A Christmas Carol 2011


     Slouched in woe beside the Christmas tree, a lot of Americans missed the point of 2011: Santa Claus had already emptied his goodie sack before the night of wonders and miracles arrived and was back at the North Pole checking the balance sheet to see if he could raise a little cash selling some remaining assets off to the Blackstone Group or maybe work a leveraged buyout deal with Kohlberg Kravis Roberts. A few elves would have to join the unemployment line, but they could probably get by on half-rations of food stamps. Or maybe Henry Kravis could feed them reindeer steaks... at a discount, as long as they last.
     It's remarkable how the year's great mega-holiday blowout suspends time and circumstance. I didn't see how the European banks were going to make it to December 25, but then, heading into the shopping frenzy home-stretch, swap lines opened up between the US Federal Reserve  and the European Central Bank and around $600-odd billion in ZIRP loans flowed to over 200 Euro banks. Maybe that will cover the next two weeks of aggregate debt rollovers, and then what? They can't even look forward to President's Day over there - unless we rented out the George Washington and Abe Lincoln brands to them.
     Who is still not impressed with the ability of these central banks, and their owner-operators, to keep re-circulating immense loads of notional money? Alas, every wash-rinse repeat cycle leaves the certificates a little paler and thinner, and it won't be long before they just appear to be blank paper. But rackets as grand and insolent as these would not be possible, except in a culture so estranged from truth that anything goes over without notice. I wonder about that scene around the American Christmas tree, though - the empty space between the floor and the lowest boughs where the gaily-wrapped presents used to appear.
     I reckon it will take a few weeks, perhaps through the whole winter, for a sense of swindle to set in among the rooked. You may notice a pervasive undertone of grumbling in the background - and winter is the right time for that - like the eerie, ominous chords of ice groaning in the darkness on a still night around the frozen lake. But eventually come the tumults and torrents of spring. I suppose what baffles many of us in the ethers of bloggery is the apparent failure of that demographic slice acquainted with thinking to register any objection to the travesties and organized brigandages of these times. At any other time in the life of this republic, such folk with active frontal lobes would have identified arrant criminal activity for what it is. Apparently, the nostrums of Paul Krugman are as powerfully narcotic as the raptures of Nascar.
     I'm afraid events are a little too far gone now. There was some hope that Mr. Obama would restore the rule of law, but he has gone even farther in the opposite direction by disabling even the levers of truth - and in so genial a style that nobody noticed that, either. That thinking demographic slice of the public I averred to must have mortgaged their souls the past three years just to keep on keeping on. Hence, when the truly rooked wake from their zombie sleepwalk, there will be hell to pay for sure. Sometimes an intellectual governor on events no longer even avails, as was the case in the French Revolution. When the lawyers, political theorists, and philosophers got into the act, the blood really flowed.
    Will that happen here, in the months and years ahead? I do think so. We've grown ourselves a toxic aristocracy of privilege and mega-wealth as cheeky (or worse) than the fops and strumpets of Versailles. I confess, I feel a bit lusty for some Grand Guignol action myself. There are stock figures in The New York Observer's weekly  "Shindigger" column who I would enjoy seeing treated after the manner of Vlad III, Prince of Wallachia, the celebrated "impaler." And what better place for it than Zuccotti Park, a much more intimate venue than the agoraphobia-inducing Place de la Concord. You see what happens: in the absence of the rule of law even prudent men turn to the reptile agencies of mind.
     The truly interesting thing about America's romance with our Wild West was that there was always an Unwild East to return to - if you survived adventuring in one piece. Well, first the frontier closed about 100 years ago, and now we wake on Christmas morning to discover that the whole land, from sea to shining sea, has gone feral with rot. Enjoy this nebulous week of suspended animation while it lasts. I'll be back next Monday with the 2012 forecast.
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825 Comments

First!

Thanks James Howard, my Christmas has come true!

Christmas wish, that is...now for the Banksters hung neatly from the lamp posts, like so many bloated Christmas stockings.

what kind of idiot makes a practice of submitting a comment "first" with no other content? get a life.

Not meaning to bum anyone's Christmas celebration out, but rumor has it the military is gearing up for something post-holiday in ME.....Iran?

colorful prose this morning. Even I have been swayed to almost
thinking this game of propping up the debt and currency world
can go on forever. -after all, now that currency is only a construct
and an entry in a digital miasma,.... why not?

We watch as new forms of poverty are categorized every day: the latest in this pantheon is Fuel Poverty, which is particularly daunting at this time of year. Will our feckless Congress return in January from their fatted calves and barrels of mead to slash the remaining few dollars from this “pork barrel” spending? Congress seems to agree that God does indeed hate the poor, who didn’t pick their parents nearly as well as did the Walton heirs, who are worth more collectively than most of the rest of us put together. Of course, not only will the poor always be with us, but there are more us every day. T latest scientific news is that the Bah, Humbug breed is indeed less attuned to human suffering than the 99ers. Practice does make perfect in this, as in all else. Throw another log on the fire and dream of spring gardens to come.

Your predictions of impending doom are tiresome. Now, it's going to hit the fan in the Spring - we'll see.
And I wonder who are the "thinking demographic slice" - probably those who think like you. Well, you thought Mr. Obama was the second coming and we know now how that worked out.
I suggest you start sharpening your knitting needles, Monsieur DeFarge. You will have an honorary seat at the guillotine when the knife starts to fall - what fun!

Christmas-party tomfoolery this year:

"I'm buying a new pickup."

me: "Great! What sort?"

"I think I'll go for the V8 Tundra."

me: "What sort of mileage?"

"I don't care about that. Gas is $2.99 now."

me: "For now...and what IS a dollar, anyway? I mean, what underlies the value? And if it slips...what will happen to that gas price?"

"Uh...Don't know."

And this, from sea to shining sea. Happy Holidays, all.

Well, the suspension of intellectual activity must have been in overdrive recently as the numbers roll in indicating a new record in Holiday spending.

Perhaps the impending doom is not just around the corner, but the downslope of Empire and middle class bliss is well greased with blame to share among most of the participants at the post-WWII American banquet.

Nice to see my neighbors in Costa Rica exchanging tamales, drinking a bit more beer but otherwise going about their seasonal chores and not going deeper into debt chasing the toppling idol of grotesque over-consumption. puebloverde.org

Mentioning the old west reminded me of one cultural feature it manifested which was always condemned in film - the vigilante lynch mob. Yet, as a counterpoint to rule by bullying, thieving oligarchs, it merits rethinking. When justice and the rule of law lie raped, bloodied, and discarded; self-help solutions may emerge.

The continuing dialog [carried over from last week]
On Jared Diamond:

“Diamond opposes classifying human populations into races—except of course as to Jews and non-Jews.
He gave his tacit assent to the proposed Israeli-Zionist policy of defining and classifying Jews and non-Jews on the basis of whether or not they possess “Jewish genes.”
Indeed, notice what Diamond is saying: there are legitimate grounds for investigating how Jews differ genetically from non-Jews. The Israelis need to know who carries “Jewish genes” so as to determine who will be allowed to settle in the Zionist state.
In his 1994 Discover article he says that the classification of humans into races based upon their biological makeup is “destined to follow the Flat Earth into oblivion.”22
Yet, in his 1993 Natural History article he told us that the classification of Jews and non-Jews on the basis of genetic makeup has a bright future in Israel, as it may be used to differentiate between Jews and Gentiles.
In the 2005 edition of Guns, Germs, and Steel, he tells us that dividing up peoples of the earth on the basis of race, such as “blacks” and “whites,” is arbitrary and misleading. Strangely enough, a few sentences later he writes that “recognizing these major [racial] groups is still so useful for understanding history.'


I call it a con!
Poverty = poverty, not 'food insecurity' 'fuel poverty'etc ad nauseum.

"Well, the suspension of intellectual activity must have been in overdrive recently as the numbers roll in indicating a new record in Holiday spending."

All fueled by yet more DEBT, I wonder how many just made the requisite purchases on credit and at the same time probably maxing it all out this year?
The average US consumadroid has at least 6 cards in the wallet/purse, with a "limit" of at least $10k each, and they are all pretty much maxed out by now.

And yes, the Christmas spirit IS different here, but greeting S. Clause with fireworks barrages till midnight is a bit different than back in the old USSA.

But it is beautiful today.
:)

It is like old Mervyn's shop window scratching commercial: "Open...Open...". :)


Happy Boxing Day and a belated Merry Christmas, although it looks like James was asking Santa for Bastille Day to arrive prematurely. In due time, James, in due time. The U.S. does have the opportunity to fix things at the ballot box next year, although I suspect James things we're much too far gone now for that to work.

Speaking of the ballot box, the Republican nominees have been great gifts of comedy. Both Gingrich and Perry failed to make the ballot in the Virginia primary, and Ron Paul is now getting the scrutiny he deserves. Also, the Tea Partiers in Virginia are getting in the way of preparing for climate change and sea level rise by claiming that it's all a UN conspiracy. Really. In the same vein, the Tea Party mayor and City Council of Troy, Michigan, turning down money for a train station/transit center. Looks like the corn pone Fascists really are that incompetent.

Over at Crazy Eddie's Motie News, I've blogged or plan to blog about all the above. Also, like James, I wrote a post about the economy being so bad that Santa needed help, although the version I posted had him getting help from China. My, Santa, you *are* in bad shape!

http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

Sitting here, on a Monday morning with a cup of java, absorbing the last few remaining moments of silence before the family arise from their gift induced coma, makes me think, I kinda like this state of suspended animation. Too bad it only lasts for a week before it's back to the sawmill.
It'll be amusing to see what magic tricks the financal world conjurs up this next year to keep the world from awaking from their self-induced slumber. I suggest we all enjoy these moments while they last.
In keeping with Jim's discussion last week concerning the arrogance of modernity I came across a site that I think is a good example of how to pevert a great idea. "Open source blueprints for civilization" Here you will learn how to build a tractor in only three days! What kind of Erector Set did this guy get for Christmas? I gotta think if I tried to build a tractor in my kitchen the HOA is going to be all over my a$%. And what exactly do I use to fuel this contraption? Potato peels, peanut shells and used beer, maybe processed excrement? Anyone got a site for homebased bio-fuel? The French did it with Gasogene during WW2 so maybe there is a way.
Here's the site for your own amusement, maybe you'll find something of value;

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/marcin_jakubowski.html

While you're checking this out or reading more coherent comments other this one, here is a link to this year's final musical selection. From a Russian born guy who now lives in Israel, for all the garbage going on in the world there is still much to live for, enjoy; and best wishes to all for the New Year!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZVSOTFBaMw

A-Soak,

You've got to actually read the book. Copying and pasting snippets of comments about the book from critics does not your own opinion make. You muddled the context of the remarks, provided no citation or reference and still need to work with the ideas for yourself so you can sound like you have a real point of contention. Carry on the conversation, please. Just make a little bit of sense so someone can follow you.

ABSALOM

Well, it's the day after Christmas and the weather here in Western PA is not pretty. Gas is $3.35/ gallon.......price fixed here by a large chain, money market accounts are paying .10%, and the Senior Citizens are locked on to CNBC watching the status of their 401K.
The gray hairs are starting to get nervous. It looks like they will have trouble this year affording to eat out three times per day and the money they donate to their churches will be in short supply. How will they buy their heaven insurance? But, they are happy.......every doctor office, car dealership, restaurant etc. have a 24 hour broadcast of FOX News playing and the seniors just lock on and spew out the crap they hear. They are proud to display their NRA and their Anti-Obama bumper stickers.
The local Walmart looks like a freak show. The plethora of ear rings, tattos, and land whales dressed in PJ's and tee-shirts is remarkable. Everyone has a cell phones.......walking and looking for the next great message. The welfare cards are being swiped in record numbers.
On the brite side, traffic is starting to increase on local highways by the abundance of Marcellus well drillers with licence plates from the sunny south. The area is starting to look like a giant ground mole inherited Western PA. But, there is joy here for a few lucky land owners........the Marcellus Gas Lease! The few folks who benefit from lease money are shopping for Cadillacs, RV's, and pickup with four wheels in the back. Later they will look into dental care for the remaining tooth they had going into the lease meeting.
The other folks.....those without leases are wondering if their water supply will be safe and if their homes will be worth anything.
I wish the elections and the Republicans would just go away. We have enough with Obama screwing things up. Do we need more of the same?
So we will see what happens in 2012. My neighbor hopes that the Mayan calendar is correct.....

"I don't care about that. Gas is $2.99 now."

To think that's considered cheap gas these days. When the price of unleaded regular passed that mark for the first time in the U.S. in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, that was considered exorbitant. The difference six years and three oil price shocks makes!

This vid is a great contribution, Lenny. This is exactly the type of material I share with the college students I interact with. Open Source technology --Hardware-- is where it's at in a world made by hand. Less reliance and dependence on patent holders. More reliance on self-made engineers. Awesome!

Thanks,
ABSALOM

You're making it sound like the old joke about Pennsylvania being Philadelphia at one end, Pittsburgh at the other end, and Alabama in between is true. Having just driven through the Commonwealth last month, I can tell you that isn't quite true. Alabama doesn't have such tall mountains.

That written, it was interesting seeing the battle among energy supplies being played out on billboards alongside the Pennsylvania Turnpike. Coal and gas received a lot of exposure on multiple signs, while wind and solar only showed up on one billboard each. Looks like the fossil fools have the money to burn on PR!

"But rackets as grand and insolent as these would not be possible, except in a culture so estranged from truth that anything goes over without notice."

The residue from the boom times has to evaporate before notice will be taken. Also, so long as only the "losers" are whining no notice will be taken either. But the day will come and to trot out a cliche the hoofbeats of the four horsemen of the apocalypse must become distinctly audible. The Great Depression was intensified and prolonged by the European banking collapse of 1931, so a repeat performance is in the cards. The more smug members of the middle and upper-middle classes are still clinging to their middlebrow illusions that their blandness and lack of engagement somehow shield them from skid-row, and of course they are not going to believe something until after it has already occurred to them as well. Pretty much any of the dull normal majority who've landed some tidy little sinecure feeding at the public trough will be in for a rude awakening once they realize that marking third graders' homework is not a marketable skill in the future cash world where everyone is an independent contractor. Ditto for careers enforcing laws which needn't actually exist in the coming don't make a fuck libertarian do-it-yourself world of no taxes and no public services. This world will also include burning your own turds like in the army since no taxes equals no sewers with which to convey our turds into the lake from which the drinking water is piped to now shuttered filtration plant. I think everyone will eventually get the point.

I applied for a car loan for a new fuel efficient car this year and I was declined due to a poor credit rating. I found a loan shark organization, which actively participated in the US sub-prime market real estate and they qualified me to buy a gas guzzing 2006 SUV- go figure??

So now that I've traded in my beater for a used gas guzzing SUV, with a usury interest rate,I can see the direction for the future. More of the same until collapse.

Where people,because of declining credit standards,can't get credit to buy fuel efficient new vehicles. I can't see hybrids, electric cars or anything else reducing our gasoline dependance anytime soon.

I received "The KunstlerCast:" book as a Christmas present. What a great gift! I will enjoy hours of delightful reading.

(I already own The Long Emergency, Geography of Nowhere, World Made By Hand, Home From Nowhere).

This year, most of the presents under the tree were books, although puzzles, games of Scrabble and Monopoly (yup, teach 'em young), fabric, several skeins of yarn and sketchbooks/paper for my artist eldest daughter featured in there as well. No Kindles, no IPads, only one computer game (and that at a discount). I did get a drawing projector for my eldest and a lightboard/tracing board for my youngest, both of which technology that could have been built fifty years ago.

Most of these things will be read or used for years - my daughter designs and sews her own clothes, and the paper will no doubt be used heavily there, in addition to selling artwork. She's learned to knit and crochet, to bake and cook, in short, she's learning skills that her grandmothers knew but her mother doesn't.

She's as "connected" as most other kids her age, but when the lights go out and the electronics go off, I'm trying to make damn sure that she can survive on her own. I think that's the greatest gift you can give to your children at this time in the grand cycle.

On my flight to LAX last night I was re-reading "Shock Doctrine" as ATC moved our A320 from one flight level to another, in a desperate attempt to avoid turbulence. I'll let you fill in the blanks of the analogy...

As an addendum to this week's round of Clusterfuck-on-the-go and in-the-making, your comment is in perfect tune with my vision of the future also. (No need for further comment from me; thanks for providing me with a non-thinking day! ;o)

Good point about burning shit when it all goes down. I like the reference about flushing it out into the lake and then bring the water back in via the water treatment plant. Sounds like Toledo and Lake Erie. You can cruise down the Maumee river and go right past the waste treatment plant over in Point Place and bear a little to the right and drop a line for walleye or perch out by the water intake. I won't drink the water in Toledo, cause no one can tell me how many toilets have been flushed up-stream in the head waters of the Maumee River. Or how much Roundup and 2 4 D has ran off the fields along the way. And then there is the little Ottawa River that dumps into it. After is passes the Dura Landfill. This one is so bad that there is no swiming or anyother water sports allowed below the dam up by UT. Yet on any given day you will see people fishing along the banks of either of these water ways.

Storm'n Norman used to refer to Cleveland as "Paris on the Cuyohoga" you can think of Toledo as Can Tho on the Mekong.

And just in time to bring hope and revenue to the area, they are building a Casino over in Rossford,right on the river for your boating pleasure.

Here's a site you can use to check gas prices in the Toledo metro area. It also lets you connect to other cities.

Right now prices are 309 to 349.

http://www.toledogasprices.com/

Happy Motoring !

Problem is, the Feds are prepared with operational FEMA camps nationwide, for which they are advertizing for detention camp guards. Now there is a job with a future. How about a truck load of martial law signs being sent West from Oklahoma recently to show this administration is on top of things, especially with the removal of the Posse Comatatus law in sections 1031 and 1033 of the just-enacted National Defense Reauthorization Act. Welcome to the US version of Nazi Germany.

On Wall Street some are saying there's a 75% chance they’ll be a European-led collapse in the first quarter of 2013 that will make the 2008 debacle look like a dress rehearsal. Grace – Always just in the nick of time!

http://www.Thesisa.org/

Here's a site you can use to check gas prices in the Toledo metro area. It also lets you connect to other cities.

Right now prices are 309 to 349.

http://www.toledogasprices.com/

Happy Motoring !

Thanks....I did read his books!
I think hes a talented writer/self promoter.
Not much of a scientist however!

Have you burned your own shit? Does it burn well? Is it a possible energy source? Smell bad perhaps?

Illusions from the chattering class? You mean like worrying about a Right Wing Christian Takeover during a slow motion Communist Coup?

I guess the questions that should be asked might run along these lines.
1) Where was the main stream media on this ? Rachel, Keith, Chris, billy O', Sean, Rush ?

2) Why was there no real debate in either the House or Senate ? It passed the Senate 93 to 7.

3) And why is this being put in place ?

Scary but just maybe Jesse Ventura isn't full or shit or crazy after all !

Rush just said, "Nascar Fans, like most Americans, are mature, intelligent people who don't like being refered to as "bitter clingers".

Rush's usual combination of lies and truths. Most people, they left or right, are idiots. Nascar probably contains more idiots than other most other groups - but Pro-Wrestling Fans are probably even more stupid. On the other hand, people have every right to hold onto their God and their Guns. And resenting Elitists who mock them for this is perfectly natural.

Vlad, you have your finger right on the pulse of what's going down.

Interesting times ahead fore sure.

As long as the idiot box and other techno-wonder gadgets can provide a constant stream of endorphins to the American brain, all will be well. Rodger Waters might have provided America's epitaph: 'They amused themselves to death'

Contrary to the "Big Bang", Information (Information Relationships) are connecting all of the dots of the Universe with each other, all chunks of matter and events, and in time also all past events are becoming connected, hence are creating a zero space and time difference between two disjoint Chunks of Matter and their corresponding events, hence what Information is doing is a Big Crunch, the Opposite of a Big Bang, the Internet is exactly this connecting all points to each other, any two points in space, any two delimitations, factoids, any issue, any two houses (cars ? persons ? etc.) on earth, any atom on earth is connected to any other, will be connected to any other through a sequential path of connections, thought paths, maybe even a long complex chain, but somehow connected, so zero space and time, the Big Crunch of the Universe into another substrate, the Information Relationship Universe having zero space and zero time (although there still is some relationship with time and space as a large memory of events and information extends in space and time, other strange relationships ? but any information has zero theoretical distance form any possible other).

But maybe Space and Time are simply the resistance the "Laws of Physics" perform for an Information Relationship to transit from a Starting Point to a Target Point, the interdiction, the difficulty (but not necessarily) of going from one information to another according to the laws of physics (but most likely just assigned casually, for no deeper reason): but the Information Machine we are creating is eliminating any possible resistance from Start to Target information, hence is eliminating the "laws of Physics"...

The distance between one configuration of bits from any other configuration can be theoretically zero...

The distance between this configurtion of bits "YWY£/YE/Y/" and this one "RYYTYYTY%%%%%" is ZERO, and those bits can be associated to anything possible (even new Brains), although there is a small spatial distance, but that is just operational not inherent to the information...

AN EGGMAN

As you requested: Indian IQ's. The Ashkenazi IQ seems a bit high in this report - everyone agrees that it is the highest but it is usually found to be around 108. The 115 is their usual verbal score - not their all round IQ.

But the report does show the importance of distinguishing ourselves from South Asian/Arabs who are distinctly inferior to Whites in terms of intelligence. Thus we are White and they are merely Caucasians - our poor brown relations.

Now if White Aryans did invade India and defeat the South Asians - naturally there will be alot of mixed lineages with some still carrying the Aryan IQ's. Also it may be more complicated since the ancient Dravidians may be different from the South Asians. These Black White Men have produced some great Mathematicians and had a Civilization before the Whites came.

Favorite line in this week's contribution:
"But rackets as grand and insolent as these would not be possible, except in a culture so estranged from truth that anything goes over without notice."

"Seek truth with all your heart..."

Absalom,
The prospect of "Open Source technology coupled with personal 3-D media printers is a most intrigueing concept. Perhaps for moderately complex objects, but a tractor or more sophisticated mechanical device, I doubt it. And though I know I need to clean out the garage I know I don't have that much structural steel or many hydraulic pistons laying around. Still "Open Source" disemination of Information / Knowledge along with the requesite means to convey the information, ie. Internet, would seem to be a means to enable limited manufacture on a local basis as we head towards de-globalization. However, the energy problem is certain to haunt us here. 3-D printers still need power and the "media" source material whether recycled plastic, ceramic or biofiber needs to to processed from somewhere, somehow. Fortunately, I'll leave the answer to solving those problems to more nimble minds than this one.
The TED site is a bit of a problem for me when I see the sponsors are a who's who list of multinational companies, but then corporations are people too, right?
Still there seems to be some interesting ideas presented at TED, and who knows who will be inspired to take up the ball and carry it into the endzone. Glad you liked the link, it's all about sharing...

You're spot on about our attitudes towards "losers." The "it can't happen to me" attitude explains an awful lot about American politics. In some ways we have never been a particularly empathetic people, as witnessed by our history with slavery, Jim Crow and most recently our overwhelmingly class- and race-based prison state. It is widely considered almost treasonous to deny that we're the freest country on earth, and yet we have one of the largest per capita prison populations on earth. Our prison state is downright metastatic, but there's practically no political will to deal with it because its victims are, as you say, losers. The same thing is generally true of our policies towards the homeless, although the latter policies are driven less by malice than by indifference.

There is some residual empathy in our culture, but it has been under sustained attack from our politicians and media for two or three decades. The churches trying to revive empathy and the other virtues arising from empathy are fighting an uphill battle not only against CNN, Fox News and our politicians but also against mercenary churches and religious broadcasters. Pat Robertson and Joel Osteen do not encourage anything resembling empathy, but rather malice dressed up as righteousness and greed dressed up as righteousness, respectively. Rick Warren doesn't put much of an emphasis on responsibility to the community, either. Other major religious broadcasters, like SRN and K-Love, get caught up in wedge issue sideshows and the navelgazing sort of praise and worship. Our religious leadership is either too malicious, too mercenary or too distracted to midwife an actual, meaningful spiritual renewal, and our secular leadership doesn't have the moral clarity to do so.

A part of me hopes you're right about the coming libertarian scope of government, because the alternatives are very frightening and dangerous. Post-Soviet Russia is a prime example: the libertarians were widely regarded as mobsters and thieves, which some of them were; Boris Yeltsin was well-meaning but too drunk and disorganized for the job, and so he invited the spook Putin to clean up the mess. No amount of libertarian political correctness is worth a damn when a country's pensioners and soldiers are reduced to eating dog food. Putin's bargain, which held up pretty well until this year, was that the electorate would abandon its demands for open society in exchange for economic stability and less brazen robbery by the powerful.

I fear that the United States does not have the political or moral maturity to weather a transition in the fashion of post-Soviet Poland or the Czech Republic. We have a lot of crazies with guns. If they launch a serious insurrection, as opposed to their usual dilettante militia drills, I have trouble imagining that the Army won't be called in; it has been widely forgotten that the Army and the Marines helped put down an armed insurrection in Los Angeles twenty years ago. If the armed forces aren't organized enough to put down insurrections (say, because there's no way to pay the personnel), we'll be in very dangerous circumstances. There are exceedingly few places in the United States where the local police have the ability and sound judgment to step into a power vacuum without making a total mess of things; alternately, if the cops just go home, the armed civilian crazies most places will almost certainly turn into African-style warlords.

It's a very bad sign that prisons are still being treated as boons to local economies rather than the drains on state and national treasuries that they are. With luck our governments will find ways to triage their prisoners and release the majority who aren't dangerous. So far, only a handful of states have done anything of the sort, and the feds haven't. If the prisons aren't depopulated substantially and intelligently, the default will probably be riots in prisons that are understaffed because the guards are owed back pay (these guys are patently more mercenary in their worldview than our police or military), and likely the mass escape or release not only of the Bernie Madoffs and Rod Blagojeviches but also of stone-cold murderers and rapists.

It worries me that our prison guards seem to have absolutely no discretion, judgment or moral courage in dealing with their charges; they are clearly much worse than our cops in this regard. It would be one thing if they were responsible for guarding a few hundred thousand violent psychopaths, but they're also responsible for guarding well over a million petty criminals who are in the process of becoming hardened in their institutions. If the guards don't come across some common sense and moral courage, we're in serious danger of mayhem in any of our prison towns if payroll can't be met.

Jesse Ventura had it right, but they apparently shut him up. He showed a Fema camp in Southern Indians, where it was surrounded by barbed wire about 12+ feet high, and the top inclined inward, with a rail head ending inside the barbed wire enclosure. The head honcho (?) claimed the camp was a rest area for federal employees and refused to answer further questions and called the police, who escorted Jesse and his crew off the grounds. Not too difficult for the rulers to shut down a program that brings scrutiny to their evil intentions, thus no more of Ventura's interesting and informative show. The VIPR squad for the TSA should scare the hell out of any thinking American. Obama now has his wished for 250,000 person internal security force, aka Brownshirts.

Oops, forgot to Link. Carried away by my eloquence.

http://www.vdare.com/articles/indians-arent-that-intelligent-on-average

"An opportunity to fix things at the ballot box next year" - you've got to be kidding. No matter who gets elected, they are still going to be puppets whose strings are held by the very same puppet masters who are holding the strings now. The time when a change of government representatives can "fix things" is long over. Much more drastic measures are going to be needed for things to be "fixed", if that is even possible at this late date.

Howdy Army, Per your comment: "every doctor office, car dealership, restaurant etc. have a 24 hour broadcast of FOX News playing and the seniors just lock on and spew out the crap they hear. They are proud to display their NRA and their Anti-Obama bumper stickers".

Up here in Appalachia North Fox does not get quite the play you reference and a few of us, Old Assholes, are actually "gasp" liberal. Unfortunately your vision is in the main correct and not constrained to the geriatric set.

I continue to be astounded as to the ease with which the 1% convince half or nearly so of the 99% that maintaining the lifestyle of greed for the 1% is of far greater import than a rational and reasonable distribution of the Earths resources amongst 100% of the Earth's inhabitants.

SNAFU

"swap lines opened up between the US Federal Reserve and the European Central Bank and around $600-odd billion in ZIRP loans flowed to over 200 Euro banks. Maybe that will cover the next two weeks of aggregate debt rollovers, and then what? "

The Fed has infinite amounts of "money". They just add more zeros to a computer account whenever they need more "money". They can keep the worldwide Ponzi scheme going for a quite while. I'd say the decline will be smeared out over several decades. As long as there is some oil, gas, coal, and minerals the economy will sputter along, although not firing on all cylinders.

Hoo boy, a cheery little holiday message there. It's like Scrooge having the same visions night after night........kind of a Dickens meets Groundhog Day.

http://alttransbikes.blogspot.com

We've locked up so many Blacks and Brown Criminals that there isn't anymore room yet they keep coming. At some point it becomes obvious that something else is going on: that the gangs are part of a low level guerrila war. We'll never have peace in this Country now with this amount of ethnic diversity - especially since the two major minority groups hate our guts.

Yes, with some justification, but so what? Are you willing to die or become their slave just "to make it right"? Make what right and for whom? All Liberal Leftists are existentially inauthentic in that they damn the Nation and Heroes that gave them their privledged lifestyle and soap box. They grandly consign other Whites to pay the debt they so cavalierly have taken on. If you don't like America and its History, then you should go elsehwere. Or stay since the Elite intend to make Whites as equally poor as the Blacks and Browns. That means you too though. You Liberal Middle and Upper Middle Class hypocrites aren't getting out of it this time. Let's see you walk your talk. Maybe you'll get to be a butler for some Colored Lesbians or something. Excited?

Note: We tried to make it right but Black Crime and social break down increased since the onset of Civil Rights. And now under Obama the mob attacks have commenced.

Are you saying the loan shark organization only qualifies people to buy certain types of vehicles?

Anybody see the videos from the new Michael Jordan tennis shoe riots? Hoo boy. Answers the question "will crowds of people react with grace, dignity, and cooperation if (when) the food/gas/water gets low?"

What irony, using the CF Nation comments board to market a real-estate development. LOLZ

So far is it from being true that men are naturally equal that no two people can be half an hour together but one acquires an evident superiority over the other. - Samuel Jonson

AMR's "empathy" is just code for denying that this is true. His "let em all out" is the worst kind of left wing social engineering. He is correct that America is finished though - thanks to people like him. We aren't a People anymore - just a rainbow colored mob. His image of the ideal state is a gay pride parade. Well let him and his eat cake - and nothing else.

A-Soak,

Alright signor. If you say you read his work and don't agree, that's fine, I'll take you at your word.

To your point that he may not be much of a scientist I'll have to agree partly here too. The distinction I make, however, is that the scientific method cannot be applied strictly to the study of human beings for obvious ethical reasons. Rigorous scientific studies do not exist in any mainstream studies of human social behavior. We cannot dissect uncle Fred, cannot force little brother to participate in experiments that could be deadly and so on. This is perhaps a good thing I think we'd agree, but your right -- social science is a sketchy undertaking. I share this disdain for social theory and disregard most of the shameless literary snobs who portend to know something about humans based typically on not much more than conjecture or inductive reasoning. But it depends I guess on what one considers "strong" evidence.

On the other hand, we never know what ethical boundaries are being crossed for studying humans across borders, or in remote underground locations, or on military aircraft carriers far out to see. Kind of Spooky, if you ask me. And it wouldn't be new of humans to chop up folks and put'em under a microscope.

Anyhow, one last article from Diamond, if you haven't already stumbled across it. I enjoyed it, but I'm admittedly a "believer." Check it out!

http://www.ditext.com/diamond/mistake.html
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ABSALOM

The Observer, the Information Relationship "Interactor", the Processor, in short, the slab of Matter (Mass Energy that is receiving signals from another "external" slab of Matter (but simply assigned external arbitrarily as there is no external or internal, only Matter self interacting and talking to itself)), decoding signals from other slabs of Matter, and living an experience of life or consciousness or anything else possible (although impossible to really define or pinpoint down or delimit or understand) can be seen as a kind of high frequency circuit that is comparing itself to anything it comes in contact with; everything it interacts with is being compared to itself (the frequency is the heartbeat ? or the memory activation of "who he is" ? "his conscousnesss" ? etc.) so hence the Observer defines the Universe 100 %, is the Universe, defines the "laws of Physics" from the outset, by how it is designed and how it interacts with all that it comes in contact with (but it comes in contact mostly with its own imagination, only with abstract symbols that have evaporated from reality but were created through a pain/pleasure event that created the reality of the symbol, even if indirectly, very indirectly and a very long time ago and through a very long - complex chain of reasons where all of single reasons have been lost forever in an intractable sea of vagueness...)


Oh Vlad, for god's sake, can't you just ONCE spare us from your racist bullshit?

The Govement gave Black Women more money than their husbands could earn. So the Woman kicked them out and stopped marrying in general. As Yellowstone Rangers say, trouble starts where the dumb tourists meet the smart bears. Just so, trouble started when the Welfare Bureacrats met Black Women. White Women are coming right along now too. We need to get all Women on Welfare so that children can be educated by the State and the Family ended.

Lenny wrote:
The prospect of "Open Source technology coupled with personal 3-D media printers is a most intriguing concept. Perhaps for moderately complex objects, but a tractor or more sophisticated mechanical device, I doubt it. And though I know I need to clean out the garage I know I don't have that much structural steel or many hydraulic pistons laying around.
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Agreed, no man is an island of resources: even if you own arable land and a well for irrigation, one day the well will run dry and the farming equipment will break. The question is will fiat paper and corporate patents be the obstacles to replenishing supplies that they are today? If the economy collapses, there will still be a tremendous amount of "stuff" that we'll need for survival left sitting around. The trouble is about agreeing whether to "pool" the resources or act stingy. Big issue indeed.
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Lenny: Still "Open Source" dissemination of Information / Knowledge along with the requisite means to convey the information, ie. Internet, would seem to be a means to enable limited manufacture on a local basis as we head towards de-globalization.
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Simply put, returning to a point in society where people actually possess useful skills is key. Instead of spending a bunch of useless paper to buy an education at the nearest brainwashing station, It'd be nice to get together with your neighbors and teach one another how to build stuff. I used to love working on cars with my uncle. He restored Model A Fords from the ground up, and only ever purchased the mechanical manuals in order to teach himself how to do it. That's nearly unheard of today.
============================================== Lenny: However, the energy problem is certain to haunt us here. 3-D printers still need power and the "media" source material whether recycled plastic, ceramic or bio-fiber needs to to processed from somewhere, somehow. Fortunately, I'll leave the answer to solving those problems to more nimble minds than this one.
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True, in a world made by hand there will be no indefinite solution to our resource allocation strategies, no utopia. We'll always need to refine our methods; a process that requires all people who use energy to "know" something about the scientific method and natural rules. Constant innovation and adaptation = improvement, not perfection. Our present system require entropy and stagnation -- arrested development, repurchase. Right now, we have all the means to generate sufficient amounts of electricity, we just fuk it all up by leaving the means to disseminate it in the hands of the few. The death of us all.
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Lenny: The TED site is a bit of a problem for me when I see the sponsors are a who's who list of multinational companies, but then corporations are people too, right?
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Fuck'em. The desire to capitalize and monopolize the resources of this planet which belong to no one and everyone is the shittiest idea man has ever come up with, and it's time is long past. And by no means does this require a shift to just another -ism. Human survival depends on ever new ideas, not defunct ideologies.
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Lenny: Glad you liked the link, it's all about sharing...
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Careful, man. Some asshat here might consider you a Communist -- a tiny little box to be in.

Thanks again,

ABSALOM

To be blunt you are no moral superior, you are responsible for the liberal welfare state and we decent people might survive our bankster thieves, but you literally cannot outrun a low IQ mob newly equipped with Air Jordans, so thank you for being part of the destructive force that has done its part to ruin America.

And a note to you "nice" white liberals, the gig is up.

For those who want to see shoe riots...
SBPDL.COM
sheesh the way they knock the door off!

'gig is up.'
its JIG, as in Irish Jig.


Well, with the Dow at the upper end of its trading range and the public spending like drunken sailors despite real wages falling like a stone in a pond, the ECRI Weekly Leading Index is saying the same thing it said two months ago ... recession dead ahead.

Poor Mr. Achuthan of ECRI is being laughed at again on Bloomberg TV by the talking heads. He reminded them of their bullishness in April, 2008 when the Dow had regained two-thirds of its fall from December, 2007. The problem with these talking heads isn't just their dumb hubris, it's that after perspicacious guys like Mr. Achuthan prove mega-correct they forget to apologize in the aftermath of their disastrous folly of inaccuracy.

ECRI has never made a recession call that was incorrect and they've never had a false positive. Next year will be a TRUE clusterfuck of a corporate profit recession, renewed consumer credit problems, and, of course, a resumption of reality in Europe.

Naturally, the Jiminy Crickets came out in force at the top of this week's thread to tell JHK that, once again, he's "wrong". No matter that the ONLY "indicator" that's good right now is the Dow. Workforce participation is at a 28-year low, more people are stopping looking for work than are getting jobs by a 3:1 ratio, the Congress can't even agree on a deal to reduce the national debt by 10% over a decade, more financial crooks like Jon Corzine roam as free men while a kid smoking a joint in Kansas does community service, and next year's election, once again, will be dumb against dumber ... or is it corrupt vs. more corrupt ... I lost track.

However, optimists such as Jim's naysayers above, being what they are, will insist that pigs can fly as long as CFN exists. Happy New Year????


E.

This is just a starting point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPPDzErmFLk&feature=related

What ideas would YOU bring to the table?

ABSALOM

Kunstler needs to read the Modern Monetary Theorist economists. MMT notes that all money is "notional." Historically it has not always been commodity-backed. The Greeks pioneered gold-backed money, but English Kings, for one example, marked their debts as notches on hickory sticks. Money arose not as a part of a commodity exchange, but as "I'll owe you one."

This doesn't mean the current shenanigans of financial markets are not crooked. The idea here is to gin up a false crisis about sovereign debt and use it to loot the public realm.

The idea of money as scorekeeping rather than a commodity means we can never run out. Period. That's not to say the Fed (the U.S. central bank) should issue infinite money, but the idea of dollar denominated debt that couldn't be paid back is as silly as the idea of a scorekeeper at a sporting event running out of points.

And the Fed knows this too. It issued $16 - $29 trillion to bail out the Finance, Insurance and Real Estate (FIRE) sector of the economy.

But when grandma's Social Security and Medicare are on the line..."Whoops! We're out of money!"

So the thing to worry about is *not* running out of money (or even "inflation"), it's the transfer of wealth.

Deflation, which is precisely what we're experiencing now with record low bond yields, is also a transfer of wealth from debtors to creditors. Michael Hudson says it's designed to make free public goods into ones with "toll booths" that pay the rentiers. And sure enough, whether it's parking meters in Chicago, or Bolivian public water systems, there are movements afoot to privatize lots of the public realm.

The Greeks, who don't have control over their own currency, are a basket case because they can't devalue their way out of the un-payable debts they have. Their creditors are suggesting mortgages or privatization on the Parthenon, their ports, etc.

Greece is actually not much of a problem. Its economy is the size of Miami, Florida's. The real problems are Spain and Italy, even though Spain actually ran budget surpluses.

Anyway, read Randall Wray, Steve Keen, or Yves Smith about this stuff. Kunstler is great at drama, but if you want substance, the MMT guys are the way to go.

Vlad, you distorted the hell out of what I wrote and put words in my mouth. You've made some sense in the past, but frankly your rhetoric today has proven that you are totally full of shit. Your intellectual dishonesty and purposeful distortion of my arguments has truly become contemptible.

Nowhere did I write that we should "let them all out." I argued that we should triage our prisoners in order to keep the ones who are a clear threat to society and release the ones who aren't. That position does not make me some sort of stooge for every foolish or destructive policy out of the lefty playbook.

For the record, I am not a doctrinaire leftist or Democrat. I'm pretty well disgusted with both major parties and most of the mass media, underwhelmed by the larger third parties, and looking desperately for alternatives that are competent and that have our country's best interests at heart. I've written similar things before, so you have no reason to infer that I'm a left-wing loon, but of course you aggressively project that sort of infantile caricature onto everyone who disagrees with your simplistic racist and ideological glosses.

At the risk of preaching to the choir, a brief housekeeping note for the rest of CFN: If you want to understand my beliefs, thought processes, and so forth, read what I've written. Don't listen to this petulant, turd-hurling buffoon.

Who is still not impressed with the ability of these central banks, and their owner-operators, to keep re-circulating immense loads of notional money?

I dont blame the Central Bankers, at least they are technocrats unlike corrupt politicians. They are managing a decline fairly well despite the crappy hands being steadily dealt to them by corrupt politicians.

I think that the worlds terminal decline would be more sustainable if wealth were distributed more equitably. There are alot of if's and as ole Dandy Don Meredith would say, "If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we’d all have a merry Christmas” The status quo isn't sustainable and can't be in the long run enforced so I expect 2012 to be something different than a linear extrapolation of the past. I expect the U.S. and other developed nations to make every effort to prop up the status quo of linearly extrapolating the status quo indefinitely into the future except that would mean the developing nations would have to stop developing and take the brunt of(inequitable)decline.

Maybe we will get a linear extrapolation of the past several years where consumption of things that are consumed on a daily basis declines in developed countries commensurate with increases in consumption in developing countries? I don't think so.

There is too much inelastic consumption by sacred cows in developed countries and that is where the line is drawn in the sand as far as the declining consumption in developed countries/rising consumption in developing countries dynamic is concerned. The biggest sacred cow being healthcare. 900 military base around the world, 2-3 wars going on at any given time and healthcare costs more annually than that. Without medicare medicaid money, almost every hospital/healthcare institution would have to close their doors. I could go on for hours about healthcare, particularly where "free markets" and other euphemisms are concerned.

So if a managed decline has little elasticity left in developed countries consumption, and btw, focusing on PIIGS consumption while predictable and a drop in the bucket in developed countries consumption ain't gonna cut it, then what will cut it? Developing countries pullback in consumption? A sharp decline in China? What will that accomplish? Chinese (human)energy already accounts for a good chunk of developed countries standard of living. At some point there is no point in China participating at all in the global clusterfuck if it is all give and no take?

My forecast for 2012 biggest stories(yeah right, like this crash is gonna be televised) is in order of relevance not chronological order
1)China
2)U.S. energy production(not what it is purported to be)
3)brief recession followed by rapid reflation(FED and ECB can't openly print and juice markets with oil hovering at $100 a barrel.
4) Gold low 1250 avg 2200 high 3000
5) crude oil low 62 avg 135 high 162

" Slouched in woe beside the Christmas tree, a lot of Americans missed the point of 2011:"

Another point might be made that there will never be a shortage of "woe" lurking around the corner of a person's life. And with so much woe looking entire societies straight in the face one begins to wonder how to derive satisfaction from a life so perilous and uncertain. Certainly money and security helps, but even at that, pancreatic cancer can strike down one of the world's most wealthiest men in the prime of his very celebrated life.

It seems to me fighting the good fight is learning how to live in the moment as best as one can while simultaneously keeping an eye on the horizon. And also allowing the rear view mirror a seat at the table of current consideration when need be. Without waxing too cliche, there's a lot of truth to that old adage that only when fear of death is conquered does living a life become possible. Otherwise, we're always looking over our shoulder or too far out into the horizon for the perilous sand trap that prevents a beautiful swing at life.

Well said Buck Stud. Being aware of threats to your lifestyle, livlihood, and even life, does not mean you cannot enjoy living, family, and friends. Might call it compartmentalizing your existence, but it works. No need to hide, or fear, if you are prepared for any eventuality. Hope everyone is, or getting, prepared.

Buck, great comments! It seems so simple doesn't it? Just live in the now. Animals live their lives that way; I watch my cat do it every day. Unfortunately, humans have this big growth on top of their shoulders called a cerebral cortex. They're too aware of possibility and too aware of past events, thus making living in the now very difficult.

It's important that's why. You see there is a strong direct correlation between IQ and Income. The higher the IQ, the higher the income. Now if you Big Goverment types believed in Meritocracy, then it wouldn't matter nearly as much. Everyone would find their own level as per their abilities. But since you people believe in "equal outcomes" then IQ becomes a salient factor if not Thee salient factor. Why should I have to foot the bill to fund Minorities who don't belong in College? Why should I get my place in a job line bumped because less qualified minorites want the same job? It can't be made equal if they aren't equal. And discrimination against Whites ceases to be a temporary measure and becomes a way of life. We're already there now though many try to pretend otherwise. And pretending that IQ doesn't exist or that it's all do to environment is the Key to keeping the whole scam going - and keeping people like you in the money.

"Tiny Tots with eyes all aglow" - like demons. Did you see the way they tore their presents open while making animals noises? Little Consumer Beasts - already ruined for life perhaps.

There is a strong aspect of relativity in life. As Castro said, when in prison you worry about getting out. Once out, you worry about other things. It's not exactly zero sum but it tends that way in a life passively lived. We must become the Artists of our own selves and ruthlessly chip away at that which obstructs our true image or eidelon. Inside every skinny man there is fat man trying to get out - fat with virtue. The very act of chipping enlarges one.

Today's word: brigandage

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brigand: one who lives by plunder usu. as a member of a band : BANDIT

It's true I took a bit of license of that point - I too favor decriminalization of the substance you like. But in the main, in the spirit, I was correct. Your whole soft male spirit is wrong for the times that are coming. Away with Empathy. Close the border. If you don't live here, don't surf here. Gird up thy loins. Beat your ploughshares into swords, your pruining hooks into spears.

And I did agree with you that we are finished: no longer a people anymore thanks to unlimited immigration by alien peoples - many of whom hate us. As if having the Blacks here wasn't bad enough we went ahead and imported another hostile Nation (Mexico and her Central American Brothers) into midst. Thank Teddy. Needless to say that you approved all that. If I'm wrong, I apologize.

That is an extremely misguided approach. It basically amounts to burring your head in the sand. And contrary to your belief, it will condemn youz to death sooner rather than later.

..burying your head in the sand..

In the spirit of the season, and in trying not to steal JHK's thunder in his next post, I now announce BTB's 2012 predictions, in no particular order:

1. KIm Kardashian finds love again.

2. A new wheat bacterium wipes out 90% of the world's supply, and 700,000,000 people starve to death.

3. Dale, Jr. wins the Indy 500.

4. A Russian oligarch buys the Roman coliseum and moves it to Moscow when the Italian government begins to sell off assets to avoid default. The owner of the London Bridge (now located in Arizona) complains that the auction for the coliseum was rigged.

5. The biggest scandal in the Catholic Church's history ensues when it's discovered that Pope Benedict was born to a Jewish couple who put him up for adoption, and thus gives new meaning to the question, "Is the Pope Catholic?"

6. As the EU tanks, European money flees to American soveriegn bonds, which hit a low of -5%.

7. Iran displays it's 1st atomic bomb; the price of oil hits $220/barrel and the US prepares for a "raid" into Iran to destroy the WMD's.

8. A gigantic methane superbubble from underneath the melting Siberian permafrost pops into the atmosphere and causes a world-wide stink.

9. In August, Nike introduces its new Pocket Rocket line of sneakers which contain a tiny cold fusion reactor that allows the wearer to jump 25' and run the entire length of a basketball court in 1 second. In December, 250 people die at the Mall of America during a riot at the Sports Authority store.

10. Joe Biden is replaced at the democratic convention by ex-pope Benedict, and Obama wins in a landslide over the Romney/Osteen ticket.

It's their plan. Incarcerate or electronically monitor any and all disenters. An amazingly large number of citizens can be placed under electronic surveillance monitoring for such things as marijuana use, spousal abuse, suspicion of fraud, repeat traffic offenders, non-payment of civil fines (parking tickets, etc.)delinquent child support, that it really won't cost much to keep us all under the proverbial thumb of our government and its hired henchmen. It'll save a fortune on 3-squares, a cot, and a roommate type of arrangements at the jails, which are now full to overflowing. Now quietly raise your hands, boys and girls, if you've ever sped through a traffic light (I swear it was yellow, occifer), went over the speed limit, jay-walked, let your car registration/inspection expire. Coming soon to a town near you: severe penalties for not stopping at a traffic light, speeding, petty-theft, jaywalking, which will render the "criminal" unable to pay the fine and be subject to house arrest. Now when these "criminals" get evicted out into the streets, you'll start to see some really interesting things happen. If you look carefully enough, the future I've mapped out is already here. Happy Holidays!

6. As the EU tanks, European money flees to American soveriegn bonds, which hit a low of -5%.
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We're half way there. :D

Great essay in response to my far less impressive comments. I say "libertarian" only because libertarianism fits the no tax revenue paradigm better than totalitarianism, which of course requires far more staffing to run. And your comments regarding heartless religionists is very appropriate, as indeed a prominent feature of Calvinism is the expectation of the faithful that they shall receive their reward first here below, not needing to wait to ascend to heaven. This reminds me of the scene in "Hard Core" where George C. Scott is explaining his Dutch Reformed theology to the fallen woman who belongs to the Church of Venus, the God of Love, by employing the acronym TULIP whose letters stand for Total depravity; Unconditional election; Limited salvation; Irresistable grace; and Perseverance of grace. The mystified pagan porn actress and hooker helping him to find his daughter replied with a stunned "and I thought I was fucked up". Scott was explaining the current overarching mentality of the relilgious right: that not only are they saved but they must be rewarded here and now for their virtue.

No, not yet. But it stands to reason that turds burn better once they've been dried out in a solar oven. There is an incerator toilet which runs on either propane or electricity called Incinolet.

They're currently building a casino on the banks of the Cuyahoga right here in Cleveland. Everyone knows that when there's a rain storm the sewers are overwhelmed and tons of sewage gets dumped into Lake Erie. Likewise in the spring when all the hidden dog turds get washed into the lake by the snow-melt through the storm sewers. And we drink that water! I know the contractor who last renovated the Terminal Tower and he said that he cannot believe that we're still using sewers to handle waste when it could easily be incinerated right at home using incinolet type commodes.

JHK said:

You see what happens: in the absence of the rule of law even prudent men turn to the reptile agencies of mind.

Blood running in the streets is not the way to restore the rule of law. Hanging bankers from the lamp posts is not the way to restore rule of law.

I am offended by the lust for violence, or as JHK says: "for some Grand Guignol action myself."

Violence leads to more violence, not to the re-establishment of rule of law.

The rule of law MUST be achieved through non-violent means.

As Gandhi said: "We must become the change we want to see." I don't think we want to become reptiles. We want to realize all we can as human beings with respect for all sentient beings.

Spaced out the other half of your question: don't know what it smells like. In terms of energy wasted there has to be a great deal of energy stored in human waste since each person eliminates over 400 pounds of fecal matter each year, and the waste-water plants could easily obtain vast amounts of methane gas thereby, which of course could be used for heating municipal buildings or even for generating electricity since natural gas is already used for that purpose. Army combat veterans routinely burned their shit so you'd have to ask someone answering to that description. I was in the navy where we always had flush toilets. After blowing sanitary tanks on a submarine the excess pressure is vented INBOARD and smells like rotten eggs. The tanks could not be blown overboard entirely as that would've left a trail of bubbles for the Russians to discover. In a similar vein our narrow custom made garbage cans were all weighted on the bottom so they'd sink to the sea floor and not be recovered by Russian spy trawlers.

My comments on this weeks CFN article:

Henry Kravis wouldn’t feed unemployed elves any reindeer steaks. Reindeer steaks are reserved for those who serve at his feet. Henry being a wolf prefers the taste of human flesh and likes it best corn fed. Unemployed elves will have to make do with cheese puffs and nachos. The groaning of ice on their frozen lake will get louder as the plastic buys fewer and fewer nachos but the ice will hold as long as the plastic works.
Trying to make people understand how the modern financial system does not serve them is hard to do. Perhaps explaining this rinse and repeat loan cycle as [ $ 600 billion / (US POPULATION) = ] $ 1917.89 for every person in the country might give a hint at the madness.
Truth has always been an elusive thing in any demographic slice but when the allure of a toxic aristocracy of mega-wealth and privilege are the very demigods of those acquainted with thinking then rape of the land by brigands wearing suits should come as no surprise. The fast food education of those acquainted with thinking in America lacks the depth to prevent the destruction of the rule of law. Vigilance and the knowledge that the greatest threats come from within is needed for that. The allure of the fourth wall has made marshmallows of us all; there are no longer souls to sell. They were all consumed long ago.
So now with no frontiers to flee to and the land consumed by rot a last chance to save America appears. This solution is nothing more than the simple truth of telling the truth about ourselves to ourselves but that’s a hard thing to do with the narcotic spectacle feeding on your soul.

Correct. Physical violence in this situation will just play to their hands. Best to just democratically disenfranchise their institutions of power and control through the personal choice of ending all patronage to their institutions.

Black people wont respond with grace and dignity, I think that much is clear.

Another BIG SHOPPING DAY in the mall west of Hartford, Tens of thousands of happy shoppers descending upon the place seeking bargains, not one single parking space available, police brought in to control the traffic and the mob, making this the BEST CHRISTMAS SEASON EVER, with spending up, year over year, at least 6%!!!

--WSP7

One of the things I like most about farming is the winter break. I'm living on the vegetable CSA farm I worked on this year and all of us there are simply kicking around, relaxing, loving the calm that now permeates, and reflecting on the crazy year we just had. Granted, the head farmer is doing it a bit more than me--I continue to work part time at a farm down the road, with animals, which demand perhaps more attention in the winter than the summer. I'm also blogging at a decent clip, now that I have time to think and write. But overall, it's a much more relaxed stretch than the summer.

The nice thing about this time of year when your work actually ties you to the seasons is that you naturally reflect. The longer nights, the colder temps and the relaxed work load allows for and encourages it and you get a chance to think back on what you did during the year in a way you can't while you're doing it. I think this is crucial for figuring out what the hell you're doing with your life and gaining insight into what worked, what went wrong, and in what ways you psychologically and emotionally screwed yourself over.

It seems to me that this lack of a time for reflection amongst the general populace contributes to the inability to see what's going on--and the generally craziness with which people search out distraction and comforting stories. When you work a job that has no ties to the natural cycles of the world and never gives you down time, it's hard to get a handle on your life. You simply need the time to let your mind work through natural thought cycles.

If anything, this is the time of year that can happen for a lot of people. Of course, it proves far too distracting most of the time, laden down with hyper-consumerism, the dealings with family (whether you like it or not) and the many holiday activities that most people experience. But I found even when I worked retail and before I found a new kind of life through farming that right around the new year, I had a chance for some honest reflection. It wasn't anything as good as what I can do now in the winter, but it was helpful.

My point, then, is that I wonder if others have the same experience and if the dawning of 2012 may sink heavy into the collective psyche. Will people take a few moments to look at what is going on in the world around them? Even if they don't get all the underlying realities of it, I think everyone's pretty tapped into the understanding that something is terribly wrong. You just had John Michael Greer on the KunstlerCast--I do wonder if he's right in thinking that a good chunk of the population may start seizing onto the idea of 2012 apocalypse as they try to deal with that understanding of something being awry. Throw that in with the likelihood of financial chaos in the EU, the certainty that it would then have its reverberations here, and a bitter presidential contest and there could be some serious social upheaval this year.

I don't believe in the idea of a 2012 apocalypse, but I wonder how many might get on board as the new year marches on. We'll see what happens. I don't think it's going to be a smooth ride, however it plays out.

Hey Asoka you're in some unnamed Banana Republic reclining on a hammock and eating Mangoes, what do you care what Jim Says?

--WSP7

Meanwhile bombs are popping off in Iraq like cherry bombs on the 4th of July. US forces have been out for only 1 week. No, we haven't heard the last of that place yet.

--WSP7

Lot more Ohioans than I realized on this site. I won't drink the water in Toledo either, but we're from Grand Lake Saint Mary area and you can't let your kids or dogs near the lake water because it will kill them. This is a good time to be a bottled water distributor. We have well water which tastes nasty but is potable. It also keeps my almost white hair blond and has tinted my shower and our underclothes a pale peach, not a color I was trying for.

Gas here is 3.39 per gallon everywhere except Sam's, where it's 3.19. My husband got tools for Christmas and I got a new canner and canning jars which doesn't sound romantic but were just what I wanted.

Christmas was allegedly big in our area, but I can't imagine how. Ohio didn't score at the top of the tax burden index, but don't know why not, except that the study only counted Federal and State, not the School District Income Tax, Village Income Tax, Dog License Fees (Tax, only they won't call it that and you can't deduct fees) the Environmental Tax and River Clean-Up Taxes. I figured out that between all the taxes, including gas tax and sales tax, we pay out right at 70% of our income in taxes, but at least we're working. So many aren't. People around here are scared, and frightened people can do strange things. I don't feel like wishing anyone a Happy New Year, so about wishing you a Bearable New Year that is Survivable??? Consider yourself "Wished"!

In Nigeria a Muslim group is engaging in some interfaith dialogue by blowing up churches on Christmas Eve. I was surprised to see it reported on by some major media companies here. Usually this is the kind of story you have to find out about by listening to BBC. Maybe it was just to egregious to ignore or cover up. Of course if its Christians attacking a Mosque that's front page news, without question.

--WSP7

Nice week's work, JHK. And this is something that's been baffling me lately, too:

"I suppose what baffles many of us in the ethers of bloggery is the apparent failure of that demographic slice acquainted with thinking to register any objection to the travesties and organized brigandages of these times. At any other time in the life of this republic, such folk with active frontal lobes would have identified arrant criminal activity for what it is." -JHK-

Yeah, JHK, I feel your pain. Here we are on one of the most diverse and unregulated "peak everything" websites to be found on the world wide web. There are some deep thinkers to be found here, besides JHK, our host. And, anyone who pays attention, will learn new things, and ways of thinking, on CFN - every week.

Yet - it appears that many of us are just here, hanging out, thinking out loud, and preaching to our own individual choirs.

There IS power in group action. The internet should be ALL about group action. But rarely does anyone HERE suggest a website for group action - of the sort that could make a difference - something on the order of "The JHK for President - Website!"

I'll suggest two websites, both of which need financial support and active volunteers. Because the theme that the US will never stop demanding "OUR SHARE!" of world resources - is the big problem for the Planet. And there is absolutely NO WAY that WE, INSIDE the US will reduce our impact on the planet - without first reducing our population growth rate, which is largely due to LEGAL immigrants, and their first generation children.

NumbersUSA
https://www.numbersusa.com/content/

Federal Association for Immigration Reform
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer
Because human overpopulation is the answer to every question - about a better future.

And the place to start working for change, is where we live, in the United States.

And as always, I wait for any thinking poster to show me where I am wrong.

Without recourse to one of the following as a justification for the CONSEQUENCES:

1. Economic growth always good for the US.
2. Moral platitudes - "we are all immigrants."
3. Ethnic dining and entertainment.

Didya see the news at Yahoo of the 20 something who bought a nearly 100? million dollar apartment.
When she visits NYC she wants a nice place to stay.

Her dads Mafya I guess [Rusky Billionaire].

and Detroit, Casinos for Detroit!

That's good stuff, Bill of Boston.

Here's my favorite:
"5. The biggest scandal in the Catholic Church's history ensues when it's discovered that Pope Benedict was born to a Jewish couple who put him up for adoption, and thus gives new meaning to the question, "Is the Pope Catholic?" -btb-

Did you make that whole post up?
Magnificent stuff!

I care, therefore I post.

My family is involved. That would be the human family.

From the comfort of my hammock, sipping fresh mango juice, I care. It is the human thing to do, at least for me, to want to lessen violence and bloodshed.

What JHK is talking about is summary execution with no due process for bankers who have stolen money electronically.

I do not believe in the death penalty for theft of worthless fiat money.

I received Col. William Brophy's book about the Marlin Firearms Company for Christmas. I've been wanting that book for years but have never seen in listed for less than $125.00, which I figured was too much to pay for a book. My wife got it for $49.00 on Amazon.
How does Amazon do it? Maybe this is one of the reasons Borders went out of business this year.

--WSP7

Apparently, the nostrums of Paul Krugman are as powerfully narcotic as the raptures of Nascar.

That may be true but here is one nostrum that can be sucked up a nostril without harm.

With everything else that has been going on in U.S. politics recently, the G.O.P.’s radical anti-environmental turn hasn’t gotten the attention it deserves.

It is important to know which dogs support the pack and which do not. Any G.O.P. dog won't support the people but a S.C.P. dog will.

k-dog for president.

k-dog the Sustainable Canine Party choice

It seems to me fighting the good fight is learning how to live in the moment as best as one can while simultaneously keeping an eye on the horizon.

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Great comment, Buck Stud. And it works... for everyone. No one need be hanged from the lamp post. We need not give in to base instincts to take out our feelings of frustration on others.

Living well, fully enjoying each moment in the present, is the best revenge.

But rarely does anyone HERE suggest a website for group action - of the sort that could make a difference

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This is just so untrue it is ludicrous. Maybe you are not paying attention if you have not seen positive programs for change being proposed by many posters. You may judge them to not be "realistic" or to not be to your liking, but you cannot say CFNers are not proposing positive action for real change.

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http://www.jillstein.org/
Jill Stein for President

But rarely does anyone HERE

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And before you get on the WSP7 bandwagon of why should I care since I'm not in the USA.

HERE is the planet Earth. Our problems are global. Environmental degradation, peak everything, overpopulation, extreme poverty, nuclear proliferation... these are problems WHICH DO NOT RESPECT NATIONAL BORDERS.

ProCon, you have every right to have your pet issue and to recommend websites.

But I think your harping on immigration into the USA every week, week after week, is a waste of band width.

Our most serious problems related to human survival are not national in nature.

"To be blunt you are no moral superior, you are responsible for the liberal welfare state and we decent people might survive our bankster thieves, but you literally cannot outrun a low IQ mob newly equipped with Air Jordans, so thank you for being part of the destructive force that has done its part to ruin America.

And a note to you "nice" white liberals, the gig is up."

I really don't see the difference between the so-called "liberal welfare state" and the Conservative Military Industrial/Prison welfare state....

Oh, wait a minute, now I see it, instead of the governments money going to help POOR people, it just goes to make rich people wealthier.
Do YOU really see this as a much better use of the PEOPLES money? Transferring it to the corporations and already wealthy?

Thanks CONSERVATIVE, RIGHT-WINGERS for "...being part of the destructive force that has done its part to ruin America." You sure have done a great job of it, and the best part? You have actually convinced stoopid, dumb americans that it was all the Liberals doing.

"And a note to you "nice" white Conservatives, the gig is up."

There, thats better

;)

"Yet - it appears that many of us are just here, hanging out, thinking out loud, and preaching to our own individual choirs."

Yeah, I agree with you. That's why I keep saying for us to stop complaining and start trying to do something about our mess. Maybe the problem is that, after living in a welfare state for so long, we've forgotten how to take action.

BTW, I did make up my prediction list. I have this perverse character trait that in solumn times - as during Christmas and New Year's - I tend to become silly. Life is too short and wildly, wackily weird to be taken too seriously.

"At the risk of preaching to the choir, a brief housekeeping note for the rest of CFN: If you want to understand my beliefs, thought processes, and so forth, read what I've written. Don't listen to this petulant, turd-hurling buffoon." -AMR

To the first: I attempt that.
To the second: I don't.

(I am of the opinion that the laddie spends most of his misbegotten life in "the projection booth", so there's really no need to engage with the 2-dimensional screen.)

OK, heres a forecast with a high probability rate. Since electricity bills have gone up higher than the inflation rate for 5 years in a row, I predict that electricity bills will exceed the inflation rate in 2012.

Wait, what if inflation goes up so fast that utilities can't keep up and weather patterns are moderate? Oh yeah, utilities want to get paid like unionized government(public sector) workers, there is no way they will allow losses. Weather patterns moderate? I predict that weather patterns will not be cycling back to moderate in 2012.

"I dont blame the Central Bankers, at least they are technocrats unlike corrupt politicians. They are managing a decline fairly well despite the crappy hands being steadily dealt to them by corrupt politicians." -scott

Really? (The propaganda must be working as planned. "No banker left behind.")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxaY_mxYflg


Met,

Specifically, why is this approach misguided? And I don't see it as burying one's head in the sand so much as learning how to create and access stability within one's self. When times get really tough and the future appears dire, indeed, when things look to be spinning out of control, I think it is very strategic to be able to "go inside" and slow down one's mind despite external turbulence.

I am not advocating whistling past the graveyard; I am saying the graveyard remains whether we whistle or not. With that in mind, some of the aware will choose to whistle anyway because it's a bummer always being bummed out.

"The Times They Aren't a Changin" (B. Dylan)
I just came back from a little jaunt up I-91 to a belated holiday get together on the Ma/ NH border at my sisters house. I was speeding along in my Hyundai 4 popper with the cruise set at 60 mph. The Sport Utility Monsters loaded with skis and assorted crap were blowing me away at like 80-85 mph. "Gotta get to the hills before the man-made snow melts ya know". I suppose with Global warming they could just cover the slopes with recycled plastic shards and ski all year. Tis the season. Nothing has changed!

Following BTB's lead, here are my top ten predictions for 2012.

1. There will be at least one week next year where Obama and his wife will NOT be on vacation.

2. It will be revealed that Ron Paul is a former Nazi concentration camp guard notoriously known as "Karl the Kraut."

3. Iran will drop a homemade nuclear bomb on Tel Aviv, thereby removing all doubt that the U.S. Press is capable of lying.

4. Kunstler will publish a "positive" blog entry, enumerating all that is good with America.

5. Mexican drug dealers, while burying the dead bodies of rival gang members, will discover the Mayan Calendar for 2013-2112, showing the end of the world is a hundred years away.

6. Unemployment benefits will be extended "to infinity and beyond."

7. Vlad will join the NAACP.

8. The Republican Presidential candidate will nominate Sarah Palin for VP.

9. The World Court will seek war reparations from the Rothschild Family for WWI and WWII, which will be paid in gold bullion from their many hidden vaults.

10. Someone will predict the end of the world.

"Environmental degradation, peak everything, overpopulation, extreme poverty, nuclear proliferation... these are problems WHICH DO NOT RESPECT NATIONAL BORDERS."
-asoka-

I disagree with you asoka., as I may have mentioned once or twice on CFN. The problems may not stop at borders, but the SOLUTIONS TO THESE PROBLEMS ARE LOCAL, REGIONAL, AND THEN NATIONAL - WITHIN THE UNITED STATES!! (especially, for US residents)

To pretend that abolition of border enforcement in the US will make these problems less severe is ludicrous - no, it's worse than ludicrous - it's an EVIL way to avoid personal responsibility, and for YOU to have your high-minded cake while you gobble it down.

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More importantly, for this website, asoka. - your begging and apologizing for high incoming US immigration may be blocking some thoughtful poster from actually THINKING AND RESPONDING WITH HIS OR HER OWN THOUGHTS.

Why should any Politically Correct Liberal Thinker form his own thoughts and type them into this content thread - when asoka.. speaks the PC platform on CFN so effusively - every single week??????

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So again, anyone OTHER than asoka. - want to tell us why the US has to have our current high level of incoming immigration?

No recourse in your arguments to:
1. Economic growth
2. Moral platitudes
3. Ethnic entertainment/dining
-please

So far - only silence, crickets and tumbleweeds on CFN, argue for today's presently liberal immigration quotas -

Speak, ye Politically Correct and Pro-Immigration Voices of CFN and the open internet - SPEAK!

Don't let asoka be the only pro-US-immigration poster on the entire CFN thread, week after week.

We are waiting.

Amazon's overhead is much lower than retailers who rent store space. And Amazon operates on a low, 5 or 6% profit margin. But its days are numbered because one of their main advantages is not having to charge customers a sales tax, unlike physical, retail store chains, as the company is totally internet-driven.

The state of California is either proposing, or has put into law - I don't know which - a state sales tax on internet purchases, which Amazon is vehently opposing.

If the internet sales tax is, or becomes true, it only will be a matter of time before the rest of the states follow suit. Then Amazon's profit margin goes minimal or to zero, unless they raise their prices considerably, and that wipes out any real advantage they have over retail chains.

"The very act of chipping enlarges one."

That's a very interesting comment, or at least on the level of reductive sculpture . Paradoxically, a block of material appears more volumetric the more form is defined via material removal. And that is even more true for those who carve direct, i.e., without pointing up and reproducing a scaled down model in plaster in the manner of Beaux Arts methodology. Look no further than the sculpture of Henry Moore to visually confirm your statement.

"Yeah, I agree with you. That's why I keep saying for us to stop complaining and start trying to do something about our mess."
-btb-

Bill, I'm trying. I keep pointing out what is THE most important US/Global issue, and I keep pointing out a couple of groups that are trying to work on solutions.

You got a more important issue or a better solution, Bill? I'm all eyes, ears, and fingers, here.

Yeah, everbody likes to crack on the Bernankster for all our financial problems. I like Austrian economics as much as anyone, except we don't have free markets or any of the things that Libertarians typically pontificate about. We have centrally planned top down everything, the furthest thing from sound money, "economics as a science" as you can get.

Just look at healthcare, there is at least one hospital everywhere in the U.S. including every rural area. Practically none of which could exist without Fed funding. The tentacles are stretched wide. Our government, or any government couldn't have grown anywhere near it's immense size without a compliant citizenry. Our compliance was our capitulation to social welfare programs specifically SSI.

The problems may not stop at borders, but the SOLUTIONS TO THESE PROBLEMS ARE LOCAL, REGIONAL, AND THEN NATIONAL - WITHIN THE UNITED STATES!! (especially, for US residents)
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WRONG! The fact is that unless the global monetary system is discarded altogether -- NOTHING changes. And yes I realize that lofty idealism is a long shot at best. However, The way all these governments print and launder money is a global disaster with local, regional, and national and global consequences, period. Championing a single issue makes about as much sense as pissing in the wind. You two clowns epitomize the futility of Right VS Left thinking. HOPELESS.

We're way beyond sticking fingers in the damn.

ABSALOM

It's very hard. I think the value of meditation, or at least for me, is the demand for focus and concentration. To be able to continually follow the breath without spacing out or becoming distracted is no easy accomplishment. A very good instructor of meditation asserts that first one must become aware of "the countdown to distraction" before moving beyond the tendency to space out.

It's a very interesting thing to do, allowing oneself the space to monitor the mechanics of spacing out.

Specifically, why is this approach misguided?
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Because it tries to avoid responsibility. And it's a moral cop-out. It also makes the problem(s) more and more "insurmountable", both psychologically and in actual fact.

when fear of death is conquered does living a life become possible
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When fear of death is conquered you become a slovenly sloth.

I keep thinking about a distinction made by Chris Martenson in Unfixable: There's a difference between a problem and a predicament. Problems have solutions. Predicaments have OUTCOMES. We're in a predicament, folks. What, nobody tells the truth here anymore? WE'VE ALREADY JUMPED OFF THE CLIFF. It's time to focus on the landing. Tuck and roll, or belly flop?

If'n 2012 is the year the dollar collapses, nobody knows for sure, the only question worth asking is how our communities will either organize or demolish themselves. Nobody knows the answer to that question either, but yer welcome to speculate.

ABSALOM

If I am reading you right you seem to equate "living in the moment" with shirking responsibility or an unwillingness to look ahead or search the past. I am trying to equate living in the moment with mental clarity, unencumbered by a million and one ego-projections, distortions, and outright denial that clouds the vision. If a person can't live in the here and now with clarity the magicians will steal you blind, nevermind trying to read the past or future.

" When fear of death is conquered you become a slovenly sloth."

That may be true for those living in fear of a retributive God, but in reality far more people are paralyzed by fear. Remove the fear and people start moving...and taking acting.

I understand what you're saying. I also think you've moved the goalposts. Your first "definition" of 'living in the moment' pretty much agreed with my understanding and the general understanding of the term. But you have since revised your "definition". Given your revised "definition", I'm inclined to agree with you, though I can't see how both the original and the revised "definition" can be compatible.

but in reality far more people are paralyzed by fear
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Not me. But I suppose everyone's different. :D

Whether you like technology or not, humans are already obsolete in a system governed by money and made hyper efficient with technology. So is the answer to abandon technology? I have no desire to become Amish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDJ18m6KUW4&feature=related

NEWS..FLASH MOB CHASES DEE TO CENTRAL AMERICA!

Widespreadpanic7...........Ya didnt see my post in last weeks thread on the App that will maybe put most Retail [outside of food n gas] out of business?
It scans barcode in store, then ya order at amazon, from amazon.

Abs, I like Diamonds writing but the one star reviews at Amazon [no plug intended] use critical thinking to rip his thesis to shreds.

Vlad, ya see my post on Jared Diamond and DNA?
ha vlad ya weasel.

PRD asks a very good question - for a "peak everything" blog, like CFN:
"Anybody see the videos from the new Michael Jordan tennis shoe riots? Hoo boy. Answers the question "will crowds of people react with grace, dignity, and cooperation if (when) the food/gas/water gets low?"

And ANYBODY AT ALL - who bothers to read JHK - should give serious thought to the question.

And should give a serious answer for himself, or herself, and for his family. It's an important question. And some of the answers are not, necessarily, at all positive. And MANY, almost all, of these answers do not involve a clear black/white/brown/racial demarcation - for any THINKING person.

However, Vlad has short-circuited the thinking process for us, with a pat, and racist, answer:

"Black people won't respond with grace and dignity, I think that much is clear." -vlad-

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Thus does Vlad, intentionally or unintentionally, BUT more-or-less-single-handedly sidetrack the CFN conversation into divisive racial issues for the week between Christmas and the New Year.

Once. Again? That's unfortunate.

"Championing a single issue makes about as much sense as pissing in the wind. You two clowns epitomize the futility of Right VS Left thinking. HOPELESS."

First, absalom - which two clowns?
Asoka and me? You've got to be kidding.
I've been trying for a year and a half to get asoka. to stop yammering on about immigration and open borders - just for long enough to let somebody else - anybody else - speak his or her mind on CFN.

Beyond that, absalom, do you have a BETTER single issue that would put the United States onto a lower growth trajectory?

For the good of the rest of the world?

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There are 300,000,000 United States residents. If enough of us engaged the political process and started making phone calls and writing letters - then the US immigration quotas would be changed, almost overnight.

But, if we engage to demand that "the global monetary system is discarded altogether," in the words of Absalom -

You're right, abs, that's impossible.

Immigration reduction is a vague possibility.
And the only hope.

Seriously, do you have a better idea, and a way to try to get it implemented.

Seriously? Because I'm ready to start joining, making donations, and writing letters and making phone calls to Those Powers That Be - inside of the United States - where I have a voice, and a small chance to impact policy.

Anything practical, absalom?
The world waits.

ABSALOM,
Thanks for your reasoned, thoughtful and considerate response.
I'm in agreement with you. The answer is about all about having capable and competent people who aren't afraid to get their hands dirty. Where it's not about having the most "stuff" but having the most "us" and being able to give that away while understanding that the process of doing so does not diminish our worth but rather increases it.
All the labeling of the -isms has been manipulated to obscure the darkest side of capitalism. There's a lot of ideas out there that merit consideration and we could certainly improve on what we've currently got at the moment. In the end, our democracy will be stronger for it. Hopefully the new year will see the emergence of a honest dialouge of what we are and where do we want to go. But then I'm an eternal optimist. It wouldn't surprise me to see an "occupy-spring" coming soon near you/us. Could be a more intense version of 1968 - Chicago style.
You know, never a bad idea to do an ammo count, just in case...

As for me maybe the box is getting tighter but I'm pretty good when it comes to spatial concerns and the occasional but necessary mental furniture renovation.
A wiser man than me said; "Your enemy holds the lens by which you are most likey to see your true self, don't be surprised if you don't like what you see." Makes me think, the U.S. has such an enormous military budget we must have a lot of enemies in the world. Maybe for once we need to take a look thru their lens...
I know, the chances of that are slim to zero.

I got to check the link you posted, thanks in advance.

Have a safe New Year, see you on the other side!

Stay Liquid, stay Frosty

A-SOAK wrote:

Abs, I like Diamonds writing but the one star reviews at Amazon [no plug intended] use critical thinking to rip his thesis to shreds.

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What a joke. I had a feeling that's how you made up your mind about the book. Well, for G,G&ST, on Amazon's Hardcover listing, there are over 1,200 customer reviews. The OVERWHELMING majority are favorable and concurrent with emphasis on areas that deserve further inquiry. It's worth mentioning that there are numerable other works out there that improve upon and address the given weaknesses of Diamond's theses.

That you sifted through other peoples criticisms to form your opinion leaves me deeply embarrassed for you, yet ever reassured that this country is WHOLLY fucked. Literacy in the U.S. now means reading what someone else said about a book you never bothered to read, then claiming those opinions as your own. This is why several people on this blog are nothing more than ventriloquist's dummies, allowing any stranger to come along and shove a hand up it's ass so it can mutter a sentence, or type one as it were.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLRQvK2-iqQ

ABSALOM

From the JD paper that you posted, "The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race:"

"At this point it's instructive to recall the common complaint that archaeology is a luxury, concerned with the remote past, and offering no lessons for the present. Archaeologists studying the rise of farming have reconstructed a crucial stage at which we made the worst mistake in human history. Forced to choose between limiting population or trying to increase food production, we chose the latter and ended up with starvation, warfare, and tyranny."
-diamond-

Diamond is correct, absalom. I propose to begin to fix this mistake by reducing population growth in the only place that you and I have ANY CONTROL WHATSOEVER - that being, inside the United States.

If you're not willing to stand with me - you need to explain why.

Lenny, I hear you on the ammo count. What I'm really wondering is: how best to stack dead Liberal and Conservative sandbags 'round my foxhole(they ain't good for nuthin' else), to return fire from whichever direction necessary.

Viva la Revolucion!

ABSALOM


AE said:
Deflation, which is precisely what we're experiencing now with record low bond yields, is also a transfer of wealth from debtors to creditors.
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Actually, what's alarming is that we have NOT had deflation. That's why my I-Bonds have been getting a 3.6% inflation premium on top of their 2-2.5% coupon.

In the back half of this decade when all the walking-dead businesses really ARE dead and when the housing inventory normalizes, the Fed will not be able to sop up all the money chasing fewer and fewer goods and inflation will NOT be benign.

Also, inflation is hurting worse PRECISELY where the common man feels it most: healthcare, food, and energy. Net-net the common man sees no "deflation" at all.

I do not quibble with the idea that money is "notional" and I absolutely agree that as they print more and more and more ... the rich and the crooked are having their best boom years maybe in the last generation.


E.

GEMS FORM THE WEB:
On Jared Daimond:
'Furthermore, while Diamond frequently and gratingly congratulates himself for "exploding racist theories" of history every chance he gets, he constantly injects bits of whimsy which can only be attributed to viewing one ethnic group as being inherently superior/inferior to another. He has said that people in New Guinea are actually more inherently intelligent than Westerners, for example.

Much as the predictors (like Ehrlich) of environmental and demographic collapse have been wrong very nearly 100% of the time, so too has the theory of GD been completely discredited in the eyes of science. There are several books the content of which, at this point, have basically put the theory of GD onto the ash heap of history. The best and most complete deconstruction of this theory is Hanson's book "Carnage and Culture". Hanson very carefully points out that the dominance of one culture cannot be explained by racial differences or diseases or timing of domestication of animals. In his book, Hanson definitively proves that it is culture and certain cultural values, not geography, or racial differences, or foodstuffs, or disease, which determine the success or failure of one civilization pitted against another. His book is the antidote for the poison of Diamond's new age hippy-dippy "desire masquerading as science". '

UK:
[THIS I FIND ALARMING BUT DO NOT BE SURPRISED]:
'I spent 6 months living in the UK in 2011. Even then, I thought their laws were over the top, but so did many of the 20-somethings I met. In the same year, they released the two boys who brutally murdered and sodomized a toddler while arresting a grade schooler for saying ‘stupid paki’ after he was pulled out of a fight with a Pakistani. It always stuck in my mind the juxtaposition of what was criminal. The college kids cringed at the thought of a fellow student being one of those murderers, but they also were extremely careful not to speak out against ‘asylum seekers’ for fear of trouble with the law and school. Their political leaders are completely divorced from mainstream values. “Enoch was Right” should be a street art propaganda theme.

Sadly, this is somewhat present in the US where people are jailed for spanking their kids or ticketed for not wearing a helmet while riding a bike while a rapist or murderer can plea down a crime to get less than 10 years in jail'

[AH THE ANTI FAMILY CAMPAIGN OF THE LIBS...
BUCHANANS WRITTEN ABOUT].
CHEERS

OOPS..I meant 'from' but forms good as well.

'That you sifted through other peoples criticisms to form your opinion leaves me deeply embarrassed for you, yet ever reassured that this country is WHOLLY fucked. Literacy in the U.S. now means reading what someone else said about a book you never bothered to read'
No I read the books.............

The possible intentions of the original Framers of the US Constitution - percolate as important ideas - in the background on CFN, and in many political discussions inside the United
States.

So I'll throw this web article out there, just for the, unusual, perspective that the Founding Fathers were no more perfect than today's politicians. (WHOA, Man - let's be afraid!)
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2011/12/22/did-our-founding-fathers-believe-in-free-markets.aspx
Comments may be very interesting to CFN followers and posters. JHK has been sounding off on economic collapse for several continuous weeks, now. I'm more comfortable with his "believability?," when he's discussing environmental collapse - but maybe that's just me.

Motley Fool is a good counterpoint to CFN. Comments are more moderated there, but not a whole lot more moderated. And the readers/commenters on MF tend to be those who "believe" in the present economic paradigm, as it is found today - or at least those who plan to PROFIT from this paradigm.

I don't comment much on MF. This webspace just has a more productive give-and-take about it to me, for some reason.

Hey Abs,

I wanted to be sure you saw my 9:50 and 10:23 posts.
Sometimes posts cross and things get missed.
Waiting on you.
Vital concepts, you've got to admit.
-p2c-

army, natural gas from the Marcellus Gas formations are our salvation in the USE US of A. We have 150 years left of fossil fuel energy. Fuck Appalachia. I want my MTV!!!

Santa brought me gunsmithing tools and Blacksmithing tools. Plus warm socks for standin' in the barn. I picked them out myself so I was not surprised on Christmas morning.! Bummer! made in the USA also. Sorry Mao!

P2C wrote:

I propose to begin to fix this mistake by reducing population growth in the only place that you and I have ANY CONTROL WHATSOEVER - that being, inside the United States.
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I have a sneaking suspicion world governments think about population CONTROL too, but in more sinister and cynical ways.

There's been a convenient resurgence of manmade super virus talk in the media lately; my paranoid self wondered if maybe it was code speak between TPTB to get ready to disseminate anti-virals to ONLY the people THEY wish to survive.

Joking aside, let’s say I do agree about the need to CONTROL population. Closing the borders is easy, costly, but also simple minded. More to the point, how then do you propose to convince ALL the Michelle Duggars’, Shaquanda Jenkins’, and Lupita Sanchez’s of the world that the vagina ISN’T a stretch limousine full of God’s little miracles? How do you ENFORCE values of birth control, abstinence, and environmentalism on ANY population? Do you accomplish this through National Pride, Totalitarianism, Fascism or ANY of the UGLY siblings? You’ve opened a whole can of worms here, Prog. You need to get outside the box on this one.

There are a host of reasons why people recklessly produce more kids than a finite planet can sustain. These are the most fundamental: to pass on ones’ genes, to cope with scarcity, to feel love. The first (Gene preservation) has to do with innate biological drives of sexual selection (evolution). The second (scarcity) has to do with the idea that there is safety in numbers when acquiring and securing food, as it’s time consuming and labor intensive especially for agrarians. The third (Love) relates to the former two in a world where fear of abandonment and death drives behavior.

Biology is a rich science that teaches humans how they are similar but different to other creatures of instinct. Scarcity is faced with how well humans harness the power of the mind to develop tools to produce subsistence. Love has to do with whether people FEEL that they’ve fulfilled the demands of the former.

Learning tackles the problem of how to overcome our base instincts. Coping with scarcity, for the agrarian society importantly, demands that more laborers be born to acquire subsistence. Love is given by allowing people to develop the most healthful and beneficial ways to fill the previous two self-interests; all of these require a social structure which keeps people connected to the REAL world, not just some opinion or ideal of it.

Experimentation provides understanding of natural forces and biological limits to overcome base instinct. Eliminating scarcity results from resourceful tools powered by reality testing. Love comes when people become self-actualized through this journey.

The only time people are ever ALIVE, SUSTAINED, and have LOVE is when they KNOW how to survive, provide and share. No social theorist has EVER told us how to do this correctly. But every parent who ever taught their kid to build something, maintain it then share it did just this simply complex thing.

Prog, if your proposal is genuine, we’re waiting. I’m willing to join you. “The human family — your family — needs you, and you must be properly trained. You must know how to think.” –Paul Lutus-

http://www.arachnoid.com/levels/index.html

Ab, predicaments do have solutions. The difference between problems and predicaments is a matter of choice. All problems pass in time. If one is unsolvable, it stops being a problem and becomes "just the way it is". A predicament implies a Hobson's choice, where multiple solutions are unpalatable.

Regarding our current issues, they are mostly the result of rapid technological progress; we are approaching the nearly vertical slope in its curve. Such rapid change creates great stressors in any society. I, for one, think it creates great opportunities as well as great dangers. Although the Chinese may not like it, we live in interesting times.

As our civilization's edifices crumble under the pressure and demands of advancing technology, new social structures, mores and interpersonal relationships will be violently borne to replace the old. Hopefully, the survivors of these times will employ and embrace, not abandon, technology.

Um, excuse me but the best indicator of future behavoir is past and present behavior - and Black Behavior has been getting worse for decades. You must have taken a look at the crime stats even if you aren't willing to admit it - shocking aren't they? The whole Civil Rights Establishment - the crown Jewel of American Liberalism is a failure. You aren't willing to talk about that yet or perhaps ever. Nor the IQ reality and their miserable failure in School. You prefer to attack instead.

Perhaps I'd like to talk about other things but I can't until these issues are addressed. Do you realize how unfair you are being to me? And in fact I do sometimes talk about other things - no one picked up on my Contagion post last week. No one has ever probably understood my Existentialist argument when it comes to America and American History - to criticize the very foundations of the American Conquest is to make ones whole life inauthentic as long as you are enjoying the fruits of that conquest. Strikes deep - too deep for most to even want to contemplate.

"America was founded on racism" they bleat. So why are you still here? And show me a place that wasn't. "We are trying to change it from within" they respond. No, you're enjoying a consumer lifestyle and pretending to be a revolutionary. Total bullshit. The Elite got these people pegged. All the pleasures of the System including the moral superiority of being against the System. It's enough to make the Angels weep.

Indians once lived where you live. They didn't want to give up their place. They were made to - and that's why you can live there without having your skulled cleaved in twain by a tomahawk. Still feel guilty? Deal with it. If you could see that much, then you could see the Blacks for what they are. But BS begets BS, Lies ever more Lies. That's why they wanted Public Education - to do to everyone what was done to you.

From Cultural Values? Of course but that answers noting - just regreses the question. Where do the Values come from? From the Environment (Diamond) or from the Genotype (Krandz)?

Golden Retrievers like to retrieve things. They do it naturaly. It's in their genotype. They value it you see because it's what they are.

Blacks are hyper-sexual compared to Whites. They start sex earlier and have more of it. It's cultural they say. Then show me a Black Culture where it isn't so. Sure it's cultural - because it's genetic first. Now Traditional Black Cultures do channel it but their proclivity can still be seen compared to other Traditional Culture of Whites and Asians. It's easier to see when they live in Non Traditional Contexts like America, and they can be compared directly to White and Asian Americans. But the hypersexuality is clearly evident in Haiti, Jamaica, Bahamas, Modern Africa and if one looks carefully - Animist and Muslim Africa as well.

But, But, But - They have more Testosterone than Whites - both the Men and the Women. It would be strange if they weren't more sexual in other words since they are different hormonally.

Bill, you make much sense as usual. But I won't ever forget that presentation from Chris Martenson regarding the exponential, unwieldy, and insoluble set of factors conspiring against our species.

Perhaps your right. Perhaps collapse isn't a predicament. Perhaps entropy can be thwarted, but as much as I believe in optimism, natural history's ruins for every culture, every species ever in existence on this planet provides inescapable foresight. I have no doubt we won't last much longer, certainly not to escape into deep space or some other sci-fi reality. But anything is possible, true?

I like this reality. I have been lucky enough to stumble across the bright people who point out ways to prolong life, human life, but I'm not attached to a single species' survival over another. This is narcissism. One cannot truly be spiritual and believe this way, not that I'm particularly Godly.

Technology to me is not a be all end all, it's merely an extension of nature, which we have been fortunate to be able to harness, however fleeting the idea is. It got us HERE, beyond hunting and gathering, beyond clubbing other monkeys that came to close to the watering hole, and it will likely kill us just the same. I do get it. We got way ahead of ourselves, too big.

Hail the Big Electron!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cjRGee5ipM

A heads up from Tom Tancredo: the Left is pulling out the stops to get Obama reelected. And they may try to effectively overthrow the Republic to do so. How? By letting the illegals vote. Holder wants to make the showing of ID's illegal, a form of ethnic profiling. Why not? It's worked up to now. The evil of this man is beyond all bounds. He must be impeached or whatever the correct word is.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=380533

FALLACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fart Sniffer wrote:

Um, excuse me but the best indicator of future behavoir is past and present behavior
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Vlad, you are the dumbest motherfucker I've never had the offense of meeting; but like Lecter, when things do collapse, my displeasure of you will be gone for the eating. You are the the last resort of food supply. Stay marbled and tender, dumb ass. One day that cellar door will come open and my dogs will be fed.

http://www.propagandacritic.com/articles/lf.extrapolation.html

The other side of the issue: New Guinea is a mountainous land of deep cut valleys. It doesn't make for large Civilizatoins like the once fertile plains of the Middle East but small scale villages (later city states) like Ancient Greece. So the envioroment does play a part of course. (We admit that - the Enviromentalists deny ANY role to genetics). Now Diamond says and I believe correctly, that there is tremendous cultural divesity because of the relative isolation of the tribes and villages. And these different groups may be very similar genetically - near to each other they probably are. So why the big differences? A third opition - the Founder Effect. Small organizations are greatly effected by the qualities of their Founders. So why there may be some overall Quality to New Guinean Life in terms of agriculture and hunting - the differences seem greater because of the smallness of the sample. Neither Environment nor Genetics as we understandand can trace them, can adequately explain it all.

Of course there are micro environments: no two valleys are exactly the same. And no two twins have exactly the same environment - even while still in the womb. Likewise, except for identical twins, closely related people can still vary alot genetically. In any case, in one Valley they adore Women and in the next one over they hate and fear them - and have as little hetero sex as possible. Genetics? Environment? No - someone way back had a bad experience and convinced all the other fellas to swear off of them she devils. This is how Jackie explains me.

Forgive the lengthy double posts but I suddenly felt dissatisfied with the genetics only approach I had taken in the last post. I don't deny environmental factors and Diamond's books are superb in that area. But about New Guinea I think he's wrong as I would be if I stuck to genetics. Perhaps Hansen is best here.

You are sick scum. Get some help. Can't believe you have trouble with what I said about the past predicting the future. Admit it - it's the Black issue not that. You're a Zulu Worshiper.

None of the best biological researchers still maintain the idea that genetics are the sole determinant of behavior. You are outdated and outmatched in every sense of the words. The authority doesn't refute you, but the evidence does.

ABSALOM

From the site:

The tendency to make huge predictions about the future on the basis of a few small facts is a common logical fallacy.

As Stuart Chase points out, "it is easy to see the persuasiveness in this type of argument. By pushing one's case to the limit... one forces the opposition into a weaker position. The whole future is lined up against him. Driven to the defensive, he finds it hard to disprove something which has not yet happened.

Extrapolation is what scientists call such predictions, with the warning that they must be used with caution. A homely illustration is the driver who found three gas stations per mile along a stretch of the Montreal highway in Vermont, and concluded that there must be plenty of gas all the way to the North Pole. You chart two or three points, draw a curve through them, and extend it indefinitely."(Chase, 1952)

This logical sleight of hand often provides the basis for an effective fear-appeal. Consider the following contemporary examples:

If Congress passes legislation limiting the availability of automatic weapons, America will slide down a slippery slope which will ultimately result in the banning of all guns, the destruction of the Constitution, and a totalitarian police state.
If the United States approves NAFTA, the giant sucking sound that we hear will be the sound of thousands of jobs and factories disappearing to Mexico.
The introduction of communication tools such as the Internet will lead to a radical decentralization of government, greater political participation, and a rebirth of community.

When a communicator attempts to convince you that a particular action will lead to disaster or to utopia, it may be helpful to ask the following questions:

Is there enough data to support the speaker's predictions about the future?
Can I think of other ways that things might turn out?
If there are many different ways that things could turn out, why is the speaker painting such an extreme picture?]]

ABSALOM


Is it too late to give everyone a Christmas card?

Needless to say both Tenzin Gyatso and k-dog have issues with this fool.

Can you guess who he is? The tape is old.

k-dog will reward virtue.

Right on k-dog! Ya got my vote, and virtue is a reward in itself.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New one

ABSALOM

We all owe a debt to Old South Africa: as it became clear that a Black takeover was inevitable, they dismantled their nuclear capacity and destroyed any path that would lead back to it. They knew what White Liberals do not -that the Black Africans are utterly unqualified mentally or morally to control such godlike power.

Linked is a beautifully concise delineation of Evolutionary Theory for Ass Hats like Vlad, the Inhaler, who don't know fuck all but the smell of their own shit, and especially for the thoughtful contributors to CFN who haven't the time to read the history of Evolution studies or the vast array of dead end perspectives floating about the bookstores.

http://www.arachnoid.com/evolution/index.html

Vlad is a compendium of bullshit, but so that everyone who accidentally get tricked into giving him a blumpkin now and again stands a chance at NOT agreeing with his bogus opinions, check this piece out.

ABSALOM

No I admit that - YOU ALL are the ones that deny gentics play any role in the mental and cultural life of man. Fools all of you.

Now your just a cry baby.

You've been demolished Vlad, you will never recover that stall, SNOOPS.

OOOOWWWWWNNNNEDDD

ABSALOM, the slave master.

Brief White Nationalist review of the new American version of the movie Girl With a Dragon Tatoo. There's review of the original Swedish movie too. Both are profoudly Left Wing and classics of Anti White Hate - as was the book. Sweden is portrayed as a dangerous misogynistic land where White males are running amok raping and killing women and/or Jews. The "Nazis" are just the worst of a bad breed. In reality, Sweden is a matriarchy where men are 2nd class citizens. There has been a big uptick in violence and rape -virtually all committed by the Muslim Immigrants.

http://www.counter-currents.com/2011/12/the-girl-with-the-dragon-tattoo-the-remake/#more-21840

What's your point? You people "believe" in Evolution but when it comes time to apply to human beings you go limp and forget all about it.

The basics of Darwinism which you claim to believe in: Individuals vary, the variations that foster survival will be passed on to offspring, over time in given environment, groups will form that have similar characteristics, if carried far enough and/or in isolation - sub species will form and in more time/isolation, new species will result. Polar bears emerged from Grizzlies a mere 20,000 years ago. They could probably have viable offspring, but in the wild they probably never would - avoid or kill each other instead.

Now you people can't even get past the first proposition - that individuals vary, when it comes to Humans. Even though you insist that man is just an intelligent animal, you refuse to look at him through Darwin's lens. Afraid you wont find equality? You wont. We've been separate from Blacks for tens of thousands of years. It would be very strange if there weren't some differences. Very strange.

To symbolize the Perfected Man, the Masons use the symbol of the perfectly carved block; Zen uses the symbol of the uncarved block. Both are correct from their point of view. Though Zen takes the higher view, it understands and makes use of the lower.

In any case, the Superior Man is not an instument and it the stones that the Builder rejected that Christ chose to be his corner stones.

"...to register any objection to the travesties and organized brigandages of these times. At any other time in the life of this republic, such folk with active frontal lobes would have identified arrant criminal activity for what it is. Apparently, the nostrums of Paul Krugman are as powerfully narcotic as the raptures of Nascar."

Useful knowledge on that subject is not found at Facebook or in Ann Landers or the Horrorscopes.

"There was some hope that Mr. Obama would restore the rule of law, but he has gone even farther in the opposite direction by disabling even the levers of truth..."

Even the Nascar Nation folks didn't believe that nonsense. And anybody who ever read anything about those who were publicly claimed as "mentors" by Obama should damned well have known better.

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I've been trying for a year and a half to get asoka. to stop yammering on about immigration and open borders - just for long enough to let somebody else - anybody else - speak his or her mind on CFN.

ProCon, I have been responding to your weekly posts on immigration.

I offered to never post again on open borders, if you never again posted on racist organizations like FAIR and NumbersUSA. You declined the offer.

So, you are misrepresenting the facts, as you are falsely claiming that I somehow impede conversation.

Nobody wants to converse with you Procon, and you acknowledge that every time you set up rules to eliminate legitimate arguments (shutting down dialog) and then you proudly state: CRICKETS. SILENCE.

Of course, because you have impeded dialog. You are a resident impediment on CFN.

More bad birds coming home to roost in the Detroit aviary - America's city on the vanguard of complete collapse - inspiring anxiety and hand-wringing across the land that - "we could be next".

A generation and a half ago, Detroit - the 7th wealthiest city in the world - now faces imminent financial collapse either through bankruptcy or an imposed emergency financial manager from the state of Michigan.

Jesse Jackson and senator John Conyers held a press conference this week (from a local church, no less) declaring their instigation of widespread civil disobedience if a "take-over" of the city happens.

Legal wrangling will attempt to avoid complete collapse and chaos, but brinksmanship could take it to the edge. "When you ain't got nuthin', you got - nuthin' to lose" can be claimed by the mayor, city council, state governor and the courts.

What form the civil disobedience may take is anyone's guess. Good intentions and deprivations of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness could put in motion people who have boundless energy to protest the sorry state their once lavishly wealthy city has become - somehow those same people have zero energy and zero leadership to build and upkeep neighborhoods, preferring to let them go the way of their iconic ruin porn train station.

The greatest act of civil disobedience would be to commit personal citizen energy to doing-it-yourself projects - street by street, block by block - things that cost little or no money, but require extreme personal effort to clean up, beautify, make more livable. Too bad they'll never hear that through the 50-inch plasma big-screens they consumed by the thousands on Black Friday in vast retail acts of consuming civil obedience.

"Nothing has changed."

-Ripthunder

You said it, RipT. Truer words have never been spoken.

--WSP7

"Nobody wants to converse with you Procon, and you acknowledge that every time you set up rules to eliminate legitimate arguments (shutting down dialog) and then you proudly state: CRICKETS. SILENCE." -asoka.-

Actually, I do believe absalom is willing to engage over the subject. Also, the KulturCritic has indicated dissatisfaction with my views on reduction of US immigration. I'd like to hear from him as to why. And I believe it is Neon Vincent, or someone with the Coffee Party, who has mentioned several times that HE disagrees with JHK on immigration. Then there is Mila51, who once said immigration into the US should never be curtailed - although she has, so far, never stated her reasons.

Other than those 4 posters and asoka., literally EVERY other CFN poster who has weighed in on the subject of US immigration has been in favor of a reduction. Now - the question is - why don't you let other posters, besides yourself, give reasons* why the US needs high incoming immigration.

Again, maybe we could all learn something.
I'd say any regular CFN threadriders know exactly what you think about immigration into the United States, a..

Let some other people speak their minds.

*reasons - I'll explore this in my next post on this topic. And I'm trying very hard to have an open mind on the subject. That's why I'm interested in pro-immigrant arguments that don't involve growth, moral platitudes, or ethnic entertainment and dining opportunities.

I know that you would share something NEW, if you could think of it, asoka.. - but apparently you can not.

Let someone else try.
The floor is open.


Oh boy oh boy oh boy - JHK is going to post his 2012 predictions! Will there be another prediction of the DOW at 4000 in my stocking this year? will there be unka Jim?

Note: JHK - "DOW at 4000" - actual DOW now brown cow = 12,294 ...not bad Jim - just 8000 or so points off

I'd say any regular CFN threadriders know exactly what you think about immigration into the United States

I would say they also know what you think about immigration.

Please stop posting about it every week.

ethnic entertainment and dining opportunities

This is a racist slur which you repeat regularly as a way to demean and slander. Immigrants contribute much more than ethnic food, but you choose to stupidly characterize the contribution of multiculturalism as restaurants and "entertainment"

If I were Elaine Cho, I would tell what I really think about you Procon, but such language would not be appropriate on CFN.

"A heads up from Tom Tancredo: the Left is pulling out the stops to get Obama reelected."
-vlad-

Vlad, I hate to tell you - Obama is probably going to be reelected, anyway. Look at the bunch of baffoons lining up to try to replace him. And, Holder is a bad actor for sure - nothing he does will surprise me, and just wait until Obama's next term. ugh.

But, we're ALL being played - the right, I think, much worse than the left. Grover Norquist was in the AARP magazine this month saying the Dem/Repub choice was simple - vote Repub because they are the party of smaller government.

Yeah, sure - when BushII and the Repubs gave us two wars and Homeland Security - HAH! Smaller government??? How do liars like this live with themselves? JMGreer addresses it with "thaumaturge." Brainwashing is the more common term - but JMG makes the best explanation I've ever seen.

And there are still people who think Sarah Palin was a great choice for McCain's VP.

Politically - at the national presidential level - we're over and done for and completely brainwashed - no matter who gets elected.

"I would say they also know what you think about immigration." -asoka-

Actually, I'm not yet 100% sure what I think about immigration, MYSELF.

That's why I'd like to hear some new ideas from someone besides you, asoka.. Actually, I'd like to hear NEW ideas from you - if you had any.

But you do not.
You would share them if you did.

Vlad, you say - "and Black Behavior has been getting worse for decades..."

But that was not the question, Vlad.

This was the, original and excellent, question:
"will crowds of people react with grace, dignity, and cooperation if (when) the food/gas/water gets low?" -prd-

My answer is NO. It's well demonstrated that crowds of people deprived of food and water will behave very badly - without regard to "race."

Just don't escalate arguments, Vlad.
Things are bad enough as it is.

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"So again, anyone OTHER than asoka. - want to tell us why the US has to have our current high level of incoming immigration?"

I thought I had answered this before:
1- Its to depress the wage base with legal H1B visa holders. Go to Sillycone valley and see how many hi paying engineering jobs have been filled with the above, while laying off hi-skilled US citizens.
2- Its to fill the low end of the wage base so that US citizens have to "compete" for those jobs.

But the overall goal is to bring down the US wage base. Eventually, you will hear the Republicans talking about legislation to eliminate or reduce the Fed minimum wage, probably to something like under $5/hour (probably under $2) so we can be competitive on the 'world' market. No thought as to how someone making that much is supposed to pay rents, which aren't going down BTW. I guess you are supposed to work 4 jobs a day, 7 days a week? Hope they legalize SPEED tho.

;]

Absalom -

I'm out of time for CFN until late tonight or tomorrow.

Couple of good websites you suggested. I'm going to work up a response or two to you, later on.
And I haven't yet seen you post anything that argues why reducing US immigration (especially legal immigration) is not a good, practical goal, or first step?, into slowing US economic growth - for the good of all mankind.

I'm still waiting for that from you.

Right now, it's looking like your answer will be some version of "civilization/humans are doomed at ANY rate - so why bother even trying to stop incoming immigration into the US." Which to me is a sort of "moral platitude," except that it is masquerading as doomer pessimism.

But I've got an open mind. Talk to us.

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So I'll get back to you. Meanwhile, I've got a question. You're "Johnny Rocket?," aren't you?
I was trying to get you to have a nature/nurture debate months ago - when you dropped out of CFN.

But - yeah - same guy, gotta' be.
Same fascination with flatulence as insult.
HUGE preference for NURTURE over nature.
Same confusion of "your" and "you're."

You've got to be the same guy.
Welcome back to the brawl, man!

"I have no desire to become Amish."

Say, speaking of the Amish, I was browsing the Nook Books recently and came across a whole new genre: Amish-Christian Romance. Wow! Now, I wonder, is there a Amish-Christian Erotic section too? If not, perhaps I can start it!

;)

Good stuff, Dee.
Needed the chuckle.

What is happening in Michigan is the same thing that happened in Greece and Italy - the open replacement of elected officials with bankers.

You are letting your racism interfere with your ability to realize that this open attack on the tattered remmants of our democracy is an outrage.

Detroit is economically devastated because the auto industry moved out, not because black people are lazy. Check out "Roger and Me" for a 20 year old documentary on the beginnings of the exodus, and what it did to people.

Any city that had its main industry shutter its doors becomes a ghost town. That is why they call the Midwest the Rust Belt. You can see examples of ghost towns throughout the west, where ores accessible by individuals were played out.

Some citizens of Detroit are actually turning vacant lots into gardens.

We're all in this together. We have to find a way to feed, house and clothe ourselves, or descend into a civil war.

Dee, on yr 2nd point, Didnt Obambi say 'we need to be competitive with China'?
Well Chinese work for 3$ a day and put in a 16 hour day!

Yes the rich get richer...
I googled 'Soros evil' and look what I got....

'In 1994 Soros crowed in The New Republic, that "the former Soviet Empire is now called the Soros Empire." The Russia-gate scandal in 1999, which almost collapsed the Russian economy, was labeled by Rep. Jim Leach, then head of the House Banking Committee, to be "one of the greatest social robberies in human history. "The "Soros Empire" indeed. In 1997 Soros almost destroyed the economies of Thailand and Malaysia. At the time, Malaysia's Prime Minister, Mahathir Mohammad, called Soros "a villain, and a moron." Thai activist Weng Tojirakarn said, "We regard George Soros as a kind of Dracula. He sucks the blood from the people."

The website Greek National Pride reports, "[Soros] was part of the full court press that dismantled Yugoslavia and caused trouble in Georgia, Ukraine and Myanmar [Burma].

Calling himself a philanthropist, Soros' role is to tighten the ideological stranglehold of globalization and the New World Order while promoting his own financial gain. He is without conscience; a capitalist who functions with absolute amorality."

France has upheld an earlier conviction against Soros for felony insider trading. Soros was fined 2.9 million dollars. Recently, his native Hungary fined Soros 2.2 million dollars for "illegal market manipulation." Elizabeth Crum writes that the Hungarian economy has been in a state of transition as the country seeks to become more financially stable and westernized. [Soros'] deliberately driving down the share price of its largest bank put Hungary 's economy into a wicked tailspin, one from which it is still trying to recover.

My point here is that Soros is a planetary parasite. His grasp, greed, and gluttony have a global reach. But what about America? Soros told Australia's national newspaper The Australian, "America, as the centre of the globalized financial markets, was sucking up the savings of the world. This is now over. The game is out," he said, adding that the time has come for "a very serious adjustment" in American's consumption habits. He implied that he was the one with the power to bring this about."

Soros: "World financial crisis was "stimulating" and "in a way, the culmination of my life's work."

Obama has recently promised 10 billion of our tax dollars to Brazil, in order to give them a leg-up in expanding their offshore oil fields. Obama's largesse towards Brazil came shortly after his political financial backer, George Soros, invested heavily in Brazilian oil (Petrobras).

Tait Trussel writes, "The Petrobras loan may be a windfall for Soros and Brazil, but it is a bad deal for the U.S. The American Petroleum Institute estimates that oil exploration in the U.S. could create 160,000 new, well-paying jobs, as well as $1.7 trillion in revenues to federal, state, and local governments, all while fostering greater energy security and independence."

A blog you might want to keep an eye on is www.SorosWatch.com. Their mission: "This blog is dedicated to all who have suffered due to the ruthless financial pursuits of George Soros. Your stories are many and varied, but the theme is the same: the destructive power of greed without conscience. We pledge to tirelessly watch Soros wherever he goes and to print the truth in the hope that he will one day be made to stop preying upon the world's poor, that justice will be served."

Back to America. Soros has been actively working to destroy America from the inside out for some years now. People have been warning us. Two years ago, news sources reported that "Soros [is] an extremist who wants open borders, a one-world foreign policy, legalized drugs, euthanasia, and on and on. This is off-the-chart dangerous." In 1997 Rachel Ehrenfeld wrote, "Soros uses his philanthropy to change or more accurately, deconstruct the moral values and attitudes of the Western world, and particularly of the American people. His "open society" is not about freedom; it is about license. His vision rejects the notion of ordered liberty, in favor of a PROGRESSIVE ideology of rights and entitlements."

Perhaps the most important of these "whistle blowers" are David Horowitz and Richard Poe. Their book The Shadow Party outlines in detail how Soros hijacked the Democratic Party, and now owns it lock, stock, and barrel.

Soros has been packing the Democratic Party with radicals, and ousting moderate Democrats for years. The Shadow Party became the Shadow'..............

What da ya know of Aborigines?
They left Africa long ago and had 'undiluted' DNA, till whites showed up.

'Please stop posting about it every week'
typical lib, trying to censure people

Yeah, I've pointed that out also, Dee. He doesn't pay attention.

Obama has stated very clearly that the American worker must become "competitive" with the Chinese.

He just doesn't say what that means. But, clearly, American wages are being driven down to low enough that when the oil runs out, and shipping costs become exhorbitant, the capitalists will still be able to make extreme profits from national manufacturing.

Vlad,

Behavior and values are all over map in my neck of the woods, there are so many factors, and it's so complex, it's hard to predict outcomes.

I like to observe human behavior. While Christmas shopping, I noticed how various mothers interacted with their kids. In some cases it was shocking, and sometimes it was beautiful.

I look at the kids at my church--who knows how things will turn out for various families? The worst-behaved kids (feral!)are the offspring of a Harvard-educated mom.

I can make a few racial conclusions from my own personal experience as a mom.

1. I only see whites and asians bringing kids to art museums. Ditto for national parks.

2. The lower classes will vacation again and again at Disneyland. Their cultural exposure is appalling.

3. Recently-arrived Russians make the best teachers -- dancing, piano, violin, etc.

4. Latino children of parents who don't speak English are going to suffer through high school.

5. Chinese and Indian parents push their kids too hard and are going to have kids with serious emotional/mental issues as adults. Yeah, they'll have high incomes, but their is more to life than a prestigious university/job.

Conservatives want to limit freedom of movement ... Like Cain said to keep the Mexicans out you need to electrify the fence strong enough to kill them.

Uteruses, gay marriages, halucogens, etc. conservatives want to suppress freedom.

Hello James. A happy new year to you and all of you commenters. We have been here weekly for many moons now, and little changes in the streets of Washington, DC. Instead, we see viper radicals wanting to become president lining the GOP podium. What will solidify an Obama victory would be Da'Trumpster running as a Independent, as he has recently inferred.

The world is operating on a shell game mentality. The commoner is angry but really has nowhere to go. The fatcat elite keep spinning the Wheel of Fortune each and everyday. Those elected representatives, wealthy as they are, continue to gum up the system with attached bills to the major bills hoping to bring about a massively long XL Pipeline down the bowels of the nation to the anus port of Koch Bro refineries in Texas. All the while, the Canadians don't want to build the damn thing themselves.

The Golums in Congress want to strangle working people and make them even more an indentured servant by keeping the country from creating a new vision, such as localized/neighborhood/community based energy generation plants, support for an expansion of localized food sources/farms, effective mass transit systems, more affordable healthcare, an end to war profiteering, along with an end to wars and occupations, and an end to the war stimulus packages, and finally, reinstating Glass-Steagall, and ending the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, and an end to the corporation as a citizen followed by an end to private funding for elections. The list is endless!

http://eye-on-washington.blogspot.com

Except conservatives want to impose their values on everyone and enforce them with police and prisons. And they don't say please. I only directed a polite request to Procon's obsessive posts on immigration and I asked by saying please. That is what you consider suppressing freedom?

In an earlier post I told Procon he has every right to post. You ignored that and twisted a polite request into a codemnation of liberals.

These are the kind of suggestions for positive change thatProcon ignores in his incessant pleas for attention ... using the grandchildren as shields.

OK, one more post for now -

"Yeah, I've pointed that out also, Dee. He doesn't pay attention." -wageL-

Pretty sure Dee was being sarcastic in her answer to me - naming a NEGATIVE about high US immigration (depression of wages for US citizens), but phrasing it sarcastically like it was a positive.

Either that, or Dee's H-I-B answer is a simple variant on "immigrants for US economic growth," -asoka.'s favorite.

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And absalom, you posted right after me - so you may have missed my 10:19 post. I'm going to wait until I hear from you about
1. your BETTER or more PRACTICAL idea than stopping US immigration to solve the world's problems
and
2."johnny rocket," (gotta' be you, whether you'll admit it or not is another question)

before trying to go any further with you about nature vs. nurture, and emotion/belief/facts/ideas etc, etc. (from the 2 websites)

But my bottom line will be both nature and nurture are important - but nature is more important. You will argue the opposite. Not sure we can take that much further than that - but I'm willing to try, if you want to do so.

gotta' go

WTF??!! whether i agree or not, where do you get that shit from? throughout history, it has been liberals who have fought AGAINST censorship! and fuck you, you are able to speak for or against liberals because of those sacrifices...and anyway, what is wrong with being liberal in the first place- wasn t this country FOUNDED by people espousing liberty? all apologies if you were kidding, but goddamnit, i get so sick of the hypocrisy that spews forth from 'conservatives' about big govt- heard of the war on drugs? or the whole right-to-life crowd, who obviously have never experienced systemic and unrelenting rape (at least not as a victim) and censorship- ever heard of joe mcarthy? i would seriously like to know where the meme about 'liberal censorship' comes from- this is not the first time i ve seen it

P2C wrote:
And I haven't yet seen you post anything that argues why reducing US immigration (especially legal immigration) is not a good, practical goal, or first step?
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I tried to suggest why such thinking would lead to rigid CONTROL policies, more government interference in our lives, but you missed it because you are simple minded and verbose, not articulate.

Actually, your plan may already be in place. Obama is deporting illegals and restricting general immigration far more than his last two predecessors.

My own view, absent idealism, is that we are likely to see during collapse a time where states consolidate into regional chunks organized around the most productive remaining swaths of land. There will exist enclaves of wealth perhaps surrounded by border fences and patrols of corporate military men. The outsiders will be restricted to the wasteland, whereupon their entry and exit to the systems of affluence that do still exist will be granted or denied based on their utility to the system. If you are “useless or uncomfortable with absolute conformity” you will be turned away. Who knows exactly how this will manifest, I certainly can’t predict it sufficiently, but this is the path you’ve started us down with Anti - (Im)migration talk. You can toil that argument alone, I'm interested in solving the problems that make such rigidity unnecessary.
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P2C:
, into slowing US economic growth - for the good of all mankind.
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40 years ago the living wage froze in this country. What workers no longer earned in wages was lent to them in credit, so they could cope with the fact that an advancing standard of living (the American Dream) was no longer possible. People consumed their way to the nightmare scenario we are in now. Now, dumbshits like you bicker that niggers and beaners and women and whichever minority you dislike have come in and taken all the jobs. This is true and misleading. This society advanced when it allowed women and minorities better access to employment, but the real result was that it was no longer necessary to raise wages. People were replaced by people long before technology was a threat. But to pile on the trouble, the computer replaced routine production by humans possessed of average intelligence with artificial intelligence. Social benefits and workplaces comprised of dignity are no longer necessary in any meaningful sense. This is why "they're" after your social security and pension checks today. You are redundant.

This is why no candidate running will EVER genuinely produce "Immigration Reform." This issue, too, is a moral platitude, but tailored to a right-wing mindset. However, as I described above, a plan to significantly restrict and CONTROL population in the face of sure(?) collapse is likely underway. So maybe I'm wrong: one day we may wake up in a police state, if we're not already here. Wake up, dummy. We’re living the Neo Conservative/Neo Liberal “dream” as we speak.

Next, Liberals who talk out of their asses and proselytize about how this country was made great by diversity of thought and the back breaking labor from (im)migration aren't wrong, but they're pandering. You are accidentally correct there. America owes its entire founding to borrowed and stolen ideas from other lands. Liberals play right into the hands of the Neo Liberal agenda of cheap labor supply and maximum profit. There’s not much more to be said about it.

So, Prog, your focusing on the symptoms and not the root causes just like every other political wonk out there. This is why this country can’t solve ANY of its problems. If Liberals and Conservatives had any true interest in addressing this issue, or preventing it in the first place, YOUR GENERATION would have demanded WAGE equality over racial and sexual equality 40 years ago. Racial and sexual equality are important but indentured servitude and outright slavery provides equal opportunity employment.
WAKE THE FUCK UP!
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P2C:
I'm still waiting for that from you.
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You’ve been served. But much of this will fly right over your head, as you bounce to some oblique pseudo-point.
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P2C:
Right now, it's looking like your answer will be some version of "civilization/humans are doomed at ANY rate - so why bother even trying to stop incoming immigration into the US." Which to me is a sort of "moral platitude," except that it is masquerading as doomer pessimism.
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Doomster realism is a more preferential term, but you’re free to label it with whatever moral platitude serves you best. I’m bored of you Prog, please take up this conversation with Asoka again. Oh, and you need to understand that the Nature VS Nurture juxtaposition is a bunk one. The two are interrelated, not opposed. Learn the theory before you form an opinion of it.

ABSALOM

Nothing is by accident. Everything is planned. Libyan, Syria invasion planned years in advance:

- http://goo.gl/eecIC

Excerpt from Vatican Assassins - by Eric Phelps

The purpose of the expose’ of the Twentieth Century is to prove the
assassination of President John F. Kennedy, ordered by Jesuit Superior General
Jean-Baptiste Janssens and executed by Pope Paul VI, was carried out by “the
American Pope,” Francis Cardinal Spellman. Spellman, being the Archbishop of
New York, was “the American Military Vicar” and therefore used his most
obedient soldiers – certain Knights of Malta, Shriner Freemasons, Knights of
Columbus and Mafia Dons – in carrying out his orders from Rome.

The single reason for the President’s assassination was his interference with
the purpose of the Jesuits’ Fourteenth Amendment American Empire created in
1868. That purpose was to restore and maintain the worldwide Temporal
(political) Power of that Jesuit Creation of 1870 — the “infallible” Pope. In
resisting the Pope’s Temporal Power, he threatened the monopoly of the Jesuits’
Federal Reserve Bank by enacting Executive Order 11110 (4 June 1963) thereby
injecting into the economy nearly five billion dollars (4.7) in interest-free United
States Notes, only to be recalled the day after his burial.

The President also attempted to break the foremost international intelligence
arm of the Vatican’s Jesuits – the evil Central Intelligence Agency – “into a
thousand pieces.” In 1963 the CIA was manned by many of Hitler’s old warriors –
the Jesuit-controlled Nazi SS – turned “cold warriors.” According to the great
Frenchman, Edmond Paris in his The Secret History of the Jesuits, it was a Jesuit-
controlled priest Bernhardt Stempfle who wrote Hitler’s Mein Kampf. This fact is
further confirmed by one of the founders of the Nazi Party, Roman Catholic Otto
Strasser, in his revealing book, Hitler and I. It was Roman Catholic Hitler who said
of the Roman Catholic Himmler, having modeled the SS after the Jesuit Order,
“I can see Himmler as our Ignatius of Loyola.”

And lastly, the feared SD – the Central Security Service of the SS (after which
the American CIA would be modeled with the help of the repatriated Nazi General,
Reinhard Gehlen) – was also overseen by Himmler. Himmler’s father, Gebhard
Himmler, being a Jesuit Temporal Coadjutor and schoolmaster for the Roman
Catholic Wittelsbach royal family of Bavaria, was the culprit behind his methodical
son becoming the bloodiest Inquisitor in the history of the Society of Jesus. Himmler
also commanded Martin Bormann. For the Order sponsored Bormann’s rise to
power through Xavier Schwarz, its Reich Party Treasurer and also a brother
Knight of Malta to Franz von Papen! (Roman Catholic Martin Bormann (whose
eldest son, Adolf Martin Bormann, became a Jesuit priest to the Congo) later
escaped from Hitler’s bunker in Berlin to South America (in the disguise of a Jesuit
according to Nino Lo Bello’s Vatican Papers) via the Pope’s Vatican Ratlines and
became a lay brother of the Jesuits’ Redemptorist Order – created as a result of the
Order’s suppression in 1773 – under the name of Brother Augustin von Lange.)

Secreted out of Europe through the Vatican’s Ratlines, these murderers
escaped their rightful punishment as war criminals who, during the Jesuit Crusade in
Europe and Russia, killed millions of Russian Orthodox People and Jewish People
pursuant to the Jesuits’ evil Council of Trent, which, after condemning freedom of
conscience and freedom of the press, concluded with these words:
“Accursed be all heretics. ACCURSED!! ACCURSED!!”

Lastly, President Kennedy began to end the Vatican’s hoax known as “the
Cold War,” the American CIA and Russian KGB having secretly worked together
since World War II. He also began to end that Jesuit Inquisition in Vietnam, as its
future highpoint would be “Operation Phoenix,” the CIA mass-murder of 60,000
Vietnamese, “in cold blood” according to its Director, William E. Colby. The
President interfering with Rome’s Holy Office of the Inquisition could not be
tolerated! Millions of “infidel” Buddhists were to be exterminated, the Pope’s
International Drug Trade would explode, American patriotism and liberty would
further be destroyed and Vietnam would be reunited under Ho Chi Minh – another
communist military dictator loyal to the Pope – like Stalin, like Chairman Mao, like
Castro, like George H. W. Bush and son. Waged under the guise of “fighting
godless communism,” Cardinal Spellman championed America’s most disastrous
conflict known as “Spelly’s War” overseen by Spelly’s General, the Roman
Catholic and CFR member, William C. Westmoreland. (Remember, according to
Col. L. Fletcher Prouty in his JFK, the forced movement of over 600,000 Roman
Catholics on U.S. Navy transport vessels from North Vietnam into South Vietnam
was “one of the root causes of the Vietnam War.” The arch-Catholic Secretary of the
Navy responsible for implementing that Jesuit-agitation was the Supreme Knight
of the Knights of Columbus, Francis P. Matthews. Knight Matthew’s Master was
America’s “Military Vicar,” Francis Cardinal Spellman. Later, Spellman made
several visits to the war-front calling the American troops “the soldiers of Christ,”
fighting the Pope’s Crusade against “godless Jew Communism”!) The outcome was
58,000 dead, 130,000 post-war suicides and a 220 billion dollar debt to the Jesuits’
Federal Reserve Bank. All these acts of President Kennedy were proper assertions
of national sovereignty and therefore infringed on the Pope’s Temporal Power. As
the “infallible” Vicar of Christ and thus, “the Theocratic Universal Monarch of
the World,” the Pope, through the religious, political and financial power of the
Jesuit Order, fully intended, then and now, to ultimately rule all nations through his
loyal kings and dictators..

This is a good one Met, there's an extended excerpt of it somewhere, but I can't remember where I've seen it.

The course of most of the conversations on CFN:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyWsFfd9pqE

ABSALOM

it is a kunstler tradition.
get with the program, douche!

two hundred and FIRST!!!!

"Pretty sure Dee was being sarcastic in her answer to me - naming a NEGATIVE about high US immigration (depression of wages for US citizens), but phrasing it sarcastically like it was a positive.

Either that, or Dee's H-I-B answer is a simple variant on "immigrants for US economic growth," -asoka.'s favorite."

Um, either you are stoopid....I don't see how you think my answer was being 'sarcastic'. I was just telling it as I see it. What other reason would there be for increased immigration? I really don't see the 'positive', so enlighten us, eh?
And I don't support the h1b visa either, I know too many that lost good jobs in sillycone vally to H1B visa imports.

So, I guess you are just stoopid.

"40 years ago the living wage froze in this country. What workers no longer earned in wages was lent to them in credit, so they could cope with the fact that an advancing standard of living (the American Dream) was no longer possible. People consumed their way to the nightmare scenario we are in now." ABS.

This is something that I have pointed out here over & over. But know one pays any attention.

Whats that saying about History? Gonna repeat it over & over & over......

;[

How come this air thief is still breathing and continuing his twisted mission ?

A T W E P sanction should be flying under the radar to bring closure to this representitive of the BORG.

Julie, I live just across the border in Ottawa Lake, MI. Toledo is the largest and closest metro area. After that it's 38 miles north to Ann Arbor or 55 miles northeast to Detroit (where the weak are killed and eaten!).

Tax's here aren't too bad. I'm retired and will now have to pay on my pension thanks to our new republican overlord.

The well water here is mixed with iron and calcium. You get rust stains in the sink and a white ring around the faucets. But it tastes good and has no smell. West of me and going both north and south the water has sulfur and the rotten egg smell.

Meanwhile millions of Christians were put to death by Communist Goons, largely Jewish, in Russia and Eastern Europe.

The world owes a debt of gratitude to Mordecai Vanunu, as Israeli who told the World that Israel has a large cache of nuclear weapons.

Hey OzoneP it looks like that bar in Winsted where we saw you play last July is closed down. Ya, we drove by today, windows papered over, sign torn down, parking lot empty. That's some pretty good clues right there that something is amiss. Used to be that package stores and bars were recession proof. That no longer seems to be the case. Or maybe it was poor management, who knows?

---WSP7

You see Dee? Your bad attitude gets in the way of clear communication. And then you make it worse by coping an attitude on top of that and calling him "stoopid". You need to purify your heart.

Hey Vlad there were some Jews in the Soviet nomenclature but they were a small minority, about commensurate in percentage with the Jewish population in Russia at the time. The NKVD dynamited Synagogues just as frequently as they dynamited Orthodox & Baptist churches.

--WSP7

Fifty-fourth!

All true. You say it's all due to nurture/environment/culture. I say it's due to both these and genetics. What proportion of each and how they interact is the question - and a difficult one in most cases.

Are you teaching your kids violin? You think that the Russians are better than the Japanese and the Suzuki method? Can you explain?

Afficionados of Classical speak well of the East Asians and their technical proficiency. But often the Spirit and the Joy are absent. Seizi Ozawa, the Conductor of the Boston Syphony was famous for jumping up and down trying to be ecstatic.

YoYo Ma has overcome his cultural/genetic barriers and expresses the Joy of the Great Musician.

Both Zen and Taoism emphasized individuality and the breaking of social convention. This is something that East Asians need to attain the higher life. But it was always understood that the individual has already been well socialized a la Confucian precepts. They weren't interested in creating Bohemians, Beat Zens, or Alan Watts types - or coddling them. This confusion between transcendental spontaneity and the poor impulse control of the libertine is an old one - and only got worse when the Dharma came West. It is Wilber's pre/trans problem in a nutshell.

Nope. The Leaderhsip of the Communist Movements in Russia and Eastern Europe was upwards of 70%. They may have persecuted Orthodox Jews too but they certainly killed millions of Christians - focusing on priests and bishops in particular.

Read Solzhenitsyn's Book about the Jewish role Russian History when it gets translated. It has faced massive resistance in the Jewish controlled published industry in the West. But it will get thru via internet publishing. Watch for it. I'll let you know when I find out.

Even after Stalin broke the Jewish death grip on power, they stayed strong in some areas such as the Secret Police and Gulags.

The Abos have IQ's of around 60 - far lower than even the Negro IQ of 70. The Bushmen of the Kalahari have an IQ of about 60 as well.

The Abos also hate alot of Homo Erectus characteristics. They probably interbred with them and lower their IQ thereby.

The visual part of their brain is larger than our's and they are said to be very observant. A valuable asset in finding one's way thru the trackless waste. Had a Psych Prof who talked about that but said they weren't superior in other ways - understatement of the year. It all fits the pattern: say only positive things about non-Whites and never anything negative. Say only negative things about Whites and never anything positive. If you can't say anything positive about minorities - lie or say nothing. If you can't say anything negative about Whites, lie or say something positive about non-Whites.

Btw, Negroes are a young race. The original African emmigrants were probably an intermediary type like modern Somalis or Ethiopians. We used to assume that these peoples were a mixture of Blacks and Arabs. But they may in fact have been the originals. Of course, modern man may have evolved outside of Africa - the different races evolving from different races of Homo Erectus. Or both things happened. In any case, Whites and Aians have Neanderthal genes and Africans don't. That has been established.

A friend sent me this. I thought some participants here would appreciate it.

****

It's the frontpiece to "Bloodmoney," the latest from my favorite writer, David Ignatius. It's what Pashtun tribesman said to Viscount John Morley, British State Secretary for India, 1905-1910: 'First, you push on your territories, where you have no busines to be, and where you had promised not to go; secondly, your intrusion provokes resentment, and resentment means resistance. Thirdly, you instantly cry out that the people are rebellious and their act is rebellion...Forthly, you send out a force to stamp out rebellion; and fifthly, having spread bloodshed, confusion and anarchy, you declare with your hands uplifted to the heavens that moral reasons forced you to stay; for if you were to leave, this territory would be left in a condition which no civilized power could contemplate with equanimity or with composure." Sound familiar?

Meant to say Abos have alot of Homo Erectus characteristics.

I'm so filled with hate that I can't even say have but have to have hate instead.

Is he the Jewish Guy who became a Sufi? That's a good thing since the Jewish Religion has been so compromised by political and social concerns. Mainstream Judaism is so this worldly that the people are denied the consolations of life after death and a personal relationship with God. A broad statement I know, but a true one on that level.

It's not for no reason that so many Jews went East in their quest. Sure they could go Orthodox, but what a terrible transformation that is. Or they could get into the Kabbalah, but wait till they read the Zohar etc. The darkness of ethnic hatred is not left behind even there. I was amazed when I found out and remain so.


You're absolutely correct Vlad that in Sweden it's a matriarchy AND the imported Muslims commit an incredibly disproportionate percentage of the rapes. The same is true in Holland or any other European country where anyone would care to look up the stats.

I say this ... I *will* come to your side of the argument when the phony egalitarians choose to ignore OVERWHELMING DATA. Those same phonies also will not deal with the subject of Islamic hatred of "infidels" (i.e., people who are not Muslim).

The liberals on this site are BORING because their views are like a recitation of every plank of the DNC's position on everything. Why don't they just hold hands and sing "Kumbaya"? Seriously ... any position that is NOT data driven is garbage.

You're also right about "...Dragon Tattoo". I read the book (but will never get the sequels) because it's a sop to radical feminism and it's ridiculous ... like these TV shows where hot babes are cryptographers and such. In real life, women in the sciences are as rare as the Spotted Owl. In California, middle-aged women think that New Age "thinking" is a substitute for education and discernment.


E.

'Ditto for national parks.'
Actually the illegals are ruining the parks with their pot farms, guns, fires.

WTF yrself...
1...I am not a 'conservative'
2...Yes of heard of JMC

Have you ever heard of the meeropols?
Sons of Ethel and Julius.

'Ironically, if there was any government that staged show trials for political ends, it was the government for which the Rosenbergs gave up their lives, that of the former Soviet Union.'

'A letter to the The Rosenberg Letters in 1994. Robert Meeropol is a lecturer and creator of the Rosenberg Fund for Children

In 2003 Pete Seeger was on the Advisory Board of the Rosenberg Fund for Children.
They help Mumias spawn.'
'brothers are totally unconcerned over the impact on America
of the left's defense of the indefensible
nor of the American troops killed in Korea because of what their parents did.


'At the end of the blurb called case overview they admit mom and dad were spys
But they only admit the truth at the bottom of the page
June 19, 2003 in New York City, on the 50th anniversary of the executions, with Harry Belafonte, Tovah Feldshuh, Peter Yarrow, Bill T. Jones, Holly Near and Ronnie Gilbert, Janiece Thompson, Suheir Hammad, Martín Espada and the Camp Kinderland Chorus.

During the trial, the government said the Rosenbergs had asked Ethel's brother, David Greenglass, who worked as a machinist in the atomic bomb program at Los Alamos, N.M., to provide them with information and diagrams of the bomb.
David's wife, Ruth Greenglass, testified at trial that in 1945 Ethel Rosenberg had typed her brother David's notes. David corroborated that story, which became significant evidence against Ethel.


In 1996, the RFC Board started thinking about creating a dramatic program to tell our story.
We wanted to honor Ethel and Julius' legacy from the past,
to celebrate the courage of families who continue to resist today, and to express our hopes for the future.
We wanted to use the words of those families and tie those words together with the music and the poetry inspired by the movements for social change around the world. We wanted to embrace Ethel and Julius’ words, and Michael and Robby’s legacy in the context of today’s struggles, today’s children.
I wrote CELEBRATE THE CHILDREN OF RESISTANCE with help from Robby and our friend Martín Espada. Material for the script was compiled from The Rosenberg Letters edited by Michael Meeropol'

'Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were executed 55 years ago, on June 19, 1953. But last week, they were back in the headlines when Morton Sobell, the co-defendant in their famous espionage trial, finally admitted that he and his friend, Julius, had both been Soviet agents.

It was a stunning admission; Sobell, now 91 years old, had adamantly maintained his innocence for more than half a century. After his comments were published, even the Rosenbergs' children, Robert and Michael Meeropol, were left with little hope to hang on to -- and this week, in comments unlike any they've made previously, the brothers acknowledged having reached the difficult conclusion that their father was, indeed, a spy. "I don't have any reason to doubt Morty," Michael Meeropol told Sam Roberts of the New York Times.'
Mike Meerolpol carries on the family tradition.
His folks help kill americans in the KW and he helps Mumias spawn.
[mumia was a sperm donor ya know].

Asoka needs an audience.
Asoka didnt admit 'peak' anything.

Really?
this is what you posted and what I responded to:

'Please stop posting about it every week.'

In answer to yr question...
I get it from asokas post:

'Please stop posting about it every week.'

Hate crimne laws
and in Euroville....speech crime laws.

Since when does Asoka get to tell someone here to shut up?
Nobody made him King.

See ...'THE NEW THOUGHT POLICE'
Tammy Bruce.

'I offered to never post again on open borders, if you never again posted on racist organizations like FAIR and NumbersUSA. You declined the offer.'
Again, who made you King?
P2C can say whatever he pleases here!

from unamusement aprk..in case ya missed my post....


I spent 6 months living in the UK in 2011. Even then, I thought their laws were over the top, but so did many of the 20-somethings I met. In the same year, they released the two boys who brutally murdered and sodomized a toddler while arresting a grade schooler for saying ‘stupid paki’ after he was pulled out of a fight with a Pakistani. It always stuck in my mind the juxtaposition of what was criminal. The college kids cringed at the thought of a fellow student being one of those murderers, but they also were extremely careful not to speak out against ‘asylum seekers’ for fear of trouble with the law and school. Their political leaders are completely divorced from mainstream values. “Enoch was Right” should be a street art propaganda theme.

Sadly, this is somewhat present in the US where people are jailed for spanking their kids or ticketed for not wearing a helmet while riding a bike while a rapist or murderer can plea down a crime to get less than 10 years in jail. I doubt it will get as extreme, as the problem with the UK (and Europe) has always been the heavy Marxism-Socialism influence. Yes we have it here in academia, but nowhere near as ferocious or organized as in Europe. Plus, we have rednecks. The difference with America thankfully is the federal set up and division of powers. The difference between Massachusetts and Texas is large enough to almost count as different nations.

That reminds me:

Peggy Lee: Is That All There Is? - YouTube
- http://goo.gl/GseB

Great song, great delivery.

E rushed over to Vlad’s freshly baked turd, took a whiff and wrote:

You're absolutely correct Vlad that in Sweden it's a matriarchy AND the imported Muslims commit an incredibly disproportionate percentage of the rapes. The same is true in Holland or any other European country where anyone would care to look up the stats.
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Ok, so Sweden is a matriarchy, you guys are bickering about the accuracy of a fuking movie? Then you make a broad leap to a racist pronunciation about Muslims? Incongruent losers!

Eleuthero, why don’t you cite your sources, instead of suggesting others embark on a wild Google goose chase to support your view for you? That’s generally the way people interested in exchanging ideas who visit this site do it. None of the truly DISCERNING readers here cherry pick facts to support their perspective, and then keep them hidden, and that’s only about 3-4 people from what I’ve observed.

You can dredge up support for any bullshit “theory” fathomable on the internet, which will likely be laden with only MISLEADING EXTRAPOLATIONS from spurious facts and statistics. If you are indeed a science guy as you let on, then you know that its strong INTERPOLATIVE data gathered through EXPERIMENTATION and STATISTICAL correlation which must be combined to build a solid foundation that qualifies as EVIDENCE for a scientific theory.

You are nothing more than a calculator; a mindless TOOL; A pathetic numbers nerd who’s NEVER done any real theory building in his life.

As a last resort, you try to lump your competitors into the broad category of Liberalism so you can avoid any real challenge to your mundane thoughts regarding social issues. Last week I cut your legs off and beat ya half to death with’em, and it’s clear you’re still lickin’ your wounds. You’re a fraud, E. Stop lettin’ Vlad poo on your chest.

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I say this ... I *will* come to your side of the argument when the phony egalitarians choose to ignore OVERWHELMING DATA. Those same phonies also will not deal with the subject of Islamic hatred of "infidels" (i.e., people who are not Muslim).
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Another OVERWHELMING OVER-GENERALIZATION which one could make about any in-group/out-group conflict one can name. You are a sad lonely man and doubtable have the rich intellectual and social life you claim to have. You talk shit about people like Vlad who outpost every other member of this forum for never taking a break, then you instigate his puerile intellect by agreeing with the amalgam of nonsensical points he fails to make. Hypocrisy is a bitch and Eleuthero is his name.

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The liberals on this site are BORING because their views are like a recitation of every plank of the DNC's position on everything. Why don't they just hold hands and sing "Kumbaya"? Seriously ... any position that is NOT data driven is garbage.
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Your positions are mostly garbage because their ONLY driven by statistics, not theory. Here you go ass monkey; here’s a link to a REAL scientist’s website. Here’s just one of the articles where he talks about the nuances of the scientific method. He will gladly have any statistical and generally scientific conversation with you you can think of. And if you think you can get away with using the default retort of “bleeding heart Liberal” to him, you’ve got another thing comin’. Good luck, asshole.

http://www.arachnoid.com/theory/index.html

ABSALOM

The Wandering Soul - Gary Atkinson - YouTube
- http://goo.gl/KmNdl

You gotta be Jewish. They are the kings of scatalogical "humor", barf jokes, - and all things of this nature.

If Muslims commit 90 or 95 percent of the rapes in Sweden, how much "interpretation" does one need? You're just trying to obfuscate simple truths you don't like.

The Calvinists I've known have been a very different lot from the worldly ones you described. My Calvinist acquaintances have generally thought more in terms of sticks than carrots, putting a scary emphasis on the justness of eternal hellfire for the unbelieving and heavenly reward for the elect. Their stance as self-declared members of the elect is less one of their deserving earthly rewards than of sneering arrogance towards the supermajority whom they declare damned. As a way of explaining why the hell one ought to pray or not be a psychopath since everything is predestined from time immemorial, they talk a lot about prayer and especially works being Holy Ghost-inspired and evidence of election, the latter point allowing them to be rubbed in the face of nonbelievers. All the same, all of humanity is totally depraved, enslaved by the sinful nature, and consequently redeemable only by totally undeserved grace.

If I were still hanging out with Calvinists the cognitive dissonance would make my head explode, and I would be walking around in undisguised contempt at their arrogance. I pretty much got away from these people and took refuge in the Catholic Church in college because they were crazy and their theology was patently immoral. My main Calvinist contact in college, the head of a conservative Anglican student organization-cum-think tank that was chronically entangled with bog-standard secular GOP politics, finally scared off during one of the Friday night salons that he hosted at his house, which doubled as his organization's headquarters, when he offered to take me upstairs and summarily baptize me in his bathtub. Otherwise, he told me, "your soul is in jeopardy." This guy had an unsettling John Brown zeal in his eyes, and some of his associates were creepy sourpusses. These people were theocratic throwbacks who made Andrew Carnegie and Billy Graham look avant garde.

The bathtub baptism offer was the moment at which I committed to go through with RCIA after months of dithering. I truly appreciated the sobriety and deliberation of Catholic confirmation classes and the fact that a Catholic priest could be defrocked for performing summary baptisms absent the freely given consent and likely imminent death of the recipient.

The bathtub baptist was a cradle Catholic who had overwhelmingly positive things to say about the Catholic Church, although he had left it in part because he believed he had a call to ministry but also wanted to get married. I sympathize with his thinking in that regard, but he obviously had other compelling reasons to leave it on account of his disavowing much of its most fundamental theology and general worldview. What amazed me was that he, like many other sola fide zealots, claimed to have 100% common cause with the Catholic Church, even on matters of theology.

Calvinists say the darnedest things.

Um, excuse me but the best indicator of future behavoir is past and present behavior - and Black Behavior has been getting worse for decades.
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Well...doubling down on that bit of brilliant nonsense, you have no reason to whimper and whine when I point out that fascists inevitably must find more and worse enemies. Enemies which simple "must" be dealt with through the use of murder and genocide. That has been the MO of every fascist government which ever came to power, from Mussolini to Hussein, including the runt Franco.

You wish

Vlad, using your vapid logic one could argue that because Eurasians (various shades of white) are responsible for 90-95% of all the well organized death and destruction in history, regardless of their IQ averages, that they are too dangerous of a race to allow to exist. You would never have the balls to apply that logic to us whitey's, not even if you fake like your are.

Next, dumb fuck, I'd need to know from where said stats were acquired, by whom, through what type of measurement methods, and so on. You really are every bit as stupid as you sound. You give yourself away at every turn. keep goin', freak.

You hit on some of the reasons that I'm impressed with Glenn Beck. Beck goes batshit pretty often, but on the one occasion when I watched his show a few months ago (my grandmother pretty much stuck to CNN, and I rarely watch TV on my own), my immediate reaction was, "Wow, this guy is an American Pim Fortuyn, and that's exactly what we need." One of his main arguments that night was that European leftists were being foolhardy by entering into alliances of convenience with Islamists whose goals included establishing a theocracy that would destroy the pluralism and liberties that the leftists held dear.

Beck, like Fortuyn, was effectively to the left of establishment leftists by actually defending basic principles of pluralism and tolerance that the leftists had abandoned. He took on the Westboro Baptist Church, declaring it beyond the pale and insisting that an open society had a duty to treat Westboro and its ilk as pariahs. Islamist theocrats, he argued, must be treated in the same fashion, but were getting a pass, to the ultimate detriment of their fair-weather leftist allies.

Another area where Beck made more sense than the competition was on Middle Eastern geopolitics. He didn't wow me with his carrying on about the worldwide caliphate conspiracy (good luck getting Persians and Arabs, Sunnis and Shiites, to work together without a common infidel enemy; they can hardly stop bickering even with Crusaders in their backyards), but he had a certain Realpolitik common sense that is totally lacking among the neocon chickenhawks who dominate GOP foreign and military policy, and lately Democratic policy, too. His recurrent point was that our supposed allies in the Middle East included a lot of very unsavory theocratic characters, any of them likely to turn on us in the future. What a crazy thing to expect of nice chaps like, oh, Saddam Hussein or Osama bin Laden.

If the only person willing to publicly say these things is a teary-eyed histrionic with a chalkboard, goofy strategic maps and a simplistic, conspiratorial understanding of our enemies, I'll take it. Beck can be nuts, but he isn't as arrogant, ignorant, foolish or reckless as the chickenhawk armchair generals who currently make our foreign and military policy. Someone with an audience needs to offer that sort of reality check.

Now that's a point worth exploring. Good one.

antisoak, a polite request and telling someone to shut up are very different.

I can politely request that ProCon not post on immigration every week. ProCon can, out of courtesy, comply with the request. Can those two things coexist in your mind? No force, no threat, no "liberal" thought control is involved in a polite request.

Procon can just as easily decide to ignore my request, because no one is ordering him to shut up, no one is threatening him if he doesn't shut up. You are way over the top in your reaction, antisoak. He has the right to post whatever he wants. And I have the right to ask him to reconsider his obsessive posts and not post on immigration every week. Everyone's freedom is being respected.

Amazing how the devious Obama was able to, again, fool the people into believing that he is helping them. The latest scam is the payroll tax holiday extension, which the stupid Repubs bought into. SS is already is the red,the trust fund has been stolen, & most boomers are not yet even receiving it. The something for nothing culture has taken over & we are finished as a nation. My generation & yours, the boomers, will go down as, perhaps, the worst, most self-centered in history. By the payroll holiday extension, which has not & will not help the economy much, we are saying that we refuse to even pay for our own retirements. Gens X&Y should take notice & refuse to enslave themselves to pay FICA taxes when it is their turn to take over - if we ever get to that point as one nation.

SS is already is the red

Really? Social security is solvent and everyone who qualifies is receiving their checks because there is money. You have been scammed by right wing media, because social security is not in any kind of crisis.

Social Security is solvent until 2038 (Source: CBO), and if the rich paid on all their income (not just the first $106,000) like the middle class does, social security would be solvent forever.

Contrary to popular belief, Social Security taxes are not deposited into the Social Security trust funds ... Along with many other forms of revenues, these Social Security taxes become part of the government’s operating cash pool, or what is more commonly referred to as the U.S. treasury. In effect, once these taxes are received, they become indistinguishable from other monies the government takes in.

But the Social Security revenues are accounted for separately through the issuance of federal securities to the Social Security trust funds … but the trust funds themselves do not receive or hold money. They are simply accounts.

By the end of last year, those securities, or bonds, amounted to $2.6 trillion,

Now you want everyone to provide some sort of scientific proof of their opinion before expressing it on here? It's been my experience that hardly anyone ever wins an argument on CFN blog.

Some arguments seem more or less self explanatory, like societies that existed for hundreds of years without mass immigration now can't get along without it, (Europe).

Or that religion is a defining thing about culture and is one of the things that binds it together, try telling that to some atheist, what you'll get is the usual often antectodal evidence of how abusive some Christian was to them at some anterior point.

The point being is, people are here to express an opinion, hopefully be convincing, not bore everybody out of their skulls with cut and paste or articles to look at. Or scientific jargon so arcane that harldy anybody knows what the fuck they're talking about.

And you're name calling two of the more articulate people on here, Euluthero and Vlad Kranz.

articulate??! vlad KRANTZ??? fer fuck s sake, spewing recycled, rehashed, specious, racist ignorance does NOT qualify as urbane eloquence...if you re just trying to get a rise outta somebody; consider the pot stirred- i sincerely hope you aint fooled by the fear and ignorance masquerading as a principled stand...sheesh!

Yo, ctemple, I am an atheist here and this is what I say: religion is a defining thing about culture and is one of the things that binds it together (operative word being "bind")

Gordon Allport also stated (in 1960) that religion fulfills a human need for a psychology of "becoming," to facilitate psychological growth and discovery of our human potential. Allport says this "can best be discovered by looking within ourselves."

None of which requires a "God" ... religion does not need any kind of god. Atheistic religions like Buddhism and Taoism and Jainism do just fine without hypothesizing a God.

CTEMPLE:

Now you want everyone to provide some sort of scientific proof of their opinion before expressing it on here?
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Ridiculous. You're just talkin' sideways. If someone is going to make a claim for which they reference some sort of "evidence" or supporting platform, it only makes sense that they offer it for consideration. The discussion can stay focused this way, if people consider the material in it's original form and then debate specifics some progress might be made;otherwise, dick heads like you only ever offer never ending responses that abandon the original topic altogether.

Don't twist words, moron.

ABSALOM

You said it.

"I told althea I was feeling lost, lacking in some direction.
Althea told me upon scrutiny that my back might need protection.
I told althea that treachery was tearing me limb from limb.
Althea told me better cool down boy, settle back, easy jim."

"There are things you can replace, and others you cannot.
The time has come to weigh those things.
This space is getting hot, you know this space is getting hot."

The Strait of Hormuz is not straight.

Yashua was a Pices.


"This is something that I have pointed out here over & over. But know one pays any attention."
-dee-

You've got that right, Dee.
The whole place has gone stoopid this week.
I'm looking for POSITIVES about immigration that don't involve:
1. Economic growth
2. Moral Platitudes
3. Ethnic dining and ethnic entertainment

I don't consider wage stagnation due to H1B immigration to be a POSITIVE - I consider it a NEGATIVE. Apparently the difference in a positive and a negative is too nuanced for you and WageL, or something.
And it's not worth the effort to explain it.
To hell with all of this.

Again you are mixing up the interests of the 1% with the interests of the 99%.

Depressing the wages of US citizens is NOT a negative to the 1%, it is their goal.

Wages have decreased since the 70s, while the wealth of the 1% has increased.

The plan is to lower the wages of US citizens until we are "competitive" with the lowest paid workers in the world.

I don't understand why you can't understand this.

He's an interesting character - he offends everyone some of the time. But ultimately he's with the Christian Zionists in their worship of Israel as the Incarnate God - not Christ. He has been called an "anti-semite" (utterly meaningless word) because he hasn't towed the line perfectly like say John Hagee. But it doesn't change his basically mad foreign policy belief - which make him an ally of the sinister Neo Cons.

Nonsense? You don't belief in the power of habit? Guess you don't believe in karma either. Some Buddhist.

I don't say change is impossible - especialy for an individual. But it is difficult. That you underestimate the difficulty just says that you haven't changed yourself.

I guess you never noticed that antisoak is a john bircher, through and through.

His astounding claims come from the fringe right, and are not grounded to reality.

You are right that the Founding Fathers were liberals and were trying to establish a country in which laws and not men, ruled.

It's not working out so well for them. Or us.

did anyone occupy wal-mart this week? it sure seems they are the poster children for the inequality- and i bet ol' sam is rolling in his grave- wasn t he all for "buy american"?

Good point. I can only say that the more intelligent the person or race, the more capacity it has for good OR evil. Power or Capacity are in themselves, neutral. When development is healthy, morality keeps pace with power, intelligence, and technology. Unfortuantely there are the psychopaths and the mad scientist types whose IQ is far ahead of their morality - if it exists at all. And then there are true believers like Wage who substitute insande ideologies for religion. Political Correctness is in itself a Cult with many true believers who reject out of hand any suggestion that all races may not be equal. You seem to be in this category. You would love to torture people like me to death. You are one twisted sister.

Liberals? Huh? Do you realize that the meaning of words sometimes change over time? Liberals of the 1950's would be consider far right Conservatives now. And the Founding Fathers would be considered - correctly - as Fasicsts.

The commodification of labor in unrestrained global corporate capitalism. Corporations lobby for employment policies which give them the lowest cost labor. People don't matter in their equation. Calls to fill an imaginary labor shortage by importing new citizens never stop even in the face of layoffs and massive unemployment. Americans it seems are not educated enough, they tend to be overqualified or uneducated depending on current corporate need.

Current priorities do not serve man. Current priorities are immoral and unsustainable. If priorities do not change our people will perish. In the race to the bottom we may be the first to go.

That is the Communist Goal - to level the world. Except for the Party Bosses who will live in luxury beyond the dreams of avarice. And many of them will turn out to be the same Multi-Billionaires that we have now - like Soros. Fooling people like you is like taking candy from a baby.

no offense, but that isn t their fault...not saying their ideals were perfect by any stretch; but We The People have shirked our responsibilities ever since...i mean it s no secret that the elites have been raping our planet & our people since long before 1776...! i just hope it doesn t take too many kids getting killed while screaming in english to open the soldier s minds to the reality they will be trying to enforce

Had ~100 wonderful people over for our Christmas Eve Party and it was Amazing! Then my Dad and I installed a Solar System on my gorgeous $5k house on Christmas Day! Changing the World one panel at a time...

Cheers ClusterFuckers!

AT no point have I ever argued that all races are equal.NEVER.

In fact, you big phony, that very idea is ANTITHETICAL to Evolutionary Theory. Further, the word Evolution is diametric in meaning to the word Egalitarian. You and your pet Blumpkin, E, have invented this Egalitarian position to suit your own purposes. You're arguing against yourself, Vlad; you're embarrassing yourself too.

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You would love to torture people like me to death.
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Every once in awhile you come close to opening our eyes, don'tcha? I'm gonna git ya boy.

ABSALOM

Yes, Religion means to bind. So bind to what if there is no God? Likewise, Yoga means Union or to Yoke. But to what? Buddhists substitute the Concept of Void for God and pray to the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas instead of praying to God or gods.

OMFG! How did the discussion on this site, this week, degenerate so rapidly and vapidly, into racism and religious nonsense? Does anyone even remember the primary topic material? I do - ethereal, unlimited, digital-press, fiat, bailout money at 0% interest to the *GLOBAL* banksters. I actually saw a *bullet* on Bloomberg yesterday about Brazil printing up 600 million reais for some bank/bailout (WTF?!?)...

And now, we have someone talking about the positive spin from Glenn Beck? Yes, I know, some poasters here are old-timers, and some are new (Absolom/dale - how many aliases/sock puppets do these guys employ. Aside - I find Absolom to be Tsa-Tsa on meds, with a new bent towards Asokan/Vlad psychosis). And now P2C is saying the *SAME EXACT THINGS* Q used to (in addition to his tired-out immigration trolls).

I poasted some time back (4 months?) thinking many of the aliases here were sock puppets from the same puppet-master, but now almost *all* of them seem to be one in the same *noise* (and Eleuthero, who used to be a sane voice in the noise, now embraces the Vlad/P2C conundrum). Certain characters seem to be absorbing degenerate traits of others, or perhaps there is a serious multiple-personality here...

Do I really need to discuss the master-debater Soker (the guy who will, and does, argue both sides of every argument)? I mean, really - 2 months ago he's moving to the Tejas border, right alongside a river, constructing his adobe mud-hut and babbling his same-old counter-delusions. 2 months later, it's too cold at the Tejas/Mejico border (LOL!!! rIIIght), and he's in the Amazon Rainforest for months/years, with his best friends, juicing mangos...

I suspect that this site's discussion board has been taken over by *6 fig govt stalkers*. Infiltrated, to be sure. Lots of plagiarism that plays for intellect. Debunkers, agents, disinformants - take your pick.

I think I now know what drove Tripp away. So unfortunate, but when the US Govt/Homeland Security hires literally millions upon millions to spy (on US citizens), what should we have expected? These guys have too much idle time on their hands!!!

Now you're talkin punk. The Absalom Race is the lowest of all.

Fair enough. I did get a little carried away with the vitriol toward Vlad. It was just so fun though. But the gut check was needed. And yes I am a government infiltrator. Ya caught me, Watson. Great deductive abilities by the way.

DONE,

ABSALOM

Look the whole peak oil thing has been talked to death. Now it's time to talk about other things like how many Negroes it take to change a flourescent light bulb.

Vlad, from the research I've read, young black men masturbate half as much as young white men, and spend half as much time watching pornography as white men. Hypersexual blacks may be the stereotype, but it is probably not reality.

OK, ill reply to:
'His astounding claims come from the fringe right, and are not grounded to reality.'


Ya mean like the connections from the Stalinist to the Rosenbergs?
And from Ethels 2 kids to Mumias spawn?

Those kind of 'unrealities'?

Um, yeah, for starters.

Caught me, too.

I am really a government spy being paid 6 figures to read all your comments. LOL!

Oh, and I'm not Black, I'm not in South America. I really do believe in baby Jesus and daddy God. Never got a vasectomy. Not retired. Not living on $1,000 a month. Not a pacifist. Not green. Just spying on all of you. We have your real names and addresses and our FEMA concentration camps are almost ready. LOL!

You got me, Ixnomor.

Fucktard.

Thank you, asoka, for bringing facts to the argument.

I'm not blaming them, CFT.

As Ben Franklin said to the concerned citizen, who asked what sort of plan they had come up with,

"A republic, ma"m, if you can keep it".

We haven't. But history is never over.

And I am working on improving conditions on this planet.

Approximately 17 people die each year in America as a result of snake bites.
Women hate snakes.
Approximately 50,000 people die each year in America in automobile accidents.
Women love cars.
When women wear helmets while riding in cars... I will wear one while riding on my bicycle.

A man on a multi-geared (not to be confused with a SS or fixie) bicycle is more efficient than a bird in flight.

Oh to live in the Heart of Dixie where you can survive a winter without a fire and you can ride a bicycle in all four seasons. A land so beautiful it was named after french money.

You're welcome, Wage. I'm happy bring facts to the table.

I know we don't agree on some things, but I always appreciate your posts.

BTW, haven't women's real wages (adjusted for inflation) gone up since the 70s, at least more than men's?

"Now it's time to talk about other things like how many Negroes it take to change a flourescent light bulb."

Don't you mean a diode bulb? They use the same energy as flourescents, basically, but they have advantages. They last *FOREVER*, they instantly turn on, and some of them are *DIMMABLE*.

*INFESTED*!!! And here I am, feeding the trolls!!!

And I must confess, or apologize, for prior troll-feedings... x.x

Personally, I don't have a dog in that fight.

Well, I do, but I realize that it's all bullshit. I have a 401K, because I was pressured into it, but I don't expect it to make me rich when I retire, for pete's sake. I'm not stupid.

It's time to think outside the capitalist box that we are forced by peer pressure, and occasional brutal repression, to reduce ourselves to.

This is an interesting talk by a man who has been working on building alternative structures to vicious corporate capitalism for many years.

http://www.commondreams.org/video/2011/12/17

Those interested in the Rust Belt will find what Cleveland is doing to be of interest. ProCon will find his remarks on overpopulation to be of interest.

Those concerned with peak oil will find his remarks on localization to be of interest.

To illustrate how radically different are the US 'persons' from the inhabitants of N Korea, USA Today just published this survey of the most admired people in 2011.

Care to guess here first without looking? Top ten men and women separately.

"You got me, Ixnomor.

Fucktard."

Asoka == Tsa-Tsa? Hehe.

Was I wrong, when I watched your migration to the Tejax border 2 months ago? Was I wrong, when 2 days later you were a full-fledged Brazilian, juicing mangos?

As I said before (months ago?), I hope your (clearcut) rainforest land hasn't been leached, trampled to concrete, and your nearby river *SILTED*. I know not who lives there - I'd suspect no one, as it's almost impossible now, with the MICKEY-D/BURGER KING chattle destruction...

*INFESTED*!!! I hope they pay you 6-fig-govt-stalkaz enough. Is *6-figures* enough?!...

Well, you're better at googling then I am.

Wages as a whole have gone down. Since women's wages were lower than men's in the 70s, and the wage gap has slightly decreased, I guess you could spin it that women's wages have gone up.

But I wouldn't.

There are 7 billion people on this planet.

That means there are 3 1/2 billion women.

You are confident that all of those 3 1/2 women hate snakes and love cars?

Or are you just an idiot?

"It's time to think outside the capitalist box"

Hehe, Alex Ansary (Outside the Box - public TV)? I was tuning into him, before he even knew what his agenda was. He got eaten alive by the capitalists/agents. Dissent is no option - it is especially discouraging that we even argue about something so obvious. Words constantly escape me now - I don't have the *tools* of the trade, I s'pose.

I never meant to be in that trade. I tried to do my part. I went without a vehicle for 8 years. I went without hot water for 3 years. I went without AC, and only heated to 58-60'F in the winter. None of it means anything now (*EVER*), as P2C's exponential (immigrant) rat-breeders do 2x as much damage *NOW*, as I could do 2 decades ago...

Time to walk around aimlessly with a cell phone (without batteries!)...

"Approximately 50,000 people die each year in America in automobile accidents."

That's why I like to call them (cars), "2-ton-death-metal-coffins." If'n you hop a ride in one, you really shouldn't be either surprised, or shocked, should you or you passengers get maimed/*DIE*.

"Fair enough. I did get a little carried away with the vitriol toward Vlad. It was just so fun though. But the gut check was needed. And yes I am a government infiltrator. Ya caught me, Watson. Great deductive abilities by the way."

Any denials of Tsa-Tsa origins? Or meds that *cured* you, turning you into a Vlad/Soker sociopath?

You said a few things that made sense, but most of it was *VITRIOL*. Very much Tsa-Tsa. And the other things seemed very schizo to me (maybe just me)... I mean, very Asoka/Vlad-ish...

If those meds cured you, let me know the names of them - I'm always interested in *OPENING* my mind!!!

No, I am the dotted line southern dumbass, and you can fill me in with whatever you like! HAPPY NEW YEAR 2012!

My kids took dance and piano from Russians. My friend swears by her kid's Russian violin teacher.

I think the difference is that they command the respect of their pupils and they don't put up with a kid who doesn't practice. I recall Anna Trebunskaya once yelling at my son, "This would never happen in Russia."

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My kids took tap dance, violin, and mental discipline exercises from Alpha Centauris!!!

Oh, yeah, they gunna *RULE* (my kids - not the alphas!!!)!!!

C wut I did there? Bwahaha!

"ethereal, unlimited, digital-press, fiat, bailout money at 0% interest to the *GLOBAL* banksters."

You fucking sock puppet! I suppose you expect someone to explain to you how debt can be made into *collateralized debt obligations*?

You are a moron, kl00bie, douche-bag fuck-wit. (not exactly what we were looking for, but *extraordinary*!!!)

Haha, sock puppets *abound*. There is no discussion here anymore. That's my belief - it is nothing but commoditized aggregation. I.E. *WALL OF SPAM*. 6969, do your due diligence!!!

*INFESTED*!!!

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Where's Rico!

"And I will cause hostility between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring. He will strike your head, and you will strike his heel." yea I'm good on the snake..." and I will go double on the cars"

"I suppose you expect someone to explain to you how debt can be made into *collateralized debt obligations*?"

I suppose you expect me to do all of your *HOMEWORK*. OK. However, I can't explain how they make a silk purse out of a sow's *A$$*!!!

I'm certain some of your sock puppets can explain it to you *in detail*. If not, *regardless*.

Things will start to sink in. Like the FEMA camps. Are they real? Is that cookery?

What is there to fear? Hehe! Why fear? Stick your head in the sand. The DOW is certain to *grow* beyond belief! And here you didn't vest yourself!!!

Foolish fool, buying gold, silver and copper. And you didn't bother with ETF's? HAHAH! GL burying all that *copper*... No one will find it, right?

And the biggest fool of them all, not buying into those I-Bonds. How *LUDICROUS*!!! Now it seems too late, huh (-2.7% inflation that year)? Why didn't you buy McD's, Cat, Micro$ - and get 3% dividends?!...

I mean, sh!t - I eat that toxic McD's slop morning, noon, and *NIGHT*, 24/7!!! Nothing liek a few quarter pounders, or big macz... YUMMY!!!

"Japan and China sittin' in a tree"

Cuttin' us out of a lot of money.

You know what else doesn’t happen in Russia? Toilet paper. I had a Latvian boss recently. He told me that when he was in school to study computer science, he didn’t see an acutal terminal for three years. Blackboards and chalk (he is not an old man, but not particularly young). I told him that I had “visited” his country. Where I was travelling, they had cell phones but no sewers.

Oh damn, I’m on the left coast. Everyone is in stasis. I was kinda hoping that some commie (small c), leftist, ABC News, uppity, NFL-franchise-buyin’ cyborg contrarist could provide me with the bleeding edge stats of toilet paper productivity in Mother Russia in the hope of sparking some…controversy. Maybe another day.

Happy New Year Motherfuckers.

Speaking of both immigrants, and of how the native born Americans are supposedly resistant to education and trades training, isn't it ironic that these DPs [displaced persons] typically either cannot speak English at all to any appreciable extent, or if they can speak broken English it is with an accent so heavy as to be nearly impenetrable. And these people are considered superior employees by the robber barons who want them permitted to move here. In other words bullshit. Immigration of the legal variety is little more than importing unemployment to keep the workers in line. And then of course we're all expected to work for virtually no money in order to prove to prospective future employers that we're not lazy since they won't hire anyone who's currently unemployed. Admittedly, there are places where I'd be the one with the bad accent, like England. Once in a bar in Gibraltar this idiotic British sailor sitting next to me at the bar informed me that I didn't speak "English". I was wearing a wool plaid shirt jacket with a Canadian maple leaf on it and could've bailed out by saying "god save the queen I'm really a Canuck". But no, I came clean and admitted "you're right, I speak American not English" which seemed to satisfy the little limey bastard. How could someone like T.S. Eliot, from St. Louis, end up making ludicrous statements such as "in politics a royalist, in religion an Anglo-Catholic"? And something else I forgot. I would say "an Episcopalian suffering from a terminal case of over-preciousness and a tory boot licker!" We're all doomed. By all means lets keep importing more unemployment, after all, jobs are for suckers.

Thanks, Wage. I've got a natural Boolean rhythm. :)

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I'm wondering about the tens of millions of Americans crowded into the shopping malls in the days after Christmas. How much stuff do they need too buy? When is enough, enough? Also, where is the money coming from to pay for all this sh-t? I hear how stressed financially the 'average American' is, that real estate value has dropped yet again, how hard it is to find a job, but people are in the malls spending money like BubbleheadMarc on his first liberty call in 3 months in Toulon, France. It doesn't add up.

--WSP7

BBM you're right about TS Elliot he come across as an elitist, arrogant prick, pretty much my opinion of all the Expat writers of that era, starting with Henry James.

--WSP7

I don't say change is impossible - especialy for an individual. But it is difficult.
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As I suspected. It's not right to judge people individually, just by groups. Ergo....by extension, if one black is a criminal then all blacks are criminals.

Face it Vlad, when it comes to race you are completely irrational, championing ideas even you must contort yourself into a philosophical pretzel to defend.

There is only one way to judge people, by an individual person's prior actions, with the awareness that change is possible. In your case, you should be hoping that change is possible.

Buddhists substitute the Concept of Void for God and pray to the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas instead of praying to God or gods.
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This is an excellent example of your capacity to read, but not to understand. You haven't the slightest idea what 'emptiness' means, or any hope of that without extensive meditation.

Furthermore, Buddhists don't need a substitute for God.....if you need an imaginary friend I have no problem with that. Carry on.

"native born Americans are supposedly resistant to education and trades training, isn't it ironic that these DPs [displaced persons] typically either cannot speak English at all to any appreciable extent, or if they can speak broken English it is with an accent so heavy as to be nearly impenetrable"

There are plenty of native born workers who are highly skilled, well educated and who are highly motivated with a good work ethic. There are also new citizens who are also highly skilled, well educated and who also are motivated and have good work ethics. Difficulty new citizens have in speaking is understandable since they come from somewhere else.

The supply of foreign workers totally dwarfs the unemployed domestic supply. The huge difference in this ratio makes finding qualified foreign workers very very easy.

Temp agencies do employment screening and 'displaced persons' are flown in on 747s easily and cheaply.

From a business standpoint there is no reason not to hire new citizens in preference over native born employees. If laws do not prevent or regulate employment of foreign born workers then business hire them, social contract be dammed. Business will also hire foreign born workers in preference to native workers if laws which prevent or regulate the practice exist but are not enforced. It is not hard to justify when corporations are legally bound to operate in the best interests of their shareholders and not the best interests of the citizens of the country they operate in.

Getting nit-picky over accents and qualifications misses the point and plays right into the hands of the 'man'. There are more fundamental issues of individual and social rights to consider.

Do corporations and businesses have any social responsibilities at all and if so what are they?

Thousand word essays could define the social responsibilities of corporations or we can simply define their social responsibilities by laws and enforce them. It is not a hard problem to solve if the will of the people and not narrow special interest controls the government.

Not the red pill, not the blue pill; k-dog for president. K-dog will bite the 'man'.

You meant American Gals right?

Wage has been testy lately.

re: 'Or are you just an idiot?'
No She is.
She also [months ago[] denied Communist despots

[woops..hit wrong key...]
Despots killed oh about 100,000,000.

'Temp agencies do employment screening and 'displaced persons' are flown in on 747s easily and cheaply'
Indian medical docs are also flow in.
Theres a place in Elsegundo that emplpoys 100-200.
It preps Indian docs to pass the board.
Get this, they all pass the board.

Our local JC got rid of the blue collar departments.
Not prestigious enough.

BBM you're right about TS Elliot he come across as an elitist, arrogant prick, pretty much my opinion of all the Expat writers of that era, starting with Henry James.
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If anything can be considered foretelling the downfall of the U.S., then it must certainly be this championing of the ignorant and stupid. Anyone smarter or more sensitive then I, well....he must be an elitist?

While both parties are hopelessly venal and corrupt, the Republican party will certainly deserve a larger than normal share of responsibility for our failure by making stupid fashionable.

"I don't like spiders and snakes
And that ain't what it takes to love me
Like I want to be loved by you" - Jim Stafford

It looks like whitey is being phased out, incrementally, slowly, by degrees (for now). But wait 'till the day comes when we are a proven demographic minority here in the USA. That's when the fun is really going to start.

--WSP7

"I reckon it will take a few weeks, perhaps through the whole winter, for a sense of swindle to set in among the rooked."

Most of the consequences of the financial meltdown have not been felt and will be felt only in coming years.

I am talking about the massive inflation that is coming.

Right now who has felt the consequences of the financial bubble? A few people who directly got swindled like the victims of MF Global. Are the unemployed victims? Not really, because their lack of work is due to the fact that in our economic bubbles we had millions of jobs which weren't "genuine", for example building a glut of houses beyond what are needed.

The primary fallout of the financial bubble has not yet occurred. It is the massive inflation that will be experienced in coming years.

K-dog, many writers in Elliot's era stayed home and didn't sneer at the USA from England & France, then high-tail it out of there when the World Wars began.

Maybe you're an elitist yourself, smarter than everybody else, who knows?

--WSP7

To clarify the statement about unemployment:

As Peter Schiff has commented, the recession isn't the disease, it is the cure.

The disease was the financial bubble. Unemployment was artificiallly low because we had millions of people doing jobs that only existed because of the massive distortions created in the financial system by the real estate bubble.

Now the economy is more "normal" (e.g., we aren't building superfluous homes), and we now have a better view of what the true unemployement rate is, which unfortunately is tragically high.

The primary fallout of the financial bubble has not yet occurred. It is the massive inflation that will be experienced in coming years.

Like a frog in a pot but I don't think we need to be waiting years to experience it, we already are.

How much is a loaf of bread these days?

On my friend's recommendation I've given CFN a few weeks look expecting to be dazzled with "brilliant" commentary but found it wanting. This morning's conversations, Exhibit A. I especially enjoy the Korean(?) clothing ads and Dale and Vlad trying to out-buddhist one another.

And so I bid you all a Happy New Year and a fond adieu.

asoka

"I offered to never post again on open borders, if you never again posted on racist organizations like FAIR and NumbersUSA. You declined the offer."

asoka, only radical leftist hate groups call groups like FAIR racist.

Theodore Roosevelt authored 40 books in New York, Dakota and Washington, and Owen Wister wrote his classics in his native South. To name just two.

---WSP7

Dochaknow Asoka is da 'man'

;)

Well, I like snakes and hate cars, so I disprove your hypothesis.

And I refuse to fall for your southern bait. Your delusions of persecution are exaggerated.

Somali refugees are now Gangsters in US Midwest...
how about this?

'Paul Ramses, arguably Iceland's most famous asylum seeker, has announced that he is running for president of Iceland.

Ramses fled to Iceland from Kenya in January 2008, seeking asylum here. When he was deported to Italy, separating him from his wife and newborn child, his case drew national attention, and pressure was put on the government for his return. He was eventually brought back to Iceland, and a few months ago was granted citizenship.

Ramses apparently is taking his new home to heart. While elections are still two years away, that isn't stopping Ramses from getting a head start.

Speaking to the magazine Séð og Heyrt, Ramses says that he feels sorry for Prime Minister Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir, saying that the Independence Party had 18 years to ruin the country, and people are angry that she hasn't fixed everything in two years. He intends to live in Iceland for the rest of his life, and in following Icelandic politics, decided to run for president.

"I've already written my acceptance speech," he says in part. "That time will undoubtedly come."

He added that he intends to personally increase the republic by having ten more children. "I'm African," he said. "I want 12 children. So I have ten to go."

If you wish to show your support for Paul Ramses' presidential aspirations, or just get to know the guy better, you can find him on Facebook. '

Elliot warned the West of the growing Jewish Power and its disastrous effects on our culture. But we didn't listen and when people who had spoken out had to shut up, Elliot shut up. A good poet and essayist, but not a hero. The hero Ezra Pound ended up in a cage and then the loony bin for having the guts to speak the obvious.

Former SNL writer drinks anti-freeze and dies. Couldn't take the coming "Fascism" (his word), Depression worse than the 30's, and Wars for Israel in the Middle East. His Father fought in WW2 and he was very proud of him. Couldn't stand the idea of America being in the wrong. Well at least he got that much right. But did he have to kill himself? And anti-freeze? A very unpleasant way to go. Was it really suicide?

http://revoltoftheplebs.wordpress.com/2011/12/27/snl-writer-who-committed-suicide-was-a-strong-critic-of-israel-and-fan-of-what-really-happened/

little late for me; immediately following the movie, i went and found a red AND blue pill, so as to be able to slip seamlessly back and forth from one to another reality...works for me...and no, i don t mean political badges...anyway, i ve always seen corporations as the main reason so many people allow the pillage- it is a paycheck, after all...i think the whole structure needs regulation and revamp, both in how companies are owned, and operated: the health of our planet should be taken into account, as well as the impact on employees of said companies...not saying these are all of the answers, but they should be looked at...oh, and the waltons are rich enough; wal-mart should be nationalized, and brought back to american manufacture...which itself needs to have controls for environmental impact

i suppose i support the occupy stance, in that we earthlings just need to start over, as it were, and "fix" everyrhing- we ve let things get so fubar d that addressing any one aspect is too little, too late...so the real solutions will have to come from the top down: we need real leadership- k-dog for president!

"I'm wondering about the tens of millions of Americans crowded into the shopping malls in the days after Christmas. How much stuff do they need too buy? When is enough, enough? Also, where is the money coming from to pay for all this sh-t? "

WSP7 - I bet that if you stood at the end of those checkout lines you would see all that 'stuff' being paid for with plastic. And, if you took a peek on those wallets & purses, you would probably see at least 5-6 credit cards, and probably each one of them is either totally, or very close to being MAXED out. They also probably have lines of credit of at least $10k+ or more.

Now, after all that, how do you think the goodies are being paid for? Oh, and the holders of all that plastic are probably juggling payments AND just making the min payment possible.

Geez... like some other things, this has been pointed out to YOU before. Are you just too dense?
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Your previous post makes no sense at all so I'm tempted to ignore it. Suffice to say that although I'm sure you could speak learnedly about co-dependent origination, you can't connect it to obvious everyday things like breaking habits and observing in others how strong the power of the past really is.

And this post is a humdinger too. Dale, the void is too impersonal for most people - no not just Westerners. The biggest form of Buddhism is the worship of Amdida. People come with their problems and ask for help - just as Christians do to Jesus. God, don't be such a prick. Btw, the Cult of Amida (Avalokesvara in Tibet I believe) is sanctioned by some of the greatest Sages, particularly of the Zen School. Although accredited Zen Masters, they were disatisfied with their degree of Enlightenment and wished to go to the Pure Land and directly associate with Amida to complete it.

The paths of Zen, Mahamudra, and Dzog Chen are far too steep for most people. Of course being Dale you believe yourself emminently qualified. I would expect nothing more/less from you. The greatest Sages are willing to humble themselves but I mean they're not Dale.

Here's a little hint from India: most of the great practioners of the non-dual lineages were also devotees or bhaktas of the personal god. As one explained it, to the extent I still feel myself separate, to that extent I still worship. Not a bad precept, eh? Or are you and your Buddhist hero Alan in the highest state at all times?

If you can't do bhakti, you have no place in Tantra - be it Tibetan Buddhist or Hindu. Guru Yoga and the Yogas of the Deities are the basics of your School. Yes, the Deities are dissolved into Emptiness but so are you Dale, so are you. And first you have to generate them - a big problem for an Ego like you. You don't want to share your consciousness like that. You're missing the boat. Your Dzog Chen is a way of avoidance of all the prerequisites - as you admitted last week.

...and while you re at it, how 'bout taking a page out of gold sack s book, and appointing some congress critturs (and bitches) to live in their various districts, for a change, and listen to their constituents, for some hope, who can get a real sense of what needs to be done, and in what order...see what i did there...^?

Hey POC. Hope you and the rest of the gang had a great holiday. Just sent an email your way, to the Walker account, and will be looking forward to a reply. Cheers!
Tripp

''m looking for POSITIVES about immigration that don't involve:
1. Economic growth
2. Moral Platitudes
3. Ethnic dining and ethnic entertainment

I don't consider wage stagnation due to H1B "

Oh, NOW you tell us you are looking for the +.

Well, I'll go with #3 above. Bite me....


;]

So what do we do? Just accept it or fight? What would the Founders do?

And let's face it, based on what's going on in Europe and America, were we really right about fighting those wars in Europe? Weren't we really fighting against Western Culture? I meaning "the Allies" have proceeded to end Western Culture by the changing the population. Slow mo ethnic cleansing. That's what happens when you have a purely economic approach to life - sweetened by a good dose of self hatred and ideological craziness like Communism and Feminism.

Government exists to stop pillage and make sure social and environmentalexternalities are accounted for and proper dues collected where appropriate. There is so much more to it of course but basics have been neglected far too long.

You said:
the whole structure needs regulation and revamp,
and made these three points.
● Change how companies are owned and operated.
● Take into account the health of our planet.
● The Impact of companies on employees matter.

Three great places to start but right now not even these things are on anyone's table. The Sustainable Canine Party will bring issues of substance like these onto our governments table. The dawn of a new populist movement has risen. Meat for everybody.

The time to start saving humanity is now.

Ya DJ, maybe I am dense, because after near economic collapse here in 2008, and in Europe in 2011, as Ripthunder pointed out on Monday, not much seems to have changed.

Now Iran is threatening to close down the Straits of Hormuz. If one of their land based missiles slams into a US Naval vessel there will be hell to pay.

Despite all this, and a million other things, its still happy motoring on the interstates, and happy shopping at the mall.

You would think that these events would be cause for some introspection amongst the population, the institutions and the media. But it hasn't. Its just more of the same bullshit; who's ahead in the Republican primary, what the Kardashian sisters are up to, who will make the playoffs in the NFL ...

It looks like we will have to find out about TLE the hard way, i.e., being slapped in the face by it.

--WSP7

Should things progress to a k-dog for pres doghouse on the web I would include this as a link.

Community Wealth.ORG

Why succumb to TLE when you can kick it's ass.


Vlad,
Your mind slips in and out of rationality so frequently it's absurd. You quite simply are hearing (or imaging) a number of things for which there is absolutely no proof, were never said, or for which you have utterly no knowledge.

Trying to have a discussion with you is like trying to comb your hair in a funhouse mirror....or discussing quantum physics with a four year old. In other words....A WASTE OF MY TIME! So....you're posts are back to the shitcan. See ya.

"So what do we do, accept it or fight".

--VladK

Vlad, fight against who? The currents of history? The FBI, ATF, US Marshals Service? They would crush you like a grape in no time flat.
Save yourself, that's my advice, which you pretty much have already done by moving to Idaho. You don't have much to worry about up in that remote, mountainous, 98% white state.

--WSP7

Here's a new year's resolution for CFNers: ignore the irrelevent posts. Don't reply. Keep on topic.

Right now I'm at 40-60 for scrolling past vs. reading. When I get over 50-50 I'm outta here for good. My time's too valuable to waste reading about racial shit, the bad Jews and Zionists and other such absurdities. Let's try for relevence, clear thinking and new ideas. It's a shame that the true peak-everything, thoughtful bloggers are being drowned out by schizoid, hateful, weak-minded, site-wreckers and their alter-egos. Who said, "90% of everything is crap"? Sadly, this is being confirmed at CFN.

Bill wrote:

Here's a new year's resolution for CFNers: ignore the irrelevent posts. Don't reply. Keep on topic.
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I'm in on that resolution. I'm guilty of contributing to the distractions. No more.

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Bill wrote:

It's a shame that the true peak-everything, thoughtful bloggers are being drowned out...
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Thanks for a reminder of the only reason I visited this site in the first place.

ABSALOM

Iran is threatening to close the straight of Hormuz, probably a bluff, but a risky one in every sense. Is this the start of it Ladies and Gentlemen? Time to strengthen community ties to stave off social chaos. Precarious times indeed.

HAPPY and HEALTHY nEw Year to all.

ABSALOM

...i wasn t kidding about occupy wal-mart: just go in, and wander about randomly filling up a cart, then "decide you can t afford all this crap"...hit em where it counts, in their profit margin...

8anta wore a disguise!

Islamic honor killing in Texas: "Santa" who murdered family on Christmas morning was Muslim who didn't like his daughter dating a non-Muslim
Aziz Yazdanpanah, a Muslim, didn't like his daughter's non-Muslim boyfriend and was exhibiting stalker behavior.
“She couldn’t date at all until she was a certain age, but when he was going to let her date she couldn’t date anyone outside of their race or religion.”
Again and again we have seen honor killings in which fathers kill daughters who are dating non-Muslims or have supposedly besmirched the family honor by some sexual indiscretion.

Lt. Todd Dearing says that motive isn't important -- which is generally only the case when Islam is involved.

Motive is not important, [dumb lib].

oblem

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Try thinking of it like what has recently been discovered about human DNA. Most of the human DNA molecule seems to be wasted space. There are long stretches of nucleotides that don't seem to code for anything and are considered to be junk.

Take it with humor if you can and try and see it as a necessary inconvenience of free speech.

And if you need to buy a knock off Korean handbag you know where to go.

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Any idea what the clothing ads are about?
dale n Vlad are debating, this went on alot in Tibet at monasteries.

ENDING THE DEBATE[S] WITH HIM..ON ALL MATTERS..
IS THAT A PROMISE?

I'm wondering if this latest tumult in the ME isn't going to spike oil and create a Run on Walmart, if that makes any sense. Pretty much all the candidates and pundits are beginning to whip up a frenzy. Well, maybe they've been slow churning it the whole time.

I'm interested in a discussion about infrastructural impacts if there are any with insights on this. I don't care about the politics necessarily.

You're welcome.

The point is, K-dog, that I don't want to be inconvenienced; life is too short, and annoyances unnecessary.

But here's a thought: it must be a real bitch to read Korean if you're dyslexic!

For real: K-dog for president!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I lived through the Arab oil embargo of 1973. As I recall, infrastructure wasn't affected, but there was a strain on Americans' living routines. Now, going to fill up your gas tank takes but a few minutes, and other than complaining about the price, is a non-event. IN 1973, getting a fill-up was a time-consuming hassle. At first, you could get gas anytime you wanted, but waiting in line often took 1 or 2 hours, and sometimes the gas station ran out while you were in the middle of the line. People became cranky, then very angry. I would often drive by gas stations with their pump areas blocked off and had signs saying no more gas. Eventually, a sort of rationing took place in Massachusetts: we could only buy gas on even or odd numbered days, based on the last digit of our license plates.

Before the crisis began, the average gas price was around $.35/gallon, but once the embargo took effect, the price shockingly surged to over $1/gallon. A few gas station operators took advantage by price-gouging. One station owner near Beacon Hill gained notoriety for charging $5/gallon, and many fools paid the price (some paid just to be able to tell their friends they paid that price).

People had to plan their actvities around their gas tank status. I didn't make plans too far in advance for social events I had to drive to. Other than this, life went on, albeit with a lot of discussions about what was really happening behind the scene - you know, conspiracies and stuff of that nature.

I read somewhere on-line that 16% of the world's oil passes through the strait of Hormuz. This is a significant percentage, but not enough to cause major changes in how Americans live their life - although if we react the same way we did in 1973, I could see gas prices tripling temporarily, out of fear, and that would lead to lifestyle changes, for sure. I also read in the same article that it's unlikely that Iran could successfully block the entire strait, particularly when tankers begin being escorted by warships.

Did listen to the podcast with JMG, and was happy to hear about his views rather than read them! Thanks a lot.

JHK, you had better ask JMG what magic really is before publishing your next book. You will be surprised that magic is nothing like the miracles you want to describe in the book's title.

Good job with the interview, I hope you get him on again soon. Thanks.

~shudder~ i ve just had my first experience of being banned from a blog; i feel just plain dirty from being a part of their group for even such a short time...anyone out there feel like giving me a quick tutorial on how to create a few bogus screen id s, in order that i might disrupt their precious circle jerk for a day or two? so you know, 'democratic underground' is not all that democratic after all! pretentious fucking snobs, if you ask me

People had to plan their actvities around their gas tank status. I didn't make plans too far in advance for social events I had to drive to. Other than this, life went on, albeit with a lot of discussions about what was really happening behind the scene - you know, conspiracies and stuff of that nature.
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Yes. This is exactly what I was interested in. Infrastructure impact was the wrong phrasing, perhaps possible systemic disruption is worse. Cluster Fuck is perfect. I'm wondering what an equivalent scenario would look like today. If gas averages at $3 - $3.50, the what effect will a $2.00 spike have?

I remember people bitchin' up a storm at $4 plus prices. I remember the strain that had on their already over stretched paychecks. I was a student then as I am now, so I'm duckin' the effects differently than my friends with wives, girlfriends and kids to look can. I can live in a small tent if necessary. They probably would have to rely on????? So few people have prepped.

My guess is that there's a good chance average households will collapse at an even greater rate than they are now, while things are still hunky dory. But in terms of effects of a more systemic nature. If people suddenly have to make a decision between driving to work or buying food, something will have to give, and it's this domino effect that I'm betting might play out this year. Sears just announced a big fire sale, and they've been around for better than 100 years or something. How could any number of smaller businesses survive a sudden spike in fuel costs? Is it a waste of time pondering such chaos?

I'm convinced the government has abandoned party politics altogether and is just gearing up for the shitstorm while Joe the Plumber still worries whether his guy will get the nod or retain his seat. The media debates are about as useful as last years magazines lately.

Insulting me is not the same as answering me. You have no answer. I win. Again.

If you could but see: a gracious accptance of defeat would be a manifestiation of bodhicitta. And if you could keep doing that, you might not even have to generate the Deities - or it would be within your reach of you so chose.

WEll, here is someting to think about:

Gasoline prices may rise above $4 a gallon next summer as refineries along the U. S. East Coast close, reducing fuel supply..."
http://www.buffalonews.com/business/briefs/article687025.ece

Hmmm.... so if the Hormuz gets closed, you may start thinking about gas in the $6-7+ range, perhaps?

Hows that going down in the ol' SUV that gets, what, 15mpgs?

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gawd...but gas in Australia has been 7$ for years?
yes? no?

I was banned from TAKI MAG...
where were you banned from?

'of the non-dual lineages were also devotees or bhaktas of the personal ...'
Well if they are non dualists wha da ya expect?

Anyone watch the funeral of "Dear Leader" in North Korea? The whole country is a cult. Most of them are faking it, thankfully. But the false consciousness continues. A Nation of Dales, Turks, and Absaloms.

Dee, i think you've underscored a key point: there won't be single factors escalating the crises, their will be numerous culminating influences. This is why i think the (G)overnment is in triage mode. Regardless of the party lines, no constituencies interests are being served by recent legislation. I've been trying to read more of the actuals bills that get passes; the language smacks of Big Brother interests, not regular folks'.

Grazi for the link

ABSALOM

Don't understand, can you rephrase? Or was that just rhetorical? The point: that devotion is conducive to Realization. Ramana said so himself. He was a Great Devotee of Arunchala, the Holy Mountain - a physical manifestation of Shiva. He never ceased in his Devotion since he was still a man who walked around, ate, talked, etc. If he was in Nirvikalpa Samadhi all the time then you wouldn't need to fee devotional.

Some have talked about natural or Sahaja Samadhi which persists permanently - with just enough subject/object consciousness left to maneuver oneself around. Maybe, but it must be very rare. In any case, someone so exalted, who has transcended all need for bhakti, is not going to mock Religious people as "having invisible friends". Sickening. Who the hell does this guy think he is? Trying to win points with the Atheists? And what does that say of him?

Ramakrisna, the Bhakta par excellant, had another point of view. Attain the samadhi of the Divine Person and He/She (your pick!) will Themselves give you the Supreme Vision - if you still want it.

This is pretty far from Buddhism - much farther than Advaita. But the Dalai Lama himself said that he could see that Theisms like Christianity produced extraordinary people, people with higher consciousness. He said this despite the fact that he found many aspects of Christianity strange, alien, or even incomprehensible. Now that is a Man with an open mind.

"The plan is to lower the wages of US citizens until we are "competitive" with the lowest paid workers in the world.
I don't understand why you can't understand this."
-wage, laboring so hard that....-

Wage, I have to say, that of all the crazy arguments that I have had on CFN, in the past year - this one with you and DeeJ is about to set a record as the most insane, IMO.

I am against immigration into the US, of any and all types. I am against legal immigration. I am against illegal immigration. I am against immigration that benefits the 1%. I am against immigration that harms the 99%. I am even against immigration that might BENEFIT the 99% at the EXPENSE of the 1%. I am against immigration in a way that transcends ANY simple political consideration - because I am convinced that high immigration into the US - will eventually KILL US ALL, everyone on Earth.

I am convinced that stopping US immigration is the ONE, single - and POLITICALLY relatively EASY THING - that might solve most all other problems.
Even absalom agrees that reducing immigration into the US is a good idea - I think. Who can be sure - with the way he parses words and phrases.

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Dee is pretty new to CFN, Wage. You are not.
What is wrong with you, to be thinking that I'm looking for a positive outcome for immigration into the US. There are no positive outcomes for immigration into the US.

Except for:
growth
moral platitudes
ethnic dining and entertainment.

What else do you want me to say here, Wage?
Because, to quote Ms. Wage L:

"I don't understand why you can't understand this."

"Oh, NOW you tell us you are looking for the +.
Well, I'll go with #3 above."
-deeJ, still going for sarcasm, I think-

Who the hell knows, Dee. I'm quite certain that you've gone on record as being opposed to current high US immigration rates. Let's go with that for now, and let the water clear a little bit.

I'm ready to bury the hatchet here, and not in one another's heads.

And, as far as this lovely (lively?) sentiment:
"Bite me...." -deeJ, to P2C-

Well, OK, if that's what you really want, Dee.
Do you want to bitten gently, or with passion?
And, how's that Divine Inferno at the Mall coming along, BTW?

"These are the kind of suggestions for positive change thatProcon ignores in his incessant pleas for attention .." -asoka, responding to jerry-

Jerry - there is absolutely NOTHING WHATSOEVER in your post that argues in favor of the present high levels of immigration into the United States.

Indeed, from your website:
"The world is operating on a shell game mentality."

Movement of impoverished people INTO the United States is NOTHING, if it is not a sort of shell game.

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More importantly, Jerry - asoka., sometimes known as "the resident impediment" is twisting and spinning YOUR words, Jerry - to impede dialog.

So, tell us what you think about immigration, Jerry. You may be for it or you may be against it - but asoka. has NO IDEA what you propose, from your brief post to CFN.

So far, asoka. is the only CFN poster this week to argue, totally, in favor of US immigration.

And he won't give reasons. (because he can't?)

Except for the well known:
1. economic growth
2. moral platitudes*
3. ethnic food and entertainment

*asoka. argues that any group OPPOSED to immigration is RACIST. This is a pernicious and divisive sort of "moral platitude."

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and no, ixnomore, i'm not a troll. i'm a little obsessed, but that is all. the floor is open. anyone can weigh in with new ideas in favor of high rates of immigration - even a.., if he can generate a new idea.

WSP,

Who are you responding to, or are you channeling Vlad out in the wilderness? And what if you pulled up a bar stool like Norm and blurted out that comment - WTF? It reminded me of a world rthymn music festival I attended about five years ago when a Jeff Spicoli clone came up to me and approvingly announced, "Alright,a white guy":)

DEE has been here for years!

Did ya hear about the African [somali] refugees in the central states that have formed gangs?
Refugees are a problem.

Yeah right Bill. All Jews are good and all the things they do are good. Satisfied? Have you no shame?

Here is Churchill's famous article on the Jewish Leadership in Bolshevism - absolutely amazed you don't know about it. Of course he sold out a bit later and never said another word. And that went along with his pathological hatred of Germany. To hell with the World, as long as we can get those krauts! I assume of course that you've read Buchanan's "The Unnecessary War" and know that Hitler was an extreme Anglo-phile and had no intentions of attacking Britain until Britain forced hostilities.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/WSCwrote1920.html

Sure Buck. Guess math isn't your strong suite. 90% in 1960 to about 65-70% now. Quite a drop in two generations. Now big step here - extend the rate of decline two more generations and factor in how many babies the Mexes are having here. We will be an aging minnority by 2050. The rate of minority births is already even with White births.

But none of that means anything, right? Hope your good with painting skeletons and like bright colors.

She's a "political animal" and factions and hoped for alliances, and Marxist dialectic all serve to overwhelm her idealism for the Earth and America. Like most women, her mind is a constant whirl of he said she said, tit for tat, etc.

Remember Lenin's dictum: Worse is better. That always plays in when you're dealing with these people. You can never be sure if they really want to help the situation or make it worse so as to bring on the Revolution. Do you think Obama really wants to save the American Economy?

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Here's the problem, Prog.

Dee and I see that policy is made by and for the 1%.

It doesn't matter that immigration doesn't benefit the 99%.

That's irrelevant to the 1%.

You seem to believe that policy is made for the benefit of the majority of the people of the US. You seem to believe that your opinions matter to the policymakers. You seem to believe that petitioning the lawmakers with sincere arguments will equal the money of the lobbyists.

Dee and I don't believe any of that. We see that immigration serves the interests of the ruling class, not the rest of us. And therefore, that immigration will be allowed.

I don't know how to put it any more plainly.

They're just not that into you, or your concerns, prog. It doesn't matter what you think. The profits to be made from cheap labor rule over your objections.

,那就是产品搜索。现在淘宝产品搜索排名最主要有3个因素-橱窗推荐,标题相关性,下架时间,另外累计销量,信誉,评分,好评率,收躲量,这些对新手卖家没有用,由于都拼不过大卖家。新手卖家的产品想出现在搜索前3页只有靠前3个因素,由于这3个因素最公平,权重也最大。

      这会用到一个软件,当时我用的一个“工具吧”的软件,一月10元钱,有自动橱窗推荐,即自动推荐快下架的商品;有自动均匀上架时间,即自动调整产品上下架时间,分布更公道,在顾客成交率高时间段接近下架最好。标题相关性最简单的一招就是直接复制排名前面的同类热销产品标题,你会发现他们的标题大多是一堆热搜关键词堆积而成,而不是自己的描述词,很雷同,但被顾客搜索到的机会更多。

      做好这3点,恭喜你,你的宝贝既使没有一个销量,但也可以出现在搜索第一页,但一周只有一次机会,很短的几分钟。如何在短时间内让顾客选择你,那么就是2个因素,图片和价格。此时的你可能图片还不是很精致,价格此时应该是最主要的因素了。对于没有销量的产品,一般只会有两种人选择,一种是爱便宜的,一种是淘宝资深买家。我当时所有商品全部标为进货价,一分不赚。那么在价格上我可以做出上风。做为新店,我们不赚钱也做,但大卖家不一样,每单都要赚钱,由于有职员工资,有用度,要考虑利润。而新手一般还不会考虑本钱,有生意就会做。选择新手卖家意味着风险,一般网购不久的人都会跟风高信誉和高销量的商品,但钻级的买家会更聪明的选择低信誉的新卖荚冬她们网购多了会发现,新手卖家的价格肯定可砍到最低,服务也更热情。我的第一个顾客就是2黄钻买荚冬我很热情地服务她,她也感觉到了我的诚吭冬一单买了8条。我一分不赚,再送一盒家里的特产给她,呵呵,生意就这样开始了,接着有了第二单,第三单,全是钻级买家。

      渐渐从一心到2心,3心,4心。。。

      2.打造热卖宝贝

      3.4,我上架了第二批新产品,8千的新货,款式扩充到100款,此时被搜索到的机会更多一些。3.10,店展日访问人数过100,3.15日单日销售额过1000,生意开始好起来了。宝贝有人买过,有评价后,排名会更好一些,3.21日,单日进店人数过200,店展收躲量过100.3.22,累计销售额过,日浏览量过1000。

      当时在同类宝贝搜索,发现一款蝴蝶结的皮带在商城卖得不错,而我又有这款货源。于是我直接进货价秒杀。商城卖68包邮,我直接卖29.99,进货价是28元,加上包装和赠品,真正一分不赚。另外这款宝贝详情页图片我花大精力设计了,这款就卖开了。选对产品,做好描述,定价超高性价比,就具备了爆款潜质,到3.28日,这款商品销售突破100条,店里从此有了拳头产品。这款宝贝我持续秒杀了3个月,一分不赚,但带来了一万多的流量,通过联带销售,卖出了其它的商品。这也许就是所谓的单品制胜吧。这款宝贝现在是我店里排名第二的宝贝,销量过500了,是我的元勋。

      后来同样在网上找到一款爆款,在网上月销量过2000,我在批发市场找到类似款,做主推。对手2皇冠,做28特价销售。我定价39包邮。另外购买数目多的再优惠,一条39包邮,2条35/条包邮,3条33/条包邮,5条29/条包邮,10条26/条不包邮,这样我的价格在搜索页面上显示的是26,图片上又有包邮标识,那么我就是看起来26包邮,比对方更有上风。这款产品很快也卖起来了,4.3号销量过100,现在是我店里排名第一的商品,累计销量近1000了,并还在热销中。

      通过这2款产品,我很快做起来了。4.3升一钻,4.16升2钻,5.3升3钻,5.26升4钻。。。

      在店展还没有上风时nanshi.xeuxi.com,去细纹眼霜排行榜单品制胜比较适合。首先寻找对路的产品,别家热销的产品可以参考,找到类似的,在价格上让到最低,就会吸引到人流。同时有一个细节要说明,店展装修很重要。现在装修很高级了,新店装修得好看起来也很有实力的样子。我起步就是旺展拓展版,不要图便宜用那个旺展扶植版,假如亲还是被扶植的对象,那就说明亲认自己小了。我们可以是新手,但要给人专业的感觉。现在的淘宝很职业化了,不要再以玩票的心态来做淘宝,那样赶紧撤,尽对没戏。有投进才有回报,现在淘宝的产品链很完善了,原来的经验现在都有软件可以解决,但这些都要花点钱的,但尽对值。

      3.简单倍增信誉的方法

      刷信誉是可耻的,而且像毒品,让人误进歧误,不能自拔,我所说的是通情达理正当的增加信誉的小技巧。

      一个客户每月最多可以给6个好评,但很多顾客买了一个商品就走了,只能带给亲一个好评,亲可以设置一些实用的小赠品,设成一分钱,让他们一起拍下,无形中就会增加很好好评。原来只拍这个商品的,现在又拍了2个赠品,那么这单生意就可以给亲带来3个好评,很轻松的倍增。

      使用这种方法需要留意一些细节。首先你得让人知道有赠品可以拍,在哪拍。在旺旺设置自动回复或是快捷短语是最好的。另外,要方便,单独的赠品可以放进购物车,也可以把几样赠品做成一个套餐,拍一个套餐就是几样赠品。不管怎样,有的顾客愿意拍,有的不愿意拍,毕意有一点麻烦,但还是可以带来不少的信用分的。

      这只是一种锦上添花的东西,终极还是要产品好,由于除了信誉,销售额更有价值。在店内做一些满减满送或是满包邮,还有设置一些套餐,让客户多买,使信誉与销售额同步增长才是王道。

      4.项目选择

      很多人想做淘宝,但不知道做什么好。一个项目的选择由三点决定:市场所需,对手所弱,自我所能。首先你做的事是市场需要的,别人愿意付钱的需求是真正的需求,有些只是赚人气而赚不到钱。市场有需要再要看别人做得怎么样,假如对手都很强劲,那你也要三思而行。最后一点,有市场,对手也不太强,那么自己有什么上风,是有资源,还是有经验。总之,做熟不做生,行行有人赚钱,有人赔钱,但赚钱的都是行荚冬亏钱的多是新手,新手都正在交学费。很多人误进一个新的行业,还在交学费阶段就放弃了,是十分可惜的。所以假如进进一个全新的行业,要做好前期亏损的预备,做好长期的打算,总有一天成功会到来,坚持很重要。假如立即想赚钱,那就只能做现在就能做而且比别人做得好的事。我们现在的经验都是昨天的积累,那么我们今天的积累,只有到明天才能发挥作用。

      我原来做过半年的安利,安利吸引人的地方就是说人人同等,人人都有机会成功。淘宝也一样,人人都可以加进,加进没有门槛,但不意味着成功没有门槛。现在的淘宝已经非常职业化了,从个人到团队再到公司化运营。所以要清楚自己要什么,有什么,愿决花多大的资金和精力往换。上帝说过,你要什么我都可以给你,关键你愿意拿什么来换。

      现在的淘宝主流有3种模式,za隔离霜一种是做渠道dasqh.yywwa.com,也就是做品类,品类齐全;另一种是做品牌,投进比较大;最后一种是做特色。第一种对货源和营销2块要熟,没有货源上风,就做不了品类齐全,不懂营销就做不了量,没有量就没有本钱上风。渠道终极还是做差价。我前期走的基本上就是第一种模式。第二种做品牌需要足够的实力,没有实力不用考虑,一般是传统品牌进进淘宝的路子。第三种比较适合小卖荚冬可以挖掘自身拥有的一点特色,做到极至,也可以获得一群喜欢这种特色的小众客户群,比如做大码服装的,比如只做亚麻面料的,做精一点,在淘宝大海里可自成一家。

      5.淘宝基本功

      现在的淘宝不是信誉成就销量,而是销量成就信誉。我见过5钻店一月的销售额只有几千元,我只5心时日销售额就过了1000.

      信誉是虚的,销售额才是我们真正要的东西,不管是赚钱,还是想做大事业,终极销售额说了算。

      销售额=流量*转化率*客单价

      流量是外部的,而转化率和客单价是内部的。内部优化了反过来又会促成外部的优化,所以内部是本质。

      前期我们流量不大,不是很忙,反而有大把的时间来优化内部。但很多人在产品刚刚上架开店后,就挖空心思找流量,不知找来的流量大多是无效的,很多都浪费了。

      现在淘宝流量贵如金,来了流量转化不了成交是最大的浪费。那么怎么做好内部优化,我给大家公析一下可以优化的地方。

      销售额=流量*转化率*客单价

      转化率:装修,信誉,种类全,客服,店内促销,商品图片与描述,消保。。。

      客单价:套餐,满减,高价商品,团购批发。。。

      流量:主动推广,自动优化(商品数目,热卖宝贝)

      一切的一切,有了一个新晰的定位,这个店是要卖什么,定位好了,找合适的模板装修,装修是形式,让顾客更直观的感观这是怎样的一个店。前期商品未几,装修尽量以简洁为主,到合适的时期再重装,而不是一步到位。新店一开始,产品详情页比首页重要的多,大多顾客是通过产品进进店展,而不是直接登录亲的首页。产品详情页首先商品图片要拍好,具体一点,真实性重于美观,再加上一些描述。图片不知怎么拍好或不知怎么描述,那么就看做的好的店展是怎么拍的图,怎么描述的,不会复制总可以吧。不过不建议全部复制,只是复制他的套路,图片还是自己拍。信誉是随销量起来的,实在并非想的没有信誉就没有生意,只是信誉高一点了会更好一点,这个是随着销量一同上升的。种类全,就是给人一种专业的感觉,我们可以很小,但尽量做出专业的感觉,至少在一方面,别人才会信任你。客服前期当然是自己,我们还没有多少实战技巧,但至少让顾客感觉到我们的热诚。店内促销,包邮呀,秒杀呀,特价吧,满就送呀,也不需要太多的花哨,让人感觉到实惠就行。这些因素都会影响到转化率,天天做好一点点,转化率就会提升。

      有顾客成交了,我们想让一个顾客买更多,那么有几个因素。设置套餐,做满减活动,上一些高价商品,支持团购批发,这些都可以提升客单价。

      流量,我到现在还没开始外部主动推广,现在的流量主要来自2方面:淘宝自然搜索和客户先容。

      淘宝自然搜索有几个方面,一个是关键词搜索,一个是类目搜索。优化标题关键词,优化宝贝上下架时间,自动橱窗推荐,都可以提升搜索到的机会。另外商品数,商品数多一点,下架的商品就多一些,也可以增加展现的机会。另外假如有热卖宝贝,通过销量排名就会有很好的展现。我现在销售排名第一的商品销量排名长期在第一页,这给我带来20%的店展流量,这比任何直通车都有效,而且是免费的。所以做出热卖宝贝很重要,它就是店展的先锋,还会带来连带销售。

      热卖宝贝的选择是第一位的,可以参考销量排名的商品,那些卖得很火的至少说明了市场需求大。找相似的款,做出上风,人家开始赚钱了,那么你不赚钱也做,秒杀,包邮,这2个因子是热卖宝贝的核心元素,性价比是第一位的。另外,这个主推商品的宝贝详情页一定要单独花工夫做精做好,让来的顾客看得明白,产生购买。把这个产品的优点说到位,给顾客下单的理由。做出热卖了,再考虑连带销售。

      另一个推广来自顾客。购买过的顾客是最好的宣传职员。我进店都送礼品的,我定做了个精致网购量衣尺,上面印制了我的网址,我的每个顾客都送3个,收货地址是学校和单位的送6个。由于这东西一个人用一个就够了,多了只能送人,送出往就是最好的宣传。这就是口碑传播的技巧。亲想让顾客主动为你宣传,总得比个理由吧。要么服务得她很开心,她买得很满足,她捡到便宜了,她有时会和朋友说说。口头空说不如送礼,礼品开路,一切水到渠成。假如我是一个朋友的同事,朋友从网上买了一条腰带,在办公室折包,里面有3个量衣尺,她多了送一个给卧冬我肯定会把玩一下,会看看她买的皮带。假如产品的确好,又有朋友以身示范,见到实物了,假如喜欢有什么理由不买呢。那么要买,上哪买,朋友肯定记不住你的网址,那么皮尺上的网址是最好的指路牌。这样的顾客上来基本直接拍,http://www.73fanxian.com,由于售前她朋友都为你做好了。另一个可以做口碑的动力来自团购,买多可以一起包邮,可以打折,可以享批发价,都可以促使她们主动叫上同事一起买。现在网络社区营销很火,但活人现身说话也不失是一种好的方法。网络推广的好处是多元扩散,而分布于各处的小群体会小一些,但也更紧密一切。网购最大的不足就是看不到实物和对网络的不信任,而这样即见了实物,又有朋友的现身说法,威力无穷。

      6.专业制胜之道

      每个人的资源和精力是有限的,假如四处广撒网,终极一定是一无所获。由于现在淘宝从来不缺商品,你做的每个行业都有千千万万的商品。如何从万千商品中脱颖而出,唯有两法。一是单品制胜,二是阵地围歼。单品制胜就是占领制高点,从期占领销量排名的前3页。但首页的资源是有限的,而且淘宝限制一页最多只能出现2个同一店展的商品。除了做销量,还有一种方式可以,那就是直通车,只是这个需要持续烧钱,假如做好了转化率和利润空间,保证不亏也是可行的。阵地围歼就是在一个品类下面你拥有足够多的商品和种类,顾客搜索品类下的各个细品类都有你相关的商品,并且你的每个商品都有一个下架时间,也就是出现在最前面的机会。


Jesus Christ Claims Tim Tebow Not Ready To Be NFL Starter

DENVER—Jesus Christ, noted Son of God and football analyst proclaimed Monday that second-year Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow lacks the pocket presence, arm strength, and passing accuracy necessary to be a starter in the NFL. “Tim’s place is at the right hand of the other backups on the bench, and his earthly works show that he deserves to dwell there all the days of his life,” said Lord and Savior of all mankind, adding, ““It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for Tim Tebow to complete a pass against the Cover-2”. “For Tebow must have faith in coach Fox’s plan, and pay his dues by wearing the headset, and by calling in plays from the clipboard while watching from the sidelines.” Christ also asked Tebow to stop praying to Him and asking to be made the number one quarterback in the depth chart, claiming “that’s never going to fucking happen.”
-- The Onion Sports News

That's irrelevant to the 1%.
==

True. But what is not irrelevant to the 1% is the democratic process. I don't mean political elections, because we all know that is a charade and a rigged game. I mean a real democratic process, where you vote with the dollar, or rather, where you vote against their dollar and their banks, where you vote against their corporations, where you vote against paying them tribute by way of taxes, where you vote against having anything to do with their professional associations and institutions. I'm talking about a real vote of no-confidence in their system of theft and abuse.

Procon said: There are no positive outcomes for immigration into the US.

-----------------

Wow! Incredibly selfish, ignorant, and racist!

Procon is saying: My family done immigrated here from Europe. Me and mine are here... Now let's slam the door shut.

We stole the land using guns and negotiated a treaty with Mexico in bad faith, altered the treaty to steal properties and make it look legal.

Now the damn brown people are trying to take back their land. (and they are succeeding!)

I got mine ... Quick, shut the door!

Que?!

"Procon said: There are no positive outcomes for immigration into the US." That do not involve:
1. economic growth
2. moral platitudes
3. ethnic dining and entertainment.
-asoka-

Then asoka indulges in #2, above, by labeling any effort to discuss immigration reduction as racist.

"Dee and I don't believe any of that. We see that immigration serves the interests of the ruling class, not the rest of us. And therefore, that immigration will be allowed."
-wage-

I see that too, Wage. Anyone with half a brain should be able to see that - going back to Reagan's legalization of all those Mexicans in 1981, if not a lot further back.

So, Wage and Dee - Occupy Wall Street, The Greens of California, and all Organizations Various and Sundry - that claim to be for the interests of American Labor - should be opposed to high rates of legal and illegal immigration.

Yet, they are often NOT so opposed.

Explain this, if you please.

============================
And I guess the answer will involve some idea that there would be "plenty for all of us," (including millions and millions of unskilled immigrants?) if the ruling class would only learn to share.

And that may have been true, when the US was THE dominant economic power and we had strong private industry unions and 200,000,000 residents. But those days are gone and they are never coming back.

And the ruling class will never share.
So it's time for OWS, etc, to truly stand up for the working class and oppose further immigration.

It's one area, symbolic yet important, that should unite the 99% - both Left and Right.

So why don't these organizations change their policies on immigration??

democratic nazis- i mean underground...

Season greetings Clusterf#ckers all, no matter what your class, ethnicity, creed or cravings. However if you're afflicted by blinkered evangelical fundamentalist Christian views and are a high ranking NRA big wig, then skip this post from me for sure...

For the rest, yep even you too yanky-doodle-dandy Vladminator, I thought I'd just ping in a quick hello, to see how you're all doing?

My highlights for entertainment during this Yuletide break - apart from reading good ole JKHs weekly missives of course - was watching Nick Bloomfield’s 'Sarah Palin You betcha!' aired on Channel 4 this week.

The 'key' point he makes is how on earth did this very parochial, stuck in pre-teen behaviour, gum chewing, spiteful, centre of attention cheerleader prone woman actually get a real standing for office chance of being installed in your nations top administration HQ... the Whitehouse??

This - despite when you pealed away the brilliant white Christian coiffured gloss exterior - she had only a track record of being absolutely hopeless at running anything of merit. Once installed even at base mayoral level, any staff with academic pedigree quickly got 'thrown under the bus'... And even now on her numerous, maverick going rouge lecture tours she still espouses lies and bent truths, but no matter what she screeches out, power-suit clad her faithful lap it up, ovation cheer it on, and no doubt will help push-out those that may in future stand for any democratic based office.

(christian, zealot bot drones, once activated.. go flame, protest and death-threat at their masters bidding)

It just goes to prove that as long as Fox TV/Murdoch/KochBros. backs you, patriotic emotionality and star-spangled rhetoric mixed with gleaming white teeth and lipstick count for much, much more than any intelligent form of democratic tempered debate can ever hope to counter.

So one would have to conclude, (that in the USA) the barbarians have in fact won... as we CFN'ers know too that the rule of law in your nation is no longer relevant, and that even executing foreign leaders (Gansta style) is now fully Hillary Rodham Clinton green-lighted and game on. As that tiresome labouring process of the court of law is no longer seen as a required form of moral due diligence. Much as with Mrs Palin and 'Troopergate'... and our once beloved Tony Bliar, whom ignored the full UN legal mandates for joint shock-an-awe strikes against Iraq – simply put bullying and big stick beatings is now the new normal.

So if the Israelites do in fact strike out soon at the Iranians, perhaps the closing of the Strait of Hormuz in retaliation will be just the sort of infidel sharp, short bitchsl#p shock we'll need in the OECD befuddled West to give us the collective wake-up reset that might finally do us all some good.

(Which brings me onto my final thought for today)

For those that can remember me mentioning a skipper I recently encountered, whom had been close to the end of his personal three year obsession, of launching a custom 87' twin rudder carbon-composite ketch out of the UK come July 2012, down there in Hampshire. 6 weeks ago he was the kid in the candy store... jet-setting fully and had rented a house out there in St. Lucia to meet sail mates finishing this years ARC, when he realised his 'man flu' was a tad worse than he initially thought...

To cut a story short, it was Pneumonia and unlike George Michael, Jeff at just 47 didn't make it. His last email on a Sat afternoon, was light-hearted and scoffing at me for going out into the squalls and rain to hike Dartmoor, but by the following morning Sunday 18th Dec' he was dead. He will now never head out into the big blue and fulfil his personal nautical dream, taking his new boats helm for the very first time... though his ashes were dispersed at sea.

The moral? There isn't one except perhaps this... concentrate on the right here, right now as for all of us it really is the 'best' there is. Utopia... by definition you'll never get there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVAnlke_xUY

Ciao bella

prog, i think the problem is that the last generation has been brought up with the idea of political correctness there are many of us in the field of construction who have felt the effect of plummeting wages, and know why it happened- it s damned difficult to do anything about it when if one brings up the subject one is instantly called a racist...another reason, i think, is that the majority of 20-somethings today have never worked in the trades, or for that matter really worked at anything, so have faced no competition that can be seen...and then there is always the basic human decency at some level (i know, not all feel or recognize it!) that tells us in our got that these people will suffer if they stay in mexico, india, somalia, etc and yeah, i realize they could stay home and make their country better so the lure of "the streets paved with gold" isn t so strong...in closing, i think met posted above the most realistic way to fight the interests of the 1%; i would add that educating some of the foreign nationals already here about what conditions are really in place, and try to achieve some changes in their attitude and behavior, vis a vis quit undercutting the wage system; that hurts us all...realistically, i believe a worldwide workers general strike and, if necessary, revolution will be necessary to make any changes at this late juncture...

"It looks like we will have to find out about TLE the hard way, i.e., being slapped in the face by it."
--WSP7

Correct! (...Excellent observations on cognitive dissonance in action on levels local, national, and international.)

I just returned from Charleston, SC, and I have to tell ya man, it's the very definition of JHK's Clusterfuck Nation. Christ, talk about the blind leading the blind on a truly massive scale! Strip malls everywhere (some in lingering decrepitude and decline, while they're busy building MORE), packed trailer "communities", roads overflowing with low-mpg pick-me-ups, SUVs and muscle cars, housing tracts in hurry-the-hell-up construction (employing obvious "imported" laborers), secondary roads falling to ruination, and a huge influx of big corporations that only make things SUPPORTED BY CHEAP FOSSIL-FUEL ENERGY. Plus the outrageous blatant racism that's overlain with a very thin veneer of civility. (This is all against all racism, everyone's a victim and persecutor at the same time; I see a subtle distractionary programming in this weird aspect of the locale.) Their infrastructure is not going to support this massive influx of people and resource-gobbling industries for too long. It seems EVERYTHING besides the seafood is imported here! I sure as hell would not want to be in the middle of this sprawling tangle of know-nothing-ism when TSHTF. Ammo is cheap and plentiful however, so things will get sorted out in the most basic grass-roots way. It might be a good place to do some sea-based trade, a few years after the Great Reckoning that surely follows the Great Crumbling, as night follows day. A good harbor is a good harbor, that is undeniable until Nature takes it in hand to change it.

This is a land in complete and utter denial of "coming attractions"... in other words, a politicians unending wet-dream of boobs to be milked and rubes to be bilked.

Abs,
I am heartened to see you have flexibility in areas thoughtful and physical. That, and the acquisition of truly useful skills, is going to be of utmost importance in the near future, IMHO.

"Is it a waste of time pondering such chaos?

I'm convinced the government has abandoned party politics altogether and is just gearing up for the shitstorm while Joe the Plumber still worries whether his guy will get the nod or retain his seat. The media debates are about as useful as last years magazines lately." -AMR

Ties right in with my thoughts about the blinkered denial of the lumpenprole. It's quite useful to the PTB to keep the general populace as dumb as possible and distracted as possible. (Keeps 'em from tumbling to who their real enemies are, don'cha know.)

Pondering the present and future chaos is NOT a waste of time; it's most important in "positioning" oneself [as best as one can] to survive the outcomes of our multiple predicaments. (Energy, agriculture, water, political and religious vampirism, social organization, pollution, climate, etc.) There are some feedback loops that simply have to play out; there's little to "be done", and dealing with the outcomes will be quite the survival challenge.

Good luck, my wager is on you and folks "like" you, who are intensely curious as to what is really going on and why, rather than folks like me who are somewhat (or maybe, greatly) limited by psychologies of previous investment (tm JHK). :o)

Oops, left out "over-population" as one of the most obvious multiple predicaments. (Sorry P2C. ;o)

P2C,
This comment by Wage should lay things out well for you, regarding her and Dee's opinion on the matter. (I happen to agree with them as well.)

Any "organization" that becomes a political force will be co-opted. The evidence for this abounds.
Top-down "solutions" to the immigration predicament will be inadequate, wrong-headed and [most importantly] beneficial to those who already profit from the status quo. Economic collapse is the only situation in which all hands are exposed for those willing to look. Things are just going to have to shake out in an "organic" way. I know you'd rather that it be by calm and thoughtful compromise, but I have very little hope of that. Look who's placed themselves in charge of those processes and you'll see why I feel that way.

well said, ozone...

What dishonest folks like Asoka dont know or admit is immigration to the 'white countries' allows the
turd world to continue to over populate.
Imagine Mexico with the 50 million Latinos that USA has and w/o the billions of dollars sent from el norte!

You are so sick.

Let 1/2 jewish Maher mock Islam and Israel.
What a fukkin coward he is.
BOYCOTT HBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Things are just going to have to shake out in an "organic" way.
==

Exactly. An organic reaction of disgust and revulsion, and an aversion of having anything to do or be in any way connected with these megalomaniac vatican jesuit predators and their imperialist proxies.

What I mean is 'of course non daulists' worship a God.
What else would they do?

And I could say that reading comprehension is not your strong suit. With more careful reading you would see that I was commenting on the out-of-the-blue nature of WideSpread's post, and not on any "numbers".

In fact, you read just fine; my post was just another opportunity for yet another endless VK ethnic contortion.

Somebody mentioned that you reside in the white bread state of Idaho, enveloped by acre after acre occupied by your ethnic brethren. So what's the problem Vlad, why the obsessive compulsion with race when you are not directly affected by those of a different race? If you answer is because of "the greater nation" than I will say you need to take a correspondingly great stand and open your own blog with your real name, otherwise you're just a coward and a hypocrite. Not to mention wholly unworthy of invoking the courage and resolve of the founding fathers as you frequently do.

So what's it going to be Vlad Krantz, a Miller Moth compulsively flapping its wings and disturbing the light on CFN, or brave racial segregationist willing to hold his noble forehead high for all to see in the light of day?


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177766

The Myth of "JOBS"

Actually, come to think about it, our present society, system, economic system has nothing at all to do with jobs and work at all ! It is mostly independent of "Jobs" and "Work", doesn't even need "Jobs" and "Work" and needs to "create Jobs" and "Jobs" and "Work" in general like a hole in the head.

Many just can't cram it in their thick heads that our present Technological Economy doesn't need more jobs, more work, doesn't create more jobs and work, needs more than anything else, consumerism and consumers, needs options and games, needs ever more free time to waste on options and games and wild consumption because the system produces free production by the boatloads, produces and can potentially produce way more than can ever be consumed by the boatloads. Just think, how can there be so many trillions of dollars floating around in the world banks and all, when so few people do any real work at all, most are just producing fluff (all the Information Workers, producing Symbols which are really ZERO REAL PRODUCTION, they are not cars which is REAL PRODUCTION) and working make believe jobs, go figure.

And the system is tuned and optimized to eliminate jobs, and all of the Innovation and Research and "More education" will only serve to eliminate as many jobs as possible, the system's real goal is to kill jobs, kill ever more jobs by using robots, automation, optimization, by using "Innovation" to find "new ways to produce" and do things "with less cost" hence, somewhere down the line with less jobs, ever fewer, and in fact this is the real sign of progress and value of all of our Innovation, Technology, Research and Education: how many more jobs can you hack, how much more can you achieve with fewer and fewer people needing to be paid, how much more profit can the few hands governing the production process hog up, by killing ever more jobs.

And yet, all the economists, politicians, thinkers, you name it keep on chanting the fairy tale of "job creation", "less taxes will create jobs, "more education and innovation will create jobs", you name, the more false and idiotic the relationship the more they chant it and believe in it. Incredible, our present Technological Economy, and in the future ever more, has absolutely nothing at all to do with jobs, and will have ever less to do with jobs and ever more to do with simple Status Relationships, Power Relationships, just pure power, who owns and controls what, who can hog money on one side or another, independent of any "effort", or "hard work" or "jobs" all the 18th century thinkers love to keep on blattering.

Just 1 trillion dollars of debts (and the USA, EU and JAPAN have more than 20 trillions of dollars that must be "paid back") to be paid back must be equivalent to 10 million jobs being paid 10,000 dollars a year for 10 years: exactly what manipulations, what informational or physical transformations will those "new jobs" imply ? Exactly what input -> manipulation -> output will 10 million people do 8 hours a day, everyday, for ten years that is equivalent to that 10,000 dollars a year salary (which by the way, is a very high salary worldwide) will they do ? Nobody ever answers, nobody knows, everyone bvelieves the "Invisible Hand of the Market" will "create them", the same hand that is hosing as many possible jobs as it can to increase profit, go figure.

We need Scott Free Handouts, 800 dollars a month to billions of people worldwide and cheap rents, 200 dollars a month to rent a 3 bedroom house all over the world, AMEN. And huge public - private projects, TRILLIONS OF SKYSCRAPERS, TRILLIONS OF ROCKETS TO MARS, WHAT I HAVE BEEN REPEATING FOREVER, BUT NO ONE IS LISTENING, AND NO ONE IS DOING WHAT I DEMAND, DO IT JACKASSES ! JUST DO IT ! GIVE ME MY SCOTT FREE HANDOUT AND TRILLIONS OF SKYSCRAPERS AND ROCKETS TO MARS. JESUS CHRIST, I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT IDIOTS THE GOVERNMENTS OF THIS WORLD ARE!

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Some corrections for your thesis:

The Myth of "JOBS"

Actually, come to think about it, our present society, system, economic system has nothing at all to do with jobs and work at all ! It is mostly independent of "Jobs" and "Work", doesn't even need "Jobs" and "Work" and needs to "create Jobs" and "Jobs" and "Work" in general like a hole in the head.

Many just can't cram it in their thick heads that our present Technological Economy doesn't need more jobs, more work, doesn't create more jobs and work, needs more than anything else, consumerism and consumers, needs options and games, needs ever more free time to waste on options and games and wild consumption because the system produces free production by the boatloads, produces and can potentially produce way more than can ever be consumed by the boatloads. Just think, how can there be so many trillions of dollars floating around in the world banks and all, when so few people do any real work at all, most are just producing fluff (all the Information Workers, producing Symbols which are really ZERO REAL PRODUCTION, they are not cars which is REAL PRODUCTION) and working make believe jobs, go figure.

And the system is tuned and optimized to eliminate jobs, and all of the Innovation and Research and "More education" will only serve to eliminate as many jobs as possible, the system's real goal is to kill jobs, kill ever more jobs by using robots, automation, optimization, by using "Innovation" to find "new ways to produce" and do things "with less cost" hence, somewhere down the line with less jobs, ever fewer, and in fact this is the real sign of progress and value of all of our Innovation, Technology, Research and Education: how many more jobs can you hack, how much more can you achieve with fewer and fewer people needing to be paid, how much more profit can the few hands governing the production process hog up, by killing ever more jobs.

And yet, all the economists, politicians, thinkers, you name it keep on chanting the fairy tale of "job creation", "less taxes will create jobs, "more education and innovation will create jobs", you name, the more false and idiotic the relationship the more they chant it and believe in it. Incredible, our present Technological Economy, and in the future ever more, has absolutely nothing at all to do with jobs, and will have ever less to do with jobs and ever more to do with simple Status Relationships, Power Relationships, just pure power, who owns and controls what, who can hog money on one side or another, independent of any "effort", or "hard work" or "jobs" all the 18th century thinkers love to keep on blattering.

Just 1 trillion dollars of debts (and the USA, EU and JAPAN have more than 20 trillions of dollars that must be "paid back") to be paid back must be equivalent to 10 million jobs being paid 10,000 dollars a year for 10 years: exactly what manipulations, what informational or physical transformations will those "new jobs" imply ? Exactly what input -> manipulation -> output will 10 million people do 8 hours a day, everyday, for ten years that is equivalent to that 10,000 dollars a year salary (which by the way, is a very high salary worldwide) ? Nobody ever answers, nobody knows, everyone believes the "Invisible Hand of the Market" will "create them", the same hand that is hosing as many possible jobs as it can to increase profit, go figure.

We need Scott Free Handouts, 800 dollars a month to billions of people worldwide and cheap rents, 200 dollars a month to rent a 3 bedroom house all over the world, AMEN. And huge public - private projects, TRILLIONS OF SKYSCRAPERS, TRILLIONS OF ROCKETS TO MARS, WHAT I HAVE BEEN REPEATING FOREVER, BUT NO ONE IS LISTENING, AND NO ONE IS DOING WHAT I DEMAND, DO IT JACKASSES ! JUST DO IT ! GIVE ME MY SCOTT FREE HANDOUT AND TRILLIONS OF SKYSCRAPERS AND ROCKETS TO MARS. JESUS CHRIST, I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT IDIOTS THE GOVERNMENTS OF THIS WORLD ARE!

noteable quote:

More importantly, Jerry - asoka., sometimes known as "the resident impediment" is twisting and spinning YOUR words, Jerry - to impede dialog.

thanks P2C!
years ago Qtip noted the same.

"...But rackets as grand and insolent as these would not be possible, except in a culture so estranged from truth that anything goes over without notice." -JHK

Speaking o' which, how do the markets manage to be (year-to-date) UP with these looming specters?:

"Here's a little overview of the year-to-date performance of some of the major global banking stocks on December 29, 2011, before the opening bell:

BofA: -60.38%
Citi: -44.76%
Goldman Sachs: -46.41%
JPMorgan: -23.03%
Morgan Stanley: -45.24%
RBS: -50%
Barclays: -34.32%
Lloyds: -63.02%
UBS: -29.33%
Deutsche Bank: -28,55%
Crédit Agricole: -56.04%
BNP Paribas: -37.67%
Société Générale: -59.57%"

(From today's Automatic Earth.)

http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2011/12/december-29-2011-trends-2012-end-of.html

Might there be some shadowy "fiddling" going on behind the curtain?

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana

Thanks for the memories. I remember laughing at people sitting in gas lines in the 70's as I rode my bicycle past them. Ever since reading TLE, I've arranged things so that I am not directly dependent upon a car. Of course, since I don't grow 100% of my own food, I'm indirectly dependent upon our current transport system.

Asoka has to explain how letting in millions of desperate job seekers and adding to the already existing millions of desperate job seekers (when our corporate titans were offshoring millions of jobs) is in any way in the interest of people immigrating. Or in the interest of those already here.

What's that you're saying? These immigration policies depress wage rates in the US?

What else? It relegates millions of newcomers to shit jobs earning shit pay? Not like in the 1940s, 1950s and 1960s when jobs were plentiful?

So what do you figure? Who benefits? What's that you say? The people that benefit from depressed wage rates and desperate job seekers are the top 1%? And Wall Street?

By GeorgeI think you're onto something here.

I guess the question for our friend Asoka is why is he advocating for the interests of Wall Street and the top 1%?

The question is also what is Asoka's interest in advocating these immigration policies.

Maybe Asoka should explain himself. Because what he advocates is seriously fucking up a lot of people's lives.

Curtain? What steekin' curtain? Pay no attention to those men /women behind the curtain. It's all good people! The only fiddlin' I want to hear is "Papa John Creach"

Vlad,

I am being quite serious here. Since you feel so strongly about your cause, and you consistently invoke the qualities of courage, honor, bravery as it pertains to the "White Race", why not spread your message from your own blog? You have an unwavering passion and commitment to the cause of "the White Race" - it's basically all you write about. In fact, you dominate the rap, Jack, week after week, month after month here on CFN. Due to your dire assessment of the "the numbers" and white decline, the cause you constantly champion is in urgent need of a voice with a certain literary charisma along with an idiosyncratic mode of articulation and who better than you Vlad? You would have a built-in audience willing to follow you from CFN. And on those very slow first days, when the cause seems dire, Anti-Soak would eagerly drop to his knees and perform fellatio on your ego.

You can do it Vlad. Remove the mask of anonymity just as Robert The Bruce did. Leave forever behind the seat of the second floor balcony from which you safely hurl your racial epithets and come forth into the spotlight to man the podium of White glory. And just think of the Teutonic female groupies who would drool over the white highlight on your long forehead...never again would you have another lonely night here on CFN.

As you constantly mention it looks bad for the "White Race", Vlad. Surely the cause requires your strength of conviction along with your tailor-made skills to match in the age of the internet. I am going to miss your writing but now is the time for to start taking yourself seriously Vlad. The "White Race" is depending on you.

Charleston, SC? Try the Ocala, FL region. Talk about a CLF. I'll take rural New England any day over those cesspools.

Pucker right now Obama is staying in a $10 million private residence during his 17 day South Pacific vacation. He doesn't need our lousy $3.00.

Hey Asoka how about if Tebow was praying to Vishnu or Buddha? Would that square it in your book?

--WSP7

lol!

All due respect to Papa John, the "other" type of fiddlin' going on behind said curtain is killin' us by degrees. ;o)

Ps,
Gun-smithing tools, eh?
You'll definitely have to show me how those be "fiddled" with! (Another skill I sadly lack.) :o)

Hey Alexandra from what I can gather you have your own problems over there in Britain every bit as vexing as ours. As a matter of fact, just yesterday I saw more video of bearded muslims in the center of London making incendiary public speeches about bringing down the British Government and invoking shariah law. And that's just for starters. Maybe you should worry about that and not Sarah Palin, who, as far as I know, is not a candidate for any public office this election cycle.

--WSP7

Pretty good post about Dixie, Ozone. It kinda reaffirms Jims portrait of the Southeast in TLE. That was written 7 years ago and it is most likely worse now.

--WSP7

"And the ruling class will never share.
So it's time for OWS, etc, to truly stand up for the working class and oppose further immigration."

Um, that would be the difference between you and me, Prog.

My solution to a greedy ruling class who are destroying the ecosystem and the lives of millions of humans is to slap their greedy little hands and tell them - "No, bad overlords! No more cookies!"

You'd do it to a greedy 2-year old, but faced with insatiable greed in adults, your choice is to turn on people worse off than you, so as to get their .05% share, instead of stopping the greedy from taking 80% of the wealth.

I find that weird. There is no way that I would suggest that to the Occupy movement, or the Green Party.

Sorry.

RipT

Gun smithing tools. Lucky you!! That's what I call a gift. Nothing like them except perhaps jewelers tools. Precision screwdrivers, brass hammers, a small vice, a micrometer or two ... It can run into some money so you have to accumulate that stuff over time. But it lasts forever. I've done some shade tree gun smithing myself. Strictly an amateur, you understand, but a nice way to spend in the back on a summer day.

--WSP7

So we have take from the rich and give to the illegals? Mexico has very strict immigration laws. As does every other viable nation. But as a Commie, you don't like nations to begin with...

Sorry you're so filled with hate that you use quotation marks to describe your own people. That is truly sick. A people who don't really exist don't have any rights either. And you may have noticed that our rights are increasingly defined in terms of groups not individuals. And I'm sure if you were a minority you would have mentioned it by now. So you bite your nose to spite my face.

Better buy a skull at an art supply store and start practicing.

No, Vlad.

You know that's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying that the profit motivated system is not working for us. Not for the 1%, and now not for the .09%, as Max Keiser points out that they are now firing brokers, and John Corzine stole money from the .09%, to give to the .01%.

They are eating their own, but first they are destroying us, and the ecosystem we depend on for life.

We need to democratize and localize and downsize.

I'm actually not real hopeful. As Martin Luther King, Jr. pointed out years ago, sometimes in human history there is such a thing as "too late".

It just may be too late.

But people like you are impediments to building a better society, because you are so twisted by hate and fear.

But there are millions like you, carefully taught to hate and fear by the corporate media, especially Fox News.

Too bad. We had a great country.

In Britain, an estimated 180 pensioners died every day last winter from the cold - the highest rate in Northern Europe. Now since young White Couples wait for years to get housing but immigrants from South Asia get housing within weeks of arrival, I wonder which elderly people are falling thru the cracks? I bet it's old White People, right?

You people are practicing a stealth genocide.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/cold-kills-180-british-pensioners-a-day-during-winter.html

You don't believe we had a great country. That's BS. I hope you're sincere about keeping the aliens out and honoring the local. But after all your talk about Libya, granny having 14 abortions, etc - who knows what you really believe. Marxism is profoundly anti-local, anti-individual, anti-nation, anti-White, etc.

I'm for Ron Paul, who is hated by the Fox Neo-Cons. He's not perfect - doesn't understand borders, etc but he seems to be his own man.

Check this out: English Veteran and girlfriend kill themselves - couldn't take another winter of freezing. They fell thru the system while the Muslims have masses of kids on the backs of the English People. Alexandra and her Ilk have alot to answer for.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2059238/Army-veteran-Mark-Mullins-wife-Helen-driven-suicide-poverty.html

Slap their greedy little hands? Or crush their hands in vises? Or put bamboo splinters under their fingernails and light them? Or smash their hands with a sledge hammer?

All Communist methods of social discipline for "Capitalist Pigs" and devout Christians.

She says Im a 'Bircher' [meant as an insult]
who lives in a fantasy land,
see our posts earlier this week if ya care to!

Ill watch Maher when hell freezes or he draws cartoons online that mock mohamed!

You never cease to amaze me..
how do you know all this stuff?
Do you stay online24/7?

Its to get worse Vlad....the poverty, immigrants, world population, get whitey attitude..
you can read it here, from whites yet!

maybe koch and george will split the American pie..
50/50..
BYE BYE AMERICAN PIE~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Soros Monitor
www.sorosmonitor.com/
There are three billionaires, George Soros, Peter Lewis and John Sperling who have ... You see, if you buy Progressive auto insurance, when you send in you

AND Buck Stud happy holidays,you ahole.

Well they could just "BE" or be God. Or so alot of people think who don't have much feel for subject, have big egos, or have had bad experience with organized religion and are thus stuck in reaction. Anyway, after that clarification I think we're on the same page but we'd have to talk for awhile to see how each of us use certain terms, etc.

I'm amazed at the reactions I get sometimes from Liberals from the most innocuous commonsensical things like "Past behavior is the best indicater of present and future behavior". Wtf? From their reaction you would have thought I had just given my endorsment of determinism or predestination in going to hell. I mean what the fuck do they believe? That people are free or all equally free? The smarter and more informed you are, the more you can fight propaganda and those who seek to program you. The more aware you are, the more you are able to fight your own blind reactions and emotional complexes. You'd think Dale at least would undertand these things. But no.

The 'Alexandras' of the free world are merely lobsters in a pot of ever warming water.
Her finger pointing [at us in the repub-lukan USA]
wont save her in the end.
Indeed if she yells 'stupid paki' she may end up like Emma West........check her rant on youtube.

Its priceless...you too f-kstud ..check it out.

I have good servants: White Nationalist sites provide me mostly all I need to know. The Men's Rights site the The Spearpoint is very good too. The Vault tells me what I need to know about possible Earth Changes and Federal outrages.

I don't get around to good sites like World Net Daily, Drudge, or What really happened, etc - except when the Vault links to them. Go to Alex Jones now and then.

My brother sent me these horrific links about the elderly freezing to death in the U.K.

'laughing at people sitting in gas lines in the 70's'
yes, but food travels 200 miles to yr table.
Its no laughing matter.

Well, sorry that's not gonna work out for him (and, by proxy, us), but when it's your [admittedly, lousy] JOB to splatter fecal matter all over a blog in an attempt to drive people away gagging in disgust and horror, there's just NO TIME to become a blo[g]viating hero!

The chimp must Fling away, fling away. Being a traitor to your country and its' people is hard work, but hey, it's a paycheck. (Were I he, I'd start a campaign to outlaw streetlights; entirely too handy when found to be in the pay of the MIC.)

Wage supports Jill Stein - "green" candidate in favor of open borders. A dummy in other words.

Paranoia thy name is Ozone. Chimps? Cheetah was gay for Johnny Weismuller. Happy now?

These people are positively Zany. Ozone reminds me of Lucille Ball.

Jill does a bit of soft folksinging I believe. With her little bespeckled mousey face and soft voice and surrounded by all the good people with their strange fixed smiles, it's quite a rockin' scene. Ozone, you should do a duet with her.

Vladdie dearest, me thinks you doth white race demise, bleat too much, and really I know I should resist in even bothering to answer you... but then again it is the season for sharing!

UK based muslim and ethnic visitors do not hog all our social services, like Sarah Palin, you're most fond of relaying half-truths... we have a smug 110% whiter than white shade of work-shy pale faces, nay in-bred St. George flag clad under-class for that, whom claim free state benefits as a 'lifestyle' choice. These people, much like yourself 'shout' loudest about their collective lack of privileges...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1303439/Benefits-couple-claiming-30-000-11-children-ANOTHER-way.html

Our biggest city suburbs are besieged with them... so if a handful of dumb white folk, choose to opt out by committing suicide, or freezing to death, or getting wasted on booze & drugs, well at least it starts to take the pressure off our to date exponentially increasing UK welfare debt burden payment system...

And it doesn’t take a racial supremacist clairvoyant type of even the lowest iQ to accurately predict that a lot of very lazy, ill-fed, low grade white folk will increasingly fall of the cliff edge, in fact it will be the same deal for such types no matter which OECD they be currently based in... the free lunch period is for sure most over.

Ditto... also the to date free British NHS healthcare system too, it will be a pestilent disease ridden chaotic débâcle in less than a decade, with most antibiotics still available hopelessly inadequate in fighting the virals running free reign amongst the worn-torn wards. Quality doctors will have long fled to what will be a booming private sector.

Free anything in fact will increasing be avoided like the plague by those that can, but will be by decrepit default the very last resort of option for those too ill equipped to cope, can nots.

BTW you'd be amazed at how many white folk I know in the UK that are still doing very nicely thank you. Though its true most would be Country Alliance voters, and have an equine bent for sure, much like my beloved sister does. Yes we were both out with the local hunt on Boxing Day... so it does always make me pi## my pants when you accuse me of being a bleeding heart liberal...

*sniggers*

Be seeing you...

The thing about the white race mixing with the other races and becoming a minority next century (as if everything will just hum right along as usual here in the USA-not!), is that we will all be dead, and the people that will be here will be mixed and will find nothing wrong with that.

So why all the angst about the future in which you will not live?

Huh? Asia, Marlin and Vlad? What's the big deal?

In one hundred years, there will be all different people on this planet, than there are now.


Absalom said:
Eleuthero, why don’t you cite your sources, instead of suggesting others embark on a wild Google goose chase to support your view for you?
********************************************

You're just another windbag who LIVES on this site and who, like Asoka, demands "sources". Go find them yourself. I've looked them up ten times over and have no use for assholes like you who refuse to admit the obvious: That crime in various communities (black, Hispanic, Muslims in Europe) are absurdly high.

Don't bug me junior. You're just another dumb liberal waster. You're the kind of guy who would demand I find "sources" for the most sublimely obvious facts. Do you demand proof that I need oxygen to breathe?

You're another nattering Asoka ... every time an opinion is uttered that's not to your liking you demand that other posters supply footnotes. If you don't know, PRIMA FACIE, that Muslims in Europe (and blacks and Hispanics in America) are committing an incredibly disproportionate percentage of violent crime, then you cannot find your own ass with both hands.

Do your own legwork. Gawd ... that's all this fucking site needs is another Asoka who writes 100-200 posts per week and who requires "sources" for obvious and uncomfortable facts. I've seen your clones on blogs a thousand times over. Your next tactic will probably be to bog down discussions about "definitions" of obvious words.

Get lost or stolen.


E.

The quotations marks do not denote hate for the "white race"; they merely indicate differing interpretations. Your interpretation is one race in a monolithic goose step; mine is something far closer to reality.

When are you going to realize that "The Ideal" is nothing but a breathless pose waiting for the curtain to drop? People of all stripes have lives to live and living a life implies co-mingling.

I notice you did not step up to the plate for your precious white race in peril. Oh well, the white race's loss is my gain. And now that we know that you're not that serious about the cause you continually banter on about, I can enjoy your posts for what they are: Seal with a ball on his nose entertainment.

OK, BUT from Brits I speak to UK is in a dire depression and admitting 1 or 2 MILLION immigrants a year? NO?
Also you lousy Brits are not welcome in our Visa Lottery.
CHEERS!

RE: 'dumb white folk'...Gee methinks the gal protest a bit too much. Check the mirror for'dumb white folk'.

In the long run ..we are all dead.
Whats the point yr making?
If its that Im against mixed marriages, No..never stated that here or anywhere.

Just another duck, dodge, and sidestep. You have nothing Eleuthero. You are an in-effectual never was, a bitter community college instructor at best, never an erudite as you claim.

Statistics for crime are always greater for those concentrated at one end of the socioeconomic spectrum. There are explicable reasons for this, but arguments of racial superiority or inferiority based on such statistics are non-starters. Don't be sad E, DISCERNING readers of this blog now see the pathetic, scared little man that you are.

Consider your LEGS chopped, or lost or stolen, if it serves your forever bruised ego. I've dispatched you either way.

ABSALOM

Why then do 1 in 3 [or 4] Black males have at least one felony while say 2 generations ago [40 years] US Black males did not?

'Statistics for crime are always greater for those concentrated at one end of the socioeconomic spectrum. There are explicable reasons for this'
Such as?

Great post E but Abs is here, perhaps for the long term.

I like this post so I saved in it a word doc on my laptop...maybe Abs and Alexandra can have tea in a bad part of London...where Sharia is indeed the law.

The courts say reinterpret the Obvious until its
uh..something more to their liking.
OK you white nazi?

You said to ProgorCons...

My solution to a greedy ruling class who are destroying the ecosystem and the lives of millions of humans is to slap their greedy little hands and tell them - "No, bad overlords! No more cookies!"

You'd do it to a greedy 2-year old, but faced with insatiable greed in adults, your choice is to turn on people worse off than you, so as to get their .05% share, instead of stopping the greedy from taking 80% of the wealth.

You know, ever since my new understanding of human evolutionary biology and the fact that it basically reduces most or all sweeping human activity (particularly at the 0.01% level) to the base level of 5 year old children squabbling on a playground, it is stunning how modern hypercomplexity can be factored out and reduced like an algebra equation until something simple remains. "x=4"

As regards to your comment to ProgorCons, the answer is amazingly simple, childish and play-groundian. It also applies to the vast vast VAST majority of humanity (likely including me and a vast majority, if not all, CFNers) and clearly explains yet another aspect of 8000 years of human history.

Simply put: Angry people lash out at the poor and the weak in response to being robbed, injured, or otherwise subjected to blatant injustice by the 0.01% Aristocracy, because it's the easiest way not to get hurt or otherwise inconvenienced.

In a general, overarching societal sense, it sure is easy to beat up on the poor and weak, physically, economically, psychologically and any other way. Doubly so, since the "bandwagon effect" combined with this near-universal human trait swiftly musters legions of authoritarian followers and others who want to strike at their tormentors, but also don't want to get hurt or battle in a close contest against other "strong" people, like Richie Rich and his Army of Mercenary Meatheads, plus the usual assortment of Tony Baloney corrupt LE.

This provides the illusion of action and retribution against torment and injustice, while at the same time STRENGTHENING the aristocratic tormentors responsible in the first place.

It happens over and over and over again with such universal predictability that it seems certain that JHK's dream of plebian revolution againt our "betters" is just that...a dream with no basis in historical reality, an absolute outside longshot of the 100 to 1 order versus the virtual certainty that if and when the American Subjects ever wake up, they will be pointed toward their murderous mission with Fox Newsian ease, most never asking a question or having a troubling thought, which they will medicate away with both psychiatric drugs and Corporate-State-Propaganda, if such unhappy thoughts should come up inadvertantly.

I mean, what's the alternative? Fighting someone who fights back? Fuhgeddaboudit.

As it always was, it will continue to always will be, apparently, until we barely evolved monkeys destroy ourselves, be it in 100 or 10,000 years.

I cannot predict the final shape of the trend here in the former USA. The only thing I can say about the Final Destination (or Solution, if you will) the former USA seems certain to be headed is that it will have much better PR to grease the wheels of it's homeland murder machine, once it gets up and truly running.

We won't explicitly murder our victims, we'll just set them up to die, then let them. Then, as with the Native Americans to whom "Love, American style" was first practiced upon, the 0.01% and their legions of slavish followers will curse and denigrate the dead as having deserved their fate, those lazy bastards.

"Them Liberals and poor people die off so often at the Comcast AT&T HappyTimes FunTwinks Economic Sanctuary Zone because they are lazy and aren't used to work."

Hannity, if he's still around, should have a lot of fun with that one.

That, and the national fleet of yellow schoolbusses. Something about that keeps flittering around my head, knowing our RW Corporate Socialists can't use rail cars to transport prospective "clients" to the "Economic Sanctuary Zones" because their predecessors, the RW German National Socialists, spoiled the PR on that move.

But yellow schoolbuses are diesel and therefore made for TLE as they can be run on biodiesel. They also carry warm childhood rememberences for a vast majority of the American Subject Populace. Not to mention the color yellow has some very soothing and positive psychological connotations for most people, and that's a PR coup that can't be sold short, just ask any Neuromarketer.

NOT to ProgorCons: This is not a personal slight on you personally, it just so happens that Wage made the comment to you which caught my eye. It could have just as easily been someone else. So, please don't go to the time and trouble of reaffirming your bravery or willingness to fight TPTB to me, because my reply was about masses of people, not individuals.

ProgorCons, I do agree generally with your immigration views, but that is not germane to this aspect of the discussion.

Whups. My second-to-last paragraph meant to say "NOTE to ProgorCons:"

One last postscript...

Yes, there have been a very few exceptions to this mass psychology of humanity. The American, Russian, French, and Chinese Revolutions plus the Haiti Slave Rebellion.

That FIVE in EIGHT THOUSAND YEARS of what has essentially been a giant Slave Labor Camp for 99% or more of people who ever lived, probably more when considering the whole shebang.

And let's not forget, the Russian Revolution begat Stalin, the French Revoltuion begat Napoleon, the Chinese begat Mao and the Haitians, well, they never had a chance. For delivering their one shining blow to European Aristocratic Monsters, their nation was punished and stunted without let up to this very day.

And the American Revolution? Look how that's ending up. Right back to the 1376 Feudal Europe, we go! Right back to rule by power and not law, mass inequality, mass injustice, the tragedy of the commons, and millions of lives destroyed in wars that are no more than a posionous combination of ruthless machiavellian resource grabs and the old-timey Aristocratic games of grab-ass with we Peasants as the toy soldiers and bullet-shields.

Personally, I'd rather be a Colonist in 1768 than be an American Subject in 2100. It's a virtual certainty that the Colonist had more freedom than the poor bastards in 2100 will have, plus no ubiquitous surveillance, corrupted Corporate-State-Run-Media or Police State Bully Rule.

You deserve to freeze/starve in an unheated apartment - the same fate to which you so gaily consign your own people. I'd pay money to see that, you worthless Snigger Nigger. The Anglo/American upper class will go down as the among the worst in human history - right up there with the Russian Communist Inner Party.

Your lack of loyalty for your own Race - the Race whose hard work, daring, and courage in battle enabled you to have a chance at a good life simply staggers me. Listening to Lena Horn or Bobby Brown isn't give you back the soul that you've lost.

Co-mingle? Why don't you buy a house for $50 in the middle of Detroit and write about your co-mingling experiences you jackass.

See, Vlad, when I accused you of watching Fox News, you denied it, and I accepted your word and apologized for assuming it.

You don't have the integrity or honesty to do the same. (Must be those superior White morals?)

Instead you make things up, terrible, disgusting things, attribute them to me and then berate me.

Actually, I would never slap a 2 year old. I don't believe in child abuse. I was talking to Prog, who is a southerner. Southerners are prone to casual brutality towards their children, and, even if Prog doesn't himself, I knew that he would get the reference.

I wouldn't even give a 2 year old cookies. Only organic, stone-ground, whole wheat flour baked goods, naturally sweetened.

Duh.

Blah-blah-Blah-blah-Blah-Blah....

Well obviously those born "mixed" might not find anything wrong with it - but think of the hideous life the poor White Woman lived, fallen so low and having to live in ghetto with people who mostly despised her.

It's only now in our decay that White People accept the mixed. In functioning civilizations, such as China, Japan, and Korea - they are tabu and are persecuted.

That's how these Civilizatons have lasted thousands of years. Do you really think they would last or continue to "be" China, Japan, or Korea if they allowed millions of Blacks in? You have no understanding of the subtleties that create Civilizations. All you can see is bread and soup. Civilization is a thing of the Spirit.

And what is it with Christians and their fascination with torture and abuse?

Mel Gibson's movie, The Passion of Christ, was said to be almost pornographic in its sado-masochism. The Left Behind books and video cover in savage detail the travails that their Lord and Savior will inflict on the heretics, gays and liberals.

Is the unseemly fascination with hurting people the reason why so many prominent Christians are found to frequent prostitutes with their kinky persausions?

And glory in the death and destruction that they visit upon people in other countries?

There is something really wrong with that.

You deny Communists have done all these things? Duh yourself.

For the record: I do watch Fox News. I practice the art of discerment, carefully separating their wheat from their chaff. Of course sometimes they just disgust me - no mention at all of turning America into a battlefield and the new right to inter citizens. None.

" Your lack of loyalty for your own Race - the Race whose hard work, daring, and courage in battle enabled you to have a chance at a good life simply staggers me. "

My lack of loyalty? You're the one too chickenshit to go public and defend the honor of the "Great White Race". Daring and courage in battle, and yet Vlad Krandz curls up in the far corner of the internet, a quivering heap afraid to walk the talk he extolls.

You've been unmasked coward, noW put that ball back on your nose and get back to entertaining me...SNAP TOO!

Yes, people are depressingly easy to manipulate.

Have you seen the movie "The Century of the Self"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IyPzGUsYyKM

A fascinating explanation of how we got to this predicament.

OK, then you lied before.

Honesty is a virtue, Vlad.

I daresay it's more of a virtue than pride in your skin color.

So Terminator, Rambo are unpopular in Asia,
it being a Non Christian place?
I understand yr fingerpointing but have to disagree.

Wage -
This discussion has been a complete set of non sequiturs to me - so I had to look back midstream, and see what you were trying to tell me.

"Dee and I don't believe any of that. We see that immigration serves the interests of the ruling class, not the rest of us. And therefore, that immigration will be allowed."
-wage-

So, OK, WageLaborer says that immigration serves the interest of the ruling class. She argues that "immigration will be allowed," as an unstoppable force, willed into existence by the ruling class of the United States or perhaps the ruling class of the Entire World.

Then, our Wage, who's very existence is devoted to opposing the Ruling Class - responds to my question as to why OWS or the California Green Party shouldn't change their stance and support reductions in immigration:

"I find that weird. There is no way that I would suggest that to the Occupy movement, or the Green Party.
Sorry."
-wage-

I'm sorry too, Wage. You are on record, here on CFN as, kinda-more-or-less, being opposed to high immigration into the US. I think.

But you don't think the Greens or OWS should oppose high immigration.
And YOU are the one who convinced me that there is power in group action.

Did you change your mind on immigration?
Or what? What gives?


100 years ago you wouldn't have been accepted into the KKK, you Catholic heathen.

Look how standards have fallen! And yet, you never complain about that.

You constantly proclaim the intellectual superiority of the the white race, yet, of the racists here, only you can white a coherent sentence.

Neworld, antisoak and julietta are barely coherent at their best.

And yet, like the herd animal that you, as a human, are, you align yourself with them. It's pathetic, really.

The only one who can write intelligibly is Marlin, who usually presents himself as a good ol' boy with an unhealthy fascination with guns, but occasionallly his Tourette's Syndrome kicks in, and he spews some racist rant that shocks the more genteel on this blog.

The funny thing about him is, he's not white. He says he's Portugese, married to a Spaniard.

He's not one of us, Vlad.

Actually, the Greens advocate the end of NAFTA and stopping the dumping of subsidized corn into Mexico, so that Mexicans will be able to live in their own country without starving.

You just want to attack them here.

Again, I am focused on the criminals responsible for ALL of our plights, not fellow victims.

And you make a great leap by saying that the ruling class is for immigration, and I am against the ruling class, therefore I should spend my time and energy railing against immigrants.

That doesn't logically follow, to me. I still focus on the criminals.

Hey Hancock!
No offense taken, in your response to Wage concerning her post to me. It was obvious from the git-go that you weren't talking just to me.

I have been talking about you though. Ozone posted a link about psychopaths in Corporate America. It's very good and I think you'll want to take a look at it. Go back to my post last week,
December 21, 2011 10:53 AM - and track back to find the link. You won't be disappointed.

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As far as the rest of this -
only one US president comes to mind as being more in favor of the "common man" at the expense of "the rich," and that was FDR.

I think that Jimmy Carter might have been a good one for this, had he won a second term. But the brainwashers and Authoritarians who came to power with the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980 - now have had too much time, too much technology, and too much money.

Their skills are perfected. I do believe we are on the downslope of the end of freedom in the US - whateverthehell freedom even means, any more.

And just wait until Obama's second term.
I'm afraid we ain't seen nothing yet.

One more thing I think you'd benefit from, is a close reading of John Michael Greer's posts on thaumaturgy, back a month or so ago.

Reluctantly, I'm seeing more and more evidence that you are right, you ol' Billy Yank, you.

Keep your powder dry, Hancock, and be thinking about where we should meet to begin planning our last stand against those Devilish Right Wing Authoritarians.

Best regards,
P2C

My granny who had 13 abortions was a right wing Christian, Vlad.

It's family legend how her sister, my great-aunt, screamed at Charlie Chaplin on a streetcar to leave her sister alone.

He had asked my grandmother out, and he was a communist, so when my nazi aunt found herself on the same streetcar with him, she went all ballistic on him.

So your point, once again, is wrong.

"You just want to attack them here."
-wage-

Wage, for about the millionth time - I do not want to "attack them here." I just want them to quit coming here - all of them, illegal AND legal.

As long as the US population stays on its present grow, grow trajectory - nothing will improve for the 99% in the US.

And nothing will improve in the home countries of the emigres.

Bad people have to suffer - often for the sin of persecuting good people. You shall pay to the very last farthing for your involvement in the evil Communist Movement.

Repent now and then make ammends. Start by disavowing Stein and embracing Ron Paul.

You are crazy as a loon - Right Wing Christians don't have 13 (it used to be 14) abortions. And you think that the Right Wing Christians are Nazis? How revealing. Why can't you be a good woman like Julietta of Ohio?

Lied about what? Liars always call other people liars.

Stop them from coming? That's it? Let's get the ones all ready here out too.

Most of them will leave of their own accord once a National Policy is enforced. As for the others, deputize a hundred thousand White Men and the problem will be over in a week or two. Some disruption can be expected in the Agricultural sector but a massive Federal (I'm not against the Feds if they would work FOR Americans) Program (voluntary) involving Youths, the Unemployed, Convicts, should take up the slack until a more regular work force is back in place.

If the Goverment was respectful and ASKED us for help now and then - miracles might happen.

"democratic nazis- i mean underground..."
-Charles Fox Trot-

Son of a bitch, CF! You got banned from Democratic Underground. That is amazing. Truly.

I had never actually visited DU until you mentioned it on CFN this week. It looks like a Politically Correct circle jerk to me.

And a I checked out their "rules."
What a bunch of wieners!
Here's my favorite "rule."
"Democratic Underground has a team of volunteer moderators who delete posts and ban disruptors. Their job is extremely difficult, and it is made even moreso when DU members post messages in public second-guessing their decisions or accusing them of bias. Please do not post messages complaining about rule enforcement, except in the Ask The Administrators forum. Do not accuse the moderators or administrators of bias. Do not 'call-out' the moderators/administrators over specific enforcement action."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html
Lord o' Mercy! And THESE are the people who are supposed to save us from the Right Wing Authoritarians?????

"Stop them from coming? That's it? Let's get the ones all ready here out too."
-vlad-

Not going to happen, Vlad. You can advocate for it, but it's not going to happen.

Hell! Nothing is going to happen.

The people who should be concerned about immigration - the Greens, the leftists, the Labor Unionists, etc.

Those people sold their souls to Politically Correct Claptrap, years ago. Look at what Wage just said about immigration to me. She'd rather spend her time in a Quixotic pursuit of the 1%, than lobby her organizations for a change in policy to benefit the 99%.

Amazing.

Don't forget the no penicillin part of medieval living. As the British character actor C. Aubrey Smith once told David Niven, if he could have lived in any period in history he would've chosen the late Victorian era when the British Empire was at its peak, but only if he could take some penicillin back with him in the time machine.

That's not what Wage said. Wage, very correctly identified the cause of the problem, while you identified just one of the symptoms. But Wage does not go far enough, not really knowing history to the extent that I do. You can't properly understand the present unless you properly understand the past. And the past has largely been hidden from us by a deliberate effort to instill ignorance of it. There was a 30! year war following the Protestant Reformation. This marked a respite from the VATICAN DARK AGES. But the war never really ended. The war continues on under different guises and under different proxies, with more and more ground being lost to the forces of darkness, ignorance, totalitarianism, who have mastered the art of deception and Machiavellianism. EVERYONE HERE needs to learn this. EVERYONE in the world needs to learn this. Or we are doomed to return to the DARK AGES.

Vatican Assassins - Eric Phelps on the Jesuits Part 5 - YouTube
- goo.gl/PHlCQ

This is a must watch!

'Neworld, antisoak and julietta are barely coherent at their best.

And yet, like the herd animal that you, as a human, are, you align yourself with them. It's pathetic, really.'
No you are pitiful..
[and I need to get away from this blog]


I worked for ten years at the Stanford Research Institute and the author of a programming text given a 5-star rating on both Amazon and Slashdot. I help thousands of people get into universities, graduate programs, and jobs.

Yeah, my life is worthless. I knew that my initial suspicions about the NATURE of your "agreements" with me would come to fruition. You're another cookie-cutter blog doofus who has nothing better to do than write a thousand posts.

Look, shit-for-brains, if you can't find rates of violent crime for yourself in all your favorite demographic groups in a TRICE, you're a twit. You came to this site after other people and myself had posted such statistics many, many times over. Just because you're a newbie we "owe" you bupkus.

I've followed your screeds with others on this site and you're just a brainless follow of "isms". I have many disagreements with Vlad, but he's a man of depth and letters compared to you. He's a WORTHY adversary. You are an effete dimbulb who spends his days here while telling people like me that they are phony after a LIFETIME of accomplishment. What a maroon.


E.

"El Toro", what do you call the crimes committed by the likes of Jeffrey Dahmer, who is very common specimen among the "white race"? Is that not a violent crime? How many such crimes have been committed by Blacks? What do you call the crimes committed by the nazi US military criminals or the nazi NATO criminals? Are these not violent crimes? How many such crimes have been committed by Black armies?

The fact is, the "white race" is the most criminally inclined race of all of the races. Its whole savage history is marked by one gruesome genocide after another. History will not forget and will not be forgive you for this. It can't afford to. You will be vomited out of existence. Mark my words!

ProgorCons, old chum, I think I'd secretly hoped that you'd convince ME that I was extreme and reaching.

As I have said to many people in the real world and here over the last two years, Obama proves pretty conclusively that there is no hope, and sure as shit no change.

For both parties, every answer is to increase corporate-aristocratic power, to shovel money at the 0.01%, to build an even deeper, more comical (at least to those few of us who haven't voluntarily joined Idiocracy) towers of lies built upon lies, and to prepare for the (hopefully) inevitable day that lower and/or middle class people fight back.

JHK had it spot on, "You see what happens: in the absence of the rule of law even prudent men turn to the reptile agencies of mind."

JFK, before HW Bush and his team (likely) splattered his melon, also said it true, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable."

http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/bushwarning.jpg

This is the driving reason behind the NDAA (inevitable peasant pushback), and it is no damned coincidence that it comes sharp on the heels of the first nationally coordinated sweep of Occupy.

Our Aristocrats absolutely ADORE the Teabaggers. A finer bunch of thoughtless, cruel, historically ignorant, weak-minded, easily lied to and manipulated buffoons hasn't been seen since the Brownshirts. Maybe the Soviet Comissar/Party types but as they are Lefties, the analogy doesn't make as much sense since both 21st Century America and Nazi Germany were/are Righties.

They will be extremely useful to their Overlords and Masters, but then, they always have been, whether burning "witches" in the 16th Century or sneaking up from behind and bashing the head of the caveman who asked why Og the Mighty ate all the food and decided who gets the scraps.

"Who made Og God? OG made Og God?"

That sad truth is that Og was and is correct. The same dynamic persists today.

8000 years is too short a timespan for humanity to have evolved even the tiniest bit. Thus, nothing has changed at bottom, just the layers of hypercomplexity, massive amounts of cheap energy, it's attendant technology. and of course the deep understanding of behavioral and mass psychology by the Aristocracy and their ability to massively deliver it to their victims via modern media saturation.

As to your criticism of the Liberal types over at DU, I can't disagree. As I have said before, it seems Liberalism screwed itself by abandoning economic justice and fairness for identity politics. And by trying to be so righteous and fair they became scared of their own shadows for being so "nice".

I remember a time when I was working on a Democratic Congressional campaign a few years ago and suggested at least delivering back a little of the vitriol the Republicans were directing at us.

"We don't want to make the Republicans mad," replied the young lady. I never felt so much like screaming in someone's face in many years. I didn't, but it felt like I popped a blood vessel swallowing my anger. My face must have been beet red - sure felt that way.

After a few seconds and I could speak without yelling, I said to her, "Maybe you should consider why you and our Party are so afraid of making the Republicans mad, but they fear making you and us mad not at all. I have to go home now."

I do believe that was the last day I ever worked on a Democratic Congressional campaign.

Now that it all has been revealed as a joke of a rigged puppet show, I wonder if the Left side of TPTB (at the top) purposefully tanked the game because the Commies were already obviously on their way to defeat and thus no more reason to treat we Peasants other than the lowly dogs the Aristocracy sees us as. So, it was time for the RW to take back over and pistol-whip the American Subjects back to the 14th Century, where our upstart asses belong.

But I digress. My point about DU is that in spite of your criticisms, these are the people primarily supporting Occupy. Not just with pointless blog posts, but with money and sometimes their bodies.

These are the people who woke up to what was going on in the wake of 9/11, and with all due respect, probably did it at a time when you were still cheering on the Afghan & Iraq Invasions.

They are the people who dug and uncovered so many RW Fox News lies, who exposed in detail the machanisms of their Nazi v2.0 Der Sturmer/Fox News propaganda machine, when CNN and MSNBC fell for the lies and double-standards time and time and time again, which they still do, only with a little more plausible deniability.

So, I cut DU some slack. To my way of thinking, for whatever faults they may have, they and people like them did us all a great service in standing tall when 90%+ people were cheering on the Patriot Act and all the rest of the precursors, without which Obama could NEVER have done what he's done to curtail our few remaining civil liberties. Hell, they were 95% gone by the time Obama got selected anyway. He just administered the fatal blow. None of it happens without 9/11 and Bush.

Just something to think about. And indeed, if you were a part of the 95%+ of Americans completely and totally snowed by the pre-Iraq lying propaganda, including Colin Powell reprising von Ribbentrop's role in the Poland invasion at the UN, then you have absolutely nothing to criticize them about.

In fact, and with all due respect, if what I said is even partially true, you should wish you were half as prescient as some of them.

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Finally, some comments on your comments.

I agree about Obama's second term, which is a virtual certainty because he has done such an excellent job for the Aristocracy and done it in such a way as to nullify opposition from the Left and Moderates, who likely would be taking to the streets in terror and anger if Bush/Cheney had passed the 2011 NDAA and half the tranparently tyrranical shit Obama has done.

But hey, since it's "our" guy, it's OK! Right?

On another topic, I did read JMG for awhile, but he didn't catch my interest the way JHK and some others have.

You said:

But the brainwashers and Authoritarians who came to power with the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980 - now have had too much time, too much technology, and too much money.

Their skills are perfected. I do believe we are on the downslope of the end of freedom in the US - whateverthehell freedom even means, any more.

Agreed.

Of all the scientific contributions America has made, perhaps the most significant would be our perfection of the Sciences of Lying, Decepetion, and Mass Manipulation.

hooray. so very proud.

Finally, because of you, Johnny Reb, I won't ever look at the Civil War quite the same anymore, because the undercurrent that it directly led to the Robber Baron era which has been revived today, so that is one seriously negative aspect of what was largely a just war.

Unintended consequences? Or intended? Do the Bilderberg RICO-conspiracies reach back that far? US Grant was bankrupted and pauperized by unscrupulous Wall Streeters late in life, thus the famous pictures of him dying of cancer in pain on his porch, furiously writing his memoirs to restore his family's fortune before he died.

Does that sound like the criminally incestuous, lucrative and corrupt close relationship between Obama or Bush and Wall Street?

Maybe it did all start in 1913 with the creation of the Fed, coincdientally followed swiftly by the War to End All Wars (now THERE'S some good PR!)

By the by, check out the movie Wage posted. It's long but worth watching, if only for the "lost" history in the first part.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IyPzGUsYyKM

i know, right?! thing is, most of the posts, and the comments had nothing whatsoever to do with the stated mission of replacing republicans with democrats- and comments quickly degenerated into either mutual stroking, or petty snarkiness about facts and semantics- wait, where have i seen that...anyway, i responded to a newslink about how carbon nanotubes were found in the lungs of first responders- and i d already seen a doc about thermite residue having been found in the remains of ground zero- so of course i immediately saw incontrovertible proof for what apparently is a divisive point of view...not trying to have the whole argument again, mind you, i respect all the reasons why some reject the possibility, but given the name of the blog i wouldn t have thought THAT would have got me kicked out turns out conspiracy is specifically not a topic of discussion- which i found out by reading all of the tsa...seems we re doomed if these are the kind of people in the democratic vanguard- not that i am all that enamored of the actions of any political party, at this point! figure i ll be voting with my 9s and my 44s from here on out: have something useful in your hands; you ll be visible for about 300 yards before you see me...

E, if you're saying that crime statistics alone prove that a given race is inferior to another, you're full of shit and nothing but a cherry picker.
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E wrote:

I worked for ten years at the Stanford Research Institute and the author of a programming text given a 5-star rating on both Amazon and Slashdot. I help thousands of people get into universities, graduate programs, and jobs.
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This doesn't make sense and it's not clear what your getting at. You seem to be saying, "I have credentials and authority, so believe me when I talk outta my asshole!" Anyhow, I've offered SEVERAL points of contention to your point of view to which you've side stepped EVERY ONE. I know your feelings are hurt, E. But throwing a tantrum and tossing me into some generic category of Liberalism only proves that you're an idiot.

So you don't want to offer me a reference, fair enough. It wasn't a demand, it was a challenge, and you backed down. But don't get mad that I offered material that would disconfirm your line of thinking, even with out seeing your stats. I made a legitimate attempt at an exchange of ideas with you, and you pussed out. As do all of the other fuktards you throw in with on racial debates. You never bothered to consider the material I submitted, or, if you did, didn't have the wherewithal to say, "hey, this is where the material you offered is incorrect and your understanding of it is wrong." Instead you abandoned the topic you, yourself, instigate and start cryin for someone to take your side and speak to your good name here on CFN. Bitch.

I've taken issue with both Libs and Cons on this site, albeit in an obnoxious way, but I've at all times been willing to eat my words and change my perspective given good cause. If you're supposedly a learned man, fight the fight, pussy. Don't cop out then cry that a newbie has knocked you off your pedestal. Oh, and as to your bogus resume screed: No amount of scientific eminence trumps scientific evidence.

Calculator boy, wipe your tears.

Since you lack the integrity to stay on point, this will be my last bother with the topic as I made a deal with BIll. But you and your bunch do this sidesteppin' shit all the time, then have the audacity to say, "My reputation precedes itself." Put the barrel of the shotgun in your mouth and pull the trigger already, adenoidal fool.

ABSALOM

Ron Paul said: "The one thing that is very important though -- there has never been in the history of mankind a slave revolt. That doesn't happen. What usually happened is that men of principle who are free, free the slaves and then they join the revolution."

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Talk about historical revisionism.

I guess Ron Paul has not heard of the Underground Railroad, Nat Turner, or Haiti. Paul seems about as smart as Bachmann.

I call him raped [by blacks?] in Juvenile detention or foster care..check the records and see if im right.

'seems about as smart as Bachmann.'
Which may be alot smarter than you.

'What gives?'
Shes too busy calling others here 'barely coherent'
[sic insane, delirious etc].

'You'd think Dale at least would undertand these things. But no.'
Methinks Dr Dale wants to admonish you, as he would a small truant child!

DETROIT, Anyone?

from SBPDL:


There are those who would blame white people for every problem in this nation.
Even white flight itself.
White flight is just a natural defensive mechanism to the escape the Black Undertow and the crime, property value drop, dereliction of infrastructure, and the decimation of the business district that follows this group.

In the coming weeks, Detroit will be taken over by the state of Michigan. Even though white people built a world-class city, full of architectural marvels that rivaled those found anywhere else on the planet, the Black people who inherited Detroit after the calamitous 'race'[black] war of 1967 (and the subsequent white abandonment of the city) have been unable to maintain a modicum of what they were unceremoniously bequeathed.

The Los Angeles Times bashed white people for the failure of the city, when it was white people ingenuity that was responsible for the greatness of Detroit in the first place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you really trying to say Cheney gave a *STAND DOWN* order on 9/11/01? Are you really trying to pretend, that even after the 50's/60's, when we had clear view of all aircraft over the US via RADAR, and when they dissolved all those RADAR platforms in the oceans in '63 due to AWAKS, that in the late 70's/early 80's we didn't have a GPS AWAKS system over the entire *PLANET*?

It's very ludicrous to believe that anything *EVER* could have penetrated Washington DC, since about 1980 or so. Yet, in 2001, *SUB-SONIC* aircraft did - and even hit the *PENTAGON*.

YOU ARE ALL ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL. WAKE THE FUCK UP.

Dear Eleuthero,

Don't bother about Aboslum. He has yet to write a word that would send me to the dictionary. The depth of your wisdom is a gift to this community.

SJmom

Winston Churchill tells the World of the leading role the Jews played in the Russian Revolution and subsequent atrocities.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/WSCwrote1920.html

??? i believe i have said before that i don t believe anything about the "official" story, because when i watched the event live, i saw the explosions, and recognized demolition when all three buildings collapsed at 9.8m/s/s into their own footprints...no lie told after the fact controverts what we call the laws of physics...and that hole in the pentagon was not caused by a plane; nor was that hastily dug ditch filled with rusty scrap metal...google 'loose change', there are many details which taken individually would constitute reasonable doubt; all together, they point to treasonous mass murder

Good article. Reminds me of a Black girl from Haiti in one of my classes. She blamed the United States for Haiti's plight: "The United States wont come and help us". But we have - three times I believe.

Blacks believe in the White Man's Burden. But they simultaneously consider themselves equal if not superior. Nor do they want to say thank you or feel any gratitude. Sounds like a bad deal to me. Sounds like they want us to be their slaves. I mean if you met someone who acted like this you'd stay the fuck away from them. Why should this be any different?

When you have a million+++ 6-fig-salaried-govt-stalkaz, it's very evident what the *OUTCOME* will be.

I seek someone to argue that the AWACS system from the 70's, in the same-said satellites that GPS navigation systems exist, for some reason *FAILED*. Or, someone to come forth and tell us how/why Cheney called out *STAND DOWN*.

It was very clear we infiltrated "terrorist" cells, and planted ideas - then let those ideas happen. Is that an INSIDE JOB?!?

C wut I did there?

Yes, destruction is easier than construction. Sure anyone can take something apart, but can they put it back together - much less have created it in the first place?

It took Michelangelo over twenty years to pain the Sistine Chapel but a madman with a hammer and can of spray paint could destroy it in a few minutes.

What took the White Man ages to create will be destroyed by Blacks and Browns in a few decades.


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177766

Already, in the three stooges economies, USA, EU and JAPAN, there are millions upon millions of idle people, pensioners, unemployed, people working fake jobs, you name it. No one is producing anything real or concrete anymore, it is all about "services" which means BS, crap, make believe stuff, financial gimmicks, banks, real estate bubbles, education (what on earth else must people be educated in ? what other new information is necessary ? when all of what is important has been the same for decades ? this huge BS of all these new "issues" and "studies" like "women's studies", or "psychology", you name it, fluff and crap, invent any crap and you are "education") you name it, "health care" (how to rip off as much money as possible on fake sicknesses, on all kinds of complications, pills, exams, checkups, you name, paranoia of all kinds of imaginary sicknesses, huge mega crap, etc.) a whole boatload of mega crap, all the millions working in "offices" as in office politics, all the "communications" between people wasting time talking (through cell phones, iphones, ipads, internet, etc.) about puny power struggles, marketing, how to sell imaginary "skills" and "value added" and such crap, kill them all, hate them with all your guts.

Just imagine how much real wealth you could get if you made all of those millions of idle people work in hobby factories just for fun, maybe just one or two hours a day instead of watching TV all day long, building 1966 oldsmobile 98s, skyscrapers, rockets to mars, you name it !

Now how can an economic system that doesn't produce anything anymore, that has almost everyone idle and wasting time just fighting each other for fun (like lawyers) have so many trillions of dollars floating around in banks ? Because the system generates wealth automatically, independent of any work, work has nothing at all to do with the Technological Economy, work is a ghost, a make believe fairy tale that justifies the rich hogging up ever more profit because people "don't work hard enough" (when in all truth there is nothing left to do, even if you wanted to).

No one is producing real things anymore, no one is producing concrete things, manufacturing where work really is work, achievment can be measured, you are really creating something like when you produce skyscrapers, cars, high speed trains, rockets to mars, etc. Everyone wants to waste time on imaginary "innovation" and "research" when all innovation and research that really counts is done and finished, there is very little real new discoveries that can be made (you can't discover electricity all over again or the Computer or Windows or the Internet, etc.), now it is all about applying the technology as in what do you want to do with the know how you got ? build supercomputers to exchange money and poker games or computers to go to mars and such ?

The only new discovery left is sticking wild stuff in brains and designing new brains to enter new worlds.

All services serve to just make believe that there is "work to do" when nothing is left to do, like health care, fixing broken people, that is a loss, that should be a huge loss, instead that generates trillions of dollars of "economic activity", go figure, what an idiotic economic system: but all the economists and politicians keep on pretending that there is a linearity between "work" and "wealth", nothing further from the truth, this system doesn't produce anything anymore, has millions upon millions already idle just sponging off the free money the Technological Economy generates automatically and asking for "jobs", imaginary jobs that will never come back unless you force them with huge public private projects, trillions of skyscrapers and rockets.

AN APE

Sounds like blaming the victim to me. Are you saying that all of the black people participated in the riots back in the mid to late 'sixties? Also, it should be evident at this point that everyone's definition of a "good" school is one which contains virtually no persons "of color". So in other words, swap the kids out between one exurban and one urban school and you have magically transformed the bad school into a good school and vice versa, without even swapping the staff, but only the kids. This is kind of like blaming the workers for the decline of the American auto industry when it was clearly management's fault that they were designing a crap product for so many decades. And yes, whites are responsible for white flight because at least here in Cleveland it was a white federal judge who found for the NAACP and handed down the court order which forced cross-town busing, something even the blacks disliked. By the way, the blacks also move to the suburbs to escape the Cleveland Public Schools although often to their own suburbs on the east side.

"A finer bunch of thoughtless, cruel, historically ignorant, weak-minded, easily lied to and manipulated buffoons hasn't been seen since the Brownshirts."

"The human race is what it is. There is no point, no profit in being frustrated with it. We just have to interact with people the best we can. We can’t effectively and honestly do that, if we disrespect them by thinking them idiots. They are not idiots, they are just outside their area of expertise.

John Taylor Gatto apparently agrees with me: “The shocking possibility that dumb people don’t exist in sufficient numbers to warrant the careers devoted to tending to them will seem incredible to you. Yet that is my proposition: Mass dumbness first had to be imagined; it isn’t real.” I didn’t believe this when I first read it years ago, but I understand what he’s getting at now.

Now, defective worldviews, which are the real problem here, are not perfectly immutable. They tend to break down when events overwhelm us. There are now a lot of people whose worldviews are breaking. The evidence is all around us with Tea Parties and Occupy movements. People are trying to form new worldviews to compensate for a reality that has whacked them like a 2x4 across the nose. Yes, they make missteps, and yes, the ruling class tries to co-opt them and funnel them into “safe” (for the rulers) paths, but this is just the beginning. It’s bound to accelerate as the empire crumbles and the dollar dies. We need to be ready for that, to help people find better worldviews with the aid of our hard-earned expertise, using tools like the Internet. No, we are not going to turn them all into political philosophers--but we don’t need to. To quote Mark Train again, "Education consists mainly of what we have unlearned."

Consider one historical event. I have read several times that people in America in the 1750s and 1760s considered themselves Englishmen and wanted desperately to be accepted by English society. How did this feeling morph into its complete opposite by so many people, in just 20 years, leading to successful armed rebellion? I think it was a shift in worldview. There can be huge, almost impossible-seeming changes to worldviews in a short period of time.

One other huge problem with the “people are idiots” meme that Gatto above alluded to is how seamlessly it feeds into the “people need to be taken care of” meme. He continues, “Once the dumb are wished into existence, they serve valuable functions: as a danger to themselves and others they have to be watched, classified, disciplined, trained, medicated, sterilized, ghettoized, cajoled, coerced, jailed.” If ever there was a meme that supports the state, it is this one."

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?57158-The-Problem-With-the-People-Are-Idiots-Meme

Ron Paul: Jews control everything.

Ron Paul: I will eliminate foreign aid including all aid to Israel.

Any doubts about Ron Paul's stupidity?

MD,
I'm finding the discussion between you and HC1863 to be thought-provoking (and therefor, of value).
Thank you both.
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No, we are not going to turn them all into political philosophers--but we don’t need to. To quote Mark Train again, "Education consists mainly of what we have unlearned." -MD

"If we'd been born where they were born and taught what they were taught, we would believe what they believe."-- A sign inside a church in Northern Ireland, explaining the origin of intolerance and hate -(from today's "header" on ICH)

(Personally, I've unlearned quite a few things I was taught, even in the time period of being a child. But AS a child, this path produced a lot of inner anxiety. That's what one gets for resisting social and familial conditioning. As social coherency is falling away at a more and more rapid pace, due mainly to the worship of Mammon and Material Comfort, it bothers me less and less. My resistance is being vindicated; and I'm just finding that sad for those who will have to 'unlearn' the hard way, as well as for me.)

Sounds like blaming the victim to me. -BHM

And, as you already know, that would be the whole point. Make sure the anger of the lumpenprole is directed at (and distracted by) the irrelevant/incorrect target, and one can steal the very earth from beneath their feet without notice.

...And, as a knock-on effect, we'll shortly see some very distractionary postings to turn us away from contemplations of terrible import and into the realm of blather. Just watch (casually).

"Now that it all has been revealed as a joke of a rigged puppet show, I wonder if the Left side of TPTB (at the top) purposefully tanked the game because the Commies were already obviously on their way to defeat and thus no more reason to treat we Peasants other than the lowly dogs the Aristocracy sees us as. So, it was time for the RW to take back over and pistol-whip the American Subjects back to the 14th Century, where our upstart asses belong."

I was just about to write this whole blog off, then you posted this, one of the best posts on here in a long time.

Thanks, maybe I'll come back to read some more.

There might be some home yet....

Well, 'cept for Vlad.

;)

Slightly off-topic, but right in JHK's wheelhouse, an idea to chew on from Dmitri O., in DIRECT contradiction of the transparent lies I'm hearing RIGHT NOW from NPR's Marketplace:

"There is no known method of scaling industry down to boutique size, to serve just the needs of the elite, or to provide life support to social, financial and political institutions that co-evolved with industry in absence of industry. It also bears pointing out that fossil fuel use was very tightly correlated with human population size on the way up, and is likely to remain so on the way down. Thus, it may not be necessary to look too far past the peak in global oil production to see major disruption of global industry, which will make other fossil fuels irrelevant."

Do you have any Small Change-that-you-can-believe-in? The smallest note that I've got in my wallet is a five dollar bill. Thanks.

"Pucker --

It's not all that often that Michelle and I get to host a casual meal with friends.

That's one of the reasons we're both excited about the upcoming dinner with three supporters and your guests.

It's the first one we've ever done like this together, and we'd love to have you and whoever you choose to join us.

Chip in $3 or whatever you can today -- and you'll automatically be entered to be one of our dinner guests.

I enjoy these dinners not just because they're a way to connect with supporters across the country.

They also say a lot about what kind of campaign we're running.

We don't take a dime from D.C. lobbyists or special-interest PACs -- never have and never will. Instead, we believe in the kind of politics that gives everyone a seat at the table -- so we're literally offering these seats at dinner to folks who are willing to step forward and be a part of it.

There are just a few days left to add your name for a chance to be one of our guests at the next dinner, and help build this campaign before 2012 finally arrives.

Make a donation of $3 or whatever you can today -- and automatically enter to be there:

https://donate.barackobama.com/Me-and-Michelle

Thanks,

Barack"


"We don't take a dime from D.C. lobbyists or special-interest PACs -- never have and never will. Instead, I make certain that my various bribes and lavish junkets are collected anywhere outside the D.C. incorporated limits. And although "we" don't take money from lobbyists and PACs, "I" do.

Thanks for your misguided but nonetheless, continued support,

-B.O., Presider-in-Chief over Collapse and Savior of the Uber-Wealthy

Well, we're not really having a conversation yet, but it just irritates me when people [ almost completely ] unknown, are denigrated for one thing they *may* have said or believe.

The above "quotes" attributed to Ron Paul are a perfect example.

Okay, I'll call it "commenting further on trenchant comments made". ;o)

Thanks for that, in any case.

(gotta git)


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177766

[quote="Stoic Guardian"]I don't think you really understand what you're talking about though about there being "no jobs" or that people ar actively working to eliminate jobs.

Your frustration also seems to be influencing you talk of this subject.

Though it is true that America has forsaken the manufacturing an industrial pontential that was essential for it to reach it's superpower status.

This is certainly something that should be remidied.[/quote]

The APE replies:

Actually I am the only one in the entire world that really knows what he is talkng about: all the decodings, explanations, theories of the economies are backed up by a completely static and well defined ideology that is decades old (an ideology that the once extreme "revolutionary left" called the "bourgeoisie ideology": An entire interpretation of all things social and economical according to a model that has been imposed by liberalism, capitalism, "hard work", linearity between "work and wealth", "competition", etc.) that always proposes the same old solutions and the same old interpretations to all things economical, like a total monolithic brainwashing.

This idea that for example "work creates wealth", "people must deserve it", "competition creates new jobs and wealth", "more innovation will create more jobs", "more education is needed", and so on and so forth according to a complete gospel repeated by every living soul on earth for decades results in no one ever really questioning all of these assumptions, all of these "laws of physics", all of these "apparent truths". And this non questioning makes all of the government proposals (all right wing, pro rich proposals) all of the proposals all the capitalist superstars propose like Steve Jobs (ironic name if ever), Bill Gates, etc. with their fairy tale myth that "you can do it too, you can invent the next new ipad and make billions too, you can innovate, research and discover electricity all over again, etc." are the only possible proposals imaginable. Cut salaries, fire workers, more "small businesses", etc. etc.

But all of this ideology serves to hide what this economic system really is and what it is really doing, what the real trends are, behind all of the BS, and the real trends are simply: WORK IS NO LONGER NEEDED. PERIOD. WORK AND LABOR IS USELESS, THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE AVAILABLE FOR LABOR AND WORK COMPARED TO WHAT THE ECONOMIC SYSTEM CAN POSSIBLE USE. PERIOD. THE SYSTEM HAS HUGE ECONOMIES OF SCALE, HAS OPTIMIZED PRODUCTION IN ALL ENDEAVORS, AND CAN FREELY GIVE OUT SCOTT FREE HANDOUTS TO ALL WITHOUT COMPROMISING ANYTHING AT ALL OF THE WORKINGS OF THE SYSTEM, AND INDEED, BY GIVING SCOTT FREE HANDOUTS, IT COULD INCREASE IT'S PRODUCTIVE OUTPUT BY ORDERS OF MAGNITUDES AND BECOME EVEN RICHER AND HAVE EVEN MORE EXCESS CAPACITY. WE NOW LIVE IN AN INFINITE RESOURCE SYSTEM AND SOCIETY. PERIOD.

But by saying this, you completely demolish all of the ideological construction both the right wing and left wing have been brainwashed with for decades: they just can't accept the reality that we are way too rich to know what to do with it, aside from creating huge financial turmoil and giving trillions of scott free handouts in terms of profits to the already super rich.

And the left and OWSers and such only criticize the status quo according to an even falser and worse ideology: the Resource Scarcity Myths chanting that there is "no more oil and energy" (never has there been a greater lie), that there are "too many people" (never has there been a greater lie), etc. That "consumerism" is bad, we must protect "nature", and an entire host of other idiotic truths that serve to maintain the status quo, just as much as those idiots that say the problems of unemployment is due to "people don't work hard enough".

All false, all lies, Oil is simply carbon chemistry, and science already and will have ever more substitutes for it, resources are infinite, just by building skycrapers you can increase the wealth of societies and have even more resources by the boatloads, etc. By space exploration and travel ever more resources can be found, nature is not a religion, it is a tool for us to use, we have huge excess capacity in terms of people, know how, technology, idle people, you name it to achieve anything at all.

But the starting point would be to give out: SCOTT FREE HANDOUTS TO ALL, 800 DOLLARS A MONTH AND CHEAP RENTS 200 DOLLARS A MONTH TO ALL JUST TO BEGIN. AND THEN HUGE PUBLIC - PRIVTAE PROJECTS LIKE TRILLIONS OF SKYSCRAPERS AND TRILLIONS OF ROCKETS TO MARS, TRILLIONS OF 1966 OLDSMOBILE NINETY EIGHTS, TRILLIONS OF LINCOLN CONTINENTIALS, YOU NAME IT, ETC.

But we keep on having all of the old solutions repeated over and over again that will not make our society go an inch forward anymore, the greens and resource scarcity myths telling us all to go back to the stone ages, the capitalists and economists telling us to work harder and get more educated for imaginary jobs that will never come to be.

TOBOR APE MAN

As I pointed out before, abortion was accepted, even by the Catholic church, until recently. And Prog pointed out that the Baptists also were relatively sanguine about it. And my Mormon aunt had an abortion in the 40s.

So you're wrong, again.

And my aunt was a nazi. Not my grandma.

And you said that you didn't watch Fox News.


Some corrections for your thesis:

But all of this ideology serves to hide what this economic system really is and what it is really doing, what the real trends are, behind all of the BS, and the real trends are simply: WORK IS NO LONGER NEEDED. PERIOD. WORK AND LABOR IS USELESS, THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE AVAILABLE FOR LABOR AND WORK COMPARED TO WHAT THE ECONOMIC SYSTEM CAN POSSIBLY USE. PERIOD. THE SYSTEM HAS HUGE ECONOMIES OF SCALE, HAS OPTIMIZED PRODUCTION IN ALL ENDEAVORS, AND CAN FREELY GIVE OUT SCOTT FREE HANDOUTS TO ALL WITHOUT COMPROMISING ANYTHING AT ALL OF THE WORKINGS OF THE SYSTEM, AND INDEED, BY GIVING SCOTT FREE HANDOUTS, IT COULD INCREASE IT'S PRODUCTIVE OUTPUT BY ORDERS OF MAGNITUDES AND BECOME EVEN RICHER AND HAVE EVEN MORE EXCESS CAPACITY. WE NOW LIVE IN AN INFINITE RESOURCE SYSTEM AND SOCIETY. PERIOD.

But the starting point would be to give out: SCOTT FREE HANDOUTS TO ALL, 800 DOLLARS A MONTH AND CHEAP RENTS 200 DOLLARS A MONTH TO ALL JUST TO BEGIN. AND THEN HUGE PUBLIC - PRIVATE PROJECTS LIKE TRILLIONS OF SKYSCRAPERS AND TRILLIONS OF ROCKETS TO MARS, TRILLIONS OF 1966 OLDSMOBILE NINETY EIGHTS, TRILLIONS OF LINCOLN CONTINENTIALS, YOU NAME IT, ETC.

But we keep on having all of the old solutions repeated over and over again that will not make our society go an inch forward anymore, the greens and resource scarcity myths telling us all to go back to the stone ages, the capitalists and economists telling us to work harder and get more educated for imaginary jobs that will never come to be.

Hey asshole, what colour is your skin?

So Hancock says pretty much the same thing as I did, and you praise him and offer to man the barricades with him.

Then you express exasperation with me.

What is this, some male bonding thing?

By the way, I think that welfare is used the same way as immigration, to divide the 99%.

In the 30s, most people's anger was directed at the idle rich. And the US was fairly close to revolution. At least close enough to scare them into reform.

Now, they pay off the most destitute, and deflect the anger of the working poor downward, toward the idle poor, instead of upward, toward the idle rich.

It's a win-win situation. For the ruling class, Prog, just like immigration. Not for us.

I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings, antisoak.

I was just trying to make a point to Vlad. Surely you realize that you don't use proper grammar?

And if you're that thinskinned, why do you insult me all the time? You can dish it out, but you can't take it?

It didn't take twenty years.

I can't believe how much time I spend defending Ron Paul, mostly to my Facebook friends, who gleefully do the bidding of the ruling class by attacking him.

Asoka, I thought that you were smarter than that. If the corporate media, the Dems and the Repubs present a united attack upon one person, than that one person is CLEARLY a threat to them!!

How come I can see that, and Jon Stewart can see that, and Glen Greenwald can see that, and Robert Scheer can see that, but you and my clueless Facebook friends can't?

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/marginalizing_ron_paul_20111229/

Save you ire for your corporate overlords, and not the one corporate party candidate who dares to criticize their plans to enslave you.

Again, I can't decipher your comment.

Are you saying that Cheney didn't need to give a stand down order because they used a missile?

You are very difficult to understand.

That's a very astute observation by D Orlov, IMO. Sort of like aspens leafs trying to shimmer golden but without the trunk and boughs. In other words, it ain't happening, or at least not naturally. But we're not talking about naturalists; we're talking deviants corrupted by the greed of a regressive ideology. Mental illness, in other words. They're the metaphorical equivalent of Al Pacino's "Scarface" buried in mountains of cocaine: deranged, psychotic, violent, insatiable. And I have no doubt they will mow down whoever gets in their way of accumulating ever more obscene amounts of money.

It's amazing how they do that.

The auto companies shut down production in Detroit and the racists blame black people for the resulting unemployment and poverty.

Haiti is slapped with billions of dollars of reparations, and they are blamed for the resulting poverty.

And Vlad has the nerve to call the US invasions of Haiti "helping them".

I've never heard him call 9-11 an example of some Arabs "helping us".

Here's a brief link to one of the US invasions and occupations of Haiti. There were more.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0725-20.htm

Here's a longer article, which starts with Colombus's slaughter of the hundreds of thousands of the original inhabitants of the island, and briefly goes through the revolution, the reparations, and the US invasions and occupations, including a quote from Major General Smedley Butler, who called himself a gangster for capitalism.

http://www.globalissues.org/article/141/haiti

This article leaves out the role of Wall Street in the 1800s, when Haiti borrowed money from the US bankers to pay off the French, thereby becoming vulnerable to US invasion, instead of French invasion.

However, to this day, the French participate in the attacks upon Haitian freedom.

Yeah, that's what amazes me about the ruling class. Sure, they have their underground bunker, as Joe Baegant pointed out, but who will be their servants, when they kill off the rest of us?

Who will grow their food, sew their clothes, mine the coal for their electricity?

What is the point of saving 4,000 spoiled rich people?

Won't they be surprised when the food runs out, and no one fetches them more?

Any doubts about Ron Paul's stupidity?
---------------------------------
I don't think he is stupid, but an ideologue? no doubt.

As for Israel, it might have been better if we had stopped aid years ago, in which case they would likely have been forced to make peace when it was more to their benefit. As it is, time is not on their side.

The same can be said for WWI BTW, if we hadn't got involved, a peace between Germany and the Allies, who were both exhausted, would have been more congenial, in which case, no Hitler.

The above are both good examples of 'unintended consequences'

Right now, that is why I refuse to support either party in the US. While the Republicans are even more reprehensible than the Dems, we just might be better off if the country elected a real RW doozie. Maybe then the people would wake up.

On the US waking up, I won't be betting any money. The decline here seems more like Rome or Athens, than the U.K. Serious, systemic, and potentially catastropic. If I were under thirty, I'd be getting the hell out of here.

You're right about the penicillin. I think I might place anesthesia and painkillers on equal footing in terms of things we couldn't live without were we forcefully transported to the past.

It's hard to conceive that, other than laudanum (an imperfect painkiller, at best, from what I've read) most every human who ever lived had to suffer the full brunt of every pulled tooth, every wound's pain, etc. etc.

What could the pain of a fully awake amputation feel like? A frightening concept indeed, yet tens of millions (if not more) endured it.

People around here seem to be rooting for Peak Oil and TLE to clean things up and relocalize us into a better place.

Human history, all of it, says otherwise is bold lettering.

But beyond that, the decline and/or loss of oil-fueled industrial agriculture will be strongly seconded by the decline/loss of industrialized medicine.

As bad as things might be now, as insane, ludicrous and slimily PR-coated-built on a foundation of disgusting lies, what comes next and thereafter will most certainly be much worse in almost every possible way for a long time.

In a couple centuries, how many millions of we Plebeians will scream our hearts out under the surgeon's saw for the halcyon days when oil-fueled painkillers and anesthesia were actually available to even half the populace, instead of only the 1% or even the 0.01%?

Many millions, almost certainly...if there are that many Plebeians left around in 200 years.

In the end, this is why we are all in this together keeping the current system of lies going. Because each of us, somewhere, instinctively understands that the end of the Big Lie likely means horror unparalleled, even if it is subconsciously.

And what else to do? We KNOW that the Aristocrats have something particularly nasty in store for we "useless eaters", the shape is finally becoming quite clear with NDAA.

It may be WWIII, or it may be some substitute that mass psychology and PR create as a substitute, given there isn't enough fuel left to run a proper globe-spanning brutal puppet-fight.

But it will most assuredly, for all but our Aristocratic Godly Overlords, be horrifyingly worse than all of what is going on today that we bemoan.

Which is why, as always, even those of us who know better will do our part to keep the Big Lie going for as long as possible, even though we know that the longer we wait to address it, the worse the hitting rock bottom will be.

To quote Kurt Vonnegut:

We doodily doodily do
what we muddly muddly must
until we bodily bust, we bodily bust
we bodily bodily bust.

What a succinct and accurate way to describe the human condition in the 8000 year-old Slave Labor Camp that is human history!

'US invasions of Haiti "helping them".'
Well Wage I say the USA/White folk worldwide have helped Haiti in innumerable ways.
Mainly by taking in their surplus population.
1 IN 3 OR 4 HAITIANS ARE ALREADY HERE.
JHK has noted the 'absurdity of food aid to Haiti'.

What was the Haitians first act when they were liberated?
Saame as in SA and Rhodesia [kill the whites]

I say you are a liar. You lied here months ago when
I pointed out the reds had killed 100 million or so but you couldnt take the truth so had to lie...
check the threads to see it for yourself.
BYE!

Abo Slum, cute! Intentional misspelling?

Yes people often blame others.
In the case of Haiti, USA has taken in like 25 to 40% of their unwashed masses [I say that because a friend in Miami says the Haitians there smell].

Plus whites have put trillions? billions into aid
but the population keeps growing.

[Did ya read that Wage says I use incorrect grammar,
insult here and am living in a fantasy?].

Yes, up till recently the only country that brought the black [slaves or otherwise] in was the USA.

Europeans kept their slaves in 'Colonies'.
Africa and the Islands.
Now the US is stuck with all these Haitians.

White Man's Burden..explain the cliche please.

SBPDL has alot of info.

Public Radio points a finger at Clinton I believe in the 'betrayal of Haiti' in the 1990s.

'I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings, antisoak.'
I sense more than a 'bit' of mockery in that line.

Say whatever you want here, makes no difference to me...dont think well be meeting!
CHEERS AND A HAPPY NEW YEARS!!!

'Then you express exasperation with me.'
Who would not 'express exasperation' to you?

You can dish it out, but you can't take it?
I can take it, bring it on.
Just stop lying.

White. But not for long. My children will not be white. Anything but racist megalomaniac genocidal bloodthirsty white.

"So Hancock says pretty much the same thing as I did, and you praise him and offer to man the barricades with him*.
Then you express exasperation with me."
-wage-

Wage, I've started to use a person's thoughts on incoming immigration into the United States - as a proxy for whether they have any grounding at all in common sense.

So yeah, wage, I'm exasperated that a smart politically active woman, such as yourself, says that the Greens of California should just keep on, keeping on, attracting the immigrant vote - living in the here and now - with no thought to the future.

My opinion is that you are letting your own political alliances, or your own Political Correctness (which I rarely detect in you, btw) disable your common sense - at a critical time in History.

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*manning the barricades - Yeah, I also once offered to transcend space and time and man the barricades with Vlad, should his most dire predictions prove correct.

I withdrew that offer when Vlad demonstrated that he is so doctrinaire on some things - abortion being on the short list - that he and I would likely club each other with our rifle butts during a lull in the firing.

Don't know yet if Hancock and I would disagree in such a violent way over some such doctrine, but I don't think we would. And we could always stay on the "safe subject" of the 2nd American Revolution - the one the South lost. hehehe

First off, John Taylor Gatto is excellent. I read his seminal article "Confederacy of Dunces" almost 30 years ago, and I still might have a dogeared pre-Internet xeroxed copy laying around somewhere.

What can I say but that I feel that you are partially correct, but that given our current condition it doesn't matter.

For myself, I only say the time has long past for relativistic statements and careful relative words. The whole relativism thing within Liberal philosophy, that I largely otherwise embrace, sometimes makes me shudder.

How the hell did Corporate Media slip this poison pill into our National Dialogue, infantilizing it beyond redemption?

I'll tell you how, with a ton of money and favorable legislation, and by breaking any honest journalist who dared disrupt the Corporate Lies, from Robert Parry to Gary Webb and everyone in between.

In either case, while some of relativism is partly true and wise, sometimes a thing is JUST PLAIN WRONG, and to accept relativism at high levels is to invite the kind of intellectual destruction that the Aristos are visiting upon us now.

Call it the Left's little contribution to the growth of RW Corporate Socialism. As Wage points out, the Aristocracy is more than willing to promulgate the ideas of the Left, so long as it advances their goals of domination and control of the Peasantry in the long run.

21st-Century America is dying from this whole, "Some people say the world is round, but others think it's flat" thing that turns everything into a he-said/she-said.

Add to this the steep decline in critical thinking skills in the average American and you have a recipe for the inheritor of RW National Socialism, which is RW Corporate Socialism, to become unstoppable.

In both cases, the destruction of the idea of truth and objective facts was seminal to the victory of these evil philosophies.

So I say that you and Gatto have a point, but I cannot go as far as you. Even if it's technically true, I am no longer interested in measuring my words over it because it's too late for that.

But for you, messianicdruid, I'll try:

You spoke of people trying to reconstuct their worldviews as the Big Lie whacks them in the face.

What if they have been systematically denied the ability to form the critical thinking tools required to form a COHERENT, CONSISENT (key words to the concept) replacement worldview?

Well then, they just have to wait for someone to refill them up with a new worldview, and naturally it matters not if it's coherent and consistent because they don't have the skills to tell the diffference.

That's how the Hitler and the Nazis rose last time. It's likely that's how and why Corn-Pone Hitler or some equivalent malevolence will rise again and why the Corpzis have created all the precursors for such an event.

For want of a better word, that's "dumb". I could relativize(?) further and say that while you and Gatto are partially correct, this is a measurable and costly form of dumbness that overwhelms all the others, under certain conditions like those that exist today.

Which is more important, to be able to cipher properly or to be possess the critical thinking skills necessary to see the coming of totalitarian evil with enough foresight to raise opposition while there is still time?

In many times and places, the former is more important. Not here and not now, though.

Not that it matters, because in 21st Century America, most of the subjects can do neither on their own.

An impressive feat that took years.
How did you know?
Were you in bed with him?

Sistine Chapel ceiling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sistine_Chapel_ceiling
The Sistine Chapel ceiling, painted by Michelangelo between 1508 and 1512

Abortion has always been viewed with abhorence - the original Hippocratic Oath specificaly forbade it. The Church held to this - always. They're weakening since Vatican 2 and the massive infiltration of Communists into the Priesthood.

You're obviously lying about your Granny being a Born Again Christian/Nazi who had 13/14 abortions.

Where did I ever deny watching Fox News? I've always said I disagree with their ultimate position though. Why do I watch? Guess I'm caught in reaction like millions of others: utterly sickened by the bland, PC lies of the MSM. At least FOX has some personality and makes some good points. But their good us used to support their evil alas.

BTW, the latest Iranian comments about the strait of Hormuz is likely not a provocation, but a response to provocations by the US, which, as I mentioned earlier this week is ramping up naval presence in the area. Now three carriers there, or on their way.

Most likely the US is trying to provoke the Iranians into taking action, in order to have a convenient excuse to bomb. Probably not going to work, hence -- combined military action by U.S. and Israel within a month very likely. Not good to keep forces on combat alert too long.

Another blind and stupid effort by the bloated U.S. military, dragging the country into another war it can't benefit from, and futher exacerbating the financial, social and policy woes of this country. Obama nothing but a tool.

I agree with you. Your position is exactly that of John Birth: Communism is a creation of the Bankers for the purpose of destroying Aristocracy. Communism 2.0 is to help destroy the middle class and traditional Capitalism - with lots of direct help from the Federal Goverment(s). Look at how both the bottom (Commies) and the top (state goverment) is going after Scott Walker of Wisconin - all for the sin of being for the taxpayers and small business. It's the "vise" as Gary Allen described it in his "None Dare Call it Conspiracy". Poor Wage!

Wage, I am not exasperated with you, but I am exasperated with Ron Paul, who would take the country back to pre-Civil Rights Act days. I am in agreement with Paul on his anti-military and anti-war positions, but his domestic policies, his homophobia, and his racism would spell disaster for millions of marginalized Americans.

Don't be too suprised if the Iranians got hold of some of China's highly accurate anti-carrier missles, which seem to turn carriers into large bullseyes. They ARE crazy enough to use them, if they have them.

Then what? we start blaming the Chinese as well and who knows what? Meanwhile, the Iranians, who live for revenge, will start lighting up public places in this country in a big way. I have little doubt they have sleepers in this country for exactly such an eventuality.

Pretty bleak assessment.

Obsession with vulgar money sinks like Disneyland easily diffuses upmarket, too. I probably shouldn't complain, since I was a summer employee at Hersheypark for four seasons and enjoyed the job on the whole, especially the unlimited free admission that employees had when off duty. Of course, Hersheypark squeezed the financial hell out of its customers--excuse me, guests, making them look like suckers. I hate to think of the debt that they took on in order to pay for things like $10-a-head fast food lunches and $4.43 peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. We made some jaws drop with our food service prices.

I mention that Disney diffuses upmarket because an old friend/sometime date of mine and her boyfriend are leaving today for a Disney cruise from Long Beach to Baja. This trip is just the latest in a series of semiannual to bimonthly lovers' getaways that these two have made to Florida, the Bahamas, Arizona, etc., in addition to lover boy's nearly weekly trips from Philadelphia to North Carolina, where my friend is an undergraduate. I gave these two a fuller treatment in one of my longer screeds in August or September; dude was the one who stole $18k from their employer by feigning a wrist injury for a fraudulent disability claim, and he's the one who bankrolled most, if not all, of their travels. There was some speculation about her father bankrolling some of it; he's a successful, wealthy attorney, but I haven't confirmed that she spent any of her own money or dad's money on these trips.

When I was living in Pennsylvania, I routinely amazed friends, no matter their socioeconomic background, when I told them that I had never been to Florida. Everyone in PA who isn't dirt poor has been to one or more of the crass tourist traps down there, and more than a few of the severely cash-strapped have made it, too. I've rarely heard of acquaintances going there for the history, the natural wonder (and damn swamp bugs) of the Everglades, or the Art Deco architecture of Miami Beach. In 1998 I had a layover at the Miami Airport en route to Oslo (my parents had gotten us free tickets from American), and to this day that is the extent of my Florida experience. And I've been on the ground in every other state except North Dakota.

Yup, the vulgarians are on the loose.


" The Sistine Chapel ceiling, painted by Michelangelo between 1508 and 1512"

LOL - you don't even realize when you make my point!
Vlad stated that it took 20 years. Does that add up to twenty years, genius?

So you blame all Whites because a White Judge did something stupid?

No one blames all Blacks - but alot of them are bad and most of the rest support them. The good ones are thus badly outnumbered and say nothing. When Blacks are burning down their neighborhoods, sometimes some older woman will protest. She'll get punched right in the face. It's on video.

To be fair, sometimes when a White is getting stomped a Black will put themselves on the line and defend them. They risk hatred and injury. Whcn I got sucker punched a Black girl brought me a tissue for the blood on my face.

Detroit emptied after a particularly vicious incident was not reprimanded by the courts. Also the Whites were being handicapped in their ability to defend themselves. In years previously, they had gone out with shovels and bats and beaten the Blacks back. Untie our hands, and we will deal with it. Blacks think we are afraid of them, but it's jail and losing our jobs that we fear. When everything falls the Blacks will learn the truth.

"But it will most assuredly, for all but our Aristocratic Godly Overlords, be horrifyingly worse than all of what is going on today that we bemoan."
-hancock-

OK, Hancock - Let me take issue with you over something, if only to make my womanfrien' WageLaborer happy.(Hi wage! ;0) no long-term hard feelings, I hope?)

You, HC, seem to imply that our Aristocratic overlords actually know what they are doing, and that they will survive collapse with supplies of antibiotics and painkillers enough to last them and their progeny into the far future.

I disagree. I think the RWA's are as focused on the here and now as most of the rest of us. And most of them are as dumb as a box of turnips. In fact, I'd venture to say that Ozone, for example, is more prepared with what he's got - than is the richest Authoritarian (George Soros? Dick Cheney? Vladimir Putin?)

And, anyway - you're a biologist HC. You know how short the shelf life is on antibiotics and painkillers. And you should know how impossible it would be to create them, even for the richest RWA - without modern industry and pharmaceutical feedstocks.

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Anyway, HC, if I'm understanding you correctly - some tendency to Authoritarianism has to be in every ONE of our gene pools. How else do we explain how it always bubbles up.

From the first tribal chief, eons ago, to Lloyd Bankfein - there's this human tendency to want to steal more and more from those who have less and less. American Free-Market-Style Corporatism emphasizes a slightly different skillset than that required to be a Somali Warlord - but, only slightly.

And the psychopathy is similar in both cases.
Therefore, it must be innate. Right?

I figure one dirty bomb in this country somewhere, and we'll be well on our way to the kind of government idiots like Vlad want.

Humans.....to stupid to learn.

I will repeat what I said the last time there was talk of attacking Iran: the USA would lose the war, because Iran has weapons we do not know about and cannot defend against.

Iran is not a small weak country like Iraq. The USA will woe the day it starts a war with Iran.

Iran has been threatened repeatedly but has wisely chosen to be aggressive, not to invade its neighbors. But "make no mistake" Iran can an will defend itself and Iran can and will make USA soil a theater of nuclear war if attacked.

Your children my ass. If you talk in person like you talk here on line any chick who's not desperately delusional and not in dire need of psychiatric help will run like hell. So the odds of your propagating while not zero are vanishingly small.

I'm sorry that I was wrong. There I said it - if only others could be as humble as I! Of course my point is still correct about a madman destroying minutes what took years. I musn't be too humble to admit I was correct in the main.

BTW, get ready for skyrocking oil and gold prices.

You said:

Who will grow their food, sew their clothes, mine the coal for their electricity?

What is the point of saving 4,000 spoiled rich people?

Won't they be surprised when the food runs out, and no one fetches them more?

You don't think they'll use their stolen resources to "rescue" their compliant servants and Mercenary Bully Boys along with them? (so long as these Inferiors know their place, of course, and brutal immediate reprisals for any that get any funny post-1776 ideas)

One can look to the social organizations of the past to see the social organiztaions of the future. All Richie Rich has to do is navigate a relatively straight-line backwards, as our Aristocracy is doing now, and there they are, as if the moderate peasant advances of 1776-1980 never happened.

They can always hire one-half of the poor to kill the other half, and they always will.

I'd like to believe as you do, that they will sow the seeds of their own destruction, but it's too much of a stretch for me to buy it.

If and when the human race dwindles to a population of 1000, one thing is almost crtain. The composition of that final society will be roughly:

One or Two families, ruled by the most ruthless and manipulative socipathic assholes, who will get almost everything that's left - food, water, etc.

20 to 50 Bullyboys and their familes, who may be physically tougher than their overlords, but lack the mental sophistication to out-sociopath/Machiavelli them, so they will happily take the table scraps from the First Families, and be joyous at their raised position.

920+ Peasants & Slaves who's lives are disposable, full of endless toil, forfeit at the whim of the First Families, and often, the Bullyboys (unless said peasants are for some reason briefly of value to the Overlords in some other sense than mule/dog physical labor)

I say again, virtually every society has been structured like this since the dawn of history and probably before, no matter what softenings and oil-fueled hypercomplexities are overlaid them.

I know you don't like to hear this, but that includes Communist countries, too. Just a different bunch of First Families chosen by slightly different criteria and using a slightly different justification for their depredations, in my opinion.

No wonder the Capitalists hated them. Even though it was just one bunch of murdering thugs getting knocked off by another, who wants to lose that kind of cushy position? Just another intramural squabble between sociopaths, except that instead of highborn vs. highborn, it's higborn sociopaths vs. lowborn sociopaths.

progress. hooray.

Plus, without the massive amounts of cheap oil creating unreal torrents of technology, goods and "energy slaves" to replace the human ones, none of the "PR softenings" would never have happened and the USA in this alternate universe would be as monstrous as ancient Rome or worse, a slave nation without doubt.

It's important to remember that this is not just the age of Peak Oil, it's the age of Peak Liberty, too.

Like it or not, Wage, this is almost certainly the best time to be alive and a Peasant.

Go 100 years in either direction, and the horror of being as powerless peasant will increase in orders of magntiude the further back or forward you go. And I am pretty sure thing are now so far gone that there is no other option, save some technological cornucopian miracle that keeps the energy slaves at our beck and call.

Because SOMEONE needs to get Richie Rich from Point A to Point B in the manner to which he is accustomed, and it sure ain't gonna be his pampered indolent monsters.

Correction

Iran has been threatened repeatedly but has wisely chosen NOT to be aggressive, not to invade its neighbors.

From the famous poem by Rudyard Kipling to the effect that Whites had the duty to uplift non Whites. Basically the rationale of the British Empire - many took it very seriously and the Imperialists and Corporations got alot of traction out of it. Of course now all that is seen as racist. Yet Whites continue to do alot of charity work even as they consider themselves LESS than the people they are helping. At least Christians are a bit more logical and don't see it that way. But they have been warped too and many of them think it's wrong to convert the natives now. Pure goodness? Perhaps or perhaps the White Man's Guilt instead of the White Man's Burden.

Anyway, it's a good poem. I don't agree with it since the Non Whites have spat in our face and think they're better than we are even as they hold out their hands. To be fair though - we were exploiting them and using Christianity and the "White Man's Burden" ethic as a cover. Pure Christianity wouldn't involve armies and administrators with armed police. Pure Christianity doesn't exist very often anymore.

http://www.online-literature.com/kipling/922/

LOL!

Of course the white man did not ethically build up anything. The white man murdered, stole lands, and enslaved people, people who did the building for them. We done built it. It is our choice to continue building or to destroy what we built. I vote to not murder, not steal, not enslave, not destroy.

So now the ethically-challenged whites are destroying themselves???

Perfect karma!

"But "make no mistake" Iran can an will defend itself and Iran can and will make USA soil a theater of nuclear war if attacked."
-asoka.-

Ah, a.., we return to a familiar theme of yours, and your warm and fuzzy feelings at the prospect of nuclear attack against the US - have been seen in the past, on CFN.

You seem to have insider knowledge.
So are we talking "sleeper cells," with nukes at the ready, now?
Or, we talking a loong range Iranian missile?

And, a.., do you really think a nuclear "first strike" against the US would end well for the Iranian powers that ordered it?

That seems unlikely.

From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=177766

I saw the North Koreans crying on TV once again, they have been crying for over a week now. That is so damn cool! They are desperate because their great leader Kim Sung Il or whatever the hell he called himself died, they are desperate, crying like cry babies, really cool, how I love those extreme communist dictatorships (so spectacular too!, a really cool show!) where the "individual" is no longer allowed to exist, all exist as one monolithic block of intentionality, as a tool for the one and all powerful dictator.

I want that! like an hysterical cry baby, I WANT THAT! like a spoiled brat, I WANT THAT! I want billions of people at my command, like I push a button and they build skyscrapers and they execute, build trillions of 1966 oldsmobile ninety eights and they execute, so cool, Only I decide, I love to hate and inflict pain, but the hate and pain is only such if the billions of tools (slaves) oppose their puny will power (and why does a chunk of matter want to inflict pain on another chunk of matter, the indirection, the imagination, the denotation ?): but kill all other will powers, no different "life styles" here, no queers or fagots or lesbos or alternative "individuals" here, only tools, gears for my machine, so cool!

The Observer is not only the Universe 100 %, the Observer is 100 % Subjectivity, no absolutes here, only a pure monolithic slab of subjectivity expressing itself (as if "itself" had any possible value and wasn't just a puny useless insignificant turd): Only subjectivity exists, not even the Observer or the Universe, pure subjectivity which means pure nothing, pure total insignificance, pure puny action reaction according to what that atoms decide, and its decision is totally insignificant. So modified brains are the Observer, which is the Universe with completely new laws of physics, but also 100 % Subjectivity, pure quirk action reaction, pure impulse as a response against another input, pure quirky, flukey will power expressing itself and using trillions of people as a monolithic slab of intentionality to use at my command...

Dale,
Will $ be worth anything?
You cant eat oil, gold, greenbacks.
At least oil can be used to heat or power a tractor.

Did you click Vlads link to 60,000? deaths each winter in UK?
Or were you too busy maligning him?

Asoka, shilling for Iran from your hammock in the unnamed Banana Republic? Why do I get the impression if it was 1920 you'd be backing Lenin, 1930 Stalin, 1940 Hitler, 1950 Mao, and 1967 Ho Chi Ming? Whoever the threat to the US is, that's who you're for.

Hey Vlad, last night, due to the way the schedule turned out, I was the only white guy in the pressroom. Still we somehow managed to set-up, print 140,000 copies of the newspaper, breakdown and clean up. These are pretty good jobs but whites just don't apply, or when they get hired last only a few days. These guys, my co-workers, treat me pretty good. Oh, a few have attitudes. For the most part, tho, I have a lot of fun working with them. There's alot of laughs and bunstin' b-lls all night.

Happy New Year CFNers!!

---WSP7

Dale,
Before you call others stupid at least spell proof!
sheesh.......
And I figure if/when a Bomb goes off its 'chaos'.

I posted that to tease you you uptight queen.

Asians and Whites invented much, blacks almost
nothing...face the facts.

I enjoy your posts immensely. For a relatively young guy (at least I think you are, from your posts), you are very wise.

Unfortunately, this happens to be a time in history when ignorance is lauded and celebrated, and geniuine thoughtful wisdom is the realm of hippies, suckers, and Enemies of the State. In 21st Century America if "knowledge" doesn't lead to $$$ or entertainment, it's not worth having.

Plus, having been born and raised in that neck o' the woods, I can 100% vouch for your excellent assements of Philly, the suburbs and their subculture.

I also thoroughly enjoy reading them, in spite of the fact that I was and am aware of most of it, occasionally you make a connection or conclusion that I didn't consider.

I enjoy your anecdotes and so here's one you will undoubtedly appreciate, being so "Philly-centric".

As a young man, I worked at a local restaurant in the NE. We'd all eat meals at the "employees table", sometimes joined by our two local beat cops who'd get meals and drinks "on the arm" (for free, if you don't recognize that archaic saying).

FULL DISCLOSURE: From what I could tell, the proprietor was happy to do this in exchange for the cops making extra stops there, though how would I know if that was just a facade?

Anyway, one day I am eating lunch and it's just me and those beat cops at the table. I am just sitting there eating, not saying anything nor really taking much note of their conversation, until I unwillingly heard this exchange.

Cop A: "There's a rape victim on Longshore Street. You wanna go over and take a look at her?"

Cop B: "Naah."

I didn't take note of the rest of their conversation because my head was swimming between shock and anger. Not that I said anything to them. Philly Cops are notorious and with good reason, as I am sure you know. Antagonizing them or even trying to show them a metaphorical mirror is as dumb as poking uncaged tigers with a stick, as I am sure you know. (probably the same with most cops, but Philly's got that extra-special, well-deserved rep)

Plus, I was still a teenager and it takes a lot more balls than I had at that time to lecture not just adults, but adult COPS.

It was perhaps my most poignant epiphany regarding LE, at least until years later, I witnessed a state cop tell a blatant 100% lie on the stand under oath.

As I walked out of the courthouse, I couldn't help but think, "Holy crap, if a cop tells such a blatant lie under oath about a stupid traffic ticket about a middle-class white guy, what lies must they tell for lower-class people of color when they feel even more justified in closing horrific crimes?"

And, sadly, my next thought was, "Is it possible that OJ actually wasn't guilty?"

Which he almost certainly was and is, but wow, talk about a couple revelations about how life actully works!

Wagelaborer, Hancock, P2C etal., I know you think we are as dumb as a box of rocks, unduly influenced by Fox TV, and have evil intentions, but CFN needs some people around like JulliettaofOhio and myself, conservatives, to balance to leftish tilt of this site. It is harmless.

--WSP7

"Who will grow their food, sew their clothes, mine the coal for their electricity?"

Ask old69, or one of those guys. They say we don't need anybody to do that stuff anymore.

That's a cheap shot Dale. The upper class hates White Nationalists - no one does it prosecute more heavily. Look at how they treated Edgar Steele with no real evidence - just alot of doctored tapes. I expect better from you - just kidding, I don't.

I love your innocence, Procon!

Still feeling protected by mutually assured destruction, are you?

You think people doing battle with the Great Satan give a shit about our nuclear capacity? That is why the battle will be on USA soil where our nukes are useless. Besides they got a whole mess of virgins waiting. You cannot scare them with death. They embrace it. Best leave them alone, or better, make friends and work together; the Iranians are beautiful people who have contributed much to civilization. But they will defend themselves against ignorant barbarians.

So Iran has weapons we don't know about? But you do? So tell us, we're eager to know how you know.

As I'm sure there are many agencies of the US govt who are JUST as eager.

So you say Iran will make the US a theatre of nuclear war? You sound pretty certain. So you KNOW that they have nuclear weapons?

I'm sure the US govt would be interested in talking to you. Better to go to them right fucking now Asoka and not make them come to you. Because if they suspect you have such knowledge then what do you think they'll do to you? Do you think they'll ask you nicely?

So Mr Iran Sympathiser that can't keep his big mouth shut. Let's say you do have knowledge and it gets to the Iranians that you're out here flapping your gums. What do you think the Iranians will do to you? Do you think they'll be nice to you?



Actually, Rhino, my views are becoming more and more accepted as correct by more and more of the general population of the world. Soon, my views will become the vast consensus. You will not be able to escape your legacy of racism.

You have what we gave you - nothing more. The Asians benefited from out occupation, learned from us, etc. Africans did not - too primitive. Many got Christianity though and are grateful. As one Black said to the Anglicans - you gave us the Bible and now you no longer believe. Why?

I worked some Nigerians named Bede and Cedric who loved their missionaries. Another one told me how much American Blacks hated him since he didn't hate Whites. The whole thing is a very complicated story. I could talk about it at length but why bother here? Everyone is like a lesser version of you: Whites bad, Blacks good.

Europe and North America may yet be evangelized by Black, Asian, and Latin missionaries. That should make you happy a little bit anyway. Apparently the 2nd man in line for Pope is the a Black named Arinze I think. Many prophecies predict the rise of a Black Pope as a sign (not a cause - he's a good man) that disaster is near.

Oh one other point: I once went to hear a Yanomami Shaman who have converted to Chritianity speak. He was furious at the Anthropologists like what's his name, the French guy who became famous studying "The Fierce People". The Frenchie has said that Missionaries should leave the natives alone and let them be what they are. The Shaman said No that what they had been wasn't good and that their Religion was about the worship of demons. He didn't like being treated like fauna and felt his People had a right to the Gospel just like everyone else.

Many Missionaries have gone in ahead of everyone and put themselves at terrible risk. This is true Christianity - not for the weak or timid. And many of them died in torment like Father Issac Jogues who converted the Iroquois and died in the process.

MY legacy of racism? So, reading between the lines here, you think I'm white? How the fuck do you know what race I am?

Good news!

Political shenanigans in Ohio's state capitol had suddenly moved the filing deadline for the Green Party to get on the primary ballot from March to December 30th, today.

As of today, here is the news from Ohio:

The Green Party will be on the general election ballot in November, 2012, and Jill Stein will be on that ballot assuming she wins the national Green Party's nomination.

"...because they don't have the skills to tell the difference."

I accept that there are some who lack. What I do not accept is the idea that most or many cannot recover from their blindness.

The people that are paid to believe certain things will [almost] certainly repent {change their mind} when the currency is devalued, ie: half their motivation evaporates.

Have you heard of Guantanamo? I dare not say more.

But you should be very afraid. 9s and 44s will not protect you.

Some Blacks settle down after 35 (as the testosterone begins to lower) or so and take a look at the ruins of their lives. Some are able to become decent working men.

I called my Father a racist and he said "No, I like them, they're funny". He had a good attitude I know now. He knew he was better than them but he accepted them as they were most of the time. Of course he got very angry when they run amok.

Surely you don't believe that they are equal or that could maintain any of this without us? Or create it? It is to laugh.

the Iranians are beautiful people - Asoka

How the fuck do YOU know?

But they will defend themselves against ignorant barbarians. - Asoka

And who are the ignorant barbarians you're refering to Asoka? Asoka are YOU another one of the piece of shit racists fouling the body politic? Don't take offence Asoka, I'm not accusing you, it's just an innocent question. I'm sure I've misunderstood.


What do you think the Iranians will do to you? Do you think they'll be nice to you?

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Yes, if they ever get to South America I will open my doors and invite them in for tea.

So, Mr. Iran-antagonizer, why do you think I got the hell out of ground zero USA? Idiot.

You're the one with the mouth that won't stop.

You're the one with all the talk about Iranian weapons that nobody knows about (except you and the Iraninas apparently).

YOU should be afraid.

Or maybe, plainly and simply, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about and you're totally full of shit.

"I am not exasperated with you, but I am exasperated with Ron Paul, who would take the country back to pre-Civil Rights Act days."

You mean back when a man could work 40 hours a week and his wife could be a homemaker and they could do well, while raising six children on his wages? Back before we were in perpetual war? Back when the goobermint felt constrained by their work-order? Back before we had Oprah on the toob to tell us how to wipe our arse?

Take my advice. Shut the fuck up.

How do I know? I made an assumption. If you're not a blue-eyed white devil dog, I've yet to see you deny it.

That's pretty much what he means.

Back to the days of "Nigger don't let the sun set on you"

Back to the days of "whites only"

Back to the days of strange fruit hanging in trees.

Back to the days of white Jim Crow terrorists

My race is none of your damn business, white, black or otherwise.

For Guantanamo's sake!

Your murders, your kidnappings, your torture, will not go unpunished. Barbarians.

You didn't answer my question: are YOU one of the piece of shit racists fouling the body politic? It's not an accusation. It's just a question Asoka. If you don't want to answer then just say so.

There we go. As I said, I've yet see you deny it. And you haven't!

Will $ be worth anything?
You cant eat oil, gold, greenbacks.
At least oil can be used to heat or power a tractor.

Did you click Vlads link to 60,000? deaths each winter in UK?
Or were you too busy maligning him?
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I personally don't give a shit if anyone uses perfect english or not in their informal blog comments. I work as a writer for money, and enjoy not having to be so careful in such a setting.

However, I would assume even you do not want to be a hypocrite, hence if you are going to criticize anothers usage, perhaps you should correct the no less than four errors in your above short post,.... prior to passing yourself off as the english instructor around here.

That's a cheap shot Dale. The upper class hates White Nationalists - no one does it prosecute more heavily. Look at how they treated Edgar Steele with no real evidence - just alot of doctored tapes. I expect better from you - just kidding, I don't.
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I have no idea what you are talking about, and furthermore, I don't care.

MY murders, MY kidnappings? MY torture?

How the fuck do YOU know where I'm from? Let me submit to you that you do not know shit.

Just because I write in English? Didn't you know that China is by some measures the biggest English speaking country in the world? Haven't you heard of the commonwealth countries? Haven't you heard of bilingual education? Do you think the US is the only place where dey spikka de engrish?

Why the fuck should I tell you?

I am not.

Good, thought-provoking comment.

It's human nature to "kick the can" down the road, and sometimes fill in the blanks with self-reinforcing fantasy when facts are scarce (even fake facts - LOL).

Plus, I seriously doubt technology is going to vanish overnight nor the oil run out in similar fashion.

If that is the case, we are talking a matter of degrees. Besides, I also think that our Aristo think very about what happens after they are dead, aside from who gets the $$$$. They probably figure that for their progeny as for them, wealth and power finds a way. They also might be right. You don't need specific plans when you have wealth and power, not nearly as much as those without them require careful planning.

From this angle, preserving some textbooks, glassware, and a minor energy source might get them something that's better than nothing. It won't be our pretty, standardized, quality controlled pills, but it may do the job nonetheless.

When a barber/surgeon is sawing through a gangrenous leg, I am guessing the "partial fix" will be much appreciated by Future Fauntleroys.

Given my relatively limited knowledge of chemistry, I don't want to say much more about something I don't know a lot about. Imagine that!

But you get my overall jist. Wealth and power finds a way. Which, if I recall correctly, is a paraphrase of Machiavelli.

As to my beliefs on sociopathy and authoritarianism, you are very close to what I believe.

You said:

From the first tribal chief, eons ago, to Lloyd Bankfein - there's this human tendency to want to steal more and more from those who have less and less. American Free-Market-Style Corporatism emphasizes a slightly different skillset than that required to be a Somali Warlord - but, only slightly.

Definite agreement with you there. Consider that statement against the backdrop that psychological and economic power has supplanted physical brutality as the primary means of control, at least until the technology fails significantly enough and the similarity between the two shrinks even further.

The innate-ness of it in populations almost certain comes from our evolutionary rise, when these things and others (like the "overpopulation" male sex drive) were POSITIVE ADAPTIONS for our early survival and so selected for.

It may even be that the leader-needing, obedient nature exhibited by most people (myself included sometimes) is also an evolutionary adaption from those days, when convening a discussion council sure was no help in escaping the sabre-toothed tiger, and a group comprised of all Alpha-chiefs might have extincted themselves even before the tigers got 'round to it.

Unfortunately, as our species progressed, these positive adaptions became maladaptions for a technical society (if it is to survive long-term).

Overpopulation drive, drives for domination and control, greed, hoarding, and all the rest might have been great for 10,000 BC to ensure species survival but now they are walking us straight into a keyhole or extinction, in my opinion.

Evolution selected for these traits and, I suspect, our future survival always depended on us at least partially restraining these evolutionary instincts with reason.

Hell, even the Aristocrats seems to partially buy that by the time of the Enlightenment...until Siggy Freud and Ed Bernays taught 'em the error of their ways, and sadly showed them scientifically to the tenth decimal place that all human beings are infantile, easily manipulated, creatures of emotion and not reason.

Then they showed them how to use manipulations to vastly increase their domination and control without the need for chains, hangings and beatings, which eat into profit.

They lapped it up because it was what they thought of we peasants BEFORE all that Enlightenment stuff.

The ability to assign differing degrees of importance to people based on their relationship to ourselves is also likely an evolutionary trait which ill-serves us today as much as it well-served us in 10,000 BC.

It's common sense, if one cannot distance one's self from all the cruelty and injustice in the human race, one would drown in sadness and anger.

Plus, walking around depresseed all the time might help one not to notice as said sabre-toothed tiger was a-stalkin' you. A maladaption.

But once society passes a certain point, things seem to flip around. Positive adaptions become negative adaptions and sometimes, vice-versa.

It's important to remember that humanity once went through a keyhole event in which scientists speculate the human population dropped to 10,000 or so.

Ultimately it means that everyone on Earth today springs from a very narrow gene pool. An environmental/evolutionary happenstance that determined in one way or another that eventually fate of our species by narrowing our overall gene pool and probably selecting for the kind of societal composition I laid out above, that is still with us today.

I speculate that the only way to avoid eventual extinction would have been if we had used our reason and empathy to overcome or at least significantly mitigate the postive adaptions that have now lately become maladaptions due to changing "environment", population, and technological level.

Maladaptions not the least of which is our desire to fill the world with an endless sea of human flesh, no matter what color.

Talk about your epic fails on all fronts!

So, you are really only talking about the racial aspect, again. What makes you think one man could {or would} repeal the Civil Rights Act? Before you answer, consider Capeheart.

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2011/12/race-baiting-and-ron-paul-actions-speak.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MishsGlobalEconomicTrendAnalysis+%28Mish%27s+Global+Economic+Trend+Analysis%29

You still haven't told us how exactly YOU know about Iranian nukes and secret weapons.

We're trembling in anticipation.

So are about ten agencies of the US govt.

Do tell.

On the other hand if you want to admit that you're full of shit then that's fine too.

Submit all you want. I'm not going to tell you to shut the fuck up because that is against CFN rules and antisoak has said we cannot tell anyone to shut up. I play by the rules and let karma take care of the rest.

Because you told me to shut the f$ck up. Are schizophrenic and stupid?

Again, I've yet see you deny it.

Oh I'm sorry...I see I've hurt your feelings. And we all know you follow orders. Rhino says shut up so Asoka shuts up.

Besides I was only thinking of you. All your silly-assed gum flapping was making you look like a total jack off.

But let's assume you do have this mysterious inside knowledge: like I said, there's a whole bunch of real hard guys in the US govt (and the Iranian govt) that would be really, really interested to know what you know about all this weaponry. Better spill Asoka. This ain't kid stuff we're talking about.

Or like I said, all you have to do is admit you're so full of shit your eyes are brown and all will be forgiven.

I'm busy with Assoka. Why don't you go sniff up some Vatican gowns. No doubt there's CIA agents hiding there. Every time I see one of your posts I get a bit stupider.

You have me so scared of ten unnamed govt agencies that I dare not reveal anything more. Just attack Iran and see what happens to your oil-dependent nation wherever you are.

You know I'm telling the truth. EVERYTHING I say is backed by a long list of facts and documentation researched by historians and other researchers. But you wish to stay in denial and anger, instead of accepting the truth and then doing something about it.

It must be hard for you since Judaism is a multi-cultural religion. Perhaps you should seek counseling with a Rabbi or Therapist for your self hatred and racism. After all, light skin is esteemed for its beauty and as a sign of intelligence among the Peoples of the World - even as they hate Whites. Pure Envy.

Btw, I don't disapprove of your choice per se. The more the Jews mix with the dark skinned, the less effective they will be at hurting us. Already Isreal is torn by ethnic conflict as per Israel's "Rosa Parks" - http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/19/world/meast/israel-rosa-parks/index.html

I'm divided on this one since the good clean White Hasids hate the rest of the White Race with a passion. The pretty Sephard or Oriental Jew is much closer to me culturally and might not hate me at all. Or might - no way to know without meeting her. But the Orthodox - hating Gentiles is part of their religion.

The pretty Sephard or Oriental Jew is much closer to me culturally and might not hate me at all.

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Might not? Vlad, are you going soft on the evil Jews?

Or do you just love Jewish women for all their great qualities?

I don't think you're evil, Marlin.

Unfortunately, one of the near-universal truths of humanity is that decent, honorable people are often used by sociopaths to achieve their malevolent ends, and we often allow ourselves to be used because it's in most people's nature to be followers, to want to believe, trust, obey, and not to ask any uncomfortable questions that might provoke ostracism or a beating or worse.

Religion, I believe, was designed for just that purpose.

You see, God wants people to be docile, obedient, and content to work all day with little reward for their "Betters" on the promise of Perfect Justice (and the implied role-reversal) after we die. God wants us to know He's always watching, like an mobile security camera with facial recognition and AI capabilities. God wants us to take care of each other because it's the right thing to do. (which it is - even a broken clock, you know, but it serves Richie Rich more than it is a righteous idea, which is why it got in there in the first place, I speculate)

Coincidentally, what God wants is exactly what Richie Rich wants. Of course he wants us in fear of eternal heavenly surveillance, the better to control us with fear (at least until Richie's science-slaves invented actual eternal surveillance for all). Of course he wants us to spend our limited tax or private incomes helping each other. You think Richie Rich wants to waste his precious stolen funds on caring for a bunch of talking dogs like us who are as replaceable as piston rods in his Taylorist institutions?

Why do that when he can just discard the old dogs to the pound (who cares what happens after that, dont'cha know, we're just dogs) and replace them with some fresh ones? Which is more cost-effective? Which is more profitable to the REAL Human Beings (as they see themselves and always have, as a class) in the top 0.01%?

Either God is made in man's image or man is made in God's image.

In either case, that would seem to indicate that the Judeo-Chritian-Islamic God's not someone you'd want to turn your back on, for he'll stick a knife in, the sociopath in who's image our Rulers and Lower-Class Criminals are made.

But you see, that's what divide and conquer is and always has been about. Richie Rich can't hire one-half of the poor to kill the other half unless the poor are divided. That's a philosophy older than Caesar...much older.

I'll say it again: What is going on in this country is so NOT about Left and Right, but between (lower case) right and WRONG.

Nor does it matter that the two Left and Right-hand sock puppets are connected through wrists, arms and hands to the same puppetmaster hiding behind the curtain and both speaking in his voice.

Because it's evolutionary biology from the reptile brain that overrides the neocortex that we like (or are susceptible to being manipulated into) forming sometimes arbitrary groups and hating each other. Which probably served a survival purpose in 10,000 BC.

Divide and Conquer wins again. As do God and Richie Rich.

"Before you answer, consider Capeheart."

Others may not agree with you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ej5_rZof7MA#!

Thanks, MD.

I could only support RP if I was a Leninist. I am not a Leninist.

Liar. You're one beaten dog and you know it. You get paid to think? That's frightening since you mistake thinking for posturing.

LOL! Your CIA/Vatican/MSM nazi propaganda is just that. You must be the last idiot on the planet to still believe their propaganda lies. Most marriages in Israel are mixed marriages. Any Israeli, whatever their background, will completely laugh your CIA/Vatican/MSM nazi propaganda right off.

I've had Jewish Girlfriends before my Awakening and I still have a Jewish Friend who knows my views. He is an amazing individual yet even he can't talk about it much. Not one Jew in a million is capable of talking about their people like most Whites can talk about their's - with other people.

After hours of debate, my friend would say in a tight tortured voice, "I know they are up to no good over there" about the Israelis. Next time we met it would be back to square one again. Yet however difficult it was for him, he knew that I was on to something - his brother had gone Orthodox and was full of hatred for all Christians and Non Jews. Also my friend did search out the Truth about the Talmud.

There is apparently far more debate in Israel. Jews can talk to each other about these things. With us, it's always "the dogs bicker but unite when the wolf shows up" as the old saying goes. Nice assimilation huh? I'm going to avoid close relationships with them in the future.

I agree with you. Your position is exactly that of John Birth: Communism is a creation of the Bankers for the purpose of destroying Aristocracy. Communism 2.0 is to help destroy the middle class and traditional Capitalism - with lots of direct help from the Federal Goverment(s).

That's not what I said at all. Nothing near it, in fact.

That you love and defend Aristocracy is unsurprising. Your entire philosophy centers around the glorification of inequality, exploitation, manipulation, deception, unfairness, domination of the weak by the strong, and cruelty.

You try to hide it, but not very well.

You certainly do need your own blog to enlighten the world with your munificence of "ideas".

Excuse me, but after having you "agree" with me (even though what you were agreeing with is nothing like what I actually said), I need a shower.

I admit it was a good point, never mind the dates. Too bad you see no value in harmonious and peaceful race relations. After all, how long would it take a diabolical group of racists to poor gasoline over the racial progress of the last fifty years? Not long indeed, and yet, your ilk would declare the smoldering remains as preordained and inevitable, even as you tuck away the match fuse from the light of day.

There's a lot more to being honest that conceding a point.

Also, I don't think you're dumb as a box of rocks. Not even close.

Unfortunately, there seems to be little correlation between raw intellignce/learning and a person's ability to resist propaganda.

I've known Ph.Ds who had little to no ability in that area, and I have known high-school dropouts who had critical thinking skills that were magnificent in that area.

I don't understand it, but I cannot dismiss what I have experienced.

Liar. You're one beaten dog and you know it.
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Now I'm beginning to wonder if anyone knows what you are talking about....or cares?

You're prejudiced against me because of my White Nationalism, therefore you can't hear anything I say. I'm against the false Aristocracy of the Corporate Thieves and Banksters. I'm for the True Aristocracy of Merit and Breeding. But I suppose you're against that too....

All the "racial progress" has been at our expense. We can't give any more yet they are importing even more minorities to go on welfare or take the few jobs that are left. Sure there's going to be trouble - and you think that it will be our fault? Btw, we know most Whites still think like you. And we know the Feds are still far too powerful. So we must wait knowing how many outrages it will take until hearts and minds like your's begin to soften and awaken. People like Alexandra - never. I'm amazed that I'm the only one who calls her on her viciousness. Amazed. She enjoys it you see. She likes the idea of poor Whites freezing to death.

Multi-Racial Nations don't work. Even Multi-Ethnic Nations can come to grief - even of the same Race and almost the same Religion. But bringing in people totally different who have a historical grudge against us? Suicide.

Good to hear from you again, Hancock 1863. Highly intelligent posts per usual.

Asoka, I looked up the capabilities of the Iranian Navy, and it would last about 15 min. in a fight with the US 5th fleet. There is the problem of land based, exocet style missiles, which did so much damage in the Falklands War, being launched from the interior, but they would be quickly located and destroyed by our own cruise missiles and aircraft. If the Iranians try to close those straits they would be quickly defeated, maybe even cease to be legitimate rulers in the eyes of the Iranian people. i doubt if they'll risk it.

--WSP7

You looked up Iranian military capability on the Internet? Wow! Another innocent.

Could I look up the schematics for stealth drones or the exact amount of the CIA black budget?

Do you really have that much faith in the Internet?
Military secrets, recent weapons from China? Really, public information? Really?

ASOKA: YOu are losing your cool, man. Please, don't do that. Go outside, take a deep breath of the fresh air, look at the sunset, moon & stars, and just appreciate where you are.
Let it all go: The USA, Iran, war, etc.

Relax now, you are beyond all that. Let it go.

Isn't this why you left the US in the first place?

Now, its all cool, is it not? Remember, there are some things that are just beyond our control. But we are always in our control.

Pick a bananna or papaya off the tree for dinner or breakfast tomorrow. Enjoy.
The USA is the past, there is nothing you can do for it, its like a Bronto that has had its head bitten off by a Tyrano, it will keep stumbling along thru the forest for awhile until its body realizes its dead, then it will fall over. You have made the good fortune to get out from under where it will fall. Hopefully, the US IS an awful big dino.....

;)
PS, I thought you were just 'down south' checking things out, didn't realize you had actually made the big move.


Hey WSP,
Never in a million years would I compare your intellect to that of a box of rocks - not even to a whole truckload, man! ;-)

And yeah, this place tilts left. I've talked about that before - and, back in the day, I was trying to encourage LingLing/TsaTsa/Tootsie, to settle down and stick to the facts, because CFN really does need more conservative voices.

Conservative voices will come into CFN - but they won't stick around for long usually. Some of it is asoka. and his formulaic "button pushing." Maybe that's all of it. And I'm glad you're sticking around - hope you always do. Are you going to the Keys this winter, btw?

I do worry about FOX News, maybe because I'm totally surrounded by it here in the South, by friends, family, doctors offices, and most every business I go in. I think the way FOX blends news and opinion is scary - and bad "news" for the Nation in the long run. And I don't know why news has to be "Fair and BALANCED," why can't news just be FACTUAL reports about things that are happening that should be, you know, NEWS?

FOX is totally and deliberately doing their dead level BEST to marginalize Ron Paul, for example.

Other networks are, too, I know.
But that doesn't make it right.

I really liked your post about the Africans and the yanomamo shaman who converted to Christianity. If you want to know why Anglicans are nothing but Unitarians in medievalist drag try reading "God's Funeral".

In terms of your race thinking it is not remarkable in the least to me, because I work in an ultra-bigoted atmosphere in a crappy violent blue collar neighborhood which is "turning". In other words, I have customers and co-workers who could make you look like a Berkeley political science professor so this is one of the reasons why I've not been disturbed at all by your ideas. Nevertheless, I think there is a tendency to over-categorize on your part. What this statement means to me is that illusion is maya, or the tendency to try to measure everything, making fine distinctions, when in fact everything is melded together continuously without any real or substantial or permanent distinctions. Which is to say that scumbags act like they do not because they're members of some ethnic group but simply because they're low-rent assholes, and assholes, being a majority of the population [so far as I can tell] come in all shapes, sizes, and national origins. There will never be a shortage of assholes.

Thanks, Dee. I did have fresh mango and papaya for breakfast. I am just visiting and will be going back to the southwest. Still spending part of each year in USA for now.

WSP7, I agree with Procon... Yours is an important voice on CFN.

I like and approve of your grimness of outlook, as after all, as one of the regulars at a local AA meeting was fond of saying "reality sucks". Nevertheless, don't forget that after the Black Death in fourteenth century Europe the peasants were actually better off, because there was less pressure on resources after the massive die-off of about one-third of the population. And you can count on there being a similarly massive die-off when industrial civilization takes a powder when the fossil fuels peter out. Of course it's not going to be fun being one of those fated to "die off".

Asoka, Americans being a bloody people, would not nuclear sabor-rattle if Iran unleashed a nuclear weapon on US soil. America would launch, baby, launch a flotilla of nuclear-tipped missiles, enough to insure that Iran becomes one, big, glowing glassy lake. The US would not try to scare the Iranians, but would just go ahead and annihilate them. That being said, I believe war is wrong, very wrong, and I would hope that the ME situation never deteriorates to that level.

I don't know if you've ever read his works, but Theodore Sturgeon wrote a short story called "Thunder and Roses", possibly the finest nuclear war story ever written. The philosophy espoused in the story is you, and I heartily recommend you reading it, and then telling me your reaction.

Asians, as personified by the attenuated Mongoloid American Indians, never even invented the wheel. Relatively recent in time, George Washington Carver made great contributions; prehistoric Africans invented many tools, such as the atlatl. I'm not praising or denigrating any race, just stating facts.

Then why do you keep talking to me and getting beaten? You accused me of be for Tyranny - a ridiculous claim.

Bean town, you think Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey, etc. would not be affected by a nuclear winter in the Middle East? Does anybody think of these things? Or is it just assumed we can do whatever we want with our nukes and our allies be damned?

Do we have a giant fan to direct winds away from our allies? I do not think so. I think Iran is willing to call our bluff.

We will not choose the theatre of war. We will not nuke anyone. Europe and Asia will have a say. Russia and China might speak in kind.

Thanks for the reference.

One major problem with your condemnation of ethnic diversity within a nation is you've never been able to define "America Culture" beyond some misty references to merit and white skin pigmentation. In fact, if American culture can be defined as unbridled consumerism, then American culture is flourishing in many sections of the globe. Have you ever watched the Mexican stations such as Telemundo etc? Almost pure knock-offs of American TV. You claim they hate us; their cultural emulation and consumer sentiment suggests otherwise.

Perhaps you will define American culture?