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     The Penn State football sex scandal, and the depraved response of the university community at all levels, tells whatever you need to know about the spiritual condition of this floundering, rudderless, republic and its ignoble culture.
     For nine years, head coach Joe Paterno covered up a grad student's report of having witnessed former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky anally raping a ten-year-old boy in the athletic department's shower room. The grad student, Mike McQueary, didn't bother to call the police. He was later hired as Paterno's defensive coordinator. Two other Penn State administrators were informed about the rape and let the incident slide, after which Sandusky went on to a lively career in serial child homosexual rape. For many years after the witnessed incident, he was permitted regular access to Penn State's gyms, fields, and locker rooms, while cherry-picking victims from his own foundation, Second Mile, for needy children.
     The intersection of America's fake warrior culture of football with the nation's fake moral and ethical culture is instructive. It has many levels, like a convoluted freeway intersection of on-ramps, off-ramps, and merge-ramps. 
     First is the pretense that college football is a character-building endeavor. Rather it's an odious money-grubbing racket that chews up and spits out quasi-professional players who, with rare exceptions, only pretend to be students. It corrupts everyone connected with it. College football is little more than a giant conduit for vacuuming money out of alumni, hawking brand merchandise, and generating TV revenues. At Penn State, the racket sucked in about $70 million a year net profit. All over America, the old land-grant diploma mills pay their coaches million-dollar salaries, while academic adjunct professors can't even get health insurance. At SUNY-Albany, the flagship campus of New York's system, they got rid of the department of foreign languages, but the football team plays on. Meanwhile ordinary students rack up tens of thousands of dollars in unpayable college debt via a related racket in which free-flowing government-backed Sallie Mae loan money prompts colleges to boost tuition rates way beyond inflation rates.
     Then there is the merge-ramp between religion and football. Was I the only person revolted by video of the phony "prayer" session held in the Penn State stadium just before Saturday's "big game" with the University of Nebraska? Players from both teams led by Jesus-shouting cheerleaders affected to "pray" for Jerry Sandusky's rape victims, an exercise that was joined and legitimized by the crowd with all the passion of a Nuremberg rally. When that easy little ritual was out of the way they could settle back and enjoy the game's ersatz heroics with a clear conscience, and the tailgate barbeques that followed. A genuine sense of collective shame would have produced a different course of events - for instance cancelling the game, maybe the rest of the season, or perhaps even the entire football program in plain recognition of how foul and corrupt it is. That decision would have been up to the university's board of trustees and tells you all you need to know about corporate leadership in America today. 
     Perhaps even more disgusting than the pre-game prayer show was the rash of demonstrations the night the story broke. These weren't about shame and repentance, just violent displays of sanctimonious "moral" support for an entire system in disgrace. Do you suppose these people could not have endured a night or two of uncomfortable silent reflection. And why didn't the new president, or any other campus executive, make a pubic statement that all the prideful carrying-on was indecent?  I wonder how many of the same students will be ground down to dust by the weight of their unpayable college loans.
     Equally disgusting was the cable news media's wall-to-wall coverage of the Penn State story, as if there weren't other important events going on in the world - for instance the resignation of two European prime ministers due to a political crisis that could sink the global economic system. CNN turned the Penn State story into an instant reality-TV show, with play-by-play action and spin-o-rama scenario-flogging aimed mainly, it seemed, at how Coach Joe Paterno might manage to wiggle out of culpability in the civil lawsuits that are sure to dog him now until the end of his days.
     What the public doesn't know is how soon the sun will be setting on these giant universities in their entirety - football, classrooms, alumni golden circles, and all - as we enter the age of intense energy and capital scarcities. Remember: institutions, just like living organisms, often reach their greatest scale just before they go extinct. Resource constraints would be enough to get the job done, but it's interesting to see how our programming failures and internal moral contradictions have reached the last limits of flamboyant grotesquerie in the same exact moment.
     This is a nation with psychological boundary problems in every realm - the family, the school, the government, the corporation, the diocese, the police station, you name it. Meanwhile the so-called fine arts branch of our culture valorizes "transgressive" behavior - as if there were any behavioral boundaries left to cross. Maybe Jerry Sandusky should be sentenced to a one-man show at the Whitney Museum. Then just wait a week or so: we'll get Jeffrey Dahmer, the Musical on Broadway.
     Every new day that dawns lately gives further proof that we are a wicked people who deserve to be punished.
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James,

The fear mill is being ginned-up, as it was with W just before the Iraq invasion. The US hegemony is looking to extend its greedy, avaricious grasp. The OWSers, meanwhile, want more public housing and less money in the evil, rapacious hands of Goldman Sachs. Is this a flaw in human nature, or is the system a source of such evils? Best, kulturCritic

http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/avarice-belligerence-greed-a-reflection-on-human-nature/

Where, James, is the sense of proportionality in all of this from Penn State. Corruption and wickedness abound in the system, where institutional accountability (virtual), trumps individual conscience. kulturCritic

the rate at which we see our institutions expose their scars is alarming. it certainly shows how dearly we care to preserve image, our reputations, our situational morality, which has always been situational after all...

and yet we americans, with our wonderful qualities, and yes, we have many, we're so docile now...perhaps there is something to be said for the fluoride in the water....

I've noticed for some time that the emphasis in this country is more on sports than on education, i.e. science, math, language arts, etc. This is even true at the high school level where there is almost always adequate funding for football, basketball, etc while academics suffers from funding cuts. It's all a matter of priorities. In China and India, academics is the priority, in USA, it is football. It won't take much imagination to see who will be the economic leaders in the future.

sixth.

Not to detract in any way from the total sleeze at Penn State, but I'll bet that every football enterprise at every school from regional state schools on up has equally degnerate skeletons in their closets.
Some real life examples: I was an Asst. Prof (prior to getting out of teaching/academia and going to med school)at a branch of a major state university in the Southeast. It was a running joke among the profs that if looked like you were going to give a football jock a D or F (both would foul his "scholarship") in one of the big 300 person psych 101 classes (they seemed to only take 101 classes in all subjects), the asst coaches would send in test taker for the final. We caught this happening on numerous occasions, reported it and and were told to shut the hell up by the dean. The jocks involved were never punished to our knowledge.

On many occasions that I personally know about, the dean or his assistant would actually effect an over-ride grade change after some sort of "paper" was written in lieu of the jock passing an exam (the paper, I'm sure, was written by one of the teams of cute girls that the football team hired as "tutors").

On a non academic level, the local chevvy dealers competed to "loan" brand new sports cars to the football players. There was evidence that these cars were kept by the players even after they left, in flagrant violation of the supposed SECA "rules."

Two of the assistant coaches were caught bringing underage high school girls to the jock dorm for sex parties. It all got hushed up and no one was punished. No one!!! (the cops probably got free tickets to the games for a season or two and thought they were special)

In talking with many other faculty members from schools in all regions and all levels of academic status, it is clear to me that the above goes on everywhere college football is played. Many faculty members, out of cognitive dissonance, attempt to minimize this sort of thing by referencing the need for sports to fund academics, or by writing it all off as young dumb jocks just "sowing their wild oaks." What is really is, is is a reflected of a completely debased and degenerate culture and a completed debased and degenerate people with no hope whatsoever of redemption. As a culture, we deserve what's coming.

Ra Ra, go team!!!!!

Sports has long been the "circuses" for the modern American/Roman. The world is burning down around people and all they care about is college sports? Rioting over a game? Mr. Kunstler is correct in his assessment, as always...

Visit the Leibowitz Socety at http://leibowitzsociety.blogspot.com/2011/11/guns-of-august.html for more commentary on our collapsing society and culture, as well as discussion of the preservation of information before the coming Dark Age.

It's times like this that I'm glad I don't have TV, cable or otherwise, and that I'm free from addiction to it.

Meantime, we at Transition Voice started a new website: Occupy Parenting to at least try to tackle some of the issues of a system out of control while helping families weather the storm. Kids will be the one inheriting the poop storm we've made. Parents need to band together, show some maturity, and at least try to fight back against the insidious tide.

Lindsay Curren
Editor
Transition Voice

As a long time JHK reader but first time poster, I am compelled to comment as a PSU alum. I must say Jim is dead on with most of his points. It is any wonder that with society placing sports completly out of whack that these coverups occur. While football and many other big time college sports have become a business, I think it is somewhat important to talk about the problems of the universities as a whole. At these state supported schools, the mission of education gets lost in politics and budgets. The typical well heeled Board of Trustees couldn't be further removed from the typical student or even the alum with a normal career or income. It is any wonder that two arenas in our country where inflation is out of control - secondary education and health care, have been largly insultated from the demands of accountabilty and organizational efficiency of delivery of goods and services the rest of the private sector has been subjected to. While I know Jim thinks higher education will eventually be relegated to the upper class like in Colonial times, I feel these institutions can and will play a crutial role in the years ahead. Penn State started as an agricultural school and may get back to focusing on this and other areas needed to make the transitions Jim is so good at pointing out we need to make. Penn State developing breakthrough drought resisitant crops may one day give it greater glory than any Big Ten sports championship

11th!

I'm gonna veer of course here a bit. I saw David Gregory's interview of Michele Bachmann yesterday on Meet The Press. Right near the end of the interview, after extolling the virtues of torture, this crazy-eyed troglodyte had the nerve to say that Iraq should pay back the US the $800B we spent (I think she's is understating the amount) to invade (not her word) their country and that the families of every soldier killed should receive millions of dollars in compensation from the Iraqi government. This is the height of hypocrisy, insanity and mean-spiritedness. I don't need to expand on this; her words speak for themselves.

Amerikkka, the land of sanctimonious thieving fascist scumfucks.

There is a perfect storm of issues domestic and foreign that is about to lay a hurtin' on the US. I wonder if the positive resistance starting to crop up from OWS is the start of a return to sanity, or if it's too little and far too late. Time will tell I guess but for now I'm having my kids learn Cantonese, and teaching them how to field-dress game.

I was going to "tease" the Penn St. football fans on my usual ride home on route 80 with a message on my rear window. It didn't take me long to figure out that someone would probably either run me off the road or punch me in the mouth at the rest stop. While they normally look like a bunch of smacked asses in their pretty boy sweaters, the looked especially doucheish with the 'what are you looking at' expressions on their faces.

Switching the subject to last week's federal holiday, Veteran's Day, did anyone else squirm a little at all the "honor" bestowed on the veterans of our recent fiascos in the Middle East? How often did we all hear the solemn "thank-you for your service."

What I felt compelled to say was, I am so sorry you volunteered or were forced by poverty to take part in this immoral bloodbath on behalf of our greedy, corporate, resource-hungry empire. My condolence to you and your family. Good luck getting the decent health care (physical & mental) you're likely going to need.

But saying such a thing is like shouting "Fuck Jesus!" in the middle of a Catholic Mass.

You err when you refer to Joe Paterno's superiors. No one, especially not the athletic director, and not eventhe president, told Paterno what to do.
Penn State, like most prestige universities, pumps industries for "research dollars," and as a result seldom finds pollution in polluting industries or harm in cutting down forests.

I'm glad Nascar tracks don't have team shower rooms.

On another energy related matter the killing of the Keystone Pipeline produced the expected petulant child response from Canada's Conservatives.(for those bloggers who remember Lily Tomlin's Edith Ann character think of that voice as you read it) Well if you won't build through your precious territory we'll just build it through our northern territory....don't worry your pretty little head about it our territory and watersheds will take all those risks... heck we'll even build a supertanker port on our northern Pacific coast...our entire Pacific coastline will be at risk ...but don't blame us if an oil spill hits your Alaskan coast it won't be our fault you didn't let it be built on your precious territory....besides we gonna sell the oil to the Chinese....how do you like them apples eh!

Wow! Thank you for watching the football game, so that I didn't have to.

It's good to make the connections.

The Faculty Association at my local land grant college went on strike last week. I went out to picket with them.

Although many commented that the football coach makes far more than any other person on campus, no one made the connections that JHK did.

And I didn't know the sordid details of this scandal, or the impunity of football players and their misdeeds. (Thanks, wardoc)

Amazing.

I just want to point out that there is some problem with this blog entry -- it seems not to have a title, so there is no link to click from the main page of Jim's site. I had to click on the CFN link, then on the Comments link to actually get here. I hope Jim or someone will fix it.

Wow, JHK, you're so disgusted that you don't even bother with a title. I guess the ugly spectacle was too much even for you. May I suggest one for you? "From Penn State to State Pen"--it has a nice ring to it, although I admit it isn't original. I cribbed it from a video feature comparing the Dallas Cowboys with the Oakland Raiders 30 years ago. I always rooted for the Raiders. At least their players were honest about what they were.

I haven't blogged about the Penn State scandal at Crazy Eddie's Motie News, although I made a comment about it on my Facebook page. "Until last week, if you had told me that Joe Paterno would lose his job over a sex scandal, I wouldn't have believed you. This is proof that reality has no editors." That's a good line to remember as things become more unbelievable, yet remain true.

As for what I have blogged about, I've been busy with local elections (austerity was on the ballot, even if the voters didn't realize it), the Republican debate which took place up the road from my house, and the latest news from the Occupy Movement. Later this week, I've programmed a series of posts on Objectivism and how it contributes to collapse. For starters, collapse is right there in the manual, "Atlas Shrugged."

http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

Panem et cirscenses. Coliseum games so we fail to notice that the center has failed...

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I don't think that they killed it, outpost. They merely postponed the decision until after the 2012 election. The one that deranged Obama supporters are hoping will finally free their man up to become FDR.

Yeah, we'll see the real Obama then! That Keystone deal will fly right through, and Social Security and Medicare will have stakes run through their hearts.

Another trenchant screed, Mr. Kunstler!
The devolution continues. The conjunction of crumbling infrastructure, faux culture, military aggrandizement, and judicial unaccountability is "interesting" [to say the least], and a sobering glimpse into the future (or lack thereof) of the cleverest monkeys.

Will the most aggressive, vicious baboons prevail? Plan your "future" according to your bets...

been inside one of them thar trailers...? i m not bitter; i m just sayin'...

It is all just too depressing for words. I felt the same way. Why didn't they cancel the game? These people acted as a collective group of crazies. Morals. Right. Save the children. Right. Until it effects the old wallet. I am disgusted beyond words.

James,

Amen or right on... your choice.

Peter

I'd suggest lessons in Mandarin rather than Cantonese if you want your children to learn a Chinese language. Mandarin is the official dialect and has more prestige. Surf over to YouTube and subscribe to NMAtv, Next Media Animation's English language channel, where they've just started a series of Mandarin lessons. The lessons work for all ages and for us adults, it helps that the presenter (Carole) is easy on the eyes.

"It is any wonder" that Amerika is in the shitter when a PSU "alum" can author such garbage. Methinks Amerikans have been "insultated" from reality for too long, and the rest of us have been subjected to y'all for far too long.

Its "somewhat important", in fact its "crutial", that you hear this message!

Time to wake up and grow up, you morons.

...And, as always, it behooves us to pay some mind to which idols we choose to erect and worship.

Remembrance can sometimes [appropriately] be an exercise in shame.

At the end of JHK's post today I am seeing an ad for Fantasy Football. Ironic isn't it. Is any one else getting that ad or am I being targeted by google?

Er no, never been to a track but I can imagine that as well I'm sure and a "vibrant" motel culture existing on the periphery.

(I am loath to use the analogy but I'd be remiss if it wasn't used.) In his analysis of the college sporting culture, in the wake of the exposure of the PSU - NAMBLA event; JHK throws a perfect 70 yard spiral bullet to his receiver(s) for a touchdown. Point after is good!

"I don't believe in colleges and universities. I believe in libraries because most students don't have any money. When I graduated from high school, it was during the Depression and we had no money. I couldn't go to college, so I went to the library three days a week for 10 years.”
― Ray Bradbury

I've always been suspect of the priorities of college football. The whole mess at Penn State makes my stomach hurt.

The university where I work announced recently that we are building a new football stadium. REALLY!? We also raise tuition every year because the state is not doing it's part. Even though the money is coming from donors, it's disgraceful. Did anyone ask the donors if they would please support academics?

When those women make allegations about Cain I think they were adults that could slap the crap out of him and call the police. Not doing so and then whining about it later annoys me. And when I think about those victims of Sandusky compared to those women, I want to tell those women to shut up and grow up. And no, I'm not a Cain fan. I just know what I would do if a man treated me like that. Slap the crap out of him and call the police. Simple.

There are good people in the world. We should encourage and support them.

Jim,
One of your best blogs ever. Why is no one else saying these things?

My city kicked in $20 million to help knock down the university's old stadium and arena and build new ones.

The perfect blend of sleezy construction deals mixed with football worship.

And then they announced that the city was broke and needed to privatize the water system.

Indeed, football, especially college football, is exactly what you describe! That’s OK, because it also serves as yet another sign that our culture is either on the threshold of a major leap forward, akin to what was about to happen to the Aztecs just as the conquistadors arrived to the new world, or be lost to history. We’re primed and ready folks; get ready for the new dawn!

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You're obviously not a woman.

You really think that you can call the police and announce that you assaulted your boss because he made a pass at you? What do you think they'd do?

They'd either laugh at you or arrest you.

It is high time for a Children's Rights movement. This kind of abuse goes on all over the world and is the main reason the planet is a complete mess.

Google Psychohistory and read about the systemic child abuse throughout history and how it has shaped our world.

Aimlow Joe was here
http://www.aimlow.com

change the name to PEDO STATE


When money trumps everything

W. once said "Sometimes money trumps everything."
I think it's all the time at this point in our history and we are exporting that vision all over the world.

The new Christianity informs us that in a break with the Protestant Reformation, Martin Luther's "filthy lucre" that reeks of sulfur is the new god. When that happens then all that matters is the bottom line.

Or in the words of the vacuous Charlie Sheen , "WINNING"!

We are living in "Blue Velvet" when everything looks real good until you turn over a rock--and what do you think you will you find underlying everything?

Well, imagine that a 10 year old boy among others experienced Sodomy at the hands of an assistant coach. Someone walks in, witnesses the act and allows it to continue. One dare not say a word to the winning coaches and team. Why what would happen to the winning streak if that were to be stopped?

I guess you have to take the good with the bad. Isn't that what life is all about?

It's amazing that with all the phony baloney yapping about religion, as with everything else from foreign policy to the economy nobody actually has any knowledge of anything.

Why you can write new tax laws on the back of a post card!

Yes, its all about domination and control, we know. It is our national character around the world as we contemplate an attack on Iran who refuses to end nuclear research.

The neo-conserves are rearing their ugly heads once more. One wonders how they are going to convince us to do the neoliberal/neoconservative military and financial full spectrum dominance thing once more.

The Rep campaign is all about starting something that could bring about disaster, but not to worry. We need to bring in our global enterprises everywhere and through massive debt, change the face of governments everywhere.

And yet... and yet, Pakistan should be ignored as it sends nuclear warheads around in vans in broad daylight in heavily traffic-jammed streets because they are paranoid about us.

The Rep campaign is all about starting something that could bring about disaster, but not to worry. We need to bring in our global enterprises everywhere and through massive debt, change the face of governments everywhere.

sorry about the repeat paragraph

Not only does this week's blog essay have NO TITLE, I can only read the first paragraph of the essay. When I get to the bottom of that paragraph there is nothing to click on to take me to the balance of the essay. This situation is only affecting some of us since, obviously, most of you have been able to read the whole thing.

Jim, if you're monitoring the site this morning, please take note.

"Equally disgusting was the cable news media's wall-to-wall coverage of the Penn State story, as if there weren't other important events going on..."

So this is the topic that you lead with? Hello, not so hip, hypocrite.

It was more than 30 years ago I remember my dad swearing off pro football saying it was staged and and a fraud and becoming a devoted fan of college ball thinking it a more fitting example of good ol' American athletic endeavor.

Concerning your last comment, since we no longer believe in God, who is going to do the punishing?

Ripped: I think Google targets those things to specific individuals. Have you been searching for fantasy football stuff on the web lately? :)
The ads I'm seeing are all related to my recent searches or on-line shopping.
Mila

Ha ha. My dad said (says) the same thing. It's so depressing. Sigh.
Mila

It was more than 30 years ago I remember my dad swearing off pro football saying it was staged and and a fraud and becoming a d

Penn State’s Head Coach, Joe Paterno, addressed the media this morning (November 9, 2011):

Good day, everyone. Thank you for coming here today to the University Park YMCA. We have a busy schedule; we’ve found ourselves a little behind, and have a lot to cram in, so I would like to push forward right away . . .

For the past four decades, as the head of the Penn State football program, I worked hard to grow every dimension of this beloved ivory tower. My every vein pumped with pride in my head role. From small beginnings, we ballooned to become the most explosive team in men’s collegial sports. You can imagine how all this has given me a big head and a swollen pride that has become a little too large to swallow.

Each day, we managed the delicate balance between the two great poles of sports and academia. Our tender, young jocks graduated as hardened men knowing how to stay in front in the real world; knowing that we would always be behind them. I tried not to be too rigid in my approach, but I was always firm. I want my spirited, young men to fight hard for every inch; no matter how delicately and delightfully slow the progress. We all can’t be as loose as receivers and tight ends; whether fullback, halfback, or bareback; sometimes, you have to push hard in the trenches to reach your ends.

It chafes me that from the beautiful, new, smooth Halfmoon Valley Road, to Mount Nittany, all the way down the highway to Hershey, we have become, in the end, the butt of every limp joke. It blows me away to think that the head of such a swell thing can be so beaten. The press can be cheeky. It’s as if I had never driven into Entrance, climbed Tower, or even dreamed of playing in Beaver.

Still, no other sports venue has such graceful portals with such enormous seating capacity. It was a great thrill to emerge from that dark tunnel to the resounding screams of the student body. The boys will never tire of receiving that flood of love.

We must extend ourselves to our boosters and backers and their children: We want to cover every member of our team. I give my boys everything I have. No one at Penn State was ever seen as only an appendage. At the risk of laying it on too thick, you are the biggest thing in the world, and the reason we do what we do.

Finally, I am announcing my immediate departure and my replacement as head coach by the talented Rod Stroker. I know he’s ready to go.

Penn State will continue to hold open all its doors in welcome. Our troubles will not stop or stall visits. No matter the trials that hurt or pain us, no matter who has to reign us, in the end, we will go on to glories whole.

This is a little bit out of context with this week's theme, but I just saw the documentary Inside Job by Charles Ferguson. It encompasses the whole wall street debacle & is fascinating. I'm wondering if anyone else has seen it.

Concurrently in the British press there is a similar story of a former cricket player ,Peter Roebuck,later a columnist, who like Sanduskey is accused of sexual assault. With a much more agile mind he was able to see the oncoming ignominy and consequences of imprisonment on such charges and simply stepped out his 6 story room while being interviewed by police. Saving us all being dragged through the gutter of his depravity.

JHK writes:

" It has many levels, like a convoluted freeway intersection of on-ramps, off-ramps, and merge-ramps."

Isn’t that the way its always been? The dignified nobility of classical age Greek sculpture descends into the contorted angst of Hellenistic period. Power once issued with an easy gesture now requires the convoluted coiling of a snake. Like a worm on a hook, the gesticulatory antics of a dying culture valorizes the Chapman Bros. defacing of a rare set of Goya prints by nominating them for the Turner prize.

And yet those seeking to regain a sense of lost moral and national dignity - the Limbaughs' and Hannitys' perhaps - don’t call for a needed unwinding. They tangle the truth of turpitude into another war cry of the jingoistic flag banner. But like the fighter who steps into the ring one time too many times, their banner might as well read: “Let us ride, once again, into the valley of The Little Bighorn”.

Say what you want about crusty John Silber at Boston University (not to be confused, please, with the Jesuit-run Boston College), but he shit-canned the football program in the early1990's. good riddance to all that.

You got that right, PRD. Talk in praise of veterans is cheap, but look to the actions of politicians, i.e. how they're depriving veterans of the DOD's affordable health insurance (called TriCare).
Here's an item from an internet newsletter: http://militaryadvantage.military.com/2011/11/plans-to-take-tricare-prime-from-retirees/

"Look­ing to kick retirees out of TRICARE Prime, Sen. McCain told the 12-member Joint Select Com­mit­tee on Debt Reduc­tion, that restrict­ing working-age retirees and their fam­i­lies from par­tic­i­pat­ing in TRICARE Prime would help them avoid spend­ing cuts that would directly impact readi­ness.

McCain was once a cham­pion for expanded TRICARE ben­e­fits to retirees. But, he now feels elim­i­nat­ing retiree TRICARE Prime is more accept­able than alter­na­tives to cut equip­ment, train­ing or key weapon pro­grams needed by the cur­rent force."

Apparently, we need the money for new humanitarian wars against Iran and Syria.

One might point out that many working age retirees are unemployed or working at low wage, no benefits, no insurance jobs. Unlike Sen. McCain these guys don't have a trophy wife beer heiress to support them; and no Wall Street cronies are dropping money in their donation boxes. McCain has turned into the Manchurian candidate in the last 10 years - an utterly brainwashed, obedient dupe for the Powers That Be. He has sunken beneath contempt, and I wonder if we aren't worse off that he survived the Hanoi Hilton.

Just a shout out to JHK or web admin if there is one, but the board software seem screwed up today aside from the home page not having a title and clickable link but there is also a double posting posting glitch going on and ghosts in the system.

Sports – escapism by means of vicarious triumphs. Nothing more, nothing less.

The need for escapism obviously rises as the real world becomes more and more dreary. I wonder if the events at the Coliseum grew more frequent and more elaborate as the Roman Empire entered its death throes?

Jim,

One of your best posts. A leadership collapse this wide and deep means our culture has collapsed.

Are we screwed? I wouldn't be surprised if our dumbass nation elected Rick Perry in 2012.

That's how screwed we are.

Sadly, I found nothing remarkable about the goings-on in State College, PA, though I suppose my jaded capacity for outrage was somewhat bestirred by the bizarre spectacle of riots SUPPORTING the coach.

I am curious though, has there been anything publicized about the attempts of any of the victims to report the creep? Surely there were many, and surely at least a few over the years said something to their parents? And if so, did NONE of them contact the police?

Replies with links to real reporting appreciated...

Jim,
This blog was by far the best one you have written, since I have been a fan of yours. Not only are you spot on about everything, that I cannot even add to what you said. It makes me wonder about everything in our culture. I got on the facebook page for Penn State and started answering these narcisstic, selfish, students and faculty who were saying they feel badly so they are not to blame, and their university is just like a family...blah, blah. I answered them saying they all bear responsibility for being on a campus that supported this activity, and covered it up. I pointed out their rioting spoke volumes about their lack of kindness, fairnes and brains. They ALL responded telling me to go F myself because I was a definite psycho. OK! I did respond in kind. I e mailed the Board of Trustees to sign a petition to fire McQuery, and told them my son wanted to apply to their school next year (true), but after this revelation about the debase nature of their school supporting their 'PRODUCT' instead of victimized children, we will not even schedule a tour of their campus. I cited they should hang their heads in SHAME, and get rid of the over abundance of time and money put into the SPORTS/GAY/PEDOPHILE ring of money grubbing sickos. How disgusting! Anyway it really is a moral indication about our country, and the direction is not turning around anytime soon.

our culture is either on the threshold of a major leap forward, akin to what was about to happen to the Aztecs just as the conquistadors arrived to the new world,
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Well, that is an interesting interpretation of history!? So, what your saying is, being conquered, enslaved and treated to an extended period of genocide, is a "major leap forward"

OK, then I guess Hiroshima in August 1945 was a major expansion of the city's civic consciousness.

Oh yes, indeed. It's a great eye-opener, isn't it? It just spells everything out beautifully. I was so angry when I watched it (a couple of weeks ago), even though I was already angry before I watched it! Everything is laced with hypocrisy. There is simply nothing left to believe in. I can't vote for Obama...after seeing that...but I can't vote for any of the alternatives, either.
Mila

Hi Jim
Ahh... Jim once again you are breath of fresh air, injecting a little truth into the miasma of lies and the fog of oppression that pervade the national dialogue. The Penn State Perversion is instructive as it shows what the premiere institutions of the land support and sponsor. Child sodomy and pimping, wow, the depravity is right there parading in plain sight. Do you think a new course offering will be in the college catalogue soon? Marketing 101: an introduction to basic pimping, including grooming techniques, financial management and proper coverup guidelines. Still this scandal really shouldn't surprise anyone, football has for a long time lost any connection with education and the fostering of admirable qualities and values in the young of the nation.

Glad to see some mention of the "Three Stooges" like situation in Europe- "who's on first?" indeed. The state of play there gets more cartoon like and surreal with every passing moment. I pointed out last week that the socalled "Western Democracies" have openly abandoned democracy. This week we see two financial henchmen from the ECB being tapped for the leadership spots in Greece and Italy. Oh well, at least poor old Silvio can get on with lecherous leering and groping of young girls in peace. Governing can be so time consuming.

One other stomach turning story that I would like to bring to Clusterfuckers attention. The piece about the improper disposal and handling of the nation's deceased soldiers, as in body parts were thrown in a landfill on a regular basis, for years, along with other aggregious "mistakes" . This story broke on none other than Veteran's Day- see Yahoo and WaPost. Yup, support the troops at it's best. As one commenter above noted the devolution continues, at, I would say, a breakneck pace.

take care all
loveday

I am a woman and if a man touched me inappropriately I would hit him. I have the right to defend myself.

Wardoc,

You are completely correct. I am also a retired teacher and saw the complete degeneration of standards and morals in the public school in NY.
We had a elementary school principal, (who was a defrocked catholic priest, before the pedophile scandal broke), who had child porn in his top drawn. The custodians found it. He was a dispicable character, who also had two adopted boys, (who went to prison). This elementary school principal, died of AIDS at the age of 48.
He hated me because I had the audacity to confront him on issues involving child abuse of a few of my students. He had me transferred to another school, but not before I made a laughing stock of him. It was worth it. That is why I cannot understand how a 23 year old man couldn't stop this coach raping someone. My school principal weighed 350 pounds and was a male. I am a female and only weight 130 lbs. But believe me, after growing up in Brooklyn, I am afraid of nothing when it comes to this kind of behavior.

At least its one down,but millions more to go.

And so the young pups, led by the occasional vicarious type, practice football after school. All through their progression, the training intensifies and the pressure mounts to achieve performance worthy of a scholarship. But what is the alternative in modern day America? More often than not it’s video games and ding-dongs. Or soccer. Which is every bit as deranged as pressurized football on the youth level.

Athletics, and the creative athlete, took a turn for the worse when the adults codified and regimented sports into high-priced activities. Take a look at the cost of hockey; it’s exorbitant. And if a high-school kid wants to play baseball for his high school team he’s strong-armed into paying up and playing for his coach’s summer baseball team. The fees for this insidious form of athletic blackmail can range from 1500 bucks and up just for one summer season.

OK, then I guess Hiroshima in August 1945 was a major expansion of the city's civic consciousness.
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Reminded me of the masterful but of understatement made by the Japanese Emperor during his surrender speech to the Japanese public, when he said "the war, not necessarily having developed to Japan's advantage". Yeah....not necessarily.

Today's essay was a picture perfect expose on the subject presented.

Thanks Jim for the reality check...


we’ve found ourselves a little behind, and have a lot to cram in,
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Clever faux speech Hoyt ... is it your own handiwork or a copy and paste? You had me duped right to the end till you mentioned the replacement coach being Rod Stroker.

Being as smart as I am ;-) I deciphered that play on words pretty quickly and that sent me back to the beginning for a re-read where I now noticed the whole thing was chock full of gems like the excerpt above.

Another trenchant screed, Mr. Kunstler! The devolution continues. The conjunction of crumbling infrastructure, faux culture, military aggrandizement, and judicial unaccountability is "interesting" [to say the least], and a sobering glimpse into the future (or lack thereof) of the cleverest monkeys.

Well stated.

Worth noting, mass exercises in public rituals of self-absolution must never last any longer than a typical broadcast commercial break.

Not worth mentioning - how many predators continue to prowl various other institutions of higher learning where the protection of profits are also aligned with Penn-State-style priorities?

Apart from the excellent main point that you make so well, Albany State's academics listings include many foreign language offerings:
The Department of Languages, Literatures and Cultures (LLC) at the University at Albany offers 11 languages with graduate degrees in French and Spanish, undergraduate degrees and minors in French, Hebrew, Italian, Russian and Spanish (most also offer an honors component), and a minor in Portuguese. Additional languages available for study include Arabic, Dutch, classical Greek, German and Latin.

The reaction to the Penn State scandal was as appalling as the crime. The game goes on following riots in support of Paterno. And praying together before the game to their imaginary friend just makes it all better.

I posted prematurely: Wikipedia has a good run-down of the facts behind the scandal. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Sandusky.

"On November 4, 2011, a grand jury[14] which had been convened in September, 2009, or earlier,[6] indicted Sandusky on 40 counts of sex crimes against young boys. The indictment came after a three-year investigation that explored allegations of Sandusky having inappropriate contact with a 15-year-old boy over the course of four years, beginning when the boy was ten years old. The boy's parents reported the incident to police in 2009.[15] A grand jury identified eight boys that had been singled out for sexual advances or sexual assaults by Sandusky, taking place from 1994 through 2009.[16] At least 20 of the incidents allegedly took place while Sandusky was still employed at Penn State.[17]"

So, there are doubtless scores of persons who had some idea this was going on, for many years. We can leave it to the enterprising investigative reporters of the tabloids to dig out their stories for years to come.

Third Martini:
Here is a link to information about the first investigation WAY back in 1998:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/sports/ncaafootball/aftermath-of-1998-sandusky-investigation-raises-additional-questions.html
Sorry I can't seem to highlight it, so you'll have to copy and paste it into your browser.
Mila

Great things today from Jimbo, for years I thought I was the only one ticked off at all the money thrown at these thick necked assholes.

Cities that are bankrupt, like Detroit, St Louis, but there was always money for a new stadium. Or they can't afford police or fire department, but hundred million dollar contracts for these muscled up jerks.

Great writing I thought, in describing how America just can't focus on what matters, and the terrible immoral parts of some of it.

Yes, you are right. I have also noticed it for "some time," since I was in grade school 50 years ago and it was probably before that. This makes me old enough that I used to hope I would be dead before things got really bad. But now I'm figuring it will be OK to stick around for however long I've got to see what happens and just how "interesting" things will get.


Professional and college sports are promoted to keep the American male and a few camp following
females,
dumb,
distracted and
docile.

Thus they are of great value to the powers that be.

Here's a great quote:

"Take all the mental and sometimes physical energy, the money and the time that the average American spends on professional and college sports and divert it to the care and maintenance of local public schools; we could be the best educated people in the world! Notice how recent talk about revitalizing our schools revolves around the purchase of computer equipment rather than raising teacher's salaries and spending more money per pupil?"

http://www.verdant.net/society.htm

Thank you, JHK, for this:

"fake warrior culture of football "

I love playing sports...and except for the occasional baseball or high-school football game, I HATE watching them. Especially on television.

Sports have only this to commend them: they give morons something to talk about, so they don't start screaming about politics and religion.

They are good surrogates for war, for waddling American dough-boys. As for college sports, read Murray Sperber's Beer and Circuses. It's an eye-opener about how "student athletics" have contributed to the ruination of our college academic system. Sperber got death-threats after the book appeared, from fake warriors I guess.

"Clever faux speech Hoyt ... is it your own handiwork or a copy and paste?"

Thanks, Qshtik. This was the first draft of the speech that I wrote for JoePed before he rejected it, reported me to the Penn State Athletic Director, and I was immediately fired.

The "killing" on the Keystone Pipeline. I doubt it; it's just been put on the back burner until November 7, 2012. Anyhow, I doubt seriously that it will ever be built. Things may just fall apart before construction really gets started. And besides, the protesters are still pledging "non-violent" protest, but pipeline construction has to be incredibly vulnerable to sabotage.

We had a elementary school principal ..... who had child porn in his top drawn.
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Well Insuff, for the sake of the little children, I hope you weren't their English teacher. The words are an and drawer and titles get capitalized.

And speaking of morals ... what were those custodians doing rooting around in the Principal's top drawn?

Roy Gricar, the former DA who elected not to prosecute Sandusky in '98, went missing in 2005 and has never been found:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/11/ray-gricar-missing-jerry-sandusky-pennsylvania-da_n_1088950.html?ref=sports&ir=Sports

BTW, today's blog is hard to arrive at as the HTML is screwed up and almost invisible. Had to go to the blog page and fish around in page source to find the URL.

I'm on a MAC using OSX and Firefox.

Sorry: RAY Gricar

"The need for escapism obviously rises as the real world becomes more and more dreary. I wonder if the events at the Coliseum grew more frequent and more elaborate as the Roman Empire entered its death throes? "

Of course they did. Let's view professional sports (as well as those at the college level) for what it is - a glorious orgy of blood-sport served up to the masses to keep them occupied and mollified while the plutocrats plunder the treasure. It's always been this way, only difference now is that it's forced to compete with the equally vacuous and pointless sideshows of popular entertainment trotted out on the flat screens of Merica. The Veteran's Day jingoism on display last week is another example, having been elevated to the point of absurdity. Display the national heroes on their venerated day and you kill two birds with one stone; the grunts get to bask in the glory of the suckered masses and the powers-that-be can continue to convince said masses that "might makes right" and "they served to protect our freedoms" from the shifty, evil brown people all over the globe who have nothing better to do than plot the destrucion of our great democracy because they despise our freedoms.

It's all just empty calories of fast food for a fat, hungy nation.

You nailed it again Jim! Spent last weekend in PA and you would think there was no other news on earth. We considered send our kids to Penn State, but after a few visits we were turned off buy the jock culture. Alumni typically need a 5th year to master hand stand keg beer drinking.

A sad testimony to the educational system,waste of time and parents money

Despite all the church going and praying, there is no moral leadership at the school.

I like that looney's suggestion. We can take the money out of the oil revenues.

I believe in them too, work in one in fact, but libraries are going down the tube faster than anything else. Most people have no idea what a thin thread the whole system of public libraries is hanging from.

What gang of self-loathing pederasts would name their congregational hall, "Beaver Stadium"?

@keystonekid (9:15 a.m.)

"It is any wonder" that Amerika is in the shitter when a PSU "alum" can author such garbage. Methinks Amerikans have been "insultated" from reality for too long, and the rest of us have been subjected to y'all for far too long.

Its "somewhat important", in fact its "crutial", that you hear this message!

Time to wake up and grow up, you morons.


Learn Chinese? So that your children can become servants to the Chincoms? Your children will never ever learn enough Chinese to function at a level beyond that.

Just Google "difficulty in learning Chinese."

I know a couple that majored in Chinese and got a masters in it.
She cannot read a simple news story without constant reference to a dictionary. He talks to the local lady that owns the laundrymat. She's been here for ten years and speaks as she said "far better English than he speaks Chinese". She laughs at him.

She can't make herself understood in a Chinese restaurant. The waiters constantly start talking to her in English.

No one can learn Chinese unless they grew up there or are dedicating their entire life to it and have a great talent for languages.


Advertisement? Where? I don't see one ad except for Jim's books.

Use Firefox and install their free Adblock Plus.
You'll never see another ad again.

Excellent post James, and many of the comments are spot on as well.

Personally I decided at 23 to stop watching people chase balls on TV, with an occasional exception for Brazilian women's volleyball.

As to the comment "insulated from reality," having lived out of the US for 20 years in a poor country, believe me, you hit it right on the noggin'. Americans have so little sense of the privilege and wastefulness of their 'culture", both at present and when compared to the trajectory of human history.

So thankful I got out of football and got out of Dodge....

Hoyt, you're a hoot.


Caleb Temple

I hope you're not serious. Extorting money from the victim? I don't remember the Iraqi people asking for it.

Another spot on column by JHK. Interestingly, sexually abusing children is just another form of overpowering weaker, smaller people. Pedophiles are attracted to children because they can control them, by saying things like let me do this or I’ll kill your mommy and the kid believes that his mom might die so he keeps quiet. The child is also very ashamed about what happened so children have a tendency to remain silent. The pedophile is well aware of that and operates without fear of being caught. It’s a crime that is beyond disgusting. The recidivisms rate is huge, making a “cure” nearly impossible. The best way to stop pedophiles is to report any suspicious behavior immediately. Joe Paterno would still have his job if he had just spoken up. McQueary will probably be fired too. All he had to do was speak up. But fear and disgust apparently rendered him silent.

Unwanted sex seems to be everywhere in the news now. Herman Cain has been accused by at least 4 women of sexual harassment. According to 1 woman, he shoved his hand up her dress, reached for her crotch and told her if she wanted a job, she would have to put out. He was counting on her desperation and her embarrassment to keep her silent. And for a while, she kept his actions a secret. Mr. Cain also paid off two other women to keep them silent about his harassing them. I worked for many years in a NYC law firm and I can state, with dead certainty, that anytime a man pays off a plaintiff to keep quiet about a sexual harassment case, its because he’s GUILTY. It makes you wonder why Mr. Cain didn’t hire call girls when he was looking for some strange? Possibly its because it wasn’t so much about sex as it was about POWER. He wanted to overpower someone smaller and weaker than himself and employees are always the perfect victims. Any employee who speaks up, is likely to be fired and not be able to work again in their chosen industry.

Why Cain is still in the running is a mystery to me. Who’d vote for that guy, let alone send him campaign donations? And shouldn’t those donors ask themselves the obvious question -- would you want your daughter working for Herman Cain?

Water privatization is one of my worst fears as far as local politics go. The city keeps cutting, cutting, cutting. It would be interesting to know what happened where you are. You know, the government in Bolivia -- not the current, Evo Morales administration, but the one he replaced -- was going to do that with the water supply. The people took to the streets in the tens of thousands and raised hell until they shut the fuckers down and ran them out of the country. It cost some of the protesters their lives, but they stopped it. I'm afraid that if the city government suggests privatizing the water utility, people here will just say, "ho hum, so what, wonder who will get voted off Dancing With the Stars tonight?"

Asking China to do more about it's fiscal policies, when the US dollar is the world's reserve currency and all  oil is traded in dollars (free money) is like asking Ghengis Khan to do more for charity. Obama wants to double exports to Asia. Also, last week Boeing announced it has sold 50 planes to UAE. Meanwhile, the UK government has announced a £50 billion road and bridge building program. May we humbly ask when NASA is to start prospecting on the moons of Jupiter? Unless of course 50 jumbo jets and 30 million cars can run on Starbucks coffee.... 

100th!

You're right about the anger & I agree with you about the voting. I've always figured that no matter what, I should vote, but it seems to me that that would just help make the whole rotten business seem legitimate. The truth is that the systematic corruption of the government by the financial services industry has rendered the voting process meaningless. I don't see how it can be recovered short of an actual revolution. I guess that I can relate this to Penn State, since we have all been raped in the shower so to speak, and you can't unfuck a little boy any more than you can undo the damage that has been done. You are right, I can't bring myself to vote for Obama either. Support the OWS movement. I'm gonna send a donation today.

The problem with college is that too many people go. Most jobs that require a college degree could be done with two years education and some on the job training. also, too many people go who are not college material in the first place. And the ones who are smart major in subjects that they can't find job in or doesn't pay squat. No one wants to do anything that is hard.

my son is a prime example. He majored in sociology. He had a great sat score. I begged him to major in engineering or to go to dental school and take over from me. The top three or four kids in his high school class have similar stories.

As far as Sandusky is concerned, he should be shot on the fifty yard line at the next penn state home game. Those involved in the cover up should be forced to be on the firing squad.

By the way, I gave several copies of the documentary out for my friends to see. I encourage others to do the same.

According to the homosexual marriage promoters, the ten year old is at least old enough to get married to the coach now...I mean its as normal as apple pie right?

Yup, yup, and yup. I agree. I was down at Occupy Boston yesterday.
My oldest child has participated in Occupy Boston, Occupy Wall Street, and Occupy Amherst. We're going strong.
But still...what a f##ked up world.

Dear Qshtik,

Excuse my typos. I am not a good proofreader. Hopefully, you got the message though. I didn't realize I was being graded. Since you took the time to proofread and correct, I know you at least read it.

I think the U.S. already is in the top five on what we spend per student. It is how the money is spent that needs to be reconfigured. Besides sports, we waste money trying to bring the bottom 50% up. You could focus the entire education budget on the bottom 50% and it would not make a damn bit of difference.

I don't know what style handbook you use, but I've never heard that one capitalizes the word "principal" unless you are directly addressing someone or referring to someone, i.e. "Principal Smith," or "Dear Principal Smith." When we talk about the president, the principal, the chief executive, etc. in a sentence, we don't have to capitalize those words. Check the Chicago Manual of Style.

"It's times like this that I'm glad I don't have TV, cable or otherwise, and that I'm free from addiction to it."


I'm so tired of these holier-than-thou anti-TV people. Sure, there is lots of crap on TV, but that does not make the medium itself "evil" or "addictive." There seems to be an intrinsic self-righteous attitude among such TV critics, as if they, because of their intellectual superiority, are immune to the "propaganda" promulgated by the evil TV powers. "Oh those poor rubes that are addicted to TV are being brainwashed to conform to our consumerist cultural construction."

The hypocrisy among these types is self-evident in their use of the Intar-Webs to express their views in various blogs and message boards. The latter are probably MORE addictive than TV. And would HK be willing to give up his Intar-Webs presence in his simpler, more localized economy? Why isn't he working in his organic garden instead of blogging?

And in regards to sports, why throw the baby out with the bathwater? Human history is filled with athletics and physical "games" of various sorts. Sociologically speaking, these rule-based activities are an important pressure valve whete we can release our more tribal tendencies to engage in battle. Just the fact our culture can have hundreds of such "battles" without death or destruction every week is tribute to our self-control. And it's true that most sports haters are folks that have no natural physical ability or willingness to test the same with others. HK probably avoided Little League or ice hockey. I for one, am proud that, while not exceptional at any of the major sports in our country, I at least could join a pickup game of b-ball or play some hockey on a lake in winter. In short, sports, their invention and execution, are one of the better attributes of our species.

The cash cow that ad dollars brought in just wandered away from the farm.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203537304577032393198692010.html

Way back in the 70s, a family member was a TA at a big ten school. She had one student who just seemed too small, or something, to be a quarterback. He got a good grade for the class, but the next semester she saw a big photo of him in the local grocery--except that it was someone else. The actual quarterback had paid her student to take the class for him, figuring this female instructor wouldn't know the difference. Enough said...

I agree with you. I am a terrible athlete but I had a lot of fun playing football in the yard and in school. Having fun and getting exercise should be what it is all about. same with TV. No one is forced to watch so why complain.

"And it's true that most sports haters are folks that have no natural physical ability or willingness to test the same with others." - Tancred (the Weak)

Bullsh**. There is a great chasm between those of us who enjoy playing sports and those who enjoy WATCHING sports. Get off your butt. Go play. Then, when you're ready to recover, pick up a copy of Jerry Mander's, "Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television".

http://www.amazon.com/Arguments-Elimination-Television-Jerry-Mander/dp/0688082742/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1321292694&sr=1-1

P.S. I can kick your a** in any sport you name.

Hey, Give the guy some credit as he is batting .500. At least he is smarter than 99+% of Americans who think Pro sports aren't rigged. And to make matters even worse, 99% of those 99% laugh at Pro wrestling fans. They should talk!

The Devil is a Bureacrat and loves Bureacracies. One of the delicious aspects is their capacity to decieve both insiders and outsiders. Often someone with a higher title is actually lower in the real hierarchy. Joe Pa duely reported the rape - to someone who was basically lower than him. In other words, he grounded it while seeming to do his duty. The Devil loves Joe Pa and Joe Ma.

Vicarious atonement and victories. Yes. But for them to be "effective" they need real sacrafices, including human, evidently.

Personally, I love football.

I like the idea that just as one of my favorite events, the US Tennis Open, is winding up over in NY the slack will be taken up by football.

I can look forward to sitting on my ass all the live long day on Saturdays, the crisp air, the bright rays glinting through the red and golden leaves outside my window, as there is no end of college games to choose from. And I can continue vegetating through the pro offerings of Sunday and Monday night when I should be out taking a walk or raking some leaves.

If (hapless) Rutgers (one of my Alma Maters) is being aired I will have them on the 50" flatscreen and some other (usually top 10) contest simultaneously showing on the old 20" curved screen staged beneath the big one. All this while squeezing in blog comments on my laptop during halftime, commercial breaks, injury delays, and official reviews of calls on the field to see if there is indisputable evidence etc, etc.

The rest of the world has their obsessions like soccer, cricket and ping pong suggesting there is something in our DNA but at least here in the good 'ol USA we don't murder a player for missing a shootout kick like they do in Brazil.

And consider the female role in all this, they get to be where the boys are even though they may not have a clue what's going on ... or, if they are fortunate enough to be beautiful and enthusiastic, they get to make a sexual display of themselves on the sidelines (which they dearly love), smiling, jumping up and down and treating us to the sight of their giggling copious breasts.

What's not to like?

You know what I wish? I wish all you anti-sports nuts would, just once, write your diatribes before a pedophilia scandal breaks rather than after.

Also let's not forget the horrors of Left Wing Academia with its speech codes and fake scholarship. Who can forget the Duke University gang of 84 who in cahoots with the District Attorney of a Black electorate tried to dragoon three White guys into prison for rape? The moral? Several: women often lie about these things; liberal professors are vicious ignorant people who refuse to apologize even when proven to be wrong; Conservatives are clueless since the student body is largely conservative and as are alumni and trustees. Why on earth did they hire professors of PC hatred and bile as they did? Duke University obviously contains some of the worst elements of both Left and Right Wing Academia.

"You know what I wish? I wish all you anti-sports nuts would, just once, write your diatribes before a pedophilia scandal breaks rather than after." -Q.

I quite certain I've granted this wish, and more than once. I'm not "anti-sports" per se; I'm anti for-pay ORGANIZED and PROFESSIONAL sports.

FWIW, breasts don't generally giggle; they jiggle.
(Which makes them all the better to juggle. ;o)

All of us have been marred by this evil culture. All of us guilty in proping it us. Admit your sin, your evil, your decadence as I do mine. Else how can you be absolved? Turn off the tv and go hunting. Go kill something and stop killing your soul. Try eating it raw, give your appendix a work out. Or skin, clean, and cook - enjoying the whole process.

Get a hunting dog and tweed jacket. Then some other tweeded gentleman can remark of you that "he has the most extraordinary kelly blue bitch". Get a pipe and learn to work it. When you meet the gentleman on your daily walk, you two will have much to speak about. See how it works?

That response should begin: "I am", "I be", "I is", or perhaps, "I'm". ;o)

I don't know what style handbook you use
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The spell checker that comes loaded on the Windows 7 Op Sys advised me it should be capitalised (capitalized*).

*Note: the spell checker accepts either spelling. These "rules" are not carved in stone. Sometimes I just like to bust balls for amusement.

BTW, if I had written the excerpted sentence above I would have used a hyphen. style-handbook

Thank you. People are desperate to focus on pedophilia as if it has nothing to do with Homosexuality. In fact, they abuse children at three times the rate of Heterosexuals. And again yes, the Homosexual Establishment is beyond eager to lower the rate of consent. Some to the mid teens and some far lower. The latter were angry at NAMBLA for their poor strategy - nothing else.

"Get a hunting dog and tweed jacket."

I think the "Issac Walton League" still exists.

I confess I killed a chickadee with a BB gun as a kid. I felt bad, but I ate it in one bite...tasted like Massachusetts...

Whats not to like, nothing! I like football, I like hockey. I like the cheerleaders, it's just not worth the money that goes to these lunkheads that play, not when so many other things are needed and are in many respects, a lot more important.

And I have complained about this before these short eyed fudge packers started making the news.

Not that I expect that you and asoka and wage and progesso and buck read anything except each other.

Good points but many fans are miserable physical specimens - even if they once played. Magnificient physiques take more work to maintain than ectomorphic ones. The English used to believe that team sports promoted good sportsmanship, character, toughness, etc. That "the War" was won on the playing fields of Eton. Fair enough, but most of that has been devalued now in favor of winning at any cost and savagery.

Spectator sports have become so big that even guys who never played become "big fans". And women have to take an interest to get with these various types of bozos. The Feminism enters and demands that women get equal funding despite having much less interest. Well, they have to be made to be interested. Enter Social Engineering. Are we now supposed to pretend that women are as good as men at these various undertakings? Or as graceful and fun to watch?

In conclusion, I think we should emulate cultures where team sports have not mutated and taken over everything. Take France or Canada: they have hockey and soccer. The men go crazy for a limited part of the year and then get sane again. Here in America, the madness never ends as each sport is succeeded by the next one of the Big Four. And then there is College to take up any slack. Many cultivate the private sports where one actually DOES IT ONESELF like skiing or hiking. Surely these are more dignified and healthy giving for an older person? And they don't need to be solitary either.

Pffff. You suck!

You may be right. However, will you sports nuts also pledge to simply watch your games and then wrap it up. I don't need to hear all week long about what should, could, and would happen/happened from a bunch of blathering idiots. This includes the so called experts who ramble on for hours before the game, during the game, and for some gluttons, after the game. I turned on the Giants/49ers game and could take less than one-minute of Joe Buck's verbal diarrhea. Do sports fans really care about the last team to come back from 13 points down, with less than two minutes to go, while fielding a squad with eight left-handed players of which five of them have remarried mothers? And one more thing. Would you tell those TV stations to turn down the crowd noise at these ballgames. It's enough to give a dog's ass heartburn.

Its all part of the rotten power structure of Capitalism. Football is obviously a war game/circus played for money and power that has the useful side effect of mesmerizing the sheep. That it dominates our schools and colleges only points to the low priority assigned to real intellectual curiosity.

The depravity on display at Penn State is the same control freakishness we observe in the Catholic Church and so many of our political leaders. It is the same force that compells Wall Street to shag us from behind while presenting the Corporate Happy Face. Something about power and money brings out the beast that must impose its will (and its closely connected willie) on the weaker peons in the market, starting with women and children.

The fact that it is both systemic and unacknowleged is a testament to how well it works. When a crack does appear we are "shocked" for about 5 minutes, then its right back to the game funneled into every bar and living room in the country. Just shut up and watch it, we don't want to leave any gaps where thoughts of social justice and climate change consequences might creep in.

But OWS is daring to say the empire has no clothes. Its existence is a sign of the imminent collapse of an overextended and perverse system, like a crack in the ice sheet precedes its full breakup. The only hope is that those newly awakened will not slip back into unquestioning silence and will in fact be joined by millions more who have had quite enough of being the victim/plaything of Capitalism's lust and control.

You know what I wish? I wish all you sports nuts would stop subsidizing pedophiles and other forms of corruption, lazy and otherwise.

I think the ads on Jim's website are targeted somehow to the reader. I live in Canada and I got one advertising online MBAs from a Canadian university. Just about as ironic as the one you got for football.

Outrageous to say that women want to be seen as sex objects. They're cheering the Team! Women want to be valued for who they are as a "person" -not what they look like. Next you'll be saying that women care more about a man having lots of money than being a nice person.

I'm not a nice person and I'm somewhat poor. Women hate me because I'm not nice not because I'm poor. If I was a rich asshole like Steve Jobs or Donald Trump, I'd have even fewer girlfrendz.

Hey, I had to do it. The title glitch enabled me to get in the top 10. Usually I am unable to crack the top 100. Not that I really care, I just know it irritates several folks around here.

One guy say, only two things come from Green Bay, Packers and ugly whores. Another guys says, hey my wife comes from Green Bay. First guy says, Oh what position does she play?

Can the laughter. Salt it well. We'll need it when the tube goes dark. Campfires will become the new TV's. Keep watching it and many shows will appear. The Fire unites us back thru the ages unto remotest time.

Hyphens are for doubled-barreled adjectives. "Style" used in "style handbook" is a single adjective, as we might say an "arithmetic handbook" or a "knitting handbook."

Uh oh. That was "double-barreled" not "doubled." My bad.

It is any wonder that with society ... etc

It is any wonder that two arenas ... etc
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These rhetorical questions should begin Is it not It is.

Uncle Karl Marx claimed that religion was the opiate of society that diverted attention...

It's 'sports' for the U.S.

Not that I expect that you and asoka and wage and progesso and buck read anything except each other.
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I read virtually every word. When you write something that gets my hackles up you will hear from me. (BTW, I have no idea what a "hackle" is.)

"I don't need to hear all week long about what should, could, and would happen/happened from a bunch of blathering idiots."

+1

This is rampant ..now schools have ACCREDITED
online classes.
One guy was caught who may have taken classes for over 100 middle eastern students in SoCal.

Cognitive dissonance is the key concept here and of course a fundamental part of humanoid wiring at any time. Now at this particular (and probably all) "Seldon crises" it is endemic and will continue to be so until the old house of cards falls and hopefully something better rises from the ashes.

Yes, actually, the Romans did get pretty over-the-top with the gladiatorial games by the end (and in the beginning too). They actually wiped out animals like tigers and lions from whole sections of the empire just to bring them to Rome so they could be killed in the games. They flooded the Colliseum and did a mock naval battle. The early Christians were fed to the lions. Now that's sports!

Amen to that, it was the most obscene, obsequious display of self serving drivel I've seen since the last time. Such a cheap price to feel good about ourselves.

O-k. Thanks for the info there, bud.

I like football too. I watch about 3 games a month, although now that the 49's are doing so well, I might watch more games.

But generally, I don't think football is such a big deal in NorCal as it is in places like the southeast. My daughter, a junior in high school, has never attended a football game, and because of the diversity of the school, I think the attitude towards the team is "ho-hum."

Santa Clara University dropped their football team ages ago. University of Cal. Santa Cruz, has never had a football team. (But a surf team...yes). The university's mascot is a banana slug.

A good book to find further wisdom on the whole student-athlete situation is Tom Wolfe's, "I am Charlotte Simmons."

SJmom

I guess you must watch a lot of TV?

I recall reading "Meat On The Hoof" by Gary Shaw and "Out Of Their League" by Dave Meggysesy way back in the early '70s. Both books were incredibly revealing but the game went on as they say. I don't believe hommosexual rape was ever an issue in the Big Eight, but the Oklahoma and Nebraska football programs were never to be outdone in the controversy department. This has been going on a long time.

Say what you want about the corruption of college sports (and everything you say is true), but did you see that run Joe Adams made in the Arkansas-Tennessee game? Unbelievable!

It did look like they missed about seven tackles. You should have seen the run I had getting from my car to my son's front door in West Philly Tuesday evening.

Ron Paul wins CBS poll after being allowed to talk for 89 seconds. CBS pulls poll...

http://silverdoctors.blogspot.com/2011/11/ron-paul-dominates-cbs-poll-after.html#more

Outrageous to say that women want to be seen as sex objects.
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Vlad, you forgot to use Asoka's creation ... the [Sarcasm ON] and [Sarcasm OFF] signs.

But seriously, if only I had realized in my younger years how much girls want to be seen and used as sexual objects (except when they DIDN'T) I would have gotten more ass than a toilet seat.

The Penn State rape scandal is of course a great excuse for people who hate sports to impugn the character of athletes, sports fans and athletics as a whole. That sort of broad-brush painting is usually intellectually dishonest, but athletes, coaches and fans frankly beg for it when they engage in or abet scandals like the one at Penn State.

My mom summed it up eloquently: "That's what happens when a football team hijacks a college." The rabidness and idiocy of Penn State fans, and the idiocy of their chant, "We are--PENN STATE!", make for a spectacle in the stands that is pathetic even by the debased standards of college sports. I can't stand those losers. Penn State's players, for their part, come across as a particularly thuggish and vulgar bunch. Football itself isn't the responsible variable, because Stanford's football players don't have such a debased comportment.

I, for one, am usually ready for some FOOTBALL, especially if it's a well-played offensive game (defensive pileups are stupid), but I've long preferred pro football because the professionals don't pretend not to be mercenaries. I don't like the intellectual dishonesty of college sports, in which meatheads with no interest in or talent for academics pretend to be students. That's another reason that I admire Stanford athletics: Stanford's players get some undue help from admissions officers and special tutors, but evidently a lot less than at most schools, and they certainly seem to be a lot more intelligent, academically inclined, scrupulous and simply decent than the average crop of college athletes. There is some truth to the assertion that they're "REAL STUDENTS playing REAL FOOTBALL." Actually, I stole that phrase from Juniata College, which as far as I know has never particularly distinguished itself on the gridiron, but at least Juniata doesn't hire pretend students to play real football, as Penn State does.

I second Jim's suggestion that the rest of Penn State's football season be canceled. Any athletic program that functions as Penn State football has is pervaded with rot, and the moral example set for fans by allowing something so rotten to continue to operate on schedule is inappropriate. It's time for Penn State to clean house.

Call them Manboons or Trousered Apes - they are scarcely men at all. Yard Apes and Porch Monkeys have other connotations.

Ah.... the irony! A Regions Bank ad posted on the Clusterfuck website! I'm not sure what to think of that..... a very large US "consumer friendly" commercial bank ..... the kind that JHK rightfully rails against ...or the fact that it is brought to us by the omnipresent Google..the inventor of the "driverless" car! funny.

Whatever happend to his disclosure statement to the effect that all of the above is bullshit? I thought THAT was a fine idea.

Since I commented last week on the topic of Rudderless, I am going off-topic a bit to talk about peak oil, natural gas, coal, and solar.

Which is the cheapest form of energy? Will it always be the cheapest? Not according to 1366.

1366’s mission is to make the cost of solar power competitive with coal power.

Our approach is simple. We take a proven, safe, abundant material –- silicon -– and develop practical manufacturing solutions that increase efficiency and dramatically cut cost. Our manufacturing solutions are compatible with existing supply chain processes, delivering a large impact without the complexity. 1366 has a team of veteran scientists, engineers and entrepreneurs, including MIT professor and photovoltaic industry expert Dr. Emanuel Sachs, with extensive experience in process and machine design. The initial technology for 1366 was developed by our team at MIT and is now being commercialized. The science is understood. The material is abundant. The products work. All that is left is to build the largest manufacturing industry in the history of mankind. This is what we intend to do.

Solar should be cheaper than natural gas and coal in about eight years time. We are in for some good, positive developments. 2012 will be a pivotal time in more ways than one in coming up with sustainable and scalable solutions.

You should have seen the run I had getting from my car to my son's front door in West Philly Tuesday evening.
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That's funny! I have a son living in West Philly too ... near the corner of 47th and Chester.

I enjoyed your jeremiad as usual. I think Pete Seeger's song "garbage" says it pretty well.
Phut

James,

I couldn't agree more with the points made in your indictment of the college football racket, its moral bankruptcy and cynical and manipulative use of religious practices, as well as of our corrupt universities, and utterly inane and nihilistic "contemporary art scene."

The cultural and moral depravity that surrounds must be exposed and denounced relentlessly.

Having worked at Herhseypark, I've propelled my vehicle up every Hershey Highway in Dauphin County, some of them more times than I can count. I have also experienced the quaint joys of Intercourse on occasion, and I have blasted through Paradise on Amtrak dozens of times, but I have been remiss in never having made the trip to Paradise slowly, deliberately and bumpily, preferably with a cute Amish chick, on Old Leacock Road.

I stayed after Mass yesterday and was talking with my priest when the subject of Penn State came up. He didn't understand it, he said "Why didn't they just send the guy to a different school?"

Interesting that we mock and condemn the spiritual traditions of Native peoples while we destroy them so our "superior" system can dominate, only to have it revealed that ours is all about debasement, ruin, abuse and finally collapse.

We sure showed them.

Whatever happend to his disclosure statement to the effect that all of the above is bullshit? I thought THAT was a fine idea.
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Yeah, you're right, it was excellent ... particularly so since even the disclosure itself was noted to be bullshit. So perfectly apt for use by Asoka.

I had assumed that the only way to get your hackles up was to mispell something. I wasn't always aware that people are paying attention to this.

True enough, but the malaise is not unique to America or the age that we live in. Kant summed it up hundreds of years ago in one pithy quote:

"Out of the crooked timber of humanity no straight thing was ever made."

thats too f'ing funny...totally BS and never happened but a funny way to compare the situation to the catholics...LOL

My son lives at 49th and Warrington. I will have to check the map.

malaise is sold all over the world and people use it on the sandwiches just like us so it isnt pecular for our age...?

Malaise: a vague sense of mental or moral ill-being.

Um, I think that's what Jim was on about in his spiel... ;-)

Do sports fans really care about the last team to come back from 13 points down, with less than two minutes to go, while fielding a squad with eight left-handed players of which five of them have remarried mothers?
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VERY funny ... and soooo true.

It makes me recall a spoof of airline commercials ... A guy intones with a deep resonant voice: "We are the sixth largest carrier in the northwestern free world."

http://fora.tv/2011/10/26/Reinventing_the_Leaf_Future_Sources_of_Fuel

On a tangent here, but this lecture by Nathan S. Lewis seems to sum up the energy problem.

Check out Tom Murphy's "Growth has an Expiration Date" on the same site. Extending our historical growth rate results in the heat death of the planet in the foreseeable future.

I had assumed that the only way to get your hackles up was to mispell something.
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Of ALLLLL the things that annoy me, and they are myriad, probably the MOST annoying is NOT a misspelling but the use of the word jive where jibe belongs.

Methusela, the angry Jew, did it again the other day and it took all the restraint I could muster to let it slide.

P.S. You have misspelled misspell.

Nice weeks work, JHK - thanks!

I'm always amazed how you can turn most any non-positive current event into an indictment of some version of the American Free Market Capitalist System of Some Damn Thing or Another.

But when you're right, you're right, JHK. And the debauched goings on at Penn State give us a creepy look behind the scenes of *some* college athletic programs. Recruiting problems, student athletes who have no business in college and no hope of graduating, occasional criminal misdeeds and the occasional heterosexual rape - just form the seasonal background rumble of college football - at some schools.

So - it's interesting that the story broke into national consciousness, probably and mostly because it involved coercive sex with underage boys. We are a strange people, sometimes, both in the things we ignore - and in the things that get our attention.

And speaking of strange, consider this:

"the night the story broke. These weren't about shame and repentance, just violent displays of sanctimonious "moral" support for an entire system in disgrace."
-JHK-

Violent, JHK? Ya' THINK!
This well-fed and (I'm guessing) generally upper middle class mob of 10,000 college students rioted with such anger that they TURNED OVER A NEWS VAN!

And this was over support for a football coach.
Imagine what this mob could have done if they had proper motivation, say:
1. No water
2. No food
3. No electricity - for a week or two.

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Anger is seething just under the surface in today's well-fed America, and it's making its way upward through the social classes - as the "Support Paterno Riot" shows.

And yet we continue to allow 1,000,000 - generally impoverished - LEGAL immigrants into these United States of America, every year - without ceasing.

And even on a Peak Oil/Peak Everything Blog, posters will argue that this population growth is a GOOD idea that will end well for us.
We are, indeed, a strange people.


'I am Charlotte Simmons' has to be Tom Wolfe's worst novel...

Mike Hunt

I love your punishment idea:)

This week's column and the responses are both quite head shakers. A genuine sociological experiment for this reader. While Jim's part was quite serious, even despairing, and the comments began that way, it's somehow morphed into something else. When I come back tomorrow I suspect it will be a bunch of guys arguing about which team is the best one to win the Big Game. Discomfort will give way entirely to masculine grunting and scratching.

Here in Canada we have witnessed the spectacle of a Toronto based Lingerie Football team, captained by the Mayor's teenage niece, whose large blonde attributes have been all over the paper in impeccable colour. It all fell apart quickly as management fought with the team members, leading most of them to quit.

Seems the silly girls thought they were hired to play football, whereas management wanted merely to showcase their physical assets in flimsy filmy lingerie with no chance of any protective gear screwing up the view. Apparently there's an entire league out there somewhere and I have no doubt it originated in the USA. I'm also sure some of the team members are former pole dancers and just might have known this wasn't really a genuine sport. Ya think?

Meanwhile I see the authorities are starting to take down the Occupy sites in some places, but not others. Kind of a barometer of which areas have a clue about democracy, the right of assembly and right of free speech. Eventually though, even the tolerant cities will want them gone, and for the movement, it will be time to have their next steps ready. It's harder to keep a movement going than it is to start it, they're going to arrive at the really difficult part soon.

Q, you're such a jive turkey.

Dear Qshtik,

You may think you are witty and cute when you point out people's perceived weaknesses. But in reality you are just blowing your own horn (narcissistic) when you constantly try to correct mistakes, regardless if due to rushing and not proofreading, or just plain ignorance. However, whenever you pay attention to a salient point such as you try to make, you are missing the greater point. The main idea hopefully is that the author of the comment is able to get his point across with minimum effort. If this were a court of law, or legal matter that needed complete and accurate spelling and grammar checks we certainly wouldn't need you. There is such a thing on the computers nowadays that can do that for you. Look it up you will really be surprised, you have been replaced.

Jim, on a happier note, lead WSJ article today states that hundreds of thousands of acres of land in the US slated for commercial and residential development is being converted back into farmland, reversing a trend 150 years old. This is something you predicted 7 years ago in TLE! I thought it unlikely at the time, but there it is.

Saw Corey Robin interviewed on CSPAN yesterday about his new book on reactionary conservatism. The interviewer was a pretty good looking reporter from the Daily News. I can tell you right now they weren't going out for drinks afterward. Robin, a Brooklyn College professor, reminded me somewhat of Obamas spokesman, Jay Carney, who I can't tell is male or female. Or maybe something in between. Does anybody know?

--WSP7

Your Best Column in the 3 years I have been reading.

This example of America at it's Worst justifies the Death Penalty for me.

funny, I bet they thought about it.

"death penalty" for the perp, the football program or both.

Regarding college sports: See Paul Fussell's 1991 book "BAD Or, The Dumbing of America," specifically the chapter "BAD Colleges and Universities."

P.S. I can kick your a** in any sport you name.
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OK, pocket billiards (aka pool).

...justifies the Death Penalty for me.
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Let me get this straight 3rd, you feel you deserve the Death Penalty?

"it's an odious money-grubbing racket," What isn't a money-grubbing racket in this rotten to the core exceptional number one pathetic country in the world?

That was my first (and only) thought after hearing about the rioting. We have numerous wars, corrupt government, and taxpayer bailed out corporations, yet the only thing that can get young people angry is the firing of a football coach? Sad indeed, but not surprising. China, India, and other up and coming peoples must look at this in absolute shock and awe.

We begin to realize that we are fish in an ocean of fraudulence. Nothing is as it is portrayed. This weeks issue is the fraud that has been Penn State football and college football in general. But everywhere we look we see fraud, stage settings that thinly disguise whatever rot makes up the underlying substance. Our real national capitol is glitzy Las Vegas.

As much as I despise all that vacuous Mr. Goodhair Perry does and stands for, I find his gaff the one real thing he’s done. Lying in wait to catch a view of someone at a bad moment or bad angle and representing that as the totality is just again the triumph of illusion over reality. Of course, in Perry’s case, it probably does indicate the human vacuum that lurks just beneath the surface.

The dedicated individualist image is erected and propped up to justify the privatization of everything. But when we look at these “individuals” sucking up our commonwealth, we find huge and powerful bureaucratic institutions, dictatorship nations lacking only traditional borders. They exist as parasites. The only attraction is a vaporous Ayn Rand fantasy, a glitzy fraudulent paint job that covers the real task at hand.

Most people don't care about academics. They don't care about learning or education or knowledge.

I can't tell you how many people I know who graduated from college with a degree and then never read another book again in their life. But they go to the football games and they wear the team colors. That's the stuff they care about.

I went to UC Berkeley back in the '70s. Back when you could work a decent summer job and pay for your tuition and room and board for the whole year if you lived cheaply. Nobody took out student loans. Between family and scholarships and work it was easy to pay for an education.

Dozens of times over the years I've mentioned to people that intercollegiate athletics should simply be removed from institutions of higher education. If communities want semi-pro sports teams they can start leagues with other like-minded communities.

Nobody ever agreed with me. Not once. Never.

People, for the most part, just don't care about stuff like this. They just want a four or five year transition period between high school and adult life where they can hang out and have fun. At the end of it they want a job. Academics? What's that?

I agree with the sentiments. But I'm going to guess we'll be able to go much lower, yet.

What comes to mind is James Ellroy's bits "The real trinity of Camelot was Look Good, Kick Ass, Get Laid. . . . America was never innocent. Here’s the lineage: America was founded on a bedrock of racism, slaughter of the indigenous people, slavery, religious lunacy …and nations are never innocent. Let alone nations as powerful as our beloved fatherland."

Weimar Germany was able to go pretty low, no?

I've been listening to The Eagles "The Last Resort" from the Album "Hotel California" lately & repeatedly.

It seems to fit US now more than when it was released, in 1976. And it makes me sad too. Still, you should give it a fresh listen, again.

The Kunstler Dot Connecting Service. First time reading all the comments before posting. Insightful stuff.

The Republicans have similar cover-up tendencies involving Candidate Cain, and how ever many more.

I've thought the same thing about the Hotel California album for at least five years, I consider that album the exact point where the U.S started sliding down hill. I feel that a lot of it had to do with the idealism of the hippie movement morphing into eighties greed and yuppie-ism.

I believe that The Eagles could see that what was good about the sixties and early seventies was slipping away, probably irreversibly. It was remarkably prophetic in retrospect.

The actual quarterback had paid her student to take the class for him,
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I am reminded:

(1) One of the early episodes of the Sopranos opened with a classroom scene. A Stock Broker exam is being given. We see the students in their chairs from behind. The proctor is doing roll call. He reads out "Christopher Multisanti?" A young man turns so we are able to see his face and says "Here." He is obviously Asian.

(2) In the incredibly brilliant David Foster Wallace's first novel, The Broom of the System (which served as a dissertation for some English Lit class when DFW was 24 or 25) there's a scene where a fictitious character, a student, for whom Wallace himself is the model, spends his days in the dorm doing drugs and never going to class. Other students come to him and put in their orders for needed essays on all manner of subjects. He accepts payment generally in drugs. He asks the course title, the subject of the required essay and who the professor is. He asks them for some samples of their own work. He crafts an essay that plausibly they could have written and makes sure it is imperfect enough to not raise undue suspicion but land, say, a B+.

Yeah it all looks worse and worse the closer you look. How about 60 Minutes last night? Politicians get to play the stock market using the inside information that they have - or leak that info to their supporters. The latter probably couldn't be helped, but their actual play is a protected legal right. But the same thing is wrong for everyone else.

Look how fast the 60's idealism of the OWS Movement morphed into sleaze, suicide, rape, and murder. The Cops better clean it all up before it starts a plague.

You object: Trump, Jobs, Gates all have hot wives even though they're assholes. I answer: just coincidence! Just like it's only coincidence that the most violent cities and neighborhoods in America are Black. Women want nice guys even if poor! Black are peaceful even when they seem not to be. Who are you going to believe: the FBI crime statistics or your own lying mind? Whites who have been savaged - or the Black Warriors of Peace themselves? The latter of course.

The Worm and the Spice - is their a connection? NO.

How about the people who face paint? How dignified is that? It's all tribal ritual - completely fake, canned, and controlled from above. We are little more than livestock, cattle or goyim to the Masters.

Whites need their own Tribes again. And when Women need to stay home and meet their friends at the village well. That's why they're always on the phone with their friends - because it's not natural for them to be alone.

The WASPS are taught the same lessons in Skull and Bones: ordinary people are gentiles or "vandals". They are the Chosen.

Gee....I thought it was just me...but you're really a popular guy around here aren't you?

So I been working on my rudder, and it is definitely in a direction opposite of that funny locker room business. More gritty and seems to be headed towards the territory of Wayne Carp, if only to sell him some technology he and the boys can use. Probably won't stay for the nightly entertainment though.
Here's a plastic to oil refinery that I been working the bugs out of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6NbljcpDew

If you look around the youtube channel you'll see some items we're planning to install at the local occupy 'village'.

May your clusters become un-fucked,

N

The future is now.

The University of Oregon is a good example - anything goes as long as they win football games and bring in trainloads of money, even though the football team is a who's who of rogues and pirates.

Further indicators of the level of sexual depravity, alone, in the US, which struck me as really egregious, concerned the multiple rapes and even murders (when they sought legal redress) by their own comrades-in-arms, of women soldiers in Iraq. One young woman died of dehydration for fear of being raped on her way to the latrines at night.

I also remember reading that a warder in a women's prison had set up a camera to film the women peeing, etc. in the lavatories. I mean... is that sick or what?

As for the money and domination thing, there was a very long list posted on DU of Republican politicians at all levels, either awaiting trial or sentencing or recently convicted of sexual crimes.

Another: the other day, there was a map of the US posted on DU or Common Dreams, roughly indicating the geographical preponderance of the 300,000 personal computers currently under investigation, with the vilest pedophilia images and films, some with the owners as participants. Unsurprisingly, perhaps, they preponderated in the more populous eastern states.

It's big in the UK and Europe too, but our security services are able to avail themselves of the much more intensive, purposeful methodologies supplied by the US, to its credit.

In the UK, we read in the newspapers of what you call 'grade school' children, 8 and 9 years old, raping, sodomising (you name it) each other. Crimes are committed that people could never have imagined in their most fearfully riotous dreams in the fifties and sixties.

And then there's the business of women brought up to believe that it is their right to have a child, ripping open the womb of another woman, who is pregnant.

Then non-sexual, there's the election charades, the tasering madness of the police, the Gulf of Tonkin type of false-flag incident, and another, more recent and yet more egregious one on hime soil. There's the assassinations of Democratic presidents and presidential candidates. So many things.

And now Wall Steet wrecking the global economy and its leaders awarding themselves massive bonuses, and indeed, rehired to sort out the mess they themselves had massively colluded in. A madhouse.

Maybe it's the same folks who cut the last half hour of the recent republican TV "debate" in favor of NCIS (shows you how serious CBS takes these debates, anyway).

McCain was Hanoi's secret weapon.

"Crimes are committed that people could never have imagined in their most fearfully riotous dreams in the fifties and sixties."

Bad things still happened back then. Remember the Manson family? The riots when MLK died? Go watch the (excellent) documentary on Netflix about the Weather Underground. NYC was considered a crime-ridden cess pool back in the late 70's. See Serpico, which is based on a true story.

In fact, the late 60's through the 70's were arguably a more tumultuous period than now, but sans the 24-hour news cycle, maybe people just weren't as aware of what was going on.

We have been imitating the decay of the Roman Empire for some time now; only everything moves faster now. That said, even we haven't yet reached the level of depravity of ancient Rome, but we are working on it.

"The future is now."

Deep.

Something is happening but you don't know what it is, do you Mr. Krandz?

Bread and Circuses.

It seems downright sad that someone would spend their post-retirement days correcting other people's spelling and grammatical mistakes on the comments section of an internet blog, but such is the state of modern America.

A madhouse.
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Don't forget the "anti-depressants" and other drugs that allows the fascist scumfucks to operate this Roman Babylon. The mass corruption, depravity, and idol worshiping might not be possible without this poison administered to the numbskull automatons.

Where's that quote come from?

I suppose you would call bangin' little boys in the shower a pressure valve for "releasing our tribal tendencies"?

Conflicts of Interest

Everyday more shoes drop when we speak of the breakdown of the rule of law, corporate and banking cronyism and the congressional corruption.

Last night on 60 minutes we heard about the congress from both sides of the aisle exempting themselves from insider trading laws, so they can make a killing on the stock market when they know the insider information on how products will be affected by lawmaking.

They're on the take, not just in the case of fundraising for their campaigns, but for personal gain as well. It became clear that they were all doing so well on the market some wanted to know why. Now you know too.

Today we learned:

1) District judge Leslie Dutchcot allowed Sandusky the subject of today's blog to a get out of jail free until the trial. It had been recommended that he should have had to meet a $500k bail and electronic tracking.

Turns out she s a contributer to his children's fund Second Mile and a volunteer.

No obligation to recuse herself, here.

2) The Supreme court just got the case of the constitutionality of Obama's healthcare bill and the mandate to buy insurance coverage from private companies today.

Conflicts of Interests: Supreme Court judges Thomas and Scalia actively spoke to attendees at the Federalist society fundraiser. Seated right near them was Paul Clement who will argue against the bill. He also got his start clerking for Scalia.

Ginny Thomas is a major lobbyist for the Tea Party and virulently against Obama and his healthcare bill.

Gee, I wonder how these guys will rule.

We know Monsanto is on government boards concerning agriculture and that some in the congress who have introduced bills on their behalf are married to Monsanto employees.

Just more stories to make our stomachs turn.

A lot of American sports fans are fat slobs who lounge about on the couch eating potato chips and beer all day, watching football and baseball, because they have nothing else better going on in their sad lives than to watch other people play a stupid, children's ball game.

Or am I over-generalizing here about the sports lovers?

Scalia and Thomas are both shameless, conservative pricks. What else is new? Thomas hasn't even asked any questions during all of the Supreme Court proceedings since he started. He's one dumb muppet.

I'd like to hear JHK elaborate on the idea of the "Fake Warrior Culture". I think it bleeds over into many areas of life in 2011, not just sports...

turkle, I think you do over-generalize, but only slightly. I believe that a day at the ball park is a beautiful thing, but yeah- many fans prefer to isolate themselves...

At this point, does it really make your stomach churn? I'm not much surprised anymore. The modern conservative is really nothing of the sort, more like a wolf in sheep's clothing. The neo-conservative is a Machiavellian beast, willing to put on a show of being Christian, Libertarian, or any number of political garbs to woon the dumb masses with their "moral issues." It is all a big charade. How many of these Republicans do you actually think are Christian? And for how many is it just a show to get votes from a block of voters who will follow the lead of anyone who proclaims themselves to be a follower of Jesus?

Well, Perry and Bachmann might really be Christian. They certainly are dumb enough to be true Christians.

And how can Republicans, with a straight face, claim to be for small, limited government when their party is the one that lead the United States into a decade of uninterrupted, expensive, optional foreign wars? What is more against the philosophical tenants of "true" conservatism than this?

Of course, the Democrats went right along with it all, too, so (in some areas at least) they're really no better.

Republicans just tend to take the side of the military-industrial-security complex, while Democrats are more for the welfare state. Guns and butter, ya know?

I prefer "miracle whip"; a recipe from the Catholic Church.

Hey, Binko: I agree with you.

You'll take my cheese-doodles from my cold, dead hands.

It seems downright sad that someone would spend their post-retirement days correcting other people's spelling and grammatical mistakes
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I think you meant my post-working days. I will be pushing up daises during my post-retirement days. But who cares about little inaccuracies? We knew what you meant.

Why not just make it real simple: "...that someone would spend their retirement days correcting..."

And what kind of a mistake should this be called?

A spelling mistake? No?

A grammatical mistake? No?

I got it, it's a stoopit mistake!

You even make corrections to posts that are meant to insult you. Wow. Thanks for the service.

No, Stoopit, Turkle had it right. You had your chance at retirement, but now trying to correct others is full-time job for you.

Like the Roach Motel, you can check out but never leave.

Well, if you think of retirement as a singular event, like Q retired from his accounting job last week, then post-retirement makes sense. It just means all the things that happen in your life after this event. But I could see how it set off your pedantic radar.

Does it make you feel better than other people to make inane corrections to their internet posts? If that's all it takes, then more power to ya, old guy.

I'm surprised Perry didn't make JHK's cut this week...

I wud do away wit Education, Commerce, and, durp, what's the third one?

I thought the whole point of that song was that everyone does leave eventually. Course, I have never analyzed it too deeply.

I can top that - did you see Cain when they asked him today about Obama's actions in Libya? He acted like he had never heard of Libya. He actually made Perry look smart! Kind of reminded me of the clueless George Bush the 2nd. DUH!

. to woon the dumb masses

. against the philosophical tenants of "true" conservatism

. Of course, the Democrats went right along with it all, too,
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. I looked it up and "woon" is actually a word. It means "dwelling."

. It's tenets. I think we covered this maybe 3-4 days ago and a dozen times before that. How long does it take to sink in?

. What purpose does it serve to type paragraphs disparaging the Republicans for being fake Christians only to admit in your next breath that the Democrats are too?

West Coast, I've never heard anybody who felt it was okay for gay people to marry each other ever say a 10-year-old was old enough to get married, to anybody of either sex. Is your comment some kind of homophobic drivel or what?

Thanks, Unsufferable. I too find Qshtik's continous ragging on people about their spelling and grammar extremely annoying and picky. I have decided to just skip over his comments from now on, maybe you should do the same. There are plenty of better ones to read, and I don't give a rat's ass whether people spell everything correctly if their comment is interesting and relevant.

But I could see how it set off your pedantic radar.

Good, then we're getting somewhere. When you consider how what you write sounds in the ear of your audience it's a good thing.

Does it make you feel better than other people to make inane corrections to their internet posts?

When I see the endless unnecessary errors people make in expressing themselves it confirms my belief that I take far more care than the average person to avoid misunderstanding of what I write. Frankly, I'm amazed how little people give a shit about what they write. I mean, why bother writing at all if you don't give a shit? In live conversation I will sometimes correct my daughter and she will reply in rapid youth-speak: "Dad, nobodygivesashit!" and I say, "Precisely, and THAT is the problem."

Book :'100 Yard Lie'.

Yes, Most skip the NAMBLA meetings, even when they are at the library next to the children's section.

I too find Qshtik's continous ragging on people about their spelling and grammar extremely annoying and picky.
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Groan ... it's freakin amazing! contin-o-us; close enough for the internet.

I think I'll write to Bill Gates and tell him he may as well save a buck and leave the spell-check app out of his operating systems 'cause nobody uses it and nobody gives a shit.

By all means High, skip over me.

I wud do away wit Education, Commerce, and, durp, what's the third one?
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I don't know what the third one was either but I say RIGHT ON! to the first two.

AMEN! Nearly choked on my din din when I read a retired "teacher" use such grammar. Lord knows why we have such a problem remediating college freshmen when they have THIS kind of "teacher" in front of them. Christ almighty, I don't think I'd have made it out of grammar school with writing lik dat. ;0

And I'm so glad that everyone is continuing to kiss your ass, Q, for I sense it's why you keep cropping up on this forum. ;)

And so forth. Child sexual abuse...I was molested by my doctor when I was 15 1/2. I said nothing. He (we) kept the patient room nearly packed while he "examined" my upper and lower body, and encouraged me to do the same on his lower anatomy for what must have been an hour. Needless to say, afterward, I insisted that my mother switch doctors after this episode, which left me extremely confused and nervous. I didn't dare mention a word of it to her at the time, although in retrospect, I think she might have suspected. I had an older sister who quit seeing the same doctor about 5 years earlier, again without explanation.

It's not right to force your sexual intentions on a child. It's most definitely child abuse. I'll leave that for what it's worth.

That being said, my sexual relations with men have been about 90% positive. When I was 17, I had a rich, older uncle who plied me with Manhattans after school in his mansion. We had some rich, esoteric conversations in his main parlor, the memory of which I wouldn't part with for the world. And it did end with conversation...absolutely nothing more. Perhaps a slight hangover the next day, but...

I always thought The Eagles were sellouts myself.When some of them weren't hanging out in LA they made Aspen their hangout. Certainly they're not the stuff that Neil Young is made of.

Don Henley carried that band and the best thing that ever happened to him was going solo. Henley's The End Of The Innoncence is a fine song:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1yqo5_don-henley-the-end-of-the-innocence_music

I happen to agree with Q's correcting of other people's grammar. What one writes is the reflection of one's thoughts. Using wrong words and incorrect spelling shows me sloppy thinking, so I don't trust what the writer says is accurate; and someone too self-centered to take their time posting because they're so in a rush to blurt out what they're thinking that they could care less about actual communication.

The state of affairs in our country is terible and part of the reason is lack of clear thinking, which is reflected in many people's writing. No one's perfect - I've been "Q-ed" a few times myself, but it doesn't bother me. Q actually performs a valuable service.

Thanks Myrtle and Bean ... finally someone "gets it."


JHK said:

The Penn State football sex scandal, and the depraved response of the university community at all levels, tells whatever you need to know about the spiritual condition of this floundering, rudderless, republic and its ignoble culture.

and also ...

First is the pretense that college football is a character-building endeavor. Rather it's an odious money-grubbing racket that chews up and spits out quasi-professional players who, with rare exceptions, only pretend to be students. It corrupts everyone connected with it. College football is little more than a giant conduit for vacuuming money out of alumni, hawking brand merchandise, and generating TV revenues. At Penn State, the racket sucked in about $70 million a year net profit. All over America, the old land-grant diploma mills pay their coaches million-dollar salaries, while academic adjunct professors can't even get health insurance. At SUNY-Albany, the flagship campus of New York's system, they got rid of the department of foreign languages, but the football team plays on. Meanwhile ordinary students rack up tens of thousands of dollars in unpayable college debt via a related racket in which free-flowing government-backed Sallie Mae loan money prompts colleges to boost tuition rates way beyond inflation rates.

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People can bitch all they want about JHK's "negativity" but the guy's heart AND mind are in the right place. Personally, I'm sick and tired of these moronic jocks being made to seem larger than life. Including "Joe Pa". Football coaches, in terms of their utility to society, are LESS than garbagemen, gardeners, or even the barrista at your local cafe.

What amazed me is the OVERWHELMING evidence that Joe Paterno knew PRECISELY what Mike McQueary was telling him about Sandusky and he chose to SHINE IT ON as if McQueary was informing him that Sandusky stole someone's peanut butter and jelly sandwich out of a locker. Rush to judgment? Are you freaking kidding me? I'm FROM Pennsylvania and grew up there until age 18 and I think the only men who demonstrated that they had a pair in this surreal drama were the Board of Trustees led by Dr. Suma.

I mean ... how DELICATELY could McQueary have put it to Paterno so that Paterno could have misconstrued what McQueary was telliing him? "Uh, coach ... Mr. Sandusky is anatomically examining a 10-year-boy in the shower, sir. Wanna check it out"? Joe Pa: "Eh. I gotta get ready to watch films for the Michigan game. We'll talk about it tomorrow. Say, McQueary, what PART of the kid was he examining and do you think it was a MEDICAL exam"?? De facto, this is the sort of revolting shit that we're expected to buy yet the buckethead student body felt that Paterno was Snow White!!!!

The SUNY Albany story isn't an isolated incident. IF you're a French teacher at Stanford you're marginalized almost to the point of extinction. Stanford has become the nation's most overpriced vo-tech school, emphasizing their Business and Engineering schools while their Music Department is worse than many high schools.

Great weakly missive, JHK. Keep 'em coming


E.

Q actually performs a valuable service.
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What Buck said, same for me. Q has yet to post an original thought. Same for AMR. Both offer zero contribution in the way of critical analysis. This tells me both are anal dopes with completely neutered brains. Either that, or they're too emotionally invested in the current system to venture any substantive critique of it. Whatever the case, both are completely worthless in terms of their intellectual output.

Cheer up Yankee Doodle dandy. Victor David Hansen, one of the leading conservative intellectuals, asserts that America's is far from doomed:

"Contrary to all conventional wisdom, America’s natural-gas and petroleum reserves just keep growing. Suddenly, we have enough known natural gas to supply 100 percent of our domestic needs for the next 90 years — a huge window of opportunity in which to transition to competitive renewable energy."

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/283074/what-america-does-best-victor-davis-hanson?pg=1

TO ANYONE WHO GIVES A SHIT:

Back in the day ... waaay back, there was a space on a kid's report card for the teacher to make brief comments about the young student for the parents to read. I think it was in one marking period during 2nd grade that my teacher wrote simply "[Qshtik] is a perfectionist."

It wasn't till many years later that I understood what that meant and how observant that teacher was. No one is perfect but some strive to be. Perfectionism is like a condition or a state of being ... hard-wired-in like your sexual orientation. It can't be taught, created or hammered into or out of anybody. It's either there or it isn't. You're born with it.

We are not to question the value of the games nor the modern gladiators that entertain and distract us from the crumbling empire all around. If the gladiators and their counselors are found corrupt, we will bow our collective heads for the mandatory display of penitence, but by all means the games must go on and on and on forever...until the very bricks, walls, and mortar should turn to dust, and some curious mind ages and ages hence shall reconstruct what sort of civilization this was and accurately portray the shallow wickedness and moral decay wrapped and coiled so completely around its heart.

Another example to illustrate my point just above. The only perfection you're capable of, Q, is in typing totally worthless drivel.

The only perfection you're capable of, Q, is in typing totally worthless drivel.
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Keep working at it Obtuselah, you're showing signs of improvement. A few weeks ago you thought that word was dribble.

Stick with it and perhaps in due time you won't be a disgrace to the Jewish people.


An intesting addendum to the PSU scandal is that the coach at the University of Nebraska felt that the MOST appropriate action would have been to CANCEL the game. The Nebraska coach was willing to do this without insisting on a PSU forfeit!! In other words, out of thousands of PSU students and dozens of administrators and coaches, the only SANE words came from PSU's gridiron opponent last Saturday. Now THAT is irony writ LARGE.


E.

Again, the same usual inanities. Only this time laced with lies to cover your conceit.

Great commentary this week. Nothing more to say.

"A lot of American sports fans are fat slobs who lounge about on the couch eating potato chips and beer..."

A lot of Americans are fat slobs who lounge about on the couch eating potato chips and beer...

There, I fixed it for you.

A very easy solution to US and Europe´s problems: PEGGING the Dollar and the Euro to the Yuan (or Remimbi, I do not know how to write)

Metuselah,

If I had to guess, I'd say your blood pressure and your level of stress was considerably higher than Qshtik's.

What he/she does is wholesome entertainment for some of us. When someone like you comes along and frenzies like a dog choking on its own collar, the entertainment value escalates. Chill dude (or dudette)!

"...deep resonant..."

Redundant? Pleonasm?

"...that they could care less about actual communication."


You probably meant to say "that they couldn't care less about..."

Great stuff again Jim, I know that I just can't be a slugabed, at least not on Monday's.

I won't go into the gutter, but I'm going to walk close to the curb, I just can't resist. Here goes:

I don't think Jerry Sandusky was a quarterback at anytime, but he probably made hundreds of forward passes, liked split-ends, and he was certainly good at penetration and getting into the endzone!

On a more serious note, five adopted sons. Yikes!

Yeah, I tried the same approach with Q. Know what? NOBODY CARES! I guess even the language needs a reality check about every three posts. You'll get used to it. You may even start to like it.

Misspelled "misspell". Fuckin' brilliant. Sigh. And I was having such a good read.

"P.S. I can kick your a** in any sport you name."

Do you think they're any good at jai alai? I see a potential hustle.

How about the All American Girls Professional Baseball League? Sliding into second with their skirts on. Tough? Sexy? I'm so confused. Most people think it ended when the boys came home from WWII. Not true. Like MLB, television changed everything.

Jim, One of your best essays in a long time, or perhaps the best ever. When I was in school I was too busy sleeping off hangovers to bother with something as silly as college football games, of which I attended perhaps one the entire time I was there [Miami of Ohio]even though they were undefeated in the MAC one year, and were ranked as high as #11 nationally at one point, perhaps in the midseason, who the fuck even cares at this point? I lived in the dorm which housed the football team as a "returning freshman", Swing Hall, and noticed immediately that the rules simply didn't apply to the football playing Neanderthals. For one thing, they all had full sized regrigerators in their rooms, which of course was supposedly forbidden.

Having grown up attending Brown's games in the old stadium I was always an NFL snob who totally ignored college football. So, being a Miami alumnus I of course have something in common with a certain rapist in the NFL who also went there and currently is perhaps the most famous rapist in the country, even if he prefers college girls to little boys.

I like your description of these large state universities as "diploma mills". It should be painfully obvious to anyone with any perception that the only reason 99% of these assholes are in college is to get a job credential so they can perpetuate their parent's inane lifestyles. If all they wanted to do was learn then they could accomplish that end while hanging out at the library for free. Ever notice the giant racks of Cliff's Notes in every college bookstore? They're there for the simple reason that most people are too fucking lazy to read their assignments preferring of course to cram in the highlights instead for the big exam. Fuck all of them. These ridiculous places which cost way too much can't fade away soon enough for me. Let these spoiled assholes serve in the army for a couple of years instead. Maybe if the draft was brought back these crybabies might stand a chance of growing up not to mention the booster shot that would give to the anti-war movement against our perpetual conflict with the brown people who live perched atop our petroleum supplies in the asshole of the world in the Persian Gulf and thereabouts.

And finally, thanks for holding up the asinine prayer session to the ridicule it so richly deserves. Are we expected to think that these performing sideshow monkeys actually pray much less meditate or for that matter could even give any sort of plausible explanation of their religious beliefs? Of course not, because they're simply too fucking shallow. Of course the devoutly religious are a bunch of vapid fuckheads as well, but that's another story for a different rant, maybe some other time...

In relation /tangential to clearing the parks, I recall November 15, 1969:

In relation /tangential to clearing the parks, I recall November 15, 1969: The first nationwide Moratorium was followed a month later, on November 15, 1969, by a second massive Moratorium march on Washington, D.C., which attracted over 500,000 demonstrators against the war, including many performers and activists on stage at a rally across from the White House. Most demonstrators were peaceful; however, late in the day conflict broke out at DuPont Circle, and the police sprayed the crowd with tear gas. Over 40,000 people gathered to parade silently down Pennsylvania Avenue to the White House, where protestors walked single file all evening, each calling out the name of a dead soldier as he or she reached the sidewalk directly in front of the White House. The people of Washington, D.C., generously opened schools, seminaries, and other places of shelter to the thousands of students and others who converged for this purpose. A daytime march before the White House was lined by uniformed police officers, some flashing peace symbols on the inside of their jackets in a show of support for the crowd.

President Richard Nixon said about the march, "Now, I understand that there has been, and continues to be, opposition to the war in Vietnam on the campuses and also in the nation. As far as this kind of activity is concerned, we expect it, however under no circumstances will I be affected whatever by it."[3] --wiki

Straussians & their students, the Neocons haev never forgotten what they considered a betrayal of public trust.

See Alan Bloom's "Closing of the American Mind"

Reboot,
Speaking of demonstrations, I've received no less than 6 emails this morning that riot police have been breaking up the OWSers encampment at Zucotti Park nr. Wall st. last night.

I just signed a petition to Bloomberg and will be catching up on the latest news about what's happening. There will be sympathy marches at different places today in NYC.

Turkle,
As per your response to my post about conflict of interest. This was not an all out attack on right wing Supreme court justices.

What I'm bringing up is the way this system is dysfunctional and has broken down to the point where in all instances I mentioned there is no longer anything getting in the way of conflicts of interest.

Judges with a ties to the cases they are presiding over are not recusing themselves anymore. Nor is there any demand to do so.

They are giving preferential treatment to those who they already have a relationship with.

Perhaps we already know how justices Scalia and Thomas will vote, given their activist politics and previous track record. But to preside over a case, the healthcare bill which will be argued against by their former clerk, Clemens is pretty obscene.

Thomas' wife is an activist with a very clear agenda of her own. Imagine Clarence Thomas voting in favor of the healthcare bill that his wife is actively trying to overturn.

These are the systematic problems. It's not just opinions, but ties and relationships that are mucking up the balance of power in this country.

It's as if the only voices that get heard are a small group of good buddies that are getting all the consideration. The rest of us are expendable.

If I had to guess, I'd say your blood pressure and your level of stress was considerably higher than Qshtik's
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You guessed wrong. My resting pulse and BP is probably below the average, being that my body is conditioned for long distance running.

Mornin' LB, breaking up the OWS is a pretty good description! here is a video link. You here people chanting peace in the background as the police roust the people.
http://www.twitvid.com/SGWD9

"they're so in a rush to blurt out what they're thinking that they could care less about actual communication."

Q, you were in such a rush to thanks Beantown for his recognizing you talents that you missed (purposefully or not) his error. I'll let you figure it out.

That would be "thank". My bad.

"if the draft was brought back these crybabies might stand a chance of growing up not to mention the booster shot that would give to the anti-war movement against our perpetual conflict..."
-the resident submariner-

Nice post, BHM. And I agree with you about colleges, too - the concept of a 4 year-resident-only-on-campus college degree is another financial-type "bubble" that is drifting toward large pins. It won't last much longer.

And military service. The WWII generation of citizen soldiers knew that the military was essential. They were proud of their service, but the ones who saw hard duty were generally pretty quiet about it. And most of them saw the peacetime military for what it is/was - a FUBARED bureaucratic enterprise that had to be there and had to be supported - no matter what.

Anyway, I'm rambling.
But a becoming country without - any possibility of - Universal Service gave us a professional military-industrial complex that could begin to drive the country in unfortunate directions.

And the genuine GENUFLECTION that the bulk of the US population presently has toward ALL things military that started after 9/11 -

It was certainly brainwashing (JMG's thaumaturgy?) that got us to this odd combination of love and hate of military forces -

I'm wondering how this particular B-grade Horror Movie script is going to end for us.
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This is not the world's best ever CFN post - but its heart is in the right place.

You can tell a perfectionist didn't write it.

Screw it - click - "Submit"
and put this post out of its misery.

Its interesting to note that it was the cities on the west coast, controlled by "Progressives" , Seattle & Oakland, who first moved on the Owsers. Once the left gets in charge they don't like any dissent. That's why you don'y see too many street demonstrations in Cuba or N. Korea. People there know better. Here they have a lot to learn.

PoC, your posting about immigration is a waste of time. Its too late. The die was cast with Ted Kennedys immigration act in 1965, opening the United States up to the third world. At that time the US was 89% white. The whole idea was to make us less white, to cut whitey off at the nuts, so to speak. I'd say the plan is working out pretty good, and when the day come when whitey is eliminated completely ... then it will be "mission accomplished".

--WSP7

"Suddenly, we have enough known natural gas to supply 100 percent of our domestic needs for the next 90 years..."
-buck-

So, we're just not going to worry about Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) and the US impact on it. OK, then -

"The whole idea was to make us less white, to cut whitey off at the nuts, so to speak. I'd say the plan is working out pretty good, and when the day come when whitey is eliminated completely ... then it will be "mission accomplished"."
-wsp-

Wow, if I didn't know better, I would swear you had turned into Vlad overnight, Marlin.

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And I disagree about wasting my time.
NumbersUSA has put together a good TV ad.
It has been run in selected markets.

Eventually - the bad impacts of a growing US population will sink in -

It may already be too late, I'll agree.
But I'm going to go down fighting, or something.

It's not just the Penn State foot fans who are having trouble understanding what is moral or ethical. Recently an off duty New Jersey cop was shot dead by a pimp while trying to pick up a prostitute in front of a strip club. He has now been officially sanctify as a "hero". Hundreds of cops showed up at his funeral...sucking up massive amounts of OT and dozens of them riding cop Harley's like some better funded, armed and dangerous version of the Hells Angels.

That's where America is in the year 2011, baby rapers who play football are worshiped as gods. Criminal cops are heroes. Wall St swindlers are masters of the universe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0s8eKg2b8I

Above link goes to the NumbersUSA ad.
It's 30 seconds long, and worth consideration.

Funny stuff, Scott, when you think about it:

"We have numerous wars, corrupt government, and taxpayer bailed out corporations, yet the only thing that can get young people angry is the firing of a football coach? Sad indeed, but not surprising. China, India, and other up and coming peoples must look at this in absolute shock and awe"
-scott-

Yeah, scott, "up and coming peoples" look at this in shock. Then they think - "What a prosperous country the US must be - that they have spare time to riot over FOOTBALL*."

So - - - Even RIOTS in the United States make us look more attractive to immigrants from other countries. Cluster F*cked, we may be.

"*FOOTBALL coach riot?? - That's not like a soccer riot, is it?"

*Question is funnier in Mandarin, anyway -

Don't get me wrong, PoC, I meet many, many immigrants from 3rd world countries; I haven't met too many whom didn't like or would wish to see deported. And I don't blame them for coming, either.

Politically speaking, tho, I'm not kidding myself as to why they're here.

---WSP7

Of course, the Democrats went right along with it all, too, so (in some areas at least) they're really no better.
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Make that.....dispite the rhetoric, on any issue involving "money" they are virtually identical. That is, so corrupt their only argument is who gets to be first in line when the lobbyists are handing out the money.

The discussion of "social issues" is fully as much a distraction for the left as it is for the right. Both parties use them to divert attention away from their kleptocratic activities.

Being a part of either one of these "parties" is a virtual confession to being a political dupe.


Be careful with that kind of completely over the top truth telling or Q will label you an angry jew.

I'm with you about going down fighting, but wsp is right . The die is cast. I am reading buchanan's new book. It is sobering stuff. I know many on this blog hate him but what he is saying makes sense to me.

"Politically speaking, tho, I'm not kidding myself as to why they're here."
-wsp-

Wow, Marlin - so you have an unquestioning belief that "reverse racism" or "anti-white bias" or "something bad like that" was at the CORE of the 1965 immigration act.

That had never actually occurred to me until just now. I just assumed it was a bunch of 1960's politicians angling for votes - and passing a law that they assumed would be improved in the fullness of time, to the benefit of America.

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But if many people, like you, believe that that law was passed out of pure "racism,"
that does explain why any attempts to change it are met with charges of "racism."

Weird, I will admit. This is one of those issues that logic, by itself, cannot begin to address.

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And Marlin, when you use the word "deportation," you have already taken us into the realm of "illegal" immigration - and the emotional question of whether it is unAmerican not to LIKE all immigrants.

I like immigrants just fine, thank you. I'm just working to get the incoming LEGAL numbers reduced -

Name - most any big problem the US or the World faces - and I'll show you how reducing future US population growth will address it for the better.

Try me.

All it takes is willingness to consider a "diverse" viewpoint.

PoC--

Marlin? Marlin? Who is this this Marlin character you speak of?

As far as I can tell he was kicked out of here a long time ago.

---WSP7

Prog Pretends to Wonder:

" Wow, Marlin - so you have an unquestioning belief that "reverse racism" or "anti-white bias" or "something bad like that" was at the CORE of the 1965 immigration act.

That had never actually occurred to me until just now. I just assumed it was a bunch of 1960's politicians angling for votes - and passing a law that they assumed would be improved in the fullness of time, to the benefit of America."

KulturCritic was right about you: you really are an idiot. And I'm sorry I ever defended you.

Come on, widespreadP - don't tell me that you and Marlin are not the same poster.

You both write with the same style.
You have similar political beliefs.
You both know O3 personally.

And I don't think Marlin54 was "kicked out."
I think he lost a pretty cool screenname about two months ago. Cash still hasn't come back from that electronic debacle.

I'll probably be able to recognize Cash's writing pretty quickly if he reappears under a new handle.

So, seriously, Marlin/WSP - if you TELL me you are two different posters I'll try to let it drop.

But I probably won't believe you, absent evidence.

"KulturCritic was right about you: you really are an idiot. And I'm sorry I ever defended you."
-bs-

Buck, you're going to have to explain this, as regards the 1965 law.

Q, if this is clear to you - maybe you can explain it if Buck won't.

I never have never understood the joy in watching an oblong ball with two ends being pushed and shoved up and down a grass field for hours on end without purpose of any kind. I realize I am almost alone in my confusion and ignorance.

Seems to me this whole thing is a convenient distraction to take attention away from more pressing issues such as the massive police removal of OWS protesters across the land this week.

It's just me, I find football less interesting than drying paint but is this the first time we have ever heard of a homosexual pedophiles dirty deeds?

And concerning this last sentence:

"Every new day that dawns lately gives further proof that we are a wicked people who deserve to be punished."

I'm surprised Vlad has not pointed the 'slave mentality' of this statement as per Nietzshe.

Nothing wicked this way goes, I don't need punishment thank you.

"Buck, you're going to have to explain this, as regards the 1965 law."

Let me edit that -
Buck, you're going to have to explain this, as regards WHAT I JUST SAID TO WSP, as regards the 1965 law.

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And I've been assuming that Marlin and WSP are the same poster.

Marlin is very much pro-immigrant.
I assumed WSP was, also.
Which made is statement about the rational for the 1965 law - strange.

Thus I didn't "pretend" to wonder.
I am genuinely wondering.

But for you to use the word "idiot," buck.
That shows you are thinking emotionally.

It's an emotional issue.
It deserves a logical examination.

How large to you think the United States population should be allowed to become?

Question : Why are gas prices going down while oil is through the roof? Could it be another fix to get those retail sales numbers up this holiday season? I saw $3.25 a gallon this morning.

I don't understand Helen Highwater's repeated use of the word homophobic. Wouldn't that mean fear of homos. Just because someone thinks those two its on DANCING WITH THE STARS are repulsive, doesn't mean that they are afraid of them. I have gay friends and relatives that I like, and I have gay relatives that I dislike, but I am not afraid of any of them.

Amen!


Helenhighwater, if you read my post carefully, --

"According to the homosexual marriage promoters, the ten year old is at least old enough to get married to the coach now...I mean its as normal as apple pie right?"

--and do the math, you'll find the shower victim is now 18 and legally able "to marry" his victimizer...

I mean, if that's they way he was born and is celebrating with his choices to enjoy the same rites and rituals as straight people :-)


No, don't extort money from the Iraqi people who are
the definite victims, you take the money from the Oil Companies that are stealing the Iraqi people's oil.

PoC

OzoneP (03 as you call him) is a popular entertainer who has produced any number of CDs. He is known by many.

--WSP7

WSP7,
Stirring that kettle with a canoe paddle, are we?
;o)
(Seems to get the blood moving for some, though. Stir away!)

Hi Mila, I have never searched any sports crap on the web. Google is wasteing their electrons on me. As a matter of fact I am considered somewhat of a weirdo at the firehouse because I never watch the Pats or the Red Sox. I don't give a rats ass about team sports. The fellas think I am strange because I watch womens tennis when Maria is playing! UUUGGGHHH, man that girl is a screamer!Sorry Ladies!

Hey WSP, If PC2 is correct glad to see ya back. How'd the Enfield run this year?

they could care less

"OzoneP is known by many.'
-wsp or marlin?-

Ah, yes grasshopper - but you did not answer my question. You merely cast doubt on one piece of my evidence, without refuting its veracity.

Also - Let's consider that WSP made his advent only a short time after Marlin "left."

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Anyway -
How large do you think the population of the United States should be allowed to become?

How large did Marlin think the population of the United States should be allowed to become?
Did he ever get to the Florida Keys?
How's the newspaper job going?

And if you're new, WideSpread - I sure do miss talking to Marlin. Even though we "respectfully disagreed" on one important idea.

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A canoe paddle, O3? Now that's funny - I don't care who you are!
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And yeah, Q - I know it was supposed to be "rationale," not "rational."

About the Occupiers; I always suspected that if that movement didn't have it's Crispus Attucks moment by mid-November, civic officials would be forced to bust it all up before winter set in. With that thought in mind, it will be interesting to see if any journalists follow the hard core homeless occupiers once they have vacated. Isn't widespread homelessness the inevitable conclusion to the ongoing financial crisis?

Hey P2C, I believe MarlinFive54 disappeared about the time of the Norwegian mass murder on 7/22. He jumped the gun, no pun intended, and assumed it was a muslim terrorist. We all know what A.s.s.u.m.e. stands for. Anyway, I thought the same thing when the killings happened. We all make mistakes. Anywho, if WSP7 is my ol' buddy Marlin. Welcome back, I knew you couldn't stay away!

PoC;

One thing for now.

Nothing I would like more than to collect RipT and Ozone for a road trip south to Georgia ... meet up with you and Tripp, maybe walk the Resaca battlefield, crack open a few icy Pabst longnecks on a hot Dixie afternoon, Georgia Satellites and Drive by Truckers on the AM radio, talking about shit like we do here but in person the oldschool way.

--WSP7

China pegs its yuan to the dollar.

That is why American bankers and their Congressional puppets scream about unfair money manipulation by the Chinese! How DARE they tie their money to the dollar!

It would be funny if it weren't so incredibly wrong.


Vlad, others,

re poor and women's likes, I think you'll appreciate
this:

A well dressed and composed man walks up to an elegant and beautiful woman sitting at the bar of an country club.

"My dear, I find you fascinating and lovely.... If I took you to Europe with me, bought you a Ferrari and all the jewels that you could ever wear--whatever you want-- would you make passionate love with me every night??"

"Well of course I would" she giggled.

"OK, How about five bucks for a blow job in
the bathroom over there?"

"Wha?..What do you think I am?..."She gasped

"Oh we've already established that, we're just negotiating prices now".

Marlin is barely back and you're already insulting him by comparing him to me. People are amazing in terms of what one person will elicit from another - or Not. Marlin would never in a million years admit such a sentiment to me - cuz that would make me right - and that the Germans were too. They believed that there was a world wide conspiracy against our Race and Civilization by the you know whos. Great Americans like Charles Lindbergh believed the same. Marlin can't admit such a thing because he's emotional and loves WW2 America - even though they were obviously utterly decieved. Now he's begining to believe the same things as they did, but will never admit it or that WW1 And WW2 Americans were a bunch a yahoos who were gulled into fighting their brothers in Europe.

Ted Kennedy was mere the gentile front man for a huge multi-generational effort on the part of the Jews to open our borders. Shortly before his death, Kennedy admitted that America was basically over in another generation or so. Also he wrote a letter to the Pope admitting certain mistakes and indiscretions. Mary Jo perhaps? Or just the destruction of his Native Land? The man was evil if the word has any meaning at all.

Prog, check out who was behind Kennedy and you will Know the Truth of my words. Why? Because the weaker we are, the stronger they are. And of course their billionaire Gentile Friends get stronger too - and richer. Mustn't ever forget our own Traitors.

Ted Kennedy's support for the 1965 Immigration act was a ploy to get more Catholics into the country from both Ireland and most importantly Latin America to and including Haitians. He later sponsored various laws designed to cut even more slack for Irish.

Thoroughly enjoyed this rant Bub. You have a way about you of getting to underlying truths.

Yeah, Wage

RE: Yuan and US Dollar and how we're going to get China to stop manipulating their currecy.--Troubles with your non-existent national economy? Call out the usual suspects.

Just one more act in the Kabuki theater of the Orwellian crew.

Listening to Max Keiser today--end of sovereignty in Italy and other European countries.

MF Global customers cannot get their money or information re their money frozen in the account. Even folks in the top 1% are getting obliterated.

They are stealing out of the accounts of the rich. I keep saying if you're not in the inside--you'll be chum for these creeps.

That one has been going around for awhile in various forms. Churchill used it with women. Another good Churchill: A woman said to him, "You are drunk". He responds, Yes Madam, but tomorrow I will be sober. You are ugly and will remain so.

Read a great (true) story from England. A cabbie picked up two well dressed young woman from a club at closing time. He dropped one off and the other immediately tore her blouse open and started screaming rape. He was immediately pulled from the cab by two men nearby. They held him until the police came and they threw him into jail where he stayed for weeks. He protested his innocence but is was just a stable working man's word against a club girl's. Finally the father of the first girl asked her is she knew the truth of the matter. She burst out crying and said, She was just trying to get out of paying the fare. Is that so wrong? They were being victimized you see! The Cabbie had his reputation destroyed and was too traumatized to ever drive a cab again. Nothing happened to the young female psycho.

And then they tell us to "man up" and marry female psychopaths who have been put over us in both popular culture and the Law.

As you know Ted was a Kennedy Catholic who believed in gay marriage, abortion on demand etc. He didn't give a damn about Catholicism except for their votes. He loved the self image of a Civil Rights Lion always on the side of the poor. And he was - and he wanted more of them to increase his grandiose feelings - and his Power incidently! All of this made him very useful to those behind the scenes with unlimed capital who wanted to change America in the very same way for different reasons perhaps.

You know that the Jews founded the NAACP right? Easily checked.

So your answer to the preying upon the young by the colleges and the banks is to hand them over to the military-industrial complex instead.

That way, many more oil-land dwelling brown people can be killed by many more Americans, leading to more American deaths, leading to more devastated parents and widows in America, leading to more anti-war sentiment, which will lead to peace.

Wow! The most convoluted solution to war I've ever heard.

Not to mention that it wouldn't work. 3 million dead Vietnamese and over 50,000 dead Americans might have led to massive protests, but someone just a few posts ago pointed out that Nixon pledged to ignore them.

Bush/Obama are even more outspoken in their dismissal of public opinion having any impact on policy.

Spot-on! Thanx, Jim, for your terrific summary of the Penn State brouhaha and its implications.

Fascists believe in Divine Law. And slaves are not virtuous, despite what they think. Reverend Phelps is making a desperate attempt to wake people up - BEFORE the Hammer falls. Offensive? Sure, but not as offensive as a Crusader Sodomite State which will soon criminalize Christianity. Yet Evangelical Yahoos continue to fight for people who hate them. That's slavery and slave morality.

To clarify: there are many kinds of Fascism - as many as there are Peoples and Nations. Russell Kirk said Conservatism is defending the rights of particular people in particular place at a particular time. No Fascist could say it better. The Nazis were Anti-Christian philosophically and planned to phase it out gradually. I am a Christian so I'm not that kind of Fascist. Some Nazis disagree and deny that they were trying to phase it out. But to the best of my current knowledge, they were.

True Conservatism, America First, is the American form of Fascism. Very individualistic - an unusual form, probably due to the wide open spaces and pioneer mentality that formed it. In all other respects, it conforms to type. Japan is another unusual type, with a very subtle control over its Capitalism that we have lost.

"I am a Christian so I'm not that kind of Fascist."

So...what kind of fascist are you?

"And slaves are not virtuous, despite what they think."

Please clarify.

"...deep resonant..."

Redundant? Pleonasm?
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I disagree Evelyn. Dictionary.com doesn't even list "deep" as a synonym of resonant. I DO see the connection though to vibration which is the quality that makes for "resonance." Namely, that we humans can detect the vibrations in a deep voice more so than a high pitched voice.

And BTW, in your desire to find fault with what I've written (in a kind of "I'll fix that prick Q" way) you have done precisely what you accuse ME of ... you have used two words that are synonymous where one would have been sufficient. A tip of the hat to Strunk and White.

"And then they tell us to "man up" and marry female psychopaths who have been put over us in both popular culture and the Law." - Vlad

I still can't figure out why you're not good with the ladies.

Interesting point.

I was just wondering about that, especially after listening to Catherine Austin Fitts talk about how regulations are just used to go after the unfavored. No honor among thieves, and all.

Why did Martha Stewart go to jail for doing what everyone else was doing? Why Bernie Madoff? And now, what did Jon Corzine do to piss off the rest of the gang of 1%?

Clearly, the law is applied unequally, and not just that a 99%er can go to prison for stealing a candy bar, while Jamie Dimon can steal trillions with impunity.

Tools of the ruling class can do down also.

I now think that Richard Nixon did something to piss off Wall Street, and their CIA was used to take him down without assassination.

But Michael Connell's plane crash, just before he was to testify on the stolen 2004 election, shows that they can still go old school!

ASOKA,

You asked me about the $ 1.4 quadrillion number. I just ran into a new posting that you might want to listen to.

You'll prob. want to listen to more on this website. for Nov 14 incl. Celente's I got burned by MF Global.


http://geraldcelentechannel.blogspot.com/2011/11/14-quadrillion-dollar-derivative-bubble.html

I don't have a lot of time at the moment so this will be brief. Between what I believe to be your feigned awakening - " that "reverse racism" or "anti-white bias" or "something bad like that" was at the CORE of the 1965 immigration act...that had never actually occurred to me until just now" - and your dire concern over overpopulation I no longer find you believable.

At least Vlad, Anti Soak, Marlin/WSP are up front with their agenda. You, on the other hand, couch and conceal yours with all your dire concern over overpopulation.

Let me be frank: I think you're a phony; I don't believe you. To me, you're the conniving coyote, and the sneering hyena...Robert The Bruce's duplicitous father in Braveheart, the intellectual leper. And I'm done engaging with your socio/political contamination.

Oh Wage, you are so right about Nixon,

Yes, indeed he was hung out to dry. Don't forget he said (Shock Doctrine) "We are all Keynesian, now". That was the kiss of death he brought upon himself.
His administration was all Friedmanites.

Also the buck stopped with him. Let's face it, once you cross the Rubicom you're all alone. He stood out like a sore thumb in the Watergate Break-in. Looked like he directed it.

He had to go down. The trail had to end with him.

Kissinger lived on to create Kissinger and Assoc and their greatest goose to lay the golden egg: Chimerica.

The show must go on....

Pleonasm? I had to whip out my Funk 'n' Wagnalls for that one. I've always thought of resonant as a word used to describe the tonal quality of a musical instrument.

What's his real name so I can know who my enemy is and where to buy his music. If you know a man's music, you know his heart. If you know his heart, you know is will. If you know his will, you know his mind, and if you know his heart, will, and mind, you can guess what he will do. The name?

Are you impaired? I'm obviously a Christian Fascist in the Traditional mode a la Franco. But because I grew up here, I've also been influenced by the Traditional American Folk Fascism.

Until you answer Prog's question about population, your credibility is nil. Are you a hater like Asoka or what?

Yeah but is what I'm saying true? Forgot all about that didn't ya? Casting aspersions is so much more fun than facing hard truths.

In an ugly world there is bound to be some ugly truth. There's no way to say this without sounding completely misogynistic, but, marrying a female psychopath combined with blind faith in a totally corrupt legal system is the primary reason I am where I am. And no, I am NOT going into detail in a public forum. So Vlad, quit lobbing those softballs and get back here. You're not done. Jeezuz, if ya can't fuck up in blog called "CLUSTERFUCK NATION", where in the hell can ya fuck up?

Let me be frank: I think you're a phony; I don't believe you. To me, you're the conniving coyote, and the sneering hyena...Robert The Bruce's duplicitous father in Braveheart, the intellectual leper. And I'm done engaging with your socio/political contamination.
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Whew! WOW! Now you've gone and done it Buck. You've spoiled Prog's day if not his entire week. I will guarantee when he read your blunt smackdown his pulse raced and his face flushed, if that gives you any satisfaction. Now he will be on a quest to get back in you're good graces if it takes a lifetime. That is the curse of being TOO concerned with what other people think of us.

That said ........ on to another topic.

Now that I know you're an artist (of the paint on canvas type) I have many questions (inappropriate for this forum) I would like to ask concerning a massive art project I've been mulling for years involving paint but not canvas. Trouble is..how to hold such a conversation without giving up our respective anonymity.

They say Che turned as White as a ghost when the Bolivian authorities asked him if he had any last words. Che thought he was going to go on TV and give a press conference! Castro sent him to die - and only then did he begin to praise him to the skies. So ended the pretty boy thug/murderer.

Am I impaired? Working on it. There seems to be some kind of satellite delay with the posts. Traditional Christian Fascism? American Folk Fascism? You sure know your Fascism. Golly, I had no idea such an oppressive form of government could be reshaped in so many ways. Sounds like a lot of Me Too -ism. Why not just go back to royalty? Shit, now I have to read about it. Damn you, Vlad.

"If you know a man's music, you know his heart."

We'll see. Here's some heart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZuX8mZVCX8&feature=related

"At least Vlad, Anti Soak, Marlin/WSP are up front with their agenda. You, on the other hand, couch and conceal yours with all your dire concern over overpopulation."
-bs-

BS, you need to go back and reread my post - which was in a form of a QUESTION to Marlin/WSP.

Marlin demonstrated his Pro-Immigrant bona fides to CFN - several months ago - and THAT was the context within which my QUESTION to him was intended.

Do you even remember Marlin's pro-immigrant posts?
Did you even read them????
Doesn't look like it.

Doesn't matter. You have been eagerly looking for a way to pigeonhole my thoughts in that Politically Correct-leaning brain of yours. And, you finally found it - XX correct that XXX - you finally MADE UP a way.

And YET the question remains unanswered by buck:

How large do you think the population of the United States should be allowed to become?

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Q, you're a tool, and I don't mean that in the pejorative sense of sexual insult.

You're just a tool. You were designed by nature, evolution, or fate to think small thoughts and do small deeds while being used by bigger men.

I am going to start psychoanalyzing you for the pleasure of CFN - if you keep on with all of this.

And you are not going to like it.

Excuse me for barging in to what looks like a stimulating discussion about immigration and race issues, but I just have to share this.

We've had an Occupy genuine occupation in Toronto Canada (pop: 3 million) since mid October and they've just been served nice and proper eviction notices telling them to get out by midnight tonight. They're in a downtown park and quite well established with tents, communications, running water and electricity, toilets etc. Lots of support from regular folks and unions.

It's going to be a minute-by-minute thing and of course they're refusing to go. We had some very nasty police action at a G-20 summit protest here and protesters are banking on them not repeating their mistakes of that event, but I'm not so sure they won't. Ultimately police seem to need to swing their batons.

I'm guessing most of us regular CFN followers are both interested and heartened by the Occupy Movement. Right now I am excited and scared for them too. It hit me in a real way today that plenty of the youngsters have been listening to us over the years and are carrying the torch for us now.

BTW Gordon Lightfoot is at the Park now with his daughter, who's one of the protesters. She's carrying a guitar, what a surprise. Great pix and live twitter at the Toronto Star newspaper:

www.thestar.com

Why isn't asia chiming in with one of his poorly written by usually accurate assessments of uncontrolled immigration?

Hey Caleb -
You know asia has reincarnated as anti-soak.

(You do understand buck, that's a questioning statement - even though it lacks a question mark, right?)

Anyway, caleb - I saw where you thought wage, q, I, and a couple of others - only read each other's posts.

Well - I read 'em all. If I don't comment back about a new topic at least once, I must be in general agreement with you on it, caleb.

Say something that I found outrageously disagreeable and I'll be sure to comment on it for you, anyway.

I know you're not going to stop, and maybe you shouldn't, but you're never going to convince the bleeding hearts on here that the U.S shouldn't be turned into non European third world type shithole. They are not interested in the fate of the ordinary American, only somebody they determine is a sacred cow type 'minority group'.

The only thing they like better than foreigners is cop killers. And when they can't win an argument, they'll start in with the third rate dickweed psychoanalysis.

Sounde like you two are soul mates

Insufferbell said "We had a elementary school principal... who had child porn in his top draw(er). The custodians found it. He was a dispicable(sic) character... died of AIDS at the age of 48... He hated me because I had the audacity to confront him on issues involving child abuse of a few of my students. He had me transferred to another school, but not before I made a laughing stock of him."

Then you say

"That is why I cannot understand how a 23 year old man couldn't stop this coach raping someone. My school principal weighed 350 pounds and was a male. I am a female and only weight 130 lbs. But believe me, after growing up in Brooklyn, I am afraid of nothing when it comes to this kind of behavior."

Its quite simple, really. As a "colleague" you had a certain relationship to the power structure. I don't know how you made a laughingstock of him, but it implies avenues of recourse. Now, the 23 year old "man" is considered an adolescent according to contemporary psychologists (25 is the new 18, 40 is the new 30, and 60 is the new 40.") Sandusky is what gorillas might recognize as an "Alpha" male, the adolescent a "Beta" male. The beta simply has no will of his own. Nothing is more uncomfortable in this world than the negative attention of a man whose position indicates he could end your career with a phone call. A man who is "loved and adored" by almost everyone.

You end up believing what he says because of who is "is". In this case, the child had sexual feelings for him, normal for a boy his age, and what transpired was nothing less than the simple sexual exploration of a young boy. Its hard to handle for a culture that strains to believe that children are not sexual beings.

At any rate, "Alpha" males don't tend to look to the hierarchy for guidance, whose rules they circumscribe. They write rules for other people.

The defrocked priest was a different rank of male. Certainly there is a large difference between someone who fantasies about having sex with children and someone who actually does. Your defrocked priest was a eunuch. Perhaps at one point in his development his will to power was crushed. Vlad would have you believe it may have been the corrupting influence of an older homosexual, but that is probably incorrect. It is common that such males, hopelessly attracted to systems and hierarchies like moth to flame, rather helplessly find themselves firmly under the thumb of some Greater Male in some other hierarchy. The fate of most males is subordination. Once a man is broken down to a state where the hormones of male development cease to exercise any of their functions, their lives are functionally over. How is one going to establish autonomy, independence, or cultivate personal power without essential testosterone, serotonin, and dopamine? The answer is that one does not; one enfolds themselves in whatever dreadful life they are stuck in and live lives of "quiet desperation".

Anyway, Sandusky's big ape ass was too flaming red for the poor beta male monkey to challenge. A Homo in estrus, if you will. Very dangerous to attempt approaching from the rear. The take-home, though, is that, where you find alphas, you are going to find the secret affair(s), with men and women of all ages. Of course, when you find that children are harmed (and of course many are) you have to kill the sumbitch. Of course, his being an alpha makes it difficult to hold him accountable. As D. Jensen points out, responsibility does not flow "up" the hierarchy nearly as efficiently as it flows "down" the heirarchy (or across). It is a testament to my testimony that such charges only float to the surface years later.

Either way he ends up being tried in the court of public opinion. Ahh, the good old High Court of Public Opinion, always in session, no lawyers fees required.

Wow. I just realized that I'm Facebook friends with methusalah.

I realized it when he posted this-

http://www.vaticanassassins.org/2011/11/knights-of-malta-masters-of-the-popes-federal-reserve-bank-using-front-jews/

Auguste Rodin was careful to never place his models in a contrived pose lest he not reproduce what nature spontaneously offered him. Along that vein, when Prog offers up the rare "unaffected" moment or posture, I begin to discern a certain agenda beyond population obsession. Prog writes:

"So today - the American Dream goes to people who sell their Food Stamps so they can buy tennis shoes, big screen TV's, Hagen-Daas Ice Cream, and Iphones.
Their kids get a free lunch and breakfast at school and at HeadStart, anyway.
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Bitter - you damn right I'm getting bitter. Welfare was supposed to help pre-1964 native born blacks get a leg-up into a better life.
As a life-long Liberal, I was always in favor of that sort of Welfare spending.
Instead Welfare has fostered a never ending scam.
And now, we're importing 1,000,000 fresh immigrants every year - to add to the insanity.


The amount of hostility that they experience on a daily basis between/among immigrant groups (Jamaican, Somali, Muslim, Christian, etc, etc) was a real surprise to me. And I'm hard to surprise."

Welfare was for pre-1964 born blacks? I would ask you to source that assertion but it's so utterly idiotic that I won't bother.

And, no, I haven't been trying to "pigeon hole" you. Time and time again I have defended you agfainst charges of racism.

Look, I don't really care what you espouse; I'm all for free expression etc. I just no longer believe the facade.

Speaking of credibility, you have no right to accuse Asoka of "hate". After all, hate is your lifeblood. You hate Blacks, Mexicans, Jews,women, academics, liberals, homosexuals...the list is too long.

And that refrain, "how much immigration is enough" is one of the stock defense cards of the virulently anti-illegal immigrant crowd in the spirit of Tom Tancredo etc. I have heard it uttered many times on lunatic right-wing talk radio - which is why you think it's such an important question to answer.

"Ahh, the good old High Court of Public Opinion, always in session, no lawyers fees required."

Free parking? Watch out for that Living Death Sentence.

“I (or we) believe in God” has got to be among the least meaningful, commonly used phrases. Its only rival may be “I/we do not believe in God.” As to “who is going to do the punishing,” that would be the law of karma, which is not so much punishment as the teaching of a lesson. Just don’t ask where, when or how.

The definition of God to which I subscribe, when definitions are called for, is that God is existence, infinite and eternal Being. That would include everything that exists, all that does not exist, as well as everything that falls outside of those two catagories. This would seem to mean all the transgressors, the would-be punishers, and anyone that may not fall into either of these catagories. Now, go ahead and yourself where you fit in to this scheme.

You're just a tool. You were designed by nature, evolution, or fate to think small thoughts and do small deeds while being used by bigger men.
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I see myself more like Aesop's Tortoise.

"Welfare was for pre-1964 born blacks? I would ask you to source that assertion but it's so utterly idiotic that I won't bother."
-buck-

Buck, wage tried to call me on that earlier. I was alive and kicking in 1964. Welfare Reform of '64 and the Civil Rights Act of '64 were comingled in the mind of the public IN 1964.

The reason for all of this - is that lawmakers were fairly well convinced that things in the US were about to get really nasty - over racial issues.

And - again, buck - in your eagerness to label me as a "RACIST" (tm asoka.?) you skipped over the part where I said:
"Welfare was supposed to help pre-1964 native born blacks get a leg-up into a better life.
As a life-long Liberal, I was always in favor of that sort of Welfare spending."

Did you see that?
"I WAS ALWAYS IN FAVOR OF THAT SORT OF WELFARE SPENDING."

My other knowledge of the Civil Rights and Welfare Reform Acts of 1964 comes from this song.
You and wage might prove me wrong on technicalities - but the fact will remain -

Those laws were passed with the intent of helping NATIVE BORN BLACKS.

Standing in line marking time-
Waiting for the welfare dime
'Cause they can't buy a job
The man in the silk suit hurries by
As he catches the poor ladies' eyes
Just for fun he says "get a job"

CHORUS
That's just the way it is
Some things will never change
That's just the way it is
But don't you believe them

They say he little boy you can't go
Where the others go
'Cause you don't look like they do
Said hey old man how can you stand
To think that way
Did you really think about it
Before you made the rules
He said, Son

CHORUS

Well they passed a law in '64
To give those who ain't got a little more
But it only goes so far
Because the law don't change another's mind
When all it sees at the hiring time
Is the line on the color bar
-bruce hornsby-

"....how much immigration is enough" is one of the stock defense cards of the virulently anti-illegal immigrant crowd...."
-bs, to vlad-

Buck I've been giving you too much credit.
Your mind works in a simple, and PC, manner:

First - you CONFLATE "the anti-illegal immigrant crowd" with concerns about LEGAL immigration.

And then you engage in "logic," as follows:

David Duke is a Racist
David Duke is for reduction of immigration
-therefore-
EVERYONE who is for reduction of immigration
- is a racist.

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RACIST - It's your final trump card, Buck, since you refuse to engage in any further debate on reduction of immigration - LEGAL or otherwise.

And since you still REFUSE to answer the question:
How large should the population of the United States be allowed to become?

I'm excited and scared for them too. All of them, wherever they are. My heart will go out to the ones that the police arrest and process. A lot of doors will close once it shows up on their rap sheet. That is a huge sacrifice. They will be the casualties of war. It's got to be done. There is no other way.

Cuz asia got hit with the ban stick and posts as anti soak.

"How large should the population of the United States be allowed to become?"

I'd say 300 lbs is a bit on the hefty side.

Oh, nos, not The Feminism!

So I googled race and welfare, because I was sure that there were more white people on welfare than black.

This popped up. Hmmm. No wonder you conflate race and welfare with the Welfare Reform Act of 1964.

According to this, blacks were excluded from welfare before then. Only whites got it.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.brynmawr.edu%2FAcads%2FGSSW%2Fschram%2Fsosspresentation.pdf&ei=ju_CTozzMqfe2AWWhMzHDg&usg=AFQjCNEgZIZXxrpvHEDgG_Sid1WdmyQq3Q&sig2=f-tZ-rpy28vj9rMXj89UsQ

Wow. I was afraid that I would be kicked off of here for posting that link. I guess JHK fixed the spam problem.

Hope it works.

Either way he ends up being tried in the court of public opinion. Ahh, the good old High Court of Public Opinion, always in session, no lawyers fees required.
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VERY impressive analysis Bust. It all sounds quite plausible. But you sound a bit too familiar with the mental states and power structures of these Alpha and Beta players you describe; no offense.

Um, yes, there are far more whites on welfare, given that blacks are 10% of the population. That makes perfect sense. A lot of black men are excluded from receiving it due to felony criminal convictions, as well.

I'm not sure about the respective percentage of each race that is on welfare. I'd guess it is higher for blacks, maybe a lot higher, but not really sure.

I'd say 300 lbs is a bit on the hefty side.
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I had to think that response over an extra 3 seconds or so and then busted out laughing.

"....there was a world wide conspiracy against our Race and Civilization by the you know whos. Great Americans like Charles Lindbergh believed the same."
-vlad-

Wage this goes out to you, too. The problem with most conspiracy theories is that they end up with "The Jews" pulling the strings and calling the shots.

And the first problem is that "The Jews" forgot to tell (among many others) James Howard Kunstler and BeanTownBill - two Jewish gentlemen whose logic and intellect I have come to trust, over the past several months.

So, how can you have a conspiracy if all the principals involved did NOT get the word.

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Now - it's natural that some Jewish men would come out of the crucible of WWII and its aftermath, with:
1. Great empathy for the oppressed
2. A desire to remake the world
3. A desire to drive a stake through the heart of nationalism, especially White Nationalism.

Henry Kissinger would make the short list, of men like this. So would David Gelbaum, whose donations to the Sierra Club caused it to radically change directions.
http://www.susps.org/

ALL Sierra club members should read this, btw.

BeanTown - Maybe I should put some more disclaimers on this before I post it. But here goes - and if it's anti-Semitic, somebody is going to have to show me why.

I will wait with interest.

"Um, yes, there are far more whites on welfare, given that blacks are 10% of the population. That makes perfect sense."
-turkle, to wage-

I can give you the figures, Wage.
Black women make up 6% of the population and supposedly receive 34% of the AFDC benefits.

That's unverified, and from a private website.
Maybe someone who is good at research can find us a good .gov website -

But then who trusts government figures, right?

Prog, the logical retort to Buck's statement that "....how much immigration is enough" is one of the stock defense cards of the virulently anti-illegal immigrant crowd...." is that HIS response is one of the stock answer-dodging cards of the virulent Left "crowd." (Reminder: Words like "crowd" and "ilk" are always pejorative.)

Im a little surprised men of yr caliber would bother with BS from MrBstud.

Does the fellow in Toronto area who was posting about all the horrors of Immigration and PC in
Canada...you still lurking here?

Marlin is in NE and disliked leftist gays?
Cash is in Canada?

Thanks for the link, wage. I wasn't aware of this website. It's now been added to my Google Reader RSS list. The way I came to learn about the Vatican being behind the Central Banks is by way of Jordan Maxwell's research.

If you google 'less blacks on welfare' you get that
less Blacks get than whites...
once you look over the 'cherry picked data'
you see Blacks get the dole twice as much as whites..
In any case 47 million people including criminals, wetbacks and anchor babes are on food stamps.
The fraud is billions of dollars a year.
What was the budget for the whole federal govt in 1930?40?70?
Compare that with the total for war+welfare in yearly fed budget.

You may be right, but prog pretty much implied that welfare was strictly for black people born before 1964. That is what I was challenging.

"how much immigration is enough" is one of the stock defense cards of the virulently anti-illegal immigrant crowd..."
-q, to p2c, regarding bs-

You're right, Q.
I was saving that for my next reply to buck, but I'm glad you went ahead and brought it up.
Maybe he'll answer you.

From what I've seen so far, though, Buck's answer will be:

"There is no upper limit.
No amount of US immigration is enough."

Should be interesting to hear what he really thinks about this. I don't think he can keep dodging the question forever.

But we shall see.

I believe that a citizen army staffed heavily by middle class, upper middle class, and even rich conscripts would be the most effective deterrent to overseas militaristic adventurism, for the simple reason that the parents of the soldiery would be far more well informed and influential than currently obtains with the nearly entirely blue collar force of ECONOMIC conscripts who are volunteers only at the moment they are sworn in at the Federal Building housing the AFEES which processed them in . After all, once you've raised your right hand and the oath has been administered then you are no longer a volunteer since of course you're not permitted to change you mind and will not get out of your enlistment unless you are a good enough actor to convince the nice folks at boot camp that you should be processed out posthaste on an unsuitability discharge of some sort.

This is based upon the same principle as the French governments insistence that only foreigners may enlist in the French Foreign Legion, since of course French voters don't give a rat's ass about the foreign riffraff which is continually enlisting in the legion in order to avoid alimony and child support payments or worse. This is why the Foreign Legion is called the Foreign Legion. I know this to be true because I used to get drunk with them in the Vieux Port at Marseilles when my freighter was periodically anchored offshore there. The officers of course are French. The Foreign Legion is still an entire infantry division in the French army. Their training is so brutal that some don't even survive basic training.

In terms of our supposed need to be continually involved in the Gulf region nailing down our future oil supply as it were, let's just say that I'm not buying it. I don't think we need to be there which of course would indicate that it is possible to get leaders who are capable of staying out of that quagmire in the future.

Procon, I don't consider the SUSPS article anti-semitic. I don't know anything about the organization. If it is an anti-semitic group, then I'd change my mind because the article would be used to show how Jews are trying to ruin the country. But as a stand-alone article, there's no anti-semitism, IMO. BTW, your 3 points about Jews are probably pretty right on. Thank you for being reasonable.

Concerning population and immigration, you and Asoka are both right. Asoka is correct in that the total world's population doesn't change because of modern human migration patterns, but I believe, sadly, you are correct in that our current immigration policy is definitely detrimental to American citizens' well-being. I say sadly, because my father was an immigrant. But reality is what it is.

Let me be frank: I think you're a phony; I don't believe you. To me, you're the conniving coyote, ..

Cant speak for the others but I think even less of you!

['Let me be frank:'..How could you possibly be anything less?]

But at least that monster TK admitted he was very wrong, At the end of his life.
He also had a bill to give a 'pass' to any Chaldean in the world to move to the USA as a refuge.

"I will guarantee when he read your blunt smackdown his pulse raced and his face flushed"

Talk about:

"duplicitous"

Q == PoC.

I cannot believe how much discussion has degenerated in a mere day, since the original blog *poast*. Most everyone is so emotional and *singleton*...

Have ya considered starting a FB group for this bunch?

"Gordon Lightfoot"

Sometimes I think it's a shame/sin...

I couldn't ignore it any longer. Who is this mysterious "steve" who has boldly declared that "...we no longer believe in God...". Really? I'm pretty sure that would have made the front page of the LA Times. I'll bet that he was abducted by aliens and has recently been returned. How else could he miss the hijacking of the Republican party by godly zealots? As for that punishment thing, it almost sounds like "steve" is worried that there will be no qualified punishers now that God is out of the picture. Fear not, Steve. We have many expert S&M practitioners in LA (you may know it as the kingdoms of Sodom and Gomorrah) who will definitely tune you right the fuck up for a nominal service charge. So, ront (if that is your real name), where do I think I fit into all this? I'm a United Nations Observer.

In the 1990s he voted lock step with Clinton and the other far lefties for legal Infanticide.

403 ban...'too much text'
If you ignore it and try again..you may get a permanent ban.
JHK has only intentionally banned OEO/Fabe

I don't think that the Jews pull the strings, prog. I think that there is a ruling class, and they are pulling the strings, and that they will do anything, including murder, including mass murder, to keep their money and power. Nothing to do with Jews.

You have now made up two ridiculous arguments. Just made them up - and threw them out here.

'Fake' facebook pages
you know what I mean, Dont get smart.

But Beantown Bill is an asshole.

I thought of you y'day when I got my Haircut.
The lady with the scissors was Asian but I couldnt
of what country...
"I moved here from Mongolia!"
Even service jobs cant be saved.

any on youtube?

"You have now made up two ridiculous arguments. Just made them up - and threw them out here."
-wage-

Ok, wage, I'll admit that I made up the idea that "All conspiracy theories lead to 'The Jews.'"

But what is the second argument I made up?

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"But Beantown Bill is an asshole."
-wage-

First of all, I disagree, Wage. Bill of Boston seems like a very reasonable and honorable man.

Secondly, why does it matter if he is an "asshole*," if he speaks the truth?

*remember I prefer "jackass" to "asshole," but we should, perhaps, agree to agree that we need a set of insults that provides more clarity with fewer biological and sexual connotations, generally speaking.

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And you're parsing my words or something. I have always been ALL about giving the pre-'64 native born blacks a leg up, whether by AFDC, or Affirmative Action, or various other means.

But - the men and women who were impacted by pre-'64 discrimination are now heading into their retirements and Social Security years.

And 1,000,000 LEGAL immigrants continue to come into these United States every year.

Would this influx REALLY be sustainable and STILL ongoing - into a US and a World of Peak Everything - without AFDC, Section 8, etc, in the United States??

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And - Dadgumit, Wage, I sure would like to argue with you and your spouse in person. When's that dude getting out of prison, again?
(not your spouse - the concert guy)

"Why isn't asia chiming in"

Speaking of, what ever happened to that Bay Arian guy (CEO, $22 million/year revenues, ferraris and mcmansions out his wazoo)? I miss laughing at his poasts - I'm betting his LLC went bankrupt, and his leveraged ETF funds cratered...

ARYAN!!! Corexit!!!

I like how the all powerful Jews were victims of the worst genocide of all time. You'd think they would have pulled a few strings to put the kibosh on that one.

"I will guarantee when he read your blunt smackdown his pulse raced and his face flushed"

Talk about:

"duplicitous"

Q == PoC.
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In what way, Ix, is what I wrote duplicitous? See definition below. What I wrote is precisely the opposite (see antonyms below): candid, direct, honest, straightforward.

The sentence you excerpted from my reply to Buck was intended to highlight Prog's ultra-sensitivity to criticism (which I truly wish he would get over, which of course he can't and he won't because it's his nature).

du·plic·i·ty

deceitfulness in speech or conduct, as by speaking or acting in two different ways to different people concerning the same matter; double-dealing.

Synonyms: deceit, deception, dissimulation, fraud, guile, hypocrisy, trickery.

Antonyms: candidness, directness, honesty, straightforwardness.

Just a few suggestions. (I try to help.)

If you'd like your arguments to be taken even halfway seriously, I'd suggest substituting the proper term "Mexicans" for "wetbacks."

Using the latter in every single one of your posts on this topic makes you sound like a cranky, old, racist fuck stick (not saying you are but you quack like one sometimes).

Or have you thought about moving from SoCal? You're not exactly in the right part of the country (or the world for that matter) if you don't like these people.

"Cuz asia got hit with the ban stick and posts as anti soak."

Bling! Did you nail it? I think so, yet anti-soak seems to talk more coherently, like an english native, and not like an incoherent foreigner (asia).

I used to be able to nail those alias changes - alas, I'm getting *old*!

It's rare that a posting makes such an impression on me, but your's did. I'm not going to comment about it just now. You've actually made me THINK! (imagine that):)

Well, that would make sense, because their households tend to be 20-40 times as poor as white ones, on average (somewhere in there).

So....yeah.

But Beantown Bill is an asshole.
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What made you say that, Wage? Is this sarcasm that I'm not picking up?

"In what way, Ix, is what I wrote duplicitous?"

Babble on, sock-puppet. You can fool some of them with your multiple aliases, but you don't fool me.

"Given to or marked by deliberate deceptiveness in behavior or speech."

This exactly, precisely (I know... ad nauseum), describes your deceitful commentary (*MIND READER*).

I can tell it is asia by the weird spacing, (lack of) capitalization, and funky grammar.

"I can tell it is asia by the weird spacing, (lack of) capitalization, and funky grammar."

I think you're right. However, I could barely understand 5% of what asia used to say, and the "Q stats" (spelling/punctuation/grammar) were in the 20's. Anti-soak makes a lot more sense, at least 30-40% of the time, and the "Q stats" are more in the 60-70's...

Dear Penn St.

How does that taste?

The Vatican

It is really amazing to me that you can write all that stuff about alpha male behavior, and then turn around and say...

"In this case, the child had sexual feelings for him, normal for a boy his age, and what transpired was nothing less than the simple sexual exploration of a young boy."

You can't be serious. This guy's history was one of pushing (uh no pun intended) to see how far he could go, even when the kids clearly behaved like they wanted him to stop. For instance, he called one of the kids houses 40 or 50 times. He would put his hands in inappropriate places even if the kid squirmed or moved over or said no, repeatedly.

Clearly, having butt sex in the shower with a 10 year-old was a case of him doing the same. In no way should or could it be construed as consensual. There is no way that an adult male in a position of authority such as his can have a healthy, mutual sexual relationship with a child, who is supposedly under his care "in loco parentis". It wasn't the case in the Catholic Church with the priests and the altar boys and it wasn't here.

Unless I missed your point somehow...?

'Fake' facebook pages
you know what I mean, Dont get smart.
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Another cryptic post from the CFNer formerly known as Asia ...

Could this^ be a misdirected reply? 'cause I have NO idea what the hell you're talking about.

It looks like its curtains for the OWSER movement, being rousted by police as they are all over the United States.

The Tea Party changed American Politics for a time and affected the outcome of the 2010 elections.

Can anybody tell me what the Owsers have accomplished?

BustinJ, Ibendet?

--WSP7

Crimes have been committed at Penn state aided by denial, indifference, and a horrendous failure of leadership.
Meanwhile, the meat head tribals riot in vain, for they have lost their paterno-al father figure, and tribal elder, in the internationally irrelevant superfluous grid-iron world of America's cultural autism.

"I am a Christian"

R U serious? I'd have figured you to be too smart, to fall for such a copy-cat cult like that. Come on - majikal healing/water-to-wine/fish-bread exponential growth, the trinity, immaculate conception, 3 day resurrection? Sacrificial consumption of body/blood? That mystical tripe is over 7k years old, tired out, and complete fantasy...

I understand when children/teens get conned by religion, but not when it comes to intellectual adults.

However, I've also noticed your poasts are more tolerable recently - perhaps due to your faith? Weird catch-22 situation?!...

In response to your:

'Trouble is..how to hold such a conversation without giving up our respective anonymity.'
Make a page or group on facebook...

and yes prior to my '403' i was posting as asia..
here in Soviet Monika, we just had a 'Zero Waste event'!!!!!

規模の小さな住居空間を一つ気格栅だった

牛肉はどこにありますか。それこそが隣のはあなたは国連箱という悪ガキ!ウェブ携帯用プロパンガスは夏の庭を焼きが必要な連携性を、家族や友达です!私はひとつが小さく、よりコンパクトの買い物の際に、私が発見されたウェブを叫んでだった

比来家庭のマンションは打动して、私を抛却することのひとつとしては私の焼肉!よう要求したが、もう一つの大きなポーチです、それはもう一つの大きな自由を収容しやすい立っている电気コンロだったが、今私は全サイズの焼肉が通用しないのが私の小さなマンションのバルコニーからだ。

私の土曜日の午後になりたくない、一部のハンバーガーをつついてましたが、私のスリム化は俺の一番決定を選択できるようにした。委曲がどれほど簡単に使えるた后に、私は手を叫んで携帯用プロパンガス格栅ウェーバー、私はまだ掉望させなければならない!

射撃ウェーバー携帯用ガス焼き场だった

まず、照明私の新しいウェーバーは位置付けです!ウェブを叫んでボタン焚烧熱して出かける。(摘発大会で、3、4燃えていたが、やがてかすかにあなたの指を……いや、ありがとうございます!チューブ状ステンレスバーナー加热した刹时、まで私が発見された调剂可能バーナーバルブだった

焼肉とふたとも重鑄洞アルミ構造である一つの堅固なガラス増強ナイロンの枠組みだ。その広泛な立場を床に座ってやすいやテーブルの上に置いた。んじゃないかと思います、ウェブqスクロール発车しますグリルでは一基準の14 . 1または16 . 4オンスプロパン気筒(通俗です。しかし、私はもうあった)で、これまでに投資している側は极めてかつ効率的に運営の燃料耗损しなければならない。

ウェブを叫んでガス焼きます

私达が入りのもの、文字からします!私の最も好きな部门を叫んでプロパンバーベキュー?クッキングウェーバー炉モデリングによる名器!空からモデリングによる名器瓷巻線鋳造奇観!広々とした摒挡の概况(類似第190ペン資料インチ)大ほど簡単に約6つの1 / 3lb収容ハンバーガー、いかなるひっくり返して彼らは少し。

调度の炉排暑くなり、焼き1?25「马力目なのか、気になるのが完璧な!会いたい舌鼓を完成させた陶瓷器绝えず对峙して、いかなる不需要な油脂寄り付か懇意な楽、滴油皿ぐっすりと食物だ。

多く、キャリー?ウェブ(叫んで基準としている私のウェブを叫んでプロパン焼き、すべての完璧なバレル!うちにはうちの瞬間に…)私の独一の本当の届け出、もし君が料理の仲間が流れ出すに多く、バーナーの穴からの渋滞となった。私が见つかり拡大したピンのテクニックの平安に、同事务で、簡単な質問し、简単な解決策だ。無料メニューと懇意叫んで5年目にして、メンテナンスを受けられる

私が年夜の自由に立っている姿焼きで取引きされた物では私の机の上に、「温かい」仆のステーキ硬幸いにして、私は私の圧降下薬を得た最高のウェブを叫んで爆発!このライト級要衝地をたたいている私の靴下。

まあ、もっとすばらしい(かどうかはいつも?!)

叫んで携帯用プロパンガス格栅ウェーバーも一つのキャリー?ウェブqパワーに満ちていたと霊感のメニューを共同して!昨年と五年メンテナンスを撑持するには限界がある、近くの射中させます!(または私の环境の下で、6番階)がいます

ステーキ

The OWS have delivered a shot across the bow, which has forced the authorities to reveal their true fascist nature. Democracy is now officially dead, if it ever existed at all.

Maybe they made the $ and got the power once they had a homeland? since 1949?

Or have you thought about moving from SoCal? You're not exactly in the right part of the country (or the world for that matter) if you don't like these people.
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Well, if that's the case he'd better not come to New Brunswick, NJ either. I don't think there's a non-Mexican busboy within 25 miles of where I sit.

I am!

Germany was ruined after the reparations of WW1. Jews started buying up everything. They had even more ownership and power than they do in America now. Jews were coming in to get in on the party while ethnic Germans were impoverished. And the Jews still wonder what happened...

The Germans found out that International Jewry had made a deal with Britain that if they got America into the WW1, then Britain would give them their own State in Palestine. It's called the Balfour Declaration. Up to that time, German Jews had been either indifferent or on Germany's side during the war. After the Declaration, German Jews began a non stop campaign to demoralize and stop the wheels of industry. Massively over represented in Communism and Union Politics, they were able to make good their intentions. Thus the German Army was betrayed at home. The German People knew who was behind it, but they didn't know why...During the Versaille Conference, they found out. That didn't help German/Jew relations. The Germans began to think of Jews as a different Nation. Such a perception was natural - and correct.

Year before WW2 per se began, International Jewry declared war on Germany - and commenced an economic boycott. All this is easily checked. Yet in school we were only taught about the German boycot of Jewish shops. Why? Well because Jews already controlled America at the level of the Federal Reserve and Media.

Dont imagine you know about what happend - you don't unless you've sought out the Truth. I respect Bill and many other Jews. Yet I know that it's useless to debate this with them - their racial loyalty is beyond anything you can comprehend. Want to know something more? The Nazis were impressed and admired them for that.

Professor Kevin MacDonald of Berkeley is the great living White Nationalist authority on the Jews. You can imagine his daily life in the Psychology Dept of Berkley. Call it courage. Anyway, as a student he was involved in the Anti War Movement at the University of Wisconsin at Madison I believe. He was absolutely stunned and amazed to see his fellow pacifists do an absolute about face when it came to matters of Israeli politics and War for Israel. He had no idea what was going on. That started his quest to understand. He now knows that Jews propose one ideal for other People and quite another for themselves. Their ideal is "what's good for the Jews" and all Nations and Ideologies are seen in this light - and no other. Communism used to be their main vehicle but now Capitalism is. The United States is their Vehicle now but once ruined, they will go elsewhere and do the same to another Nation.

Jews can renounce all this btw. There may be a genetic component to their intense ethnic loyalty but it is not absolute. A small percentage of Jews do renounce their ethnic supremacism. The most common way this happens is conversion to Christianity. But it is not the only way.

I saw a great movie about the Jews made by a Jewish Israeli. He showed two Jewish couples after an evening at a political conference. In high spirits they described their loyalty to Israel as to a child and their loyalty to America as to a spouse. Perfect. As you know, people (usually women) throw their spouses under the bus every day for their children. And now, consider how our foreign policy is dominated by ethnic Jews with dual Israeli citizenship. We'd be thrilled with dual loyalty at this point.

We now know that acting civilised during an occupation will get you a lot of TV time. So, actors, have those 8 x 10 headshots at the ready.

Let turk keep his blinders on!
I suggested you check:
Crimesofthetimes/blog

GREAT NEW POST ON MEXICANIZATION OF CENTRAL STATES.

And Turk is so dense he cant tell that I use the 'W' word to bug him...
Hes chided me 2x on my use of it twice.

I'll be over later my little China girl. You love me time, Ok? And tell me all about Red China and its plans for Formosa.

I know a fellow who 7? years ago visited Long Island and was shocked at how many Central Americans were there.
And a liberal I know said the same thing...
but not as harshly.

"Another cryptic post"

KrypDiK poast, to U! I am Anti-Soak!!! My sock puppet has fooled you into believing the "TISOTGH video card solution"!

The after-effects will only affect you!!! Anyone game for *total douche-baggery*? Here's a taste:

"{met}"The only perfection you're capable of, Q, is in typing totally worthless drivel."

Keep working at it Obtuselah, you're showing signs of improvement. A few weeks ago you thought that word was dribble."

Talk about a complete and total (tool) worthless piece of meat. Q can't criticize someone's spelling/punctuation/grammar, so he makes up something that supposedly happened previously!!!

So F*'n sad Q - I feel for your ~$2k/month SS. I *DO*.

Thanks for mentioning Taki Mag.
I thought KMD was at LongBeach State.

If you look at the obituaries in LATimes theres
huge favoritism toward jews...
even a terrorist who got a loving sendoff!

KMD told me 'Its as if any Jew who dies gets a write up'.

Why dont you have yr own Blog?
Yr a veritable encyclopedia.

Turk ...If theres anything else I can do to bug you let me know.

"In what way, Ix, is what I wrote duplicitous?"

"Babble on, sock-puppet. You can fool some of them with your multiple aliases, but you don't fool me."
-Q to Ix, and Ix to Q-

====================
Q:
"Sit down, I've got some bad news, it's gonna' hurt"
-vicki lawrence, speaking Georgia truth to Q-

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IXNEI has evidence that you and I are the same poster, and therefore, the same person, Q.

What if he's right?
Wouldn't that be creepy.
Who's the alpha male now?

In other words he, Uh disagrees with you?
An a'hole is someone who doesnt see eye to eye
with those in the movement at the ramparts?

"I am!"

I'm ASS-U-ME'ing as Anti-Soak! And *NOT* as Bay Aryan.

Your English is improving. And, your ideas as well (prolly due to the same English language reason). I used to ignore you, as you made no sense to me, and often rubbed me the wrong way. Hah! Don't rub me wrong any more!!! Rub me *RIGHT*!!!

Often I reply to others posts so you have to 'go upstream' to get the flow of the conversation.

Just a thought, shouldn't it be "burst out laughing"? Of course, "busted" has always been slang, so wtf? I was taught not to use that word in the past tense by the best child abusers money could buy...Catholic nuns! LOL! :)

It's all very painful since the Church has betrayed the White Race and Western Culture. All it's propaganda is replete with Black and Brown kids. Poverty kiddie porn.

Just because I believe in Christ, doesn't mean I don't believe in Buddha. This in itself calls for a certain discretion in my discussion with other Christians. Duplicity isn't good for the Soul and it's very painful - but what can I do? I believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eurcharest. Did I say believe - no, I experience it.

So how do I begin to resolve this? I think Christ himself would not (and does not) condemn me for it. He was not just Love but also Wisdom. He knew that we were now in the last period before the End of this Age. The great Wisdom of the Ancients was destined to be eclipsed in favor of intense emotion. This has lead to great narrowness and fanaticism. But it's natural for men of this age - and one works with what one has.

"You love me time"

You love me *LONG* time - hahaha, that spammer is back, in full *fleece* force...

Vlad, what was the reason for the germans fighting in WWI?

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You've met him? In which case, you may have more current information than I. Last I heard he was at Berkeley and he was being threatened by Heidi Beirich of the ADL. The ADL consider themselves the moral paragons of America. And "Our" goverment allows them to instruct police Departments etc.

He's quite prolific and I haven't read all his books and articles. Also he never descends to gutter level White Nationalism and obviously respects the Jewish Achievment. But he simply says that if it goes much further, it means the end of the West. This gifted, amazing People are utterly opposed to White, Western Civilization. And then intend to bring us down and replace us with Others - a Hispanic labor force, an Asian Technical sector, and a Judeo Masonic Business and Political Elite.

The smart Jews know that they aren't racially pure and are willing to mix with rich Whites with money, influence, and a history of achievement. This has always been a big part of their sucess. As long as the Whites have renounced their religion and loyalty to their Culture and Race - it's no problema.

"Amerikkka, the land of sanctimonious thieving fascist scumfucks."

I'm rubber you're glue!

What? No yellow ribbon?

Wow didn't anyone see the Packers smash the Vikings Monday night? What a game! Go Green Bay!

Football is the last refuge of the medium of TV that hasn't become totally perverse or politically correct, and I'd rather watch it than listen to moronic canned laughter or politicians lie every time they open their mouth.

Rome is already burning, so you might as well enjoy the games. What else are we going to do?

Why did the British fight WW1? Why did anyone? It was madness from A to Z. Britain should have stayed the fuck out of it even if Germany was stupid enough to jump in. If memory serves, the Jew Princip, a member of a secret Serbian Society called "The Black Hand" shot the Austro Hungarian Arch Duke Ferdinand.

One of the few sane men was the Russian Mystic Rasputin who told the Czar that the whole Balkans weren't worth the life of one Russian Soldier. The great English Rationalist Bertrand Russell gave similar counsel to the British Elite.

because their households tend to be 20-40 times as poor as white ones
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Turk, I have an arithmetic exercise for you. Let's assume the only data point in determining poverty is household income and the poor whites you speak of have income of $25K/yr. Assume further that the borderline between "poor" and "not poor" is an income of $35K/yr. Finally let's assume your "20-40 times as poor as white ones" is a good range estimate and that for ease of calculation we'll split the difference and use 30 times as poor.

So, if the black households are 30 times as poor as the white households how much is the household income of the blacks?

I invite calculations from any other interested readers as well.

No, last I checked, Belgium Luxembourg and France were not part of Serbia or the Balkans. And the Austro Hungarian Arch Duke Ferdinand certainly wasn't worth the huge economic capital spent and millions of Germans sacrificed.

Think a little harder.

I love the way Jerry repeated the question back to the interogator. And the way he lisped when he said the word "leg". The man is in denial. Leave him alone! He enjoyed the presence of young people. Is that a crime? Bustin says No Way.

Years ago I read an article in the Anarchist's Journal - a journal of desire armed. The article was full of stories about children recalling their postive experiences with pedophilia. Is it possible? Yes. Probable? No. Most cases are going to be very bad in their effect. I wish I had been "abused" by a grown woman in my teens. That would have been good for me. But not by an Aunt who wanted "help" when I was a little boy.

And of course girls are different - getting it from a male teacher is much more serious than a boy getting some from female teacher. Could it be alright for them? Maybe, but probably not. The Laws are for the best. It's the best we can do. Some degree of paternalism is inevitable and necessary. But no individual is required to let such laws distort their own experience or desire.

"In any case 47 million people including criminals, wetbacks and anchor babes are on food stamps."
I'll bite, For starters do not Ass.u.m.e. anything. This equation makes no sense to me. Is there a solution Q?

"You asked me about the $ 1.4 quadrillion number."

And here I thought it was only $0.3-0.6 quadrillion!!!

I started thinking about the "banks loaning to other banks," and did a little mind-experiment, assuming minimal 8x leveraging, and offshore banks that can go bankrupt immediately. I thought it would be like a GDP multiplier - but it's much worse:

Piddly 8x leverage on offshore default banks, bank (margin?) loans to banks (assume bank x starts by loaning a mere $10k):
$10k bank x -> $10k bank 1 investment
$10k bank 1 -> $70k loan to bank x, $10k loan to bank 2
$10k bank 2 -> $70k loan to bank x, $10k loan to bank 3
$10k bank 3 -> $70k loan to bank x, $10k loan to bank 4...
infinite "skimming" loop (even better than a pyramid scheme, or a GDP multiplier), limited only by number of "bogus" banks...

Amazing, 8x leveraging and only 3 extra banks results in $10k turning into $210k, *instantly* returned to bank x.

Bankruptcy can only go after the bank's current assets ($10k), and what is owed to them (offshore limitations)?

Legitimate banks can merely account for those debts as toxic assets, and keep them off the balance sheet indefinitely - thus allowing indefinite 8x leveraged loans - GAAP no more!

Yet, these bastards are still leveraging 30x to 100x!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I didn't say anything about those countries. And I'm not approving of the way any of them acted. The alliances were the anchors that sank their ships of state. The Balkans wanted out and should have been allowed out. The Russian ambasador came back from a trip to the Austro-Hungarian Empire and reported to the Czar, "We are allied to a corpse". The young Adolf Hitler was shocked at the ethnic hatred of the Slavs towards the Germanic Empire. And this too lead to tragedy later in WW2. The Germans were often greeted as liberators from the Russian Communist Yoke - until the next day. See? I criticize the Fuhrer or furor or furry or furhor. I am not a Naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews. Just a God Fearing White Man who believes in Truth, Justice, and the Fascist Way.

As you know, virtually all comics were the Jewish creations and are in fact golems for the Jewish Nation - which is a Nation Without Borders. Did I make that one up? Now Herzl and Weinstein said so themselves.

"....there's no anti-semitism, IMO. BTW, your 3 points about Jews are probably pretty right on. Thank you for being reasonable.
-btb-

Thanks, bill - reasonableness is in short supply in today's United States, it sometimes appears. I appreciate you "having my back," in that regard - on CFN, metaphorically speaking.

"Concerning population and immigration, you and Asoka are both right. Asoka is correct in that the total world's population doesn't change because of modern human migration patterns, but I believe, sadly, you are correct in that our current immigration policy is definitely detrimental to American citizens' well-being. I say sadly, because my father was an immigrant. But reality is what it is."
-btb-

You're right, Bill - but take it one step further.
You say, "our current immigration policy is definitely detrimental to American citizens' well-being."

Because our current immigration policy is detrimental to the WHOLE WORLD.

1. We damage the countries from which the "best and brightest" immigrate to the US.

2. We damage our own, native born, blacks, browns, and whites - with this immigrant influx.

3. We damage - the entire planet - with our 25% consumption of Planetary resources. (Which is a rate of ABSOLUTE consumption that only goes UP - as US population goes up.)

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We've got to try to stop the madness.

"I believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eurcharest. Did I say believe - no, I experience it."

I'll leave the spelling issues to "Q". As to your poast, does *GHAD* speak to you? It would seem so, as you claim to *experience* it...

I'd call that the first sign of psychosis/schizophrenia. Maybe that's just me, tho...

If *GHAD* just makes you *tingle* inside, rather than sending you direct *thoughts*, let me know - however, I find they're both symptoms of the same root cause (psychosis/schizophrenia).

No, you didn't say anything about those countries. I was the one who brought it up, because you didn't.

You still didn't answer my question. What were the Germans doing in Belgium Luxembourg and France, or the Austrians in Serbia?

Vlad, I usually demur to jump into the middle of the pissing contests that the threads on this blog have become, but I have to put in here.

OF COURSE women will "throw their spouses under the bus" for the sake of their children.

At least I hope. Once a woman becomes a mother, she cares more about her kids than she cares about anyone in the world, and everything becomes subordinate to ensuring their welfare. That is only right and proper, because a human child is very helpless and there is no one else who will give him the nurturing and protection he requires to make it to adulthood as a functional human being. If Mom won't put in the 24 hour a day effort, who will?

The purpose of marriage is to provide a safe haven for children by providing two parents for them. If one parent is a danger to the kids, he (or, many times, she) has to go, that's all there is to it.

Unfortunately, we see too many women who will sacrifice their kids for a boyfriend or husband- witness the child abuse attributed to step-fathers, who have no stake in the kids and no reason to care about them, and who usually resent having to contribute to the support and daily care of another guy's offspring.

"Nothing I would like more than to collect RipT and Ozone for a road trip south to Georgia ... meet up with you and Tripp, maybe walk the Resaca battlefield, crack open a few icy Pabst longnecks on a hot Dixie afternoon....... talking about shit like we do here, but in person, the old school way." -WSP-

Those are some beautiful sentiments, Marlin/WSP.
And can I go ahead and invite BeanTownBill for our roadtrip?

Now - - - all we need is somebody to keep us from hitting each other in the head with empty longneck bottles - when the discussion gets a little contentious.
(you and me over immigration. ozone and me over sky gods. tripp and me over mule pasture and sky gods. Whoa-I'm feeling a little outnumbered, here!) hahahoho!

Any takers for peacemakers and referees?

I wouldn't mind seeing Jeffrey Dahmer the musical. So I have a taste for the absurd and the macabre. Does that make me a bad person?

Great post Jim. I also found the pregame prayer to be a bullshit let us feel better about this mess than any show of genuine shame or reflection. I went to West Virginia which is a big football worshiping public school. I can say without hesitation that had the same thing happened at WVU, the games would have gone on, everyone would have tailgated and cheered on the home team like nothing ever happened. "Donations" to college athletic depts are tax deductible same as if you gave money to a food bank or homeless shelter - that tells us everything we need to know about our priorities as a people.

I have this douchebag step-brother-in-law, a biker (the real deal, total scoot-trash) who has been out of work for 5 years. He sent my step-sister, the totally hot biker-fucking dumb slut, from Vegas to Az to buy some kind of nigger-killing ammo because he thinks the OWS folks are going to riot, sparking some kind of helter-skelter pockyclipse that will require his participation out in the Mormon-crusted hinterlands of Sodom.

The fucking guy is/was in the construction business. He has been profoundly screwed by the 1% and should be with the 99ers every fucking day and night. But, like way too many of our fellow creatures, he is in thrall to the illusion of our former Aryan perfection, and thinks (feels) that the only way forward is to kill our way back to a past that never was.

God- who does not exist- bless America- which never did.

Fuck me runnin'. I just bought some guns online. Cuz whatever. I'm a biker too, but mine has pedals.

I believe in the Real Presence of Christ in ... Eurcharest.
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Christ was in ROMANIA!??

Oh wait a minute ... that was Buchar..

Nehh verr mind.

Sheck, I laughed my ass off at your post from start to finish. All I could think was what an amazingly diverse bunch this site draws.

I don't know either Q, let me think about it. It sounds you want a mural of some sort or another, perhaps for your den. Let me guess: a tromp l'oeil peeking into the Stagecoach dressing room set of Ann Margaret?

"Christ"

Thou art'est mega-douche.

Enjoy that $2k/year SS. You'll need it. I can only imagine you floundering those 3 weeks you were banned from poasting here - you leveraged ETF scoundrel.

LOL $20K/year - ***MY BAD***

"Sheck, I laughed my ass off at you"

That's all you do, you unoriginal thought, $2k/month SS *HAWK*. That and spelling/punctuation/grammar. Worthless, you provide nothing but self-gratification. Your insults to others are but grazing. They serve no purpose but to inflate your beak.

Have a nice day, Mr Insult.

As much as I dig this corner of the internet and all the kick ass people who post here -- I have one minor grudge. Namely, I can't stand the little bits of ass kissing: "Great word Mr. Kunstler." or "Great article Mr. Kunstler." Half the time people mean it. But I'm certain we have some late in life brown-nosers in the house. Maybe I'm projecting old baggage. It's just a thought. BTW I thought this critique of a slightly taboo subject by JHK this week kicked ass. I can say that because I mean it.

You must continue to drive your two-ton death-metal coffins!!! The Amerikan way! Who gives a sh!t about the 0.4% CO2 atmosphere, boiling off into deep space!!!

I like your point. But it becomes a necessary defense to cover the coverage.

Widespreadpanic7 said: "It looks like its curtains for the OWSER movement, being rousted by police as they are all over the United States."

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You are kidding, right?

The protestors are already returning. The movement is only two months old. Occupy Wall Street will go on for years.

The police actions are guaranteed to strengthen the movement and force it to grow. It is not march on Wall Street, it is not rally on Wall Street. It is occupy Wall Street. Police repression only makes the movement stronger.

It has always been that way. In the union movement, in the free speech movement (Mario Savio), in the civil rights movment, in the anti-war movement. Cracking heads, driving people out, does not end anything. The movement will continue for years until the economic inequality in the USA is redressed and those who have stolen money are punished.

First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. It has always been that way in long term nonviolent struggle.

You notice the press is no longer talking with a smirk on their faces about bongo drums. Thanks to OWS the national discussion has changed, the income gap is politically relevant, and the voice of the 99% is being heard.

As soon as someone from a public health department finds people with viral pneumonia in a camp, that camp is done. You can always start again in the spring.

Speaking of OWS... when have you ever heard of a movement that made one of its first priorities establishing a library?

OWS established a Peoples' Library of over 5,000 books.

The police came along and checked out all 5,000 books at once, including reference books... a no-no.

Fortunately, the OWS librarians had meticulously cataloged all 5,554 books online... and you can see the titles at:

http://www.librarything.com/profile/OWSLibrary

The human spirit cannot be defeated by SWAT teams who send war veterans, journalists, etc. to the hospital after police beatings.

Enjoy! The library books may yet be recovered after the police finish reading them.

I think I have inadvertently mislead you. The art project is for ME to do but I have poor color vision and need a way to come up with numerous paint color mixtures on a fairly grand scale, like the side of a 3 story building or the concrete face of an arched bridge.

I envision this could be done in a way like a computer printer has 3 or 4 color cartridges and precisely sprays them out to create a hundred thousand shades of color.

I am not a creative artist but nearly 50 years ago I figured ways of capturing a scene or a face in sort of a mechanical way that made people think I had artistic talent. The project I'm mulling would not be merely the painting but capturing the process by time lapse photography as the painting unfolds.

My problem is in coming up with the colors. I am a laughing stock in the family when I can't tell grey from green from brown. Officially (Air Force color test) I am red-green color blind.

Any ideas?

Sounds pretty cool, Q. You might have a patentable process. You might want to investigate that before you discuss it any further here.

You know, how to react to your statement is hard for me to decide. If I respond to you through retort online, I come across as defensive, and if I don't reply, I come across as weak and scared. What to do? What to do?

After thinking about it, since I'm faced with a Hobson's choice (where I can't win no matter what), I've decided to reply because your opinion of me deserves a reply.

As I've said before, I believe you can't stand it when someone disagrees with you. You have a very socialist mindset. I don't have a specific mindset myself, except - the word Vlad used to describe Bertrand Russell - to be a rationalist. If a specific socialist viewpoint is rational, then I'll go along with it; if a specific conservative viewpoint is rational, I'll go along with that. So I'm going to disagree with a lot of what you say, just like I do with other people.

You talk about fairness and what is right, a lot, but when someone has a different opinion you strike back. Resorting to name calling regarding a specific individual because he thinks differently than you is usually the product of either a small mind or emotional immaturity. I think - or at least I hope - you can do better than that.

Women routinely attempt to deny their ex-husbands any access to the children. They belong to her you see. But a single mother's house hold is very dangerous for children. Levels of abuse by the mother skyrocket. And then there are the boyfriends. To get totall access, woman will slander their ex's with charges of abuse and pedophillia. I'm with "Jim" - women are not moral creatures.

Mike Hunt, I second your review of that Wolfe book. I would also throw in that Wolfe is overrated in general. But IASS is unbelievably bad, pure drivel -- and for 600 pages!

DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan — Pakistani intelligence officials say suspected U.S. drone-fired missiles have killed another 13 human beings.

Imagine a foreign power with drones lobbing bombs into our country, into our cities, into your neighborhood, killing people at our wedding parties, etc.

I'm pretty sure that we would be terrified at that death coming out of the sky... and angry and we would want revenge.

We Americans are the TERRORISTS in Pakistan. And we have angered millions of people. And we will pay.

OBAMA IS A WAR CRIMINAL AND SHOULD BE PROSECUTED FOR THESE DRONE BOMB STRIKES INSIDE OTHER SOVEREIGN COUNTRIES THAT REGULARLY KILL HUMAN BEINGS. THE CIA BLACK BUDGET SHOULD BE ABOLISHED.

"The police came along and checked out all 5,000 books at once, including reference books... a no-no."

I heard it was a book burning, ala centuries bygone...

Burn that info - best to be on top of that, right? Hehehe!!! I heard about that almost 24 hours ago - "Soker", you're *SLOW*. Maybe you were 403...

Damn, no spelling mistakes? Nothing concerning Vlad or Shecky?

WTF, you are red and green color blind, yet an artist wannabe?

OK, F* U troll. I hope they help you - I certainly wont. GL with your *newscape*...

"OBAMA IS A WAR CRIMINAL AND SHOULD BE PROSECUTED FOR THESE DRONE BOMB STRIKES" - Asoka
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"...but I like him 'as a person'" - Asoka ;-) ;-)

the game's ersatz heroics

Thank you.

I've often thought that the cure for American football mania would be to draft these guys into the army. Send them on patrol in Afghanistan and see which ones shit themselves. And some nice close-ups when they sustain injuries their million-dollar sports physicians can't fix (kind of like a lot of the guys who have been coming home from overseas the last ten years).

Be sure to get it on video, of course. A useful corrective to all of the Superbowl highlights video we non-fans of this idiotic game have been forced to watch over the years.

(Hell, that's a reality show I'd watch!)

Q,

You didn't mislead me; I was just horsing around.

There have been some great painters who are compromised in terms of discerning color. The key, or so I believe, is they use this deficit as an advantage. What I mean by that is color, especially of the highly saturated variety, can make it very difficult to read value(the general tone/light/darkness of a color). The reason being is that a highly saturated color, even if low in value(more on the dark side)can read as inherently light.

It sounds like you're doing some representational images. If the value is correct, you can use almost any color you want and the image will read as believable . If your values are off even the greatest color choices will not read as believable. Value is King; Color only stains the surface of a value. Of course, a dyed in the wool colorist such as those from the Cape Cod school( Hawthorne, Hensche) will assert that if the color is correct the value will automatically be right.

High level sources reveal the OWS is ACORN reborn via the New York Committees for Change. It's an Obama front bankrolled by the usual suspects, Soros etc.

Are you allowed to drive? You are an atavism. Future more evolved humans will see even further into the ultraviolet than we can now. There are whole new colors to be seen. You are stuck in the utlrared lower vibrations.


Asoka said:
We Americans are the TERRORISTS in Pakistan. And we have angered millions of people. And we will pay.

OBAMA IS A WAR CRIMINAL AND SHOULD BE PROSECUTED FOR THESE DRONE BOMB STRIKES INSIDE OTHER SOVEREIGN COUNTRIES THAT REGULARLY KILL HUMAN BEINGS. THE CIA BLACK BUDGET SHOULD BE ABOLISHED.
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I absolutely agree. We are THE nation of the "double standard" in the entire world. We speak of the "just rights of the people" and all that happy horseshit yet we are allies with heinous regimes (Saudi Arabia) and use MANY sovereign territories as "testing grounds" for our bombing sorties ... many WITH pilots like the Libya action. We expect the citizens of these sovereign nations to regard "accidental" deaths as "friendly fire" in the service of their "aspirations".

And who, in Congress, would be the ONLY guy who'd go along with prosecuting Obama for war crimes?? Kucinich. That's it.

That's why I agree with JHK's clincher sentence for the entire missive this week: "Every new day that dawns lately gives further proof that we are a wicked people who deserve to be punished." We wag our moralistic fingers at so many other nations and, much of the time their "crimes" are simply the audacity to usurp RIGHTS we give ourselves and deny other nations because they are all allegedly "crazier". How much crazier than out-of-control imperialism and war-mongering can a nation get ... and we are "all that".


E.


I go one step further than JHK in regards to the Penn State fiasco. If the President of the University has to resign because of moral inaction and some of the people from McQueary on up stand to be brought up on criminal negligence charges, how does PATERNO get a pass on this??

How does Paterno let Sandusky continue to occupy the Penn State locker room for even ONE MORE MINUTE after he gets McQueary's report, let alone the YEARS until 2005 that Sandusky was allowed to roam around the PSU football locker rooms?

You can bet your bottom dollar that Paterno's defense is that he did not "understand" the gravitas of McQueary's message. Try figuring out how a report of sodomy of a pre-pubescent boy can get "misunderstood" ... and then IGNORED for years except for a "cover your ass" passing of the message to the Athletic Director.

It is my earnest hope that one result of this PSU affair is that we stop making game players be more important than people who do TRULY USEFUL things in our culture. To me, a shortstop for the Phillies should get a salary in line with a JANITOR. Sport in America is just an extension of the cult of celebrity of Hollywood. Except, unlike actors and actresses, most of whom hardly make ends meet if they are third or fourth-tier, a 3rd string shortstop in Major League Baseball will make one million per year. The minimum freaking wage in baseball is north of $400K!!!!!

I stopped attending all pro sports venues when I was around 30 and I don't intend to break my streak. They're just entertainers but nowadays there are TOO MANY TEAMS so the talent dilution is horrible. I hope the NBA just disappears for good. The NFL is a concussion-fest with steroid-addled 330 pound "average" linemen. The NHL is not exactly full of Red Army teams. Now the offense is 80-90% "dump and chase". Give me those old Soviet teams with their amazing interior passing any day over these NHL teams, half of which are GOONS. Yet you see grown men routinely wearing some douchebag's jersey from the Eagles
(or whomever). Adolescence in America now goes all the way to death. "Seventy is the new forty". Duh, right.


E.

Sorry, I meant assets, Q. That many times more assets, not income. My bad. Mistyped.

Hi, Q.

Take a look at "Figure 3: Income and wealth by race in the U.S." in the following link.

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

This graph shows that...

Median household net worth of white families is 15 times that of black ones, including house value.

Median household net worth of white families, not including house value, is 100 times that of the black households.

Median household income of black families is about 60% that of the white ones.

So, I guess it depends on how you measure things, but in terms of assets, white households are far more wealthy than black ones. On income, the disparity is large but not like the orders of magnitude difference on assets. Black households, judging by the median assets, are quite poor.

Anyways, just some food for thought. I'd be curious to see what you thought of that article, as it is packed with data analysis on American household wealth, and being an (ex)accountant, you might find it interesting.

Here's the problem. Which country will be the first to disarm, to stop collecting intelligence, to stop training a military for "that day", to let go the sins of the past in the hope of never repeating them in the future. Most of this world's societies are probably never going to come to terms with materialism and resource depletion. I believe that we're either all going to do it at once or we're never going to do it. Looks like containment and negotiation are the best we've got.

Would you please provide a reference for this story?
I've found headlines that were close but not quite what you posted.

Never mind. The Washington Post says 16.

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Crude oil has breached $100 per barrel once again.

(which trumps in importance any of the esoteric political BS postulated here on CFN, specially my own)

Can there be any kind of 'recovery', in the conventional sense, with oil prices that high?.

And to me it is not at all clear why prices are that high. Maybe just supply-demand fundamentals?


--WSP7

The shop I work in is owned by a Greek guy who lives in Athens. The senior barber there is a Greek immigrant as well. If not for those two guys I wouldn't have a job, so immigration isn't all bad then, is it? And remember that you didn't fly to Mongolia yourself to get a haircut at the prevailing rate in that country but paid whatever she charged you here, which could have been quite steep if you got the haircut in a salon. In a hair shop the word is "shears" just like in shearing sheep. Except that sheep are now sheared using electric clippers. I'll get worried when everyone starts flying to third world countries to get their hair cut for a dollar or whatever it is that they charge over there. My only criticism of immigrant barbers is that they tend to set overly long hours and also charge too little for their services, apparently believing that this is an unbeatable formula. Then when they're still not busy continually they can't admit that perhaps the economy just sucks today, or that the old neighborhood is going to shit, as indeed many old neighborhoods typically are. We also get many customers who are immigrants, so it's hard to see a problem with immigration on that score either. Of course millions of immigrants on a national level translates into more sewage getting washed into our water supply every time the sewers overflow during a rain storm. Immigrants can depress wages perhaps because they typically try to undercut the prices of the more comfortable native born operators who are typically in more upscale neighborhoods. Then we get these fanatical cheapskates who will drive thirty miles to save six dollars on a haircut. They will justify this idiocy by telling themselves that only the elderly Greek immigrant knows how to cut hair, but then they order a butch done with a #2 clipper blade all over which is an unskilled haircut they could've gotten for even less at the barber college downtown. People are idiots and overwhelmingly, not occasionally either.

hmm perhaps we could contrive some esoteric political bullshit surrounding the speculations market, or throughout our government apparati (Q-check?), especially the dept of energy...or maybe it s just that 'they' have the supply, while 'we' have the demand...

wait, wait...there you go, wsp: a perfect chance for EPBS right there: demand- why the demand for fossil fuel? answer: infrastructure that is already in place...why not a significant demand for ALL the alternatives? answer: infrastructure that is not already in place- expensive, and inconvenient to remedy...you got 2% on this one?

CFT, Alternatives? You mean Solar Panels manufactured by Solyndra? Even with huge subsidies all these 'alternative' energy producers seem to go bankrupt. One point Jim makes clear in TLE is that there is no real replacement for petroleum.

--WSP7

Actually I would like to see a few trained Geologists commenting here on the real situation with oil. I read the WSJ, NYT, London Financial Time, IBD almost every day; they all present different opinions on how much oil is left, peak oil, fracking, Canadian tar sands etc. For an interested layman like myself its hard to tell what the truth is. Right now T Boone Pickens in on CNBC sounding the alarm about impending Saudi Collapse.

--WSP7

Solyndra was a fraud from day one. But so is oil with its trillion dollar a year subsidy. Solar is the future. Solar will overtake oil even though the oil industry receives a trillion dollar in subsidy every year!

Solar is just more BS. Where I live its cloudy half the year. Its oil or nothing and it looks like its going to be nothing.

--WSP7

Wait, Metusaleh! Didn't you say you are in Israel? That is a pretty sunny place and Solar might work over there. Not here, tho. Incidentally, are you guys getting ready to strike at Iran? Godspeed to you!

--WSP7

You have HUGE swaths of land with HUGE potential for solar. As for Iran, I very much doubt that even that despicable CIA stooge Bozo Netanyahu is stupid enough to go along with the Yankee Roman Imperialists in attacking Iran. He would literally be lynched for that. You want Iran's oil, go get it yourselves. I hope you go bankrupt in the process of trying.

actually i meant basic, "on the ground" methods of harvesting the vast networks of "natural", and "free" energy that are here and waiting, already...maybe in the hopes of weaning ourselves (humans) off of 'easy oil', if not only teach our next generation ways to ease the transition in the years to come...

Mac Cain is typical of the !%. He did serve and deserves credit for losing a Navy fighter plane costing the taxpayers bucu $. However since he got back he has milked Uncle Sugar for much more then the cost of an A-4. His calous attitude toward veterans benefits is bs. He get's his for life because he is an elected offal. All of these people should be placed on the same Medicare that I'm on, just to give them a true view of things.

I think the gooks beat his ass 1 time toooo many !

RON PAUL looks like the best pick for 2012. The fact that he is running up there within a few points of the so called front runners should say something positive. Just think where he could be if he were championed by the media. Just watch his momentum grow and the weasels in the main party squirm. No positive media coverage and he is still a player. He makes a lot of sense on most of what is on his platform. AUDIT THE FED ? What a novel idea. We deserve to know where the money is going or has gone.

They have accomplished basically nothing other than the fact that they seem to be about as filthy and lazy as the hippies of the Vietnam era. That, and the fact that I'd hate to have them watching my back when the shit hits the fan. By that I mean I don't think many of them own, or know how to handle, a firearm. This peaceful shit ain't gonna get it done.

It was the # 1 pick....ahead of Muffin Patch or Linda Lovelace Hole.

F**K PEDO STATE !

GO BLUE !

I agree, totally.

The top 1% definitely need to give some back. On the other end, you will never be able to raise the wealth of the bottom if you keep adding a million or so a year with no assets.

.....look at that little monkey go!

One point Jim makes clear in TLE is that there is no real replacement for petroleum.
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...and of course, there is just no questioning the notion that JHK is a statistical wizard with a comprehensive understanding of the petroleum markets and extraction technology.

Funny how people making $85,000 a year think they are 1%ers. The dummies vote Republican because they think a $500 tax break is enough to sell their souls.

JUST IMAGINE WHERE HE'D BEE IN THE POLLS IF THEY WOULD GIVE HIM SOME FAIR PLAY AND AIRTIME ?

Dr Paul isn't part of the club and way not on board with "The Plan". He is the true "anti" mainstream estalishment candidate who despite being ignored by ALL the media is going to be a serious player. He has a very simple and practicable outlook.

I look for him to go 3rd party.

Mac Cain is typical of the !%. He did serve and deserves credit for losing a Navy fighter plane costing the taxpayers bucu $.

McCain lost more than one Navy fighter plane according to newly released Navy records of investigations into McCain's shenanigans.

The Navy investigation says McCain did lose two Navy aircraft while piloting them. One crash was found to be be McCain's fault, the other due to an engine failure of undetermined cause. A third was destroyed on the deck of the carrier USS Forrestal when a missile fired accidentally from another plane hit either the plane next to McCain's or, less likely, his own aircraft, triggering a disastrous fire that killed 134 sailors and nearly killed McCain. A fourth plane was lost when he was shot down over North Vietnam on a bombing mission over Hanoi.

A fifth alleged "crash" turns out to be a misinterpretation of a flight accident that did not result in the loss of the aircraft. McCain admitted to causing that incident through "daredevil clowning" but returned safely.

One more comment pertaining to color which I was too tired to make last night. Arbitrarily placed color can be extraordinarily beautiful. But color put down logically can be just as beautiful. For example, the color temperature in the shadow region of the eye socket will generally read "warmer" than the shadow side of a nose. The reason being is the eye socket will not receive as much bluish reflected light from the sky. Whereas, the shadow side of the nose, protruding out from the face presents more opportunity for sky reflections to mix with the fleshy tints creating some beautiful purplish (blue sky reflections mixing with red, red orange flesh tones).

The same principle applies in landscape painting. A cast shadow will generally be darker and warmer at the base of a tree than farther away from the tree where sky reflections have more opportunity to mix with the ground plane shadow. Similarly, a front lit tree might read as more yellow influenced on its face, and then orange.For a long time I could never figure out why a certain great painter placed a red brush stroke right at the edge of tree leading into shadow. Until I figured out that color close to the sun is the most yellow. Yellow is the first color to drop away as form moves away from the sun and red fills the void. So as a form turns away from sunlight, the yellow facing the light turns to more orange as yellow drops out and red enters the pic. As more yellow drops out it reads more as a singular red.

Many people believe red is the warmest color, when actually yellow is the warmest. Fear, doubt, hesitation, negativity are bathed yellow in the crucible of Lucifer.

Ya Dale, I'd say Jim has a pretty good handle on what's up in the oil industry. He's not a geologist, I realize that. But he is a gifted writer who's done a ton of research and is able to present and clarify a complex subject so dopes like me can make sense of it.

--WSP7

LOL!

Of course, since JHK wrote TLE the price of solar energy has gone down and the efficiency of panels has gone up.

Soon solar costs per watt of energy produced will be cheaper than coal or oil or natural gas.

Solar power continues to grow by over 30 percent annually. Solar panels cost 100 times less than in the 1970s. Solar is clean, often generated at or near where electricity is needed, and not at the mercy of fluctuating coal or uranium prices.

Solar is zero-emission. Solar is getting cheaper. Solar is sustainable. Solar is the future.

Absolutely not. And it was the problem before the bank scandals drew all the intention. Numbers up = oil up, oil up = numbers down, numbers down = oil down, oil down = numbers up, numbers up = oil up, oil up = numbers down.........................meanwhile the computer controlled programs continue to funnel the remaining wealth to the rich one penny per nano-second.

I look for him to go 3rd party.

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I hope so.

Ron Paul has no credibility as a life-long Republican politician.

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http://www.jillstein.org/

Also, the prices are high because 80% of the oil futures are held by speculators. They will never take delivery of the oil. Again, the rich get richer.

Maxx, did you see the talking head on MSNBC blasting Cain for his "lack" of expirence ? And this would've been considered "racist" back when everyone was slobbering over the Kenyan community organizer with 160 days of Senate expirence but virtualy no real job expirence and his life records deemed unquestionable and locked away from anyone who might care.

It's all good ! Right Jim ?

Wow! I think I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than flying with McCain.

For those of you who think Ron Paul is some kind of maverick or savior or independent, you are sorely mistaken.

Out of 841 votes taken, Ron Paul has voted with the Republican Party 73% of the time.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/p000583/

Ron Paul's voting record is a matter of public record. He cannot deny his own actions. People want to paint him like someone concerned about big issues.

The reality is Ron Paul voted for cutting funding of National Public Radio ($5 million dollars) and voted against cutting the federal debt by at least $2.1 TRILLION dollars over the next 10 years.

Ron Paul has fucked up priorities due to his foolish consistency.

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Ron Paul has fucked up priorities due to his foolish IMAGINED consistency.

He is just another Republican politician.

it all looks to me like a puppet show: keep changing candidates around; lose to obama by a narrow margin or landslide, doesn t matter, and the global melt-down is no longer concealable (by either party)- then MIC puppets step in with: "i told you so..." so the distinction becomes whether you call yourself a 'freedom fighter'; or if you think we are 'drebel scahm'...Occupy Clusterfuck('d) Nation!! We Are the 98%!!

Are you allowed to drive? You are an atavism.
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Based on my understanding of the dictionary definition of atavism, if I had a 4 inch remnant of a tail at the base of my spine that would be a genuine "throwback" or atavism. But "color blindness" is quite common. People with normal vision seem to think people like me are walking around in a world like a 1920s black and white movie but its nothing like that. Everything is in color but the shades from one to the other are often indistinguishable.

Yes, I do drive and have no trouble distinguishing red, green and amber lights.

i don t know if it s been proposed, if so consider it hereby seconded...: what if we just all write in our vote as 'james howard kunstler, for supreme leader of earth'...i mean, wouldn t we get along better, and- theoretically at least- be able to make better decisions if we thought of ourselves as "earthlings" or "humans" than as 'americans' or '_______'? i m not bitter, i m just sayin'...

Well Buck,

What do you think the ideal population of the U.S.
should be? 400,000,000? 500,000,000?

We need to create 3,000 new jobs a day to keep up with the immigration created population growth.

If there were no Central American immigrants here, legal and illegal, housing, used cars, water, power would be cheaper, schools would be less crowded and the average working person could demand and receive a living wage from the 1%.

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I have a quote for you:

"My father rode a camel. I fly a jet plane. My son will ride a camel..." Better hone those camel corralling skills son.

Of course you might be one of those faggoty French guys that thinks his wristwatch is a measure of his manhood, or perhaps the limited edition posters of elegant racing cars you tack up on your bedroom wall.

For anyone who is interested, if you'd like to make a contribution to OWS, you can look up "donate occupy wall street". You can donate directly, or by mail, the information is there.

"I wouldn't mind seeing Jeffrey Dahmer the musical. So I have a taste for the absurd and the macabre. Does that make me a bad person?"

No just one with a different serial orientation.

It's completely normal, you were born that way right?

receive a living wage from the 1%
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Will never happen as long as the corporations and the banks are in control. You need to eliminate these parasites and the corrupt political and money system that allows these parasites to exist. Only then will you also be able to sort out your immigration problems.


Come on Vlad, what are the 'high level sources'?

I guarantee you that there are ACORN people there as well as many street bums and druggies and run aways. However, the majority of the people at OWS are White Working Class with full time or part time jobs and good grooming.

Don't fall for the
"Jew York Times" attempt to smear OWS.

You are showing yourself to be a tool, not cool.

Oh, maybe you were just kidding?

Solar panels cost 100 times less than in the 1970s.
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Here we go again. This is the same fallacy as Turkle's assertion/guesstimate that blacks are 20-40 times as poor as whites.

So I propose this arithmetic exercise to you Asoka:

If a solar panel cost $75 in the 1970s and it costs 100 times less today, how much does a panel cost today? Please show calculations.

For the time being don't even try to deal with the nuance that cost and price are two different things. Maybe we'll get into that after I receive your 2011 solar panel cost calculation which will make my main point.

Turkle,

Let's do more parsing:

"Take a look at "Figure 3: Income and wealth by race in the U.S."
Median household net worth of white families is 15 times that of black ones, including house value.
Median household net worth of white families, not including house value, is 100 times that of the black households.
Median household income of black families is about 60% that of the white ones.
So, I guess it depends on how you measure things, but in terms of assets, white households are far more wealthy than black ones. "

Parse on:

Income levels of America’s major religious groups compared to the average U.S. income distribution.
Over $100,000 per year:

8% Black Christians
9% of Jehovah’s Witnesses
13% of Evangelicals
16% Mormons
16% Muslim
18% National Average
18% (Other)
19% Unaffiliated
19% Catholic
21% Christian (Mainline)
22% Buddhist
23% Christian (other)
28% Orthodox
43% of Hindus
46% of Jews

The population of the U.S. should be two. Me and Janet Reno. Yeah baby, yeah.

One was that all conspiracy theories lead to Jews, and the second was that welfare was meant solely for pre-1964 blacks.

I agree that we need better insults.

How you managed to drag immigrants into the conversation again, I don't know.

And I don't know when he's getting out of prison. I thought he should be out by now.

Add him to my list of victims of selective prosecution, while the big boys roam free.


Man, that would produce one strange genetic mutation if god would allow it.

Butch Reno and and Mook?

That was just a throwaway line. Prog annoyed me first with his welcome back to Marlin, then his all-jews-aren't-bad, look at JHK and Beantown.

I do think that Beantown is a .....(insert non-scatological insult here), mostly because he bragged about bad drivers in Boston killing pedestrians (ha, ha, ha).

I don't think killing pedestrians is funny. Two of my uncles and my cousin were killed by bad drivers. (All separate times)

Monday I had a patient who was riding her bike, and was struck by a car and badly injured.

I'm very anti-car.

Oh yeah, I forgot ... do all your calculations in nominal dollars, not inflation adjusted dollars. We don't want to unnecessarily muddy the waters.

Why are you asking Buck Stud for help?

Sounds like you need a tagger's help.

Both Karl Denninger and Elaine Supkis have interesting reads today about how Homeland Security is (rumored to be) behind the crackdown of the OWSERS. This group is too tech savy to be taken down by our government. For example, all of those phones people carry around today have the capability of capturing videos of misconduct. It's a lot harder for the government to hide behind their vicious deeds than it used to be.

When the march in Alabama was televised, showing protestors being sprayed with hoses, it didn't look too good on the evening news. But I wonder, given the mentality of John Q. Public today, whether or not any of it will register, that these people are standing up against a system of government that is corrupt and rotten to the core. And would the "news" media even cover it? If it weren't for Youtube, much of this video coverage wouldn't be known. The days of real journalism died sometime between Murrow and Cronkite.

Middle class people I know think the Owsers are a bunch of 20 somethings who want an elevator ride to the executive suite right after graduation. Does making 100K a year make you a one percenter? Last time I looked, if a husband and wife pulled in 100K, they (if they weren't hideously in debt) lived a fairly middle class lifestyle. No first class tickets to NYC, Paris, London, Tokyo every three to four months. No 2nd home at the beach or mountains. Saving money for retirement and the kid's college doesn't leave a lot of money for extras like that.

On a lighter note, I'd like to sentence Timmy Geitner to a 10 year sentence to the Penn State locker room, under the supervision of the pervert who raped those boys. Except Timmy is about forty years too old for him.

I'm very anti-car.
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So am I. But I suspect so is Bill. I think that Bill, coming from a practical rational point of view, will agree that the car and the tremendous cost involved to support the car (be it economic, political, environmental, engineering, psychological, etc.), makes very little sense.

Merci beaucoup, Q, pour votre silence.

Ha, ha. Now that is funny!

When people brag about their practicality and their rationality, it usually means that they go along with the herd. Going along to get along, as they say.

Maybe. But I think you're being a somewhat harsh on Bill. Let's wait and see what he has to say to this.

you're being somewhat harsh

We are in full DENIAL MODE, we've fooled ourselves into accepting a "New Normal" and nothing will wake us from our comas.

Prepare for the "Great Cold Shower".

The OWS is so silly they make the Tea Party look good LOL! I mean who can defend these economically illiterate fools?

Every contraction causes more and more pain, more and more people wandering around looking for someone to blame. I laugh when groups get together. Tea parties, occupiers, whatever! Hilarious how none understand the big fucking picture! It's like watching people flail about at invisible demons!
The whole damn thing looks, feels, and smells like a scam, because it is! It's a construct made by us, for us! Thats what a society is. Now it's going to eat us.
Next Paradigm PLEASE!!!!

In 1958 the Vanguard I, was launched into space. It was the first orbiting vehicle to be powered by solar energy. Photovoltaic silicon solar cells provided the electrical power to the satellite.

You are the accountant, Q. You do the research for how much NASA spent on Vanguard I solar panels and compare to how much they cost today in Costco(in nominal dollars adjusted for inflation), and I'm pretty sure the difference will be greater than a factor of 100.

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You are the accountant, Q. You do the research for how much NASA spent on Vanguard I solar panels and compare to how much they cost today in Costco (in nominal dollars OR in dollars adjusted for inflation), and I'm pretty sure the difference will be greater than a factor of 100.

Or are you denying my basic point that solar energy production costs are DECREASING?

West Coast,

I find it humorous that anyone would be interested in what I think the population count should be; I'm certainly no authority on the subject. Moreover, the current state of affairs that you you lament - "overpopulation", i.e., foreign arrivals undercutting prevailing American wages - is symptomatic of a deeper political/philosophical belief systems.

For instance, I often read the utter incoherence of anti-union/socialist vitriol and and "illegal immigration" mentioned in the same right-wing breath.

But here is a proposed contribution to the over-population angst expressed so frequently on this site(without mentioning names, one in particular has fetishized the issue):

Since the dynamic of over-population is composed of both birth-rates and people living longer, those most concerned should put their money where their mouth is and forsake health care for themselves and loved ones. That way, when "Nature's Way of Calling Us " rings, those most concerned about over-population will have forsaken hypocrisy for the betterment of the blue planet Earth.

Basically that is what is happening. The native population is aging and dying. The immigrant population is filling the niche in the eco system. You are bound to be happy about that.

"without mentioning names, one in particular has fetishized the issue"

Obfuscate, name call, and redirect.
Never answer an honest direct question about US population growth - posed by WestCoast, or by anyone else.

Nice BS, really nice.

There can be no answer to this as long as there is no real democracy. Population growth is what the people decide it should be. But you don't have that in the US. What you have in the US is the corporations and the banks deciding.

ha ha! and he only charges $1.67, too, right?!

"How you managed to drag immigrants into the conversation again, I don't know."
-wage-

Because I've decided to make it my CFN mission to show how US population growth is unsustainable - as well as a linchpin of the Earth's problems.

So - - - immigrants (legal, of course!) using food stamps and contributing to fraud in the AFDC system, fit right into the pattern. I do acknowledge your saying that we need to do a better job with the FS program and fraud. But -

Dee Jones - posted something at the end of last week's thread, "I just had to call Bull Shit on the whole Food stamp fraud comments above."

I guess pointing out that there IS fraud in the Food Stamp system is another one of those "hot buttons," like immigration - that really gets certain Traditional Liberals riled up.

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On a lighter note (barely) I forgot how much you and Marlin did not get along. I almost invited you, Wage, along on that journey through the Southeast that he was planning.

Oh yeah, one more thing, regarding -

"Prog annoyed me first..." -wage-

Just doing my job, ma'am.
Did you know that "ma'am" is an abbreviation for "madam?" I've been saying "yes ma'am," my whole life to women who are my senior. And I never knew this fact until I, just now, looked it up.


Food stamps are nothing compared to the effects of letting in South American dictators, Asian collaborators, and Nazi refugees, to the gestalt of American political opinion.

Did you ever read my blog post on immigration?

http://wagelaborer.blogspot.com/2007/12/effect-of-post-war-immigration-on.html

"I've been saying "yes ma'am," my whole life to women who are my senior."

Should be corrected as:

I've been saying "yes, ma'am," my whole life to women who are my seniorS - and as a sign of politeness or courtesy, where deserved.

So, I wasn't trying to rile you up still further, by calling you "old." And, actually, I think you're probably a few years my junior.

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And now, as I think about it - hearing "ma'am" may be as annoying to you as hearing women called "ladies."

-so, the issue of different cultures between north and south rears its head, yet again-

And we wonder why certain immigrant groups are having difficulty with cultural differences??

Oh, I guess you did. I just re-read it, and you commented on it.

OK, sonny boy, on another note.

We senior women don't really like smarty-pants boys pointing out our age.

I did read that post on immigration, wage.
It's very good.

I was skimming through it to remind myself how good it was, when I came to the bottom - and remembered that I'd commented on it.

And you had commented back to me.

I never had much of a memory, even as a kid.
Maybe you're right there with me, eh darlin'?
;-) :-)

There is fraud in medicaid too. It is done by a small handful of of dr.s and other health facilities. I would love to put them all in cell with Sandusky.

prog, could i respectfully submit that we can all agree or not on immigration; and pointing it out (thusly) every time does seem a little ab(race)ive, if you know what i mean, vern? and whether you mean it that way or not, maybe it gets a little old after a while...i m not bitter, i m just sayin'...

Or are you denying my basic point that solar energy production costs are DECREASING?
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Your basic point was that solar panels cost 100 times less today than they did in the 1970s.

I am denying that you have any idea how to state a proposition that deals with numbers and that, further, the way you state a proposition grossly misleads readers toward a belief system you are pushing and away from the truth.

I'm giving you one more shot to answer the simple question I posed. Take that chance to STOP playing at politician-like avoidance of uncomfortable questions.

After you dodge the question for the second time I will show how simple the calculation is.

You have bad tendencies - just like everyone including me. Current sports are at once too crude and too tame for me. Not only do I enjoy boxing, I could easily enjoy mixed martial arts. And I could "grow" (devolve) or become "comfortable" with viewing full gladitorial combat etc. But I choose not to go down that route and don't go to boxing or mixed martial arts. I occasionally watch boxing on TV.

The idea of denying oneself is utterly alien to contemporary man - yet it is one of the cornerstone of any Society or Culture. Not all desires or thoughts that arise in consciousness are equally worthy. Such ranking, such judgement, and acting upon it - is the very essence of integrity.

Read the book written by Dahmer's Dad. He was the bad seed right from the begining.

that m****rfucker should be on display publicly, readily available for say, large ungentle men who want to "teach jerry how we play"...or any other unpleasant-ness anyone feels like putting him through...if there is anything left, that is after the victims or their families get through with em...

I once offended a man by calling him sir. He said it made him feel so old. I apologized by saying that it was just my way of being polite - and that he look much younger than his age. And he did, but inwardly I felt sorry for him for having such a mentality, so full of fear and sorrow about losing his boyishness. A not untypical gay.

Moore’s Law for Solar Power « Azimuth
- http://goo.gl/xiAbQ

You can do the extrapolation from the graph(s) yourself.

point noted, CF.

It's been my habit to only mention immigration once or twice a week - and then to respond to questions or challenges. But there have been LOTS of challenges - though from only two posters - which is very interesting.

Can you, CF, think of something MORE important to the long term future of the United States and the globe that is NOT related to US population size.

We can talk about that.
Seriously, you start the conversation and I'll jump in if I can.

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Another way you might get me to back off would be if JHK rescinded his "My TEA Party," immigration ideas - but that's pretty unlikely.
http://kunstler.com/blog/2010/07/my-tea-party.html

"...m****rfucker, and those like him..."

The median household assets of a white family, not counting real estate, are 100x more than the median black household. So you could say, in real terms (e.g. amount of financial assets), blacks are even more than 40x as poor.

Incomes are disparate as well, but much less so.

What is not making sense now?

suh, allow me to remonstrate with all due respect that i have no beef with you or your issues; they are yours and it is unlikely that anything i say would change your mind to answer your question off the top of my head: yes, unless you can point out how our population, and its size, can regain control of our govt and all its operating arms, as well as get at least a handle on lobbying and corruption...for a start, after which, you might not mind immigration hell, you might decide to move somewhere else, in which case, well, YOU would be the immigrant now, wouldn t you? aren t you glad you changed your mind? again, p2c, no offense meant, and i hope you can take a little friendly nudge every now and then...

"You have bad tendencies - just like everyone including me."

Who is this we, Kemo Sabe?

To be fair, he was probably just paraphrasing experts like Colin Campbell and Dale Allen Pfeifer. It is a truism that there is no real replacement for oil, writ large, in all its uses, which go far beyond just powering gas guzzlers. Individual applications have their replacements, but there isn't any one economic substitution like there is for steak (e.g. eat chicken or pork instead).

White Working Class? Not college students and street people? Do you know any Working Class Whites? Not the demonstation type.

Who decides cool? OK? If you try to be "cool" you are automatically a tool. It's just like moral outrage. No one cares about the genocide of White in South Africa but O the poor Black Children! Or take Lapps, a group of proto-Causcasians with Asian traits as well. If they began to be persecuted, no one would care if they were spun as being Whites. But if they were spun as Non Whites they could easily become a cause celebre.

As Lenin said, the best way to defeat the opposition is to lead it. The Elite now have enough money to be on both sides of every issue. Goldman Sachs funded both Obama and McCain. This is not to say they have no favorites, but they can deal with most. Being on both sides allows them to fine tune what the final result will be. All the mainstream Conservatives are dealable - Michelle Bachman made the obligatory pilgrimage to Israel for example. They obviously hate Ron Paul so he is the man real radicals should vote for. The OWSers have a few good points but they are young leftist fools in the main.

Some cracks seem to have appeared in the Jewish Monolith though. Axelrod and Soros support Obama who doesn't seem to like Israel very much. And the Council of Foreign Relations believes that Israel and the Neo Cons have delayed World Goverment. This spells opportunity for Whites to strengthen their hand. But we mustn't try to be cool. The whole Apollo moon landing was a victory for the squares of the world - guys who wear pocket protecters and white tube socks. Remember that John Waters movie where the Nerds riot and attack the cool gang of thugs? That's what we need more of. Or read some old John Birch Society stuff: nerds on fire. They basically knew it all way back then: how the Banksters funded Communism etc. Read Gary Allen's "None Dare Call it Conspiracy". He talks about the "vise" - the middle class trapped between the Communist Radicals below and the Elite above - both working in concert, the Communists in cahoots with the Bankers. They always avoided naming the Jews. Did this win them any reprieve from the Jews? No, Kunstler called them "Nazis".

A long rambling response. You get the picture though. Even the Nazis were funded a bit by the International Bankers. Did they support the Nazis? Hell no. But if Nazis had held on in Central Europe, they would have wanted to do business with them. After all, the hand that lends is stronger than the hand that recieves. In the end, fiat currency created by debt will destroy all nations that have fallen into it. Even the Nazis who were so against it were not totally free of it.

Disagree. Prog is a Lawman trying to bring a spiritual criminal to justice. After all, being evasive on such a serious issue is a sin. And attacking the questioner and casting aspersions on his integrity is a crime.

I looked at Wage's link but I'm thinking ranting on about immigration is just a big WANK, no offense Prog but on this issue resistance is futile.

Once upon a time Scottish landowners found they could make more money from 'their' land raising sheep than leasing the land to Scottish peasants and the Scottish 99% percent was forcibly removed into cities where they then could then fight each other for low wage jobs. It was a double win for the Scottish 1%.

In America immigration has always been a fact of life. Our 1% has always needed people in American cities here to fight over jobs just as much as the first Scottish barons of the industrial revolution once did.

Immigrants steal jobs because that is what they are suppose to do, that's their role. It's about jobs and getting the cheapest labor force the 1% can possibly get. Preventing trickle-down is very important in maintaining class structure. Who is going to change that?

If you want to see Scottish croft ruins view the Isle of Stroma on Google Earth. Zoom in, the abandoned school is ghostly.

To believe the rich are more benevolent now then then is madness.

The Dutch Masters and their Sea Scapes are the greatest Masters of Light if not color that I'm familiar with. But there is much I don't know.

I have come to love industry scapes at sunset more than anything. The edges of the buildings are so Sharp - it is thrilling. The Light behind creates a definition that is beyond anything in the common light of day. The darkness hides the ugliness of the buildings and they become something else? But what? The Imagination is free to create.

What is color but the crucifixation of Light? Relative darkness can be such a refreshing interlude from both sometimes. I like those movies that are mostly noir but start bringing back lurid red.

What is not making sense now?
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I'll let you know after I get Asoka's solar panel calculation.

This is an excellent column by David Brooks. I like it because the scientific observations discussed provide a basis for greater understanding for others who do the "wrong" thing. Rather than making the vain, often false, assumption about what you would have done the situation or do in a similar one, one might think twice about jumping to the position of superiority.
It is possible that someone has already offered this, but here 'tis:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/opinion/brooks-lets-all-feel-superior.html?_r=1&ref=davidbrooks

LOL! I love your writing, even when you jab the sharp end of your pen into my soul.

Gonna be absent for an extended period, have fun.

Everything with you is mediated from outside yourself - from "above" so to speak. You could be made to "care" passionately about the Lapps within a week or two if they were portrayed as non White being oppressed by Whites - Russians (the new Nazis) for example. Linking is sooo effective. Just attach new desired conditioning with the old well established conditioning. "Humans" (I wont say Men) are so much easier than animals - they do it themselves for you. Besides being oppressed by Russians, let's say they were being threatened by flooding due to GLOBAL WARMING just like the Innuit supposedly are. They'd have you emiting positive noises about the Lapps and negative noises about Whites in no time.

You are just a figment of your own (mediated) imagination.

Nah, I don't really mind being called ma'am, or lady, for that matter.

And my husband, when someone calls someone a "bitch" always says, "They say that like that's a bad thing".

Thanks P.A.L (don't what that stands for yet, but I'll work on it) May your chisel stay sharp and your hammer blunt.

Ludovico was Rodin's secretary. He said not one woman ever came to "appreciate" his work until he became famous and rich. Then he had to beat them off. They are singularly without any taste whatsoever.

Your husband must keep you amused. I had to laugh at that one.

Hey WageL;

Recently read Emma Goldman's bio ...

Reminds me a little of you. (in outlook)

--WSP7

I'm like your husband. I hate bitches but still I say, "Give the bitch her chocolate". Hint: he got his saying from the same place I got mine. But he has to pander because he's in a "relationship".

That's why we have to jettison the last three hundred plus years and put the Capitalists back in the dog house where they belong. Read you Plato - tradesmen are not supposed to be in charge of anything.

I'm famous, or notorious, among family and co-workers, for my bad memory. It may be getting worse as I age, I don't know. I can't remember.

OK. Did you read my anti-car speech?

http://wagelaborer.blogspot.com/2009/06/cars-killing-locally-killing-globally.html

Yep, he's a lot better off than you are.

Are you saying he plagiarized his joke?

Prisons? Hospitals? Foodstamps?
Under the table day laborers?

Over 4,000 Occupiers have been arrested so far.

Matt Tahibbi talks about what happens to lawless Wall Street firms. Hint: it doesn't involve jail.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/finally-a-judge-stands-up-to-wall-street-20111110#ixzz1dnjSfFDw

We just crack each other up. Weird thing is, sometimes we're in a group, and he'll say something that makes me laugh, but no one else does. What's wrong with them?

Because I've decided to make it my CFN mission to show how US population growth is unsustainable - as well as a linchpin of the Earth's problems.

LOL!

You have downgraded your mission a bit, ProCon.

Last week you said allowing too many immigrants into the USA would make the entire planet "uninhabitable".

What would you say is an ideal minimum population for the USA, ProCon. You and your immediate family?

"That's why we have to jettison the last three hundred plus years"

However, I vote that we keep antibiotics, sanitation, and vaccination, and don't go back to leeching as a cure for the common cold. I also quite like light bulbs and the internet. Are ya with me, Vladdie?

I have some from friends we used to weekend with like y'all. She would laugh at what ever he said or did. It usually stopped on the last day when she was tired and/or hungover. Then it was really a hoot to us.

The 1940 census of about 132M seems about right. Think of the resources, wild life, and wild places. The dominant culture of the time would be great too.

Take a look at "Figure 3: Income and wealth by race
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I gave your link a pretty good look-over; it's the kind of study I could have a field day examining and then showing how some of the "obvious" conclusions the author would have us believe are not so obvious.

If Cash were still around this would be right up his alley since he understands better than most that "although figures don't lie, liars figure."

An example: it is drilled into our heads every day that there is an unprecedented amount of wealth held by a very small elite percentage of the population - reference the 1% vs 99% theme of the OWSers.

But there is a table in the study that shows the wealth disparity has been surprisingly consistent from 1922 to the present. In fact the wealth figure for the 1%ers in 1922 is virtually identical to the present. And the graph line between those 2 points in time does not vary significantly. A person such as yourself or Wage would say all that proves is that the elite have been a bunch of selfish pricks for the past 89 years.

But I would ask this ... suppose we had reliable data that went back as far as the ancient Egyptians or even to Romulus and Remus and found, lo and behold, that those 1%ers held roughly the same percentage of the wealth as today ... Might that change any ones viscerally negative view of today's elite? Do we complain that the Alpha Dog gets to eat first? Are we surprised that the star Quarterback gets laid more than a computer geek? Is it unfair that the runt of the litter sucks hind tit? Isn't it possible Mother Nature has arranged things just so because no other arrangement works better?

More on income and wealth by race later.

I'm not so much anti-car as I am anti-US--car-culture. In days of old, when the middle class,at best, had a horse, the elites had a horse and carriage, allowing them to ride longer distances in relative comfort.

We have too many cars in America. Henry Ford, the fascist, "democracized" the car by being able to mass produce it cheaply. Then many families could afford to own one. Today, like telecommunications, the use of automobiles has been trivialized (teenagers own their own cars and drive them to school or to hang out at the mall. A person will drive down to the post office to mail a letter, etc.).

As a result, too many sterile superhighways were built, the environment is being destroyed, we are in an immoral struggle to control the remaining oil in the world, and an almost, religious, cult-like automobile culture has developed. That's what I'm anti about. The act of driving out in the country watching its beautiful woods and orchards and other natural features is very pleasing and mentally relaxing to me.

BTW, I do remember writing months ago about how bad Boston drivers are and the games the pedestrian games they play. I don't remember the context of that posting, but I never said I think it's ok to kill pedestrians. Ask a bunch of Bostonians about this, and they'll mention the same thing I said.

Wage's comments are typical - she takes something someone says and extrapolates it way far down the road and comes up with ridiculous beliefs and statements. I guess she just plain doesn't like me. That bothers me at about 1/10th the level as a pimple on my ass bothers me - there's nothing I can do about it, so forget about it, it's no big deal.

I'm on board with human population being the "linchpin of the Earth's problems". About a year ago I almost gave myself a nervous breakdown researching the issue. How do you transform sexual mores across cultures? How do you minimize the impact of contrary edicts from religious leaders without creating a revolutionary backlash? How do you stop males from expressing their masculinity through casual procreation? How do you do any of these things without pointing a gun at somebody? Whose gun?

Hey, Q, thanks for the thoughts. I suspected you'd like that study.

I think you misread people's sentiments these days. They are not jealous of the rich, nor do they begrudge them their wealth. Most people actually want to be rich and successful. What people do take issue with (and I'm paraphrasing Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone here a bit) is cheating. Notice that companies which sell actual products, such as Apple, are not the target of people's ire. People are generally perfectly respectful of legitimate businesses that make a profit by providing services or products at a profit.

Presiding over a Wall Street firm that has billions of losses in a year and making $15 million in that same time period as the CEO smells like cheating to people, especially when the firm received a bailout from the Fed. The Fed extending trillions in credit to large financial institutions while homeowners sink in their underwater mortgages and that feels like two different sets of rules to the common person, one for Joe Plumber and another set for Joe Banker.

The way that the modern financial system is run favors gaming the system and provides a kind of social safety net for the banks. In other words, tails I win, heads you lose. The taxpayers float the banks with billions in bailout money, and the bankers pocket the profits. It is a rigged system, and that's what you don't acknowledge. In fact, from your previous posts, I gather that you have a lot more in common with the so-called 99% protesting the Wall Street banks than you do with the 1%, especially in your support (however misguided I think it is) in a gold standard and (presumably) reigning in the Fed.

I really can't do these issues justice here in a few paragraphs. If you really want to understand modern Wall Street culture and what people are "on about" in the OWS movement, you might start with the excellent series of articles in Rolling Stone by Matt Taibbi. Watching the Senate financial hearings from 2009 is also informative. It isn't that people are simply envious of the rich. They are mad as hell that financial CEOs and other big players do not seem to have to follow the same rules as the rest of us and are provided with corporate socialism courtesy of the US Fed and Treasury Department. In particular, the Treasury Department is a who's who of Goldman Sachs alumni. And then GS receives the most bailout money of any investment bank in 2009. Coincidence? Hardly. And people are (rightly) pissed about this revolving door system, which rewards those at the top and screws the little guy, who is on the hook for the bill with his tax dollars.

I really question if you've even been paying attention if you simply think the OWS movement is only about class envy.

Also, your sort of "survival of the fittest" analogy to justify out-sized rewards just doesn't hold much water. Society doesn't run this way, nor should it. If you'd like to see a real Darwinian society in action, please take a (presumably one-way) plane ride to a real free market paradise like Somalia (hey, no welfare, healthcare, police, sanitation or anything....hallelujah!).

Anyways, thanks for the analysis and discussion. Even when we disagree (usually always), I like the tit for tat. You do have some interesting things to say when it comes to statistics and finances, and I enjoy reading your posts. It is much more interesting to me (though less funny) to discuss these topics than all that pedantic BS you seem to get caught up in sometimes. ;)

I'm not sure that's a fair analysis of the income distribution. The 1979 figure is that the top 1% had 20.5% of the wealth. This seems to have been a low point for them. This percentage had climbed almost 15% by 2007 to around 35%. And now the estimates are (judging from one source I got via Google) that the 1% has 42% of the financial wealth. It ain't so simple as a flat line since 1922. Also, the 20's were known as a period of great wealth inequality, so I'm not sure why that is supposed to be some kind of ideal or baseline for you.

I guess my basic issue is that when wealth becomes over-concentrated at the top, society simply doesn't function that well. To me, it is purely a utilitarian idea that wealth should be more equally distributed. A no-holds-barred, "survival of the fittest" mentality applied to the internal economics and culture of a country is really the road to hell, and we appear to be on it.

Just looked up at the TV and heard a CEO say "it's really going to be an exciting development going foe-ward.

Why do so many people leave out the first r when saying forward?

Seriously, does anyone have a reasonable explanation?

And why do people say Rukers for Rutgers?

Is clear enunciation as anal as correct spelling?

These are some things that are bothering me today.

Turkle: Q-tip is perpetrating this fallacy:

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy)

The question remains: why do we have a severely stratified economy? The answer isn't "Nature".

Q said: "I'll let you know after I get Asoka's solar panel calculation."

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OK, Q, I'm ready to be edumacated. I did the research and here are the figures I found. I'm sure you will tell me why they are wrong.

The cost per watt in 1970 was $150. As of June 2011, the global price of modules had fallen to $1.40 per watt.

By simple math the calculation is:

15000/140=107.142857

So solar photovoltaics were 107 times more expensive in 1970 than in 2011, which leads me to believe that the price has gone down, because the buying power of the dollar has not gone down by a factor of 107.

Minimum wage in 1970 was $1.60. Minimum wage today is 7.25. 725 / 160 = 4.53125 or four and a half times. Solar panels have gone down 107 times.

No way you are going to get a dollar depreciation at a factor of 107 from 1970 to 2011.

Or, dividing 107.142857/4.53125=23.6453202

Ipso facto, solar costs have gone down. Solar panels are 23.65 times cheaper today than in 1970.

The Somalia analogy is perfect. Some politician should use it with footage of Somalia. He could say is this what you really want?

so I'm not sure why that is supposed to be some kind of ideal or baseline for you.
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It's not. See Table 3 and Figure 5. The study starts with 1922 and ends with 2007. The line is not flat but is relatively flat when you consider the hue and cry today and the fact there have been greater disparities in the past. 1929 was the highest 1%er number.

WSP7 said, "Can anybody tell me what the Owsers have accomplished?"

They have organized. People have come together and now know much better how to act, how to organize, what to do, etc., etc. Socially, you had people meeting and demonstrating. It was a successful political display. It primed people's attitude and perception of how state power is used.

People get together and ideas and memes are circulated. When a critical mass of people get together, they start recognizing their similarities, common desires, frustrations, and dreams.

The protests generated an enormous amount of talk around the world, and great pressure on all levels of government to deal with. Something like a 1000 cities saw the creation of local networks. Since mid-september or whenever it started, there has been an elevation of discussion all over the place. The blog & twitter sphere has blown up.

It also significantly reinforced all sorts of other actions. We have labor unions behind OWS, we have OWS supporting the anti-KeystoneXL project forcing federal concessions. Anti-nuclear group strengthen. Name any oppositional subject: the relevant group has strengthened.

After the protesters decamp for our global warming winter, looking ahead to 2012, it is clear we are in a post-OWS world. OWS trained people in civil disobedience. Now governments are going to think twice when considering controversial legislation. Astute politicians seeking a base will adopt policy points from the protest tenets.

And on, etc. To sum up, it will go down as historic.

Of course, that's just one set of statistics among many. And you're misunderstanding the statistic we were discussing, which is the wealth distribution, not income. I assume that wealth means a measurement of assets, which is distinct from income.

Others of interest from the same document...

Figure 8: CEOs' pay as a multiple of the average worker's pay, 1960-2007

Figure 9: CEOs' average pay, production workers' average pay, the S&P 500 Index, corporate profits, and the federal minimum wage, 1990-2005

Table 6: Distribution of income in the United States, 1982-2006

etc.

In particular, notice that the share of income going to the top 1% has risen 8% while the bottom 80%'s share fell by about 10%. I find that to be a quite interesting "coincidence."

No doubt historic. Don't mean shit until you have the cops and the army on your side.

Good post.

It is a truism that there is no real replacement for oil, writ large, in all its uses, which go far beyond just powering gas guzzlers.
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Turkle,
Never underestimate the ability of time to make a fool of all truisms, whether they be about oil or anything else. Experience has taught me nothing if not to appreciate how - events thought to be so remote as to barely be worth consideration -have a distubing tendency to occur repeatedly in a single lifetime. For example, I've witnessed two 100+ year floods in a ten year period.

Nowhere is this more true than in the realm of technology. We all find the technology we possess now to be pretty normal. Not so when you try to look forward. Imagine what people who migrated over the Oregon Trail would have though of the possibility of their grandkids flying over the same route they covered over months in just three hours. They would have regarded you as mad for suggesting it...and rightly so.

Only the simple minded think they know what will come next.

Q, don't forget to calculate in the improved efficiency of solar in your reply.

Local researchers have made a breakthrough in the development of dye-sensitized solar cells (DSSC), improving energy conversion efficiency to a level that could not be achieved in the past 20 years, the National Science Council said yesterday. By replacing the ruthenium-based dyes, generally used in DSSCs, with a modified porphyrin molecule, the team successfully pushed the energy conversion efficiency from 11 percent — the highest level achieved in the past two decades — to 13.1 percent, the council said at a press conference.
The achievement was published in Science magazine this month, it said, adding that the publication in the renowned magazine is an important milestone in the development of alternative energy sources.
Taking into account the gradual depletion of petroleum-based fuels, pollution and safety concerns surrounding biomass and nuclear power and the rarity of ruthenium as an element in DSSCs, Yeh said the team’s achievement of DSSC with porphyrin molecule-based dye has the potential of becoming an important alternative energy source in the future.
In comparison with the so-called first and second generations of solar cells — silicon-based and thin film-based, respectively — Diau said the third generation of DSSC has the advantages of being low cost, highly efficient, simple in its manufacturing process, as well as being colorful, bendable and transparent.

To you, presumably sitting on a nice retirement nest egg, and benefiting from SS and Medicaid, this is all a big "much ado about nothing." In other words, you've got yours. What me worry?

I must quote Boy Dylan here, "You know something is happening here, but you don't know what it is, do you, Mr. Jones?"

Instead of impugning the motives of the OWS people, why don't you actually try to find out what they're "on about" and not just lazily parrot third-hand assumptions about their motives and character?

This tired old line that the OWS people are just jealous and society should reward the victors with the spoils is rhetoric that I could get by tuning into Fox News (oh the horror) or listening to an Eric Cantor guest spot on talk radio. I find it dull and shallow, not to mention disingenuous.

Qtis said, "But you sound a bit too familiar with the mental states and power structures of these Alpha and Beta players you describe; no offense."

So?

I'm pretty good at getting around inside other people's heads, Q. Its one part imagination, one part biochemistry, one part psychology and one part art. Actually I would say a lot of it is scholarship. I've read a lot of books, and don't spend much time in intellectual ghettos.

I donate to Wikipedia.

TECHNO MIRACLE IN DSSC SOLAR

"...the third generation of DSSC has the advantages of being low cost, highly efficient, simple in its manufacturing process, as well as being colorful, bendable and transparent.

And how did they do it? By imitating Mother Nature!

The porphyrin molecule-based dye could be seen as artificial chlorophyll and was developed by mimicking the principles of solar energy and chemical conversion that photosynthesis in plants has successfully adopted over billions of years through evolution.

We have much to learn from Mother Nature and it is a wonderful time to be alive.

Hey, I tried to copy and paste part of your OP, but it didn't work.
Anyway, you were asking what country would be the first to disarm, etc: Try Costa Rica, where I live now, got rid of its army in 1949, and is very reluctant to even have a swat team.

'Course we really have nothing anybody else wants to invade us for, 'cept maybe the Tica's, or the coffee...

Dee

"Is clear enunciation as anal as correct spelling?

These are some things that are bothering me today."
-Q.

I'd have to say (just off the noggin) that enunciation is more important. After all, those who can't write can usually speak. If that's all one has, one had better make the most of it. ;o)

I write this as someone who has difficultly with being understood; the timbre of my voice is such that I have to consciously enunciate quite carefully.

Let's consider this, though:
Losing our comforts and income would change the order of the things we'd elect to piss and moan about, wouldn't it? Just try to keep it in mind as the Great Crumbling proceeds apace and affects more and more people directly around you. (It will, unquestionably.)

I've gone without food for 6 days at one point of severe lack of funds; good thing it was warm [and dry] enough that I didn't require a roof. Privation is a teacher of unforgettable lessons. Needless to say, I hadn't too much concern for how people spelled things. "Hep wonted" is interpretable to those who can read a bit and choose not to rob or beg.

dale,

You are misreading me. I never said that various technological solutions couldn't be provided for the functions that oil performs now, just that there is no perfect replacement for it. For instance, there are biodegradable and (AFAIK) non-petroleum-based plastics available now. You can run cars on electricity or nat gas. But this is not replacing oil writ large, only each of its specific uses. This substance has literally thousands of applications, and a replacement product that takes care of all of them would literally be oil itself, even if it was synthesized.

Does that make sense? Sorry if that's a bit too finely sliced, but that's what I was getting at. I'm mostly trying to point out that the problem is larger than just figuring out (as JHK likes to say) how we're going to run all the cars without gas.

You were asking for expert opinion on oil geology: I would suggest you check out The Oil Drum site (theoildrum.com), very informative.

Gracias, Dee

Interesting development with the porphyrins. For those of you who know-not, porphyrins are synthetic molecules that mimic the process used by chorophyll in plants, using photon pressure to move electrons. Synthetic porphyrins may have different functional constituents to the molecule that may aid efficiency of electron capture.

A substrate is any surface with bound porphyrins. An abundance of these molecules and an abundance of photons, pretty soon you're talking about an abundance of electrons. And flowing electrons is electric power.

It is critical that we give up fossil fuels, but I'm afraid that is not good enough at this point. We should stop fossil fuels from proliferating, like we prevent nuclear fuels from proliferating.

We will have sustainable energy soon. We are in a transitional phase. The USA should achieve dominance in solar and renewable energy and then crack down on worldwide fossil fuel use.

There needs to be some way of stopping global carbon release. Everyone needs to work together to make the transition to lifestyles free of fossil fuel use. Civil disobedience needs to be deployed were necessary. Occupations and demonstrations need to get louder. Our political system is completely rotten.

Revolutions are coming in every sphere of life.

Good luck with that though I'm more inclined to say things will go more along the lines of "Things fall apart." We shall see...

GREEN PARTY CANDIDATE STATEMENT ON OWS

"The aggressive, needless police actions across the country against Occupy Wall Street (OWS) are an assault on civil liberties and an effort to suppress a much needed movement for economic justice and democracy. The courageous protesters who have stood up to intimidation by lethal force are standing up for us all.

The use of police in full riot gear with helicopters buzzing overhead to arrest peaceful and largely sleeping protesters is frightening commentary on the militarization of state and municipal security. Unprovoked police violence against citizens practicing peaceful civil disobedience - clearly documented on videos gone viral on the internet - is deeply alarming: young women being corralled and pepper sprayed on Wall Street, students at University of California Berkley being attacked with nightsticks, Iraq veteran Scott Olson who served two tours of duty defending our freedoms whose own freedom was assaulted in a police attack at Occupy Oakland that fractured his skull and rendered him unable to speak.

In conducting these raids, public officials are suppressing rights of free speech, freedom of assembly and freedom of the press. Routinely, reporters were physically prevented from observing the raids. Many of those who managed to get in to the sites were reportedly intimidated or arrested. If access to public ways and public health and safety concerns were significant, other non-military solutions were available to deal with them. The lack of such efforts belies the excuse that these concerns justified police raids.

As the OWS protesters have said, the defenders of the 1% can evict the protesters, but they can't evict an idea. The protest is here to stay. I call upon the mayors of the occupied cities to follow the example of Green Party Mayor Gayle McLaughlin of Richmond, California, who welcomed the local occupation, and to allow the Occupy gatherings to continue.

Throughout American history public assemblies by the people have been essential to the advance of our civil liberties and to the defense of our freedoms.

Coxey's Army in 1894 marched from Ohio to DC, demanding public jobs for the unemployed in the midst of a recession. In 1932, the Bonus Army of 17,000 World War I veterans and their families, in the third year of the Great Depression camped in DC demanding the immediate cash-payment redemption of their World War I bonuses that were scheduled to be paid in 1945. In 1968, the Poor People's Campaign, a legacy of recently assassinated Dr. Martin Luther King, set up a shantytown in DC known as "Resurrection City" in support of an Economic Bill of Rights, seeking full employment, a guaranteed annual income, and affordable low-income housing. In 1985-86, students erected and camped in anti-apartheid shantytowns on college campuses to protest investments in corporations in apartheid South Africa.

Some of the OWS protesters are homeless. Many more are young and jobless, often carrying unconscionable college-loan debt burdens. They are the tip of the iceberg of insecurity that is increasingly intolerable for growing numbers of the American public, with the upper 1 percent of Americans now taking in nearly a quarter of the nation’s income every year and controlling 40 percent of the nation's wealth. Income disparity in the US now exceeds that before the Great Depression. Thus, the anguish that compels protesters to sleep on the cold hard ground is not going away.

The political parties of the 1% are showing signs of neither understanding the protest, nor acting to address the root economic causes. I challenge President Obama to forbid all Federal involvement in these disturbing violations of civil liberties, and to urge all elected officials to respect the right of citizens to peacefully assemble to petition their government for redress of the economic grievances caused by rule by the 1%."

Jill Stein is on record with her statement on OWS.

There are lots of candidates having debates because they want to be President of the United States. Have any of them issued statements on OWS?

Besides Ron Paul, I mean. I give him credit for speaking out in favor of OWS.

Anybody know of any other candidate's position on OWS?

Wage said "I don't think killing pedestrians is funny. Two of my uncles and my cousin were killed by bad drivers. (All separate times)

Monday I had a patient who was riding her bike, and was struck by a car and badly injured.

I'm very anti-car."

I've been looking at electric bicycles for a little bit now. They're slick and could easily replace a car.

The problem is the USA road system and its driving culture. People who drive cars are paying a spectacularly high price for the convenience in cash and physical costs.

I like to go down to the local mega-grocer and just watch Americans park and descend from their vehicles. It is instructive that many of these people could not get around any other way; that is, they are physically deficient. The only difference between their cars, pickups, and vans and the "Mobility scooter" is scale.

The more you drive, the fatter you get, the fatter you get, the weaker you become, and on, etc. Becoming a decrepit fat ass is a cumulative process. The more you drive, the more you consume, and the more you pollute. The more money goes to support fossil fuels industry. Its privatizing benefit (cheap, abundant energy) with socialized costs (pollution). So driving is both a moral and physical degeneration of the human being.

Karma is a bitch.

Imagine Native Americans watching as wave after wave of White settlers arrived and they could do nothing about it.

Now it's the Whites' turn to watch as wave after wave of immigrants arrive and they can do nothing about it.

Actually, recent archaeological findings in the Southwest show the Mexicans were here 15,000 years ago, Mexicans are the indigenous people of the Southwest. USA citizens are the immigrants who came later and took Mexican land.

Now the Mexicans are taking it back. Karma at work. Viva La Reconquista!

You have ground that airstrips and barracks can be built upon. The Army Corps of Engineers love it when they don't get shot at.

Yes, some truly inspirational stories. None of them deal with dethroning Wall Street royalty. I stand by my previous statement. The OWSers need to concentrate on getting the cops and the army in their camp. Without that goal, a lot of young lives are going to ruined for NOTHING.

Um, soka, the modern Mexican is a mestizo, which means they are roughly half white. I believe the indigenous peoples of the Americas are referred to as Native Americans and not Mexicans. Just sayin.

One more thing, asoka. There is no such thing as Karma.

Bill, you and Wage are fair and honest people. Fair and honest people should be able to get along. I hope you two work things out. I'd really hate to see this quarrel continue.

Really, I have no quarrel with her, but she sure has one with me.

Maybe it's just that time of the month. Wage has a very sensitive soul. I know this because I have one too and I can tell. But sometimes, as my grandpa use to say, I get a cockroach in my head and I turn from an angel to a monstrous demon. It passed quickly, oftentimes. :D

X, you hit the nail right on the head. We're hard-wired to try to reproduce. I don't think overpopulation can be mandated away. China tried it and it didn't work. I suppose you could automatically sterilize a percentage of children shortly after birth or require that no one can live past a certain age, as in "Logan's Run" or "Pebble in the Sky", but I don't think the citizenry would support these solutions. You'd need a 21st century Big Brother world authority; that wouldn't work, either.

No, I think that human overpopulation will get straightened out - by nature. It was nature that imbued us with the reproduction drive and gave us intelligence and adaptability to thrive, and it'll be nature that cuts us down. I don't think we'll go extinct, but something hellish will happen to drastically reduce the number of humans. Maybe a plague or something weird occurring because of the poisoned environment or global warming.

Anyway, I wouldn't worry too much about it, unless you're fairly young. Life is made for appreciation, gratefulness and enjoyment. So live it.

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Saying that is bad karma.

Oh man, why did you say that? Now I have to go bury a crows foot under the giant elm tree. You know the rules, you have to give me six mustard seeds during the next full moon. Don't forget.

Remember, I'm a man of very advanced age. Don't forget what? lol. Just think pleasant thoughts for an hour or so and that will pay off your karmic debt.

Ipso facto, solar costs have gone down. Solar panels are 23.65 times cheaper today than in 1970
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Wrong Asoka. Solar panels are NOT 23.65 times cheaper today than in 1970. Rather, they are 95.77 percent cheaper. You are making the most common rookie financial analyst mistake in the book .. not using the right BASE.

First, for purposes of explanation I'm going to accept all your raw data and I'm going to accept your methodology for converting from nominal dollars to inflation adjusted dollars which was to use the % change in the minimum wage. (I would never do it that way in real life. I would use an appropriate BLS labor series that closely correlates to the types of labor used in solar manufacturing and which is published monthly. The minimum wage changes only every once in a blue moon, based on political considerations and there is little correlation between its change and the various BLS labor series.) But all that inflation adjustment talk is irrelevant to why your statement "Solar panels are 23.65 times cheaper today than in 1970."

In addition I'm going to forget about the fact that cost and price are not the same thing. e.g. A manufacturer incurs $60 of costs to make a widget which he then sells at a price of $100. $60 is cost, $100 is price and $40 is profit. But for our purpose we'll treat cost and price as the same. Lastly, to simplify I'm going to round off all numbers to 2 decimal places.

You have used the price now (4.53) as the base and divided it into the price then (107.14) to get 23.65. You should have subtracted the price now from the price then to determine the amount by which the price has declined (107.14 - 4.53 = 102.61). Then 102.61/107.14 = .9577 or 95.77%.

95.77% is the % by which the price declined. That is less than one full "time". One time is written as 1 or as 100%. Obviously this is waaay less than 23.65 "times."

If the price had become cheaper by 23.65 times that would be a decline in price of 2533.86 dollars. i.e. 107.14 x a negative 23.65 = -2533.86. This would result in an absurd new/current price of negative 2426.72. i.e. (+107.14 - 2533.86 = -2426.72) Effectively, the seller would be paying the buyer $2,426.72 to take one Kw worth of solar panel power off his hands.

Except in some bazaar circumstance no price can decline more than one "time" or 100%.

I know this is a long winded explanation of something which is very intuitive. You (and Turkle) are simply unaccustomed to accurately stating a mathematical proposition.

If someones weight rises from 100 to 200 pounds how much is the percentage increase?

Answer: 100%

If that person's weight then falls back to 100 pounds how much is the percentage decline?

Answer: 50%.

This demonstrates the importance of using the correct base.


"I'm on board with human* population being the "linchpin of the Earth's problems". About a year ago I almost gave myself a nervous breakdown researching the issue. How do you transform sexual mores across cultures? How do you minimize the impact of contrary edicts from religious leaders without creating a revolutionary backlash? How do you stop males from expressing their masculinity through casual procreation?"
-xhalor-

A nervous breakdown is warranted in some ways, X.
As BTB just alluded, most (maybe all) of us humans are probably doomed by some oncoming planetary event. But it's still worth a fight - to try to save something here.

*My argument, xhalor, only asks that you change "human" to "United States" in your paragraph above. We could have set a standard after WWII. And again, the Age of Aquarius was onto something - with free love and birth control.

There is nothing wrong with sex. It's sex that leads to babies that is the world's problem.

But the US as the last, best hope of a free humanity - was not to be. The final nail in the coffin was US politics, personified by Ronald Reagan and then Bill Clinton - and the Grow, Grow, Grow mentality that finally consumed us.

And now, with US encouragement and a growing US population - this mentality may well consume all human life on Earth.

"We are a wicked people who deserve to be punished." -jhk-

That would make more sense if there weren't so many Atheists and Multitudes running around this Cluster Fucked Nation - and fanning the flames of growth, Growth, Growth.

Hey Prog, I am in the service industry, Firefighter/EMT, and I always address people as Sir or Mam, I think it rubs people the wrong way. What can I call them if I don't know their name? Hey you dare, are ya hurt?

I don't want too sound to alarmist, but it appears that one of the assets sold to the Chinese is the CFN blog.

Hey Ozone, those 6 days you went without food due to lack of funds, did you also have to go without beer?

Now that's what I would call a desperate situation!

--WSP7

I always call strangers sir or ma'am (miss if I feel flirtatious). If they give me any shit I just give 'em the fish stare. In my mind I'm thinking "Well, then fuck you sir or ma'am."

I'm 54 and I call 20 year olds sir. That really messes with their heads. When the kids in the hood call me Mr. LaP+++++ I say knock it off my name is Goomba!

Do those images have an english translation?

"I looked at Wage's link but I'm thinking ranting on about immigration is just a big WANK, no offense Prog but on this issue resistance is futile."
-k-dog-

Wow, K, I had to look it up - so thanks!
Worms Against Nuclear Killers - COOL!!
OK - that's probably not what you meant, right?
Are you British, by chance?

So "wank" goes to something about masturbation, seriously. No offense taken by me - 'cause it's easy to argue that almost all of modern human endeavor is a form of "wanking," and that's especially true on the internet right now.
(I'm waiting on BustinJ to get politics on the internet organized for the common good.)

But it only takes one lively sperm in the right place to fertilize something important - so I think I will continue, for a while yet.

Ok - everyone back to your wanking.

Tripp.............
You know enough science to know 'Cholesterol' is not a disease, Now 'they' want to start giving 11
year olds 'anti cholesterol' meds!

re:
"Anti: I like that, just 'Anti'. Meds now "outkill" autos in the US. Isn't that something? Medicine kills more people than the 40,000 Americans killed by autos every year. I thought meds were supposed to help people? And I get a hard time about my vaccination policy...please people, wake up, the problem is systemic."

I read or heard that meds PROPERLY prescribed are killing more folks that vehiculars.

And DEE,...yr comment on Nov 14
Do you know the fraud in the foodstamp program is
into the billions?
You mentioned 'families' I dunno what % of the give away is to families nor do I know what %
of said families are US born.

I just loaded them into the Google Translator. The translation was equally confusing. It appears to be advertising. There is a website, www.iteasypass.com that appears to certification training for IT specialties.

There was some Govt meeting about Fracking today..
Its on radio now.
Not sure what the conclusions of it are.

"....to answer your question off the top of my head: yes, unless you can point out how our population, and its size, can regain control of our govt and all its operating arms, as well as get at least a handle on lobbying and corruption...for a start, after which, you might not mind immigration hell, you might decide to move somewhere else, in which case, well, YOU would be the immigrant now, wouldn t you?"
-charles foxtrotting-

Maybe, charlieF, maybe. Again - any chance that our AFL/CIO-type unions of productive industry workers; as distinguished from Unions of Public Workers -

But any chance that US workers might have had to stay prosperous enough to STAY organized - has been slowly and deliberately eviscerated by our growing immigrant population -

Such evisceration - publicly aided and abetted by our political elites since Reagan and the first big Mexican amnesty.

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And I'm not moving anywhere else. I've got assets and some connections and I'm going to stay in the land of my birth and fight forever - trying to fix this problem.

It would help if pro-immigrant forces already IN the US would not be so sanctimonious in their bragging about allowing the "best and brightest" immigrants from other countries to enter the US -

Leaving those countries of origin even more impoverished in the most important thing for desperate times - human capital.

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OK, I'm out of here for a couple of days.
Y'all try not to hurt each other.

Instead of impugning the motives of the OWS people, why don't you actually try to find out what they're "on about" and not just lazily parrot third-hand assumptions about their motives and character?
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Have you replied to the wrong comment? My comment contained NOTHING about the OWS. Further, you imply that my modestly comfortable financial circumstances in retirement are perhaps undeserved when, in fact, they are the result of a lifetime of foregoing "stuff" in [what was then] the present so there would be something left in the future.

Re SS and Medicare (not Medicaid) I paid in for 50 years and am now recouping what I paid in. It is an open question whether I will ever recover all I paid in once adjustments are made for inflation.

I know perfectly well what they are "on about" and I hope they realize that at the root of all their (and our) problems is BIG Govt.

Lastly, and for the hundredth time, I do not watch FOX news and therefore don't parrot anything YOU seem to have heard there.

So, solar panel prices have decreased 95.77%

Why, that's better than a half off sale, isn't it?

I now consider myself edumacated. You have to consider the base. Now I understand better how defense contractors defraud the taxpayer.

"Solar panels are NOT 23.65 times cheaper today than in 1970. Rather, they are 95.77 percent cheaper."

If for the same dollar amount to buy one solar panel in 1970, I can buy 23 today, in my simple mind that makes it 23 times cheaper, but then I'm not a defense contractor accountant who knows you cannot go above the number 1.

Except I have 23 in my back yard for the previous price of 1. See the difference between "times" and "percent"? I will gather 23 times the amount of solar energy, not 95%.

The 23 solar panels speak for themselves, regardless of how you want to play word games with the numbers.

So, solar panel prices have decreased 95.77%
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That's right, and the learning "curve" (aka quantity adjustment curve, aka the technology improvement curve) is a thing of beauty. The slope of the solar panels curve is steep which means the decline in costs is rapid. On log paper the "curve" appears straight but if plotted on regular graph paper (linear paper?) it would curve from upper left to lower right and eventually flatten out meaning huge percentage cost decreases can't be maintained forever.

My understanding of the tremendous learning curve on the solar industry is the subsidies provided the industry by many national governments including China, Canada, the US and Germany. Being the capitalists they are each wants to nudge ahead of the competition. You can see where that lead in the case of Solyndra (Sp?).

The removal of subsidies (because of problems like Solyndra and, someday, the saturation of the market will flatten the curve dramatically. The market price of solar stocks has taken a severe beating in the past 6-12 months and I believe it is primarily because of fear governments will be pulling the subsidy plug. I own some JASO, a Chinese solar panel manufacturer so I try to stay attuned to what's happening.

On log paper the "curve" appears straight but if plotted on regular graph paper (linear paper?) it would curve from upper left to lower right and eventually flatten out meaning huge percentage cost decreases can't be maintained forever.

All this time I've been searching for how life works in the wrong places.

It's all so simple: the answer is spreadsheets!

OK, here's an example that sticks in my mind.

I planted a bunch of boxwoods and was hauling compost out to mulch them and my husband asked what I was doing, so I explained.

He said, "Oh, you're bedding your hedges", which I thought was hysterically funny, so I repeated it at work, and no one got it.

Do you?

You're going to tell me that BIG GOVERNMENT (oh no!) is the source of all our problems, that the free market magically solves everything, and that the winners should take all (essentially...I'm paraphrasing and simplifying here), and then you turn around and tell me you're not parroting some third hand "conservative" line from cable tv news.

Please. Your tired line of argument is about as original as one of Limbaugh's stale farts. Maybe you should be watching Fox News to find out where your second rate drivel actually originates these days.

The financial crisis was not primarily caused by the government, dipshit. The government saved the bacon of the private firms that originated the problems. Wall Street firms got themselves into a mess by making complex derivatives out of sub-prime mortgages and then building a mess of other bets and obligations based on these investments. This house of cards fell down when sub-prime mortgages started to go into default and the chain of investments unravelled. How in fuck is the US government responsible for their behavior? Please tell me. Did they actually force banks to cook up sub-prime loans? Did they make these firms bundle these loans into risky derivative investments? Did they force them to take out CDSs?

Did the government play a part? Well, sort of, if you think that the Federal Reserve is really part of the government. (It isn't, really, more like a consortium of private banks.) They made interest rates low, which, it could be argued, lead to over-investment in speculative financial instruments. But to act like they are the primarily the cause of the crisis is not supported by the facts. Wall Street is far from innocent. Why do you think people are so mad at them? Is this another case of Q is right and everyone else is wrong?

The problem is bad government, mismanagement, and capture of the Fed and Treasury by the financial industry, specifically alumni of Goldman Sachs, not big government, which is a bullshit, loaded term used by disingenuous conservative assholes. Yeah, in theory, people don't like big government, but take away their SS, Medicare, food stamps, unemployment benefits, welfare, roads, police, firemen, sanitation systems, municipal electricity systems, parks, etc. and they quickly change their tune. (Like the Tea Partiers who say get rid of the bloat but keep my Medicare and SS.) What they really mean is, keep my gravy train rolling but let's get rid of the other guy's.

Instead of giving handouts of trillions of dollars, the government could easily have done the same thing that happened after the S&L crisis, e.g. stepping in and shutting down the firms that were and reorganizing the rest. And that worked pretty well, AFAIK. Or the business of the insolvent and corrupt banks could have been given to more reliable institutions and then the bad banks dismantled. There was no reason that it had to be handled in the fashion it was except for the fact that the Wall Street moles embedded into the Federal Reserve and Treasury wanted to help out their buddies in the too-big-to-fail banks with billions in helicopter dollars.

Instead of anything reasonable and sane being done, there was unlimited free money provided, because that's what Wall Street needed to shore up their dopey derivative positions. Oh, but the firms that were GS competitors were allowed to fail. (Must have just been a coincidence that Geithner and Paulson are ex-GS.) It doesn't take a "big government" to conjure up trillions of dollars out of thin air. That can be done in an afternoon. But enforcing the laws on the books through prosecutions and so-forth would require some major resources, on the other hand, in terms of investigations, law enforcement, prosecutors, etc. (The SEC is severely underfunded, BTW. Guess who we have to thank for that?) It isn't a matter of government being evil, like you dopes believe, but of having the right people running the show, just like in any enterprise. Like, for instance, the American big government got us through the Depression, won WWII, and then rebuilt Europe. And then lead the world in the biggest economic boom of all time during the 1950's. Should all of that have been left up to a small, minimal government and the magic of the free markets? Would we have been better off?

That all worked well because at that time we had actual public servants who wanted to do good for their fellow Americans, not Wall Street plants intent on ripping them off.

America is 300 million people. The government is not going to be small or minimal like you simple-minded libertarians imagine. Sorry, we're not going back to 1792. That's just the reality. Too bad you can't deal with it. The question is, what kind of big government do you want, one that serves the people or a kleptocracy supporting crony capitalism?


Well, it will be VERY interesting to see what happens when the OWS folks demonstrate right at the NYSE with a goal no less than to shut down the NYSE.

Someone higher up here said that the OWS'ers make the Tea Party people "look good". I think this assessment is WRONG in the extreme. The Teabaggers candidates have already lost before the battle has begun. OWS is now INTERNATIONAL and they are making sure that free speech, freedom of assembly, and freedom of the press are front-and-center issues ... not just calling to account the travesty of incompetent bunglers and thieves getting RICHER in 2008 through 2010 on the public's dime.

This movement now has STRONG legs and I'm personally PROUD of them. 'Tis better to light one candle than just curse the darkness. This one candle ... HAS BEEN LIT.


E.

'Lastly, and for the hundredth time, I do not watch FOX news and therefore don't parrot anything YOU seem to have heard there'
He still says y'r a reactionary!
Faux Noose.

When I first read yr riposte I thought you were railing against asoka.
Seems youve found another sparring partner.

It's a combination of corn and car subsidies, in my opinion.

I was watching footage of the 60s, and, again, it's striking to notice the difference between then and now, in terms of body mass.

People had cars then, but it was also common to walk places, and the sprawling McMansions weren't around.

The big difference though, I think, is farm policy.

The switch to agribusiness, throwing family farmers off their land, and subsidizing vast fossil fueled mountains of corn, leading to confined animal operations and sped-up killing factories, (staffed with disposable illegal immigrants), funneled to fast food drive-throughs, pretty much explains to me why Americans are so fat.

So, again, land reform.

( Now we can wait for Q and Beantown to claim that our farm policies are just human nature.)

Thanks for posting Jill Stein's statement, Asoka.

About Mexico's land.

As I've said before, I grew up in a barrio, so always "knew" that the US stole a good portion of Mexico.

But I had a patient once who pointed out to me that Mexico was a European construct, and that Native Americans weren't Mexican any more than they were American.

That was an eye opener for me.

Yes - there are little books of kitsch full of these "gems". What time does he have to be in at night?

Yes - the original Mexicans were Spainards - bearded White Men often with fair skin and blue eyes. They built the beautiful adobe structures that Buck loves. Nothing to do with the angry uneducated half breeds who think that we owe them the Southwest - including the infratructure, health care, welfare, etc. And also even less to do with the Cannibal Aztecs and Maya - whose cities were designed by a lost race of White Men.

The Aztecs thought that Cortez was Quetzlcoatl come back to punish them for perverting his religion of love. When he said raise your heart up to the sun, he didn't mean cut someone's heart out and hold it up. He meant it like a Chrisitian might - altho expressed differently.

Check this out - video of a yogi who lays down in fire. What do you think?

http://www.indiadivine.org/articles/800-fire-yogi-tanjore-complete-47-minute-documentary-video.html

Also besides the veracity of it, what do you think of it morally? Is it right to use all this food feeding the fire? Or is Christ's response Judas the correct one - that the higher must take precedence? And that the higher includes the lower - i.e the Yogi prays for peoples intentions during the puja and that just attending the puja with faith can life changing. And even the smoke from some of the burnt herbs is medicinal.

Strongly disagree. Communism was international too - is that any proof of virtue? The evidence is clear: Soros, Acorn, Obama are all over this. The Movement may quiet down a bit over the winter but then it will come back stronger than ever with increasing influence from the unions. There will be massive violence from Leftists, Anarchists, and Union Goons towards late Summer as the election looms. The Left is making a major bid for power. We must be ready to fight them back - on the streets if necessary.

Hey! What's that? Looks like a bunch of Marines with a big camouflage fire extinguisher. They are simply going to run them off AT WILL. Honestly, it's not going to work until we also take back control of OUR army and constabulary. If that can't be accomplished, then it's national strike time. Wanna hit Wall Street where it hurts? Hit 'em in the wallet.

"The evidence is clear: Soros, Acorn, Obama are all over this."

No, the evidence is not clear that OWS has anything to do with these people and groups. I notice that you don't bother providing any factual assertions to back this up. Hmmm, how convenient that you don't feel the need to support your arguments with facts, pretty much ever.

Again, you're just making up this shit as you go along (like usual).

He could have fooled me, because Q reads from the same playbook. He says that OWS is all about "envy" and "jealousy", at least I recall him saying several things to this effect both this week and on JHK's post from last week. He thinks that economics and society is all about winners and losers and that the former deserve as much as they can take, and once they have it, they deserve to keep all of it and not get taxed (at least not much). Greed is good, right? He wants minimal, small government, because big government is the source of all our troubles. For instance, the financial crisis wasn't caused by private entities, or at least not primarily. No, no. Of course, it was the fault of "big government." Q decrys socialism and social programs and thinks that "free markets" are the way to solve all problems, even those caused by free markets. He probably wants to shrink government down to the size where it can be drowned in the bathtub. I assume he also believes in obvious economic fallacies like Tinkledown Economics and cutting taxes to stimulate the economy.

These types of arguments, these days, are the ammunition of abrasive, empty talking heads like Hannity, O'reilly, and Glenn Beck, who are parroting the Republicans and their odious political stooges like Grover Norquist and Eric Cantor. So even if he doesn't watch them, he's quacking like them. That's why I said third hand. He probably heard something from someone who thought that Hannity really hit it on the head last show when he talked about Obamacare and Obamanomics. And he thinks he's being an original thinker, too, which is kinda sad.

Maybe I just have Q all wrong. Perhaps his views are more subtle. But from reading his, you know, shtick week after week, I think I'm pretty close to the mark.

Or maybe you can correct me, Q. Seems to me you kinda clam up when things actually get down to specifics, so I'm attempting to fill in a few blanks here.

"We must be ready to fight them back - on the streets if necessary."

You're not going to take these guys on with your little pop gun. Don't get delusional. Let's not forget that policemen and soldiers are also citizens. They and their families are getting fucked over too. We have to win them over.

"We must be ready to fight them back - on the streets if necessary."

You go ahead with that plan, Charles Bronson. I'll be right behind you. Honest!

Yes, because the grandma and priest that were pepper sprayed in Seattle during a peaceful protest this week were simply anarchist, leftist, union goons doing the bidding of their masters, Obama and George Soros, am-I-right, Vladdie?

Please pass the pitcher. I'd like some more of that Kool-aid.

Finance is the cancer of our society.
The real meaning of money IS exchange.
When I sell bread I get money, but I can exchange it with my plumber, or paying the driver of the train or the farmer who produces the milk I drink.
When I make money with the Stock Market I simply steal it from the one or the many who lose it.
When you earn with money, you produce nothing.
Making money with money is STEALING, LEGAL THEFT.
In finance nothing is produced, nothing is destroyed, everything is "transformed“ or better changes hands.

"...the grandma and priest that were pepper sprayed in Seattle during a peaceful protest..."

How freakin' horrible. Grandma must have whipped out her nunchucks. That'll teach her. Just heard that a New York city councilman was roughed up and detained for hours and hours. No comment yet from Bloomberg. Wish I knew more but I just caught a fragment on TV news and it's bedtime. Methinks they are trying to discourage a spring re-awakening.

The flapping of a butterfly's wings will provoke a hurricane in USA

As soon as the US banking system feasted for being least exposed to the European debt crisis (15 billions)they realized that actually it was not so.
The amount of CDS is around 250 billions, and that changes the picture.
More so, if you realize that the people (banks) who insured the European debt with CDS do NOT actually own the money they should pay.
That means just one thing: if Europe defaults, they will be finished in a few days...
They were successful with the Greece’s hair cut, 50% was voluntarily agreed...that means Greece didn’t´ t default and Goldman Sachs doesn’t have to pay.
A complete different scenario would happen in the case of Italy and the other European states.
After Greece’s hair cut and the discovery that the CDS are not worth the paper they are written on, it was a game among the European bond owners (except Germany)to be the fastest to dump them.
Papademos and Monti the two Goldman Sachs men are the last hope.
GS would have preferred to be in the shadow, but the risk of Greece and especially Italy going into default was a risk they couldn’t´ t contemplate.
Now the fight is with Germany, who doesn’t want to allow the ECB to print money to bail out the countries in debt, as the FED did with the banks.

But there could be a solution, painful, but effective to save Europe and the Euro.
First they should have forbidden the naked CDS, or the restructuring of the debt which is now too high.
But the hunger for more and more won´ t allow this.
They won´ t stop before we will be left without jobs, without money, without life.
But some say that the goal is to reach 500.000 people on the globe.
So, 6,5 billions will have to die.

vlad, you poor, sick fuck! violent?! i guess scot olsen should be charged with 'assault with a deadly foerhead'?! or those four girls with resisting arrest and improper use of tear gas? how about the kid who died? why should he get off so easy? he was by god exercising his (wait, and your) first ammendment rights...seems to me all the violence has been from right-wing goons who know no other way beside intimidation and fear mongering hmm, sound like anyone we know? troll...

see, give me the pitcher o' koolaid and i ll dump it out


In response to a comment about the police against the OWSers

This daisy chain cutter of an economic system will go up the food chain. If the police don't have a problem with the system now, they soon will.

They're already losing jobs and the rampant privatization of all things governmental will screw them further.

Their pensions will be fodder for Wall St. and gutted. Everything they worked for is on the table, just like the rest of us, as the monetarists need more real money to produce fake wealth.

The fact that this global racket will not be stopped means that they are gunning for more war, that always keeps the masses in check and more poverty world-wide, except in those few areas that represent growth. (BRIC)

When that time comes, we'll see who the police back.

i just hope when the police are ordered to use live rounds; most of them refuse...i figure best case: they defect like in syria...

Thanks for this excellent commentary. The degree to which the television news organizations (not just CNN) have played up this scandal at the expense of other news (the clearing of Occupy Wall Street, for example) is amazing.

As evidence of the collusion between corporate, university, and sports power, see the report from Slate on how the CEO of Merc has been tapped to head the Penn State investigation, a role for which he is well suited, given that Merc covered up for years the potentially fatal cardiovascular side effects of its best-selling painkiller drug Vioxx. Here's a link:

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2011/11/sandusky_cover_up_why_is_kenneth_frazier_leading_the_investigation_at_penn_state_.html

One more thing: My personal interest (okay, obsession) is in the spread of technological thinking in the culture, and in that regard I note this comment from the great Jacques Ellul:

“The machine has made itself master of the heart and brain both of the average man and of the mob. What excites the crowd? Performance – whether performance in sports….or economic performance…in reality these are the same thing. Technique is the instrument of performance. What is important is to go higher and faster; the object of the performance means little.”

Of course, there *is* an object of the performance of the college sports machine, and that is money, and for the players, fame, etc. What Ellul meant, I think, is that the object of the performance produces little in terms of developing genuine, meaningful depth of character, socially as well as individually.

Thanks again, Jim, for your excellent comments.

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind

I call it the eternal relentless search for the unlimited growth paradigm.

I have been working on the idea that this system is not just about slave labor and currency exchanges, it's also about the investors and CEO class looking for the elusive idea of unending growth to keep this system going.

They have devised a system where they can grow a region for industry and real wealth and then get them into debt where they will have to give over all their wealth to this syndicate we call global free markets and central banking.

As I mentioned a minute ago, the global cabal of neoliberalism needs real wealth to suck out the local economies, so they go from country to country looking of the elusive growth on which to feed.

The reason why we are over is not an lack of education or even our culture. It is that the US and Europe were not growing anymore and the "developing" countries had the potential for great growth.

I guess their minds just get erased. The idea of doing things legal sure has.

So they ignore the economies that aren't growing--totally casting aside educated human resources who might need real wages in favor of the slave labor and growth potential of the third world.

That's the system and it can keep on going until oil becomes too expensive, as each country that gets gutted could potentially grow again. Yes, as JHK has pointed out, the end of cheap oil is their greatest weakness.

So, round and round the world this process of building up and gutting goes, when does it stop, nobody knows!
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btw, Wage I had a bit of a chuckle at your husband's joke. Maybe thy don't know what hedging your bets are.

"...did you also have to go without beer?

Now that's what I would call a desperate situation!"
--WSP7

Yes! lol
As us "common-sewers" of grainy quaffages can attest, beer is one of the basic food groups. Packed with vitamin B[eer] and hoppy goodness! Get yours today!
If you can afford brew, you ain't THAT bad off... yet. ;o)

Hey, I can't remember the quote well, but it goes sumthin' like:
"An 'adventure' is a desperate, life-threatening situation that you come out of alive."

"Except in some bazaar circumstance no price can decline more than one "time" or 100%." -Q.

Q.,
That's actually a pretty good pun ya got goin' there!
In the "bazaar" of the banking marketplace, one can magically turn 1 dollar into anywhere from 30 to 100 more. (Expected future loan interest returns, don'cha know.) Declines of the value of any [supposed] assets is passed along to the public, and I'm certain the bankers would like to see those losses they're passing on go into "negative" territory. It's like an insurance scam, dig?

chuckle! 'common-sewers' indeed! and that quote about adventure sounds about right...i have occasional 'adventures' with beer, myself...

Damn! i missed it! and i wouldn t have given him credit for a pun, either; i d have billed him the $1.67...

"And why do people say Rukers for Rutgers?"

Q, don't you mean Rukkers, since Rukers would be pronounced Rookers?

If there's one group of people that should have extreme violence visited on them collectively it is the MSM propaganda whores. These people should feel real horrific fear for their lives and the lives of their families. They are the actors that allow the thieving fascist imperialists to get away with their crimes.

i get it . Your coworkers are dull or tired.

Charlie,
Check this one out. Very droll; I got slightly maniacal giggles out of it all the way through! :o)
It's full of smatterings and splatterings of strange out-of-context musings that are very funny in themselves. (Reminds me of Kunstler under the influence of quality herbal enhancements.)

Layyyy-deez and Gents, Fred presents yer bestest prez'den'shill candidates ever:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29740.htm


"Except in some bazaar circumstance no price can decline more than one "time" or 100%." - Q

Oh Q, you reallly are slipping. Bazaar?

Instead of land reform. It could be called "family farm And farmland preservation." Ranching the old way would be "healthy, humane meat production." Get Madison Ave. involved. Land reform sounds too Marxist.

I had friends who were prosperous family farmers until about 1980. There is no reason it could not be that way again with the right promotion.

heh heh heh see, when you look at em all at once it becomes obvious: give us 2012; TSHTF over- pick 1 (one), the MIC steps in with something like, "see, you should have elected us; now our friends over at the pentagon are gonna have to take care of us until you all behave yourselves- then in a little while, really- trust us! we ll step aside and let you have your democracy back..."

"And also even less to do with the Cannibal Aztecs and Maya - whose cities were designed by a lost race of White Men." - Vlad

That's rich. I've never heard that before. Maybe because it's complete bullshit.

HA! it occurs to me, what if we all fucked em at their own puppet show by electing the most unelectable republican of them all, in sarah palin? she obviously doesn t want the job; i bet she could be persuaded to abdicate to VP clinton (bill, that is...) c'mon, CF'dN, you gotta admit this is brilliant...!

I'm mostly trying to point out that the problem is larger than just figuring out (as JHK likes to say) how we're going to run all the cars without gas.
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Good point, but I suspect that if we stopped powering so many cars with it the consumption numbers would suggest we won't run out of oil any sooner than we run out of oxygen.

actually, i think our poor resident racist has slipped into UFO-worshiping territory now...funny the ledges some people will jump off of in their minds in order to keep an ideology that comforts them in some small fashion...more s the pity, really, because there s something to the premise: if whites are really the progeny of the heavens, then that neatly wraps up the whole god, separate priveleged people thing...dipshit...

"Let's not forget that policemen and soldiers are also citizens. "

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Agreed.

What's more, they are a special kind of citizens. They have taken an oath to protect and serve the 99% ...

It won't be long now before the police start refusing orders to fire on nonviolent 84 year olds, priests, and war veterans who are exercising a constitutional right to peaceably assemble to redress grievances.

Maybe you should be watching Fox News to find out where your second rate drivel actually originates these days.
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Precisely, so he visits RW websites, or listens to RW talk radio instead of watching Fox News...so what? That talking points are so nearly identical only an idiot wouldn't realize there is a common source.

There is something to be said for the notion of people having multiple IQ's. Tik's pretty good with numbers, in fact, anything with lots of rules he can memorize...and he'll never tire of wanting to demonstrate his capacity for keeping track of those rules.

But when it comes to unquantifiable factors such as human behavior....Well...not so smart, huh? Then his dogmatic tendencies takes over, as he tries to force everything into little holes like his numbers or spelling words. It produces some pretty funny results - like when he didn't understand the difference between communism and socialism.

All left brain.....no right.

But wait! There's more!
Yes, Friends, a veritable treasure-trove of insults to our misconceived conceptions of propriety, good taste, and basic notions of stolid intelligence can be found HERE!

http://www.fredoneverything.net/fred-columns.shtml

If you buy now, we'll include this beautiful, one-of-a-kind... (etc.)

I clicked on his link entitled White Trash and he writes about a documentary I saw recently called The Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia. Tis an interesting look at a multi-generational clan of drug and booze-addled welfare whores from West Virginia. I recommend that Vlad check it out. It will make him proud I'm sure.

Hey I finally translated MAOMAOs cryptic Chinese message posted here on CFN. It goes something like this:

Begin transmission-

"Americans we own you, including the air you breath, the dirt you walk on, the water you drink. This is due to your stupidity, sloth and greed. Soon we will be coming to kill you all and take what is is ours."

-end transmission.

So there it is straight from the Chicom Politburo.

Ozone the invitation is still open if you want to come down and do some shotgunning Sunday in Burlington 12 noon -3PM. Its just a few miles from where you used to live.

--WSP7

Thanks WSP!
A kind and generous offer, as per usual.
We'll see how I make out with some MAJOR adjustments 'round h'yar...

That goes for you too RipT. Just a short drive down Rte 10.

--WSP7

Yes, it's all about the branding.

Last night I had a conversation with my friend whose husband used to be a prosperous farmer, and now works in concrete.

She said that he's stockpiling weapons, diesel, food and ammunition.

I pointed out that that wouldn't last long, and she causally said, well, everyone would head to the emergency shelter down the street from me, anyway.

What???!!! This is what I've been wondering about for years, and some right wing Republican knows all about it.

She's like, yeah, don't you know? They have a giant hangar and it's for emergencies, and they're all set up, and that's where everyone is supposed to go.

I told her, sure they are, just like the Superdome. Everyone heads for the shelter, they're locked in, and after 3 days of going without food or water, everyone boards those buses without question.

I don't think so.

They need to use their remaining land to go back to farming, in my opinion, instead of holing up in their trailer with shotguns.

Wouldn't that be the Super Committee?

I mean, we had our Papandreau, Berlosconi moment, when they announced that regular Congress was too unruly to control, so our government was being turned over to 12 people, and they'd better do what they were told, or else.

My BFF at work cracks me up too. Here's his latest offering-

I was picking through the frozen turkeys and said to the stock boy, "Do these turkeys get any bigger?" He said, "No, sir, they're dead."

Yes. None of them had ever heard the term. And yet their 401Ks are in hedge funds, stripped of value by Wall Street managers. They lost their bets. Here's a funny thing. Whenever our 401Ks lose money, we get notices from Wachovia explaining that since we now have less money in our accounts, we need to increase donations in order to build it back up again. And, yes, my co-workers fall for that.

How's the OWS thing going? Are you going to join the rally today?

That was great.

Have you ever read Army Times? It's actually kind of interesting.

P.A.L. stood for Private Ass Licker in 1966, when i was 11. "Yer my PAL" was fightin' words. Maybe not at Penn State...

Fuck you, Joe Pa. The shit and blood of little boys is on your dick. God bless Andrew Vachss. The truth hurts- real bad.

Apropos of JHK's post, i quit watching pro sports many years ago. I ride bikes, but do not watch the Tour. (ok, i still like RAAM cuz recumbent bikes compete credibly, and that is what reasonable grownups ride.) I still follow U of AZ basketball, but no doubt they are tainted somehow... taint. Yak.

Mostly I work my ass off, read books, correspond with friends, and ride my recumbent bikes. I do not believe for a minute that things will get better or that our government will come to resemble the mythical assembly I was taught to revere in school. Education is really about unlearning. I am educated.

"When i think back on all the crap i learned in high school,
it's a wonder i can think at all..." Paul Simon

Recumbent bikes? At last we are getting somewhere! I didn't want to bring them up myself... Wait - do I even know what they are? Are they the ones were the rider is a few inches from the ground and the cars can't see you? Good idea. Can you have sex while riding btw? Female superior of course.

Andrew Vachss - read a few. Multi-racial violence porn for manly self righteous liberals. Don't get me wrong, Burke is cool and I enjoyed them. But there are no such gangs in New York or elsewhere. Gangs are almost always strictly ethnic affairs. Very powerful gangs (mafias) where the leaders go to work in suits and study Von Clausewitz may employ other ethnes as the Italians did. But they can never rise past a certain point.

But apart from these caveats you sound like you're doing good. Go over the the-spearhead.com and learn about men's rights and the plan to overthrow the Matriarchy. It may not be necessary though - who said the Collapse is going to be all bad? Feminism dies on the Day.

Do you want to know the difference? Whites want their trash taken care of as in "Good riddance to bad garbage". If Jerry Sandusky were Black, the highest levels of the Black Establishment would be in denial and screaming about racism by now. As it is, the riot by the addled White Fans was a shameful thing as is the cover up.

Beyond that, the kind of Culture of Vigilance which watches for the Sandusky's of the world is anathema to Liberals. As is the kind of culture that might prevent them from being created. Under the Liberal Reign of Relativity, many men become demoralized and effeminate, and others become more coarse and brutal. The Culture of the Gentleman is neither of these - and has to do with eternal values. Liberalism mocks all this and is then amzazed at the barbarism is produces - and its own inability to resist barbarism from without. The very men who could stop the Islamic Jihad are the very ones that the Liberals of Europe hate the most - far more than the Muslims.

Yo Shecky, I still have some Kodachrome film. It is no longer made but I stocked up. I thought I was a "smart fella", or waz dat a "fart smella"? Anyway, nobody processes it now. I'll sell it to ya cheap! The plastic film cases are good for buds. Oh shit now I am on the watch list again!

Oh man. I'm gonna get hooked on Fred. He said "There are 26 letters in the alphabet. 52 if you count uppercase." Shades of Groucho!

Well I'm sure there is alot you don't know. Some of the oldest skeletons in the Americas are the "not Indian" ones. Many Tribes have stories about White Men who came as Teachers. Google it Quetzlcoatl (sp?) and find out - if you care that is. That's always a question isn't it?

Several giant Red Haired Bodies were find in Spirit Cave - Nevada I think. The local Utes said that they and a Confederacy of other Tribes exterminated the White Giants long ago. And many other White skeletons have been found - the Spirit Cave ones were mummies. You've heard of Kennewick Man I assume? It was buried by the Indians before it could be examined fully. They obviously don't want their pride of place to be put in question.

Very old spear points in the East don't look like other more recent Indian/Siberian workmanship. But look exactly like the Solutrean Culture of Cro-Magnon France. Google Solutrean Hypothesis if you care.
The hypothesis: Cro Magnon Whites came over to America on the Ice during the last Ice Age. But even if they got here first, the Asian migration was much larger and more sustained. So they were ultimately exterminated and/or absorbed by the Indians just as the Greenland Norse were by the Innuit. The Great White Teachers may be a later migration from a more advanced culture and not have anything to do with this. In any case, I admit the evidence for this is not as strong as the evidence for early Caucasians in the Americas. But note: some of the old Maya Pictographs show Whites being sacraficed - long before the Spanish arrival. And the Spanish Conquistadores found some of the Inca Nobles to be more fair skinned than they were.

It took all the space just to say that? You must be kidding, right? Not that I doubt the sentiment of course.

The Burke novels are heavy on eye for an eye social policy- not the most bedwetting stance I have seen. Burke's gang is multi-ethnic, but he acknowledges the racial divisions among underclass gangs and understands that it all starts with family. How one defines family is a question he addresses at length.

The real dividers are 1) economic class and 2) behavior. Baby rapers get their heads cut off with shovels. Reread Vachss and consider the character "Silver," heavy into the Aryan Brotherhood, who reaches out to his brother Burke in his time of need. Maybe it resonates with me because of what I know, from childhood. Evil men are dead for what they did to me and mine.

Recumbents? apparently you have not ridden any, so you have an opinion based upon what others have told you. I ride at eye level with most drivers, so I can read their lips when they cuss me out for my temerity in riding on "their" roads. Hrududist douchebags. I take my lane like any cyclist who knows how to ride in traffic. Our time will come, gas piggies. Try to pull off the shoulder as you sputter to a halt.

Vlad said: "The very men who could stop the Islamic Jihad..."

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Vlad, those men do not exist outside your mind. There is no stopping of the Jihad. Islam is the future. It is inevitable.

La Illaha Illallah Muhammadur Rasullullah!

Too late man, i gone digital. Still like my nice bright colors, gimme the greens of summers... i know where the buttons bloom and the mushies shroom. all the world is still a sunny day, if you know where to look.

"we won't run out of oil any sooner than we run out of oxygen"

Dale, I am not a betting man, but I would take a bet against that, unless you mean essentially zero when you say "so many cars."

"Under the Liberal Reign of Relativity, many men become demoralized and effeminate, and others become more coarse and brutal. The Culture of the Gentleman is neither of these" - Vlad

You gots a lot of 'splaining to do. The Liberal Reign of Relativity? WTF is that. Also, I wonder, where do I fall along this spectrum of LRR-created men, if it is indeed a spectrum? Or is it just merely two points in the two-dimensional plane that is your mind. I suppose the Culture of the Gentleman is something I should aspire to. Does it have me wearing a monocle and smoking a pipe whilst my negro servant Jim shines my Italian loafers.

Really Vlad, only you could start in the mountains of W. Virginia and in less than two paragraphs find yourself smack-dab in the deserts of the Middle East, all the while saying absolutely nothing.

na'al abuk ya majnun

And that's how the Revolution begins - when the State loses a credible monopoly on force. But that doesn't mean the Elite lose - or at least not all of them. After all, OWSers are being funded by Soros and the globalist crowd. The Capitalist Elite love Socialism because it locks everything in place - with them on top. Socialism and Croney Capitalism go hand in hand. That's what the OWSers are protesting for - whether they know it or not.

I wear two monocles. Jim insists.

And how will they treat Saints like the Fire Yogi of Tanjore, Vlad the Studite, and Asoka the Laughing Baba?

Please take the time to watch the video - you'll enjoy it. And I really want to know what you think.

Again, bullshit Vlad. The OWSers, those liberal faggots, are protesting that Texas, amongst other states, are changing their history textbooks to say that the great Mayan temples and cities were really built by pre-Colombian white men.</