The Cookie Crumbles


     A lot can happen in two weeks, which is what remains before the glorious orgy of gifts, sugar plums, and roast goose. Imagine what a global bank run would do for that ole holiday spirit - not to mention the GDPs of the world. Oh, weeping celestial choirs! I suppose we generally assume that God Almighty himself would move heaven and Earth to prevent such a dire convergence of Christmas and a banking collapse, but perhaps the Old Diety is asleep at the switch like the US Department of Justice, the SEC, and a whole alphabet load of other watchful regulators in this, our only known universe.
     Reality is a harsh mistress. She insists that you pay attention and then, having done so, take care of business. Politics, on the other hand, is more like stage magic. The man in the tuxedo is always trying to divert your attention. The world has run out of money, that is credible money of the type that represents real wealth, and yet is up to its ears in paper representations of putative wealth-like stuff: mortgages, credit default swaps, Gold ETFs, synthetic CDOs, naked shorts, bonds of all sorts. And now, alas, at Christmas time, the world has gotten a margin call and needs to fork over a whole lot of collateral in order to demonstrate that the global system of financial obligations is legit. Only the collateral turns out to be all this dubious paper, really just a bouquet of promises to pay in distant future Tuesdays for trillions of hamburgers today.
     Nobody who observed the proceedings in last week's European Union talks came away from that spectacle feeling reassured. Brussels is like a ventriloquist's dummy sitting on Germany's knee. Germany cannot just step up and act like the Boss of Europe. Too many bad memories of an earlier instance, when a gang of maniacs wearing uniforms studded with grinning totenkopf insignia turned the whole region into a charnel house. So, Germany has to pretend to speak through Brussels. The message was: listen up all y'all nations of the Eurozone!  Prepare to live on a whole lot less than you're used to! Do not exceed your borrowing and spending! Or else!
     Yes, the lingering question: or else...what?
     It is safe to say that nobody believed this mummery. Anyway, Great Britain (a.k.a. Old Blighty) simply checked out. The sceptered isle is now Europe's dog-house. They stayed out of the Euro currency for a reason: so that their equivalent of Wall Street, the City of London, could short the shit out of it when the time came, a strategy that begins to look absolutely brilliant - except considering what Old Blighty is otherwise left with as an economy: Scotch whiskey, mints, and a whole lot of Hallel grocery shops, with the Royals as window dressing. (I'd sooner invest in Argentina, with its amber waves of grain.)
     The old animosities are leaking out of Pandora's History Box. Stolid Angela Merkel is stepping on Nikolas Sarkozy's size 14 ½  neck - how long before he starts to buck and holler? The astrologasters cannot come up with any math that shows Italy can meet its forthcoming debt payments. But they are only the leaders of a deadbeat posse that includes virtually everybody else in EuroClub, except perhaps Holland, Germany, and Finland. Could they really start beating up on each other with armies again? It would appear unthinkable. But that is exactly why the First World War destroyed the morale of Western Civ in 1914, too, after the Long Peace that followed the Napoleonic Wars. You're standing there on a lovely street corner in Verdun and the unthinkable whaps you upside the head. So much for the quality of advanced thinking in the Modern Age. Maybe its Poland's turns to rule the world?
     In any case, the storyline is as much about the banks as the nations they are in. The banks are at the point where they can conduct business with each other only by pretending that exchanges of value are taking place. Nobody sees any lines of depositors forming on the sidewalks outside their branch offices, but then again nobody can see the digital zeros and ones streaming through the fiber-optic cable, either, and that's certainly where the action is. For the moment that action has a direct line into the perceived greater safety of Wall Street. Oh, yeah, follow Jim Cramer's advice and buy buy buy. Invest in a nation of lawless slobs with a two-second attention span oscillating between Nascar and the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
     Did you catch President Obama on 60 Minutes last night. Charming fellow. Sincere and even purposeful, too. But displaying a big patch of cluelessness, like virtually everybody else in a position of authority in this benighted land. The President intimates that we will surely return to the turbo economy of a fast-receding yore. He is missing something big there. We are not going back to that. The fiesta is over. And his job is not to try to go back there, because it is impossible. His job was to lead an epochal re-set of the economy to a very different disposition of things, smaller, finer, more local. It is so far outside the box he's in that light-years cannot even begin to describe the distances involved. And I completely dismiss his claim that the reason no prosecution of Wall Street misconduct happened was because, however odious their schemes and scams were, they were technically legal.
     Anyway, I'm already looking forward to the nominating conventions of next summer, when angry mobs of the swindled and desperate descend on Charlotte and Tampa like ravaging locusts. Won't that be a wake up call!
     And now to bake all my Christmas Cookies.
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Modern industrial civilization is failing, a fact which is increasingly clear for anyone who has their eyes open. Most people are still living with their heads in the sand, though. For the rest of us, now is the time to prepare and get ready for the inevitable.

Visit the Leibowitz Society at http://leibowitzsociety.blogspot.com/2011/12/complexities.html for discussion and information related to our coming collapse.

"I'm already looking forward to the nominating conventions of next summer, when angry mobs of the swindled and desperate descend on Charlotte and Tampa like ravaging locusts. Won't that be a wake up call!"

The Occupy Movement should be thinking that far ahead. However, they'll still be using nonviolent tactics. The police will provide the violence. Would you like some pepper spray with that?

Over at Crazy Eddie's Motie News, I've been taking a lighter tack this month while exploring the theme of gifts, but I'm still examining disasters. One of the posts reviewed "Ten American Dystopias" from io9. Unfortunately, none of James's works made the cut, although there were enough post-collapse films and books on the list. I wonder if he's considered attending science fiction conventions? Speaking of disasters, I've also looked at Newt Gingrich, Herman Cain, and asteroids striking the Earth. That would have been a great set up for a Karnak joke, wouldn't it?

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Hubris is the key to our past and our future. Enjoy the new world that is coming, James.

http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/an-incredible-journey-the-hubris-of-kepler-22-b/

kulturcritic

The "old Deity" is more enthralled with Tim Tebow now that "Dancing with the Stars " is over.

Well the Wal-mart here in Belleville, Ontario is now open 24/7 and it seems as if the good times are back, judging by the impressively full parking lot, at 3am no less. I think the poop is going to hit the fan this coming year in a very nasty way. Even dudes like me, with cushy, 'safe' jobs like high school teacher are going to have their world rocked soon. I don't think many of my confreres are emotionally prepared for the profound changes coming. Makes me glad I put down my preserves this fall. Is it too early to get into the eggnog? See all you fellow doomers on the other side, peace!

Ilargi over at The Automatic Earth suggests that everyone should withdraw cash equal to whatever they were planning to spend on Xmas gifts and celebrations, just to make sure they have some on hand in case the banks freeze up. I just might.

Happy holidays, everyone.

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job was to lead an epochal re-set of the economy to a very different disposition of things, smaller, finer, more local.....

Beautiful, and that means laying off the cheap imported crap, looking for quality over quantity, supporting demand for domestically produced items even it means having to re-purpose things in the transition.


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"I'm already looking forward to the nominating conventions of next summer, when angry mobs of the swindled and desperate descend on Charlotte and Tampa like ravaging locusts."

That would be a sight to behold but I'm wouldn't bet on it. Everyone and their dog will likely continue believing in the fairy tale of never ending growth and the twin gods of Progress and Technology and will fail to realize what is happening, so complete is our self delusion. The mobs will probably vote in a Party in that will make matters worse. No one ever lost anything underestimating the intelligence of the American voter.


"Anyway, I'm already looking forward to the nominating conventions of next summer, when angry mobs of the swindled and desperate descend on Charlotte and Tampa like ravaging locusts. Won't that be a wake up call!"
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JHK once again recognizes the poignancy of late shenanigans, although there's not much new to say; folks who see these things unfolding have outlined them as clearly possible; thus, the only question worth asking: What will be the substance and scope of protests sure to come in 2012?

Head cracking is sure to escalate.

ABSALOM

What kind of cookies are you baking?

:)

I can hear Angela Merkel now in her germanic accent telling the rest of the EuroZOne


"Fur Yew Zee party's ova, ya."

LOL @ the popeye reference

Not Poland! Please not Poland. How about we make Monaco leader of the world with casinos, fairy princesses, toy soldiers and legal tax evasion as the new World Order?

Good call on Argentina, Britain is a synthesis of rule between Bankster elite and Campus Kid "Diversity" utopian non-sense. Not a stretch to believe one day that the elite get on their jets and follow their digital money leaving the chavs and followers of the prophet to battle it out for a cold rainy island.

Here's a fascinating tour of European governments over the post-war years, courtesy of the Guardian:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2011/jul/28/europe-politics-interactive-map-left-right

Interesting how almost all Europe is now "right" (which they designate as blue contrary to US convention). I puuledthis up after reading Paul Krugman's column this morning where he argues that belief in democracy is fading across Europe, and that Hungary seems to be descending into full-blown Fascism (and he didn't even mention Putin). When a mainstream pundit like Krugman starts to sound like CFN, it's time to be worried.

I do not forsee a new war in Europand if there is one it will not last long, tere e, ifis not enough capital left to finance one, nor is there the requisit industrial capicity or raw materials, for much of a modern war. It is clear however that the european experiment over, what come next will be a return to feudalism, albeit post industrial.

"Anyway, I'm already looking forward to the nominating conventions of next summer, when angry mobs of the swindled and desperate descend on Charlotte and Tampa like ravaging locusts. Won't that be a wake up call!"

Don't count on seeing them there. They will all be watching it on TV from the FEMA Camp Archipelago in various remote sites in the US.

Hugh C.: "Well the Wal-mart here in Belleville, Ontario is now open 24/7"

Greetings from Windsor! Where they are busily spending $1.4 billion on extending Highway 401 the last few kilometers to the border with Detroit, in the fervent expectation that a new bridge will be built in the next few years to accommodate the expected growth of traffic. Well, we'll see about that, won't we?

What's extra fun is that the financing for this new monstrosity called the Windsor-Essex Parkway was coming partly from the now-nationalized Dexia. If (when) the financial scaffolding drops out from under this road to nowhere and my home town is left with a scarred landscape, scraped free of life with not even a shining concrete monument to show for it, I look forward to reading, with grim relish, the screams of impotent rage from provincial politicians and local libertarian business boosters looking for someone other than themselves to blame.

Holy Shitskies, Jim! (An ancient Polish expression.)

You've encapsulated the whole Clusterfuckian ball o' wax in one earful! (Well, "eyeful", but who's worrying about what words actually mean any more. ;o)

And, get this, D. Cameron says they've opted out of the latest clusterfuckian "agreement" in order to protect the City of London from "over-regulation". I don't see any irony in THAT, do you? ;o)

Just gets funnier and crazier [in a dark demented sorta way] as it tumbles down the canyon wall. (But I'm certain da lawd will bestow the righteous 'murkin Krishans with a glowing, hearth-warmed howl-a-day of cheap chinese crap! Oh, wholly [be]night[ed]...)

Uh oh....bad news for the electric-cars-can-absolutely-possitively-never-work-crowd?
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http://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/how-graphene-is-helping-to-build-the-best-electric-car-battery.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

Since when did lack of capital ever stop Europe from engaging in fratricidal wars? When they're broke, the wars just go on longer: the 30 Years War and the Hundred Years War being obvious examples.

I've been reviewing the material offered by a few voices here, Steve Keen interviews alongside James Rickards commentary, and I'm wondering what a few people here think: will we see dramatic INFLATION or DEFLATION if SHTF?

I'm guessing if Steve Keen's advice is heeded (unlikely?), we'd see significant deflation if debts were dismissed, and if the snarls from other prognosticates like Peter Schiff manifest, then wild inflation?


ABSALOM

Well said, my friend. Far from building bridges to Detroit, we should be following the German's example on the Rhine circa 1945! Alas the end is near and WRT Wal-mart, that might be a very good thing!

There is good news out there. Just look deeper. The taboo conversations of the past (Peak Oil, Infinite Growth Joke, Everything is Fucked, Collapse, etc.) seemed to be coming out with more and more people I encounter. But they all have hope. They also get solar installations. A great beacon in this dim world to show we can power ourselves. A massive step in the right direction. It alters one's habits, to understand their relationship with energy, and live a bit more within their means.

Anyone pay attention to ANONYMOUS?

Went for a ride in a TESLA ROADSTER this weekend after selling the owner a PV system to charge it. 0-60 in 3.7 seconds. Instant Torque. Just simply fucking awesome.

Working 7 days a week, 100 hr weeks. But not for the money, because I know that it's a joke. I'm doing it because of my passion. I'm the simple mother fucker who actually thinks I'm going to change the world. One solar panel at a time.

Cheers Clusterfuckers.

PUSH ON. DO GOOD. KEEP SMILING.

Amazing, simply amazing, a whole gaggle of doomsayers - er, bloggers - and not a kind word for "old deity". Rave on, boys, and not a single gal in this group. Tells you something about the differences in gender, n'est-ce pas?

There are literally billions of excess bodies. These people are going to have to be removed from the game, before the survivors can move on.

The Senate has passed a bill that says any US citizen inside the USA that is declared a 'terrorist" can be held indefinitely and without trial.

It is the National Defense Authorization Bill of 2012, Sections 1031, 1032 and 1033-35

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/indefinite-detention-of-american-citizens-coming-soon-to-battlefield-u-s-a-20111209

Thanks for pointing me to that Krugman column. Looks like the Europeans also have to worry about Fascists, corn-pone or otherwise.

Just heard today that the average American household has $16,000. charge card debt and that xmas will just add more..

Charles Hugh Smith has a great post today abut the ipos for Facebook and Groupon--all marketing instruments that will wipe us out with whatever we have left.

Happy shopping.

Glad the clueless status quo shannigan's of the Prez. were not lost on you either, James! I was just livid with the same old BS rhetoric...AGAIN!
Like you I thought, at least, I was voting for someone who 'got it'; someone who would at least be DISCUSSING making tough calls on the reality of our situation! But noooo.....the dimwhit goes along with Bernake and his millionaire chronies by pissing away untold billions to bail out the rich at our expense and then....THEN...sits there on national TV touting himself and his 'economic policies' for averting another Depression??? WTF!!! Do you suppose OO (Oblivious Obama)
has even HEARD of compressive contraction? Good thing I drink or I'd have to take it up. Forget the Christmas cookies, James, bring on the whiskey. Fuck it.

Hey Jim, the WSJ has an article on the exact subject you broach today -- the inability of the top 38 European banks to make good on their obligations should the Governments over there begin defaulting -- on section C, page 1, buried, if you will, beneath optimistic stories on the overwhelming success of 'Black Friday', and an editorial by Daniel Yurgin on how the oil situation is getting better and better.

You just gotta, like Dorothy in 'The Wizard of Oz'.

--WSP7

"Anyone pay attention to ANONYMOUS?"

I've been paying attention to the young people in the Guy Fawkes masks ever since they started protesting in front of Scientology offices early in 2008. Of course, it helped that one of my daughters was involved along with at least one of my students. For what it's worth, he Occupy Movement has a big streak of being "Anonymous vs. Scientology II: Anonymous vs. Wall Street" and I've written as much at Crazy Eddie's Motie News. Anonymous's efforts have finally managed to get them some good press in Wired, which until now has held them in contempt.

you just gotta believe, like Dorothy in 'The Wizard of Oz'.

I woke up and read Krugman's column early this Monday morning -- and my first thought was, "Well, he finally caught up to Jim Kunstler!" The better columnists at the "paper of record" have used their bully pulpits to nudge public sentiment along, sometimes this way, sometimes that. I think the good Professor is gently suggesting all that Jim has been talking about for months and years; that this is not your father's recession -- and that much worse is just over the event horizon....

I wonder, in my darkest moments, whether the Germans might again trade their sandals for jackboots.

More likely, it would be Russian ultra-nationalism behind resurgent fascism. But then they'd bog down in endless wars in their Islamic south, instead of bothering Western Europe. To the south is the oil and the pipeline routes.

Good stuff from C.H. Smith. I appreciate that he's not afraid to submit data to support his posts -- similar to Chris Martenson-- the likes of whom have provided me with a new source of education, for which I was frantically searching.

Grazi,

ABSALOM

Keep truckin solar I don't think we have a snowball's chance of turning this MF before it hits the wall but you're doing good work. Very difficult to know just how far off the rails we are but increasingly I'm thinking things I would never have imagined just a few years ago.

Good advice, and further down in the posting he points out why:

"...governments don't forewarn of drastic measures, if only because they can't really do that. They will always insist that all is well until it is not, or they would risk causing a stampede. The take away from that insight at this point is that we can't feel safe because our governments - or the main media that move in lockstep with them- haven't warned us." Ilargi, the [semi]Automatic Earth

That's how it will always go. Thinking and acting for yourself on what you consider valid information is the direction in which you must go. (This is why we've been coming here; to get the real zeitgeist in an abrasive and entertaining manner! ;o)

What you so perceptively mention about President Obama goes to the gist of exactly why I dislike "normal" people so much, not to mention what is even worse, or dull normal; the only people who seem to get a good purchase on reality anymore are the deviants of various stripes, because at least they've been through the experience of being rejected by the clueless and smug normal assholes who are in charge of everything and have learned nothing since they themselves haven't yet been through the mill of their own failure experience. So since they haven't learned anything they simply keep on with the sameold sameold in the mistaken belief that they know what they're doing, which of course they don't. Again, people will wake up to the fact that there's a problem only once everything mainstream has collapsed and people are starving in the developed world. And last time I checked algae diesel was over $33 per gallon so Jim is unfortunately correct about that as well, which is why I recommend that everyone get their hot little hands on a copy of the "GASHOLE" documentary DVD.

A question for Jim: When are you going to awaken from your Holder Trance and ban the idiots that regularly post here just to promote their own blog sites? The first 30 or so comments are usually riddled with them.

Also, did you finally give "asoka" the boot?

Cheers,
Doom

Hey!
Just because I AM a deviant, doesn't mean that I enjoy having it pointed out! ;o)

so, the question is would We The People rather live with nothing while the banksters siphon off the last of our wealth; or live with nothing while they freeze up and eat all the paté they ve already stolen...hm, i wonder what would happen if We just picked one bank at a time...say boa, say on a tuesday? would they act like dominoes or a series of successfully larger fish, until the last one was too big to run away...? we might not get our money in either case; but neither would they...i don t know too many people with $250,000 in deposits; there couldn t be much left to skim in the event...

There is little new under the sun. Reread William Shirer's two brilliant books on the fall of the French Third Republic and the failure of Germany's democracy prior to WW2. In particular, Frances failure of democracy seems similiar to today.

Interestingly both democracies devalued their currencies when confronted by financial challenges which they could not meet. The French devalued their currency by 80 percent wiping out the savings of the poor and the middle class. The politically connected rich moved their money out of the country and returned it back in after the devaluation. They were richer than ever.

And of course, the Germans inflated their currency until it was completely worthless.

Another interesting parallel was the ability of the wealthy and banks in France to pick governments and overthrow any government which threatened their power and money. Their ability to shift the costs of government to the poor and middle class is very similiar to today.

One question, tho:

In the past century Europe has recovered from two devastating wars; Why can't it recover from what's happening now, which, at bottom, is a mere inability to pay for promises made by the welfare state in better times?

--WSP7

Even if Europe collapses today and then all our banks close tomorrow, and the rest of the world follows suit within the week, will we be kicked out of our homes? Probably not. The banks won’t be able to pay anyone to foreclose on all the homeowners whose funds suddenly disappeared. And as long as many have fenced backyards and friendly neighbors to trade with, most people won’t starve. Sure, we’ll all get really skinny but doesn’t everybody want to be thin? And even if trucks stop delivering food and the grocery stores are empty, most people are fat, fat, fat. Of course anyone with a chronic disease like cancer, diabetes or AIDS is dead. No more pharmacies dispensing medication. Hey, and there goes the problems with Medicare and Social Security! No more taxes, no more schools, no more paved roads. No more safety nets. And all the oldster Tea Party people will perish from their wish being granted.

We’ll certainly be grim. But as long as the government delivers reality TV and basic staples like flour or rice, most people will wait quietly for the bad times to end in their sagging easy chairs. “Bread and circuses” were how the ancient Romans controlled the 1,000,000 souls in Rome and prevented them from revolting. Remember, the Roman Empire lasted for over a 1,000 years because they knew that as long as people were entertained and fed, life would go on without anyone being smart enough to realize how much trouble they were really in. However, if people starve like they did in France or Russia, that’s when violent revolutions begin. Hunger is what makes people angry.

well for fuck s sake, what s your safe-word?! cuz i thought that was a defining characteristic of 'deviant'- "you like that? you sure? who s yer daddy, huh?"

PS; Fascism was much stronger in France than I realized. In particular, the wealthy, banks and the hard right of the middle class was attracted to the law and order aspects of a fascist dictatorship.

Ha!
The safe-word (for this month) is: whatthefucktheshitthefuckizzat,eh?!

Because we spent a month in Europe last summer -- just a few months ago. There's still plenty of wealth there, believe me! And I never saw anybody actually working, unless you call sitting around outdoor cafes in the sunshine all afternoon, drinking chilled tumblers of champaign, and other concoctions of icy wonderfullness, working.

--WSP7

Very relevant point. And it makes "sense".

"We" are all in this together ...to support the continued power and wealth of those at the very top.

(Oh, they leave that second part out of the publicly-available rhetoric.)

I imagine the system will keep teetering along without a new major shock through the holiday season, but 2012 should certainly prove interesting. I can't imagine there not being another shock sometime within the next calendar year, and I imagine it'll be a big one. The presidential election should be interesting, to say the least.

We're already in it, though. The collapse is upon us--there isn't one big event that presages it. It's been happening for awhile. I hope people are working on their gardening skills and reminding themselves what physical labor feels like and doing everything they can right now to live with as little energy as possible because it's just going to keep getting tighter and tighter over the next couple years.

Joel

you know, that phrase 'welfare state' is made up, and ignores the fact that the conditions that make people need help were created by fuckerers who have NEVER been hungry, or cold, or in pain from working for nothing in their lives...hell, punching a button on a computer isn t work no matter how many times you do it...until workers are compensated fairly, that is, commensurate to the actual value of said labor, there will always be those among us who need help...

Hey Smoky Joe you don't have to worry about the Krauts getting back into Jackboots. They're a bunch of pansies now, couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag. The fight has been taken out of them the monumental events of the last century.

--WSP7

tuesday, 2:39 pm est, bank of america local branch...what the fuck, over...?

lindsay graham has little boys locked up in his basement...pass it on

Sheez LB, I better whip out the plastic! Imabout 16 "large" in the black! Although if inflation goes through the roof I will be kickin' myself that I was not in debt up to my eyeballs.

I think this is a very relevant remark. it reminds me of the film The Pianist. I, for some reason, keep waiting for this huge, calamitous event, and it never happens. Frog in lukewarm water, perhaps? So, like the Jews who continued to think things couldn't get much worse until finally being loaded onto cattle cars and shoveled into ovens, should I just hunker down and whether the storm. Fuck.

Taibi's article on indefinite detention smacks of history I never bothered to believe could happen again. Just have to wait and see, I guess.

ABSALOM

I know Q will be along to nail me for the typing oversights soon. OOPS!

and now this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
got this in an email today:

OIC is the largest head of state organization in the world after the United Nations (UN) itself and comprises 56 Muslim countries plus the Palestinians. It claims to be the “collective voice of the Muslim world,” i.e., the ummah, and speaks on its behalf in effect as the seat of the next Islamic Caliphate. In 1990, the OIC membership adopted the “Cairo Declaration ,” which officially exempted all Muslim countries from compliance with the UN Universal Declaration on Human Rights and replaced it with Islamic law (shariah).

One of the fundamental laws of Islam deals with “slander ,” which is defined in shariah as saying “anything concerning a person [a Muslim] that he would dislike.” At the OIC’s Third Extraordinary Session, held in Mecca, Saudi Arabia in December 2005, the organization adopted a “Ten-Year Programme of Action to Meet the Challenges Facing the Muslim Ummah in the 21st Century.” A key agenda item of that meeting was “the need to counter Islamophobia” by seeking to have the UN “…adopt an international resolution to counter Islamophobia, and call upon all States to enact laws to counter it, including deterrent punishments.” The word “Islamophobia” is a completely invented word, coined by the International Institute of Islamic Thought (IIIT), a Muslim Brotherhood (Ikhwan) front group. OIC adoption of the term reflects the close operational relationship between the OIC and the Ikhwan.

Six years later, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is due to host OIC Secretary General Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu in Washington, DC in mid-December 2011 to discuss how the United States can implement the OIC agenda to criminalize criticism of Islam. Cloaked in the sanctimonious language of “Resolution 16/18,” that was adopted by the UN Human Rights Council in April 2011, the WDC three-day experts meeting is billed as a working session to discuss legal mechanisms to combat religious discrimination (but the only religion the Human Rights Council has ever mentioned in any previous resolution is Islam). The UN Human Rights Council, which includes such bastions of human rights as China, Cuba, Libya, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia, introduced Resolution 16/18 to the UN General Assembly (UNGA), where it was passed in March 2011.

The Resolution was presented to the UNGA by Pakistan (where women get the death penalty for being raped and “blasphemy” against Islam is punished by death). Ostensibly about “combating intolerance, negative stereotyping and…incitement to violence against persons based on religion or belief,” the only partnership mentioned in the text is the one with the OIC. The U.S., whose official envoy to the OIC, Rashad Hussain, helped write Obama’s Cairo speech, actively collaborated in the drafting of Resolution 16/18.

Now, the OIC’s Ihsanoglu will come to Washington, DC, the capital of one of the only countries in the world with a Constitution that guarantees freedom of speech and a judicial system that consistently defends it, with a publicized agenda to criminalize criticism of Islam. His agenda, and, apparently that of his host, the U.S. Department of State, seek to bring the U.S. into full compliance with Islamic law on slander, as noted above.
Read it all and Contact Your Elected Officials – NOW!

Hi SOLAR GUY, I know you don't post much so I hope you see this. I have been thinking of making my own PV panels. The components are all over eBay. What do ya think about the flexible amorphous cells?
http://www.technologyreview.com/business/22745/
also how about buying broken cells and soldering them together?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/120825613584?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

I can handle the construction but would it be worth my time? Thanks RT

I do think that we as a nation forgot the lessons of Greek tragedy a long time ago. Especially wrt to hubris, and the law-of-opposite-effects, ie when trying to avoid an outcome is what brings about that outcome. I guess I can be grateful that they made us read some of that in the public schools. It's not as though Greek tragedy was going to make us better cogs in the economic machine. The late Chalmers Johnson wrote about some of this.
-Phut

UR1 sik Sumbitch O3 ! how about u luze an atom and get back to normal! ;o)

Yes, yes yes. The shits gonna hit the fan, blah, blah , blah. But it never does. And it ain't cuz it's a matter of everyone having faith. As long as we all believe in the funny money, it's as good as gold. There's not enough gold in the world to fund the current business activity. And to think we are all going back to farming is so ludicrous as to defy belief. Yeah, think local, cottage industry, barter, small is better. Think Meet me in St. Louis, Judy and the gang. Ride the trolley.Penrod and Sam allover again. Sweet Dreams are made of this.

Burn down the Conventions
If we're gonna stay alive
Watch the black smoke fly to heaven
See the red flame light the sky
Burn down the Conventions
Burn 'em down to stay alive
It's our only chance of living
Take all you need to live inside

A french speaking faggot counts as a split-tail, wee? OH, I'll ask Alex Trebec.

And to think the morons will vote him in for another four years ala Bushy Boy.

The "old Deity" AKA "The Ancient Of Days" has perfectly well written out the story line, on a number of levels. Things happen whether or not you believe, and denial does not prevent.

Preliminaries to the main event are under way now, with an updated version of "Battleship" in progress, using real carriers and guided missle cruisers.

Israeli government call for a vote of confidence in January will either confirm or disavow the hard liners there. Just as the USA vote in November will see the present State Department and foreign policy drift, or or someone with John Bolton's mindset directing. As JHK says, wars can evolve out of the present situation(s).

"ASPO Article 1037" suggests in previous postings some nuts & bolts transport/distribution adjustments in order for these proceedings. JHK alludes to the railway tool as an essential part of the "Long Emergency" solution set. Now, we are heading into the WWII syndrome of needing to play catch-up in transport as the energy emergency comes at us in a rush...

Lacking the voluminous inventory of dormant rail plant we had in the 1941 war, we nonetheless have many recently abandoned candidates for rehab. As the country puts mind and material to rail distribution again, we will get the key agricultural and manufacturing vicinities reconnected to national rail matrix.

Deal with it. Middle East and other regions with oil & Islam mixed up spells Federal Executive Emergency Orders for motor fuel rationing. Europe will not help as they did in the Katrina fuel emergency; they will be sending military to the oilfields because THEY are short on fuel too. Likewise China & India. Look for a horrific bloodletting in the oilpatch.

USA has wherewithal and with some political backbone applied, ability to refit transport to a de-minimus level to keep victuals and necessities of life distribution flowing. As Moshe Dayan said; "we must apply the minimum required effort to achieve the minimum acceptable results".

One point I always wonder about - just what do any of the Dems, Repugs, Tea Hatters, etc. propose doing about employing the 10s of millions of un-and under-employed that used to have well-paying industrial jobs? The social contract that worked well in the 50s and 60s is now utterly broken (rise up from the dead and take a bow, Sir Ronnie)and nobody has a clue what these people can do now for gainful employment. Become computer analysts? Are you kidding me? The Indians are cornering that market.

No, these souls will never have a hope of any solution to their situation, given the perverted trade rules now in effect. They are the elephants in the rooom, as we don't have a clue what to do with them. They're so much surplus humanity.

Heard any plausible suggestions - from anybody - on what's to be done? Do we just let them all whither away somehow, or when they get really hungry and angry, do we just "disappear" them to the rumored FEMA camps?

Obama, apart from your faith in the "confidence fairy", what is your proposal? Maybe you should take a page from the past (I know, it's so yesterday) and get serious about WPA/CCC-type programs. Roosevelt (remember him? He was a Democratic president, just like you) put 3 million to work - and providentially, prepared them for a quick-switch to military uniforms when the shit hit the fan. Let's see, that would be something close to 6 million today, based on present population.

What's that you say? The Repugs would never allow it? Maybe you need to remind them what 25% unemployment and growing hunger and hopelessness among the young means for the likelihood of Repugs keeping their arrogant, smug heads still attached to their bodies. Better yet, tell them to go f*&k themselves and JUST DO IT.

Obama?....Obama?....Any HOPE for any CHANGE - at all - on your watch? Otherwise, you may just be the last democratically-elected president in American history...

Is the money real? Are our investments safe? Will the bankers impoverish Europe?

Oh, and by the way, the Earth is warming and the US helped to destroy another effort to save it, in Durban. At least this time Obama didn't personally fly in to sabotage it, as he did in Copenhagen.

Last year the amount of carbon dioxide pumped into the air rose another 5+%. The oceans are acid and full of plastic, and species are dying, while hurricanes, fires and floods increase.

And the oil companies are ready to get up to the melted Arctic to drill for more oil.

And I completely dismiss his claim that the reason no prosecution of Wall Street misconduct happened was because, however odious their schemes and scams were, they were technically legal.

So nobody caused anybody to lie and put money in ANY misrepresented investment at all anywhere? Billions of dollars vanish and everybody everywhere was telling the truth? Rating agencies use formulas they have used for years and suddenly start coming up with erroneous ratings?

Shit just happens?

k-dog who is very risk adverse concerning investments suddenly finds his retirement money has been used to buy toxic assets (mortgage backed bonds) in 2008 by the Principal Financial Group without his permission and a pissed off k-dog has to travel into Bellevue WA to withdraw his money as a result.

I was happy with the money market account I had it parked in. Spending my money and buying bonds without my permission was legal how?

The truth is that people who misrepresented mortgages to people so old they bump into walls because they can't see so good anymore are not even being prosecuted. Prosecuting little fish would lead to prosecuting bigger fish so we won't even be prosecuting obvious fraud. A segment about this was on 60 minutes recently, anybody see it but me?

I saw the 'technically legal' defense coming months ago, and coming from the lips of one who would suspend civil rights and legalize the murder of American Citizens it is not surprising at all. But getting into that would be DRONE-ing on.

If he gets back in we soooooooooooooo deserve it.

No, I take that last statement back.

If he gets back in YOU soooooooooooooo deserve it.

So please please, rinse and repeat.

Little people don't matter to this man.
Little people don't matter to this man.
Little people don't matter to this man.
Little people don't matter to this man.
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He only pretends that they do.

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What I think should be done is to put every able-bodied person to work planting trees (ala WPA), retrofitting houses, cleaning up rail lines, starting small farms, installing solar panels, and so on.

What is Obama doing? Same as Bush and Clinton.

Building the FEMA camps, cutting welfare and Social Security, defunding Medicare, threatening war with China, Iran and Russia.

Yeah, the "excess" population will be taken care of, all right.

A vid of all RPs responses during the Iowa debate. The last two minutes must be heard!

http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?25952-All-Of-Ron-Paul-s-Responses-At-The-ABC-Iowa-GOP-Debate

this one is for you 8M, OEO, Tegmark From "ILOVEPHILOSOPHY.COM"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlIrI80og8c

One point I always wonder about - just what do any of the Dems, Repugs, Tea Hatters, etc. propose doing about employing the 10s of millions of un-and under-employed that used to have well-paying industrial jobs? The social contract that worked well in the 50s and 60s is now utterly broken (rise up from the dead and take a bow, Sir Ronnie)and nobody has a clue what these people can do now for gainful employment. Become computer analysts? Are you kidding me? The Indians are cornering that market.

Looking to any of the named political factions to do anything outside the status quo is time misspent. Admittance to their club requires a forgone signing on to the dictates of the 'new world order', the logistical end game of which is flat wage parity on a global scale. Enter the new American peasantry, competing with small plot rice farmers half a world away.

"The social contract that worked well in the 50s and 60s is now utterly broken (rise up from the dead and take a bow, Sir Ronnie)"

And then please please go back to being dead. Your destruction was so complete you don't need to be walking the earth like a specter with unfinished business to do. You did it.

did you read the link? if you live near an airport, or an army base- open or closed- or nat l guard base, that is your concentration camp...and whoever is left behind is left to kil each other off for scraps...and remember the roving marauders in mad max? we ll have those, too, but they ll be comprised of rogue cops, with all the left-over armor...license and registration, please...?

Dramatic inflation on essentials, moderate deflation on nonessentials.

People do crossword puzzles and such to develop their brain. I should watch the Republican debates why?

I actually saw what you are talking about last night and the thought came to me that watching them for too long might make me stupid.

Be careful of the company you keep.

is it tuesday yet? cuz i m gettin' hungry, and i haven t had a burger in a LONG time...like for real, not for over a month...

"Whackin' him off from a distance"
How come american TV is not like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFTxoNMjmiQ&feature=related

I'm guessing if Steve Keen's advice is heeded (unlikely?), we'd see significant deflation if debts were dismissed, and if the snarls from other prognosticates like Peter Schiff manifest, then wild inflation?
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Flip a coin, your odds are just as good at being right as listening to either of those pundits.

Figure it this way; the more extreme, the sooner in time, and the more capital letters the pundit uses for his forecasts....the more likely it is he hasn't the slightest idea what he's talking about.

Still using non-violence? What are you smoking? They've already disgraced themselves again and again - just as the "non violent" protestors did in the 60's. Guess you don't watch the news.

The Police have misbehaved also. I know you think it has to be just one or the other - people try to think with the part of the mind that chooses good/bad, pleasure/pain, but that is a big mistake. That's how we ended up with the "two party system".

The Left also believes in never ending growth as per China and the Soviet Union proved. They have no answer whatsoever. Of course the Left tries to co-opt any and all protest movements so they have taken over the Greens. It's just a tactic, nothing more.

Doom!!!
Yer back, and less than a year to go until your prediction of....what was it? $200+ a barrel oil. How's your prognosticating working out?

Great column, as always, though maybe God isn't asleep at the wheel. Perhaps (to us believers) he's just got a divine sense of irony, and works in mysterious ways. Showing our gross consumerism for exactly what it is at the moment when so many pretend to care about the "spirit " of the season when all they care about is gorging on more credit card debt would be just like God (to us believers).

On an unrelated note, we have a review of Duncan Crary's new book the KunstlerCasst on Transition Voice today: Talkin’ peak oil blues: Review of the new KunstlerCast book

--Lindsay Curren
Editor
Transition Voice

Fascism is just the Left's word for Nationalism. That's the opposite of turning your Continent over to Muslims or Mexicans. You continue to amaze with your capacity for cluelessness.

Daniel Yurgin was on NPR last week letting everyone know that since expenditur on solar and wind energy development will exceed spending on oil prospecting this year for the first time ever the switch to clean renewable energy is in full swing and we don't have a thing to worry about.

Good to know.

I imagine the system will keep teetering along without a new major shock through the holiday season, but 2012 should certainly prove interesting.
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Uh oh....here we go....another forecaster.

Yeah....that Mayan calendar thing....I'm really concerned about that one too, along with the giant planet out beyond Jupiter.... and that alien ship cloaked on Mercury....that's really freaking me out!!! I wish something would just destroy us and get it over with for fucksakes...I just can't handle the suspense.

(if you have similar thoughts to the above, its a good sign you have too much time on your hands)

What link? I DO live near an airport, now an Air Force National Guard base, and a FEMA disaster site.

I've been complaining about it for years.

And lately I've been seeing trucks loaded with giant logs going down my street.

WTF? Is that for the crematoriums?

And I wrote a letter to the editor about it. Damn, now I'm on the list with Ripped!

The problem isn't necessarily the electric cars themselves but generating all that extra electricity to run them, capiche? Where do we get it from? Coal? Natural gas? Nuclear? If any of the above, we're right back where we started.

You know, Harper's interviewed a Mayan priest, and he said that there was no prophecy about 2012 in Mayan tradition.

But, carry on.

Democracy? You know how dumb the average guy is? By definition, half the population is even dumber. They are dumb enough to put Newt Romeny in. They will. That's why the Elite love Democracy and why they're so terrified of Nationalism and the disciplined Democracy of traditional Republicanism. Meaning? Only qualified people vote. Qualified? Those who have proven their loyalty by service and their knowledge of Politics and History by testing.

Fascism? Sure, but look how the victors have handled things? Destroyed Europe within three generations and in the process of turning the place over to Islam. Fascism is its own philosophy and not just a synomym for totalitarianism. From another angle: anything "They" hate so much has to have something good about it. They hate tariffs too. Imagine if we had maintained our trade balances instead of listening to the Krugs and the Friedmans - either of them.

Why don't you chain yourself to the FEMA Camp fence and demand entry. You could become the Left Wing Alex Jones.

The stuff hits the fan on an individual basis here in the US, or so it seems. It happens in slow motion. One more foreclosure. Another family out on the street, living in their car (most of them in Florida). Another young man sent to prison. Another fall in the value of the dollar. More manufacturing jobs sent overseas. Another thousand in credit card debt, just to make ends meet.

And each person tends to blame themselves. The systemic effects are ignored in our individuated, solipsistic society. The religious types think that God must have some special plan and/or punishment for them.

Of course, sometimes TS really does HTF. Greece is in full scale meltdown mode, from what I can tell. Is US and A next? We shall see. I wouldn't want to prognosticate though, at the risk of being told by diggity dale that no one should ever predict anything ever under any circumstances. ;)

Put away your one note banjo, Vladdie, or I'm going to break it again.

i saw a bit on colbert making fun of jesse ventura, so for grins i looked up the site- and right there was an article about the fema camps...there are links which talk about a bill in congress designating army bases and airports at which the camps were to be built, and about govt asking private contractors to supply body bags and freeze dried foods, among other things...another said there is also a sudden scarcity of materiale needed for construction of personal bunkers...seems the rumors are more than just conspiracy theories...i suggest everyone check it out, whether you buy into conspiracy or not- might just change your mind, considering how long it has been going on without any mention...

That's true: people mock the OWS and tell them to get a job. Anyone who doesn't have a job has only themselves to blame to these folks. The Elite have us divided - exactly where they want us. One Catholic writer said that guilt about unemployment or not getting ahead has replaced the place of Sin in human consciousness.

You have never defeated me nor will you ever. You have run from every debate we ever had. And no, calling me nasty names is not really debating.

Right, because fascism worked so fantastically well the last time it was tried in Europe, didn't it, Vlad?

It was great for everyone, except the French, the Brits, the Poles, the Jews, the gypsies, ...

And then the ones who actually tried it out, Italy and Germany, were left in ruins, with populations who never wanted to return to that system of government, ever again.

Spain limped along until Franco died, but then after that, its people were all too happy to kick it to the curb.

Fascism....yeah. Why didn't I think of that?

A real bear trap of a political mind you've got there, Vladdie. Keep up the good work.

No surprise City of London pulled out and decided to bet their future on financial services. Bon Chance!

Italy has a ton of gold and last time I looked the future was all about cash, bouillon and agriculture, which should make you happy Jim.

The Dutch and Germans are pouring tons of money into Central Europe, France is in for trouble but Germany, with its strong ties to Russia, not so worried.

Their model of manufacturing 'stuff' and saving is a model the rest of Europe would very much like to follow, that's why the 26 nations agreed so quickly once UK got outta the room.

As History suggests, Eurasia is not emerging, its simply re-emerging.

" So since they haven't learned anything they simply keep on with the sameold sameold in the mistaken belief that they know what they're doing, which of course they don't."

Quote attributed to the wise Sydney J. Harris: "Ignorance per se is not nearly as dangerous as ignorance of ignorance."

Holiday riddle: What is the difference between a holiday sentiment and holiday fare?

Ans: One is "Seasons greetings!"
The other is grease and seasonings.

How does one win a debate on the internet? I guess it would require some outside arbitration, as neither side is likely to give up and concede defeat. What do you think, CFNers?

I'm here most weeks, Vlad. Usually, you stop responding to me, not vice versa. Though I have somewhat limited patience for doing this circle jerk, week after week. Things to do and see, you know. Is it your full time job to astroturf here?

yeah, i had quite a quandary to solve re big bro and whether the risk is worth reading this blog, much less posting...i decided the risk of letting the bastards win is greater- and they really can t lock us all up for thinking for ourselves...and communicating with each other i see us in the same light of history as the 60's civil rights movement: if nobody is sitting at the counter, whether from personal fear or apathy, then 'they' are getting exactly what they want, and as a free-thinking man, i can t live in that world...so the more of us who speak our minds, the closer we get to the ideal we were taught in school is ours...so if 'you' are reading this, against all constitutional and moral law, get the fuck out, and give back what is rightfully mine to begin with, you pervs...

forgive a new guy to all the parlance bandied about, but wtftstfizzat? astroturf? sounds vaguely insulting in context...

"You have never defeated me nor will you ever."

Either way, you're still a complete tool.

'colbert making fun of jesse ventura'
Need you say more?
Colbert is one more 'useful idiot' it seems.

"Not Poland! Please not Poland. How about we make Monaco leader of the world with casinos, fairy princesses, toy soldiers and legal tax evasion as the new World Order?
Um, haven't you been paying attention? The Casinos are already running things. Its all just a big ponzi scheme now.

And I reallly have to laugh out loud (LOL!) when I read about someone saying that there should just be a debt jubilee!! Like, The Powers That Bee (TPTB!) will EVER let that happen. Nope, you will be made to pay back that debt if its the last & only thing you do in this life, one way or another. Lets hope it doesn't come to the "other way". Then Wages' Federal Emergency Management Administration (FEMA) camps will come into play, and we WILL have a WPA (ok, so I'm tired of writing out the full titles) sort of. The rest of us will probably just become pet chow. But hi-protein pet chow!

And Vlad, oh Vlad, isn't there a hole you can crawl back into? Please??

:})

Jesse "The Body" Ventura does come across as a bit of a nutcase. He's kind of an easy target. Just saying.

LOL. Once I see you write a grammatically correct English sentence, I'll consider your opinion.

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where will the uber riche run?
Certainly not Vermont!

Electric cars are no panacea but it's a mistake to say were right back to where we started because the gain in efficiencies in going electric will reduce CO2 emissions over the alternative of doing nothing even it the electricity comes from coal.

One thing I never see considered is that switching to electric cars will result in changes in how people drive. Charging requires time and is a bit inconvenient. Electric cars also have reduced range. These two considerations working together mean that driving would become a more purposeful activity and total number of miles driven per year would fall.

But talking about lifestyle changes can be very unpopular. Ideally I'd like to see an electric car with a 60 mile range. Life could go on pretty much as it is. There will be some added inconvenience but with such a hugely reduced carbon footprint it would be a very good thing. Ambulances, fire trucks and police cars should continue to use fossil fuel.

No offense to you Turkle I'm only jumping on your post because I'm noticing that there are a lot of people showing up and calling regular posters here 'doomers' and such in an obvious ad-homenim attack on the pack.

What to us are logical points of view arrived at as the result of critical thinking may appear as depressed and nut-ball points of view to those new to using their brain and who then encounter what to them are emotionally unpleasant.

To new arrivals I say this. Thinking for oneself can lead to unpleasant truths, that's just the way it is. Get used to it, a trained mind will look at all sides of an issue and entertain all thoughts that result from a logical enlightened rational thought processes. If one is particularly unpleasant don't worry, you don't have to stay there long because now that your thinking a more pleasant thought may soon take it's place.

The truth of a belief is what matters, not how it makes you feel emotionally. The last thing you want to do is hold on to a belief just because it makes you feel good.

My old roomate Eddie hated people who whistled because they obviously thought that they were the cats pyjamas and that the whole world was their oyster.

Rudi (Swami Rudrananda) felt the same way about middle class people - so fucking complacent.

As long as you crawl in with me honey. Or better yet, let's go that new planet they've just discovered. But you will do as I say! The Beast will tame Beauty and not vice versa.

Alright let's pick up where "we" (you) left off: Do Blacks have the right to have their own Nations in Africa? Not academic since China intends to take Africa by degrees and by working with their dictators.

And if yes, then why don't Whites have the same right to their own Nations?

Turkel writes:

"And each person tends to blame themselves. The systemic effects are ignored in our individuated, solipsistic society. The religious types think that God must have some special plan and/or punishment for them."

So true, especially in the land of celebrity, where dominant mass media focus on the 'one-in-a-million' anchors the myth that anybody can be anything they want in America, provided they just work hard enough. The cult of 'blame thyself/personal responsibility' laminates a false consciousness into the collective psyche that, paradoxically, propagates the myth of the individual(the particular) above the dominant general trend. It's a diabolically brilliant construct, parroted on a daily basis by the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity and most regrettably, Ron Paul.

Guy de Maupasssant's " The Diamond Necklace" is a good read from a Marxist perspective,i.e, conspicuous consumption/commodification:

http://www.eastoftheweb.com/short-stories/UBooks/Neck.shtml

See? You can't control your snark. Too much Colbert and Stuart. And I'm the tool? Whose? You are doing exactly what the Elite want you to do. You watch these shows, get programmed, and regurgitate. And then you're proud of your nasty little self!

The Fire of Hell is simply God's Love denied. You are the one who makes it hot by your resistance. It is cool and bright but hatred makes it dark and hot. We must become new lightbulbs - does not the Bible say that the spirit of Man is the candle of the Lord?

you should know that is a character he uses to make fun of the neckties...

"The religious types think that God must have some special plan and/or punishment for them."

That has always seemed to me to be rather arrogant. If I were god I'd think everybody who assumed they had a special relationship with me so they can turn away and ignore their fellow man because they were among the chosen sucked.

Colbert is a tool and Turkle the tool of a tool.

um, god here...you get the golden cookie! finally somebody figured it out! and it only took 2,000 years give or take!

...of course, if you would prefer a milkbone and a skritch on top of your head...

Well hell, if I'm that smart maybe I should be president.

When the write in votes for k-dog come in and they locate me via my IP address it won't take very long. George started a file on me so they already have my address. Just send over the limo, pick me up and I'll get right to work.

turk, i have to say, your kickin' his ass, so far...just point out to him that you have to be with a woman in the first place to commit adultery; that should take the wind out of his sails...of course, with his intimate knowledge of tools, maybe he lives in one of them "progressive, all male compounds"... what a pud...

Milkbone!!!!!!!!! My favorite and a belly scratch to boot.

"And then you're proud of your nasty little self!"

Oh, the irony...

Brussels is like a ventriloquist's dummy sitting on Germany's knee. Germany cannot just step up and act like the Boss of Europe. Too many bad memories of an earlier instance, when a gang of maniacs wearing uniforms studded with grinning totenkopf insignia turned the whole region into a charnel house. So, Germany has to pretend to speak through Brussels.
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Yes, them faggots sure do like their uniforms. Whether they be the imperialist pederast Greek faggots, or imperialist pederast Roman faggots, or imperialist pederast Vatican faggots, or imperialist pederast Nazi faggots, they are all pretty much the same. The same imperialist homo beasts, just with the updated uniforms.

Germany, as it was in the days of Charlemagne's Vatican/Roman empire, basically is an iteration of the Vatican/Roman Reich. What we are seeing is a continuation of a process, though rejected multiple times when it was applied by way of military/political means, now proceeding "stealthily" by way of financial/political means. It is the same political golem we've seen before. The same menacing imperialist beast envisioned in Daniel's dream. Resurrected yet again, the legs of this Vatican/Roman fascist monster clearly identifiable as Europe and the US. The new boss, is the same as the old boss. The New World Order, is the same Old World Order.

did you catch my nominations for consideration to cabinet posts last week? since mewt already broke election law by saying who he would appoint- namely warlord bolton- i think you could get away with same..."all dawgs created equal, etc" i m sure i could serve with the utmost of loyalty to and respect for our constitution...wink wink, nudge nudge, hint hint...

This is one of the notes on your piano that you like to hit again and again. One wonders why you are so concerned about it.

Firstly, I don't get to decide whether a certain race of people should or can have their own country. It isn't really up to me, or at least the tidal forces of immigration are not anything I have much control over.

Secondly, the concept of rights is a flimsy one. Who or what determines these rights? Rights do not exist objectively, outside of human political structures. What occurs on the international scene has more to do with power politics. If a tribe can take a piece of land and hold it, I suppose they have a right to it. That was always how it happened in the past. Now international law basically says that no one can take any land from anyone, and, in some ways, it is an inferior system, because political boundaries don't change according to the realities on the ground.

Thirdly, the idea of one nation and one people is usually politically unworkable, especially in this day and age of easy mobility. There are always minorities, even in the most homogeneous societies, like Japan. Pre-modern political structures, as in empires and medieval kingdoms, were quite diverse politically (think Roman Empire or the Hapsburg Empire). Only recently has the concept of one nation and one people become some kind of ideal (only in the last couple hundred years actually), and practically speaking, there are many problems with this arrangement. In America, the idea of going "back to" white rule is completely unrealistic and unworkable and would lead to another Civil War. Actually, I'm not surprised you support it, given that you are a big fan of your own unrealistic pipe dreams. The question for you is not whether it is right or wrong, but could it actually work? And the answer is no, it would never work here. Times have changed and left your stale politics behind.

Fourthly, why make political structures so dependent on such a flimsy concept as race, which is more of a continuum, admitting many shades of gray, than a system of clearly distinct types? For instance, brown-skinned people in India are supposedly Caucasian, yet can have darker skin than some Africans. Skin color and racial characteristics seems a silly criteria to base rigid political structures upon, in this day and age.

Or is that too nuanced for you? Did you want a yes or no answer? As usual, the truth is far more complicated than simplistic, Hegelian, binary oppositions, of which, I notice, you are a big fan.

stoppit, you re gonna give faggots a bad name! and, well, it s kinda not what s going on there...i mean the whole nazi/pedophile/fascism thing is about power and control; not sex ask any hetero rapist: hey vlad, care to jump in on this one?

What, you really did expect officidom to declare the truth about how bad things are and how much worse they are going to get? That the developing nations aren't, that they are going to get worse with vast die-off and ecological collapse no matter how much happy news blather there is on the tube about humanitarian gestures? That America itself is loosing its cohesiveness as a nation -- being splintered apart with PC "diversity"? Uh,....have you noticed the gang wars spreading out of the urban centers to rural areas?

No more flag shoulder patches, just tribal tatoos.

No one in power cares about what you write on the internet, unless you're like threatening the POTUS, in which case you might receive a visit from the men in black. They only care if you actually get off the old keister and do something about it, like pitch a tent in a public park during a political protest. Then you'll be tazed, clubbed, pepper-sprayed, and arrested. It turns out that free speech of the pixels-on-a-screen variety is an excellent release valve for the masses. The pleebs are busy arguing about the wedge issues (see this blog's comments section week after week). Meanwhile, the PTB get to keep/take/divide the spoils while we all bicker amongst ourselves. Carry on.

Cave, I don't agree with the usual line here that the developing countries will necessarily be worse off in the case of a global collapse. For instance, rural South Americans tend to be more self-sufficient, and they don't generally own cars. They eat food that is grown close to home, which may not be grown with much fertilizer or pesticide input, and they walk everywhere or ride animals. They are more savvy about providing the basics for themselves (no supermarkets). Their cities tend to more compact than ours, with decent public transportation. Dmitri Orlov has a line about how collapse for these societies is like jumping out of a first story window onto the ground. In other words, if you live in an African village, how different would life actually be if the price of oil doubled? Not much, actually. You'd continue doing your thing. On the other hand, the typical American, used to cheap oil, ginormous gas-powered vehicles, 24/7 electricity and lighting, cable tv, internet, plumbing, quick policing by phone call, goods distribution by truck, Wal-Mart, etc. could be in for a rude shock if/when the rug gets yanked out.

"Yes, them faggots sure do like their uniforms. Whether they be the imperialist pederast Greek faggots, or imperialist pederast Roman faggots, or imperialist pederast Vatican faggots, or imperialist pederast Nazi faggots, they are all pretty much the same. The same imperialist homo beasts, just with the updated uniforms."

This reminds me of a very strange moment I had a few weeks ago.

I was watching a black and white documentary about a day in the life of the city of 1920's Berlin. Suddenly a column of German soldiers or police were shown marching down the street.

The uniforms were almost exact matches to what everyone would quickly learn to hate twenty years later. Only the helmets were slightly different.

The strange moment resulted when I realized that at the time these young men were filmed they were innocent of crime as they marched down the street. They were just ordinary young men.

Hitler had not yet come to power but the Weimar Republic uniforms they wore made them look almost exactly like the rapacious squads which would sweep across Poland years later.

It was a very strange moment and one I know holds more than a few lessons.

I think the film was simply called 'Berlin', I watched it on Netflix.

How do you feel about art as an investment? Both from the practical and idealistic side? One might hate yet "find" oneself doing it anyway.

The Israei army - no uniforms?

Actually my file resulted when I flipped George W. the bird when he passed by me in a motorcade in 2007. The secret service or FBI agent was not very good at hiding himself when he followed me. It was not my imagination. After a week I think they figured out I was just a piss ant and moved on.

turk said "Jesse "The Body" Ventura does come across as a bit of a nutcase. He's kind of an easy target. Just saying."

Wear your atheism on your sleeve in public and watch the shitstorm gather. Especially during the holidays. JtbV is a straight shooter. He succeeded in politics because he got his PhD in the theater of pro wrestling. As such he understands the arena.

Jimbo...it's nice to know Jewish folk bake Christmas cookies. And as for all the other vitriol on this site, take a break from blogging and listen to this beautiful (and unique) version of I Heard the Bells on Christmas Day:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7670CXvPX0

Just what I like to fantasize about, Israeli soldiers without uniforms! Really puts a lump in my stocking, if you get my drift

Lordy, I haven't jumped on a hetetro rapist in years. Does give me the craving to have someone pump and dump in me though, LOL!

I confess to not haveing gone through all 142 previous comments to see if this is a repeat, but forgive me anyway if this is a duplication.

We all seem to have taken the position that reality will bitch-slap the government and the public into realizing the crisis. But we've already seen the power of the US government and the oil industry to lie to and deceive the public. We are now hearing reports about "exciting new technologies" that are going to save us. You and I know this means mining the sh*t out of Canada's tar sands, and deep water fields, and stealing more out of the middle east and we also know that with a captured media the public (the US public) is going to buy it.

So what's changed? How is it that reality is going to win out this time?

The US government will deliver more oil to its citizens, the planet will get more raped, and I fear this will carry on until it can't. And this could be years away.

Please tell me I'm wrong.

-- Deck

"I actually saw what you are talking about last night and the thought came to me that watching them for too long might make me stupid."

Listening to all of them may, listening to RP {the vid} won't.

"I wish something would just destroy us and get it over with..."

But then we wouldn't learn anything.

OK, so we are 8 hours into this thread.
The flame war began soon after the thread began.

And now we have a 'Vlad Kramps' and 'Thomas 99'.

"The religious types think that God must have some special plan and/or punishment for them."

Nothing special. Cause and effect; consequences of ignoring/hating the truth.

Jesus loves me, this I know, for the bible tells me so.

Jesus loves all of god's (white) children.

"Rights do not exist objectively, outside of human political structures."

You are confusing rights with privileges.

"The pleebs are busy arguing about the wedge issues (see this blog's comments section week after week)."

"This ex-CIA agent is saying pretty much the same thing the “patriot” community has been saying for 20 years. The difference is that “patriots” have had little credibility, while people with this speaker’s credentials have credibility."

http://adask.wordpress.com/2011/12/12/ex-cia-agent-warns-of-tyranny-praises-bloggers/#comments

A great big "hello" and "Merry Christmas!", Auntie!

The problem isn't necessarily the electric cars themselves but generating all that extra electricity to run them,
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Of course, but the transition would occur slowly, and capacity when car charges could be programmed, (at night) is greater now than needed. Also, efficiencies in other areas (LED lighting for one) will improve capacity right when it is needed.

I'm not saying its clear sailing, but not exactly hopeless either.

You know, Harper's interviewed a Mayan priest, and he said that there was no prophecy about 2012 in Mayan tradition.
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Yeah.....their calendar ends just like yours does, at the end of the year. No matter.....millions will run up their credit cards in hopes they get wiped out.

But don't try to tell any true believers.....YOU'RE DOOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!

Yes, it will be very interesting to see the nominating conventions next year but unfortunately, quite sad as well when all those swindled, desperate mobs run headlong into all the latest technological gizmos the police/military will surely have waiting for them and be itchin' to use, which is, I suppose, the wake-up call you're referring to. The saddest part of that is you'll have to watch any confrontations on YouTube et al. (until the gov. shuts that down and IF people manage to not have their iPhones confiscated) because the networks won't show any of the protests... unless people die of course. The conventions themselves will be the usual farce and take back seat to what happens in the streets.

Ive got nothing new to say. Im not unlike JK, with respect to content, for the last year or so.

As the weeks roll by, we all wonder when someone will call out the "frauds" the party is built on. But the bands keep playing and the people just party-on.

In so many areas of life - reality is turning "science-fiction-scary." A world-wide rigged money system built on zombie banks made of zombie securities.

Nations and governments that are openly bracing for domination of their various peoples. World "leaders" focusing on nothing but the protection and profits of the unseen limo-driven, gated-communities of the ruling corporatocracy.

We all rant and hope for a news leak, a "clue" or spark that will penetrate the dim minds of the masses of people living with electronically-induced coma-like brains. Something, anything, some tidbit of simple "news" that will show the numb and dumb how dire our futures are becoming.
And hopefully rally them to public discourse and discontent.

But alas, as JK has commented last week - "all meaning" has been stripped away from the language of law. Our words, no matter how didactic, how honest have no place in changing the world. Carry on.

You all remember Aldo Leopold, right? Early environmentalist, died in '48. I just want to copy here the first three paragraphs of his forward to the Sand County Almanac:

There are some who can live without wild things, and some who cannot. These essays are the delights and dilemmas of one who cannot.

Like winds and sunsets, wild things were taken for granted until progress began to do away with them. Now we face the question whether a still higher 'standard of living' is worth its cost in things natural, wild, and free. For us in the minority, the opportunity to see geese is more important than television, and the chance to find a pasque-flower is a right as inalienable as free speech.

These wild things, I admit, had little human value until mechanization assured us of a good breakfast, and until science disclosed the drama of where they come from and how they live. The whole conflict thus boils down to a question of degree. We of the minority see a law of diminishing returns in progress; our opponents do not.

Please tell me I'm wrong.

-- Deck
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You're wrong....happy now?

wrong?

"You say -- The US government will deliver more oil to its citizens, the planet will get more raped, and I fear this will carry on until it can't. And this could be years away."

Then you say -- "Please tell me I'm wrong."

If your giving us years we don't want you to be wrong we want you to be right but I'm afraid Turkle called it a ways up.

"The stuff hits the fan on an individual basis here in the US, or so it seems. It happens in slow motion. One more foreclosure. Another family out on the street, living in their car (most of them in Florida). Another young man sent to prison. Another fall in the value of the dollar. More manufacturing jobs sent overseas. Another thousand in credit card debt, just to make ends meet."

Even if we have years they won't be good years so we all might as well roll up our sleves get to work. Perhaps we should be calling it the long silent emergency.

If things just carry on until they can't anymore then the sooner we have a revolution the better. If things don't change like you suggest they won't revolution is inevitable and we should get it over with soon.

If we can change things peacefully by increasing public awareness and attitudes through education we must do so. If we can get even a few of the right people in charge we must do so. If we can make changes without the necessity of a violent revolution that is the right thing to do.

But if we know that things are going to continue as they have until the last tree on our Easter Island is chopped down we must rise up with great force and take back what is ours.

In circumstances of continued deception and inaction resulting ultimately in the death of birth a revolution must happen. There is no other way to put things right under these circumstances and anything less else is immoral.

If you don't smell the smoke that's one thing but to know something is on fire and then to do nothing is not ok. To fiddle while Rome burns is criminal.

I just got back into reading this blog after a 3 month hiatus and I can not believe that nobody, including Mr. Kunstler has brought up the mega disaster in japan. After reading Enenews.com for a month, I think Japan is the most important story in the world and it is being ignored everywhere!

The three meltdowns has resulted 600 tons of 5000 degree radioactive masses boring into the earth and when they hit ground water all hell is going to break loose. And the 640,000 fuel rods sitting in damaged pools is another huge problem. From what I read, even if all the radioactivity stopped today , there would still be millions of cancer deaths in Japan.

The probabilities of an immense tragedy happening seem not millions to one but a certainty.

Either TEOTWAWKI is gonna happen or it isn't. No matter your belief, the smart thing is to hedge. Even if TS doesn't HTF, what harm would it do to make a play on the short side? It's kinda like putting most of your money in a stock, but at the same buying some put contracts in that stock. So learn a useful trade, keep at home a month's living expenses in cash, maybe own a little cold and silver - preferably silver coins, stock up on the essentials, like food, water, medicines and 1st aide, etc. It might not guarantee ultimate survival, but on the other hand, might allow you to sqeak through a keyhole event.

And if a collapse never occurs, we can have a few chuckles over a beer or three. Just saying.

Every now and then I see something on the internet that just puts it all in perspective for me. this picture for example:
http://patrick.net/housing/market.html

But if we know that things are going to continue as they have until the last tree on our Easter Island is chopped down we must rise up with great force and take back what is ours.
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rise up with "furious anger and righteous indignation"...wasn't that how it went?

In so many areas of life - reality is turning "science-fiction-scary."

Good, accurate and concise description of the current state of the country and world.

So learn a useful trade, keep at home a month's living expenses in cash, maybe own a little cold and silver - preferably silver coins, stock up on the essentials, like food, water, medicines and 1st aide, etc. It might not guarantee ultimate survival, but on the other hand, might allow you to sqeak through a keyhole event.
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Yup....short term dislocations you can cover. Keep a few months chow around, trade goods, cooking capability etc.

If it turns into a long-term stinker....guess what? YOU'RE DOOOOOMED!!!

K-dog for the 1st president of the New United States of America (NUSA).

You know what, Doom? Nobody forces you to read any posting you don't want to read. Didn't anybody ever teach you hwow to scroll down past the posts you aren't interested in? Some of us (at least speaking for myself) actually like seeing links to what others who post here are writing. Maybe you're just jealous that you don't have the smarts to write your own blog.

.....and for those of you who have not seen Danny MacAskill yet, I'll post it again....sorry about that Amway commercial at the beginning...but its worth it to see his thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Cj6ho1-G6tw&vq=medium

Santa is double checking his database and doing a safety check on his mode of transportation for the big day. He will be looking forward to those cookies after finishing this year's projects in his workshop. Have a nice politically correct festive season.

You know what, Doom? Nobody forces you to read any posting you don't want to read.
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Hummm......now that would apply to you as well wouldn't it??

as opposed to what we have now: GSA- goldman sach's america...

You are using complexities to avoid the existential question - just like women do. And it is practical too since White Countries and only White Counties are being over run with aliens - without their consent as they have been betrayed by their own Goverments and Elites.

What you say about minorites is important though. Imagine how much more peaceful Africa would be inf the Countries created had been along major tribal lines? The more diversity, the more unrest and bloodshed obviously. Look how peaceful Japan is with almost no minorites except the very small Korean and the defeated and almost vanished Caucasian Ainu. So much for the gentleness of the East Asians, eh Turk? And now imagine how dangerous America will be in the near future with so much Diversity. And whether you are willing to admit or not, the advocates of diversity do use moral language and try and take the highground about the miscegenation of the West - genocide in other words.

The world would be so much better if only white men (strong, virile, muscles bulging) existed and no women (ick) or minorities (double ick ick)!

"maybe own a little cold...:" Oh my gosh, I think I have some of that!

Nice week's work, JHK. Thanks, as always!

"Reality is a harsh mistress. She insists that you pay attention and then, having done so, take care of business. Politics, on the other hand, is more like stage magic." -James H K-

Well said. All of our National level leaders know full well that they are in the business of Stage Craft. They have to. Despite their entertaining negative baggage, our politicians - have to be at least that minimally smart.

Given all that, you don't rise to National Prominence without being smart, on at least SOME level. Unfortunately, it's been quite a long while since we've had a National Leader who was smart on the level of basic science, biology, physics, or mathematics.

And since the "harsh mistress," reality - resides, full time, in the realms of science and mathematics - - it's no wonder we're in for a bad time of things, probably soon to get worse.

Rolling into the future without a clue -
Accelerator pedal jammed to the floorboard -
New immigrants coming in at 100,000 per month -

Would somebody tell me how this is supposed have a Happy Ending - for the US, or the Planet?



Sometimes I feel like I'm living in that movie, "Invastion of the Body Snatchers". The good version made in the '50s. I can smell the shit storm, but I have to pretend that we're all cool and the economy is recovering albeit slower than we might like. Otherwise I'd end up with no friends at all living in some god forsaken part of Idaho, with the only pussy to enjoy would be the kind that eats meow mix.

I have 3 siblings. They're all unemployed and recieving unemployment. I have been unemployed for two years now. My unemployment has run out. I just picked up a friend from the train station. She got her pink slip last Friday. And yet everywhere I turn, people are snapping up those xmas bargains, mall lots are full to over flowing, and they'res nary a word about any of the shit that's going down with a trade inbalance, super duper inflation, or the never to be tried banksters who've anally raped this country so bad, if we were a prisoner, we wouldn't be able to sit down for a week.

My absolute favorite quote last weekend had to be from the debate where Newt Romney said something to the effect that if he had a question about something regarding Israel, he'd call on his good friend Bibi for some real strong advice. Yeah, stick a fork in us, we're done. They're not even pretending anymore. Now let's all go out and buy new Nissan Altimas for the holidays! Way cool!

Thank you BEANTOWNBILL

Perhaps I should discuss k-dogs qualifications at this point.

There are perhaps 100,000 American men and women besides k-dog who have the passion intelligence skill and love for our mother earth who could lead this country better than any choice other than k-dog who has been presented to the American public so far. We are left with clowns in a rigged game as choices and the fools who actually think we have choices are legion.

This is why it is imperative that I win.

I'll leave it at that for now.

Since I am here though I've had a k-dog thought concerning revolution and the founding fathers.

Seems we now have more at stake than they ever did.

Doooooom! I'll see you in Hell!

Kramps: Ve are vorking on it. The womb can be artificially created, but not so the Sperm!

Ve will have sexual surrogate fembots before 2050! Btw, if you look, you will find alot of Feminists saying that men should be reduced to 10% of the population. They started the Gender War - but Ve vill finish it!

Aforementioned brother to above post called me Saturday to let me know he will be evicted in a month from his studio apartment. Soon to be homeless. Merry Christmas!

I'll take one!

Thanks Jim for your weekly .... um, "observations" and your very unique way of putting them into words. Your blog was pointed out to me a year or so ago by a long time friend.
My only peeve of your blog is regarding the posters who disagree with you and other posters who at some point crank up the pissing contests.... calling each (and occasionally even you!) nasty names and acting like, uh... I don't have a word for it.... inappropriate, immature and rude all come to mind, they don't totally convey,... close though.
Anyway, thanks for what you do.

ABSALOM,

I think it will more just be a slow falling apart, a contracting economy, and an ever-dropping standard of living. There's no one point that we'll point to and say "that's when the apocalypse finally arrived." There will simply be conspicuous events like the chaos of 2008 and then a lot of mundane days during which things get a little worse. We're already in it. Start making adjustments accordingly.

And yes, the indefinite detention stuff is pretty scary. I imagine there are some people who expect there to be some American uprisings in the coming years as we fail to come out of economic depression. That bill seems designed for it.

Joel

Calm down there, Dale. I think the 2012 Mayan Apocalypse stuff is nonsense. I just can't imagine there not being some moments of reckoning in the EU over the next year and would be surprised if the Euro made it out of 2012 intact--not because it's 2012, but because the EU financial structure is tenuous and not getting any stronger.

And if the Euro does go down, that's bound to have some far-ranging consequences, including here in the U.S.

Joel

"His job was to lead an epochal re-set of the economy to a very different disposition of things, smaller, finer, more local."
-jhk, speaking of Obama, who failed at this-

The "smaller, finer, more local" theme comes up frequently on this discussion thread. And the implication that the United States is exactly the opposite, and therefore is:

"larger, coarser, more global"
does not have to be stated, it is so obvious.

But, how do we get from here to there.
I don't think we do. Every political dollar being spent in the United States, and every outstandingly fine politician being purchased with that dollar - is oriented PRECISELY toward a United States that is -
"LARGER, COARSER, MORE GLOBAL."

Present trends will extend until they can not.
Our cities will grow and grow.
Food supply chains will lengthen and coarsen.
Our dependence on technology and petroleum will increase -

And our increase in population -
Which could easily be cut to ZERO, by simple Congressional action - by instituting Replacement Level Immigration - will not be addressed by our present crop of political baffoons.

Thus, being Americans - we've got to walk through the valley of the shadow of death, first -

What if we don't come out the other side, intact?

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K-Dog - How about making Replacement Level Immigration - one of the planks in your platform?

Vlad,

Most of the art I have is from trading with other artists. From an ideological standpoint, I believe in art that appeals on the level of personal aesthetics. Having said that, there are some very astute collectors, both from an aesthetic standpoint and from an investment standpoint. I happen to believe we are heading into a deflationary depression - read Krugman's latest column; he is calling it a depression right now - which suggests there are going to be a small minority of incredibly wealthy people still looking to purchase luxury items. So the astute collector will probably be able to unload some art and antique items. Milton Horn, another great and relatively obscure Jewish artist did just that during the Great Depression.

Hope you're doing OK there Vlad and take it easy - sometimes internet debate turns into a masochistic affair.

This discussion thread lost a passionate advocate for population growth, to his own choice of self-exile, last week.
And the general consensus of the CFN thread seems to be that US population control is important, even critical.

So - the floor is now wide open.

How fast do we want the United States to grow?
How do we create jobs for all these folks?
How do we even feed ourselves, and manage our own lives - in a World of "Peak Everything?"

Are there ANY reasons at all for high US immigration that do not involve one of the following three things?
1. Economic growth
2. Moral platitudes
3. Ethnic dining opportunities

Neon Vincent?
Sandy, the Kultur Critic?
Anyone else who wants to argue these points.
Silent night, here?

Sign me up for the WPA! I can Pick up heby tings and put dem bak down. I am Like Big John. I am only 75" and 235 so Big Johns got me beat. I got yer back , believe me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS3ErDN50Qk

They call me Lurch at work. You rang?

cheep...cheep...[crickrets] hey, there went a tumbleweed...

I read Elaines Blog, or skim it............
Its too depressing, fukushima.
Nothing I can do.

Oddly after months of not being able to buy Dulse at local market [they said due to Fukushima]
It was on shelf today so I bought..
Its from the waters of Japan.

"...inappropriate, immature and rude all come to mind..."

I'll take this. On behalf of the regular attendees, bite me crank, matey.

I wish I could either devise or be exposed to a mainstream ideology that I could really get behind. I now believe that the cultures that contain the largest populations are going to have to evolve quickly, radically, maybe impossibly, while on a moving treadmill. Governments and laws look good until they are implemented by damaged(?) humans. I've been watching solutions constructed with the morality of the past for all of my life. It just doesn't work and now we're repeating mistakes within the confines of mortal memory. No, it will all fizzle out chaotically. Hopefully with some memory of where modern civilizations screwed up.

As the Traitor W.F Buckley said, the first few hundred names in the New Haven phonebook could do better. Or Porn Film makers - at least they know how to keep to a budget.

I think that it is imperative that you win because, most likely, you will have accomplished the victory without it having been predicted by Anderson Cooper.

Given a long enough time scale, we're all doomed. (Apologies to Keynes on that one.)

If you mean death, I don't consider death and doom (the kind US citizens are facing) to be equivalent.

Prog - Victory is often thus - unaknowledged, bittersweet. They know we are right, have nothing to say, but are not happy about it. Ah well, that's their problem. Asoka junkies and immigrant enablers denied of their fix.

I worked with a woman who gave the ethnic food reason why immigration was good. Typical selfish American - can't think past their own bellies and genitals.

What do you see happening when it goes to the Supreme Court?

Don't worry about me. We're going to make em say Uncle. Uncle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5dm7AYZ-tg&feature=youtu.be

Yeah, Vlad, the Japanese are so peaceful that they were the Nazi Germans of East Asia until the US slapped them down, within living memory. In the pre-modern era, Japan was one of the most violent societies on the planet and underwent hundreds of years of Civil War and strife before political unification. Racial homogeneity != peace.

"Typical selfish American - can't think past their own bellies and genitals."

I've been to a lot of different countries. I've found that the older the culture, the more open they are about their belly and genital imperatives. If not in the letter of the law, then certainly within local traditions.

Here's what racial homogeneity gets you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTkXDOBmvtQ

Uh, okay.

The Europeans are mostly considered the same race (Caucasians), yet European history is probably the bloodiest of any region on the earth. They always found something to fight about, whether it was different languages, cultures, or (usually) some different take on the same religion. Let's face it. Everyone having the same skin color doesn't mean that the society will be like singing Kumbaya around the camp fire. The Muslims fight amongst themselves because some believe that the son of Mohammed was divine and others don't, and they're mostly all Arabs.

America is unsafe because there are too many firearms here. You take away the guns, and it wouldn't be very dangerous at all. Almost 70% of murders are performed with them, and almost 50% of robberies. You take that out of the equation, and America would be far less violent, regardless of the supposed dangers of racial miscegenation (are you stuck in 1951 or what?).

That's really why Japan isn't a very dangerous place at all. No guns. You feel really safe walking down the street, because you know that the odds of having a gun pulled on you are very small. And, yes, I have been there before.

The Fire of Hell is simply God's Love denied. You are the one who makes it hot by your resistance. It is cool and bright but hatred makes it dark and hot. We must become new lightbulbs - does not the Bible say that the spirit of Man is the candle of the Lord?
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VK you racist bigotted god botherer. Its a pity there is no hell because as sure as night follows day, you'd be desitined for it.

"You continue to amaze with your capacity for cluelessness."

What I say bothers you. Good. Now, Impaler, ask yourself how much do you want to encourage me?

"What are you smoking?"

Wrong question, Impaler. Care to change the method of delivery for my drug of choice?

You have already seen inflation in asset prices (houses, etc) and now you will see deflation in those assets.

You will see inflation in the necessities of life (food/energy) as the Feds money printing agenda (QE1, QE2, ..QE infinity) provides those TBTF banks that get first access to that money the opportunity to bid up commodity prices 'risk free' as the Fed underwrites the privatization of profits and socialization of losses. We are already seeing this inflation in all types of commodities.
http://www.smartmoney.com/invest/strategies/grain-farmers-are-harvesting-big-bucks-22617/

This can go on for quite awhile until slowly the purchasing power of the average citizen decays to the point that they can no longer afford even the basic necessities. There is no more insidious form of theft than intentional currency debasement as very few can detect the long term consequences as it happens so slowly.

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies..."
Thomas Jefferson on private banking institutions

"As the Traitor W.F Buckley"

Vlad, you sell yourself down the river *HARDCORE*. No wonder 2 different kunts/kramps appeared in your wake.

How you can disrespect the only *legitimate* right-wing repubtard "WFB" like that, defies belief. Perhaps you were in the urinal (literally, LAPPING IT UP - LAP-DOG).

You've got it exactly right.

As long as I personally have a job, then the collapse is not here, even if I see more people unemployed, and the ER is full of crazy people, but the mental hospital has closed 60 beds, and more people are killing themselves, and people can't be transferred because they can't pay for the gas.

And so many houses still have blue tarps on their roofs, and so many trees are still down, and the dead animals on the side of the road just stay there until they rot, because no one picks them up anymore.

That's how it happens.

"The three meltdowns has resulted 600 tons of 5000 degree radioactive masses boring into the earth and when they hit ground water all hell is going to break loose. And the 640,000 fuel rods sitting in damaged pools is another huge problem."

I've been poasting about this, along with Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Bikini Atoll, and Chernobyl, for quite a *while*. And others have been voicing offense here, concerning Fukushima, and the *CHINA SYNDROME*, on and off for a few months...

I was more concerned with when that Fukushima meltdown would hit a fault line/live lava (Japan volcanic meltdown). But you bring it even closer to home - when it hits the water table.

One must *WONDER* why Nagasaki and Hiroshima are so "safe" today, when the cesium half-lifes are in the tens to hundreds of thousands of years... Who came along and *MAJIKALLY* cleaned it all up? *GHAD*?!?

Now I remember. I've looked it up, but only found the youtube version. Can you post a link?

I have two ex-co-workers who went to work for Homeland Security.

One is a right-winger. I saw him not too long ago, and made a joke about the FEMA camps at the airport, and he looked startled. Then he saw that I was kidding and ha-ha'd about it. I had actually been kidding, but his reaction made me wonder.

The other one is apolitical and kept disregarding my warnings about Homeland Security and its ulterior motives. But something happened to freak this person out, and the last time I saw them, they would only say "I wouldn't put anything past them".

So I am pretty sure that something is going on. Obviously, most people employed by Homeland Security believe that they are doing the lord's work, keeping americans safe, blah, blah, blah.

But they don't know the overall plan. I don't either, obviously, but I wouldn't put anything past them.

"You've got it exactly right."

You and me - we are *THE SAME*! Say it ain't so!!!

How about Kramps and his/her siblings! The story is nothing, but an unfolding of *REALITY*. Believe DAT!

To those who think the rule of law disintegrated in the last ten years or so, this article commemorating Gary Webb's investigation of the intelligence community's involvement in bringing cocaine into the USA will be a reminder that it was thoroughly compromised in the Reagan years:

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/276-74/8838-the-warning-in-gary-webbs-death

Wrong again, kdog.

It's imperative that Jill Stein wins.

http://www.jillstein.org/

Replacement level? Why do we need to replace too many Americans?

Harper's Magazine had an ad for Negative Population Growth this month. I would think you'd be all over that, not replacement immigration.

www.npg.org

As the Traitor W.F Buckley said, the first few hundred names in the New Haven phonebook could do better. Or Porn Film makers - at least they know how to keep to a budget.

I used to watch W.F when he had his TV show sometimes.

Good humor Vlad - The chances of beating me out in the first few hundred is only 50/50 and porn film makers no how to do more than balance a budget.

Hee Haw and Giddy Up, Wage!!
http://www.npg.org/
That is the best and most excellent little website I believe I've ever seen.
Thank you for bringing it to our attention.
And ZPG for the United States is a far, far better idea than "replacement level" immigration.
I don't know how I've missed their website.
It looks fairly new.
I'll look around tomorrow and see if I can join and send them some money.
I can go back to bed now and sleep the blissful sleep of hope - or something, I'm getting carried away here.

ZPG.org looks awesome.

BTW, what's Jill Stein's position on immigration and population growth? I haven't been able to find it in print anywhere.

it was suppose to be know how to do more than balance a budget.

K-Dog - How about making Replacement Level Immigration - one of the planks in your platform?

OK progress2conserve you want something more definitive from me on immigration so I’m going to throw you a bone.

We can’t do anything without restoring the rule of law so every non-citizen has to get documented in a reasonable amount of time. Documents are renewable but you can’t work without them and you had better get them. Employers who employ guest workers report all employees and pay a tax for each guest worker they employ or go to jail. The tax rate is designed to give American workers a fair shake at getting a job in their native country and to account for the drain on social services. A ‘town meeting’ about this is essential the people get the final say.

NPG.org, not ZPG - My mistake.
Awesome! Send money if you've got it!
Give time if you don't.

Exactly - the system is so corrupt the only way to restore order is a sneak attack.

Since you posted she who shall not be named's website I'll be looking at it over in the next few days thanks.

I have to tell you though I really don't think the green party takes things seriously enough or spends enough time thinking through the complex issues we face in our fast paced post-postmodern world. They seem superficial and caught in a straitjacket of rhetoric to me.

But I have an open mind so I'll take a look.

Brilliant entry, Jim. I would be ROFL if not for realizing the more prudent response is HFS (Is that a recognized acronym? If not, you can probably figure it out). At least Krugman finally uttered the "D" word today--perhaps reality is finally filtering into the mainstream consciousness, but I'm not holding my breath. A friend recently characterized Obama as "intellectually masturbating while the rest of us suffer." I think that pretty well sums up the disconnect between the one percent and the rest of us.

It's no that the Man Brain - the Mind - the Processor - the Observer ((the Inquirer ?) notice how many different terms must be used to just delimit what we are talking about) is an "Independent Variable" (although it can be), but it is the Only Variable, the only entity that seems to exist. You can create a model of Mind and an abstract external reality that exists independent of the mind, but at this point we are in pure fantasy, pure metaphysics. So if you believe in the reality of external reality, (along with space, time, matter, memories, other people, other minds), then why not believe in any other fantasy item ? why not in rocks being alive and thinking, etc. Then my theory of just inventing anything, create anything, be as contradictory and imaginative as possible is just as good.

Beware, the Man Brain as understood in my interpretation (what a joke of an interpretation! all attacks are welcome, don't worry!) is the set of all Man Brains of a civilization considered as a single entity, a single instance of a given design of Man Brain. In fact our reality principle and the perception of external reality and the extension of reality immersed in an objective - external space time is completely due to apparently independent mind brains reciprocally confirming collectivity the same interactions, creating a generalized consensus along with the memory and patterns discovered, giving the impression of a real objective reality: nothing further from the truth, just because our particular Man Brain design is designed in such a way as to be repeated millions of times and occupying different points in space and time, different experiences of each Man Brain, and the communications amongst them doesn't make that design any more real then a single Man Brain design that doesn't need communication with other instances of itself. It is just Matter (matter talking to itself, interacting with itself) organized and subdivided in any number of possible ways, divided in trillions of mind brains communicating and independent, not divided at all, disjoint, large, trillions of very different Man Brains communicating some bits and some not, small, etc. you can imagine a Man Brain that is just a gas (but information transfers amongst the cells or atoms or transistors or circuits is present), etc.

So BRANIUM simply defines everything and anything a new Man Brain, nay, a Mind Brain (as Man is just one design of trillions of possible designs), a new processor, everything is a possible brain.

So as you see the abstraction levels can increase, it becomes difficult to explore...

(Anyone understand anything of all of that insanity above ? just wondering...)


TOBOR THE EIGHT MAN

They are a united people and their goverment actually works for them to some extent at least. The social capital is much higher than here. We have no such unity even among Whites what to speak of all the others. We need guns far more than they do.

Yes they've gone thru cycles - some of them quite warlike as have we. But they are still there after thousands of years and many dynasties, regimes, and Kingdoms. We will not be. That's the difference and that's the power of a common ethne and the weakness of its lack.

Fear of guns if a fear of your own masculinity. In many ways, you are like a woman.


Reference

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177509

Some corrections for your thesis:

It's NOT that the Man Brain - the Mind - the Processor - the Observer ((the Inquirer ?) notice how many different terms must be used to just delimit what we are talking about) is an "Independent Variable" (although it can be), but it is the Only Variable, the only entity that seems to exist.

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"And now, alas, at Christmas time, the world has gotten a margin call and needs to fork over a whole lot of collateral in order to demonstrate that the global system of financial obligations is legit. Only the collateral turns out to be all this dubious paper, really just a bouquet of promises to pay in distant future Tuesdays for trillions of hamburgers today."

No, the collateral is mostly simply the worldwide stock of real estate: houses, skyscrapers, malls, etc. That is mostly the collateral and what is backing up everything. But real estate can only be exchanged so many times, can only be inflated up to a certain point, after you need other activities, other exchanges, other entities to exchange but at that point you run in the wall of the Technological Economy that has done away with the need of work to produce almost everything, has automated and optimized work out of existence. Therefore, governments worldwide should pay 800 dollars a month to a billion people, just to keep the consumer economy running. And furnish cheap rents, 200 dollars a month for a 2 bedroom house - apartment. This never will happen, then just prepare for millions of fights of everyone against everyone for millions of reasons...

By the way, Europe isn't even defined, delimited, is such a vague and ambiguous entity, no one knows where it starts or ends (from Iceland to Turkey ? or Russia ? how far in Russia ?, etc.) No one knows how they are tied together (are they ?) and even who they are Norway ? UK ? Switzerland ? Ukraine ? anyone ? Oh but Norway and UK don't have the Euro, they are all very special little turds, etc. They think they are cool or simply hogs that want to keep their cash like Norway and Switzerland, what a huge real clusterph*k of a continent, so many languages, so many different cultures, they should simply be merged into the USA, the entire continent (except Russia) should just become a new USA state (state name could be NEW EUROPE or EAST VIRGINIA) and adapt the standard USA culture, language and system, since that is a standard that anyone can relate to, in fact the europeans relate much better to the USA then between themselves, go figure.

And then the FED can print trillions and hand it over to them...


"And now, alas, at Christmas time, the world has gotten a margin call and needs to fork over a whole lot of collateral in order to demonstrate that the global system of financial obligations is legit. Only the collateral turns out to be all this dubious paper, really just a bouquet of promises to pay in distant future Tuesdays for trillions of hamburgers today."

No, the collateral is mostly simply the worldwide stock of real estate: houses, skyscrapers, malls, etc. That is mostly the collateral and what is backing up everything. But real estate can only be exchanged so many times, can only be inflated up to a certain point, after you need other activities, other exchanges, other entities to exchange but at that point you run in the wall of the Technological Economy that has done away with the need of work to produce almost everything, has automated and optimized work out of existence. Therefore, governments worldwide should pay 800 dollars a month to a billion people, just to keep the consumer economy running. And furnish cheap rents, 200 dollars a month for a 2 bedroom house - apartment. This never will happen, then just prepare for millions of fights of everyone against everyone for millions of reasons...

By the way, Europe isn't even defined, delimited, is such a vague and ambiguous entity, no one knows where it starts or ends (from Iceland to Turkey ? or Russia ? how far in Russia ?, etc.) No one knows how they are tied together (are they ?) and even who they are Norway ? UK ? Switzerland ? Ukraine ? anyone ? Oh but Norway and UK don't have the Euro, they are all very special little turds, etc. They think they are cool or simply hogs that want to keep their cash like Norway and Switzerland, what a huge real clusterph*k of a continent, so many languages, so many different cultures, they should simply be merged into the USA, the entire continent (except Russia) should just become a new USA state (state name could be NEW EUROPE or EAST VIRGINIA) and adapt the standard USA culture, language and system, since that is a standard that anyone can relate to, in fact the europeans relate much better to the USA then between themselves, go figure.

And then the FED can print trillions and hand it over to them...


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177509

Western Civilization is not collapsing, we are getting richer and richer everyday, every new car produced, every new house built, every new of hundreds of products produced (sofas, beds, movies, books, blogs, techno music, etc.) creates a richer and richer society. We are going forward and getting richer everyday, suck it up dude and stop the doomster crap. We will enter an infinite resource society.

TOBOR ATE MAN


Some small correction for San Jose Mommy and Alexandra, so they can copy it for their thesis on "Modifying the Fundamental Structure and Design of Minds and Brains and discovering the New Universes with new Laws of Physics that can be Perceived, Experienced and Invented"

by THE APE

Beware, the Man Brain as understood in my interpretation (what a joke of an interpretation! all attacks are welcome, don't worry!) is the set of all Man Brains of a civilization considered as a single entity, a single instance of a given design of Man Brain. In fact our reality principle and the perception of external reality and the extension of reality immersed in an objective - external space time is completely due to apparently independent mind brains reciprocally confirming collectively the same interactions, creating a generalized consensus along with the memory and patterns discovered, giving the impression of a real objective reality: nothing further from the truth, just because our particular Man Brain design is designed in such a way as to be repeated millions of times and occupying different points in space and time, different experiences of each Man Brain, and the communications amongst them doesn't make that design any more real then a single Man Brain design that doesn't need communication with other instances of itself. It is just Matter (matter talking to itself, interacting with itself) organized and subdivided in any number of possible ways, divided in trillions of mind brains communicating and independent, not divided at all, disjoint, large, trillions of very different Man Brains communicating some bits and some not, small, etc. you can imagine a Man Brain that is just a gas (but information transfers amongst the cells or atoms or transistors or circuits is present), etc.

"...rise up with "furious anger and righteous indignation"...wasn't that how it went?"

Careful there, they'll start calling you "religious" or a "tea hatter".

"I've been to a lot of different countries. I've found that the older the culture, the more open they are about their belly and genital imperatives. If not in the letter of the law, then certainly within local traditions."

By "open" do you mean taboos are openly discussed and consequences understood by all members of the society? Even the leaders are expected to avoid them? Teachers {and preachers} of cultural imperatives are honored and serve as examples? Wickedness is not tolerated? The innocent are protected? Old is good? Who-da-thunk!

"It just doesn't work and now we're repeating mistakes within the confines of mortal memory."

Don't repeat the mistakes, repeat what works.

JHK sez:

"The world has run out of money, that is credible money of the type that represents real wealth, and yet is up to its ears in paper representations of putative wealth-like stuff: mortgages, credit default swaps, Gold ETFs, synthetic CDOs, naked shorts, bonds of all sorts. And now, alas, at Christmas time, the world has gotten a margin call and needs to fork over a whole lot of collateral in order to demonstrate that the global system of financial obligations is legit."

************

FDR sez: (first Inaugural 03-04-33)

"And yet our distress comes from no failure of substance. We are stricken by no plague of locusts. Compared with the perils which our forefathers conquered, because they believed and were not afraid, we have still much to be thankful for. Nature still offers her bounty and human efforts have multiplied it. Plenty is at our doorstep, but a generous use of it languishes in the very sight of the supply.

Primarily, this is because the rulers of the exchange of mankind's goods have failed, through their own stubbornness and their own incompetence, have admitted their failure, and have abdicated. Practices of the unscrupulous money changers stand indicted in the court of public opinion, rejected by the hearts and minds of men.

True, they have tried. But their efforts have been cast in the pattern of an outworn tradition. Faced by failure of credit, they have proposed only the lending of more money. Stripped of the lure of profit by which to induce our people to follow their false leadership, they have resorted to exhortations, pleading tearfully for restored confidence. They only know the rules of a generation of self-seekers. They have no vision, and when there is no vision the people perish.

Yes, the money changers have fled from their high seats in the temple of our civilization. We may now restore that temple to the ancient truths. The measure of that restoration lies in the extent to which we apply social values more noble than mere monetary profit."

***************

He followed that with this statemnent:

"Happiness lies not in the mere possession of money; it lies in the joy of achievement, in the thrill of creative effort. The joy, the moral stimulation of work no longer must be forgotten in the mad chase of evanescent profits. These dark days, my friends, will be worth all they cost us if they teach us that our true destiny is not to be ministered unto but to minister to ourselves, to our fellow men."

************

We still have not learned this lesson, but not for lack of having it presented and written for us by our history. Today the corrupt money changers are determined to hold on to their "high seats in the temple of our civilization" even if by doing so they must tear down that temple to its very foundations. The passivity of the general population in the wake of such corruption and arrogance of power is the real ill that ails humanity.


I am a 21st Century Schizoid Man ...


Song by King Crimson 1969

Songwriters: Robert Fripp, Michael Giles, Greg Lake, Ian Mcdonald

Cat's foot, iron claw
Neuro-surgeons scream for more
At paranoia's poison door
21st century schizoid man

Blood rack, barbed wire
Politicians' funeral pyre
Innocents raped with napalm fire
21st century schizoid man

21st century
21st century
21st century
21st century schizoid man

Death seed, blind man's greed
Poets starving, children bleed
Nothing he's got he really needs
21st century schizoid man

21st century
21st century schizoid man
21st century schizoid man

Welcome to the 21st century

sorry, i don t know how to post a link...i googled 'jesse ventura conspiracy theory', then "clicked" conspiracies (touchscreen)...within the article, there are several blue links; i followed them...i know he seems like a nutcase, but i remembered seeing his show once before, maybe a year or two ago, that was talking about a homeland sec program that recruits people in certain fields- emts, deputies, etc- to "keep a watch for certain elements, and report back"...i m pretty sure i know at least one...wannabe cop, applied several times, real "patriotic" whacko- you know the type...

prog- just out of curiosity, where do you stand on sex-ed- think there s a place for it in school; or should kids just 'learn' from parents, peers, tv, etc...? cuz it seems like a central part of any discussion of population...

Watch out: The Neo-Cons are coming, the Neo-Cons are coming!

From the mind of Newt: Newt has already told us that his pick for Sec. of State is none other than our old favorite Yosemite Sam, John Bolton. That's enough to keep you up at night--can you imagine the most undiplomatic war-monger as leader of US diplomats!!

Yep, they are licking their chops over Iran--you can see the drool forming from their mouths and Syria and Russia and China are moving their chess pieces around in response.

Liz Cheney is making noise about leaving Iraq, an agreement that her father's administration signed into agreement, which of course she won't address.--What will the privatized contractors do for money?

--Gots to keep the war machine feeding on the taxpayers' money going for profit!

go to infoclearinghouse.info, there s an article from last night about american troops on the syrian border...says us media were "requested" not to report on the story til today

Perhaps the privatized "contractors" in Baghdad will become trapped behind their blast-walls, Dien Bien Phu-style.

This amazing hubris needs an undeniable/unavoidable lesson. There is no honor in these murderous "occupations" (in either sense).

Plus, it really is time to get over the glorification of the military as the zenith of our "culture" and "civilization". Guess who told us that it was? Those who want to control everyone and steal/underpay for the products of your labor. Think about it. It's a vampiric obscenity, as fascism always is...

It also allows the full use of the US military to persue the enemy anywhere anytime. Before Starship Troopers there was "Fritz the Cat". Picture the scene from the movie when the rioting crows are so out of control that the only sane solution is to call in an airstrike. Now picture F-16's from the NYANG rolling in over OWS and the tanks of napalm gliding in on target ! Oh yeah ! Bucu crispy critters !

IF THIS IS PASSED WE IS FUCKED....BIG TIME !

Maybe they will just use the drones to pick off the leadership of any resistance. The same drones that are smoking rats in the sand are also flying along our northern border. Patroling Lake Erie looking for threats coming across from the "Great White North".

If any of you want to see first hand what any resistance will have to face, go to youtube and check out things like FILR, AH-64 or AC-130. You can view videos taken in the sand box and the 'stan of action at night. There is nowhere to hide. Your body heat stands out like a white dot on a dark backround. There is a AC-130 video where they are smoking rats as fast as they can aquire the target. 105 mm or 20 mm from who knows how far out. The AH-64 stuff is equally impressive.

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE ! BOHICA !

That was a great link and well worth the time to watch.

Hopefully R P will get the job in 2012 and after that we'll just have to see what shakes out.

RON PAUL 2012....BECAUSE THE REST SUCK !

Okay the Paul K. article that several have mentioned:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29957.htm

(Excerpt):
December 12, 2011 "New York Times" -- It’s time to start calling the current situation what it is: a depression. True, it’s not a full replay of the Great Depression, but that’s cold comfort. -PK
---------------------

Not a "full replay" of the GD, eh, Paul?
Let's face it squarely; it'll be much worse.
The population is MUCH larger, cheap energy MUCH scarcer, (per capita), and gov'ts everywhere are squealing that they haven't the fiscal resources to provide anything for their respective publics. What in the world does that equation get you, Paul? THE END OF GROWTH and MASSIVE PRIVATION. Christ, talk about chained to a paradigm!

He goes on to talk about the rise of the fascista, as if it were a strange and unexpected result of economic collapse. I got a newsflash for ya, Paulie: These are the exact conditions most favorable to despots, spouting, "...strength in unity and group-think; individual thought is dangerous to the common cause!"

He describes what's happening [politically and economically] in Hungary. Change a few names and push the time-frame forward a bit, and there we are. Does he see this? Again, being blind to the motivations behind the "economic principles" his job depends on, I'd have to say, probably not.
(If it's a veiled warning, he's got it veiled inside a sensory-deprivation tank.)

Let's please not forget that although the names of the political entities in this country have not changed; those that they are beholden to certainly have. (At least the pretending is over anyway.) It's all about promoting feudalism now; how that gets done will determine it's success or failure. Crumbs and table-scraps, or bullies and bullets? That will determine the amount of resistance to "the program".

CF,

Regarding sex ed - this is what I posted last week in response to Vlad and the Neo Conservative Alleged Christian Preacher/Politicians -
Who tend to thunder from on high:

"Thou shalt not commit abortion for any reason, even in the case of rape or a horrible defective fetus."
===================
So, here's what makes sense to me, as a member of American society - and as a father of two sons who have managed to make it to adulthood despite some of the effects OF that society:

1.Excellent birth control for all.
2.Excellent birth control education* for all at puberty, at the latest.
3. Excellent availability of pregnancy tests, morning after pills, and RU-486 for the first 6 weeks of pregnancy.

4. No abortions after that - except in cases of severe fetal deformities or when the life of the mother is in danger.

*Birth control education - I think this is a better term than sex education. We don't need to spend a month teaching 9th grade boys about the Filipino Tubes and how they connect to the Oracle of Ovary, or whatever.

Boys, especially, just need a short condensed course on birth control, as follows:
1. If you get someone pregnant, you have possibly ruined three lives - your girlfriend's, the baby's, and YOURS!"
2. Cover your stump before you hump!

Rip,
They're Aussies ! But did you notice all the weapons references were about edged weapons. Here at home it would've broken down to a discussion of what type of weapon and which caliber do you prefer.

My pref's run to 12 gauge BB's + 4 or .45 in 230 JHP. They have to get thru the door and past the German Shepard first.

Phil

I do not understand much of economy, but I know mathematics well enough to understand that paper money gets value from the work and the goods that people produce.
And the fact that you have astronomic debts means just one thing: there is too much money compared to the work and good produced.
Either you reduce the value of the currency and you earn a lot of it, or you reduce the value of your work and goods and you have little of it.
This is the only sustainable mean to go on.
Thinking that you can print as much money as you like and that its value is almost the same is a dream that cost USA a lot of wars and will cost a lot more, if they want to go on on this pattern.
Because to make people outside the US to accept your currency either you stop printing it, or you fight and oblige them.
Angela Merkel has, in my opinion, the merit to have said the only right thing that has to be said: if you want to be credible you have to spend as much as you earn, not a penny more.
And since most Europeans enjoyed spending more than what they produced, now they have to do the only thing you do when you are overweight: diet.
As sad, as terrible it can look.
And if that means to be a Nazi, then being one is a good thing.

Pretty funny, P2C.

Practically speaking, I do believe you've landed a 15" H-E round right on the bridge of the HMS: "Damn-Foolish Notions".

Smart and sensible; that's why such a thing is unlikely to be implemented. ;o) (Things change drastically enough, with enough acknowledgement of reality, there might be hope for such sensible ideas.)

Hey, Folks, don't forget to spay or neuter your boyfriends and girlfriends! -Bob the Barker

C F. There was never any Conspiroacy ! Just a plan and it's nearing completion.

As for the camp thing. Anyone who has served in the armed forces had a threat evaluation done on them when they ETS'd. Mine was done in 1968 so I hope if it does go down it will be FEMA Lite. Or maybe it will just be a cost effective termination.

Good luck where ever you are.

You would not object to an Asian, African or Jewish person fighting back against the genocide being perpetrated via mass immigration and forced intergration, so why do you spew such vitriol at the polite well spoken real Vlad?

Anyway rumor has it that Iran is conducting military exercises to ramp up the price of oil.

"This discussion thread lost a passionate advocate for population growth, to his own choice of self-exile, last week."

Losing this passionate advocate is a good thing and a bad thing. It's a good thing because sites like this serve as a platform for destructive ideas and, as we've seen repeatedly throughout history, bad ideas are just as likely to take root and propagate as good ones.

It's a bad thing that this "passionate advocate" is gone because these bad ideas need to be confronted: someone famous once said that sunlight and fresh air are the best disinfectants. Better to have such stuff out in the open where it can be argued and a site like this is as good a place as any.

There's a place in life for common sense. The problem is that some people seem to be immune to it, the so-called "educated" being every bit as likely to shield themselves from plain and simple truth with layers of ideology and illogic as the less educated. How did we all end up where we are after all if not by following the leadership and dictates of our elites?


Newworld,

You might be interested in the study of group identity at the Occidental Quarterly.

Can't say I agree with it but it brings up some interesting aspects of economics as the basis of 'vitriol".

rise up with "furious anger and righteous indignation"...wasn't that how it went?

It went exactly the way you read it. It is original k-dog. If I quote something there will be quotation marks. Most of the time I give the source and I may format the quote as well. Like this:

"Rise like Lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number,
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you -
Ye are many - they are few."

Percy Bysshe Shelley - The Mask of Anarchy

Usually I will just give a name.

k-dog for president.

You're welcome, Prog.

I don't know Jill Stein's position on immigration. But I know that she is anti-war, pro civil liberties, pro-rail, pro-environment, pro-choice and more.

OK, I get it. You're still mad at me for saying you're not serious, so you say the Green Party isn't serious.

But you offered to work for dog biscuits, and the Green Party has spent years out petitioning, campaigning, hashing out positions, fighting to get ballot access, fighting to get into debates, and all the other hoops that serious parties have to jump through to try to challenge the two corporate parties.

Because if you had a clue, you wouldn't say that the Green Party doesn't take "things seriously enough or spends enough time thinking through the complex issues we face in our fast paced post-postmodern world".

You mean things like peak oil, corporate domination, endless war and destruction of our environment? Things that the Green Party was founded to oppose? Things that our candidates run on?

Are complex issues like that only to be discussed at Clusterfuck? While "serious" (i.e. corporate sponsered) candidates talk about "serious" problems, like HPV vaccines, and "vote" on how old the Earth is, and whether it is getting warmer?

I don't think that you're serious, so I'll let you slide. But if you really believe that only corporate sponsered candidates can be taken seriously, then I'm seriously disappointed in you.

Like the archdruid says, paradigm shift or perish.

Either people refuse to take part in the endless farce that our "election cycle" has become, and really get involved in changing our society, or we perish.

Because the parade of preening puppets we are presented with to "choose from" should be insulting to any thinking, aware person.

Poet: Thanks for posting that.

Reminds me of the old saying: Those that don't learn history are doomed to repeat it ( or something like that).
:(

Anyway, I'm already looking forward to the nominating conventions of next summer, when angry mobs of the swindled and desperate descend on Charlotte and Tampa like ravaging locusts. Won't that be a wake up call!
This assumes that the swindled and desperate will still have sufficient funds to descend like locusts or anything else. It also assumes that the Media will pay attention to them once they get there which in our new reality-optional nation carries no guarantee at all.

American newspapers are now extinct and the POX news is as skilled as a 14 year old with a new copy of Photoshop in misrepresenting what really happens out there.

When a tree falls in the forest and there is nobody around to hear it the tree just falls down. That's all.

Things are moving quickly and any gathering in Charlotte or Tampa of tents, t-shirts and tattoos may me labeled a seditious meeting and dealt with appropriately.

And now I'll eat one of my Christmas Brownies.

k-dog for president.

Yeah, what he said! I quote that speech all the time.

We didn't have to choose to bail out the moneylenders. Faced with a failure of credit, we could have let them fail, and turned to a different monetary system, as the Green Party calls for, and Dennis Kucinich has introduced into Congress.

But, no, the serious candidates mouth platitudes about workers living within their means, while they pour sixteen trillion dollars into the pockets of the wealthy.

That's the choice that these monsters have made.

http://wagelaborer.blogspot.com/2010/07/plague-of-locusts.html

Yeah, change the names, and the location, but it seems pretty current to me.

Criminalization of dissent, while financial fraud goes highly rewarded and unprosecuted, control of the news media, (good article on Gary Webb), frankly farcial and fraudulent elections, militarization of the police, open lawlessness by the elite, with draconian sentences for the poor, lionization of the military, with open imperialism...I don't think we need to play it forward. We've got it now.

From another of my favorite books- They Thought They Were Free..

"What no one seemed to notice," said a colleague of mine, a philologist, "was the ever widening gap, after 1933, between the government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know, it doesn’t make people close to their government to be told that this is a people’s government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing, to do with knowing one is governing.

"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

"This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.

"You will understand me when I say that my Middle High German was my life. It was all I cared about. I was a scholar, a specialist. Then, suddenly, I was plunged into all the new activity, as the university was drawn into the new situation; meetings, conferences, interviews, ceremonies, and, above all, papers to be filled out, reports, bibliographies, lists, questionnaires. And on top of that were the demands in the community, the things in which one had to, was ‘expected to’ participate that had not been there or had not been important before. It was all rigmarole, of course, but it consumed all one’s energies, coming on top of the work one really wanted to do. You can see how easy it was, then, not to think about fundamental things. One had no time."

"Those," I said, "are the words of my friend the baker. ‘One had no time to think. There was so much going on.’"

"Your friend the baker was right," said my colleague. "The dictatorship, and the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting. It provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway. I do not speak of your ‘little men,’ your baker and so on; I speak of my colleagues and myself, learned men, mind you. Most of us did not want to think about fundamental things and never had. There was no need to. Nazism gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about—we were decent people—and kept us so busy with continuous changes and ‘crises’ and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by the machinations of the ‘national enemies,’ without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. Unconsciously, I suppose, we were grateful. Who wants to think?

"To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it—please try to believe me—unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, ‘regretted,’ that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these ‘little measures’ that no ‘patriotic German’ could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head.

"How is this to be avoided, among ordinary men, even highly educated ordinary men? Frankly, I do not know. I do not see, even now. Many, many times since it all happened I have pondered that pair of great maxims, Principiis obsta and Finem respice—‘Resist the beginnings’ and ‘Consider the end.’ But one must foresee the end in order to resist, or even see, the beginnings. One must foresee the end clearly and certainly and how is this to be done, by ordinary men or even by extraordinary men? Things might have. And everyone counts on that might.

"Your ‘little men,’ your Nazi friends, were not against National Socialism in principle. Men like me, who were, are the greater offenders, not because we knew better (that would be too much to say) but because we sensed better. Pastor Niemöller spoke for the thousands and thousands of men like me when he spoke (too modestly of himself) and said that, when the Nazis attacked the Communists, he was a little uneasy, but, after all, he was not a Communist, and so he did nothing; and then they attacked the Socialists, and he was a little uneasier, but, still, he was not a Socialist, and he did nothing; and then the schools, the press, the Jews, and so on, and he was always uneasier, but still he did nothing. And then they attacked the Church, and he was a Churchman, and he did something—but then it was too late."

"Yes," I said.

"You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn’t see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk, alone; you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

"Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, ‘everyone’ is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there would be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’

"And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have.

"But your friends are fewer now. Some have drifted off somewhere or submerged themselves in their work. You no longer see as many as you did at meetings or gatherings. Informal groups become smaller; attendance drops off in little organizations, and the organizations themselves wither. Now, in small gatherings of your oldest friends, you feel that you are talking to yourselves, that you are isolated from the reality of things. This weakens your confidence still further and serves as a further deterrent to—to what? It is clearer all the time that, if you are going to do anything, you must make an occasion to do it, and then you are obviously a troublemaker. So you wait, and you wait.

"But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

"And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.

"You have gone almost all the way yourself. Life is a continuing process, a flow, not a succession of acts and events at all. It has flowed to a new level, carrying you with it, without any effort on your part. On this new level you live, you have been living more comfortably every day, with new morals, new principles. You have accepted things you would not have accepted five years ago, a year ago, things that your father, even in Germany, could not have imagined.

"Suddenly it all comes down, all at once. You see what you are, what you have done, or, more accurately, what you haven’t done (for that was all that was required of most of us: that we do nothing). You remember those early meetings of your department in the university when, if one had stood, others would have stood, perhaps, but no one stood. A small matter, a matter of hiring this man or that, and you hired this one rather than that. You remember everything now, and your heart breaks. Too late. You are compromised beyond repair.

"What then? You must then shoot yourself. A few did. Or ‘adjust’ your principles. Many tried, and some, I suppose, succeeded; not I, however. Or learn to live the rest of your life with your shame. This last is the nearest there is, under the circumstances, to heroism: shame. Many Germans became this poor kind of hero, many more, I think, than the world knows or cares to know."

I said nothing. I thought of nothing to say.

"I can tell you," my colleague went on, "of a man in Leipzig, a judge. He was not a Nazi, except nominally, but he certainly wasn’t an anti-Nazi. He was just—a judge. In ’42 or ’43, early ’43, I think it was, a Jew was tried before him in a case involving, but only incidentally, relations with an ‘Aryan’ woman. This was ‘race injury,’ something the Party was especially anxious to punish. In the case at bar, however, the judge had the power to convict the man of a ‘nonracial’ offense and send him to an ordinary prison for a very long term, thus saving him from Party ‘processing’ which would have meant concentration camp or, more probably, deportation and death. But the man was innocent of the ‘nonracial’ charge, in the judge’s opinion, and so, as an honorable judge, he acquitted him. Of course, the Party seized the Jew as soon as he left the courtroom."

"And the judge?"

"Yes, the judge. He could not get the case off his conscience—a case, mind you, in which he had acquitted an innocent man. He thought that he should have convicted him and saved him from the Party, but how could he have convicted an innocent man? The thing preyed on him more and more, and he had to talk about it, first to his family, then to his friends, and then to acquaintances. (That’s how I heard about it.) After the ’44 Putsch they arrested him. After that, I don’t know."

I said nothing.

"Once the war began," my colleague continued, "resistance, protest, criticism, complaint, all carried with them a multiplied likelihood of the greatest punishment. Mere lack of enthusiasm, or failure to show it in public, was ‘defeatism.’ You assumed that there were lists of those who would be ‘dealt with’ later, after the victory. Goebbels was very clever here, too. He continually promised a ‘victory orgy’ to ‘take care of’ those who thought that their ‘treasonable attitude’ had escaped notice. And he meant it; that was not just propaganda. And that was enough to put an end to all uncertainty.

"Once the war began, the government could do anything ‘necessary’ to win it; so it was with the ‘final solution of the Jewish problem,’ which the Nazis always talked about but never dared undertake, not even the Nazis, until war and its ‘necessities’ gave them the knowledge that they could get away with it. The people abroad who thought that war against Hitler would help the Jews were wrong. And the people in Germany who, once the war had begun, still thought of complaining, protesting, resisting, were betting on Germany’s losing the war. It was a long bet. Not many made it."


Wecome aboard Wage! However I think you have been on the list for quite some time now! Keep up the fight! Uh-Oh Red flag!

On BBC saw some of the protesters interviewed trying to shut down the port in Seattle.

One dude was pretty old but still had the requisite ponytail. He looked like he might have been part of Mario Savio's free speech movement in Berkeley back in '59, and all protests after that everywhere, a pro, if you will. Of course the last thing colleges are interested in now is free speech. You have to be very, very careful what you say on campus so as not to offend the numerous aggrieved and protected minority groups. Mario Savio wouldn't fit in at Berkely nowadays, or else would be called a fascist.

BBC didn't take the protesters too seriously, calling them unfocused and callow. The next story was about the rigged elections in the Congo, and subsequent real, bloody internecine civil warfare, not the make believe kind.

--WSP7

Hey RipT, what list?

The sh-t list?

--WSP7

Hey now, Wage,
I didn't say it would be a long period of time before these symptoms became acute here.
I give it til juuuuust after the next [s]election.

(BTW, if it should happen to be the Newt, lock and load; the agenda won't be hidden beneath any veneers then. Obama's pretending as hard as he can right now; we'll see what legislation he'll be "forced" to implement if he gets in again.))

Hi Phil,Yea yer right. I am not familier with aussie gun laws. I'm partial to the 7.62. I had G. Shepards for years. Beautiful dogs. Now I have yorkys. Just as good alarm dogs plus they kill mice. They don't shed and leave me a little more room on the bed. They don't eat much either. I actually like my dogs more then most of the people I meet. They don't ask much of me just water, kibbles, and an ear scratch! K-Dog for President!

Howdy WSP, the watch list. I know u and wage butt heads but I think we all can really get along in here. Except for a certain un-named few. Right-left-up-down who really cares? I figure there are a lot of forward thinkers in here and that is why I waste so much time on the CFN!

Hi CFT, to post a link open two browser windows, While looking at the site you want to post highlight the address bar.Press the control key and the C key at the same time. That will copy the address. Go back to your post on CFN and press the control key and the V key. That will paste your link into your post. Give it a try. I hope this helps. RT

Yesterday a good 'ol boy, complete with coveralls, a farmseed cap, and a southern drawl, strolled into my yard with a twenty-something Arab boy who spoke broken English. WTF??? How did these two hook up? And why?

They wanted to buy a goat, or my sheep Harriet. NO.

But it creeped me out. And my emergency backup dogs(now my only dogs) barked briefly and then followed them, wagging their tails.

I want another German Shepherd. I just don't want to go through the chicken-killing part.

My main dog was a great watchdog, until she got so old. I really miss her.

Ok RipT because if it was the shit list I've been on one person or another's my whole life. I've found it doesn't take much for people to hate you, a word here, a look there, or maybe you have a new truck, or a nice little farm, or a good pension, or money in the bank etc. Any of those, and a million other things, are grounds enough.

Well, time to go out back & split some wood.

--WSP7

Well, I think that is why they put Obama in, and will leave him in for four more years.

Americans prefer the veneer. Bush/Cheney's open, sneering fascism perturbed our fantasies of a free country, so they stuck in a sociopath able to lie with a smile, thus reassuring the masses of our country's essential goodness.

It's working well. It doesn't matter how much farther right Obama moves the agenda, you still get people who swear that the Republicans would be much worse.

So they'll leave him in.

today's new word - rehypothecation

www.harveyorgan.blogspot.com

"One dude was pretty old but still had the requisite ponytail."

That wasn't mine. Ponytails don't count up here unless they are at least a foot and a half long and fluffy. Like mine.

I have fun with mine. Guys see my blonde hair when I'm driving and go ga-ga. They sneak into my blind spot and lurk. Then they'll creep up and when they see me and embarrass themselves they quick take the first left or speed up quick.

I'm tall and masculine but that gets lost on them when they go ga-ga 100 feet behind me.

I wonder if it was Rick.

Yes, the only way those clowns can get any traction is to start quoting RP.

Maul or wedge?

rehypothecation

I'm not at the site yet but I think I learned this last week.

Is it when you have a loan out on someone (they owe you money) and you use their assets as collateral so that you can take out a loan from someone else?

Seemed ludicrous to me.

Paradigm shift or perish.

K-Dog are you a golden retreiver?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkqVizqGwmY

I think there is some of that in the mix. Color is about right but my hair is longer and I can reach the pedals.

k-dog for president

RipT

Collins Axe

Collins Maul

--WSP7

Rip,

Australia was totally dis-armed back in the 90's. There was a guy who went nuts and shot up a Micky D's greasing 37 people. In the aftermath the government then decided that the general population shouldn't be allowed to own any firearms at all. Prior to that they had banned all military calibers and hand guns. That was in the late 70's or so. That's when their violent crime stats jumped as they did in the UK. And just about anywhere you have restrictive gun laws or a disarmed population.

It was said that during the disarmament that help was provided by the USA in the form of the USMC. I never looked it up to verify. Nothing would surprise me though.

The sad fact is that there is a plan and the wrong side is working it hard. That's why they ignore Ron Paul in the press and on TV as much as possible. He isn't part of the solution. Why wasn't anyone in the media screaming on TV & Radio about the implications of Senate Bill 1867. This could cause the very end of Our Constitutional freedoms. Think about it do we as a nation want the Armed Forces doing traffic stops and checking for what ? Or do we want to see a repeat of the death camps of Hitlers time when all the subversives and enemies of the state were rounded up and dealt with.

I'm 64 and have been through a lot. I would hate to think that I would be a candidate for a camp because of my faith, NRA membership or veteran status. Just knowing that a FEMA Camp run by Haliburton or Blackwater would be a lot less fun then one run by the BSA or Club Med.

Stay Frosty

Phil


"And since most Europeans enjoyed spending more than what they produced, "

Hey patty, you didn't understand anything of the problem: THERE IS NO LONGER ANY RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN WORK AND PRODUCTION! There is no linear old fashioned relationship between "hard work", large number of workers, factories and the output of factories. It has been optimized, automated, everything has been greatly improved from the "production" point of view, you need very few people to do the work, few jobs, work is obsolete. Is that clear now ?

Profits go sky high since you can produce all you want with fewer and fewer people, in all sectors, especially services, banks, tertiary with computers and all, it is easy to get great output with few workers.

So no distribution of money through jobs, since jobs are no longer needed to produce, get the message. Hence, the governments must provide free salaries and cheap rents for all. OK ?

The problem is "consumption" not production, we need consumers way more than producers since producing is very easy today, but to cosume you need to give out FREE SALARIES!

Also the USA has been printing trillions of dollars from the FED for 4 years now, with very little inflation and very little devaluation of the dollar becasue all the old economic rules no longer apply. The inflation boggy man is no longer operating. So print trillions freely and give it out.

I brought up Fukushima to see if people were aware how dangerous it is and it seems they don't know and don't care.It is not just affecting Japan, the air filters in cars on the west coast are already radioactive! Unlike Hiroshima where only a few pounds of U235 was used and turned into light, heat and shock wave, the MOX mixture in Fukushima will aerosol as burns, spreading everywhere continuously. There are towns with 20 times the radiation of Chernobyl and people are still living there.

The Russians had a policy of evacuation and containment, the Japanese are dispersing radiation and staying in place.One small hydro-volcanic explosion and all 6 plants will abandoned and 1500 tons of hell will result in a global extinction event. Kinda makes the doom and gloom that Mr. Kunstler writes about like the Garden of Eden.

Nobody cries "Uncle" on the internet because minds are rarely changed - in any forum. To echo Q The Formalist, I enjoy the delivery as much or more than the content. Not what is said, but HOW it is said. A compromise of morals? Nah, just spreading "paradoxical debris to befuddle the timid" as a great man once wrote.

It's pretty hilarious that a lot of folks here believe Ron Paul is the super politician we've been waiting for. He only parrots the things that most of the more intelligent outsiders have to say, and it seems he has this sort of "remember the good old days when Capitalism was pure and the market regulated itself?" mentality. Talk about shittin' in one hand and wishin' in the other to see which fills faster.

I wonder if he realizes the corrupt and manipulative forces sailing the ship won't tolerate him for long if there's even an inkling of a chance he receives the GOP nod. He won't. But aside from the fact he tells the truth, he forgets that even if he attains office, he'd spend his entire term fighting partisanship. His lofty goals of eliminating this and that would be met with the fiercest opposition from not only the other guys but his own team too, no?

I could be way off base, but I don't quite understand why people believe democracy still exists in the U.S.

ABSALOM

"So print trillions freely and give it out."

Hey, that's what they ARE doing, and its only making things incredibly worse, faster and faster.

Here's testimony from a former prisoner on how our heroes treat people. Coming soon to the Homeland Battlefield.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v33/n24/mohammed-elgorani/diary

Note that the nicer ones explain to him that they are merely doing a job.

Jobs, jobs, jobs. Freedom, freedom, freedom.

The two mantras that every talking head uses to keep americans compliant.

"I could be way off base, but I don't quite understand why people believe democracy still exists in the U.S."

Me neither. RP is not a "super politician" but he has proven, over thirty years, he is a superior statesman, compared to the others.

Nice choice WSP, were they made in Collinsville? I know you would demand the best!

The point of the idiot Republicans seems to be to make Obama look to be the lesser of two evils.

The republicans, including Rommey, criticize Obama for excessive regulations, maybe to bury the report that says that Obama is more receptive to lobbyists, and has issued fewer regulations than Bush.

They criticize him for being soft on terrorism, maybe to give him cover for his murder spree on every continent.

They scream about the EPA, to hide the fact that the environment is worse off under Obama.

This article talks about the murderers that our ruling class hires to play the part of president on TV.

http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2011/12/face-of-killer-who-is-your-president.html

"THERE IS NO LONGER ANY RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN WORK AND PRODUCTION! "

Well you should tell this the millions who work in Asia or China or Africa for 30 dollars a month for six days a week and certainly more than 8 hours a day...
Where do you think that what the Americans buy at WalMart comes from?
You print the money and those idiots of Chinese work for nothing to provide you with goods you are not able to produce anymore.
Do you really think it will last forever?
Or will it be something like the price of real estate that was doomed to grow forever and ever...it was enough to ask and the bank provided a loan and everybody had a house...thank to those idiots that bought the subprime mortgages called with esotic names and classified AAA from your honest Rating Agencies...
I give you a link, which is very funny...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWDdcD-1xoo

may be you understand what I say...

What amazes me more is that people in other countries believe that there is democracy in the US.

How is this possible?

How does Obama or Clinton get to go to other countries and pontificate about human rights or democracy or free elections without being laughed off stage?

How do people holding the mangled bodies of their children in their arms decry the lack of freedom that the US has brought them? Why would victims of US bombings still somehow believe that the US was some beacon of freedom?

The kid in the article I linked to thought that he was going to go to America and have rights and a lawyer!!!

Amazing. This is the kind of propaganda that Hitler could only dream of.

More Commie Cant. As Benjamin Franklin said, Democracy is two Wolves and a Lamb deciding what's for dinner. America was never supposed to be a "Democracy" or Ruled by the Mob in other words.

About the two guys: maybe they were lovers. Are you homophobic too? Or who knows, maybe the old guy was a convert to Islam. We may have to do this in order to fight the NWO. Their culture, altho primitive, is alive. Our's has been subverted for decades by PC - thanks to people like you. People are so beaten down now that they can't even say Merry Christmas any more.

Too Rich to be "Rich" ?...

And yet all of the problems stem from a huge amount of free money that has been accumulated and generated worldwide from the automatic economy: some 100 trillion dollars mostly in the hands of a few thousand rich families has been accumulated from the Technological Economy by optimizing, automating and generating huge economies of scale. There is something called advancements in production through science and technology and these advancements imply "do more with less", "cut waste and cut costs" and these translate into fewer jobs somewhere down the line or jobs paid less.

And those trillions needed a return on investment which they got by inflating real estate prices worldwide and playing financial games worldwide since the return on investment really implies that an automatic wealth generation machine is operating (and it is through the application of technology in all economic endeavors) but they try to hide this by making believe we still live in an 18th century economy where "hard work" and effort and "workers pay level" etc. are pivotal while this is no longer true at all: the system generates and will keep on generating huge profits and huge amounts of free wealth, but has no way to distribute it anymore since work is no longer necessary to produce the wealth.

Of course, cheap third world labor helps but that is not the dominating trend: the dominating trend is the constant improvement of production efficiency in all sectors through the use of fewer and fewer workers, or else why advance and why research and innovate if you don't gain from it ? And today a lot of poorer countries are reaching middle class salaries between 400 and 800 dollars a month (Brazil, Russia, parts of China, etc.) so the "cheap labor" card is relative, it will increasingly become less and less important: what really makes huge profits is technology applied to all economic endeavors, free cash with few workers.

Hence, there is no other solution, the governments worldwide must give out free salaries and cheap rents to billions of people, this is the only way to distribute the money, no amount of fairy tale imagined work and jobs will ever do it.

But all the critics that are trying to undertand what is not working in the economy try to force a resource scarcity myth explanation (peak oil, too many people, climate change etc.) and want to go backwards toward the stone age instead of forwards to Rockets to Mars and huge public and private projects that use the huge excess capacity in the economy and technology for progress and to distribute the money. But no, everyone talks badly about "consumerism", all old hags, doomsters, "there is no more wealth" ideology (which just helps take away money from the 99 % poor and concentrates the money even more in fewer hands: they should be saying that wealth is increasing ever more through the Technological Economy and should be distributed! such turds) reactionary thugs, all greens, all scaredy cats, all against technology and science and progress and future projects, Rockets to Mars etc. because they want to go back to the stone ages. And in the process help concentrate ever more trillions in fewer and fewer hands by not asking for the only thing that must be given: free salaries, cheap rents, build skyscrapers, Rockets to Mars, huge projects for the future, etc.


"Hey, that's what they ARE doing, and its only making things incredibly worse, faster and faster."

Just in case anybody wants to read-up on it:

http://www.economonitor.com/blog/2011/12/bailout-total-29-616-trillion-dollars/

Do you believe patents should be enforced?

I want free salaries and cheap rents, I want Rockets to Mars, like a cry baby, I want that, I want that, jumping up and down like a baby, I want that screaming and pulling my hair, OK ? got the message ?

What do I care about patent enforcement ? or who makes money from inventions and such, good for them, let them make billions (which they do anyways) but give the hundred million other miserable losers in the USA, EU, Russia, India and China that need jobs their free salaries and cheap rents, ok ? understand ?

Jesus Christ what jackasses, I can't beleive it...


Some corrections so you can copy and paste it to your thesis " How an Excess Capacity - Technological Economy implies Free Salaries, Cheap Rents, and Huge Private Public Projects (Rockets to Mars and Skyscrapers) as the only way Forward"

By an APE MAN

But all the critics that are trying to understand what is not working in the economy try to force a resource scarcity myth explanation (peak oil, too many people, climate change etc.) and want to go backwards toward the stone age instead of forwards to Rockets to Mars and huge public and private projects that use the huge excess capacity in the economy and technology for progress and to distribute the money. But no, everyone talks badly about "consumerism", all old hags, doomsters, "there is no more wealth" ideology (which just helps take away money from the 99 % poor and concentrates the money even more in fewer hands: they should be saying that wealth is increasing ever more through the Technological Economy and should be distributed! such turds) reactionary thugs, all greens, all scaredy cats, all against technology and science and progress and future projects, Rockets to Mars etc. because they want to go back to the stone ages. And in the process help concentrate ever more trillions in fewer and fewer hands by not asking for the only thing that must be given: free salaries, cheap rents, build skyscrapers, Rockets to Mars, huge projects for the future, etc.

hey GG , yea the bad egg gets the attention. That's the problem. I'm armed, uh-oh watch list again! But I can tell you that I am probably the most level headed dude you know. The bad eggs spoil it for all of us. Just like the bad drivers spoil the fun for us speed freaks. I love driving my box about 110 mph down the super slab.I bet u didn't think a ford 460 would go that fast!

Um forget I wrote that!

Grocery shopping is a real eye opener these days. Even the most basic food stuff, cereal, milk, eggs, ground beef are grossly more expensive than they were just a year and a half ago. I stopped buying saltine crackers when the price of a box went over a buck. That was around 1999 or so. That same box of crackers is now 4 bucks. For a box of crackers! It's getting to be the case were I have to choose what days I'm going to skip eating rather than what meals I'm going to skip eating. Inflation? Yep! Deflation? I've seen house prices in my hood drop by 35 - 40% since 2007. Near as I can tell cars haven't gone down in price though. I purchased my Honda Accord new in 2002 for $20k, and I think they go for about the same price now. For the big ticket items it's the "buy now and pay later" meme. Same thing with furniture. "Pay no interest until 2016!" But the prices seem pretty much the same as they were 5 years ago. Same shit, higher interest rates.

The way they scale down the price of a product is real amazing. Instead of 16 oz of something you get 14.5 oz and the price goes up by maybe a quarter. You can't trust the inflation figures from the gubmint. They lie all the time. All the time. When they get done lyin they lie some more. Then they use lies to cover up lies.

The way they scale down the price of a product ^size of a product.

hey Wsp, I hope no one hates me. I have cool stuff as I am sure you do too. Tools,fuel, Toys, MC's ;o), maybe a little land.seeds ,knowledge, a strong back(I hope) We gotta pull together. Sorry for the rant!

Reading Chomsky's book Keeping the Rabble in Line was a real eye opener for me. He talked about how the drug war was used to conrol people, not drugs. And about how many people are superflous when it comes to capital accumulation. I think both parties conspire to keep most people in debt and powerless. They want gated communities, a few nice places to shop, and protection, and if most of the country goes down the tubes, it doesn't matter.

Phoney conservative blowhards like Limbaugh always called Bill Clinton a far left liberal and a socialist, when you got away from abortion and lip service to civil rights, Clinton's policies weren't much different than Reagan's I think.

Obama,if anything is a bigger fascist than W Buxh was, not that the liberal wacko Democrats are going to admit it.

Watched an episode of Cops the other day. This poor bloke was driving his family to a funeral on the Interstate. Can't remember why he was pulled, but the kids in the back seat were crying "don't take my daddy to jail!" Wife was crying. They searched his trunk and found a small amount of weed in one of the suitcase compartments. The cop was yellin at him, "I'm gonna stick my dogs on you if you don't tell me where the rest of its hidden!" So the guy, all apologetic, goes up to the front seat and pulls out his glasses case and removes a small spliff. The cop makes him tear it up and yells, "don't even think about throwing that wrapping paper on the ground. Your dam lucky I don't haul you in. Look at what you've done to your kids!" Meanwhile the kids are hyperventilating, the wife's crying, and the guys on his way to a funeral. Amazingly the cop let him go. Yeah, it's all about the drugs.

I'd be interested to read what you think we ought to do about it.

TPTB will do everything in their power (which is very great) to insure that things always go their way. Sadly, the only alternative that will ultimately work is a bloody, long-term, drag-out uprising. Those of us who don't want to be involved should head for the hills.

Elections and the candidates' campaigns are only misdirection plays to divert the public's attention away from what's really happening. For me, elections are a waste of my time and energy. I know that's considered un-American, but we haven't had real democracy here for almost 200 years.

Funny thing;…..just this morning I hear from a self labeled Left radio show a lambasting of Newt for having “dismissed a whole nation and its culture”, referring to his assertion that the Palestinians are an “invented people”, thereby, he contended, not worthy to be accorded their own sovereign nation.

This strikes me as funny because the position of the Left on illegal alien invasion of America is that we too don’t deserve sovereignty – that is, protected borders for preserving the value of citizenship in determining national destiny. Too much Euro-centricity on our part I guess. You know; Greek philosophy, Roman - English law, the Enlightenment, all that white man stuff. Hmmm, sounds a little like the Left is not, on principle, opposed to ethnic cleansing, just in certain cases.

Wage,
"Freedom Jobs", brought to you by your old pals at KBR! Just perfect, and always remember that "work makes you free". (I recall that in wrought iron from somewhere, but where? hmmmmm)

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29968.htm

The intent is crystal-clear. DETENTION, not "emergency bivouac" for natural disaster or any such bullshit, detention.

Ps. You were absolutely correct as to "what the hell they're up to". Log trucks? Good sturdy poles to string barbed wire fences betwixt.
Who are these "good folks" who will be doing these freedom jobs? Let's be frank (okay, I'll be frank, you be frankie), they'll be on the wrong side. One half of the underclass to kill and oppress the other half? Here we go...

Sheet I'm glad he didn't pull me over! I'm a public servent and Uh-oh there I go again!! Weed is actually somewhat legal in MA. 1 oz. will git ya a $100 ticket but I would still lose my job of 32 years. You get in more trouble with a beer between your legs! Go figure!

Oops, sorry, fried a synapse or three there, reading through. It doesn't specifically say anything conclusive about detention in the KBR invitation to employment...
That is speculative on the part of the rock-prier-up-er. ;o)

I'm not defending drinking and driving by any means. I just think this whole anti-drug prohibition is a bunch of crap. It didn't work in the '20's and it sure as hell is not working now. My son is a victim of this bullshit and it DOES NOT WORK! Billions for what? Cancer victims? No drugs for you! What is up with that?

Yep,
As CT upthread implies, it's all about intimidation and control, not the drugs. After all, where do you think the CIA gets a lot of its' walkin'-around money?
Day-umm! Now I'M on the list too!
See yez in stalag 33, barrack 6... I'll split a saltine with ya, okay?

Yea me an Carter will be sharing a blanket!

Weed is actually somewhat legal in MA. 1 oz. will git ya a $100 ticket but I would still lose my job of 32 years.

You have an odd definition of legal my friend. Loosing a C note and entering the legion of the permanently unemployed doesn't sound like a slap on the wrist to me.

Full decriminalization with sale and distribution subject to local approval and control is what President K-dog says.

Fukushima is a true disaster: First they spray seawater on the reactors (already melted down) to try to cool them. See those clouds of steam, RADIOACTIVE steam? Wonder where they are going?
Then there is the water run off that flows into the sea. See the RADIOACTIVE water run off? Wonder where its going? Say, want some sushi? Wanna have some fun? Turn off the lights! Wow! The sushi is glowing! And so are my fingers?!
Oh, and the radioactive sea water & steam don't just hang out around Japan, they travel the pacific all the way to California? Say, want to get some sushi?

Japan is one fucked country now....

But they will have company....Sushi sounds good for dinner. Hear it glows in the dark now...pretty....

:(

Well for once I would like the U.S. and Japan along with Tepco, the plant owners to put truth and safety ahead of protecting the nuclear industry. Tepco has been lying and bullshitting the government and people of Japan since it happened back in March.

I would like to see political pressure exerted to stop them from burning radioactive garbage and poisoning Tokyo residents and us also. The news blackout on this story has to stop and the government has to restart the testing for radiation being carried here by the jet stream that they stopped in April. They should inform the public the best course of action to take to protect themselves, like they do if a level 5 hurricane is approaching.

The U.S. should form a coalition of the best minds and companies from all over the world to minimize the fallout from this disaster. They need to start spending some serious money to possibly build a Boron barrier under the three melt downs to stop their progress. This problem is bigger than Japan can handle by itself and the worlds governments better get together or face consequences of unknown misery.

Yea K, you have my vote. The 100 balloon fine is a pittance. The lost job/pension of 32 years not so much. Peeps think weed is like something evil. I have seen more alcohol fueled violence. That shit is evil. I'll admit I love john Barley Corn but I am a friendly drunk. I just assume give ya a big wet kiss than hit ya!!

RipT, both my dad & Grandpa worked in the Collins Company plant making those axes & machetes. (back in the day when we produced things of value & usefulness here) I got 'em lying all over the place.

Hey RipT, when you say you're a fan of 7.62, do you mean 7.62x39 (Kalishnikov) or 7.62x54R (Mosin-Nagant). I've got a few Mosins, which are a lot of fun to shoot. Plus ammo is cheap. Cabelas is still selling them for $99.00, 60 years old but like new.

Sorry to hear about your son. You hinted before that there was some trouble.

--WSP7

TPTB will do everything in their power (which is very great) to insure that things always go their way. Sadly, the only alternative that will ultimately work is a bloody, long-term, drag-out uprising.
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That would be playing right into their hands, Bill. What you want to do is to disenfranchise their franchise(s). These includes:

- the corporations, their contrived monopolies
- the establishment red/blue political party
- the establishment media/propaganda outlets
- the gov mafia bureaucracies, court system
- the religious institutions
- the fake NGOs
- the banks, fake credit system, fake money

What you want to do is circumvent these, and raise awareness in others to do the same. When enough people tune off and turn their back on the gov mafia, disengage from it and its programming, the gov mafia will be finished.

7.62x 51 mm also known as the .308 winchester. sweet shooter and easy to find. the 39 mm is huge around the world. but I like the american stuff. I mentioned before that I am a fan of the M1A1.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1A_rifle

I like what Ron Paul said too: that the Israelis were an invented people too at the time. Turkle said it well: rights are another name for force. But will he be consistent with this point of view - doubt it. The Left never is. He'll get all idealistic about the right of self determination of the natives in East Buttfuckistan and/or their right to our money so they can eat. At least Wage is consistent: continuous suicidal idealism for everyone except Whites. But why should we be so nice as to kill oursleves? Because it's Right! Where does such morality come from in a Universe without a Creator?

For the record: I believe rights are real and come from God. But we don't always live up to that because it would mean granting the same to others.

Cops routinely changes the race of the perps from Black and Hispanic to White. Now go enjoy your silly self.

For the record: I believe rights are real and come from God.
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LOL! You're such a joker. You don't believe in rights, you believe in privileges. Specifically, "white race" privileges.

Mess wrote:

"RP is not a 'super politician' but he has proven, over thirty years, he is a superior statesman, compared to the others.
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Mess, I'll grant that Mr. Paul is somewhat of a maverick, far more so than dead-eyed McCain incredibly boasted to be; and he certainly isn't pissing on our legs with platitude gratitude like Obomber, but my what a thin resume Ron Paul's 30 yr tenure amounts to. I'm not an expert on his record, so I'll defer to only what I've heard from him directly via debates, media soundbites, etc. His criticisms about what's wrong with the system are only these: the SAME. OLD. GRIPES; even if they are legitimate ones. More precisely, I haven't heard any NEW IDEAS from the man, only defunct symbolism comes from his mouth, considering his default puritanical and merely ideological views about an unregulated "Invisible Hand Job" market system. From what I've learned from some of the material shared here, Ron Paul's lamentation of a utopic Capitalism that never existed and never could exist requires us to dream about the past, not adapt for the future. What silliness politics seem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk

"It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to beleive it." -George Carlin-

Paul might be the smartest dinosaur of the Political herd these days, yet he'd only still lead us toward an extinction level event in perhaps a more sensibly prolonged fashion. Not good enough for me, so I'll leave the voting to the simple (symbol) minded.

ABSALOM


I see my prophesy is already coming true.

On a side note: did any of my fellow news junkies hear the bit about Verizon Wireless unintentionally sending out a mass, emergency broadcast style, text message to customers? The message simply warned receivers of a "Civic Emergency" advising people to seek shelter. OOPS! the cat is outta the bag for SHTF this Spring, folks.

In the words of JHK, "Gird Your Loins."

FUCK. Not a kick in the nuts, please.

ABSALOM

Dude, you need only briefly outline what your fuckin' prophesy is, so I can agree or disagree. I don't speak your language, so you'll have to "dumb" it down for me.

ABSALOM

Quite right Old. Technology put people out of work. And then it's their fault! The question becomes: do we care more about technology or people? Which serves which? You put tech first - which is your error. And saying this does not make me a Luddite. Technology does not automatically improve life - only the skillful use of it does. And throwing people out of jobs is anything but skillful.

And having people nodding off as drugged out vegtables 24/7 isn't an alternative most people will embrace.

Well, dummy, it wasn't a week ago when you called me crazy. You remember the context, right? Well, dummy, let me refresh your memory. I said it wont be long before you'd be parroting pretty much everything that I've been saying. That clip of George Carlin and your commentary posted just above, is exactly what I was talking about; ipso-facto, my prophesy.

Just a response to Hugh above who commented that the mega Lo Mart was packed at 3am (judging by the full parking lot):

Just what does Wal-Mart sell that's worth buying?

Certainly not food, 'cause there's none there (just lots of edible "consumer products"--the factory farm industry's term).

We have the right to exist and the right to defend ourselves. Yet Jews tell us to die and call us "Anti-Semites" when we say no. And I'm the Joker?

Here's a video about Nazi/Zionist collaboration. There was a Nazi/Zionist coin minted. If things had worked out differently, Hitler would have had a statue erected in Israel as one of the Fathers of the Nation. You people can't deny the Truth forever and not be called liars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3we8Sg9oOs

We have the right to exist and the right to defend ourselves.
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No, imperialists don't have a right to exist. And you fscks are imperialists of the worst kind, because you are so good at it.

You're right: he is a dummy. Very PC, a follower, a sheep.

Whatever ya spindly little man, you've still said nothing coherent. Not sure from which alter-ego your operating tonight, Mika/Meteuselah?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/55688019@N00/775003238/


And if I'm merely parroting shit you farted from your mind thru your fingertips onto this blog some time ago, I couldn't recall because I've not been here long enough.

I do remember something about a convoluted conspirational blurt you made when I first visited, but when I asked you to elaborate in your own words, you showed me a collection of brightly polished turds (your reading list) which you've clearly coveted for some time. This is your affliction, dickhead -- not a prophesy.

If your "prophesy" is right, if only shades of your worst imagining come to be, it'll indicate sheer coinky-dink. Time to give up "the precious."

You and Vlad can go back to jerkin' off on that cookie and passin' it back and forth, now.

Buh, bye

ABSALOM

Well, all that makes a lot of sense, at least on the surface, but that's the big problem - it ain't gonna happen, not with the status quo here the way it is. That's just one more item to put on the uprising's list. Or maybe president k-dog will deal with it?

Anyway, I'm glad you replied to my comment as you did because that's kind of my pet complaint in CFN - just statements of the problems, but not the solutions.

The Nazis admired the Jews for their Nationalism. And look how they took over Palestine! And how the Rothschilds took over Europe from the Top.

Does everone know how one of the Rothschilds destroyed the English economy and then bought it back on the cheap? Before the Battle of Waterloo, he set up a messenger system that would be faster than the Crown's. When the British won, he had the message sent back that they lost. The Market panicked and everyone sold. Rothschild tricked England and the Jews still boast of it today. In the books they write for themselves that is - no need to feign PC guilt here!

Great video, huh? That's why you're not saying anything about it. I know your tricks. Nothing is real unless people talk about it. Only denounce if necessary, if people are talking.

Exactly how does one gird one's loins btw?

Ohhh, did I hurt your feelings. Well, dummy, get used to it. Such is reality when you are an ignorant fsck.

Yes, but this is kind of a passive-aggresive revolution, don't you think, and TPTB would respond accordingly to squelch it, and so to continue the action, the public would have to revert to a bloody revolution anyway.

And look how they took over Palestine!
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You're talking out of ignorance and malice. But since, Vladik, you consider yourself an educated fellow, let me focus your attention on this:

Palaestina, ex monumentis veteribus illustrata, Volume 1 - By Adriaan Reeland - Google Books

- http://goo.gl/pzDJ4


The author, Adriaan Reeland was a geographer, cartographer, traveler, scholar. He knew several European languages, as well as Arabic, Hebrew. The book is written in Latin. In 1695, Reeland has been sent to what was then called Palestine. Here are the main conclusions and some facts:

* The country is mostly empty, abandoned, sparsely populated, the main population in Jerusalem, Acre, Safed, Jaffa, Tiberias and Gaza.

* The majority of people - Jews. Almost all the others - Christian. Very few Muslims, mostly Bedouins. The only exception - Nablus (Shechem now), in which lived about 120 people from the Muslim family, Natshe, and approximately 70 "Samaria" (Samaritans).

* In Nazareth, the capital of Galilee, lived about 700 people - all Christians.

* In Jerusalem - about 5,000 people, almost all Jews, and some Christians.

* In 1695, the year they all knew that the origins of the country - Jewish.

* There are no settlements in Palestine, in the name of which there are Arabic roots.

* The vast vast majority of the settlements have the original Jewish/Biblical names. The rest have Greek or Roman/Latin names. There were no Arabic names ascribed to any towns or villages.

* Reeland mentions Muslims only as nomadic Bedouin who came to the city as seasonal workers in agriculture or construction sites.

* In Gaza, lived about 550 people, half of them Jews and half Christians. Jews are successfully engaged in agriculture, in particular vineyards, olive trees and wheat. The Christians were engaged in trade and shipments.

* In Tiberias and Safed lived Jews, but no mention of their employment, except traditional fishing in the Kinneret.

TPTB would respond accordingly to squelch it
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By doing what exactly? Force you to watch FOX TV and shop at WalMart?

Dead on Bill,

I'll grant one thing to Smeagol/Gollum: most of us are asleep; when they wake up, the BLOODY part of revolution might have already begun; they'll not know the "real" reasons "why" the turmoil and chaos erupted. The propaganda machine will likely be broken, and the details lost to history. All they'll be obliged to do is cope/adapt. Fuck the theories about why it all went to shit.

This idea reminds me much of the fantastic film The Road, especially at the beginning, as the Vigo Mortensen and Charlize Theron characters awake from peaceful wedded slumber in their home to see fires burning beyond the window. Seen in this light, I have a harder time castigating people who are not aware of what might be around the corner. Some of the "ignorance" is willful, most of it is blissful.

ABSALOM

Hugh,
Just learned of a possible explanation for your crowded 24/7 Wal-Mart -- it may be the homeless living in their cars. They park overnight at my local 24/7 Wal-Mart.

Met a woman recently at a storage unit and we had a brief conversation about our respective uses for storage units: supplies for my day job; everything she has in the world that wasn't already crammed into her '93 Honda hatchback for her. Wal-Mart lets her and others park overnight in their designated camper parking; gives her a warm loo in the overnight, except on Christmas day. She said she sometimes gets gigs housesitting; was hoping for one this year as it's otherwise tough to access a public restroom on Christmas.

She gets by on $700 in SSI and $200 in food stamps. Said it was either a dirty furnished room and no ability to keep the car running, or the car and a storage unit. 56 years old with bad knees.

I've begun to believe of late that its coming sooner than even those of us who are expecting it have been thinking. Please keep getting ready, all. Ignore the man in the tuxedo.

peace,
Anthony Schiano
aka "President Malthus"
www.MalthusUniversity.com

I'm sure you read the book, saw the film or both, but here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6arDlAAF4Y

If the public does as you say, then TPTB's businesses will fail. This will produce more and more unemployment; people will become much poorer, and therefore, desperate, while the wealthy will be able to survive much better. Eventually, the people will take to the street and violence will ensue.

I'm not saying you're wrong, and people shouldn't turn away from the establishment, what I'm saying is that all actions are fated to ultimately lead to violent, massive civil unrest.

If the public does as you say, then TPTB's businesses will fail. This will produce more and more unemployment; people will become much poorer, and therefore, desperate, while the wealthy will be able to survive much better. Eventually, the people will take to the street and violence will ensue.
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Wrong! You have bought into corporate propaganda and a fallacy. Corporations don't produce jobs. Corporations take away and eliminate jobs. They also take away wealth.

When the corporations fail, there will be jobs created. Because now, the artificial "competitiveness" supplied to corporations via cheap credit, free money, the debasement of money, will be eliminated. The real job creators are the small local family businesses. They are also the real wealth creators. Because unlike the corporations, who siphon money out of the local economy, the local family businesses keep their money circulating in the local economy.

That would be playing right into their hands, Bill. What you want to do is to disenfranchise their franchise(s). These includes:

- the corporations, their contrived monopolies
- the establishment red/blue political party
- the establishment media/propaganda outlets
- the gov mafia bureaucracies, court system
- the religious institutions
- the fake NGOs
- the banks, fake credit system, fake money

What you want to do is circumvent these, and raise awareness in others to do the same. When enough people tune off and turn their back on the gov mafia, disengage from it and its programming, the gov mafia will be finished.
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Bill, I'm going to risk being needlessly contentious, but I think this assertion that ENOUGH people will "unplug" from the system and ultimately defeat the so-called government mafia is a fucking pipe dream at best.

I think what's far more likely is that the red/blue types will fight each other AND the government intermittently -- a shitstorm more like civil war with the government perhpas supporting whichever side still adheres to the status quo mentality. Is this not far more likely than a citizenry that coalesces to defeat its government. There are too, too many PATRIOTS out there who think shit would be just fine without "them." I don't know, maybe someone older with a better understanding of history could help me clarify or change my opinion on this. But thinking the government eventually just gives in to the will of the people, considering Smeagol/Gollum's own admission of "their" tremendous power to influence outcomes, seems fuckin' short sighted and stupid to say the least.

Metuselah is dead wrong about his Matrix movie Zion uprising. Those movies were shit after the first one, anyhow.

I think what's far more likely is that the red/blue types will fight each other
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Nonsense. There is no red/blue types. There is only the illusion of the red/blue types, maintained by gov mafia propaganda. In fact, even the illusion is an illusion. That 30% which even bother to play along, vote on basis of "personality" rather than on the basis of ideology. Because there is no difference in the ideology.

"Nonsense. There is no red/blue types. There is only the illusion of the red/blue types, maintained by gov mafia propaganda. In fact, even the illusion is an illusion. That 30% which even bother to play along, vote on basis of "personality" rather than on the basis of ideology. Because there is no difference in the ideology."
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Yeah, you're not only full of shit, your crazy, and your fuckin' stupid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh6qqsmxNs&feature=related

Notice: I'm no longer addressing Smeagol/Gollum directly.

LOL! I'm glad you posted that Carlin clip. The irony is just too delicious, because when speaking of stupid people, I have proof he was talking about you. Give me a sec and I'll fish out the clip(s). Just a quick warning, I will your feeling you ignorant fsck.

Float and sputter.

Right, like I'm gonna follow this idiot down that rabbit hole. The irony is that it will bother this twerp to no end to know that he clicked on my links while I just scrolled on past his.

Last even indirect bit of attention I pay to this goon.

ABSALOM out!

Ohhh, did I hurt dummy's feelings again? Like a typical retard you run off sulking to mommy. What a disgrace you are.

Lies. Damned Lies. The Arabs are not just Bedouin nomads but town and village dwellers: merchants and farmers. This is true even in the complete desert countries - and Palestine is more lush than that. There were hundreds of Palestinian Villages - now with Jewish names. Palestine was an exporter of food.

This is one of oldest lies in the book: a Land without a People for a People without a Land. No serious person believes this crap anymore except Newt Gingrich types. Just be honest: you took Palestine from the natives just as we took America from the natives. But you didn't do it on your own and you can't hold it on your own. That's the difference. You should have taken Madegascar when it was offered to you.

We're sick of supporting you - since you do nothing for us but much to us. Like bribing our politicians and trying to take away Christmas. Also just the little thing of trying to turn Christians into criminals via the Gays. And of course flooding our shores with Darkies. You better think it thru again. All of it.

Lies. Damned Lies.
==

It right there, in black & white. Published Long before Herzl and the German Zionist movement. Ask your Vatican masters to translate the Latin for you.

Vlad, I know Israel like the back of my hand. I know every corner of the land. And I've said this before from personal observation: there isn't one arab village that is older than 80 years. Most were created when Jordon had control over Judea and Samaria from 1948 to 1967. You can see this by the construction of the homes. All these arab towns are at best contemporaneous with Tel Aviv. Go and see for yourself.

The arab arrived in Israel when the mass wave of Jews arrived Israel. The jews brought jobs. And arabs came to the country as cheap labor.

We're sick of supporting you
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No, Vlad, we're sick of supporting you.

You imperialist fscks been trying to buy, and when that fails, to intimidate and force our support for your thieving imperialism. Well, you ain't going to get my support for your bestiality.

You're so self rightous. So much hatred. Not good for such a young man. You better humble yourself so you can learn some new things.

As a continuation on the thesis:

" How an Excess Capacity - Technological Economy implies Free Salaries, Cheap Rents, and Huge Private Public Projects (Rockets to Mars and Skyscrapers) as the only way Forward"

Conflicts create Poverty ...

We live in conflict based societies, ideologies, we worship conflicts: of course it is called something different, it is called "competition", "equal opportunity", "you must deserve it" and such BS and nonsense, but what it really means is fight, fight over everything, confrontation over everything, "I am better than you", "I want to be better, judged better, demonstrate my worth against you and as such then hog up as much cash as possible (and feel justified because I deserved it)", use your mind and talent to hose the other guy, the other company whatever, as this will then "make you win"; you will be the winner, winner take all. But the subtext of all of this is conflicts, fights, debates, always something against something else, someone against someone else and such. And this is also tied into the so called "democratic process" where everyone is a special little turd trying to make his ideas dominate or his plans against another idea or plan (just like the APE does), fight over everything, everything must be chosen, must be debated, must be confronted. It is also called "Freedom", that is freedom to fight and hose each other.

But it goes deeper than this, it also means everyone is a special little turdy "individual" with their special choices, their special ideas, their special contrasting "lifestyles": and so for example couples divorce because some idiotic insignificant little difference is amplified beyond bold, and the divorce which is a conflict then generates poverty because then where there were 2 salaries and 2 people collaborating towards their common wealth, now each one is on his own and obviously much more poorer, but they are "free", free to be their special little turdy selves. Same with corporations hiring and firing, everyone trying to be as difficult as possible to "satisfy" (since work is no longer necessary but an option, you can conflict over everything and be as picky as you want). Same with lawyers and legal conflicts, and corruption, everyone comparing everyone else and fighting everyone else and such BS.

But there is no other choice between 2 social organizations: either you give out free lunches, handouts, free salaries and cheap rents or you continue with this competitive, winner take all system: there is no middle ground, there is no intermediate solution, and the OWSers simpy can't say what they really want: HANDOUTS, FREE LUNCHES, FREE SALARIES AND CHEAP RENTS, they can't come to grips that that is exactly what they should demand since all of the old economic rules no longer apply, they can't understand that our psychology and culture and ideology is way out of sync with a system that generates and will keep on generating huge amounts of free wealth through technology, and that you no longer "have to deserve it", or "work hard for it"; since it is all automatic now.

But since all of the critics of the system cannot see clearly what it is that is bugging them, they continue to remain in this limbo, intermediate position confusing everything, all special little turds with their special ideology: they cannot come to grips that it is correct, ethically and morally and especially socially correct to ask for SCOT FREE HANDOUTS, FREE SALARIES, CHEAP RENTS, that the old fashion "hard work, you have to deserve it" myth is no longer applicable to a Technological Economy.

Of course what many cannot understand is that there is no objective economic system, no objective "true" model, the model of economy is just that arbitrary system that is put in place according to who wins arbitrarily a tug of war between 2 arbitrary conflicting will powers, with no deeper or correct or metaphysically ethical meaning.

So if you don't want free lunches then you must accept this present system of winner take all, of the rich getting richer, of the increase of inequality, that is your values, there is no middle ground, either total free lunches or may the best man win and hog all he can.

Also, the conflict based economy is not tuned in to what society should do and that is collaborate towards huge projects that unite, that do not reinforce all the little special "small businesses" or small "companies", but create common goals, Rockets to Mars, millions of Skyscrapers, so people are concentrated on the common goal and not concentrated on fighting each other, they are concentrated on reaching an accumulated result and not a personal result where everyone thinks he is a winner against everyone else.


But alas, it is all useless, man is a turd, he must get rid of this old clunker of a brain he has and design, implant a new one that is correctly programmed...

AN APE

That was from:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177391

You can copy it for your thesis, free information, free research...

So much hatred.
==

Damn right. When I look at you scum my stomach turns and I see blood red in my eyes. The more I learn about you the more I can't stand the sight of you.

methuselah is a visually oriented person, so much so that his "eyes are red" and he "can't stand the sight" (of someone on the internet).

Dude. Get a life. Voluntary ban for 7 days.

Vlad here is part of the fabric of CFN.

QUO VADIS BABY

Me deal with it. Sure no problem, I earn my Milk-bones.

Since James Hanson has so much passion for this issue I will send him to Japan so he can bring back a detailed report on how we can help.

Knowledge is useless if you don't use it. Rage like the wind.

BJ, read more carefully. The "you" was a plural. I wasn't talking about Vlad specifically, I was talking about US history and Americans in general. You are not the good guys. In fact, most of the great evil in the world for the last 100+ years can be directly traced to youz -- youz -- as in, youz, Americans -- as in, youz, the US.

what? No credit for religious freedom or anything?

That is a good point, Tegmark.

What is the principle behind work?

Is it self-interest or survival?

Tony Shiavo said, "Said it was either a dirty furnished room and no ability to keep the car running, or the car and a storage unit. 56 years old with bad knees."

Yeah... I've been saying for a while now that cars are just very large, very heavy assisted mobility devices. Much of America's civic architecture are designed around them. Jobs spring from roads and road buidling. In the continental US, the farthest you can get from a road is 22 miles, and thats in the Yukon.

Just the other day I was reading how very large ATVs are selling like hotcakes. Now you don't need a road. You just drive all over the place. These things are big enough for a family of four. The gas mileage is not amazing either. But what are you going to do? Obese people are on their way to hanging up their walkin' shoes... which is to say 40, 50, 60% of us.

If you combine the number of people that don't walk, can't walk, or soon won't be able to do without assistance, with the sheer numbers of boomers heading into the hip-replacement age, perhaps its time to invest in Segway. Or are they private?

The fact is, if you are immobile you are dead, dead, dead in the water. We are nation of permanent nomads- that is, who aren't plumb-struck about being immoble- which is quite a few people. The internet provides an odd feeling of transit when one is "navigating" the web. Likewise, video games (far surpassing movies in total gross and far beyond as hours spent) are a blur of constant visual motion. Avatars are the people, too, man.

The EU and the Euro

Which will end first?
The EU or the Euro?
The EU is the union of countries that send their representatives to the Brussels’ club MED, to measure the dogs tail and care for the exclusivity of Nutella, but do not discuss about futilities like bombing Libya or African migrants, or the Mafia in Europe.
The Euro is a partially unique currency (just for 17 countries out of 27).
It should represent the value of different economies, with different fiscal laws, GDP and public debts that little have in common.
The EU and the Euro have in common the fact that they are both Virtual, they are both a dream.
They exist in the eyes of the beholders.
Their main problem is that nobody believes in dreams anymore.
We will have the collapse of both the moment Merkel and Sarkozy will agree about the square meters of Europe they will be able to get.
The divorce attorneys, the EB and the IMF are already working at it, with the good help of the rating agencies.


With regards to the thesis :

"Modifying the Fundamental Structure and Design of Minds and Brains and discovering the New Universes with new Laws of Physics that can be Perceived, Experienced and Invented"

Alexandra and San Jose Mommy (and her hot teenage chick who will present it to her science class in high school) are working on, you may need to insert the following:

Beware, the Man Brain as understood in my interpretation (what a joke of an interpretation! all attacks are welcome, don't worry!) is the set of all Man Brains of a civilization considered as a single entity, a single instance of a given design of Man Brain. In fact our reality principle and the perception of external reality and the extension of reality immersed in an objective - external space time is completely due to apparently independent mind brains reciprocally confirming collectively the same interactions, creating a generalized consensus along with the memory and patterns discovered, giving the impression of a real objective reality: nothing further from the truth, just because our particular Man Brain design is designed in such a way as to be repeated millions of times and occupying different points in space and time, different experiences of each Man Brain, and the communications amongst them doesn't make that design any more real then a single Man Brain design that doesn't need communication with other instances of itself. It is just Matter (matter talking to itself, interacting with itself) organized and subdivided in any number of possible ways, divided in trillions of mind brains communicating and independent, not divided at all, disjoint, large, trillions of very different Man Brains communicating some bits and some not, small, etc. you can imagine a Man Brain that is just a gas (but information transfers amongst the cells or atoms or transistors or circuits is present), etc.

Matter talks to itself, Matter interacts with itself, or simply interacts, self communicates: but if it is itself why should it communicate to itself ? it has zero extension in space and time, and Matter knows itself already...hm...oh, I see it is a joke upon itself, Matter is a joke on itself, so it subdivides itself in many make believe independent parts that then talk to each other (other brains ? minds) that make believe that they can communicate something new to another part of itself, but it is just a joke on itself, there is nothing new to communicate to itself...


TOBOR ATE MAN

blah, blah, blah, snark, blah,hate, blah, blah, blah...anyone buy a burger, i mean pull their cash out of the bank? i haven t the acct, but i did attend an economic indicator party yesterday- anybody who could show up at noon on a tuesday gives a good idea of who has work to do...about 80 showed- there was some rotation in guests, and thank god some people arrived late- as in had something to do...good event for me, you ll be happy to know i made some contacts for possible future projects; and one arrangement for just after the first of the year...all in all a successful mixer, i would recommend the idea...

"Their main problem is that nobody believes in dreams anymore."

But they are trying real hard.

"Not good enough for me, so I'll leave the voting to the simple (symbol) minded."

Its not good enough for me either. RP is not perfect, but anybody that can fix the three items you mentioned will vastly improve our situation. I would start with outlawing usury.

Voting for RP is still better than setting around bitching about the system. I don't buy the media's bullshit about him being unelectable.

From the lawsuit:

"This is a civil claim arising out of the concerted, knowing, malicious scheme and international conspiracy engaged in by the Defendants for the designed purpose of defrauding plaintiff KEENAN, the designated Agent of his Principal, the “Dragon Family,” for the express purpose of expropriating, stealing and converting certain negotiable financial instruments lawfully owned by the Dragon Family and entrusted to KEENAN in early 2009. These assets (hereinafter referred to as the “Dragon Family Financial Instruments” or the “DFFI”) had been intended for participation in select, registered and authorized Private Placement Investment Programs (or “PPPs”) for the benefit of a wide range of global humanitarian purposes. At the time of the criminal and deceitful acts of the Defendants, the approximate face value of the stolen DFFI was One Hundred Forty-Five and One Half Billion ($145,500,000,000.00) United States Dollars with an approximate accrued interest value of One Trillion ($1,000,000,000,000.00) United States Dollars."

http://cryptogon.com/?p=26472#comments

{oh no! Q is going to be unhappy with me}

"Well for once I would like the U.S. and Japan along with Tepco, the plant owners to put truth and safety ahead of protecting the nuclear industry. Tepco has been lying and bullshitting the government and people of Japan since it happened back in March.

I would like to see political pressure exerted to stop them from burning radioactive garbage and poisoning Tokyo residents and us also. ..."

HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-!!! Like that is EVER going to happen. I mean, really, safety & truth BEFORE corporate profits? Welcome to Fascism 2.0
(or 3.0,whatever)
Political pressure will only occur if the Sheeple ever grow a pair, and since they have been both castrated AND lobotomized, I really don't think that is ever going to happen either. Can you say Baaaa!

Hmmmm.... how about some sushi for lunch? Sounds good to me, do they take plastic?

:/

"Just a response to Hugh above who commented that the mega Lo Mart was packed at 3am (judging by the full parking lot)"

Wonder how many of those cars in the lot have people LIVING in them?

Someone else was wondering how the sheeple can afford to be buying all this junq now.

Well, its call a credit card. I bet if you stood at the end of the checkout lines, you would see plenty of them, most people have at least six (6), and they are also probably almost maxed out to the limit of $10-20,000 EACH.
One thing I bet you won't see is people paying for things with a check (how gauche!) or cash (except the guys in camo buying ammo, eh, RT?).
Yep, its the pocket-rocket, the plastic fantastic, its your Master card & Visa to debt.

Say, wanna get some sushi? They DO take plastic you know....

:]

That's not Good Enough ...

Another subtle mistake most people make is that of believing in the stability of "savings", in the stability of money, of accumulated wealth, etc. So you have 100,000 dollars (or a house) and that is supposed to be valid forever: not true, the economy is a process, only the present interaction of forces and the present play of forces determine what is or isn't good enough. It is like someone who simply wakes up in the morning and decides that that amount of money is not good enough to buy a house anymore for example. The entire real estate inflation game is based on someone deciding, just because, "that's not good enough, just because, because I say so", there is no "Invisible Hand", there is a very simple straightforward intentionality to hike up the prices of something or to gain more profits in some ordeal, etc. and in effect, betraying any stability, trying to get an upper hand, trying to get a profit all of a sudden just because, because he can do it (just like the innovation, education and startup myth implies that no one is ever good enough, you will never be educated or innovative enough, you will never discover electricity all over again, you will never invent Windows and become the "Next Bill Gates" all over again, etc.).

And such is with everything else, jobs, work, health care, you name it, someone just decides "that's not good enough anymore" and no one challenges it, no one cracks their heads open because of this, they can do it.

But the economy is simply a process, no accumulation of past wealth is ever really a guarantee for anything, only a stable process can guarantee the future, but a stable process flies in the face of all the present day Standard Economic Theory that worships Change and Competition and Free Market and the Invisible Hands of the market more than simply and bluntly deciding very simply what to do with the wealth the economy generates.

From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177613

FREE MONEY

It is the way things are called and described that count: the word debts means some future pay back time, but this word is a falsification of reality, the word should be "free money from excess capacity", not debts.

High Debts and High Unemployment reflects a desperate attempt to try to deny that the economic system generates huge free money and free wealth and has huge excess capacity such that the debts can be made anyways, the fact that free salaries are being given out anyways, actually reflects the fact that what is called "debts" is actually the "excess wealth", "free money" the Technological Economy generates no matter how hard the Standard Economic Model ideology tries to call the free money "debts" instead of "excess capacity".

If the debts were really debts and the money wasn't really free wealth, then you would have loads of jobs available and very low unemployment, since the free money would have to come from somewhere, from some "real work" (as the fairy tale Standard Economic Model tries to brainwash everyone with the simple linearity of "more work" is "more wealth" while this linearity is no longer operating anymore and hasn't been operating for decades). But this is exactly not the case, this situation of the western world full of debts and with few jobs exactly reflects the fact that jobs are no longer necessary to generate wealth, to generate "money". Otherwise it wouldn't be sustainable at all, or sustainable for only a few months but this ball game has been going on for decades.

Granted some of that money is generated through cheap "oil" and cheap third world "labor", but it could have never reached such high levels of trillions of dollars in the USA, EU and JAPAN if the fundamental economic structure weren't generating free wealth and excess capacity from the outset anyways. Case in point, I read recently that sick man Italy has 180 billion dollars of "retirement costs", which translates into the equivalent of 18 million "free salaries" of 10,000 dollars a year; it is as if almost 80 % of the country is living off free salaries anyways, no matter what. And this has been going on for years, it is not a recent situation. Now, how is that possible if the system isn't generating free wealth anyways, automatically ? Same for the USA (and maybe its Defense budget and similar), JAPAN with its load of 200 % debt to gdp ratio and so on.

The entire debt game and budgets game (both in the USA and EU) and similar is a desperate attempt to make believe that you need jobs to balance out the free money, that you need work to compensate the free money given out anyways: nothing further from the truth, there is no longer any relationship between work and money in a sense, jobs aren't needed to create wealth and money. In fact the money and wealth is mostly a reflection of relationships between people, not "products that are being made", not "jobs that are performing a function" (especially in the services economy), no it is all a status game, an optional game of power struggles and winning and losing some poker game proxies mostly.

ripped- thanks, but i m on a phone; i don t have a control/escape...or tab, as far as i can tell...i ll be ok...i see this morning the story about fema camps has hit info.info if you re interested...clusterfuck 'em

In the future, everyone should have to take a turn at doing the really disgusting tasks. The work that even illegal immigrants and robots won't do. It's your turn to clear the bilge pumps, CAPTAIN. I guess that would screw up the rank structure. Maybe the rank structure needs to be screwed up.

"Like I say, it’s a situation right now.

My understanding is that chaos is the best word to describe what is happening right now within the leadership circles of the Western world.

I would even include Japan in that. There’s a lot of confusion. People don’t know what to do next."

chaos = code for CFN

"...everyone should have to take a turn at doing the really disgusting tasks."

And for each turn, the disgustingest "jobs" are doubly or triply rewarded with: time off, victuals, a roof, and perhaps a small stipend for private matters.

Those who produce more, ie: cleanliness, safety, honorable leadership, mediation { peacemakers }services, food, energy, technological wealth, art, skil and labor are rewarded more.

Come to think of it, all the "things" we do with stable money, such as gold & silver among others.

Risk Immunity and the rigged global game...

A few weeks ago I posted on this blog a piece about risk aversion and E. corrected me and called it risk immunity. Kudos to E.in absentia, I think that describes the system we find ourselves in best.

Strip-mining our economy and the extraction of our wealth from the country: No matter how many examples of this rigged global system have been exposed and no matter how we continue to see examples of how the banks and other masters of the universe expect to not loose a penny on any of their bad bets with no money to back them, they just keep plowing through. All the apologists on both sides of the aisle are trying to spin a tale about laws not actually being broken. It's all about lobbyist money used to change laws to set us up for another hit--and nothing is illegal for this economic demolition crew. The rest of the us have to eat the losses.

The banks offer no interest rates-but charges us to keep your money in them. They invest offshore and in other countries, not loaning money to US companies in-state. We bail them out to the tune of $Trillions and they strip us of our wealth!

Those sovereign wealth funds created by Morgan Stanley to the wealthy Arabs who buy up our infrastructure expect to make a profit every year. They will not take a loss, so we can't develop any competition that might make them lose money. No trains to be developed along the pathways where they have bought up the highways.

Yes we all have to be downgraded so that the top tier can keep doing their magic--all for themselves while taking down the rest of the global economy. Why this is being allowed by other nation states is beyond me. We go around the world bullying everyone to toe the line for us because as Geithner has told the Europeans. The American bankers don't want to lose one penny.

Imagine the audacity of the Repugs telling us that we must keep cutting the taxes of the rich. Now Newt tells us that all his past misdeeds are things of the past and as Christians, his constituents must forgive him. He's only human, you know and he now accepts Christ. Another example of risk immune behavior with a nice tidy little rationale.

Oh, Newt got $7 million from a billionaire cause he's going to cut his taxes by $2 million! His tax overhaul: wants to cut income taxes to 15%, corporate tax to 12.5% and 0 capital gains, 0 inheritance. Yup, that ought to balance the budgets, alright.

Whatever happened to economic determinism?
Following the dictates of his fellow Neocons and Neolibs Newt, the student of history (more like the end of history) wants to got to war with Iran. Can't wait to see how high oil goes up to and how well that's going to affect our economy. And who's going to pay for the military, exactly---Germany, France, China?

In the meantime, China now wants to build a naval base in the Seychelles where one of drones was downed Tues. Morning.

"deciding very simply what to do with the wealth the economy generates."

I guess we are going ashtray.
If I want to eat bread Somebody has to grow wheat, harvest it, make the flour, make the dough and bake it.
In the beginning if a man wanted to eat he had to hunt or to grow his food.
Then there was a time when people had a "job", one produced the bread, the other bred the animals and so on.
Instead of exchanging chickens with onions they decided to use money, which was much simpler.
Everything was fine till there came some smart people who instead of giving the money its value (one buck was for one bucket of something) used it as a mean of making more money.
As if the money had a value in itself and could generate richness just exchanging pockets.
And this was the beginning of the end.
Finance is the art of stealing in the legal way.
It is like gambling, where one makes the money and the other looses it.
And of course when the money was not backed anymore by anything the game became even more interesting and more criminal.
Debt IS NOT surplus richness, it is paper in excess, money NOT backed by anything, used to pay goods or labor practically cheating.
You give me this and I give you something which is worth nothing, but let´s pretend it is worth something...
No wonder this game will finish soon.
The world is full of idiots, but there is a limit to idiocy.

"And who's going to pay for the military, exactly---Germany, France, China? "

The answer is very simple: print all the money they need, as long as they still find somebody willing to work for money...
I guess very soon here in Germany they will have their salary in potatoes, onions, meat, milk, concrete and so on..
Knowing the Germans I have no doubt that in 24 hours they would be able to organize, count, distribute.
They will have computer programs that will make the tailored salary for your needs and the hours you worked...I can assure you can feel safe in this country, you perfectly know that whatever happens they will find the way out...


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177613


So what do all of the sacrifice, austerity, cut costs measures and so forth that the governments are enforcing in Greece, Italy, the USA etc. really mean: they are saying "please do not create even more excess capacity", "stop creating excess capacity", but obviously this is impossible since the Technological Economy is an automatic system, it operates across the entire planet, it will keep on generating ever more free wealth, so those cost cuts, layoffs, government jobs hacked, pensions denied, etc. will only take away some redistributed money from the lower classes only to concentrate even more wealth in the already super rich: go figure, they are already drowning in trillions and they are forced to choke on other trillions without any possibility to even redistribute it through jobs, since the jobs fairy tale means "you have to deserve it", "you must provide a function" etc. when there are no longer any functions to provide.

So all the OWSes and such must decide: either you ask for scot free handouts, free salaries and cheap rents, or accept a system that will keep on concentrating wealth ever more in fewer hands. Decide, jackasses, don't get confused, this is what the name of the game is, and don't be hypocrits: if you don't want free salaries then go home and watch TV and get out of the way.


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"And who's going to pay for the military, exactly---Germany, France, China?

In the meantime, China now wants to build a naval base in the Seychelles where one of drones was downed Tues. Morning."

Despite all of its problems, the US is hands down the most powerful military in the world, and second place is a long ways away. That doesn't mean the US could successfully occupy China or Russia - it can't. But in regional conflicts outside of that domain and especially where the high seas are involved, the US is completely and utterly dominant. But I wonder how long that will be the case, especially when I compare the zeal for hard sciences that the typical Chinese student displays in comparison to the typical American student. And according to Debka, chinks are starting to emerge in the armor of technological dominance:

http://www.debka.com/article/21550/

God I'd like to get you a little tipsy on some egg nog and refer, chase you under the mistletoe, and give you a big, wet sloppy one, you cute little white supremicist you!

^reefer. And after a while, we'll conspire by the fire...You do me then I'll do you! I know it's cold in Idaho, but I can keep you warm, big boy! And get over Dee! She'll just try and feed ya some glow in the dark sushi! Dump the bitch, make the switch!

I'll gird your loins any day, Papa Smurf!

"For the record: I believe rights are real and come from God."

I thought they came from Thomas Jefferson who said:

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

According to George Carlin we don't have any rights at all.

Whats the truth?

Can anybody help me out here?

I would say that the most nebulous armour chink is with the personnel. Once the initial brainwashing wears off, many realise that they are on the first rung on the Good Ol' Boy ladder. Then comes the epiphany that JHK has pointed out: What is it about this culture that is worth dying for? At any Army base I was stationed, I never saw any books by Sartre in the library.

"some glow in the dark sushi" = see food!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Change the last 'e' in see to an 'a' and give me a milk-bone.

I'll take a stab at it. Ahem, the universe is unconcerned about your comfort level.

Did Met write that or did I? Rights "come from Thomas Jefferson"? What does that mean? That Jefferson is God? He believed that rights were innate to put it in secular terms - since he was an agnostic. What the alternative? That they come from the State. That's what the United Nations believe. All the rights they list in their Declaration are actually Privledges that can be taken away.

The Third alternative is Turkle's "Legalism" to use the name of the Chinese School who believed thus. Machiavellian would be the Western Equivalent. Rights don't exist - only power. Turkle trots this out now and then as a defence against me - at other times he's a raving idealist of the Communist School.

You are a true degenerate Kramps. You must enjoy beating off to the show Cops as they mistreat the perps. Just remember to change the race of perp in your mind to adjust to reality.

Also, why would a God bestow "rights" and then allow them to be taken away by talking monkeys with fire sticks? Oh, that's right. We have to wait for the transition and then check to see if they're being dealt with in Hell. Well, let's hope they have the TV Guide in heaven ('cuz there is no beer).

Well whoever wrote it please add:

While god has given you your rights it is up to you to keep them because no matter where they come from other men can take them away.

Thus spake k-dog.

Carlin said we had no rights but obviously thought that that was a bad thing and that we should have them.

Now obviously the three approaches to this do connect: rights may be innate but they are going to protect themselves. Nor is God going to come down and do it. We have to do it ourselves. Thus rights come from power which come from the sword. So We fought a Revolution and won. The Elite of Europe nodded sagely and saw a new Dynasty come inot being. They gasped in horror and disbelief when Washington stepped down voluntarily. Only then, did they realize that the Founding Father really believed what they had written.

See the Principle? Sacrafice of personal power and influence in favor of the Good as put forth in the Constitution. That's what ultimately makes this School different from the French Revolution and their Rights of Man propaganda. All their rights were only privledges - just a trick to get the Intellectuals and the Middle Class on their side. The lower class were promised revenge and loot. That sufficed.

No beer but they have cable? Well I know the weed is good, that has biblical sanction.

"They gasped in horror and disbelief when Washington stepped down voluntarily."

As will k-dog.

Oh the horror: Jon Stewart mocks the Republicans as they crawl and compete to curry Jewish favor.

http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=10720

Let that be all the proof that you need. Getting a liquor license is a bitch.

Anyone see the movie "Thirty Days of Night"? Many here would enjoy it. The Vampire Lord of Easter Siberia and his gang come and terrorize an isolated Alaskan Town during the Time of Dark. One of the People says, "Oh God". The Vampire Lord responds seriously, "No God".

Other hightlights: he kills one of the other Vampires who the people injured with a sun lamp. With incredible compassion he asks if she understands that "What is broken must be broken". She nods.

Also it's cool how the Vamps have blood on their face and don't bother to wipe it off between kills. Why bother? We're a long way from the Courtly Count Dracula here. Also I like the way the people became vampires: not all at once but gradually becoming toothy and snappy.

The Vampire Lord understands how incredibly cruel much of human compassion is. He puts his human servant out of his misery when the Town Folk had left him chained up with a gunshot wound.

Thus the School of State Idealism always sucuumbs and becomes Legalism or the State having all Power. As the Kagans and Sotor Mayers transorm us into us into a Secular Socialist State we will simultaneously transform into a Tyranny.

Good Goverment is Small Goverment. And it's only possible when the People do for themselves and their Community. If People don't take care of their own Friends and Family, then the State must. That's how it began. Republicans and Libertarians don't see this and think you can change one thing (Social Welfare) without changing the way we live.

Thus I have delineated the position of the Third Way as it pertains to Human Rights. Neither the so called Right nor the so called Left can accept these truths but rather each will try to assign me to the enemy's camp. Don't fall for it - and fight yourself if you find yourself doing it (you will).

Just finished a fiction book called "The Painted Bird" by Jerry Solkinzzzzzeksi ...heck, I don't know how to spell his last name. It's a great book about a boy's experience with the evil of humanity during WWII. I sometimes read when I'm not watching "Cops" and beating off.

Must concur. One of the best scary movies, ever. And yes, agreeing with you about ANYTHING is swallowing a Lincoln Log (R) sideways.

That's probably gonna be mine for the day.

Allow me to post to myself. I can see that I rudely interrupted the daily mass postings of (at it's core) racist blather. Please continue. What the fuck was I thinking of?

Oh snap. I see the two "Vlads" now. Fuggin' perfect.
Vampires.

You better or I'll rap your snout with a rolled up Sunday New York Times.

Yep, one half of the working class. But they may not be reliable.

I think I posted here last week that two right wing security guards came up to me. One said that he listened to my show, and liked it.

One was totally opposed to the plans to throw US citizens into military prisons.

On Democracy Now today, they were talking about that law, and the ACLU lawyer said that the head of the military and the head of national intellingence are against it, but Carl Levin and Lindsey Graham were for it "for some reason".

For some reason??? Who is pushing this? Clearly not the military, but to think that the Congress comes up with bills on their own is totally ridiculous.

I tend to think that the article makes it pretty clear. They expect widespread unrest in the coming economic collapse, and they are preparing for mass arrests and imprisonment. Not the Congress, not the military, the real ruling class, the .01%.

So our only hope is that the rank and file refuse to do their duty.

But, looking at the cops and the occupy citizens, they probably will.


Only I don't vant to suck your blood. I vant to suck something else.

I'm the smart, non-racist, kind to you and your dog, Vlad. And yes, that means K-dog gets his milk bone.

Yeah and I'd tase you first, bro. And I'd be justified since a Queer's mouth is a deadly weapon - full of lies, impurity, and disease.

You'd spasing on the floor with egg nog coming out of your orofices. Sounds great, huh?

Yeah westcoast I'm a subscriber to OQ, but it has gone down hill and become nothing but a "name the jew" outlet. Anti-semetism being a huge fault of the white right since it basically takes a few facts and truths and blows them up into a farcial magic horror show concoction, totally beneath us.

Oh get off your high horse. Your weirdness is not wisdom. Mine is. Salem's Lot is scarier because more supernatural.

Last week one of my Facebook friends in Texas spent 30 hours in jail for rolling through a stopsign.

Apparently, the only traffic violations in Texas for which you CAN'T get thrown into jail for; are speeding and having open containers in the vehicle.

James Hansen tries to change the tone and fails. Why? Because Fukashima has become theoretical and abstract while the contestants here dispute what is real and in front of them.

From what I gather nuclear reactions depend much on the geometrical shape of the reactants and now that the shape has been so distorted no one knows where entropy goes.

Also if entropy were happening it would produce heat and other by-products and even the scare mongers have been hard pressed to find measurable quantities of either. My bet, it is a long term degradation that destroys a valuable part of Japan, not just in a big bang news worthy event.

Wait, wait, I know this...the blood of Muslim children?

We have rights just for being born human on this planet.

The Bill of Rights forbids the government to interfere with these innate rights.

Our current government is definitely interfering with our rights. They must be stopped.

No, no. I am not Vlad Krantz, evil blogster and misanthrope. I love my Muslim brothers and sisters (okay, maybe I love the brothers more, but in a different sort of way).

See. And I'm waitin' for the flawless combination of racism AND religious dogma. Just wait. It's coming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Uvt83YWWWY

Oh, you probably already saw this one, but Kevin Zeese reports that my theory has already been thought of-

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29975.htm

The article is well worth reading.

"The Tea Party and Occupy Movement are signs of an American revolt – a revolt against a corrupt government that funnels wealth to the top 1% while leaving Americans economically insecure. When I asked McGovern about this, he said he could not see any reason for the domestic use of the military except for the fear of the elites:

“I think it may be fear. They worry that the DC police, Park Police, even Capitol Police will be subverted into seeing that they are really part of the 99%; that when push comes to shove (literally) they cannot be relied upon to carry out mass arrests/imprisonments; that the powers-that-be need to be able to call on the Army, which can be more dependably relied upon to carry out whatever bloody orders may be required at the time.”

For those people who are aggravating me by falling for the anti-Iranian propaganda, recycled as it is, look at the map of Iran in this link, totally surrounded by US military bases.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29977.htm

Then read the one about how the US is paying for killers to kill Iranian scientists, blow up Iranian military bases, and other provocative acts.

And then try to act like some innocent American citizen, being targeted by evil just for being so incredibly good and free.

Do they hate us because we're beautiful?

A disjointed, distorted, spurious and never ending pile of crazy. If any piece of it is true, the entirety of the audio conversation Wilcock offers of the "guy who speaks fluent Japanese" made barely an ounce of sense -- and that's being generous.

ABSALOM

A little comic releif for fellow cluster fuckers, enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=HhOpJumrj4E

"My bet, it is a long term degradation that destroys a valuable part of Japan, not just in a big bang news worthy event."

The Big Bang has already happened.Its the long, slow part that is going on now, but its insidious as you can't see the radiation, but when the Japanese start having two-headed babies (again), they might catch on that the 'incident' was actually worse than their government let on. Of course by then it is way too late. Has the Japanese government evacuated the area around Fuckushima for hundreds of miles? No? Then they are screwed.

Ummm.... that sushi sure was good, but I'm getting a little heartburn. Whats good for radiation poisoning?

:/

Michigan: Christians banned from delivering tracts on sidewalk

After all, Dearborn is 30% Muslim, and they don't go for that sort of thing. "It's ironic that while Americans are applauding the free speech exercised by hundreds of thousands of Muslims on the streets of Iran, the city of Dearborn is restricting free speech rights Christians are attempting to exercise on the city's public sidewalks."


[thanks jihad watch.com]

Oh Vladdie! You say the cutest things! Smooch, smooch!

Leib me alone - Greta Garbo.

Prog you forgot no welfare after two kids and rewards for sterilizations.

Naw, people only change when they have to. It's more like Perish and then Paradigm Shift. Not an either or, but an if then.

As Capt Kirk said, What? Die of something you can't see? Just so, a Society slowly dies as it is infiltrated by alien races.

Thanks for at least commenting on something that matters instead of feeding the trolls.

This seems to mostly make sense to me: {from the link}

"If there's anything our country needs right now, it's someone who can help bring some unity back to the country - mainly via the fact that first and foremost he wants to massive slash or completely eliminate most of the military-industrial complex.

I may be overstating this slightly, but I believe if you polled most liberals they would be virtually unanimous in agreeing that ending all wars and foreign aid to corrupt leaders for business interests would be considered an ideal for any candidate's platform.

Furthermore, he accomplishes this via one of the right's biggest goals - reducing the size of government.

Combine that with the fact that he is completely unafraid to agree or disagree with either party as long as his ideology remains consistent, and now he begins to attract that portion of "The Middle" that has tuned out because so many politicians will sacrifice ideology for support & money from powerful interests such as Corporations, Wealthy "One-Percenters" who can buy their way into office or influence policy, labor unions, etc.

Seriously, who else could unite all of these groups? No one. The only problem is that so few people ACTUALLY BELIEVE HE CAN WIN.

Case in point - while I think he was could have been better as governor, Independent Jesse Ventura rose massively in polls late in the 1998 Presidential Election.

Once people actually believed he could win, an avalanche of support came through for him in the final days and gave him the victory [I was one of those who didn't want to "throw my vote away". ].

The point is that people are starting to pay more attention to Ron Paul - and this added attention is stealthily increasing every day.

I must admit that this lifelong liberal is not strongly considering for Ron Paul even as a write-in candidate and especially if he runs as an Independent or Libertarian.

Why? Because of all of my liberal dreams for humanity and the world, they seem to be more possible with a leader who is definitely right-of-center.

My opinion is that Pacifism is the belief most commonly shared amongst liberals in the U.S., which is a positive which vastly outweighs many negatives for him in the eyes of those on the left."

They built a big Mosque in Texas and then told the local pig farmer to leave. Instead he started having Pig races every Friday - naming the contestants Ali, Mohammad etc. Compare this with the despicable Brits who banned PIGGY BANKS so as not to "offend" those whom everything offends.

Russell Simons is outraged that Lowes stopped advertising during that Muslim Reality Show - some BS about how totally American they are. He threatened Lowes with legal action - I mean WTF?! Katie Perry needs to sit on his face and shut this fool up.

The trouble is, once you perish it is kind of hard to make the paradigm shift. Real hard.

Put me in the big white doghouse and I'll do all the paradigm shifting for you. Actually that's not quite true. I'm going to get everyone else to do the shifting. My job is just to get them working.

And the last time she had a spliff was when?

We had one who never inhaled. What we need now is one who never exhaled.

Me.

Hey AntiSoak you better be careful what you say about the Muslims. Those f----rs are beyond reproach! Besides they might show up at your house and stab you to death, like they did in Holland to Van Gogh's great-nephew.

Here on CFN you can hammer Christians and Jews till the cows come home. Muslims ... forgetaboutit!!!

---WSP7

serious shit if ANY of it is true...THOUSANDS OF TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS???!!! %85 of the world s gold? and why does it all start to make sense...? i can t fucking wait to see if the lawsuit makes even alternative media...I STRONGLY SUGGEST ALL OF YOU TRUE CF'dNation READ THE LINK, before it is erased; given its content i doubt jhk can leave it; if he does my respect for his cojones can only grow absolom is a troll

Did the owsers manage to shut down the west coast ports yesterday? Suddenly it disappeared from the news. Are the ship loads of merchandise from China once again getting thru to Walmarts and Best Buys across the USA?

Pretty soon it will be time for JHK to make his yearly predictions. I hope he doesn't predict the Dow falling to 4000 again this year.

--WSP7

Why? Because of all of my liberal dreams for humanity and the world, they seem to be more possible with a leader who is definitely right-of-center.

The greatest danger to the future of humanity is the good and the just. Whatever harm the wicked may do it is the harm of the good and the just that we should fear most.

Once there was a man who on seeing the good and the just hard at work at their money changing tables became so enraged at their blindness he turned over all the tables in the temple and changed history.

The sublime depths of the stupidity if the wise makes them Pharisees unable to see the evil living in their own hearts. The good and the just will strike down all those who would follow their own virtue to create something new. Those who create, these people the Pharisees surely hate the most because anything created is new and in opposition to what already is.

If you want to guarantee that we won't have any paradigm shift at all vote for someone "right-of-center".

If you want real change vote for k-dog.

k-dawg, sorry to bust yer bubble, but republican jon kyle already beatcha to it...do not fear, you already have my full and unwavering support, and as your drug czar, would be able to contribute mightily to yours and everyone s oxygen exchange...

That's good because this not exhaling bit is turning me blue.

Should be: The sublime depths of the stupidity of the wise.

Wow, 6969's back with a wall-of-spam vengeance, and about 3-4 sock puppets to boot (tegmark, 8man, old69, chongerso).

Getting back on topic?:

"The world has run out of money, that is credible money of the type that represents real wealth, and yet is up to its ears in paper representations of putative wealth-like stuff: mortgages, credit default swaps, Gold ETFs, synthetic CDOs, naked shorts, bonds of all sorts."

That's something that has been rattling around in my (vacuum of a) brain for months now. Dylan Ratigan and Matt Taibbi have spelled out this $600+ trillion dollars of worthless *toxic debt collateral* for a long time. However, it took me a while to understand the whole (lack of a) financial banking system, being subverted to wholesale investment gambling (against clients).

I'm even of the opinion that most of these investment vehicles (shorts/options/derivatives/etf's - haha 2 ton death-metal coffins) are not "zero-sum", as they should be, by mathematical definition. I believe there are arithmetic flaws in their *investment models*, resulting in inflationary residuals, which can be severely exploited through high volume (70% of market trades) short-term "milli-second" computerized *MANIPULATION*. In other words, *skimming* (extracting) money from everyone else's actual stock investments.

I'm so glad JHK touched on this, and spelled it out in such a *familiar* fashion, for me. It means many things to me, none of which you will ever *extract* from my brain (but 3-4 things you could *synthesize*, if'n you're paying attention).

I had a friend who took his wife back to Japan about 1 month ago, for a vacation. I warned him ahead of time, and I was surprised he didn't ban me outright (those materialistic, closed-minded consumer Americans!). Japan will NOT kill their tourism by telling the truth about Fukushima. I'm thinking about vacationing in Bikini Atoll - WTF, only 70 megatons +++ detonated there. I figure the sunsets would be *glowing*...

Ix- check out the link mess posted at 3:05^

"Did the owsers manage to shut down the west coast ports yesterday? Suddenly it disappeared from the news. Are the ship loads of merchandise from China once again getting thru to Walmarts and Best Buys across the USA?"

The plan to shut down the west coast ports was a plant by local media. The real story is that the Occupy Seattle Movement was given notice last Friday to vacate their campground at Seattle Central Community College. They were allowed to stay where they were over the weekend and spent Monday getting ready for Tuesday's move to their new campground down by the port.

So "Suddenly it disappeared from the news." happened because it was put in by the news in the first place and there was no more steam in the phony story to keep it going.

Apparently the plan worked well. Somebody fell for it and they now can hate the OWSers a little bit more than they did yesterday.

So how does k-dog know?

Because I'm here.

Charlie,

I'm sure I can find more interesting work for you to do than that.

That job is going to be permanently retired in a year or so under restructuring anyway.

Do you know anything about trains and windmills?

k-dog

M'Druid,

It's quite a story about the Drag0n Family.
I D/L'd the complaint PDF ( http://divinecosmos.com/media/Keenan_complaint_11-23-2011_SDNY.pdf - 114 pagess, 20mb), and it reads like something from the da Vinci Code or the Bourne Identity.

I did get a bit confused, though, about how the docs, seized at Chiasso (in 2009), were ever returned to figure in the Zurich meetings in 2010. (I got as far as page 68 so far with minor skipping)

As the Page 1 of the PDF above states they have 21 days (60 if a govt agency) to respond, we should see if this is dismissed for 'lacking merit' or something.

Also note the original page (link in MD's post) has several updates today, incl some alleged deth threats - see updates just above the comments section.

"The good and the just will strike down all those who would follow their own virtue to create something new."

"If we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged."

These "good and just" [their opinion] were not judging themselves by the law. They had set aside the law and replaced it with their own traditions and commandments and doctrines of men. The law is what made them sinners.

Christians have, for the most part, set aside God's Law as well, at the teaching of the antinomians and replaced it with man-made stuff. These denominational doctrines, which are for the most part extra-biblical, provide them with a means to feel superior {virtuous compared} to other denominations.

Leaven of the Pharisees = antinomianism
Leaven of the Sadducees = materialism
Leaven of the Essenes = asceticism
Leaven of Herod = politics

greens (veggies that is) will end up being far more useful than greenbacks sometime in the near future

http://eighthacrefarm.blogspot.com/2011/12/and-some-rays-of-hope.html

happy hump day fellow doomers

To add to my above post:

The lawsuit concerns some $145B, in 4%-bearing US bonds (some from 1934), whose present-day value is about $1T.

From Page 19:


During the course of its existence over the last century, the Drag0n Family has accumulated great wealth by having provided the Federal Reserve Bank and the United States Government with asset assignments of gold and silver via certain accounts held in Switzerland, for which it has received consideration in the form of a variety of Notes, Bonds and Certificates such as those described in ¶ 2 that are an Obligation of the Federal Reserve System. Upon information and belief, these Bonds have values ranging in the many Thousands of Trillions of United States Dollars, a relatively small portion of which is involved in the claims giving rise to this action.

Emphasis mine.

Yes Jeff but how near?
2012? 2015?

Crimesofthetimes blog:
Exposing the Criminal Liberal Bias of America's
Newspaper of Record
Tuesday, December 13, 2011
This Is Rather Amazing:
A Moroccan Named "Nordine Amrani" Uses Grenades And An AK-47 To Kill Five People in Liège, Belgium Today;

While In Florence, Italy, A So-Called "Right-Wing Extremist" Kills Two African Illegal Immigrant Trinket Peddlers From Senegal Before Committing Suicide:


French National TV "TF1" Uses The Latter Killing To Re-Hash Images of Anders Breivik And Other White Male European Killers, Without Ever Talking About The North-African Origins Of The Liege Killer


If you thought the anti-majority population-replacement propaganda was bad here in the USA, and at the New York Times - Amerika's Newspaper Of Record - in particular, take heart : it is even worse (a lot worse) in the Old Continent...

Concerning FEMA camps -

I keep thinking about the numbers involved.
A "FEMA" camp, or any other sort of camp - large enough, and organized enough to keep 100,000 people locked away for an indefinite period will be HUGE.

I'm not saying that FEMA camps don't exist, but I'm saying they are large, and probably pretty obvious - like old military bases, or old prisons - or new prisons, with a nod to WageL.

And I do believe that our present Criminal Justice system - local, state, and federal - is probably more than capable of handling those who happen to be "detained?" for acts of civil disobedience related to OWS or Occupy Your Street, or Occupy Your Money in BOA, or whatever.

So, lets say that large FEMA camps exist.
And lets say that TPTB (aka Federal authorities) have a list of reasons for actually FILLING these FEMA camps.

For your consideration - I posit that filling these camps with unemployed college graduates from the OWS demonstrations - is probably #99 or #100 on the PTB list - of likely uses for these FEMA camps.

#1 or #2 on the list - and far more likely -

Some sort of natural or, more likely, MAN MADE disaster that renders large portions of any medium or large city uninhabitable.

Natural disaster? - think Katrina, but think of things that could be larger in scope. Massive Earthquake, perhaps? Something like the New Madrid Quake - except at today's population densities.
Or if you really want to lose sleep, GOOGLE "Yellowstone Super volcano," and tell me you think a few FEMA camps could handle the repercussions of an event like that.

Man made disaster? - it would take one SMALL "dirty bomb" of a barely carcinogenic or nuclear variety - to render several square MILES of a city evacuated, and probably uninhabitable for months or years.

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Wow! And I was feeling like such an optimist, just this morning.

Asoka,

Glad you too spotted what was a glaringly ridiculous claim, one of many wildly intriguing though obviously specious statements in that piece. I thought it was telling from the outset that Wilcock was another New Ager flake, and that he actively receives messages from the source energy voice of the universe :( What a freak show, and this goober didn't hesitate to plug his own pseudo-science "creative" nonfiction?? book at the end of his Glen Beck inspired red herring screed.

Good to know a few posters here can read critically and with a skeptics eye, unlike this blind believing sorry clown:

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"serious shit if ANY of it is true...THOUSANDS OF TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS???!!! %85 of the world s gold? and why does it all start to make sense...? i can t fucking wait to see if the lawsuit makes even alternative media..."
--charliefoxtrot AKA charlieisfukingnutz--
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“If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.”
― W.C. Fields

Sheesh, this pathetic old man(charlieisfukingnutz) truly shit the bed when he read that interview dialogue. Like he was watching an episode of X files or some shit.People who can't think for themselves really will believe anything they're told, given the right timing and circumstance -- Amazing.

ABSALOM

I hardly see how the events in Japan are theoretical, 600 tons of out of control coriums is as real as you can get.It is a grand experiment, which nobody knows the outcome.

It seems any discussion about Fukushima upsets most people and they really do not want to be informed at all. I brought it up here because I can not do it in real life. Getting just four or five responses feels like a success to me. I am not trying to change the tone here, this is just one subject amongst many. I must say this is one hell of a site, the number of literate and intelligent people here is impressive. It has gotten better as time goes on.

Max Keiser is a god damn reptilian!
- http://goo.gl/kL2KK

"Prog you forgot no welfare after two kids and rewards for sterilizations."
-bossier, adding to P2C birth control ideas-

Good ideas, bossier - both of which I would happily advocate, on a personal level.

Although, those one of those two ideas may stray too far into "political incorrectness," to find acceptance among what passes for leadership at the National level.

I believe birth control education, plus easy access to GOOD birth control - would render the "huge family on welfare" less of a problem.

Pay for vasectomy, however?
Or pay for tubal ligation?
- both are FANTASTIC ideas!
Where do I go to contribute?

Concerning Fukushima daiichi -

James, I appreciate your trying to keep this issue on the front burner for CFN. And you should like this link, too:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v480/n7377/full/480313a.html

My first thought concerning Fukushiima is regret for the Japanese people. My second thought - is that I'm glad I'm here, on the Eastern seaboard of the United States, and not there.

It's ironic that Obama and the gang were pushing full speed ahead toward next generation nuclear power in the US - when Fukushiima came along. In a logical world - this would have interrupted their plans. Do you think we live in a logical world. (In a logical world you would think the US Powers That Be would WANT Iran to have a nuclear power generating plant, too. Logic is in the eye of the beholder AND varies according to the situation, apparently.)

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With all of that being said, and especially being here and not there - I'm having a hard time getting overly exercised about Fukushiima. First of all, there's not a thing I can do about it.

Second, and maybe more importantly - I grew up drinking radioactive milk, hiding under those magical school desks that would stop atomic blasts -

And I am still supposed to be mortally afraid of eating pure white snow - which almost never falls where I live.

Screw it. As soon as it snows, I'm gonna' make a big bowl of snow ice cream. Then I'm gonna' sip on a Wild Turkey Bourbon and snow water - and wait for the end of time.

Or maybe I'll just look forward to glowing softly in the night - so I won't need a nightlight to find my slippers.

But keep posting James.
If Fukushiima is as bad as it could be -
That has grave implications for power generation in the United States - sooner or later.

I just read this on the HP, Indefinite Detention Bill No Longer Faces Veto Threat From White House.

We are officially a fascist police state clusterfuck nation!

I think this is one of the 1% guys what do you think?

Peter Bruce Lilley

A man educated in physics making obscenely gross underestimates of the effect of CO2 on global warming.

No shit

Indefinite Detention Bill No Longer Faces Veto Threat From White House

Looks like we didn't make to Christmas after all. JHK was right and now we have to fight.

No shit

Indefinite Detention Bill No Longer Faces Veto Threat From White House

Looks like we didn't make it to Christmas after all. JHK was right and now we have to fight.

That's better.

I'm dismayed by the many posters' here dismissal of Dr. Paul.

There's a consistent man, a constitutionalist, that proposes a change from the business-as-usual, likely helpful to the masses (and very scary to TPTB and their minions at the MSM), but many of the sheep-people take their cues from the MSM and bad-mouth him. Why?

I D I O T S !

Re
- Asoka: he's on the govt dole - not so, he doesn't even participate in the 'Congress Retirement Plan'
- HHighwater: abortion - he's an obstetrician, for crying out loud. Abortion is a States' Right, not Fed. BTW, try to rate the prestige/standing of an abortionist v. obstetrician in the different medical specializations, if you will.
- Abs: he wouldn't last - just vote for a 'winner,' would you? He's a 'pacifist/isolationist' - oh, come on. He's for 'fair' (not 'free') trade and not giving in to the military-industrial complex: they're ones that would lose, hence the smears.

The rest of you: please find out what Ron Paul stands for from his words, not the 'official' version. I, for one, think no one (except Kucinich) has even came close.

Check his website: http://ronpaul2012.com without prejudice, please

First they come up with 22 forms of torture, now it is no charges,no trial,no lawyers and no phone call. Into the hole you go,never to come back. Even when other countries did this shit they did not talk about it. We have to have it go through Congress and have the President of The United States Of America sign it into the law of the land!

Am I on a bad acid trip or what.

With regards to the thesis :

" How an Excess Capacity - Technological Economy implies Free Salaries, Cheap Rents, and Huge Private Public Projects (Rockets to Mars and Skyscrapers) as the only way Forward"

Alexandra and San Jose Mommy (and her hot teenage chick who will present it to her "social studies" class in high school) are working on, you may need to insert the following:


Confusing Words

Think! The problem is that the debts (which should be called Extra Free Wealth Generated by Excess Capacity produced by a High Productivity Technological Economy) have to be "paid back": but this implies that a linear cause and effect, a simple linearity between money and "work", "activities" is still operating. But this is no longer operating anymore and has been gradually disappearing for decades now: for example, you have a trillion dollars of debts to pay back and you imagine, you make believe that in the "future" there will be some equivalent work, activities people will perform, inputs -> manipulations -> outputs that will performed and that should be "valuable", should relate to other things that are more obviously and clearly valuable like concrete things like houses and cars for example (or food, or water, or energy) but no one really knows what on earth will be equivalently valuable when the production of really valuable things like cars and houses and energy has been optimized, is continually being optimized, can be done with fewer and fewer workers and we often already have too many of such items (like 15 million empty homes in the USA, and maybe 20 million empty homes across Europe from Lisbon to Moscow).

In other words, the imagined future work that should compensate the debts just isn't NEEDED and just can't be INVENTED no matter how hard you try. It seems that the world has tens of trillions of dollars of debts, but just one trillion dollars would be equivalent to 10 million jobs being paid 10,000 dollars a year (which is a pretty high salary in most of the world) for 10 years: now what activity, what jobs are available ? How can those number of jobs be available to "pay back the debts" ? Exactly what informational or physical transformation, input -> manipulation -> output will 10 million people do for 10 years everyday for 8 hours that will be equivalently worth their salary ? No one knows, no one thinks about it, but according to the Standard Economic Model it will be solved by the Invisible Hand of the market, but the invisible hand is doing the exact opposite: it is cutting as many jobs as possible since a Technological Economy is all focused on getting more for less, optimizing, automating, using Computers and Internet to cut costs which means jobs (else why invest in innovation and research if you can't cut costs (which really means jobs) ?).

So, obviously there is no way that the debts will ever be paid back by "work": but then this is the logical error, the debts are not really debts, they really represent the "excess wealth generated by the excess capacity" the system generates and can give out freely without actually needing any pay back time hence any corresponding pay back work: it is like pretending you can stop eating for a year and then at the end of the year you eat 100 meals to compensate (or eat 100 meals in one day and not eat for a year), but that doesn't make sense, the economy is a process, a steady state process that doesn't work according to that absurd logic: so this can only mean, mathematically, logically, that the debts are not really debts, but the exact opposite: wealth, free lunches, free money.

But the Standard Economic Model cannot accept this, it is too tied up to an 18th century model of "you have to deserve it", "you have to work for it", they are still tied up to a simple linear cause and effect model of the economy, like "more work means more wealth", they are still tied up to a "Protestant Work Ethic" view of life, but the Technological Economy, being an automatic process has hosed the entire model, has crashed that computer program and no one understands what is going on.


AN APE


Some corrections so you can copy and paste it...

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http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177613

Think! The problem is that the debts (which should be called Extra Free Wealth Generated by Excess Capacity produced by a High Productivity Technological Economy) have to be "paid back": but this implies that a linear cause and effect, a simple linearity between money and "work", "activities" is still operating. But this is no longer operating anymore and has been gradually disappearing for decades now: for example, you have a trillion dollars of debts to pay back and you imagine, you make believe that in the "future" there will be some equivalent work, activities people will perform, inputs -> manipulations -> outputs that will performed and that should be "valuable", should relate to other things that are more obviously and clearly valuable like concrete things like houses and cars for example (or food, or water, or energy) but no one really knows what on earth will be equivalently valuable when the production of really valuable things like cars and houses and energy has been optimized, is continually being optimized, can be done with fewer and fewer workers and we often already have too many of such items (like 15 million empty homes in the USA, and maybe 20 million empty homes across Europe from Lisbon to Moscow).

i suppose i deserved that, sorry i won t just throw the 't'word around in future; at least not without a second thought...look i think it is awesome if somebody is really sueing effectively the entire financial boondoggle; it doesn t matter whether i believe the claims doesn t really matter- it happens i don t, necessarily- and when i recommend something, i don t necessarily believe all of the content...make up your own mind, and post your 2%...again, sorry to offend...

Things are getting better:


Census shows 1 in 2 people are poor or low-income
By Hope Yen
Associated Press / December 15, 2011

WASHINGTON—Squeezed by rising living costs, a record number of Americans -- nearly 1 in 2 -- have fallen into poverty or are scraping by on earnings that classify them as low income.
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OWSers are Reactionary Thugs

I read often that they associate themselves with the greens, environmentalists, climate change doomsters (doomsters of all kinds), etc. Especially anti-consumerist, anti-industrial, anti-progress, anti- technology and anti-science mostly. Well, tell me exactly what will this bring ? Mostly ever more poverty to the 99 %, mostly ever more concentration of wealth to the 1 %, a worsening of all of the economic wealth and well being of most people worldwide, etc.

And why is this ? Why are they so fixed on hating consumerism and an economic system that wants to bring comforts and toys and well being, leisure, fun and happiness to as many people as possible ? Because they have a kind of religious, mostly right wing (but are unaware of how reactionary and backwards they really are) fervor against pleasure, they hate the idea that humanity can advance with technology and science, they want to go back to a "simpler time" which really means the stone ages, as much real poverty as possible by taking away as many advances and comforts as possible, because the consumerism and goods and comforts are "ethically bad", "are the devil", "have something bad associated with them", etc.

Everything is a threat, any kind of energy generation is a threat, atomic energy is looked upon as the devil, everything is bad, in essence, what they really hate is people, they hate people living better lives: they think that in some magical way, getting rid of consumerism, industry, energy, cars they will do the 99 % a favor: nothing further from the truth, this will just make them dirt poor, will create even greater pain for most people, but that is what they really want, they want to punish everyone because the Technological Economy gave the masses comforts which according to them "they don't deserve" because "they harm nature".

I can't believe how idiotic all these greens, doomsters, climate change doomsters and all really are: we need the exact opposite, we need ever more projects, developments, consumption, atom energy, Rockets to Mars, we need the opposite of what the OWSers want.

All of the technical and scientific problems that production imposes on the environment can be solved (even though perfection is impossible to obtain, and you will never solve all problems everywhere and for all time once and for all) or at least can be contained by using a progressive - futuristic ideology, by applying ever more technology, not by condemning technology.

But the OWSers (now firmly stable in the green movements, anti-consumerist, where most of the left usually is also, I can't believe how warped their priorities are) are mostly bored brats that want a cause to fight for, superstitious idiots that are afraid of what they don't understand (technology, atom energy, progress, etc.), old hags, old craps, and what better cause to fight than the boring stability of consumerism and the boring move forward that the automatic economy produces ? They are bored, they need an enemy, they need an imagined boogeyman, they need to fight against any technology and progress, what turds, hate them with all your guts, they are fascists, extreme right stone age apes, they don't want what we really need: free salaries, scott free hand outs, trillions of skyscrapers, rockets to mars, the future, progress, projects, production, trillions of 1966 oldsmobile 98s!

Peak oil is false, it is only carbon chemistry and science will find many alternatives, resources can be recycled and recreated by science, we are going ever forward in all sectors, but the greens - OWSers are failed jealous losers, they are envious miserable losers that hate the progress other men are performing.

And then, it is so easy to be against cars and atom energy and have this anti-consumerist stance, anything that goes wrong and presto they are all alert showing how bad everything is, so old and tired, same old crap going on since the early 1960s, what c*cks, I can't believe it!


TOBOR AN APE MAN

"Man made disaster? - it would take one SMALL "dirty bomb" of a barely carcinogenic or nuclear variety - to render several square MILES of a city evacuated, and probably uninhabitable for months or years."

Anyone gathering up all those depleted uranium warheads/ordinances in Iraq/Afghanistan? Grind that sh!t into dust! It would make for a *great* dirty bomb dispersal, courtesy of the US of A!!!

Who says you have to *pay*, for what you can find for *FREE*. Yeah, and add my name to the "list", since I dropped all those warheads *ALL BY MYSELF*...

"For those people"

As I told you already - you and me - we are the *SAME*!!!

Hehe, I know, you hate to admit it. As the globe superheats and boils off our atmosphere, here we are, *ARGUING*.

Those who need to read the *truth*, will not - it is only the *choir* (tell me that is spelled correctly, Q!) that takes "note".

We only talk to ourselves, as all the rest of *them* continue their daily *DESTRUCTION*. Yes, *DESTRUCTION* - they know no other way to get through the "DAY"!!!

Day - Way - *Rhymes*!!! Time for a *SONG*... Zzz...

"Am I on a bad acid trip or what"

You are one of us - the *CHOIR*. We preach to *OURSELVES*.

Do you want to join me in Bikini Atoll? I would like you to come and witness it!!!

"Then I'm gonna' sip on a Wild Turkey Bourbon and snow water - and wait for the end of time."

This is a *FUKIN'* man after my own heart - are you gay - we should get *MARRIED*!!! I'm not gay - but I'm willing to exploit marriage!!!

"I must say this is one hell of a site, the number of literate and intelligent people here is impressive. It has gotten better as time goes on. "

There's a reason we all come back here, time after *TIME*...

And the message never *really* changes (except when you get douche-bags like 6969 or Asoka or Vlad). It's all pretty *CUT AND DRY*.

Re: this site

At the very worst we are witnesses of our moment in time. Right-wing, left-wing. I think the majority of people posting here actually care about the fact that we are living on a precipice and we all worry that the terra firma mooring under our feet is about to disintegrate.

Talking about Fukishima is very in step with this site, so nobody should have complained about Hanson changing the subject. It hasn't disappeared just because the MSM doesn't talk about it in the daily soap opera they call the news.

The expansion of the Patriot act and the Citizen's United should have us all fighting to turn these things back--things are getting progressively worse since 9/11 in this country.

As for Fema camps: How in the world would all those people be taken care of? We couldn't even do Katrina right--now that's a scary thought. Concentration camps revisited?

I see you discharged yourself honorably last week, Eleuthero. Railing against the Catawba grapes that have invaded here and threaten to burst and drive out everything good and wholesome, causing you to threaten to withdraw ("multiweek disappearances"), a promise that you kept for, oh, I don't know, five minutes? before you swept back in with gay defense of stoners "I haven't seen one person become schizoid" and even venturing another unwanted and hugely irrelevant broadside on particle physics even though you had gnashed your teeth about it earlier "non sequiters about particle physics" and all the rest of your adenoidal anecdotal washed-up liberal horseshit.

Listen, old man, try to understand: you are irrelevant. Sit down, and conduct a little thought-experiment that even your tired old brain can apprehend: how many generations of uptight, ruthlessly ambitious eager beavers—possibly just like you, once upon a time—have graduated since you made your fatal mistake to teach? It doesn't matter, because you would think that teachers are the least susceptible to generational blindness to their advancing irrelevance because they are daily witness to the changing times in their own fucking classrooms. But they aren't, though, are they? Are they, Eleuthero?

You're no simpleton 8MAN, but in simplistic fashion you demonize the entire environmental movement. Sorry Tegmark - my how "arbitrary" you really are - but I want clean air and water. I also want to look at the redwoods standing tall and not milled down for backyard deck in NonCulture USA.

And yet I do agree with you: A retreat from technology would prove fatal.

Charlie,

No harm, no foul, sir. Here's to hoping EVERY doomer out there is wrong, even though they probably aren't. I happen to enjoy the delusion of the American dream.

Puff, puff, pass.

ABSALOM

"First they come up with 22 forms of torture, now it is no charges,no trial,no lawyers and no phone call "...........................

"Am I on a bad acid trip or what."

I wish we were all on bad acid trips because at least then you can tell yourself that the glowing colored cellophane wrappers that everything is wrapped up in will all go away when the shit wears off.

It's always good to remind yourself that the shit will wear off and things will get better when doing heavy psychedelics if the going gets tough.

But this shit won't wear off. This shit is here to stay. Once the state starts eating civil rights the appetite becomes insatiable and the tyranny of the good and the just will smother you to death. Once taken they don't come back.

Damn, I wish it was just a bad acid trip.

Speaking of bad acid trips I saw Barbara Walters interview Herman Cane and The Donald last night. It's good both of these men are not serious contenders any more and seeing them has made me re-evaluate my qualifications.

I'll stand by my estimate that there are 100,000 American men and women besides k-dog who have the passion intelligence and skill to lead this country.

It's was painfully clear that both Herman Cane and Donald Trump lacked the passion and love of country to lead us to the promised land. I'll say nothing about their position on the issues. Without passion and love of earth and country position on issues don't matter. Both these men only ever wanted to be president to satisfy their own private ambitions.

I'm more qualified than I thought. Elect me and I get down on my hands and knees and kiss the earth. I stand and swear and oath to the sun and with tears streaming from my eyes sacrifice my soul to lead our country to a bright future of stability and greatness.

No other candidate has my passion.

It will take going past over a thousand names in the New Haven phone book to find a more qualified candidate than k-dog now. Not just a few hundred.

The way it works is this. When the write-in votes are counted and k-dog wins the powers that be will be quick to say that the election doesn't count and is invalid. At that time I call for a general strike and everybody stops working.

After just one day of shutting down the country the Supreme Court Justice won't be able to swear me in fast enough.

It can happen, we can make it happen.

Everybody should familiarize themselves with General Strikes.

They would have you believe that you are without power and they are wrong.

Alright AK, you got me. I thought you WEREN'T just another malignant narcissist pussy who hurtles insults at people when they don't 100% agree with his views.

So you've lumped me into a group of "idiots" and have ascribed remarks to me that are misleading about my personal views at best, distorted to say the least.
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- Abs: he wouldn't last - just vote for a 'winner,' would you? He's a 'pacifist/isolationist' - oh, come on. He's for 'fair' (not 'free') trade and not giving in to the military-industrial complex: they're ones that would lose, hence the smears.
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First, all Ron Paul wants to do is "scale back." He doesn't really want to "change" anything. He's the Republican president we needed in place of Reagan -- 30. YEARS. AGO.

Don't get me wrong, his commercials are great. His own words are true-ish; he sounds like many of the voices here -- The irony is that if, say, people like Chris Martensen, Steve Keen, and James Rickards are even marginally correct regarding the future of resources and debt, Classical Capitalism is defunct; an entirely new system is needed. Ron Paul has next to nothing to contribute to such a discussion, and if you had your eyes open you'd notice RP doesn't dare go there. None of the politicians, incumbent or otherwise, are speaking the WHOLE truth about the insolvency of this nation. And if RP, or any of the other politicians running for office had a genuine sense of reality, they wouldn't be dumb enough to stand at the front of this train-wreck. Thus, anyone who seriously seeks office in this climate has to be sociopathic(Romney), stupid(Perry), narcissistic(Gingrinch), or all of the former. Ron Paul is just a mouthpiece, like Obama turned out to be, not a real problem solver. Funny thing is, I dig the old coot.

The minute Ron Paul cock slaps the Congress and announces we're switching to a resource based economy and having a bonfire of paper money, I'll consider becoming a voter. Sadly, the moment Ron Paul says anything like that, a snipers bullet will splatter his melon all over the podium. And cry babies like you will start wishin' for another super hero to come along.

Get over yourself, dicknose.

ABSALOM


Good interview with Kyle Bass

Come Undone:
- http://goo.gl/UC3aX

I started reading it. I have no way of knowing how much is true, but some of his statements I agree with, and have stated on this blog before.

One is that the Pentagon and the CIA shot down the plans to attack Iran in 2007.

The other is that the rational way to organize society is to plan what people need and then issue money to provide such things.

It is also true that the US forced Japan to stop its economic growth, and that it is now trying to get China to do the same, but China is resisting.

It was also reported (briefly) that there were tons of gold in the World Trade Center, and that someone went in after they were demolished and removed it.

One thing that I have learned is that you CANNOT learn what is going on by reading the news, unless you read the news with the view that this is what the ruling class wants you to believe.

So things that don't make any sense as reported, do make sense when you learn the background or the motives.


Well, of course Obama isn't going to veto the bill.

There was a youtube video going around last week showing Carl Levin saying that the White House were the ones who insisted that the detention language be placed in the bill.

How many times does Obama have to make stern pronouncements about his principles, and then betray them, before you quit believing him? Think telecommunications, bank bailouts, torture or insurance company giveaways. Just for a start.

Yep, you about hit the nail on the head. Now can you explain what you just said here to Bernanke and his fellow central bankers? And just keep it terms that six year olds can understand.

You hear a lot of talk about avoiding "Lehman moments" ie out of control collapses of financial firms. Personally I think that in the coming year "Lehman moments" will be cropping up like zits on an adolescent forehead. Governments and individuals all over the western world are over indebted and there's no amount of financial clearacil that's going to help.

I also agree with him that going back to the gold standard is not a good solution.

I always use the same quote as he does to argue against it "He who owns the gold makes the rules".

Long before the Federal Reserve was set up, the gold standard was not working for our society.

Long depressions, mass unemployment, people starving, farmers not paid enough. Think "Mankind shall not be crucified on a cross of gold".

Not to mention the human misery caused by getting the gold, from the mass murder of natives in South America, to the poisoning of the Earth today in the gold mining business.

Screw it. Go to government issued money, used for the betterment of our society, not for private enrichment or war profiteering.

wage- all i know is i grew up with a healthy (IMnotsoHO) skepticism of mainstream anything, so when i saw those buildings collapse in themselves at 9.8 m/s/s, i witnessed murder; regardless of any official propaganda- and things became crystal clear at once...i try to keep the same skepticism for extreme ideas at the other end of the spectrum too, but if it waddles around quacking, i don t immediately think to myself, "yeah, they re right, that looks just like a chicken!"...according to 'loose change' one semi truck was found full of gold and ready to leave; with evidence that more trucks did disappear...make up your own mind...i know something like that could be thrown in to juice things up- doesn t change other things...

You've outdone yourself again. This is a great explanation as to the nature of money. Can you email what you just wrote here to the Fed? And to Timmy Geithner.

...just wanted to add that i m secure enough in my sense of humor; i don t need a tinfoil hat thanks; but i do respect that many feel strongly in the other direction than myself (sorry, jhk) so i won t be constantly bringing that sort of thing up all the time...peace, CF'dN...

Re: Katrina. Again. When things don't make sense, it's because you don't understand the plan.

If you look at Katrina as an example of FEMA failing to feed people, then, yes, it was a failure.

If you look at Katrina as a way to make New Orleans a whiter city, then it was a huge success.

Why were roadblocks set up to keep people from going into New Orleans to help with the rescue effort?

Why was the Fish and Wildlife Service the only government agency resucing people for the first two days, and why were they told to stop?

Why was Amtrak, who had 2 trains ready to evacuate people, full of coach cars, with a bottle of water, a blanket and a pillow on each seat, told not to evacuate people?

Why was the Red Cross told that they would not be allowed to feed people at the Superdome?

Why was the Coast Guard not allowed to provide water, food or medical care for the citizens of New Orleans?

Why was the truckload of water from WalMart turned away from the city?

If they were so incompetent, how did it happen that within a week after Katrina, black citizens were dispersed all over the country?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9dJjAEVZ4g

actuall, what makes me want to believe the idea is that i like to think that if i had swimming pools filled with gold, and everyone was willing to do things and trade stuff in return for some, i would want to do exactly what the guy in the interview claims this family tried already...and is trying now...advance conditions everywhere for everyone, and try to heal the earth we live on...maybe that s just me

I just came across a copy I saved of this commentary from 2003. It has aged very well and deserves another listen.
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Dr. Seuss Sees America

The Whos down in Whoville liked people a lot,
But the Grinch in the White House most certainly did not.
He didn't arrive there by the will of the Whos,
But stole the election that he really did lose.
Vowed to "rule from the middle," then installed his regime.
(Did this really happen, or is it just a bad dream?)

He didn't listen to voters, just his friends he was pleasin'.
Now, please don't ask why, who knows what's the reason.
It could be his heart wasn't working just right.
It could be, perhaps, that he wasn't too bright.
But I think that the most likely reason of all
Is that both brain and heart were two sizes too small.
In times of great turmoil, this was bad news,
To have a government that ignores its Whos.

But the Whos shrugged their shoulders, went on with their work,
Their duties as citizens so casually did shirk.
They shopped at the mall and watched their TV,
They drove a gas-guzzling big SUV,
Oblivious to what was going on in D.C.,
Ignoring the threats to democracy.
They read the same papers that ran the same leads,
Reporting what only served corporate needs.
(For the policies affecting the lives of all nations
Were made by the giant U.S. corporations.)
Big business grew fatter, fed by its own greed,
And by people who shopped for things they didn't need.

But amidst all the apathy came signs of unrest,
The Whos came to see we were fouling our nest.
And the people who cared for the ideals of this nation
Began to discuss and exchange information:
The things they couldn't read, in the corporate-owned news,
Of FTAA meetings and CIA coups,
Of drilling for oil and restricting rights.
They published some books, created websites,
Began to write letters, and use their e-mail
(Though Homeland Security might send them to jail!).

What began as a whisper soon grew to a roar,
These things going on they could no longer ignore.
They started to rise up and reach out to all,
Let their voices be heard, they rose to the call,
To vote, to petition, to gather, dissent,
To question the policies of the "President".

As greed gained in power and power knew no shame
The Whos came together, said "Not in our name!"
One by one from their sleep and their slumber they woke,
The old and the young, all kinds of folk,
The black, brown and white, the gay, bi- and straight,
All united to sing, "Feed our hope, not our hate!
Stop stockpiling weapons and aiming for war!
Stop feeding the rich, start feeding the poor!
Stop storming the deserts to fuel SUV's!
Stop telling us lies on the mainstream TV's!
Stop treating our children as a market to sack!
Stop feeding them Barney, Barbie and Big Mac!
Stop trying to addict them to lifelong consuming
In a time when severe global warming is looming!
Stop sanctions that are killing the kids in Iraq!
Start dealing with ours that are strung out on crack!"

A mighty sound started to rise and to grow,
"The old way of thinking simply must go!
Enough of God vs. Allah, Muslim vs. Jew,
With what lies ahead, it simply won't do.
No American dream that cares only for wealth,
Ignoring the need for community health.
The rivers and forests are demanding their pay,
If we're to survive, we must walk a new way.
No more excessive and mindless consumption,
Let's sharpen our minds and garner our gumption.
For the ideas are simple, but the practice is hard,
And not to be won by a poem on a card.
It needs the ideas and the acts of each Who,
So let's get together and plan what to do!"

And so they all gathered from all 'round the Earth,
And from it all came a miraculous birth.
The hearts and the minds of the Whos they did grow,
Three sizes to fit what they felt and they know.
While the Grinches they shrank from their hate and their greed,
Bearing the weight of their every foul deed.

From that day onward the standard of wealth
Was whatever fed the Whos' spiritual health.
They gathered together to revel and feast,
And thanked all who worked to conquer their beast.
For although our story pits Grinches 'gainst Whos,
The true battle lies in what we daily choose.
For inside each Grinch is a tiny small Who,
And inside each Who is a tiny Grinch too.
One thrives on love and one thrives on greed.
Who will win out? It depends who you feed!

Author unknown

Here is an account by a couple of paramedics who happened to be in New Orleans at the time..

http://www.emsnetwork.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=56&num=18427

No American dream that cares only for wealth,
Ignoring the need for community health.
The rivers and forests are demanding their pay,
If we're to survive, we must walk a new way.
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.
.
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It needs the ideas and the acts of each Who,
So let's get together and plan what to do!"

This is the best thing I have read all week. Not just this part, the whole thing.

"At long last, physicists may have grasped the deepest layer of reality our species has ever explored" says the NYT about the Higgs sub-atomic particle. But economic Reality completely eludes us.

Jim doesn't talk about it much, but the whole concept of suburbia really was about race segregation.

Great poem, Ront. Thanks for sharing.

One more thing about Katrina.

Gen. Russell Honoree was NOT part of the plan. He just went there on his own and took charge. The first thing he did was tell the military not to shoot American citizens. Another thing he did was leave people in their homes, and give them food and water.

I saw Wolf Blitzer hassling him about that on TV, but didn't realize at the time that the general was ruining the plan. Until I found out later that he wasn't supposed to be there.

Thanks, Ab, for saving me the effort of replying to AK wrt Ron Paul.You kinda took the words out of my mouth.

The role of authority in the post-economic collapse economy -- well, hopefully:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSi1SCqa1YY&feature=fvst

Enjoy with a grain of salt!

ABSALOM

Oh, K-dog, if we only had a president like you 40 years ago, what we could have become.

Also remember that Libya had 16 tons of gold actually stored incountry, unlike Germany, which has a lot stored in the US. (As does, according to that article, China).

I firmly believe that part of the motive for the attack on Libya was a US desire to get that gold.

No prob Bill. I'm all for civil discussions, but my inner caveman won't hesitate to reach for the club.

Cheers!

ABSALOM

I wish CFNers could get over conspiracy theories. These are just scare tactics. Let's deal with solutions to problems that exist today.

I agree here again, too. There are a whole bunch of prairie dogs here standing outside their respective holes and barking about intruders they've spotted. Then if the invader comes too close, they scurry back into the whole, falsely secure amidst all the meager rations they've stored. I'd much rather know about those few with backbone to risk being wiped out in early waves of disaster so that a workable platform for the future can be built. No one gets out alive anyway, so why not face the shock-wave with fearlessness. BIG TALK -- I'm well aware.

ABSALOM

All the more reason to have one now.

This is for you ABSALOM

Both White and Black workers doing clean up were fired when the Mexicans showed up - thousands of them - on buses from all over America. These people are organized - thanks to people like you. New Orleans is certainly a much browner city now.

Black behavior was atrocious during Katriana - with Blacks killing, raping, and shooting at people trying to help them. But no - hurricanes aren't conspiracies. But yes, the crime of Whites having more money and living on higher ground is true. But Whites in the parishes to the East died and lost their homes at the same rate as Blacks.

sir, it is established physics, not theory- plus undeniable confession on national television, plus empirical evidence, again on nayional television, plus a lifelong study of human psychology and action...that said, i ll make up my mind, you yours, and i at least will try to keep it to a dull roar...as to solutions, have you purchased a hamburger today? or have you reappropriated your ones and zeros from your local frachise of the financial mafia?

Some words about why notions of fairness, peace, competition, and utopian societies are contrivances of thought that prevent people from dealing with reality.

Looking for justice will kill you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWYovDRt8tI&feature=related

This old fart might say, "cerebral insufficients won't understand these concepts." Giggle.

Gotta love the elder polymathematicians. Look at the ears on this guy!

ABSALOM

Yes Liberalism is a Cult where all think alike.

You will never understand what's going on in the World because you don't understand the power of Race and Ethncity. Just because you spit on your own people doesn't mean other races do. Don't judge others by your own failings.

You will never understand the social dynamics of America because you don't understand that Women are hypergamous - always disatisfied, always "knowing" that they deserve more because "they're worth it". Thus they bring over 70% of the divorces - never mentioned by the media just as their violence against men and children is covered up.

You will never understand that people need the motivation of profit to do their best work. So you condemn the pursuit even as you yourself seek it assiduously. Thus hypocrisy plays a large part if Liberalism. Just as You forced other people to give up your jobs to minorities or bus other people's children to rotten crime ridden schools.

Liberalism is a stupid cult for lazy souls who don't care to seek the Truth.

My god, what an idiot you are. Not only are you an ignoramus, you're also brain dead.

No can do Bill. Conspiracy is part of Life. Where there are three gathered you'll have two conspiring agains the one. The Founders believed in Conspiracy and were Conspirators themselves. So how can we trust or respect those who are against talking about Conspiracy? Cui bono? Most Americans believed in them until WW1. Then the Media started a huge sustained campaign against the very idea. Cui Bono? Who owned those papers and stations? What group? Tell us Bill.

Farting through your fingertips again I see Smeagol/Metuselah/Mika/Gollum.

Keep barkin' prairie dog.

ABSALOM

Of course. Who ruined the cities? Blacks. Do you think Kunstler or these American Liberals here really want to walk their talk and live with them?

Bibi is trying to get the illegal Africans out of Israel. They are a danger he says. He is correct.

You're right: when did Communists refrain from terrorizing their own People? Not in Russia. Not in China. No in Hungary, Czeckoslovakia, East Germany etc.

A poll just done confirmed what similar polls have confirmed in the past: people are more afraid of big goverment than the big business. But they are the same now.

What's going on Iceland? There seems to be a media blackout.

To belabor a point: 16 tons of gold at the current value of around $1,600/ounce is worth around $800 million. Does anyone really think that US military and political strategists sat around a table and said, "Gee, with an uprising in Libya, let's take advantage of the situation and start a war there, so we can scarf up 16 more tons of gold to add to the 8,000 tons we already have; it'll only cost us around $50 billion to prosecute the war there"?

Come on, people. Would only a possibility of getting a paltry $800M even be a consideration? Let's think clearly here.

The "people" would vote their rights away in a heartbeat. That's why we have a Goverment of Laws and not of Men. There are just too many stupid people - that's why Democracy is a joke and why the Founders never mention the word.

You have to decide if you want to part of the masses or a human being. I'm not hopeful.

Don't worry about him, CFT. His modus operandi is to ask for solutions, and then ridicule people who provide them.

VK, finally rolled his sorry ass outta bed, I see. This fukin' dolt thinks everyone here will lean in for a whiff of his nonsense after he's farted into his hand and rushed it toward his face for the umpteenth time.

Desperate for attention to say the least.

ABSALOM

Charlie, to which of the myriad conspiracy theories are you referring? WTC#7, Katrina, US/FEMA concentration camps, etc.? Physics only applies to the WTC#7, and physics backs up the public version. I went into that here a few months back and don't want to get into further discussions about it.

Isn't it truly bizarre that the American people, who live in the most heavily imprisoned population on the planet, literally cannot imagine the lawbreakers of the elite being prosecuted?

Even during Reagan's term, there were numerous prosecutions, and 1200 bankers went to prison.

But now the very idea of holding the elite responsible for their lawbreaking is held up to ridicule.

What's the deal in Europe? How long is it going to take this so called "crisis" to play out? Jim has been writing about it for 3 years now. Just today the WSJ headlines are about further stresses on big European banks. Its a slow-motion crisis with no end in sight! What are possible outcomes, and why should we care? And despite all the bad news in the WSJ (about Europe) our markets are up once again today. And as I mentioned we were in Europe this summer and everywhere we went (Spain, France, St. Tropez, Italy) people were enjoying themselves with plates of scallops and shrimp washed down with tumblers of chilled champaigne in outdoor cafes in the sunshine. Its a nice life over here for slackers or anybody else who likes tasty iced concoctions mixed up in the blender and served to you by attractive waitresses without an attitude.

--WSP7

Oh the Irony and Hypocrisy! Our "Justice Department" has just come out againt Sheriff Joe Arpaio - as if they have any moral high ground at all. As if they who have refused to defend our border have the right to say a word against a Valiant Warrior who has served us faithfully for decades. And they accuse him or "racism" and ethnic profiling - have they no shame? The illegals are of another race - so that alone give them a right to come here and be parasites? Because they are brown and don't speak English - so we don't have the right to ask them where they're from? The very fact that they don't speak English is a possible sign that they don't belong here. But the obvious and commonsensical is the anathema to the Politically Correct...

Meanwhile Mexico deports Guatamalans and Salvadorans with impunity. That's why real Countries do.

Oh Ya, the 'occupy Hartford' camp is all cleared out and its impossible to tell there was an encampment there at all (just last week). It was right near to where I work. There is a steakhouse nearby too, where I sometime go before I begin my (3rd) shift. I kinda miss sitting at the bar in that place, eating a steak and drinking a cold one, watching the low-level activity of the occupants and the comings and goings of the Police out there guarding the place.

--WSP7

Slander is the first refuge of the clueless.

Yeah, yeah, it was the Jews. Yeah, I know we're responsible for all the disasters in the last 4,000 years. But since we have all this power, didn't you ever think we created the universe, too? Maybe we even created the concept of God. Think about it, we're so devious and cunning, we knew that believing in a god would lead to organized religion, and that would lead to control of the masses, which is obviously our reason d'etre.

BTW, I do sort of agree with you about democracy; it doesn't really work too well. But I'm not as harsh as you are. It isn't about people being too stupid, it's about being uninformed and blind. But democracy isn't a joke, it has high principles, in theory.

But I can see where your thoughts are leading; I know your type. If you were to finish the argument, you'd say that fascism is a much better form of government. I think you know I disagree, so there's no need to pursue that further. Wasn't it you who said recently something like "good government is small government"? I agree with you there. But humans need defined limits on their behavours, which is why we must have some government.

Hmm,.. How many square miles in Hawaii vs the continental US? And yet the US went to war with Japan over these paltry few square miles and less than a dozen obsolete floating rust buckets. Gold is a strategic asset. The propaganda meisters have convinced the masses otherwise, and therefore the complete misprice of gold. You should add 3 or 4 zeros to your calculation, and I'm being very conservative.

Meanwhile at the Coliseum :

Football Fans grow more violent!:

'New York Jets fan James Mohr, 28, was hospitalized and had to undergo surgery following a brutal beating by several Kansas City Chiefs fans who attended the game at MetLife Stadium. The assault on Mohr, a physical education teacher in New York City, came after the Jets' 37-10 win.

[ Related: Dan Wetzel: Remorse isn't part of Ndamukong Suh's playbook ]

According to one report, Mohr was responding to a group of Chiefs fans telling him that "You all deserved what happened on 9/11," and screaming obscenities about New York in general. Mohr's sister Anna said that her brother was compelled to respond because "our other brother is a fireman, and my father is retired FDNY, so you can understand why a 9/11 comment would especially irk him. He was shocked anyone would actually say something like that."

Mohr's response that the comments were "disrespectful" apparently triggered the beating. He suffered a fractured jaw, cheekbone and eye socket, as well as bleeding on the brain.'

ANTI SAYS THEY HAVE CIRCUSES AND BREAD.

Now you're holding up a mirror, Vlad. Every comment you make is cowardly slander, absent profanity.

Have fun chasin' your own tail, dipshit.

ABSALOM

DNA and 'Equality' are 2 different things!

Abs,
I have faith that sincere BIG TALK inspires BIG ACTIONS. The opposite is probably true as well. I, personally, aspire to live UP to what inspires me.
Still, like a corpse, it remains to be seen.

Amen, Ront,

Have a good one.

ABSALOM

Muslim police officer in Dearborn arrests Christian for practicing his religion - which includes the right to prosletyze. One is reminded of the gay officers who arrested Christians prosletyzing at a Gay event. Why don't these officers learn about the Constituion before they do any more stupid things? Ditto for Muslims and Gays as a whole.

http://floridafamily.org/full_article.php?article_no=108

Israel is not Africa. If you're not Jewish you got no business living in Israel. As Bill said, it's about setting limits.

Israel is not Africa. If you're not Jewish you got no business living in Israel. As Bill said, it's about setting limits.

You insulted me first - scumbag.

"It isn't about people being too stupid, it's about being uninformed and blind. But democracy isn't a joke, it has high principles, in theory."

BTB, this reminds of a letter published last Monday.

Blaming others won't solve our problems

I think it is a mistake to continue claiming that so-called conservatives and fundamentalists, or progressives for that matter, suffer from a lack of intelligence or the ability to employ reason.
Our culture has not become deluded and corrupt as a result of stupidity. Rather, I see our restlessness and struggles stemming from a lack of the following: purity of heart; tranquility of mind; kindness and generosity of spirit; a real sense of community or oneness; and integrity, honesty and humility in character.
These depravations can rightly be blamed for nearly all the misery we suffer.
The saving grace is that every individual can be a participant in working toward our collective healing as best he or she is able and willing to pursue self-examination and embrace the responsibilities inherent in the findings.
We are all in the same boat. Blaming or conquering others has not brought any positive results, only greater misunderstanding, hatred and enmity.
Ron Greenstein
El Cerrito

But calling anyone who disagrees with you a Leftist, Communist, or Liberal (or any combo thereof) is cool, right?

Vlad sez...

"Slander is the first refuge of the clueless."

Then he goes on with...

"You insulted me first - scumbag."

Jeez, Vladdie, you really take irony to a new level, doncha?

Yes Bill. The Jews took control of the media in the early 20th Century and used their power ruthlessly - getting us involved in one war after another. Calling anyone who disagreed "isolationist" or "anti-semitic". The huge peace movements before both wars have gone down the memory hole. Why? Don't fit the agenda since they were pro-American and not Communist. So much for Wage and her ilk.

Maybe you read the same book as my Jewish friend? One day he told me that Jews had invented the conscience. Yes the conscience. I was speechless with the hubris. But I let it go: he's a very fine chap when he thinks for himself. Yes, like you. He'll never be willing to admit the bad aspect of Judaism anymore than you. Actually he would after hours of debate. But he'd be back to square one next time we met.

As you know, Jews borrowed heavily from Egypt and Babylon in developing their Theology. But they did a fine job. One cannot but borrow - but one can do it well or badly.

Thank you, Ront. Keep em coming.

You know how dumb the average guy is? By definition half the people are even dumber. They shouldn't be voting. They don't have the capacity to choose wisely even if they are informed. Or don't you believe in IQ at all? You think every little Black boy can be an astronaut? Even if they can't spell cat?

Now Let's see, the problem seems to be Jews, gays, Muslims, Mexicans, anyone who is not white and straight ...btw, just so you know, jerking off into your hand every mornin, night, don't make you straight. You and Mika might want to get a room.

Wrong asswipe. I've never insulted anyone who didn't insult me first. The Liberal Left is nasty beyond all comprehension. You have hated us without cause - and the evil you have done us shall be repaid tenfold.

He's Jewish, stupid. To be funny, you have to be smart first. Get it? Ok?

Theology is dead, Vlad. That chapter of human history is over. This next chapter of human history will be about killing the propaganda meisters. We're just into the first paragraphs of this next chapter.

People with bad or low Karma get born into the lower races. Read the Bhagavad Gita. Krishna says, "Again and Again I throw them into demoniac wombs". Ok Ron Greenstein?

Sometimes it's just too easy. But some of these people actually believe their equality BS. Howard Stern (just now and then I swear, and mostly in the past!) talked about how his Parents refused to leave after the neighborhood had turned Black and how he got his ass kicked everday. The same thing happened in Roxbury - which once had a huge Jewish Community. The Blacks used terror to ethnically cleanse the Jews. One Rabbi got acid thrown in his face.

Yes, I did insult you first, Vlad. I saw your dumb-ass coming a mile away and beat you to it. Now I own you. And you still can't resist trying to get me to respond to your self-referential contradictions, unlike everyone else who tries to argue against the absurd mental flatulence you release unto this blog. Notice the content of your thoughts never garner my attention, yet calling your weak self-esteem to account is quite easy. SUCKER.

Vlad, you--the slave-master--becomes the slave. Back to the locked cellar you go as last resort meat, for if and when the Apocalypse comes, I'll remove your empty head and flay you specially for the fire pit. Maybe instead I'll offer you to a hungrier Mexican or black family in need. But I'll have to lie and tell them it's dog meat, so they'll accept you.

ABSALOM

Hubris: A Black Woman on TVs talking about taking care of her elderly Mother - "It's a Black Thing". The Jews for Jesus pamphlet at Christmas, "Giving presents is a very Jewish thing". As if Whites never take care of their parents or didn't give presents until they became Christians. Karma? Sure Whites have some of this coming to them. But to the point where we are annihalated? Sorry gang but no.

Sick. Sicker. Sickest. You make my point about the Left being the nastiest of all. Thank you Scumbag. I may not defeat you, true. But Reality will.

Lovely. Sports really bring out the best in us, don't they? Hey but it's worth it: a couple of thousand thugs who would otherwise be on the street or in prison get to make millions each. It only costs hundred of billions of dollars from the hapless fan/dupes who support all this.

Settle down, Vlad. I think you're having a keyboard tantrum.

"You have hated us without cause - and the evil you have done us shall be repaid tenfold."

Who is this 'us' you're talking about, Vlad? I'm pretty sure there are only about 5 or 6 people on the planet that would want to belong to your club, and most of them are in mental institutions.

Threatening people on the internet who you've never met before. Nice work! Stay classy, Vladski.

Sooo, you would prefer a Christian dude?

Methuselah methuselized, "In fact, most of the great evil in the world for the last 100+ years can be directly traced to youz -- youz -- as in, youz, Americans -- as in, youz, the US. "

Oh reallyz...?

I don't think so. American culture is just an extension of Western Culture, and that is several thousand years old. It goes all the way back to ancient Greece and Rome.

Sure, there is a lot of evil in the world. A lot of Americans are evil. But so are a lot of non-Americans.

Who is evil? I just read in the paper, a survey concluding that, in the US, 1 in 5 women have been raped or suffered attempted rape. If each woman was assaulted by a unique man, it means 20% are functionally evil.

But what is evil? Evil is pernicious, and pervasive. A lot- a large proportion- of people walk around with guilt-laden souls, dark pasts, submerged memories, complicities, barely concealed mortal aggressions. And of course, a great many people are not troubled by their past and have rationalized it away. And then some proportion are simply psychopaths, who are untroubled generally.

Thousands of years of God-belief has not washed away the sins of aggression, immorality, unethical action, etc. and so on. Many religious people stand up and point to their bloody idols as necessary to cleanse the world of evil. Humanism is a mere babe of a philosophy in the arc of history.

And yet, to me, religion, with its brainwashing of children, its apologia for everyone, and cartoon worldview, on the whole perpetrates the most damage, if not the most evil. Islam and Buddhism, no different from Christianity. Stupidity is a kind of evil.

Is America more evil than China? Ha. Good question. Putin's Russia? How about Bhreszev's Russia? Jolly Olde England? The current regimes all over Africa? The warring tribes of precolonial America? Or how about the transcendentalists who have turned the Indian subcontinent into an overpopulated dustbowl where people use their bare hands to wipe their asses? To me, the great evil of our age is the evils of ages past, dragged into the bright light of day (knowledge). Prejudices and pretensions of supernatural reality intrude. The world is changing but people generally don't. They are stuck with the misinformation and false premises, the poison memes which stick in the mind like a splinter.

Ideallly, we'd get rid of these poisons in a generation, but you have institutional schooling which is a great leveler of the human spirit, a smothering blanket of creosote. Inside America's fractionating families (if they exist) sit the innocent victimization of children, from the TV, but especially their parents, who thoughtlessly work on destroying individuality and instilling whatever self-gratifying worldview or ethos, no matter how absurd.

The search for a great, massive target with which to pin the tail on the donkey is fraught with absurdity. It's like going down to the bar at closing night to try and find out who the biggest slut is. America is world's biggest slut, right next to China, no question. But the world is filled with American/Chinese ideological actors. Every podunk country has a temple of Mammon, with its striving self-interest mavens selling people shit they don't need.

And women, the world's consumption engines, the baby factories... driving the populations which drive the cars which drive the consumptive urge and drive the ecological damage. We all bow in deference to Woman, that blind, lugubrius spirits whose qualities we dare not criticize. Mother did her job well, and we consider her blameless, don't we. Wherever they are in the world, Women and their outsize, always growing needs are pushing their way into the shops and stores, always buying, always consuming, externalities be damned.

Vice is more affordable as GDP goes up, and the GDP is growing all over the world.

He crows in Victory even as he defeats and humiliates himself talking about cannibalism. I love it. Oh Vlad, you've done it again. Chock up another one for the Red Baron, the Man with an Iron Hand, Von Richtofen.

No problem with Absalom's Cannibalism though. Turk you're shit, just shit.

Karma is the governing LAW.
So what was your point?

That's right. We're actually going to have a Baby Barbecue this afternoon.

Don't mistake yourself as human, Vlad. A redundant pile of protoplasm, yes. So it can't be cannibalism.

Feel free to continue talking to yourself in the cellar, now. I'll get back to you post-Apocalypse. Silence from me to you in the meantime.

ABSALOM

Bustin, the rape stats are inflated - just like our currency. Women exaggerate. Women lie. Women would like to be able to point to a man who looked at her cleavage (he couldn't help it - why is she showing it?) and get him locked up) These stats are based on a fraudlent study which identified women as "raped" who didn't even consider themsleves such.

Met is right that English could benefit from a plural 2nd person though.

BJ, so much words, so much denial. Allow me to deliver you out of Egypt. :)

Now, if you look at the great events and the great threads of the 20th century, these include:

- WWI
- Bolshevism
- Hitlerism
- Corporatism
- WWII
- The Holocaust
- Eugenic Racism
- The UN
- Yankee imperialism/Globalization
- Resurgent Jihadism
- The Auto Culture
- Suburbanism
- WWIII


All of these were spawned and sponsored by the US elite. Do you want to go over these point by point?

No Equality then. All systems founded upon it are lies that lead to Tyranny. Equal treatment of unequal people is just that. Thus the French Revolution and the Communist Revolutions never had any hope to be anything but that. And America now goes down the same road: I'm the only one or two here who knows that America was never supposed to be a Democracy and that that's just another word for mob rule or rule by those who control the Mob - Tyrants in other words.

The Sages know this. How do you not? The nexus between Eastern Religion and the Left that developed during the 60's is most unfortuanate. There is no relation, no valid one at least. Did Baba believe in Communism? That's what Democracy leads to...that's what liberalism leads to. Move On.com, pushing the envelope, Progressiveism, the Dream - none of these have anything to do with Classic Liberalism - they're stealth Communism. Move on? To where? Always to the Left.

Your politics don't agree with your Spirituality.

"Or don't you believe in IQ at all?"

To be a little more precise, I think you mean whether or not I believe IQ is an accurate measure of intelligence. Forgetting for a moment that it is hard to exactly pin down what is intelligence, I believe that IQ is a decent starting point to get a handle on one's level of intelligence. I'm just not sure that IQ is the end-all and be-all of describing intelligence.

IQ is defined as one's mental age divided by one's chronological age. OK, take a person of a certain age. He is supposed to have knowledge typical of the average person of that age, but suppose the subject person doesn't know as much. That will effect his IQ, right? He'll have a lower IQ than average.

But there's no follow-up. I believe most kids don't get re-tested a year or 2 later. Maybe the person IS a slower learner, but is capable of learning as much as an average IQ person; it just takes him longer to learn; so the person doesn't know as much as a typical 10 year-old when he's 10, but get's the knowlege when he's 12. He'll go through life with the stigma of an 80 IQ, but is really an average intelligence person as far as what it takes to get by in the real world.

And what signifcance do the actual numbers have? By definition, a person who has an IQ of 124 is smarter than a person with a 122 IQ. But how much smarter? From a real-world perspective, will one accomplish more than the other? At what point does the score differential make a difference? 5 points? 10 points? Someone who has a 100 IQ is considered average. If someone has a 95 IQ, is he considered dumb? Does it make a difference between a 95 and a 92? Where do you draw the line? Could someone with a 90 IQ accomplish more than someone with a 100 IQ?

And finally, what value does one place on intelligence? Is an evil genius of 150 IQ more worthy than a sweet, kind person of 90 IQ? Who is more beneficial to the world?

Wage,
My point wasn't that I was confused about why they didn't take care of the people in New Orleans during Katrina, it is that if we're talking about FEMA camps, what do you think would happen?

People would be left to starve on their own was my point.

You swung from the heels and left yourself wide open and I clocked you. You have humiliated yourself and are defeated - like the boxer who is still up but should be down. Cannibalism. Really? You like that stuff? What else? Rape too? Shame.

At least Turkle can be evil in fifteen or twenty words, it usually takes Bustin 20 thousand words to come up with the usual cannibal crap, morality is stupid blah blah. I's all God's fault, blah blah.

Christ I'm glad I never had to read his term papers in school.


Caleb Temple

*YAWN*

Well I can notice a one degree difference in the temperature of my house - but obviously this is a far more complex question. I grant that there is an X factor of creativity. No way to test it - the only test being to actually create. And some of the most creative people can't do this at will - it comes as it will. Some people can - and they work as Ad Men or Journalists.

And many geniuses never amount to anything - ruined by too much pressure early on. And many Mensans aren't creative - but lots of them are the higher bricks in the wall: engineers, scientists, IT, etc. This latter category was all I was talking about. And it is largely devoid of Africans and Hispanics. Kudos to Pat for mentioning that in his last book. He's in his 70's - it's about time he's starts saying what he knows. If he would only drop the "J Bomb" as one writer put it.

There are other forms of creativity. Obviously Blacks are their own men when it comes to music. Certainly someone with an IQ in the 90's could be a genius in this realm - don't know about Classical though. As Yehudi Menuhin said, the genius of Europe is not the genius of the gypsy. He grew up playing with the gypsies who are masters of improvisation - never exactly the same way twice. And then he became a Master of Western Music. Towards the end of his life he wanted to improvise again. Blacks are more in the improvisational mode.

The old school of Psychometrics called these other forms "gifts" or talents. The new school calls them other intelligences. Same thing. G or general intelligence is what creates and maintains civilizations. Even the Blacks know that what we have is more important what they have- which is why they're so resentful. Only White Liberals don't know or pretend that they don't. Communism fell because it became obviousl nobody believed it - it was just an excuse to terrorize people. Same thing with the equality of man shit we have now here.

OK, I get you. It would be difficult to take care of all those people.

So I'm wondering why they're setting them up!

No Equality then. All systems founded upon it are lies that lead to Tyranny.
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No, all systems based on privilege, as in "some are more equal than others", lead to tyranny. Vlad, you should be very careful with your line of thinking. It wont be long before you yourself will be victimized by it.

You're goin down Snoops and I'm flyin high. Better luck next Christmas.

Ok, then let the Palestinians come home. No? Then shut up.

But you're a Zionist Jew. You're a racial supremacist. What business do you have pointing this failing out in others?

Before you criticize, it would be beneficial for you to learn what constitutes a race. To my knowledge, there are only 3 races, with variants among them: Mongoloids, Negroids and Caucasians. At least that was what I was taught in school. I remember Negroids were adapted for the heat, Mongoloids for the cold. It seems these terms now may be politically incorrect.

Jews, on the other hand, are not a race; in fact, Jews are from all 3 races. Therefore, because one is a Zionist, does not make one a racist. Just understand your definitions before you comment.

Vladmeister

You are spewing out your usual bile at quite an impressive rate today! Did the particularly savage rogering you received from your your black boyfriend this morning inspire this feverish activity or are you tripping from an overly large meth pipe hit?

The home of the "palestinians" is in Arabia. Israel is not Arabia.


No, I'm a tribalist and a nationalist. It has nothing to do with racial supremacism.

Mr. or Ms. Kunt: I am a Jew and therefore offended by Mr. Krantz' anti-semitism; I've lambasted him before; he deserves it. However, your postings are crude,juvenile and offensive as well. I know yours is a made-up name meant to mock him, and you may be a regular CFNer operating under a pseudonym. All you are doing by these immature postings is taking the focus away from his prejudices and garnering sympathy for him.

You know not whereof you speak. Therefore you should be silent. Jewish identity "vibrates" between race and religion, whichever is the more advantageous to promote. It doesn't matter to me, though. Identity politics is for idiots, and the constitutionally dishonest. In fact, identity politics makes you dishonest if you weren't before: you gladly embrace certain things, and willingly ignore other things, to serve your false position. Meanwhile, the glad and free find something better to do with the little time they are granted to make something of themselves.

Here's a pretty cool note about Evil from a dude who many of you will really enjoy reading. Since I made a humorous gesture of cannibalism toward the resident whipping boy here earlier, I think it's relevant to offer this article to the other CFNers who like to hold more elevated conversations; and so to pull my own evil mind back out of the gutter. *he-he* Here ya go.

http://www.arachnoid.com/reader_exchanges/on_evil.html

Have fun and feel free to pick it apart, as usual.


ABSALOM

signs of the times:

OUR COUNTRY IS BROKEN -

BECAUSE THE SYSTEM IS FIXED

&

WE GAVE THE RICH TAX BREAKS
SO THEY COULD BUY THINGS-

THEY BOUGHT POLITICIANS

&

real eyes REALIZE real LIES

It is you who is dishonest. There's no racism involved in my identity. There's a tribal familial bond and identity, a common history, culture, language, and a desire to be together and share together. And that's it.

You claim to have no identity affiliation, but that is a lie. You know it, and I know it. And anyone with half a brain can figure you out for what you are. A thoroughly dishonest snake.

"I'm a tribalist and a nationalist."

Who objects to anyone else having the effrontery to promote their tribe and nation.

That makes you a supremacist.

You use a lot of terms that might mean anything. I am sure they all add up in your mind to whatever it is you want, fear, or love. Maybe you or someone you know could share what that is? I do not receive any meaning from what you wrote that I can relate to. Sorry.

Who objects to anyone else having the effrontery to promote their tribe and nation.
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Says you. I don't object to nationalism. What I object to is imperialism and genocide disguised as nationalism. Which is exactly what this fake "palestinian nationalism" is all about.

Put me on the defensive. It won't wash. I don't lie. I have lived an honest life, and paid accordingly.

Then you should rightly object to the genocide of the Palestinians, whether they be citizens of Israel of not. Any Jew who says they object to imperialism, when US imperialism has been so very beneficial to their tribal ends, would, if their objection is to be taken seriously, stick up for those who have been most oppressed by US imperialism: non-Jewish citizens of Israel.

Have you stuck up for these powerless, disenfranchised people, Methuselah?

I do not get too worked up about most of the stuff I read about because none of has affected me directly, yet. I tend to look at all the crazy shit that is happening like it is a movie. But I know that hell is just over the horizon. 2012 is looking like when it might get here.

I will keep posting about Fukushima and any relevant events of interest since nobody is doing it. I can give warnings when to not take long walks, especially in the rain. And when to refrain from vigorous sex because all those extra liters of air you suck in increases the chances of inhaling a hot particle.I think I have found my niche here at CF Nation.

Just above you made several vile assertions that are a complete lie. When corrected, you still have the temerity and insolence to claim that you don't lie. Who are you kidding, Ahmed? I can smell your lying kind from a mile away, even over the internet. EVERYTHING you are is a lie.

Pathetic. What a failure as a man. I'll see if I can dig out my Discourses and start quoting it. I mean, my God man have some dignity.

Dear Bill

(it's Ms. Kunt)

Not quite right, I am an on and off CFN reader but not contributor the Kunt moniker indeed is meant to offend.

I read JHK's musings and then occasionally read the contributions that follow and have done so for the last few years. The same arguments play out on this blog year in and year out.

People like you (and I mean debaters who attempt to argue logically) are drawn into a debate/argument with VK, make reasonably sound and well thought out points to which VK comes back with racist & bigoted tripe, pseudo intellectual and quasi spiritual arguments often in the form of regurgitated quotes from books no doubt taken from the internet, (I doubt he has read more than 5 books in his life.)

There is no debate, its logic versus pig headed ignorance.

You say
"I am a Jew and therefore offended by Mr. Krantz' anti-Semitism"
Well I am offended by his anti humanism, VK is an equal opportunity bigot, Jews get in line for his vitriol behind women, non-whites, liberals, free thinkers etc, I could go on!

You say
"your postings are crude, juvenile and offensive as well"
They are meant to be and mocking as well. It's a bit like a neo Nazi rally, these thugs are not to be drawn into a debate, they are meant to be insulted and told what scumbags they are.

Hitler needed opprobrium heaped on his head and bullet between the eyes fired by a Jew, not rational debate. Debating with brick walls is a little pointless!

So Bill far from garnering sympathy for him I am merely treating him with the contempt he deserves and putting a smile on one or two readers' faces mine included.

You go ahead and keep debating and "focussing attention on his prejudices" and "lambasting him" (brick walls don't feel pain even when pissed upon).

I however will not 'debate' him, I will occasionally deliver a crude offensive insult to this little nasty toad with very small penis.

Then you should rightly object to the genocide of the Palestinians
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What genocide, Ahmed? Be specific. I want numbers, dates, places.

Idiots? We wont be able to maintain Western Culture unless the Whites stay on top - and that includes tolarance for minorities and minority religions. I mean Muslim Policemen are already arresting people for practicing Christianity. They'll come after you atheists and agnostics later.

Some places like Singapore seem to epitomize the proposition ideal - Chinese, Indians, some Whites. But can they maintain it? The birthrate is non-existent. Some things seem to work great for a little while but time is the test. Other things, like the Amish and Mennonites, can survive as long as they are supported. The good ones know that We make their pacificism possible.

The Chinese allow Singapore and Hong Kong to be Capitalist paradises for a time. When that time is over they'll be swallowed up. Hopefully we'll play it smart and let that take Taiwan treaty be damned. I mean the creators of the Treaty didn't envision the corruption and betrayal of Nixon, Clinton, and our big corporations giving them everything under the sun. And what we didn't give them they have spied out of us.

Anyway, a Nation is a much stronger thing than just a bunch of smarties making lotsa money. What could be more fragile than people without any loyalty like these? Jared Taylor has told us why we mustn't go down this route. Vdare's Steve Sailor persists in doing so.

There is only one race and it is the human race.

There are some tribes with members who think they are special. The culture of these tribes is poisonous and has damaged the souls of it's members who know it not. These members are so damaged they seem not to be able to enjoy life unless they believe there are others beneath them inferior and more damaged than themselves.

It is a sad thing for surely these people cannot feel the warmth of the suns rays unless they hate another. But there is hope for them. The folly of needing another to compare oneself to before one can feel the gifts of creation which are freely given to all can be seen for what it is and unlearned.

stick up for those who have been most oppressed by US imperialism
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I am! I'm sticking up for the Israeli people and against the propaganda lies of the imperialists. You see, Ahmed, I know very well who my enemies are, and I understand their duplicitous machinations very well. As I know very well who it is that spawned, who it is that sponsors, and who it is that maintained and maintains these arabs in Israel and what the purpose of such is.

Thanks Bill! Sort of. Now why be offened? You know that at least some of what I say is true? I mean since you people never criticize yourselves (but always us) we have the right to talk back. Or do you like everyting that Hollywood has done? Or the way the Media slants everything towards the Left? Are you an anti-gentile? Not a word? Why isn't it?

How bout that Kunt! Gets off pretending to be a flaming faggot. Hope this doesn't ruin its fun. The whole show Sex and the City was about Gay Men in the form of women. Alot of women love gay men because they're brave enough to have sexual adventures that missy is to proud to do. She wants that ring first! Or to be Loved! Of course, then the poor schmoe doesn't seem so hot. What kind of man would want her? Like Groucho said, I don't want to be part of any Club that would have me as a member.

Vlad

Your anger and bile smacks of overtly repressed homosexuality.
I bet you're sitting on a thick 12 inch latex dildo as you spew your vomit onto this blog!

Just apply a little pressure and they crumble like a sand castle before the oncoming tide. And make no mistake, the tides are ethnicity are surging - the Brown Tides are the biggest of them all. Yet the Libtards only worry about or even "see" the White tide - the one that would save them. Tards.

And he's lovin it! btw, Vlad, I'm da fag, not Ms. Kunt!

And who thinks they are more special than the Jews? Except maybe the Muslims - especially the Arab ones? I hope you're not talking about Whites cuz Whites are obviously the least ethnocentric people of all. I mean what other people would cheer wildly when Bill Clinton told them that they would be a minority by 2050? Can you imagine the East Asians doing that? Or the South Asains? The Blacks? The Latinos? If so, you have lived a very provincial life and haven't gotten around like I have.

You're Cunt and you are very lonely. Women don't deal with it very well. I know you need some cock but this is not the way to go about it.

You are not going to malign me because, in trying to live an honest life, I have rejected the Hebrew sky god and the politically ordered cosmology that comes with it.

I put it to you that anyone who has been honest with themselves and the world rejects Christianity and rejects the dominator matrix of which it is a part.

Christianity did not start out as part of the dominator matrix: indeed, it started out, like Buddhism, as an attempt to counterfeit the tribal bond (in imperialist times), but was quickly co-opted to serve imperialist ends, and so it has remained — and doesn't it strike you as distinctly odd that it has so gladly lent itself to domination despite the Sermon on the Mount?

You are saying, if I read you right, that such rejection opens the gates for usurpers and interlopers to overrun our ancestral lands, because these people, Islamists and the like, are even more callous and lacking in discernment than the well-meaning but naive liberals and their fellow travelers who at the present day dominate politics and permissible discourse.

So? It's no good appealing to me because I know very well what will happen should whites succeed in driving every invader out: whites will go back to treating each other like shit because that's what they've always done and still do, even when their backs are to the wall.

And by the way, fuck you for not supporting the occupy movement.

On the contrary VK

It's you who is lonely. Sitting there in front of your semen stained keyboard raging against the women who ever 'dissed' you and hating the reality of the regular rogering you attract through advertising as a bottom on Craigslist in order to feel at least some human bodily contact.

Get over it VK, now put on that dog collar and chapless leather pants and bend over, your latest rogering partner is on his way up to your apartment!!

I'm outa here over to you :-)

"it'll only cost us around $50 billion to prosecute the war there"

Wow, you seem to have completely missed what the military-industrial complex is all about. It doesn't cost them anything to wage war - it's already budgeted, and charged to the national deficit credit card. Not only that, but they must continue to wage such wars, in order to guarantee similar/more "defense" funding in future years. Get it yet? If they don't *use* it, they *lose* it...

Not only that, but their "no bid cost plus" contracts net them around $200+ billion from that paultry $50 billion seed money (GDP multiplier effect)...

I agree.Ron Paul is thee Only one who can be trusted to at least try and to what he says he is going to do. The rest are just too slippery. Let's give this great American a chance to do fufill his life's work of saving America from the Banking Elite.

You've drunk the Cool Aid. Occupy is funded by Soros just as Fox is by the Koch Bros.

So because Whites aren't perfect we deserve to die? I thought you had more sense.

No, we just don't seem to have it anymore. Can't agree on even the most basic things like survival. Evidently saner Peoples like the Chinese and the Muslims will be competing for the World in the future. Whom the Gods wish to kill they first drive mad. Btw, I was just talking to you not maligning you. Evidently you've been talking to me in your head.

He's not white, Vlad. Don't let Ahmed fool you. And yes, Ron Paul is your best hope. But you need 500 more like him. Who here will be that 1 of the 500? I thought so.

"Isn't it truly bizarre that the American people, who live in the most heavily imprisoned population on the planet, literally cannot imagine the lawbreakers of the elite being prosecuted?"

Yes it is. And until that happens, the lawbrakers will continue to get away with it. Sadly, what usually happens is that things build up to a breaking point, then the population blows up and heads start rolling down the street. But by then its too late, and the whole thing collapses.

And ABSOLOM: Can you please - PLEASE just ignore VK? One time we got every one to ignore him and he went away for awhile. Then came back, and people started to play with him, and now he just wont fucking go away.

So, PLEASE - PLEASE just ignore the gabbering idiot VK, OK? Thanks.

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Whites aren't perfect? I have every reason to hate and fear my fellow whites. Every single injustice that could conceivably have been visited on me has been visited on me at the hands of my fellow whites. And I did not need to join a San Francisco congregation of true believers and be browbeaten into suicide in the Guyana jungle to realize how hateful and dangerous my fellow whites are. All I had to do was be true to myself.

Of course, only a very limited person would let their personal grievances blind them to matters that transcend any human lifetime, so I'll leave them aside, and ask: when exactly in recorded history have whites created a society worth living in?

I reject with contempt your slur against the occupy movement.

Whites aren't perfect? I have every reason to hate and fear my fellow whites. Every single injustice that could conceivably have been visited on me has been visited on me at the hands of my fellow whites. And I did not need to join a San Francisco congregation of true believers and be browbeaten into suicide in the Guyana jungle to realize how hateful and dangerous my fellow whites are. All I had to do was be true to myself.

Of course, only a very limited person would let their personal grievances blind them to matters that transcend any human lifetime, so I'll leave them aside, and ask: when exactly in recorded history have whites created a society worth living in?

I reject with contempt your slur against the occupy movement.

Hola CFNers,

Wondered if anyone gave the dialogue in the article attached to this thread a quick read?

Interested to know your reactions, if any. Also, I at one point thought the author himself was a regular contributor here, but the more I reread some of his work, I realize he would likely find it too boring. I won't say which persona I believed him to be, so I don't give away his cover if he really does contribute, but anyway.

On a side note: It's funny to recognize that most everyone here, self included, gets roped into standing in a circle and pissing in Vlad Krandz's face. AND HE LOVES IT. His infinite golden shower realized. He wins I must say; he wins even for losing. Damn the irony.

Beers!

ABSALOM

VK has taken over this blog for a long time. At one time I told a friend who was very concerned about Peak oil and many of the related issues the JHK addresses, but after a perusal of what was being said she said it wasn't for her. I told her I understood. Out loss, she's a sensitive and wonderful writer.

Beantown Bill why reason with this guy. It will never get anywhere. I often feel sorry for you that you waste so much time trying--all you're doing is capitulating to a nowhere discussion.
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Wage, I was just watching Cenk Uygur on Current TV discussing the pay of some CEO's how they are making 27% more than ever and how they refuse to pay even 2% more in taxes--even when they are such failures they've been asked to leave the company at $975Million to go away. They're not working--gee I wonder whether they collect unemployment insurance!

Oh, BTW a new statistic is that 1 out of every 2 Americans is now at poverty level--Now, isn't that special.

The tea partiers are a real joke. They only hate govt, but don't see the gravitational pull of the huge bucks that have made it so odious.

Iraq is over now on to the next..Private contractors are making billions and what? Getting lobbyists to influence our congress....

Wagelabourer, you say "I firmly believe that part of the motive for the attack on Libya was a US desire to get that gold."

Well I certainly hope the gold was only a *small* part of the motive since 16 tons of gold would pay for only about 3 hours and 37 minutes of the US 2012 mandatory expenditure budget. It doesn't say much for your president's vaunted brilliance.

'I mean what other people would cheer wildly when Bill Clinton told them that they would be a minority by 2050?

Can you imagine the East Asians doing that?
Or the South Asians?
The Blacks?
The Latinos? '

Yes Bill has done what he could to make USA 3rd world.

"Any Jew who says they object to imperialism, when US imperialism has been so very beneficial to their tribal ends, would, if their objection is to be taken seriously, stick up for those who have been most oppressed by US imperialism: non-Jewish citizens of Israel."

Hey, MORON. There are currently 14 Arabs serving in Israel's Knesset. You are free to steer me in the direction of an Arab state allowing Jews to serve in elected positions. Oppressed my ass.

are you OEO?

'The tea partiers are a real joke................'
Gee I saw a picture of a sign at OWS:
A HOME IS A RIGHT

[Yeah Right].

This CFN thread is going every which-a-way this week.

Part of the problem is that we now have three "Vlads," where one was, formerly, considered by most to be more than sufficient.

If imitation is the most sincere form of flattery, Vlad must be scoring some "CFN points," for whateverthehell CFN points are worth.

William of Boston, BTB, is correct that Vlad Kramps is eliciting sympathy, or something??, for the "original" Vlad.

At any rate, none of this has anything much to do with anything, except within the internal "logic" of the CFN thread. I'm just trying to limber up my mind and my fingers for a post or two, later on this evening.

And welcome aboard, James Hansen. Looks like you've come to the right place.

Right on Tobor. But don't worry - they're just posturing. They love their Cappucinos too much to ever go back to the Earth.

Sadly, what usually happens is that things build up to a breaking point, then the population blows up and heads start rolling down the street.

That should not happen here so long as the grocery trucks keep moving. Social change must happen when the people in America realize that only a radical change in the way we live and a radical change in values will keep the game going at all. They have to understand its game over if we don’t start living with the same intelligence we used to dominate the planet. Heads need not roll if people organize from the bottom up as they enlighten themselves to the new realities of life. But to happen this way a lot of work by a lot of smart educated people who can see beyond the desires of the moment and the blindness of their own egos is needed to make basic changes in the way we do American business.

One thing to realize is we don’t need political parties at all. At this point picking our leaders on game shows would work better than what the Republicrats offer. A new movement must rise.

You reject Whites but love the White Movement known as Occupy Wall Street. You are a mystery wrapped up in an enigma - in other words either a woman and/or a Leftist.

And like all Leftists I invite you to leave and live in the Third World.

Me and Mike are friends now. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Jews have always played White against each other - it's easy since we are always fighting anyway.

Martin used to be something of a White Nationalist. No longer. Some people are like that - always changing. The guy who got me into it ultimately became a Neo Con. He was a quarter Jewish and he cares more about them than us.

It's just as well - we don't need anymore "sensitive souls" who can't take the negativity of the world. So instead of dealing with it they block it out. That's where I come in: I don't let them.

You can huff and you can puff but you can't make Blacks any smarter than they are.

I'll jump in on this, even though I wasn't invited; since pussies like you like to throw dirt in people's face without the critical thinking skills or the ass to back it up. I'm gonna put your dichotomous thinking to the test. Let's see if your a game fighter like me, or just another prairie dog.

I don't have a dog in the OWS VS Tea Party debate/fight, but since you singled out a random protest sign stating that "a home is a right", which oddly baffled you, ask yourself this:

You are born to a planet with all the clean air, fresh water, plus all the flora and fauna resources ever needed to feed, shelter and clothe, not only your family, but every other family on the planet right now and possibly indefinitely. So what brilliant logic will you use to convince yourself that you don't have a "right" to a home?

C'mon genius, let's hear it.

ABSALOM

Here's a copy of Mexico's Immigration Policy: http://factreal.wordpress.com/2010/05/08/mexico-vs-united-states-mexican-immigration-laws-are-tougher/

Refreshing in its toughness and practicality. The number of hypocrites is without end.

They're after Sheriff Joe. And check out yesterday's Amren: the Mayor of New Haven is trying to get illegals to be allowed to vote. It's a full court press!

They gave me hell here today and I gave them a bit too. But one of my houses looks like it's going to sell so I'm walking on aire....

Check out this quote by Murray Rothbard I got from Pat's book. It explains the incredible hate that Leftists feel entitled too:

"Anger by the good guys, the accredited victim groups, is designated as "rage", which is somehow noble...On the other hand, anger by designated oppressor groups is not called rage but "resentment": which conjures up evil little figures, envious of their betters, skulking around the edges of the night"

Thus is explained Ozone, Lucan, Hancock, Turkle, Dale, Absalom et al.


You have to pay for it first, genius. Don't try to piss on America and tell us it's raining. Why don't you and Barney go live in Tahiti together as a gay couple? You're the wife.

I stopped believing in Obama way back when I saw who he picked for his cabinet and advisers. As a hardcore political addict,I am familiar with every back stabbing policy and action on his part. I change the channel when I see his face at the same speed as I did for Bush. But I am willing to bet money he will win in 2012, he is pleasing the people and groups that that have the power, he is the chosen one.

It's very simple, Vlad. If you're on the side of truth and decency, I'm your friend and ally. If you're on the side of lies thievery bestiality, then you're my enemy. You have some good personal qualities. Unfortunately, you've been emotionally programmed by the dark side. Sadly, I don't think you'll ever overcome it. Very few, if any, do.

Vlad, I'm actually beginning to respect the fact that you just cannot argue coherently. You are the essence of artificial intelligence, from the article I offered earlier. Your "throw a bunch of shit against the wall and see what sticks" is actually a very valid evolutionary strategy.

Carry on, sir. I welcome the comic relief. I'll throw you a towel every now and again sose ya can dry your face from everyone's urine.

Shake -- drip, drip.

ABSALOM

I am surprised you saw my reply to you, I was sure it got lost in the Vlad.

As for Fema camps: How in the world would all those people be taken care of? We couldn't even do Katrina right--now that's a scary thought. Concentration camps revisited?
-lbendet, concerning FEMA camps for huge disasters

Yeah, Lbend - that concerns me too. And I'm not really sure these camps exist - at least not on the scale and with the sinister overtones that CFN posters tend to ascribe to them.

There always comes a point - and it may be as small as one first responder at a bad accident scene -
or it may be as large as the US Army in Viet Nam -

But there always comes a point where human effort will fail, in the face of situations that are to radical, or too severe -

that's where reliance on one's self, and one's family becomes important. Of course, that's easier for me to say, living in sparsely populated N. Georgia, than it would be if I were living in NYCity, as you are.
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The Republican primary candidates keep interrupting my thoughts tonight - each trying to prove why he does NOT have the honesty and vision to lead this country.

Lot's of good CFN issues, too. I'll try to pick out a good one, later on.

Just a note to say I am now in the global south (with sporadic access to internet) and I'm working on my Plan B, in case you guys are right about collapse. Living without internet access is a blessing for having a life!

Adobe house - check

Year round climate 60 to 80 degrees - check

Abundant rainwater & harvesting system - check

Free tropical fruits for the taking - check

Permacultural vegetable gardens - soon

Friendly, knowledgeable, locals - check

I am about ready, could make the break now if collapse happens, as most of you seem to believe will happen soon, maybe next Tuesday at two. Right now I am enjoying the climate changes between Southwest USA and the tropical global south. Each has its "encantos"

I don't want to impede any of your important CFN discussions about Vlad, or lower the level of your intellectual discourse, so I will be reporting in sporadically ... when I can get to an internet cafe.

I will say with 100% confidence that there are much better places in the third world to live than the USA ... places friendly to "extranjeros," places that direct their national budgets toward public health, public transportation, infrastructure, public education, free personal health care (universal single payer), etc.; places that do not spend a large part of their budgets toward building and maintaining world military superiority. If one day there is a collapse, and I have to leave the immigrant-bashing, racist USA, I won't look back.

Carry on unimpeded, CFNers!

Asoka,

Good for you, man. Sounds like a great experience to have, regardless of whether collapse happens. Enjoy the tropical climate and food. Enjoy the people and the culture. Thank your lucky stars internet access is limited. And continue to read as much as you do. We're none of us ever done learnin'!

Above all, stay safe.

ABSALOM

Well, I guess I can't stop you. so go ahead.

"I will say with 100% confidence that there are much better places in the third world to live than the USA..." -asoka.-

In this, asoka., in what is a rare moment of CFN agreement between you and me - I will absolutely concur 100%. And I will encourage you to encourage all of those 3rd world people, with whom you come in contact - TO STAY HOME, and work for a better day, where they live, now.

Yeah, maybe, but you know what I'm trying to say.

What Country are you in? Don't get cute - just tell us. I may have to escape too - Obama is probably going to sign the Law that makes America part of the battleground in the War on Terror with all Americans as potential terrorists.

"Jim doesn't talk about it much, but the whole concept of suburbia really was about race segregation.
-wage and metuselah, in a self-referential loop-

That may have been a natural outgrowth, but it was not the original purpose of suburbia - certainly not the "whole concept."

And human social stratification is hard-wired in to where we choose to live, and into most other things about us as humans. It's never going to leave us. Consider the racial/demographic housing patterns of the Burroughs of New York - as shown on these maps.
http://www.urbanresearchmaps.org/plurality/blockmaps.htm

Interesting stuff. There will be individual outliers - but large groups of humans are going to elect to live near others of a similar socioeconomic AND racial makeup.

Don't go blaming the suburbs, which certainly deserve blame for many other things - but don't blame the suburbs for a basic human tendency.

Very nicely put. I am definitely not regretting my decision to vote for you.

You epitomize the cruelty and superciliousness of the younger generation particularly on the Left. Imagine how cruel the next generation behind you will be. Luckily America should be over by then - or at least back to hard living which tends to breed virtue.

"Beantown Bill why reason with this guy. It will never get anywhere. I often feel sorry for you that you waste so much time trying--all you're doing is capitulating to a nowhere discussion."

Because I occasionally get the urge.

I saw through him right from the start, but I have to admit, his campaign sounded very lofty, and I hoped my opinion was incorrect. Oh, well.

The only way he'll lose, besides a black swan event occurring, is if the Republicans can get their shit together, which doesn't seem too likely.

Damn straight motherfucker. THAT was the only intelligent thing I've ever seen from you. I can smell the fear in you, Vlad. I have always sensed it. You called me a sheep, long before I ever acknowledged your nonsense. Now you recognize the wolf, bitch. Get back in the cellar. I ain't ready for you, yet. And when I come for you, you'd better hope that I'm a leftist.

ABSALOM

Who or what is OEO? It sounds like a cookie with a letter missing. I'm new here and I'm still waiting to read some brilliant comments that my book club girlfriend always raves about. So far it all sound rather juvenile. What's up with the "Cunt" obsession? Vlad Kunt, York Hunt, etc

There was one great smackdown by Martin Hayes at 7:58 this morning. Apparently he's got it in for a guy named Eleuthero. I missed whatever it was Eleuthero said to prompt it but I wish I could write shit like that.

Well, howdy MissusQueef.

Eleuthero is one of the more articulate voices who frequent this blog. He thoroughly dismantles most of the bad arguments that unfortunately pervade this blog, but, sadly, to his own frustration. Eleuthero tries to avoid chasing the innumerable prairie dogs, who only succeed to obfuscate and refute their own claims sufficiently, let alone hold a fair debate with another. And that's probably where the jackass whose comment you were fascinated by might have a small point. But it's a weak one nonetheless. On the whole, the dude whose post you referred to was merely hand waiving. It was strictly an ad hominem attack on someone who isn't around to defend it.

My view of E, is that he recognizes the inanity and tries to avoid it, but his personal sense of equanimity demands that he right the stage for those of us who really come to learn something new, and pertaining to the themes JHK provides. We all get off track, and less evolved souls like me don't mind juvenile brawls. He (Eleuthero) roots out the evil barking prairie dogs, then sits back and watches as they dig new holes. I bring a shotgun.

So he goes on sabbatical now and again.

MissusQueeeeef, hang out for a spell and Eleuthero might return to pull the coward's arrow out of his ass and place it in his eye.

ABSALOM

oeo= fabian= he of the many bans

I watched the debate tonight. In many ways, Jon Hunstmen - the ex-gov from Utah - is the most articulate and thoughtful candidate. Which is exactly why he barely registers on the GOP buffoon meter. And Rick Perry is now Tim Tebow which no doubt sent a shudder through Bronco Nation.

I am waiting to see if President Obama will use his veto power on some impending legislation. If not, I'm sitting 2012 out.

K-Dog, I have no doubt you are a perfectly fine fellow, someone's favorite uncle no doubt (that's a lefthanded compliment I read somewhere).

And although you are just playin around here at CFN as someone running for president I think you *actually* would love to be president and imagine you'd do "a heckof a job" Brownie.

I must say though, I find lofty political ambitions rather repulsive. By definition I could never vote for anyone who thinks themselves competent to run a country of 300M people. (Similar to Groucho who could never join a club that would have him.) I automatically reject anyone with the chutzpah to *run* for office.

I might get a little excited about what you're trying to do if you talked about shrinking the size and involvement of government in our lives by something like 50% or 75% or 90%.

Thanks Buddy. Here's David Duke's new video against the Zionists. He was arrested shortly after making in East Germany. Free speech? Free World? Iron Curtian - and it's freer on the Eastern Side now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcsCp319xq0

You belong in Africa with you cannibal buddies. You and Dale can have a tea party with pygmy desert.

VK

Enough already!

Off to bed now, dont forget to have a little tug and dont soil the sheets.

Oh by the way your real estate deal fell through!

VK

Antisoak

You took my comment out of context for your own comment, but I was referring to the idea that they say nothing of the graft of the CEOs and bankers who have garnered all the money form themselves and are either outsourcing jobs around the world or insourcing to illegals.

Reports tell us that these bad actors are getting golden parachutes to leave their companies to the tune of $975 million dollars. Just imagine what the ones they want to keep are making. Their worth has gone up 27%, since everyone else has plummeted. --Are these guys really so talented?

There is a huge price we are all paying for this and now the stats tell us that 1 out of every 2 Americans is below the poverty line.

Why doesn't this bother the tea partiers? These guys spend their ill gotten gains to influence lawmaking on Capital Hill to bend the laws so they can never break a law. Give me a break, this system is so broken these guys are living large, having wars fought for their benefit and they won't pay 2% more in taxes. They think they're bigger than the nation state in which they happen to reside. Think they like this country?

Hola Asoka! Hope you find your explorations of So. America 'fruitful'.
There are many expats here that have come to the conclusion that since the USA is heading for Third World status, why not get a jump on things and actually live in a TW country? For one thing, you don't have as far to fall in lifestyles. And you can also get the same cheap Chinese crap here too: Walmart is now in Costa Rica. Oy.....

:(

Phil takes a hard look at one of the more dangerous mirrors in The Hall of Mirrors that reflects the evil of Imperium.

An incisive snippet:
"Let's have a reckoning with reality regarding the nature of the forces coalescing against OWS and other global movements aligned against despotism: Authoritarian personality types detest the sight of freedom; its inherent uncertainties make them damn nervous. By reflex, they have a compulsion to lower a jackboot on its neck."

Too true; know thine enemy. The good German and the good 'Murkin come to be the lovers of their own oppression through alleviation of angst. Thinkin' and deciderin' is hard and leads to some ugly conclusions at times. "Just gimme STABILITY; I don't care who has to suffer for it, as long as I don't have to hear about it or see it."

There's little wonder in how we've gotten in such a pickle of collusion and blindly helped to perpetrate "the worst allocation of resources in human history" [tm JHK]. It has been ALLOWED and nurtured for comfort, ease and peace of mind. (Well, empty-mindedness would be closer to the soiled reflection.)

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29996.htm

Okay, that is all.

Now back to Laddie's Funhouse; a show so repellent that it drives viewers away at speeds rivaling the Bonneville Salt Flats record-makers. (Which is entirely the point, you understand. You're not encouraged to be coming to this site; it's a subversive act unto itself and must be seen to be the home of absurd cranks. This is no accident.)

Sorry, I b'lieve the JHK quote goes more like: "The greatest MIS-allocation of resources in history."

Somebody toss me a Roget's! (heeeey, that just missed my head... ;o)

I must comment that I smell desperation in the air.
Look at the sheer quantity of crap that's being posted here. The minions of darkness, misdirection, obfuscation and blatherskite are becoming nervous as their world begins to fall apart and their rewards diminish. Are the Paymasters becoming more remote and uncommunicative? Well, we must apologize, because they always leave their useful idiots behind as sacrificial goats when making their getaway. It's S.O.P.

See you soon...

LB,
Talk about "out of context"!
This is just too freakin' kewl fer skewl.
Enjoy!

http://www.ashop.ca/news/2011/11/7/montreals-ashop-creates-massive-art-nouveau-inspired-mural.html


Ps.
That may just be a portrait of the Witch of Hebron, rising out of the industrial rubble to bring nature's enchantments back to a despairing world.
(Notice the incorporation of the brickwork in the leg; very canny.)

The "Witch of Hebron" Where is she? I'm in need of a sweet dream. I've got canned goods she'll like.

Hey Zone, glad to see you popped in. I watched the Rise of The Lions OWS doc last night and thought it was a decent piece, but felt that it was a little heavy on the imagery and lofty symbolism. There were some good snippets of interviews with protesters who seemed to have a decent grasp on the issues worth protesting, then, there were folks who we're not so keen and seemed to be succumbing to more of a group-think mentality. Either way, I think during this winter these protesters will only continue to study and familiarize to argue against the detractors. No doubt the opposition forces are doing their homework too; the warm season is gonna be FUN in 2012. I wonder if you've seen the doc and what your thoughts are?

Also, I read the piece you submitted today and found it a bit lukewarm (lofty symbolism). I did appreciate how the author tried to illuminate some of the potential psychological underpinnings regarding the mindset of the pepper-spray-happy police (blind obedience to corporate masters) but it was a thin dissertation I thought; what's more, poetic high mindedness used to characterize an "enemy" isn't enough to help protesters understand how their adversaries think. And I believe "blind" loyalty from these officers can be easily changed: If their paychecks and pensions continue to decline, they will abandon their posts and join rank with the 99%, so any ability of the power Elite to hold power is commensurate to their willingness to adequately pay and sustain their legion of minions. I imagine we'll see government begin to re-incentivize and re-fortify the civilian police force, what say you?

Anyhow, here's an article about The Levels of Human Experience you might find interesting. Perhaps if the OWSers used a format like this to better understand themselves and adversaries, they might know to frame their messages better.

http://www.arachnoid.com/levels/index.html

Finally, you are dead on about the rising level of desperation, at least regarding my own feelings on these issues. I have to drop the macho egoism now and again and realize that I'm starting to find more enemies than friends as this whole debacle draws closer, which I realize is unhealthy. Vlad is lucky the internet provides him and his words some distance from the folks he says them to. But hey, if JHK doesn't see fit to get rid of him, then the inevitable shouldn't be unexpected, nor lamented. It is what it is. I think anybody who believes if you just ignore Vlad and he'll go away is full of shit.

I hope you enjoy the article and continue the conversation.

ABSALOM

It's pronounced Mis-iz-Keesh.

Last night on NBC news, I heard that 1 out of 2 people were at or below the poverty line. Can that be true? That's a pretty hard statistic to believe. Anybody else hear that on the news?