Jive Talkin


     Well, he had to get up there and say something. In this particular winter of our discontent, the wispiest nostrums and baldest lies will do. America is not interested in reality. America is a nine-hundred pound man imprisoned in a fetid trailer bedroom begging for one more case of Little Debbie Cocoa Cremes before the front-end-loader bashes through the wall to haul him to intensive care. America just wants to hear another story about its own wonderfulness before that happens. America's soul is so lost that it has disappeared into the same cosmic wilderness that MF Global's client accounts were last seen entering.
     Mr. Obama keeps telling nationwide audiences that "we have a supply of natural gas that can last America nearly 100 years." That is just not true. If he believes it then he is either 1) getting treasonously bad advice from dishonest advisors or 2) not reading reports issued by his own agencies or 3) just making shit up. This was the same week, by the way, when the US Department of Energy dropped its estimate for the Marcellus shale gas play by 66 percent, while the estimate for all US shale basins went down 42 percent. The shale gas industry is another Ponzi bubble that is about to founder on a scarcity of investment capital. Just watch.
     The "energy independence" trope is a lie, too. At least in the sense that Mr. Obama means - that we can run the suburban clusterfuck and all its accessories by other means than fossil fuels. He just says it because it makes voters feel better. By the time they find out it was just a story, he won't need their votes anymore. Meanwhile, we'll do nothing to prepare for a different way of life, and so, necessarily, the result will be an obscene scramble for power and resources that will leave a lot of people dead.
     The topper for me, though, was the President's cheeky announcement that he'd ordered the Department of Justice to form a "special unit" to investigate mortgage fraud and other lethal irregularities in the banking sector. The fact that his congressional audience did not bust out laughing shows what a convocation of craven and perfidious cat's paws they are. Note to readers: the DOJ has a long-established criminal division fully empowered to prosecute all the familiar scams of our time from NINJA lending to the robo-signing of titles to MERS mortgage mischief, to the bundling and sales of booby-trapped CDOs - up to and including whatever Jon Corzine thought he was doing at MF Global.
     Notice how lame the major newspapers and cable news networks were in responding to Mr. Obama's impudent japery. None of them, including The New York Times, bothered to ask Attorney General Eric Holder what he's been up to along these lines for the past three years. It is really hard to account for the stupendous incompetence of the news media in recent years. Of course, I'm allergic to conspiracy theories and the only explanation that adds up for me is the diminishing returns of technology. Among other untruths we've embraced collectively is the idea that computer-distributed information amounts to knowledge and understanding, tending toward judgment. Apparently, it's only made our society much dumber and more irresponsible. After all, none of the supposed media watchdogs even asked The New York Times or The Wall Street Journal, or CNN and a hundred other outlets why they didn't interview the Attorney General of the United States and ask him why he has not been taking care of the business now assigned to this special unit.
     Not included in the State of the Union message was any reference to the provision in the recently signed National Defense Authorization Act that allows the US government to suspend due process of law and use the military to arrest and indefinitely detain US citizens on vague and opportunistic charges of "suspicion" You will remember a month ago when Mr. Obama signed the law and issued a "signing statement" that said his administration would not carry out these specific provisions. Did anyone notice that it is an impeachable offense for the president to state his opposition to enforcing the law? In which case, why isn't there a bill of impeachment making its way through Congress right now?
      I've had enough of Obama, though I voted for him in 2008. I won't vote for him again. But I'm not altogether confident that any of us will be voting for anyone in the fall of 2012. Too many systems we depend on are spinning out of control. I suppose we will continue feeding ourselves a diet of lies and evasions until circumstances become so extreme that language itself loses all relevance and only real action will answer. I believe that moment is approaching in the yet-to-be-acted-out political uproars of the spring and summer. In the meantime, American leadership is bankrupt. Just accept the fact that America has no legitimate leadership. The vacuum is total and we know how nature feels about a vacuum.
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Welcome to the club, Jim. You're right in line with what many of us have been saying from mid-2008 into mid-2009. From then on, it's merely repetition...

The shale gas industry is another Ponzi bubble that is about to founder on a scarcity of investment capital. Just watch.
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Thanks for the Monday fix JHK, gets my mind right to face the absurdity I know I'll encounter during the coming week.

One point though, when you write:

Meanwhile, we'll do nothing to prepare for a different way of life

some of us ARE preparing.

http://alttransbikes.blogspot.com

If Obama gets us involved in another imperialist war in the Middle East (this time against Iran), I know I won't be voting for him, and I wouldn't be surprised if the younger liberal base of the Democratic Party just ran away from him in droves in such an event.

And "First". Maybe.

James – “America remains the one indispensable nation in world affairs, and as long as I’m president, I intend to keep it that way.” This statement from Obama’s SOTU address only serves to further validate our fears about the continued direction of this hegemony and its corporate goons.

http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/monsanto-or-the-death-of-a-maiden/

Great writing James! Your anger is very real and extremely justified. I, too, felt the same disgust and rage at Obama's performance. But, as you noted, the MSM swallowed the whole thing, hook, line, and sinker without even a belch of indigestion. Today's essay is one of your very best and, I hope, will be much appreciated without the usual nitpicking and complaining. Thanks for really telling it like it is.

Here it is January in Memphis TN and I am sleeping with windows open! Happily when we deplete all the oil, coal, shale and natural gas we will stop man made warming however by that time its gonna be too late. And I don't want to vote for "O" either, but neither do I want to allow the "cornpone" Nazis to formally occupy the White House. What's a girl to do?

There is no organizing principle for America save abundance or "more." Post 1945 but pre-1965 America was becoming a unitary state with a unified culture, but the progressives blew it with the 1965 immigration law.

Theodore White himself wrote that that law was the worst piece of legislation by LBJ. It loosed upon America anarchy, and now we have a Mommy state trying to pacify the unpacifiable. You honestly think Mexican immigrants come to the USA to get "less?"

America is one 3000 mile wide Yugoslavia (hat tip Thomas Chittum author of "CWII")waiting to happen. Thanks folks, was hating whitey worth it?

Jim -

While The Paper of Record did give Obama and Holder a pass, it was interesting to note that many of the commenters on their SOTU article did not. I often find more insight in those comments than I do in the actual articles....

Hey Jude. I'm with you in regards to voting for Obama. But where is the alternative? People voted for Nader and look where that got us. There's no viable third party here.

JHK wrote: "America is a nine-hundred pound man imprisoned in a fetid trailer bedroom begging for one more case of Little Debbie Cocoa Cremes before the front-end-loader bashes through the wall to haul him to intensive care." LOL Kunsler at his best!

The comment I posted on the White House Facebook website prior to Barack Obama’s Las Vegas “energy” address:

The transition from an economy based upon a platform of petroleum to an as yet undefined combination of alternatives might likely stack up to be the most revolutionary undertaking in our nation’s history. As it is, a significant percentage of the population could precipitate from the formal taxed economy into far less formal untaxed local barter economies. Without strong leadership, possibly manifested in a “Manhattan Project” for energy, I’m afraid the percentage will be far higher. And, as it is and has been throughout our history, the wealth disparity, presently associated with the removal of the economy’s petroleum platform, will foster a Constitutional Crisis of epic proportions. I seriously doubt that the republic will survive if a certain somebody doesn’t step up to the Bully Pulpit and use it like he means it.

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Good post today, JHK

Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies....

When Carter told the truth, the lesson learned was that he committed political suicide. For any politician it was a "teachable moment".

Mr. Obama's stock and trade is hope, so here we go again...Hey it worked like a charm the last go-round how can you miss?

Well now you've got a record, sir.
Nobody believes it anymore.

At this point we know that a few select ultra wealthy use our political system as an auction and that there are $2 trillion being kept out of our economy by these criminals so that they can have lowered taxes and less regulations.

It is clear to all that the income disparity has become untenable and we can no longer boast to the world how great the opportunities are.

This country is closing down, but the words sung by those sweet sirens are meant to obfuscate reality as much as possible. Yes your politicians are nothing more than cheerleaders to make you all feel good.--Just can't wait to got to the voting booths to help your team win.--Only in reality we're all losing!

So we are looking at a group of candidates who are the poorest possible choices imaginable at this point.

Neocon Newt is bought by his friend Adelson and wife. Casinos and the Iran war is the expectation.

Willard offshores his assets in the Caymans and Switzerland while saying he has no hand in the low, low 13.9% tax rate, which he wants to reduce to even lower rates.
Bain Capital was one of many firms to hire lobbyists to reduce those rates. After being caught having invested in Freddie and Fanny he said it was in a blind trust, but further investigations show that there were other investments outside of the blind trust.

Do you trust this guy?

Yes, the country is going full tilt. Today Charles Hugh Smith used the metaphor of a dam whose floodgates are not being erected to save the land. Sooner or later this thing is going down and we won't be able to kick the can down the road anymore. Our system is a lie.

Maybe I missed O's exhortation to conserve, recycle, share, walk, bike, sacrifice... oh, yeah, he's running for reelection.

I too was wondering where the hell his attack poodles were the last 3 years. Did he just find out about this shit? Busy guy and all. Wait- they were shutting down medical pot clinics that were legal only on the state level. Silly states.

OOOhhh... something shiny over thar in Iran. Nothing is off the table my friends- except civil liberty, social justice and peace in our time.

Election? We will get to choose among a gold plated bucket of shit, a plastic bag of shit, and a rewarmed but folksy pile of shit.

Screw the elections. Let each candidate select a football team and they can duke it out between ads for shitty beer.

Speaking of fantasies about infinite energy, did anyone see the moron congress type from Luuusiana :)
this morning on CNBC with the talking heads. It (the fool from luuusiana) was all googled eyed and excited, claiming that the US is the #1 energy resource rich country in the world and Russia is #2. (My gods' penis is bigger then your god's penis!!!) He cited examples of "all the oil" in the gulf, the eastern and west coasts, ANWAR, etc etc Ad nauseum. He claimed that the only problem we have is the left; they just won't let us drill everywhere to get all this energy; he also completely lost any credibility he may have had with any but the nascar set when he said that fracking is totally safe.

We have a national of dumb downed morons from a public school system that is completely failed.
Where is jesus when we need him?????
lock and load.
Wardoc

.......meanwhile, a third carrier group is headed to the Straits of Hormuz. When all else fails, divert the attention of the sheeple with a war. If I was still in the stock market, I would be buying Raytheon big time!

Not sure who I 'trust' least:

1. The current dictator/regime

2. Stupid, ignorant, fat dumb and lazy drugged-out "American" consumer, -oops, I mean 'Citizen'.

America. Nation of Nothing and Serial Nobodies.

Newt should really capitalize on the situation- Crazy Times call for a Crazy President

One more thought concerning the media. The fourth estate is dead, except for a few outliers that nobody sees. I for one am glad they're there, but as for the rest of them. They are corporate entities who gain when you lose.
Don't expect critical thinking from them--their intersts are vested in your not knowing which end is up. That's their job.

Thanks for writing about this. Where did our national health insurance go when there was a two year democratic majority in which they controlled everything including of course the executive branch? Wouldn't relieving American companies of providing private health benefits to all full time employees have been a powerful spur to increased hiring? And didn't we leave Iraq because the Shiite Iraqi government asked us to leave? And moreover, why are we still in Afghanistan patrolling on the ground so that the troops can get blown up by unprecedentedly massive IEDs? And how come hundreds of Wall Street types aren't already in federal prison being bad men's improvised girlfriends? And why haven't we yet carpet bombed the pirate lairs of Somalia? Can't he find something fun for the navy to do other than the occasional rescue or termination with extreme prejudice of various Taliban or Al Quaida targets.

It doesn't occur to people that if the petroleum industry has to go to the lengths it must to obtain more oil and if this expenditure for arctic and offshore drilling is in fact justified then that must indicate that the supply is dwindling. But if you can't see global warming then you're not going to get that one either, but unfortunately such simpletons are still permitted to vote. I think we need to start voting for alternate candidates to try to start some sort of snowball effect with a payoff at some point in the future. Although I've voted Libertarian in the past I might try Green. Just because Ralph Nader got Dubya elected doesn't totally invalidate that party indefinitely.

Well, legitimate leadership comes from the constitution and the peoples' adherence to it. So I guess you could say that our leadership is legitimate, if you believe that it was duly elected by an informed citizenry. Now whether it's working for the good of the whole or only selected interests is another question. It may not be a conspiracy, but there is a power structure that is in control and its name is not democrat or republican. We, as a people, are ok with it as long as it delivers its promised "bread and circuses" without too much trouble or expense. The MSM is complicit in it as much as their "bread" comes from cooperating from, and, being part of it.
I continue to be amazed that Ron Paul is still not considered a viable alternative. I think the MSM has done a very good job in marginalizing him and his ideas. C'est triste!

If I was still in the stock market, I would be buying Raytheon big time!
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Yey! More money for war, genocide, and stealing other peoples natural resources. You sanctimonious blood vultures are so disgusting, it's beyond belief.


I work right next door to a Chesapeake Energy office in New York State that specializes in fracking, or as I call them, 'Mother frackers'. The Chesapeake parking lot is full of full size V8 pick ups and not one of them has been converted to run on all this cheap natural gas that is supposed to be under our feet. Well.....10,000 feet down that is. So what is up with that? Yep....it is all based on a fossil fuel platform. It has been strangely quiet in the Southern Tier of New York since Chesapeake has announced cutting back on drilling due to 'low prices' of gas. Hmmm....last year at this time the local and State Governments were a-flutter with the promise of the drilling. The lure of easy money has a very strong appeal when the State, like the Federal Government, is insolvent.

Carter was the last president to tell the American public the truth and he was defeated by a guy whose first official act as president was to tear down the solar panels on top of the White House roof. The Reagan administration proclaimed conservation to be a moral virtue with no place in government. Carter not only talked the talk, but successfully reduced America's dependence on foreign oil by 1/3. God was Carter taken to the wood shed for speaking the truth and the lesson was ingrained in the political establishment from then on.

I had much more positive things to say about the State of the Union address than you did, but I have to admit they all fall under the heading of "Happy Motoring--for now!" The long run is something else altogether, and even Newt Gingrich's lunar colony, I an idea I like in the abstract but not in the concrete, won't be what will save us from our predicament.

http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

Whoa. I think Gaz was being sarcastic.

Ask the poor folks in Tioga and Bradford Counties in PA that can light a match to thier drinking water at the kitchen faucet since the Mother frackers came to town how safe fracking is.
Not so much!

JHK sez:
" Notice how lame the major newspapers and cable news networks were in responding to Mr. Obama's impudent japery. None of them, including The New York Times, bothered to ask Attorney General Eric Holder what he's been up to along these lines for the past three years. It is really hard to account for the stupendous incompetence of the news media in recent years."

JFK once observed:

"No President should fear public scrutiny of his program. For from that scrutiny comes understanding; and from that understanding comes support or opposition. And both are necessary. I am not asking your newspapers to support an Administration, but I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people. For I have complete confidence in the response and dedication of our citizens whenever they are fully informed.

I not only could not stifle controversy among your readers -- I welcome it. This Administration intends to be candid about its errors; for as a wise man once said: "An error doesn't not become a mistake until you refuse to correct it." We intend to accept full responsibility for our errors; and we expect you to point them out when we miss them.

Without debate, without criticism, no Administration and no country can succeed -- and no republic can survive. That is why the Athenian lawmaker Solon decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy. And that is why our press was protected by the First Amendment -- the only business in America specifically protected by the Constitution -- not primarily to amuse and entertain, not to emphasize the trivial and the sentimental, not to simply "give the public what it wants" -- but to inform, to arouse, to reflect, to state our dangers and our opportunities, to indicate our crises and our choices, to lead, mold, educate, and sometimes even anger public opinion."
04-27-61, Address to the American Society of Newspaper Publishers, Waldorf Astpria Hotel, NY, NY
As George Santyana once observed, "Those who will not learn from their history are condemned to relive it"

"Crazy Times call for a Crazy President"

Based on your handle, you gave the wrong response to your own call. Ron Paul fits both much better.

Not that I'm voting for Paul, but he would be the best person to satisfy Freewheeling Ferdinand from the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers: "Dope makes it easier to get through times of no money than money makes it to get through times of no dope." Of course, voting for Paul because of his anti-imperialism and pro-legalization would be like voting for Newt Gingrich because of his advocacy on behalf of a Moon base, while ignoring everything else.

"Election? We will get to choose among a gold plated bucket of shit, a plastic bag of shit, and a rewarmed but folksy pile of shit. "

Shecky, I am keeping that one! Awesome, sad, and pointedly true. Well said!

Senor James,
Great piece t'day; it's an uncomfortable reality you're addressing, but sombody's gotta do it (glad it happens to be you, it's at least entertaining that'a'way)!

This part got me stirred up:

"...The shale gas industry is another Ponzi bubble that is about to founder on a scarcity of investment capital. Just watch.
The "energy independence" trope is a lie, too. At least in the sense that Mr. Obama means - that we can run the suburban clusterfuck and all its accessories by other means than fossil fuels. He just says it because it makes voters feel better. By the time they find out it was just a story, he won't need their votes anymore. Meanwhile, we'll do nothing to prepare for a different way of life, and so, necessarily, the result will be an obscene scramble for power and resources that will leave a lot of people dead." -JHK

I absolutely concur. "The folks" are comfortable (fat 'n' happy) and do not want to be apprised that their ease is unsustainable. So, just as you say, they won't be. (There are a few carcasses yet to be picked clean.)

The "scramble" will be extremely ugly, and I would urge people to prepare for that eventuality. If it doesn't go down that way, we'll just consider that we got lucky and call it good. The unprepared doin' the "scramble"? Not so good [for them OR the prepared].

...uh, yes I was, but sarcastic humor does not go over well around here. Mika needs to look up the meaning of "sanctimonious". Using big words improperly smells like recent public schooling.

Whoa. I think Gaz was being sarcastic.
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Yeah, sure. And that sarcasm is reflected in the popularity of $AAPL or $RTN or $MON stock, etc.

Don't expect critical thinking from [the corporate media]--their interests are vested in your not knowing which end is up. That's their job. -LB

Correct. And, as JHK explicitly pointed out, 'mercans don't want the truth, can't handle the truth, and desperately want to be bullshitted because it makes 'em FEEL better! (Besides, thinking is HARD.)

Seems that we should have psychiatrists helping to analyze our state of the union. But then again they would probably just prescribe some prozac or other feel good concoctions.Maybe we still have enough resources and with the proper application of our science and technology ,we could do it right.From this viewpoint our crisis is one of consciousness a consciousness of low quality and high entropy. Our political economic religious institutions have evolved in the antagonism of the opposites and nuture beliefs and ideologies that are leading us further down the road of greater imbalance to eventual non-existence.We need something new ,when we realize that balance is the way of reality then something new will evolve , something sustainable and in alignment with reality. In the meantime remain cynical and afraid.

PUSH ON. DO GOOD. KEEP SMILING.

Really good posting, K.
Just don't expect any "steppin' up" from those who happen to be the paid toadies of Wall Street and MegaCorpInc. That just leads to frustration and bitter disappointment.

Rocky Anderson is running as a Third party thoughtful alternative to Obama...

https://www.voterocky.org/node/253

Rocky Anderson is accepting no contributions above
$100, he was very popular in conservative Utah and
an fierce opponent of the Wars and advocate of Salt Lake City's Light Rail system...

There will be an election in Nov. 2012, if for no other reason than candidate spending will keep the economy energized for a few more months. Mr. O-BOMB-a (if you pay attention to his warmongering) is banking (quite literally in the Banksters’ pockets) that appearing to be the only sane man in the asylum will make him palatable. Sorry, but that Brand Obama Kool-Aid isn’t going to be on the menu for many of us this time. I’m spending my write-in vote on Elizabeth Warren for POTUS.


Another case of cognitive dissonance is the progressives who find Kunstler's predictions credible and yet cling to political policies that are utterly absurd if Kunstler's view of the future proves to be accurate.


I mean you can't have it both ways. There will be no large centralized government in our future if Kunstler's predictions prove correct.

You want to pile on new roles for the federal government such as universal health care? There won't be any frigging government.

You are just as delusional as those who are oblivious to Peak Oil.

Ozone

Not all of us like to be lied to. We shouldn't all be lumped together--that's how they justify their fraudulent system.

Oh, don't you know that's what the people want?

Jim and all the gang

Great article Jim, I see you must have had a bad weekend, because you are just dripping venom this morning. Yup nice and cranky just like I like you to write. Well is anyone surprised at O bummer's performance, really seriously? The guy has been revealed little by little like a hoochi dancer taking off one miniscule piece of lingerie after another. We now have a pretty good idea that the goods he advertised just aren't there. It's like the huge disappointment at the local Kitty Cat club when Miz Kitty turns out to be Old Cranky Tabby who likes her chocolate and cake. You know who she is, she is your old English teacher forced to find a new "career" because Gov Christie stole her retirement funds, so give her a tip anyway.

As for Eric of the Dept of Injustice, well he has been too busy running Fast and Furious guns to deal with mere financial chicanery. So get real folks cause they are doing exactly what they were hired to do, finish any semblence of Constitutional America.

Strait of Hormuz calamity dead ahead. Those solar flares are really messing with the old neuro electrical system of homo sapiens. What else can explain the barking madness on display like a freak show gone bad.
loveday

I voted for Obama and will not be voting for him in 2012 and I will not vote for the prospective Republican candidates. A fool sitting a Lyndon LaRouche for President table outside my local post office asked me if I was ready to vote Obama out of office to which I replied I would not be voting for the position President of the United States in 2012. His response was surprise and perhaps bewilderment. Why vote for a President in 2012? The choices are None of the Above and the bottom line is if you don't vote for the position you won't been berating yourself for the incompetent you helped elect or reject.

Also lacking in the President's SOTU message - which should have been delivered via e-mail with a PDF - was any mention of campaign finance reform or any remedies to the Supreme Court's heinous "corporations are people" Citizens United decision, which has resulted in a free-flow of cash by the special interests to the whore-mongers in Congress who claim to represent the "public interest." I can only conclude he like the rest, are content with the status.

Truly, but those of us who'd rather deal with the outcomes of uncomfortable predicaments than have them papered over are in a distinct minority. That's my observation from peeking around me. ...A lot of cognitive dissonance sizzling through a passel of social interactions as well!

"There's something happening here, but you don't know what it is; do you, Mr. Jones?" -R. Zimmerman

I agree, the Obama administration has been disappointing. But the "Corn Pone Nazis" are out there huffing and puffing. I'm voting for many things, including:
The ability to insure my kid until he's 26.
The requirement that all employers fund contraception(we must fight for this to remain in the healthcare law.)
A party that will not spend the whole time trying to overturn Roe v. Wade.
A party that doesn't devote every waking moment to trying to tell people who they can marry and what they can do in the bedroom.
A party that will at address the student loan debacle.
The party that extended unemployment benefits.
A party that doesn't base its whole creed on getting even with some imagined welfare mother.
It is unfortunate that our system is so corrupt, but if you are going to vote, you have to vote for the group that isn't absolutely intent on making things worse.
And then I intend to keep supporting Occupy, because the only way to regain any control of our system is to make the overlord bastards fear the rest of us--through peaceful protests.

Yeah, peaceful protests. That's some scary shit.

Max:

The flood of money in campaigns going on right now I do find disturbing.

However, the first major effect of the campaign finance system we have now is that Romney was able to derail Newt Gingrich in Iowa through the use of a blizzard of big-money negative campaign ads, and it appears that will happen once again in Florida and that will probably derail Gingrich for good.

It would be a hard case to make to claim that Romney has any more of a clue than Obama. However, I think even progressives would agree that a President Gingrich would be worse than either of those two.

...And the POTUS' continuing bullshittery is not helping any kind of understanding of our various predicaments!! This is not just "benign calming", it's dangerous. The train is heading full speed for the end of the line, the fireman keeps shoveling on the coal, and no one is at the throttle.

Place yer bets!

So anyway, Citizens United may very well have very negative effects in the long run. But the first effect has been to derail Newt Gingrich, whom I consider an ignorant buffoon.

hard not to notice that other commentators are citing the recent comments by Nicole Foss who has recently stressed that things are going to be devolving from "Core" powers into more local and regional arrangements , much as outlined in the Long Emergency.

Ever more grateful to have pulled up stakes and settled in an agricultural region 'far from the maddening crowd," here on the edge of the jungle.

Tom at puebloverde.org

Keep up the good work Jim, maybe someone will start listening, and best of luck to all your devotees in making their own arrangements for the interesting times ahead.

I like the 900 pound man analogy. I can smell the diesel fuel from the approaching backhoe already.
If any readers care to wean themselves off the fossil fuel teat, or at least give it a start, see my instructions for building a solar oven from junk you probably have in your basement.
See it at http://eighthacrefarm.blogspot.com

First , I believe that this nation should commit itself ...

LOL

Well, good luck with that. Sincerely. That takes guts and dedication.

Howsomever:
I'll be observing closely to see just how that works out for you. (...Whilst making other arrangements.)

(thnx, tpverde)

Oh boy all of CFN is in high form today, especially liked the reference to " shitty beer". JHK is my dj of choice! The last time Ralph Nader claimed there was no difference in the parties ended with W, Iraq, Katrina, 9/11 and a full horror house of neo-con bullshit, I will hold my nose and vote for the " O" man.

O.T.G. might as well waste your vote, it does'nt mean anything anyway!

...and a party whose lawmakers have not sworn to oppose out of hand every single piece of legislation proposed or put forth by the sitting president.

Judging from the arrests that have been happening,including pepper spraying peaceful protesters--yes, they are scary shit. My point exactly. What it takes is numbers.

The election is supposed to be about what kind of country we want to live in. I know what kind of country I want to live in, but this ain't it. Everything I want to see happen here - restoring intercity rail, public medical insurance, et al. - hasn't happened in America and it never will.

Which is where occupy comes in. The more support the better.

...because the only way to regain any control of our system is to make the overlord bastards fear the rest of us--through peaceful protests. - DC

DC, I'm all for peaceful protest and it could work if the overlord bastards, as you call them, were reasonable people. Which they're not. If they were reasonable we wouldn't be in the multiple interlocking messes we're in now.

If the overlord bastards were reasonable people they might have exerted themselves mightily to provide enlightened leadership (which they haven't). They would have counselled moderation to the sharpies on Wall Street and bullshitters in the C Suites and then used the levers of political power and enforcement to compel (none of which happened). They would use common sense with such dangerous places as Pakistan (none as yet in evidence).

The overlord bastards are not going to listen to sweet reason. They mock the OWS protestors and dismiss the rest of us.

Hate to say it Dream but peaceful protest won't cut it. Dispruptive protest maybe but I think that the pressure will get to the point where you get violent unrest. Unless the overlord bastards are directly threatened either financially or physically they won't fear anybody.

James Kunstler, Did you notice the rapid blink rate and the look on the face of Eric Holder when he arose to acknowledge O's commitment to investigating the activities on Wall Street that resulted in 2007-08 economic crunch?

As I recall from psychology 101 rapid blinking of the eyes is indicative of one who is experiencing unpleasant feelings such as stress, anxiety, and pain; in other words, extremely nervous.

SNAFU

As my nephew would say, "here we go, picking on the fat kid again". I see just as many fat people eating in fine restaurants as you seem to envision sitting in trailers. I see more wife-beaters, druggies, and assorted other non-fat humans occupying these nests. The tattoo level however, does seem to be a "bit" out of whack.

Howdy Mila, Got to agree with you and Dream. I would much rather take my chances with the party that is somewhat willing to toss we peons a crumb or two rather than the party that wants the cake and all the crumbs for themselves.

SNAFU

America is a nine-hundred pound man imprisoned in a fetid trailer bedroom begging for one more case of Little Debbie Cocoa Cremes before the front-end-loader bashes through the wall to haul him to intensive care.

Hilaritragic and apt image, Jim, but I suspect there is actually neither a front-end loader that is going to show up to rescue the man nor any intensive care unit that could do him any good.

As for the press -- I know you don't believe in conspiracies, but the fact is that the broadcast networks, most of their affiliates, the cable systems, most of the channels they carry and the few remaining daily newspapers are owned by 5 or 6 big corporations. The commentators and "journalists" working for them know which side of the bread the butter is on and don't have to have explicit instructions about what to say (although some of them do get them). So while it may not be a conspiracy in the sense of a bunch of guys sitting around a big table in a smoke-filled room, it works just as well as one. Maybe better.

"And I don't want to vote for "O" either, but neither do I want to allow the "cornpone" Nazis to formally occupy the White House. What's a girl to do?"

I intend to make my vote and any ability I have to promote be a statement, a stand on truth, not on JIVE. Obama has proven to be Not-see lite. There are at least two truly progressive candidates ready and willing to receive our votes and support, Jill Stein and Rocky Anderson.

The political game is rigged by those who run it. These folks are ruthless, ignorant, and arrogant, and will get what they in the cleverest of ways. Let us leave them to wake up to their heartlessness and start a new game by doing whatever it is we can do to contribute toward a better world for all. Winning elections is not the end of anything. Giving without thought of return, serving without thought of reward will win hearts, one at a time. This will fulfill our inherent duty toward one another. It is what matters after all.

You kinda got a point. But, the pepper sprayed protesters I saw were not all that peaceful. They encircled the cops and prevented their egress, which scared the cops, who reacted with the gas.

Thus, not so peaceful protests evoke a not so peaceful response, giving us an image which may be manipulated to advantage in the struggle. The escalation of this cycle may yet engender a revolution, but it will not be peaceful. Our anger, and their fear, are justified.

The thieves of us will not yield gently the spoils of their perfidy. Their minions, our brothers and sisters, will pay the price by proxy before the tumbrils roll.

You express the thought that none of us may be voting in 2012, which can happen as declarations of martial law throughout the land are used to stop the elections. The governor (D) of N.C. "suggested" last year that the national elections of 2012 be suspended so that the legislators could do the necessary work for our nation without the stress of running for office. Had to be a stalking horse straight out of the WH, as she could hardly come up with that ridiculous suggestion on her own. Order the unions and Occupy into the streets, bolstered by the genuine disaffected, and Hussein has his martial law and reason for a tempory suspension of national elections, which the Demoncrats would support overwhelmingly, not to mention the compliant MSM. Then, we can all proceed to finishing the job of creating a dictatorship to rule over our once-great country and finish the destruction so desired by the left. Going to need a lot of holding cells for a lot of citizens.

seems funny to me that dubya stealing florida (remember the supreme court stopped the recount, and so on)so often still gets balamed on Nader. I'm pretty sure that's an idea that serves the DNC more than the electorate.

Just accept the fact that America has no legitimate leadership.

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I'm not sure what this means. Leadership? Or government? Or both?

So many are talking about voting or not voting on CFN. Who you vote for, or whether you stay home and don't vote, does not matter as long as you pay taxes to continue to fund it.

If you really believe the leadership/government is illegitimate, will you continue to fund it on April 15?

I believe the best legal way to not support war, to not fund that with which you disagree, is to simplify your life and lower your income voluntarily to the point of not having to pay any taxes.

A simple low-income lifestyle is zero-risk legally, and has the added advantage of lowering your carbon footprint.

It is unfortunate that our system is so corrupt, but if you are going to vote, you have to vote for the group that isn't absolutely intent on making things worse. - DC

"...isn't absoluely intent on maling things worse..." Hmmm. So that how far things have decayed?

And which group would that be? Sometimes the road to hell...

John Reed (ex CEO of Citi) was on a show with Bill Moyers and they were talking about the goings on in the Clinton administration during which the banking industry was allowed to have its way. A really good show. It was enlightening. The point is that a Democratic aadministration was in Wall Street's pockets and their actions helped set the stage for the calamities in the decade following.

Even if Al Bore won the 2000 election (and he should have won bigtime as the bubble economy was still percolating and bubbling but he fucking messed it up) what would have happened? 9/11 would still have happened and Al baby would have come under enormous pressure to kick ass, someone's ass, anybody's ass as long as they had beards.

Not to say that the invasion of Iraq would have happened. Maybe, maybe not. IMO the Dems haven't exactly cornered the market in wisdom and common sense.

Who's to say Al wouldn't have made as big a mess than Dubya? Maybe the pressure from various factions and parties to depose Maddas Hussein would have still been unbearable and, who knows, Al might still have given the green light. Who can say what his administration would have done or not done.

Do you have faith in Obama? Is he the least worst alternative? Is Mitt worse? Maybe. I dunno....

my 12:11 post was in reply to Dreamcycle.

Yes, it does seem to be a choice of the proverbial lesser of two evils, isn't it? And Dream Cycle, I agree with you about Occupy. I think we need to give peaceful protest a chance before throwing in the towel. If it were wide-enough spread, peaceful protest would move mountains. For instance, taking money out of banks, and dis-investing yourself (divesting?) from the "marketplace." These things would be noticed. There are lots of things that the Occupy movement began and continues. Let's see what transpires in the Spring before we give up on anything.

On Saturday, I testified at a People's Tribunal on Monsanto. I posted my testimony here -

http://wagelaborer.blogspot.com/

because if I'm going to go to the trouble of writing a speech, I'm putting it on my blog.

There will be 2 more Tribunals, and then, supposedly, a DVD released. They were taping it.

I'm generally with you, but the only problem with disruptive action is that it just gives them an excuse to use their ever ready violent tactics. Not that they need an excuse, considering they will pepper spray people who are actually sitting peacefully (Oakland.) However, Occupy is just a beginning, and they can also use their growing numbers to influence Wall street in various ways.
Again, it's numbers. I have worked in municipal government for years, and while that is usually not the corporate govt that we are speaking about, I have always been amazed at how quickly mayors and aldermen actually do react to VERY small numbers of complaints. Often the "complainers" are met with and listened to, and often they get at least some of whatever they want.
Obviously, it's not going to be that easy on a large scale. But we have to take a stand,lots of us, since corporations can now own politicians. Beyond that, what do you suggest, besides disruptive (violent?) action?
Meanwhile, we have made many gains, both small and large, that the right would love to stomp, and I'd rather not just step aside and let them stomp away.

I had to go to work and missed the second half of the Tribunal, but we had two seed cleaners testify.

I don't know if you realize it, but Monsanto hassles seed cleaners (who help farmers save their seeds for replanting) and the farmers who use them.

They literally send goons in window-tinted SUVs to drive onto farmer's land and threaten them. Monsanto hired Blackwater for their services.

The seed savers say that the farmers blamed them, but of course they didn't turn in their customers! How stupid can you get? But farmers are turning against farmers, including people who have been neighbors for generations.

They suspect that Monsanto put GPS devices on their cars, and that's how they found which farmers to harass.

Sad but true...

To all who posted about fracking and natural gas, don't you worry.

Obama is looking out for you!

He announced that he will advocate that companies must reveal the toxic chemicals they use.

That means that when your child is dying of leukemia, in between trips to the city for chemotherapy, you can research what chemicals may have given your child cancer.

And then you can find a lawyer willing to sue the corporations with their suites full of corporate lawyers.

Unless, of course, tort reform laws have limited your ability to sue. Certainly, you can no longer get together with other bereaved parents and file a class action lawsuit.

Such a populist President!

I agree MILA,
Otherwise I couldn't get up in the morning....

I think I'll just eat my gun when the time comes...

They count on our love of the little things to keep us in line on the big things. We love cheap gas so we accept the war in Iraq and BP's evil shenanigans, fracking, &ca. Straits of Hormuz? Jesus gave us that in the by god holy bible.

We love cheap food so we turn away from water pollution, animal cruelty, and genetic engineering. Et fucking cetera.

You get bread, a circus, and the king gets to fuck your daughter on her wedding night.

What gains have we made? Equality of worth, regardless of race, gender or economic status, is our right, as specified in the Constitution, the only document holy to me. Any "gain" on this front is only a grudging acknowledgment of what was ours to begin with. What do I have to give back to keep my right to dissent, to assemble, to speak in public? For my vote to count as much as some murdering millionaire's?

Non negotiable.

The best part of today's post was the observation that all of our computer-distributed information doesn't equal more information and knowledge tending towards judgement. A non-stop tsunami of gossip and opinion, which is what our media has been reduced to in the past couple of decades, most definitely does not inpart any useable knowledge.

Add to this the fact that newspaper readership is plummeting and younger generations seem only interested in tweeting the latest piece of personal irrelevance, and the way is wide open for some charismatic manipulator, or worse, to dupe the ignorant masses into power. Then the real fun will begin.

the only way to regain any control of our system is to make the overlord bastards fear the rest of us--through peaceful protests.

You can protest without even leaving your house by not paying federal income taxes.

The number of Zero-Tax Filers, as a percentage of Tax-Filers, has been steadily increasing:

1980 ... 21.3%
1985 ... 18.5%
1990 ... 21.0%
1995 ... 24.5%
2000 ... 25.2%
2004 ... 32.6%
2008 ... 36% (most recent IRS data)

SOURCE: Record Numbers of People Paying No Income Tax; Over 50 Million "Nonpayers" Include Families Making over $50,000

You don't like perpetual war with Middle Eastern countries? You don't think the government is legitimate?

Then don't pay for it.

Hi, lbendet. I must take issue with your statement that Carter was ill-received by the American people. That's the lie we're told, but actually, the polls showed that Americans approved of the wear-a-sweater speech.

It was the 1% that didn't like Carter. So they put Reagan in, and now we're told that we all loved him.

I picked up a book from 1989 at the used book store, and thought of you. It's pretty amazing to read a time capsule from that era. It's called "The Money Culture" by Michael Lewis, kind of a less-entertaining Matt Tahibbi of the 80s. I wonder what happened to him. Anyway, it's a collection of his columns about the Wall Street crimes of the 80s.

From one column (July, 1989) "Last month Salomon Brothers found itself censured by the Securities and Exchange Commission for making illegal short sales during the crash of October 1987. What was interesting about the case wasn't that Salomon in the heat of the moment broke the law, but that management after sober reflection tried to hide the evidence. That small act of defiance was truly haunting"

Wow! Like I said last week about something else, how far have we fallen?

Now, Wall Street is openly defiant and openly commits illegal acts. And the SEC doesn't even pretend to investigate.

And listen to this-

"Second, House leaders Jim Wright and Tony coelho have lost their jobs partly because their hands were found deep in the pockets of money men. In a newly chastened Washington, money is less likely to have its way."

Wow!

Low Income/Simple Living as War Tax Resistance
http://nwtrcc.org/practical5.php

By taking a stand that requires personal change and perhaps personal sacrifice, you demonstrate the depth of your commitment to a more just world. Anyone can complain about the government and ask it to change, but it means much more to change your own life and put your money where your mouth is. Some resisters find that resisting the whole package of consumerism, overconsumption and taxation appeals to them more than other tax resistance strategies. Some discover that by living simply they live more satisfying and meaningful lives, and would choose to live this way even if it didn’t help them to resist taxes. Some prefer this method of tax resistance because it can be accomplished within the law, demonstrating their desire to be law-abiding citizens without at the same time having to violate their consciences.

And finally, in a part about Wall Street trying to give a report to Congress about the wonderful benefits of leverage buy-outs (back when America had productive companies that could be bought, stripped, ripped apart and sold for profit)-

"For a survey, however, it was remarkably one-sided in favor of LBOs. It omitted most of the literature, including a seminal paper by Benjamin Bernanke, a Princeton economics professor who makes a strong case that the leveraging of corporate America could end in tears. The SIA paper was a survey of little except the half-truths and veiled threats Congress is likely to hear from investment bankers if it tries to interrupt Wall Street's newest money game."

Wow!!

Where was Eric Holder for the last 3 years, when he should have been prosecuting Wall Street bankers with the existing laws, with existing personnel?

Well, the FBI has turned from investigating white collar crime to entrapping "terrorists", taking disgruntled young men, firing them up, providing them with materials, and then "breaking up terrorist cells".

Meanwhile, Eric Holder is busily attacking legal marijuana operations in California and Colorado.

What do you expect from a man who was in a law firm that represented the MERS corporation, which made the explosion of gambling on mortgages possible?

I don't know what "americans" thought of Carter. I voted for him, twice. In my opinion the last decent man we had in the office. I met his daughter many times at a book store in ATL, nice young lady.

I really could not believe the election results of 1980. What the hell happened? Somehow it became wrong to conserve energy, wear a god damn sweater when it is cold, and think about tomorrow?

He was received poorly by the american people of my acquaintance. The douchebags blamed him for OPEC, the blowback from the CIA overthrow of Mossadegh in 1956, and the military defeat in Viet Nam.

I lost any real hope for America in 1979. Only Newton's First Law keeps me going. The Outside Force is too weak to overcome my inertia.

God damn Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama.

Ahhh..Sir James: "Twas just a few thin years ago that you were telling us that Lord Obama was nothing short of the second coming. How times do change indeed.

Unfortunately, though, the right doesn't agree with us about ours rights...

Jill Stein is also running as an alternative to the corporate control of the US.

http://www.jillstein.org/

I laughed at that speech. But what else would one expect? O'mama b-a-a-a rama is desiring the votes of/is President of, the loony middle class.

Well said, shecky.

While I do not share Carter's Christian beliefs, at least he wasn't putting on an act to get votes. Out of office he continued to pick up a framing hammer and build houses for Habitat for Humanity, getting his hands dirty and rubbing shoulders with poor folks.

Carter didn't need to do that as an ex-president. Right decent human being. Just wasn't macho enough for the war mongers motivated by fear and/or greed.

I agree about Carter. Also, 1979 was when it seemed like political awareness and environmental conservation got replaced, not only with hyper-consumption, but with I'm OK/You're OK psycho-babble. It was like a whiplash change...

The latest post has her position on fossil fuels and on fracking.

http://www.jillstein.org/

Nudeworld said "the progressives blew it with the 1965 immigration law."

Well, put in context, the imported labor thing was standard practice, going back 100s of years.

Pinning the tail on that donkey at 1965 is a little dubious. Were the stakes that high back then?

Mexicans were immigrated for the industrial agriculture sector, by and large. It was a succession of mistakes plotted either direction from 1965, plus or minus. Of course, the closer you get to the present day, the greater the magnitude of the problem.

So either way, there was more corporate consolidation, more immigrants, more intensive retrograde agricultural practices every decade following. In 1965, the mexican field worker was a picturesque part of the scenery. As they were dusted with pesticides from airplanes.

The metaphor of the can being kicked down the road is only correct if the can doubles in size every few revolutions. Every time it needs a new kick it requires more effort because it is bigger and bigger.

Eventually pain ensues. "The failure to understand the exponential function" - A. Bartlett

"'. The Chesapeake parking lot is full of full size V8 pick ups and not one of them has been converted to run on all this cheap natural gas that is supposed to be under our feet."

A lot of people believe that cars and trucks can be easily retrofitted. This is not true. A conversion to natural gas is expensive and complicated. Methane is highly explosive and rather unstable. It must be stored at 3000 psi. It tends to corrode things. Technically it is possible. You will pay several thousand dollars for no increase in efficiency, and a premium for the fuel, not to mention the cost of a fueling infrastructure. Good luck when the tank goes empty and you wish to fill a jerry can with a gallon.

Every gas engine built by the majors is like a yawning stomach, an iron metabolism waiting to convert ancient sunlight to carbon dioxide. And they will. When people invest in technology they will use it- otherwise it is a loss, and people psychologically count losses as severe. No, it is only by habitual use and exploitation of the power and visceral thrills of acceleration and speed, does a human being find closure with his decision to purchase or own one of these things. As the psychological morphology of technological use resembles prosthetic enhancement, no one notices the organic decay of the body. They are too entertained by the car's human pleasure inducing systems, which are like precision munitions separating self from body. The act of controlling the power of a vehicle, moving at speed, the thrill of acceleration and the pleasure of heated leather seats are all dopamine-mediated reactions every bit as addictive as heroin or cocaine. There is no more carefully designed system to stimulate human beings. Driving is a peak experience for most people. From the outside looking in, a traffic jam is a drudgery, a picture of organic stasis, a body at rest. It is like gazing upon the patrons in an opium den. The car is cocoon. Later, the Automobile's grim reaper will ferry the living to their place of rest, planted in the ground. The stretch hearse always has a V-8 with a sensibly muffled exhaust system. We are powerfully stimulated to remember vestigial memories of the womb when we are in cars sealed away from the elements. We relapse into a somnolent state. The audio system of a car recreates the vascular regularity of a heartbeat.

Ain't nobody gonna be driving natural gas except private and municipal fleets which can invest in massive storage and delivery systems, and sign for large fueling contracts.

Now, you can make a synthetic fuel using methane as a feedstock, but the process itself uses energy.

In WWII there was gas rationing. You turned your engine off at the top of a hill and then used its momentum to restart it near the bottom. The old Fords got 25-30 miles per gallon, illustrating that the returns on technology stagnated a long, long time ago.

Obama is credited with saving jobs by saving the Automotive sector and its "ecology of jobs": all the parts suppliers. That ecology is what had been undermining America for 100 years. That ecology is why the reciprocating piston engine, or cars that average a ton of gross weight are the norm, because anything else would be too radical. As a car loses weight, a human can detect the loss of mass. Psychologically he feels the loss of mass as the loss of physical stature. If a car were made with a smaller engine (better matched to typical loads) the human feels the psychological loss of excess capacity, and feels vulnerable, like we wandered out of the cave with the short club. If the car were made with three wheels, he's feel inferior to the car with 4 wheels, if the car didn't have leather seats, he wouldn't feel like a smooth-skinned supermodel was spooning him, if the car didn't have 8 speakers, he doesn't experience the multi-frequency stimulation allowing the effortless loss of consciousness to hypnotic professional audio.

If it doesn't have a pearlescent paint job, a person psychologically suffers as someone with a publicly-visible skin disorder. And when the car is broken, incapacitated, he feels like a limb has been broken- disabled- because the car is prosthetic. And when he pays out of pocket for repairs and upkeep he is reaffirming his investment in the entire system, from gas pump to predator drone, to stock market, all the way up to congress and president.

The physical reality is that burning hydrocarbons to push large pieces of metal is not efficient. It remains a fact that, at their apex, Most of the energy homo sapiens liberated in the 20th century to the present day was wasted- it turned to heat or friction with absolutely no work being done.

We drank from the cup of unearned wealth, that small percentage which we did not pour out onto the ground. And for this brief thrill, we impose on the future terrible burdens. But not the least of which is the direct effects on automobile operators- their basic perceptual systems, intellect, physical health, ethical and moral development, cultural and social development etc.

You're well-named, Dreamcycle, because you have to be asleep to believe the shit they hand you!

Re: your second point. Do you not realize that Obama causally signed away abortion coverage as part of the deal to get the Health Insurance Company Bailout passed?

Jim,
Thanks for another great post. As for Eric Holder,
see this article from Reuters on Holders previous employment : http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/20/us-usa-holder-mortgage-idUSTRE80J0PH20120120

Quoting:
U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder and Lanny Breuer, head of the Justice Department's criminal division, were partners for years at a Washington law firm that represented a Who's Who of big banks and other companies at the center of alleged foreclosure fraud, a Reuters inquiry shows......

Reuters reported in December that under Holder and Breuer, the Justice Department hasn't brought any criminal cases against big banks or other companies involved in mortgage servicing, even though copious evidence has surfaced of apparent criminal violations in foreclosure cases......

While Holder and Breuer were partners at Covington, the firm's clients included the four largest U.S. banks - Bank of America, Citigroup, JP Morgan Chase and Wells Fargo & Co - as well as at least one other bank that is among the 10 largest mortgage servicers. End Quote.

Every day the myth of the United States of America as a just and fair country gets buried deeper and deeper in its nationwide swamp of corruption and greed.

That's not a crumb the Democrats are tossing you, SNAFU.

It's pepper spray and clubs.

There is no way in hell that they will EVER cancel the elections.

Why would they? They keep people distracted from the important issues, they provide the illusion of democracy, they enrich the media corporations which then funnel the propaganda straight from the press releases.

Look on this very blog and you'll see people who very clearly see the problems we are facing, and then announce that they are going to stick with the party that's better.

The party they've had for three years, and has brought them Wall Street bailouts, insurance company handouts, increased war, assassinations of US citizens, increased Homeland Repression, militarized police, the NDAA, and millions of foreclosures, while the mortgage holders rake in the profits.

That's better. In their minds.

So the ruling class has absolutely nothing to fear than to hold their farcical elections.

And they control the voting machines anyway.

Al Bore DID win the election. It was stolen by the Supreme Court.

9-11 probably would still have happened, and the US would have invaded Iraq, because Saddam Hussein was selling oil in euros.

Just like the US attacked Libya under Obama, because Ghaddafi was going to sell oil in dinars.

It doesn't matter which puppet is in the White House.

The non-reporting of financial fraud and widespread misconduct by MSM is questioned by Jim. Jim may be allergic to conspiracy theories, but SOPA on the back of NDAA are certainly giving legitimacy to conspiracy rationals. MSM concern for the return of corporate advertising dollars are a better explanation for non-news than diminishing returns of technology. As a young soldier freshly back from Iraq once told me, "They (MSM) only tell you what they want you to hear." That is why we turn to you, Mr. Kunstler, to give us the straight scoop. Thank you.

Without taking any steps against those that made it possible?

Yes he seemed to be genuine. But he was percieved to be weak with the Iran hostage situation. That I could forgive, but his connection with the ever sinsister Zgbniew Brezinski is another matter. And one begins to realize that it's all one piece: the Environmental Movement is controlled at the highest level by the Globalists - who if they get their way, want to end private property and the ability to grow our own food. After all, food is power and they want it all. Most environmentally conscious people don't know about how their idealism and goodness is going to be used by Evil. But it is.

Unfortunately, most "Green" type people are kind of mushy liberal/leftists who have never worked thru their ideas about private property vs collectivism. They honor scum like Che for example. They don't know and they don't want to know. That makes them sheep ripe for the plucking.
Freedom means weapons and property and the right to say No to people who want what you have. But how to combine these fundamental American values with the new paradigm? As you know, most people don't care to struggle and just want easy answers - simple truths like idolizing Joe Paterno or Che or Castro or Mao or Ronald Reagan. Anything, anything but the pain of uncertainty and the necessity of thinking.

The Money Culture" by Michael Lewis,
Hey Wage, check out wikipedia on Michael Lewis, still writing and on TV. If you like that book there's plenty more to read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Lewis

He was taken down, that's for sure.

First we had the incredible hype over the hostages. That has never been repeated, with the ensuing hostages over the years.

Nightly, the newscaster would intone "This is day ___ of the Iranian hostage crisis".

Then, the Reagan team made a deal with the ayotollah to keep the hostages until after the election, in return for them selling arms to Iran. (Through Israel, as you'll recall. The two who are now posturing against Iran).

The hostages were then released, with great fanfare, on Reagan's inauguration day.

Even then, Carter almost won.

Here is a link about the 11% increase in polls following the speech. Ironically, you have to click through a Homeland Security ad to get to it!

http://hnn.us/articles/95308.html

What's a girl to do? Eat the corn and then use the corn cob.

Leftists worry about a Christian takeover even as we are in the middle of a slow mo Communist Coup -how amazing. I admit that it could have happened the way you fantasize. But it didn't. Why don't you take a look? Evangelicals are strong, but they don't even control the Republican Party much less the United States. That's why Obama will probably get in again - the Right is hopelessly divided.

Re: "Among other untruths we've embraced collectively is the idea that computer-distributed information amounts to knowledge and understanding, tending toward judgment." Thanks, Jim, that is an important bubble to pierce.

Yes, the human capacity for organization of data is strictly limited. Thus the more data, the less knowledge. And the more knowledge, the less wisdom - each being a refinement of the previous; raw material, pollen that has to be turned into honey.

Of course a Culture could have a tremendous store of knowledge gathered over time but it takes time to process it all. Too much data or knowledge all at once will lead to poor choices if it needs to be used right away.

"We drank from the cup of unearned wealth, that small percentage which we did not pour out onto the ground. And for this brief thrill, we impose on the future terrible burdens. But not the least of which is the direct effects on automobile operators- their basic perceptual systems, intellect, physical health, ethical and moral development, cultural and social development etc."

One of, if not the best post here. Thanks.

And THAT, my peeps, is not conspiracy THEORY, it's conspiracy FACT.

Holder (and friends) were installed for a reason; I'll leave it to all and sundry to figure what that reason might be....

"9-11 probably would still have happened..."

Actually not, because Al Gore would have withdrawn the US military from Saudi Arabia, home to Mecca,
which was the main thing that got under Osama Bin Ladin's skin. Notice how his so-called death last year isn't even mentioned by anyone anymore?
So it is quite unlikely that Saudis would have been involved. But someone else could have done it...

And then of course there is the whole area of 'conspiracy theory' which claims that either the US was in on it, or just let it happen....

We will probably never learn the full truth...

Quoth Wage:
"Look on this very blog and you'll see people who very clearly see the problems we are facing, and then announce that they are going to stick with the party that's better."

Cognitive dissonance anyone? Hello, anybody in there?
(You're also absolutely correct that Diebold is the "final decider" in any case. It's all an "audience participation" feel-good sham. Show that we might actually have a choice, then maybe I'll think about some legitimacy issues.)

Gee, is this the same Vlad as the Vlad that posted the other night about playing with Tiggers from Gedi Prime?
You might want to go and see your MD, I think your meds might be a bit out of balance.

;)

Rocky Anderson - what a name! Sounds like a fag trying to sound tough. Now don't get me wrong, he may be a fine man but he should change his name. I don't know anything about him except his name and I already hate him. I speak for the millions of common men who vote their first impressions. I don't but I'm still in touch with that part of myself. I could have been sucessful in the Advertising Industry because I have that kind of mind. I hate getting up to alarm clocks and having to put on a suit and a tie though.

I look great in a suit but I don't want to have to "look good" like that everyday at 9 in the morning. Or take shit from Corporate Psychopaths. Advertising is a black art - one of the many poisoned fruits of Jewish genius a la Bernays, Freud's nephew.

That was the cat who wrote that. I'm very angry with him for doing that. I don't try to mess him up like that when I'm in his body on his world.

"Seemed" to be genuine? Well. We will never know for sure, but at least he called for genuine energy independence. We WERE weak vis a vis the hostages- we suborned and overthrew their democratically elected government, and supported the evil cocksucker who took its place. No offense to actual cocksuckers.

Zbig? Dunno. Carter had to compromise to some extent with the existing power structure. You may be right. The Zbigger was prewar Polish, pro-Vatican. Fuck them Nazis, hope you are ok with that.

Bottom line, Jimmeh at least had an open mind. He grew peanuts, which are not nuts, but legumes. Prolly confusing to some.

The environmentalists I know- more than a few, including me and a bunch of Earth First! badasses- want us all to return to self sufficiency, efficiency, and interdependence on local, known producers of necessity. Jimmy C would at least buy them lunch. I got the tip.

A guy who can conflate Joe Pa with Che is at the least interesting. AFAIK Che never turned his back on a molested child. But jayzus- Reagan und Che in the same verfreakinden sentence? Pick a side, Jack.

Yes we should see the Diebolds as the Daleks of our Time. They must be opened up for inspection or the game is moot. As your hero Stalin said, it's not the voting that counts but the counting.

Terrific piece this week as usual.

I've had enough of Obama, though I voted for him in 2008. I won't vote for him again.

Yup, me too. Been there done that and even have the t-shirt.

Don't forget to do the dog.

I have my reaction to the state of the union on my Videos page. Look for the 'Entabulator'.

:)

Pick a side, Jack.
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There is no side. It's all a show. A contrived dialectic. From Hitler to Stalin to Roosevelt to Mao to Nixon to Carter and everyone else. You're living through a script written decades prior, and you even realize it.

Pick a side, any side? No, evil is on both sides Jack. Reagan was a decent man in way over his head: all his cabinet were CFR but he wasn't. Sad.
And Earth First and Ed Abbey? Heroes. But what about tree spiking? Monkeywrenching to the point of murder? At least admit it's a moral issue to ponder. And what do you think of PETA? I love animals but see them as dangerous loons who obviously getting some very big funding from somewhere. Likewise Falan Gong: good work against the ChiComs but they came out of nowhere with lots of clout. CIA?

Shecky baby that's the problem: people pick a side, "the right side" and then they let their guard down. The battle against evil will never end in this world and we can never let our guard down. And as far as the left/right thing - there good ideas on both sides, good men on both sides, bad ideas on both sides, and evil men on both sides.

Avoiding funding the system, avoiding being trapped into having to use their monopolies, avoiding working for and serving their organizations, avoiding participating and propping their system, is the way to go.

You're living through a script written decades prior, and you ^don't even realize it.

Ed Abbey was the only Environmentalist of his generation to buck the group think and speak the Truth: if the Mexicans aren't stopped, nothing else we do matters. Far more typical was the Sierra Club wich took a massive bride from David Geldbaum (means money tree in Yiddhish, I shit you not) to shut up about the environmental carnage being caused by the Mexicans. With a few exceptions, they did.

Geldbaum is "an environmental hedge fund manager" - thar's gold in this shit now. The biggest Green Conman of all is Maurice Strong, the Globalist Mastermind behind the Green movement - which ultimately plans to move all humans into cities and cut the population of the Earth to 500 million. The forests will only be for the Nobles - as they were back in Medevial Times.

Ed Abbey was right. Tree spiking is right. PETA can come to my memorial BBQ. With sauce. A slice of me, con amor.

Kill a million to save a thousand. My children are dead. My nieces and nephews are worth saving. Fuck the rest of y'all, in the nicest way possible. I love you, truly. Come over. Darkness is our blanket.

I am an evil man. I have done that which is verboten. I have learned the truth, the hard way. It sucks, but try to deny its beauty. Black is bright. Sun is night. Believe it.

Death is life's greatest friend.

Shalom, companeros. Te amo. Venceremos.

I had no idea! Thanks for the link.

He explained things very clearly.

However, it's very possible that leveraged buyouts are easier to explain than collateralized debt obligations.

"America is a nine-hundred pound man imprisoned in a fetid trailer bedroom begging for one more case of Little Debbie Cocoa Cremes before the front-end-loader bashes through the wall to haul him to intensive care."

Little Debbie Snack Cakes come in two flavors. 900-pound-man food of choice.

And Abbey was right...consult his out-of-print Good News for what Peak Oil West might look like after the 900-pounders have all starved.

Bustin,

Oh, very well said. I'd never thought of the notion of automobile as prosthetic, but it makes a great deal of sense.

Re: Obama's All of the Above Strategy. I disagree with Jim here. I thought it was politically a very shrewd move, especially in conjunction with ending oil subsidies. One consequence of that of course is that oil costs will go up, but there may be a bit of virtuous cycle there in that oil prices in the very near term are likely to fall 25-30% if the current oil contango is any indication. This means that the end of subsidies will come just as oil prices themselves are falling, meaning that overall we'll end up continuing with Texas crude oil in the $75-$95 range (Brent, which most of the rest of the world uses as their standard oil price, runs about $25-30 more).

Additionally, Obama's LNG comments also meant that the government is seeing LNG as being something worth providing additional oversight on, which was likely not good news to the LNG industry even though environmentalists were the first to be wary.

Similarly, it provided cover for the Keystone pipeline decision, which even from a business standpoint benefited the Koch brothers and a few other billionaire investors while providing little real tangible benefit to the US, and gave him leverage to negotiate a better route or more beneficial deal. Finally, it gave him cover for expanding alt-energy, defused Solyndra as an issue, and boxed in his rivals.

Folks, Obama is not going to pull a Jimmy Carter here. He knows full well that if he comes forward with THE TRUTH he won't get elected, won't complete his political agenda and may as well hand the country to his opponents right now. The honeymoon that he's had with the banks has ended - politically, he has no cover to defend them any longer, and Goldman Sachs and others are already placing their bets on Romney because Obama has no choice BUT to go populist at this stage. (Remember that FDR was even more 1% by a long stretch than Obama, but he was forced into working against the banks eventually because there was no path forward otherwise and Main Street rage was rising).

Perhaps you missed Obama's gloating over his announced hit on Osama during his State of the Union address.

Amazing that we have sunk so low that the President can posture and preen like a Mafia capo about his hits, while his partners in crime cheer him on.

Of course I don't believe that Osama Binladen orchestrated 9-11 from his cave in Afghanistan. Of course I don't believe that 110 story buildings can explode and collapse at the speed of gravity.

That was planned before 9-11, for the expressed purpose of being used to get the American people to support endless war and Homeland Repression.

If it was just an accident of the Bush administration, why was the Patriot Act ready to roll? Why was the military ready to invade?

Why was it played as an administration triumph? Instead of a massive failure? Why wasn't it played as a reason to get off of Saudi oil? Instead of a reason to give tax credits for Hummers?

Why did the military in charge that day get medals and promotions? Instead of court martials and firings? Ditto the National "Security" establishment?

Of course I don't believe that Osama Binladen lived in Pakistan suburbia for 10 years, or that the Navy Seals did the hit and then threw him into the ocean with cement shoes.

Of course I believe that 9-11 would have happened under Gore, and he would have been whisked off to a cave in Nebraska and told how to play it or else.

And I believe that the media would have played Gore as our Father-in-Chief, and we would have been told that "we all were terrified" by 9-11, and that we were all so scared that we welcomed the Patriot Act, and Homeland Security.

Just like we are told that we all hated Carter's speech and that we all loved Reagan.

They create the reality and we are told to believe it.

I once helped to extricate a 700 pound man from his doublewide. He was having an MI, septo-lateral STEMI. We had to cut down the wall of his "home" to get him out and take him to the closest cath lab. Hx CHF, ejection fraction 28%.

He sued, of course. Still in litigation. Awaiting the subpoena. He is dead. His estate salivates.

They create the reality and we are told to believe it.
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And they hire and create the public scapegoats for the media to focus on while they hide nameless and unmentioned in the shadows.

And Israel is nothing but a Vatican Front.

Yep, that's why the corporate media went crazy about the Occupy movement, which refused to get involved in the political theater and pointed its finger straight at the financial sector and the 1%.

No,no! Don't focus on Wall Street!

Look! Over there! Look at the politicians! They're the ones that are out to get you!

You must drink wine out of a skull! Leftists tried to crash the Dueling Society's big ball in Vienna.

Black is bright? Well they took a guy out in a UFO for a ride around the solar sytsem. He said he couldn't see the sun cuz it was "too dark out there".

Obama causally signed away abortion coverage - Wage

Although causally is a word, I'm guessing you meant casually.......but what the hay, close enough for clusterfucknation.

"The party they've had for three years, and has brought them Wall Street bailouts, insurance company handouts, increased war, assassinations of US citizens, increased Homeland Repression, militarized police, the NDAA, and millions of foreclosures, while the mortgage holders rake in the profits.

That's better. In their minds." - Wage

You convinced me. I wasn't gonna vote at all but now I'm going to vote for the only straight talker in the bunch, Ron Paul.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but some major liar/hoodwinker is trying to get you to respond affirmatively to the talking points of his relentless clandestine agenda of eugenically-driven Fascism. (Upper-case "F", as in "now you're FUCKED".)

Although fed and clothed by his paymasters/true Masters, he does show a bit of individualistic creativity in order to accomplish his required distractions. I wonder if there's a little something extra in his pay envelope for that, or if it simply keeps him out of combat zones?

Another excellent adventure?
Yeah, baby.

"If Obama gets us involved in another imperialist war in the Middle East (THIS TIME AGAINST IRAN), I know I won't be voting for him..."

Really? He hasn't already fucked up enough other shit? He'll have to do this for you to not vote for him? Holly-fucking-shit...are you retarded?

"Hey Jude. I'm with you in regards to voting for Obama. But where is the alternative? "

Hey MORON how about a glass of orange juice as an alternative? Or a bottle of curdled milk? I could give you millions of alternatives, you fucking simpleton. Wake the fuck up.

he was percieved - Vlad

i before e except after c. - Missus

makes them sheep ripe for the plucking. - Vlad

and the chickens ripe for the shearing - Missus

idolizing Joe Paterno or Che or Castro or Mao or Ronald Reagan. - Vlad

Wow, now Joe Pa = Mao et al! - Missus

What the hay, it's all good at clusterfucknation.

"They create the reality and we are told to believe it."

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Just finished Reinventing Collapse by Dmitry Orlov. If you haven't read this yet, GET it tonight. If you have it already, START re-reading it tonight. It's funny, it's instructive, it's intelligent, and it's poignant, and you'll never look at what's going on these days quite the same way again.

Among many other things, Orlov quotes Solzhenistyn's motto for surviving the gulag:

"Don't believe them; don't fear them; don't ask anything of them."

As soon as you internalize this mantra, nothing that anyone in government, business, politics, or the media says will ever matter to you again.

Instead, you'll find yourself free to live free of their "news", their gamed "stock market results", their mis-remembrances of Carter and Reagan, and everything else.

Peace & love to you all.

Wage,
Monsanto probably just got the info on GMO Corn or Soy bean purchases from the local co-op where the farmers buy their seed. If they bought it one year and none the next year they are suspect. There were cases here in Michigan where farmers were busted and charges with using unlicensed GMO's. I haven't heard of it lately though. It says on the bag that saving and reusing is prohibited under penalty of law.

Also I checked out your blog. You've pretty much summed up how big agra works. Around here Conagra is the buyer and they set the price about .40 cents below the CBoT spot price.

I didn't let anyone farm my land last year. I have 2 offers for this year but I'm leaning more toward not. I think I'll just get back into gardening on a larger scale then what I used to do.

It's time to relearn how to be self sufficient again.

Phil

I could have been sucessful in the Advertising Industry - Vlad

but I'd have made a lousy lexicographer. - Missus

What the hay, this is just CFN.

"A lot of people believe that cars and trucks can be easily retrofitted. This is not true. A conversion to natural gas is expensive and complicated. Methane is highly explosive and rather unstable. It must be stored at 3000 psi. It tends to corrode things. Technically it is possible. You will pay several thousand dollars for no increase in efficiency, and a premium for the fuel, not to mention the cost of a fueling infrastructure. Good luck when the tank goes empty and you wish to fill a jerry can with a gallon."

Wrong. To convert to NG costs about 1200.00. Octane is 130 vs 93. Engines run much cleaner hence lower maintenance. There is over 6 million miles of NG lines in US. If one runs in front of your house, you could have a fill fitting installed in your garage. Existing gas stations could tap into lines running underneath their stations.

Cost of NG is currently 33% less then gasoline. You are a moron. That is all.

"Carter didn't need to do that as an ex-president. "

Yes he did. It was his penance for being such a shitty President.

"America is not interested in reality. America is a nine-hundred pound man imprisoned in a fetid trailer bedroom begging for one more case of Little Debbie Cocoa Cremes before the front-end-loader bashes through the wall to haul him to intensive care."

lol

Agreed. His best metaphor yet.

Rocky Anderson - what a name! Sounds like a fag - Vlad

He was a Scot who fought as a lightweight back in the 40s.

Gotta agree with you on that one, Asoka. I think that's where we're headed. Once the majority of us have incomes so tiny that our $$ will have zero impact on these massive wars we've set up to steal oil, the POTUS will have no more cash to murder Muslims....the horror of it all! ;)

Cost of NG is currently 33% less then gasoline. You are a moron. That is all. - Mrs B

Mrs B, how foolish to call someone a moron when you don't know the difference between then and than. That is all. - Missus

"Mrs B, how foolish to call someone a moron when you don't know the difference between then and than. "

I do know the difference, I made a mistake. YOU are a MORON. That is all.

For those of you who've already read Reinventing Collapse, we already have a rich panel of experts to start developing and advising our new Collapse Party: James Howard Kunstler as ombudsman; Dmitry Orlov as historian; Nicole Foss on internal affairs; Richard Heinberg on energy & agriculture; John Wesley, Rawles, security; Duncan Crary, communications.

You hit it on the head. There was a good book out about the WTC and it's falling down. It was written by Dennise Smith NYFD(ret) In the book he compared how when a plane crashes and kills a couple of hunderd people the government will spend a million dollars to piece the plane back together so as to figure out what failed. We had 2 major buildings collapse and the rubble was hauled off as quickly as possible with a minimal of inspection. Hmmmmmmm

You're right about where it might all be going.

I believe the best legal way to not support war, to not fund that with which you disagree, is to simplify your life and lower your income voluntarily to the point of not having to pay any taxes. - Asoka

Agreed, and if we all get on-board with your idea it would have the added benefit of crushing the economy, Wall Street, Social Security, Medicare and all the many good works of Big Government that you have listed for us in many previous posts. A thousand a month plus a mud hut for everyone sounds about right. - Missus

"I believe the best legal way to not support war, to not fund that with which you disagree, is to simplify your life and lower your income voluntarily to the point of not having to pay any taxes."

How moronic. Currently 47% pay no income tax. How is that? By design. If there ain't enough money to fund their dreams they'll simply change the formula.

It's kind'a like looking at the news after watching Wag The Dog.

The masters of creating illusion can be found at www.rendongroup.com

Yes. Except that there were three major buildings that collapsed.

http://wtc7.net/

No one ever talks about the third one, because it was even more obviously a controlled demolition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv7BImVvEyk

On the tenth anniversary, TPTB shot 2 light beams into the air, in case any of the conditioning was wearing off.

But the 9-11 Truth movement pointed out that there should be three beams of light.

About the seed cleaners. Maybe. But I got the impression that their clients had been saving seeds for many years.

They suspect that Monsanto put GPS devices on their cars - Wage

Giving a verbal update to my boss on a particular investigation I was conducting, I began a sentence: "I suspect....." and he came down on my head like an anvil. He said I don't give a FUCK!! what you "suspect." Report back when you actually KNOW something.

Medicare and Social Security are funded separately from federal income taxes, and everyone pays those taxes, even the bottom 47%.

Oh, wait, not everyone. Any income over $106,000 doesn't get that flat 13% tax.

Only the poor are taxed fully for Social Security and Medicare.

Fannie and Freddie Shorts the housing market.

Yep guys if you don't watch Dylan Ratigan, you aren't hearing the news.
After getting bailed out by the American tax payer, our government agencies are actually making money betting against the very housing market they are supposed to support---


See the segment Bad Economy BOUGHT by greed. You will learn to love this show as much as I.

This is one sociopathic system.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37560195/#46194739

Nice week's work, JHK. Thanks, as always.

"Meanwhile, we'll do nothing to prepare for a different way of life, and so, necessarily, the result will be an obscene scramble for power and resources that will leave a lot of people dead."
-jhk-

JHK manages to hit a few notes on this theme almost every single week. He is to be congratulated for his persistence and courage on this subject.

Because, statements about population collapse make JHK, or anyone else, run afoul of the more-immigrants-must-come-into-the-United-States-forever lobby, and their obnoxious and racist spokesperson(s) on CFN. Without fossil fuels, the US is overfilled to bursting already and death is only waiting for us to stumble a bit, or run out of tractor diesel.

And the fossil fuels WILL run out. Even in the unlikely event that we DO have l00 years of natural gas due to those f*cking fracking technologies - then what? At that point, 100 years in the future, present trends extrapolate to WELL over half a BILLION desperate humans on the US landmass.

This insane population growth trend could be stopped, by the simple expedient of stopping LEGAL immigration. From many accounts, illegal immigration has already slowed, with the collapse of the economy and real estate development. But, LEGAL immigration zooms merrily onward, unchecked - and subsidized heavily by the US government.

So - what can we say about the residents in the US in 100 years, regardless of their country of origin?

They are going to look back and hate us all.
For good reason.

Join this group or find a better one.
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/

Jim, do you really expect the national media, 'specially the print media, to question Halder and Obama? Newspapers are bankrupt, morally and financially bankrupt. Not only will these ass kissing syncophants refrain from any criticism of this administration, but they will level charges of racism against anyone that does.

I see that Charlotte, home of this summers Democrat national convention, has passed a bunch of ordinances against camping inside city limits, also regulating the size of public gatherings in the streets and in the parks. What do you guess that these particular laws will be enforced with brutal efficiency?

--WSP7

If not for Nader the election wouldn't have been close enough to steal in the manner in which it was actually stolen. Of course I'm not begrudging Nader's right to run for president. Also, Nader didn't force the Bushes to steal the election.

Somebody mentioned the Sierra Club selling out protection of the US environment to big money and political correctness. It happened.

I cancelled my Sierra Club membership years ago.
Everyone should. Money whores - this explains it.
http://www.susps.org/

Obama's stock and trade is hope - L

The expression is "stock in trade."

P2C, Mark Steyn had an interesting observation in a column in IBD last week about 'job creation'. He said 1.25 million immigrants arrived here legally last year, and perhaps twice that number illegally. Any 'job creation' that might have occurred was sopped up by people coming in here from the third world. I think we're being played.

--WSP7

Are you supposed to be dead or something? You came back as a woman, a lousy fee male?

One more thing ... all the excitement in the financial world about Facebooks' impending $100 billion IPO, what's it all about? Is that company really worth $100 billon? It hard to fathom.

--WSP7

"If not for Nader the election wouldn't have been close enough to steal in the manner in which it was actually stolen." -the resident submariner-

Thanks, Marc, I was about to say something to that effect myself. Supporting a third party candidate is all well and good - in elections that are going to be a blow-out. But in close elections - - - not so much, IMO.

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Looks like the Georgia Republican primary will be close between Newton and Willard. And, as I posted last week, my inclination is to vote for Ron Paul.

But, what if my vote for Paul puts Mittens or The Amphibian over the top in GA, and then he wins the RP nomination and then beats Obama. It would all be my fault for "wasting my vote," right?
Or, at least one could argue that I could have prevented it, if I had NOT "wasted my vote."

I don't know. I'm just asking.
And, yeah, the framers of the Constitution would be DISGUSTED that so much power has been usurped by the Executive Branch to the point that the POTUS election has so much "importance.". And ALL of us should be disgusted at the emotional (and financial) capital being invested in the POTUS primary - when there are so many other political races and social dilemmas facing us locally and nationally.

The media loves "news," though.
So that's what we have.

"Any 'job creation' that might have occurred was sopped up by people coming in here from the third world. I think we're being played." -wsp-

Ding, Ding, DIng, DINg, DING!
Somebody ring the bell of truth for WSP!

I wish someone would kill someone so we can get the God damned inevitable show on the road; it is coming; it is going to be violent; it is going to leave those who survive with the kind of hope that they might have had when they were duped into voting for Obama, but this time the lawlessness will manifest as it should have (think Hamptons) and justice will finally be done

"It is really hard to account for the stupendous incompetence of the news media in recent years."

What baffles me even more is the continued gullibility of the general public in accepting these lies, central among them the energy independence story.

I can only surmise that the post-WW2 suburban generation (aka boomers) has been robbed of its critical capabilities by successive generations of teachers, preachers and corporate "leaders".

Obama will likely be re-elected and given a second chance to tell the truth. If he doesn't, the truth will beat down his door.

The Country is going down in flames......it's over guys and girls. Nobody really cares. Most people are worried about the fucking Super Bowl. The leadership knows this and will continue to bullshit us to the nth degree. No matter who gets elected President......their welcome to the White House will be a command performance of the movie of John Kennedy getting his brains blown out in Dallas. We no longer have a President. We have a puppet that is either an idiot or one who has a command of the language but has no authority. The behind the doors crime family pulls the strings. All of this crap you hear on the daily news is total bullshit. All the numbers provided by the Government are what they want you to hear.
Sooner or later the people of this Country will be slaves of the very rich. Take a look at our soldiers. We no longer believe in education,and freedom.
We have a youger generation that constantly checks their cell phone while they look for a free meal.
We have grown into a greedy, stupid bunch of people.
Let the riots begin on FACEBOOK OR TWITTER!
Keep writing to Jim.....honestly, nobody cares.

That allergy helping you circumvent possible conspiracies in our midst must be getting itchy these days.

I love your writing and your subject matter, but don't quite get the resistance to the idea of some behind-the-scenes agendas getting created by a cadre of people. I suppose we can go overbaord if we see this happening everywhere, but to my view, there are indeed certain individuals and groups steering aspects of society. Maybe conspiracy isn't the right word?

Kunstler's opening paragraph this week surely belongs in the pantheon with Taibbi's immortal lines: "The world's most powerful investment bank is a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money."

When I read "America is a nine-hundred pound man imprisoned in a fetid trailer bedroom begging for one more case of Little Debbie Cocoa Cremes before the front-end-loader bashes through the wall to haul him to intensive care" I laughed so hard I nearly choked -- the dogs looked up with notes of alarm in their eyes.

a third carrier group is headed to the Straits of Hormuz - Gaz

Have you ever wondered why you sometimes read "Strait" and other times "Straits" when there is only one narrow passage way? There's the Strait (or Straits) of Hormuz, Gibraltar, Magellan, etc. and either way is considered acceptable. Apparently Straits is not the plural of Strait.

Also, the name of the Strait (or Straits), such as Hormuz, generally follows, rather than precedes, Strait(s), but not always. For example the Bering Strait(s). Why not the Hormuz Strait(s)? Why not the Strait(s) of Bering?

All of this aside the worst thing is to see these Straits written as Straights as though they were heterosexual.

Is anyone else in the world but me concerned with these inconsistencies of nomenclature?

When that front-loader (we always called them "skip-loaders") finally does bash its way through the trailer bedroom wall, it'll be driven by a Chinese, and he WON"T be delivering anything to an emergency room. It'll be straight to the ash pile of history.

Brilliant BJ.

The "yawning mouths" of IC engines almost outnumber us and will be fed for a while yet. Its really our highest priority.

Everyone pretends that its normal, but being propelled at 60mph wherever you want to go, up mountains and across rivers, in any weather, with built-in stereo, video and satellite web connection is a psychoactive ego power trip. All drivers are like kings and queens to the humble earth.

Look at the subcultures devoted to brand identity, horsepower, paint color and options. They get washed and polished, fluids replaced, fetishized and displayed (note heavy sex association). American men might have smaller cocks from all the plastic estrogens in the water and beer but at least they can still go fast, look desperately childish and make a lot of noise.

Bicycles get better mileage but don't have the perks. They also don't puke asbestos dust, carbon dioxide and and a variety of other carcinogens into the atmosphere.

This is why Americans will go APESHIT when they are immobilized by much higher priced/unavailable gas. It affects more than utility, it impacts the ego that is now so invested in their customized womb-like magic flying carpets.

So OK go ahead, attack Iran, whatever, just keep that fabulous juice flowing cause I'm not sure what else could take its place. Growing vegetables, chopping wood and carrying water don't seem as exciting.

Yes I am also concerned about the subtlies (sp?)of the English language and would enjoy being personally corrected by you in a saucy outfit.

Looking at some of the leftist cretins that regularly shoot their mouths off on the issue here, it certainly seems like it was in their minds, 'hating whitey', that is.

For them it's really more hating the lower classes of whites, not wine sipping vegetarian schmucks.

For my money though, I have lost whatever hope I once had that some of the batshit crazy irresponsible things that have been done will ever be re thought among the jerks that did them. And this isn't just the left either. Most of the idiots who wanted the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are still there cherleading for another one with Iran. The dickheads who wanted 'free trade' are still in place lying about it. The global climate change is just a commie plot asshholes are still going around spouting their nonsense.

Have the Birthers given up, don't let facts and common sense stand in the way of a half assed theory.

That should be the motto of the 21th century.

"Looking at some of the leftist cretins that regularly shoot their mouths off on the issue here, it certainly seems like it was in their minds, 'hating whitey', that is."
OR:
Looking at some of the RIGHTWING cretins that regularly shoot their mouths off on the issue here, it certainly seems like it was in their minds, 'hating whitey', that is.
"For them it's really more hating the lower classes of whites, not wine sipping vegetarian schmucks."
hMMM... No change really needed here....

"Its ALL good"

HAVANICEDAYNOWYAHEAR
;)

would enjoy being personally corrected by you in a saucy outfit. - Azgog

oooh stop (teehee) you big flirt; and would it be you or me that's in the saucy outfit? - Mis

Yes I am also concerned about the subtlies (sp?)of the English language - Az

In addition to what other concerns? ......or did you mean "Yes, I, also, am concerned..etc.?" And BTW, it's subtleties. - Mis

Well, Q is back nitpicking grammar and usage.

OEO is back calling people morons.

Procon is still saying LEGAL immigration is the sources of our all woes.

That means I am out of here ... for at least five minutes, maybe longer.

"but this time the lawlessness will manifest as it should have (think Hamptons) and justice will finally be done"

If you're waiting for folks to go to killing each other, you won't have long to wait. As to your statement that "justice will finally be done" I completely agree, with heavy emphasis on FINALLY, as in like on Judgment Day.

"it'll be driven by a Chinese, and he WON"T be delivering anything to an emergency room. It'll be straight to the ash pile of history."

Sends cold chills through you just thinking about it. Although I wouldn't want any Mexicans or Russians driving the thing either....can't really think of any kindly overlords out there, can you?

"My gods' penis is bigger then your god's penis!!!"

Can't speak for your god, but mine wouldn't need a penis and if he did he could make it as big as he wanted to.

"What else can explain the barking madness on display like a freak show gone bad."

The demise of the Twinkie, maybe?

Noblesse oblige, in days of yore,
Meant the rich could not wholly ignore
When the poor would implore;
It was that way before,
But apparently, not anymore.

Obummer is a not only the best republican president ever.licking the boots of the banksters and wall street to a spit shine that would make John McPain stand at attention and salute. This man is a Traitor and should be hung in public view. he sold out the national health care system and hand delivered 40 million new retain customers to the Insurance companies while bankrupting all of us who pay thru the nose for a rip off health policy. He was the great critic of the Bush wars and then he starts invading the entire world without congresses approval. He passes the NDDA act and now is trying to shut off free speech in the internet with the SOPA act. All you hear from the so called Republicans is lower taxes on the rich and do not cut the Military aggression budget. When will the Congress get some balls and charge this man with treason? If they don't they should all be removed from office as co conspirators to TREASON

RELIGION IS LIKE A PENIS
Is good to have one...
It's fine to be proud of it...
But please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around...
And PLEASE don't shove it down the children's throats...

We'll have an election in 2012.

After all, the Republicans need to have their majorities to institute everything they've been pushing for since 2008 (and – let's not forget – the ability to rework those rules Obama has passed to their benefit).

Remember, in 2014 your health insurance card becomes your ID. When the GOP has its way, God help you if you don't have health insurance...because it will become a criminal act for your fellow man to do so.

Gore threw the 2000 elections.

He didn't want to owe black people for getting him elected. Indeed, he knew about what was going on in Florida and let it happen.

Ever notice that he tried to get the votes counted in the HISPANIC MAJORITY counties? Never mind the hyperloose parameters on defining who was a "felon" in Florida that took away the rights of lots of blacks...or the fact that the Florida A&M Union was closed on Election day (surprise, surprise).

Gore didn't want to owe the black people anything. So he gave the election to Bush.

2012 will be the year when awareness raises above the thorzine levels typical of post WWII runup to nowhere. Anything is possible. One thing is certain. We MUST keep Obama out of office.

Vlad knew all about it, even the name of the fellow funding its pro immigrant stance.

And:
Muslim inbreeding is causing a massive surge in birth defects:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-513388/Minister-Muslim-inbreeding-Britain-causing-massive-surge-birth-defects.html


Phil Woolas, an environment minister, said the culture of arranged marriages between first cousins was the “elephant in the room”. Woolas, a former race relations minister, said: “If you have a child with your cousin the likelihood is there’ll be a genetic problem.” The minister, whose views were supported by medical experts this weekend, said: “The issue we need to debate is first cousin marriages, whereby a lot of arranged marriages are with first cousins, and that produces lots of genetic problems in terms of disability [in children].” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3342040.ece

MizzQuiche said "Is anyone else in the world but me concerned with these inconsistencies of nomenclature?"

There is! We'll set you two up on a date, post-haste.

Headless (nice nick) said "I wish someone would kill someone so we can get the God damned inevitable show on the road; it is coming; it is going to be violent; it is going to leave those who survive with the kind of hope that they might have had when they were duped into voting for Obama, but this time the lawlessness will manifest as it should have (think Hamptons) and justice will finally be done"

I don't think so, bro. First, Americans aren't capable of walking. Instead of 'dine out' mos twill probably 'eat in', devouring the relatives.

After the pets of course.

The solution to the energy crisis is thorium based reactors.. can't melt down.. byproducts safe in 10 years.. enough thorium in the u.s. for 1,000 years of energy @ current levels.. haven't heard of it?? It's being suppressed by the media and their corporate overlords.. google it, you'll see what I mean, and get on the bandwagon!

John L, I have posted extensively on thorium on CFN.

BTW, you have just committed a sin on this forum.

CFN does not allow for any hint of a techno-miracle because that puts a harsh on the doomster fantasies.

Repeat the CFN catechism: "We are so fucked!"

No hint of solutions are admitted. Continue in that vein and they will hit you with "the laws of physics" (classical Newtonian, not quantum) or quotes from Malthus or Hobbes.

CFN uniformly believes the "laws of physics" guarantee our doom.

Any body hear about this?

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/01/25-3

Bad things are happening faster and faster, hey Asoka, do you need a roommate?

We MUST keep Obama out of office. - DGMoocher

This^ seems to be the near-universal sentiment here at CFN. Personally, I care little either way since no matter who gets in it will be a continuation of Big Government which I detest. But just so you can scratch the election's outcome off your list of daily concerns let me assure you Obama will be returned to office for four more years.

How do I know this? The same way I knew in early February 2008 that Obama would beat Hillary to win the Democratic nod and then the election itself nine months later. I even emailed my brother in FL at the time and informed him with great certainty of my epiphany.

I had seen a memorable picture in the NY Times. Obama had just delivered an ordinary political speech somewhere on the campaign trail and then stepped into the crowd to press some flesh. Those captured in the photo with Obama were mostly women and their faces - "to a man" - were rapturous regardless of race, color, creed or national origin. There is a huge difference between rapture and merely a big smile.

Two days ago I saw a similar (current) photo taken in virtually identical circumstances as the 2008 shot. Visible were three young women and Obama. The faces of the women reminded me of a photo I once saw of the three girls at Fatima in Portugal who were looking heavenward and allegedly seeing the Virgin Mary. I have never seen looks of rapture quite like it but the young women with Obama came close. Remember, roughly half the voters will be women. Sorry to have to break it to ya'll, especially Vlad, but Obama is a shoo-in.

Now, Asoka has been running one of his diversionary I-am-large-I-contain-multitudes dodges recently, supporting Green candidate Jill Stein who (whom?) both he and I know will draw fewer votes than K-Dog. Take it from me, Asoka will be ecstatic when Obama wins despite only one drop of his blood out of two being black.

Nation of origins act, is that the right term...
that was removed in 1965 and the floodgates opened.

Yes Bj that changed things fundamentally.

Our politicians are either the "hollow dummies" George Orwell or reasonably bright "folks" (hate that word) who, like any good salesman, tell us what they think we want to hear. And as long as someone is buying our debt--investors with nowhere else to go, the Federal Reserve, etc.--the illusion can continue ad infinitum.

Here's my take on things like NDAA, SOPA, etc.: the politicians are preparing for an easier transition to a full-on fascist state. "We need these great powers to fight TERRORISTS", but NO, we'd never use them against our own people. By introducing them gradually, there's no enough opposition to halt them.

The greatest crimes are always committed by men of the best intentions. Bill Bronner calls them the "world improvers". Now is the time to ensure you have a passport; dual citizenship is an even better idea.

As for climate change, take a look at Allan Savory / The Savory Institute. By putting FAR more herbivores on the land, we can sink 2x as much carbon per year as we need to as well as reverse desertification--the primary component of societal collapse. No scheme gives so many benefits for so little cost. (Most farmers will jump at the chance to do it since it turns nearly bankrupt farms into profitable ones--the farmers just have to learn about it.)

Did Monsanto buy Blackwater?

Yes but

DEE............before you call me a tale bearer
'Um, unless he was pure Mayan, lived in a hidden valley and never came out, this is impossible.

EVERYONE here learns Spanish. There is no way a non Spanish speaker would even be able to get to the US without knowing some Spanish.

So this is just an 'urban legend''

LAPD: Cop Who Killed Manuel Jamines Acted Within the Law ...
colorlines.com/.../lapd_cop_who_killed_immigrant_acted_within_th...
A memorial is set up following the fatal shooting of Manuel Jamines. ... a 37-year-old Guatemalan father of three, ... Spanish or English commands to drop the weapon, because he spoke neither. ...

Me thinks yr a bit arrogant dear Dee!

Are you Q?

'were rapturous regardless of race, color, creed or national origin. There is a huge difference between rapture and merely a big smile.'
In a word, pitiful.

Right on, Jim. The opening lyrics:

"It's just your jive talkin
You're telling me lies, yeah
Jive talkin
You wear a disguise
Jive talkin
So misunderstood, yeah
Jive talkin
You really no good"

Son of a Bitch!
For those unaware, it stands for "Stop Obama Now Or Face Awful, Big, Intense, Tragic, Consequences Hereafter!"

As I mentioned in a previous post, Obama roped the dopes and doped the hopers. That sweet blast of a false hope magnificently disguised.

I don't know if I'll finish it. Video myself kickin' up the knees, throwin' out the arms, jive'n to a rap beat in jug ears and blackface, with tombstone teeth, to the following:

"He be dat hip-hop hipster
He be dat Harvard slickster
He be dat Hillary tripster....."

Probably kill myself, but it might be worth it.
I can see it now; "Funky amateur rap tune helps defeat Obama."

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No discourse about the clearcutting/bulldosing required to get at those tar sands - But Canada *guarantees* those fields will be replanted!!!

Obama, the pushover, bend-over-backwards pawn. So fscking sad, really. Him and his 3 years in office *SAY A LOT*. Now he's going to help out those in foreclosure - really?!... THANX A LOT!!! About 3.5 years too late, but WTF - GG, O-***BOMB***-A. How about gitmo, or afghanistan, or pakistan, or yemen, or ...

Sorry, I'm too tired for this SH!T.

I will merely bleet the following fart - that Archdruid showed exactly the prosthetic condition of automobiles, and *TV*, over a week ago (same old, same old!!!). Something about one being freedom, and the other being community - LOL!!!

Obama, the pushover, bend-over-backwards pawn.

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If Obama was such a pawn, he would have signed the XL pipeline deal like the industry wanted. He just said no.

There are lots of legitimate reasons to criticize Obama, but when he refuses to sign on with the oil industry I give him credit for refusing to sign on with the oil industry. Pawn he was not. Pushover he was not. He did not bend over backward. You lose credibility Ixnomor when you confuse yes with no.

despite only one drop of his blood out of two being black.

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So I'm only 50% Black?

Believe me, in this country that makes you Black.

How do I know this? The same way I knew in early February 2008 that Obama would beat Hillary

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And you probably know a liberal pro-gun control, pro-abortion, pro-socialized medicine vulture capitalist Mormon will become the Republican candidate, right? Right.

Since your vote isn't a wager you should vote for the best candidate, even if they have no chance of getting elected that time. On the other hand, when you're betting on sports, you of course should go with the most likely winner, that is if you wish to win the bet.

My take on whether or not we are "doomed", brought up by Asoka, is that if we are in fact doomed it is because of our asinine political system, and not because there is no more energy. So if JHK really does believe that it is completely impossible to adapt to declining fossil fuel supplies, then he is missing the point. The fact is, with today's construction methods, when we heat our houses we are also heating the great outdoors, and that of course is unsustainable. It is also unrealistic to insist that present arrangements cannot be improved upon, or that reactors will never run on alternate fuels such as thorium. It is also myopic to insist that there could be no eventual recovery from any impending collapse of civilization, much as if any dark age must be permanent.

Neverheless, we are so fucked up politically that doom is a real possibility. For one thing, we don't really have majority rule since we don't have a prime minister chosen from the majority party who must also get elected each time by his own home constituency. Of course other countries with such a system are frequently FUBAR, so nothing is perfect. We however seem to be in a state of permanent stalemate.

Mr selective - what is capitalism? Destroying every last thing in sight, and *MAKING SURE* nothing comes back in its place. What is socialism/communism? Bwahhaaahahaaah! T'was fun, Mr-*UNDER THE RADAR* tax-less (man)...

Speaking of the XL Pipeline, I'd like to repost something I found last week. It's really important that we understand that making money to the nth degree means mass murder.

That is the Milton Friedman way which took the place of Keynesianism thanks to Reagan.
It's not like I'm saying corruption has not been a part of human nature, I'm saying it's codified in economic theory and lack of legal enforcement globally.

When you start to read this, click on the "show me more" finish reading and then on the right side of the screen is a video of Palast in interview on the subject. You will find out that BP knew damn well what was going to happen, because they had the same accident before using quick setting cement. They pay off the heads of state to keep quiet about their accidents.

http://www.gregpalast.com/

What is capitalism? Privatized health "care"

What is socialism/communism? Medicare/VA

Medicare and VA are socialistic and actually work. The inclusive pool has power and is more efficient (3% overhead costs).

The capitalistic privatized model goes out of its way to deny claims, and continually raises prices, for the sake of private profit. (17% overhead)

There'll be plenty of snakes to eat in Florida after the collapse (if you can catch them)

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/277633/snakes-blamed-for-evere-declines-in-florida-wildlife

Why isn't this news in the MSM ? Probably because:

"People cannot stand too much reality" - Carl Jung.

"Big government" health care: 3% overhead

Privatized health "care" : 17% overhead

Big government is more efficient.

Ron Paul has enjoyed the benefits of government health care all the years he has been a Republican congressman.

Not once has he refused his big government health care benefits. Ron Paul has a Blue Cross Blue Shield health insurance plan paid for through his employer (the federal government) ... wait, I mean Ron Paul has a health care plan paid for by the taxpayers.

Of course, there are members of congress with integrity who talk the talk and walk the walk:

Rep-elect Joe Walsh (R-IL) told the New York Times that he will stick to his Tea Party roots and decline the government health care provided to members of congress.

Ron Paul is not one with such integrity. Ron Paul is an evangelical Christian Republican life-long politician who does not act on his on principles.

Mr-*UNDER THE RADAR* tax-less (man)...

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Wrong. I'm not "under the radar"

I'm open, public, and loud about one's options to live more simply and thereby LEGALLY owe no federal income taxes. (I pay lots of other kinds of taxes.)

http://nwtrcc.org/practical5.php

Note to Q.:
I love my mud hut!

Whoever wrote that Gore threw the 2000 elections because he didn't want to be beholden to blacks, think again. Good and hard.

We all see things from our own peculiar point of view, but truly, as soon as I saw W. on the ticket for the Republican primaries and that there was big money behind him, I thought, we're going back to finish the job in Iraq and get rid of Saddam.

What might throw a bit of light on this is that defense contractor, Mitchell Wade told his employees they must vote for Bush because they were going to get a lot of work if he gets in. That, BTW is the same contractor who Duke Cunningham got entangled with, and is still serving jail time for corruption.

I know Gore was a wreck after that, he gained weight, grew a beard and disappeared until he brought up the global warming issue.

I'm sure he was told what the game plan was going to be and he was not the guy they wanted in the White House.

I've said this many times, the President serves at the pleasure of the elite.

as soon as I saw W. on the ticket for the Republican primaries and that there was big money behind him, I thought, we're going back to finish the job in Iraq and get rid of Saddam.

And you were right!

So, what's on tap for Obama's second term? Any predictions about what the elite want him to do?

Obama has used more drone attacks and killed more terrorists in three years than Bush did in eight.

Obama has deported more immigrants in three years than Bush did in eight.

Obama has already been the best Republican president we've had since Eisenhower.

Are you kidding me? You won't vote for Ron Paul because maybe that would make Rommey win, and then maybe Rommey would win in November, and then, ????

What would be the big change if the Republican Wall Street candidate replaced the Democrat Wall Street President?

You truly amaze me, Prog.

Vote for Ron Paul, for pete's sake. Quit living in fear.

Seriously? You seriously think that there are progressives here who hate white people SO much that they are willing to watch their entire country be destroyed, just in the hope that white people will go down at some point?

Have you not noticed that the black people went down first?

Have you not noticed that a whole lot of brown people have been killed since 1965?

Are you really that clueless?

Again, you and newworld set up imaginary straw men so that you can feel persecuted and self-righteous that your imaginary enemies are picking on you.

It's really pathetic.

Whoa! That is really, really bad.

I just got a chance to look at your link.

While the puppeteers had us looking at Judy, writing letters and posting on the internet,
we got Punched out.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/01/25-3

Note that Monsanto is involved.

I think that these goons from both parties perfectly understand that good times for the US are over. These people cannot even suggest anything reasonable on issues. They just would like to get to the feeding trove. They know perfectly well that times of unlimited resources is over. The also know that the problems this country has been facing are of objective nature. There is no subject of any kind, which if removed will ease our predicament. Obama, no Obama. Bush, no Bush. We may as well do without any president. It will change nothing.

Looking in our history one can easily see that every glorious moment of our past had been routed in practically unlimited resources - WWII, Berlin Airlift, Manhattan project, Apollo project, Interstate Highway system, to name just a few.

Today resources are practically gone. We wash the remnants of oil from dirty rocks and sand. We try to squeeze the last gas from rocks. It is even funny.

Of course, we still want to believe, that '...yes we can..'. But in reality we cannot. The emperor has no cloth. But do not expect that some little boy will bring you the message. In this country of ours, country of us, obese imbeciles, nobody even cares. The very few who do care may as well understand that cookies are distributed already. Nothing is left in a jar.

I love James Kunstler. His intelligence and his way with words are amazing. But if his mission to create an awareness (of what?), than he is merely an entertainer. Not more and not less.


Obama has killed far more people with drones than Bush did, you got that right.

But were they all terrorists? You know damn well they weren't.

Were any of them terrorists? Even that is in question.

But since Obama reserves the right to kill anyone with charge or trial, we'll never know.

The US no longer even pretends to care about its victims. "We don't do body counts".

A couple years ago a black woman wrote a book which was basic anti-White vitriol, and so the NYTs was even off put by it and actually came to the defense of whites, saying, "They are a people becoming."

What does that have to do with us and this Monday's blog entry? The issues are too complex, the machine is stymied, and what has been noticed before is that the too complex breakdown into smaller manageable units.

Back to whites, the White Guilt Syndrome is the last coping mechanism for the urban white and jewish liberals, it works for them, but for the bulk of whites it is basically comitting a hate crime against them. So the old order breaks down, it always does and always will when it becomes too complex.

WTC- there's been a lot of theroies about how these buildings came to fail. I didn't read the book, I just saw the book review on BookTV that airs on C-Span. He brought up a lot of interesting things about the WTC. Like one being that it was exempt from NYC's strict building codes thus saving bucu $$$. It was built under the Port Authority's realm and thus neither NYFD or the NYC Building Inspecters could not inspect the Structural framework or the fire proofing which had 2 contractors. Curious point is that the final contractor "committed suicide" when it looked like he may be questioned about the fireproof coating failing to do it's job. JP 5 only burns so hot. Then there is the claim of THERMITE traces being found everywhere in the dust. As bad as it was you would think that the buildings would not have collapsed like they did. I would've thought they would've been strong enough. A true but unrelated factoid is that many years after the fact is has been found by analizing the rivits from the Titanic that they were not to the spec's of the print. I know it's hard to believe but that a supplier would cut his cost by sahving some from the spec to boost his bottom line. Quite possible something similar happened at the WTC. They sure didn't waste anytime getting rid of the building materials.

On the seed thing. Saving seeds is a common practice for farmers. However with the introduction of GMO seed it's now against the law. You can look at stuff like that by going to your states Farm Bureau web site. There you can find the push of the Agra lobby. FB and Beverage Control are 2 of the most powerful lobbies up in Lansing and probably the same down in Springfield. They and the Insurance lobby are the ones that have declared war on the deer populations nationwide. Our deer herd here in MI is way down compared to 15 or 20 years ago. And this with less hunters !

So I'm only 50% Black? - Asoka

I had no sooner clicked on Submit than I realized the possibility the drops of blood sentence could be misconstrued as referring to you ..... but, no, I was of course referring to Obama.

One thing I don't get. Why didn't Al Bore demand a recount of the whole state of Florida? My recollection is that he wanted a recount of only certain districts. Why only certain districts?

Anyway, I hold Bore responsible for the loss. He should've won hands down. He had the advantage of being VP, the economy was good and Dubya was a drunk and a goof.

There's another school of thought out there and that is that in reality the election was a tie in terms of the popular vote. With more than 100 million votes being cast you could recount all the votes in the entire country ten times and with the errors inherent in any voting system (assuming the vote was clean) and with such a huge country you would get ten different results with Dubya winning some of the recounts and Bore winning others.

But maybe it wouldn't have made any difference in the end.

Manners please, Wage, not necessary to be condescending. Read more carefully. Do you really believe that any health care bill would have passed if it included abortion? If we could garner the activism that the forced-pregnancy crowd attracts, then we could have sailed through with abortion on demand and paid for. We have the numbers, as no matter what they try to do it's STILL legal. I also support Single Payer and am working for that as well. It's two pronged, Wage, try to hang on to what we have and take it to the next step. And the next step must involve real activism, not hoping for any politician to fight the corporate world.

As you said, in any other "accident" there is no expense spared to find out the cause. It should raise every American's suspicions that there was no investigation about 9-11.

The attack on farmers was part of my talk on Monsanto. Did you read the link that I reposted? The power of the corporations on our "elected" officials is amazing.

It is a fact that Gore won the popular vote throughout the US, but because of our electoral system, it came down to Florida's electoral votes.

Jeb Bush and his Sec. of State, Katerine Harris, threw 80,000 black men off the voting rolls before the election.

But the recount showed that Gore STILL won in Florida. Unfortunately, the recount wasn't finished until Sept. 2001.

Gore fought harder than Kerry did, in 2004. Kerry conceded before the votes were even counted in Ohio!

Still, it makes no difference to us peons which faction gets to sit in office and rake in the money.

I wasn't being condescending. That was a reference to George Carlin's American Dream gig. It was a joke.

I don't think that Obamacare is a step forward, U think it's a step backwards. And I think that losing abortion rights is a tragedy, even if a Democrat does it.

So we disagree.

That is, I think, not you think. Whoops.

I'm never really sure whether you pinheads are serious or just want to start another donkey dicking argument that never ends.

Any idea at all as to the odds of white people being killed by black criminals as opposed to the other way around? Or just don't care? As long as they're crackers

So who was it that flew those planes into the towers and the pentagon?

Asoka said "John L, I have posted extensively on thorium on CFN.

CFN does not allow for any hint of a techno-miracle because that puts a harsh on the doomster fantasies."

Straw, man. The clusterfuck thesis is not that there are not solutions, but despite the fact, none will be implemented in time. Solutions and alternatives exist! Solar! Wind! Thorium! Conservation, rational action, urban planning... All wonderful, even Pom-wonderful.

When will the solutions be implemented?

When will the alternatives be optioned?

I don't fantasize about doom. Its much too real and I'm going to be the old man everyone looks to for some responsible commentary. I'm going to tell them that 20th century people were full of shit, up to their eyeballs. Then I'm going to order one of my underlings to carve the heart out of a blue-painted slave, hack his head off and send it tumbling down the pyramid steps.

We don't really disagree--we might just have different tactics. Even the small potatoes pols that I labor under sell out to the highest small town, clodhopper bidders. Evey time. That's why I have hopes for the growing numbers of Occupy.
Cheers.

EVERY...

She said last week: Blacks are taught to love hateful Whites and forgive them no matter how mean they are. Just the way she put it, "mean Whites" showed how immersed in childish Marxist doggerel she is.

Wage: Blacks kill and rape at 7 to 8 times the rate of Whites. Not 7 or 8 percent higher - 7 or 8 TIMES the White Rate. Why do you think no supermarkets want to open up in Black areas? Besides the violence, the level of theft is thru the roof.

The old Southern viewpoint about Blacks was more or less correct. The modern Liberal and Conservative views are cant and dogma. This doesn't justify slavery of course but it sure does invalide forced integration of schools, housing, affirmative action etc.

And I think that losing abortion rights is a tragedy
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Lawrence "Liberal Larry" Chomstein sum it up best:

It's Official: Republicans Hate Sex

Rejoice, rejoice, rejoice! Bush is out, Obama is in, and a rightfully Democratic Congress is poised to pass a comprehensive stimulus package that will pull us out of the Great Depression II and put the Bush years behind us once and for all! It's as if the entire world has wheezed a sigh of relief. For the first time in my life, I am proud of my country.

But when I woke up this morning, the Repugs had already ruined it for me. It appears that the few remaining neocons in Congress have scuttled a key provision of the stimulus package that would've provided free contraception for ordinary Americans.

WHAT IN THE NAME OF GODDESS IS THEIR PROBLEM? WE WON THE ELECTION, DAMMIT, NOT THEM! AMERICANS VOTED UNANIMOUSLY FOR CHANGE LAST NOVEMBER, SO REPUBLICANS NEED TO EITHER STOP OBSTRUCTING OBAMA AND OBEY HIM, OR JUST SIT DOWN, SHUT UP, AND LET DEMOCRATS FIX THE MESS BUSH MADE!

And if there's one thing that can jump start an ailing economy, it's FREE RUBBERS!

Think about it. You lost your job. They've foreclosed on your home. You have nothing left in your pockets but a couple bucks and a handful of condoms. So you go downtown and pick up a 2-dollar whore to help you forget your troubles. The hooker gives your money to her pimp, who uses it to buy some bling at the pawn shop. The pawnbroker spends his money on some more expensive hookers, who are freelancing to pay their tuition at Berkeley. Their Gender Studies professym makes a downpayment on a new hybrid car. The car dealership buys more hyrids from the manufacturer to meet the rising demand. Autoworkers get a little extra in their paychecks. Once you subtract taxes and union dues, they have just enough left to go downtown a pick up a 2-dollar whore. The cycle begins anew.

Trickle-down Reaganomics are a failed philosophy, as the current state of our economy has shown. Trickle-UP economics will be the way of our Brave New World, but it won't work if Republicans don't get over their hang-ups about sex.

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http://blamebush.typepad.com/blamebush
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Did you make that up yoursef?

Purt damn funny, and true to boot!

Nice Marc. For most people, voting is just sports betting. They can't stand to be on the losing side, so they don't vote their as their conscience dictates. So change become impossible since the status quo is always the better bet. Needless to say, such people don't deserve to vote.

I've read varying accounts from various sources that said that depending on the method used you get different outcomes. I don't know how much to trust what I've read.

My question is how corrupt was the vote was in other states? Maybe Gore should have won by a much wider margin. Or maybe not. The facts are or may be out there. Or maybe the facts have been suppressed/destroyed.

Yes Liberal Whites enjoy beating themselves up a bit, but it's also a bonding mechanism, a tribal ritual among Liberal Whites. They don't want to get beat up by Blacks or be replaced in favor of Blacks. Those delights they save for "other Whites". You see the Old Jews had a ritual were they would put all their sins on a goat and then kill it or drive it out. Thus the scapegoat. And the joy Liberal Whites get from humiliating and destroying other Whites (outside the Tribe) is breath taking. These are their scape goats, their vicarious sacrafice to the gods. And if the Blacks attack, rape, or kill some of these lower Whites, well that's just dandy too. They're more than welcome since they are sacred and ordinary Whites are just animals to be sacraficed.

Political Correctness is a religion of Human Sacrafice.

Why not just spell it Str8 as per your new identity? Str8 but not narrow? You and Rocky better have a girl fight about it.

The old Southern viewpoint about Blacks was more or less correct.

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Blacks kill and rape at 7 to 8 times the rate of Whites.

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In the old South Whites killed Blacks at 70 to 80 times the rate of Whites. Blacks could be killed for looking at a White woman, or for being thought to use the wrong tone of voice. The judiciary was present among the executioners; it can't be excused by calling it a lynch mob: it was official. Killing a slave meant being liable for the value of the slave, not the slave's life.

Karma. You reap what you sow, and Whites sowed murder and mayhem in the South through pure terrorism.

The historian Roger Lane, as reported in Scientific American, Oct. 2000, concludes that the extraordinarily high murder rate in the United States is a joint result of the cult of "honor" of the antebellum South and its use of lethal force to control slaves, and the frontier gun culture that has left a legacy of gun ownership. Indeed the current passion for gun ownership probably descends from a fear of slave revolt. Other societies with only one of these factors do not seem to have high murder rates.

Unemployment in Albama is way down - the new anti illegal immigrant legislation is working wonders. That's how to solve the unemployment problem - just make this legislation uniform through out the United States and the Beaner Criminals will scurry back to where they came from.

So Blacks have the right to murder and rape Whites then? Because of Karma? No such thing as individual rights with Asoka - everything is class and race paybacks. Can everyone see how utterly alien this person is? How he doesn't belong here and never did? And now realize that most Blacks think exactly as Asoka does and you have the problem in a nutshell.

What is to be done? Separate as Jefferson said, separate before the gene pool is ruined. Beyond the ocean was the best but we already screwed that up. Evidently the Secret Brotherhoods and Commercial interests were already too strong to continue the work of repatriation that Lincoln began.

Karma. You reap what you sow, and Whites sowed murder and mayhem in the South through pure terrorism. - Asoka

You say; "you" reap what "you" sow. Who exactly are you pointing the finger at when you say "you reap" and "you sow".

Tell us upon whose head does retribution fall and on what basis?

Are you saying that it is simple justice ie a violent act committed against a white person today in payment for a violent act committed by another white person in the past?

You are indicating that when evil is done to an individual ie rape or murder - it is "karma" in action.

Correct?

So none of the lynched Blacks were guilty of the crimes of rape and murder attributed to them? I find that hard to believe considering the way Blacks behave now.

In the space of a hundred years, about 3000 Blacks were lynched - fewer than the number of Whites Blacks kill every year in America now.

Whites were lynched too, but that's not talked about since that Truth would lessen the impact the "Educators" are trying to effect.

The very high levels of rape and murder are also in Black Africa where there are no Whites. It's just what Blacks do. If there are Whites around, they will be targeted more though.

Once again you set up a strawman. I never said that I thought that murder was OK as long as it was crackers being murdered. That is absurd.

I am consistently against murder. You have never seen me post in favor of murder.

And black vs white crime rates were not what you posted on. You posted on the immigration bill of 1965.

Blacks were already here. Would it be politically incorrect for me to point out how they got here?

Oooh, I don't even have to ask. That is forbidden speech, and anyone who speaks it gets attacked by you and your kind.

How the hell would I know? I'm a nurse in Illinois. How would I know what happened in New York and Washington, DC?

That's why we're supposed to have investigations. We have people who do investigations. That's their job.

They weren't allowed to do their job. I find that very suspicious, along with all the other suspicious things I've mentioned before.

Ah, it must be Tuesday.
Didn't take long for the patent bullshittery to mire the blog in the bog of irrelevancy, now did it?
Strange and sad, but it speaks the liturgy of the clusterfuck at the altar of narcissist america-the-befuddled-and-benighted.

Only about half as many Whites were lynched as Blacks back then. Evidently Blacks weren't as violent as they are now. Strong laws make people behave.

Btw, I'm not advocating this kind of vigilante justice: there must have been many innocent men, both Black and White, put to death by mistake. It started when Whites couldn't get justice in the South under the Union occupation. And Blacks were being allowed to run rampant. So yes, the Whites took matters into their own hands -as was their right. Was it an optimum solution or situation? No, but it was better than what had been going on. It should have ended when the Occupation ended though. But it had gained momentum and a foot hold in rural Southern Culture. Yes people get corrupted by things like that - enjoy watching blood sports and executions.

I don't presently but if my wife or daughter had been raped or murdered I'd want to be there and see it happen.

Thanks for trying, Wage! ;o)
I really do respect that. No joke.

Fuck you you sanctimonious liberal pig.

Well, you seem to have pretty good idea as to what 9/11 is and what it isn't so I thought I'd ask.

Yeah, I liked it too. I copied it and put it on Facebook.

But you did say Whites were "mean" and that Blacks are taught to love them anyway - which is of course, just not true.

Hey since we brought Black here and we're so mean and shit, can we just send them back? I mean they want to get away from us, right? Cuz we're so mean.

Sorry if I sounded rude.

I do have a pretty good idea what 9-11 isn't. It isn't what they're telling us.

And I have an idea what it is. It's a great excuse to invade and kill anybody they want to. Just like Obama blandly excusing the drone attacks by saying "we're killing alQuada and hardly any innocent people get blown up". Most people criticize him (and I agree with them) for saying that by pointing out that the families of the hundreds of innocent victims probably don't brush their deaths off so easily.

But I also know that alQuada was not responsible for the massive production that was 9-11. Nor are they responsible for the management of perception that has gone on since then.

And now we have the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, the Homegrown Terrorism Act and the latest National Defense Act with the legalization of indefinite detention for US citizens forever.

ALL of it justified by the 9-11 tragedy.

The incredible farce of it all was so illustrated by the attack on Libya. This was the only outrage that hasn't used alQuada since 9-11.

Why? Because they admittedly worked WITH alQuada members to destroy Libya!!!!

So how can how the destruction of civil liberties and the mass murders and the illegal invasions be justified when they turn around and openly ally with our supposed enemies in Libya?

Only in the United States of Fantasy can they get away with such outrages.

The White Guilt Syndrome allows for power sharing, and all the cults of the Left practice anti-White rhetoric, like a bonding ritual.

But I don't think it has much of a shelf life, we at BUGs have about neutralized "racist" and the whole anti-White movement.

Where America goes next after we whites figure out we no longer need fund the empire of equality is a darn good question and it is the only reason I read CF.

"Fuck you you sanctimonious liberal pig." Vlad

Fuck you, you sanctimonious racist pig.

See, that works too. Now go & SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Geeez, you are the biggest asshole here. Oh, wait,you got your new little asskisser newworld.

Every week, you turn the discussion to your racist bullshit.

Well, Fuck you, you sanctimonious racist pig.

Now go & SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

;[

Yeah Wage,
It's a little like a gravitational pull. You may not have a picture of what happened, but when you "follow the money", you get the idea.

Unless you're a priest ?

Michael Hudson: "In America and Europe, Crime has been Decriminalized" |

http://youtu.be/oJUr64yPztI

Bankster Capitalism leads to [Vatican controlled] debt peonage and [Vatican inspired] Dark Age Fascist Feudalism.

@capt. I cannot tell you who to vote for, but I will say you should vote your conscience.
Holding your nose and choosing the lesser of two evils is what perpetuates the broken two party system.
Vote Green party, Libertarian, write in Nader or Mickey mouse... But don't lend your support to those who you know will do nothing more than support the status Quo.

As for third parties; In 2008 we only had a turn out of about 56% of the voting age population. I doubt it will be that high this time around as even die hard party hacks are having a hard time getting pumped up over another 4 years of O. and the republican field is anything but inspiring.
But even at 56% it would only take 19% or about 44 million votes to have a majority.

In the summer, I don't use air conditioning and in the winter, we don't use the heating much. So when we got a $200 bill, we called the gas company to see if we had a leak.

Some nice good ol' boy just came out to check my gas line. Turns out that there was no leak. Someone had "estimated" how much I used and it was over by 500.

Anyway, we started talking and he told me about how he was raised on a farm with hogs, chickens and cows and how his family sold the butterfat to St Louis once a week, and that's how they made their money to buy non-food items.

I said, well, it looks like we'll be going back to that, and it was like I unstopped a faucet.

He started talking about Wall Street greed and fake money and pretty much what we talk about here.

A lot of people see what's going on.

"Karma. You reap what you sow, and Whites sowed murder and mayhem in the South through pure terrorism." -asoka.-

Wow. Just wow. Asoka. excuses all violence against whites, now and forevermore, since they deserve it due to karma.

Ozone, Vlad comes up with some negative and hate filled stuff - but never does he excuse pure random racial violence because of "karma."

Hate on this blog is represented by asoka., everyone else is a minor player compared to him.
He speaks eloquently for "persons of color" who will NEVER be satisfied. And one reason that they will never be satisfied is that persons such as asoka., who should have the intelligence to know better - instead make excuses and fan the flames of hate.

Writ large across America - this is the tragedy of the black underclass, and this is why things are getting worse - or certainly not better.
(that, and lost employment opportunities for the black underclass due to immigration, of course)

Naturally, there's a Fred for this:
http://www.fredoneverything.net/LondonRiots.shtml
"I am not being cruel. I am describing a condition, the normal, usual, unexceptional condition of Amreican blacks of the urban slums.

Of history, the kid knows only that blacks were enslaved by whites. He cannot approximate the dates of the Civil War (as neither, astoundingly, can many white “college graduates”) and cannot name a single country in Africa, but he knows that blacks were stolen from their homes and very badly treated.

He has in all likelihood never been out of Detroit, or perhaps his neighborhood. He has no contact with the larger society except through the police and television, where he sees whites leading glamorous lives in a wide world beyond his grasp. He would be very uncomfortable in a small town in white America, having less familiarity with the culture that would an American in a small town in Italy. Further, he speaks something so far from standard English that he would have difficulty talking to most whites." -fred reed on everything-

"we at BUGs have about neutralized "racist" and the whole anti-White movement."
-newworld-

What is "BUGs?"

Vlad - Unemployment is down in Georgia, also - since we passed a bill similar to Arizona and Alabama. And some ridiculously overcrowded trailer parks and apartment complexes around here and now back to normal occupancy levels.

I feel sorry for the illegals - most of them never would have taken the risk to enter the country if they had known the downside of it. I hope most of the illegals in Georgia have gone back home to Mexico and points south. I would have. Knowing human nature, though, many of them have likely gone to States and cities that have a reputation more as "sanctuaries," even though "sanctuary" is an unsustainable concept, going forward forever in time.

So - not a bad post, Vlad, except for the concluding sentence that takes you into pointless hate and bigotry:

"Beaner Criminals will scurry back to where they came from." -vlad-

"Beaner." "Criminals." "Scurry."
That's visible hate and fear talking, Vlad.
Why do you do this?
It doesn't help your case.

It's not bullshit because the races aren't equal. You can say it and believe it - fine. But trying to enforce it by Law? Penalizing Whites and putting coloreds ahead of them - that's equal? And why don't YOU have a problem with Asoka and his little ideas about "karma" and giving Blacks a permanent pass on everything? What the Hell is wrong with you - besides being a hate filled Liberal Dunce that is?

Asoka, a few nights ago I was talking with this Jamaican guy I work with in the pressroom. I told him about the good times I had there back in the 70's during port calls. He told me its all changed. He said he'll never go back; the violence is atrocious. He also said all the business I remembered -- Reynolds Aluminum, the Sugar Plantations, boat building -- are gone, scared off by Socialist Governments, murder, arson and sabotage. That's why so many of them have emigrated here (and to England).

Also, the murder rate in South Africa is off the charts. Anybody who says the US leads the world in violent crime is full of sh-t.

--WSP7

They have wreaked utter carnage here. Have you no heart for the countless Whites kept of off work, the countless vitims of their drunk driving, all the raped little girls etc? Yes along with hard workers a gigantic brigade of criminals and gang bangers have come in too.

What's the point? Human attention and compassion are limited resources. Why do you think the Jews covet the term "Holocaust" even though there have been far larger massacres? They want all the sympathy we have you see. So who gets the bulk of it? Why your own People, Prog, your own People. If you have any that is. Once we're taken care of, you can drop a dollar in the box at church for the foreign missions.

Your favorite saying lately: Vlad comes up with some pretty hateful stuff. What do you mean "comes up with"? Like I imagined it? Sure Prog, just like all Founding Fathers who also imagined that Whites were special. Sheesh.

They are criminals btw. Beaner and scurry we're unnecessary but I do get carried away. Ozone is a very bad character - PC Incarnate. His hatred elicited mine and then I got in a bad mood.

Many of these Black kids had no Father and have never been to a wedding and don't know anyone who is married. But they're perfect and we should copy their model. It's happening. The Asoka's wont stop until Blacks don't have to work at all but all get a stipend just for being alive. And of course it will be very small by necessity so it wont satisfy them but only insult them.

"What would be the big change if the Republican Wall Street candidate replaced the Democrat Wall Street President?
You truly amaze me, Prog.
Vote for Ron Paul, for pete's sake. Quit living in fear." -wage, laboring-

Steady there, Wage. I was just presenting hypotheticals to get at the importance of something we Americans are told from birth is sacred - that being our ONE vote.

I'll vote for Ron Paul, because Georgia is not a winner-take-all primary state. Hopefully Paul will pick up a delegate or two in Georgia - and he can do some good negotiating with these delegates.

And BHMarc makes a nice analogy - that voting is not a sporting event. You may be right, Marc, that some percentage of people look at voting that way - and want to back a "winner." But I think (hope) there's more to it than that for most folks.

Committed Republicans are getting to the point in this election cycle that they just want somebody who they think can BEAT OBAMA. That is ( coupled with ad spending) why Paul is falling behind and Newt/Mittens are having such a horse race right now.

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Because of the Electoral College, one vote for POTUS is rarely if ever important. Certainly not in Georgia, for certain - Mitt/Newt/Paul, or a dead guy with a R on his casket - any of these will get the winner-take-all Electoral College results in Georgia in the general election.

It's a little deflating.
Plus, we almost never get to see any of those cool ads in the general election for POTUS.

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And if Nader had not been on the ballot in Florida, Gore would have been POTUS. We'll never know if 9/11 would have happened - I've seen a case made that it would not have.

We would not have gone into Iraq (cause Gore's daddy wasn't threatened by Saddam) and we would not be quite as FUBARED by a Gore presidency as we were by two BushII terms.

The emphasis on Presidential politics, the two-party system, and the Electoral College system are going to make it impossible for a third party candidate to ever be anything more than a "spoiler."

We may not like. But these are the facts.

"Ozone is a very bad character - PC incarnate" - Vlad.

You're wrong Vlad. Ozone is a very good character, talented, funny and friendly. He's also pretty competent in that he set a up pretty sweet life for himself and his wife in one the the best places on earth -- Western Mass. As far as being PC, I don't see it. Asoka is PC. I know O's travelled quite a bit and is nobodies fool. Ozone is more of an anarchist, but an anarchist who would do no harm to anybody.

I'm out for awhile. Taking a trip to the Florida Keys. First leg of the journey: Amtrak from Old Saybrook, CT to Kissimmee, Fla.

--WSP7

Well, prog, I read your link. I found it pretty ridiculous.

Some white guy in Mexico is going to lecture people here about black people in Detroit? Because WE don't know any of them?

And I loved the part where he snootily opined that those dumb black kids couldn't explain the exchange rate. Hey, Prog! Why don't you go ahead and explain it.

And then he announces that blacks are violent, but whites aren't and the very next statement is about militias in Idaho? Ready to kill?

You're putting yourself in some pretty illiterate company, with newworld and juletta and all. Sure, you try to limit yourself to Vlad, but he hangs with the stupid people.

Small time looters are nothing compared to the big boys. Here's a short clip of Max Keiser's take on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7BBw251Ymw

I hope that you watch it, prog, because you're turning to the dark side. And first thing you know, you're hunting with Cheney.

Wage,

And speaking of Keiser, go to Michael Hudson's page today. There's an interview with K: Hudson, Keiser on 2012 Imperialism January 29, 2012
and the top Padding Banksters pockets. Both well worth listening to

http://michael-hudson.com/

Hi Jim, I've had enough too. I encourage everyone to Occupy Wall Street from a mailbox near you: http://youtu.be/qSo8TOzbIuY

I did notice you have a conservative streak in you, P2C. Its becoming more and more pronounced.

--WSP7

Um, you can speculate all you want, but after 3 years of a Democratic president, I would think that you would have learned something.

You are making unfounded assertions here. We don't know if Bush would have been able to steal the election if Ralph Nader wasn't on the ballot.

You can't just assert that as fact.

We don't know if 9-11 would have happened. I think it would have, because I think that the shadow government doesn't give a hoot who's in office.

We don't know if Gore would have gone into Iraq. You can't possibly think that the US invaded Iraq because George HW was supposedly threatened by Saddam! (And that is disputed, by the way)

But we do know that Clinton bombed Iraq and starved their children. We do know that Clinton bombed Yugoslavia. We do know that Gore sabotaged the Kyoto negotiations. We do know that Obama has killed far more people with drones than Bush did. We do know that Obama has attacked people in multiple countries and killed them. We do know that Obama waged an illegal war against Libya.

So you have no logical basis for declaring that a Republican president would be so much worse.

So your fear mongering "spoiler" argument means nothing to someone who sees clearly, not through democrat blinders.

Prog,

I read Asoka's comments and I just don't see him as an 'apologist' or as one condoning violence in the name of generalized retribution. I see his comment as more a statement of fact ,i.e., when a group of people are victimized their retributive response will also be of a general and not specific nature. In fact, that's pretty much the strategy of all wars, generally demonize a large group of individuals so that killing them is more palatable and justified. I mean, you don't really think that brick was meant for Reginald Denny's head just because he was Reginald Denny?

And surely you don't believe rampaging U.S servicemen were grinding a personal ax against individual Mexicans back in the 1940s:

"Marching through the streets of downtown Los Angeles, a mob of several thousand soldiers, sailors, and civilians, proceeded to beat up every zoot suiter they could find. Pushing its way into the important motion picture theaters, the mob ordered the management to turn on the house lights and then ran up and down the aisles dragging Mexicans out of their seats. Streetcars were halted while Mexicans, and some Filipinos and Negroes, were jerked from their seats, pushed into the streets and beaten with a sadistic frenzy."

It's human nature, Prog; not an Asoka apology.

"They are criminals btw. Beaner and scurry we're unnecessary but I do get carried away." -vlad-

OK, Vlad, good. That was my main point, besides complementing you on a good post otherwise.

"Ozone is a very bad character - PC Incarnate. His hatred elicited mine and then I got in a bad mood."
-vlad-

Ozone admits to being a unique character - uber prepared for collapse tomorrow, and therefore completely unconcerned about immigration or racial issues. I can understand where he's coming from, even though I think we've got a 20+/- year timeline to collapse, which means that immigration and racial issues will eventually matter a great deal.

Ozone hates you because this blog does go over to hateful racial tit-for-tat almost every single week - and he blames you for this.

I agree with you and JHK that racial issues will be an important part of TLE, whether it occurs in two months or in two decades.

I just wish you would lose the hate, fear, and bigotry - because you are undercutting your own case.

And hateful, fearful bigots - much like you often appear to be, Vlad - are similarly undercutting the case for immigration reduction out in the real world, apart from CFN, where non-hateful, non-fearful and non-bigoted people need to make this reduction happen.

P2C;

Welcome Aboard!

--SP7

MAN, Jive Talk has been happenin' for decades. Why are you so darn surprised now? Reagan began the Jive Talkin' bull shit and it has continued.

Why are you so surprised? LilboyBush perfected it along with his Gollum- style side kick, Dick the Prick Cheney. Then there was Condo Rice-cake--"Mushroom Cloud"; Next came Colon Oww Powell with his nuclear tubes and yellow cake recipe for cupcakes. The list goes on and on.

We are stuck with self-serving plutocrats enjoying the free ride in Washington. All they have to do is just show up and they get a great benefit package and the secret handshakes.

So, do you actually believe that Mushbrain McCain and his Barbie Doll gone sour side kick would have been much better? Then again, what about Ging-grinch or Millard the Willard Romney? They have totally shown America just how full of bull shit they are with shopping carts filled with lies, and grandiose psychopathetic ideas.

What are you expecting?

The senior Floridian idiots in the GOP are lapping up their Kool-Aid powder packages after casting their Ging-grinch and Romeney votes.

http://eye-on-washington.blogspot.com

Thanks, lbendet. Sometimes I plagarize their clever phrases on my radio show.

Wait until Disney starts patenting catch phrases!

"Some white guy in Mexico is going to lecture people here about black people in Detroit? Because WE don't know any of them?"
-wage-

Wage, that "white guy in Mexico" was a news reporter in big cities in the States back when being a reporter meant something.

And if you don't think the inner city black underclass is in bad shape - and getting slowly worse, then this conversation is pointless.

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I may be going over to the dark side. I've seen some good Max Keiser stuff, but that link of yours just now could be summarized as, "It's wrong to prosecute rioters, robbers, and looters who beat people on the streets of London, because - - - - well, because Bankers STEAL things.
It's a non sequiteur.

1 in 3 or 4 Haitians are already here.
A friend in Miami says they have ruined Miami.

Africa is NUTS! So much violence. So much racism.
Vlad...can you post links to African atrocities?

Dee, you have degenerated into a flamer fanning the flame war here.

"So your fear mongering "spoiler" argument means nothing to someone who sees clearly, not through democrat blinders." -wage-

Wage, I'm making a pure statement of fact.
Because of the two-party system and the Electoral College - a third party presidential candidate can never be anything more than a spoiler.

Your argument seems to boil down to an idea that if Jill Stein throws the election to Mitt Romney instead of Obama - that that's OK because Romney and Obama are interchangable.

Disagree. One will be much worse.

'From many accounts, illegal immigration has already slowed, with the collapse of the economy and real estate development'
MAYBE BUT
Do you have honest figs, not Govt or Corp media on:
how many anchors a year?
how many illegals? [40 million?]
how many kids immigrants have a year, etc?

IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY WHATS THE ONE HOLIDAY NOT CELEBRATED?

No, the link pointed out that the really big looters go unpunished. Actually, they go rewarded. The petty thieves are harshly treated and imprisoned.

You can't see this? You're so wrapped up in your anti-immigrant and now, anti-ghetto teenager, that you can't see that the raping of the public by the bankers, and the open lawlessness of the 1% leads to widespread disregard for the law?

Then maybe this conversation is pointless.

Marlin welcomed you to the dark side.

Bye, bye.

'We do know that Clinton bombed Yugoslavia.'
The largest post WW2 permanent base was set up there.
At least as of 10 years ago.

What do you call some of that stuff Dee Jones says on here, working for the Peace Corps?

Do you have to be a white separatist to be hateful?

The left sits on here and says they mean well and love everybody, it didn't look that way to me.

They say they did nothing to the white working classes, it just all paranoia, how about forced integration at the end of a gun? How about affirmative action? How about quotas? How about block busting? Jimbo likes to talk about the destruction of big city life, well, this is one of the things that ruined it. How about turning the country of their youth into a banana republic through uncontrolled immigration.

How about gun control, it's always the leftist big city douche bags that want it.

They act like these things never existed, and every working guy is nuts because they don't worship at the teat of the liberal establishment.

Now, I don't think the Republicans are any better, but for the left to say they did nothing to white working people makes about as much sense as the Republicans saying the rich shouldn't have to pay taxes, they create jobs and stuff.

"I mean, you don't really think that brick was meant for Reginald Denny's head just because he was Reginald Denny?" -buckstud-

Reginald Denney was a completely innocent person at the wrong place at the wrong time. Sounds like you are saying he deserved his beating because the cops beat Rodney King after a long and dangerous high speed chase.

What iff Rodney King had just stopped his goddam' car like he should have, and not run - then what?

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"It's human nature, Prog; not an Asoka apology."
-buckstud-

So, buck, you are saying it never ends. Underclass blacks have a festering hatred of "American society," which translates for too many of them as hatred of "white society."

I've spent since 1964 working on helping white/black relations in the United States to improve. I went to desegregated schools. I sent my kids to desegregated schools. I've done everything I could for FORTY SEVEN YEARS -

And asoka spends every week telling me that it was not enough - that it will NEVER be enough.
I'm f*cking sick of it. And I'm sick of him.

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"Wait until Disney starts patenting catch phrases!" -Wage

Then we burn their giant, false-front, Potemkin villages to the fucking ground; never to rise again in the money-for-nothing Land of Make-Believe.

Goodbye, Mickey, you've served your commercial purpose; now be a good chap, and kindly die in the ditch.

http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures/slideshow?articleId=USRTR2V5YT#a=1

Did someone attempt to provoke me?
Jump, froggie, jump.

Cooler (and thus, more rational) heads prevail for very good reasons.

Thanks, WSP,
You give me far more credit and good character reference than I deserve. (Sometimes we make our own luck, other times, luck is luck alone.)

Hey, that sounds like a great ride! I'll have to look into rail for further southern sojourns. (Always loved the train.)

(Also meant to add that, mostly, I simply read the writing plastered on the wall in very large letters! ;o)

"Then maybe this conversation is pointless.
Marlin welcomed you to the dark side."
-wage-

Wage, there is no "light side," anymore in America.
You and Max Keiser excuse violent rioting and looting on the streets of London because - "bankers steal stuff, too."

Wrong is wrong, sure. Evil is evil, sure.
But I'd rather be a victim of a white-collar crime -
Than be a victim of a violent crime.
Any thinking person should feel this way.

Though, I'd just as soon not be a victim of any crime.

"I hope that you watch it, prog, because you're turning to the dark side. And first thing you know, you're hunting with Cheney."

Say, if you do go hunting with ol' Dicky, just remind him that safe hunting practices requires that he keep his gun aimed away from your face. He seems to forget this sometimes.

Oh, and don't let him drink too much Wild Turkey either.

Just a little reminder for those Safe Hunters out there! have fun shooting defenseless little varmints.

;)

Oh, and antisoak, really, coming from YOU?!

Violence is counter-productive. What needs to done is to starve you thieves and murderers and stop allowing you access to our resources. But of-course, you thieves and murderers will invent any lie and excuse, create any false hologram and contrived theater, to allow you to continue to thieve and murder.

The rest of world is learning that you will never change. You will always be that which you have always been. Thieves and murderers and the worst kind of psychopaths. Eventually you will be completely shunned like the plague that you are. My advice to you is to find someone that will allow you to wash away your degenerate genes. Maybe if you start now, you will be saved when the inevitable arrives. I say this to you as a person of white completion, blond hair, and grey/green eyes. I say this to you because after leaning about the white race, that's exactly what I intend to do.

What needs to ^be done..

"Sounds like you are saying he deserved his beating because the cops beat Rodney King after a long and dangerous high speed chase."

No, I was suggesting the opposite - that Denny was a victim simply because he was white. I believe that to be plain enough, based on the context of my entire post.And you completely remove my human nature comment out out of context in shining the spotlight back upon 'underclass blacks with a festering hatred' when retribution and vengeance is a universal human charateristic.

But thank you once again for reminding me why engaging in CFN dialougue is often a complete waste of time and energy when folks such as yourself would rather errect strawmen to flog instead of seeking to interpret the spirit of any given post.

Are you supposed to be dead or something? You came back as a woman, a lousy fee male? - Vlad


Vlad, it's somewhat comical that you are upset with me for adopting a female persona.

The last time I posted under my original handle was on 12/1/11. I had become disgusted with the immense content of bullshit on CFN that attempts to pass as profound thought.. and with my own colossal waste of time in contributing to the vast foul pile. If you feel this characterization is unfair I ask that you consider the writings and personality of Mika for whom the insult "Asshole" seems to have been invented.

Right in the middle of a week and without announcement, unlike Prog who feels he must advise us whenever he's leaving his keyboard to take a dump (as if we care), I stopped posting. I wondered if I could quit completely and more importantly I wondered if I could stop reading the comments (though I never had any intention of giving up Jim's essays themselves.. they are just too good). Well, it is much easier to not post than to not read, with the exception of Old69, of course, who I had much earlier blithely begun to scroll past, totally without regret or any feeling that I was being rude. But as the days and weeks rolled by it became very difficult to refrain when someone would say something so asinine that steam would come out of my ears. It didn't even have to be something of substance. It could simply be a mixed metaphor like the beauty you (Vlad) wrote yesterday.. something about the sheep being ripe for the plucking. Whew!

I would read these things and the effort to restrain myself was almost unbearable. I started to think that rather than biting clear through my lower lip I would concoct another persona to carry out the replies rather than to further sully my former self. I would try to adopt an entirely different personality and even the whole look and manner of presentation. Thus MissusQuiche. And why not Missus if Tootsie can be Mrs Beasley? (Note that I couldn't abandon my true self entirely and so the Q in quiche).

I could hardly believe I was actually pulling off this subterfuge until I went a bit too far, falling off the wagon into my customary OCD pedantic shtick, and was finally spotted by Asoka. As late as sometime yesterday though Azgog was still buying my Missus gender change with a flirtatious "saucy outfit" remark.

The false facade has been too much to bear so I will resume my picayune fault-finding under my original handle effective tomorrow.

"when retribution and vengeance is a universal human characteristic."
-buckstud-

On that we can agree, buck.
I just don't know why you, along with a couple of others on CFN consistently give asoka an excuse for his hate, or a pass on his hate.

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Methuselah seems to think he can reproduce with someone who is "non-white" enough that he can eliminate hate and vengeance-seeking from his gene pool, if I'm reading him right. Good luck with that one, Met - Buck Stud seems to think violence is in every human gene pool. I suspect he is correct.

Now, who we gonna' call?

Well, I'll be damned.
Believe it or not, Q, I'm glad you're not dead.

And I never would have thought you would have adopted a female persona, either. That's interesting.
Welcome back to the obsession. (Obsession?)

Oh come on people and Jim! No voting options at all? Clearly Ron Paul is as close as we're going to get to a self reliance option. He consistently preaches fiscal reponsibility and non-reliance upon the system to fulfill your needs. If that isn't a form of self reliance, I don't know what it is.

The choice comes down to this:

1) A vapid, socialist with an IQ problem and a proven record of either idiocy or complete incompetance.
2) A neoconservative oligarch Bush-clone warmonger whose face has been redone twice as many times as Michael Jackson.
3) A far right religious crackpot with temperature sensitivity issues, God's wrath in his heart, and willfully ignorant denial of all things intellectual.
4) A brilliant, egotistical, theosophist autocrat (soon to be dictator) with more bruises than a peach in a garbage disposal.

or

5) A mild mannered constitutional libertarian with a penchant for paying real cash for purchases up front; who if nothing else at least won't encumber you with a generational tax burden while simultaneously shackling your hands behind your back in a police state as you brace for the end of the world as we know it.

Sure he's not the most screen worthy selection, but at least he is honest and you won't have to worry about him shagging Palin our behind the woodshed while the house burns down. He's spent 30 years bucking this corrupt system, largely to his own detriment. The choice seems clear...

Ron Paul needs to win the Republican nomination. That is his goal. Falling short means either he goes independent, quits, or endorses Romney.

MissBeastley saith, "To convert to NG costs about 1200.00. "

Sure...

"Octane is 130 vs 93."

In terms of real BTUs per unit energy you are stepping waay down. An equivalent amount of Methane will have around 23% of the gross energy of Gasoline. The "octane" is higher (that is, 'effective' octane- we're not talking about a polymer alkane but a single molecule.) What this means is that more methane can theoretically be packed into the fixed volume of a combustion chamber.

So if you want 100% of the power in methane fuels in a regular engine, you can take advantage- if you'd like to increase the compression. How to do, how to do. Shave the block? The head? Custom pistons? Hardened valves/rings/springs? More compression means higher temps. Higher temps mean more wear or replacement parts.

Oh dear, your engine is being overhauled.

"Engines run much cleaner hence lower maintenance."

The difference in cleanliness is true in that, there is no liquid fuel to drip/blow past rings, dissolve oil, corrode gaskets. However, methane is still corrosive in other ways. Consider all parts of fuel system, delivery system, and engine. Number of different compounds, metal, and finishes- which are affected? Which are not?

"There is over 6 million miles of NG lines in US. If one runs in front of your house, you could have a fill fitting installed in your garage. Existing gas stations could tap into lines running underneath their stations."

Could, true. Factor cost of foolproof metering and dispensing. Installation.

Reality: Jimmy Joe Bob fiddles with his central heating equipment and blows his house up.

"Cost of NG is currently 33% less then gasoline. You are a moron. That is all."

NG is not typically a motor fuel. When using it in a car, you must first declare it when registering. Then, you must pay a fuel tax (depending on state). So factor that. If and when it is used as a road fuel, you can bet your ass that States will tax the shit out of it.

Even at parity with gasoline, methane remains marginal as a motor fuel. It requires a 3000 psi tank to contain. It detonates easily without spark in presence of oxygen. It is odorless, tasteless, and corrodes various things. It has less than a quarter of the amount of energy in unleaded gas. No existing engines are calibrated, designed for, or recommended for use with it.

I'll take a bow now, having a gaseous fuel vehicle myself, conversant in vapor fuel systems, auto engineering and chemistry, and leave it to you to discover why we'll never run Natural gas as a consumer motor fuel in this country, and why no one will ever get a natural gas conversion.

To be honest, what the world needs to do is leave methane in the ground where it belongs or in the very least, limit its points of access.

If you think methane is a safe, wonderful, cleen fuel of the future...

Do you know how much methane leaks into the atmosphere on a daily basis from home heating systems.

I will just leave this here:

http://tinyurl.com/6nvytf3

No existing engines are calibrated, designed for, or recommended for use with it.

BustinJ, you don't know what you are talking about making a statement like that.

http://www.ngvglobal.com/hyundai-colombia-introduces-taxis-with-factory-installed-cng-kits-0501

There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of natural gas vehicles in operation in South America.
I regularly ride in them on my trips there.

"I just don't know why you, along with a couple of others on CFN consistently give asoka an excuse for his hate, or a pass on his hate. "

I'm not giving him a pass; I am simply interpreting Asoka's claims regarding "Karma" as more like inevitable outcome...an eye for an eye dynamic.

Having said that, I have noticed a certain linear quality in Asoka's karma comments. As if old racial scores settled somehow terminate at a point he might term justified retribution. Of course, it doesn't work that way because not every innocent victim is willing to sell himself out as a politically correct clown willing to forgive two animalistic pieces of trash who just put a brick through your skull. I would never forgive that...ever.

I would never forgive that...ever.

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Nor would I. Never, ever, would I forgive that.

Violence is barbarian. Violence is inexcusable. There is no justification for the use of violence. Violence is abhorrent. Under no circumstances do I justify violence. I condemn violence in no uncertain terms. I have said this 500 times on CFN and I will continue to state that nonviolence is the way.

Having said that, I understand why violence happens. As Buck Stud says, there are many who still believe in an eye for an eye. The CIA calls it blowback. I call it karma.

The victims are usually innocent, completely unrelated to the original offense, which may have taken place years or decades earlier.

But the innocent end up paying for it anyway, because some people are not able to break the vicious cycle:

violence - anger - desire for revenge - violence

more anger - more desire for revenge, more violence etc.

At some point someone has to say STOP, NO MORE VIOLENCE. I am that person. I am a pacifist.

The rest of you will continue to justify violence, will continue to find excuses to continue to exercise violence ... "self-defense" being a favorite.

asoka said "No existing engines are calibrated, designed for, or recommended for use with it.

BustinJ, you don't know what you are talking about making a statement like that."

Really? Since you are asking, I'll describe the circumference of the problem: over 99% of the vehicles in the world don't run, can't run and will never run methane as a motor fuel.

"yundai-colombia-introduces-taxis-with-factory-installed-cng-kits-0501"

-This news piece is typical of the drivel one sees in the MSM. It "bubbles up" around the concept "alternative fuel" and all sorts of enthusiasts get enthused hearing about what fleet contract was signed, what irrelevant market(ing) prototype was trotted out (looking good on the dealers lot)

Hey- anyone want a ride? I go half as far for just as much, if not more.... But heyyyy- "alternative fuels, man"...

"There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of natural gas vehicles in operation in South America."

True. There are definitely not "millions".

"I regularly ride in them on my trips there."

Yes, the vast majority of conversions are fleets of public, government and military transport.

True. There are definitely not "millions".

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Colombia alone has 300,000 natural gas vehicles in service right now. And Colombia is not as big as Brazil.

How many countries in South America? You do the math. I'm pretty sure it comes to millions (plural).

There are definitely not "millions".

More proof you don't know what you are talking about, BustinJ.

Natural gas vehicles are increasingly used in the Asia-Pacific region ... with 5.7 million NGVs, followed by Latin America with almost 4 million vehicles.

Just as I suspected... MILLIONS.

You just don't get it. CNG is not an "alternative fuel" in Asia and South America. It IS the fuel for millions of vehicles.

asoka, "Violence is barbarian. Violence is inexcusable. There is no justification for the use of violence. Violence is abhorrent. Under no circumstances do I justify violence. I condemn violence in no uncertain terms. I have said this 500 times on CFN and I will continue to state that nonviolence is the way."

The way to what? Your wife raped, beaten, killed? Your sons or daughters? How about people you don't know. What about those that squish daises that cannot have empathy for daises? Should they not themselves be squarshed?

You've squirreled yourself away in a protective cocoon, your mud hut building is a pantomime of the paper wasp hive mind: you are an invasive species in an alien land.

You can't help but hurt those people with your latent Americanism. You'll tell them everything is fine- just convert vehicles to natural gas.

You'll tell them there's no fuel problem, no food problem, no environment problem.

Come back, back to the mistake that made you, back to the bosom of America where shit is hard and people are dangerous.

Here we will forge a new confusion, we will make you king of the Wild Things...


But seriously, doesn't everyone know what a troll you are?

I present facts. Hard numbers. You cannot refute them.

So what do you do? Put words in my mouth, present false statements, and then resort to ad hominem, calling me a troll. I'm through with you, BustinJ.

Oh when did you first come back? I guess I was just oblivious to you until your all out attack on me in your usual pedantic way. In any case, I'm happy that my post was the woolen feather that tipped the scale.

But yes somehow the extreme pedantry combined with your abrupt and overwhelming manifestation combined with your new name and produced a most annoyed reaction in me.

I've eaten quiche before: it was alright but I don't like the texture or the appearance. So your Missus Quiche is translated in my mind to Miss Piggy. Also Asoka had written some beatiful meditations about his own death and how he would be with you soon. All of that is now ruined.

I'll deal with it I guess since I'm sure you wont change this disgusting handle just to please me. I'll just try and think of you as Q - the strange, pedantic but powerful alien from Star Trek 2.

'But seriously, doesn't everyone know what a troll you are?'
Who is 'everyone'?
Sorry I'm almost doubled over laughing at yr riposte to Lord Asokanath.

We're being genocided and you chide for feeling fear and hatred. Reginald Denny forgave his subhuman assailants as did the Court. One of them went on to murder.

There's nothing wrong with me - it's you softies that are the problem and always have been. Because you typically have alot of hate - but instead of having xenophobia you have xenophillia and end up hating your own people. Xenophobia is natural but xenophillia is crazy when taken as an offical social policy which punishes those who disagree and encourage people to hate them.

Perhaps W sees something of the French Revolution in the Muslims [Blacks?] looting in Eurabia,
looting any store except book stores.

Question: WHATS THE ONE THING GIVEN FREELY BLACKS DONT TAKE OR LIKE?


Answer: EDUCATION.

Look how he gets on with Wage: Anarchists seem to usually march with Communists so I can be forgiven for seeing him as PC. The real question is why they do it. What possible connection can anarchism have with State Dominance and Collectivism? They get purged in the end - an that means right after the Revolution.

If I could dream of coming up with a sea
want to use my thoughts of you build a boat
then my tears into an oar
slowly as the waves roll to your port
my love for you is always impossible to use the language of confession
my heart was weak quietly buried
I hope I can put into your warm embrace
never separate the

Every time I read this site the comments section always has the same group of weirdos, pseudo-intellectuals, and fringe kooks.

It's too bad because there is a lot of truth in what you write. Except that at times you get a little out there and attract the types that you do because of that. You rail at 'ordinary' people but most of them would be turned off by the people who comment here.

That most certainly is a damn good question. It's also a question that will start being answered soon.

At some point, my guess is that Atlas indeed will shrug.

The current free welfare checks for every mail box scenario will certainly vanish very soon one way or the other. When that happens, the ball will start rolling downhill. The liberals can whine, sob, cry and moan until the Missouri river overflows but nothing will stop it.

I think it's gonna be a wild ride.

One of the very few sane on target comments with which I can agree.

Maybe it will last....

From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177939&start=25

Is Reality Physics - Mathematics ?

The unreasonable precision with which mathematics describes reality has always puzzled physicists. The reason is most likely because the reality described is not really a reality and is much more so a Technology: an invention, mostly a machine, as most of those equations and interactions and experiments and laws have been furnished by how machines and devices interact with some kind of detached reality, a reality that is in essence pretty far away from nature, if with nature you mean the pure random blind forces operating under nature like inside stars (plasmas), the forces modeling the earth (earthquakes, mountain formation), the weather and most of the random natural events that occur like ocean waves and their exact form and design (can you predict them with mathematical precision ?). Of course we know and can apply mathematics to all of such, we know the general forces and such, but the precision is no longer "unreasonable".

So what scientists do is confuse technology with nature, confuse a mathematical model and description and design of technological machines with nature, as if the technology is nature: but it is not so, technology is a very specifically configured slab of matter that closely follows and abides to mental, linguistic and especially mathematical models: what came first the technological machine and interaction or the mental mathematical model ? Mostly the other way around, the mental mathematical models influenced what kinds of contraptions we would design according to clear cut needs and functions according to how we interact with reality.

SO in essence, there is no "unreasonable precision" of mathematics to reality, but only a mostly reasonable precision of mathematics to machines that interact with reality and confuses us into thinking that they are reality. Like a particle accelerator: are they simply studying an engineered device or really studying the laws of physics ?

Matter is set up so as to express mathematical relationships, so as to emphasize mathematical relationships. Our mathematical models are more than anything mostly machines, mental models of machines that are providing us a function and as such easily lend themselves to models and especially mathematical models. Since the functions and operations the machines must provide have been defined and created within a mental model of reality through language, they already, from the outset have properties that imply models and eventually mathematical, precision models, models where you can apply equations and predictions and perfect them accordingly, but because the function is clearly defined and clearly delimited by language and the model and then mathematical models further delimit and perfect them: and then machines are designed and constructed and experimented within a very controlled and predictable environment, no free wills opposing their forces to what the machines must do, no random forces and quirk details messing up models like what happens in most of real natural systems and not modelized and forced systems carving their function out of reality, by force.

From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177939&start=25

At what point does a technology become a science ? at what point do we confuse a technology with science ? When did computer become "Computer Science" so to say, and is it a Natural Science ? If so then why isn't the game of Chess also simply a Natural Science ? and then why not Soccer or American Football a science ? a real science ? In this respect, we are not the "View from Nowhere" that science supposes it has, we are always the view from somewhere, from someplace, from some cultural or experience reference system, from some language construct, thought construct and memory organization of knowledge implied by a culture, civilization, tribe.

The discrepancies: the three body problem has no analytical solution (no precise solution in mathematical terms), the differential equations describing mathematical physics have very rarely precise, closed form analytical solutions, initial conditions must be imposed but are always iffy, random, not sure and not precise, non linearities abound, chaotic systems discovered, the butterfly effect ? and mostly look around you, can you give me the equation and precise solution that determined a given design of a given mountain ? can you precisely predict the exact shape of the next waveform of an ocean wave ? can you tell me exactly where the next raindrop will fall ? (but then again nature operates by simply yes and no and some intermediate state, it doesn't need precision, it doesn't care about precision, nature is very approximate, likes to make rough approximations like it will rain today or it will not, it doesn't even know or have within itself the precise capability to know, care or even imagine where the exact next raindrop will fall, it knows it only after the fact, nay, not even after the fact, not even history is true, nay, it doesn't and will never know, nothing will ever know, not even knowing itself knows...). These are all the walls of the reference system science is boxed up in, its perfect mathematical viewpoint breaks down as soon as you exit its reference system: in that case only the interaction and measurement and observation gives you some information, but information that rarely can be built upon to create a prediction as in : Thought is the Sickness, Measurements and Observations are the Cure.

When I saw the first pictures of the neural circuits in brains, I was amazed by how random, chaotic and non sensical it seemed, since I was used to digital electronics and Microprocessor Schematics. Now, I know that reality has no sense or logic, only that which we impose upon it by our thought, logic and our own schematics.

So, at what point does a technology become a science ? it is actually Science that is a Technology, in a very subtle way, and we don't notice it, but Science is a Technology: and this is what will be important when we start to directly modify our Mind Brain Design and change the way it works, thinks, its organizations, its sensations, its experiences and such. We will invent a new and real Science, a Science much closer to reality and much more real than anything our Civilization could have even imaged up to now...

TOBOR THE 8 MAN

So, at what point does a technology become a science ? it is actually Science that is a Technology, in a very subtle way, and we don't notice it, but Science is a Technology: and this is what will be important when we start to directly modify our Mind Brain Design and change the way it works, thinks, its organizations, its sensations, its experiences and such. We will invent a new and real Science, a Science much closer to reality and much more real than anything our Civilization could have even imagined up to now...

"We're being genocided and you chide for feeling fear and hatred." -vlad-

No, Vlad, I chide you for showing that fear in your posts. And I admonish you for making making racial disrespect a leading idea in too many of your posts on CFN. It is counterproductive.

Jim,

Very good, very true, very enlightening....now what? The very fact that you write a blog each week, with various thoughts about the state of world and national affairs, gives me some hope. The Europeans, with their jaded outlook on politics, leaves them unable to look critically at themselves and make some changes. They accept their lot and just complain. I feel as though Americans, are still willing to believe. Believe in something greater than themselves. Your advice, and criticisms galvanize your readership to at least answer you and give their view. That is hopeful. Only when you accept the status quo are you doomed.
We all have to keep critizing and creating a new reality. It take lots of work such as brainstorming and intelligence with a great amount of bravery to MAKE IT HAPPEN. If that means tearing down a corrupt system to rebuild a sense of what America was,,,,,then so be it.

"What do you call some of that stuff Dee Jones says on here, working for the Peace Corps?
Do you have to be a white separatist to be hateful?" -calebT-

Dee floats around like a butterfly, occasionally leaving little pollen grains of hate in her wake.

Vlad, on the other hand, is an artillery shell of hate. His verbal explosions make other posters stop thinking altogether - as they dive into their customary defensive positions.

Methuselah seems to think he can reproduce with someone who is "non-white" enough that he can eliminate hate and vengeance-seeking from his gene pool
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No, I have no problem with hate and vengeance. Quite the contrary, I believe this to be a natural condition and healthy reaction to you lying thieving murderous scum. Of-course, one can always count on you lying thieving murderous scum to deliberately misinterpret, deliberately lie and make false assertions, because that's how you are wired to operate. You can't help it.

What I said, is what I said many times before. I will have nothing to do with you white blue-eyed devil dogs, you lying thieving murderers. I don't want to have any resemblance to you, even if it's just a superficial physical resemblance. My reaction to you will not be unique. I'm just a little bit ahead of the curve. You disgusting scum will be vomited out existence by the rest of the world.

I'm glad you're back "Q"uiche! You are among the seven posters that I value.


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=178053

"Aztecs were bad-ass.

When they were born, the first thing they heard was "you were brought into this world to suffer."

The luckiest of the lucky got to be taken prisoner in a battle and brutally sacrificed in front of a whole city. Seriously, this was considered the greatest possible honor."


More than death cults, pain cults ? or emotional sensation cults ? a primitive way to investigate new emotions or sensations (just like our Drugs LSD or whatever, when what we want is to change our neural system), or the fascination with extreme situations pains/emotions ?

Asymmetry of Information ? some more know than others, some have the power to decide, the fascination with death and pain and the independence of the decisions ? but if we are all equal no fun, the game is inequality of information or decisions ? groups that are equal but only up to a certain point ? but then each individual must thrive to distinguish himself, to know something unknown (secret knowledge (no one else knows, as in against others)) ? not all equal...

Asymmetry of Information ? some know more than others, some have the power to decide, the fascination with death and pain and the independence of the decisions ? but if we are all equal no fun, the game is inequality of information or decisions ? groups that are equal but only up to a certain point ? but then each individual must thrive to distinguish himself, to know something unknown (secret knowledge (no one else knows, as in against others)) ? not all equal...

"I will have nothing to do with you white blue-eyed devil dogs, you lying thieving murderers. I don't want to have any resemblance to you, even if it's just a superficial physical resemblance." -met-

Didn't you say last night that you had blond hair, white skin, and grey/green eyes, Met? So, what are you talking about, if you're not just talking about reproducing with someone who will make your children look different?

Are you considering cosmetic surgery, hair transplants, and skin darkening treatments for yourself?
You know that won't change your underlying genetics, right?
Please explain.

This link relates to last night's dust-up re the use of Nat Gas in cars and trucks. It is written from a stock market perspective.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/328482-a-paired-trade-for-the-natural-gas-vehicle-boom?source=email_the_daily_dispatch&ifp=0

No existing engines are calibrated, designed for, or recommended for use with it.
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This is totaly false. Honda makes a version of their Civic that runs on natural gas. The NAVCOM feature shows NatGas filling stations nationwide. And if you have natgas at home you can fill it by purchasing a kit to put at home for this porpouse. Also Toledo Ohio has been running some of it's bus fleet on nat gas for decades. It's really not that hard to convert over to either natgas or propane. I have a buddy of mine who converted his F-150 pick up to propane. The mileage isn't all that great but it polutes a whole lot less. With the cost fluctuations in the price of both gasoline and propane out in the Toledo market it's not always the most cost effective option. Especially when you're buying 250 gallons at a fillup. A lot of fork trucks used in factories also run on propane or huge ass batteries.

Ok Alex, that would be ..... What is Fathers Day ?

; )

Didn't you say last night that you had blond hair, white skin, and grey/green eyes, Met?
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I did. I also said that this superficial resemblance will not persist in my progeny. But you already know all this. You just continue to deliberately "misunderstand", lie and misrepresent, because that's what you do. You can't help it. It's wired in your genetic code.

Forgot to mention that Holden (GM of Australia) also maked cgn engines available on many of their auto's.

But I also know that alQuada was not responsible for the massive production that was 9-11. - WL

I heard Arabs say something to the effect that Arabs couldn't have pulled this off because Arabs are late for everything. Would've missed the flights. I'm sure they were joking.

Do you think that Arabs or Muslims don't have the intellect or the will?

See the main thing is this one issue: what would motivate young men to sacrifice their own lives? What was their cause? This is nothing new. Young men have sacrificed their own lives for causes all through history. But they don't generally just do it for the hell of it. So there must have been a compelling reason. Once you've figured that out then you have the keys to the rest of it ie how it happened and why.

You seem to think that the US was behind it all, that what happened on 9/11 would serve as a justification for more war making etc. So the question is this: was it really young Arab men that hijacked those planes? Or was it Americans that hijacked those planes? If it was Americans then what was their cause? What of their own families and friends and associates? Would they have stayed quiet all this time?

So if Q still is alive, who was that sad old sack I killed in New Brunswick, New Jersey? Jesus, next thing you know Myrtle will pop up, indicating that I've twice killed the wrong bitch!

So long as the Little Debbie snack cakes keep getting delivered to the Circle K convenience store in my hood, all will be well in my world. I got kicked out of the Boy Scouts when I was ten. For eating a Brownie.

Well done.

Al-Qaeda is just another CIA front group. They are funded by the CIA, they are controlled by the CIA, they work for the CIA. They do the CIA's bidding while the CIA can claim deniability.

The 9/11 perpetrators were trained in florida, on US military air bases. They were given clearance for such at the highest levels. Investigative journalist Russ Baker investigated this, and I believe he is telling the truth.

"I've spent since 1964 working on helping white/black relations in the United States to improve. I went to desegregated schools. I sent my kids to desegregated schools. I've done everything I could for FORTY SEVEN YEARS -

And asoka spends every week telling me that it was not enough - that it will NEVER be enough.
I'm f*cking sick of it. And I'm sick of him."

That there is priceless! You've done everything you could by going to desegregated schools? I realize that for a southerner, that's a big deal, but for the rest of us? Not so much.

That reminds me of a patient I had once, who was complaining that her boyfriend wouldn't have sex with her. As she plaintively said "I changed my diaper and everything". That caused great hilarity in the ER, since most of us have different foreplay practices. But she thought that it was significant.

As I've pointed out before, the US struts around bragging that we fought a war to end slavery, and the rest of the world shrugs and says, "We just passed a law making it illegal".

And your half of the US, of course, fought FOR slavery, not against it. A fact that's never mentioned because it's politically incorrect on the right.

If the cops chased Rodney King on a high speed chase, then they were breaking the law. It is illegal to have high speed chases in California because innocent bystanders are frequently killed.

Looting is not a violent crime, whether done by bankers or ordinary citizens. It is a property crime. So your preference is irrelevant.

Oooh, Rhino, playing the racism card!

So it's racist to suggest that Arabs were not responsible for the 9-11 attacks?

Pitiful.

So young Arab men sacrificed their lives because ... I'm confused ... because the CIA told them to?

The part you're hung up upon is that you believe that young Arab men sacrificed their lives, for whatever reason.

When the airlines released their manifests, there were no Arab names on them.

There is no footage from the airports that the flights originated from of Arabs getting on the planes.

You don't have to figure out why they did it. They didn't do it.

You didn't answer my question: Do you think that Arabs don't have the intellect or the will to pull off a 9/11? Is it only Americans that have it in them?

You didn't answer my question as to motivation: what would motivate young men to sacrifice their own lives?

A group sacrificed their lives on 9/11.

Why? To help American defence contractors make money?

Gotta do better Wage.

So young Arab men sacrificed their lives because ... I'm confused ... because the CIA told them to?
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In a way, yes. They are CIA assets. They are selected, trained, and empowered to act, because they have the psychological profile to carry out their mission for the CIA. This is exactly what they did with Hitler and Stalin and the rest of them. They empowered these people because their psychological profile made them amenable and predictable for the purpose for which they were empowered to act. Back then it was not officially called the CIA, but the same Vatican Controllers that control the CIA also controlled the OSS and the other secret men and organizations prior.

Also, let me be clear. What Russ Baker has found out is that people having the exact names as those that the US government claims were responsible for 9/11, were trained by the US military on US military bases, and that these people were not amateur pilots but professional pilots. In fact, they had multiple pilot licenses from multiple countries and worked as professional pilots.

Metuselah, thank you for explaining it in plain English for Rhino.

You see, Rhino is always looking for "hidden agendas" (that's what his father taught him to do) and, now that you have exposed the USA imperialist hidden agenda, Rhino says he is "confused" and appears incredulous. His father would be disappointed.

Um... the official "agenda" and storyline looks more coherent than the stuff I've seen this morning with one theorist that apparently has no idea who sacrificed their own lives on 9/11 and why they did it. Another theory has it that the Vatican is behind it.

So do you have experience in comedy?

Your turn to make me laugh.

Go ahead.

Get in now? You chided Met the other week for having more hate than me. Where did you ever get the idea that the rest of the world has trouble with hatred - especially the Jews? Met is right: the Creator gave us these emotions for a reason. Real men feel fear and hatred but aren't paralyzed or stuck in them. Your response to Met and Me speaks volumes about where You're stuck: someplace between the old brittle macho masculinity where men don't have any fear and a Southern revisionist gentility where negative emotions are "unseemly" and frowned upon by the good people. But more in the latter.

Well fuck all that. That's over with and good riddance. That kind of bullshit culture whether Southern or its Northern Yankee version has brought up to the brink of catastrophe. The good people are supposed to feel compassion for the "other" and so no fear or anger could be expressed at them coming in vast numbers across our borders. And they weren't hurting the good people - only the White Trash who deserve to be hurt, right? I mean the Good People never understood and overcame their negative emotions - they just transfered them onto a different hate object - their own People in a the other Party or in a different Class. And that my friend was and is Despicable.

Dee as a butterfly leaving tiny pieces of shit? More like a seagull with raucous cries and dumping huge loads of shit everywhere. More Southern gentility: the cult of the gentleman who worships the Women. Oh and your response to me when I brought up the torture of men by Feminism was EXACTLY the same as the Middle Class's response to immigration for decades: don't know and don't want to know. Good people don't get tortured or laid off. If they do, they must have deserved it.

How about some new Ideals to replace all this crap? How about Vigilance? How about listening to the poor man of your own Race? How about taking your brother's pain as your own? How about not projecting all the good onto coloreds and all the bad onto Whites? Or all the good onto Women and the bad onto Men?

We'll know we're back when men can fight again and not get locked up. And dueling should be allowed back to: it would help keep assholes in check if they knew that there is a limit they can't safely cross. I'm not saying it should be taken lightly: it would have to be a mutual agreement not just someone gunning down someone else. But a big mouth who wasn't willing to put up would be humiliated in a way they just aren't nowadays. I don't want a return to the violent wild west but rather a civil society in the real sense: an armed society is a polite one. And good policemen would welcome all this.

John C Calhoun was right: you people wont be satisfied until Whites are slaves and Black their Masters. We don't owe these people anything. That debt is paid. But since they will never see it that way and can't compete with us on a level playing field, we must needs separate as Lincoln and Jefferson advised.

While I admire socially-committed Black comedians like Dick Gregory (he can explain 9/11 to you), I am not a comedian.

What we are discussing on CFN is deadly serious.

If I were to make you laugh, you would then have to hunt for the hidden agenda: what is Asoka up to, trying to make me laugh?

I'm not playing your games.

Millions of lives are on the line. Europe could crash next week and our economy would soon follow.

Iran could be attacked next week. And we could be engulfed in WWIII.

NASA just issued a report that conclusively establishes climate change is not sun-related, climate change is human-caused.

The whole yahweh-damned country is being overrun by jeshua-damned LEGAL immigrants and that will destroy all life on Planet Earth.

And you are asking if I have experience in comedy?

Get real... our days are numbered. We are so fucked!

And the Arab insurgents were closely monitored by Mossad who chose not to tell us about the coming attack. Some of these "middle eastern gentlemen of Jewish extraction" were found drinking champagne and celebrating on a near by roof top.

It's quite possible that parts of our Goverment did know as well.

When will these White Motherfuckers realize that Blacks invented everything - including them? Sun Ra and Calypso Louie are proud of you. As Louie said, these Jews wont let me talk to Barack anymore.

CORRECTION

The whole yahweh-damned country is being overrun by jeshua-damned LEGAL immigrants and that will destroy all life on Planet Earth, according to ProCon (he's the comedian)

When will these White Motherfuckers realize that Blacks invented everything - including them?

Preach, brother Vlad!

Whites, like every other race, did originate in Mother Africa.

The origin of all races is Mother Africa, and we all migrated from there and changed into the distinct racial groups.

However, the modern world and interracial marriage/breeding is gonna take care of that. Africa is our history. Africa is our future.

Miscegenation rules! (and changes genetics)

You're right, keep your day job, you're no comedian.

What did you say you were doing? Building mud huts or something?

But you haven't yet explained to us about how the interests of Hispanic speakers from south of the Rio Grande supercedes the interests of Amerindians whose ancestors have been in the southwest US for more than 10,000 years. You know ...La Reconquista.

Or as Metuselah helpfully put it, the Spanish imperialist fucks were no better...

Also we need to explore one further issue: that if La Reconquista is justified on the basis of "simple justice" as you put it is the reclaiming of Israel by Jews similarly justifed on the basis of this "simple justice".

Metuselah is sitting there bug eyed waiting for your response. So am I.

But you haven't yet explained to us about how the interests of Hispanic speakers from south of the Rio Grande supercedes the interests of Amerindians whose ancestors have been in the southwest US for more than 10,000 years. You know ...La Reconquista.

I did explain it. And, as I recall, your response was ROTFL. The so-called "Mexicans" ARE the indigenous peoples of the region on both sides of the river, before the river was turned into a false boundary line by the Whites. You are making an artificial distinction between Amerindians and "hispanic speakers"

Maybe you should read up on this subject:

Codex Tamuanchan: On Becoming Human (1998) by R. Rodríguez

The X in La Raza II (1996) by R. Rodríguez

Let Their Spirits Dance (2003) by S. Pope Duarte

Rethinking Columbus: The Next 500 Years (1998) by B. Bigelow and B. Peterson

The Latino Condition: A Critical Reader (1998) by R. Delgado and J. Stefancic

Occupied America: A History of Chicanos (2004) by R. Acuña

VIVA LA RECONQUISTA!

I have no doubt but that I am one of the Seven Samurai too.

Have you ever noticed how tolerant the 'progressives' aren't when someone questions their dogma? They usually resort to personal attacks and fourth rate psychoanalysis.

I would say the left has had this undertone of borderline fascism since at least the days of Abbie Hoffman.

That's what 'political correctness' is, basically left wing speech codes put in place by borderline fascists. They couldn't care less about free speech, and tolerance is you be tolerant of them, or one of their designated sacred cows, they don't have to be tolerant of anything they don't like. And, they can say anything that comes into their Goddamn heads about somebody else.

Right. Just keep talkin' sucka. That's all it takes. Whites are a mistake. There ya go folks. Step right up folks - see the purple colored Black jive turkey. You are one of the 5 I will see in heaven. SJ's 7 are going to kidnap her and hold her in a purgatory of sorts.

VIVA LA RECONQUISTA!
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No, that term applies to the French/Spanish Vatican forces who took over from the Vatican Muslims, after the Vatican Muslims eliminated the Visigoth tribes in the Iberian (Hebrew) peninsula that fought and rejected Rome/Vatican.

I once picked up a slender volume of Lenin. In a brief paragraph he gave away the whole story. In my own word: Villify your opponent completely and constantly. Do not grant them the slightest saving virtue or even an iota of humanity. They are to be portrayed as complete and utter scum.

It was worth the two or three dollars I paid for it. That is the attitude the American Left adopted. And as the Liberals moved leftward they picked it up as well. They ruined the political climate in this country. And after decades of this kind of slander, now we respond in kind - and they are amazed, stunned, outraged. In other words, they are without any self knowledge at all. They accused the right almost as Gabby Giffords head hit the pavement. It's frightening -as was the ADL's Missouri Report to Homeland Security - T Party, NRA, Fiscal Conservatives - all terrorists basically.

Vatican Muslims. There ya go folks. Step right up and we'll put the blonde Jew in with the purple Black and see what happens.

Fact (just in case anyone cares): The Muslims and the Jews conquered the Iberian (Hebrew!?) Peninsula together. The Muslims would take a town and then leave a Jewish Garrison to hold and administer it. Thus the Crusaders believed correctly that they were fighting the Muslims and the Jews in the Reconquista. Unwisely but true to Church policy, they allowed the Jews to stay after the Conquest. And of course they lived to regret that as the Jews plotted constantly against them.

More proof you don't know what you are talking about, BustinJ.

Natural gas vehicles are increasingly used in the Asia-Pacific region ... with 5.7 million NGVs, followed by Latin America with almost 4 million vehicles.

Just as I suspected... MILLIONS.

"You just don't get it. CNG is not an "alternative fuel" in Asia and South America. It IS the fuel for millions of vehicles."

Sure, as a marginal alternative. What is controversial about that?

Here is the situation with CNG: there are a few marginal players, manufacturers, and suppliers who are building out the very last, very short thread of the industrial project, trying to capture for themselves a slice of the fossil fuels pie.

Because, after all, fossil fuels are money in chemical form. A well-head, methane capture regime, and any number of other point sources must be tapped and burned- to create a profit. Otherwise, they must be flared off.

Situation: Govt goes to pig farm, says, "Pig Farmer, you have methane problem, our in-bed associates in industry will install the collection system and a pipe."

In the first world, this is local utilities. The Methane is fed into the grid.

In the third world, such a scheme is something a swarthy, sweaty man with 4 nubile daughters and 5 sons and mouths to feeds sees as his Pot O' Gold at the end of the rainbow.

He will work for $2 and hour to establish the network of marginal parts and contracts, mostly with local fleets- buses, taxis, other commercial rigs. He hangs his shingle out as Natural Gas Producer of Mumbai, and he buys equipment to pump natural gas, he hires the $2 and hour Indian engineer to look it over.

Local politicans get involved because it makes them look like they're part of the 1st world. There are ribbon cutting, taxes levied, palms greased, and reporters all a-twitter.

Most of the time- the vast majority of the time- scavenged methane (or mined) methane goes to power cooking gas ranges.

Stick it in a bottle, and you can mark that shit up through the roof.

But as a motor fuel? We're talking economies of scale, volumes of gas. Motor fuel is almost pure wastage- we've covered that.

What is going to make Pot'O'Gold more money, bottling 2 liters and selling at a markup, to end-consumers who have barely more than two wooden nickels to rub together, or the local municipal fleet, with its mustachioed primary-school graduates, willing to overload an ancient Frieghtliner with as many kids, moms, dads, and sheep?

The answer is a little of both.

But I have digressed from doing doughtnuts all over your CNG field of dreams. The mathematical reason it is an Alt-Fuel is that it is marginal. Lets say 10 million (high ceiling) is the amount of CNG vehicles worldwide- no- double that: 20 million, because I'm full of chuckles today.

Whats the total vehicle fleet population divided by 20 million? How marginal is marginal? Sub 1%? 2% You do the math, Greenspan.

Look at this bucket of chuckles: www.ngvamerica.org/about_ngv/

Heres what we have- an industry funded little side project keeping a small team of techno-crats (they are hard at work at their laptops in Starbucks) making a bit of website, a bit of industrial poo-poo, making it look "profesh"...

The website is nothing but lure for the vast sea of investor money... or perhaps just to bolster the sector, giver people like Mr. Pot'O'Gold in mumbai a shot in the Arm of confidence. Like all other alternative fuel organizations, the New Golden Dawn is just around the corner: just look at the numbers! The claims! With Bullet Points!

Linked is more government research. "Hard" market research. Latest Oct. 2011 shows CNG prices rising, all other alternative diving. Relevance to discussion: zero. Who cares- doesn't matter.

The 'savings' of using methane as an auto fuel are also marginal. Even if prices stay lower than gasoline (as equivalent units) there is not enough conversions to make a consumer market.

As for the realities of owning a vapor fueled, fossil-fuel burning hunk of metal- you'll appreciate the marginality and lack of practicality when you run out of gas. Enjoy getting towed home- or to the dispensary. Or perhaps you've shelled out a few thou and signed off on all the paperwork to own your own pump. Or purchased a bulk-fill contract. You can enjoy refilling your vehicle somewhere in the industrial part of town (does your town even have an industrial area anymore?)

When you have a little break-down, have fun looking for the vapor-fuel specialist to fix your rig, if they'll even touch it.

And if you ever get in an accident, enjoy telling the emergency responders there is a pressurized tank of gas in the wreckage.

For the third worlders, especially in Asia-Pacific, they'll have fun-fun-fun collecting from the massive animal manure pits their societies are rapidly expanding (so they can eat meat- in order to grow tall like the Western barbarian hordes). When people burn natural gas to cook pigs that created it, on feed-stocks from industrial agriculture, they do so at high efficiencies. That is, the gas is turned into heat that is used.

As a waste gas for collection, there is nothing super wrong with using Natural gas. But step back, and look at the context: the context is an extremely large amount of consumption by a huge number of people, driving the agriculture, the meat-eating, and so the burning itself is a greenhouse-gas generator on top of the intensity of all the other activity. But it is better than simply releasing methane- which humanity is doing quite a lot of.

No system is perfect, and the proliferation of natural gas distribution systems is the same. These things leak, all of them, some or all of the time. This is the #2 punch to our planet's future (after #1, carbon dioxide) which will ultimately end our civilization, and pretty much all life as we know it.

We're getting there. We're finding solutions- in more problems. Your average American is about as resourceful as a rural operator with 9 children in India: they are on a mission to survive, to compete, to exploit any free energies or capital they can get their hands on. Governments, societies, the whole thing, is focused on "liberating capital" to keep living tomorrow like they were living today.

D as a butterfly: Repent or be damned to ye! Little pollen grains of hate indeed.

Jews lived in what is today Spain already prior to Jesus. It's called the Iberian peninsula because that where many Hebrews lived. In fact, when Jesus made his sea voyage to recruit more rebels against Rome, he traveled to the land of the Gadarenes (tribe of Gad) which is southern Spain and the islands near by (Majorca, etc). It was not a voyage in the lake of Galilee as the Vatican would you believe.

Its funny- where do you see bottled CNG as a fuel: when there are no alternatives.

- You live in an urban area that doesn't have services like piped gas

- You live in an area where the price of dried dung-cakes is competitive

- You live in an area where every other scrabbling hand have denuded the landscape of burnable firewood

CNG is an alternative, but in context, not really.

Methane is generated by a meat-heavy consumption lifestyle. A real alternative would be reducing that. Methane is a GHG, not a non-GHG. Non-GHGs go in the 'real alternative' pile.

Methane as a motor fuel only perpetuates and accelerates clusterfuckation of the world's life-support systems. Its use is the canary in the coal mine, screaming that we are backsliding. we are too fucking stupid to see the forest for the trees, with our slick alt-fuel websites and bootstrap-propaganda.

When methane (CH4) enters the atmosphere, it reacts with molecules of oxygen (O) and hydrogen (H), called OH radicals. The OH radicals combine with methane and break it up, creating carbon dioxide (CO2) and water vapor (H2O), both of which are greenhouse gases. Scientists previously assumed that all of the released methane would be converted to CO2 and water after about a decade. If that happened, the rise in CO2 would have been the biggest player in warming the planet. But when scientists tried to find evidence of increased CO2 levels to explain the rapid warming during the LPTM, none could be found.

The models used in the new study show that when you greatly increase methane amounts, the OH quickly gets used up, and the extra methane lingers for hundreds of years, producing enough global warming to explain the LTPM climate.

"Ten years of methane is a blip, but hundreds of years of atmospheric methane is enough to warm up the atmosphere, melt the ice in the oceans, and change the whole climate system," Schmidt said. "So we may have solved a conundrum."

The chemistry is telling. Methane is a planetary killer. If Methane is released and uses up the atmosheric free radicals, we are going to cook in a very, very disturbing fashion. For starters, the lack of free radicals will mean all of our other frantic and wasteful enterprises- generating all that auto exhaust, not to mention just the incidental off-gassing of all sorts of pollution- will be inhibited from degrading.

We take it for granted because we are stupid and prideful, and without imagination or ideas. We are following our Alpha male leaders and their doctrines of self-interest into a pit where we die choking on our own waste. That is, the future and last generation, mostly.

Vatican Muslims. There ya go folks.
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That's right. Same as CIA/Al-QAEDA, or Alex Jones refers to them, CIA'EDA. Same arrangement. Same technique. By the same people.

Also, let me be clear. - Met
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No, let me be clear. You are the biggest Asshole on this site and "Asshole" is the foulest insult ever conceived. You are despicable and a disgrace to the Jewish people.

You several fools (especially Prog) following you around like puppies, engaging with you when anyone with common sense can see it's fruitless. It's embarrassing and they are becoming "Jerkoffs," the second most insulting label one could be tagged with. My advice to them and to all posters here: don't be a Jerkoff, don't talk to Assholes.

I keep making the implicit mistake of saying "If" as if "IF" methane is released.

It will be released- enthusiastically. The enthused will be those making money, those looking to extend this regime of unsustainable economic and ecological practices, and those trolls and cheerleaders on the sidelines, may Jesus forgive them, they know not what they do.

You are dense, BustinJ.

"you'll appreciate the marginality and lack of practicality when you run out of gas."

Ever heard of dual fuel vehicles?

You don't know what you're talking about. Natural gas as a motor vehicle fuel is not "marginal" it's not "alternative" it's mainstream for millions of vehicles. People earn a living driving those vehicles and natural gas works as a substitute or as a complement.

Don't take the USA experience (non-experience) with natural gas vehicles and think it's the same world wide. It is not.

LOL!

DA JOOZ!! I'm not "DA JOOZ". If you want "DA JOOZ", talk to Vladik.

My advice to them and to all posters here: don't be a Jerkoff, don't talk to Assholes.

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Careful, Q, that kind of shutting down dialog could get you labelled "RI" ... by Procon ... If you care.

ABC FILM CREW ARRESTED IN CONGRESS

Josh Fox, director of the Academy Award-nominated documentary "Gasland" was taken into custody by Capitol Hill police this morning, along with his crew, after Republicans objected to their presence, according to Democratic sources present at the hearing. The meeting of the House Subcommittee on Energy and Environment had been taking place in room 2318 of the Rayburn building. Approximately 16 officers entered the hearing room and handcuffed Fox amid audible discussions of "disorderly conduct" charges, according to Democratic sources present at the arrest. "Gasland" received strong critical acclaim and takes a critical eye toward the practice of hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking," a process in which several tons of highly pressurized water and chemicals are injected into the ground, allowing valuable natural gas to escape. The practice is decried by ecological experts for destroying ecosystems and polluting groundwater. The energy industry keeps the actual content of fracking chemicals secret.

So much for transparency in public congressional hearings, the first amendment, and freedom of the press.

The origin of all races is Mother Africa, and we all migrated from there and changed into the distinct racial groups. - Asoka
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Sorry but: New information is casting doubt on this^ commonly held belief. The Science section of yesterday's NY Times contained an article titled DNA Turning Human Story Into a Tell-All. Here are the first two paragraphs:

The tip of a girl's 40,000-year-old pinky finger found in a cold Siberian cave, paired with faster and cheaper genetic sequencing technology, is helping scientists draw a surprisingly complex new picture of human origins.

The new view is fast supplanting the traditional idea that modern humans triumphantly marched out of Africa about 50,000 years ago, replacing all other types that had gone before.

So do you have experience in comedy?

Your turn to make me laugh. - Rhino to Asoka
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I thought this line from Asoka was pretty funny:

"The whole yahweh-damned country is being overrun..."

"Of course, I'm allergic to conspiracy theories and the only explanation that adds up for me is the diminishing returns of technology. "

That is unworthy of your intelligence, James. I can only imagine you are trying to protect your position on 9/11. Not that I would blame you for not wanting to mix it with the black ops department of the FBI.

Unfortunately, it comes naturally to powerful men to conspire against the common good to their own short-term, personal advantage. If the long-term is on offer, too, all to the good/(bad).

Your whole column is about the vast political conspiracy of the US's ultra right-wing, two-party system and the anomy, chaos and economic ruin it has engendered. You must be aware that the MSM is an arm of your corporate government, as ours is in the UK.

And surely, western geopolitics never ceases its louche machinations to destabilise other states, if only in pursuit of their favourite 'game' of disaster capitalism.

It could be argued, of course that our governments are a vast unanimously right-wing coalition, but that doesn't preclude subordinate conspiracies one iota.

"YouR several fools (especially Prog) following you around like puppies, engaging with you when anyone with common sense can see it's fruitless. It's embarrassing and they are...."
-a side order of Quiche, to Mika-

You are a narrow minded and judgmental Asshole, Q.
I suspect you take perverse pride in these characteristics. But I wonder if you know how much your posts to CFN incrementally reveal your basic personality to be that of a typical Jerkoff?

I actually find Mika/Met to be an interesting character. I will attempt to engage him for as long as I choose, in an effort to find out just how interesting he might be. I still consider it within the realm of possibility that he is a "sock puppet" of one of the other CFN regulars. Time will tell.

In the meanwhile, don't let your quiche burn.

Q, it is so nice to have you back. I never spotted you until you finally couldn't overcome your grammatical urges; then I knew.

I, too, get very tired of the CFN bullshit responses, but I suspect that is a trait common to all blogs. You may have noticed my replies are somewhat sporatic. I may post a lot over a few days, then I have to stay away from posting for awhile. I gave serious consideration to quit as well.

Q, this news shakes me to the core, but I suspect that was your intent.

In other news it seems they have discovered the remains of multiple 100,000-year-old adobe mud huts and multiple piles of stone tools near the Red Sea, suggesting that the dry desert of the Arabian Peninsula was once a home base for Homo sapiens' earliest migrations.

That discovery also challenges the traditional belief that homo sapiens originated from Africa 65,000 years ago. It presents evidence on abundant freshwater that flowed through the Peninsula about 140,000 years ago during the transition from a glacial to an interglacial period.

Alhamdulillah!

I guess you can have humanity originate wherever it makes you feel most comfortable. Multitudes of origin stories. I kind of like that idea.

Yes NYT yesterday, page D1.

We just jive talking, right?

We all know it was Mother Africa, right?

spo·rad·ic/spəˈradik/


Adjective:
Occurring at irregular intervals or only in a few places; scattered or isolated.


sorry, could not resist!

You are a narrow minded and judgmental Asshole, Q.

Whoa, dude!

Roughing the poster.

5-yard penalty.

As an RI, you will be charged for delay of game.

yeah really!

'Right in the middle of a week and without announcement, unlike Prog who feels he must advise us whenever he's leaving his keyboard to take a dump (as if we care), I stopped posting. I wondered if I could quit completely and more importantly I wondered if I could stop reading..............'

How dare he!

"That there is priceless! You've done everything you could by going to desegregated schools? I realize that for a southerner, that's a big deal, but for the rest of us? Not so much." -Wage-

Wage, I said I had done everything I could. Going to, and sending my kids to, desegregated schools was just an example. And it certainly was NOT strongest example I could have chosen. And, anyway, everything means EVERYTHING.

And yet, 47 years of earnest US effort, with Affirmative Action, the War on Poverty, amazing social programs and all the rest of it - was not enough to make asoka, as a proxy for forever dissatisfied African-Americans, satisfied. And you, Wage, are now backing him up and poking fun at me because I should have - somehow - done more.
It truly is hopeless. I can never do enough. The USA can never do enough. Just ask asoka..

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"If the cops chased Rodney King on a high speed chase, then they were breaking the law. It is illegal to have high speed chases in California because innocent bystanders are frequently killed." -wage-

This is a NICE example of the way history is twisted in an effort to make historical actors in the PAST, extra responsible for their actions - as though those actions were occurring in this present day - with all of the knowledge and modern biases - of this present day.

High speed chases were completely legal for police in LA County in 1992. The Rodney King chase reached 117 MPH. King was DUI, by at least double the legal limit.

There's a lot about the King case that was spun and twisted, and that never really came to light. You know you can trust Salon.
http://www1.salon.com/news/1998/03/13news.html
"Here they chased this guy for eight miles, they had stopped him.......then directed four officers to jump on King. King threw them off his back. He was sweating on a cold night, it was obvious he was drunk. He pointed at the sky, he called around, he made strange noises, he waggled his buttocks at the woman officer, all of these things. They suspected he was on PCP, and they knew he was strong."

54 people were killed in the rioting that followed the not guilty verdict of the officers who originally arrested King. If he had just stopped his goddam' car when ordered - or never driven under the influence in the first place - none of the rest would have happened.

A butterfly? A butterfly? A foul mouthed harpy strikes me a lot better

Insisting on CNG as a viable alternative/replacement for petroleum is laughable. It is at best a stopgap, for after we run out of oil and before we kill enough of each other off that riding horses will again be feasible. 7 billion people feel entitled to a personal motorcar, and each is as correct as the next. Some folks need several!

Natgas is toxic, corrosive, and explosive. To extract it from the know reserves, especially the shale deposits, would destroy the associated aquifers upon which human society depends. Like burning down your house to stay warm in the winter.

Natgas is also the primary source material for the fertilizers and pharmaceuticals that have contributed to the explosion of human population in the last 50 years. Start burning that shit to go to Walmart and kiss Grannie's meds and marigolds goodbye.

It makes me think of a friend who converted his Beetle to bio-diesel, and now tells everyone who will listen that this is the answer. See, if everyone lived on french fries the waste would power the world. And, he gets it free!

The greasy truth is that we need to do what we will never do willingly: we need to give up the motorheaded madness that defines us historically as shortsighted, foul, belligerent hive-people, as termites who will gladly consume the dying tree that houses us without a thought about where we go next.

Obama knows that if he tells us this he will go the way of Jimmeh's cardigan. So he blows natgas up our asses, it tickles, and some of us love him for it.

Politicians get elected by telling us what we want to hear. Rarely do we want to hear the truth.

For those of you with an interest in something which transcends the usual possibilities discussed on CFN, I would consider the documentary "DMT - The Spirit Molecule".

It's available from Netflix, on streaming at least, there is also a website which gives other sources. Facinating to say the least, and highly recommended.

Quite true. Man as Homo Erectus probably became Man as Homo Sapiens outside of Africa. In any case, it's always amusing to see Blacks claiming that long legged apes like Lucy the Australopithecus were Negroes.

Q was reporting on a white body with a pinky sticking out of the ice in Siberia.

If Met's people are God's chosen people, then your people, Vlad, are God's frozen people. Think about it.

You see? It's a religion - the Black as Christ. You have to sacrafice unto death for them or you are just a piker. Now how does such feeling tie into being a citizen? Or Blacks as citizens? Certainly it indicates that they should have incredible privledge - and Whites have to give it to them, or should I say other Whites, not the good people of course. Wage and her ilk are deluded and dangerous people who enable Blacks and egg them on to worse and worse behavior.

Oh yes, Black Professor Jefries and his theory of the Sun (good) People and Ice (Bad) People. I find it interesting that Blacks are White on their hands and feet. Perhaps you were once White and turned Black as an adaptation or as a punishment for your sins?

   The 2012 London Olympic Games less than 200 days, and LOCOG are nervous doing the final preparations. However, British Sky Broadcasting has issued a survey report, the final actual cost of the London Olympics may more than 12 billion pounds, this figure will exceed five times the British original Olympic budget. solar heater panel
   Xinhua News Agency, Xinhua, reported that seven years ago, London's successful Olympic bid, will host the Olympic Games and Paralympic Games budgeted cost of 23.7 billion pounds. In 2007, due to the construction site and a number of safety measures and security management needs, the budget was increased to 9.3 billion pounds. With the Olympics approaching, that there will be £ 2.4 billion to pay for anti-doping personnel costs, the local government's Torch Relay Plan, Metro staff during the Olympic Games of high compensation and the Olympic legacy projects.
   Reported that for the above figure does not include terrorism, national security and intelligence, the London public infrastructure and other related costs. If you count all the expenses, the London Olympics, the final actual total cost may be higher. solar light
 

Glad you're here Bill. Now please chastise Met for his racism against Whites and also counsel him for his feelings of self hatred for being of part Northern European ancestry.

Hypocrisy #5 trillon and counting

Here's a little taste of first amendment attack on the press and it's by those constitution loving Repug-na-can'ts!---It's a public hearing my friends....

'Gasland' Journalists Arrested At Hearing By Order Of House Republicans

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/01/house-republicans-order-j_n_1246971.html?ref=green&ir=Green

" We'll know we're back when men can fight again and not get locked up. And dueling should be allowed back to: it would help keep assholes in check if they knew that there is a limit they can't safely cross."

On one hand - the romantic one wielding a glove against an adversaries face - a challenge to a duel sounds rather satisfying in a chilling sort of a way. But only if one is fairly sure of the outcome and the duel were to occur in a particular arena of martial competence. And let's face it, most all of us have thanked the law for preventing and inhibiting our deep-seated desires to murder unsavory opposition. Which raises another issue: are the majority of "moral men" simply cowards who are unwilling to face the legal consequences of their deep-seated aggressive impulses? However one answers that question, there can be no doubt that the most dangerous man is the one willing to die in order to murder. There is simply very little defense against that type of commitment.

On the other hand, your longing for the by-gone days of duels inevitably leads to might makes right dynamic. And that dynamic is pregnant with endless opportunity for the bad guys.

All molecules are empty and psychedelic Buddhism is verboten. See the precepts.

I just returned from a short trip to Cambodia, and, unfortunately, I have some rather disturbing news to report. While in Phnom Penh, I re-visited the Khmer Rouge torture center called Tuol Sleng (also called S-21) http://www.tuolsleng.com/history.php

I've visited Tuol Sleng three times over the past 15 years. In any case, it appears that approximately 80% of the original items on display at the museum have been stolen, probably sold to rich people.

Think about it: The purpose of the museum is serve as a warning about society's capacity to slip into madness and the darkness of the human heart. But rather than yeilding to that cautionary tale, some rich fuckers have been buying up the original torture devices used by the Khmer Rouge to put on display in their personal museums, or because they think that the monetary value of such torture devices will appreciate. Sick obtuse bastards!

It doesn't bode well for the future when the rich and powerful start coveting torture devices....

Not at all. If a bully tries to pick a fight or a duel, the police could be called. I object to the police throwing the book at guys who get into tussles. And if a bully tried to pick a duel, same thing. But if an asshole wont relent, I'd appreciate the option - for the Creep to put up or shut up. I'd say it would lessen the sum total of evil. An armed society is a polite society.

Also if you are familiar, the duel itself is hedged with all kinds of provisions for last minute forgiveness and for mercy after hostilities have commenced, etc. A great movie was made about it called "The Duel" - altho it doesn't advance my thesis too much. In the move, the asshole keeps pursuing a gentleman who is above him in class - in both senses of the word. The gentleman felt compelled to consent, which might be the downside if that mentality developed again. But at least it keeps men hard. We have become such weaklings, no wonder we are well on the way towards slavery.

"Massive volumes of clathrates lie buried in the seabed around the world-perhaps twice as much in energy terms as all other fossil fuels combined. Optimum conditions for clathrate formation exist where ocean water is more than 1,300 feet deep, and bottom temperatures are below 34-35 degrees F. The material is kept solid only by the pressure of the overlying water and the cold. While most clathrates lie miles below the sea's surface, very large volumes can be found in the Arctic Ocean, for there tempertures are sufficiently low, even near the surface, to keep them stable."

Page 199: The Weather Makers by Tim Flannery

The above refers to methane clathrates, or frozen methane deposits locked into an ice structure which can catch fire if ignited.

"A butterfly? A butterfly? A foul mouthed harpy strikes me a lot better" -calebT-

Yeah, OK Caleb, I've taken a lot of grief for that today. I still think it's a funny metaphor - butterflies vs artillery shells, and all that.

Honestly, Dee has never hit my CFN RADAR until recently. She lives in Costa Rica as a US expat and she's very defensive about it. She hates Vlad, but she has to stand in line for that around here.
I'll start paying more attention to Dee and see if I've been missing something.
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"D as a butterfly: Repent or be damned to ye! Little pollen grains of hate indeed." -vlad-

Sorry, Vlad, try as I might, I can't find anything for which to repent
- Lookout, Incoming!!
WHHHHRRRRRR, BBOOOMMMM!

Howdy Wage, You have been a busy commenter.

"That's not a crumb the Democrats are tossing you, SNAFU. It's pepper spray and clubs."

I understand your sentiments concerning the approach to "LAW and ORDER" in the US of A; however, a glance into our history illustrates that it is nothing if not the same old same old.

Back in the olden days, a hundred thousand years ago, give or take several thousand, those of our relatives who were holed up in caves in what we now call Europe and those who were trotting about on the great savannas of Africa had become pack animals thus enabling them to survive. Unfortunately, one of the characteristics of pack animals is strong leaders and submissive followers, to the leader not outsiders. Carry forward about a hundred thousand years and we have Cro-Mangan man with a few Neanderthal genes thrown in, calling himself modern man, still saddled with pack animal leadership now called Kings, Queens, Presidents, Premiers ..... Now toss in the current mix of super greedy cocksucker psychopathic 1%ers, probably less than, who own and control everyone else including those who think they are in charge and you get what we've gotten, the shaft.

Yup it would be great to have a different system; but, me thinks without the survival crumbs gingerly sprinkled by the semi liberal Dems, nota chance in Hell. If you do not like what "O" is doing exactly what do you expect the "LAWS of the LAND" will look like after 4 years of another repulsifican POTUS. As for your advice to vote for Ron Paul, perhaps you might want to take a glance at this Wiki link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul - . I do not see him in favor of many of the things that your writings indicate you favor. In fact it appears that he is against most everything you are for. I reckon not all even I could get behind doing away with the FED and having the US gommerment step up and take over the printing of interest free money. Under the system put in place by the psychopathic 1%ers, surviving on the Dems crumbs long enough to wrest control may be the last chance for the 99%ers. The sand may be nearly gone. Anyone out there remember a Winter warmer than this one? 45 F here today, 44.498954,-75.343173, on the first day of February!

"Wage to Rhino, Still, it makes no difference to us peons which faction gets to sit in office and rake in the money."

It would appear to me that subsequent to the Reagan inauguration the transfer of wealth to the obscenely wealthy from the rest of us picked up a hell of a lot larger head of steam than prior. I know that Clinton was in the mix; however, his inability to keep his trouser snake under control, before and after he got to the White House, possibly had something to do with Congress being handed over to the repulsificans after he had been in office for two of his eight years. This likely had much to do with his caving on repulsifican bills to aid the transfer of wealth in an "up gusher" vice the "trickle down" promised by Reagan.

"Wage to Rhino, I do have a pretty good idea what 9-11 isn't. It isn't what they're telling us. It's a great excuse to invade and kill anybody they want to."

You and I have tussled with why the building hit by the aircraft on 9/11 came down so I'll pass on that. I am not adverse to conspiracies; such as, the Kennedy magic bullet which, according to Arlen Specter, passed through two men and was found on the gurney Kennedy was on looking as if it had just been fished out of a rifling catch tank or the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor when the US, courtesy of Great Brittan, had been in possession of the capability to decode the Japanese messages since perhaps 1939. I have had more than a nodding acquaintance with things that go bang and projectiles for nigh onto 60 years the magic bullet was justly named in my book. My hunch is the Japanese were lured into attacking Pearl to get us into the war, boots and all; the mistake was in underestimating the Japanese capabilities. I must agree with Rhino, there is no rational logic thinking clandestine US operatives were used to attack the towers. I can believe that the "W" administration was under direction from the psychopaths to come up with a rational to get us into Iraq. Was the attack on the towers akin to Pearl? We likely knew something was up, the towers had been attacked previously; but, we knew not when nor where. Another underestimate of capability? Perhaps; but, they sure as hell were not going to let any excuse slither away.

"Wage to Progressor, You've done everything you could by going to desegregated schools? I realize that for a southerner, that's a big deal, but for the rest of us? Not so much."

Outstanding repartee Wage.

SNAFU

"The whole yahweh-damned country is being overrun by jeshua-damned LEGAL immigrants and that will destroy all life on Planet Earth, according to ProCon (he's the comedian)" -asoka.-

If you guys think I'm funny, then BustinJ is freakin'-bustin'-a-gut HILARIOUS!!! He does planetary death due to overconsumption a hellofawholelot FUNNIER than I do!

"Methane as a motor fuel only perpetuates and accelerates clusterfuckation of the world's life-support systems. Its use is the canary in the coal mine, screaming that we are backsliding. we are too fucking stupid to see the forest for the trees, with our slick alt-fuel websites and bootstrap-propaganda."
-bustinJ, on an optimistic day-

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Also, it's very interesting that asoka. spent several posts shilling for the CNF industry as the next great thing to propel Happy Motoring in South America, and then in the World.

This during the same afternoon that asoka. is posting about the news crew arrested at the capitol today because the Republicans/Corporate Democrats didn't like them reporting on how fracking was being used inside the US.

Purpose of fracking, you ask?
It is to free enough methane (NG), that can then be compressed into CNG, to then power the Happy Motoring lifestyle in the US for a few more years of unsustainable population growth.

Whee.

"...shilling for the CNF industry as the next great thing to propel Happy Motoring..." -p2c-

OK, who catches the mistaken acronym up there?
While the Compressed Natural F*ck industry does have great potential as a theoretical concept -

It was supposed to be "CNG."
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and while I'm burning bandwidth on a clear channel:

"Outstanding repartee Wage."
-SNAFU-

I concur about that, SNAFU.
Even though I'm right and she's wrong, of course.
haha hoho hehe

So, what are you saying? You believe that this will be an exploitable energy source? Or another grail to be pursued in vain, while the little time we may have left to change our ways is frittered away on more of the same that has brought us to the brink of collapse?

The warming of the oceans, and the loss of the polar caps, will probably release this ice-bound bonanza into the atmosphere and accelerate the carbon-driven warming of said atmosphere.

Extracting such a volatile resource in the violent arctic climate will be an interesting challenge. The more ice we remove/process, the faster the rate of atmospheric release. I do not see it as anything but a cruel tease. Burning ice, barbecued bears...

Extraction of those deposits in the deep sea does not look so promising either. EROEI and all that.

That genie is in a jar for a reason. Open it at your peril, and mine. It is kinda interesting, but I personally have little stake in the future.

Hope I'm wrong. I often am. I think about these things as I walk to work, and my neighbors in their SUV's pass me one by one, talking on their cell phones to children they hardly know, on their way to jobs they hate, to finance lives they don't even live.

Q, this news shakes me to the core,
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Yeah, I'm sure... and I didn't even tell you the really juicy stuff, the stuff that Vlad will be creaming his jeans over...

..turns out these scientists were lead to another cave in the heart of present-day Germany and the DNA in the ancient human remains indicate the people were very white with reddish-blond hair and (male) penises that reached on average to two inches above the knee.

They had developed a system of mathematics including an understanding of pi, the golden ratio, and a method for determining the square roots of negative numbers. Wall paintings portrayed large breasted females washing the feet of males. Almost without exception these females were shoeless and pregnant.

Sudden adverse weather changes caused these people to flee southward. They split into two tribes based primarily on dietary considerations. The first group (those with a penchant for fried poultry) passed through Spain to Gibraltar where they crossed the narrow passage into the warmth of Africa. As millennia passed, and being close to the Earth's equator, their bodies evolved toward the production of more and more melanin and their skin darkened. As their skin became darker the volume of their cranial cavities lessened causing their hair to curl and they simultaneously began to lose the amazing scientific and other knowledge that they had somehow acquired in Europe and became dumber and dumber.

The second tribe (who, apparently for religious reasons, made a point of eating fish on the 6th day of every 7 day period) passed through Italy, across Sicily and the Mediterranean into North Africa, ultimately settling in present day Egypt where much later their descendants would build the pyramids. As they approached the equator someone fortuitously invented a white umbrella-like device which they employed continuously to shade themselves from the sun since, unlike the other tribe, they had quickly recognized the direct correlation of dark skin with low IQ. (Note: their term for IQ was GS or "genetic smarts.")

The study published in the Journal Science by the David Duke School of Anthropology (Poedunk, Arkansas Campus) explains how all this was determined starting from the DNA in the 40,000-year-old pinky in Siberia.
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I think about these things as I walk to work, and my neighbors in their SUV's pass me one by one, talking on their cell phones to children they hardly know, on their way to jobs they hate, to finance lives they don't even live.

Beautiful, and trenchant, shecky. Thanks for that.

asoka mentions "Ever heard of dual fuel vehicles?"

Sure. Its a compromise. Dual fuel vehicles are, in some ways, the worst of both worlds, since you have each system lugging the other around. One has to get out of the way of the other. CNG conversions are layered on top of the liquid fuel system. That means a whole pile of parts and pieces that must do a funky about-face whenever you switch tanks. This is achieved relatively smoothly with the highly engineered parts. But things break...

So the engine is designed for one, not the other. Say you switch from gasoline to methane. You have to change spark timing, mixture, switch a fuel pump off, open the methane valve, and etc...

But these vehicles with their dual-fuel are nearly unknown. The reason is that it makes no sense to run both. Think about it. What do you want with an extra CNG tank and system? A marginal savings (claimed) on fuel against a very large upfront cost?

You want more fuel on board, for what? More range? Why not add another gasoline tank? That is much cheaper in the short run, and in most long runs. Of course, there is the drawback of having to carry around an extra fuel tank and fuel which hits your mileage.

I'm not saying its not done. Taxis that drive 30,000 miles a year and want in the HOV lane, or a state-specific tax break. It CAN burn cleaner than regular IF the whole system is designed for it. So major-milers that would otherwise pollute.

I'd rather ride my bike next to a CNG powered bus than any diesel or gasoline combo.

Your smug, smirking tone reveals a little bit of self-hatred, Asoka. You're a half-breed if I read correctly and you may be so hostile to whites because you can never quite measure up in a lot of ways. Then again, you can't really be accepted by either.

Even in the U.S. culture that's coming in the future you will be still be low, lower still, on the totem pole. Because Hispanics will be the majority and their cultures always shove half-blacks/blacks to the bottom. Cream still rises to the top.

At least I may get to see people like you and certain truly despicable 'whites' like Metuselah devalued, and maybe finally treated as the traitors they are. That will be the one thing worth it. So keep gloating, it won't be easier for you in the new demographic.

So keep gloating, it won't be easier for you in the new demographic.

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Where you been, Tark? You haven't noticed any change in the demographic recently? It's already easier for me. I can afford to be a little uppity, what with having one of my kind as president and all. Whites will soon be the minority and their run is over. Things are better for me every year. I am fluent in Spanish and get along fine with my Hispanic neighbors, good people ... even got soul.

'Way back in the 1960s' Tim Leary asked Swami Satchidananda and Meher Baba to endorse
'GOD IN A PILL'..They declined.
MB dictated an essay 'God in a Pill?', very good
read.
The natives speak of Gods Flesh [peyote or shrooms]
not the Sages.

The tribe of Gad were Israelites, not jews, as you well know.

or because they think that the monetary value of such torture devices will appreciate. Sick obtuse bastards!
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Yeah, I saw this the first time you posted it a week or so ago but I was on hiatus from replying. What I was dying to say, however, was "Talk about SICK, who the hell makes their third trip to Cambodia to re-visit a torture center. You maybe should make three trips to a shrink. Just sayin.

SNOW?

Snow has been missing in action for much of the U.S. the last couple months. But it's not just snow. It's practically the season that's gone AWOL.

"What winter?" asked Mike Halpert, deputy director of the National Weather Service's Climate Prediction Center. For the Lower 48, January was the third-least snowy on record, according to the Global Snow Lab at Rutgers University. Records for the amount of ground covered by snow go back to 1967.

Last year, more than half the nation was covered in snow as a Groundhog Day blizzard barreled across the country, killing 36 people and causing $1.8 billion in damage. This year, less than a fifth of the country outside of Alaska has snow on the ground.

Bismarck, N.D., has had one-fifth its normal snow, Boston a third. Buffalo is three feet below normal for snowfall this year. Midland, Texas, has had more snow this season than Minneapolis or Chicago.

Forget snow. For much of the country there's not even a nip in the air. On Tuesday, the last day in January, all but a handful of states had temperatures in the 50s or higher. In the nation's capital, where temperatures flirted with the 70s, some cherry trees are alread

Where I live we're looking at 12 inches by Friday. Or should

Where I live it's 58 daytime, but 28 nighttime.

That's the desert temperature swing that makes adobe bricks function so well, absorbing solar energy in the day and releasing heat in the night.

OK, dale, watched it. Thanks for the recommendation.

I find myself agreeing with Patricio the shaman who emphasized the importance of "set and setting"

Personally, I don't think people should be taking ayahuasca outside of the Amazon jungle setting where an experienced and trusted shaman can lead someone through the experience. Too many Whites (usually of the "New Age" variety) have taken ayahuasca out of its setting and are commercializing it.

I'll stick with simple vipassana.

No...the first time that I visited Tuol Sleng I visited the museum alone.

The second and third times that I visited Tuol Sleng I accompanied friends who wanted to see it for themselves.

I think that it is fascinating that people experience reality differently depending upon their respective personalities. Some people visit Tuol Sleng and don't really see anything. I mean to say that they, of course, see the walls, the buildings, the prison cells, the torture devices, but they have no reaction to it. Others, such as myself, experience intense nightmares shortly thereafter their first visit. In contrast, some powerful and rich people, it seems, find a certain allure in the sadistic, macabre of Tuol Sleng and seek to covet its instruments of torture and place them in their personal collections.

Interview with HALTO Founder

HALTO is Hispanics Against Liberal Takeover who favors "self-deportation" and also sought to outlaw the Macarena and Linda Ronstadt’s music.

Romney has taken up HALTO's cause and promotes "self-deportation"

In the interview the HALTO founder, Daniel D. Portado, called for the deportation of Linda Rondstadt, whose bad ranchera cover music was attracting too many Mexican illegals to America.

Daniel D. Portado also demanded that Mexican food be declared a “biological weapon.”

NT: Why is self-deportation important?

DDP: We have to get rid of all these illegals crowding our country to make room for Americans. Look at how fat they are getting! We need much free space around the girthy Americans, go to any Walmart and see for yourself. I can barely get through the snack aisle, it’s like Jungle Safari — the part with the hippos.

Self-deportation celebrates the American spirit of stick-to-it-ness, and get-out-of-here-ness. Americans are frankly too lazy to get up off the couch to chase the illegals out, so why can’t they just do it for us?

NT: Have you spoken to the Romney camp about self-deportation?

DDP: Yes, I went to Camp Mormonhead for a hunting trip, I mentioned self-deportation to him, and the rest is history.

NT: How does your definition of self deportation differ from that of Romney’s?

DDP: Mitt Romney hopes immigrants will eventually self-deport back to their respective countries. I, on the other hand, demand that illegal immigrants self-deport immediately! And as to where they should go, I would send the Chinese to Mexico, I really don’t care.

NT: Will you endorse him for president?

DDP: Of course, as soon as the check clears.

NT: Take us through a day in the life of a typical self-deportationist.

DDP: Well, I wake up in the morning, pack my bags and then self-deport. Unfortunately, I love America sooo much, I usually sneak back in to the U.S. by lunchtime, and get to work backing whichever Republican candidate I am working for. I also lobby for anti-immigrant laws all over the South and in the Alabama of the West — Arizona.

NT: Do you hate yourself?

DDP: I hate illegals. And yes, I do not have my papers.

NT: Do you have any other issues besides this one? What about English only?

DDP: Yes, I think all illegals should speak English only while they are in Mexico, just to make their lives even harder once they leave the U.S.

REPUBLICAN BIG GOVERNMENT PROBING BODIES

Virginia state Senator Janet Howell responded to another one of these stupid bills requiring women seeking an abortion to first undergo a medically pointless ultrasound with a very smart amendment: every man seeking treatment for erectile dysfunction would also by law have to undergo a rectal exam and heart test to get a Viagra prescription. This way, everyone can enjoy the experience of having their nether parts unnecessarily prodded by the cold, uncomfortable indifference of lawmakers’ whims equally. Fair’s fair!


That was one of the lamest attempts at parody I've ever seen on a public blog. And, like most lameness, has elements of total falsehood embedded in it ... like the implication that whites are fat while Hispanics are not. Anybody who lives, as I do, in an area with a large Hispanic population, can see that adult Hispanics are every last bit as fat as Caucasians.

The "bite" of good parody comes from its piercing TRUTH and your ridiculous fake "interview" with Mister "Deportado" (wonder who caught that ridiculously loud, groaning pun?) lacks that, it isn't funny, and it's generally artless. I mean, if there WAS a "HALTO" organization, it might have something of a premise. So you proceed from a made-up premise to lousy humor that isn't funny like the Linda Ronstadt bit.

Wow. I'm glad we don't really have an ongoing dialog here after witnessing this grade D bit of "humor" you attempted. Keep your day job, Asoka.


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Anti Soak said:
Forget snow. For much of the country there's not even a nip in the air. On Tuesday, the last day in January, all but a handful of states had temperatures in the 50s or higher. In the nation's capital, where temperatures flirted with the 70s, some cherry trees are already
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It's been a surreal winter both for temperature and precipitation. Philadelphia was 67 degrees today and was 71 degrees sometime last week. In California, we have the prospect of EXTREME drought since the entire state from San Francisco to the Mexican border has had 1-2 inches (under 1 inch in So. Cal.) at most since December 1 and about 80% of our rain falls from Dec. 1 to March 31.

The Western two-thirds of the US has had a severe dearth of rain and/or snow so far this Winter and there's no end in sight. Any way you slice it, this is one of the most anomalous winters in the last century. It's rare that both temperature AND precipitation are jointly anomalous. That's the case this year.


E.

The tribe of Gad were Israelites, not jews, as you well know.
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The tribes Israel, including the tribe of Gad, were Jews in their religion. As Judaism "evolved", many Israelites (Samarians, the Karaties, etc) rejected the new customs and codes (as do I, btw). But they thought of themselves as kin to the Jewish people and the Jewish people thought of them as kin to them. In Israel today, the Samarians consider themselves (and are recognized) as Jews. Same for the other tribes who have returned to Israel (See: Quest For The Lost Tribes by Simcha Jacobovici). We are one people.

Kansas business groups are calling for undocumented immigrants to be able to remain in Kansas if they work in jobs in agriculture and other industries that are struggling through labor shortages.

The Kansas agriculture secretary has acknowledged having several conversations with federal homeland security officials about potential labor shortages.

The coalition pushing the new program includes agriculture groups with memberships that traditionally lean toward the GOP, as well as the Kansas Chamber of Commerce, another stalwart supporter of conservative Republicans.

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And Procon and Antisoak keep saying illegals are "taking jobs from Americans"

If Americans need jobs, why is there a labor shortage. Why is Kansas fighting to keep undocumented workers?


Well, at least you skipped the lame humor on the Kansas post. The answer to your question is simple: Horrible multinational agribusiness companies like CPC International and ADM don't want to pay a living wage.

Remember, worldwide, whether we are talking about migrant laborers, auto workers, or wafer fab workers, these multinational corporations pit people against each other in a "race to the bottom" i.e., to see who is willing to live in a 5-per-room hovel, who is willing to work without fringe benefits, etc..

This issue has nothing to do with ethnicity at all. It's entirely about MONEY. If Albania was next to the USA, then we'd be talking about Albanians instead of Mexicans.

Americans, and rightly so, don't want to work for five dollars an hour or live in conditions which would represent the undoing of an advancement in their way of life since the agrarian 1920s. We're no more "spoiled" than the Europeans or the Japanese in this sense.

Most farm laborers work on farms for large agribusiness and the CEOs here and abroad in their foreign headquarters don't give a fig who they're exploiting. If a multi-national CEO (a.k.a. a "globalist") is of ethnicity X, you can bet your bottom dollar they'd take advantage of their own ethnic group if it meant an extra 3 cents a share on the bottom line every quarter.

We're talking about greed on a scale that makes Ebenezer Scrooge look like Santa Claus.


E.

I didn't realize that my comment posted from Angkor Wat (Siem Reap) re: Tuol Sleng was actually posted last week. I thought that it had been blocked. Sorry about the re-post this week.

In any event, I think that LBendet's comment last week is on point: The rich and powerful are a DEATH CULT. They're going to kill us all!

Warren Edward Pollock interviews James Howard Kunstler (Feb 1, 2012)
- http://youtu.be/dcNUHqOm-8g

Electronic voting booth anomalies (as of 2005, something I investigated):

Chuck Hagel was CEO of ES&S electronic voting booth corporation from 1990-1995, and chairman of the board in 1996. In 1996, 80% of the Nebraska vote was cast using ES&S voting booths. Miraculously, that same state and year, Chuck was elected as the first republican in 24 years (re-elected in 2002).

Republican Saxby Chambliss upset win in 2002, as a result of the Diebold rob_georgia.zip last-minute FLASH update of all voting booths, over dial-up internet access...

Have they improved any of the security issues that have been detailed over the past decade? Are they still using crappy code that allows negative vote tallys? Has a paper-trail (or some other means) been added for recounts? Is any sort of encryption WHATSOEVER being used YET?!?

What a fucking joke. For less than $100 million dollars, 7 years ago, they could have had a totally bulletproof, untamperable system using public key encryption access over the internet, for every voter - which allowed voters to verify their own votes later, and tallyers to recount without being able to see who voted for whom. It's obvious they want it to be as kludge as possible - allows them easy access to vote fraud/rigging.

LOL, deja-vu. Frack til you poison every last river and aquifer! Have you taken a look at how they do the tar sands in Alberta? They simply clearcut the forests, then bulldoze the topsoil off to get to the tar (right on both sides of a major river - silting anyone?)...

I loved that dog-slide video on your page - I was busting on that. Some crazy-@$$ mutts! I however couldn't find the link to the entabulator response to the SotU...

I just put it out there to see what you had to say about it. Theoretically it is exploitable. More likely though it'll just evaporate into the atmosphere to accelerate global warming to cook the planet so we end up with a climate more like Venus than Mars. Remote viewers from the Army's Operation Grill Flame at Fort Meade, Maryland claimed that they saw the human race living underneath bubbles at some point in the future after the surface of this planet became uninhabitable for us. So it's not a good thing if we prove capable of tapping ever more remote sources of fossil fuels. Our ideal source of energy would probably be solar. Extreme pessimism is probably justified though.


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177939

Amplify Random

Nature alone does create random, quirk, details, fluke details and chaos, turbulence and such. But by creating Free Will Decision Points flung upon the sea of random (through Man Brains and similar structures and Interactors) it can create even more Random it can amplify and and create even more hard to predict and patternize details and noise: so many individual and independent logical segments interacting (sometimes ? every now and then ? always etc.?) and colliding, each with their own special mental model or assumed mental model of the world and what their goals are (or sometimes as just an instant reaction in an action reaction circuit ? or sometimes deeply meditated and pondered upon (maybe for years just for one small Decision Point ?)) as in opposition and sometimes as in contribution and accumulation and all the intermediate mixes create a strange mix of random and pattern, strange artificially higher randomized configurations of Matter: as if Matter needs free will decision points to create even more contorted patterns, just look at all the details (cracks on the walls, designs, pebbles on the street, etc.) in building in cities as a result of the forces of random and people, etc.

E.

As to Asoka's D. Portado post.

It seems A. was watching Rachel Maddow last night, as was I and she spent a rather long time discussing this parody stemming from
California Proposition 187 (1994) and Gov. Wilson.

This guy was making fun of the notion of Mexican illegals first having to go back to Mex before getting entrance back into the US, so he got into character and made up a group of willing Mexicans for their own deportation.

Many of Asoka's interview were discussed in the segment.
See:

http://pocho.com/daniel-d-portado-tells-rachel-maddow-about-self-deportation/

"Every gas engine built by the majors is like a yawning stomach, an iron metabolism waiting to convert ancient sunlight to carbon dioxide. "

Suck it up Busty: it is just Carbon Chemistry, nothing hard or fancy, alternatives to gasoline will come sooner or later, don't worry. And stop being against Progress. And then with removable battery packs in electric cars, that could be a solution too. And then with many skyscrapers having stores and offices and plants and whatever on many different levels, you don't even need a car, just an elevator to move people. And then the very market itself will take care of it gradually, if gas starts costing more Man will adapt, first smaller cars, then smaller living areas, and many many other solutions, etc.

You are just in love with your mental model, with your idea, just like JHK and other gloomsters and doomster that there are no solutions, that we are doomed, that nothing will be possible etc.

And I agree, technology has peaked in the sense that most large scale game changing inventions and applications are now here, not many new technologies will come on line anymore: but we can optimize them and especially change how life is organized (like in Skyscrapers instead of highways, like on Mars and such), we will adapt and go forward.

And stick a V8 engine in your brain, maybe you will learn something...

TOBOR AN APE


I sent this to Gerald Celente yesterday:

Corzine-the Untouchable?

I got my "Mitts" on the Financial Times Companies and Markets section today to see Corzine's mug on the cover.

Tomorrow there will be a congressional hearing where Michael Stockman MF Global's chief risk officer will testify that he had warned on several occasions that the huge $6.3 Billion proprietary bet on Europe's debt was too risky. He will also say that up until the end of the summer the bets looked to be acceptable. At that point they were in the $4 billion range, but then they started to deteriorate. The bets went up to $6 billion and just as it was too late the board of directors tried to act on it but it was too late.

Of course he has no knowledge of the $1.2 Billion in customer's funds that disappeared as if in a magic puff of smoke….Now who's going to tell us how that happened?

Making Mr. Right cont.

Willard the Transformer
Oh everyone for the last 24 hrs have been weighing in on the Romney's comments about not caring abou the very poor or the very rich.

Yes, as Willard has transformed into a conservative Republican, some wires seemed to get crossed and he went full tilt with these comments.

Well, it would seem that you just can't take the liberal out of the Romney, but is this just a spin?

My, my my head is spinning. Who is this guy anyway?

One commenter last night put this thing in it's real context. He says he will implement Ryan's plan for deficit reduction and what would that be? Taking the meat cleavers to all the social safety nets that the very poor depend on. So inistead of plugging the holes in the nets, he will slash them more...

As for the very rich, Oh, they're just fine and don't need any of his help. Well, he wants to slash their taxes even more.

This guy needs to go back to the Republican robot chop shop and get his head re-tooled.

"What a fucking joke. For less than $100 million dollars, 7 years ago, they could have had a totally bulletproof, untamperable system using public key encryption access over the internet, for every voter - which allowed voters to verify their own votes later, and tallyers to recount without being able to see who voted for whom. It's obvious they want it to be as kludge as possible - allows them easy access to vote fraud/rigging." -Ix

Interesting that the APPEARANCE of "free and fair elections" is still maintained when there is very little evidence that it exists. But, as we've seen, the Oligarchs are extry careful about the veneer of legitimacy and "mandates" of the voters. "Hey, youse ijits voted these creeps into office; whadaya bitchin' about?" The time looks ripe for the installation of further tyranny and oppression via "the peeples choice". Count on it.

And personally, I don't care if it takes MONTHS, and however many recounts you wanna count to tote up those hand-scratched paper ballots to determine the will-o-the-peeple. I say let's really find out how stump-ass stupid [or not] the citizenry is! What's the big secret? ;o)

"In this particular winter of our discontent, the wispiest nostrums and baldest lies will do. America is not interested in reality." -JHK

Yeah... like that... what HE said.

"I have no doubt but that I am one of the Seven Samurai too."

Oh, I thought it was one of the Seven Mental Dwarfs.

Better duck,theres a seagull flying over head.

;)

P.S., I have to disagree that I am one of the so-called "spewers of hate" here, such as Vlad, et al.

I like to use humor & sarcasm to reply to his hate.

Sorry if you don't get it, you must be the other Mental Dwarfs.....

;) HAVEANICEDAYNOW.

OK, dale, watched it. Thanks for the recommendation.

I find myself agreeing with Patricio the shaman who emphasized the importance of "set and setting"
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I agree...I find it very interesting however.

Amplify Random

Nature alone does create random, quirk, details, fluke details and chaos, turbulence and such. But by creating Free Will Decision Points flung upon the sea of random (through Man Brains and similar structures and Interactors) it can create even more Random it can amplify and create even more hard to predict and patternize details and noise: so many individual and independent logical segments interacting (sometimes ? every now and then ? always etc.?) and colliding, each with their own special mental model or assumed mental model of the world and what their goals are (or sometimes as just an instant reaction in an action reaction circuit ? or sometimes deeply meditated and pondered upon (maybe for years just for one small Decision Point ?)) as in opposition and sometimes as in contribution and accumulation and all the intermediate mixes create a strange mix of random and pattern, strange artificially higher randomized configurations of Matter: as if Matter needs free will decision points to create even more contorted patterns, just look at all the details (cracks on the walls, designs, pebbles on the street, etc.) in buildings in cities as a result of the forces of random and people, etc.

AN EGGMAN

"It could be argued, of course that our governments are a vast unanimously right-wing coalition, but that doesn't preclude subordinate conspiracies one iota." -Wilson Pickett

I absolutely agree. While the right hand may not always know what the left hand is doing; it tends to all be in service to the "global agenda" of rapacious (and ultimately, suicidal) extraction for the benefit of a tiny few. I'm of the opinion that this will engender more completely disenfranchised persons who no longer have a fear of death to turn their minds to the cold topic of revenge. 'Twas ever thus.

A choice between service to the Masters [of "disappearance"] or throwing a tiny wishbone to a skulking, murderous populace... Jeebus, what's a politician, technocrat, bureaucrat, or military gov't-teat-sucker to do?

Cheerio BTW, doubt that I'll be around here much for a good long while. Conversations increasingly just don't interest me. have fun.

Germane to self-jiving.

"Wrong. I'm not "under the radar""

You are totally under the tax (burden) radar. You owe no tax, so you don't show up on tax debt radar!!!

I did that for about a decade. I never owed a cent to the feds, after the two years in '98/99 that I payed 6 figure taxes (gotta love AMT). I finally managed to get my AMT "carryover credits" (~$38k) back after 9 years (I actually thought I'd never get it back). However, I have always owed a couple $hundred$ to the state, and ~$3 grand for property taxes, every year.

The past two years, I slowly but surely cashed out my IRA (4 more years to go) into I-Bonds and credit union CD's, ending up at a total fed+state tax rate of 17.8% ($35K total dividends/interest/401k withdrawal - 12.2% fed, 5.6% state [state caps at 9%]). I really can't complain, as that also includes the 10% immediate penalty on withdrawal before old-age *FOGEY* (60? 70?!...).

Had I worked the same job the past 14 years, I'd prolly have 10x+++ the assets I do now, and I'd be pulling $80k+ a year in dividends *ALONE*. Sh!t, I'd be like Mitt, lowballing $400k in lecture salary. Why did I quit, again?!...

Hahaha, oh I remember now - because at first I believed what I was doing was going to solve problems (computer microprocessors modeling climate change/etc) - but then I realized they were just 6-12 month usable items, that ended up in landfills at exponential growth rates. Just like the rest of the capitalistic sh!t - exponential out-of-control consumption/depletion of natural resources.

After taking classes in business administration, I learned that a business can be run, that generates "*0* profit". And it can be run indefinitely, infinitely. The "*0* profit" business pays all costs - factory/utility/salary/materials, and provides a *REAL* product at the SAME TIME - $$$INFINITELY$$$. However, once there's profit, above and beyond the total COGS, it can be taxed!!! ***OH NOES*** JOB CREATORS BEWARE!!! I jest, of course (read between the lines, maroons).

Poor Q and PoC/P2C. They died the death of 1,000 cuts. They knew they were too vested, yet they still feed from the trough. They are too old, or close-minded, to ever accept that their profits lead to others' demise. It's unfortunate, that. I still don't understand it myself, but maybe when I hit 50 in 5 years I'll be just as much of a curmudgeon...

"On the other hand, your longing for the by-gone days of duels inevitably leads to might makes right dynamic. And that dynamic is pregnant with endless opportunity for the bad guys." -Buck

Well, (the rest of youses) guess whose utopian vision that might encapsulate? This would be slyly jiving the masses into submission with "field-of-honor" jive, from cammy-jammy jive artistes.

LOL!
Fine bit of research and archaeological perspicacity, Q.!

(Okay, it might be jive, but, in context, it's FUNNY jive. ;o)

Howdy Ozone, Dale, Dee, lbendet, and the rest of you clusterfuckers! Just wanted to drop off the link to my latest blog post, which is a reminder to join me in Columbus, GA, in 3 weeks for the annual Georgia Organics conference. We're in a big transitional stretch right now, moving our operations from the collaborative family farm project in south Georgia to our own place - hopefully our home for good - in the north Georgia mountains. We won't have internet access at the new place (hell, we won't have running water at first), but I'm going to attempt to keep blogging about our natural building project over the next few years, as our permaculture shifts focus slightly toward the hardscape of our new system. Our first building will be a passive solar hybrid straw bale-cob workshop at the very top of the property to serve as the nerve center of the homestead. Water collection/passive heating, graywater cycling, and the only electricity (a tiny PV array) onsite will be part of this structure, where my family will live while the 4 of us settle into our new market routine and build our cob cottage together.

http://www.smallbatchgarden.blogspot.com/

Hope everyone is well.
Tripp

Ah! Addressing the self-jive of the "psychology of previous investment" (tm JHK). Very good.

*beeeeeep* -end transmission-

Wanna know what's seriously IRONIC? Really - do you? Cause if you do, I might tell you!!!

BWAHAHAHA!!!

OK sorry, mental lapse there, early morning and all, no coffee for 5 months... It's seriously ironic that you can protest the health insurance industries, which have been raising their premiums 10-20% every year for the last decade, by simply not *BUYING THEIR SHIT*...

OOPS!!! Guess what - we are going to be required to *BUY THEIR SHIT*, very soon (1 or 2 years?)...

Quite Ironic, if I don't say so , myself!

What I find even *MORE IRONIC* is that they always talks the sh!t about emergency room costs. I know many folks who have walked into hospitals, over the past 10 years, and received "emergency" treatment. Every single one of them got a bill from the hospital. And the few who didn't pay, got hounded by collection agencies.

WHO IS THE FUCKING MORON CLAIMING TAXPAYERS PAY FOR EMERGENCY ROOM PATIENTS?!?

Thanks, Tripp

What would be amazing is if you could do a youtube spot that I can direct my friends who are urban farmers or farmers in upstate NY and Maine.

They would love it and I'd love to watch too.

I'm sure my presentation will be recorded. I'll certainly post it on my blog in its entirety, and if I can cut out a few of the more coherent;) segments for YouTube spots, I'll post them there, too. Thanks for the encouragement!

Tripp,
Thanks for the update; will check in!
All the Bestest with your projects...

Ps. One tip? Take a direct (hardwire) feed from the sound-board into the camera for some decent audio for a change! If that means placing the board nearer the back of the room, so be it; this is the way we get sound clarity: direct feed.
Ummmmm... hoping mics will be used. ;o)

*****end of recommendation*********

Gret Tripp
Looking forward to seeing it! (and passing it along)

I'm sorry Vlad, but as far as incorporating 'duels' into a society of laws, well, that's just another one of your infantile musings braided with loophole after loophole of self-serving absurdity.

We should probably grow up(myself included;I responded to your post after all)and leave the silly past alone and between the covers of a book where it belongs.

I knew you would make me LAUGH MY ASS OFF. Again.

Thankyou.

And I was going to ask you how are things in Noo Yawk.

Does it cost a nominal egg ("an arm and a leg" to you non Noo Yawk people) to live there?

LB,
Off-topic, but deep and dark as the Marianas trench from Dr. Phil R., entitled "A Journey to the End of Empire":

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30414.htm

Couple slices for those link-no-go-ers...

"...to those who demand this of poets: that all ideas, notions, flights of imagination, revelries, swoons of intuition, Rabelaisian rancor, metaphysical overreach, unnerving apprehensions, and inspired misapprehensions be tamed, rendered practical, and only considered fit to be broached in reputable company when these things bring "concrete" answers to polite dialog--I ask you this, if the defining aspects of our existence were constructed of concrete, would not the world be made of the material of a prison?"

The Totalitarian's wet-dream.
And this:

"As exhibited by the often bland, "normal" outward appearance of a serial killer, when the apologists and operatives of an exploitive, destructive system appear to be reasonable, they can go about their business without creating general alarm. By the same token, while many present day Republicans are zealots--barnburners raving into the flames of the conflagrations created by the militarist/national security/police/prison industrial state--Barack Obama and the Democratic Party serve as normalizers of the pathologies of late empire.

In this manner, atrocious acts can be committed by the state, with increasing frequency, because, over the passage of time, such outrages will have been allowed to pass into the realm of the mundane, and are thus bestowed with a patina of acceptability."

Ouch! Goes for more than party-line Goopers and Demos, in these benighted days of the unending eclipse. "The Folks" are desperate for s'kure'dy above all, and all ELSE be damned. Careful what you wish for...

(Sorry for the long post.)

I seem to remember that JPMorgan got their mitts on that 1.2 billion in customer dough.

Maybe they figured that possession being nine tenths that they'd take a chance at scoffing it.

I mean a billion here, a billion there, pretty soon you're talking real money.

I read Jocelyn Elder's autobiography. She is my heroine for saying that horny teenagers deprived of sexual partners should masturbate. Right wingers screamed and Bill Clinton promptly fired her.

One interesting thing about her and her family.

Her brother, an educated, talented man, was murdered by a low life.

The entire family refused to go along with vengeance, saying that they were opposed to the death penalty. They supported life in prison, instead.

"psychology of previous investment"

I just wanted to challenge the 6-fig stalkaz ('sif they didn't nail my IP address immediately). A puzzle, of sorts. Who was it, that payed $200K+ in fed taxes, in 1998/1999? Who was it, that had an "ALTERNATIVE MINIMUM TAX carryover credit" of $38K? I knew they had my ass by the IP, but I joshed them with my puzzle...

Has anyone seen what they're doing in Boston, laying a new interstate *UNDER* the city? I caught some of it - 17 years into the project, 20 more years to go, 5+ years behind projections, $billions$ over the original bid, and ***VERY NARROW LANES*** (3 lanes tops, from what I saw). Now there's some *PREVIOUS INVESTMENT* (tm JHK) for U to ponder...

Talk about pulling things out of your hat!

I'm from LA, remember? And high speed chases were not allowed.

But you've already stated very clearly that you don't think that privileged people should have to follow the law.

Bankers can loot. Police can speed and assault people.

Just keep those black people away from you. You've done enough! And you're using asoka as your sock puppet, although you've said before that you don't think he's black.

So you don't think he's black, but you're using his words as representative of black people. Nice.

I ran across a real black person's words on payment. Check it out.

http://www.readersupportednews.org/news-section2/316-20/9746-a-letter-from-a-former-slave


More Double-Speak From Mister Bernanke
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Old Helicopter Ben is telling the Congress to be mindful of the debt ... but don't cut TOO much now. It's okay to run trillion dollar annual deficits for a few more years, Uncle Ben avers.

Remember the price of oil during the TARP era in 2008? It was $38 a barrel. Check it out. Bernanke is inflating the speculative sector of the economy (commodities, stocks) while consumer economic health numbers are essentially unchanged to worse.

Can't this guy do ARITHMETIC? If people ain't making mo' money and the largest percentage of the population in TWENTY-EIGHT YEARS ain't in the workforce, and it costs more to buy food, heat your house, gas up your car, and insure your family ... how does he get away with this idea that perpetual stimulus WORKS?

The ONLY economic thinker with a positive idea is Nouriel Roubini whose thinking is basically that we might as well engage in a "Manhattan Project" on American infrastructure. Sure, the debts will be staggering but at least we'll have a modern electric grid, modern urban plumbing, and lots of fixed bridges and levees. And all of those projects will employ people which will create revenues at all levels of government. A little pride will replace despair.

What amazes me most of all is that the few anti-Fed people in Congress are generally REPUBLICANS?? How can this be?? How can a bank that is destroying working people, discouraging saving and encouraging speculation, and keeping aloft the worst stewards of capital since Mississippi Company be immune from examination or reproach?

Write Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul to revitalize the vote on auditing the Fed. If we don't, we'll all be Chinese peasants in another ten years? Exaggeration? Well look how fast we got from the "Greatest Economy in the Universe" in 2000 to where we are now where people, towns, counties, states ... are all broke.
Something like six of the 50 states are solvent.

The Fed is "Patient Zero" in the greatest incurable "virus" ever spread.


E.

Good post Ozone and so true.

I'm not just attacking the Repugs, but they are so far out there, discussing the no competition transnational and bank-run markets as the free market--it's just too outrageous for words and their campaign is a flagrant steamrolling back past the 20th century--(no birth control too) it's hard to believe why anyone would vote for these guys--their message goes in 5 directions at once.

The Demos are working for the same global power mongers, but, yeah, they have a much more subtle approach. Either way you're screwed--the question is are you a tad less screwed by the Demos?

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Rhino, yeah JP Morgan Chase was first in line for MFGlobal funds. They needed to be paid back. What I was saying is what was the MECHANISM for taking client money and who who was instrumental in doing so (EXACTLY)?

So far our neo-royalty in this global kleptocracy Corzine looks untouchable.

You gotta recognize at a certain point that there is no national anymore, that's why nothing gets done here, it's all about the global economic system with the US/GB financial hegemony at the fore.

Which official storyline, Rhino?

There have been multiple storylines, some directly contradictory to others.

It took 7 years for NIST to come up with a report on WTC 7.

Does that inspire trust in their coherence?

I did answer your question as to why Arabs would sacrifice their lives for a cause. I say that they didn't.

You are apparently unable to process that.

And I still call you on using the racism card as irrelevant.

Nobody sacrificed their lives, in my opinion. Their lives were sacrificed by others, without their approval. And the reason was to enable the endless war and repression that we have seen for the last 10 years.

ummm, Wage?

"Los Angeles has become the world capital of police car chases, with more than 700 pursuits reported in the city last year, most of them offering hours of live television coverage."
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/02/27/1046064169270.html?oneclick=true

Referenced webpage is dated 2003.

Hi, SNAFU. I actually agree with you that most humans prefer a strongman. And that most humans accept whatever they are told, if told if an authoritative way.

I also know that Ron Paul is not in agreement with my opinions. However, of the Republicans, he's far and away the best. They're all right wing, hateful, nasty people. But Ron Paul stands against empire and for individual rights. That's why I want him to win the Republican nomination. I want Obama to face an anti-empire candidate in the debates.

It won't happen, of course. The voting machines are fixed and the plan is to have Obama seem like the voice of reason next to some raving Republican. I'm guessing that they won't let Jill Stein into the debates.

Then the two corporate candidates will try to outdo each other praising American freedom and democracy. Ha!

http://www.jillstein.org/

Wow! You've been busy working on your blog. It looks and reads great.

And thank you for linking to my blog. I'd better get busy adding to it!

A couple of days ago I got into a big argument on Facebook.

One of my right wing friends posted about how tough her life was, and how she was struggling... and how much she hated people on welfare who had it better!

Then a bunch of her friends chimed in. One was totally pissed off that people who had earned income credits took their tax refunds and bought big screen TVs.

So I pointed out that the 1% were doing a lot better than people on welfare, or people who earned so little that they got earned income refunds.

One person responded to me and said that, yes, she knew that the 1% made much more, but she still hated those people who go to WalMart and buy beer with their LINK cards.

Everyone else just ignored my posts, as if they were invisible, while they spewed their hate for those who make less money.

Don't they know that the 1% look at their $30,000/year the same way they look at the people making $15,000/year?

That they are scum to the rich, the way the poor are scum to them?

By the way, Democracy Now had an interview with Josh Fox, who got arrested yesterday for using his First Amendment rights. (That you linked to).

They showed the Democrat on the committee who objected. He referred to the handcuffing and arrest as "removal from the room".

Well. Is that what they will call it, when we are removed to detention camps?

Oh, yeah. That's traditional. Did they call the genocide of Native Americans "Indian Removal?"

They also had a segment on the attack on Planned Parenthood.

First force poor people to have kids, then scorn them for having kids that they can't afford.

It's a win-win situation for the right wing.

"After taking classes in business administration, I learned that a business can be run, that generates "*0* profit". And it can be run indefinitely, infinitely. The "*0* profit" business pays all costs - factory/utility/salary/materials, and provides a *REAL* product at the SAME TIME - $$$INFINITELY$$$."

Will this concept *EVER* sink in - or am I still Karl Marx CAPITAL'izing?!?

Why ?NOT? just run businesses to pay salaries and COGS? Why go the IPO/exponential profit route? I'm so sick, and so sad...

Oh I know, because we can make up bogus Credit Default Swaps (CDS), and Collateralized Debt Obligations (CDO). And puts/calls/shorts/etc... OK, *GOTCHA!* Where do I get my *HEALTH INSURANCE* again (from the same banksters/brokerage firms that will buy up all the facebook IPO stocks at 1X, and sell them the same day for 4-5X)...

You are so right, Ozone. They will conduct these farcical elections long after Americans have lost their ability to drive to the polling booths, or their electricity to watch the TV commercials.

And they'll use some of the last diesel to drive big trucks past the homeless camps, with blaring loudspeakers telling the huddled masses that they deserve their fate. Having voted for it, and all.

"But you've already stated very clearly that you don't think that privileged people should have to follow the law.
Bankers can loot. Police can speed and assault people."
-wage-

You are saying that because police speed and assault people, criminals should not be apprehended.
And you are saying that because Bankers loot, the rule of law should be suspended for all crimes, even violent crimes.

Come on, Wage. Two wrongs make a right? This isn't even kindergarten level logic.

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And check my 12:22 post. Maybe the LAPD pursuit policy was changed between 1992 and 2003 to be MORE liberal. That seems unlikely to me, but I'll wait for your proof of what the policy was in 1992.

Thank you, Ix.

I, too, am outraged by the claims that taxpayers pay for uninsured people who visit the emergency room.

That is a lie. That is not true. They are hounded for money, and the government doesn't pay for them. What's more, the uninsured pay higher prices, because the insurance companies bargain for discount rates with the hospital.

But, as we've pointed out before, if you repeat a lie often enough, people believe it.

Iran is building a nuclear weapon. Iran is building a nuclear weapon. Iran is building a nuclear weapon.

No, I'm saying that the law should apply equally to the rich and the poor.

And I'm saying that the rich cause more damage than the poor.

And I'm saying that the open lawlessness of the rich leads to more lawlessness among the poor, and that the poor should not be prosecuted while the rich go free.

And, as I recall, you simply asserted that it was legal for the police to conduct high speed chases in 1992.

It was legal for police to conduct high speed chases. It was legal for police to conduct high speed chases. etc.

Wage,

when I was in high school the big meme was the welfare queen. Yes, these folks on welfare tricked the social workers into thinking they had dozens of kids.

They would borrow kids from other families when the social worker came by and would get more money to cover their costs.

One wonders whether there was one case that got blown out of proportion into thousands of these cases, just like the red herring of voter fraud is used today.

Playing on jealousy of others who are getting special treatment is a good way to create divisions, so people can't build a coherent approach to their problems.

I always say that whatever the Repugs say about others is what they are doing and talking about dividing Americans---now listen to what they say, 'cause its a projection of their own agenda.

@ wage & rhino: have either of you ever googled 'loose change'? i looked it up recently; it was still available...it goes through point by point, and shows the interview with the guy who just previous to the attack had leased the buildings- he said, in discussing building 7, "we pulled it..." that is a term from demolition, referring to pulling the switch; which is a bald-faced admission of guilt...watch the video whether you already believe the official story or not; it is eye-opening...and if you add what has been learned since about the commission, and nano-particles of thermite, it presents a pretty powerful case for some kind of cover-up; if not outright conspiracy...i know some of you are allergic; i personally wouldn t put ANYthing past a govt that produced a bush, a dick, and a colin in power...i m just sayin'...

Nobody sacrificed their lives, in my opinion. Their lives were sacrificed by others, without their approval. - WL

So what are you saying, that the airliners were flown by remote control?

About the storyline: young Arab/Muslim men hijacked the airliners and flew them into buildings for the glory of Allah and the cause of Islam and to give Uncle Sam a good kick in the balls. Nothing all that complicated. This basic account fits into the context of world events wouldn't you say? It would be consistent with how hated the US was/is in the world and especially in the Muslim world. No?

BTW: Do you know any Muslims? Did you see their body language and demeanor in the days following 9/11? They saw it as a big score for Team Islam. Never mind their obligatory verbiage ie that it was deplorable, Islam is a religion of peace etc. To be fair many said it was deplorable BUT the US had it coming in spades... Did you see the exultation, the happiness? They were practically floating around in a state of bliss. And I know non Muslims that said the US had it coming...

I don't have medical insurance.

My husband cut his leg with a chainsaw a few years ago. I took him to the ER, but they were really busy and ignored us.

So, I found an empty room, triaged him, got a doctor to suture him, with me assisting, bandaged him up and took him home.

They charged us $850 for the visit, but, what REALLY pissed me off was that they charged us $350 for "nursing care".

I called and complained, since I was being charged for my own labor.

The person on the other end of the phone was unsympathetic, uncaring and unhelpful.

We had to pay the entire bill, including the $350 for what I did. And I was amazed that the hospital charged so much for my labor, since they certainly do not pay me anywhere near that price.

Yes, Phil's got it just right.

The Repubs get wilder and wilder, and more and more hateful, so that Obama looks like the rational one, as the security apparatus tightens around us, and the war machine rolls on.

CFT

Let's say that they "pulled it" as you say. And like you I would put very little past the gang that runs the show. After all they gutted the US economy for the sake of CEO bonuses, they invaded Iraq for who knows what reason (I don't buy that it was about oil, I think it was probably about showing whose dick is bigger)

The thing is those jets didn't fly themselves into those buildings. If it wasn't Arabs or Muslims that jacked those planes then who was it?

Because whoever did it died with the passengers and people in the buildings. How do you motivate those guys to sacrifice their own lives?

Actually, I hadn't seen that link when I answered you before.

But all your link proves is that the LAPD continues to risk people's lives by indulging in high speed chases.

It doesn't prove that it's legal.

I distinctly remember that outcry over dead bystanders led to a ban on high speed chases decades ago.

If the police are ignoring the law, well, what a surprise. That just proves my point.

As an example, all places have the Standard International buildings, boxes, midrises, suburb houses and such. But many cities have a structure where everyplace, every street or corner has a signature, is different from any other street or combination (in same city) as opposed to others that are very monotonous like London. Tokyo or Seoul or Paris have each place and street with a signature, London most places are the same style houses so very few signature.

WL

Just out of curiosity if you were Iranian living in the nasty neighborhood that Iranians live in what would you do?

Israel is nuclear armed, so is Paksitan, so is India, so is the USA. Syria took a stab at it and then Israel sent some jets...

Iran has a whole lotta oil. How do you defend it?

If you were Iranian would you feel you were under threat from the USA? And never mind the USA.

What about China? They've been as busy as bees building themselves a blue water navy. What do you suppose they'd use that capability for?

If I was Iranian I'd build me some nukes. R.F.N.

I swear, you must be my 70+ year-old match-made in heaven...

You and me, we're the same (ahahaha! Falling Down/Michael Douglas!)

Let's be fair - you're my grandmother! Or *something*. Who cares about this trivial shit?

Deep Secrets? Offshore tax havens reducing tax funds by 70%. Crooked CEO bastards in Nebraska in 1996 winning elections with their corporate ES&S voting booths./.

Hi Wagelaborer.
Yes it is ME.

maybe more upset than usual last week.

it's me tho.

i will check out your blog now.

i am not around that much. too busy with life
in general, caregiving for hubby. etc.

reading books is easier on my eyes. still love this site tho.

even tho the old gang is gone.
i also miss CASH and others.

:)

i personally wouldn t put ANYthing past a govt that produced a bush, a dick, and a colin in power...i m just sayin'...
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Heheh. So true.

THANK YOU for speaking up about Monsanta.
I read Vandava Shivas book years ago.

more control over us. it's all about control and $$$.

will read your blog later today, i went there and see it will take awhile.

JB

Iran has a whole lotta oil. How do you defend it?
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Iran has excellent natural defenses. Its mountainous geography makes it ideal for defense. There's no way either Pakistan or India can mount a land attack on Iran. Same regards China.

The big threat to Iran is/was Russia. But Russia can barely defend itself, let alone invade Iran.

The US is the only viable threat to Iran. And on this front, Iran can make it so expensive for the US, that it just doesn't make sense to use military force against Iran. The only option that's left for the US is economic warfare, with China being the real winner since it would benefit from lower Iranian oil prices.

Btw, having said all that, nuclear power is the most expensive option for generating electricity today. The only reason to build a nuclear power plant today is to be able to harvest material for nuclear weapons.

Yeah, Marlin and ctemple constantly berate progressives for supposedly showing contempt for the working class.

Ha! I guess they've never heard the contempt that right wing Republicans show for those less fortunate.

Yesterday, I went to work and three of the people on the Facebook thread were there. Two of them are Iraqi war veterans, and two of them are married to prison guards. I don't know about the third one, but there aren't a lot of other jobs around here.

Anyway, I was a little uncomfortable, because I knew that they read my comments, even if they ignored them.

But, one of them had me roaring with laughter pretty quickly, as she described the "cracker" she'd had earlier. Yep, nothing but contempt for the white woman on her 5th pregnancy, and her stupidity.

My favorite, she asked the woman if she was ever short of breath, and the woman answered, no, she shit regularly.

well, it is entirely possible that the planes did fly themselves, by remote control; or that arabs were involved, or that substitute planes- again, drones- were used...one thing i remember from the video is that the flight number, i think from pensylvania, showed up at a nasa installation...look, spend an hour watching loose change; all these questions and more are addressed...what i know personally is that when i watched those buildings fall, at 9.8 m/s/s, after rows of explosions puffed out the sides, i was watching a demolition occur...incontrovertable, undeniable, and it doesn t matter to me what happened prior: whether it was arabs or martians, it was a deliberate implosion that could not have happened without weeks or months of planning and preparatory execution...nobody wants to believe it because it draws into question our entire belief system and trust in govt...

i vaguely remember a doc on pbs that i saw a few years ago about an indian physicist who successfully fought a patent application in world courts for neem oil, which was used by her villagers, and others for centuries before them, for medicine...must have been the same woman i thought she was fantastic, and more power to her!

I grant you that it's debatable, but I don't see the reason for your extreme rudeness. Silly past? Yeah, right. They used to have duels way back when we had a real civilization. Like most people, you're entranced by the familiar - the "normal" as good. That leads to nothing but degredation because then there is no standard and the Elite can just keep pushing the envelope ever so slowly or based on the problems they themselves have created.

You probably think it's normal for women to focus on their careers in their 20's and 30's and then look for a husband to have kids with in their 40's. Why not? It's normal right? The Doctors lied to these poor schmuckettes - told them what they wanted to hear, that it was "possible". Real Civilization would ask woman to have their children first and then do the other stuff. But that's monstrous right? You need to try and combine your imagination with your intellect. Without the imagination, the intellect can only be second rate.

Neem Karoli Baba threw down a whole bunch of LSD hits. He broke into a light sweat and that's about it. After a while he said that things like that were used long ago in the Kulu Valley. He didn't condemn it completely, but said that only the stable should take them and then with care. And that they bring on a simalacrum or imitation of the real mystical experience but not the real thing.

I assume that they stimulate the physical aspect of the chakras in the brain and encocrine system in the same or similar way as actual spiritual experience would. Rudi said that he knew a man who used to combine kundalini yoga with psychedelics and after one such trip he didn't come back. Unwise perhaps. But he said that the kama of dying while doing sadhana was good beyond all imagining.

Russia and Iran are allies - unfortunately for Israel and the New World Order.

Oh, OK, I get it.

You believe the official story because you only pay attention to the one line version. You totally ignore the inconsistencies, the evidence and the controversy.

Muslims bad. Muslims kill people.

Ugh believes.

As far as remote controlled planes flying into the World Trade Center, that was the plot of a movie shown on Fox in February of 2001. Only in the movie, the pilots were conscious and managed to get control of the planes right before they hit the towers.

There were 8 burly pilots of those planes that day, well trained and ex-military.

Yet we are told that a few young men armed with boxcutters managed to overcome these pilots, and that not one of the 8 pilots fought back or even hit the hijacking code.

And that none of the air traffic controllers thought of notifying the military that planes were flying off course, although there were hundreds of interceptions in the years before and after.

Oh, that's right. You're not interested in anything but- Muslims bad. Muslims kill people.

The Vatican not only wrote the Talmud, now they wrote the Koran as well. Wage actually believes that the United States caused all Muslim Jihads even a thousand years ago. Now that's power.

Yes, it does make sense.

Maybe that's why the US has been warning that Iran is 5 years away from building a bomb since 1979.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/1108/Imminent-Iran-nuclear-threat-A-timeline-of-warnings-since-1979/Earliest-warnings-1979-84

Be afraid! Be very afraid!

Extreme rudeness? Well I do apologize if that's the case. But in my defense, I'm a little bit stunned by your recent accquisition of a glass jaw. The Vlad I used to know could take a punch.

A seperate nation for whites, the cultural reinstatement of duels - this does not qualify as intelligent imagination; it's pure delusional fantasy. Can you see the distinction?

Hi Jackie. Nice to hear from you.

I think that Rhino may be Cash, but asoka points out some differences.

You could be right but you ruin it by extolling Islam as a Religion of Peace. In other words, they may not have done it, but they would have if they could. You talk as if they never engage in terrorism or like the Koran itself doesn't glorify dying as a Martyr for Islam.

The Jihad against the West was due for a return even if Israel had never been created. That's just what Islam does when it is strong. Look at the Phillipines: they never did anything to Muslims yet the Muslims intend to take the Islands by force - and of course, voluntary conversions.

You've never heard me extol any religion, Vlad.

Short of breath much?

"We are one people."

I do not use the terms interchangably as you and many others, who thus, have some ridiculous interpretations of the prophetic scriptures, applying them to the wrong players, and even to the wrong writers. Its pretty pathetic.

My family records speak of the "lost tribes" being lost {put away in punishment - appolumi}, and going into captivity to the Medes and Persians.

When the Israelites of the ten northern tribes failed to bring forth these fruits in the Old Testament, it was because they worshipped false gods and cast aside His law. The prophets speak of this constantly. So God judged them by casting them out of the land given to their fathers and stripped them of the birthright name, "Israel."

He empowered the Assyrians from 745-721 B.C. to conquer Israel and deport the Israelites to Halah, Habor, by the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes" (2 Kings 17:6). This was the area around the southern half of the Caspian Sea.

Israel became "Not My People" (Hosea 1:9). God divorced them (Jer. 3:8; Hosea 2:1). He even said He would call His servants by "another name" (Isaiah 65:15), which, for many centuries, made it difficult to identify the "lost tribes of Israel." The Jewish Encyclopedia makes no attempt to tell us that these lost Israelites are to be found in today's Jews. It says,

"As a large number of prophecies relate to the return of 'Israel' to the Holy Land, believers in the literal interpretation of the Scriptures have always labored under a difficulty in regard to the continued existence of the tribes off Israel, with the exception of those of Judah and Levi (or Benjamin), which returned with Ezra and Nehemiah. If the Ten Tribes have disappeared, the literal fulfillment of the prophecies would be impossible; if they have not disappeared, obviously they must exist under a different name."

Yes, they do exist under a different name, and it is NOT the name "Jew." Official records of ancient Assyria, Persia, and Greece tell us that they called Israel by various names: Ghomri (Gomer), Khumree, Sakka (Saxons), Getae ("captives"), and so on. Thus, they lost their name "Israel." The Danites named places after their father as they travelled and thus you have the Danube, the Dardanelles,

Years later, wars { they were the buffer troops of the M&P } pushed most of these people west and north into Europe. Since many of them crossed the Caucasus Mountains on their way into Europe, they became known as "Caucasians."

Although archeology has now proven where they went and who they are today, this does not negate the fact that they were cast out and were no longer God's people and no longer "chosen" as such. At best, we can say that they were EX-Israelites of the dispersion.

The gospel { good news } about what Yahshua had accomplished on their behalf, as the Kinsman Redeemer, has been sent to them, being scattered in all the nations of the planet. Each one must recognize the calling of God for himself and respond to the testament, IOW - determine what the testament requirtes of him to inherit the birthright.

http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org/BOOKS/secrets/Chapter15.cfm

When the House of Israel was deported by the Assyrians, the people were "lost" only because they lost their name "Israel." The people themselves were never really lost. In fact, they began to multiply greatly in their captivity, exactly as the prophets said they would. For instance, after prophesying the captivity and casting out of Israel, Hosea 1:10 says,

10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not My people; there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the Sons of the living God.

A study of the first two chapters of Hosea shows us that Israel was to be cast off and divorced from God. They were to be scattered ("Jezreel"); they were to have no mercy ("Lo-ruhamah"); and they were to be no longer God's people ("Lo-ammi"). But at the same time, God promised that they would be regathered under one Head (Jesus Christ) and come out of captivity. In fact, God told them He would "betroth thee unto Me in righteousness" (Hosea 2:19). The prophecy culminates with a Hebrew play on words. The name "Jezreel" means "God scatters," but it also means "God sows." (One must scatter the seed in order to sow it in the field.) Thus, at first the name prophesies that Israel was to be scattered; but ultimately it shows God's Purpose-to sow Israel in the earth in order to multiply her as the sand of the sea. In spite of all, God remains faithful to His promise to Abraham. Hosea 2:23 concludes,

23 And I will sow her unto Me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not My people, Thou art My people; and they shall say, Thou art My God.

In other words, even though God did indeed cast off His people Israel, scattering them in the nations by the hand of the Assyrians, God's ultimate Purpose was to sow them in the earth, so that they would multiply and fulfill the promise to Abraham. Furthermore, Hosea prophesied that in the very place (of their captivity) where it is said that they are not God's people (Israel), they would be Christians known as "the Sons of the living God."

The problem is that most Christian writers try to make the Jews fulfill these prophesies, when the Jews, in fact, are fulfilling an entirely different set of prophecies. This is why modern teachers blundered so badly in 1948, thinking that the Jews were going to be converted within seven years, and the time of Jacob's trouble was beginning at that time. Forty years later, another author boldly proclaimed "88 reasons" why Jesus was coming in 1988. One of his most prominent "proofs" was that this was 40 years after 1948, which he said was the "generation" that would not pass until they had seen all these things fulfilled (Matt. 24:34). His premises were based upon incorrect historical assumptions about the Jews and Israel.

If they had known that the Jews were to fulfill the prophecies of Edom and the remnant of Judah, instead of those dealing with the lost House of Israel, they would not have made such serious mistakes. The Jews were certainly "cast off" in 70-73 A.D., even as Israel was cast off during 745-721 B.C.-but the difference is that the prophets uniformly prophesy good things for lost Israel even during the time of their captivity; while severe judgments are pronounced upon Jerusalem and the remnant of Judah.

Compare, for instance, the prophecy in Jeremiah 18:1-10 about the potter. God says that the House of Israel was marred in the potter's hand, so God was going to beat down the wet clay and remake it into a vessel fit for His use. Then beginning in verse 11, God begins to prophesy about Jerusalem and Judah. First comes an indictment for their sins, and then in chapter 19 we see the end of that prophecy. Jeremiah was to take an old earthen vessel (as opposed to wet clay that was pliable), he was to go to the city dump (valley of the son of Hinnom, i.e., gehenna), and smash the earthen vessel there, saying, in Jeremiah 19:11-12,

11 .Thus saith the Lord of hosts; Even so will I break this people and this city, as one breaketh a potter's vessel, that cannot be made whole again, and they shall bury them in Tophet, till there be no place to bury. 12 Thus will I do unto this place, saith the Lord, and to the inhabitants thereof, and even make this city as Tophet.

The contrast is striking. An old clay vessel, once broken, cannot be remade into another vessel. Only wet, pliable clay can be used to remake a vessel. The House of Israel is like the pliable clay; the remnant of Judah-Edom will be smashed in gehenna and never again be built into a vessel of honor. God said He would forsake Jerusalem as He did Shiloh (Jer. 7:14). Shiloh was the place where the Ark of the Covenant rested until the time of Eli, when it was captured by the Philistines. The Ark never returned to Shiloh. Eventually, David took it to Jerusalem. But in Jeremiah's day, because the people of Jerusalem had made that Temple a den of thieves, God forsook that place. Ezekiel saw the glory depart (Ezek. 10:4-19). It never returned to the Temple. Even when Zerubbabel rebuilt the Temple in 515 B.C., the glory did not return to it when they dedicated it to God. The work was good and was directed by God, but the site itself was cursed.

This is consistent with the New Testament prophecies regarding the cursed fig tree (Matt. 21:21), the parable of the vineyard (Matt. 21:43-44), and the parable of the citizens who hated Him and would not allow Him to reign over them (Luke 19:27).

The point being, someone must be around to fulfill these distinct prophecies for Israel and for the cursed fig tree. The "lost" [ appolumi ] House of Israel must exist to be remade into another vessel; the remnant of Judah must exist to be smashed in gehenna. The gooberism comes when people think that the smashed vessel is going to be rebuilt into a vessel fit for God's use, and when those same people think that the original House of Israel is lost forever.

Your's is the "logic" of voluntary genocide. You're probably getting rude because deep down you know I'm right about Whites needing their own Nations. The dueling is debatable and tangential to this needless to say.

dale, you might be interested in a new website on emptiness:

http://www.emptiness.co/

It approaches emptiness from various traditions, not just Buddhist.

To be in harmony with emptiness is
to be in harmony with all things.
—Nagarjuna

About this site:

Emptiness teachings are widely held to be liberating. The purpose of this site is to present the wide variety of these teachings in a way that will help make them accessible and relevant. We will feature experiential, popular and scholarly approaches to the emptiness teachings, and we will honor the diversity of traditions from which they flow. Our goal is to highlight the power and appeal of these teachings so that they may do their work.

Ok, you extol not Islam but Muslims. Better?

Of course, all the man-made religions disagree with this analysis. They each think that they are divinely called to bring righteousness into the earth. Each of them believes that its own way, religion, or nation is in some way, the true Kingdom of God.

All that can be said is that time will prove all things. When the true Sons of God are manifested in the world, it will be hard to argue against the plain facts. But the world has nothing to fear from them, because the overcomers are not given to violence or force. They will be full of the love of God and will come, not as rulers, but as servants, even as Jesus came to serve rather than to be served. They will be like Jesus, not like { your } Barabbas. Jesus came to heal the people, not to put them into bondage.

The Messiah [ anointed One ] of the overcomers will not come as a great General. He will not come with a sword to kill all who oppose Him. His sword will be the “Word of His mouth,” which will kill only men's carnality and ignorance--not their bodies. It is the Sword of the Spirit, which divides soul and spirit, rather than separating a man's head from his body.

God has chosen a few from every nation to be overcomers, so that all nations are represented in this group (Rev. 5:9). God will use these as the first fruits of a great harvest until Rev. 5:13 is fulfilled:

"And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion for the ages of the ages." "

This is the restoration of all things that the prophets and apostles taught all through the Scriptures. Amen.

The religion of Multi Culturalism, Pluralism
adnauseum.

8 pilots didnt fight back?
Passengers fought back and 1 plane crashed in Pennsylvanian.

I have to admit it's hard to tell where the bull starts and the bull ends. I figured this out one day while performing a genealogical search on an ancient Royal relative. Some more bull below:

"However, the Celtish / Irish people are Israelites descended from Jacob/Israel's fifth of his twelve sons, who was called Dan and fathered the Tuatha de Danaan - the Tribe of Dan (the Irish and Danish). Therefore the Irish people are Celtish / British-Israelites by birth i.e. People of The Covenant in the Torah in the Bible and in The Ark, which is buried at Tara."

http://jahtruth.net/celtisr.htm

'Everyone else just ignored my posts, as if they were invisible, while they spewed their hate for those who make less money'
UNDERSTANDABLY, Sounds like the 'RWF' of yours is tired of the State and the welfare system.
Some of the 1% actually produce jobs and goods, not just a paper trail to the Caymen Islands.

MEHER BABA: Hallucinogens 'open up the higher centers, and are dangerous'

Asoka sends warm Imbolc greetings to all CFNers who are Pagans. (the day some call Groundhog Day)

Imbolc is one of the eight Pagan holidays, based on the cycle of the sun through our seasons.

Feb. 2 marks the halfway point between the winter solstice and the spring equinox - which is why the groundhog is said to prognosticate the weather between Feb. 2 and March 20.

The Catholic church adopted the date for two feast days: St. Brigid's Day (Feb. 1, named for both an Irish saint and a Celtic fertility goddess) and Candlemas (Feb. 2).

May all beings (believers and non-believers) be well and happy!

Both parties are controlled by Wall Street, Big Oil, and the military industrial complex. All we can do is choose not to vote or vote for the candidate least likely to get us into a bigger mess. From everything I've seen and read, Romney would be slightly worse than Obama on most issues.

As far as the 100 year supply of natural gas is concerned, I've seen that number quoted by a number of sources, most likely using each other as a source. In reality, no one has a clue. Until fossil fuels get a lot more expensive and solar panels get a lot cheaper (which they are, thanks to the Chinese), we'll continue down the current path of dependency.

Just remember that no national candidate has ever won by telling people things they don't want to hear, even if they are true.

" The people of Southern Ireland are not gentiles either, as they have been wrongly taught by the Vatican, who wanted them all to be catholics, but are also Israelites, descended from Judah's brother Dan, the fifth of Jacob/Israel's sons (Genesis 30:6), and were known as the Tuatha de Danaan - the Tribe of Dan."

http://jahtruth.net/uflag.htm

"WRONGLY TAUGHT BY THE VATICAN"...hmmmm!

Asoka, thank you for the Imbolc good wishes. It's a very warm one down here in Dixie.

And Jim, great piece this week. It's always nice to be reminded that there is a small slice of the population that isn't buying the brain-dead song and dance. I can't even stand to watch anymore, so thank you for the update!

God said He would..
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"God" said many things, all of it is nonsense made up by parasitic elites for superstitious morons.

When will god finally fulfill his promise to be rid this world of its parasitic elites and their armies of superstitious morons, that's what I want to know.

Hi Tripp, good luck on your transition and the cob hybrid straw bale house.

Just remember straw is an organic material. It must be protected from humidity (rot), rodents and insects, and fire. Cob and adobe don't have those problems.

Builders here is the desert are laying out their plans, as adobe and rammed earth projects are starting up around here. Contrast that to the "regular" housing market, still bogged down in the mortgage mess.

Green is king, (as in adobe bricks and passive solar green energy). Green also includes how much stays in the pocketbook when building with natural materials. Adobe, sun-cured, earthen bricks are win-win-win.

While smiting a few parasitic elites would be in order, I'm wondering why God won't cure cancer. I mean the term "pediatric oncology" should not exist. Of course, God works in mysterious ways, so people like me are left to simply accept what is. That is vipassana.

Vipassana, which means to see things as they really are, is one of India's most ancient techniques of meditation. It was rediscovered by Gotama Buddha more than 2500 years ago. ... Healing, not merely the curing of diseases, but the essential healing of human suffering, is its purpose. Vipassana is a way of self-transformation through self-observation.
YMMV

Hi Wage, Talk about drones! Wait till the US military gets their hands on these little babies. Unbelievable!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQIMGV5vtd4&feature=g-logo&context=G284f2a3FOAAAAAAAAAA

"I distinctly remember that outcry over dead bystanders led to a ban on high speed chases decades ago." -wage, laboring with false memories-

Wage, I'm going to let this drop after this, if no one else wants to "pursue" it. hah!
But such a "ban would have to come from the State or local level. As nearly as I can determine from the internet, there's no such ban in California state-wide, or in LA County.

Some of the larger jurisdictions in Georgia are trying to deemphasize high speed pursuits*, but an outright ban will never happen here - not that I think it should, anyway.

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So, hypothetically, what if the US Congress or the Obama administration wanted to impose a Federal level "ban" on high speed police pursuits?
How would this be imposed? How would it work?

First - Federal officers would be immediately affected. After that, the new ban/law would be imposed from above - as have many Federal mandates. (mandatory seatbelts, 0.08 DUI sentencing, 21 year old drinking age) The way the Feds impose their will on the States is by withholding Federal money.

I've said before that the 21 year old drinking age is Satan's own law - for what it does to US citizens who are legal adults, for legal contracts and for military service - but who cannot legally drink. Stupid law - imposed by Federal mandate over local citizen objections.
The Whiskey Rebellion set the tone for this.

*why in the larger jurisdictions, you ask?
Well, more crowded roads increase civilian risk, of course. But then there's a police truism, that works out better in larger jurisdictions:

"You can't outrun Motorola."

Yeah, good points about straw bale. It must be kept absolutely dry and sealed off with earthen plasters as quickly as humanly possible. We're only doing the north and west walls of our workshop with straw, because we're kind of in a hurry to get some housing together, and as insulation instead of thermal mass because it won't be a constantly-used building. Cob and adobe are much preferred for that purpose, and the rest of our buildings will be straight cob. If we do get some rot issues in the straw bale walls we'll just have to rip them out and replace them with cob. Fortunately these are not load-bearing straw walls, so that operation should be simple enough.

Thanks again, and good point as well about the natural building movement gearing up against the tidal flow of the formal economy. Like I always say, "Adaptive behavior is its own reward." If it's ecologically adaptive it will flourish and be rewarded, one way or another. Peace.

"Poor Q and PoC/P2C. They died the death of 1,000 cuts. They knew they were too vested, yet they still feed from the trough. They are too old, or close-minded, to ever accept that their profits lead to others' demise."
-ixnomore-

First, IX - there's a case made on CFN nearly every week that the United States is an Evil Empire that has bent and twisted all of Earth's peoples to its will. And if you live in the United State - I'd have to say that you are a party to this, no matter HOW many cold water showers you take.
So ALL of us feed from the trough - you too.

Beyond that - you have no idea what I may be doing out in the real world. I own more than my share of income-producing real estate in Georgia, that's true. But hey, Ix, folks have to live somewhere right?
And I worked hard to REDUCE the demand for rental real estate in Georgia, by working for passage of HB 87. http://www1.legis.ga.gov/legis/2011_12/sum/hb87.htm

Even though I don't rent to the "undocumented," HB 87 still hurts my bottom line - by lowering rental unit demand throughout Georgia.
It was worth it, just to try to make my own State do what it can to move toward true "sustainability" in terms of long term population growth.

So, I'm willing to sacrifice financially for the greater good, IX, even though I am "vested," as you put it.

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You called me a "racist" last week, ixnomore, just because I work to reduce LEGAL and illegal immigration into the United States. You made the charge, and then you went fluttering off - like another little butterfly of hate.

So, IX - here's your chance to explain your charge. Why does wanting lower population growth for the United States make me racist? ?

And just how many skipped baths and cold water showers will you have to take this year Ixnomore - to make up for the 1,000,000+ LEGAL immigrants who are coming into the country every year.

How about if most of these new immigrants take HOT showers? Does that make it better?

I don't see how.

And the Sons of Israel shall not lie down with the Daughters of Ham, Cush, etc. Nor their Sons with your Daughters. The blessing is in the blood (genes). If not, then why even talk about it? The men or iron must not mix with the men of clay lest they lose their edge and the temper of their steel.

Let's find our exactly how PC your Identity is once and for all.

You're too good for us Dale. Too good for anyone. We don't deserve you and never did.

"Conversations increasingly just don't interest me."
-dale-

Dale, exactly how much of that Peruvian herbage are you ingesting, anyway?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine
I mean, DMT sounds like pretty cool stuff, and I've personally never found a psychoactive, yet - that I wouldn't at least gently experiment with.

But when you get to the point that "conservations just don't interest" you - I think you've gone about as close to the edge as it is wise to go.

Keep the shiny side up and the dirty side down, dale. Come back when you can, and good luck.

Even if you come back as Elad, Reverse Son of Dale, and Daughter of Ohso.

Yes I'm thinking about putting the tar sand photos up on the site, not sure yet, thanks for posting about them last week. It is not just doing it but how to do it that I have to think about.

Try the 'Entabulator' now. I was hosting the file myself but some browsers did not get it. U tube is more reliable so I'm now getting the stream from them instead.

Glad you like the site and as long as snow is on the ground River and Trout can stay.

In 2010 more than 4 million more women than men lived in poverty. Families headed by a single adult are more likely to be headed by women, and these female-headed families are at greater risk of poverty and deep poverty. 34.2% of families with a female householder where no husband is present were poor and 17% were living in deep poverty. So when Romney says he doesn’t care about the poor, he means specifically he doesn’t care about poor women.

Then Romney tells the lie that the poor have a safety net. Then Romney tells another lie that he will work to fix the safety net where it is broken. Romney supported the Ryan budget plan to eliminate Social Security and Medicaid.

It’s not just Romney. It’s the entire Republican party who spent the last year legislating on the backs of our most vulnerable. It started with Stupak-Pitts during the health care reform debate and has now evolved into an outright war on the ability of the poor to access health care services at all on both the state and the federal level. It’s expressed in the crusade to cripple health care reform and to take away any affordable family planning or cancer screening.

And they’ve even enlisted their surrogates. Just look at the Susan G. Komen Foundation.

"For of old time I have broken thy yoke, [and] burst thy bands; and thou saidst, I will not transgress; when upon every high hill and under every green tree thou wanderest, playing the harlot. Yet I had planted thee a noble vine, wholly a right seed: how then art thou turned into the degenerate plant of a strange vine unto me? For though thou wash thee with nitre, and take thee much soap, [yet] thine iniquity is marked before me, saith the Lord GOD. How can thou say, I am not polluted, I have not gone after Baalim? see thy way in the valley, know what thou hast done: [thou art] a swift dromedary traversing her ways; A wild ass used to the wilderness, [that] snuffeth up the wind at her pleasure; in her occasion who can turn her away? all they that seek her will not weary themselves; in her month they shall find her. Withhold thy foot from being unshod, and thy throat from thirst: but thou said, There is no hope: no; for I have loved strangers, and after them will I go."

"I'm wondering why God won't cure cancer."

Have you asked?

*strangers* = a racial alien, "of another nation", "an alien by birth".

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H2114&t=KJV

"God said He would..."

Is this a quote, or something He told you?


"...that's what I want to know."

I suspect knowing would make no difference to you.
On the one hand you claim to be a descendent of Moses, and then the next week you sound like a complete infidel. It would be useful if you would brief your relief, or simply make it a requirement for him to read the previous weeks writings since you guys are apparently not "on the same page".

"wrongly taught" In the same way that you cannot return from some where you have not been, you cannot teach something you have not learned. This vacuum will quite naturally be filled with something, usually reasonable sounding, but no less in error.

The people that believe jews represent all of Israel, are not going to make any effort to find those who [ they believe ] do not any longer exist. The blindness God imposed upon them is indeed vast.

So when Romney says he doesn’t care about the poor, he means specifically he doesn’t care about poor women. - Asoka
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Remember folks, Asoka has deliberately downsized his life so that he will not have to pay taxes that are needed to maintain the safety net for the very poor including women for whom he expresses a special concern. He also recommends that we all do the same. His stated motive is to "starve the war machine" but if he has to starve the poor to do, well, so be it.

"I figured this out one day while performing a genealogical search..."

You will likely find less "bull" among those who do not depend on geneology for their salvation. The act of hiding these things from them, and blinding us to our roots [ how many do you know that can trace their geneology beyond their great grandfather? ] cripples any dependance on it for a relationship with the Creator. Faith is a gift. Ask for it.


LB said:
The Demos are working for the same global power mongers, but, yeah, they have a much more subtle approach. Either way you're screwed--the question is are you a tad less screwed by the Demos?
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I'm always gladdened to see you stick up for working people and to see that when it comes to the alleged "two parties", you recognize that they're really just wings of the single Mo' Money party.

As you may have seen in my lone post of the day, I find it very ironic that the Republicans (who I see as mean, retrograde, warmongers and defense-contractor cronies) seem to be the party calling into question Bernanke's competence more than the Democrats.

I find this downright mystifying. Bernanke IS a Republican and he's going to continue socializing our society's losses and allowing embezzlers to reap bigger rewards than they got in the Roaring '90s.

You know American politics is a Kafka-esque three-ring circus when the Democrats seem to be invisible when it comes to critiquing the central guy responsible for socializing losses. How can this situation POSSIBLY come about that we can scarcely find a Democrat who will point his/her finger at a middle class destroyer while the hateful Republicans are calling Bernanke's competence into question.

This is beyond irony.


E.

His stated motive is to "starve the war machine" but if he has to starve the poor to do, well, so be it.
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Asoka is on the right track. We should all strive to starve the war machine. And that should include taxing the Church to supply the poor. After all, that's where the Church stole its money from to begin with.

How about that, Q? Are you on board with this program? It would make you a credit to your people if you are.

This is beyond irony.
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It's Shakespearean!

Btw, thanks to Bloomberg, we now know that the gov mafia counterfeited 16 trillion dollars since 2008. Sixteen trillion dollars! Think about that.


His stated motive is to "starve the war machine" but if he has to starve the poor to do, well, so be it.

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Any day now Wikileaks should be releasing minutes of cabinet meetings revealing the depth of concern about not getting my federal tax money.

Q, as soon as TPTB realize that they will again get my federal taxes when priorities change, the priorities will change. That is my strategy, to force changes from military to domestic spending.

Of course, without having to pay for the war machine, the tax burden will be cut in half.

Hi Ripped.

Hey! I didn't tell you congratulations last week on your short hour status.

And thanks for the entertaining facts.

Of course, without having to pay for the war machine, the tax burden will be cut in half.
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No, it wont. You owe people money that you borrowed from. You owe people money for war reparations. You owe people money for stealing their property.

Hi Tripp.

I know that you believe that it's OK to use what's available now, even if it's unsustainable in the long run. (Like a truck)

I went to a Green festival once, and a guy there had a styrofoam building block gizmo going on. You merely filled the blocks with cement, left the forms there, and supposedly it was a R-gazillion and would last forever.

I'm just saying...


Ironic because a friend of mine cited the missing $16T just yesterday. I strongly advise the following article just so people can see it in black and white:

http://hillbuzz.org/what-does-a-secret-16-trillion-bailout-look-like-69674

We're living in a "soft" tyranny full of phony smiley faces, phony good vibes, and "don't worry, be happy". Thanks for the memory jog so I could fetch the URL for this article. As an extra added bonus, the article has Mitt Romney's list of top donors ... and almost all of them are banks with a couple of land robber barons thrown in for good measure.


E.

Nope. Don't like religion, don't like religious fanatics.

Don't like oppression of women. Don't like beheadings.

Don't like my country paying muhajadeen to kill communists.

You've never heard me extol muslims, either.


A short addendum ... the thieves at the Fed were so stupid that Bloomberg found the missing "footprints" of the Fed's unauthorized activities at the GAO ... the Government Accounting Office.

Did they want to get caught or, more likely, once they got away with a few good-sized thefts they figure they could go the whole magilla.

Yet who among us has heard this event discussed on TV even though it's been discussed online for over a month because the uncovered data stemmed from the PAUL-GRAYSON extension to the Dodd-Frank bill. Here's an even better URL which discusses this heist:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2825696/posts

E.

Get ready for QE3, QE4, QE5, QE6.

Quantitative easing can continue indefinitely due to the mathematical notion of infinity. Mathematically, there is no practical or theoretical limit, but there are benefits to QE.

By flooding cash into the market, banks and other financial institutions will build up larger and larger cash reserves. The banks will finally decide to loosen their lending standards to utilize their excess cash. Individuals and companies will start getting the loans they are seeking. This is already happening and the economy is beginning to recover, as people and companies begin to spend again.

Quantitative easing helps consumers, exporters and financial institutions find their way out of a recession by lowering longer-term interest rates, by pushing down yields at the far end of the yield curve.

Quantitative easing can lower deflationary expectations by promising to keep interest rates low for an extended period of time.

Quantitative easing can stimulate exports by increasing the monetary base.

16 Trillion is a small number and has obviously not lead to a Great Depression. Did you ever look at the bikini graph I have posted at times? Quantitative Easing, regardless of how many trillions it represents, has not done the damage George W. Bush did with his tax cuts for the rich.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10175171

With QE job creation is happening in the private sector. (Obama continues to shrink government and lay off people, and reduce government spending and make government more "efficient" like he is doing with the military.)

E., all you ever do is bemoan QE. You never look at the positive aspects of QE.

Now dig a little deeper and see if you can find out who is behind the banks, the corporations, the CIA and other secret organizations. How it all came to be. I bet Q and Vladik would be interested in that report.

Quantitative easing can lower deflationary expectations by promising to keep interest rates low for an extended period of time.
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No, it can't. You cannot solve a debt problem with more debt. Furthermore, we are starting the exponential ride down in terms of energy input. Credit supply is premised on future growth which is premised on increasing energy input.


Asoka, Buddhist King of India said:
E., all you ever do is bemoan QE. You never look at the positive aspects of QE.
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If it's so beneficial to the public then why did it have to be kept secret for almost FOUR YEARS until the Paul-Grayson audit unearthed it? In real life, how many people do you know who think they're doing something so wonderful for the human race that they keep in UNDER WRAPS? You are as socially naive as you are economically naive.

I've already shown, in at least a dozen posts, that the QE have done nothing but kite up the speculative sector while the only discernible difference for the working man is higher food and fuel costs. Oil dived to $38/bbl in 2008 and the average of the six major food futures was roughly 60% of the values seen today.
Don't even get me started on healthcare costs just in the last five years.

All that the QE have done is cause the daily/weekly/monthly living expenses of the average working person to soar while their salaries are stagnant (and THAT is being generous). Much of the so-called "job creation" you cite in the private sector has already been proven to be mostly at: 1) Fast food joints like McDonald's, and 2) Walking-dead high tech start-ups which will die THIS year since it's the end of the 3-year venture cycle.

QE gave more than an entire GDP of money to banks and the net effect for working people has been bad. Nouriel Roubini's infrastructure idea, a promise that Obama has reneged on, is the only thing which can restart this country.

My metaphor for the QE is that it is like trying to crack open a peanut with a STEAMROLLER ... and FAILING!!!!!


E.


They shoved this Masterpiece to the Rant House, go figure:

You must register.

From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177939&start=25

Also, in brainium, if everything is a brain, then there are more brains than information for those brains to process, it is the other way around, there is not enough information for the brains themselves to process, hence they process other brains, and even the information becomes brains, etc. all reciprocal.

Within this framework it can be said that Science is Wrong. That's it. I said it. Science is Wrong from the outset, what we do have is a local logical segment that is sufficient for our uses, we have found the many repetitive patterns and have found out how to apply them (and we may find others in the future), but the Metaphysical - Spiritual - Abstract properties that we apply to Science are Wrong. There is no "Objective Reality" and "Objective Science" or "Set of Patterns" as applied to an "External Reality" such that justifies this other new subtle form of Religion: as even Science has properties of Religions, the faith factor, the belief factor, only in this case you have faith in logic and reasoning and you believe that reality is outside of yourself, that the Observer is independent of the Observed, that the Observer can be separated from the Observed: nothing further from the truth, there is no way to split the Observer from the Observed, it is all one, a confusing monolithic slab of Matter, nay, symbols talking to themselves.
In fact Science tries to find repetitive patterns by comparing things to what it already knows, by formatting new events, patterns, causes and effects, observations into the language and words and symbols it has already created: the past conditions the future in this sense, the memory of what you already know creates the reference system, reality is just the memory of all you have seen and all the patterns you are used to and have been solidified into expectations where very few really surprising events can happen. And as such since the Universe is only the way Matter is decoded by another organization of Matter, and since Matter is only Information Relationship Events, hence Symbols, it is more correct to say the Universe is only the way a set of Symbols are decoded by another set of Symbols.

What does probability have to do with it ? It is said that there is a probability that your quantum atoms align up in such a way that you can walk through walls, or there is one chance in a very large number that atoms just align up and make a dead man live again for maybe a week and such. Do we expect such things to happen ? Not really, but they are not 100 % excluded from what official Science tells us. And that is the point: if these things can happen, and they can, then anything can happen (and even if they can't, it doesn't matter), there is no longer any need to explain anything; the event is the explanation, it needs no further investigation, the observation is the science and the explanation, science becomes a very short story, it is only that which we see, the entire idea of explaining, relating, connecting a long chain of causes and effects and such is no longer necessary, the simplest explanation is no explanation.

So how did Natural Evolution create the first living cell and a Man ? No explanation, it just happened, end of story, the very long complex number that created the end point is just a number that has been selected out of a very large bag of numbers just because, for no reason at all.

And in fact, No Reason at All is the Best Reason Possible, No Reason at all, Just Because, It is just a randomly assigned number.

And such for anything else: does God exist ? I don't know, but if yes he exists For No Reason at All, just because. Does anything else, no matter how wild and insane exist ? I don't know, but if it does it exists For No Reason at All, just because. But even saying I don't know does not really do justice to the idea that Science is Wrong: we must take it further, and leave the entire concept of "truth" behind as it implies external realities, true and false, imaginary spiritual properties entities have and such so we can say: Does anything at all exist ? Yes, anything at all exists (an oldsmobile that is a brain and talks to little children) everything exists For No Reason at All, just because.
And taking it even further does nothing at all exist, is everything a temporary ghost and illusion ? Yes, nothing exists For No Reason at All, just because.

Coincidences, no matter how specific and far out no longer need to be explained. They just exist and happen.

To clear a point up : the reason why the Universe is a set of symbols decoded by another set of symbols is also (amongst other more abstract reasons) because our reference system in terms of logic, cause and effects, patterns and especially the memory of all that knowledge (as has been established by Science and the Man Brain's accumulative knowledge) is a kind of fixed language, fixed formal system of symbols decoded by other symbols and defined according to other symbols etc. synchronized and associated according to how we interact with "External" Matter. But since all of this is just Matter talking to itself, therefore symbols talking to themselves, it cannot be considered really objective, but in fact the exact opposite; the most extreme subjectivity possible, as it is just like a large number assigned for No Reason at All, Just because, and something totally arbitrary and random is something totally subjective and outside of the process of our imaginary Objective Science.

As a small correction of a block of text above:

This kind of extreme Anthropic Principle implies that essentially, There is no "External Reality" (or Matter, or World), there is no Inside and Outside with regards to Matter in general, only an ARBITRARY subdivision of Matter in a chunk assigned as Inside and a chunk assigned as Outside, an ARBITRARY delimitation of one chunk of Matter is Inside (the Observer) and another chunk as Outside (the place from nowhere from which all the signals arriving at the Observer come from); in other words the Observer cannot be separated and placed in some kind of place from nowhere where it can make believe that it is "Objective", Matter cannot arbitrarily be divided into two parts only because it seems so convenient from our point of view.

As a corollary Science does exactly this: it arbitrarily separates the Observer from the Observed, although Quantum Physics started having issues with this...

And Wow, I think I am starting to take myself too seriously with all of this...

Interesting to see how something dead is anything you see, any combination of objects you see, since everything you see is dead (in the sense at least of not having self consciousness at least as far as we can tell ? ...), but only one very specific organization of matter, configuration of matter, combination of matter is alive and that is Man (or better the process of his Man Brain interacting with his external reality, etc.(but didn't I say that there is no external reality ? yeah, but I fooled, you, ha, ha, ha (lose any hope in trying to find coherence and non contradiction in all my BS))). So imagine what could be all the intermediate steps ? imagine a limit of matter going from dead to alive (but not in our scientific or biological sense, in an imaginary metaphysical sense) look at all the dead things outside of you and imagine combinations of them that become a little self aware and so on, an entire linear scale, and then maybe the scale can go even further in both directions more dead than dead, more alive than alive, so if dead is 0 (but corresponds to trillions of different objects) and alive is 100 and corresponds to only one, imagine the scale going from minus a trillion to plus a trillion and each state of existence (from super dead to super alive but much more, etc.) can correspond to trillions of different objects, combinations of matter, etc.

Science is worth zero because it is dependent on an imaginary invariant, the Man Brain, it is only valid within the process of interactions that a Man Brain can have with its environment hence it is only a local logical segment: a real objective science would have to investigate all possible Man Brain permutations and designs and rules of interactions with all possible memory organizations, emotion and pain/pleasure circuits, logics, sense organs, you name it: obviously the number of different kinds of Man Brains (or simply Processors, Observers ) possible is astronomical hence even investigating many and many, the amount of Real Science that we could write down is always vanishingly small, hence it is the entire idea of Science that is false and wrong.

It only works in our puny world, so then any set of symbols that are assigned to process any other set of symbols is a completely new universe with a completely new science, etc.

Design your new Science, make it wildly interesting, design your make believe, don't be shy, we are only at the beginning of Real Science...

TOBOR AN 8 MAN

So going back to the idea that everything is dead except you, then you are the invariant particle as compared to all of the dead variant particles, an invariant in a sea of variants, could also be a definition of an Observer, a Processor: but since that invariant has a free will gadget attached to it, it sees and uses all the variants as tools, as items to manipulate, as words to put together within its language constructing a syntax according to its random, arbitrarily assigned numbers associated to its completely random and arbitrary free will decisions.

But if there a number of point like multiples - instances of the same invariant (a Man Brain for example) within a sea of variants (all the dead points of a volume of space time and all of its possible combinations even if disjoint and separated in disconnected spatial and temporal chunks) you can imagine all of the possible combinations and degrees of variants and invariants point like or diffused, having multiple instances of the same or similar invariants or / and many different invariants (a sea of different designs of Man Brains - a monolithic slab of substance designated as BRAINIUM, that which everything you see conceive, invent, all signals and symbols and sense inputs and pictures and designs are new kinds of brains) and variants that are gradually becoming invariants (hence all dead items that are slowly becoming processors or contraptions that resemble a Man Brain), just like a solid state crystal with each vertex having an atom on it within a sea of electrons (in this case each atom is a brain, or even different new brain designs) or an ocean with each atom of water being a brain or vice versa, each atom of water is the dead variant and the forces moving them are the brains, and so on, every conceivable configuration and mix between dead and alive brains and tools, variants and invariants and maybe transforming themselves into each other constantly or reciprocally becoming a variant and an invariant between each other and all others, and all possible combinations of such entities you can imagine...

Interesting to see the difference between Theoretical Physics and Philosophy - Metaphysics:

Theoretical Physics:

Essentially states How far can we take logical and mathematical structures and still make them somehow be tied up to the real physical world, still have some kind of connection, even though very weak or indirect with physical reality ? An example could be Superstring Theory.


Philosophy and Metaphysics:

Essentially states How far can logical and mathematical structures be pushed operating on items as far removed as possible from the physical world, items as abstract, absurd and impossible as possible, hence having zero connection to the real physical world, but still being connected to each other though any form of logic, mathematical or thought processes and sequences ? An example could be the invention of a new state - meaning - concept expressing it as "the square root of the word thought".

But whereas the theoretical physicist and also the mathematician still has some constraints upon what he can do by some connection, no matter how weak, with the real world, or at least with some possible logic that is somewhat non contradictory and that somewhat still must follow some sense, the metaphysical and philosophical "Inventor" no longer has any constraints whatsoever, is free to investigate anything at all, make up any connections he wants, invent anything he wants, doesn't have any possible constraint operating upon his tasks. But then items as contradictory and absurd as possible can always be connected to each other or invented, just their existence, their delimitation in our mind, their presence already provides them with a minimum of logical and mathematical structure as in order to exist, in order to contain them in our mind, in order to even speak about them they must at least follow the basic principles of identity and non contradiction..

You can see it as a kind of Content Invariant Machine: it operates the same mental computer program, the same operations (non contradiction, identity principle, some others ?) on any content at all: a Content Independent Machine that generates new content from mixing and matching and combining other older content: only that Theoretical Physics uses content that is somewhat tied to something somewhat real, Metaphysics uses any content at all, nay, the nature of the content is irrelevant, but the more colorful, far out, wild, absurd, the more the content teases our logic and our "Normal and Common Way of Looking at the World", the better, the more fun Metaphysics can have juggling the oddest possible content and processing it in the oddest possible way, just for fun, just to have fun, just because, "For No Reason at All".

And, as usual, you can extrapolate the two limiting tasks, put it on a scale, and say that if Theoretical Physics is 10 and Metaphysics is 50, then what is 23 ? what is minus 2000 ? what is plus a trillion and so on, extend and challenge, invent and create, forever (and then, is that scale digital or linear ? is that a gradual transformation of what tasks into another or does each number correspond to something completely different from anything we can conceive and Contain in Our Mind ?...).

Words as Logic ?

The fact that the Grand Unified Theory of Everything is being sought after in terms of Mathematics and Logic, structure instead of words is interesting. And very strange since words are much more powerful than any possible mathematical structure (although it seems that one can be formatted and translated into the other in some way), can be many times more abstract since for example in Mathematics you do not have anything that can represent the following application of logic to words: The Square root of the Word "Thought" multiplied the word "Space" Divided by the limit of the word "Forward" for the word "Sky" tending to the word "Absolute".

So ((Thought ^1/2) * Space)/(limit Sky -> Absolute of Forward).

Now what can that mean ? How is that related to anything else ? How many inventions of this kind are possible and how many other abstract complex absurd structures as such can be invented, etc. But especially, the very fact that words are ambiguous, are not very precise, can mean and be applied in so many different ways, you can make them change meanings, suggest something but then peedle back, you can lie, deceive, you can do a lot with words and such.

And especially, words seem closer to how a modifed brain would like to process concepts, wildly modified brains having parallel circuits, confusion all connected in very odd networks of understanding and experiences and such. And then compare that to the one bit logic mathematical structures imply as compared to metaphysical boldly and proudly fake and artificial and lying and deceiving structures composed of words.

As a test, could anybody write down the mathematical equivalent of the above blocks of text ? You see, you would have to assign too many arbitrary symbols having arbitrary meanings, so the entire deal of mathematical precision would be void of substance.

The Grand Unified Theories will be composed of mental structures expressed in very much more abstract items than words or sentences: and then the entire program of Science is False from the outset, it wants explanations, it wants relationships between things, it wants more symbols than are necessary (and why, what is the end reason ? the "Intentionality of Use" ? to solve problems ? to execute new experiences ? but these can be achieved directly modifying the Man Brain and directly obtaining anything you want).

So when they ask: why these equations (of physics) and not others ? the reply should be: Just Because, for No Reason at all. No reason is the Best Reason and also the Simplest Reason. Those equations were just a wild number chosen randomly, that is all.

You can also reply why not those equations ? why not anything ? why not accept what random chaos gave us for free without any further explanation or deeper relationships ? Why should there be any further relationships ? And even if we find millions, at a certain point they must end, or maybe we want them to go on forever ? (We can always force them to go on forever...)

Also because a reply different from that would generate an infinite regression of symbols, other questions and answers, a never ending sequence of symbols until finally you have to assign an end point, and at the end point you must assign some final Symbol which really means No Symbol at All, No reason at all.

Also because a reply different from that would generate an infinite regression of symbols, other questions and answers, a never ending sequence of symbols until finally you have to assign an end point, and at the end point you must assign THE LAST SYMBOL which really means No Symbol at All, No Reason at All.

Extreme Subjectivity is the Only Science

In a sense, it is the entire process of Abstraction that is being questioned: we go from the particular, to the general, eliminating information that is not pertinent to the model. And we generalize, get rid of quirk "initial conditions" and quirk "single cases", and set quirk arbitrary fixed parameters (speed of light, mass of electron, etc.) from measurements without questioning them in order to go forward, in order to find that which is in common between many different instances of similar events, repetitive patterns, etc.

In short we try to eliminate forms of subjectivity, the specific details of specific experiences, the never ending amount of information needed to describe something real, that is happening, some real configuration of matter in which it finds itself in.

And this is the general program of Science: but as soon as you start to change the design and manipulate that which has always been invariant, and namely the Observer, The Processor, the Man Brain and start putting the emphasis on specific experiences such a newly designed Man Brain can undergo, we go in a completely different direction from where Science has always been going: we accept, in a sense, that there are no more generalizations operating, only instantaneous point like events occurring by matter being set up in some unique and arbitrary configuration (random events occurring in a specific point in space and time) and self manipulating, talking to itself, interacting with itself, exchanging Information Relationships within itself.

And of course, generalizations and abstractions presuppose a common ground, and common reality, something a multitude of similar Observers have in common, the common way they interact and behave and the communication amongst them: but in a modified brain, common ground is no longer there and you can have a multitude of similarly modified brains exchanging some forms of communication, but you cannot know if they perceive a common "external reality" amongst themselves: and then who says that there must be multiple copies of similar man brains ? there could be many different specific, one time designs, it is just as good, there are no longer "Objective Rules" or "Intentionalities of Use" to follow (aside from the fact that multiple instances of a specific Man Brain (like ours and our Society) can be assigned as just one specific design of a Man Brain diffused in space and time and connected through communications of symbols and denotations and the imaginary "common external world" instead of being connected by hard wires in direct neural circuits in a small volume like any other specific design that is local and sufficient for itself ( a solid state civilization ?)).

In short, that which our present Science eliminates from "Science", and namely subjectivity, actually becomes the only and total Science (Extreme Subjectivity as the only possible rules of engagements with Reality, hence all kinds of lies and self delusions are actually more real than any reality we have ever experienced) possible in Modified Man Brains, new designs of the Observer, new designs of the Processor...

It is in fact the fight between theories and details, abstractions and all the little details of reality: and in fact both Science and Religion and Thought itself with all of its models, predictions, the perfectly under control world of rules with no surprises that is then always contradicted by the random details of reality: the same reason why Communism doesn't work is the same reason why Capitalism doesn't work or the Global Economy doesn't work: on paper and in theory everything is under control and predictable, in reality there are a never ending array of contrasting, contradictory and contradicting forces going in all directions and always contradicting your model, your prediction, your perfectly under control world in the comfort of your mind. And so it is with Physics,its equations are perfect except try to predict the next wave on a shore, the perfect equations don't work anymore because you need too many initial conditions and there are no analytical solutions to non linear partial differential equations; same with the three body problem.

A kind of balance, the more the theory is abstract and can predict reality the less details are present in it, but the less it can be applied to a concrete reality; whereas the more details you observe and include in a descrition, model or theory the less they can predict, the more you are just dealing with an observation and measurement. But Modified Minds can extend the entire range; from extreme random details only to extremely perfectly theoretical contraptions.

Enemy of Science

Thought is the Sickness, Measurement and Observation is the cure. In a sense, there is a reason why Natural Evolution didn't develop Intelligent Thoughtful minds always finding and establishing Patterns: because it would have been useless, in Nature it is the Details, Random, the often totally unpredictable or at best the probabilistic (with no guarantee of precision) that is operating. Animals, insects, fishes are in an environment of constant change, constant threats, constant surprises, no need to develop models here, only what happens momentarily and if you momentary survive win or lose counts and that is just a pure chance guessing game. The details are all there is. The history of what happened is all there is, there is nothing deeper, no other patterns to discover and use. But in another sense Natural Evolution was the process that discovered all useful repetitive patterns and possible "Intentionalities of Use" without having to think about it, the accumulation and crystallization of all of those patterns in a coherent whole, but always ready to throw it all away and start over, always just a temporary stability surely destined to be overthrown by Detail, Random, pure Chance. And our Science with the accumulation of its laws is somewhat similar as a process although our Science ends up being mostly a toy we use for ourselves and tied deeply into a specific, culture and value system although we are unaware of this (you have to desire and consider rockets a valuable goal before you produce Rocket Science and such...)

And with Thought comes Science and its Models, Abstractions, its desire to make you be on top of something, the constant comparison of reality against your models, and the constant frustration of seeing all the discrepancies, how reality always contradicts you, always makes fun of your models and ideas and general Laws that are operating: as if we are constantly just looking at our Models and General Laws and How the World Should be because our Model Imposes that the World should be like that, as if we are always looking at our models and imaginary general laws and getting angry at the world for disobeying what we think is Right, metaphysically and spiritually correct.

But this mistake all came from far away and this mistake saturates almost all we think: all of our Indirections and Symbols and Denotations are anchored to models of reality, they are all belief systems, abstractions of reality from the details and what happens and how random and free reality is compared to what we would like and think: this sickness is called Religion and God and it is called Science, since they both love their Mental Models, their Laws, the containing of reality in the comfort zone of your mind.

Abstraction eliminate details and tries to find the general and then assigns that general as the Law, the Master Pattern, but Reality is actually only the details, it is not a comfortable mental model, the mental model illusion that makes us think that we are on top of things, that we can somehow control them if we have a platonic mathematical mental model of reality. But it is not so, it is only the details that make up reality, only the measurements, only the random: point in case, what is the equation that predicts the exact form of a given mountain ? Oh, you will say that we have "General Equations" that predict how they are formed, we know what is going on (just like in Natural Evolution, the general rules, but then the real debate is on exactly what sequence of events lead to the first living cell and in this case the number of random details and events is so high that no mental model, no "Scientific Explanation" will probably ever come close to really explaining it (but even this sentence is a Mental Model, and Abstraction that wants to make believe that it is True, since abstractions make believe that they are true by just declaring themselves, so I MAY BE WRONG and that is 100 % OK)), but then we will have to assign initial conditions, measurements and so many other variables and things that in the end the model reveals itself for what it is: just a comfortable way to contain that which is uncontainable in a limited device as our Man Brain to make us feel that we are in control, on top if it. And anyways, our perfect models of reality, our mathematics breaks down immediately just as soon as you have to calculate the three body problem: that is nature that is trying to us something.

But Science does work and is effective when we need to design an Engine for example, we only have blind forces opposing us as opposed to Free Will Gadgets: and also because engines and chips and many other items are all within a very strictly controlled environment the goals that they have to achieve are very clear, etc. Compare that to economy, politics and sociology where so many random fluke and quirk positive and negative feedback loops are operating (and in these cases the Observer is also the Observed, you get the idea).

And the models in economy for example are always forcing cause and effect: like in economy they want to force the idea that more free market, more competition and changes and more dynamic markets will increase job formation, money exchanges and such: is it true ? maybe, maybe not, maybe more correctly it is just a very vague, rough approximation of the idea that if people are pushed around a little and forced to keep on always changing and interacting things will move by themselves. As opposed to my idea of large public private projects that will create the jobs from above : is it true ? maybe, maybe not, maybe more correctly it is just a very vague, rough approximation of the idea that if people are given a large scale goal many jobs will be created. The entire idea of innovation is the illusion of trying to use the same success that we had manipulating matter, by projecting that success into a reflection so as to improve society also.

Free will compensates the random details found in nature, an ensemble of minds all using abstract mental models can only create random details by interacting through free will.

Funny how the extreme limit of science, the Instant Singularity and modified brains reaches the same conclusion of what natural evolution reached for most living things: that no models or thought processes are necessary at all, the model, the abstraction is a falsification of reality, is a make believe toy, only details and subjectivity exist, only the present flow of interactions are operating.

Like when you feel pain, all of your models and all your past abstract thoughts seem like a joke, almost as if you want to say, how wrong I was and what a waste of time, the only true reality is Now, Instant, Random, No model only Event and Sensation of Pain/Pleasure.

Metaphysics is more honest, it says lets just invent models and have fun with them without pretending that they correspond to reality in any way.

In a sense, you don't fight yourself anymore, you don't fight random, events, that which you have no power over anymore, you accept that the world is governed by forces you have no control over, you don't Model it anymore according to some Law or Laws, you just accept it all and deal with them day by day as they come. Since only the history, what happens, the observation is reality, the Models don't work anymore, you can't predict much, you can't force the world to abide to your model, especially you give up fighting or wanting to manipulate other Free Will Gadgets (impossible to manipulate and will always contradict you and even if they don't contradict you, you will contradict yourself, since the Man Brain will force random, quirk, will break the model on purpose, for fun, (maybe unconsciously ?) by itself while fighting desperately to uphold a model that was always false).

In other words, the conflict is between mental Models, desire of control through such, desire to predict and what actually happens, what actually is, history, the details, the random, etc. And obviously all events that deny your expectations are breaking your models of reality: so you are really just fighting yourself, you are fighting your models (which are mostly false) and reality which is mostly independent and random and keeps on making fun and teasing any model of reality you try to contain in your mind. The conflict is between Theory versus Details, Models versus Events, and this is mostly an internal mental conflict within yourself, why doesn't reality abide to my model (or really my commands ?), and you get mad at reality and others when you should just forget all and any models, rules and laws, expectations, desires, and plans, etc.

So that is the deal: either you accept anything that happens just because, or you fight anything by trying to impose the world to conform to an impossible and false model from the outset.

And these models are most models we have: they are the Religious Models, The Scientific Models, the Political and Economic Models, etc.

My metaphor for the QE is that it is like trying to crack open a peanut with a STEAMROLLER ... and FAILING!!!!!

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Yes, I remember last year you were saying, with equally urgent stridency in your posts, that we were then in "crunch time" ...

Here we are in Feb. 2012 and the economy is not collapsing, in spite of your dire warnings and your biased blathering about QE.

I don't need to continue to present counter arguments you ignore. Reality will continue to disprove your panic as paranoia.

Your excessive insistence that disaster is upon us, which you proclaim with ALL CAPITAL LETTERS AND EXCLAMATION MARKS !!!!!! is disproved by actual events.

You need to chill out and enjoy your retirement.

"But, one of them had me roaring with laughter pretty quickly, as she described the "cracker" she'd had earlier. Yep, nothing but contempt for the white woman on her 5th pregnancy, and her stupidity." -wage-

At some point, a woman on her fifth pregnancy begins to deserve contempt. And if they called this woman a "cracker" and say she exhibited "stupidity," that pretty well guarantees that the woman was on public assistance.

Just as a mental exercise, everyone imagine the conversation and the different language that wage's coworkers would have used had the woman been Black.
How about if the woman were Mexican?

How about if the woman was mentally retarded and all of her other 4 offspring (of various mixed races) were visibly defective?
It's just a mental exercise - but the results may surprise you.

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And, speaking of "free" medical care for poor people who go to an ER. It is true that the working poor without insurance will be hounded mercilessly by hospitals and collection agencies - and it is also STUPIDLY true that their bills will be larger than the amounts that they would have been charged if they had HAD insurance.

Beyond that, though, "poor" people on Medicaid DO get free medical care when they show up at an ER. That's probably where the idea of "free" medical care originates. Strange, right?

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One more thing - my private health insurance would harass me and upcharge me if I smoked tobacco. And if I lied about smoking, they would eventually drop me from their insurance coverage.

Medicaid does not do that.

Is that because it's politically incorrect to harass and upcharge the "poor?"

What's up with that?

Is Reality Physics - Mathematics ?

The unreasonable precision with which mathematics describes reality has always puzzled physicists. The reason is most likely because the reality described is not really a reality and is much more so a Technology: an invention, mostly a machine, as most of those equations and interactions and experiments and laws have been furnished by how machines and devices interact with some kind of detached reality, a reality that is in essence pretty far away from nature, if with nature you mean the pure random blind forces operating under nature like inside stars (plasmas), the forces modeling the earth (earthquakes, mountain formation), the weather and most of the random natural events that occur like ocean waves and their exact form and design (can you predict them with mathematical precision ?). Of course we know and can apply mathematics to all of such, we know the general forces and such, but the precision is no longer "unreasonable".

So what scientists do is confuse technology with nature, confuse a mathematical model and description and design of technological machines with nature, as if the technology is nature: but it is not so, technology is a very specifically configured slab of matter that closely follows and abides to mental, linguistic and especially mathematical models: what came first the technological machine and interaction or the mental mathematical model ? Mostly the other way around, the mental mathematical models influenced what kinds of contraptions we would design according to clear cut needs and functions according to how we interact with reality.

SO in essence, there is no "unreasonable precision" of mathematics to reality, but only a mostly reasonable precision of mathematics to machines that interact with reality and confuses us into thinking that they are reality. Like a particle accelerator: are they simply studying an engineered device or really studying the laws of physics ?

Matter is set up so as to express mathematical relationships, so as to emphasize mathematical relationships. Our mathematical models are more than anything mostly machines, mental models of machines that are providing us a function and as such easily lend themselves to models and especially mathematical models. Since the functions and operations the machines must provide have been defined and created within a mental model of reality through language, they already, from the outset have properties that imply models and eventually mathematical, precision models, models where you can apply equations and predictions and perfect them accordingly, but because the function is clearly defined and clearly delimited by language and the model and then mathematical models further delimit and perfect them: and then machines are designed and constructed and experimented within a very controlled and predictable environment, no free wills opposing their forces to what the machines must do, no random forces and quirk details messing up models like what happens in most of real natural systems and not modelized and forced systems carving their function out of reality, by force.

At what point does a technology become a science ? at what point do we confuse a technology with science ? When did computer become "Computer Science" so to say, and is it a Natural Science ? If so then why isn't the game of Chess also simply a Natural Science ? and then why not Soccer or American Football a science ? a real science ? In this respect, we are not the "View from Nowhere" that science supposes it has, we are always the view from somewhere, from someplace, from some cultural or experience reference system, from some language construct, thought construct and memory organization of knowledge implied by a culture, civilization, tribe.

The discrepancies: the three body problem has no analytical solution (no precise solution in mathematical terms), the differential equations describing mathematical physics have very rarely precise, closed form analytical solutions, initial conditions must be imposed but are always iffy, random, not sure and not precise, non linearities abound, chaotic systems discovered, the butterfly effect ? and mostly look around you, can you give me the equation and precise solution that determined a given design of a given mountain ? can you precisely predict the exact shape of the next waveform of an ocean wave ? can you tell me exactly where the next raindrop will fall ? (but then again nature operates by simply yes and no and some intermediate state, it doesn't need precision, it doesn't care about precision, nature is very approximate, likes to make rough approximations like it will rain today or it will not, it doesn't even know or have within itself the precise capability to know, care or even imagine where the exact next raindrop will fall, it knows it only after the fact, nay, not even after the fact, not even history is true, nay, it doesn't and will never know, nothing will ever know, not even knowing itself knows...). These are all the walls of the reference system science is boxed up in, its perfect mathematical viewpoint breaks down as soon as you exit its reference system: in that case only the interaction and measurement and observation gives you some information, but information that rarely can be built upon to create a prediction as in : Thought is the Sickness, Measurements and Observations are the Cure.

When I saw the first pictures of the neural circuits in brains, I was amazed by how random, chaotic and non sensical it seemed, since I was used to digital electronics and Microprocessor Schematics. Now, I know that reality has no sense or logic, only that which we impose upon it by our thought, logic and our own schematics.

So, at what point does a technology become a science ? it is actually Science that is a Technology, in a very subtle way, and we don't notice it, but Science is a Technology: and this is what will be important when we start to directly modify our Mind Brain Design and change the way it works, thinks, its organizations, its sensations, its experiences and such. We will invent a new and real Science, a Science much closer to reality and much more real than anything our Civilization could have even imagined up to now...

TOBOR THE 8 MAN

Amplify Random

Nature alone does create random, quirk, details, fluke details and chaos, turbulence and such. But by creating Free Will Decision Points flung upon the sea of random (through Man Brains and similar structures and Interactors) it can create even more Random it can amplify and create even more hard to predict and patternize details and noise: so many individual and independent logical segments interacting (sometimes ? every now and then ? always etc.?) and colliding, each with their own special mental model or assumed mental model of the world and what their goals are (or sometimes as just an instant reaction in an action reaction circuit ? or sometimes deeply meditated and pondered upon (maybe for years just for one small Decision Point ?)) as in opposition and sometimes as in contribution and accumulation and all the intermediate mixes create a strange mix of random and pattern, strange artificially higher randomized configurations of Matter: as if Matter needs free will decision points to create even more contorted patterns, just look at all the details (cracks on the walls, designs, pebbles on the street, etc.) in buildings in cities as a result of the forces of random and people, etc.

AN EGGMAN

The Laws of Identity and Non Contradiction (should more correctly be named the Principles of Identity and Non Contradiction, since they are the very first principles from which all else is derived from) is in truth a Momentary Lapse of Reasoning "Matter" or "Mass Energy" or more correctly the "Monolithic Slab of Pure Existence as Delimited by Logical Entities" has in order to momentarily observe itself, contradict itself and then vanish again to where it all belongs, namely a place where all contradictions are operating, nothing is identified as distinct from anything else, all is real and fake, and so on, the more absurd and crazy the closer we get to some very remote and vague and indirect approximation of what all of reality is.

Obviously, the above block of text has absolutely nothing to do with what I wanted to say, it is 100 % unrelated, disjoint and not connected or associated with what I wanted to express...good luck in trying to figure out what I wanted to say...

Damnit. A perfectly good post on a contemptible cracker - lost somewhere inside of 8M's, tegmark's, and tobor's explosive verbal diarrhea episode for the night.

Isn't it about time for some Chinese spam, too?
What a weirdass discussion thread this is.


You're a guy who doesn't even acknowledge a disaster until he, personally, has had his world rocked by it. No disaster yet, eh? What do you call it when a large majority of ordinary citizens in a country have unrepayable debts, even if employed, which leads to a permanent state of psychological fear and distress. If you had any empathy, you'd know that this is exactly where the average Joe is right now.

Here in Silicon Valley, kids work 80 hour weeks at low pay because employers hold the specter of a layoff over their heads like a Sword of Damocles.

You're not a very worldly guy and that's why you just sit all day long behind your freaking computer screen fancying that you "know" the condition of average people out there. Look, dude, anyone who can COUNT your average number of posts per day knows you don't have a life so let's quit with the "worldly wise" pose.

An AVERAGE American family owes an entire year's worth of household income in DEBT. What part of "average" do you not understand? What part of the idea that MONEY causes divorce and relationship strain more than any other factor in life. Look it up, dingbat. Job security for people hasn't existed since the 1990s.

But what's the use? People like you can't be convinced by the hardest numbers which indicate the average condition of HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of Americans. One American is Six suffers from HUNGER. You ever been hungry and had nothing to eat? Sixteen percent of your countrymen are in that condition RIGHT NOW. That's a mere 48 million people.

Your point of view is that if you can't see this suffering inside your house or next door, you can afford to rub your VICIOUS "optimism" in people's faces. When you are faced with macro statistics that dismantle your arguments, you answer with anecdotes or "positive" numbers that refer to a sample size that's a thousandth or a millionth of the sample sizes I refer to all of the time.

It's because, if everything is hunky-dory, it justifies not volunteering in your neighborhood, mentoring at an after-school program, or anything else because, after all, "it's all good", right?


E.


对于最尊贵和吉祥总裁

Thank you for the spam, most noble and auspicious presidential candidate, K-dog.

Q will be thrilled that I can now go back to sleep.

I like your website, btw, K.
Keep up the good work.

Information Relationship

Definition of Information Relationship: A set of bits (Observer - Processor) interacting with another set of bits (External Reality).

A set of bits (particles, atoms ? granular chunks of Matter - Mass Energy as distinct moving independent parts interacting and talking to each other) as delimited and defined and assigned as an Observer (a Processor, a brain, or in our case a Man Brain) interacting, colliding, being conditioned by another set of "external" bits, (but external is assigned arbitrarily, there is no in or out, no observer and reality, just a smooth continuous monolithic slab of Matter fooling itself, making believe that it is something else, or something more than what it is, inventing and forcing self delusional relationships upon itself so as to become alive and produce a state of Experience (consciousness, logic, pain/pleasure, you name it), in other words Matter decided to go out and play while it should be sleeping in bed (aka DEAD)) acting as the external reality, the external physical world, the external constraints of an imagined "absolute" physical world acting as the input to the Observer, furnishing signals through sense organs to confirm an external reality (but I have issues with the concept of external reality, since the relationship is not anywhere, is not in any space or time, in any reference system, it is just reciprocally defining itself and interacting with itself, no absolute reference or background hence, there is no external reality, only interactions).


So an observer - processor can be any set of bits having any kinds of connections amongst themselves, any hard wired connections between some bits or groups of bits and the external reality can interact with the Observer (the chunk of Matter designated to undergo a state of Experience and Existence (phase transition into Matter becomes Experience ?), since experience must have some slight intersections with some slight and vague identity principles and non contradictions)) through another set of bits assigned the role of input; external reality through sense organs.

So the possible combinations of these bits, the Observer and the External reality defines all possible ways Matter may undergo the phase transition into Experience. Since the observer can be so many different things and combinations and so can the sense organ inputs in terms of representing the external reality, the number of possible new minds, brains, and essentially Information Relationships is truly infinite.

Just 800 bits, 100 slots of numbers, representing the Observer set of bits can be in 10 ^ 100 different configurations; and a set of 800 bits representing the External Reality can also be in 10 ^ 100 different possible combinations. And the Information Relationship set, the interaction set, the possible - potential interaction set of both groups of bits can be in 10 ^ 200 combinations of possible Experiences and Event states, event phase transitions. And considering that a Man Brain has billions of bits and so does the external reality, you can see how large the combinational state space can really get; and then considering all of the possible delimitations, possible arbitrarily assigned connections between sets of bits both externally and internally, and all the possible rules in terms of cause and effect, or symbols imposed upon the contraption, sequence of signals meanings, possible emotion/feeling/pain/pleasure states, and other ever higher denotations, and indirections and pure inventions, the more wild, impossible and abstract, the more totally incomprehensible and totally mysterious, the better, you can see that there could be trillions upon trillions (a very small number) possible new minds - brains. so the concept of BRANIUM is correct; everything you see and think and anything at all could be the representation of a new brain.

I was thinking about death, about time, about how the age of a person, born 1950 died 1998 for example conveys a sense of reference system, inserts the dead person in an abstract comforting absolute reference system, the illusion of knowing where you are, knowing where the dead are since they are delimited by symbols, symbols keeping a numerical score of that set of experiences that matter underwent when it was "alive". But interestingly the delimitation and reference system is valid only for another mind reading those symbols, inserting them in a system of knowledge etc. It is not valid for the pebble next to the grave, or to any other chunks of matter you see around you, only for those very rare chunks of point like particles considered alive and conscious and considered Man Brains. But then what makes that different from any other arbitrary make believe invention ? If it weren't arbitrary and make believe all particles of the universe would have to be alive and know what those numbers mean, the system would have to be an absolute reference system but this is not the case. So all of our reference systems are make believe phony constructions, hose them they are all telling us lies and make believes.

Parallel time dimensions, partial delimitations, multidimensional space, wildly contradictory logic, the goal is to lose yourself and all reference systems and not find yourself anywhere. Even just two bits are infinitely far from each other, totally non related, we force a relationship and look at them as one, as being something but they are both lost forever and infinitely far away from each other and completely disjoint.

The entire idea of a parallel universe is not even important since the Information Relationship equivalent to visiting a parallel universe can be assigned and imposed upon matter by the exact same configuration of set of bits that that event would have onto a machine (the Processor ? Observer ? the Man Brain ?) that executes pure Information Relationships (the substrate of the machine and the bits is irrelevant, just the relationship is relevant). So it is with space travel and time travel, you can visit anything simply creating the exact same combination of bits corresponding to the equivalent experience.

And as a corollary this demonstrates that space and time is irrelevant, there is no external world since the sequence of configuration of bits that transit from point A to point B can be a sequence of different pictures in time, or space, or any other sequence of pictures defined according to any other kind of rule of transportation, even completely new kinds of transits from a picture to the next, not only through time and space, but through X and Y and invent another trillions of new dimensions, transit paths, transit rules (any sequence of pictures can be mapped upon new transit rules and properties, just because) defining new imaginary "external dimensions" hence external worlds, so then we go in the opposite direction, not only does an external world exist, but a hyper external world exists even compared to the standard external world, and so on, hyper hyper external worlds constructed upon the basis of the rules of transit arbitrarily assigned and equivalent to physical dimensions or analogous to physical dimension of extensions like space and time, etc.

Corresponding correspondence of bits.

Words are tags, a set of tags is a thought, concept, meanings, but words can be associated to any delimitation of bits (and notice we don't use the words particles or electrons or atoms, as it doesn't matter how matter is subdivided, or how many subparticles may be discovered, a bit is simply a small chunk of matter); but the bit itself can be a macro item, a story, an event, anything, and anything can be defined within and as a part of or being part of anything else. Reductionism no longer applies, something is not composed of something else, or associated with something else, all is just put in a bag, a bag of tags that can be read in any sequence at all, or in parallel, or partly parallel and partly sequentially, you name it. So the composition of a denotation of an indirection doesn't necessarily have to be a sequence of symbols, but a set of tags, like reading a trillion page book in a jiffy, in parallel, etc. Now, what did I want to say ? I don't remember, or maybe I didn't have anything to say ? And why does it matter if some other chunk of matter reads this drivel ? why must something be confirmed in another point of space and time by another observer ? is matter not sure of itself ? does matter need ever more security to really believe that it is valid in more than one mind, that a multitude of Observers, observing and decoding the same or similar things is more comforting for matter that decided to go out and play ? Or wouldn't it be more comforting if every observer was completely different and totally disjoint form any other, a multitude of Information Relationships not communicating.

The transition from fixed brain to variable brain (the brain is no longer an independent variable) from the invariant word we live in to the new invariant world for the new world the new brain lives in disconnects the two universes from each other: history no longer exists, space and time no longer exist, the two affairs are disjoint, cannot communicate between each other because they are not supposed to, by definition, the two things having nothing to do with each other. And so, even in this case we see how our arbitrary structures, history, space and time and all of memory segments designing reality are just toys, are just signs written on a slab of matter to make believe that they are somehow real, that they correspond to some absolute reference system when all they are are make believe crystallization of rules and experiences so as to furnish a constant path of navigation of reality to the experiencing brain and nothing more; as the brain gradually transits from one design to another, from one configuration to a new configuration it cannot follow its own transformations, it must relinquish control and it must stop being a free will gadget: it doesn't know who or what designed its invariant parts, something external, outside, something independent from it designed it, but that independence is disconnected from its internal memory hence reference system and so it always has a partial view of the universe, nay, there is no global view, only so many different partial views since in order to see the entire view it would have to be a variable brain gradually transforming itself into all possible brain designs and remembering all the paths necessary to obtain each new brain designing and comparing them to what ? to nothing, since you always have to arbitrarily choose which memory segment will become the invariant, the reference system.

As a new design is produced and that brain still contains a free will gadget that is in relinquish mode, it is unaware of its past history, of its origin and story as understood in the designing brains reference system ( but just like we will be always unaware of the past history that designed our brain as understood in "Natural Evolution's" reference system (and how can blind forces have a reference system ? wow that must be so totally disjoint from us!)).

Each memory sign is a new reference system to which each new memory sign will be compared to and will reinforce a virtual make believe "reference system" to which that brain - Matter Undergoing Experience is anchored to; the memory segment, no matter how long, how perfect, how well tuned and synchronized to the pain/pleasure/feelings/cause and effects that arbitrarily designed contraption possesses, is always just a short story, only a partial story, so partial that the length of the story is vanishingly small, as the number of combination of new possible brains is so huge.

So when you go to the cemetery and see born 1944 died 1978 remember that that is just a short memory segment as defined by our reference systems: that slab of matter was never born and never died, never lived in any geographical position and never even lived, we are just petting our memory.

And as you see, I am like the first DNA molecule, the first molecule to which then all the other molecules of life evolved to: the idea of the brain becoming a variable is like the first DNA molecule of life: it will open up so many new universes, but also close ours up forever and forever shatter all of our certainties as no certainty will ever be possible again, unless you erase you memory, which can be done and should be done since the memory sings creating reference systems are simply a kind of write only memory: anything can be written to your or that or any memory and create a new reference system and anything can become absolutely true or false or anything at all.

I know, I understand, would you relinquish control and stick chips in your brain ? would you choose to end you existence as a free will gadget ? no way jose' ! we (or you ? or it ?) are our reference system, we are our memory and rules of engagements and interactions, etc. By sticking wild stuff inside the contraption we have at the top end of our body we would become something else, or something unknown and who wants that ?!?! but it has been done, everything you see is a modified brain as in Brainium, or it is being done gradually with all of these electronic gadgets surrounding us, or maybe it started as soon as we started writing down our memory and as soon as we started executing abstract logic upon the material world.

But this is simply the end result of thousands of years of increased rationality: sooner or later reason and rationality will want to dismantle itself to see what is inside of itself, it is the natural outcome of our present universe, as our universe is only us using and describing it and nothing else.

Now, is that what I wanted to say ? I don't even remember.. and I thought I had something else to say, a whole bunch of other things to say, but I get confused and forget or remember something that I never thought in the first place, and I loose a lot of these blocks of text, I erase them and they go away...

Indirection

Be cryptic, be hard to understand, dazzle and confuse people, make it seem as if you are saying something deep (what a joke, deep doesn't and can't exist as all is a segment of logic, a set of associations, a sequence of symbols, hence a painting, a picture nothing else) making it seem as if you know oh, so much more, you have constructed complex logical segments that have made you see through all and understand all: in essence make them worship a logical segment that they cannot understand fully, as that is what we all want, something that is unclear and mysterious, that leaves open the door to some further, deeper, unknown and therefore more exciting and adventurous and mysterious meanings that can imply so many other things and activities and behaviors and causes and effects and possible pain/pleasure segments and sequences, etc.

The indirection starts from birth since you have to become aware that an outside world exists with its logical consequences, the first and strongest indirection, something that exists although you don't touch it (strange I said that ? but touch is the most concrete thing between baby and mommy, actually that is the real justification and reinforcing of all other more abstract and indirect pain/pleasure events!), is your mommy and all the interactions with this thing outside of you starts to create a complete logical map, you realize that you are not some independent purely subjective entity that is sufficient of itself and can live in a bubble of its own self, it needs to and starts to interact with external signals and symbols and behavioral patterns, you start to know that that thing outside of you is similar to you in some ways, and you slowly learn that it is like you just different and just a multiple image of yourself, another version of another contraption that has pain/pleasure/logic/cause and effect, etc. And so the master denotations and indirections and signals and symbols become engraved on the Man Brain and its memory and behavioral pattern circuits, etc.

Like an atom, an electron and nucleus already have a slight indirection they know that they are a reciprocal reference system to each other, each defines the other in terms of how they are related and how they are hard wired to interact and behave between each other. Each becomes aware that the other is outside of itself, is an external chunk (of logical segment ?) of matter, and indirect external world where they don't touch but know that each other are there otherwise matter would disintegrate. But it has very few degrees of freedom within which to move whereas interactions between complex large chunks of matter like people have many degrees of freedom within which to move and interact (and you can see how the limits of degrees of freedom becomes a variable from one extreme to another and can be anything in between and anything can be set up as an indirection to anything else, etc.). And that is the indirection, you know that something outside is there, but you cannot touch it, but through contorted signals the something outside can respond and deliver some small events of pain/pleasure and such, and you project your own pain/pleasure on the outside device and feel for it, you become aware of the importance of that other devices pain/pleasure but it is just a ghost an indirection since when you fight a war you disconnect those logical circuits and go with it carelessly (or when you fight your "enemy", as friend and enemy are designated only through logic, logic is what defines our reference system but logic disintegrates itself if pushed to the limits of itself).

I saw the priest talk about Jesus and he loves you and you love him and so on, he was completely worked up on all of this insane BS, he was worshiping a logical segment, a sequence of symbols, a set of associations, not the content of his words, which really have and are no content, but just as the first denotations justify themselves, so do all the others, ever more detached and abstract, ever more degrees of freedom, ever more possible associations, meanings, abstractions all connected to imaginary (and occasionally real pain/pleasure events as to become finally real, as the only thing that is not a denotation is the pain/pleasure event, not all the rules and logical segments and rules of engagements necessary to obtain small pain/pleasure events).

And when you contradict the religious types they will reply: do you love your children and things like that as to say, do you believe in an indirection ? how can you believe in something invisible ? if you believe in that indirection than you can and must believe in the other indirection that god exists, that other people exist, that good and bad exists. Or also, if you believe arbitrarily in one indirection how do you justify not believing in any other, no matter how far out, indirection ? because you choose to believe in A and not in B, but it is not justified in any way, it is an arbitrary choice not based on anything at all but your free will and random, fluke quirk choice that has no better or deeper value than the choice of believing in god.

If one indirection exists and is justified then all of them are justified, if one indirection is operating all of them are operating and each can reinforce each other, you believe in god, hence in good and bad hence in helping the poor and so on and each becomes a tag of a logical segment reinforcing itself, worshiping itself as indirection really means worshiping some special logical segment but most of all we worship logic, the association, the cause and effect (and the confirming occasional events of pain/pleasure (and the further occasional invented pain/pleasure events in terms of internal feelings and emotions? but these are really make believe arbitrary connections with no justification whatsoever)) and how it is connected to outside elements and events and entities, we are constantly fascinated and dazzled by how logic makes us clearly interpret and decode indirections.

Of course all is logic, in war you kill someone, another will power gadget, another person, but you don't kill your son, but the difference between them is all based on the principle of identity and non contradiction: you are not going to get confused and make a mistake between an unknown soldier and someone you "love", and yet the action is simply the elimination of another human with all that that should mean in terms of denotations and values: and yet, it is ok, we create and reinforce differences, we worship our subjectivity (that is what everyone does, so it is a rule of engagement of society).

after all, "it's all good", right?

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Right. It is what it is. I don't fight with reality as an individual.

You must think that you have the power to change reality (by volunteering and mentoring?)

Go ahead... do what you must. See if you can change society. See if you can change the economy. As individuals we cannot make those changes. But collectively we can.

You want positive change? Vote for Jill Stein

"So atoms are perfect mathematical equations. Matter is mathematics. So a completely simulated universe on a computer is just as real as ours. So reality is base on pure logic-mathematical systems and there are no other "metaphysical" aspects to matter-reality. Well then this reality is completely abstract and senseless, it is just a series of Feynman Integrals describing particle interactions. No, I think this is completely wrong, atoms have cracks on them, just like walls, and the level of details and complexities of the real world is infinite. What is at the center of an electron? what is the world like at 10^-100000000 mm size level ?"

Atoms are full of wild cracks all over them, they are crazy entities, so much crazy and wild random detail and all of those bozos want to describe them with equations!?!? I can't believe it...

TOBOR THE 8 MAN

You do it all the time. Everytime you talk about this subject - all fault is our's and none their's. Same with the Blacks. And you actually think that's being kind, charitable, and just - to treat men like they were children or beasts beneath the level of moral choice and responsibility.


Asoka said:
You must think that you have the power to change reality (by volunteering and mentoring?)

Go ahead... do what you must. See if you can change society. See if you can change the economy. As individuals we cannot make those changes. But collectively we can.
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We can only change things collectively if we take it upon ourselves to ACT individually. You don't leave it up to the "other guy". The only real "spirituality" is ACTION. Talk is bullshit. I'd rather feed a few people for a few weeks than talk a blue streak of blue sky on a fucking blog. Feeding, clothing, and housing people is where it's at.


E.


This site gets more humorous all the time. We have at least a couple of (probably) certifiable schizoids who write to themselves. We have Chinese invaders writing pictographic blog entries. We have a few people whose posting rate is over 20 per day with spurts that can reach 30 or 40. We have at least a few religious zealots and a more or less permanent race war.

Little wonder that good guys like BeantownBill seem to slowly, ever so slowly, drift away by reducing their posting rate little by little.

I've seen blogs get born and I've seen 'em die. I think this sucker, if not dead in actuality, will be on the critical list within a year. It's already in such a state that most of the smart people like LBendet or Ozone find themselves constantly having to back-and-forth with the two or three quasi-trolls who "live" here.

Oh, the blog will probably exist but I'm seeing "exit creep" already. The best posters have slowed down while the nutters and 20-a-day imps appear to post 75% of the total number of lines. Not a good sign.

E.

"We can only change things collectively if we take it upon ourselves to ACT individually."

People feeding, clothing and housing themselves is where its at. This way, "collectively" lasts more than a few weeks.

"My metaphor for the QE is that it is like trying to crack open a peanut with a STEAMROLLER ... and FAILING!!!!!"

The chinese used to say something like, the beginning of wisdom is found in calling things by their real name.

QE is theft. It is on a scale so large as to be incomprehensible to the average person. Most people assume if they have more money, they have more wealth.

This is how inflation robs us. Those who get first use of the money still enjoy the "buying power" of previously issued money. But as it moves through the economy it competes with all the other money, and loses [ buying power ].

An analogy is eating [ what appears to be ] food with less nourishment in it. It seems beneficial because it looks as good or better than what we have been eating but it actually contains less of what we need to prosper.

Intrinsic value *can be* found in food, money and people.

"Of course, without having to pay for the war machine, the tax burden will be cut in half."

Or, the welfare system could be doubled. Since halfing the tax burden is something Ron Paul would agree with, big goobermint types must find another excuse [ the terror of poverty ?! ] to keep the welfare state funded.


E.,
You can perhaps see why I believe that the blogovian jive talkin' (that has been raised to a consistent howling recently) is "organized" and deliberate. (Not the content, the tactic.)

JHK's ideas are in direct opposition to dumbed-down, feel-good, self-jiving, status quo bullshittery that 'murkins have adjusted their social/political tuners to, dialing in that high-wattage stream of rainbows, unicorns, new-car smell, priapistic erections and Twinkies.

It's a danger to the M.I.C. and therefor any exchange of ideas ON these subjects must be diluted and driven off with a tactic that provides plausible deniability. (Hence the veritable flood of septic waste that, like most 3-yr-olds, unendingly "demands" response/attention. Most 'murkins understand and react to this at a reptilian level, because it's their indoctrinated M.O.)

"Is it just me, or is it FUCKING CRAZY in here?" -HeyZeus the Lawgibber most Shiniest

"Sixteen trillion dollars!"

The half has not been told [ by Bloomberg ]:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1023-financial-tyranny

Wow! Did someone give 8man, tabor, old69 an espresso machine? GIT YER OWN BLOG, DUDES. (I know, its only one person with multi personality syndrome).

But seriosly, you are taking up WAY too much posting space here, I have to wait a long time just for the dam page to load so I can go to the signon and then wait again for it to load so I can post.
Then wait again for it to load after I post so I can sign off.

Geez.

And Asoka, whats his name is right, QE is just paying debt with more debt. At some point it has to come to a stop. For ex, I know someone once a long time ago who just paid one credit card off another, until the debt became un-payable and he had to declare bankruptcy. The same will eventually happen to the USA, either hyper inflation or just a huge crash. At some point, like even now, the Chinese will just stop buying US dept, such as Treasuries. What will happen when the US owes the world Umteen Quadrillion dollars is anybodies guess. Will the dollar become devalued so that $1000=current $.01? Who knows. But this cant keep going on, at some point, all Ponzi schemes collapse, just ask Unka Bernie.

And I do agree that being below the tax level is great to starve the war machine. And if the US would just shift a small part of the money spent on DEATH, we could have universal healthcare, free for every citizen. But that won't happen because it will deprives some insurance CEO of his bonuses.

Like i have said before, the US is a madhouse, with the most sociopathic inmates running things.
I really don't have much hope of change, or of things getting better there, the greed is too inset into the system. The ruling class will rather die than have any kind of change that doesn't benefit them. The US will just become openly Facist, or collapse completely. I just don't see much hope for anything else.

;(

Oh, I forgot to say:
HAVEANICEDAYNOW!
;)

"Your point of view is that if you can't see this suffering inside your house or next door, you can afford to rub your VICIOUS "optimism" in people's faces." -E.

Great descriptor, "vicious optimism". Draped in the thick tarp of spiritual smoothiness, no less.
Relaaaaaax, "it's all good"!

Yes, E.

We sure have our blog hogs on this site. I generally don't try to reason with the unreasonable--it's just too tiresome and there's so many issues to address that are big big problems we have to recognize in order collectively understand the nature of this soft totalitarian state. I call it corporate communism with a mink glove, but it's coming off.
If the American people vote in the Republican, they may never again. Why? Because they will usher in an age of extreme revisionism, revanchism, and turn back the clock to sometime before the 20th century because they must wipe out the age of Progressives.

Now we all understand tat you could count on both hands the only public figures, economists and politicians who are not neoliberal "free" in name only traitors. That's why the Demos say nothing about the corporate commies and Bernanake.

When O got in office I was shocked that he got rid of his original team and brought back the Clintonistas. I wrote to him begging not to put in Summers, but to no avail. Yes, he replaced his team for "the Untouchables" and that's what runs the global financial fraud.--Can't say anything about that 'cus the whole house of cards falls.
What money could we use to fight the next war, coming to you in the months ahead..?

Of course the cow-pie thrower, Repugs will point out the Bernanke problem simply in reaction to Obama, not because they have any scruples of their own.

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Asoka,
Good point about the Repugs fight against the ladies. Yep, they are attacking the poor, who they think nobody cares about in the Christianist country. Susan G. Komen is the next front to take healthcare away for the poor.--I let them know I will no longer give them donations. There are other options....

"A short addendum ... the thieves at the Fed were so stupid that Bloomberg found the missing "footprints" of the Fed's unauthorized activities at the GAO ... the Government Accounting Office.

Did they want to get caught or, more likely, once they got away with a few good-sized thefts they figure they could go the whole magilla."

E.,
I see it as more "normalization" of criminal and Unconstitutional behavior. If no public indictments or outcry is forthcoming from the "judicial" (I use the term advisedly) establishment, it becomes just another way of "doing bid'ness", and precedence dilutes its' very criminality.

In other words, very nefarious Jive!












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Old Jive:

"Today, Diego Garcia is crucial to America's and Britain's war on democracy. The heaviest bombing of Iraq and Afghanistan was launched from its vast airstrips, beyond which the islanders' abandoned cemetery and church stand like archaeological ruins. The terraced garden where Lisette laughed for the camera is now a fortress housing the "bunker-busting" bombs carried by bat-shaped B-2 aircraft to targets in two continents; an attack on Iran will start here. As if to complete the emblem of rampant, criminal power, the CIA added a Guantanamo-style prison for its "rendition" victims and called it Camp Justice.

What was done to Lisette's paradise has an urgent and universal meaning, for it represents the violent, ruthless nature of a whole system behind its democratic facade, and the scale of our own indoctrination to its messianic assumptions, described by Harold Pinter as a "brilliant, even witty, highly successful act of hypnosis." Longer and bloodier than any war since 1945, waged with demonic weapons and a gangsterism dressed as economic policy and sometimes known as globalisation, the war on democracy is unmentionable in western elite circles. As Pinter wrote, "it never happened even while it was happening".

http://www.johnpilger.com/articles/the-world-war-on-democracy

Please remember that all this nation's exponentially increasing debt is denominated in petro-dollars. Can you make the connection to the demonization of Iran by the chief jive-talkers?

Our esteemed Benjamins' only backing is the oil trade. That's the salient fact behind ALL this warring on brown people that happen to have the misfortune to be sitting atop our oil. Without that backing the dollar will have no value whatsoever. Regime change to a more "pliant client" anyone?

Ozone, you cannot agree with E. that jobs being added are all fast food jobs? That is clearly VICIOUS PESSIMISM, besides being a willful ignoring of real data, as if manufacturing is not returning.

The U.S. economy just added 243,000 jobs in January as the unemployment rate fell to 8.3 percent, the highest in nine months.

Are you going to agree with E. that all those jobs are fast food?

Last month everyone on CFN was saying, "Oh, it's just a seasonal employmnent high from Christmas."

Wrong.

Realists do not deny data. Look up the meaning of data.

CORRECTION

The U.S. economy just added 243,000 jobs in January as the unemployment rate fell to 8.3 percent, the highest NUMBER OF JOBS ADDED in nine months.

Don't fall for E.'s misanthropy which biases his view of reality.

Unemployment could be at 3% and he would be bitching about it: as if the 97% employed are all working at McDonalds!

yeah, i ve worried for years now that what ll happen is that china will call in 'our' debt, which will lead inevitably to default; in which case we will be forced to withdraw from the world's markets- leaving the dollar as money only here...

CORRECTION

Realists do not deny data.

Look up the meaning of data, THE ORIGINAL MEANING, FROM LATIN.

Worrying? The world's currency has been other than the dollar many times in history. When an empire ends, the country does not. You are worrying about nothing.

13th century ... the fiorino

15th century ... the ducato

17th and 18th centuries ... the guilder

19th century ... the pounds sterling

Check out an atlas. You will find that when a country's currency is no longer the dominant world currency, that country does not disappear from the face of the earth. That country does not enter into dire poverty.

In fact, the standard of living in countries not having a dominant currency may be superior to that of the country having the world's dominant currency.

Don't worry, be happy!

Someone ululated?
Continued uncritical belief in the BAU growth paradigm is not just counter-productive, it's become a dangerous blindness.

Prepare, if you think "another think" is coming; skip it, if you think things will continue to chug merrily along and "growth" will recommence. Fiddling Grasshopperism is no longer my concern.

Me? It's pretty simple. I read the giant lettering on the factory wall, and thereby deduce the general trendings. I'm no seer, I just don't believe everything I'm told to believe, or is "good for me" to believe. If it sounds too good to be true, (etc.)...

DON'T TRY AND JIVE ME! That would be a waste of time for the statistically obsessed.

Old Jive:

"Today, Diego Garcia is crucial to America's and Britain's war on democracy. The heaviest bombing of Iraq and Afghanistan was launched from its vast airstrips, beyond which the islanders' abandoned cemetery and church stand like archaeological ruins. The terraced garden where Lisette laughed for the camera is now a fortress housing the "bunker-busting" bombs carried by bat-shaped B-2 aircraft to targets in two continents; an attack on Iran will start here. As if to complete the emblem of rampant, criminal power, the CIA added a Guantanamo-style prison for its "rendition" victims and called it Camp Justice.

What was done to Lisette's paradise has an urgent and universal meaning, for it represents the violent, ruthless nature of a whole system behind its democratic facade, and the scale of our own indoctrination to its messianic assumptions, described by Harold Pinter as a "brilliant, even witty, highly successful act of hypnosis." Longer and bloodier than any war since 1945, waged with demonic weapons and a gangsterism dressed as economic policy and sometimes known as globalisation, the war on democracy is unmentionable in western elite circles. As Pinter wrote, "it never happened even while it was happening".

http://www.johnpilger.com/articles/the-world-war-on-democracy
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The willful ignorance of Americans is willful criminality. These things are in their face, and yet they refuse to acknowledge it. And this has been going on for years and decades.

"Little wonder that good guys like BeantownBill seem to slowly, ever so slowly, drift away by reducing their posting rate little by little."
-e-

Concur, E. I would like to know the number of posters, sort of like BTB, who have come through and battled with it for a while - before simply leaving in disgust or disinterest. Of course I'd also like to know why some of us stick with it and continue to post through the static and the sh*tstorms. I'm telling you, a blog like this would be fertile ground for some interesting psychological research.

And you are correct, E, when you say: "We have at least a few religious zealots and a more or less permanent race war."

Then only addendum I will add is that this state of affairs will likely BE reflected in real life in the US of A, post-collapse. (Heck, it already exists here now, in certain quarters.) And remember that JHK's fiction also reflects this belief, so it may be wise to consider it now on CFN, in the abstract.
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One more thing for the whole thread -
Learn to use the "Find" function on your browser. You can type in a poster's handle, or key remembered phrases, to zoom over the huge blocks of verbal diarrhea deposited, for example, by the 8man and his cyber army of dufuses.

Especially useful skill, after an initial flight through "scroll over country," to go back and find a post that you'd like to reread or respond to.


Hi Wage,
WOW! I can hardly fathom how I relocated that post in the midst of a sea of drool. Persistence is its' own curse, I guess. ;o)

At any rate:
I had looked into the styro-form building technique, and after adding up the costs, found it to be [at least] half again the total of conventional construction (with 10' foundation, heavily insulated 2x6 exterior walls, lots of micro-lams, large roofing members, and REAL plywood). This house is quite a bit more costly than your typical McMansion [initially], and STILL the styro-concrete far surpasses those costs. One would have to be very well-endowed financially to afford anything more than a 1000 sq. ft. uncomplicated box of an abode with this technique (including basement, of course). ...And THEN we get to pain-in-the-ass plumbing and wiring, and exterior, interior cladding! ;o) They always make that part look "easy", but guess what?

I can't deny the R-value attraction, but it was highly unaffordable. (And I ain't cheap when it comes to solid, lasting construction.)

I don't believe everything I'm told on CFN ...

Especially, if it sounds too bad to be true ...

Once again, you're wrong, prog.

We laugh at stupid people, no matter what race.

Actually, we had a dumbass Mexican immigrant in with her baby, and she made all of us mad, even the interpretor.

So, as I said, once again, you're wrong.

There is no political correctness in an ER.

Soon we shall hear of the self-aggrandizing wonderfulness of adobe huts, and the accruing wonderfulness of anyONE associated with 'em!

It's wonderful, I tells ya, and absolutely proves the purity and piety of those practicing these techniques. Listen to them with close reverence; they're better people than you or I will ever be!

And your "mental exercise" game shows how you right wingers work. And yes, now I'm lumping you with newworld, Marlin and Caleb.

Imagine what people would think or say,and then get indignant about what your imaginary people think or say.

Then get self-righteous, then get hostile.

Then post a hate-filled screed on CFN.

Thank you, Ozone. There's always a catch!

When I was a child, we went to the LA County Fair every year.

The hucksters were out in force, and we bought a few wonderful items over the years.

They never worked for us as well as they did for the presenters.

aaah, bach! fantastic, yo, thankyou veddy much prog! this saves my scrolling thumb fer sure...!

Wow! That was an incredibly sad article. And Vlad wonders why I get so pissed off at the US ruling class, and its hired killers.

DOW UP 130 THIS MORNING, ACCORDING TO NPR.