedient of reducing immigration inflows - legally, just by changing numbers on pieces of Federal Level paperwork.

We are an amazing people.
Economically doomed, but amazing.
http://www.cis.org/

How Nazi-like of you to say so.

Sure, in spite of the fact that the Nazis were considered Far Right by their peers...

In spite of the fact that the Nazis considered themselves Far Right...

In spite of the fact that the primary donors during the rise of the Nazis were Fritz Thyssen, the German Industrialists, and a large part of the German Aristocracy (groups notorious for their support of Communists - chuckle)...

In spite of the fact that the actual most honest Far Right, relatively undeceptive, strictly nationalist party of early 1930s Germany, the Stahelm, eventually happily merged with the Nazis...

In spite of Nazisms extreme loathing of both Communists and Left/Liberal & Communist Jews...

...sure they were Far Lefties.

Rewrite history all you want, Goebbels. It makes it no more true than when the Soviet Commies did it in the 70s.

I'd tell you to go get educated and read a little history, but we both know you won't do that.

Sure...Adolf Hitler and the Liberal Jews...on the same side! Adolf Hitler and Anne Frank surely wanted the same things, right? They just had a sort of intramural scrum over how to do it.

Everytime a fool says Hitler was a Lefty like the Commies and Jews he murdered by the millions, a Demon gets his pitchfork.

Good job, bright boy. Somewhere a Demon wants to thank you for his shiny new badge of rank...

How so oh brilliant one?

"We need a more mindful relationship with our world, as well as some humility about the wisdom of thinking we can 'manage' the global climate. If we ever have to attempt large-scale geo-engineering..."

So we need "humility" in "thinking we can 'manage' the global climate." But then you suggest we may attempt "large-scale geo-engineering..."? Shut the fuck up, idiot.

Mr Hancock.........the National socialist party started out left wing regardless of what your saying here......it was a dictatorship utilizing both wings...... It was bread on the idea of backing the workers through socialism and people backed them at first because Germany was in such a bad depression.......people love to vote for the canidate that promise goodies......almost exactly whats going on today......

As the Happy Motoring lifestyle fades away during this century, it will leave behind vast tracts of land covered with asphalt.

"the total area of all parking spots in the U.S. could cover Connecticut and Vermont"

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/arts/design/taking-parking-lots-seriously-as-public-spaces.html

Following description of book "Liberal Fascism" By Jonah Goldberg

"“Fascists,” “Brownshirts,” “jackbooted stormtroopers”—such are the insults typically hurled at conservatives by their liberal opponents. Calling someone a fascist is the fastest way to shut them up, defining their views as beyond the political pale. But who are the real fascists in our midst?

Liberal Fascism offers a startling new perspective on the theories and practices that define fascist politics. Replacing conveniently manufactured myths with surprising and enlightening research, Jonah Goldberg reminds us that the original fascists were really on the left, and that liberals from Woodrow Wilson to FDR to Hillary Clinton have advocated policies and principles remarkably similar to those of Hitler's National Socialism and Mussolini's Fascism.

Contrary to what most people think, the Nazis were ardent socialists (hence the term “National socialism”). They believed in free health care and guaranteed jobs. They confiscated inherited wealth and spent vast sums on public education. They purged the church from public policy, promoted a new form of pagan spirituality, and inserted the authority of the state into every nook and cranny of daily life. The Nazis declared war on smoking, supported abortion, euthanasia, and gun control. They loathed the free market, provided generous pensions for the elderly, and maintained a strict racial quota system in their universities—where campus speech codes were all the rage. The Nazis led the world in organic farming and alternative medicine. Hitler was a strict vegetarian, and Himmler was an animal rights activist.

Do these striking parallels mean that today’s liberals are genocidal maniacs, intent on conquering the world and imposing a new racial order? Not at all. Yet it is hard to deny that modern progressivism and classical fascism shared the same intellectual roots. We often forget, for example, that Mussolini and Hitler had many admirers in the United States. W.E.B. Du Bois was inspired by Hitler's Germany, and Irving Berlin praised Mussolini in song. Many fascist tenets were espoused by American progressives like John Dewey and Woodrow Wilson, and FDR incorporated fascist policies in the New Deal.

Fascism was an international movement that appeared in different forms in different countries, depending on the vagaries of national culture and temperament. In Germany, fascism appeared as genocidal racist nationalism. In America, it took a “friendlier,” more liberal form. The modern heirs of this “friendly fascist” tradition include the New York Times, the Democratic Party, the Ivy League professoriate, and the liberals of Hollywood. The quintessential Liberal Fascist isn't an SS storm trooper; it is a female grade school teacher with an education degree from Brown or Swarthmore.

These assertions may sound strange to modern ears, but that is because we have forgotten what fascism is. In this angry, funny, smart, contentious book, Jonah Goldberg turns our preconceptions inside out and shows us the true meaning of Liberal Fascism.

So we need "humility" in "thinking we can 'manage' the global climate." But then you suggest we may attempt "large-scale geo-engineering..."? Shut the fuck up, idiot.

Go back and re-read the rest of the sentence about geo-engineering -- the part where I suggest our descendants might conclude it was a bad idea. Mrs. B. gets zero points for reading comprehension, but full marks for both straw-man argumentation and vulgar abuse.

Illegal immigrants do not qualify for subsidized anything. Legal immigrants are getting less and less all the time. Illegal immigrants do not get "welfare" or food stamps or section 8.

Clinton eliminated welfare in the USA. Remember the 1990s. There were 12.3 million receiving AFDC in 1996. Then Clinton eliminated welfare and changed it to Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF, with a work requirement attached). Only 4.4 million received TANF in 2010. Quite a decrease from 12.3 million to 4.4 million.

Similarly with the Food Stamp program. Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) is the modern-day successor to the Food Stamp program and serves 44 million Americans.

43% of all food stamp beneficiaries are white, 33% are African-American, 19% Hispanic, and 2% Asian.

Clinton's welfare reform in 1996 also imposed some duration limits on receiving food stamps. In any event illegal immigrants are not entitled to food stamps.

Likewise, with Section 8 housing. There is an employment requirement attached, and illegal immigrants are not able to work legally, so they are not eligible for section 8 housing.

Through the Housing Choice Voucher program, 3.1 million low-income households receive aid, but it is not free. Typically, tenants pay about 30% of their income for rent, while the rest of the rent is paid with federal money. Thus, the more income that a beneficiary makes, the less the federal government will subsidize.

Why is everyone so pumped up about WWIII? I think Civll War II will be a much bloodier and fiercely fought contest. As usual, I will be supporting the underdog.

"Are you charmed by their absurd casual clothing?"

Come to think of it....yes. Those sleeveless, v-necked sweater vests sported by Sen. Sanatorium really goes well with and compliments the delivery of his reactionary, 'dog-whistle' messaging. I couldn't imagine a more appropriate sartorial accompaniment.

Ya Jim, revolution might be in the offing for next summer, but right now the miracle Denver Broncos and Tim Tebow beat the mighty Steelers, and frozen Buffalo Wings are on sale at the local Piggly Wiggly Market for $1.79 per pound!!!

--WSP7

Everytime a fool says Hitler was a Lefty like the Commies and Jews he murdered by the millions, a Demon gets his pitchfork.
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Hitler was a Vatican/Jesuit tool, as was Stalin. Study their early history! Both received their early training by Jesuits. Both received their funding, their propaganda and political cover, their industrial war making capacity and technologies from the same source. That source being the Vatican, via their Wall Street Banks and Corporations.

The aim is to eliminate heretics (Orthodox Christians, Protestant Christians, Jews, etc.) and to consolidate the Vatican's hold on Europe (and the world) via the political dialectic of Fascism vs Communism. (Both are really the same thing).

This is a war that dates many centuries. It predates WWI and WWII. It is a war that goes back to the Protestant Reformation and the Enlightenment that followed. It is a war against Liberalism, knowledge and freedom. It is a war to that seeks to re-establish world tyranny and domination.

The banking cartel, the corporate cartel, the various Secret Services, the captured governments, the captured political parties, the NGOs, the media, etc. -- these are all owned and controlled by the Vatican and their proxies. You are partially correct in that what we are witnessing is the setting up of the NWO, the old Dark Ages. What you don't realize, is how deep the rabbit hole goes. The "New World Order" is really the old age of Rome and Romanism. And that's what the Vatican is all about!

"Go back and re-read the rest of the sentence about geo-engineering -- the part where I suggest our descendants might conclude it was a bad idea."

Why would they conclude it was a bad idea unless we had attempted to actually practice it you imbecile? And why would we attempt such a thing if we had practiced the humility you called for?

Now be quiet for a bit and reflect on your stupidity with humility.

Nice post, HC. And man, I've got to hand it to you for creativity:

"The Endarkment? Or will a simple "Dark Ages" suffice?" Funny stuff, Hancock. Chilling, but funny.

Some poster, Captain Spaulding maybe?, asks if and when the simple act of reading a website like this one, will get the reader in trouble with authorities.

It's a good question. I HAD begun to assume the opposite - - - That the existence of websites like this one - with our plethora of demonstrably wacked out posters - is a way for the Elites of our Corporations and Government to channel mental energy - in to something that is easily monitored, yet essentially useless.

But, then there is the new Internet censorship law. And there are existing "Hate Speech" laws.
You may be about to find out, Hancock. Criticizing JHK's "tribe" and the actions of their Tribal Nation, even with the careful disclaimers that you used - you appear to be out on thin CFN ice, doing a beautiful pirouette.

And you've gone and gotten Vlad wanting to talk to you. I was encouraged to self-censor, late last week - as though even attempting a conversation with the resident White Nationalist - puts me beyond the Pale. (bad joke, I know)

You've been asking - who or what will be the new minority, targeted for persecution and death, as the United States descends into a Dark Age. Certainly not the Jews, nor any other minority that has ever been persecuted before. Being novel thinkers, we Americans will want a NEW outgroup to ostracize and blame.

I'm thinking the non-minority elderly will be special targets for hate and discrimination.
Ironic bad luck for most of us on here, huh?

And thanks for mentioning this organization. I'd never heard of them, until you posted today.
http://www.btselem.org/

You sure you don't have your own blog or something, HC. I'd like a way to keep in touch, if we both get banned, here.

Third party candidates -

There's no doubt that the two party system is a large part of the reason that the US is so bifurcated and FUBARED, socially.

But supporting a 3rd party candidate (Nader) gave us BushII, courtesy of Florida.

And supporting another 3rd party candidate (Perot) gave us Clinton instead of BushI.

It's fine to fight for the abolition of the two-party system.
But simply voting for a 3rd party candidate in a close election - really does mean throwing your vote away - into unintended causes.

This is an organization that pretends to be Israeli, but is not. It receives its funding from Europe/Vatican. The aim is that of propaganda against Israel. This is done via Vatican sponsored Litvaks pretending to be Jews, who go out and abuse and incite both the IDF and the Arabs. It is a hall of mirrors. That whole puppet show is produced and distributed by the Vatican and their proxies.

Why would they conclude it was a bad idea unless we had attempted to actually practice it you imbecile? And why would we attempt such a thing if we had practiced the humility you called for?

Um, I suppose I should thank you for parroting my own argument back to me. The problem is, you seem to think I disagree with myself. To restate my point: Our approach to our planet and its climate is arrogant and assumes we understand more than we do. As a result, we are in danger of trying something stupid, like geo-engineering, in the belief that we can control the results. Our descendants will judge us for the results.

You are now into negative points for reading comprehension. Also, I'm pretty sure you're the same troll I've had the displeasure of tangling with before in this forum, so go find someone else to feed your appetite for nonsense. I'm sure you won't be able to resist what you will consider a totally crushing riposte, so consider yourself pre-ignored.

What an impedimentary answer, asoka..
Congratulations!

My entire post was about reducing legal immigrants.
LEGAL! L E G A L! ! !

Over half of asoka.'s answer concerned ILLEGAL immigrants. sheesh.

And K-dog was wondering why I usually say LEGAL AND illegal immigration, when that's what I mean.

See the problem, K-dog? You too, SNAFU?
Nobody gets it, even our resident impediment on all things immigration related.

Within two decades we're going to have all of the bad things associated with overpopulated third world living, here in our own United States; hunger, starvation, disease, and death - and none of the good things.

We're Americans! Throttles to the firewall! Rah!

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Standing by for pro-immigration reply from asoka., involving:
1. Economic growth is always good
2. Moral Platitudes
3. Ethnic dining and entertainment

Anybody got anything better?


I'm pretty sure that mrs beasley is oeo in drag.

There is no point in trying to carry on a conversation with him.

What I think I'm hearing you say, metuselah, is:

1. Israel always Good
2. Vatican always Bad

Does that, pretty much, sum it up for us?

And voting for Obama gave us Bush the Third. I see no improvement with Mr. Hopey Changey, just a continuation of fascist tendencies, on a continuum through the two coroporate parties.

Asoka just pointed out the damage that Clinton did to the social safety net. Clinton also starved Iraqi children and bombed Sudan, Iraq and Yugoslavia.

He also pushed NAFTA, the WTO and his vice-president, Al Gore, sabotaged the Kyoto treaty negotiations.

Obama has passed the first law ever forcing every American to buy health insurance, presided over trillions of dollars given to banksters, while millions of Americans are thrown out of their homes, increased the attack on Afghanistan, and added attacks on Pakistan, Libya and Yemen, while supporting covert attacks on Syria and Iran, all the while openly threatening to attack Iran. He openly assassinated two US citizens, one a 16 year old, and JUST LAST WEEK signed a bill legalizing throwing anyone on the planet into indefinite detention, without charges or trial. Have you already forgotten?

And I'm supposed to think that voting for one of the two corporate parties won't get me unintended results????

You must think that I'm an idiot, Prog.

Just follow the news. Who is it that you ALWAYS hear about ALL the time? Who is it that NEVER here about?

Coincidence? I think not.

I'm not saying Israel is perfect, nobody is. I'm saying that there's a deliberate and constant long running campaign to bring Israel to the headlines, no matter how trivial the story. And often the story is staged and is a projected lie, produced and distributed by the Vatican and its proxies to vilify Israel by false misrepresentations.

Which new minority will be targeted for persecution?

Rather than speculation, why don't you look at trends?

Blacks and latinos are thrown into prison at a much higher rate than whites.

Arabs are being slandered the way jews were traditionally. (Although posters on this blog shows that old ways die hard.)

Sure, they're also pushing generational warfare, but the ones already doing time are the ones I would consider to be the special targets.

Obama's health insurance company enrichment bill will kill off the elderly without actually shipping them to concentration camps.

As medical care becomes more expensive, and more hospitals are shut down, (especially in rural areas), then people who are sick, but could be saved, will die.

It will be seen as natural. It's already starting, but with elderly blacks, not whites. It's referred to as "lowering of life expectancy".

So pay attention.

That was fun.

Not only did you use the old moron's logic, "Of course the Nazis were Lefties, they had the word Socialists in their name."

Geez, by that "logic" the Republicans stand for a Republic and the Democrats for Democracy because, you know, that's what they call themselves.

Actually, both are working for your Masters, 21st Century American RW Corporate Socialism.

THEN you have the nerve to cut and paste nonsense from the heart of the Right Wing Noise Machine, demonstrably some of the worst liars and deceivers in all of history. The true inheritors of the Nazis, at least propaganda-wise.

You know what's funniest about you Right-Wing Authoritarian Followers?

It's not the cognitive dissonance and the liquidity of your own views depending on what the Corporate-State propaganda says, no matter whether they are completely the opposite of what you believed the day before (i.e. 1980-1992 "Deficits don't matter!"; 1993-2000 "Deficits are terrible!"; 2000-2008 "Deficits don't matter!" 2008-? "Deficits are terrible!" - what could be a more Nazi style of "flexible thought" that modern American RWAs?).

Plus, like most RWAs you can't even think for yourself. Cut and paste. Sheesh.

There's so much that is historical innaccuracy in that cut and paste it would be a tremendous waste of time to correct it. Plus, the more facts I would expose you to, the more you would cling to the lies. As Bush said, you create your own reality. Actually, you don't create anything, you just repeat like a mindless parrot the words of your cunning masters. A curious human phenomena, but very prevalent, especially since Ed Bernays and the invention of psychologically desgined PR.

Hey, maybe you should cut and paste more Nazi-style upside-down wholly false propaganda. That will surely prove that you're no Nazi.

Bet you don't know who the Nazis greatest political foes were before 1933? Why...the Democrats. But not just Democrats...the German SOCIAL Democrats, a bunch of liberals, with a pinch of actual socialism.

So, who do you think would have hated the German Social Democrats more (or the modern Democrats, for that matter), you or the Nazis?

I think it's a coin-toss.

I'm pretty sure that mrs beasley is oeo in drag.

There is no point in trying to carry on a conversation with him.

Damnit. Wish I'd read your post before wasting 15 minutes of my life on that human garbage sack.

One thing that helps them in that regard is, like the Nazis, they are so uniform in thought and word (even when they aren't cut and pasting lies) it's difficult to tell them apart since they all repeat the same bullshit in almsot the same words.

But thanks for the heads up. I won;t make that mistake again.

Met, didn't the Vatican and Israel establish diplomatic ties in 1993?

Obama's health insurance company enrichment bill will kill off the elderly without actually shipping them to concentration camps.

As medical care becomes more expensive, and more hospitals are shut down, (especially in rural areas), then people who are sick, but could be saved, will die.

Exactly what I have been talking about when I mentioned 21st Century "Love American Style".

Nazis with better PR and more plausible deniability - this appears to be the inevitable end of the now ironclad trendline in 21st Century America, whatever the actual details look like.

"It can't happen here," my ass! It's pretty much already happened, and all that remains is for the corpse of the former USA to hit the ground with a meaty thud, landing directly on the dissenters and the free thinkers, the poor and the weak, of course.

Small consolation, Wage, but we can take a bit of vicious pleasure in the same way we would have had we lived in Weimar 1931. Because it is a virtual certainty that all these ignorant Right-Wing Authoritarian Followers and not a few deserving Obama-bots will eventually see the terrible machinery of the RW Corporate Socialist State turned upon them, either by using them as disposable bullet-shields or getting a dose of their own "Love, American style" right back at 'em. And so many of them will lick RW Corporate Socialism's boots, even as they are ground to dust beneath it's heel, because they know no other way to live than to play Follow the Leader.

It's not much, but when living on the sinking Titatnic, every little pleasure helps, even if it is a bit "Jerry Springer"-ish.

Actually, I'm glad you did. I started to respond to that same old garbage, but wore myself out just thinking about it.

It's just an impudent reversal of the truth to call the Nazis left wing, and yet, as Hitler pointed out, if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it.

So thanks for calling him out.

Yeah, but because the Nazis came for the communists, and came for the socialists, and came for the trade unionists, they didn't get to see what happened.

I'm guessing we won't last long either.

And notice that stock dividends became much rarer after defined benefits ended and everyone was supposed to become little Capitalists and invest in Stocks for a secure future via the IRA, Roth, etc.

They got us coming and going.

Again the anti-White rhetoric of the Left. Elderly Whites are suffering. And Blacks and Latinos should be in jail more since the commit more crimes. Sheesh, will you get a clue?

Are you saying that the Israeli Defence Force is really the Vatican? Or that they just "make" them wear those T shirts? Do you have one?

SQBB says "greeks-look-to-farming-past.html?hp
As predicted...back to the farm when the financial situation becomes overwhelming..."

I read that article. I think its a common thing to have in the back of one's mind "the land". You know, "the land you can go back to".

On a global scale, its unthinkable. If humanity had to go back to the land there would be nothing to go back to. Much of the arable land is under cultivation. In countries where there are no parks, wilderness, or protected lands, the problem is acute. People simply set upon wherever there is bounty, and quickly damage and disable that area's ability to sustain the bounty. Then they chicken-scratch the land until its raw and bleeding. Then they move or starve. The massively subsidized Ag corporations are doing the same except the erosion is well-disguised by fertilizer inputs and crop cover. Plus no one sees a meadow where there has been permanent cultivation for the last 150 years.

Kunstler's back to the land theory gains support by the Greek example, but the glaring difference is contained in the article. As a social practice it seemed that investment in real estate was widespread. No such tradition exists here. Americans that own real estate own barren corporate buildings, or their own houses. The lots they stand on are practically sterile and incapable of supporting life. That predicts that an American movement 'back to the land' will not be a migration of stake-holders but as people entering the labor-force in one of America's least-paid, most dangerous occupations.

As for Greece, lets see how these folks make out after a season or two.

Thanks for the compliment.

It's curious that Vlad would keep trying to engage me, often in a semi-friendly fashion, when I could NEVER embrace his worship of inequality and shameless domination of the poor and weak by the rich and strong, regardless of what disguises he tries to use to sell me.

Hell, last week he told me that he "agreed" with me, and that he supported the aristocracy of merit and BREEDING.

Well, duh, any intelligent eigth-grader could figure out what's grotesquely hypocritically twisted about that typical Nazi double-speak, and how the very statement he produces to "agree" with me is actually diametrically opposed to my stated position.

B'Tselem is brave and great, and while they may eventually fall into danger, my sense is that, for whatever reason, Israel is a little bit more committed to the illusion of freedom and democracy that the former USA, even though neither nation is free or democratic in any sense of the word besides propaganda's window-dressing.

As long as Israel needs to keep pretending, B'Tselem is pretty safe from at least overt brutality, I would think. From a PR standpoint, Israel's rulers would be more damaged by losing their window-dressing by treating Jewsish dissidents like they treat ordinary Palestinians with apartheid, torture, and murder, as opposed to letting "little dogs bark" in an era when nothing can be heard over the cacophonous modern propaganda machine.

Remember, by considering EVERYTHING as a PR problem and nothing else, will give you a significant edge in understanding aristocratic thinking, therefore better understanding the present and predicting future trends. Everything is PR today. Period. That is how our Rulers think and science and experience has proven them sadly correct.

Of course, it's also the kind of "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" thinking that could get you lynched, beaten, or otherwise harrassed in a decade or so, you freethinking socialist hippie!

"Our beloved Job Creators would NEVER be so base as that. They LOVE us and NEED us! Only poor people are as venal as THAT!"

The punishments for disbelieving RW Corporate Lies will surely get more severe as the economic and political collapse picks up speed.

Though the "informal" punishments of disbelieving Corporate State Lies, are already pretty high right now and work in tandem with economic desperation.

I, too, have had similar dichotomous thoughts about the nature of internet postings and also can't decide which is true. Like most complex human systems, both are probably partially true.

Think of our aristocracy's situation like Caesar as he tried to get Rome under his domination. From the perspective of his enemies, Caesar never made a mistake, was invincible, and was comfortably twelve steps ahead of everyone else.

But the history shows that, from Caesar's perspective, he was in a desperate race in which he kept having hairsbreadth victories just a step or two ahead of his own destruction until the Senate was fully broken, defeated, and he was finally acknowledged as dictator for a ten-year term.

It's a little more complicated than that, but it gives you the flavor of my thinking on this. Like how the final destruction of the Bill of Rights came so quick and hard on the heels of Occupy being swept away in a cloud of pepper spray and the usual police brutality.

If our Rulers were as smooth and invincible as it appears from below, they wouldn't have rushed so quickly to fully end the Bill of Rights, which tipped their hands to probably a few more people. But they did, beacue like Caesar, from their level they are in a desperate race to get us fully under metaphorical and perhaps literal lock and key before enough people wake up or some other Black Swan Critical Mass event occurs and then it's too late for full lockdown, unlikely as it might seem from our perspective.

On another note: If JHK lets Vlad spew away his racist bile week after week and Old 8 man spew his BS and his many chinese salesperson alter-egos, I cannot imagine he'd ban us for much more tepid and non-racist legitimate criticism.

You also said:

You sure you don't have your own blog or something, HC. I'd like a way to keep in touch, if we both get banned, here.

Sorry, no blog, but you make a good point about keeping in touch, and I would like to also. I don't know how without exposing ourselves to spamming from CFNs Asshole Brigade. Let's both think on it and see if we can come up with a way of exchange actual information in a way that is not open to the public.

Then they chicken-scratch the land until its raw and bleeding. Then they move or starve.

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Wrong. They change and adapt. When it is a question of survival people are highly motivated.

See Cuba surviving a 50 year hostile USA blockade as an example. Of course, most of the world will not have a hostile blockade in place, so survival should be easier.

I just got an interesting email. Seems that TPTB have taken note of the widespread disgust with the two corporate parties, so have created a new one.

Now you can express your disgust with the other two without actually having to do any of the work involved in political action or change, just by doing your usual, pushing a button every four years.

I have always said that Americans want a third party, but they want one to spring from the forehead of Zeus, fully formed and with ballot accesss. (Which is really, really difficult to get. But this party has already done it in 13 states. Now you're talking real money!)

"Supported by major Washington/Wall Street insiders, a group calling itself "Americans Elect" is in the process of getting itself on the ballot in all 50 states. (See NYT article below.) So far, it is on the ballot in 13 states, among them Ohio and Michigan. Two states have qualified it within the last two weeks alone -- California and Rhode Island.


Americans Elect is structuring itself to be broadly democratic. But it is framing itself as centrist. Its stated near-term purpose is to provide a venue for a serious, centrist, "independent" presidential run (Bloomberg/Petraeus, the Times suggests). Its current rules call for a ticket that includes both a Democrat and a Republican.


This seems to be the fascist, capitalist third-party movement we have been predicting.


While the the publicly accounted for funding of AE comes from a man who seems to have made his fortune on Wall Street (Peter Ackerman: Drexel Burnham Lambert), other funders, reportedly hedge funds, have been secretive. The elder David Rockefeller seems to be lurking in the wings.


Besides Ackerman, AE's board includes Admiral Dennis Blair, who has tight ties to the defense and intelligence communities and served as Obama's Director of National Intelligence. William Webster, past head of the FBI and CIA and current chairman of the Homeland Security Advisory Council, is a member of AE's "Leadership" group.


AE's "Leadership" includes serious Washington/Wall Street insiders, top frontmen for the One Percent -- political pollsters and consultants, think-tank heads, partners in major Washington and Wall Street law firms, past directors of Democratic and Republican national committees, and upper echelon executives of big finance.


Of these, C. Fred Bergsten perhaps best defines AE. In his 20's, Bergsten covered international economics for Kissinger at the National Security Council (NSC). During his career he has touched base at the Brookings Institute, the Carnegie Endowment, the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), and the Treasury Department. For the past three decades, he has headed the Peterson Institute for International Economics. He has been an important mechanic in constructing economic globalism.


Bergsten does not jump unless he is very sure that it is sanctioned by the powers behind the scenes. He is close to David Rockefeller, who has been a board member of his institute since its founding.


If it is successful, the mid-term effect of the Americans Elect campaign will probably be to split the existing parties, consolidate the "center," and polarize the electorate. In the broadest sense, the Americans Elect campaign seems to be the One Percent's response to the broad movement of which Occupy Wall Street is a part -- that is: the increasingly class-conscious movement of the 99 Percent."


Sure we probably won't live to see it. But the likelihood that it will happen, sooner or later, is so high as to be a virtual certainty, now that things have proceeded this far.

Sure, it'd be more enjoyable in a "poetic justice" sense if we could actually get to witness it, but we can't always get what we want, so we'll have to be satisfied with the secure knowledge that the future trend is just about already written, all but the specific details, and can proceed only through a narrowing canal of options built on the actions and inactions of the past.

And that the outcome becomes more certain with every RW Corporate Socialist act. Weimar 1931 levels of certainty at this point. Still a slim outside chance for a miracle that's not going to happen, that is pretty much a structural impossibility, given our mass psychological, economic and political states. Obama's NDAA and laughable signing statement has narrowed our options for any different future significantly.

He still has a long way to catch up to Bush/Cheney in total responsibility for future friendly fascism and "Love, American style", but he's got a nice big share of responsibility now. Plus, he and his congress administered the final blow, and that counts higher, IMHO.

Founders were very afraid of the Banking Conpiracy of Rothschild coming to America
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Care to back that up with a legitimate source or two?...don't bother with some racist website, that doesn't qualify on any level.

Hitler was a Vatican/Jesuit tool, as was Stalin. Study their early history!
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On the sanity scale average posts here have slipped from "slightly weird" to "barking mad" in recent weeks. More amusing than informative....but it's got that going for it anyway.

Black churches are joining with the Occupy movement to protest the economic policies of the 1%.

http://www.occupydream.org/

January 16th, at your nearest Federal Reserve Bank.

If the the establishment choices are Bloomberg/Petraeus versus Obama/Clinton, who do you see winning? I'm thinking people will vote for the ones they already know, instead of risking the ones they don't know.

I hope this comment doesn't get eaten up in cyberspace last the one I did last week, that's annoying.

Just got up to check my calendar and sure enough, there's a full moon tonight. That must account for all the hyperbole and silliness erupting today in response to JHK's column. I suppose for the crackpot racists who post here, blogs and other anonymous forums are all that's left for them to spew their bile without getting punched out.

Learned something new though, that the Vatican is the real enemy, when all along I'd bought into the idea that it's Muslims we have to look out for. Oh, and dark skinned people, can't forget them. Or the Jews, they're on the enemies list too I think. Hard to keep up, just happy to be a White Anglo Saxon Protestant and always on the Right Side of God. Seems to me if anyone is superior, and smart enough to plot a new world order, it should be us.

And God knows we'd never let Vlad or this Mrs. Beasley creature into OUR heaven. It takes more than white skin and the right religion and geographic pedigree, you also need manners. They'll never make the cut.

Asoka, thanks for the history lesson on what Clinton did to the welfare system. Same thing happened in Canada and they copied each other's bad ideas back and forth. If Clinton, as a Democratic president, could do that to the poor, it just proves what somebody said earlier, that both parties are really just the same. "For the people" indeed. The corporate ones.

It will be a hell of a year, that's for sure. Thanks Jim for giving us so much to think about.

I knew who Parson Weems was and that he was responsible for the early hagiography pertaining to George Washington. Weems was an Episcopal priest, as indeed George Washington was an Episcopalian layman albeit a fairly lukewarm one who disliked kneeling to receive communion and who was not liked by his rector [pastor] owing to his habit of retiring to the church's lawn to have a smoke.

The truth seems insane to you because you've been cocooned by a web of lies. You've been so isolated from the truth by government propaganda and lies, that when you actually hear the truth it sounds insane.

I assure that I'm saying about Hitler and Stalin is true. If you care for the truth, you will go and research this for yourself. One say you will thank me for this.

i sure miss mr tibbet...the gardening season is soon upon us- maybe for the last time, according to natural news.com: house bill S 510 will make it a felony to "smuggle" produce to a farmer s market, or to save seeds...wtftstfizzat, eh?! i m thinking his method of growing food that keeps coming back is looking more attractive, for sure...2%, anyone?

This is typical CIA/Vatican/Jihadi propaganda tripe that you hear from the typical propaganda outlets, made to delegitimize Israel. You haven't clue about Israel or Israelis. You're just a propagandized CIA/Vatican/Jihadi propaganda parrot.

I assure that I'm saying about Hitler and Stalin is true. If you care for the truth, you will go and research this for yourself. One say you will thank me for this.
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Forgive my atrocious typing. That should read:

I assure you that what I'm saying about Hitler and Stalin is true. If you care for the truth, you will go and research this for yourself. One day you will thank me for this.

Wage:
"Of these, C. Fred Bergsten perhaps best defines AE. In his 20's, Bergsten covered international economics for Kissinger at the National Security Council (NSC). During his career he has touched base at the Brookings Institute, the Carnegie Endowment, the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), and the Treasury Department. For the past three decades, he has headed the Peterson Institute for International Economics. He has been an important mechanic in constructing economic globalism."

Rockefeller and Kissinger you say? That alone is the Kissinger of death!

That's the fix to get the people to believe they have the freedom of voting. Anything to keep the illusion alive.

Hancock,

I too get exhausted when I hear the same old tripe. The inability to agree on basic historical facts. The Nazis were far right wing fascists.

I figure the revisionists on the right just have to attribute all negative things to the left. That's the world they live in. It's 10th grade World History but hey, who cares about basic facts, anyway.

Are you saying that the Israeli Defence Force is really the Vatican?
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No, that's not what I said at all. The IDF is composed of Israelis. The Litvaks with their Vatican Talmud their and their made up Vatican "Jewish" customs and costumes, are neither Jewish nor do they serve in the IDF. They are a Vatican created and financed foreign transplant. These Litvaks are not Jews! (Naturei Karta, Lubaviches, Bnei-Brit, etc.) They attack the IDF, they attack Israelis, and they attack Arabs. They deliberately go out and provoke conflict. And then on the other side of the ledger you have foreign organizations like beit tzelem and other media, that use these Vatican sponsored foreign transplants to produce their propaganda against Israel and Israelis. The whole production is CIA/Vatican/Jihadi theater from A to Z.

The whole production is CIA/Vatican/Jihadi theater from A to Z.

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The CIA and Vatican are in with the Jihadis on a theatre production?

The CIA and Vatican support the Litviks?

The Litviks and not Jews, but they attack Arabs?

Something does not compute.

CORRECTION

The Litviks are not Jews, but they attack Arabs?

Seems you have something in common with the Litviks, metuselah.

What a shit-pile these comments threads have become. Jim needs to turn comments off unless he's using them to monitor the corn-pone nazis he's always talking about.

Yes, I mean you Vlad and of course, "the pissant." Of course the rest of them are close to useless except the occasional note from Wage or Asoka.

Clue dipshits; climate change is real, it's coming FAST, and it's coming NOW.

Go check out Jeff Master's latest blog entry.

Now look here: http://ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/records/

High temperature records have beat low temperature records over the last year at a rate of over 3-1. Over the last 30 days high records have beat low records at a rate of 20-1. This is where some dipshit is going to say "well that's weather" because the dumbfuck doesn't understand that weather that changes over an entire continent is climate. Especially when the changes are all headed in the same direction year after year.

So unless we get really freaking lucky and get normal snows and normal rainfalls and a nice quiet tornado season. Well, fat freaking chance; we're hosed. All your little corn-pone nazi dreams of killing all the drakes or throwing them off welfare so they have to wipe your ass at fifty cents and hour aren't happening. It's survival time and really the best survivors, the people who know how to live on two tamales a day and some field greens are the illegal immigrants.

As for the elderly? Well, just like in the Japanese tsunami they aren't getting tossed off the bus. The bus is leaving without them.

Who was it queried "will the world end with a bang or whimper" maybe Faulkner? I think there will be lots of banging between now and "the end" but for sure whimpering when it's all over.

"Of course the rest of them are close to useless except the occasional note from *.... Asoka."
-pangolin-

Ah, Pangolin. I was just talking about you last week. You are the best representative of anti-Western hatred that I believe has ever graced these CFN threads.
You even eclipse asoka.. At least he usually tries to hide his hate and loathing a little bit.

"It's survival time and really the best survivors, the people who know how to live on two tamales a day and some field greens are the illegal immigrants." -pangolin, gloating-

Looking forward to the rest of us dying on schedule, Pangolin? As long as you can have an ethnically diverse diet, provided by those illegal immigrants of yours, and available to you for take-out on demand?

You never responded to me about this post of yours, either:
"As for any black man in an urban area who shoots a cop; well, I can't blame them. I won't stand anywhere near them but you can't blame them for the impulse." -pangolin, 2/11/11 @ 2:07 a.m.-

You need to take a long hard look into your own soul, Pangolin. What has American culture done to you that makes you feel this way? How long do you think most of those "black men in an urban area" would survive without electricity, food trucks, and the cops that are sworn to protect those urban areas?

*originally "Wage and asoka." I removed Wage from the quote, because I've never seen her express the glorious hate, that you and asoka. express, Pangolin.

apologies in advance, if necessary, Wage

How NAFTA forced Mexicans off their land and into the USA.

http://www.thenation.com/article/165438/how-us-policies-fueled-mexicos-great-migration

And I'm still supposed to think that it's a good thing when the Democrat wing of the corporate party beats the Republican wing.

"Yep - It's easy to see the future. It's harder to understand why the US won't perform the simple, legal expedient of reducing immigration inflows - legally, just by changing numbers on pieces of Federal Level paperwork." -P2C

Legislation to change the numbers and qualifications of immigrants would change tomorrow if it were in the interest of those who OWN the "Federal Level" of everything.

It isn't, so no change will be forthcoming. False hope is a waste of energy. I can understand your passion on this point, but I don't see it as ultimately fruitful. Other "factors" of the Great Crumbling will intervene, IMHO.

No, I don't hate "western" culture, Prog.

If by western culture you mean tolerance, freedom and friendliness.

But the policies of the 1% which beat down the rest of us, the other peoples of the world, the forests, animals, oceans and topsoil of our planet?

Yep. Hate them.


Wagelaboror said, "It's just an impudent reversal of the truth to call the Nazis left wing, and yet, as Hitler pointed out, if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it".
I believe it was Joseph Goebbels who is credited with that strategy.

I wouldn't group Ron Paul in with the other presidential contenders.

"It's just an impudent reversal of the truth to call the Nazis left wing, and yet, as Hitler pointed out, if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it." -Wage

Yep, also know as, "brazening it out".
A subset of Karl Rove's mostest fa-vo-rite-est ploy:
Accuse others of doing/plotting/thinking the heinous and venal things that you, yourself are ALREADY actively engaged in! (Not brilliant in any sense, but it works, as we have seen.)

A. E., eh, Wage?
"Assholes Exclusively" would seem to fit their abbreviation.
All the AE's "good people" mentioned (and many not, if we can find 'em) should be put on a list for future reference. Mademoiselle Guillotine will find them delicious.

The rule of law is gone. Just look at those insane justices on the Supreme Court.

In physics after chaos comes order. This is what is required in this nation.

The latest statistic I heard today is that Georgia has the fattest children. No doubt, they get their cheap Chez Curls at Walmart, the company that loves to shut down American jobs. It is clear, that we have a devolving society in the US. We have very dumb people. Many pretend to be intelligent. For example, those average American working stiffs who vote against their own best interests and favor the party of the rich, and outsourcing, cannot make up their minds which moron to choose to vote for. They have no idea which moron is their best pick. They go to the last minute undecided. They continuously say that they have to meet the moron first before they decide. Are they illiterate? Can't they read just how regressive these GOPie morons actually are? They have to look at their sweater vest colors in order to decide?

I heard Professor Simon Johnson say that the Eurozone will likely see a nation-fail later on this year, before the election. The Eurozone is imploding. It resembles a balloon slowly getting way too much air.

The southern states really have absolutely no idea just hard austerity is going to dope-slam their fat, dumb faces. Bobbie Jingle Jangle Jindal is going to get steamrollered by the people of his state.

What we have in the White House is a complete sellout fraud, and those running against him are GOPie perverted psychopaths. They are all way too big for their shoes.

http://eye-on-washington.blogspot.com

"Still a slim outside chance for a miracle that's not going to happen, that is pretty much a structural impossibility, given our mass psychological, economic and political states. Obama's NDAA and laughable signing statement has narrowed our options for any different future significantly." -HC1863

The only way "out" is "through", I'd guess. Whether we see the other side might simply be a matter of luck and geographic happenstance.

That signing of 'Murkin's death and imprisonment warrants over the "joyous holidays" was a pretty cutesy move, wasn't it? (Absolutely designed.) "Nothing to see here; move along; you won't be affected; remain calm; return to your homes..."

"...Doodles, teevee, and psychotropic drugs will be provided..."

Anyone who believes that Ron Paul should not be included in the condemnation of the GOPies, has been drinking way too much Kool-Aid. Ron Paul happens to be the most rightwing GOPie in government today. He is against the Fed but fails to tell his fans that even before the establishment of the Fed the financial robber-barons were very powerful. Just as powerful as they are today. He has no plan to repair the monetary problems.

He believes in doing away with most, if not all, of the government agencies. He wants to give the richest among us more free rein, less regulation (BP, Shale drillers, corporate raiders, financial gamblers, etc.), fewer taxes, etc.

Under Paul, the working stiffs would ultimately pay the most, suffer the most, and lose the most.

He would be very happy to drill baby drill pretending that we could be energy independent.

The guy is nothing but a bobblehead flapping is mouth.

...And yes, Jammer, Joseph Goebbels (a fine person of unimpeachable moral rectitude). ;o)
Thanks.

I wish I didn't have to work a day job. Then I could post a link to pimp my blog at 9:30 AM and watch the hits roll in.

Instead, I'm down here with the folks who still believe in the political process jousting with the corn-pone nazis.

But I'll pimp the link anyway since Mr. Kunstler is so generous about it.

I'm reviewing my 2011 garden seeds' performance this week- selecting out the varieties that survive the tough northern summers. The evidence of climate change is all over the place this year in Minnesota, so it's time to stock up on tough seeds.

No- actually stocking up won't do you any good. Time to really learn how to grow stuff and save the seed. Unless you are really really really sure the collapse will be fast and total, it's time to learn how to garden. Can't eat gold.

http://eighthacrefarm.blogspot.com/2011/12/seed-reviews-2011s-results-2012s-hopes.html

The nice thing about trolls is that they always come when you ring their bell. The idiot called progress2conserve being a case in point.

Wow, he jumped right up to defend "American culture;" even pulling out an 8 month quote where I sympathized with the victims of the slave-owning culture and the resulting bigotry and oppression. I don't think I've ever quoted anybody on a blog comment that old.

I think those black men in urban areas would survive just as long as clueless whites in the suburbs would. Probably longer. More than a few of them live cheek-to-jowl with asian and mexican immigrants. How about the white folks in the suburbs who live on microwave seal-a-meals and drive-thru take out. I know people who can't drink coffee without starting their car.

When you find some "American Culture" please tell us. Little Debbie snack cakes, NASCAR and Red Lobster don't count.

Based on your geopolitical break down it looks like you've maybe played or at least looked at the video game "Shattered Union". It lays out pretty much what you have. I will be living within the Great Plains Confederation. Based on previous Military Base Realignments I would say the Republic of Texas came out on top of this one. It will be interesting to see if the European Union will be able to send Peace Keepers to restore order in the NYC to DC corridor.

Interesting game and future scenario. Lets just hope it never comes to that. WMBH / Amish living will be a drastic enough change. Till people learn to flourish again.

Stay Frosty & Keep yer powder dry !

Thar be self-hatred mateys!

"I sympathized with the victims of the slave-owning culture and the resulting bigotry and oppression. I don't think I've ever quoted anybody on a blog comment that old." -pangolin-

And I've never seen a rich white boy, which you obviously are Pangolin, say that it is OK for black men to kill urban cops, because these urban blacks great-great-great granddaddy's were slaves.

So - should your oppressed urban black men kill ALL the cops, or just the white ones?

And why do you even care, as long as you keep your belly full of ethnic food?


Hi all,
An excellent article explaining why the old "Left and Right" definitions of the democratic political spectrum is simply no longer relevant:

http://www.holmgren.com.au/DLFiles/PDFs/Money_vs_Fossil_Energy.pdf

Wage, you've hit it on the head. Nice work.

As our options dwindle, James, we need to find a way through the impasse. BEST FROM KULTURCRITIC

http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/deep-temporality-and-the-challenge-of-community/

"Huntsman seems like a ..." SEEMS is your operative word here -- he's Obama's former ambassador to China. And his dad is Glenn Beck's idol/role-model/mentor -- There is no left and right political "spectrum," there is a political circle, and communism and corporatism/fascism bump asses at 360 degrees. Left/right is a puppet show to keep you from realizing that the real divide is them and us. Ignore it, deny it, decry it, and do everything you can do to break its functional grip. Tune out commentators who refuse to discuss issues and instead treat coverage of national elections like they are a football game, write in non- R or D candidates or vote for a third party, enroll in either R or D if you're not enrolled and "waste" a primary vote by tanking a front-runner with your vote; anything, anything, anything you can think of to take a chip off the status quo of our political workings -- do it! It's a significant part of what got us into this mess in the first place. (Yes, it takes flawed education, corruption, etc. whatever the hell it is that our politics has devolved into, its a big contributor too.)

cheers,
A.S.

www.MalthusUniversity.com

"without the inherited bullshit inherent"

As in, Gordon? I believe I poasted here about you and your daughter OWSing in Canada? Or maybe it was the following youtube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-02VrChRqpc

Heh, not too damn shabby. Seems the polar ice cap melt in 2011 held the maximal global temps at bay...

neon vincent, 8man,ibendet,rmtn.p,antisoak, kurt cagle. mrs. beasley hancock1863, wagelaborer---.GET YOUR OWN BLEEPING BLOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

History? The Rule of Law? The incessant flow of unidirectional time, forcing belief in progress and a better life…. This is the core of our problem, James. KULTURCRITIC

http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/deep-temporality-and-the-challenge-of-community/

bearfoot_ As we all know blog comment hijacking is the result of the well known phenomena known as....."most of us aren't very good writers."

Anybody want to comment on Jim's last paragraph?

"I discern the distant sound of rebellion, a spirit that won't be appeased by bytes of Disney-babble from the pandering snouts of Romney, Santorum, Gingrich, Paul or Obama. They are interested only in keeping a set of suicidal rackets going. All the yammer about "freedom" and "liberty" is hollow when the rule of law is AWOL. This ripe time is the natural moment for a true opposition to rise. A few months from now neither major party will have a credible candidate or a plausible platform of ideas. This will be painfully obvious. What angels and demons will rush into that awful vacuum?"

Personally I think we're going to hold our noses and vote for Obama again because the other options are batshit crazy republicans or political unknowns.

Al Franken for president anybody?

Beantown Bill,

Thanks for your response yesterday, and I agree with the bulk of your comment, more or less. I also did not want to interject race into this thread but I also felt it would be impolite not reply to your thoughtful post. So here is one aspect of my response. I was in North Denver a few years ago which is a section of town close to the teeming downtown area that Kulture Critic wrote about last week. Anyway, this is a vibrant, thriving community that is populated by upscale professionals. Property values are up, and coffee shops, wine stores and Pilates studios are sprinkled about a neighborhood that was once predominantly Latino and lower/middle class white. These groups have been pushed to the outskirts of this neighborhood but the student age populace still attend the neighborhood schools. Paradoxically, the public schools within this very vibrant community are a blight: test scores are way down as are the graduation rates. I asked a shop owner why the schools were so bad in this neighborhood and he told me that all the upscale white couples drive their kids to schools outside the neighborhood, or to private schools. So even though revamped inner-city neighborhoods are coveted by young professionals, the public schools within these neighborhoods are shunned by the very people professing to champion the city life style. If you're interested, do a search on the North Denver Highlands and Denver North High School.

Hamilton wanted America to create a Central Bank just like the Bank of England - which had already been infiltrated by one of Rothschild's sons. Luckily Jefferson and Adams saw the danger. These are well known facts.

Wage,

I'm not doubting what you wrote,after all, you're in the health-care biz but could you provide a scenario for how " Obama's health insurance company enrichment bill will kill off the elderly without actually shipping them to concentration camps"?

Remember what Bill said to Juletta after she related being assaulted by Blacks? He didn't offer any sympathy, but after saying that he understood her feelings, warned her to watch her racism. What a guy.

Now imagine his reaction if a Jewish Woman had been attacked. Do you really believe it would be the same?

"Quite a decrease from 12.3 million to 4.4 million."

That's how they do it - eliminate a former program, and institute a "new/better" one, which operates like privatized insurance companies (denying all claims rigorously).

Oh, and I never made any short term predictions. I think I made two different ones, fairly long-term. So quit linking your weekly monday-morning end-of-the-world sarcasm to me. Or, debunk my two predictions!!! (Hint: one was global temperature as the solar irradiance peaks, but I forget the other one [I know, so sad, too bad])...

"What of the headless body? You guessed it - SOYLENT GREEN"

I wonder if Soylent Green tastes like Cheese Doodles?

My bad! Vigorously (not rigorously)...

"http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/deep-temporality-and-the-challenge-of-community/"

Seriously, how many times are you going to poast that drivel today? That's 4+, correct? Now I'm feeling sorry for Gordon's daughter, if she actually reads this tripe!!!

Any Black who would go gunning for White Cops would also rob, rape, or shoot non cop Whites. And once the cops are gone they will. Pango is out to lunch.

From the 2011 "Oh Shit" file looking for a repeat in 2012 this hit.....

"India Reports Completely Drug-Resistant TB"

"Over the past 48 hours, news has broken in India of the existence of at least 12 patients infected with tuberculosis that has become resistant to all the drugs used against the disease. Physicians in Mumbai are calling the strain TDR, for Totally Drug-Resistant. In other words, it is untreatable as far as they know."

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/01/invincible-tb-india/?utm_source=googleplus&utm_medium=socialmedia&utm_campaign=googleplusclickthru

What a fascinating reality tunnel you exist in - assuming it's not an act that is. So how does the Jewish Masonry fit in - Brai Brith, the Sons of the Covenant? Are they truly the descendants of Sabbathi Zvi? Apparently they got the rite from Scottish Masonry, perhaps even from Pike himself.

Gee, I always thought that when you say "I understand your feelings" you are validating that person. And since Juletta was obviously attacked and upset by it, validating her feelings automatically expresses sympathy. You don't have to use the words "I'm sorry" to express sympathy. Someone ought to teach you the art of communication, Vlad.

I better not disagree with you in the future because you have superpowers. You could foresee the future and know how differently I'd react if a Jewish woman was attacked. Of course, you'd be wrong, as you usually (always?) are.

I was reading some rubayi poetry of Khwaja Mir Dard (rubayi originated in 10th century Iran) when the CFN argument about American culture erupted today.

What kind of poetry was America producing in the 10th century when Iran was producing rubayi? OK, unfair question since USA did not exist.

So, what was happening culturally in Europe when the Persians (Iranians) were creating beautiful lyrical love poetry, the rubayi and ghazals?

Oh, right Europe was in the Dark Ages; rude and crude people cloaked in intellectual darkness. The ghazal was not introduced to European poetry until the early 19th century (by German writers).

The Persians had about a 900 year advantage over the ignorant white barbarian Europeans, the same ignorant white barbarians (criminals and religious fanatics) who fled Europe and founded the USA.

In its 250 years the USA has still not produced poetry of the quality of the Persian rubayi and ghazals, in my opinion. Maybe next century?

Good Job. We got all the way to 11:19 am Monday before the race issue came up.

You need to study some Fascist Theory. Fascism is the Radical Center, the Third Position (think of the high angle of an equilateral triangle). By no means is Fascism just in the middle, a little bit of this and a little bit of that. And to say that is just conservatism is crazy. I mean obviously Capitalism is insufficient and equally obviously Communism is a sham, and a vicious one at that. Fascism rejects both completely in terms of their ideology or approach to life - thus the vertical height. The useful aspects of both it retains - thus its place equal distance from the other angles.

Hitler tried to join Unions but they insisted that he slander Germany which he refused to do. But he made clear that he despised the brutality of the Industrialists and Business Magnates.

Shocking as this may be Vlad "black" people are pretty much the same as "white" people particularly since they share all the same genes except the ones for skin color. That means that like white people in Croatia or tan people in Iraq they can make the distinction between population-oppressing paramilitaries and other citizens.

They've even been known to recognize that different policemen are "individuals" and deserve to be treated differently based upon their history of public contact.

Of course, most black men who go gunning for a police officers are walking the same path as most white men gunning for police officers; committing suicide. Intentionally. Sure they could check out some other way but...... some policeman had to be an asshole.

Whitman and Dickinson are spiritually sublime. And the American Transcendentalists were students of the Persian Masters and the Hindoo Classics. Emerson and Thoreau are admired by many in the East - Thoreau even influencing Gandhi.

Blacks are different in terms of brain size and shape and also hormone levels. They have much higher Testosterone which leads to higher impulsivity, aggression, and violent crime.

You have to study, not just prate PC slogos.

Just recently watched "Super Size Me" and "The Greatest Movie Ever Sold." Pretty much sums up the stupidity of the lard-ass oaf majority here in the USSA (AmeriKKKa). I was shocked that the sponsors of TGMES were actually decent products, and not the same old, tired out, GMO hydrogenated oil and GMO (high fructose) corn syrup subsidized oligarchs...

Yum Yum!!! 5 minutes of showtime, interrupted by 5 minutes of flashy subliminals, hour upon the hour!!! Wonder why all the kids are ADHD, and diabetic?!...

Asoka,

Nice post about Persian/Iranian culture, but within "the rude and crude people cloaked in intellectual darkness" some real stunning masterpieces were being fabricated:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tara_Brooch

Sure Bill. I mean what a time to warn someone about racism. Just like Obama was horrified when his Aunt was frightened by some Black low life who had been harrassing her. He cared not a fig for her safety or feelings, only the feelings of the Black hustler.

I don't believe you. You have never expressed any sympathy for Whites nor did you this time. Only Non Whites and Jews. Hey alot of Whites on this site will salute you for that so why pretend?

I agree about Whitman. But Dickinson? She has been called the poet of dread. Hardly transcendental. She appears to search for the universal truths, but her poetic technique is to make the abstract concrete, very shallow compared to the Persian/Iranian masters.

What you have in America is ignorant white barbarism, of the type that sings in public, to the tune of the Beach Boys, the goal being to promote mass murder of civilians in a superior culture.

Buck Stud, thank you. The European "culture" of which you speak, in the form of "masterpieces" is not popular culture. Like the Celtic gold work you refer to, European art was made for wealthy patrons, and the artists were mostly interested in increasing their status in the eyes of the wealthy. I'd call it a cut-throat business, not artistic culture. Europe did not experience a popular flowering of creative expression like happened in Iran when Europe was in its Dark Ages.

The original Persians were White Men you know. The last Zoroastrians fled to India to escape Islamic terror. But it is an interesting place - with remanants of the old culture and genome still appearing here and there. And some of the best of Islamic Culture flourished there once.

Sounds like you have't read here - just went to Wikipedia or something. Yes, most of poetry is using imagery to embody abstractions. The dark tresses of a woman are a symbol of God or "The Beloved" in Islamic Poetry. Other motifs, the Tavern of Ruin, Wine, the Cup Bearer etc. Try to think before you post.

Asoka,

I am not disputing the beauty of Persian culture, but to describe a piece such as the Tara Brooch as made by the hands cut-throat businessmen is just plain wrong. There is only one thing beyond extraordinary skill which could craft such a piece: Love. And what motivated the Irish scribes to preserve the treasures of antiquity, if not Love? Thomas Cahill's "How The Irish Saved Civilization" goes into some depth on the subject, although the title is way too Eurocentric.

But back to Persian culture: The music - Oh My God - I do believe I lived a past life in that land.

Anyone who hates the Beach Boys isn't an American (of the United States). And you think singing their songs in public is a means towards the end of destroying Iran? You're starting to Mika.

I care not if you don't believe me. As far as whites are concerned, most Jews are white and other Semites are Caucasians, too. Since you think I totally favor Jews, I can't be anti-white. But it's not important to me what you think.

I, on the other hand, think you mix up race with color. You dislike the non-white colors, even if the non-white is Caucasoid. You disparage brown peoples like Mexicans, when many Mexicans are Caucasians or a mixture of Caucasian and attenuated Mongoloid. Yes, Mexicans can also be black and mixed-black, but you lump all Mexicans and other Hispanics together.

I don't know why I even replied to your silly post.

No, Vlad, the civilizations (which you deny Black people ever created) of Egypt and Persia were civilizations of Blacks. The Code of Manu of India says that the Persians were originally one of the divisions of the Black race.

The Iranian legends say that the whole region of ancient Persia to India was inhabited by a race of Black men with short wooly hair. Black men. Africa is the common mother.

Cushite civilization is the motherland of humanity. Cushite blood courses through ancient Aryan civilizations. Sadly there was a degeneration over time and many Black characteristics were lost in Aryan and Persian civilizations. But the essence, Black nobility, is the heritage that gave birth to the civilizations you claim were white.

Don't forget the Treasures of Sutton Hoo: the Vikings were also gifted craftsmen as well as Barbarians Conquerors. Also traders, farmers, etc. Although ultimately defeated, the Vikings created the first real Cities in Ireland from trading posts.

The Celts lived a decentralized lifestyle - the kind we need now. The down sides could be partially overcome by communication technology. Also no one ever said that we need to recreate the isolated farm houses of the past. Catholic Farmers lived in villages and walked out to their fields everyday.

No, Vlad, witness ignorant white barbarism for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg

Laughing and joking about mass slaughter of human beings, while referencing the Beach Boys.

Well sure Jews are mostly White. But they don't idenfify with us at all. If you want to insult a Jew call him White. But you know all this very well. Jews are invisible when they want to be but no one can blow their own horn like them. Always trying to take credit and avoid blame. The two go together. You can't have one without the other. The attempt to do so is one of the roots of Jewish Neurosis. In other words, fine if you want to be proud of Jewish Achievment, but if so, you must also be ashamed of the degredation of Hollywood. A stick has two ends. But you'd rather project the bad onto Whites - as scapegoats.

Why did you write to me? We all need opponents to bring out the best in us. Perhaps you know this at some level...

buck stud, my point was the Tara Brooch was commissioned. It was a business deal and is not representative of popular culture of 700 CE Ireland.

'Clue dipshits; climate change is real, it's coming FAST, and it's coming NOW'

And do you have any advice????????????????????

'climate change is real'...Beyond the CC thats been happening for the last 5 billion years?
'Warming up to the ice age' ??? [John Hiatt]

I'll throw this out there too, in case anyone cares to commet. Constantine Nigra (quoted by Hyde) Says:

" The idea that rhyme originated among the Arabs must be absolutely rejected as fabulous...Rhyme, too, could not in any possible way, have evolved itself from the natural progress of the Latin language. Among the Latins, neither the thing nor the name existed. The first certain examples of rhyme, then, are found on Celtic soil and among Celtic nations...we conclude that final assonance or rhyme can have been derived only from laws of Celtic phonology."

http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/seumas-macmanus/the-story-of-the-irish-race-a-popular-history-of-ireland-mca/page-19-the-story-of-the-irish-race-a-popular-history-of-ireland-mca.shtml

On the positive side, we may soon get a functioning passenger rail system. The experience might be more Dr. Zivago than Eurorail, and one-way tickets only with rally strange looking train stations.

Woo hoo! Rhyme!

While Europe was working on getting words to rhyme, the Persians were writing exquisite transcendental poetry with emphasis on lyric quality, mellifluous meters, and tenderness of feeling. All using relative simple language, making it accessible to all.

Of course, 900 years later Ireland got around to using rhyme to develop drinking toasts and nonsense poetry in the form of limericks with lewd, crude, rude, and sexually bawdy themes. Transcendence? Nah, just more barbarism embodied in poetry.

Yes McCain sucks. Why put that on the Beach Boys or all Whites? Europe is White or at least it used to be, and despise that aspect of American Culture. So do I. Iran is Shia and they are much more peaceful than the Wahabbis. They have a right to nuclear power or even a weapon or two. Israel would annihalate them if they lobbed a bomb at them. They know that.

Unnfortuanately, they do support some powerful Islamic groups like Hezbollah. They see Zionism as on the offensive and they feel they have to fight back and not just wait to be picked off. I sympathize with them, but I don't think it's going to end well for them. The Republicans and the Zionists have it in for them and they have it in for the Zionists. Luckily for Israel, Iran and Saudi Arabia hate each other. If they ever united, Israel might be in real trouble.

Fascinating, but probably not true. It probably sprang up in different places at different times. It might be true in modern European History though.

My brother and I were talking about how many lost cities have been found off the coast of Cuba, Bimini (Bahamas), Japan, India. He pointed out that the coastlines have changed since the ice age ended - what was once land is now underwater. Human history is largely a fairy tale past five thousand years or so - and largely distorted since then. There may well have been Civilization for the last 100,000 years.

gg05 said "WMBH / Amish living will be a drastic enough change. Till people learn to flourish again."

I'm reading a book about the Amish. Flourishing isn't in their vocabulary. And I guess it won't be in any insular, geneologically obsessed microsociety that believes in exile or servitude.

The Amish are living fossils. Amazing.

By the way, any time anyone wants to they can emulate the best parts of their culture.

I, for one eschew showering and sponge bathe. Its superior to showering, soaping up and shampooing. But I digress. You didn't come hear to read anything new.

No people who are worth giving a shit about would let people destroy and pollute their groundwater. I include the entire state of Pennsylvania in that metric.

The Ohio Amish are about out of cousins to inbreed with and the Kingdom of Lichtenstein doesn't export sectarian exiles.

Plus the Amish are surrounded by- America. It doesn't look good. I'll bet even odds on the Bolivian colonies. Recently a bunch of town fathers were using an agricultural pesticide to create a sort of house-scale date rape drug.

Local authorities in possession of forensics and rape kits figured out a multi-generational gang of chemical rapists. And this, from a culture which has never watched Wife Swap. How??

Somehow, I doubt you read much of the link. At any rate, it's sort of silly, arguing about what Father Culture has the biggest dick. I like it all, and if something about Persian culture tickles my fancy, I see no point in diminishing another. Moreover, no matter if Persian or Irish culture, it cannot be argued that civilization is always marching forward to more advanced levels. Some things when lost, are gone for good, even if our modern smugness believes that arcane treasures or the spirit of an epoch can be retrieved by a Google search.

Bravo to Mr Kunstler for condemning NDAA. And not a word from the Mainsteam Media nor the loyal oppostion, Fox.

Here's a condemnation from a classical perspective: http://www.nowpublic.com/world/fein-obama-god

Where do you stand on the New World Order's attempt to coerce Uganda into accepting Homosexuality - which is against both Traditional and Christian Ugandan Culture?


FROM:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177835

Existentialism ?

I know, I understand, it would be like "giving up", like "declaring defeat", a scott free pure FREE RIDE, HANDOUT, a FREE LUNCH just doesn't click with our stone age mental computer program. But most of all, most people would think "Now What ?", they wouldn't have "Anything to Do" (as if they are actually doing much anyways in most jobs today), they have been programmed (since the stone ages, but actually during the stone ages they just did "what was necessary", much smarter than us forcing ourselves to do a lot of make believe effort that leads to nothing, go figure) to always "Do Something", to always have a "Goal" a "Target", etc. Well, guess what ? The era of work labor, targets and goals are over forever, it will never come back again, it is no longer in the cards, just suck it up and get used to it, this is the "New Normal". The Technological Economy eliminates way more (real) jobs than it creates, just say it, admit it, don't hide the facts anymore.

We should really "Give Up", that is exactly what we would should do, "Declare Defeat", that is the right thing to do, don't worry, it's ok, there is nothing wrong with that, you will be ok, it is not a sin, god won't punish you. And in fact the best thing to do is to park thousands of trillions of new people that will be born (because we will really need them all to build our thousands of trillions of skyscrapers, rockets and cadillacs) in front of TVs and let them watch TV for 24 hours a day for trillions of years. That is perfection achieved, an automatic life, all problems solved, you have achieved all, you can't get much better, it can never get much better than this. Of course all the environmentalist and greenies and alternative lifestyle thugs are against TV, they are still fighting that same battle since the 1950s, go figure, what c*cks! But TV is the solution not the problem.

You better get used to being bored, to not having anything to do anymore, to not having any goals anymore, to not achieving your "career", to not being equal to all the other turds anymore, to not thinking that you are a special little turd who "worked hard" to have more than Mrs Jones next door, who is a layabout, welfare queen, etc.

And yet, when real projects and real goals, real targets and real large scale efforts are proposed, in short REAL WORK FOR REAL ACHIEVEMENTS, everyone runs away, everyone criticizes them, everyone calls them socialism and bad and killing nature and Resources are Running Out and we can't do them, the crappy democratic process of everyone against everyone would block all the projects (that is why we would need an Iron Fist Communist Dictatorship) etc. But at the same time, they all chant and think that they will be "their own little bosses", they will work hard "to achieve their own little puny goals" against others, to compare themselves against others instead of taking on the real big dog which is nature and real large scale projects that really mean something and really are achieving.

Obama should declare:

"FROM NOW ON, WE WILL GIVE OUT FREE LUNCHES, FREE RIDES TO ALL, SCOTT FREE HANDOUTS, WE WILL GIVE OUT FREE SALARIES OF 800 DOLLARS A MONTH TO ALL, AND A CHEAP RENT OF 200 DOLLARS A MONTH FOR ALL, AND ALSO START HUGE LARGE SCALE PUBLIC PRIVATE PROJECTS LIKE HIGH SPEED TRAINS ALL ACROSS THE USA, ROCKETS TO MARS AND VENUS, A MAN ON MARS AND VENUS BY THE YEAR 2020, A COMPLETE TOTAL PUBLIC MASS TRANSPORTATION OF BUS SYSTEMS ALL ACROSS THE USA SINCE OUR ECONOMIC SYSTEM NOW HAS SUCH HUGE EXCESS CAPACITY THAT IT CAN EASILY ACHIEVE ALL OF THIS. THE FED WILL JUST PRINT ALL THE CASH WE NEED FOR THIS INSTEAD OF JUST HANDING IT OVER TO THE BANKS (AKA THE SAME OLD RICH INDIRECTLY OVER AND OVER AGAIN) "

In fact, Excess Capacity is really what this Technological Economy is all about: we have such huge economies of scale, so many millions of people idle worldwide, and so much free money that we could start hundreds of huge large scale projects and at the same time give out scott free handouts to hundreds of millions without any problem at all. Instead all of the excess capacity that can express itself (since the economic system must repress as much excess capacity from expressing itself as possible by keeping hundreds of millions of potential workers (so many young kids all across the planet) idle or else we would be saturated with goods and cash in banks, go figure) is simply converted into trillions of dollars that the same old few thousands of rich families worldwide hog up, not even wanting all that cash but simply because the system automatically is set up to make that excess capacity expressed in cash accumulate in the hands of the top 1 %.

And ironically, it is actually very hard for them to spend so much cash, trillions upon trillions of dollars: just think, how on earth can you really spend all that cash ? it is really insane! Once those families buy their new house and their Cadillac, well now what ? what else can they possibly spend it on ? another house and an Oldsmobile ninety eight, but then there is still way too much cash to know what to do with, so they just play global poker games with finance, stock markets, banks, speculation and all, and call it "Advanced Services", while any real large scale projects are considered bad, socialism and the welfare state.

There won't be any more real jobs in the future, unless you simply invent them: we could write down all the Internet web pages with paper and pencil (or in Europe on Paper and Pen), write all the contents of Computers on paper, millions of people writing things on paper, that would create a lot of work.

Of course, it is all wrong, I am a clown, I admit it: if even one millimeter of what I said would be applied it would all go haywire, the mental computer programs would crash in a jiffy, how I love to be wrong, to see all my large scale theoretical structures collapse in a jiffy, how it would reveal how wrong I was on everything by just trying to apply one bit, what a failure...

QUO VADIS, BABY ?


TOBOR AN 8 MAN

Vlad Krandz has got to be a bitter little fucktard if his only pride in life is the color of his skin. Why we can't ship shitheads like that to Idaho and put a wall around the whole place is mystery to me.

If Obama was actually some kind of Kenyan-anti-colonial manchurian candidate the first thing he'd do is toss all the white-supremest asshats into the back of a cattle truck and ship them to Gitmo. A few weeks of sensory deprivation and they'd admit to anything they were told to.

None of this namby-pamby Bush Administration waterboarding either. The full stuffed into a soundproof box in a dark-temperature controlled room brainwash. Several kidnappers have done this to victims and they turn into virtual zombie-slaves that can only recover after months of deprogramming.

Then off to the sugar fields of Florida to enjoy the benefits of a slave's life that they so often tout. Sunshine, exercise and all the sugar cane your rotting teeth can chew.

Well, shit in one hand and wish in the other......

Quit making sense; it's way out of line with the tone of this comment thread. There's an organization called WWOOF, World Wide Opportunity on Organic Farms. People PAY for the privilege of traveling to farms and working as a dirt farmer for free.

People PAY for the privilege of helping build Cob of Straw Bale houses. Not just free labor; people pay you to allow them to help. There are millionaires milking goats twice a day and pruning grapes; peasant work.

And these crazy bastards think that people don't want to work. The truth is that people have to be stopped from working by force. They would take over empty lots and garden them if the police wouldn't come and destroy their work.

We should just be honest instead of playing "make believe": instead of keeping on pretending we live in and acting in this comic book version of the economy where we make believe that "the economy generates jobs", there "will be jobs for all" and such huge BS, just admit that it doesn't work like that anymore, in fact it hasn't been working like that for decades, but we kept on extending and pretending that that was the "natural state of things" when all we were doing was making believe the jobs were there by creating make believe jobs, make believe new "innovations" (especially make believe competition by hire, fire, restructure, open and close factories and and all hogging up profits by all of this) just to keep on changing everything to not change anything at all, etc.

And calling it a "healthy economy": what a boatload of crap !

We must get out of this stone age mentality and start targeting the future, we must become honest and call a spade a spade, and stop making believe we still live in the 18th century. We could start by sending a Man to Mars by the year 2020 and a complete worldwide mass transportation BUS system with millions of high quality luxury BUSES having Rolls Royce suspension systems (the advances of technology can be used by all and appreciated by all)...


You are one of the few objective voices on CFN and, unless I am incorrect, the only person to declare this as the Second Dark Age. On your blog, you pose interesting unsolvable dilemmas: 1) If fracking then polluted water, if no fracking then no oil, 2) If we don't keep kicking the can down the road economically, is collapse a viable alternative for the majority who are stuck in the system, and 3) If we work on our debts, which group gets arbitrarily picked to be economically wrecked and homeless??

It takes moral courage to admit of insoluble dilemmas because the easy way out at historical extremes is to posit that there's a "blue sky" solution when BOTH "solutions" create ruinous consequences. I've never commented on your posts but they are absolutely unique and never gild anyone's lily.

E.


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177835


Interesting reply from:

http://kunstler.com/blog/2012/01/this-ripe-moment.html

"Quit making sense; it's way out of line with the tone of this comment thread. There's an organization called WWOOF, World Wide Opportunity on Organic Farms. People PAY for the privilege of traveling to farms and working as a dirt farmer for free.

People PAY for the privilege of helping build Cob of Straw Bale houses. Not just free labor; people pay you to allow them to help. There are millionaires milking goats twice a day and pruning grapes; peasant work.

And these crazy bastards think that people don't want to work. The truth is that people have to be stopped from working by force. They would take over empty lots and garden them if the police wouldn't come and destroy their work.
"

Yes, but I think even this is mostly psychological (actually most of these "economic problems" etc. are almost all psychological - cultural): if you decide to do it (a task, a job, an activity), then it is your own will power that is expressing itself against another real or imagined "contrasting will power", but if they (the boss or government or any someone else) tells you to do it then they are forcing their will power against yours and it becomes WORK, etc.

But even this can be somewhat overcome if the goal is large scale projects that serialize and accumulate the results of labor, working for the "common good", but in the last 20 or 30 years it has become fashionable for everyone to work against everyone else, to not create common goals and common wealth and large scale projects for the common good, therefore "be your own boss and start your own company" and become the next Bill Gates or the next freckled face punk who created facebook....


Yeah, there's no favoritism toward Israel. I mean, we all know that they are NOT a nuclear power in violation of the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty.

Sigh. Israel is the ONLY country in the world known by everybody from the taxi driver to Kim Jong Il's replacement to have deliverable nukes. The USA, which continues to play this game of being the world's last virtuecrat, nods whenever Israel lies ... to say nothing of our alliances with bedbugs like the House of Saud while claiming to be allies with the Libyan Rebels and their "just rights for self determination".

Not that there's any particularly virtuous country left. We're all in a mad resource grab and justifying the unconscionable with heavy philosophy while we're trying to out-pillage the Chinese.

E.

Not giving a shit is officially "in".


As the spinmeisters of the financial community work like hell to get the public to believe that lagging and coincident indicators are harbingers of the future, you can be sure that an amazing amount of sanctified looting is taking place in the country.

Of course, the Chinese Finance Minister's forecast of "grim" for the world economy of 2012 coupled with ECRI's worst readings since 2008 do not even come up for discussion on Bubblevision (CNBC) or their faux "competitors" Fox Biz and Bloomberg who trot out one idiot money manager after another with "buy" exhortations.

The Ides of THIS March will not be Caeser's bete noire. It will be ours. That's about when there will be full realization that Goldman Sachs' unemployment spike forecast wasn't a pun. Yes, even evil organizations mix a little truth in with their lies because it maintains just enough credibility to allow them to remain covertly devious.

E.

Vlad says:

"You need to study some Fascist Theory. Fascism is the Radical Center, the Third Position (think of the high angle of an equilateral triangle). By no means is Fascism just in the middle, a little bit of this and a little bit of that. And to say that is just conservatism is crazy. I mean obviously Capitalism is insufficient and equally obviously Communism is a sham, and a vicious one at that. Fascism rejects both completely in terms of their ideology or approach to life - thus the vertical height. The useful aspects of both it retains - thus its place equal distance from the other angles.

Hitler tried to join Unions but they insisted that he slander Germany which he refused to do. But he made clear that he despised the brutality of the Industrialists and Business Magnates."


I answer:


Vlad must have a lot of free time on his hands (just like millions of others (but not me, I am busy "working hard"), all a result of excess capacity), a lot of free time to waste on all of this theoretical BS. He is a slave to his mind always trying to justify, compare, etc. Hey, Vlad, why don't you build some thousands of trillions of skyscrapers and 1966 Oldsmobile Ninety Eights ? Or are you like Busty who doesn't obey his boss, since I am the boss of both of you and you disobey my commands, jackasses... (but at least Busty has a hot young chick for a girlfriend, you are a lost case).

What always fascinates me is how simple reality really is as compared to our never ending complex blocks of texts, theories, ideas, science, calculations etc. After all the thinking, the justifications, the theories, the ideological battles and all, then you just go outside and within a split second distraction get run over by a car and die. So cool! Like after all the high theory, when real people have to interact it all boils down to a simple fight, a simple conflicting will power story, a simple A wants the same thing that B wants, they fight, whoever wins takes the prize, or even simpler A wants C and B wants the opposite of C, just because, because Man is conflictual, contradictory structurally, almost as if A wants C, B will want the opposite of C just because, to have an excuse to fight, to distinguish himself compared to B, etc.

Vlad is probably a black who is just taking this website for a ride, or a white old man who is a queer and would like to have a black boyfriend or something like that...

Yeah, there's no favoritism toward Israel. I mean, we all know that they are NOT a nuclear power in violation of the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty.
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Israel can't be in violation of a treaty it did not sign. Not that signing a treaty really means anything, as these things are broken as soon as they become in the least bit inconvenient. Canada breaking the Kyoto treaty, being the latest example.

I've already answered that. These are all Vatican organizations.

It was "The Hollow Men" by TS Eliot.

This is pretty entertaining. You may be on to something. I was discussing this situation with LewisLucanBooks and postulated that Vlad might be black in one of two scenarios: [1] like in an early Dirty Harry movie, he could be a black nationalist in public, who in reality is actually a confidential informant or police snitch or else, [2] a light skinned black passing for white.

You don't meet many white men who are obsessed with being white unless they are either incarcerated or else living in a "changing" neighborhood and basically under siege [sp?]. So could Vlad be posting from prison?

On the other hand everyone needs a hobby, so what the hell? It gets creepy though when people start ranting about the Jews. Since I have a German surname and my first name is spelled with a "C" instead of a "K" and when younger I had black wavy hair many people would challenge me demanding to know whether or not I was Jewish. I was always taken aback by this although in a sense it could be a compliment, since of course Jews are more intelligent than all these stupid Anglo-Americans who waste their school years on stupid shit like sports and baton twirling. I am about half Celtic and half Anglo-Teutonic, typical for an American.

In terms of tribal conflict one observation I had for an Irish immigrant coworker once who was obsessed with the presumed shittiness of the British: first, Americans don't give a rat's ass about the British because WE BEAT THEM, then later RESCUED THEIR SORRY ASSES TWICE. So we got it out of our systems. Secondly, if I really wanted to upset Sean I would point out the obvious, that is that the Irish are British themselves, and that when they immigrated to the United States their papers were stamped "emigrated from the British Empire". Sean in fact came here with a British passport. This is why at Johnny's Barbershop we always referred to him as "the British Beautician" and not, "the Irish Barber". Just as the Irish are British the British are Low German. And so it goes. I'm sure that the space aliens are really impressed with us since in the words of Stanton Friedman the chief business of the inhabitants of this planet is tribal warfare. How did I get off on this tangent when I'm not even stoned yet?

I'm sure that the space aliens are really impressed with us since in the words of Stanton Friedman the chief business of the inhabitants of this planet is tribal warfare.
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Without our tribe we'd be adrift in a sea of emptiness much like Asoka is. I'll take my primitive tribalism over the lonely existence that is Asoka, any day.

But A against B is part of a more general structure of the Universe and namely contrasting will powers, or contrasting elements that are independent from each other. Of course, we come back to the same infinite recursion problems of how are the contrasting - independent entities (or will powers) delimited, where does one start and the other end, are they always subtly connected, are they completely disjoint, are they contrasting but also collaborating to create stability ? but a pure will power particle must have some independent parts, some parts that do not depend on its will power, as in the will power must be a function of some invariants since if all was will power, each will power would have vanishingly small power, and the particle would disintegrate amongst an infinite sea of vanishingly small contrasting will powers. But are will powers simply a proxy for independent parts, for colliding particles and the existence of the will powers become real and effective only the moment the collision occurs and then disappears again ? Is existence only interaction ? Point like instantaneous interactions that come and go, that exist only for a fleeting, vanishingly small moment (probably closer to zero time and zero space, no space and time at all, hence a pure Mathematical Entity, a Pure Information Relationship) ?

But a new Law of Physics may declare that only so much Matter may be delimited as Will Power, may impose only a very limited number of will power particles in the universe, hence this is the explanation of why we are mostly alone in the universe, the Fermi Paradox as understood under the light of the potential catastrophic disintegration of the universe by too many will power particles contrasting each other and deciding to not create any possible stable entity. Imagine a universe having only will power particles, completely saturated with such pure Free Willonium, a monolithic block of Pure Free Willonium. Imagine an extension of your own will power that could control even the design of all your body, the neural circuits of its own mind, it could control and design a new Man Brain for itself and maybe even control the design of its atoms, the Laws of Physics, even the design of its own "will power structure", creating an infinite number of new analogous structures, or ever different, ever more wild, imagine insanity achieved, all the external reality, the streets, the planets, all and all dependent on your will power (or more correctly will powers).

How many different contrasting will powers would you be made up of ? and how could you even be stable in any possible way, always "changing your mind", "unresolved internal conflicts", imagine the limit of the numbers of will powers and the powers that they could have tending towards infinity. Very interesting, very frightening, very cool. And absurd, as is all when you start to think about it a little bit deeper...

By the way Vlad, I am Black, A Nigger, have a nice day...

Holy Shit, AntiSoak, you are back ... with a vengeance!!!

And you've done your homework.

Obama's chief of staff, Bill Daley, has quit. Right now there are white house emissaries visiting Wall Street boardrooms, looking for a new chief of staff.

--WSP7

Hey Metusaleh, speaking of space aliens, check out the film 'Aliens and Cowboys', with Daniel Craig and Harrison Ford. Its Great!!!

--WSP7

Hey Asoka we will see how superior Persian Culture is once Cruise Missiles begin raining down on it.

--WSP7


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177835


[quote="Kriswest"]Oh i have read your posts and what i see is you wishing to enslave people on a very nasty level. You want big brother, just like they have in North Korea. you are kidding yourself if you think it won't happen. At the borders of north Korea the guards face inwards not outwards. this is what you propose , this is what you are asking for in the long run. When the government doles out and controls as you wish it to, then it gains total control. Power corrupts , absolute power corrupts absolutely. socialism is needed but on a very small scale, other wise it removes human drive ingenuity. If you have the drive and the intelligence you can do anything you desire. Do what you propose and you wear Gov't issued clothes live in a government issued home with government issued furniture, eating govt issued food and doing whatever the govt' tells you to do. And if your kid or you complain your gov't will charge your family the price of a bullet to kill you before you cause a rebellion. If this is such an ideal way to live then why are the guards in North korea worried about people leving? why do they kill those that try to leave the country? this is the socialism you propose in the long run. Sounds good on paper but reality sucks.[/quote]


I like the way you respond: what are you stupid or what ? are you taking me for a ride or what ? (probably, I deserve it as I have been taking myself and all these blogs forums for a ride like forever).

You don't address anything of what I say, you just say I want a North Korean type of country, or that anything I say directly implies that a country becomes like North Korea. Cool. A very easy way to respond, don't think about it, don't debate it, just reply with a standard decades old cliche, anything that is "common good" or socialized, any large scale common project, any honesty in admitting that the technological economy kills jobs structurally means Stalin styled communism.

But that is ok, that is fine, in all debates, everyone replies in non coherent ways, it is all ok, if I say A, you will say B, no one can back up anything, it is all opinions, beliefs, all just a choice, just a waste of time.

Anyways, for the record, I am for a mixed economy, I always say public - private, if someone can make it on his own so much the better, if you can invent a new startup so much the better, all kinds of formulas can be used in an open, free economy, no problem with that. Experiment and use all kinds of economic solutions and structures, as long as they work.

I am saying simply that the real large scale trends of this Technological Economy imply some very different solutions because it generates huge free wealth and excess capacity, hence we can afford free salaries and cheap rents for all. And also as large a private sector economy as can be developed, in fact, with my solution, the private sector and startup economy and be your own boss economy would have a huge boom like no other time in history exactly because so many large scale projects would generate so many new private services and jobs and manufacturing, etc.

My solution is actually a way to save Capitalism especially from itself, my solution is actually the most pro capitalist solution you can possibly find, the most pro private economy you can find (in fact the greens and environmentalist and resource scarcity doomsters are the real anti capitalist, anti consumerist, anti private economy, but not anti rich since their ideology just concentrates ever more wealth in the hands of the already rich. And in fact I can't stand their (greens and doomsters) guts, hate them with all of your guts, we need to use nature as a tool, it is not a religion). But what we have today is an old fashioned stone age mentality that doesn't want to distribute the cash generated automatically into large scale projects (the only ones really capable of creating real jobs) but simply let the same old few thousands of rich families that have been hogging up all the cash for decades, keep on hogging up the cash while hundreds of millions of people worldwide remain idle, unemployed and without any goal.

"Obama's chief of staff, Bill Daley, has quit. Right now there are white house emissaries visiting Wall Street boardrooms, looking for a new chief of staff."
--WSP7

LOL They're probably doing exactly that.
But why go to such trouble? Just tape a list of Goldman Sachs honchos up on the wall and throw a dart. 'Long as they can talk pretty good, have the sovereignty of G.S. uppermost in their mind, and are reasonably civil, why get too picky?

Dat was fer dat.... ;o)

"If we understand the mechanism and motives of the group mind, is it not possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without their knowing about it?"-- Edward L. Bernays

I'd say that's quite possible, Eddie, quite possible. Now let's get to Vegas and see what kinda odds they're giving on the future of humankind, hmmm?

Hamilton wanted America to create a Central Bank just like the Bank of England - which had already been infiltrated by one of Rothschild's sons. Luckily Jefferson and Adams saw the danger. These are well known facts.
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Well known facts where? I read dozens of books annually on history and had an undergrad degree in History and I've never seen any mention of the founding fathers talking about the "Rothchild's".

Well known in the un-reality zone that is your mind apparently.

Bloomberg/Petraeus versus Obama/Clinton, who do you see winning?
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what difference does it make?

Good point to bring up. Back in the mid 70's there was an author named Von Daniken(Chariots of the Gods) who wrote about "extraterrestial" sites in South America. While interesting, some were proven to have actually been at sea level at one time. Plates shift every so often. One good nudge and Japan could become the next Atlantis. So could New York or anywhere else for that fact. This planet is an live,everchanging entity. It seems that almost everytime there is some excravation for a new building over in Israel or the ME, the remains of some ancient civilazation is uncovered. And the deeper they dig the more they find.

Climate change is real fore sure. It is a naturaly reoccuring geological event ! If any of you would take the time to study a little Earth Science or Geology at the high school level you can get your heads around the coming changes. So Fuck the blame game ! We should sart to make plans accordingly. If the ice caps are going to melt and raise the sea levels 50 feet,then break out the topographical maps and start making plans to move cities and their corrosponding inferstructure to higher ground starting now. There's a lot of stuff on low coastal plains that won't work under water...like nuke's and oil refineries. Some stratgic planing would surely remove the possibility of environmental disasters down the road if and when the water raises. And on another warm&fuzzy bright note. Think of all the new Real Estate op's for new beachfront property development at the 60 foot mark !

Also, back in the mid 70's when I was in college,the bet then was that we were on the cusp of a New Ice Age. It was lead by some of the same folks that are now crying Global Warming ! This was reinforced by the brutaly cold winters starting around '75 and running up to around 1980. Speeches were given,grant money was passed around like candy and bucu books were printed and sold. By their accounts, by this point in time we would be under the ice cap again here in Michigan and they could build a ski lift down at Disney-Orlando. Might still happen but the timeline seems a little off. However in matters of preperation for change, I think we should at least start.

And again, we need to stop the blame / guilt bullshit and start making plans for the mega move to the 60 foot mark !


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/posting.php?mode=reply&f=4&t=177834

On parallel universes: I don't think that there can be an identical you at a certain distance (meaning after a certain number of combinations cycle through), because the exact specific combination creating you is distinct, unrepeatable, because it needs an infinite precision to describe, the complete description is infinitely long so to say, and I think that even changing one bit will make that you a radically different you no matter what. Hence the combinational game doesn't really work in reality.

Aside from the fact that there may be an infinite number of universes that are all stuck in only a few combinations (always however needing an infinite number of bits to describe, so the combinational cycle game will never work no matter what), that don't express all the possible combinations....

Of course infinity is used just as a proxy to mean something else really, some much deeper limitation, something that we can't conceive of, it is not only a question of large numbers (although that is a gross approximation) and also if there is an exact replica of you, then it is you, there is no need to count them as two distinct entities, they are counted as one, even if there are trillions of exact replicas, since a replica would be different even if it were at a slightly different distance form another replica...


TOBOR ATE MAN

Probably more like Dorito's with a twist of lime !

'Hey Asoka we will see how superior Persian Culture is once Cruise Missiles begin raining down on it."

--WSP7

And hey, we will see how superior the US military is once Iranian cruise missiles start hitting them.

And we will see how superior Europe is once Iranian cruise missiles take out all the oil distribution, storage & shipping terminals in the Persian Gulf, and they can't get no more oil for several years, except from Russia, who will make them bend over the barrel for it.

Ah, your militaristic fantasies continue to be boring.
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The truth seems insane to you because you've been cocooned by a web of lies. You've been so isolated from the truth by government propaganda and lies, that when you actually hear the truth it sounds insane.

I assure that I'm saying about Hitler and Stalin is true. If you care for the truth, you will go and research this for yourself. One say you will thank me for this.
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I could spend a lot of time deconstructing this for you, in terms of why you would believe your "research" (which no doubt is on some anti-catholic website), or how you can distinquish between "propaganda" and what you currently believe.....or how "the government" got control of the publishing industry in virtually every country in the world..... but why bother?

Anyone who thinks that Stalin and Hitler were on the same page hasn't the slightest idea what happened between 1939 and 1945, and would only regard it as "propaganda" if it disagreed with his crazy notions anyway....so carry on looney boy.


That was from:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177834


On parallel universes: I don't think that there can be an identical you at a certain distance (meaning after a certain number of combinations cycle through), because the exact specific combination creating you is distinct, unrepeatable, because it needs an infinite precision to describe, the complete description is infinitely long so to say, and I think that even changing one bit will make that you a radically different you no matter what. Hence the combinational game doesn't really work in reality.

Aside from the fact that there may be an infinite number of universes that are all stuck in only a few combinations (always however needing an infinite number of bits to describe, so the combinational cycle game will never work no matter what), that don't express all the possible combinations....

Of course infinity is used just as a proxy to mean something else really, some much deeper limitation, something that we can't conceive of, it is not only a question of large numbers (although that is a gross approximation) and also if there is an exact replica of you, then it is you, there is no need to count them as two distinct entities, they are counted as one, even if there are trillions of exact replicas, since a replica would be different even if it were at a slightly different distance form another replica...

TOBOR ATE MAN

Is this the sword of Damocles that hangs over the "white shoe boys" and their debt-denominated con jobs?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30190.htm

(Just one reason things could get ugly.)

Just follow the news. Who is it that you ALWAYS hear about ALL the time? Who is it that NEVER here about?

Coincidence? I think not.

Brilliant. That's some absolutely stupendous trollery, right there. "Notice how you NEVER hear how the Vatican is responsible for fluoridation? See, that PROVES what evil geniuses they are! Wake up, sheeple!" The classics never get old. *rolleyes*

"You don't meet many white men who are obsessed with being white unless they are either incarcerated or else living in a "changing" neighborhood and basically under siege [sp?]. So could Vlad be posting from prison?"

I have always kinda felt that this might be true, plus, his hatred of blacks could be due to having been raped while in prison.
Altho, he might also be out on parole and living in an old trailer in some park in the mid-west somewhere. Or in a cheap, low rent residential hotel in the seedier part of some mid-western city, such as St. Louis.
He seems well read, so I have also pictured Vlad as middle aged, probably with dark hair & a beard. He seems to hit the nite-shift here alot, so if he works, he works at night, probably as a security guard at a mall, and gets home after midnight to start posting here. Knowing the employment situation in the US right now, perhaps he is working two min-wage jobs, one in the afternoon, one at nite.

He holds lots of bitter resentment bottled up inside, he may at some point go to the mall with a gun and just start shooting, with his targets being persons of color.

Sad, sad, little man.
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"It isn't, so no change will be forthcoming. False hope is a waste of energy. I can understand your passion on this point, but I don't see it as ultimately fruitful. Other "factors" of the Great Crumbling will intervene, IMHO."
-ozone, concerning immigration reduction-

O3, this gets us to the question of "Timeline to Collapse," which you and I have addressed before.
As I've agreed, if your "Great Crumbling" occurs within some reasonable number of years - then yeah, this years immigrants are not a particular problem, because one year's numbers are so small, relative to the total numbers.

But, if the "Great Crumbling," is already occurring (it is, IMO), but continues to Crumble at today's slow rate for the next two decades, or three decades, or longer.

That brings us to a United States population of 450,000,000+ - on a demolished landmass that will support far fewer than 200,000,000.

Google "topsoil depletion" There's some solid data that "peak topsoil" is going to become a problem before peak fossil fuels.

In this regard, BustinJ is 100% correct. The US has already passed through a population threshold - that makes the huge majority of us dependent on city living and factory foods. We can't go "back to the land," because we'll kill the land if we do.

Someday, there are going to be a lot of people in the former US of A - who will be wishing that they had stayed home, and worked for a better day where they were already living.

I'm just being proactive with the warnings.

BTW Vlad,
Don't try to back in to reality by avoiding your original statement which was:

"The Founders were very afraid of the Banking Conpiracy of Rothschild coming to America"

Where is your evidence for the founding fathers fearing the Rothchilds? After that you can try to justify your statement regarding the "infiltration" of the BOE by the Rothchilds....but one hate filled, fantasy laced, anti-semitic lie at a time please.

Or are the long forgoten spawn of Hiram Abiff ?

Again the anti-White rhetoric of the Left. Elderly Whites are suffering. And Blacks and Latinos should be in jail more since the commit more crimes. Sheesh, will you get a clue?

Same old racism from Vlad. Your heart bleeds for the suffering, provided they're white. If they're non-white, on the other hand, the suffering deserve their fate.

Under Jim Crow, when white racists held the levers of power, they could easily draft laws that framed black lifeways as crimes by definition, then scream self-righteously about black criminality. More recently, when it was observed that some black people had a taste for cocaine in rock form, versus their white counterparts who preferred powder cocaine, guess whose prison sentences were measured in decades as opposed to years, months or probation? There's nothing like a racist for stacking the deck against others while ranting that the object of their hate wants special treatment.

No disagreement from me.
Yep, it's all about the timeline. The crises seem to be piling on faster and faster. (I'm sure you've noticed this, and I believe it to be "awakening" to these predicaments rather than an expression of "panic".) I believe the speed of collapse will be exponential as the real weight of troubles are verified and laid atop one another. I think you feel it will be more gradual.

The only thing about placing my bets on "quicker"?
Ah, it's the higher price (in rubles) I pay for nuts and bolts. Get your timing right, and you could pick up some actual things of value for very few rubles in the deflationary period.

Something does not compute.

Yes, and whatever it is is located inside Metuselah's skull. Met's theories are to political analysis what ice cream, wrapped in bacon, with a side of surströmming are to cuisine.

BTW, for an example of just how fast a "problem" can accelerate (by action and reaction), simply refer to that ICH article I linked to and look at the timeline. Didn't take long to get to gunboat diplomacy did it?

Foreign Conspiracy

Foreign Conspiracy, published in 1835 by Professor Samuel Morse (inventor of the telegraph and Morse Code), explores the religious and political hi-jacking of the U.S. Republic, who is behind it, how they operate and what remedy can be taken to thwart their plans for installing a Vatican backed dictatorship in North America.

Vatican backed dictatorship in North America -- sound familiar? Vatican backed dictatorship in Europe -- does that sound familiar?

- http://goo.gl/Xy3pr

Also see:
The Transformation of the Republic by C. T. Wilcox.

How the Jesuits and Vatican Murdered Lincoln, Instigated the Civil War, and Transformed American History

Howdy Bustin, Per some of your comments about the Amish: "The Ohio Amish are about out of cousins to inbreed with and the Kingdom of Lichtenstein doesn't export sectarian exiles."

I happen to have a number of Amish neighbors from the Ohio clique living on a farm cheek by jowl to mine. I have been thinking about replying to the CFNers who seriously believe the Amish have a secure grasp on the "good" life for some time. Here a a few of my observations:

1. The Ohio Amish moving into northern NY do so because NY has a hands off approach to them; thereby, allowing them to live the way they want. I would compare the Ohio Amish to the Ultra Orthodox Jewish with reference to their extremisms of belief.

2. Amish are extremely prejudicial toward blacks.

3. Amish children and women are for all intents and purposes indentured servants. Children 3-4 years old weeding gardens, with and without their mothers, a very common sight.

4. Amish children are brainwashed and/or psychologically manipulated to preclude their having any freedom of thought particularly with respect to their religious beliefs which are the basis for their 1800's period life style.

5. Amish are as hypocritical as any other group of humans. The Ohio clique absolutely no electricity; however, acceptable in their milk houses as long as the milk buyer hooks it up, is one of many exceptions. Most of the men smoke pipes; I assume this is to keep them healthy. :-)

6. I have attempted to engage one of the more enlightened of my neighbors in a discussion of their religious beliefs, to no avail.

7. They shun most things modern yet eat at McD's, buy canned and plastic wrapped foods in the local grocery's yet make their own clothing.

8. They use candles, no running water, out houses, wood stoves (me too), diesel powered saw mills and gasoline powered wood working tools for their cabinet and furniture making enterprises.

9. Abe (my neighbor) readily admits that if TSHTF the Amish will not be any better off than the English (their term for us) because we are their largest customer base and produce most of the manufactured materials they need to eek out a living.

I'll sign off for now as I could go on and on and on concerning the Amish and the folklore that surrounds them that my observations lead me to opine is Bullshit.

SNAFU

This will become a very popular cuisine. The truth always is.

Dear Wagelaborer,

You wrote:

"Clearly, you know nothing about the Green Party, or its position on money creation."

and

"I suggest that you check out the website, note that the Green Party has been on this issue for years, and refrain from slandering us anymore."

I DID check out the Green Party a long time ago, looking for a political group that reflected my desire to save America from the corporate banksters, and I found your party lacking, sad to say. Oh yes, they do have a "platform" on the need for monetary reform - WAY down at the bottom at Number 2, Subsection I, Section 4. Yes...apparently it's a HUGE topic of conversation for the Greens...

I SUGGEST YOU take a look at yourself before attacking other Americans who have done their homework on the Green Party and found it lacking, when it comes to opposing the banksters with the vim and vigor required to actually make a meaningful change in this country.

Once the Green Party puts the issue of creating our own money via the government and not the for-profit banks FRONT and CENTER then they might stand a snowball's chance of getting elected, because that would truly be standing up for the People. And I encourage you to do so! Get your leaders making every speech about this most important topic. Stage your rallies around giving the money power back to the People. Put up banners and posters. Send out flyers. Knock on doors and hold town hall meetings. For God's sake - DO SOMETHING other than stick a small plank on an obscure portion of the website and call it good!!!

The Foundation Party of America makes the issue of money creation and the will of the People a CENTRAL POSITION, and not just some passing reference amongst all the other myriad lists of demands. Money and Capital are integral to the functioning of a society and should therefore be key to the government's protection of society. The Foundation Party acknowledges this fact and fights every day to give the power back to the People.

I stand by what I said before, the Green Party just does not get it. Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but there are a lot of people out there getting more than their feelings hurt right now...

Best regards,
Torin
The Rocky Mountain Pilgrim

You got that right, lbendet!

When people tell me they fear that elections will be cancelled, I scoff.

The elections are the biggest circus going, to keep us pacified.

We've already been through months of it, and still have 10 months to go.

They would never stop the pretense of voting. Sure, half the population no longer participates, seeing very clearly how worthless it is, but the other half falls for it everytime.

A great post and an unyielding provocation for the new year. It truly is time for folks to open their eyes to the reality of the surrounding sham. The big question, hnowever, still remains. I bring this up over and over and the discussion of it remains sparse....Who are the leaders that will lead us out of this mess? Where are they? How are they planning a path out of this corrupting miasma? Most people still believe that politicians are leaders......they may be, but not necesarrily. Clearly the politicians of today are NOT. Politicians have become power brokers interested in their own power base and their own personal greed. Yet are diurnal lives are full of politics and not leadership.....or, as I would call it....spiritics....those who lead by spirit and conviciton of spirit. Leadership is about problem solving....and that's where we're at....a point at which we need to solve our problems. Who will lead that? Where is Spartacus or Cincinnatus or Jean D'Arc when we need them????

Well, Edward Bernays was already using it.

And George W. Bush also was told that repeating things until people "understood them" was his job.

I had a teacher who always said "Repetition is the key to learning".

I think our ruling overlords have learned the lesson well.

They repeat absurdities until they don't seem absurd anymore, and those who point out that they are absurd are ridiculed by the others. Amazing.

Where do you stand on the New World Order's attempt to coerce Uganda into accepting Homosexuality - which is against both Traditional and Christian Ugandan Culture?

So much the worse for both Traditional and Christian Ugandan Culture, then. Innocent Ugandans are being threatened with taxpayer-funded homicide for private, consensual behaviour that is their own business and no one else's. That kind of thing could almost make one grateful for a candidate who is only as bad as Rick Santorum.

According to the management at my place of employment, the federal government will withhold 2% of all Medicare funds starting next year until October, at which point only those hospitals in the top 20% of the country will receive the funds.

This is a lot like No Child Left Behind.

Every year hospitals will be judged, not just on their ability to provide good care, (by checking mortality rates post surgery, for instance), but also on their Press Ganey scores, which is surveys that a small minority of patients turn in.

So every year, less and less money will go to hospitals (this is on top of the money just taken from Medicare and used to give to private insurance companies, to "subsidize" poor people), and, inevitably, hospitals will close. Most hospitals survive with Medicare and Medicaid funds.

So, time is life, sometimes. Time is muscle. The Golden Hour. We have a lot of sayings about that. A long distance to the closest hospital can mean death for some people.

And increased co-payments make medicine impossible to buy for some people. And some people depend on medicine to keep them alive. As I said, if they die, it's because they were sick, so it won't seem that strange. It's just that they could have been kept alive.

It was on a busride with a bunch of Europeans that I realized that I preferred Americans.

I can't help it, I suppose. But I just like the American way of being friendly and cracking jokes and the rest of it.

Poetry is a different part of culture, you're right. But I like American music and American movies and American books.

I don't have a passport. I'm pretty typical American, except for my left wing views.

On point # 1. Maybe they could swing thru Brooklyn and boost the gene pool among the Ortodox ?

On point # 7, here in Michigan they will gladly come over and use your phone and sneak a peek at the TV if you let them in.

And on the missed point #10. Have you ever seen any Amish women that were beautiful ? Most of what I've seen out in Hillsdale County, MI. are very plain looking. Must be the inbreding.

One more observation is that their bathing habits are about the same as the Orthodox. I'll always remember riding on the subway in the summer and having to stand next to one or more of the Orthodox men. Nasty group of people ! Especially during a hot humid NYC summer. Please don't be offended Jim. I'll bet you bathe.

Rhino,

It depends upon who controls Washington as to whether the Northeast or the South secedes first, though I'd lay money on it being the South as well. Also, don't rule out El Norte as being the catalyst. (George Friedman at Stratfor actually puts this as a very high probability event, albeit towards the end of the 21st century). However, once it happens, it will also significantly up the possibility that it will happen throughout the country. Countries can take decades to assemble, but can disintegrate in weeks. I also think this will be the case here. Such a breakup may occur within the next ten years, or the next fifty, but when it comes, it will be swift.

It's also worth noting that had Fort Sumter not happened, it was very likely that Lincoln would have let the South secede. Historical documents from that period indicated that in 1860, sentiment was high on all sides that the North and South were just not destined to work as a single country, and many on the North were just as happy to see the South go as people in the South were. Yet when an unauthorized group of "partisans" in the South attacked Ft. Sumter, this was seen as a deliberate provocation, and attitudes changed overnight.

You know, I thought that asoka's link to John McCain was pretty chilling, but the sheer blustering immorality of Marlin's boast creeps me out beyond belief.

I hereby take back the nice things I said about Americans.

Dee, what do you think would happen should the Iranians shoot first ? My bet is that we would teach them and the world a serious lession in Nuclear diplomacy. As one of those Trident BMS's out there in the Indian Ocean unleashes a few MIRV'd Tridents.

There was a joke back in '79 that went like this: Q) What do you call a sheet of glass that glows in the dark ?

A) Iran if they kill the hostages !

And the song remains the same. Their leadership knows full well what will happen. And I'll bet they're holding their breath everytime our carrier battle group cruises by. The biggest fear is not their leadership giving the order,but an overzealous grunt taking it upon himself to smoke the great satan while they're so close.

I surely hope and pray that we never have to deal with such a scenerio.

You're right, the Green Party does not share your obsession with money as the main problem with our society.

We're more worried about the destruction of our ecosystem, the ongoing wars, fossil fuel use, agribusiness, the prison-industrial complex, the attack on civil liberties, and the like.

The money supply is just one part.

I'll tell you what. You just go right ahead with your one idea, and spread it around. You're right, more people need to know about it.

But we're not a one platform party.

What voices will resolve out of the phenomenal noise of gadget America, with its deafening tweets, incessant advertising, instant messaging, idiotic robo-calling, and ever-present flat-screen assault on the senses?

Well, as a matter of public record - and on a national forum at that - Ron Paul speaks truthfully on many of the matters I believe to be important. Although I can not defend all of his lunatic-like positions - he is the only candidate that owns up to the totality of the "rigged system" that is being forced down the throats of most Americans.

In as much that no honest politician has a chance to win high office- I prefer my vote to mark my support for a candidate that at least speaks truthfully some of the time.

Recent history indicates that the country would be in much better straits had Congress been impeded by a strong-minded lunatic-racist rather than the conniving, lying double-crossing bastards we've had for the the last 20 or more years.

So yes Jim, no matter how futile, how lunatic, there are voices being heard.......

Hey Asoka we will see how superior Persian Culture is once Cruise Missiles begin raining down on it.

"Ha ha, ancient Persian culture! Your awesome intellects are no match for our puny weapons!" I mean, no love lost for the mullahs, but sheesh.

Asoka what fantasies? I'm waiting for the Iranian Navy to challenge the 5th fleet. How long will it last? Maybe about 15 minutes.

Anyway, Asoka, Amidinijad is in Venezuela, a guest of Chavez. These are two pols you can really get behind, no pun intended.

Did you get an invite?

--WSP7

Nuclear bombs are not "diplomacy". They are weapons of mass destruction. For you to joke about bombing Iran with nuclear bombs makes you look bad. And don't forget that the stated reason for the threats is that Iran may someday have such a weapon. That's the propaganda we are hearing.

I suggest that you read Ozone's link, and put an end to your nationalistic bluster.

It's not about you or your country, Grey. The ruling overlords are not that into you.

It's about money and oil.

Chilling article, ozone.

He left out the part about Ghaddafi trying to sell Libyan oil in gold dinars, however.

The response was swift, and this time France was involved, not like when Saddam tried to sell Iraq's oil in euros.

Hmmm. Euros vs dinars. I wonder why France joined in this time?

What me worry - go shopping folks -or the terrorists will follow you home and rape your daughters and sodomize you baby sons....

Film at eleven.

You're only making yourself look more disgusting.

Celebrating mass murder because the murderers are flying your flag is sociopathic.

This isn't a football game.

Vlad,

Quite possibly, regarding the Chinese I'd be more inclined to suspect long term assimilation rather than direct invasion. In my novel, I assumed that China may in fact have helped support a Cascadian uprising seeing it as a way to get a more solid footing in North America (Richmond, British Columbia, is the largest modern Chinatown in North America, and English is very nearly a second language there compare to Mandarin).

I also tend to concur that you'll see a migration of the more conservative white population into the Western Alliance. Cascadia is a lot like Chile, even today - a long, thin coastal country that runs along the western edge of the Cascades. On the other side of the Cascades, the population is decidedly more conservative, and far more like that of Denver or Salt Lake City than like that of Seattle or San Francisco. Eastern and Western Washington, for instance, are culturally, environmentally, and historically two very different people, and there's a lot of friction between the two going back since the region's initial occupation in the mid 1860s.

Indeed, one of the big effects of such balkanization will be the creation of more homogeneous nations as people immigrate/emigrate to find cultures closer to their own values. I'd say there's a real possibility that you might see the emergence of a buffer state emerging just north of the Appalachian Mountains, for instance, that would be largely populated by African Americans fleeing from the Deep South Apartheid (what I call Ubuntu in my novel, which is the Swahili word for Community). Miami would become the new hub of an island nation that Caribbean that would subsume Cuba, Puerto Rico, Jamaica, Haiti and the Dominican Republic with an ethnic mix of blacks and non-Mexican Hispanics, and so forth.

The possibility that violent ethnic cleansing will occur is also very real, as is the idea that the new nation-states, now locked in a tug-of-war for previously common resources, will become belligerent towards other regions. Take a look at the conflicts that sprang up in the 1990s as the Warsaw Pact disintegrated. Americans are not immune to this.

This will become a very popular cuisine. The truth always is.

Fine. Enjoy your rotting fish.

An old idea but a good one. I first read about it in Thomas Chittum's "Civil War Two". He thinks that the Blacks will take the Deep South with Atlanta as a Capital. But can they keep it? Though Blacks have been moving back for decades the Mexicans are now coming too - following the Blacks whom they have ethnically cleansed from Southern California. There's alread a low level war, one which the Blacks are losing. I'd see a chance for a White Appalachian State perhaps - with the old South as an inspiration. Over time they would probably make gains against the Blacks. But the Mexicans? Sad to say, the Mexican People are now more vigorous and organized than any in North America. Maybe if we stopped buying their drugs we'd have a chance....

New Jerusalem will stretch from Wasington DC up to Maine. It will seem to be Old New England, but actually be run by the you know whos. The fools on this site think race is nothing; in geopolitics it far closer to being everything.

Another book you might like is "The Nine Nations of North America". Heard it's good but I've never gottena around to it.

So you don't think the Founders were afraid of the English Banking Conspiracy or the French Illuminati? You are very ignorant. You may know alot about History as it is written by the Court Historians but not the inner causes.

For example, do you know about the Morgenthau Plan to genocide the German People after WW2? No aid was to be given, rather the Germans were going to be forced to become "an Agricultural People". One Senator when after the son of a bitch on the Senate Floor and called it genocide. FDR and Bernard Baruch dropped it and told Henry, "we've got to give them something". Morgenthau was bitter: he knew that FDR and Baruch has used him to float the idea and then left him hanging when it popped.

I can feel sorry for others - once mine are taken care of. Communists do the opposite, care about everyone else first. Now which is more natural? Go on, you can do it. But will you be too proud to admit you were wrong?

The fools on this site think race is nothing; in geopolitics it far closer to being everything.

Vlad, I for one aspire to the dignity of being classed a fool by the likes of you. For the record, though, race is not nothing; clearly racial divisions (NB: *not* the same as putative racial differences) are a serious issue -- one that needs to be overcome, not embraced or exploited. That is all.

I can feel sorry for others - once mine are taken care of. Communists do the opposite, care about everyone else first. Now which is more natural? Go on, you can do it. But will you be too proud to admit you were wrong?

Your philosophy, rigorously applied, was what created such charmingly civilized societies as tribal Pakistan, present-day Iraq, and northern Ireland during the Troubles. Not self before others, not others before self; putting no one first, but creating and sustaining institutions that put all on an equal footing, and enable all to flourish; that's my philosophy.

Dixville Notch, New Hampshire Election Results

3 ... Barack Hussein Obama

2 ... Mitt Romney

2 ... Jon Huntsman

1 ... Newt Gingrich

1 ... Ron Paul

Interesting that the two most liberal Republican candidates got the highest vote counts, after Obama, who is also liberal. Center-left votes won.

To add to my point: I don't care if sectarian chauvinism is more 'natural' than other points of view. The idea that what comes naturally is always for the best (aka the naturalistic fallacy) is pernicious, romantic nonsense. Crimes like murder and rape are routinely motivated by such natural drives as revenge, lust and suspicion/hatred of the unfamiliar. You can take what you consider natural and stuff it up the hole in your culture.

"there are voices being heard"....but leadership still not evident. I think a lot of misguided people are hearing voices in their heads these days!

"Dee, what do you think would happen should the Iranians shoot first ? My bet is that we would teach them and the world a serious lession in Nuclear diplomacy. As one of those Trident BMS's out there in the Indian Ocean unleashes a few MIRV'd Tridents."

I seriously do not think that the Iranians, no matter how they are portrayed in the MSM, would deliberately fire or attack first. They are not stupid, and the Iranians I have met state the same.

However, they are being goaded, pushed into a corner, teased, whatever you want to call it into responding to some perceived threat, whereupon the US & nato will use such as as an excuse to attack them. The US is pushing it as close to the edge as they can, just hoping some nervous Iranian Revolutionary Guard shoots at them so they can 'retaliate', and there is no doubt that if say an Iranian shoots at a US plane that just happens to stray over thier airspace, it will be blown out of proportion into an attack by them first, even tho the US is 'fishing' for an excuse to attack first.

Sadly, I feel that even if the Iranians show such remarkable restraint as they have up to now, the US may just manufacture some "Tonkin Gulf" incident to start a war. But even the Joint Chiefs have stated that things could get out of hand very fast, and that Iran should not be underestimated.
They have thousands of missiles now that can do serious harm to the oil infrastructure in the Gulf, damage that will take YEARS to repair.
How much oil does the US have in the so-called Strategic reserve? Oh, just a few months at the most, WITH tight rationing.

So, I don't think that Iran will ever attack the US or Israel first, no matter how much the US or isreal lies about it. But I do feel that they are being pushed into a corner where they might feel they have to launch first or lose.

But this is all insanity anyway. Which is why I got out of the US. Just couldn't take the insanity anymore.

You have alot of cheek to say that after decades of persecuting Whites in the name of equality. And the endless down playing of Black murder and rape. And then, and then extending these special privledges which were intended (publicly!) only for Blacks because of slavery, to Hispanics and all kinds of colored immigrants. Funny kind of equality Mother Hubbard. But you don't care - they're just Whites. You're special, a good one, all that payback is for OTHER Whites.

Our demoliton and Black enhancement is the rocket fuel which will propel you and your's to the Heaven of Virtue that you aspire too. In the end, it's all about You. Even the Blacks are just there as compassion objects. You really don't expect much from them, do you? You don't believe in Equality: you are superior that's why you can help them. It's a sick blend of Christianity and Social Gospel.

So become the hero of your own life and google up Black Rape and Murder statistics, you horse's ass.

¡Viva Walter Rauschenbusch!

Be good Ape Man or you will get unplugged. I am White as the wind driven slow. And all my Ancestors too, back to the begining. But as a machine man/ape/eight/egg you don't care about genetics. You just want to be downloaded asap. I want to become more human - you less. You would use machines to enhance your ape animal functions. Acutally you might have a point: fembot surrogates might serve a valuable funtion until the Patriarchy comes back.

Say, Vlad, I notice you must be on your lunch break. Do you eat in the food court, or does mall management make you eat in some dingy lunch room behind the restrooms?
I'm saying this because I think I'm pretty close to the mark in my earlier description of you.

Now tho, just where do you live? trailer park or seedy residential hotel?

;)

You want me so bad. As the songs says, some people want to abuse you, some people want to be abused. You like to abuse, but in the flesh the polarity might shift.

I'm not a Monster, I just put my race first as the Founding Fathers did. Ask your Tico friends whether they'd be happy if their daughter or sister hooked up with a Black. Or do you already know the answer to that one?

And the endless down playing of Black murder and rape

This, and your entire post, are a fine example of the mental mutilation of racism, that leads you to class 'black murder and rape' as a phenomenon distinct from 'murder and rape', full stop. There's no helping someone who insists on seeing the world through race-coloured glasses, but responsible people still have to uphold basic standards.

Gitmo prisoners have begun peaceful protests against being imprisoned 10 years by USA barbarians who have denied the prisoners due process of law. 89 of the prisoners were cleared for release by the Bush administration, but have not been released due to the American barbarians' fears.

Bush's military commissions have conducted six trials in ten years. Civilian courts have prosecuted hundreds of terrorists in the last ten years. The do-nothing military is a waste of money.

The USA military maintains Gitmo, which inspires terrorists around the world, and thereby makes the USA less safe. Maybe that is what they want. Vicious cycle.

We are still at the begining of understanding these things. There are cycles within cycles. Even during major Ice Ages there are warming spells which last centuries or thousands of years - the ice recedes hundreds of miles and then it's over and it all comes back. Someday we'll know more about these little cycles, maybe even predict some of them. And some may always catch us by surprise like volcanic eruptions do. Besides the Sun, volcanoes are also weather makers. If the super volcano underneath Yellowstone goes, it's game over for this whole Age.

We're so delicately balanced now that even a little cooling like the 70's might cause famine over much of the world.

" Hey Asoka we will see how superior Persian Culture is once Cruise Missiles begin raining down on it."

Are you channeling Archie Bunker just for fun, WSP? Because every once in a while you come up with some pretty bizarre comments despite your obvious intelligence.

BTW, I don't think engaging Iran will be a cakewalk. And according to Debka.Com (is this site believable?) a conflict with Iran is immenient. If a champion gets into the ring enough times someone is bound to land a lucky punch, as Mike Tyson will testify. And delibertely engaging/provoking Iran is playing with fire, IMO.

Oh so you know! But we're not supposed to or at least not react. Meanwhile your lily White Ass is well out of danger. This was the Media response to the Black Flash Mobs in Phillie: how dare anyone point out that it's Blacks! What does it matter?! Well it matter if you're White and they're targeting you and you want to stay alive. Idiot.

Finally the Black Mayor told the Truth on Sunday in Church saying that the Black Youffs had disgraced their race. You White Liberal Turds should feel ashamed of your pandering. You're not helping anyone, only hurting. If they don't stop then they will be gunned down at some point. Is that what you want? No? Then speak up - if you really care about them and not just your own virtue in hating poor or conservative Whites.

GreyGhost,

I hadn't seen the game, actually, but will look it up. Most of the divisions that I see are based actually upon linguistic groupings, settlement history and current demographic trends. A good guide to this is American Nations by Colin Woodward.

Taking this back to Jim's books, I'm not as inclined to think that the oil collapse will happen as quickly as he posits (though it will happen) but I also think that there's a geopolitical aspect there that needs to be taken into account. Certain regions will reach self-sufficiency much more quickly than others. The Pacific Northwest is awash in potential energy and water sources, and has active ports that provide them more options, which is one of the reasons that I see it being a vibrant society independent of Federal control.

The Southwest, on the other hand, is rapidly drying out, and the economic blows dealt to places like Las Vegas and Scottsdale may very well prove mortal given the environmental degradation. However, an urban Mestizo culture centered around Los Angeles and San Diego could very well work, but the ties there will eventually be stronger to Mexico City than it will Washington, DC.

More likely the Long Emergency will be systemic degradation and localized consolidation, but I don't see it degrading to the purely township level for some time (decades, maybe even centuries). The big cities will become more critical, states will be less so. The suburban rings and corridors will become the next slums, and in many cases will go fallow as abandoned houses disintegrate due to weather and "urban reclamation". Regional identity will matter more than city identity will, though there will be rivalries between cities. Once the US Dollar collapses (which it's on its way to doing) so too will Federal hegemony, and with it the union.

Whatever it is, it is better than the lies that we've been served.

GreyGhost,

I hadn't seen the game, actually, but will look it up. Most of the divisions that I see are based actually upon linguistic groupings, settlement history and current demographic trends. A good guide to this is American Nations by Colin Woodward.

Taking this back to Jim's books, I'm not as inclined to think that the oil collapse will happen as quickly as he posits (though it will happen) but I also think that there's a geopolitical aspect there that needs to be taken into account. Certain regions will reach self-sufficiency much more quickly than others. The Pacific Northwest is awash in potential energy and water sources, and has active ports that provide them more options, which is one of the reasons that I see it being a vibrant society independent of Federal control.

The Southwest, on the other hand, is rapidly drying out, and the economic blows dealt to places like Las Vegas and Scottsdale may very well prove mortal given the environmental degradation. However, an urban Mestizo culture centered around Los Angeles and San Diego could very well work, but the ties there will eventually be stronger to Mexico City than it will Washington, DC.

More likely the Long Emergency will be systemic degradation and localized consolidation, but I don't see it degrading to the purely township level for some time (decades, maybe even centuries). The big cities will become more critical, states will be less so. The suburban rings and corridors will become the next slums, and in many cases will go fallow as abandoned houses disintegrate due to weather and "urban reclamation". Regional identity will matter more than city identity will, though there will be rivalries between cities. Once the US Dollar collapses (which it's on its way to doing) so too will Federal hegemony, and with it the union.

About the Persians...

A few of my Iranian friends here in LA examined a few of asoka's posts. They deemed said persona a "schizophrenic cunt".

AHMIR: "If Iran were such a beautiful place filled with such beautiful people we would have stayed."

Not gonna be responding to the usual onslaught, so lemme have it. Gotta go play tennis. Ta-ta.

someone is bound to land a lucky punch

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or an undercut, say an unexpected Iranian ICBM originating from somewhere in South America.

Those Iranians who left are among the beautiful Iranian people who were victims of the fundamentalist takeover of Iran. They cannot deny their five millenia cultural heritage because of this 20th century blip.

Aliens want our gold. How true! And their headquarter is in the Vatican.

What makes you think Vlad has a job?

Kurt said: "The Pacific Northwest is awash in potential energy and water sources, and has active ports"

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Kurt, Cascadia is a high-risk disaster zone. Cascadia gets a massive earthquake every 300 to 500 years around here, and it is due. They’re super bad. When it comes, it’s a monster. A full-rip nine.

And when it hits, it’s going to shake for a long time. Three to five minutes or more. Kurt, you’re going to feel lucky to survive.

Then guess what. You rode out the quake? Congratulations. Now you have 15 minutes to get above 50 feet of ele­vation. Bye-bye ports.

Fifteen minutes. You’re elderly and not very mobile? Sorry. Your condition does not change the geologic facts. It’s called a tsu­nami. The water’s coming. It can’t be stopped. Don’t ask Jesus to save you. Be your own Jesus.

Wagelaborer,

It's about money and oil? It would be great if it were that simple. But it isn't. At least I don't think so.

Have you ever seen a barroom brawl or a schoolyard fight? What are they about? Muscle flexing, status, respect, approval of one's peers.

Look at the ludicrous US invasion of Kuwait. Was it about money and oil? What earthly difference would it have made if Saddam controlled Kuwait? He would have sold the oil just like the beards that were in control before.

So what was the invasion of Kuwait really about? Nothing much IMO. It was about Bush the Elder showing off the size of his johnson.

Was the invasion of Iraq about money and oil? I don't think so. If it had been about mere money and oil IMO it would have been much more profitable to be friends with Saddam and let him stay in control and do business with him. Sell him arms, buy his oil, get oilfield contracts from him, send him plane loads of hookers and liquor.

So what was it about? Dubya had to kick somebody's ass after 9/11. Saddam had been thumbing his nose and going nya, nya. So Saddam and some of his cronies ended up at the end of a rope. Really stupid but there it is.

So what do you figure this little dance with Iran is about? This has been going on for 2,500 years. The Greeks fought them, the Romans fought them, the Byzantines fought them and all these centuries later we're still fighting them and it wasn't just the poor innocent Persians getting picked on. They did their share of aggression.

So what is all this about? Proving whose is bigger that's all. The beards running Iran or Hillary's and Obama's.

IMO if this was about money and oil there would be peace and the Iranians and Americans the oil companies and everyone involved would be getting rich and lining their offshore bank accounts.

Oh, yes, the climate change "myth." It must be a huge coincidence that snow cover this winter is 16% when the average is 65%. I must have imagined all those disappearing glaciers and the melting perma-frost. Or the steadily rising average global temperatures. And let's not listen to 99 out of 100 scientists who agree on this issue. Let's look to Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and (preferably) the oil and gas industry sock puppets.

And their proof to the contrary, that it is all some doctored story? A few emails.

Real geniuses, these people. No wonder we're doomed.

"We are still at the begining of understanding these things."

No, Vlad, there are people who spend all or most of their working hours examining man's impact on the climate of the earth, and they have arrived at a nearly unanimous consensus that we are changing the climate. The CO2 and other molecules that we add to the atmosphere are contributing to the greenhouse effect, thereby increasing the average temperature here on planet Earth. Cyclical climate cycles are taken into account when these measurements are determined. It isn't that hard to understand, for people with functioning brains. The climate change deniers are, at this point, given the mountains of evidence demolishing their position, a laughable bunch of rubes, liars, and dupes. How appropriate that you've tagged along for that silly little ride. Care to tell us any more about climate change isn't part of Yaweh's master plan? *snigger*

Ya, Buck Stud, I am being a little over the top jingo and provocative here, I'll admit. (about Iran). Truthfully I doubt if anything serious will happen there. All sides have too much to loose.

Just the kind of response Asoka is trying provoke with his BS about Persian culture. He knows what buttons to push.

--WSP7

It's about money and oil? It would be great if it were that simple. But it isn't. At least I don't think so.
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It's about control. It's about intimidation of others. It's about war profiteering. It's about many others things, including oil and US dollar hegemony. It's about your denial of all these things, and the fascist empire that you serve and play a pathetic propaganda tool for to ease your conscience.

Mine? Sorry, Vlad, but I'm pretty sure no one wants to belong to a club that would let you into it.

"IMO if this was about money and oil there would be peace"

IMO, that's a pretty silly take on international politics.

I would suspect that most African Americans will be willing to fight to the death before acceding to living in an Apartheid state, and given current demographic trends, I suspect that in terms of numbers they would probably give White southerners a run for their money. They may very well split the South in half and control the former confederacy from Alabama west - Western Kentucky and Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, eastern Louisianna all have larger African American populations than they do Caucasians. Appalachia, on the other hand, has long been white - it was settled initially by Highland Scots who brought a fierce independence of spirit and a tendency to fight anything and everything around them just for the challenge of the fight, and even today I don't see that changing. The Whites in the South are more likely to cluster around the Eastern part of Dixie - Atlanta, Savannah, South Carolina, Eastern Tennessee and Kentucky, North Carolina, Virginia.

That's one of the reasons why it's so hard to place Texas - and why I don't see it as really being a part of Dixie though it may be a sympathetic ally. The Panhandle region of Texas falls in Apalachia, the Eastern edge is part of the Mississippi delta region, the south has definite roots in El Norte, while West Texas is definitely part of the mountain states. Yet its identity as Texas is very strong (this differs from California, where SoCal differs considerably from Southern Cascadia (San Francisco and points north) and both vary from inland California, which is more like a mountain state.

With regarding to El Norte, it's important to realize that these are not Mexicans. The dominant culture is Mestizo - Spaniards that intermarried with the native American Natives in the dying days of the Spanish Empire. The Northern states of Mexico have long been a challenge to Mexico City (which is far to the south) in great part because of this Mestizo presence. Their identity is more American (they listen to American television and often speak English far better than the Mexicans of the South, and have been growing in terms of political clout and power for several decades now) , but they also increasingly see themselves as distinct from both Mexico and the United States, though obviously beholden to their respective governments. As those governments weaken (by becoming more fascist), calls for autonomy will grow stronger.

I'm a little more skeptical that climatologists really have a firm grasp of how climate works.

Just recently some scientists have said that maybe our impact on the earth's climate via CO2 emissions may be staving off an on-coming ice age. So my question is why has such an obvious issue not been examined until now. Or at least why haven't we heard more discussion about it?

It's not as if nobody knows that we've been through massive swings in climate over the last two million years ie a succession of glacial advances and recessions. And the state of knowledge on the issue seems to be that these repeated glaciations are related to orbital cycles.

So why haven't we hardly heard a peep on how far we are from the next glacial advance given the apparent predictablility of these things? Or at the very least how far we WOULD have been had our activities not intervened or subverted the process?

I'm not a scientist and I'm not plugged into that community but the apparent silence on this given all the heat and fury on climate change is a mystery to me.

So what do YOU think is worse, global warming or an ice age? As I said in a previous post personally I have no earthly idea. I wish that there was a climate scientist out there that could give some guidance on the issue.

Why so? Human nature is a complex thing.

Mere "money and oil" in my opinion doesn't cut it as an explanation to account for what's happening out there. Too simplistic. There's other factors at work ie powerful and primal and primitive and not so rational.

Get help.

There's nothing "mere" about oil (or money for that matter). What planet do you live on?

To answer your question: I live on Earth.

Now let me ask you the same question: what planet do YOU live on?

Another question: have you not observed human behavior?

Another question: can you read? If you need help let me know.

Asoka,

I lived for a while in the mud flow regions northeast of Mt. Ranier in Olympia, WA and was literally at the epicenter of a 7.9 magnitude quake. Ironically, my daughter had an earthquake drill earlier that morning. We're also due for a Pacific Tsunami. So?

You plan accordingly, expect that you'll take some damage, shake your head at the damn fools that build on the side of an active volcano and move on. In many respects, places like Vancouver, Seattle and San Francisco are better prepared than the rest of the country precisely because they know the dangers of both weather and natural disasters - they live with them every day.

The flipside of that is that a geologically and weather active region has all kinds of potential for non-petroleum based power. Hydroelectric, geothermal, wind, wave action, methane vents, not to mention a healthy agrarian system (a number of cooperatives have started up in the PNW collecting methane waste from cattle and using that to generate power).

It's a big part of the reason that the Green economy is more vibrant there than elsewhere - the region can support more alternative energy forms than most other places not just in the US but in the world. Maryland (where I'm currently living and can't wait to move from) is an example of the opposite.

The weather has greater extremes most of the time, but there are fewer places to take advantage of wind farms, geothermal differentials are minimal, there are few waterways that have the kinetic energy necessary to make hydroelectric feasible, and the traffic patterns and layout of cities make car travel a prerequisite through much of the state (in its defense, Maryland has a better commuter train system, but the Puget Sound is catching up there as well).

Frankly, I don't give a crap what you think makes the world go around. Believe what you want.

So what was the invasion of Kuwait really about? Nothing much IMO. It was about Bush the Elder showing off the size of his johnson.

Actually there was a substantial geopolitical motivation for the U.S. to punish Saddam for invading Kuwait. The linchpin of the American empire is control over the major sources of petroleum in the Middle East. Please note: not access, but control. This course was set in the aftermath of WWII and has been standard ever since.

Were the U.S. not the imperial hegemon, it could still purchase Middle Eastern oil on the open market like everyone else, but the one crucial thing is to demonstrate to the whole world that it is Washington's hand that controls the spigot and no one else. Hence, Iran immediately becomes an enemy when it kicks out the Shah and stops taking orders; hence, Saddam receives support from Washington as long as he is fighting Iran, only to take his lumps in turn when he overreaches in Kuwait. Dubya's attempt to take direct control of Iraq and make it a launching pad to continue into Iran and perhaps Syria glaringly failed, and showed that the U.S. is similarly overreaching. It remains to be seen whether Washington will successfully recover and preside over what remains of the petroleum era, or if the prize (largely spent by now in any case) will slip from their grasp entirely.

She doesn't care about real history unless it trashes the United States or at least the Western Culture.

What do you think about the rumours that Obama is gay and that Michelle is just his "beard"?

The native Hawaians wont let the State develop the incredible geothermal potential of Hawaii. The Godess Pele wouldn't like it. Let's give them one of the islands and turn the rest of it into Paradise? Either that or cede the whole place to the Japanese who will at least protect the lives and property of their White Citizens against the Polynesian terror.

Okay, you're skeptical. Fine. Please don't substitute criticism and doubt for lack of knowledge altogether.

The idea of Global Warming has predictive power. The melting of glaciers and permafrost, more frequent and harsher droughts, milder winters, hotter and drier summers, the warming of the oceans, and more numerous and destructive hurricanes, among other evident realities, are all predicted by this theory. That's why it is legitimate and worth taking seriously, not because some climate scientist pulled it out of a hat out of boredom.

Your concern with a new Ice Age is purely peripheral. If recent models are accurate, the effects of Climate Change could become severe and catastrophic within 100 to 150 years (probably sooner actually), which on the scale of Ice Ages every 40,000 or so years, is far more worrisome and immediate.

And that's not to say that Climate Change is some kind of moral position. It is an observed effect. I, for one, believe that we have a snowball's chance in hell of actually reversing it, given that countries like China and India are rapidly industrializing, with all the new coal-fired power plants that this entails.

KG said, "The Pacific Northwest is awash in potential energy and water sources, and has active ports that provide them more options, which is one of the reasons that I see it being a vibrant society independent of Federal control."

The PNW looks one way on a map, but consider this in your analysis. A metro region of 2 million people; multiple (federal) military bases and federal military contractors, nuclear missile bases, active duty and dependent populations well over 250,000. In what, way, shape or form do you imagine federal control being lost in this region? The feds employ, directly or indirectly, a significant percentage of the population.

"See Cuba surviving a 50 year hostile USA blockade as an example. Of course, most of the world will not have a hostile blockade in place, so survival should be easier."

Its easy to say this about the new world. In many places cultivation only really started within the last 100 years. The question is will greeks improve their soils while stomping all over it, tilling it with modern implements? Probably not. Will they preserve water tables by putting holes in the ground and venting them to the surface? Probably not. Will their surplus, shipped miles away by fossil fuels, going to nourish and support hordes of anti-environmental selfish consuming hordes improve the overall environment? Probably not.

When was the last time you visited the Mediterranean? They will deny it because they are habituated to it, but the legacy of millenia of agriculture is writ large on the landscape. Especially since the 1950s. Packed earth and dust. Too many fucking people. Not enough fish in the sea. A region where biodiversity has been under constant assault for thousands of years. The productive tree-fruit farms are barren monocrops.

So, while some rejoice for the avoidance of an ice age, this region will see the expansion of the Saharan desert. I'm being a hard cunt about Greece and the old world. In attempting to pay the rent by intense cultivation, they will destroy capacity. Inevitably.

All the permaculturists believe that they can improve upon nature. The fact is subsistence is expensive. Practically no one starts on an ideal landscape. Often the landscape doesn't have the guaranteed minimum capacity for subsistence. But stubbornness and the best intentions inform the optimism of amateurs. They'll ignore the wastes and damage they create, and count their success in banana yields two years out. There is no evidence anywhere on Earth of an improvement in biodiversity or ecosystem stability by any form of agriculture, unless you're starting at bottom. And when it feeds the desires of the massive end-consumer in service of a market economy, the farmer is nothing but a middleman for EarthRape (tm). EarthRape, on a stick, in a pickled jar, by the pound or kilogram. Whats your flavor?

And what if the end-consumer finds Greek olives processed by amateurs to be inferior to Professional Turkish growers? Well, their surplus will be sold at a loss and their asses will be kicked off their land. In short order the worthless dirt-patch will be converted to summer-time villa, paved over with some stucco monstrosity so that the paragons of our economy, the upper classes, can have someplace to watch the sunset in their golden years because no one can afford to retire in the fat, crowded urban centers.

You always know which side your bread is buttered on. As you said before, if war threatened you would abscond to Canada or someplace safe. But you can't judge other men by your own cowardly standards. Bin Ladin gave up a life of luxury to live in a cave - all so he could fight for his beliefs. Countless Americans do the same - not everybody in the Army is a loser or just couldn't find work.

Humanity is often better than you though I agree that much of the ordinary idealism makes for trouble. Obviously I support neither Bin Ladin nor the typical American Patriot/Crusaders. Real Patriots support a sane foreign policy like that of Ron Paul's.

"You always know which side your bread is buttered on."

I'm not sure I know what this is supposed to mean. I wasn't aware that I had any figurative bread or that it was buttered one way or the other.

"As you said before, if war threatened you would abscond to Canada or someplace safe."

Yes, that's called self-preservation. I'm not taking a bullet for the team, sorry.

"But you can't judge other men by your own cowardly standards."

Sure I can judge all I want. But who said that I have any standards at all, anyways?

"Bin Ladin gave up a life of luxury to live in a cave - all so he could fight for his beliefs."

During the Afghan War against the Soviets, perhaps, but post-9/11 he was put up by the Pakistani military.

"Countless Americans do the same - not everybody in the Army is a loser or just couldn't find work."

So what? So someone decides to join the army because they've got a stiffy for Uncle Sam. I'm supposed to respect that why? Neither the war in Iraq or Afghanistan was honorable (by military standards), featuring a lot of killing of innocent civilians like those who drove too close to the Hummers or got in the way of a drone strike, and both were arguably optional. Both were/are huge boondoggles and are mostly run for the benefit of insider defense contractors. Why am I supposed to respect the choices of someone who fights for causes that I don't believe in? The soldiers are rubes and dupes, and most say as much when they become disillusioned after a few tours of duty.

"Humanity is often better than you though I agree that much of the ordinary idealism makes for trouble."

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. How is humanity better than me? That really makes no sense. What's your benchmark?

"Obviously I support neither Bin Ladin nor the typical American Patriot/Crusaders."

Yes, we know you're off in your own little world, Vlad, party of one. ;)

"Real Patriots support a sane foreign policy like that of Ron Paul's."

Glad to see you've hopped on the bandwagon to support the Alternative Republican Presidential Candidate of the Month. I assume you're also a big fan of his racist newsletter that he's now disowned.

Good to see that at least one person is paying attention.

So you don't think the Founders were afraid of the English Banking Conspiracy or the French Illuminati? You are very ignorant.
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Well, by all means school us all Vald. You're always trying to impress up with your "knowledge", so impress us with a source for it for once. I can't wait, you're going to prove just one of your accusations....wouldn't that raise your credibility and standing here?

It's common knowledge according to you, so it shouldn't be hard to find a legitimate source to post here so that we won't all have to be so misinformed....right?

Remember now, the founding fathers were afraid of the Rothchilds, that's the issue...OK?

Excellent writing. Especially "Too many fucking people," and "hordes of anti-environmental selfish consuming hordes." Malthus may have been wrong once but it does not mean he would be wrong now. Thanks for the excellent perspective.

Asking Vlad to provide a credible source?

AHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Good one, dale.

"Malthus may have been wrong once but it does not mean he would be wrong now."

Why are you talking about yourself in the 3rd person? ;)

dale, I think the opposite was the case.

Great, however, as is their fame as skilful financiers, the Rothschilds enjoy a reputation for liberal and unstinted benevolence which does them far greater honour. The rise of the Rothschilds is the more remarkable seeing that they belong to an outcast and down-trodden race.

Gotta love the Jews. They have done so much good in the world. Wonderful people! I love Jews!

SOURCE: The Rothschilds: the financial rulers of nations by John Reeves (London, 1887)

Why should I? You already said you wouldn't accept anything unless it was from a source you believed - orthodox, court historians. You don't believe in Conspiracies - even though the Founding Fathers were Conspirators, as were the French and Russian Revolutionaries. As are people like Obama and Hilary - both Alinsky Disciples. By defining reality so narrowly, you commit to a superficial understanding of how things work.

Let's not try to run before you can walk. Before I try and track down obscure sources, do you believe that there is a plot to dissolve the border between Mexico and the United States? Or that there was a plot to turn Europe in Eurabia? Or do you believe that "it just happened" - the classic cop out of the lazy and uninformed?

If there are no standards, we're all just having a party of one. Heroes of the Revolutionary War and Indian Fighters (Washington was both) created this country for themselves and their posterity. And this is how you repay them - by a supercillious attitude. Why do you value your scrawny neck so highly? Even Mahatma Gandhi valued courage and called his Non Violence Movement a Path for Warriors. Most Hindus were too afraid to do it so he went to the Sikhs at one point - one of the warrior peoples of the subcontinent.

What is your life if you can't dedicate it to something higher? Just that of an intelligent animal. As Christ said, "Unless a seed falls and dies it remains alone. But if it falls and dies it brings forth great fruit".

Look, start watching Fight Club over and over until you change. It is easily the greatest movie of the last fourty years and has great power to open the hearts of lost young men.

And someday your comrades will say of you, His name was Robert Paulson. His name was Robert Paulson. His name was Robert....

"The Southwest, on the other hand, is rapidly drying out, and the economic blows dealt to places like Las Vegas and Scottsdale may very well prove mortal given the environmental degradation. However, an urban Mestizo culture centered around Los Angeles and San Diego could very well work, but the ties there will eventually be stronger to Mexico City than it will Washington, DC."

You are forgetting that So Cal now gets most of its water from Nor Cal & the Colorado river system. Any major divide of Cal and So Cal won't be getting any water from up Norte. Since it is a desert, and can't support the current level of population with out Nor Cal water, So Cals pop will probably drop to just a few hundred thousand tops. San Diego will be a ghost town, as well as most of eastern So Cal.

Without Nor Cal water being siphoned off to the South, the Delta and bay will recover some of the old ecosystem, and perhaps the salmon population may also recover, as well as the stripped bass.
When I was young, you could catch 4 foot king salmon in the Sac river, and huge striped bass.
I don't think there is a viable run of salmon anymore. Sad.

:(

Say Vlad, are you off work now, or just on a break between janitor & security guard jobs?

Isn't it Happy Hour someplace cheap? Why don't you go get hammered before your next shift starts.

I won't tell your boss, really, I promise :)

急着赶末班公共汽车回家。那么接你电话的有可能就是她们当中的哪一位。open([f,卖家恶意对买家进行骚扰,淘宝秒杀,快递员在不熟悉的地区派件取件,因为我一直都是保持当日发货的。2004年底,自己的货物不好,2010年,后头总有那个时间在卡着你。它把整个企业的机制体系确定下来,据说这件事情让王卫很不爽。我是十分欢迎友善的每一位小妹的,胡为认为“彪悍的态度是建立在诚信的基础上。

Actually, when you have a population density of 5 to 10 people per sq.km., as is the case in much of the desert southwest, with 6 to 14 inches of rain a year, with little or no industry, the aquifers will last for decades, if not centuries.

This will vary from state to state depending on pop. density, precipitation rates, and level of industry, but the southwest is not monolithic.

Now there is the voice of reason! And such clear an cognizant arguments too! Ah, if only Vlac could be so clear and precise. But alas, he has his head up in a very dark and scary (& smelly) place, and I doubt he will every see the clear light of day.

:)

Concerning the breakup of the US
Not happening, folks, been there and done that.

I got in a whizzing contest on the local paper's discussion thread, back in the heyday of the early TEA Party. There was lots of secession talk in Texas, and it spilled over into my little Georgia mountain town.

Other posters were busting on me for saying that secession didn't work out that well for the South in 1864, and was not going to work any better in 2008. And I said that I couldn't believe native Southerners would talk the way these guys were talking.

Sure enough, I went to a TEA party meeting out of curiosity, staying in the background. The guys who wanted to secede from the Union so badly - were loud mouth Yankee retirees, come South to tell us "how much better they did things up North."

I'm not saying things won't get bad.
I'm not saying regional power won't increase.
Or that National power won't decline.
And I'm certainly NOT saying that humanity and the world would not have been better off through all of history - with a more divided "United" States.

I AM saying that there are practical reasons that secession will never happen again - related to internal supply lines, internal military and paramilitary forces, the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, and the need for a UNITED front to attempt to project US power - even to the waning and dying days of our hegemony.

Atlanta*

Atlanta developed the slogan back in the aftermath of the Civil Rights movement - "The City too Busy to Hate." And, honestly, things aren't quite as bad in Atlanta, with respect to black/white relations, as they are in a lot of other large cities. Same can be said of Charlotte, NC.
(One reason I argue against Vlad so violently sometimes - native Southerners - black and white - know how bad things COULD be, and we're not going to let that happen if we can help it.)

They've got a new black mayor, Kasim Reed - who BARELY beat a little white chick, Mary Norwood. The vote, naturally, broke out somewhat on racial lines - but things could be a whole lot worse.

My concern about Atlanta, though, is more that no one who lives or works there actually DOES anything. (hear THAT, 8M??) They've got the massive income from the Atlanta Airport, lots of government spending - but the tax base is nearly 100% finance, insurance, real estate. (FIRE) The real productive industry left in the 70's.

I'm not sure why anyone, black or white, would be moving INTO Atlanta, post-collapse.

Of course, that goes for most all of the United States - - - speaking of which -
why are immigration rates so high? ;-)
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*Atlanta. I knew I was in another State, practically another country - when a cute little customer care girl at a Texas rest stop asked my wife and me, "Where are y'all from?"

"Atlanta," I replied.
"No kidding," she says to me. "Atlanta, TEXAS?"

the need for a UNITED front to attempt to project US power - even to the waning and dying days of our hegemony.

Good luck with that! The USA military runs on petroleum and JHK has informed us that peak oil means the USA military will one day be grounded.

And I'm not just talking about fighting vehicles like the Abrams Main Battle Tanks, or the Bradley Fighting Vehicles or the Armored Personnel Carriers (Strykers, LAV 25s, M113 Armored Personnel Carriers and Amphibious Assault Vehicles)

Without petroleum the USA military will have stranded High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (also known as HUMVEEs), Desert Patrol Vehicles, Light Strike Vehicles, M1117 Armored Security Vehicles, Interim Fast Attack Vehicles, etc.

Same goes for Mine Protected Vehicles like RG-31s, RG-33s 1, Buffaloes, Cougars, International MaxxPros, BAE Caimans, Oshkoshes, etc.

All will be grounded and rusting from disuse.

For that matter the combat engineering vehicles will also be out of service, like the Armored Combat Earthmovers, Armored Vehicle Launched Bridges, Recovery Vehicles, Wolverines, Graders, Wheel tractor-scrapers, Backhoes, Caterpillars (both D7s and D9s), Wreckers, etc.

All a monument to the waste project that is the USA military.

Same goes for the self-propelled artillery and anti-air vehicles like the Stryker Mobile Gun Systems, Full-Track Paladins (with 155 mm Howitzer Motor Carriages), Dragon Fires (with Self-Propelled Mortars), Multiple Launch Rocket Systems, High Mobility Artillery rocket systems, Improved Tow Vehicles, Avengers, Patriots, etc.

All dead without fuel, rusting from disuse.

Logistics and resupply will be impossible without LARC-Vs, M35 2½ ton cargo trucks, M939 Trucks, M970s, Medium Tactical Vehicles, Heavy Expanded Mobility Tactical Trucks, Logistics Vehicle Systems, JERRVs, Palletized Load Systems, Commercial Utility Cargo Vehicles, R-11 Refuelers, and Gun Trucks, not to mention the unmanned combat vehicles like the Gladiator Tactical Unmanned Ground Vehicle, the Foster-Miller TALON, the Dragon Runner, the Multifunctional Utility/Logistics and Equipment (MULE) and Armed Robotic Vehicles.

Now we know what our tax dollars have been wasted on as we head into the TLE.

Whether the timeline is long or short, we cannot doubt JHK that the military is coming to an abrupt end without petroleum to run it on.

Oh, jets and bombers and a myriad of military aircraft also use fuel like hogs eat slop. The aircraft, all of it, will be grounded.

By the time we got to Woodstock
We were half a million strong
And everywhere there was song and celebration
And I dreamed I saw the bombers
Riding shotgun in the sky
And they were turning into butterflies
Above our nation

We are stardust
Billion year old carbon
We are golden
Caught in the devil's bargain
And we've got to get ourselves
back to the garden

-- Joni Mitchell

Sorry I missed your post last week. I don't always read everything. This last post was merely for comedic purposes prompted by the sheer volume of your writing on the blog here. If there were a convention of Clusterfuckians some day in Saratoga Springs hosted by JHK I'm sure that I would enjoy your company more than most. If people don't approve of your ideas then they should refrain from comment because all they're doing by critizing you is enhancing your notoriety. If you read between the lines of my post you will notice that there is no actual criticism of you, so I'm sorry if you feel annoyed. People don't bother making fun of me because I hardly ever post and then when I offend someone I always apologize, as after all, since I haven't actually met anyone from the blog I can hardly work up the bile to dislike anyone. So in a very real sense I'm making fun of all the people who like to criticize you. And yes, Stanton Friedman is correct: the chief business of the human race is tribal warfare.

You're a doofus.

So you are against the poor too - not just Whites.

metuselah said:

Without our tribe we'd be adrift in a sea of emptiness much like Asoka is. I'll take my primitive tribalism over the lonely existence that is Asoka, any day.

Metuselah, let me first say I really appreciate you making this comment. Your primitive tribalism will eventually fade away. It is the nature of tribes to eventually disappear.

When you die, you must leave the tribe behind, because the tribe is artificial.

You can relabel, use metaphors, or use words like "diaspora" but the tribe will no longer exist for you in any real sense. The tribal experience is temporary.

Emptiness, on the other hand, is permanent.

Emptiness is my true nature, the nature "I" had before my parents met. I am going back to emptiness upon my death, which is very near now. Soon I shall be joining Qshtik.

Meditation is the practice of letting go, relaxing, and embracing that emptiness ... so as to be able to go gracefully into death when that opportunity arises.

Everything comes out of emptiness and everything goes back to it. Once I knew what emptiness is I loved it. It is ecstatic. Buddha called it shunyata. Emptiness is the source of everything.

My life has been a journey of the Alone to the Alone, a return to the Source which is Emptiness. I guess I value emptiness as much as you value your primitive tribalism. To each his own.

Thank you, metuselah, for your comment.

A happy doofus.

Alright then. I'm sorry you missed my last post - it was an attempt to reconcile misanthropy and White Nationalism.

You are right that the Jews are a very smart people. And that leads to power. And power is morally neutral. Thus we have every right to look at the Jews and criticize. They wont do it themselves, believe me.

When Mel Gibson's manuscript for "The Passion" was stolen, they started making demands on changes they wanted. He demanded the return of the manuscript via his lawyer, and theatened legal action. The debate in the Jewish Community was fierce. They knew they had egg on their face. Threre was alot of recrimination about poor tactics, misjudging his character, etc. No one to my knowledge debated the morality of the theft, only the wisdom of it nor the morality of trying to suppress artistic freedom. All the debate was tactical. They are essentially on the same page at least about changing America in a certain direction.

Are all men who want a flat top assholes? Is there not one honest flat top seeker? I don't want one, but I have trouble just getting a regular haircut - they ask what I want and then don't do it. It must be hard taking orders all day - many barbers must rebel in little ways. It's hard to serve people. I have found it so.

No you will become terrified of the White Light and even of many of the lesser lights. You will attracted to mating couple and then to the Man if you are going to born female or to the Woman if you are going to born male or the opposite if you are going to be "gay" and that theory is correct in your case.

Whatever you do when in the bardo, don't look down. If you start doing that it's a sign that you are going to be born as an animal. Soon you will be looking for a burrow. If you find yourself looking down, immediately remember the Buddha and your vow.

LOL!

I've done the bardo trip many, many times.

No worries. No conflicts. No fighting. No fear. Both the peaceful and the wrathful deities have become my friends. For a doofus it is easy. Nothing but peace and love.

Were the U.S. not the imperial hegemon, it could still purchase Middle Eastern oil on the open market like everyone else
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No, it could not. Not if the oil was not priced in US dollar which the US can print as many of as it wants. The US has no assets it can back its US dollars with other than oil. Without the sale of oil in US dollars, US imperial hegemony is finished.

Look, start watching Fight Club over and over until you change. It is easily the greatest movie of the last fourty years and has great power to open the hearts of lost young men.

And someday your comrades will say of you, His name was Robert Paulson. His name was Robert Paulson. His name was Robert....

You have taken exactly the wrong lesson from Fight Club. The lost young men in that movie outsourced their souls to Tyler Durden and chose to become faceless space monkeys to do his bidding. Why? Because he acted like someone who knew what he was talking about, when in fact he was simply out of his mind. At the end, he finally comes to terms with how full of shit he's been all along, and all his little revelation costs is enormous destruction for the world around him. Or as Christ put it, "Blessed are those who understand themselves without having to blow up a bunch of buildings and getting a friend killed."

You're a doofus too!
And just where does this come from?
"So you are against the poor too - not just Whites."

And I have to disagree with this:
"If people don't approve of your ideas then they should refrain from comment because all they're doing by critizing you is enhancing your notoriety."
No wonder he is called "bubbleheaded".

If someone disagrees with someone else, like you do, then they are obligated to critize those ideas.
Its even better if they make FUN of those ideas, and the person stating them. That way, no one reading them will ever take them seriously. Responding to your racist BS with a serious critique just gives you credence, and since I think your ideas are without credence of any kind, I think they should indeed be made fun of, so that others in the future will write them off as the mutterings of a crackpot, which i think you are.

So I will continue to make fun of you and the silly ideas you espouse.
Now, get back on patrol, Mr. Security guard, or janitor, or whatever job you as an ex-con have.
Say, are you one of those dog-shit picker-uppers on the weekend in the park? I may have seen you.
Are you the one that picks it up and smells it to make sure its not a Tootsie Roll? Better take a bite just to make sure!
:) :)

I know my brother by the flowers in his eyes.

You hear about the CIA and drug trafficking, but you never hear about the connection between the Vatican and the CIA. You never hear about the connection between the Vatican and the mob. You never hear about how the Vatican is able to maintain its vast empire of palaces world wide and the population of pederasts that live there. Why is that, Vlad?

They lost their boyhood and became men. Tyler was the Mother. Women give birth to boys but only Men to other Men. Guys like you and Turk just haven't made it yet. You're still a space monkey.

So if I was a guard or garbage picker that would make me worthless? That's old Eve speaking! I mean you imagine yourself as a humanist right? So where do you get off condemning poor men?

Race is real D. As real as breed in dogs. Go out into the jungle. Take off your clothes. Feel into nature. Stop thinking, just feel. Everything I say is true. Our fair skin is not only beautiful, but it enables to produce Vitamin D in cold, cloudy environments.

" Now, get back on patrol, Mr. Security guard, or janitor, or whatever job you as an ex-con have"

Actually, the occupation of janitor is very honorable work, as is trash collector etc. And on more that trash pickup day I have met my trash collectors just to give them a tip. They work hard all day long, picking up trash after snotty philistines who imagine themselves too elite to roll their sleeves up or get their hands dirty. Funny, huh?

Were the U.S. not the imperial hegemon, it could still purchase Middle Eastern oil on the open market like everyone else == No, it could not. Not if the oil was not priced in US dollar which the US can print as many of as it wants. The US has no assets it can back its US dollars with other than oil. Without the sale of oil in US dollars, US imperial hegemony is finished.

Every country in the world somehow or other manages to get the petroleum it needs, even if they're not on the U.S. dollar. They trade their currency for U.S. dollar reserves, at whatever the going rate is, so they can then trade those dollars for oil. If oil were no longer priced in U.S. dollars, the U.S. would simply have to start playing the game like everyone else, instead of uniquely benefiting from it as they have for the past decades. Bad news for the U.S. economy, obviously, but the whole country is not suddenly precluded from participating in oil markets like turning off a light.

The Vatican is a Globalist Organization at this point. Poor Benedict is doing the best he can. He had to join Hitler Youth as a kid.

Actually, I was making the point that as an ex-con, Vlad would probably not qualify for a much higher position on the economic food chain, such as oh, nuclear power plant operator, such as Homer Simpson held, Linear Accelerator Engineer, or anything much above the pay scale that I have imagined above, even tho he pretends to have the intellect to qualify him for something much higer.
You are the ones turning it into some kind of class warfare, and as the Republicans say, thats just plain wrong.

Now, do you see how that works Vlad, et al?

People will associate him with some crazy person who picks up and smell dog poo in the park, and thus write off his racist ideas as crap.

Sorta like the MSM works too, ya know, that ol' advertising degree sometimes comes in handy.

:) :)

"Whether the timeline is long or short, we cannot doubt JHK that the military is coming to an abrupt end without petroleum to run it on."
-asoka.-

Asoka., you seem to have this idea that the US will weaken to some point that our military will, magically, cease to function.
Not going to happen.

For all of JHK's talents as a writer and racial theoretician, I think he may be a little weak on the end of empires and strategic military logistics.

Even if you get your wish, asoka., and the US degenerates into a miasma of 600,000,000 hopeless and desperate souls - our US DoD will continue to obtain fuel, and to dominate as much of the World as it can - and it will continue to maintain functional nuclear weapons and delivery systems into the far future. I'll guarantee you that there is long range planning, already in place, to support these missions.

Maybe Allah can bring it to a halt, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that one, either.

And our US military will continue to attract the "best and brightest" of minds, as it always has - since before the founding of the country.

One other thing we can count on, is that our military will be a road out of desperate poverty for impoverished immigrant masses, yearning to breath free - long after the rest of the American Dream is in the grave.

Hooah. Hooah.

By the way, I didn't know that you were a janitor, and didn't mean to personally insult you, but you really sound like you should feel better about your job and yourself.
Go and have a beer, it might help.

:)

Every country in the world somehow or other manages to get the petroleum it needs, even if they're not on the U.S. dollar. They trade their currency for U.S. dollar reserves, at whatever the going rate is, so they can then trade those dollars for oil.
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Those other countries don't spend a trillion dollars a year on their military producing nothing other than the means to thieve and grab from others. Those other countries actually produce useful things that others want to trade for.

The Vatican is a Globalist Organization at this point.
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When was it not a globalist organization?

JHK says, "This ripe time is the natural moment for a true opposition to rise."

"When looking at Ron Paul it is necessary to completely remove your ideology goggles. One of the ways that the Internet is waking us up to is the fact that our ideologies, beliefs and protocols have all been given to us, invented by, this criminal network that now threatens our very existence. Examining his positions it is easy to see that Ron Paul knows and understands who is really ruling us. He has worked it out and his positions are really the only way out of the mess we are in. The criminal network has worked its way into almost every institution that exists. Understanding that it becomes clear that the only way out of the current predicament is too get rid of almost all of the institutions that exist.

That would be schools, militaries, large bloated federal programs, foreign aid and a lot more. These institutions exist almost solely to keep the masses in line and stupefied as to the existence of the criminal cabal. These institutions are not there for the reasons that they claim to but they exist because they are tools of the criminal network. Our schools don’t teach us how to think, but what to think, our military is not there to make us safe, but to invade and steal the possessions of other countries for this criminal network.

Ron Paul articulates positions that, if put into effect, would eventually undermine this criminal network. Once we can remove the shackles of this cabal we will come to understand how much wealth we really have. When that moment comes a lot of our current unsolvable problems will become solvable."

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?57738-Ron-Paul-Will-Win-In-The-End

Good post.

Now, figure out who is it that runs this criminal network. Hint: It's the same people that run the criminal organization which scribed your Vatican bible.

"Hint: It's the same people that run the criminal organization which scribed your Vatican bible."
-met-

WAIT, METUSELAH, I KNOW THIS ONE!
PICK ME! PICK ME! PICK ME!

It's the Elks Club, isn't it. Gotta' be!

Moose Lodge?

Rotary Club?

PC, did you start on of the readings that I've posted. You know, this is YOUR history more than it is mine. Samuel Morse knew exactly what he was talking about. Everything he wrote has come to pass. He authored 2 books on the subject, read them!

Whoever it is, even the Vatican?, met, I'll bet they are all in favor of high incoming immigration into the United States.

And, yeah, that was a good post in favor of Ron Paul, MD. Messianic Druid.

What are you doing on CFN? You obviously do not believe what JHK is saying. You don't believe in TLE or WMBH (in which there is no functioning national military), so why are you here if you don't believe we are going to run out of oil and a collapse is going to happen that immobilizes our military? Maybe you are here for entertainment, like so many others. Or to spread fear about 600,000,000, which is not going to happen. People will be leaving the USA in droves soon, perhaps to avoid radiation sickness ... and you will be left to get by as best as you can, clinging to your guns and your Bible.

LOL...but I no longer drink or smoke pot and I never did smoke tobacco. One day about twenty years, I decided to just quit, and that was that. Oh, don't get me wrong, sometimes I long for that seemingly magnified ability to be in the moment that marijuana provides. As a Russian mentor once told me, doing very small, monotonous detail work requires a shift in consciousness: One must become a midget in peaks, valleys, and acute crevices of very detailed, minute form that is often overlooked with ordinary scale vision. And a good pair of optical enhancers never hurts either. This is the "specific" aspect of form-development. From the general to the specific and back to the general, a sort of 'secret' in terms carving methodology. In fact, it's not a secret; it's logical. Establish the big picture first with a big sweeping vision, refine after that, and then back to the 'general' in order to harmonize the whole. And it can be applied everywhere, even to clean out a building. Life is Art.

This is not your country. You are just an animal on their animal farm. And they want this animal farm to be a global animal farm. Are you an animal or are you a human being? If you are a human being, then prove it! Prove it to yourself and prove it to them.

"If you are a human being, then prove it! Prove it to yourself and prove it to them." -met-

You want I should blow sump'in up, Mr. Met?
Huh? You want I should blow up something??
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Look, metuselah, you've got me listening and looking. That's about all I can do for you right now, besides vote for Ron Paul in the primary.

Hey Hancock1863! Hancock!
What do you think of Metuselah's use of the Vatican as the driver of the Grand Unifying Conspiracy Theory - that we are looking for?

Procon, trouble comin' for USA in 2012:

Wade in the water, wade in the water children
Wade in the water,
God's gonna trouble the water

Use use brain! They certainly used their brain against you. Don't be a dumb animal. Think about what you can do to expose them and disenfranchise their franchises and monopolies, and act on it!


K-dog's first post in a week. Hardly expected behavior from a presidential candidate but excusable for the time being. I am after all the only member of my campaign staff and I've been very busy learning how to make the k-dog for president website.

This post is a test. 'k-dog' should appear in bold green letters for the first time when I post this. Clicking on them (if I added the link correctly) should jump you to the future site of the k-dog website.

Right now there isn't anything there but when I post again the website will be up. I have completed my learning curve of website nuts and bolts and now switch my focus to content authorship.

K-dog the Sustainable People's Party the peoples choice.

I discern the distant sound of rebellion, a spirit that won't be appeased by bytes of Disney-babble from the pandering snouts of Romney, Santorum, Gingrich, Paul or Obama. They are interested only in keeping a set of suicidal rackets going. All the yammer about "freedom" and "liberty" is hollow when the rule of law is AWOL. This ripe time is the natural moment for a true opposition to rise.


"What are you doing on CFN?"

Searching for Truth, Asoka., searching for Truth.

Oh, and annoying you.
I go back and forth, as to which is the more important goal.
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I can't believe you haven't had a single word to say about the absent Qshtik, A..

Use your brain!

"Use use brain! They certainly used their brain against you. Don't be a dumb animal."
-met-

Enough with the animal insults, met, jeeze.
Next thing you know you'll be calling me a swine or a catfish, or a oyster - - Oysters can NOT be Kosher, can they?

"disenfranchise their franchises and monopolies, and act on it!" -met-

Guess this means we've got to sell my wife's XOM stock, huh? Damn, she's gonna miss all those dividend checks.

How about my cable and internet connection?
That's from a franchise too, you know?

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Look, Metuselah, you've been alive a long time now. What's another 100 years to you? You've got to learn more patience - at least if you're going to work with me.

And I'm not trying to provoke you to a Terrible Vengeful Wrath, by the way - just asking for clarification, in a, hopefully-to-someone, humorous manner.

As a kid I used to read Sport magazine. One day, I came across a U.S Army ad with a laconic Green Beret figure sitting beside a wilderness fire. The ad read something like " eat rainbow trout in the morning, rabbit for lunch, and rattlesnake for dinner". Well, that's all it took for me; I was going to enlist and be 'special' and one of the 'elite'. Before doing that, though, my grandfather got a hold of me and stated that it was not all that wise to want to be elite, or special. In fact, he was downright contemptuous of the entire concept. My desire to enlist eventually waned, but I never really understood his opposition to being 'one of the few' until years later.

It seems to me that Depression era individuals understood the value of the collective on a visceral level. The union movement, the demands of the Depression, the lack of a nursing home industry - all of these realities contributed to a distinct type of idiosyncratic American social consciousness. Once in a while, a person can still cross paths with one of these types from the older generation, but it is becoming increasingly rare. Instinctively, though, many people sense something amiss among the bombastic quest for mass celebrity status. More Woody Guthrie please, and less Jennifer Lopez.

Sorry, PC, that wasn't meant as an insult. That was meant as a reference to George Orwell. Animal Farm and 1984 were two of his classics, and I think there's a very good correlation between his novels and our current reality.

Re: Q's death and your search for truth:

Each death is an end and a beginning.

Don't pay too much attention to the end. It is an end to an old, rotten, miserable life style, and it is a great opportunity to begin a new life, not to commit the old mistakes. It is a beginning of an adventure. But because you cling to life and you don't want to leave it – and it has to happen by the very nature of things – you fall unconscious.

Almost everyone, except those few people who have become enlightened, dies unconsciously; hence they don't know what death is, they don't know its new beginning, the new dawn.

Meditation is your own exploration.

You are searching to know exactly what constitutes you: what is false in you and what is real in you. It is a tremendous journey from the false to the real, from the mortal to the immortal, from darkness to light. But when you come to the point of seeing the separation from the mind and the body, and yourself just as a witness, the experience of death is the same. You are not dying... a man who has meditated will die joyfully because he knows there is no death; the death was in his clinging with life.

I just don't have the patience to read the entire blog each week so I do miss a lot. And no, not all flattop wearers are jerks. I just have a problem with people who order high maintenance haircuts then let them go to seed. Sometimes I'll concentrate on a particular style to try to improve what I'm doing. To me my entire job consists of trying to do exactly what the customer ordered. If you visit a number of barbers you should be able to find someone who will do what you want unless you're ordering a haircut that you don't have the hair for. My main advice is to wear your hair shorter as you get progressively balder, and as you get more bald, that is if you are, to remove the part from your hair and start to comb it straight back. If you like it short I'd recommend a shadow fade instead of a bald fade, because bald fades are high maintenance.

In terms of racial theories I find the European causasoids to be curious from the standpoint that they obviously don't believe their own shit [mythology & religion] anymore, which explains their curious attempted objectivity vis a vis the other races, hence the widespread enthusiasm for anthropological studies on college campuses throughout the western world. This sort of objectivity reveals that they are inherently deracinated themselves, and overly sure of themselves as well owing largely to their recent status as colonists throughout the third world, and moreover as developed countries surrounded by more traditional societies. So your concern that whites don't stick up for themselves has some foundation in reallity, and doubtless stems from the smugness arising from that formerly superior status. And yes, we will get our asses handed to us, as indeed we already have on several occasions when this colonial mentality outlived its usefulness and got us into trouble when we underestimated our adversaries, a process which continues apace today as well. So we're fucked. Maybe it won't matter if the human race survives long enough to move to another planet. Of course by then several millenia of interbreeding may have homogenized us all to the extent that we all end up looking alike, or sort of light brown. Keep those third world immigrants coming! After all, we don't have enough umemployment so let's import some more!

Baruch, whose family owned slaves!

I found this online...
'The press has downplayed the fact that the script was criminally obtained. But not only did these so-called critics receive something that had been illegally acquired, the stolen product that they used to make their quiver of poison arrows was obsolete and had already been significantly revised.

As Icon producer Steve McEveety tells me, the script “is not a true representation of the film. It was, and is, a work in progress, as any filmmaker would appreciate.”

McEveety also notes that the folks at Icon “respect everyone’s right to their opinion about the film.” But “no one has a right to publicly critique a film that has not even been completed, let alone base their critique on an outdated version of the script which has been illegally obtained.”'

Why attempt to describe what Vlad looks like?
The only poster on here [I assume] that you can
rightly describe the looks of is YOU.

Awww. Asoka., I thought you were typing advice from the heart for me. But you weren't.
Cite your sources, man.
http://www.osho.com/online-library-new-beginning-willingness-death-b98563ba-c15.aspx

Wagelaborer,

You describe elections as a circus yet you shill for Jill Stein. (I live in Massachusetts and voted for her when she ran for governor) Additionally, you have admitted to me on this site that you do indeed vote. So you clearly are in the category of "falling for it every time." There is more than a whiff of cognitive dissonance in the air around you.

Asoka, Finally someone quotes the truth behind all life in our little microsphere. Let's please drop the religious, political and racial bullshit. I thought this was a blog about sustainability. It has become a slur slingin' shithole. I was gonna separate myself from this crap. But " Just when I thought I was out, They pulled me back in!" Supernova anyone?

"We are stardust"
"Billion year old carbon"
We are golden
Caught in the devil's bargain
And we've got to get ourselves
back to the garden"

"they are inherently deracinated themselves, and overly sure of themselves as well owing largely to their recent status as colonists throughout the third world.....So your concern that whites don't stick up for themselves has some foundation in reality, and doubtless stems from the smugness arising from that formerly superior status. And yes, we will get our asses handed to us...."
-the resident submariner, on European whites-

That's good stuff, Marc.


"People will be leaving the USA in droves soon, perhaps to avoid radiation sickness ... and you will be left to get by as best as you can, clinging to your guns and your Bible."

Make your stand right where you are, there's no where else to go.

RT how be thee? Are you enjoying the balmy Bezerkshire winter? First winter in recent memory been able to continue to work outside this late in the season. I'm lovin it...

MD, I am not stupid. In the southwest I live three hours from an airport, two hours from an interstate, far from any population center that might be targeted, yet close to the Mexican border.

You say "make your stand." As far as I know, clouds of nuclear radiation cannot be fought. You simply die slowly from exposure. Staying in place to "make a stand" would be to commit suicide, which does not interest me.

You say "there's no where else to go." In the event of a nuclear attack, I am gone ... to the Andes (also far from any population center and far from Chavez' Venezuela) ... where I have everything in place to survive in style with papaya, mangoes, bananas, avocados, etc. and universal single payer health care for a one dollar co-pay with doctors trained in the USA.

You stay. You make a stand. Do battle with invisible radiation clouds. Good luck.


slightly wife I was wrong Please forgive me since I do not in the air slightly so slightly on the line several hundred people I swear I am not into playing semi temper slightly into


slightly wife I'm sorry I was wrong


Today I did something to my favorite wife is mad at something . . . I think slightly later regret the good wife all the good he gave me slightly and I do not shit all people . . . Cheng Cheng You're a big jerk . . .

; ;

"You stay. You make a stand. Do battle with invisible radiation clouds. Good luck."
-asoka.-

Yeah, OK, asoka., flee.
Can't say as I really blame you.
Good luck getting an airplane ticket after a nuclear attack on the US, though.

As for me:
In Dixieland, I'll make my stand
To live and die in Dixie.
"American Trilogy" -elvis presley-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOatBOsI6OA&feature=related
I've never been much of an Elvis fan, I'm a little too young. But he got American Trilogy completely perfect.
It's another song that ought to make the hair on the back of your neck stand up, just a little bit, if you'll really listen to it - and think about all the things that have brought the US to where we are, right now.

Vlad has bitch tits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gyvTV5OJ5E&feature=endscreen&NR=1

Here's a better HQ version.
Be sure you listen through to the end, when it wraps back around to "The Battle Hymn of the Republic"

OK, I'm done for the night.
CF on, you CF'ers!

Yeah, OK, asoka., flee.
Can't say as I really blame you.

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I am not to blame for the madness. But I cannot deny it exists. Therefore, I looked for a rational response.

Being on CFN for five years was not a waste of time. I was playing and entertaining my multitudes, but I was also absorbing information and preparing.

I now have a workable Plan B.

CORRECTION

Being on CFN for SEVEN years was not a waste of time. Only five years to go, if the internet lasts that long!

Dhaa. Or there is more than one Malthus, or just to see who would bite. Take your pick.

Money doesn't run out, it is just a proxy for relationships between people, for rules and regulations between people. That is why the FED can print trillions and just hand it all out to banks, no problem, the system is rich enough to back it all up with its imaginary "work" and jobs that potentially could be expressed by all of the millions of idle people worldwide. That is why the "gold standard" would simply kill of the economy completely, it would create an artificial scarcity (just like all of the Resource Scarcity Doomster wish and want there to be, because by saying that everything is running out, OIL is running out, there are too many people, etc. what they are really saying is that since this is how I "objectively describe reality", "reality becomes my description", I will force reality to abide to my description: if everyone believes that this is reality, reality becomes exactly this since reality is defined by the consensus people have on how they interpret it and how they define it, from a description language to a command language). Money, as a proxy for human relationships is infinite, just like "work" could be infinite (but most work today is useless, not needed, is just fluff).

No one is asking for the money from the wealthy, no one wants to take it away from them. That is what you think I want, but it is not, as far as I can see, and as far as I am concerned, they can keep their trillions, it makes no difference, it doesn't even make a blip on the radar, it is irrelevant how much the rich have. It is not a limited resource, in fact it is the opposite, a Technological Economy creates money automatically, by the boatloads, there is no need to take it away from anyone. But the dominating ideologies (both right and left and green) love to "personalize" economic affairs, love to set people against each other as in who has more, who robbed this, the other guy is a freeloader, etc. never really talking about the structure, the large scale, really "objective structure" of the economy. It is very convenient to talk about people and their behavior and "who has more" then center the discussion on the real large scale structures of the Technological Economy: because if you did, you would have to admit that it kills way more jobs than in creates, it would imply the only possible solution : scott free handouts to all and huge public private projects.

Anyways the "rich" have so much that even if they did give a large chunk of it away, it wouldn't even make a blip on their radar, they wouldn't even notice, we are talking about 100 trillion dollars worldwide that doesn't know what to do at all, do you have any idea how much cash they now have after hogging it up for decades (but it is not their fault, nor did they really ask for it, but the system automatically simply gives the money out to the already rich. They have billions, how on earth can they even spend it ? after you spend 10 million dollars on luxury cars and houses they still have hundreds of millions, and they don't even probably want that cash or give two c*cks and a d*ck about it anyways (but only as a status symbol, who has more just for fun).

The system is set up automatically to create inequality, you don't need 10 programmers, you need just one programmer who is very smart and who will work 20 hours a day, same for chip designers, biochemist, researchers, you name it, the system is not out to create jobs, but to eliminate as many as possible and hire only the best, the most "productive" and "competitive" (and rightly so, you would do the same thing) and those who will work the jobs of ten people or 20 hours a day, etc. This myth of job creation is totally false the invisible hand is just really the visible hand of getting as much a bang from a buck as possible and this implies the exact opposite of job creation: job destruction and hiring only the best. It goes without saying that out of a thousands Advance Services Information Workers only about a hundred are the best (oh yes, they deserve it and "worked hard for it" and nature was kind with them furnishing them with a top notch brain, I have seen it, there are people who are very quick and bright in math and chess games etc. nothing you can really do about it, it is pure inequality achieved from the outset, tough luck, oh but they say you can "work hard at it", well this is false, the smart ones (or workaholics ?) are simply smart (or have no problem working 20 hours a day, etc.) the lesser ones are simply lesser no matter how much effort they put in, that is the nature of things, and the corporations and powers that be know this).

So what are you going to do with the other 900 that are good but not "top" (or workaholics) ? tell them to go fly a kite ? tell them that the invisible hand of the market will hire them ? And especially if the top guns are working their best and their most efficiently, they are actually producing directly or indirectly for everyone given the huge amplifications and economies of scale the Technological Economy has structurally. Now extend this to hundreds of millions worldwide that need jobs and a house, do they all "have to work hard for it", when the system needs "hard work" like a hole in the head, and the entire idea of "hard work" is totally obsolete and just a puny cultural psychological relic of the 18th century that serves to make the losers feel guilty as in blame the victims ? And anyways the more those few million "top notch workers" work hard, the more they are producing for everyone, they are, and this ideology is creating even greater amplifications and economies of scale, but especially huge profits for the capitalists.

But it is all in vain, you will keep on saying, "it will never work", vlad will say "blacks rape", the other guy will say "don't pay the welfare queens", etc. etc. But what you say is actually what you want, you want it to be that way, just like everyone wants things to be exactly how they describe it, hence they reinforce the system as it is, they directly, by saying that it is "objectively like this", really mean "we will make it so that it will always be objectively like this", hence not a description language, but a "command language", etc.

Also, all of these debates are based on guessing what the effects of some social rules and politics are on large populations of independent free wills: obviously there is and will never be any way to know, free will really means totally unpredictable, totally without any possible pattern or rule, actually it really means whatever you predict, whatever logic you think will happen or is operating, I will contradict it just because, for fun, just to demonstrate my free will, to show you that I can do anything at all, and especially to demolish your imaginary "objective society" since society is never objective but just a set of quirky, pure subjectivities expressing themselves and contrasting and breaking as many rules and contradicting as many possible discernible patterns as possible: that which will always break any pattern as soon as a pattern becomes apparent.

One thing I think many people are totally unaware of is how the last 100 - 200 years were so extremely exceptional, how they were such a truly one time quirk combination of events that will never repeat again: first the discovery and application Electricity, then of OIL (huge amount of free energy), then the automobile, then airplanes, then TV, then computers, etc. All of that technical progress in such a short time, all of those huge game changers creating all of that new work and "growth" and consumerism, etc. This is where the myth of Innovation, Research and Education "creating jobs" really comes from: the standard economic model thinks that (or pretends ?) we will go through similar cycles all over again, but they are totally insane to think this: how on earth can there ever be another innovation so incredible as the discovery and application of Electricity or OIL or the automobile or jet planes, space travel, you name it!

Of course all of those new inventions and innovations created huge growth and millions of new jobs, but it can't ever be repeated again, no matter what, no matter how many new tablet designs or freckled face punk facebook web pages you invent. No way jose', but they keep on insisting in this miracle formula, that there are all of these innovations and game changers and breakthroughs and "killer applications" that will create entire new sectors with millions of jobs. Wishful thinking, no, the only thing you can do is decide how to apply the technology you have, since 90 % of the fairy tale story of technology has been achieved and it is mostly over now, now it is all politics and deciding what to do with what you have.

And what you have to do is build trillions of skyscrapers, rockets to mars and give out free salaries and cheap rents for huge luxury houses (to get the McMansion building economy running up again) to all.

But all of these debates are like debates between lawyers, everyone will always find a way around any other position, everyone will always defend a position, no matter how irrelevant, wrong or crazy, etc. After all the USA invaded Irak on no logical position whatsoever and everyone defended it, Hitler turned an entire nation into insanity and no one said anything, etc. It is all a debate between lawyers, no matter what anyone says, there will always be a perfect response that will contradict the other party perfectly.

Now, go on, say that "on the paper it looks good but it will never work" (what you really mean is that you and millions of others will never make it work, don't want to make it work and will always do everything they can to not make it work, will say that "objective reality" works according to your (or anyone's else random ideology) ideology, etc.).


That was from:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177835

in response to:

And I say you are forgetting human behaviorisms on a social level. On paper your way looks fine and should work but, reality is that it will lead to a tightly controlled country. Controlled by the very people that you want to take from. Does this country forbid people from leaving? Does this country tell you where to live and what work you are to do?
if you want to be a carpenter does this country say no, you are going to be an educator or street sweeper? Once you demand such release of wealth from the wealthy they will be given much much more cohntrol. They will make demands and those demands will have to be honored or the wealthy will destroy the wealth. Most wealth is tied up only in files not just hard assets. Take those files away and the wealth is gone. Close up plants ,burn them down and not file for insurance etc etc. The wealthy will destroy what they have before surrendering it. So either way, your way will not work. Either the wealthy will control even more or all will go into worse chaos. The latter would be the best for all concerned, even though many will lose.


Some correction for your thesis:

Money doesn't run out, it is just a proxy for relationships between people, for rules and regulations between people. That is why the FED can print trillions and just hand it all out to banks, no problem, the system is rich enough to back it all up with its imaginary "work" and jobs that potentially could be expressed by all of the millions of idle people worldwide. That is why the "gold standard" would simply kill off the economy completely, it would create an artificial scarcity (just like all of the Resource Scarcity Doomster wish and want there to be, because by saying that everything is running out, OIL is running out, there are too many people, etc. what they are really saying is that since this is how I "objectively describe reality", "reality becomes my description", I will force reality to abide to my description: if everyone believes that this is reality, reality becomes exactly this since reality is defined by the consensus people have on how they interpret it and how they define it, from a description language to a command language). Money, as a proxy for human relationships is infinite, just like "work" could be infinite (but most work today is useless, not needed, is just fluff).

No one is asking for the money from the wealthy, no one wants to take it away from them. That is what you think I want, but it is not, as far as I can see, and as far as I am concerned, they can keep their trillions, it makes no difference, it doesn't even make a blip on the radar, it is irrelevant how much the rich have. It is not a limited resource, in fact it is the opposite, a Technological Economy creates money automatically, by the boatloads, there is no need to take it away from anyone. But the dominating ideologies (both right and left and green) love to "personalize" economic affairs, love to set people against each other as in who has more, who robbed this, the other guy is a freeloader, etc. never really talking about the structure, the large scale, really "objective structure" of the economy. It is very convenient to talk about people and their behavior and "who has more" then center the discussion on the real large scale structures of the Technological Economy: because if you did, you would have to admit that it kills way more jobs than in creates, it would imply the only possible solution : scott free handouts to all and huge public private projects.

Anyways the "rich" have so much that even if they did give a large chunk of it away, it wouldn't even make a blip on their radar, they wouldn't even notice, we are talking about 100 trillion dollars worldwide that doesn't know what to do at all, do you have any idea how much cash they now have after hogging it up for decades (but it is not their fault, nor did they really ask for it, but the system automatically simply gives the money out to the already rich. They have billions, how on earth can they even spend it ? after you spend 10 million dollars on luxury cars and houses they still have hundreds of millions, and they don't even probably want that cash or give two c*cks and a d*ck about it anyways (but only as a status symbol, who has more just for fun).

The system is set up automatically to create inequality, you don't need 10 programmers, you need just one programmer who is very smart and who will work 20 hours a day, same for chip designers, biochemist, researchers, you name it, the system is not out to create jobs, but to eliminate as many as possible and hire only the best, the most "productive" and "competitive" (and rightly so, you would do the same thing) and those who will work the jobs of ten people or 20 hours a day, etc. This myth of job creation is totally false the invisible hand is just really the visible hand of getting as much a bang from a buck as possible and this implies the exact opposite of job creation: job destruction and hiring only the best. It goes without saying that out of a thousand Advance Services Information Workers only about a hundred are the best (oh yes, they deserve it and "worked hard for it" and nature was kind with them furnishing them with a top notch brain, I have seen it, there are people who are very quick and bright in math and chess games etc. nothing you can really do about it, it is pure inequality achieved from the outset, tough luck, oh but they say you can "work hard at it", well this is false, the smart ones (or workaholics ?) are simply smart (or have no problem working 20 hours a day, etc.) the lesser ones are simply lesser no matter how much effort they put in, that is the nature of things, and the corporations and powers that be know this).

So what are you going to do with the other 900 that are good but not "top" (or workaholics) ? tell them to go fly a kite ? tell them that the invisible hand of the market will hire them ? And especially if the top guns are working their best and their most efficiently, they are actually producing directly or indirectly for everyone given the huge amplifications and economies of scale the Technological Economy has structurally. Now extend this to hundreds of millions worldwide that need jobs and a house, do they all "have to work hard for it", when the system needs "hard work" like a hole in the head, and the entire idea of "hard work" is totally obsolete and just a puny cultural psychological relic of the 18th century that serves to make the losers feel guilty as in blame the victims ? And anyways the more those few million "top notch workers" work hard, the more they are producing for everyone, they are, and this ideology is creating even greater amplifications and economies of scale, but especially huge profits for the capitalists.

But it is all in vain, you will keep on saying, "it will never work", vlad will say "blacks rape", the other guy will say "don't pay the welfare queens", etc. etc. But what you say is actually what you want, you want it to be that way, just like everyone wants things to be exactly how they describe it, hence they reinforce the system as it is, they directly, by saying that it is "objectively like this", really mean "we will make it so that it will always be objectively like this", hence not a description language, but a "command language", etc.

Also, all of these debates are based on guessing what the effects of some social rules and politics are on large populations of independent free wills: obviously there is and will never be any way to know, free will really means totally unpredictable, totally without any possible pattern or rule, actually it really means whatever you predict, whatever logic you think will happen or is operating, I will contradict it just because, for fun, just to demonstrate my free will, to show you that I can do anything at all, and especially to demolish your imaginary "objective society" since society is never objective but just a set of quirky, pure subjectivities expressing themselves and contrasting and breaking as many rules and contradicting as many possible discernible patterns as possible: that which will always break any pattern as soon as a pattern becomes apparent.

One thing I think many people are totally unaware of is how the last 100 - 200 years were so extremely exceptional, how they were such a truly one time quirk combination of events that will never repeat again: first the discovery and application Electricity, then of OIL (huge amount of free energy), then the automobile, then airplanes, then TV, then computers, etc. All of that technical progress in such a short time, all of those huge game changers creating all of that new work and "growth" and consumerism, etc. This is where the myth of Innovation, Research and Education "creating jobs" really comes from: the standard economic model thinks that (or pretends ?) we will go through similar cycles all over again, but they are totally insane to think this: how on earth can there ever be another innovation so incredible as the discovery and application of Electricity or OIL or the automobile or jet planes, space travel, you name it!

Of course all of those new inventions and innovations created huge growth and millions of new jobs, but it can't ever be repeated again, no matter what, no matter how many new tablet designs or freckled face punk facebook web pages you invent. No way jose', but they keep on insisting in this miracle formula, that there are all of these innovations and game changers and breakthroughs and "killer applications" that will create entire new sectors with millions of jobs. Wishful thinking, no, the only thing you can do is decide how to apply the technology you have, since 90 % of the fairy tale story of technology has been achieved and it is mostly over now, now it is all politics and deciding what to do with what you have.

And what you have to do is build trillions of skyscrapers, rockets to mars and give out free salaries and cheap rents for huge luxury houses (to get the McMansion building economy running up again) to all.

But all of these debates are like debates between lawyers, everyone will always find a way around any other position, everyone will always defend a position, no matter how irrelevant, wrong or crazy, etc. After all the USA invaded Irak on no logical position whatsoever and everyone defended it, Hitler turned an entire nation into insanity and no one said anything, etc. It is all a debate between lawyers, no matter what anyone says, there will always be a perfect response that will contradict the other party perfectly.

Now, go on, say that "on the paper it looks good but it will never work" (what you really mean is that you and millions of others will never make it work, don't want to make it work and will always do everything they can to not make it work, will say that "objective reality" works according to your (or anyone's else random ideology) ideology, etc.).


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[quote="nameta9"]On parallel universes: I don't think that there can be an identical you at a certain distance (meaning after a certain number of combinations cycle through), because the exact specific combination creating you is distinct, unrepeatable, because it needs an infinite precision to describe, the complete description is infinitely long so to say, and I think that even changing one bit will make that you a radically different you no matter what. Hence the combinational game doesn't really work in reality.

Aside from the fact that there may be an infinite number of universes that are all stuck in only a few combinations (always however needing an infinite number of bits to describe, so the combinational cycle game will never work no matter what), that don't express all the possible combinations....

Of course infinity is used just as a proxy to mean something else really, some much deeper limitation, something that we can't conceive of, it is not only a question of large numbers (although that is a gross approximation) and also if there is an exact replica of you, then it is you, there is no need to count them as two distinct entities, they are counted as one, even if there are trillions of exact replicas, since a replica would be different even if it were at a slightly different distance form another replica...

[b]TOBOR ATE MAN[/b][/quote]

Aside from the fact that an exact replica would mean an item exactly in the same position and the same distance from all others, a kind of chess board matrix of reality repeated forever each box being exactly the same, with zero distance difference between each point, etc.

But the idea of large numbers or large numbers of configurations cycling through and expressing all possible states of reality is not accurate: it is as if the quantity, numerical aspect of the combinations, the long bits describing an item is just one aspect of an entity, like a multidimensional space but you are only looking at one dimension not aware of all of the others. But in this case, the other dimensions are not numerical - logical or mathematical, they are something else, but we have no way to decode them or be aware of them, in short they are completely out of our range and reach, we are not related in any way to them, we are oblivious to them.

Of course what I really want to say has nothing at all to do with what I said, it is just a very wrong, gross, nay, totally wrong explanation of what I want to say, it is 100 % totally unrelated to what I really mean, if I even really mean anything at all, go figure.

I think this is why the combinational game is limited in the end.

Stupid people are easily influenced to hate Dr Paul.

Unfortunately, there's some many of them.

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About the "External Reality", or "Objective Reality", etc. well, none of this really exists: the only thing that exists is the reciprocal conflict between will powers describing and forcing reality to abide to each will power's model. There is no external objective reality, only the reciprocal reality as perceived between two conflicting will powers, two (or more) people interacting and defining and creating a consensus on how to describe and interact in the common space called reality or society.

The only reality that exists is a reciprocally defined and compared model of reality between two minds, the Information Relationship, the Interaction, the reciprocal definition and interaction between two minds with the imaginary "external reality" as a stage.

When you realize that there is nothing absolute, no real rule or law, nothing at all but simply the quirky decisions of a quirky brain deciding what it wants to do, how it wants to interact, etc. and how all of these quirky, flukey brains interact, especially since we all know that Our Minds are Always Wrong, then you see why people need God and Religions and some kind of stable objective rules or structures to guide their choices and lives: it is just too much of a letdown and too violent to finally be aware that all depends on another random punk, his punky, useless, valueless values and minds and brains, his decisions, his choices which are also based on absolutely nothing at all.

Another reason why we need an Iron Fist Communist Dictatorship run by a Machine, a Computer that will decide for Man given that man is imperfect, is a pure punk, is a turd that can't decide for himself...


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How much Memory before you Forget ?

If the Universe has 10 ^ 120 particles, then it can be set up as a memory of all past events: it would be equal to 10 ^ 120 bits, but as usual, the infinite recursion of how you want to delimit each memory element (and how you want to delimit the Observer - Brain, a Brain can be light years large) can vary, etc. There is not much you can express with just one bit, maybe 4gb (like a dvd movie) can express more, the memory slots become slightly less, 10 ^ 108, but being such a huge number of memory slots, it is more than enough for you to remember any past events and stories, etc.

One interesting problem would be how long would it take to access a given memory slot from those particles that are delimited as the Observer, that are acting as the Brain. If the memory slot is far away, it may take light years. So, in the meantime that Brain would simply read another closer memory slot. But it would have to establish a queue of memory slots it wishes to visit (but it decides with its Free Willonium section ?). So even the sequence of memory slots that it wants to access, must be remembered and must be calculated according to where the memory is. But if you don't know something of the memory ahead of time, or at least a few bits of it, how can you know when to access it or where it is ?

Wow, a lot of thorny problems, a lot of vague situations...

But the memory slots that go "Beyond the Observable Universe" because of the expansion of the Universe become "Lost Forever", that poor Brain will never remember them again. In time all the memory slots will be lost beyond the horizon of the Observable Universe, maybe after 10 ^ 100 years.

Always that, in the meantime, the delimitation of particles acting as the brain remains in some form stable, coherent, etc.

This all brings me to conclude that there is nothing or no one keeping score of all of our memories (and then those memory slots would be for one Brain, but what about the thousands of trillions of other Brains, they want their memory slots too), there is no place to put them, reality could be turned into pure memory but then there would be no Brain available to visit them or the memories would be lost forever beyond the Twilight Zone....


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The real question remains, does logic cover all of our Physics, all of our Reality and Universe ? You can imagine two identical copies of a person, and maybe one is simply dead and the other is alive, but they are exactly the same physically, mathematically, in all possible measurements and physical measurements, 100 % identical, bar none, but there is no way to know or understand why one is alive and the other dead. So you can conclude using logic, that there is some kind of difference, some hidden difference that you can't observe. But maybe it is not so, that there is no hidden difference, nothing at all, that there is no logical reason, (since even a hidden difference would make for a logical difference, nay, a "logical relationship", hence logic (along with the identity principle and non contradiction) would still be covering all of Reality 100 %), one is simply dead, the other alive, the observation is the final explanation, nothing deeper or further, nothing else you can do.

To think something like that means that effectively, logic doesn't cover all of physics, but we can't even say this sentence since it still assumes some logic operating, hence we really can't say anything else, even though we can use the sentence as a gross approximation (but 100 % wrong and totally unrelated, go figure).

Anyways, there are other possibilities like for example even if the two are alive and perfectly identical there is no way that it can be measured completely, you would need to be both persons and decide if you are identical, but as soon as your are both you are no longer identical to either since you are a combination of both, and also you would need to make trillions of perfectly identical measurements of all atoms, electrons, quarks, whatever between the two persons and compare them and verify that they are perfectly equal up to many decimal points, something like 10^-20 (which is a huge feat for just one measurement), etc.

So maybe identical persons, equal situations and experiences are valid only for our mind and brain that decomposes all of reality into logic (without even having to measure everything exactly as logic can simply approximate things even grossly, for logic things are simply Information Relationships, bits, it doesn't matter what the precision is, just that it is a certain good enough configuration of relationships), bar none, since any sense organ event is always logic, is always a bit signaling presence or not presence, all of our experience is just a flow of millions of bits constantly informing us of our environment and our own state of mind, etc.

For our mind, brain, consciousness and experience everything is logic, but only for our mind. Reality may be much wider and deeper, but we are totally oblivious to it, even though, as usual, this sentence is 100 % wrong and what I wanted to say is not what I said, and everything I said is totally unrelated to what I wanted to say.

TOBOR AN 8 MAN

Buck & Bubble, them was some of the best posts on here last nite in quite a awhile.

Thanks. :)

Anyways, the choice is digital, either you demand scott free handouts and rockets to mars or you will fall into the trap your enemy sets up like when the OWSers and other unemployed etc. chant that they don't want the welfare state, or handouts, they want jobs: this is exactly what they want you to say, so that you create a condition that must be satisfied before they give you free money, but since that condition can never be satisfied, or they can play around with it, they can do anything they want as soon as conditions are set up to get money, you will never win, the 1 % will keep on getting richer, the 99 % poorer, all against all.

Also the green thugs are doing everything to kill our science fiction future which should have already been here: they are against modifying food genetically, they say it is dangerous, well who gives two c*cks and a d*ck! everything is risky and dangerous, if you don't want to modify the environment then just roll over and die, who cares what the risks are, we must move forward, same with atomic energy, all the fuss about the JAPAN accident, well, who cares! some people die, who cares, it is in the natural order of things, things work and sometimes don't, but we must go forward, build trillions of atom energy plants (it makes no difference if there are accidents and millions die, it is irrelevant), rockets to mars, fake food, you get the idea, manipulate nature to death, don't protect nature religiously, green thugs, tree huggers. Scaredy cat, pua, pa pa pa , you mairs, you fairys, pua pa pa pa ...chickens, pua pa pa

AN APE

"slightly wife I was wrong Please forgive me since I do not in the air slightly so slightly on the line several hundred people I swear I am not into playing semi temper slightly into


slightly wife I'm sorry I was wrong


Today I did something to my favorite wife is mad at something . . . I think slightly later regret the good wife all the good he gave me slightly and I do not shit all people . . . Cheng Cheng You're a big jerk . . .

; ;"

Poetry!....True poetry!!! It brings a tear to ones eye. If only Vlad could have a lover like this...

But wait, where is the fake LV bags Y copy Gucci boots?

;)

Greedy Bastards

Last night I went to a Dylan Ratigan discussion with Deepak Chopra and Arianna Huffington at ABC Carpet . It was also a webcast where people watching in real time could respond on twitter.

Ratigan has just come out with his book "Greedy Bastards" and this discussion, though not a book signing was to break out the book through the discussion of getting corporate money out of politics and starting a movement to overturn the Supreme court decision on Citizen's United though constitutional amendment.

Ratigan ties in this movement with the OWSers and sees this as a way toward activism. Chopra concentrates on how cultural greed feeds into our present political mess. Much of what he sees as democratic process as auction on who can buy the presidency with the most money is how he sees the corruption manifested.

Huffington concentrated on the balkanization of America and how we have less upward mobility than in Europe, now and some 3rd world countries.

As this was going on the New Hampshire folks spoke. They voted for Romney and vulture capitalism that makes the situation worse. Nothing like awareness…Corporations are people too.

The conclusion I came to is that I would have gotten more from the discussion had I stayed home and watched it on my computer, but hey the wine and veggies were good.

Observable Universe ?

There is another limit to the observable universe not related to the cosmological expansion of the universe and the signals being so far that they can't be captured anymore because they exceed the speed of light, etc. And namely, the signals are too close. If the signal is too close, then you are inside the signal and you can no longer distinguish it, it is no longer part of the "outside universe". There may also be other limitations such as the signal may jump from point A to point C but skip point B, and if you are the Observer at point B, you will never be able to receive the signal, at maybe 10 ^ - 40 m, the planck distance...etc.

Go on, invent some other model where the observable universe cannot be observed because it is "too close".

Close to The Edge...

Kewl! (Yep, it works.)
Squirrel chasin', eh?
I was going to give you a few text tips for the... HEY, LOOK, a squirrel!!

As my boss used to sing in his pickup truck (sing it along with me now, Everybody!):

"I'm a squirrel squasher,
I'm a squirrel squasher;
Squashin' squirrels all day...
Hey, hey, hey..."

(To the tune of "I'm a Girl Watcher")

"The opposite of consumption is not frugality. It is generosity." Raj Patel

We have been consuming laws instead of being lawful. We have been consuming resources instead of being resourceful.

It is time to pay the piper. Dieoff will commence soon enough. Peak Oil and Peak Everything is evident in Nome, Alaska, where the Coast Guard is struggling to bring fuel to a community full of people who lived on seal blubber and whale oil for millenia, but suddenly, they must have petroleum.
WTF?
The politicians...well...let's just say it's best to turn off your TV and go outside for a while. Maybe start digging that outhouse pit you've been considering with the composting levels built into it. Wanna borrow my backhoe before the fuel runs out?
Beans, books, bullets. See your local hardware store for seeds and shovels.
You might want to stock up on shoes, too. The good leather ones for working, and some Neatsfoot oil to keep them pliable.
It's time people learned to be useful.

"It seems to me that Depression era individuals understood the value of the collective on a visceral level. The union movement, the demands of the Depression, the lack of a nursing home industry - all of these realities contributed to a distinct type of idiosyncratic American social consciousness. Once in a while, a person can still cross paths with one of these types from the older generation, but it is becoming increasingly rare. Instinctively, though, many people sense something amiss among the bombastic quest for mass celebrity status. More Woody Guthrie please, and less Jennifer Lopez. " -Buck S.

I "inherited" a large dose of this mind-set from my family and their close acquaintances. Fortunately (or unfortunately, as the case may be), I also inherited a distaste for celebrity worship and the cult of personality. I'm not sure the two go hand in hand, but possibly?

Tegmark, 8Man, Old6699;

Keep those crazy, verbose, iconoclastic manifestos coming. I think I speak for the entire CFNation when I say we enjoy them immensely.

--WSP7

Nuhckin' Futz, ain't it?
I'm taking advantage of it too, but I'm also waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Will we get a righteous hammering in February and March? We may get a good spanking with the size and duration of storms these days...

I agree with your sentiments.

As an aside:
My very first thought on the fuel [non]shipment to Nome was, "What the fuck are folks who need diesel doing THERE, fer the luv-a-mike?!?"
Oh, that's right, I guess they sold off their mineral rights and ancient skills for the "better life" that the Great White Father promised to provide. Fine trade.

Yes, I can now crack walnuts between my thumb and "scrolling" finger alone! Good workout. ;o)

One last note.
Now is the time to buy yourself a good well-built guitar. They've become incredibly cheap for high quality. Entertaining oneself will become a satisfying diversion once again. (Not that much outlay in $ for something that will last you a lifetime, and perhaps your chir'rens too if treated with a bit of care and a good hard-shell case.)
Stock up on strings too.

And now, I'm fresh out of bad advice.

I hadn't heard such rumors. Do you put any stock in them? What if he is gay? Would you vote for a gay male or female president? Would it be a deal breaker?

I think there's some serious problems that have to be dealt with and IMO the less time spent on stuff like this the better. Like: how much time did the boys and girls in the White House have to piss away over the issue of whether Obama was foreign born?

did i miss confirmation of the deletion of our Q-check? i ve seen it mentioned that he has disapeared before, and that he supposedly left instructions for last words...?

"Why should I? You already said you wouldn't accept anything unless it was from a source you believed - orthodox, court historians."
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Ah yes....the court historians. Those fiendish types who rely on historical documents and research, and not just on whatever fevered nonsense might currently be perculating between their ears.

"Let's not try to run before you can walk. Before I try and track down obscure sources, do you believe that there is a plot to dissolve the border between Mexico and the United States? Or that there was a plot to turn Europe in Eurabia?"
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That's right.....I need to be able to run off the cliff of irrationality before most of your statements would be more than laughable. Why!.....every morning there is a plot by the army of bacterial flora in my intestines to create a great big turd that I must then flush down the toilet.....to God knows where? What exactly are "they" doing to my feces, and are the jews involved? The unanswered questions just boggle the mind.

Actually, there are quite a few sources on line regarding the plots by the Rothschilds to take over America. Of course, most of those sources also believe we are controlled by alien reptilian overlords....but hey....who knows, right?

Face it Vlad, on the issues to which you are so demonstrably blind, you are in exactly the same category as Metuselah. Batshit crazy.

Batshit crazy.
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I suppose Samuel Morse (inventor of the telegraph and the Morse code) was also batshit crazy, because he authored not one but two books, saying exactly what I'm saying. He detailed the conspiracy in great detail, and everything that he has warned about has basically come true. Read his books! What are you so afraid of?

The Real 99 Percent - YouTube
- http://goo.gl/pvH3s

"What exactly are "they" doing to my feces, and are the jews involved? The unanswered questions...."
-dale-

Dale, surely you are aware that your fecal material contains a wealth of information about you. Medications taken, dietary habits, general health condition - it's all there. Not to mention, unknown numbers of your own living cells, each with a complete copy of your own genotype - for further study. Or, how about, cloning?

You can't be too careful on trips from now on.
Bush wasn't. This is from HuffPost, so we know it's true.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-krassner/excrement-in-the-news_b_24536.html

I hope Obama is being careful on trips, too. I'd hate to see the destabilizing influence of a perfect Obama clone, in 35 years, when the clone could run for president.
Talk about your anti-anti-Christ?

Please don't substitute criticism and doubt for lack of knowledge altogether. - turkle

What I'm arguing FOR is SCIENCE. I'm arguing against IGNORANCE. I'm arguing in favor of having SCIENTIFIC issues argued and researched openly and fairly.

So what do I make of this issue of global warming or anthropogenic climate change blunting a glacial advance? I think that the apparent lack of discussion on this issue smacks of a couple of things: 1) incompetence on the part of the scientific community in its collective failure to identify, research and discuss such an obvious issue 2) a collective timidity on the part of this same community.

Incompetence I can forgive. I've fucked up enough in my own life.

But what would seriously bother my ass is if timidity was the cause for this huge miss ie if scientists were intimidated by their peers or superiors into silence or if leaders in university faculties were active in suppressing discussion of uncomfortable issues. Issues that might give ammo for those arguing against taking action on carbon emissions.

I'm realistic enough to know that politics invades science. People are political animals, they make alliances, take sides, get emotional when others take opossing stances. And that includes scientists.

But science has to be about FACTS and scientists can't be held hostage by political agendas. I'm not saying that that's what's happening here because I don't know. But it sure smells that way.

I don't know that concern for a looming ice age is a peripheral issue. Glaciation advance and recession IMO is the big kahuna of climate change. Understanding the phenomena IMO is absolutely central to understanding climate. And so is understanding the intersection of human activity and natural climatic processes.

I've heard that this is "settled science". That rankles me. IMO NO science can ever be "settled science". ALL issues of science have to be open to re-examination and argument.

Hey Hancock1863! Hancock! What do you think of Metuselah's use of the Vatican as the driver of the Grand Unifying Conspiracy Theory - that we are looking for?

Well, given that we can never know (maybe posterity will, but even that is a longshot) for sure, what else can I say but that I suppose it's a possibility.

This is the problem with living in totalitarian information control, whether it be classical forms or the newfangled Ed Bernays Inverted Totalitarianism methods.

We know SOMETHING is going on and that it is likely well-beyond and opposite of what TPTB and their various organs "tell" us is going on.

But, without a free press, without at least some significant law enforcement (LE) that dares to have integrity in the face of raw power, without all the rest, we can never even get a whiff of the truth.

And, if in the past at the height of the former USA (1945-1980), all we got was a whiff of the REAL, highest-level human truth...

(like this)

http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/bushwarning.jpg

...then it is likely more than any nation gave it's own serfdom.

Having said all that, Met's whole thing is that, no matter what, Israel is 100% morally spotless in every situation. Since no nation or people are like that, right there it's a huge hole in the theory.

Plus, every piece of contraditory evidence is blowharded away with the cry, "Vatican/CIA propaganda!"

Which again proves the similarities in authoitarian personalities.

A Nazi would reply to contradictory evidence, "Jewish propaganda!" and dismiss it out of hand.

A Fox Newser would reply to contradictory evidence, "Liberal propaganda!" and dismiss it out of hand.

A 1975 Soviet Comrade would reply to contradictory evidence, "Capitalist propaganda!" and dismiss it out of hand.

Since I am of the opinion that authoritarian personalities, for reasons discussed ad infinitum here, are literally the farthest from any human truths and the last to know, it's difficult to lend credence to a theory with such intellectually odious "logical" underpinnings emanating from such a non-conscious bunch.

Doubly so, given a philosophy that admits zero possibility of deviation, modification or alternative explanations.

Is the Vatican corrupt as hell (pun intended)? Almost 100% certainty. We can see by observing their actions and deceptions versus their pretty words.

Is American CIA, the HS, other intelligence orgs and Ruling Class equally as corrupt? Also near 100% certainty, also.

Is Mossad and the Israeli Ruling Class also equally corrupt? Also near 100% certainty. Google Avigdor Lieberman if you've never heard of him. Now THERE'S a guy who, like Dick Cheney, could have easiy fitted into the Nazi command structure without changing an iota of his personality (only his racial heritage, I suppose).

My guess is they and other 0.01% aristocrats are ALL in on "it", to one degree or another. But that's all it is...a guess.

Whatever "it" actually is - from Alien Space Lizards to just a multicultural Global Aristocratic uncoordinated mash of coincidental interests and evolutionary survival imperatives on a sinking Titanic of a world about to undergo mass dieoff and a Dark Ages reset (in the best case scenario), and every theory in between.

If there is a grand unifying aspect, it's probably something as pedestrian as wealth, power, sociopathy and ruthless disregard for other "inferior" humans, thinking of us as talking dogs or cattle. If their is any unifying racial aspect of it, it's probably White European (including Ashkenazi Israel), but that has more to do with technological prowess and skyrocketing energy availability leading to control of others' resources that catapulted White Europe to world domination, starting in the 16th Century or so and I bet other races/religions would have behaved the same way had they reached the technological heights before White European Aristocracy.

Here's a bit of history: the Chinese rebelled against the Brits for the right NOT to have their nation flooded with British opium. They lost. Therefore, it is no stretch to think that America, the de facto and literal inheritor of the British Empire, would not hesitate and has not hesitated to do the same. It's Anglo-American tradition to weaken target groups by getting them addicted to debilitating, narcotic subtances.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars

Thus, I am pretty sure that Gary Webb had it right about the CIA and crack in inner cities. Maybe they didn't invent it, but they made sure that the supply spigots were flowing with the USA stamp of approval. Just like Native Americans being "alocoholized". Profits were made and the interests of the 0.01% were futhered.

Same as today. Afghanistan is Opium Central Station now after the Taliban drastically reduced production in the late 90s, all thanks to the former USA, and that's no coincidence, either.

Now look what you did. Now doofus is going to shriek "VaticanCIAJihadi propagandist!" and other nonensical blather.

I'll say it again ProgorCons. You spend WAAAAY to much time responding to Resident Impediment and the rest of CFNs Clown Brigade, and all of it pointless. I occasionally lapse but you make a daily habit of it.

RI himself has admitted numerous times that he is using you for entertainment purposes, yet you still keeping coming back for more. Met is almost certainly doing the same, or feeding his own mental illness, which amounts to the same thing from your perspective.

That's not the rational intellectual discussion you seek, so why encourage more of it?

You aren't going to change them - why waste time, especially as much time as you typically do on their nonsense.

Finally, after writing this, it occurs to me to ask you to please not drag me in future into discussions you're having with CFN's Clown Brigade.

I am happy to discuss just about anything with you, but just don't link it to the clowns, which only emboldens them and cause them to be more mentally diarrhetic.

This blog already has a big enough problem with that for you to feed it so frequently.

Wage,

Thanks for your response and apologies for my late reply - I just now saw it.

I presume distributions of funds to the top 20% will have some sort of regional requirement? At a No Child Left Behind model seems very problematic, almost an incentive to avoid treating the most chronic and difficult cases so as not to bring down a rating. At least that is how I am reading it but maybe I am wrong.

...the one crucial thing is to demonstrate to the whole world that it is Washington's hand that controls the spigot and no one else... EH

Yep, show to the world whose johnson is bigger.

If I was a betting man I'd bet that the interest of oil producing countries and the kleptos that control them is in keeping the spigots open and keeping the billions flowing in. After all, you can never have too many mansions, Mercedes, Ferarris, yachts, gold bars etc...After all they want to show how big their johnsons are too, not just American leaders.

I think that the effort and expense of the US in producing fleets of megabuck warships and jet fighters is a huge waste. Not only are they militarily ineffective as the debacles in Iraq and Afghanistan (and Vietnam for that matter) have amply shown but the oil princes would be happy as can be to keep the spigots open. So why bother? Why put on display American military impotence and ineptitude?

Evangelicals across the land are tuning in to right wing conservative radio to sing the praises of Tim Tebow - Halleluiah! These holy rabid zealots, who never miss a chance to invoke Christ and "God" are the same twisted hypocrites who fight tooth and nail against a equitable health-care system. Indeed it is the pathological malignancy that has divided America further and further into nation of have-nots. If you have a health care provider issue, get down on your knees and pray more. Think I am engaging in hyperbole and exaggeration? Just have a peek at the below letter to the editor:

"God and Tim Tebow are working together in wonderful and mysterious ways. Sports fans already saw divine providence with the St. Louis Cardinals in the fall. I don’t have any problem believing the same kind of result is possible for the Broncos after watching Sunday’s game."

Wow, HC, long answer to a short question, hey?

Actually, you hit a couple of good points, and I'll post out a longer response later this evening.
Gotta run, now.

And as regards the CFN Clown Brigade (tm hancock)
I try, man, I really try, not to.
But it is soo much fun to make them come piling out of their clown cars - and to watch them pour gasoline on their own smoldering fires.

Besides, what else are we going to do around here when things get slow? I've gotten tired of running Chinese spam through Google Translate. ;0(

"Stock up on strings too." Hey O3 a few years back I made a huge score on strings at a music store supplier. a coupla' dozen each of six and twelve string sets. Problem is my twelve string sets are still cool except I only have a couple of High "G" strings left. Those sons of bitchs i can't seem to keep in one piece! WTF? Ham fist sum uf a bitch I am!

Sorry.

These are extremely complex concepts, plus I have no talent for brevity.

"So why bother? Why put on display American military impotence and ineptitude?"

Though I know you don't like to explain everything in terms of money, it is really quite simple. Large defense contractors make a lot of money from the production of expensive war gear, like jets and ships. When there is enough money involved, people will do almost anything. Many of the top-level staff in these companies are former military or government types, who then lobby the government to make all these purchases. They capture the legislative branch by spreading around the production of the components to as many Congresional districts as possible. They need wars to get rid of the old equipment by blowing it up, to make room for the new stuff, or as an excuse for better/faster toys.

Did you think there was another, better explanation?

Bravo Prog, you nailed Dale. These people work so hard to make Conspiracy Theorists look like fools that they humiliate themselves. Dale is completely a creature of the Establishment - and probably always has been. Nothing is real to him until his superiors say that it is. Then he goes into his big bullshit bluster act that he was on it from the begining. I can see him as a little boy kissing his teacher's ass, always giving them exactly what they want. And as a college student getting straight A's without ever even the stirring of an original thought.

And take Dee. Her posts reveal nothing about me but volumes about her. Yesterday she revealed the contempt she has for poor working men - even ones who perform valuable work. Now virtually all women share these same "values" but most of them have the sense to hide it on sites like this.

Rhino, I find it disingenuous that you question the entire concept of Climate Change and Global Warming simply because your pet concern of a new Ice Age has (supposedly) not been included into the results. As I've stated before, the Ice Age cycle is a long one, around 40,000 years, and the effects of human pollution on the atmosphere are rather immediate by comparison, on the time scale of 100-150 years, at a (probable) maximum. The basic argument of the climate scientists is that humans have caused a global average temperature rise over the last 100 years, which is clearly supported by the data, plus the ancient historical correlation between temperature and CO2 levels. So if there is an incoming Ice Age, the effects of Climate Change have counter-acted and then surpassed it. And that's a pretty big 'if'.

I agree that, in general, scientific results should be open to reinterpretation, addition, and discussion, but not just by any old Joe Shmoe. I don't trust laymen to do this, as they tend to be misinformed and run with whatever pet critique they read on some blog that day. You kind of seem like a case in point with your bogus concerns about new Ice Ages. I'm not going to tell you how to fix the plumbing in your house, because I'm not a plumber. Similarily, why do so many people think they have the right to critique scientific results in a field where they have little to no real expertise or understanding? When scientists in a certain field of inquiry reach a consensus of 90-99%, I'm not going to question their findings unless I have very good information to the contrary and/or have studied the issue in-depth myself. That's because these results are (generally) reached through a rigorous system of peer-review and reproducible experiments, not pulled out of thin air.

It reminds me of the Intelligent Design camp who say that evolution couldn't possibly have lead to our current physical structure. Okay, well how could they know this? Are they evolutionary biologists? Nope, just another pack of morons with misinformed opinions. You know the one about opinions and a certain orifice and how everyone has one? ;)

Your examples prove that man is a fallen being. We need religion to guide us. I know that they become corrupt too, but at least we get some mileage out of them before that happens.

I commend you for being willing to talk about the Jews. Most here are too busy genuflecting to ever really look at what they do. Now if you could only look at Blacks....

In any case, different groups don't get along. Thus Empires are always unstable. The Austro-Hungarian Empire was a dead man walking. A disaster waiting to happen and then it happened. The United States is the same - filled with groups that hate each other. There will be a group for you too: Whites who hate other Whites and "believe" that other races are better. But how will you defend yoursleves against the other races who come to take what is your's? By going against your false principles, that's how. My group wont have that problem, nor will any of the non White groups.

"We need religion to guide us."

Speak for yourself, pea brain.

If Obama was foreign born he's not the president. Duh. And btw in case you care, nobody familiar with valid documents believes the piece of crap they finally produced as a birth certificate. The evidence is clear that he was not born in America. Evidently he also got the kind of financial aid that foreign student get as well.

Oh, right, Vlad's a birther, too. What a big surprise there...

"In any case, different groups don't get along."

People in the same group can not get along, too, Vladdie. Every nation is like a mini-empire, anyways. The idea that political groupings should or could be 100% homogenous in terms of race and belief is a fantasy of your little mind.

"My group wont have that problem"

Why are you assuming that anyone wants to be in a group with you at all? Judging from how you get along with people on the internet, I'm guessing you're not exactly the most popular guy.

"I "inherited" a large dose of this mind-set from my family and their close acquaintances. Fortunately (or unfortunately, as the case may be), I also inherited a distaste for celebrity worship and the cult of personality. I'm not sure the two go hand in hand, but possibly?"

I'm not sure. Some people of merit are naturals in the limelight and for whatever reason their lives fascinate us. Others attempt to mimic these people and construct a false atmosphere of adulation and celebrity and come off as nothing but ridiculous. A prime example of this is Facebook, where page owners are now Walter Cronkite, Howard Cosell, Dick Clark, Rush Limbaugh and Lao Tze all rolled into one, and this is just the older generation. Our parental mass media has turned the nation into a simpering, preening group of baby pageant imbeciles.

"...plus I have no talent for brevity."

Excuse me, sir. How do I get to Carnegie Hall?

Practice.

See, I have a story about tennis matches with my Muslim friends. They're not matches, they're Crusades. But, I'm not gonna put it out there until it's ready. If you start to ramble....

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Man, you done properly violated a perfectly good pop song.

Send me a chart would'ja?

"We know SOMETHING is going on and that it is likely well-beyond and opposite of what TPTB and their various organs "tell" us is going on."

The problem with methuselah's theory is simply, Why would a group that had control of what they make up out of nothing to mislead and manipulate the populace, write stuff that condemns in plain language all the stuff they are doing? IOW: Wouldn't it be smarter to remove these warnings about following the commandments and doctrines of men and replace them with "the love of tyrants is the beginning of wisdom" or "bow down and worship the leaders that God has placed over you" or "make contracts and agreements with the ungodly and they will protect you and keep you from harm" or "I have given them the power of life and death over you and your children, trust them, therefore..."

When you have actually read and studied the scriptures they show forth as a system of law where restitution and justice are perfected, not immediately and sometimes not without pain, but in learning righteousness men are conformed to reality, a harsh mistress, ready to chastise.

Wouldn't it be smarter to remove these warnings about following the commandments and doctrines of men and replace them with "the love of tyrants is the beginning of wisdom" or "bow down and worship the leaders that God has placed over you" or "make contracts and agreements with the ungodly and they will protect you and keep you from harm" or "I have given them the power of life and death over you and your children, trust them, therefore..."

Too ham-fisted. You're not thinking in terms of advertising and PR. Our aristocracy and their priest/rabbi/imam/etc. mouthpieces knew in days of old that they couldn't manipulate people by being straightforward.

Mass and behavioral psychology ala Bernays et al has proven these intuitions conclusively.

Legitimacy is conferred by authority. Wealth, power, and popularity come to mind as form of legitimacy-generating "authorities".

Once conferred, the longer it survives over time and generations, inertia sets in as does the phenomena of people clinging to discredited or illogical ideas simply because it's too painful to admit they've been taken for fools.

How much worse over time does that phenomena prevent uncomfortable questions, when it becomes, "not only have I been a fool, but my parents, and their parents and their parents..."

Plus, add the sheer raw physical brute power religion has consistantly brought to bear with torture, rapine, and murder for any who dare question (Spanish Inquisition, anyone? Burning, stoning and shunning, anyone?), then it becomes very easy to see how various sorts of bunkum survives and thrives over time.

Not that I am certain one way or another of the eistance of God. The only think I am sure of is that no barely-evolved monkey ever born has any idea, not...even...close...of whatever, if any, the ultimate universal truths are.

Whatever the ultimate universal truths are, scientific or otherwise, they are so far beyond we poop-throwing chimps probably even to conceive of their shape, let alone understand them fully.

That's what I believe, but I digress. Your point ignores 8000 years of psychological manipulation (intuitively understood by aristocratic sociopaths long before Uncle Siggy and Nephew Eddie codified the mental nuclear bombs that now carpet bomb our species' mind daily).

Religion, like other forms of psychological manipulation of human frailties and needs, depends mostly on two related prongs of attack.

1) Dependant on the subject/victim being gullibly unaware that they are being manipulated.

2) Therefore, the manipulation cannot be straightforward as you postulate because it leads back to the breaking of Rule 1), reducing or destroying the effectiveness of the manipulation.

IOW: No religion could survive by telling anything even close to the truth about it's underlying intentions, nor could any aristocracy.

I'll tell you what I told ProgorCons: If you want to better understand the secular world in which we live, including all organized religions, who's primary purpose is and always has been the expansion of secular aristocratic power in addition to it's own, then you need to understand better the sciences of mass and behavioral psychology, as well as the methods of advertising, marketing and PR.

At this time in history, Planet Earth runs on little else besides those things and financial fraud, at least as far as the aristocracy goes.

You might want to start with Nephew Eddie Bernays seminal work, "Propaganda". It was written in the 1920s, but it's precepts are still followed today and it's callous attitudes towards we peasant-cattle describe the every unchanging attitudes of the aristocracy and their henchpersons towards we peasant-cattle.

Jammer?

Another New Englander?

That makes about an even half dozen. Our numbers are growing. Watch us as we gather strength.
--WSP7

Hey guys!

Another Israeli-American terrorist attack in Iran!

I am so very proud.

http://www.countercurrents.org/aj110112.htm

Panetta let slip on Meet The Press last week that Iran isn't trying to build a nuclear bomb, but the sad truth is that they would be better off if they did.

Why?

1) Appeasement never works against totalitarian nations like Israel and the former USA, doubly so when they are bent on world domination, even the PR-designed Inverted Totalitarianism-RW Corporate Socialist world domination these nations practice. Because at bottom, totalitarian bullies with better PR and plausible deniability are still the same as their more brutal predecessors, like Nazi Germany, and will eventually seek their base level when the "gentler persuasion" methods like targeted assassinations are no longer enough, especially against their own wholy deserving citizenry.

2) Recent history has shown that a possessing a nuclear bomb is the ONLY thing that will stop terror merchants like America and Israel from attacking a nation with resources to steal.

Not that I am suddenly siding with Iran, it's just that there clearly are no "good guys" in these fights, just a bunch of sociopathic assholes playing their usual games of grab-ass and now securing the final resources on the Titanic as it starts to shake and list severely.

By default, Iran is a bit more sympathetic simply because any victim of any stronger bully getting the crap knocked out of him is a more sympathetic character than the asshole bully doing the beating (or in this case, terrorist murders).

I have no illusions, though: Iran would probably behave identically if they had the technical, psychological, propagandstic, economic and military power of the Americo-Israeli Plausibly Deniable Empire, were the roles were reversed.

"Oh, what a brave new world, that has such people in it!"
--William Shakespeare, "The Tempest"

"And take Dee. Her posts reveal nothing about me but volumes about her. Yesterday she revealed the contempt she has for poor working men - even ones who perform valuable work. "

AS someone once said, 'There you go again', twisting my words with your own interpretations. I think that what I have said about you reveals volumes. You are a low life, probably and ex con, in a minimum wage job. I have contempt for YOU, not the job, as sadly, it probably the only one you can get with your record. And Buck thinks the highest of trash-pickeruppers. You are a sad, pathetic little (and small dicked)man.

Fortunately, there is probably not a woman in the world dumb enough to actually breed with you, thank the Goddess for that. You you and your ideas will die out, forever to be forgotten.

So long Big Loser, the only thing you are good at.

;]

Rino, why are you so obsessed with the Ice Ages?

Even global warming, man made or otherwise will only delay the next one by a few thousand years. Do you expect to be around then, in your current body?
I don't think so. So why worry about it?
Without global warming, it happens a couple thousand years sooner. So what? You will be long, long, long dead by then. Probably so will the human race.
Are you trying to show some kind of 'future compassion' for whatever species inherits the earth after we are gone? Good luck with that.

;)

You must think that we enjoy reading the same history lessons over and over and over and over...

etc.

Get a clue, ya swarthy fuckin' heathen.

Sincerely,

Golda Meir

No religion could survive by telling anything even close to the truth about it's underlying intentions

Very sloppy statement.

"Religion" has at least nine definitions, given by Wilber in The Sociable God. For example, is your statement directed at both exoteric religion and esoteric religion?

You needn't feel compelled to reply, since you do not want to encourage the CFN Clown Crowd. I just wanted to point out a flaw in your monolithic RWA thinking.

BTW, circuses and clowns are being unfairly denigrated by your remarks. In any event, you are always welcome in CFN Clown World.

And then there's you. The person who wants to chastises America (by definition multi-cultural) for not being multi-cultural enough. Wanna hang out with me in East LA? How about south Chicago. How about Bed-Sty?

Obviously, he meant the institutions of religion, with their associated priests and officials, which you could easily tell from the context, if you weren't so busy being unnecessarily pedantic.

That's how language works. The meaning of words is constrained by the other words that surround them. If that wasn't the case, how would you be able to read these sentences at all without being completely confused? Many words have multiple meanings, but we don't feel the need to specify which definition is being used, because this is usually obvious from how the word is used in context.

So stop being such a git, soka! ;)

"BTW, circuses and clowns are being unfairly denigrated by your remarks."

LOL. Won't someone think of the carnies!

"Wanna hang out with me in East LA? How about south Chicago. How about Bed-Sty?"

Sure...you bringing the booze?

You bringin' the bullets?

Dee,

Not forgetting. Will LA and SD be able to support the millions there today fifty years from now? Probably not. Will there still be a lot of people there? Yes, almost certainly. El Norte will eventually become a desert culture, but that'll take a century or more to happen, and key strategic areas like Los Angeles and San Diego will still be around, though diminishing every decade. Gamechangers could include advancing desalination plants, which will exchange offshore oil production for water.

Outside of the LA metro-area, however, I expect a very different picture. Scottsdale will be gone in thirty years. Las Vegas in forty. Las Vegas grew as a "safe place to sin", a place to put all the gambling casinos, prostitutes, and night clubs during the 1940s and 50s. Gambling now has become fairly wide spread, prostitution an increasingly unenforced "victimless crime", and booze is available everywhere. As the Colorado River dries up, the cost of maintaining the city goes up. It has the advantage of wide areas for solar, but without water, the city will die.

Ditto for Scottsdale, which is attractive primarily to the elderly. As mobility decreases (one of the consequences of Peak Oil) the idea of moving out into the middle of the desert to spend the rest of your life will become increasingly seen as delusional.

My suspicion is that over the course of the next twenty years, you'll see a great deal of "white flight" from these two areas as infrastructure and social services collapse, and probably the same from Los Angeles. Already more and more of "Hollywood" exists in the areas around San Francisco's tech sector, and as that trend continues, you'll see greater migration of the financial apparatus (producers and studios) move as well. I'd put the "center" of Hollywood near Berkeley, where Pixar is now.

What will be left will be Mestizo.

So stop being such a git, soka! ;)

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I just cain't hep it, missah turkle. Pedagogy be in my blood.

What will be left will be Mestizo.

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We all mestizo, massah kurt. Ain't no pure bloods to be found no-where no-how.

We all mixed race and gots at least one drop non-white blood. Don't you be foolin' you self now. Blood just liquid. Dem neurotransmitters and hormones don't have no color anyways.

Race be a political psychological construct for dem right‐wing authoritarians who desire social dominance.

"Legitimacy is conferred by authority."

Claiming authority is not the same as having authority. Obama has claimed to have authority to do the things Bush started doing and has now passed NDAA to legalize it, and attempt to give it legitimacy. We know that all such authority expressed through Law must be in conformance to higher Law. IOW, you cannot make up laws that do away with previous laws that explicitly deny the authority to do so. One must pretend that all laws are of homo sapien origin to replace them with new ones. This is the element of metusalah's theory I reject, because no matter how subtle, one is still usurping authority if one rebels and rewrites the laws. We were not given the authority to *make* law, only to enforce it. Obama presides over a national office empowered to enforce constitutionally authorized actions; nothing else. We, as individuals, preside over our own lives to enforce the law upon our own actions, not to "do that which is right in our own eyes", and nothing else. Only if we are called to serve others in some public capacity do our actions come under the discrimination of others. "If we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged."

turkle,

There are some interesting (albeit unconclusive) indications that the solar cycle is beginning to move into about an 70 year cooling cycle that will trough in 2045 and then move into a 35-40 year warming cycle after that. It's not an ice age, per se, and probably less severe than the Dalton minimum of the 1820s, but it will be noticeable.

What global warming will do will likely lessen the severity of that, and there will almost certainly be people who will interpret this period as invalidation of the GW theory. Where things get really dicey is the period from 2080 to 2120. If the global economy completely collapses between now and 2050 due to peak oil depletion and the lack of the development of an alternative, many of the bigger factors in carbon production - deforestation, mega-herds of cattle, transportation, agribusiness, etc., will likely cease being a factor by 2100, and it may be that the earth is able to cycle out the excess carbon, especially if there is a period of global cooling (some of this will be offset by the burning of more coal and firewood per capita, just that there will be a lot less capitas).

On the other hand, if civilization does manage to stave off collapse due to peak oil (through fusion, microwave power or thorium-based reactors) then there is a very real possibility that global warming will be significantly worse by 2100, bad enough to potentially precipitate a methane release event that could in fact bring on an ice age. The two are not unrelated.

Global warming is bad, but ironically liveable - it will shift the population away from the equator and will likely result in coastal cities moving considerably inland, but these are relatively slow events. An ice age is considerably worse, as it makes much of the temperate zone (which has the largest aggregate land mass) uninhabitable.

Dale, surely you are aware that your fecal material contains a wealth of information...
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Well come on over and cup your hands and I'll download all the informtion you desire.

Oh, right, Vlad's a birther, too. What a big surprise there...
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Of course....according to Vlad, "you must walk before you can run". Which apparently means you must believe what he says BEFORE he supplies the proof.

"You're not thinking in terms of advertising and PR."

I am simply ignoring it because it confuses the issue. Slickness of lies do not keep them from being lies. When you are admonished not to follow the rules of liars, perhaps you should begin inspecting their fruits. "By their fruits you shall know them."

Truth confers legitimacy.

ROFL. Best comment ever!

"Truth confers legitimacy."

Then I find it somewhat ironic that you believe in the concept of God, an idea which is the greatest lie ever told.

The comments from KurtCagle & Messiancdruid are probably the highest forms of comedy I've ever encountered. Better than Little League Baseball.

Yes, your oppressors will lay down their arms and simply walk away by the force of your sheeeeeer

...logic

You really must try to get a message out to the U.S. Navy before you meet Lugwig Von Beethoven.

This comment puts a whole new spin on "This Ripe Moment".

"Then I find it somewhat ironic that you believe in the concept of God, an idea which is the greatest lie ever told."

Then you are no judge of legitimacy.

"You're not thinking in terms of advertising and PR."

I am simply ignoring it because it confuses the issue. Slickness of lies do not keep them from being lies. When you are admonished not to follow the rules of liars, perhaps you should begin inspecting their fruits. "By their fruits you shall know them."

Truth confers legitimacy.

Sure, that's how it SHOULD be. But it's not how it IS.

It's ironic that you should make that argument, since it is 100% the EXACT one I made, which started dying the day the stolen election of 2000 began to rub my nose in the harsh realities of life and humanity.

Truth confers legitimacy? The very notion that you could make this statement after watching all of the proofs in the last decade of the falsity of that claim (which, I say again, is how it should be) is willful ignorance bordering on delusion.

Sorry, but I have to call it like I see it.

From the phony runup to the Iraq Invasion to Obama's obvious con-job and the hundreds of incidents in between, the idea that truth confers legitimacy has been discredited time and time again.

"By their fruits you should know them," always worked sporadically (and only after the peasants had been force-fed many millions of bushels of figs born of thorns - LOL) even BEFORE Uncle Siggy and Nephew Eddie.

Nowadays, there probably aren't a million people in the USA left who can pierce the wall of lies and notice that figs don't come from thorns, if the RW Corporate Socialist authorities & media want them to believe otherwise.

When the Iran Invasion occurs for equally false, ginned-up reasons, that idea of truth conferring legitimacy will be disproved again.

I understand and respect your thinking. The very words you spaketh I spoketh for years and years and years.

In spite of that, you will continue to be blindsided because you simply refuse to acknowledge reality that is confirmed to the tenth decimal place over and over.

I understand your wish for reality to be other than it is. But wish in one hand, as the old saying goes, shit in the other and see which fills up first.

Of course, willful ignorance of reality is the foundation of the faith that, coincidentally, both God and sociopathic aristocrats desire from their subjects.

Sure it's a coincidence...and I'm the King of Siam.

Anyway, good luck with that willful ignorance of reality's ironclad imperatives.

I hope it makes you feel good and help you do good in your own small corner of the Earth. Because it will terminally hamper your ability to understand the world and even your own religious leadership.

Because of it, you'll be down with the Fox Newsers and other Authoritarian Followers, the most clueless and the last to figure things out.

Sad, especially considering your ignoring of reality comes from a good heart and a desire for justice and peace in the world as per the words of that famous long-haired Hippie Socialist Jesus.

If you ever want to see a world where things are even remote close to how things should be, you first have to bear and acknowledge the uncomfortable truths of how things are.

IOW: You may not believe in Mass Psychology, advertising and PR, but Mass Psychology, advertising and PR believe in YOU.

KC and his sunshine band says "Global warming is bad, but ironically liveable - it will shift the population away from the equator and will likely result in coastal cities moving considerably inland, but these are relatively slow events. An ice age is considerably worse, as it makes much of the temperate zone (which has the largest aggregate land mass) uninhabitable."

I think your views are quite conservative. Nah, its not happening this way. The way it will happen is suddenly and violently as the Earth's climate shifts to a new equilibrium state.

The methane releases are already happening.

Coral bleaching has commenced.

The deforestation of the world's forests have reached their critical stages. The northern boreal forests are being hit with warm-region plagues. The tropical rainforests have been mutilated severely and are now turning to desert.

I have read widely on the subject. I even have a copy of Climate Processes and Sensitivity, a collection of research edited by James Hansen. I am attached to an scientific academic institution.

If there is one thing I find regrettable it is the reticence of science and scientists in general to convey their findings in more emotive language. If there was a fire in a crowded theater and Stephen Hawking was the only witness, he'd appear outside and say, "Sirs, we have evidence that there will be an immanent increase in the ambient indoor temperature of the theater, on the order of 50-75 degrees centigrade (P>0.05)."

Sadly people are not moved by dispassionate analysis. Even worse is the situation in America with people's confusion in comprehending the SI system of measurement.

What we need is someone who America considers rational and trustworthy, to grab the lapels of the nation, so to speak, and start screaming bloody murder.

Anyone who thinks CC and GW are going to be livable, survivable, or ameliorated by science are ignorant and/or delusional. Scientists, by the way, are frequently dispassionate. The field attracts a lot of people who are borderline or full-blown Asperger's- people unable to communicate in an emotionally complete way.

Anyone whose sole information digest is the MSM is basically and fundamentally ignorant on the issue. Very, very few people grasp the reality here.

Take 8man/tegmark for example. Even as he purports a plan to "destroy nature" and eschews a wish for an industrial product to achieve as much, he fails to realize that the project is already underway and it is also functionally complete.

The industrial society is a machine which has been operating for a 100 years to achieve wild, mad dreams of subordinating nature. And its aims have been achieved. 8man is someone whose imagination is simply regurgitated perception. NASA is the massive ego project to employ millions of people. The modern military-industrial complex is the imaginary-money mass employer. He blames 'Green Thugs' for stopping genetic engineering of food crops- except GM food crops now account for more than 65% of global production, the 'Green Thugs' like Vandana Shiva and the handful of others having zero effect on its proliferation. Neither did 'Green Thugs' amount to much in stopping any of the planet's pervasive environmental deterioration in the face of industrial, globalized trade. "Green Thugs" is therefore a Straw Man, and anyone to trafficks in Straw Man fallacies doesn't have anything to do with philosophy or metaphysics- he is simply a bullshit artist.

Right now the corals are bleaching and aggressive algae is colonizing the remains. As the corals go their colorful inhabitants are made homeless, and vulnerable, and will be destroyed by hardier predators. The coral reefs took thousands and thousands of years to establish. They will be gone in 5 years. This is the slope. The slope does not indicate a navigable, piecemeal rate of change. It indicates massive and irreversible change in which all the environment's "services" will no longer be available.

Canada pulled out of Kyoto, and USA will follow and it will collapse. We are a weak, stupid species, and our cultural legacy is a failure. If modern Americans had an ounce of the awareness of Americans 150 years ago, we might have a chance. But we are not those people. So I also doubt a return to a "world made by hand". A James Lovelock / Jim Morrison scenario is what I predict. No one here gets out alive, and what you will desire the most in 30 years is clean underwear and a plate of insects to eat.

Says the guy who believes in a magic, all-powerful, invisible, man-in-the-sky.

Good points about desert cities but persons such as the author of "Rancho Costa Nada" who desire to live isolated and off of the grid there should be little difference between then and today. After all, they're not relying on the "system" being high functioning. It would get considerably more challenging however were propane not available anywhere. Persons in rural areas currently are highly dependent on propane.

You missed a most important characteristic of the man in the sky. He is a LAW GIVER. And, buddy, his laws are to be OBEYED. He don't mess around. He send your ass to burn in lakes of fire for eternity. So shape up, and look busy.

"Yes, your oppressors will lay down their arms and simply walk away by the force of your sheeeeeer...logic"

They are not my oppressors, they are yours. God raises up evil men when His people abandon Him. Its a form of chastisement to bring about your repentance {change of mind}. My mind was changed long ago.

If I do partake of any oppression I can lay it at the feet of the rebels, that believe, as a way of justifying their rebellion, that they may do as they wish, since their "leaders" appear to be doing what they wish, and its all just made up BS anyway. The problem with this is everything is falling apart right on schedule, exactly as foretold, even to the blindness of God's people to see what is happening.

Jacob's Trouble has been long in preparation, but we get a front row seat.

Repetition works.
Repetition works.
Repetition works.
Repetition works.
Repetition works.
Repetition works.
Repetition works.
Repetition works.

Yours in white-bready pallid blue-whiteness,

Stephen King

"Nowadays, there probably aren't a million people in the USA left who can pierce the wall of lies and notice that figs don't come from thorns, if the RW Corporate Socialist authorities & media want them to believe otherwise."

That's one in about 330. I put the ratio more towards one in a million. You make your statement with the firm conviction that you are one of the *seers*. I can only hope.

If its not the truth, its not God's Word.

They are not my oppressors, they are yours. God raises up evil men when His people abandon Him.

Oh, PUH-LEEZE! Talk about willfully ignoring reality.

Medieval Europe was one of the most faithful times in human history. Everyone believed in God and everyone went to church.

It was also one of the most cruel, brutal, barcbaric and unjust times in all history.

Not only did legions of evil men rise up in the there and then, they ruled endlessly and absolutely.

Talk about willful ignorance! Sheesh! (slaps forehead)

"Well come on over and cup your hands and I'll download all the informtion you desire." -dale-

OK - I think I'll send Absalom, though.
He's more into that particular kink.

And, do you want basic molecular and genetic analysis, or a complete human clone?

Be sure to have his nursery ready, if you choose the clone.
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Did you know that they named Dolly the sheep, for Dolly Parton? Because Dolly the sheep was cloned from a somatic cell from a mammary gland. And the cloning guys in Scotland thought Dolly Parton had the best mammary glands they had ever seen.

Seriously. You can not make stuff like this up.

Dale, based on this,what WILL we name your clone?

I really hate to quote myself, but, in the face of so many people that have yet to accept their mortality: "Do they bleed? Then they're not special."

Dee, almost all women despise men who make less money than they do so don't feel bad. You are just typical. You said what you said and you are revealed as what you are.

Your hate filled mentality is what lead to the Soviet Gulags. I believe the White Race deserves to survive therefore I deserve to die. Any one believes as I do is a criminal according to you. And women did serve as inquisitors in the Gulags, a job you would truly love.

"Tiny, precious, Dale-clone babe in swaddling, we dub thee: "Scheisskopf the First"! Hurrah, let there be feasting and merry-making!"

OK. Here's my vision of Hell. It's post apocalypse, and the only human I've found alive is Vlad. And he's barely alive, so, I have to take care of him. He's a human being, ya fucks, whaddaya think I'm gonna do? Unfortunately, his brain has been severely damaged and all that he can remember are quotes from Alexsandr Solzhenitsyn.

Hellish.

(Lo, the blazing glory; Our cup-ped hands runneth over!)

LOL!
Zzzziiiiiing!

There you are. I wuz hopin' that you had some of those secret videos of Joe Cocker kickin' Leon Russell's ass....

Your thinking processes are like those Russian dolls that come enclosed one inside the other. And when you get to the last one, there's nothing inside (maybe a Tic-Tac). Please tell us all the secrets that you know which God hasn't seen fit to reveal to the rest of us. Why the mystery? For some reason, he only talks to certain people (most likely those with a tendency towards schizophrenia).

Oh, there's an Apocalypse on the way? You don't say? Is that your brilliant, unorthodox contribution to the discussion? How original. I haven't heard that one before. The end is near. I need my crappy life to end, so that I may ascend to heaven where me and Jesus will play harp duets. *yawn*

And then we get more garbage about how we have all strayed from God's Way and are being punished. Well, in your system, wasn't it God who designed us? So he built rebellion and disobedience to his will into our brains. If he didn't want us to rebel, why make it a possibility? Dare we insult him by not exercising these faculties?

You want desperately to be part of some inner circle that supposedly knows what's going on, because then you can place yourself above everyone, an enlightened being. But it is all poppycock. You're just a barely evolved monkey like the rest of us, and not a particularly bright or distinguished one. You just make it up as you go along. Religion provides a self-esteem boost for average, clueless shlubs. And you're exhibit A.

The Doomer Humor Machine is cranked up right 'n' tight t'night!
...And the CFN Clown Car [tm HC1863] has just rocketed off the ridge road, scattering clowns all over the side o' thet thar mountain.

There is such a thing as a Righteous King. To believe differently is Marxist Cant.

I'm glad you find me and not Absalom or Dee. One can only shudder at what those two might do.

Damnit! I know'd I shouldn't have burned those in a drunken, blubbering simpatico-fest for Leon.
Sorry, X, lost and gone forever; dreadful sorrow, etc., etc...
Were copies made?

But, hey, minus the witch burnings, floggings, suppression of science and basic medicine, religious civil wars, crusades, pogroms, persecutions, promulgation of complete lies, torture, Inquisition, banging of altar boys, justification for wars and genocides, instilling of needless guilt, excommunications, and magical hocus-pocus thinking, Christianity isn't all that bad.

It makes people feel better about themselves. Like I believe I'm the Queen of Egypt, and it makes me feel great. Who are you to judge?

The candle burned out long before
The legend ever did

Bernie Taupin

I love it! i love u! U are the funniest clown of all!

"Medieval Europe was one of the most faithful times in human history. Everyone believed in God and everyone went to church."

Can't you understand the difference between religious and lawful {ie: being able or willing to follow simple instruction}? They were faithful to a man-made religion, not faithful to God's Word. They hated it, suppressed it, changed it, discredited it and ignored it whenever they could.

Belief is not just mental assent. The words for belief and obey are the same words in Hebrew. People fool themselves when they refuse {or fail to obey God and still insist that they believe God.

You guys want to blame God for everything the religionists do without acknowledging that they are performing their own doctrines and commandments instead of God's. The very scriptures that they pretend to be following condemn their actions. So how can anyone believe these writings are theirs?

JUST HAVE A PEEK AT THIS BUCKSTER:

A PEEP INTO THE MIND OF THE ZIONIST LEFT,
WITH CULTURAL RELATIVISM [ MOCK ISLAM, WELL KILL YOU =]
My Problem With Tim Tebow
Monday, December 12, 2011
Rabbi Joshua Hammerman
Jewish Week Online Columnist
I’ve got a Tim Tebow problem.
I want to root for the guy, but I’m afraid of what will happen if the hulky Denver Bronco quarterback continues to pull off what is fast becoming the Greatest Gridiron Story Ever Told.
Tebow’s sanctimonious God-talk has led even pious peers like Kurt Warner to suggest that he cool it. Joseph could have used the same coaching.
If Tebow wins the Super Bowl, against all odds, it will buoy his faithful, and emboldened faithful can do insane things, like burning mosques, bashing gays and indiscriminately banishing immigrants. While America has become more inclusive since Jerry Falwell’s first political forays, a Tebow triumph could set those efforts back considerably.
Little of this insanity, mind you, has to do with Tebow himself.
Will legions of Southern Baptist missionaries hit the college campuses the very next day, spreading this new gospel of Tim? Already there is a
‘Jews For Tebow’ Facebook page.

"...Christianity isn't all that bad."

Churchianity is not christianity. You have never witnessed christianity, or you certainly wouldn't be so obtuse.

China last week refused to pay [in credits?]
for flying over Eurabia.

"Dare we insult him by not exercising these faculties?"

If you are called to exercise them, do so. It shows you need to learn a lesson, the hard way. Some of us don't get it until its in the rear-view mirror. I know I didn't.

And you can drop the crap about me setting myself over anyone. I'm not applying for the job. As a confessed sinner {1John 3:4} which is part of becoming whatever it is we are becoming, I can only tell you what God has shown me. If you are not interested, fine.

I don't blame God, because that entity is fictitious. It would be like blaming Santa Claus for the commercialization of Christmas.

Interesting stuff, HC. I'm going to have to take a couple of runs at it to get it all addressed.

Here was my original question:
"Hey Hancock1863! Hancock! What do you think of Metuselah's use of the Vatican as the driver of the Grand Unifying Conspiracy Theory - that we are looking for?"

You did give a long answer, but it split off into three directions - but if we boiled your answer down into one word it would have been, "Maybe?"

And the question mark is deliberate, on my part.
And look, dude, you were the first person on CFN to get me seriously thinking that there might be something to your "Lizard Overlords," as I think you were calling them in those days - as directors of a massive conspiracy.

I've got a science background, I've got a big left brain - don't go telling me there's a conspiracy and then tell me not to talk to those who purport to speak for the principals involved on CFN.

Metuselah is one such spokesperson. I don't think he's tormenting the thread (and me?) for entertainment purposes. I'm very sure that he BELIEVES every single thing he says about the Vatican.

And honestly, he's got to be correct, up to some certain - even some fairly extreme - point.

Of course the Vatican is a conspiracy.
Of course the Vatican wants the Catholic Church to be the "Universal" Church, and to totally dominant the hearts, minds, bodies, and Eternal Souls of every single human on the Planet. DUH!

Of COURSE the Catholic Church is 100% in favor of immigration of as MANY people as possible into the United States. If most of them are Catholic, that's just icing on the cake for them. Of course the Catholic Church wants to destroy the secular culture of the United States. Again, DUH!

And of course, the Catholic Church has a great fall back position, if they succeed in all their mayhem, destroy the United States, and leave 10 billion people living in absolute Hell on Earth.

Hey - It was God's Will all along!
Send in the Saints to clean up!

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You can pick any other large bureaucracy, from the Catholic Church, to the any large Military*, to the US Democratic Party - and you will find similar tendencies to maximize their power, their footprint, and their damage. (except the Army and the Democrats don't like to invoke God's will. Plus the military uses soldiers instead of Saints, to bat clean-up)

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Where Met goes to far, as you say, is when he uses the Vatican to make Israel completely Innocent and the Vatican completely responsible, leading to - - "a philosophy that admits zero possibility of deviation, modification or alternative explanations." (HC)

Well said HC, and that is where it always turns Authoritarian, with any lie - or maybe even any pedestrian human truth - carried to a far enough extreme.

Long post. More later.

*Interesting that that Iranian nuclear engineer was killed, just today. Somebody did it. On purpose. Wasn't me.

Tim....who?

"I don't blame God, because that entity is fictitious."

Well, don't blame me either. I've got enough sense to see that people don't write books condemning their own teachings.

"Like I believe I'm the Queen of Egypt, and it makes me feel great. Who are you to judge?"

Until you rely on your authority as the Queen to inflict witch burnings, floggings, suppression of science and basic medicine, religious civil wars, crusades, pogroms, persecutions, promulgation of complete lies, torture, Inquisition, banging of altar boys, justification for wars and genocides, instilling of needless guilt, excommunications, and magical hocus-pocus thinking, no discernment is needed. When you try to justify these things by appealing to usurped authority I am obligated to exercise righteous judgement and expose you.

Xhalor, Yes I agree. Football watchings not for me
but I didnt bring up his name.
Meanwhile in the Sharazation of our Nation:

' Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat'

[From Zenster]:

Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.

Here’s how it works:

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in: United States — Muslim 0.6%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in: United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in: France — Muslim 8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in: India — Muslim 13.4%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in: Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in: Bosnia — Muslim 40%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non- believers of all other religions (including non- conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in: Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in: Egypt — Muslim 90%

100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-al-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrassas are the only schools, and the Koran is the only “Word”, such as in:
Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

Glad to see you're back posting Anti Soak; you held out longer than most of us :)

" Little of this insanity, mind you, has to do with Tebow himself"

I disagree with this statement. It was Tebow the heralded collegiate player who made a religious statement with his anti- abortion commercial that aired a few years ago at the Super Bowl. I don't like him and I don't trust his phony Christian brethren.


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In all seriousness, what makes you believe so strongly in this magical being that you call God? Where's the evidence? Or are you just believing something handed down to you? Do you really think voices or visions that visit you are from external beings? Perhaps your mind is just playing tricks on you (it happens). Personal revelations don't count, because other people can't observe them. Reality is determined by consensus and observed sense experiences, whether directly or indirectly. That's why if you told me that you saw some elves and unicorns, I'd ask, "Cool. Can you show them to me?" Reasonable request, no? I'd want to see these magical creatures if you claimed they existed and could see them and that they whispered sweet nothings into your ear. So, similarly, where's your God?

In all cases where it was first asserted that the divine was a primary cause, this was shown through more careful inquiry to not be the case. I call it the Amazing Shrinking God effect. Where ever you look, there he isn't.

Lightning was Zeus battling the giants. Oh, no, wait it is actually just electricity jumping from the clouds to the ground.

The mind and consciousness were due to God giving us a soul. Hold on, it is actually just the result of an advanced and evolved nervous system.

God conjured human's out of thin air in his image. Sorry, wait, we're actually descended from monkeys via evolutionary processes.

Those funny voices in your head were angels and demons and Gods sending messages. Actually, that's just the background chatter of the mind (a very noisy place).

etc.

I could go on and on and on and on along these lines (I have before!), but you get the point. Religion = pretty much always wrong about everything having to do with actual reality. That's because their method of arriving at the truth is all wrong. They don't start from first principles, which are to assume that you know nothing about the subject and go from there. All interpretation is instead colored by the baggage of doctrine and faith, that are, a priori, considered infallible. Well, sorry, but that's just a fucked up way to try and interpret the world around you, not to mention incredibly arrogant and small-minded. How can you possibly arrive at the truth about anything if you assume that you already know it to begin with?! Why even bother?

Well, I do dig some of the moral imperatives that have helped hold society together (kinda sorta), but those can fit on a matchbook. What's all the rest? Fear, uncertainty, lies, and doubt. And, I notice, Christians and other religious types haven't been particularly good at following their own commandments over the years. Some of the worst behavior imaginable is justified by religious thought and only that. I've never heard of a suicide bomber that didn't believe he was getting a B-line straight to the heavenly temple after the immolation.

You have not a leg to stand on, because the thousands of legs people like you have put out there over the years (grown?) have been cut out from under you by (oh gosh golly gee) actual, observed truths. I can smack you repeatedly in the face with all these severed legs, but somehow you just keeps on believing.

'I don't like him and I don't trust his phony Christian brethren.'
Fine, Alls well and good.

[With his history how could he be Pro Abortion?]
Whats his salary? [just wondering].

It's called a Matryoshka doll.

Turkle, I'm not calling you out personally. But, as an atheist, it's pretty easy for me. It goes something like this:

Justify the suffering, motherfucker.

Still on for NYC, NO GUNS, lotsa booze.

Your Friend,

Satan

I'm not much of a fan of astrology, but what a hoot when Christian start invoking science to discredit astrology:

"A pre-scientific view of the world. Astrology continues to accept the mistaken astronomical views of the ancient world. They have not kept up with the latest discoveries in astronomy regarding new stars or planets that would ultimately re-order their delineation."

LOL - you can't make this stuff up:

http://christianinformation.org/article.asp?artID=99

I can't even understand half the stuff you spew out on here, because of your circular and confusing way of interpreting what is and isn't a valid or legitimate expression of religion. When I name actual, amoral acts that self-confessedly religious people have committed in the name of their sky gods, you claim they are not truly representative and are not following the spirit of religious thought. Well, what else have I got to work with aside from what people actually do in the name of their philosophies and religions? That's like saying, hey, Naziism wasn't all that bad a philosophy, but the damn Nazis ruined it.

Religion itself being a nonsensical worldview, it doesn't surprise me in the least that its adherents are given to worldly nonsense, like persecuting non-believers, disbelief in basic science, blowing themselves up so they ascend to the right hand of Allah or some such, or justifying amoral acts like killing abortion doctors. Funny thing (or weird actually) how the religious contingent overlaps with those who were for the Iraq War and are for the death penalty (but against abortion....go figure). Is this another case of "Do as I say, not as I do."?

I'd also knock the ball back to your court. By what authority do YOU think that you can tell people whether or not they are true believers or not? If you don't even believe in the basic methods of arriving at truth, how can you then turn around and accuse others of being off the true path? Shouldn't their word be enough, given that I'm supposed to believe all your nonsense, just cuz you sez so?

I call your method of argument "moving the goal posts." I go to kick a field goal based on the posts you deployed, and you move the target while I'm in mid-kick.

I discuss and interpret those institutions and people that identify themselves as Christian. That's Christianity to me. Pretty simple. You, on the other hand, redefine the term on your own whim. The Christian church? Not actually Christian. Anyone who does anything that you don't personally like in the name of Christianity? Not Christian either.

Are you actually the only true Christian kicking around these days druid? And, if so, how weird that you call yourself a druid, which is a pre-Christian, pagan priest. Are you actually just trying to confuse and fluster me?

Why do I even bother arguing with you? I really have no idea, actually. Maybe I hope that you will someday "see the light."

"If there is a grand unifying aspect, it's probably something as pedestrian as wealth, power, sociopathy and ruthless disregard for other "inferior" humans" -Hancock-

That's it! Hancock, that's a conspiracy most anyone should be able to believe. And it hasn't always been operative. The US had complete physical and spiritual hegemony over everybody but the Russians, at the end of WWII, but gave it all up with the Marshall Plan.

"If their is any unifying racial aspect of it, it's probably White European" -hancock-

HAH! That's the one thing it is NOT, HC. That leads us to the slippery and politically correct conclusion that exporting any sort of birth control to third world countries is racist. Similarly, it's "racist" NOT to pack the United States as full as possible prior to collapse - so that we can enjoy a mass die-off, along with the rest of the world.
Can't have the US as a "life-boat," now can we?

Sorry, I've come full circle. Our aristocratic overlords are so stupid that they don't believe in collapse and they don't believe in die-off.
They want the country full to maximize their economic advantage - and that's about how far-sighted the best of the RWA's actually is.

They are not, for the most part, stocking caves with ammo, seeds, servants, and gardeners. They are "investing" their wealth on Manhattan and Dubai real estate, the stock market, and those verdamned Collaterized Debt Obligations - along with many other pieces of paper and digital equivalents that they think represent "wealth."

Hopeless and stupid, hopeless and stupid.
All of us, to be so poorly led - into such a perilous age.

I can only tell you what God has shown me. If you are not interested, fine.

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Don't believe him, Turkle. It is not fine. Them burning lakes of fire await. You have no choice but to submit to God's will. And you can't fake it, because God is a super-snoop who will look right into your heart and know your true motivation. The game is rigged. There is no escape. You must obey God's laws, read God's Word, love God's Son, etc. ad nauseum, per secula seculorum, amen. What a dualistic book-based middle eastern exoteric religion! (there's at least three to choose from)

This is how ignorant American barbarians act:

Members of Scout Sniper Team 4, a Marine Corps unit that has served on the front lines of the war in Afghanistan this year, in footage lasting 39 seconds, shows four soldiers in full combat gear urinating on the bodies of three dead men, bearded and dressed in traditional Afghan garb. The soldiers can be heard laughing and joking. "Have a great day, buddy," one says.

Semper Fi! Semper Barbarian!

Never stood over the bodies of people who a few moments earlier were trying to kill you, huh? You'll find that you don't much care WHO they were or WHAT the fuck they believed. AND, until you have, please DO NOT try to tell me what it's like.

I consciously chose not to become a war criminal. I've never illegally invaded and occupied a country which represented no threat to the USA.

Good. You didn't take the bait. No one likes a wishy-washy anything. Be a Christian. Go all the way. Pay attention to the philosophy and not the rhetoric.

"That's Christianity to me."

Well how does it feel to be wrong? Just because you believe "amoral acts that self-confessedly religious people have committed in the name of their sky gods" is true christianity does not make it any more so than the same religionists themselves believing it makes it so. Your believing and calling yourself the Queen of Egypt, and even convincing others to believe and call you the Queen of Egypt, does not make it so.

"You claim they are not truly representative and are not following the spirit of religious thought."

No. I am saying they DO represent the spirit of religious thought. The spirit of religious thought is not God's spirit, but a deceptive [deceived} spirit, that allows people to believe they can live in sin {lawlessness} and still receive God's blessings. Many false {lieing} spirits have gone out into the world. We must *try* the spirits to see whether they be from God or are imposters. IOW, if you can see that they are producing, promoting and reveling in iniquity, then it follows that they are not serving God but their own lusts.

"And some people depend on medicine to keep them alive. As I said, if they die, it's because they were sick, so it won't seem that strange. It's just that they could have been kept alive."
-wagelaborer-

Wage, stick with me for a second while I walk out on a "slippery slope." Hold me tight, womanfrien'!

I know you have "frequent fliers" come into your hospital all the time. They feel bad, they smell bad, they look bad. Only thing is, and RippedThunder will probably back me up on this, many of them look a whole lot worse pretty quickly after they get back home. Uncontrolled diabetics snacking on sugar cookies as their main meal of the day. Beneficiaries of by-pass surgery whose only aerobic exercise is moving from their government-supplied Rascal Scooter to their government-supplied hospital bed and picking up the remote control for the night.

I don't know how it happened. 25 years ago, things like this were uncommon. Now it's epidemic. We've got huge numbers of people who have a quality of life that approaches zero, then falls below. And NONE of these people would be alive for more than a month or two without modern medicine.

And you can't make any of the medical assistance, or the Rascals, or the recurrent free ambulance rides to the hospital - even remotely contingent on these patients taking ANY responsibility for their own health and well being.

OK - that's far enough onto the slope for right now. Pull me back in.

But, if something can't go on forever -
It won't.

Leon Trotsky once said to a young man that while you may not be interested in the war, the war is interested in you.

Leon Trotsky was a confirmed liar.

I give up. You just don't fucking get it.

Tell ya what. Life's too short. If your ass is on this blog, mine ain't. Later mofos......

xhalor

A new ice age vs anthropogenic global warming -

Turkle, despite his faults as a man who raises Atheism to High Religion - get's his climate science correct, in my opinion. (So does BustinJ, with a nice overlay of hyperbolic systems collapse, leading to death of everything but bacteria and simple fungi.)

So, I've got nothing I'll add to their science. But I'll give a practical referent - as to what the human species is doing right now on planet Earth.

We are on schedule to finish burning, in the next 50 years or so, fossilized carbon deposits that represent immense eons of geologic carbon dioxide capture. We are altering the gaseous atmospheric balance irrevocably.

Beyond that, we're burning substances that might have incredible, unknown value to our progeny - if any of our progeny survive long enough to appreciate this value.

Maybe the human species will luck into a soft landing between anthropogenic global warming, a staved off ice age, and the Second Coming.

But it will be pure blind luck.
"You've got to ask yourself one question."
"Do I feel lucky?" -dirty harry-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0-oinyjsk0

OK - I think I've probably added enough to the world's troubles, for one night.

Never underestimate clown power.

Pro C, Endemic? Are you kidding me? We have frequent fliers who use the ambulance and ER at least once a week. Can you say maybe $5000.00 per week for bullshit? probably more. I know people who the state is into for probably 250K a year for the past 20 years. They are still the same. Same as it ever was, Same as it ever was. Hey, I have had health problems in the past. I think health insurance is a godsend. If you add up my insurance/ health/ car/property/life . the insurance companies have made a fortune off of me!

Hello Clusterfuckers. Surely I'm off topic, but oh well. Just some thoughts on the election...

I can't wait for Pink Slip Mitt -- AKA Mr. "Corporations are people too, my friend" -- to become our Supreme Leader. Really, if this guy ends up as president he can enforce with a Mormon zeal the fascist-leaning laws signed by the Bush and Obama administrations.

Mormons are law and order types who believe decisions should be made by important white men in private smoky rooms. Think I'm lying? If you're a non-Mormon, try to visit one of their glorious churches (like you would, say, a nice Catholic church). See if you can get inside -- or at least inside the gates. I dare you.

I'm an agnostic, but I still think there are plenty of reasons to worry about a cult getting its clutches near the presidency. Read about what the Mormons did to Howard Hughes for some insight.

Relax, cowswithguns, a large percentage of evangelical Christians will never vote for a Mormon, splitting the right-wing vote. Romney will never become president.

Now you're just being ridiculous.

You sound just like those Comrades who wave away Stalin's and Mao's monstrous atrocities by saying, "Well, that wasn't really Communism."

I call bullshit on them and bullshit on you.

Not much else to say to such nonsense. It's a five year old's excuse after Mom told him not to take a cookie out of the cookie jar, but he found the bag of cookies and got one from it.

When Mom caught him eating it, he whined, "But I didn't take it from the cookie jar. I did what you said!"

Romans 13:2 says that people who don't believe in Jesus deserve what they get.

In Timothy and 1 Peter (I don't have the citations readily available - the Peter reference may be in 2 Peter) it says that all authority is put in position by God, so therefore all good Christians should obey any designated authority.

So, God says that the Germans did the right thing in obeying the Nazis...and the monstrous murderous King Henry VIII.

God also says, "Slaves obey thy Masters," so he surely approves of slavery.

I must confess to getting a bit pissed off at such infantile bullshit and a mega-cop out from you. I am glad turkle is raking you over the hot coals.

Authoritarian Followers make me sick. I'm afraid their can be no doubt that you are one, lock, stock and barrel.

Back to the pay no mind/waste of time list...where you eminently belong.

You never know. A lot of people weren't supposed to vote for a black man. But Obama somehow became president. Obama faces some major structural issues with the economy and any slip up in the recovery could easily usher in a guy like Romney.

To many evangelicals, Romney is the same (Massachusetts liberal) as Obama, and evangelicals did not vote for Obama.

Mitt Romney hasn’t got a prayer. That is, if the most prominent evangelical leaders in the country — who are holding crisis talks next weekend in Texas over the thinning herd of viable GOP challengers — have anything to say about it. Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/evangelicals_planning_plot_against_RKh5pKIIGodjQm11EJTwWL#ixzz1jDV4iNPA

I'd go so far as to lay down $100 on Obama right now.

And yet there are dark horses:

Gary Johnson: Ted Turner Is Shutting Me Out Of The Debates: http://youtu.be/LvZ3rNMsr-M

Gary Johnson is a young intelligent libertarian alternative to the ancient, torpid, ideologue Paul.

But the effect of a third party would be the same: splits the right-wind vote and sinks the Republican candidate.

Indeed you wouldn't be able to go inside a Mormon Temple. But trust me, as one who grew up in the Mormon church, with ancestors that crossed the plains with Brigham Young, I can tell you that if you went inside the temple in disguise you would be bored and want to escape.

You would not be impressed with the interior decoration. No great art treasures. Lots of Mason-esque handshakes and stuff. Yawn.

Lots of quirky dogma, just like every other religion. Ya gotta admit, it's a uniquely American religion. But Mormons make good neighbors. Helpful and kind.

I voted for Obama in 2004. I am not happy. I could vote for Huntsman. But I might note vote at all.

...so wait a minute...are you saying that wasn t santa?! then who ate the damned cookies? and if the man in the moon doesn t have any fuckin' green cheese to eat, then what the hell did the cow say to the easter bunny?

You called me clown. Be very glad that you are not standing in front of me right now. What I am going to do is tell as many vets as I can reach to BOYCOTT THIS SITE. This will undoubtedly not get posted. No matter. I'm gonna do it anyway. Happy now asshole?

Warn all war criminals to stay away:

http://bit.ly/zjfLlU

Semper Fi!

....or maybe I'll have them come here. You'll get to meet all those Marines and Army Rangers and the men and women in the Air Force and the Navy that you like to make fun of in the safety of the virtual world. Unless, you would like to make fun of them face to face. Hmmmmm?

Nothing. That's what I thought.


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177835

What if the Green Thugs are Right ?

Here's the deal: so lets imagine that the green, resource scarcity myth thugs are correct, oil is running out, finished, food is running out, we are at least 6 billion too many people that should just get lost in space, nature is suffering (and god will punish us for this, their god of "nature", since theirs is a pure religion even though they don't notice this), consumerism is bad, TV is bad, cars are bad, etc. So what would be the "natural" solution to all of this ? well you would have to simply stop the economy, stop all manufacturing, all endeavors, but especially, more than anything else, by golly give out scott free handouts, free salaries and a cheap rent to at least make people survive, keep them still, don't let them go out and use cars and work and buy stuff, etc. But the green thugs (who are way more reactionary and right wing than the capitalists who at least create consumerism and products, they just want everyone to starve to death) also say "you can't give out free lunches, free rides, free money, free handouts", etc. you have "to work hard for it" (always punishment mode ideology, in fact their model is everyone working the land with their bare hands and starving to death anyways like in rural China, Africa and India where the poor there can hardly wait to work in the manufacturing sweatshops 12 hours a day for a hundred dollars a month, go figure how wonderful "working the land" and "being close to nature must be"!).

Obviously their ideology and mode of thinking and operating, their politics simply brings everyone against everyone else, brings people to hate on each other (in fact they love to say that there are too many people, the population explosion (which by the way is no longer even true, population is barely growing anymore, we now have negative population growth in scores of countries)) since you can't have work, since any work punishes nature, but at the same time you can't have free salaries because this is "morally and ethically incorrect" (nature doesn't like free salaries, you have to "work hard for it").

If they were logical at all, the very first thing they would always ask for is free salaries and cheap rents, and park people in front of TVs all day so they don't use up resources (oh, but even Electricity is bad, shut down all the energy production).

But even if they are right, technology has all the solutions, free salaries, disconnect brains from bodies and put them inside TVs so they have an automatic life, or just kill off a few billions, we can live with the bare minimum in every way by not eating and just getting fed by tubes, you get the idea.

But what they really want or what their ideology really implies is that people have to struggle against each other, fight against each other, a war of all against all in the name of protecting "Nature" that huge motherph*k*r that should be instead beaten to death, that should be modified extremely (what fake food ? we need fake brains and minds, self manipulating brains and minds, self manipulating neural circuits that completely change instantly, we become another person and life and experience in a jiffy by just changing all the bits in our minds, etc. extremely manipulated brains, etc.), we should invent completely new atom types, forms of matter, we should live in the most artificial and fake world we can possible build, beat the crap out of nature, split the Sun, huge monolithic slabs of pleasurium (only pleasure for every entity in the slab, etc.). Hate the greens, sustainability, resource scarcity scaredy cats with all of your guts.

They say parkinsons disease is bad, you lose your memories, etc. Actually we need to lose all of our memories, that is the solution, not the problem, we don't have to wait for universe size brains where our memories fall off the edge of the observable universe and into a void and we finally become free of our past, we can create mechanisms and drugs and circuits that erase all our past and substitute it with anything we want in a jiffy. In short, we must save ourselves from ourselves. We are our only enemy, therefore kill ourselves to save oursleves from ourselves.

Hey krswst (always maternal mode ?) you are a lady therefore a slut. Do you ph*k alot ? do you pl*y with yourself alot ? why did you do that to me ? why did you punish me like that ? I get angry and envious, please stop killing me, stop punishing me, your pleasure is my pain, as in painium, please mommy kill me, get me out of my misery as I am an old nigger, old impotent man while all those sluts enjoy pleasure and beat me up like this... I am so envious and jealous with rage, hysterical (and why should a chunk of matter be envious of another chunk of matter ?) it is a miracle that I am still alive, I should have been dead a long time ago, I am doing overtime, go figure. Hey vlad, get yourself a black dildo old ugly queer (probably jewish too) nigger, you will never have a handsome young black boyfriend faggot, queer. I am an old sad, sad man (who maybe read too many books or thought too much), with an ever bigger hole in his heart, hate me with all of your guts, I use the internet to vomit my information BS into this worldwide cesspool, this worldwide arena of broken dreams and failed entities, worldwide arena for self psychoanalysis, everything is always a failure, a loss. Everything we do is an attempt to win, if even just barely, or imagine and think we are winning something, but it is all destined to fail, all losers and failures vomiting on the internet.

Just like the earth is a ball of matter that pl*yed with itself and created a mind, created you that is reading, how can a subset be aware of the set that created it ? how can a set create a subset that observes itself ?

But all of the above is 100 % wrong, it is all a troll! ha, ha the joke is on me, ha ha the joke is on you ! All I wrote is 100 % wrong, it is totally unrelated to what I wanted to say, I didn't say any of that, I lied, I didn't want to say anything at all, someone else wrote all of that BS in place of me (unresolved internal conflicts ?), what I wanted to say has nothing at all to do with what I said, it is 100 % wrong, I am 100 % right and totally wrong, all of my blocks of text are pure total contradiction, ignore them throw it all away, be crazy, insane, deceive, BEWARE OF THE MARK OF THE BEAST....

AN EGGMAN


Every moment is a completely different universe, is completely different, could be the exact opposite of what you expect, every moment, every 10 ^ -30 seconds there is a new configuration of matter which means that we are in a completely new universe, a 100 % completely new big bang has occurred, all the rules have change, all your old memories never were, that world never was, all the old neural circuits that you have programmed could react in completely undefined and totally, 100 % unpredictable ways. There is no stability, zero stability, therefore no external world, no world at all, only some vague expectations that could be totally contradicted, you could be totally surprised by how everything (your ideas, desires, values, what you liked or didn't (substituted now ? you were a green now you are pro machines ? you loved vlad now you hate him ?) emotions, old reactions that no longer follow the old rules, whatever) is changed, 100 % changed, by just changing one bit of the configuration of the entire universe, everything is 100 % changed, you are 100 % changed, and the next moment changed back to where you were or what you were, but maybe to another thing totally different, and so on....

The mind brain is constantly changing every picosecond, every neural circuit and memory and imagined stability is just being copied all over again, with slight differences, making slight "mistakes" but exactly because there are slight mistakes does everything change in a jiffy in our mind. We are not defined, stable, an individual, we are a constant process going nowhere, unpredictable. We have no identity. We must save ourselves from ourselves, I must save myself from myself.

But all of the above is trash, wrong, throw it away, I wanted to say something 1000 % different from what I said, it is all false, don't pay attention, make mistakes, get it all wrong, put words in my mouth, make a mess, be wrong.


THE APE

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All of the permutations of possible concept: how does a chunk of matter imagine to know or think to know what another chunk of matter thinks about him or how he is judged ? and if the chunk makes mistakes in the judgment, or has a partial cue of information upon which to make judgment ? and what if the reciprocal chunks of matter are always wrong, as in "Our Minds are Always Wrong no Matter What", and always guess wrong, reciprocally wrong forever, always guessing the wrong slot, but never being aware of it like when two friends get lost in a large department store and never find each other again because they will forever go in the wrong aisle, synchronized in mismatch, always making the wrong turn forever, and the mistake goes on forever, but they are unaware of it, hence they conclude that the friend "went away", but is still there. Another example of a limit to an Observable Universe, always perfectly synchronized mismatch.

And if the minds judging each other are always wrong about what the other mind is judging (although there is no easy way to find out (no need to find out, it will always be wrong by definition, from the outset) as all comparisons and measurements are always wrong since they depend on other wrong and fake and deceiving measurements (on other minds ?), as all is a right out lie), and if they both deceive each other by not only lying to each other, but especially, each mind lying to itself and forgetting the judgment it just made, and making mistakes forever, forever mismatched judgments of minds within itself and amongst themselves. But judgments are all a lie anyways, are always fake, are always a mistake, don't even exist, as in the other mind doesn't even exist, as the other mind is always an imagined entity (until it strikes back physically, like a punch in the face, but that was not that mind executing that will power, but the wind that threw a chunk of matter in your face) there are no other minds, not even your own, minds are just an infinite regression of lies to itself, forever lying to itself and lying to other minds, as in brainium, all entities are brains, hence minds, judging, lying and making mistakes. Perfectly synchronized mismatched reality structures...

The hole in my soul will just will get bigger and bigger, never to be filled, no matter how many cool sounding blocks of texts I write...


Who Sets the Controls at the heart of the Sun ?


On "Climate Change" : I hope it changes wildy and breaks everything up, this way man is finally punished by nature, but even more importantly we must pollute ever more, try to change it as fast as possible and on purpose just for fun, to punish man as a turd.

We need an Iron Fist Communist Dictatorship governed by Computers, make the computers do the thinking and the choices for the greater good of the Machine, as man is just an infinitely programmable machine that must abide to the program the Super Computer governing the thousands of trillions of people decided was necessary: funny how it is exactly what I decided, namely trillions of skyscrapers, rockets to mars, trillions of 1966 Oldsmobile Ninety Eights, etc.

Man with his conflicts and will powers and the democratic process and greenies and scaredy cats is totally unreliable, only a Computer can and should decide, long live Big Brother in the form of the Computer deciding for all!

ON a side note, the technical governments in Italy, Greece, etc are the best governments those countries have ever had, they take the best ideas from left or right and apply them, that is the way to go, objectively, not totally subjective fights like all the other "democracies"...


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177835

The reason why the greenies, tree huggers, environmentalists, sustainability thugs never talk about free salaries and free money to all and free super luxury McMansions to all is because most of them are rich spoiled brats, or at least middle class "high maintenance" thugs who have never had to think that millions need a house and a job therefore are forced to manipulate and "rape" the environment and nature. This also demonstrates clearly how they are extremely class based, against the working class, mostly reactionary right wing thugs disguised as Nature loving.

Little spoiled brats that never worked a day in their lives, that found this quaint hobby protecting that huge motherph*k*r that is nature and jumping on any accident, any "bad news", anything the real productive manufacturers want to do to create jobs, against the suburbs and McMansions and cars when we need the entire planet covered with steel and cement and cars and skyscrapers and malls etc.

Spoiled brats, mommy's little girlys (as most are ladies, go figure), this nice hobby, don't build high speed trains, atomic energy plants and this and that, etc.

It's the fault of the idiotic politicians who sent them there in the first place. Afghanistan=graveyard of Empires. Including of course the USA. We should have simply nuked their cities immediately after 9/11/2001, that is all two of them, after giving them advance warning to evacuate in say, 72 hours, vaporized the silly cocksuckers, then declared victory and gone back to ignoring them once again. Then after the stealth bombers vaporized Kandahar and Kabul they could have discharged the contents of their toilets' holding tanks over the burnt out and smoking craters. If you have a problem with any of this then you're simply too sensitive.

"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God."

What if God ordained that, in America, we the people should be the higher power over our employees {and contractors} in the government? Would you like that arrangment? Is this not what America is/was about?

"Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves."

Now suppose we had a nation that actually believed 'the people we allow to run things for us' had to operate within the authority delegated to them and remain within the limits of the Constitution. When they strayed they would be recalled and returned to their community. Our failure as citizens must be acknowledged.

Here's the chain of command:

God > Christ > We the People > government employees > contractors

What we are experiencing is a combination of the usurpers and infidels being caught in the trap they have made, and people who say "Lord, Lord" and do not the things which He says being chastised for their disobedience.

Selah.

Like when you want to remember something, anything, but you are never really sure (images, events, stories, or similar) not concepts and logic, those are easy since they are digital, abstract, symbolic, non existent, a ghost of a ghost. But images, they are impossible to remember, we always make up the memory, we just design a new memory, and so on. So then how do we know if it is true ? We don't and will never know: every time we look at something, we see it (or do we ?) but just the moment after we can't remember it ever exactly (or I can't, or someone can't or it can't or whatever can't, and are they all the same item or different items?), but exactly compared to what ? we can't even compare it to know if it is true, we might as well just assign truth or a memory or what history was, even the digital parts after all are vague, a concept is not really a clear cut concept ever, nothing is clear cut, everything is a momentary invention, a momentary lapse of reason, if reason ever existed.

We can't know or predict anything, or assign anything, not even after the fact, not even if it is history, not even if you look at it straight in the eye, no matter how precise, even after the facts (during the facts, no matter what flow of bits as sense organ inputs or thoughts or whatever your brain captures), not even if you know it, the laws of physics could have never guessed a sequence of events, not even themselves, not even god knows himself, not even the principle of non contradiction and the identity principle know themselves, even they are lost forever, false, they aren't true or real not even after the fact, not even if the entire universe says yes it is true, no matter what, ever more limits, ever more impossibilities, go for it man, just do it. Not even knowing knows what "know" is ! knowing is shattered into a trillion bits and pieces, but as usually, this is all false and a contradiction, I really hope you don't understand anything of it all (of what me, a jackass writes), the less you understand the closer you are to truth.

All of what I said is 100 % wrong, but not only wrong, wronger than wrong, not even unrelated, more than unrelated, more than 100 % disjoint, 1000 % disjoint, but not even this means what I mean, what I mean is infinitely beyond anything of what I mean which is crystal clear, as the sun, but it is all a joke, all false, a troll, joke on me, the joker...


TOBOR ATE MAN

"Unfortunately, his brain has been severely damaged ..."

I thought is brain was already damages, don't you mean 'further damaged'

;)

geez.... I meant to add that by this time Vlad must be a member of the Vegitative State of the Month club. Not much going on up there but a couple hamsters left running around the old racist wheel....
Squeek-Squeek!

;)

Kurt, you are still overlooking the fact that without Nor Cal & Colorado river water, So Cal will revert to desert fast, and be unable to support the population at anywhere near the current level. In the end tho, SoCal & part of West Arizona may become some kind of autonomous region, able to support a small population.

Also, as far as the metizo population is concerned, well, Nor Mexico is also mostly desert, and if there is a Great Collapse, the population will probably also retreat to the south of Mexico.
In the long term, Mexico may decide to try to re-unite the old Spanish colonies by invading those countries to the south of them, perhaps with the idea of being able to control the Panama canal, which will still have strategic importance regarding shipping. However, Colombia may also want to control it, so Mexico may only get as far as Honduras or Nicaragua, which will no doubt resist Mexico's attempts at empire.
Poor Costa Rica may have to dig out those old muskets and WW1 rifles and start an army after all. Wish us luck.
BTW: Did you know that until recently the most common 'lawn mower' here was still the machete?

Interesting ideas.

:)


"Our parental mass media has turned the nation into a simpering, preening group of baby pageant imbeciles." -Buck S.

Now THAT, my man, is quite simply, a friggin' classic!!

I already told you, Comrade Jesuit, that your communist-type lying and nonsensical rationales don't work on thinking people.

Lie to yourself as much as you like. I understand that's what you must do in order to make your own bullshit palatable to your own conscience.

How else could you gloss over the murderous inhumanity of Christianity and pretty much all organized religions, drivenby the widening chasm between their actions and their PR?

Thanks for once again proving how you Authoritarian types are the furthest from the truth and the last to figure things out.

That's how your masters - wealthy sociopaths wearing God-masks, essentially, want you to be.

You are the perfect mark. What could possibly be a better outcome for confidence men that to have their suckers climb into their own coffins, and pull the door shut behind them with a smile on their face?

Yeah, sure...you'll get Perfect Justice and Pie in the Sky after you die. And if not, why surely you can pop back up out of the coffin and tell everyone you've been swindled.

No wonder the human species is going extinct, and will die as we lived as a species, as masters and slaves, sociopaths and their sheep, confidence men and their marks.

"...almost all women despise men who make less money than they do ..."

No Vlad, it has nothing to do with that, even tho you are a low income wage earner.

To paraphrase an old joke, your method of birth control is your personality, what little there is of that.

Even if you were a millionaire, you would probably still have to pay women to have sex with you, you would never have the same woman more than once, and they would probably still regret it afterwards, and go home to take very long, hot showers. They would probably also need counseling for awhile afterwards too.

Either that or you are a serial killler...

;[

Well now, here's the relevance, the soldering of the connection to what JHK keeps yanking the rope of the alarm bell about.

He [and many, many others] are trying to explain (futilely, it seems) that it's LONG past time to quit with the pretending, magical thinking, denial of realities, self-delusion, AND the bowing to those who do everything in their power to keep these paradigms in play.

Therefore, you can see why their faithful servants come to this site in hopes of disrupting conversations regarding looming, distasteful realities with liberal lashings of total bullshit (or just plain crazy crankiness and contention for its' own sake). It's not about "adding to the discussion with reasoned alternative ideas". Those who think it IS are deluding themselves... which would be the whole point.

How many in the Clown Car are clad in camo and paid, housed, fed and clothed by the Ministry of Propaganda? Would you really put it past them? It's a cheap and easy tactic, employing those whose lives are an example of a moral vacuum, and as you can see, people with ideas of actual value ARE driven away by the stinking flood of effluvia.

Soon you will witness another tactic straight out of the Rovian handbook; applying labels to others that belong firmly pasted onto themselves. Count on it as surely as night follows day.

Oops!
(What YOU said; turtle typist hyar.)

I am sorry to see that you are indeed running furiously in circles, ProgorCons.

Saying we cannot know the exact shape of the conspiracy is a far cry from saying it's unlikely or impossible that there is one.

But you must ride the merry-go-round back to where you started, musn't you?

Just because pedestrian factors unify authentic aristocratic conspiracies doesn't mean conspiracies don't exist. In fact, as has been stated before numerous times by numerous CFNers, criminal conspiracies rountinely take place among all classes of people. They are regularly prosecuted in courts around the nation and world every day.

It's is only our natural human inclination to bow to authority, wealth and power that lets us tell ourselves the lie that this universal human truth is somehow absent in our 0.01% Aristocratic Overlords.

Oh, Prog. Running in circles is no way to get to any kind of destination.

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Hindsight and history shows pretty conclusively that the Marshall Plan was no act of charity, though naturally it worked and continues to work as great PR masquerading as such, as you just demonstrated.

The Marshall Plan was about restoring European colonial power so that it would be able to control and manage that transition of the billions of enslaved "inferiors" from the old-style brute force colonialism & resource extraction to the new, psychologically managed and "economic brute force" colonialism of the IMF, WTO and yes, international banking (which now pretty much rules the world as nation-states continue to bow lower daily in subservience).

THAT'S realpolitik. That's the world we live in and a person simply cannot be too cynical about our vile aristocrats, mostly unchanged since, as JHK put it, the fops and strumpets of 1780s France, proclaimed Ben Franklin and freedom for the slaves of their ENEMIES, while simultaneously crushing their own enslaved peasantry beneath a barbarous wheel.

In other words: if the American Empire, successor in every way to the British Empire, had not rebuilt Europe so swiftly, the "wogs" might have shed their collars and chains to gain some actual freedom.

This simply could not be allowed by the Superiors, same in 1945 as it was in 1845, 1745, 1645, and so on...

More important than freedom to our aristocrats, is the Inferior Useless Eaters gaining access to the wealth generated by their own resources and to the resources themselves, which belong to the 0.01%, who chooses to dole them out to whichever henchpersons are the most useful idiots at the time.

The 21st Century American Peasantry are currently the most useful idiots to the 0.01%, but it's obvious that won't continue for a whole lot longer, in historical terms.

"Kurt, you are still overlooking the fact that without Nor Cal & Colorado river water, So Cal will revert to desert fast, and be unable to support the population at anywhere near the current level." -DJ

Why is the very basis of Life so often left out of these futurist equations? Plus, think of what efforts would have to be expended to "secure" a remotely provided water source! (Look what it's costing to nail down control of ME oil. EROEI, anyone?)

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"liberal lashings of total bullshit (or just plain crazy crankiness and contention for its' own sake)."
-ozone, to turkle, concerning CFN posters-

Hold on, Ozone. Verily, thou dost vent, violent and vitriolic, against viable verities.

Let me put that another way - I'd rather head out into the Long Emergency with a Cranky Yankee (that's you) and a Fluid Druid (that's MD), than with other personages from the Clown Car.

You and I have battled Religion to a draw several times. That doesn't mean I have changed my mind. It only means we have changed the subject.

At some point - a point reached more frequently by Turkle than by you, O3 - bashing religion and trying to convert CFN posters to Atheism, itself becomes counterproductive. If TLE is as close as you think, then you're going to have to indulge a certain amount of "Magical Thinking," in others, in hopes that they will extent what they consider to be the EXACT same consideration - to you.

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"How many in the Clown Car are clad in camo and paid, housed, fed and clothed by the Ministry of Propaganda?" -ozone-

I don't know. Maybe none. Certainly not vlad - you don't really think the US Propaganda Ministry would authorize "Racist" dialog, do you. No, they may authorize some heinous behavior, but they will never authorize Politically Incorrect thinking in public.

The one consistent block to dialog we've got on CFN is asoka. Look at how he just pissed off Xhalor last night - for no apparent reason except the pure Joy of F*cking up the Dialog. Ironic, since the place is already a ClusterFuck, huh?

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And X, I don't know what to tell you about asoka., except he lives to create discord and hate.

And there's always room for one Older Soldier (that's you, X) in my plans for TLE.

And there's no room at all for a Resident Impediment.

Hey CFT, When I talk to God it is called prayer, when God talks to me it is called Schizophrenia!

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

The term Mestizo has a very distinct social, rather than racial meaning. The Mestizo were the descendants of Spanish settlers in Europe who both attempted to conquer and ultimately intermarried with the indigenous American native tribes of the Southwest and Northern Mexico. Distinct culture, linguistic patterns, and shared history. Just as the Eastern and Western Hispanic populations are very different (Eastern population is a mix of Spanish, English, West Africans and Seminole).

Despite your comments, cultural history and antecedents are important, and I'm not trying to make any commentary about the relative merits or deficiencies of different socio-linguistic groups. I am Scots/Dutch/German/Flemish with a smattering of Algonquin, for what its worth, and my family settled in the Western Appalachians and the Midwest. My wife is a mix of Scots/English intermixed with French/Iroquois on one side (settling in Western New York and Eastern Canada) and Pacific Northwest Chinook on the other. While these origins don't dictate our day to day actions, they do serve to define our identities, beliefs and values.

I think one of the biggest myths in the United States is that it's a melting pot. It's not. It's only comparatively recently (within the last 60-70 years) that mobility reached a stage where people generally settled outside of fairly clearly established ethnic enclaves. In those places where such intermixing is high, the culture has generally benefited, but there's a tendency for the earliest settlers to have a disproportionately high influence on later settlers and for people to prefer to settle in regions that have values closest to one's own.

"How else could you gloss over the murderous inhumanity of Christianity and pretty much all organized religions, drivenby the widening chasm between their actions and their PR?"

Haven't you been listening? I condemn the actions of ungodly men and hold them accountable before Almighty God for their wickedness and oppression. This certainly includes hypocrites and con men who use religion to hide their iniquity.

"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. I [ messianicdruid ] will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these [filthy] dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds [they are] without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever. And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling [words], having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And of some have compassion, making a difference: And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Saviour, [be] glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen."

I mock the mockers and reprove the lawless.

"- you don't really think the US Propaganda Ministry would authorize "Racist" dialog, do you. No, they may authorize some heinous behavior, but they will never authorize Politically Incorrect thinking in public." -P2C

?????
And whyever not? If it's abhorrent and drives people away, it'll do. I really don't see why that would be difficult to understand. (Dehumanizing "the enemy" in order to make them easier to kill is okay, but racist rants to offend and repel is beyond the pale? C'mon now.)

As far as the magical religion thang, I'm happy to leave those long forced-marches to Turkle.
For one last time, I have to take exception to calling atheism "a religion". It ain't. You may call Science "a religion" to be the antithesis of the sky-ghost religions, I'd suppose.

If I am to be executed for being a heretical "non-believer" by raving, gimlet-eyed, suicidal death-cult worshipers, then so be it. Shit happens, and you get lucky or you don't. I'll respect peoples right to their self-delusion if they'll agree to keep it out of my face. But I'll not bend a knee to such a foolish excuse for external control of my existence and labors. (Taxes that provide for the commonweal are one thing; sky-gods, quite another.)

Kurt, thank you for your comments. Good dialog.

You say: "I think one of the biggest myths in the United States is that it's a melting pot."

I agree. I think the United States more resembles a garden salad, and I like it that way.

"I am sorry to see that you are indeed running furiously in circles, ProgorCons."

Nice post, HC, and a nice merry-go-round metaphor.
But you're on a merry go round of your own. The US RWA's, to continue the example, had complete and total control of the Whole Freakin' Earth (WFE) in 1945. They could have rolled up the Russians in a couple of months. They would have had complete world domination. You don't think the Gnomes of Zurich, London, or Paris had any RWA power at all in 1945, do you?

The RWA's in the US did not have to do the Marshall Plan in hopes that it would slowly evolve to a PR plan to divest colonial control from the European powers (you put it a little better) - Hell no, Man! The RWA's already HAD control - of the WFE.

"a philosophy that admits zero possibility of deviation, modification or alternative explanations."

Hancock, that's what you've got. No matter what events history throws at us, you spin them around your merry go round - to the point that the RWA's foreordained the whole thing.

Which brings us, naturally, to the American Civil War. I can prove the benefits of a Divided Union to human freedom around the World. I can easily postulate that 50 (hah! we never would have gotten to 50) laboratories of democracy would have been superior to the one unified RWA world power that the US has become.

I can prove that the RWA's HAD to win the American Civil War, otherwise they would have slowly lost power, through time, to the genuine will of the people.

You can postulate the opposite.
I can say a proof trumps a postulate. ;-)

You sir, are also likely to be welcomed into my TLE plans. We'll both need somebody with whom to argue honorably.

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BTW, before this website gets shut down by the Feds, or JHK?, I'll share this, again.

I've got a relatively anonymous email address:
betterhotwater @ aol . com

Trolls, spammers, haters, and impediments will be ignored. And I'm very slow with responses - even to those who do not troll, spam, hate, or impede.

But it's a way to find me.

MD,
I think [deep down] you know what is "right" and "wrong" regarding humankind and its' relation to our common home. I believe you know these things whether they happen to be backed by various texts, or not.
(This is strictly an observation from other things you've offered; NOT a condemnation.)

Procon, you and I disagree about the Muslim atrocity re: Mansour. I condemn the Muslim who did that.

I also condemn the atrocity of US Marines snipers who murder Afghanis and then stand over the bodies and urinate on them while joking and laughing. That dishonors the US military and I condemn that also.

I cannot create hate and discord by reporting on the ignorant and barbarian behavior of US military forces. X had that hate in him already.

Anyone, like X, who justifies such behavior dishonors and disgraces the USA military. Besides being a violation of the USA Military Code of Justice, it also endangers other soldiers and civilians in theatre.

If you want to stand with X on this, that is your right. I will condemn such barbaric behavior, just as I condemn Muslim barbaric behavior.

I agree with you, Ozone. I notice this when I read a so-called conservative columnist, like Thomas Sowell or David Brooks. Then tend to usurp the wordings of the valid criticisms observed by progressive thinkers, spin them into perverted, confusing bullshit. And of course they are paid for their skills with money and acclaim.
Sowell does this in nearly every column.

I and others who write to the daily paper, who publishes his column on Fridays, have called him on his BS over and over again.

One's participation in lasting change, beyond simple intellectual understanding requires ongoing motivation, intention and attention.

Dale, based on this,what WILL we name your clone?
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Ummmm.......a good nickname might be stinky.

CORRECTION

Procon, you and I agree about the Muslim atrocity re: Mansour. I condemn the Muslim who did that, as I believe you do also.

Turkle,
Were you raised in a fundamentalist household perhaps? I ask because I seldom see quite so much attitude about "religion".

Now, I probably agree with many of your views, but I've also seen cases where people follow some of the better teachings of religion, rather than the dogma or fear based nonsense, and that often seems to work out pretty well for them, in terms of their happiness and good heart. So, I would never disparage it entirely.

I don't consider Buddhism a "religion" BTW, since there is no creator being and nothing one must believe in, so none of your protests really feel personal to me.

You just seem, well.....a little over the top on the subject.

"I and others who write to the daily paper, who publishes his column on Fridays, have called him on his BS over and over again." -Ront

I'm glad there are those, like yourself, who attempt to call 'em like they see 'em.
I appreciate the effort that I no longer expend. (Maybe their work on me is done? Mired in cynicism? Could be, I dunno.)

Leon Trotsky was a confirmed liar.
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So he's just like the rest of us!

LOL!
...And now, out into the weird weather.
Thanks for the chortle.

While it may be true that my poo contains a lot of information. That is certainly preferable to poor Vlad's situation, which is the reverse of that condition.

Thank you. What I cannot abide is people reading what I quoted from Jude and pretending that someone in the Vatican penned these words. Why?

[With his history how could he be Pro Abortion?]
Whats his salary? [just wondering].
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I'm not sure about his salary, but, yeah, with his history his anti-abortion stance is somewhat understandable. And yet it felt staged in the name of agenda politics, which of course it was. He aligned himself with Focus On The Family which is a right-wing political group - that is what I do not like about Tebow.

He is a pretty good QB, I will grant that. Not great, although he had a great game the other day. As a southpaw with a bit of mobility he naturally imposes a sense of awkwardness of the opposition. As teams become more familiar with him that advantage will wane. He's no Ken Stabler though.

But all the "God' as it relates to outcomes of games is absolutely ridiculous, and yet, the evangelical crowd buys into it. I find that sort of bizarre. And it's not just a Christian thing, Chief Red Cloud, the Lakota leader, was reputed to have a ceremonial battle shield garment of some sort that allegedly made him impervious to enemy fire. According to lore, he once went to battle without it and suffered a wound via an arrow or bullet. I find this to be identical thinking to evangelical claims of divine intervention at a corporate sponsored sporting event in which MASSIVE amount of money are being made on the backs of working people.

Beyond that, I'm no fan of professional sports, as you might have guessed.

It's not a pet concern. Read and learn:

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/the-next-ice-age-and-the-anthropocene/

There's apparently a range of opinion as to when we will enter a new phase of glaciation or would have entered had human activities not intervened.

There's apparently a range of opinion as to the factors affecting the length of interglacials, the level of CO2 in the atmosphere required for a new round of glaciation.

According to one of them (Ruddiman) a new round of glaciation should have started thousands of years ago which is what Elrond was saying in his earlier post ie we're past due.

According to another study (Tzedakis) a new ice age would be due about 1,500 years from now if CO2 levels were back below pre Industrial Revolution.

According to another older paper (Kukla) we will enter a new round of glaciation very soon.

But it seems to me that there's a consensus that CO2 emissions are swamping natural processes that would start a new round of glaciation.

Technical glitch. Couldn't finish my last post.

So maybe I was wrong, maybe this problem wrt to inter-glacials has been examined at length. Maybe I just missed it. Maybe it's me that fucked in the head.

Or maybe the problem is asshole, posturing ideologues that that don't have a fucking clue that get all the airtime. Maybe the popular media favor heat and fury over substantive discussion.

Maybe this is all because the popular media has to cater to an idiot public that has the collective scientific literacy of fourth graders and the attention span of houseflies and so has to distill complex issues fraught with uncertainty into 10 second soundbites and articles that take two minutes to read.

So what do I know? What I read in the papers mostly and what I see on television.

Rhino,

I tend to agree with you concerning the lack of analysis skills.

Anthropogenic global warming started about 8500 years ago with the advent of agriculture, and may have been helped along with the sublimation of methane ices in the Mediterranean (and quite possibly the reconnection of the Black Sea, which may have been a lake at that point, with the Mediterranean, though this is still controversial). I've seen some studies which indicate that this anthropogenic effect has acted as a damper to the normal oscillating patterns of warming and cooling at the multi-millennial time scale.

Without human intervention, and given indications of decreasing sunspot activity of the sun, we would probably be about halfway along another ice age by now. If human population plummeted by 95%, this would be a worry. More likely would be localized minima, such as the possibility that the North Atlantic gyre should lose too much salt water as glaciers melt, and consequently cause the Atlantic current to stop. Again, however, there is comparatively little evidence is happening, only that is could.

There's also the possibility of another Maunder or Dalton minimum, given sunspot activity currently, which will likely create a cooling trend over the next thirty five years or so, but that won't become evident for another five to ten years. At worst, it will make for some cold winters, but again it's unlikely