Perestroika


     There's a difference, of course, between what this country thinks it needs and what it's going to get.  The world has a way of dragging you, kicking and screaming, to where it wants to take you.
     We think we need more American oil so we can "end our dependence on foreign oil." Despite the PR bullshit you see on CNBC, the oil is not really there in a form that will flow sufficiently to support our completely insane mode of living in cars.  I get letters from crazy people every week who tell me that shale oil from the Bakken Formation in Dakota will keep this racket going. Forget about it. Marcellus shale gas? Similar story. These are phantom energy reserves. And we don't have enough capital to throw at it.
      The world wants to take us to the place where you don't have to use a car eleven times a day, a different arrangement of things on the landscape than what we're currently stuck with in most of the United States. The American people are not disposed to taking this idea seriously, but we'll get to that place eventually. The first kickings and screamings are exactly what's coming out of the Tea Party.  These are people who don't want to change the sacrosanct American Way of Life, but they don't want to have to pay for it either, so the contradiction produces a sound and fury.
     This week, President Obama is on the spot to deliver a Santa Claus sack of "job initiatives." What a sad assignment. We're leaving behind that kind of economy, with secure salaried plug-in positions provided by giant corporations and governments. We're headed into a world not of "jobs" but of vocations, trades, crafts, situations, and a lot of casual labor, largely self-guided by those with who possess a functioning internal compass. Obama can pretend to keep the old way going, but that pretense will be along the same lines as keeping insolvent banks going. The Federal Government can pay people to work repairing highways and bridges but the road system is too big now for even an additional "jobs" crew to stay ahead on maintenance, plus why are we putting these capital and labor resources into gold-plating a car-and-truck system that is going to be functionally obsolete in a few years?
Gorbachev called it right. His aim was true. Perestroika... restructuring. The Soviet Union was thoroughly corrupt, incompetent, and insolvent. I suppose Gorby thought he could guide his country through a transition, but the system he headed was so astonishingly flimsy that it just fell apart in a few months, and even left him behind. Still, I regard it as one of the major miracles of history that Russia did not trip into a bloody civil war. Maybe Russia had enough blood-spilling with Stalin and World War Two. Otherwise, it was a kind of magic moment in 1990 when the whole rotten edifice crumbled neatly into its own grave.
     What followed there was an impromptu and extremely half-assed melding of organized crime, unorganized crime, gestures to the rule of law, and a lot of leftover habits, paranoia, lethargy, and sheer will to live - with an overlay of  mystical oriental intrigue. Russia staggers on with its oil and mineral reserves propping up what remains of modernity there. Their future will arrive on sleds.
     We should be so lucky here. Given the situation, it's not unthinkable that self-styled Texas secessionist Rick Perry could be the next president. On top of that, the guy is a Christian Dominionist nut. This outfit wants to capture all politics, culture, and media in what is now the USA and turn them into a sci-fi nightmare of correct thinking. You have no idea how dangerous and determined this group is. The Left ignores them at the peril of everyone. They are the corn-pone Nazis I've been warning you about.
     That is not the kind of restructuring that is going to help this country. At the moment we're trapped in our own gigantism and the "jobs" pitch is surely going to be just another page out of that. I'd like to hear Mr. Obama tell this country that Job Number One for us is getting more Americans into agriculture at the small, local scale. Translation: dismantle agri-business. Otherwise, we're going to have a lot of starving people across this land. That might seem like a strange destination for America, but I suppose that's why there's all the kicking and screaming.

Post-script: While everybody's eating burgers today, or cleaning the mud out of their kitchen, or playing Resident Evil 5, Europe is on the brink of its own decisive moment. Nobody there can decide what to do about the debt-bomb and the fuse is sparking away. There are no solutions to the problem of the Euro Club, but the idea of no Euro Club is making a lot of Euro people kick and scream. Whatever happens there will affect us hugely, you may be sure.
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Great post today, JHK Couldn't agree with you more. I saw a report on the Bakken oil shale this weekend--there are all kinds of jobs being created with $90k jobs in line and new development for housing etc. Just in this one spot in the country, though. And who's going to get the oil? There's no discussion about the global oil bourse. All those right wingers don't seem to understand that our oil is not nationalized!
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On this Labor Day we are faced with 25 million people out of work and counting...
We also got the most recent numbers for job creation in August and it was 0%.

With all that, the new trade deals with S. Korea, Panama and Colombia will most likely go through which our President O claims to be job creators--trust me they're anything but.
The QE3 will most likely start soon and the interest rates will hover around 0 further destroying the value of the dollar.

The idea of working for a living is being downgraded as well as our currency. We can expect less pay and rising prices, representing real inflation.

Now, the new normal is that many couples have to live in different cities in order to make a living. Oh, and how romantic their moments together will be when they get together after long absences from each other---and telecommunications makes it possible for the father of a family to guide his children as they sit around the monitor. Reminds me of the armed forces in faraway lands. There's that positive spin on a real downer reality.

The corporations (the people) have become so used to always winning, that capitalism is for the most part dead. I was watching Sunday Morning on CBS with a story about how the big corps are sitting on $2 Trillion, not being injected into our economy, but used instead for speculation and global investments. When asked why they won't invest in the US they said things were too uncertain. They don't know what the taxes will be like, they don't know what the healthcare expenses will be. Or what the political climate will be. The interviewer asked with the changing elections every 4 years, isn't that always the case?
--Well they don't want to take a risk.... Of course when it comes to speculative bubbles, they're all for risk, knowing all the while that the little people will bail them out to the tune of $Trillions. There are never any consequences for that and so that's a good profit for them.

The take home message is that in a capitalist system people are supposed to want to do business and take some risk.
But this no risk paradigm where you can never lose, is the new corporate culture--and it's global. Remember the Sovereign Wealth funds that expect to make a profit on the public holdings of this country. Like highways, parking meters etc.

Yes, they love the free trade, which is anything but after all, slave labor is so lucrative, along with money exchanges, that you really can't expect this culture to change. With a government that no longer wants to impose any restrictions and regulations we should consider this to be the regressive era. Wait till you see how O will set-up the restructuring of taxes from progressive to flat. Steve Forbes' dream, as he wants to clean up on the privatization of Greece--working hard there, Steve. (must be the revenge of the nerd.)

What a field day the 0 sum gamers will have with that. Say hello to the new American Royalty and the debt slaves under them. Lets just say we will become a neo-feudal state. Looks like the rest of the world is following suit.

They also talked about how we are rebuilding the World Trade Ctr., but China is building 40 larger structures as we speak. I call this "Trading Places". Mr. Kissinger made a killing in the transition. Only the calculus of change will hit and make those who always have to win reconsider this crazy system. What will change is that we will have less revenues to run a military and when that happens we shall see who is the superpower. We'll see who rules the China sea or more of the world.

As Orwell said "Sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality, usually on a battlefield."

James, I understand that the French and Italians are fighting over rights to the oil in Libya before Uncle Sam lays his claim. In the meantime, Dick Cheney is threatening to explode heads all over Washington. What a clusterfuck nation we have.
http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/in-my-time-the-week-heads-exploded-all-over-washington/

Ron Paul is a racist and a Republican who has received government money most of his life,

Regarding Europe my brother does a lot of work- related travelling, particularly in Germany. He says the euro is done...the German people are sick of subsidizing their poorer cousins and it will not go on indefinitely. I don't know how it will end but I would bet heavily that it will shortly.

We also got the most recent numbers for job creation in August and it was 0%.
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So now CFN believes the numbers?

Jim: The Soviet Union avoided civil war because it broke up into its fifteen constituent republics, each organized around a nationality, of which the Russian Federation was the largest. The most successful of these successor states have been the Baltic republics, because of their proximity to Scandinavia and Germany; least successful have been the Central Asian states. The violence has been within republics, as minority nationalities have sought their own independence, of which the Chechens of Russia are the most tragic example. If you substitute race for nationality, and if the U.S. breaks apart along those lines, it will not be pretty at all.

Ron Paul does sound intriguing, but everyone ought to read this piece on Paul, plus the comments...:http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/08/27-1

Where's Abbie Hoffman when ya need him?

Oh James, though the news may be frightening, it's never what it seems!

http://www.gwabert.com/

Addendum to previous post on the dormant rail branch line rebuild- Balkanization (splitting up into regional or tribal/ethno regions is in store for America without comprehensive railway linkage.

The July 10, 1838 "Post Roads Act" of the US Congress declared ALL Railroads designated as "POST ROADS", Guarantors of Societal & Commercial Cohesion. This early decision was instrumental groundwork, foundational for an America that enjoyed lending not borrowing nation status, until VietNam. Indonesion oil, you see...

I predict that this rotten, stinking, corrupt, morally dishonest POS 'country' is going to "get" just what it deserves, and SOON.

America already beginning to get what it deserves with that clown cavalcade also known as the "Executive Branch" which turns out to be no more than a gang of greedy bought-and-paid-for lying shills pimping for their crooked grifting masters, when not on vacation at taxpayers expense, in my opinion.

When the German people vote to tell Merkel (sp?) to go F* ck herself this week about them bailing out the rest of the useless euro broke nations, she will have a BIG decision to make, she loses either way and so does what left of Joe Palookaville the late not-so-great USA. Look for savers, retirees, unemployed and the poor here to take another ferocious financial beat down, much to the delight of 'elected officials'.

Just like the Federal Reserve and the Central Banks want it.

Imagine what will happen when Detroit or East Saint Loius goes out of control with a pissed off, broke, humiliated and hungry populace on the rampage, with sharpend pitchforks...

Europe is in the process of realizing that the Euro was just a fantasy, a sort of joint concoction that was to unite all of the formerly sovereign nations in to one big happy family.

What the architects forgot was the undoing of the grand experiment. You see, the architects forgot that cultures will not change overnight. Greek culture is deeply ingrained in the DNA of her occupants, just as Austrian culture is ingrained in Austrians.

The Eurozone was destined to fail the day it was conceived. When it falls, the tremors will topple what remains of the US financial edifice, taking with it most of what we call luxury.

We are to embark on a road of trials, exercises in survival if you will, that will test whether or not Americans still "have it", or if we have become what I see so often on the idiot box when I turn it on.

Jim, I too have a very dystopian view of the world and see darkness on the horizon. I have been preparing for it the best I can for some time now. Where i used to talk to my colleagues and friends about self usfficience, I now keep quiet. Many more folks are waking up to the reality we face and they are afraid.

Too many fat, lazy and entitled people have been permitted to become accustomed to receiving the largess of the taxpayer through a benevolent Uncle Sugar to even understand it when it happens. They will be angry when they are cut off, and they will do something about it.

Jim, I do not fear living a simple life, growing food and tending chickens, I fear those who have never had to do for themselves.

AOUM.

ditto remarks of ibendet
Great Post!

Thank You!

Well said James,
As for my cynical thoughts on the how exxon is the big winner and russia is the big loser in the Exxon-Russia arctic deal, please read here:

http://subversesjournal.wordpress.com/2011/08/30/the-umbrella-corporation-on-the-top-of-the-world/

Our harassed, in over his head President and his clueless advisors think they are still running Chicago. So it seems...

Additional to local rail branch rail lines as strategic national unifiers, attention must be paid to recharging several large aquifers in North America, to assure adequate food production. As Jim K notes, smaller scale farm practice must be part of the Post Carbon solution set. Recharged aquifers like California's Central Valley Aquifer, and the giant midwest Ogalalla Aquifer are seriously depleted. Recharging these crucial water resources shall save untold amounts of energy needed to pump from ever- deeper water tables.

See NAWAPA (North American Water And Power Alliance). For the dormant rail corridor near you, see circa 1950 or prior "OFFICIAL GUIDE of US Railroads, and see index for your town and other places nearby. Talk to big shippers like Wal-Mart and the local postmaster about Peak Oil and railway as viable distribution methodology in motor fuel allocation era.

Russia avoided outright starvation after the fall of communism because Soviet industrial farming NEVER really worked as was intended....or claimed. Most Russians kept little plots in the countryside where they planted various crops and kept livestock. In addition, banks did not own the drab concrete apartment blocks most Russians lived in. After the breakup, people just stayed where they were. After the fall of communism, most Russians were able to survive on a subsistence level. They had basic skills that allowed them to grow food, heat their apartments and fix the old Lada.

How about your average American? How many Americans can grow potatoes of repair their behemoth SUV's? And what happens when they can't pay the note or property taxes on their vinyl clad wonders in particleboard estates?

As for Europe, it will realign along its pre-WWI affiliations......with some notable exceptions. As it stands now, the largest bank in Austria also happens to be the largest bank in Slovenia, Croatia, Hungary and the Czech Republic...in other words, the old Austro-Hungarian Empire. The Germans are increasing their influence on their traditional stomping grounds to the East. The notable exceptions are Russia. This time the Russians seem more interested in making nice with Germany instead of the US/UK, both of whom screwed the Russians after the fall of communism.

Well said about Rick Perry and what he represents:

"This outfit wants to capture all politics, culture, and media in what is now the USA and turn them into a sci-fi nightmare of correct thinking. You have no idea how dangerous and determined this group is. The Left ignores them at the peril of everyone."

I've been saying this for years. No, the Dominionists are not the majority of Evangelicals, but in 1930s Germany, lots of ordinary Germans got behind Hitler. I am not certain, but I'd hazard a guess that the SA and SS were not even a majority of the Nazi Party membership.

Why our media is not smacking down people who say "the Earth is 6,000 years old" every time they say it is beyond me.

I'm just happy that the populace in the US is armed. When the Cornpone Nazis try to enact their barbarism, folks will shoot back or shoot their way through the checkpoints while fleeing to Canada.

Obama has lost every shred of cred he might once have had. The GOP puppet masters must be just be laughing their asses off; "Hey, let's see if we can get The Boy to cancel his speech -- and maybe do a little tap dance, too!"

I mention this because it informs this week's "big jobs speech." That is, no one will watch, no one will pay attention. Of course, it also begs the question; weren't jobs a priority last year?

Basically all is lost for Obama. I wish he'd cast off his victimhood and thrash the GOP, biut that will not happen, of course.

And yes, Jim, the dominionist threat is real, from Rick Perry to nutty Tom Coburn. Where is the HUAC when you need it, 'cause I believe these folks are. real and present danger to our nation. Of course, things are such a mess that it might not matter in the end.....


Ron Paul's a "racist" in your opinion because he does not subscribe to the same sociological conventions drummed into your head in the last thirty years that you do.
He has received government money "all his life" because he has served in the military and congress.

I agree, he's a nightmare when it comes to the environment and healthcare...but what have we gotten from the Democrats sir?

The most important thing for Americans is to reform our economy and our foreign policy. Without those reforms, the environment and health care won't matter much anyway.

Monsieur Jim,
Exceptional entry! I'll spread this one around to a few of the blinkered yeast-people, but won't hope for much "restructuring" resulting.

Thanks for another incisive diary excerpt on the time-line to collapse.

Right on the money Jim. Recently I've had a great deal of contact with the public doing 400 haircuts per month working 55 hours a week in what is tantamount to the "casual labor" you mention and when I mention the concept of peak oil, or that gasoline is expensive for the simple reason that we are running out of it, nearly everyone replies something to the effect of "I don't believe in that crap". In other words, these men whose favorite topic of conversation is which auto company builds the best pickup trucks simply cannot conceive of a world without cheap abundant oil. To a man they all believe that we'll be able to tweak the system to keep the pumps running for another 200 years!

The ads currently being run by Exxon extolling the Alberta tar sands are beyond theatre of the absurd. Relying on such a source for fuel has to be on a rough par with the South African reliance on liquified coal during their apartheid regime days of the oil embargo against them. After all, such methods of fuel production produce untold tons of waste products ranging from massive water pollution to perhaps 7 tons of carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere for every ton of fuel produced.

Although I do believe that it is conceivable that fuel substitutes will be produced long term the notion that such supplies will be sufficient to continue the currently oversized fleet of privately owned vehicles, both in terms of gross number of vehicles as well as individual sizes of same, has to be little more than a pipe dream of the die-hard gearhead lunatic fringe. Look for tiny little ultra-light motor bikes, tricycles of the sort favored by the elderly, limited in carrying capacity and top speed, running on precious and dear vegetable oil produced by single celled sea creatures, and basically nobody commuting across entire counties any more, or on the rare occasions when they do getting rained on in an open cabin while dodging pot-holes too numerous to be counted by a tax starved government which is withering away, another prediction of Karl Marx who saw the state going the way of the dinosaurs.


0% job creation is actually a negative number since the tide of immigrants from Central America means that we need over 3000 new jobs a day just to stay at the same level of job creation as population increase entering the workforce.

Governor Brown is ready to sign the California Dream Act which will legally mandate that illegal aliens that manage to graduate high school have the same access to public and private scholarships, loans, grants and in state tuition breaks for residents. All students in California public colleges and universities are already paying outrageous tuition to subsidize this group. Now it's official.
Expect tens of millions of extra children to be smuggled north across the U.S. border.

Yeah, yeah, I know, we are a nation of immigrants and the Indians were here first...We were a nation of immigrants when there was open land, water, timber and a pressing need for labor and settlement. The boat is full and is sinking.

Greetings from the UK - where we are currently watching our currencies and the EU go bankrupt in slow-motion. Like a good zombie they just refuse to die.

Anyway, I see Dakota shale oil mentioned again along with the Alberta tar sands. Sorry people, that's not for the likes of you an I. That will remain largely unexploited and be held as the US Military's Startegic Reserve (for want of a better description).

Come a rainey day when western civilisation is falling apart and foreign oil is expensive and scarce, in order to keep the Military rolling and enable it to fulfil it's prime objectiver - the defence of the homeland, that's when it will be extracted with gusto.

Perceptive comments, LB.

We'll see just how the world turns [in it's entirety] when the uber-capitalistas get their fondest desires fulfilled. Like yourself and others, I don't believe it will be a lovely thing to behold.

Print media is all but snuffed out, replaced by a turbocharged blizzard of mostly bullshit. People don't know what's happening to them, so they'll turn to whoever eases their uncertainty. Kunstler suggests that those in power admit we need to deal with permanent contraction. That would take an admission of guilt about all the treasure we've squandered, and nobody has the stomach for that.

The boat is full and is sinking.
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No, neither is the case. Not full. Not sinking. Immigrants are net contributors. Welcome them.

"This outfit wants to capture all politics, culture, and media in what is now the USA and turn them into a sci-fi nightmare of correct thinking."

And how, exactly, is this different from what the left wants to do? (Er, has almost already done.)

If we should have the misfortune of electing Perry (or any establishment candidate), I predict that nothing you've said about him will prove to be true.

You do great, Mr. Kunstler, but only when you check your innate leftism at the door.

Cantaloupe season is done and I will not eat another til next August. Time to prepare for garlic planting, and to harvest winter squash. Three years ago I spoke with an Ag. Prof. At local junior college about developing a course on small ag..... He looked at me like I was from Mars. My impression was that he could not conceive of agriculture without a big John Deere and GPS. The USDA had/has a program of subsidizing the cost of high tunnel hoop house to extend growing season for small growers in exchange for keeping production records to share with USDA, which tells me that the gov. Is aware of the coming need for small, local ag.


You forgot that the Soviet Union also had magnificent
ground based public transit in place which along with the garden plots and publicly owned housing allowed the average guy to survive. It will be interesting to see how the "public housing" in America does when there is no maintenance or power.

Yeah, read that if you if you want to be manipulated by idiot progressives, that hold sacrosanct identity politics of the 60's, to be herded into the useless, corporate Democratic camp. What about the 60's values of anti-war, end of the drug war and anti-establishmentism?(Ron Paul is campaigning literally as the anti-establishment candidate) You would think progressives would get behind Ron Paul for those things, concluding he was the way lesser of 2 evils because just possibly the was some extremely specious evidence that he had some out there Christian beliefs. Given his rigorous adherence to the Constitution they would not be an issue, unless he was mendacious as 0bama. If you think progressive values, many of which I share, are going to come about in the monolithic, totally owned Federal Gov't you are totally deluded. The only hope is that that pig will be gutted and things will revert to local control. Ron Paul is the only ticket there. If you think it is more important that Steve can marry Larry anywhere and abortions are readily available in Wichita than a corrupt, evil, unsustainable Federal Gov't keep ragging on Ron Paul and play right into the hand of the status-quo. 0bama and his ilk won't take a stand on gay marriage for political expedience and abortions are pretty much not available in Wichita anyways.


"Immigrants are net contributors"

Got a citation to that? Got any numbers?
Or is this just another multicultural mouth virus that spreads?

Mexican women have more children here than Americans, Black or White do, or for that matter Mexican women in Mexico do.

Our school systems in California are groaning under the weight of children who speak next to no English, require special education, whose parents IF they are legal have large families, send most of their income home to Mexico and thus remove it from our local economies,who have none of the work ethic of their parents and end up being a drain on the criminal justice system as they affiliate with various gangs. "Net Contribution"?

Illegals lower the wage levels for working Americans, have no concept of privacy, civil rights, expectation of the reforms of the New Deal, buy nothing but cheap food, live off the castoffs and old cars and clothing of private charities given by Americans, export large amounts of tools and goods out of the U.S. by the truckload when going home, thus removing that from the pool available to poor Americans, and have zero allegiance to this country. "Net Contribution?"

I think You and I could agree that the Wall Street and Federal Reserve parasites are doing far more damage at the national level, but the local Democratic Party is not out actively and hypocritically beating the drum for them at the street level like they are in California.

Peace

Would like to reiterate a point to all the progressives who talk about a need for a local economy. How can you support or excuse the mass importation of illegals who send all their savings and cash out of our local economies to some village in Central America? They will continue to do that as long as they are here and whether they are legalized or not.

If you think it is more important that Steve can marry Larry anywhere and abortions are readily available in Wichita...

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You have at once dismissed the happiness of millions of couples in love, and you have dismissed the legal, constitutional right of women ... by putting concern about the Fed first, due to a paranoia over "monolithic, totally owned Federal Gov't"

Love of money over love of people. All driven by fear (resulting in threats, violence, and intolerance).

P.S. Abortion is perfectly legal in Wichita, and the rest of the country. Abortion should be federally subsidized with zero co-pay.

The post by Fissile is right on. I go to Ukraine every year and am always amazed at the industrousness and inventiveness of the ordinary people. Small agriculture is alive and well there (even though big western firms are buying up huge tracts of land) and people jury-rig their equipment and machines to keep them operative. There are NO fat people in Ukraine and their food is by-and-large natural and fresh.
I am always shocked by Mr. Kuntsler's adherence to the left-wing agenda, even though I share his apprehensions about a rightist takeover. He frets about Mr. Perry's crowd taking over our politics, culture and media. Well, what does he thinks the leftist power elite has done over the last century, including elitists in the Republican Party. And, I assure you, that if you want to be "correct" in this culture you had better understand the not-so-subtle nuances of race, religion and gender. His concern about corn-pone nazis apparently does not extend to corn-pone communists. For those, see above comments on the ravages to Ukraine from corn-pone leftism.
And I couldn't agree more with laceration. The denigration of Ron Paul by both the left and right is a real wonder. Of what are they so afraid - real hope and change?

Many studies have shown immigrants are net contributors.

Economic Report of the President (2005), ch. 4, www.gpoaccess.gov/eop/2005/2005_erp.pdf

You want hard numbers?

The foreign-born are associated with much of the employment growth in recent years. Between 1996 and 2003, when total employment grew by 11 million, 58 percent of the net increase was among foreign-born workers.

Immigrants pay taxes, create jobs, and grow the economy.

I think you are spreading an anti-multicultural mouth virus with your "full and sinking" metaphor. It just ain't true.

"The most important thing for Americans is to reform our economy and our foreign policy. Without those reforms, the environment and health care won't matter much anyway."

You have this completely bass-ackward. If you're dead from nuclear fallout, no breathable air, no clean water to drink, no crops - in a word, a bad environment, you are dead and so is the economy.

Creating millions of jobs for dead people is really not a viable solution. Letting large corporations kill the planet is not so smart either. Unfettering business to further its depredations isn't a good idea.

Odd, all this talk of Russia and its collapse without a mention of Dmitri Orlov and his book, Reinventing Collapse.

He explains in great detail and with great humor how the Soviet Union devolved peacefully, and why the U.S. won't.

laceration writes:

" You would think progressives would get behind Ron Paul for those things, concluding he was the way lesser of 2 evils because just possibly the was some extremely specious evidence that he had some out there Christian beliefs."

With all due respect, Ron Paul's bid is not contingent upon progressive support; it's contingent upon support from those in his own party. The better question is why those in his own party do not support him? To face facts: Ron Paul might as well be Ralph Nader and the average elephant, a donkey.

AIN'T that odd though?
As an avid reader of Mr. Orlov, thanks for mentioning that. (I'm sure JHK keeps in touch, also.)

Yow!
Don't bother us with those big-picture, long-view realities. I'd rather talk about how a bunch of illegal immigrants who soon will have no jobs are takin' our jobs! Ummmmm..... oh. ;o)

Ron Paul is the only hope you Yankees have. I saw the stupidity of US Fiscal policy during Ron Paul's last run for election and bought gold.

I am really glad i did. got a box full of gold coins that have quadrupled in value. Thanks Ron and Jim for waking me up.

Jim, you fail to emphasize the effect religion, esp all the versions of Christianity, has on keeping Americans dumb, and proud to be dumb.

I havent commented here in months. Im glad I tuned in today to discover that the Tea Party's rapacious demand for oil is the root of all american evil. Of course libs never drive or heat their homes, use petroleum based products or cook anything. And Al Gore doesnt own a 10 million square foot house and blah blah blah. The parties are slaves to the same masters. When are we going to break free of this joke and present a united front against the plundering plutocrats?

I actually did start the farm, got the chickens and chilled out; just harvested my sweet potatoes. Could I make it without the grocery store yet? No. But I get better at it each year. ANd this spring, I will start my beehive and figure out how to keep trout around in my creek. (tripp, if you read this, I know, I know, im dragging on this point)
The shit may hit the fan any minute, but Ive invested all I intend to emotionally on this subject. Now its just live for each day and remember all the little beauties contained in each.

wishing everyone at CFN a *insert your best outcome here* labor day

Scared of Rick Perry!?!? Who we have in there now and his lib pals, like "kill whitey" black panthers and the racist Maxine Waters, are a hell of a lot more to worry ! Talk about unrest...wait until the free lunches that they've given out for generations to keep themselves in power, run out because we're broke! We'll see how all these Dem controlled inner cities break out in riots and muggings...you know, like Chicago and Philly "flash mobs" now! Funny how all the cities that are in the worst shape, have been run by socialist, big gov policies, Dem controlled, strewn with more corruption than one can imagine...ie. Detroit, and yet "progressives" still try to make a case for more free money give aways to turn things around...what a joke!

"...wishing everyone at CFN a *insert your best outcome here* labor day" -MDC

Why, thanks!
And, that would be: a "drunken" labor day!
All the Bestest,
-the prone guy

I've been talking about the pathological evangelical disease for over a decade. Agree with everything but the postscript.

Maybe Orlov was not mentioned because Orlov is a fatalist who thinks we are victims of resource depletion, catastrophic climate change, and political impotence. Why mention someone who offers no solutions?

What remedies does Orlov offer?

I think Jim writes a very good article and is right most of the time.

I also think that the Tea Party has made the Republicans look so ridiculous and unreasonable with their the wealthy should be exempt from taxation mantra that President Obama, (who has done a lousy job), is going to get re elected.

I'm glad to see Jim call out Perry and the Dominionists for what they are--corn-pone fascists who have appeared in America exactly as Upton Sinclair predicted, carrying a cross and wrapped in the flag. In fact, I'm glad that he used the word Dominionist at all. It turns out that it's only the second time he has in this blog, the first being more than four years ago. I bet a lot of you weren't reading him back then. I know I wasn't. I made the mistake of having a copy of "The End of Suburbia" back in 2005 and not watching it. When I finally saw it in 2008, I realized how its predictions were coming true. I now show it to my students, who get a good dose of Jim and his fellow Peak Oilers. Their message give them the chills.

A good chunk of the Left is taking the Dominionists seriously. People on Daily Kos have been writing about them for at least five years. In fact, two of the most read diaries yesterday were about Dominionists and the long-term threat they pose to democracy. That fear is one of the reasons that a lot of people on the Left are scared out of their wits by Perry (and Bachmann and Palin). Now, if only the Democratic Party leadership would listen to the DFHs. The hippies have been right before.

I didn't blog about any of the above at Crazy Eddie's Motie News this week. Instead, the most serious political news I discussed was how the local planning commission stuck by their New Urbanist master plan and rejected the site plan of a Kroger that wanted a typical suburban location with a massive parking lot in front of its store. The supermarket wouldn't comply with the master plan, so no store. Even though the decision cost the city a lot in revenues, the residents are generally happy about it. The kicker is that the store would have moved into a vacant car dealership. There's something appropriate about finding a new pedestrian-friendly use for a place that used to sell automobiles.

http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

If you live in a city, especially a diverse one, you are so screwed in a Kunstler style collapse. Yet, in rural America, you will be screwed as well. Farmers don't grow gardens; most would not know anymore about it than someone living in the concrete environs of Boston. There has got to be a punchline to this joke.

"wait until the free lunches that they've given out for generations to keep themselves in power, run out because we're broke!"

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Desert Dawg, you do not really believe we are broke. That is just a right-wing talking point.

If we were really broke, all the VA hospitals would shut down, soldiers would not get a paycheck, weapons systems would not be funded.

You don't really believe that is happening, or will ever happen, do you?

We are not broke. The money did not disappear. It's just getting redistributed thanks to Reagan/Clinton/Bush/Obama/etc

All the money is going to the top 1% and they get subsidies and pay little if any taxes. The wealth gap is getting larger and larger. TAX THE RICH ... at least at the level of Ronald Reagan: 39%, but better at the level of the Eisenhower administration.

When Eisenhower was president (1953-1961) the top income tax rate was 91%. I remember the 1950's, and economically things weren't so bad. Of course, a 91% tax rate on the rich guaranteed we had revenue and could pay our debts.

Thank You James and thnx to those that post! A lot of anger would disapear if we were slower to label each other. Most of our philosphies and beliefs are more complex than just one label. For instance I am socially liberal and fiscally conservative.
Lastly two questions for the board; 1)If a person believes there will be excessive inflation in the near future wouldn't it be a good plan to set aside 500 or so(?) silver ounces to pay off the mortgage in a few years? 2) With the hand writing on the wall regarding peak oil does anyone else find it interesting that Boeing and Airbus continue to recieve billions of dollars worth of new airplane orders from the airline industry?

There IS no SOLUTION to the current situation. If you think there is one, you are either retarded or not paying attention. There are only STRATEGIES for dealing with what is about to happen, some of which Orlov has mentioned either in his book or his blog (as has Kunstler). All any of us can do is pick a strategy and hope we're right when TSHTF. Most of us will be wrong, and consequently probably dead.

I suppose the full meaning of "go local" escapes you or you disagree with it. Progressives, just as the Christian Right want to impose their values on everyone. You cannot just pick and choose. I am sure you are for local agriculture. The fact is in places like OK, UT, etc., people overwhelmingly do not want abortion. I myself do not think it should be illegal but think this issue is a canard and very corrosive to the body politic as is gay marriage. The solution to that is to have the Gov't not involved in the institution of marriage at all. This is the way it has been until recent history.

Don't you think reforming foreign policy would be more likely to stop potential nuclear war than saving the environment and stopping reproductive freedom?

"If you think there is one, you are either retarded or not paying attention."

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Respectfully, I am not retarded and I am paying attention. Perhaps you are not paying attention to possible solutions for future energy?

Konarka and NanoSolar both offer ultra-cheap solar panel technologies, vastly cheaper than coal. Last time I checked the numbers, NanoSolar had $800m of investment and $4.2 billion dollars of pre-orders. Konarka was talking about a long-term goal of $0.10 per watt production costs (5% of the current silicon cell $2/watt) and NanoSolar was talking about $0.30 a watt somewhat sooner. There’s no clear limit on scaling these technologies once they deliver.

Otherwise, we're going to have a lot of starving people across this land.

Which made me recall something I read recently. We're not the first bloom of yeast people. Plenty of other yeast cultures have come before us and now rot forgotten in history's unread pages.

As fuel has become food (petrocalories) the following analogy applies quite directly.

In 1845 Ireland it was all about potatoes not oil. Potatoes doubled Ireland's population and then the prosperity bubble it brought burst and the people starved.

From The Botany of Desire by Michael Pollan

Contemporary accounts of the potato famine read like visions of hell: streets piled with corpses no one had the strength to bury, armies of near naked beggars who'd pawned their clothes for food, abandoned houses, deserted villages, Disease followed on famine: typhus, cholera, and purpura raced unchecked through the weakened population. People ate weeds, ate pets, ate human flesh. "The roads are beset with tattered skeletons," one witness wrote. "God help the people"

I don't see much difference from the monoculture of potatoes then and the monoculture of oil we have now. Believing in infinite substitution, phantom energy reserves or American oil isn't merely ignorant, its dangerous.


In total agreement with Asoka, despite our differences on illegals. There is PLENTY of money in this country. It's just held by the wrong people and is spent on the wrong things and most importantly of all, is created in the wrong way.

Why can't the Treasury create money at zero percent interest and loan it directly to small businesses instead of a private bank creating it and lending it to billionaires at taxpayer expense? Google "greenbacks",
"Money as debt"
and
"The Secret of Oz"

Mr. Kunstler --

Since you have so many great ideas about how the country should be going, why don't you give up on hawking your books and run for office? In other words, why not try to use your cleverness to do some good for everyone, not just yourself. Maybe then, that crowd of "Right On Jimbo" leftists that follow you would have something to really be proud of. I mean, why not take a stand and try to be somebody, instead of just a lot of repetitive noise. Bet you're too chickenshit to do it.

"Progressives, just as the Christian Right want to impose their values on everyone."

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Progressives want freedom of choice. That is not the same as "imposing values on everyone."

I want two people in love to have the freedom to marry. The Christian Right does not.

I want a woman to have control over her own body. The Christian Right does not.

If you don't want an abortion, that is your freedom. Progressives won't bother you. If you want to marry someone of the opposite sex, that is your freedom. Progressives won't bother you. Just don't try to impose your values on others and limit their freedom.

Totally agree with you, WestCoast, even though we disagree on other things.

North Dakota's unemployment rate has been below 5% since 1987. The state's per capita income rose over the last decade from 38th in the nation to 17th, the biggest advance of any state.

North Dakota has a state bank! The Bank of North Dakota is the only state-owned bank in America — what Republicans might call socialism.

North Dakota also earned a record profit last year even as its private-sector corollaries lost billions.

Socialism works! (even in the USA)

You are correct. American's are far too stupid to elect Ron Paul. Even some on this forum, who you have to give credit for being way beyond the usual blather, for being here. If beyond all expectation, Paul has a chance by the time the primary is here, I'll have to hold my nose and register Repub.

"I don't see much difference from the monoculture of potatoes then and the monoculture of oil we have now. Believing in infinite substitution, phantom energy reserves or American oil isn't merely ignorant, its dangerous." -k-dog

'Zactly. This is why I don't respond to some folk. To do so acknowledges that they have points worthy of argument and rumination.
They simply don't.

Great book by Pollan, BTW.
(The revelation that apples never "come true" from seed, is a fascinating one! I now want to visit the apple forests of Khazakstan.... or however you spell that. ;o)

Howdy MDC, You state: "And Al Gore doesnt own a 10 million square foot house and blah blah blah."

Holy jumping jesus a 230 acre HOUSE! Those Gores must be able to throw one hell-of-a party.

SNAFU

Yes, let the States decide - that would be real diversity AND what the Founders intended. As for marriage, get the State out of it. Then men might actually begin to committ again, safe from being thrown out of their homes, robbed of their life earnings (not just those made during the marriage), and denied access to their children by spurious abuse charges made by serial hypergamous wives who are trying to "find themselves" (trade up).

If the State wants to sanction gay marriage or legal partnership, and any Straigts want to hang on to "traditional marriage" (nothing traditional about contract breakers taking everything (70+ divorces initiated by women)), then let them. Smart men are getting out and if the Churches are smart they will support them. Women will follow, reluctantly. Doing the right thing isn't a big priority with most of them, but not being alone is and having children is.

So if there was no apple, what did Satan tempt Eve to eat? The Moonies say it was a Pear. And is not a woman so shaped? Was the original sin lesbianism? No wonder Adam fell so hard!

Describe the process please. I have crab trees, how can I mutate them into apps?

The solution for the Euro zone is "all debts are void". Start again and this time do not lend money to the southern nations.

'My name is Rick and if you don't buleve in JEsus
and if you don't give yo money to the church where you're registered, then you need to go to one of our 50 or so re-education camps, boy. You a liberal or one of them thar libertarians or is it unitarians, or maybe moonies, whatever, boy? You need re-education, boy. Ya hear me BOY?'

JK is right on target. The corn pone Nazi's are here, NOW. And the liberals are too caught up in their own totalitarian fantasies, of wealth redistribution, pathetic and ineffectual attempts at "saving the environment," and political correctness, to recognize it. Most of them laugh and make fun of the new Nazi's, just like the people of Munich and Berlin did of the cartoon like character, Hitler. Look how that turned out.

The true libertarians are too fearful of the, actually ineffectual liberals, to take a stand against and confront the corn pone Nazi's who have usurped much of the libertarian veneer without accepting, much less digesting, the underlying concepts. Just like the opposition parties in 1930's Germany, where many groups held their noses and allied with the Nazi's due to their fear of the tiny number of powerless communists. Here we go again.

History does not repeat, but it sure as hell rhymes. Anyone want to guess how this turns out?

TGIM. Thank you again for the insight JHK. I was in Russia for a short time in 1992 and then again in 1996. The housing, transportation, and resource distribution systems did function well enough. Reality will indeed greet us kicking and screaming or smiling and stroling.

Nice week's work, JHK.
I think you've got the main ideas of the US collapse scenario down. Only the time line - and the possible identities of the main groups of political actors - remains in question.

And we might want to look forward to something happening quickly - to make the US less attractive to all those legal immigrants that continue to come in - at the astonishing rate of 100,000 per month.

Because a collapse 15 years from now - with a US population over 400,000,000 - is going to be even worse.

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Ozone, Lpat, BuckStud, AMR, Vlad, Bill, BustinJ - several others.
I left some ideas for you on last week's CF thread.

Lots of us on the Left like Ron Paul. He's an honest man, and he lacks the venom that has poisoned his son.

I may disagree with Paul's views on many issues (in particular environmental issues) yet he is the sort of minimalist who might manage contraction, if JHK is correct.

And I think that JHK is right about the looming encounter between fatso America and resource depletion. But Paul is too far outside the political spectrum of the GOP to win nomination--he's the real thing, not a follower of the Tea Party's faux Libertarianism that is little more than a cloak for that flag-draped cross.

Given Obama's inability to govern, I can only say "pity for Ron Paul." The rotten system would devour him, too.

michael you need to bone-up on a little real history the "left" has never had any real power and there is no liberal control of any significant media.

None of the drill-baby-drill nimrods have the slightest idea of how the oil market works. Who is going to drill -- the US government (that would be Socialism) -- the Little Sisters of the Poor? No, it will be drilled by giant multi-national corporations who couldn't give a rat's ass about the people of the US.

They will drill the oil, load it into boats, and sell it to the highest bidder (China). If the supply of oil gets too low or the world supply gets too high, then oil producing countries will just clamp down on the spigots and keep things where they can make the most money.

So, drilling in the Arctic, the Everglades, or Central Park will make the oil companies richer and endanger the environment, but won't mean more oil or lower prices for the people of the US.

It's a pipe dream planted in the minds of Teabaggers and other useful idiots by the oil companies.

Greetings,

President Eisenhower probably said it best:
“In preparing for battle I have always found that plans are useless, but planning is indispensable.”

I know that a lot of people are making plans and putting them into action - growing gardens, purchasing gold, joining the tea party, etc.

Doing these things provides for some good training in self sufficiency. But, as Moltke said: "No plan of operations extends with any certainty beyond the first contact with the main hostile force."

Anyone foolish enough to think that some gold or a garden is going to save them will be in for a big surprise. Think about it, what if the ability to travel 30 miles a day on foot is what decides who gets to live? Then all of your gold and your garden will be useless.

"I have never had a plan of operations." Napoleon

The fact is, no one really knows what trait will be desirable. Think Germany 1945. Who could have guessed in 1930 what skills, traits or luck would enable them to survive the ordeal that was right in front of them? Jewish? Not good. Of military age? Not good. Live in a big city? Not good. Communist? Not good. Homosexual? Not good.

Finally, I plan too. I practice taking my home (a sailboat) out on the ocean. I practice going North (Canada) and I practice going South (Mexico) and I practice making my way out to the desert islands as well. But, the thing that gets us may well come from the ocean and I never forget that.

I believe you've outlined that succinctly enough that even a Palinite could understand it! Nicely done. (They're not gonna like that "useful idiot" appellation, but too bad, it y'am what it y'am.)

Perry is not the Corn Pone King we have been waiting for. He's radically pro immigration - another George Bush. And he signed a hate crime bill that makes Whites into 2nd class citizens. He is dangerous because he's obviously the choice of the Neo Cons and their paid media. And then they express amazemento over his popularity - as if they have nothing to do with it.

People will vote for whomever the most noise is being made about. Democracy is a joke by and large.

We must wait a little longer.

I mean isn't the Corn Pone King so beloved of the Liberals supposed to be an Anti-Semetic, Nationalist, "Isolationist"? Are any of the potential Kings and Queens in this mold? Most are them are fervent Christian Zionists who all but worship Israel and the Jews. They will not bring home the troops, regardless of what they say - anymore than Obama has done.

You're being had, boys and girls. Again. As Lenin said, the best way to defeat an opposition is to lead it.

Vote Ron Paul if you have to vote. He wont win but at least your hands will be clean. He can't win because the Media, including the paid opposition, Fox, wont make enough noise about him. And alot of the noise they do make will be negative.

I was shopping at the local mega-mart grocery store this week when I went to buy pineapple and pumpkin pie. Apparently the're both out of season, but I thought to myself, when will be the last time I get to eat exotic foods? I live in Canada and the prospect of eating pineapple at all in any season is remote if (when) international trade collapses.

I think part of the problem we face is that the economy is like a giant sports game. Except everytime a new game gets played, they don't reset the score clock. After awhile the winners are winning by such a large margin that it becomes impossible for the losers to ever catch up. What we need is a reset of the score card to zero, then start the game again with everyone on the same footing. I think a reset of all money wealth to zero, (Which could happen with a currency collapse or hyperinflation), where everyone is at least for awhile equal, will keep the games going for quite a bit longer.

In the meanwhile, cherish the exotic food items that won't be available after international trade collapses.

SmokyJoe: don't plan on bringing your damn guns with you to Canada. We don't approve of solving our problems with violence up here. And remember, be polite. Things are done differently in the Great White North, and we generally don't care for loud and aggressive types. Except in Alberta, our wannabe Texas province that has most of our oil. Perhaps you would fit in best out there, and avoid Central Canada where civility prevails.

Andy, I am curious that you think the Alberta oil, located in Canada, will become the property of the US military. Just how does that happen?

It's sort of rhetorical since we seem to be always willing to sell off our resources to the USA, whether it's wood, water, or oil. It's a hard sell up here trying to convince people that we should keep these resources for ourselves, and if we really need to sell them for the cash, make sure the price is high. Sky high.

Maybe it's a habit we picked up as a colony of the once great British Empire, that happy sell off of what can't be replaced. Pat us on the head and you can take all you want. It will ultimately be our downfall, take my word for it.

Love you, West Coast. After asking for statistics to prove the truth of the statements made by Asoka, you went on a long rant making all sorts of assumptions about illegals without offering a single source for any of your claims.

Are your unsubstantiated statements any more verifiable than Asoka's? Let's back them up, shall we?

i predict a turnip in every pot and a useless vehicle in every foreclosed garage

If immigration is good than more immigration is better. How about 10 million per month? We can double the population in just two and a half years. At that point we can go to 20 million per months and double again to 1200 million by 2016. After all they each contribute so why not. We can return to the growth economy. Think of all the growth that will be needed in housing, water systems, farming, schools, etc.

I loved when the Chinese president was asked about the Jackson Vanik law. His answer was how many dissidents do you want? He was happy to provide 300 million if we wanted them.

Asoka, you are on a roll today. Good work. This comment is so true: freedom of choice is what progressives are all about. Of course, to the not so progressives, it's incomprehensible that others shouldn't be compelled to follow their own beliefs. Heaven forbid we should allow diversity of opinion and actions. That is really the key difference between those who understand what freedom, and choice, really mean, and the prune faced self righteous moralists who want everyone else to conform to them.

3rd Generation.... pitchforks???

try AK-47s and 9mms.........

New Orleans here, post-Katrina a preview...

I have lived in Detroit, Michigan my entire life so I think I have a better handle on reality than the gun-toting born-again Nazis who make up what's left of the Republican Party. Detroit does have its' problems God knows but it also boasts some of the finest agricultural land in America. In fact, the land was so rich in nutrients that early French settlers nicknamed Detroit "black bottom." Can you make the same claim for Texas? And how about Detroit's location between two Great Lakes and it's access to the Atlantic via the St. Lawrence River? Once the national highway system collapses and lakes and rivers become the nation's sole means of long-distance transportation which place has the best chance of surviving? Houston or Cleveland? Once the oil and gas are gone and air-conditioning becomes a luxury that only the wealthiest can afford what do you think will happen to Phoenix?

In others words business people.

I live near a park where this county’s labor unions annually hold their Labor Day picnic. Its quite a spectacle here in Portland: each union holding its own grille cook-out for its membership in the reserved pavilions or under rented banquet tents. Union banners, T-shirts and placards abound, all proclaiming union pride and solidarity. Here, amidst all this, are stalls staffed with volunteers demanding amnesty for illegal aliens. No surprise, about half of the membership appears Hispanic. What irony; cheap illegal alien workforce was the main tool for undercutting union strength and livable wages in America, yet here are the unions now betraying our domestic work force by advocating for illegal aliens. Funny, don’t you think, how we hear so much complaint about off shored jobs but from the doctrinaire Left nothing about deporting the foreign nationals here illegally and putting a freeze on immigration altogether.

Doesn’t it kind’a make you wonder: if these illegals are amnestied as they are now demanding, become citizens along with representation through voting in elections, do you think they’ll feel betrayed if their elected representatives subordinated their will as expressed in those votes to another wake of invading foreign work force? Hmmm, seems I remember that the last amnesty (Reagan, 1987) was promised to be the last. Did I miss something?

Also, do you think they'll surrender their duel citizenship of their nation of origin?

Hi, Impaler. At least you pull no punches about what you believe.

So you didn't like Perry allowing all Texans equal access to public higher education by charging them in-state tuition, as well as access to services for drug treatment, mental health and children with special health care needs, regardless of citizenship or immigration status? If so, that's not "making Whites second-class citizens," it's making all Texas residents equal. Besides, that's not about race. There are plenty of Latino citizens (remember, they were living in Texas first) and there are some illegal immigrants from Europe; I should know as Detroit has lots of them.

Are you so insecure about your status that losing privilege makes you think that you're now "second class" when you haven't lost any right other than the ability to lord it over people not like you?

Hi, neighbor! I'm also in metro Detroit and I can back up what you're saying. There are reasons other than vacant land that Detroit is the epicenter of urban agriculture in the United States. Lots of other Rust Belt cities have lots of vacant land (Cleveland, anyone), but it's the rich soil that makes it more possible here.

As I've written many times on my blog, Crazy Eddie's Motie News (see my first comment for the web address), which examines sustainability with a science fiction slant and a Detroit perspective, Detroit is Ground Zero of the Post-Industrial Future. Whatever solutions we come up with here for the continent's problems will be exported. Great things are happening here and they're happening here first. I wouldn't miss them for the world!

I notice that little Jimmy Hoffa and Barry Soetoro are congratulating each other on the former's recent aggressive speech about the working class being at war with Republicans, tea partiers, etc. ( see drudgereport.com).

What most middle class and at least formerly well off liberals don't understand is the workers they pretend to adore and "fight for," actually loathe them. (Of course, the liberals loathe the workers unless they're extremely cleaned up or at a long distance away from them).

When the shit really hits the fan in the US, the class war that Jimmy and Barry are trying to start will be initially directed toward the suburban liberals who are, in the main, unarmed and unable to defend themselves or their families. We'll see the workers they defend raping and pillaging in liberal neighborhoods.

(I can see it now, "no... stop stealing my food and raping my daughter, I voted democrat, We support you people.")

When the war moves into the active stage, the liberals who remain alive will try to call the police (remember, Hillary said on the senate floor that the police are only minutes away so why would anyone ever really need a gun).....and the phone lines will be dead.

Only after liberal suburban neighborhoods are completely ravashed and burned to the ground will the so called "workers" (actually former workers) turn to the far more well protected, defended and bunkered down "well to do" and "tea party types.)
There, they will encounter a real war and then things will truly get interesting in terms of the potential for civil war and breaking apart of the US.

Think of the events between now and world made by hand. It will not be pretty, but it will be ironic. Hopefully any politically correct "liberals" who survive will remember and find amusement in their support of the workers and their candidate fomenting class warfare.

Lock and Load, if you have the balls and ammo
Wardoc

...before anyone says no the above can't happen; fact is, it happens with suprising frequency since the mid 20th centure. I've already seen it first hand in Sarajevo, Bosnia and Croatia and it was not pretty. You only heard about the religious splits behind the violence. That was mainly for Fox and CNN moron viewer consumption; it was really a class war, not unlike what we'll see here....soon.

That's right, most of us will not survive what's coming just down the pike. I think I'll be lucky to be alive in 20 years, and I'm just 49 and in good health.

That's the smallest part of it. The actual hate crime bills attempt to terrorize Whites who are racially conscious. And they seek to keep Whites in general in line by draconian sentencing - far above that of other races charged with the same thing. Occasionally minorities are convicted of hate crimes, but it's very difficult - there has to be loads of evidence. Whereas for Whites, very little.

With Whites, the State presumes to know what goes on inside our heads. So when a minority claims racism - you're toast.

None of this has anything to do with traditional Western and American Law which is supposed to protect all equally - not set up special categories of favored people.

Hispanics don't experience contradictions. They can deal with logical categories for the sake of fooling Liberals but once in power, the only consideration will be what's good for them.

Muslims are like this too. As are East Asians. South Asians. American Indians. Africans and Black "Americans". And the Jews. We are the different ones, the special ones. Traditional Whites knew this and were willing to fight to protect our Lands and Traditions. Liberals don't know anything about it and generally consider us not equal but inferior. Of course they themselves are special since they know the Whites suck and are working to undermine the West. They fully expect a place in the Sun in the glorious World Community which doesn't exist, never has, and never will - unless and until the Foot touches the Mount of Olives.

The most successful of these successor states have been the Baltic republics, because of their proximity to Scandinavia and Germany
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I'm very curious where you get your information Mr Anderson. And successful in what sense?

I have family relations living in Lithuania, so I'm familiar with the situation there. The economic situation in Lithuania is extremely bad. The standard of living has taken a very sharp downturn after the breakup of the USSR, and it's been getting worse and worse. Most people in Lithuania now can't even afford to heat their homes in winter. Where before Lithuania was a major producer of electronics to the Soviet Union, now most of woman in Lithuania work as prostitutes, with German and American sex tourists as clients. The same in Latvia and Estonia.

Westcoast,

"Don't you think reforming foreign policy would be more likely to stop potential nuclear war than saving the environment and stopping reproductive freedom?"

Reproductive freedom?

The crazies who would start a nuclear war are not going to be mollified by a new, improved U.S. foreign policy. Remember, they hate us for our freedoms!

Anyway, nuclear WAR is far down on the ways we can and will destroy ourselves. As the Fukishima meltdown is showing, regular nuclear power plants will be able to do the job.

It may take a while, but global warming will do the job, tool. We may have already past the tipping point in co2 in the atmosphere -- 900 degree surface temperatures might be our future. (I don't think the rich are going to air condition their way out of that one.)

Certainly resource depletion will do an adequate job of curtailing human activity.

No agribusiness, ditto.

It ain't going to be pretty, however it arrives, but it's coming, and no politician alive today is going to make it any better.


AK-47s and 9mms?

Useless.

Try RPGs with a range of 1400 meters. Any organized hoard worth its salt will have them. Your AK-47s and 9mms will provide zero defense capability. Wardocs' "Lock and load" is a joke. With or without balls.

Ah Jim, when you say, "The Left ignores them at the peril of everyone. They are the corn-pone Nazis I have been warning you about". Question: Did you warn us about the marxist and muslim Manchurian Candidate, and the marxist thugs who surrounded him, or the very dangerous jihad-supporting muslims he has also surrounded himself with, or even the threats posed by Islam itself? Hussein now is leading our country to total destruction, which seems to not be on your radar. Perhaps your capitalizing of the "Left" defines your ideology, but I hope not. However, you seem to be very selective with your warnings if, as I recall, you failed to raise any warning flags about comrade Hussein or the leftists he surrounded, and still surrounds himself with. The threat from the left is ongoing, as is the threat from the muslim jihadists and their supporters in the U.S., so how about discussing the very real and existing threats, rather the men and women who inhabit the Tea Parties, who have never blown anyone up, or even engaged in violent actions, contrary to the muslims and unions, who you give a pass to. Still, enjoy your Monday postings, and hope to see more fair and balanced future postings from you.

The Nazis were left-wing through and through, not conservatives or independents. They fought the communists for power, and then abolished much private ownership in Germany, including the right to own firearms. They hated capitalism and only allowed the existence of those serving their armed forces. Just love how you leftists distort history, either through ignorance, or fear of the truth, which is one constant with leftists.

asoka. at 9:53 AM said, "First." WRONG!

Warduck:"Only after liberal suburban neighborhoods are completely ravashed and burned to the ground will the so called "workers" (actually former workers) turn to the far more well protected, defended and bunkered down "well to do" and "tea party types.) WRONG! There, they will encounter a real war and then things will truly get interesting in terms of the potential for civil war and breaking apart of the US.WRONG!"

T-party D-bag says "The Nazis were left-wing through and through, not conservatives or independents. They fought the communists for power, and then abolished much private ownership in Germany, including the right to own firearms. They hated capitalism and only allowed the existence of those serving their armed forces. Just love how you leftists distort history, either through ignorance, or fear of the truth, which is one constant with leftists. "

Instead of taking your word for it I went to Wikipedia. Looks like you're full of shit.

Hitler clearly believed that the lack of a precise economic programme was one of the Nazi Party's strengths, saying: "The basic feature of our economic theory is that we have no theory at all."[14]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany

Just look at Rick Perry and tell me you don't feel the evil and hypocrisy rising from him like a bad odor. Google "Rick Perry sex orgies" if you want further insights into this good "Christian" and his hobbies.

Wardoc: "...before anyone says no the above can't happen; fact is, it happens with suprising frequency since the mid 20th centure. I've already seen it first hand in Sarajevo, Bosnia and Croatia and it was not pretty. You only heard about the religious splits behind the violence. That was mainly for Fox and CNN moron viewer consumption; it was really a class war, not unlike what we'll see here....soon. "

I'll watch it on the news but there will be no mass breakout of war between "republicans and conservatives" versus "democrats and republicans"...

You're living in a dream world, where the US somehow resembles the Balkans. Retarded.

0.05 says "The fact is, no one really knows what trait will be desirable. Think Germany 1945. Who could have guessed in 1930 what skills, traits or luck would enable them to survive the ordeal that was right in front of them? Jewish? Not good. Of military age? Not good. Live in a big city? Not good. Communist? Not good. Homosexual? Not good."

Perhaps it was... unemployment. Prior to Nazi takeover, unemployment was at 30%. Unemployment is a de-legitimizer for government. It will never happen. You might be handed a vest and a shovel and a hard hat in the near future... as you cannot shoot your neighbors to put food on the table.

"the thing that gets us may well come from the ocean and I never forget that."

You mean getting us? Its the 500 yard long container ships hauling 15 million bbls/day here plus 100,000s of cars, and unknown quantities of cheap consumer goods.

Thats what's fucked us and will continue to fuck us.

Yes, everyone should have a stash of silver and or gold to pay the rent for a few years. Couple this with learning a new skill ie making food, fixing a bike or motorcycle, sewing clothes. Plus have somekind of backup to make your dwelling habitable in the event of complete lack of services, a gross of candles would be a good start.

If you haven't learned to grow and make your own Corn Pone it isn't too late, it is delicious and filling. There are many many versions, Yankee ones too! As a Yankee I'd just like to point out that there are plenty and I mean plenty of Pizza Pone "blueneck" NASCAR types north of the Mason-Dixon. So when JHK pokes at the rebs, remember they're everywhere and he knows it.

"Andy, I am curious that you think the Alberta oil, located in Canada, will become the property of the US military. Just how does that happen?"

It's gonna happen, Grouch, cause we ain't gonna pay for it. Nope. We're gonna steal it. Yes, that's right. We're going to take it. One way or another, it's ours. A long time ago you guys became our "bitches", and as much as I love your country and its people, we're gonna take it from you. Not just a slice of it, either. I'm talking the whole enchillada.

Think of it as a sort of "pay day loan" we're calling in for us saving your (and Great Britain's) ass during WWII. Oh, and you're welcome. One never knows the day a loan will be called in, does one? ;)

You might try reading Garrett Hardin's Living within Limits. And I also belief that charity begins at home. This was driven very much home to me when here in Berkeley the Japanese were out collecting for the needy there but no one asked me once to help with the storms in the South and now in the NE.

Jill in Berkeley

HMuller,

At the end of the day the Mormon from Mass(apologies, his name escapes me) will be the GOP nominee. Just as President Obama now owns what looks to be at least 9% unemployment through next fall, Perry owns the the controversial philosophical declarations from the book that he wrote.

On a discordant note: JHK asserts the "corn-pone Nazis" have arrived in America in the form of a potential GOP presidential candidate and that " you [we] don't know how dangerous and determined this group is". And yet in the very next paragraph, JHK states that President Obama should go Jimmy Carter and drag a kicking and screaming nation into a Luddite power down...a tactic that would virtually ensure his defeat and crown the corn-pones.

It just doesn't make sense to me.

The Nazis were left-wing through and through, not conservatives or independents. They fought the communists for power, and then abolished much private ownership in Germany, including the right to own firearms. They hated capitalism and only allowed the existence of those serving their armed forces. Just love how you leftists distort history, either through ignorance, or fear of the truth, which is one constant with leftists.

That is one of the silliest things I've ever heard in my life.

One of the reasons Germany lost the war was that Hitler insisted that German industry continue to produce consumer goods. Whether it was hair rollers or toasters, the German leadership wanted to keep the consumer happy. This is verifiable historical fact.

Next, Hitler and the German leadership never drafted nor wanted German women to work in the defense industries as that would take away from them being good German consumers and it might slow them down from producing even more good German consumers as a working woman is less likely to get pregnant.

Lets look at some of the German programs and lets see if they have any semblance to any group of Americans.

The Germans Nazis were:

Anti-Abortion - Republican Party
Anti Labor Union - Republican Party
Racists - Republican Party
Doing God's Work "Gott mit uns" - Republican Party
Primarily Rural in origin - Republican Party
Enabling Acts/Patriot Act - Republican Party
Military Worship - Republican Party

I could go on all day if you would like.

Wrong. Nazism was National Socialism. The Workers were lauded and treated well - and the Nation prospered. The economic miracle that was pre war Nazi Germany is what they don't want you to know about. The "workers" weren't in control per se - it wasn't Communism, but at the same time, the Industrialists were subordinated to the greater good. Just because it wasn't Marxist doesn't mean it wasn't socialist. There are different kinds of socialism - the Fascist one is very different since it has different goals and premises.

As you imply, it's Crazy. The Communists under Obama are leveling America and these people are worrying about a Right Wing coup! You can't get any more deluded. But, but, but - Obama is a tool of the Big Corporations, they bleat. Yes, thank you for noticing, FINALLy! What else is has Communism ever been? That they will never answer since it's beyond their ken.

Who financed the Communist Revolutions? And why? Silence. John Birch knows and so does John Galt.

Happy Labor Day, whats left of our Unions had a parade down on main street. It was sad to watch a few dozens people and a few Jesus loves you signs, or you are going to hell. An excellent post today JHK. My 7 year old deep freeze hyrid seeds produced a success rate around 40 to 50%, tomatoes, peppers, and lettuce did well. Perry and Palin is my first choice, but it may be Perry and Paul, oh what fun ahead. Keep learning and reading, buy those jars for canning now!!!!!

Vlad: now you're off your rocker.

Corporations are communists? (and no, you're not going to get out of this one. You just called corporations communist.)

What next, you gonna argue that Marx was looking back to "The Golden Age Of Feudalism" when he wrote the Communist Manifesto?

As for Russian Communism, sure the Germans were funding Lenin. Cause trouble within the enemy nation, your job is made that much easier. Nothing more than fifth column agitation, if you ask me - just happened that Russia was a bit more rotten than people knew.

You and your arguments are the reason Sophism gave philosophy a bad name (and why economics is a disreputable science, its presence worship as the king of the sciences notwithstanding). Anything to justify the monied classes (for whom you've been arguing, may I add).

The Liberals can't stand anyone telling the truth about their minority pets! Their pets are going to turn on them in the biggest possible way. After all, the Minorities are Men not pets - and Men do not feel gratitude for condescension and unearned benefits but only resentment and rage.

For those who think that the Republicans are too crazy for Obama to lose:

There's a perfect storm of stuff going on. The news has begun to slowly turn against Obama (listen and you'll hear it), and the Republicans are getting into their stride. Having just done everything from forcing Obama to make Social Security disposable to change the time of his speech, the Tea Party in the House Republicans have established that they rule the nation and are just waiting for the nationalization of their movement before finally getting their will.

On the jobs front, we've not only had a 0 net job gain in the past month (until the numbers get adjusted...downward), but the so-called recovery has proven to be a continuation of the depression that S&P and Goldman-Sacks put into motion in 2008. Corporations aren't hiring, but are pretty much keeping people employed until they can set up new factories elsewhere and disemploy Americans. GE got in trouble mainly because they were already ready and were unwilling to wait until after 2012 to do their move out of Wisconsin.

And let's not forget the Roberts-Alito court that ruled (indirectly) that Money is the only working measure of free speech. So what's happened? Fifty people now give two-thirds of the money to the two parties – The Republicans get theirs to speak out, the Democrats get theirs to shut them up and make them pliant.

And of course certain governmental agencies have turned against him. Anyone find it strange that every time Obama goes to Europe volcanoes explode in Iceland? They haven't been able to contain the disasters to California, Michigan, New England and various Cities (thought Climate Warming may make that point moot), but there's stuff going on there too.

Want to see the Republicans REALLY invade? Watch the Postal Service die. That's right: Despite being barred from doing the stuff that they've been trying to do FOR YEARS to cut costs, they've kept up...until now, when they're threatening to close up shop. I can see the Republicans salivating at the hope: 600,000 plus people unceremoniously dumped on the unemployment lines, all of them likely to be deemed unemployable due to the reputation of the Postal Service, and all of them jacking up the unemployment numbers in time for the National Election...and all they'd have to do is stall until January.

Don't be surprised if slowly the press became more and more Republican (and that's assuming there's some dirty trick that nobody's uncovered yet - like the Koch brothers or some ally giving the television media corporations (Not News Corp, the others) billions of dollars to NOT SHOW DEMOCRATIC AND/OR LEFTIST ADVERTISEMENTS ON THE AIRWAVES! Also expect the government to do its part, as both the Armed Forces and the Spy Groups are run by the same people who run the NRA and the Republican Party.

Right now the Republican Party isn't so much trying to see who'll win, but how far into the loony right they can go before they risk defeat. If everyone else plays their part (watch the Rating Agencies downgrade US debt to Junk in June or August), they may go with a certifiable loony (Consider Vlad as too sane) and STILL WIN THE ELECTION complete with a 62-38 takeover of the Senate.

Things are going to get interesting...and not in a good way.

So you believe that the Corporations "believe" in Adam Smith Capitalism. "Competition is a sin" is their motto. Capitalism so called is something you make the other guy do.

I claim that rich merchants and bankers financed the French Revolution using the Masonic Lodges and certain Intellectuals as their proxies. I claim that the Communist Cause in the 20th century was prosecuted in the same way.

You explain Rockefeller and Khushchev embracing (the pictures are around) like lovers and vacationing together. You explain Jacob Schiff of Kuhn & Loeb loaning the Russian Communists twenty million gold sterling. You explain how the US turned on Chiang Kai Shek and towards Mao. You explain the all the aid we gave our supposed enemy the Soviet Union.

How does one rule the world? Play one group against another - be on both sides and let them fight it out. Whoever wins will be weaker than before. Do it again and again. Who gets stronger with each war? That's right, the Bankers. You're getting warm. Use the new middle class to weaken the Aristocrats (England). Use the peasants to destroy the Aristocrats (France). Use both to destroy the Russian Aristocracy (Russia). Use Blacks and Browns to destroy the middle class (United States and Europe).

Too much for you? Ok let's keep it simple and contemporary: why did Soros and Goldman Sachs fund the Communist, Obama? Face it, Communism has nothing to do with getting rid of the rich. It is all about getting rid of Traditional Elites so the New Banking and Corporate Elite can take their place. Mandella preached classic Communist redistribution during the stuggle - and then denied it after the Blacks triumphed. The result? The old White Elite destroyed while the Banking Elite still rules behind the scenes. Note: I think they are going to lose alot there as it devolves back towards chaos, but evidently the chance to destroy a White Republic was just too juicy to ignore.

Concerning Bakken Shale oil production, after 2 years of +30% oil production growth in North Dakota, oil production in the first 4 months of 2011 is down 0.79% relative to the last quarter of 2010. More data is necessary to see if the present stalled production is a long-term situation but it doesn't look good for large future production increases.

As I remember it, Steve Forbes was claiming the Bakken region would have ~300 billion barrels of oil (Gb). It looks like the industry may have trouble producing 2 Gb. It's always easy to exaggerate oil reserves.

Roger Blanchard

Hi Grouchy,

The Green River Resources Corporation (to give it it's proper name) states in it's Mission Statement that it is"committed to solving the clean energy needs of the United States by developing a breakthrough technology for extracting naturally occurring hydrocarbons from tar sands, oil sands, and other similar types of geologic structures prevalent in the Mountain West region of North America.".

Do you live in Alberta? I was a British soldier and went there many times on Military Manoevres. Beautiful place.

Godozo:

Why do you express such concern about victory by the Republicans, since the US will head just as rapidly toward ruin under the Democrats as it will under the Republicans?

Please don't drink the kool aid.

A defector from a 30-year gig as a GOP staffer:

"It should have been evident to clear-eyed observers that the Republican Party is becoming less and less like a traditional political party in a representative democracy and becoming more like an apocalyptic cult, or one of the intensely ideological authoritarian parties of 20th century Europe. This trend has several implications, none of them pleasant."

(http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779)

Ron Paul is at least as honest as it is possible to be honest and still remain a politician.

asoka:

It speaks poorly for either your intelligence or integrity to call Ron Paul a racist. (intelligence, if you actually believe what you said, integrity, if you are lying)

Paul's political philosophy is clearly deeply grounded in Libertarianism. I don't happen to be a Libertarian myself, but I know enough about it to know there is no racism in Libertarianism.

Because of its believe in a minimalist role for Government, Libertarians can be prone to oppose anti-discimination laws. I believe they are wrong, as I believe they are wrong on many issues. But racist they are not.


The kind of defamatory mentality that you exhibit is exactly the kind of mentality that is going to make things ugly when our nation faces much greater economic hardship in the years to come.

This post is SO full of shit.

I've lived in Alberta. Alberta a "wannabe Texas province"? Only in your delusional fantasies.

Almost too absurd for comment but for the fact that the nonsense in this post has currency in this neck of the woods.

Just another case of a know it all liberal that knows sweet fuck all especially about their own country. I know the breed. I listen to their tiresome idiocy here all the time.

Get educated because, like so many here in Central Canada that I've had the displeasure of having to listen to, you are not. You only think you are and you come across like a moron.

lsjogren, I am not speaking of Libertarians in general. I am speaking of Ron Paul and his record.

Paul’s alliance with neo-Confederates helps explain the views his newsletters have long espoused on race. Take, for instance, a special issue of the Ron Paul Political Report,published in June 1992, dedicated to explaining the Los Angeles riots of that year. “Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks three days after rioting began,” read one typical passage. According to the newsletter, the looting was a natural byproduct of government indulging the black community with “‘civil rights,’ quotas, mandated hiring preferences, set-asides for government contracts, gerrymandered voting districts, black bureaucracies, black mayors, black curricula in schools, black tv shows, black tv anchors, hate crime laws, and public humiliation for anyone who dares question the black agenda.” It also denounced “the media” for believing that “America’s number one need is an unlimited white checking account for underclass blacks.”...

This “Special Issue on Racial Terrorism” was hardly the first time one of Paul’s publications had raised these topics. As early as December 1989, a section of his Investment Letter, titled “What To Expect for the 1990s,” predicted that “Racial Violence Will Fill Our Cities” because “mostly black welfare recipients will feel justified in stealing from mostly white ‘haves.’” Two months later, a newsletter warned of “The Coming Race War,” and, in November 1990, an item advised readers, “If you live in a major city, and can leave, do so. If not, but you can have a rural retreat, for investment and refuge, buy it.” In June 1991, an entry on racial disturbances in Washington, DC’s Adams Morgan neighborhood was titled, “Animals Take Over the D.C. Zoo.” “This is only the first skirmish in the race war of the 1990s,” the newsletter predicted. In an October 1992 item about urban crime, the newsletter’s author--presumably Paul--wrote, “I’ve urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self defense. For the animals are coming.” That same year, a newsletter described the aftermath of a basketball game in which “blacks poured into the streets of Chicago in celebration. How to celebrate? How else? They broke the windows of stores to loot.” The newsletter inveighed against liberals who “want to keep white America from taking action against black crime and welfare,” adding, “Jury verdicts, basketball games, and even music are enough to set off black rage, it seems.”

Lance,

Thanks for the link. The staffer asserts what many are finally coming to realize: that the 'two parties are one and the same' mantra is the cup of Kool Aid that poisons the Dems and resurrects the GOP. Those who continue to push this false equivalency, are usually posers from the far right, generic absolutists such as Wagelaborer, and the politically ignorant (a good deal of the population). This is a very telling stat from your link:

" There were only 44 million Republican voters in the 2010 mid-term elections, but they effectively canceled the political results of the election of President Obama by 69 million voters."

Bottom line: If the Democrat base comes out to vote with enthusiastic ferocity, it's game over and lights out for the GOP. A ROUT. The national demographic and economic trends simply do not favor the GOP. The only chance the GOP has, it's only viable tactic that has been proving to work, is to demoralize the rank and file DEM voter with the false political equivalency meme. And it works for the GOP because they're not stupid enough to believe it and they do come out and pull the partisan lever.

Now, if only President Obama would get ferocious with the oppositional party (...the Dem equivalent of William Wallace imploring Robert The Bruce ).

"We're headed into a world not of "jobs" but of vocations, trades, crafts, situations, and a lot of casual labor, largely self-guided by those with who possess a functioning internal compass. Obama can pretend to keep the old way going, but that pretense will be along the same lines as keeping insolvent banks going." What a joke. Why would business want to hire anyone when they are doing so well without having to hire and pay more. Wages have flat lined for the last 30 years and profits have sky rocketed. So why would any business need to hire when everything is going ok for them. Those same business's are whining about to many regulations meanwhile making huge profits because of the less need for workers that need to be paid more than they are in China. Those wonderful business's that we all bow down to in this country could care less about fair share and a better equal distribution of wealth. Why should they. Personally I feel that business in this country are worse than terrorism because they don't give a damn about the workers just their buddies the investor class and profit. Obama really thinks that what he says is true. Pathetic.

I think the comparison between Republicans and Nazis is a little bit of a stretch.

WRT militarism: the German Nazis conquered most of Europe, killed many millions including 20 million plus Soviets in their invasion of the Soviet Union.

WRT racism: the German Nazis established industrial scale death camps that exterminated European Jewry (that's roughly 5 million people). And let's not forget Gypsies and others that also died in the death camps (that's around 1 million more).

I've read that Hans Frank (the Nazi governor of Poland) considered it his task to starve the Polish people out of existence. Can't remember the source. He never succeeded but they did kill around 6 million ie roughly one person in six of the Polish population. That figure includes a few million Polish Jews.

Europe was left a field of bones. I think that you ought to speak to people that were alive in those days and lived under the Nazi jackboot. There's a lot of them still around. Many emigrated to the US.

Chaz (Chastity) Bono is getting alot of flack from Conservatives about "his" appearance on Dancing with the Stars. People like this want the Chaz Boneos of the World to go back into the underground closets. Chaz is dancing for all of us - even as the Titanic lists to 30 degree Chaz will be dancing up a storm, his fat face glistening with sweat that glistens like the stars. Dance on Chaz Boy Man Woman Girl - your dance will not save the world but may save our Liberal souls if we only had any.

Ah yes the Monday morning couch coaches busy prognosticating on the downfall of Western Culture. Just to add to heaping pile of dung known as Crony Capitalism, if the EU falls, one of the more immediate effects will be in the US. Just who do you think the German's and French got to issue derivatives on the EU debt in the first place? Why our highly esteemed, highly insolvent major US banks and insurance companies. To the tune at last count of $200 billion, hello taxpayer! Just at a time when the US Federal Housing Finance Agency is suing the crap out of them over their foreclosure practices. At this time Bank of America stock is under $7 and JP Morgan Chase has declined again by 3.7%.

The investor that derived so much money from their stock holdings that gave these mega-corporations their backing is now being withdrawn so the vampires can expire for lack of fresh blood. Let the day-light shine I say!

Now, all sing together..."London bridges falling down...."

Malthus,

The only way to induce the hiring of American workers would be to create a tax incentive. The unfortunate thing is that the corp taxes are already low and in the case of GE 0.

So, there would have to be a tax burden on hiring outside the US, with understanding that hiring Americans would lower that burden.

Of course they wouldn't dream of doing that.

Ron Paul is obviously a race realist. These are simply observations. Do you deny that Blacks have rioted in these places? Or just recently in London and Philedelphia?

Check this out: Blacks have been thrown out of the Cherokee Tribe. The Tribe refuses to be guilt tripped, remaining firm in their right to define who is part of their social group. On a more practical level, the Blacks were sucking them dry financially. It's a microcosm of what Blacks do everywhere to everyone who has more than they do -which of course is everyone who works at all.

http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=10392

Just like the railroads, the Post Office is one of those things that could hold us together after the fall. The internet wont last. We must retain these seemingly defunct institutions - that once served us and could again. The river shipping industry is another one.

"I'd like to hear Mr. Obama tell this country that Job Number One for us is getting more Americans into agriculture at the small, local scale. Translation: dismantle agri-business. Otherwise, we're going to have a lot of starving people across this land."

God, that sounds familiar.

Meanwhile, back in south Georgia, we've finally gotten a bit of rain, compliments of Tropical Storm Lee, and the garden is stretching and sighing in relief. The last round of sunflowers is budding, potatoes are in the ground, broccoli and greens going in shortly, and onions/garlic on the way in a couple of months. This is real food that we grow by the bushel, not play gardening. Just loaded up on grain staples late August - 50 lb sacks of wheat berries, flour, rice, corn meal, sugar, piles of sea salt, and jugs of molasses. Getting enough eggs for the four of us, plus my folks and my grandparents in town. Rabbits are steadily converting the garden waste into rich beds for next spring's new perennials, and into delicious, low-cost meat for us. Freezer is packed with beef, pork, chicken, fat for soap and candles (our post-industrial living), and summer veggies. All but one of the fruit trees have had a good year, despite the drought. I'm particularly proud of the peach varieties that I planted at the same time my grandfather planted his, the same age, from the same source. Mine are 3 times the size of his. Can't say as much for the pears, but they'll all make it. Our county is overflowing with pears this time of year anyway. Probably didn't even need to plant them.

Sounds great, doesn't it? Sure, as long as the system keeps running. Freezers full of food don't run themselves, and gardens don't produce without irrigation and a steady supply of high-quality seeds. At least annual crops don't. (Which is why we focus on perennials and grass-fed meat!)

So what's next?

This fall we'll be guttering the barn above the garden and storing up irrigation water in modular 275 gallon tanks you can get from car washes and the like. Just add another one as you need it. That'll be coupled to drip tape irrigation for the orchard, grapes, blackberries, and blueberry patch, which will all be established by the time the drip tape deteriorates. We'll be transitioning to solar batch hot water for domestic use; a shower-to-washer-to-citrus-trees graywater system, plus kitchen sink to banana patch; and dry, composting toilets very soon. No water will be used less than twice, and most used more than that. And a lot of the water we rely on from the well will come from rain catchment. All could come that way if necessary.

Our latest move was ditching the internet at home, which has pushed our homesteading projects forward more quickly, although I do miss the regular chats here. Our next move is selling the car to finish up several self-reliance projects and to get beef calves on the ground. We'll be living at horse and bike pace by first frost. (OMG!) Access to extended family vehicles is there when we need it, as is access to a few tools I really can't afford (like a chipper/shredder that comes in pretty handy around the garden), more perks of foregoing individualistic ego and rebuilding tribe.

A friend of mine from Macon, "the other Tripp," is cycling in to our farm tomorrow morning, on his way to Central America. Guess he'd rather be somewhere where the people are used to living the way Americans are about to start living. Can't say I blame him. Will be good to talk with him on the way out.

Don't let people tell you that you can't transition to a radically new way of life, for whatever reason is currently dripping from their fangs. Four years ago I was a cubicle jockey wearing a blackberry and 30 extra pounds on my hip. Come what may in the future, I'd much rather say that at least I gave it everything I had on the way through the keyhole event. My family deserves that. The bandits may come, we may get robbed, potentially worse; the government might turn feudal fascist on us, which appears more and more likely every week, but we won't be deterred. Our family of four is now living on less than 10k a year, which is half of what we lived on last year, and aiming to cut that in half again.

Do it early and resourceful people will help you. Wait for the crowd and you're likely to get trampled by them.

If I could offer one piece of advice, though you didn't ask for it, I would say that there is no effective preparation for the future which includes living just like you always have. Summer in south Georgia without AC is not comfortable, but it is do-able. There's a chance that behavior changes that radical might not be necessary, for a few very prepared people of means, but if you want to come out with a life that resembles the first world in any way, you better get busy, and you should probably do it right now. Preparations take time, and who knows how much of that we have left at our disposal.

Besides, living simply, without a job or a boss, is pretty damn cool. We're choosing life with no car instead of one of us going back to a job. That was the decision. And although it's a nerve-wracking one for spoiled Americans like us who live 6 miles from town, after what we've seen so far it's an easy one. You won't be anywhere close to there if you haven't done at least 3 years of small, incremental changes leading to that point. We're on 5 years now, and we've actively and energetically engaged the energy descent pattern. Being forced to live the way we do, all at once, coming straight out of mobile affluence, would be miserable. Done slowly, incrementally, it is physically, emotionally, and spiritually rewarding.

I highly recommend the latter. Nothing good ever happens fast.

My feet got cold this morning! Can you believe it??

Hallelujah!

Thanks for that, Myrtlemay. It provides the perfect illustration for an argument I am participating in on a local blog about whether or not Canada should be helping provide the USA with oil from our tar sands. It will bolster my position considerably.

Are you that Ugly American I keep hearing about? We particularly enjoy hearing how you won the second world war singlehandedly, it's an amusing fiction for the people who actually fought that war for so long before you woke up to the danger yourselves.

American exceptionalism indeed. Go fuck yourself.

Grouchy Old Girl, thanks for the kind words.

About that "oil" in Canadian tar sands. As I understand the pipeline they want to build from Canada to Texas would need to be heated the entire length of the pipeline, because what you have in Canadian tar sands is not oil that flows but some kind of viscous matter that won't flow unless it is heated.

How does taking (legally or otherwise) Candian tar sands goop make any sense?

What's the EROEI after spending so much on building a pipeline and heating it to get the goop to move, just to get it to where it can be refined (more energy expenditure)? These oil persons are a bit daft.

Ah, Cash, I figured my post would get a rise out of you. Here's some information about me that should tell you I am perfectly qualified to make that statement.

I have lived in Alberta, in Edmonton, with my two kids when they were young. Long enough for a whole school year, which is long enough to evaluate the tone of the province. I stand by my assertion that it is a Texas wannabe, just count the cowboy hats on the paunchy Albertans. I was there when the premier of the province made his comment about letting Central Canada freeze in the dark when they withheld "their" oil from the rest of us. Very nice.

Lived in B.C. too in my younger days. I have travelled all across our country and sat on the board of directors for the National Anti Poverty Organization where I worked closely with other low income Canadians from every province and territory. Did that for six years and visited BC, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Quebec and New Brunswick in the course of doing the (volunteer) work. Learned a lot about our country and its people and the regional differences and challenges.

I figure I know more about Canada and Canadians than you do, my friend, and that's why. There may be a moron in this discussion but it's not me!

This link supports Cash's assertion: that sexual attraction trumps race loyalty, even under the threat of tribal ostracism.

Haven't you ever read of the deep attraction Mexican women felt for the Irish? Those swarthy, swashbuckling men with red locks, blue eyes and pale skin from the other side of the world whose songs by drink and fire turned Latina tears into the steam of passion?

You have a lot to learn Krantz. You’re a young soul in an old world but you’ll catch up one of these lifetimes.

Hi there Asoka. You are bang on with your observation about the difficulty, and futility, of shipping our tar sands gunk down south. Did you know that the stuff is so contaminated it actually costs more to produce a barrel of oil than the oil is worth as a finished product?

That's how stupid the whole idea is. Then there's the terrible environmental impact. People in the local area are getting sick, thousands of ducks and other wildlife are being killed off, all in the unholy pursuit of oil driven profit.

Thanks for replying Andy but you didn't answer my question as to why you figure the American military will ultimately have our oil.

I checked out the Green River Resources webpage. What can I say? It tends to support my position that Alberta is a wannabe Texas, in that apparently these guys, all oil company careerists, just love the myth of the USA and all that bullcrap it entails. Willing slaves to it.

Having lived in Edmonton for a year or so I had time to formulate that opinion. There is much more American influence in our Canadian west, they look more to the south for their identity than to central Canada. Some even want to separate from the rest of the country and join you. If that happened I guess you wouldn`t need to steal our oil, it would be yours already.

Yes, Alberta is beautiful. No argument there, although I prefer British Columbia for a real Rocky Mountain rush.

Be glad, exceedingly, that you are not First or among them. Therefore you will not be Last. For the meek shall inherit the Earth and to paraphrase Churchill (not Ward), you have alot to be humble about.

Same with the Polynesians. Whiter is more attractive in all cultures. There is a univerdal standard of beauty and we're it. That's not to say all Whites embody it or all Non Whites are unattrative. Many archetypes struggle for ascendancy inside of me. I do understand Gaugan's going to Tahiti. What White Man does not feel the lure of far off lands and exotic women? Why not spread the good seed far and wide - as was done of old?

Because of race has been betrayed both from within and without and are no longer dominant in the world. We are no longer at liberty to do what we please as individuals and must serve the Race before ourselves.

The Rajahs used to invite the British Sahibs to enjoy his harem after a feast. Then he could claim the offspring as his own. The wise Rajahs knew the Truth of the Aryan Ideal when he saw it. And he knew that he wasn't it. But he wanted that height, that physique, that IQ, and that Pride in his own People again. Not so dumb at all. But why give it them when we ourselves are on the ropes now? Save our genes for ourselves.

The left does pay attention to Christian Dominionism - I get e-mails from AlterNet.com with links to articles about the issue - but mainstream neoliberal outlets like MSNBC and the New York Times aren't talking about it.

I think there is a good chance of the United States becoming Balkanized in the near future; that is, splitting up into 7 or 8 separate countries. It nearly happened during the Civil War of 1860-65, but I think we are far more fractured socially than we were then. If you think that war was bad, you ain't seen nothin' yet. Lock and load.

JHK just doesn't get it. Dick Cheney said loud and clear the "the American way is non-negotiable." That certainly settles the matter.

' But Paul is too far outside the political spectrum of the GOP to win nomination--he's the real thing, not a follower of the Tea Party's faux Libertarianism that is little ..'

In other words he has yet to be bought?
Hes now PRO Immigration, according to Vlad.

Stop this 'truce with Ass oka' fer crap sake.

What was the last NON black/ brown riot in the USA? When? Where?

"I think there is a good chance of the United States becoming Balkanized in the near future; that is, splitting up into 7 or 8 separate countries."
-madmax-

That's a Mad Max scenario, all right.

On what basis do you think this Balkanization would occur? In other words, what groups do you think would be on either side of the borderS?

And here's where defensible borders, like the Rocky Mountains or the Sonoran Desert, become important.

And Grouchy, I'm not in favor of invading Canada by any means. But there's no way you can consider the 49th parallel to be a logical or defensible border, is there?

Ron Paul does have some good pro-immigration votes in his voting record.

He has advocated the complete elimination of the Border Patrol, which he said was unconstitutional.

Ron Paul has also voted against using federal military troops on the border.

Ron Paul voted against building a wall or fence on the border.

Paul voted NO on extending the voluntary Basic Pilot Workplace Verification Program (H.R. 2359)

Paul is also in favor of granting an amnesty. He voted to extend (under 8 USC Section 245-i) amnesty for illegal aliens.

I like Paul's stand on immigrants.

Asoka and Paul are both pro-immigration (for different reasons!)

Since the mid-'90s, white riots have occurred on more than twenty college campuses, mostly as the result of crackdowns on underage drinking or earlier closing times for local bars.

Whites also have taken to rioting as the result of college football or basketball games.

Unlike people of color, who at least choose important issues to raise hell over -- like police brutality, poverty and racism -- whites lose their minds over the twin oppressions of cover charges and midnight last-calls.

Of course, if you were there, you know white police have rioted against civilians, like at the Chicago convention in 1968.
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It's a relief you aren't planning to invade Canada, Prog, but an undefended border is still a border. I'm sure we have some soldiers not in Afghanistan helping you out who could build some sort of wooden barrier, maybe even with a few forts along the way for administrative purposes. Only if the need arises, of course.

You don't really have to invade us anyway. We willingly give you all our resources and our leaders have all kissed your leaders' asses down through the years. Our respective governments are already talking about integrating the border, whatever that means, and I fear it means we will be assimilated completely and turned into yeast people too. Those of us who haven't already done so, like the ones who want to start by using American currency. Mind you, haven't heard so much about that lately, wonder why not?

O yes those Palm springs 'Spring break' riots...
Number dead? Maimed?

I'm confused by the discussion about rioting and the claim that it's always non-whites doing it. I remember watching the Democratic Convention on TV from Vancouver, at age 19, and being afraid of how easily the police could turn on a bunch of kids my own age who simply protesting against the Vietnam war. We saw it at Berkley, at Kent State, and other places too, even in Montreal in staid old Canada.

Today, we still have young people protesting globalisation, poverty and other evils. Seattle, Vancouver, Toronto, and Britain a few weeks ago. The protesters in all cases were of various pigmentation, it would be an outright lie to claim they were all non-whites. Simply not true.

Maybe my confusion arises becauses I interpret the often misused word "riot" as just a protest gone bad, usually when the cops come in to bash heads. These things are frequently not riots until the point when the cops come in. At least that's my own humble opinion.

"It's a relief you aren't planning to invade Canada, Prog, but an undefended border is still a border." -grouchy-

OK, Grouch, we'll call a truce on this issue, anyway. And at least you acknowledge that borders are legitimate. Which is more than some of the more doctrinaire CFN "liberals?" will acknowledge.

"Our respective governments are already talking about integrating the border, whatever that means,"
-grouchyOG-

I don't know what that means, either. But it would sound scary to me if I were Canadian.

"....yeast people too. Those of us who haven't already done so, like the ones who want to start by using American currency."
-grouch-

Yep, I hadn't heard about a joint US/Canadian currency - but it's certainly a BAD idea for you guys. What would we call it, anyway?
- - - the "Loony Peso Doll?" - - - -

Sounds like a deranged cantina dancer.

I find it disturbing to see the left-wing/right-wing rhetoric continue to fly in the face of evidence that shows that these are stalking horses. By and large, most progressives are as upset with Obama as many on the right are, and in many cases for the same reason. I consider myself a progressive. That means in general I believe that the US military has spent itself into ruin largely enforcing the status quo, that the most effective strategy for governance is to work at the local level rather than have the corporate/government nanny state, that the ecology should be preserved not because of any issue with global warming but because a poor environment is destructive to its inhabitants, human and otherwise.

I also believe that the corporate state has become too large and all encompassing, and that it is collapsing under its own weight, not because of any moral imperative, but because it is not an efficient solution to the problems that we are facing. I suspect that if you talk to most real progressives rather than the "liberal corporatists" that make up all too much of Washington (about in parity with the "conservative corporatists" as it happens), you'll find that most of them are writers, scientists, engineers, system theorists, researchers, architects, teachers and city planners ... people that by and large are trying to solve problems rather than get rich off of them.

I'm a systems architect. Most of my associates are researchers, university professors, senior programmers or CIOs. Unlike the average person on the street, they are for the most part QUITE aware of the problem, and are either preparing for the worst or trying to come up with solutions to ameliorate those problems, well aware of what's at stake. For the most part, they are ignored by the financial establishment, because the message that they have to say is not one that a CEO, investment manager or politician wants to hear.

The vast majority of these people are apolitical outside of their own domain, but they are worried about left and right pretty much equally, because what they see are left corporatists vs. right dominionists, and neither of these world views is going to change until the world falls apart around them, at which point it will be too late.

Don't get suckered into the left/right debate. The real debate is between those who are trying to do something about the problem and those who are seeking advantage of the crisis for their own ends. I see too many of the latter even on Jim's site.

Personally, I find that socially I have very little in common with Ron Paul, but I think he's saner than most of the people around him, and would vote for him if I felt he had a chance in hell of getting elected. Obama is a gifted young wunderkind from Chicago who made the mistake of listening to those with the largest vested interest in the status quo, and in trying to be president to everyone, he's become president to no one. Perry, Bachman, Palin, etc., are immersed in a fantasy world of their own, a confederacy of dunces who fail to recognize the distinction between symbol and substance.

The solution is simple - don't depend upon your elected leaders to solve your problems. Reach out to your friends and neighbors, don't talk about peak oil and end of the world themes but about the rising costs of groceries and the difficulty of finding work. The eye opening will come, but it will come not in a debilitating shock but in the measured manifestation of controlled anger that, properly harnessed, can build towers or raze them to the ground.

Believe it or not, there are Canadians who want us to use your currency as a first step. These are people like David Frum, the Canadian who went to Washington to write George W's speeches for him. He's a raving right wing fanatic, married to another Canadian who is the same, and part of a group of them who just love you guys and really, really want to be part of the American Dream. They will be the last ones to learn that the dream is dead.

This integration thing has been on our agenda for a couple of years, but quietly, and it is quite scary since it seems to mean you guys make demands on us and we smile and comply. Like arming our customs officers with bigger guns, and applying American inspired rules about who gets in and out. Honouring the American no-fly list. There's a lot more I'm sure, and our right wing leaders just love to suck up to the President, whoever it might be.

One of the bigger changes is that we can't even go to the USA, nor can you come here, without showing a passport. We are all accustomed to coming and going on our birth certificates and driver's licences but those aren't good enough anymore. There has always been a great deal of people crossing the border just to shop, or work, or have vacations, that can't do it anymore unless they get the passport. Seems a tad over the top for neighbours if you ask me.

Thank you. All well said.

Thing is when TSHTF - all those "unwed mother homes" for wayward christian girls will be too far away for those good, Xtian familes to hide their daughters in. Adoption will still be sought, but in no largesse fashion like today - for people will have to feed themselves first...and if you ain't got no job, no home and no hopes of gettin one....nobody's going to hand to you their child.

Birth control? Fugeddabout it. The amount of energy it takes to make it, let alone transport it....and then there's the cost of people being able to afford it (despite NO copays for insurance...for when the system falls, what good will one's HMO be?). Birth control will be the following options: oral sex, anal sex, masturbation, withdrawl or abstinence. Thing is - when people are denied their various forms of entertainment....have stress levels of that of a tweaked out meth user...or just want to feel GOOD again, people screw.

Those who stand outside clinics now will rue the day when their precious little girl announces she's pregnant and the family is barely making by on moldy cheese and dry macaroni out of their minivan in some park somewhere. Those "precious lives" they insisted be born while vigorously chanting every sperm is sacred may change their tune when it is their job to provide food for another mouth.

Problem is, the population explosion proponents have made abortion care nearly inaccessible, and with that training to do an early trimester abortion, almost nonexistent.

So, like times of old, women will self-abort or submit themselves to any old harpie, smooth-talker, best friend with a catheter and needle.

Such a sad state, really.

And as for Ron Paul - if he is a libertarian, so then am I Santa Claus. Advocating mandatatory maternity for women - enforced by the state, is hardly liberating or libertarian, whereby the individual decides what is best for ones self.

Kurt,
I don't think I've ever read your posts, but this was a good one. Speaking of sane.

I've been saying for a long time that both parties are pretty steeped in the Chicago School of Business neoliberalism and global "free markets" which are really very managed as we know.

We are facing a full spate of challenges from global trade to environmental hazards and a very bad business culture which is unsustainable.

We're stuck with dishonest leadership which can only end badly. To top it off our fourth estate is also captured by the same corportism that informs our politicians. As a polity we are not getting the information we need to vote wisely, with an understanding of what's happening. As a result our political show for mass consumption doesn't attract the leadership we need.

I am afraid however this plays out most people will never really see what the real problems are and go on some revanchist blame game.

In the words of someone from Goldman Sachs I overheard on the phone yesterday,"The average American can't get it.(pause) It's not going to be pretty."

"In the words of someone from Goldman Sachs I overheard on the phone yesterday,"The average American can't get it.(pause) It's not going to be pretty."


That is because the "average American" has been purposely dumbed down and taught to depend on "the system" (no I don't mean welfare or government subsidies) so long - that in conjunction with our "automatic society" where nearly every facet of life is automated - teh "Average" American expects it all to be fixed for him/her. Surely there is a remote, an App, a program out there somewhere that will make everything rosy again so automated living can go on.

Don't know if you watched 60 minutes Sunday, but an AMAZING statement was said by the man who interviewed Julian Assange - he stated, "Today's journalist takes the facts, and then writes his/her story on what people should think" WHOLLY SH!!!!TE!!!! There, a major newsman, in a major news organization admits that facts are absorbed and pre-digested and made palatable to the media audience - complete with message they should assimilate and defend.

The American people are like baby birds. Dependent upon mother to regurgitate sustinence in their beaks so that they may merely survive. But where the birds have us beat - they HAVE to leave the nest and fend for themselves. Automated living is not a given. For the "Average American" automated living IS the AMERICAN WAY.

BTW....don't know who said it above, but Canada is bound by NAFTA to export so many billions of barrels of oil to us each year - even if it means their own nation goes without. Nobody actually thought Cantarell (for Mexico) was sending us the crude while Mexicans were cared for, did they????

Long enough for a whole school year, which is long enough to evaluate the tone of the province. - G

To which I say bullshit.

I lived in Alberta for the better part of a decade. And what do you know of Texas? I worked for many years for a Texas based multinational company, visted Texas on business many times, got to know and worked with many Texans. I don't know Texas like Texans know Texas but I know it as well as anyone who never lived there. You don't know Texas.

Alberta is like Texas like Ontario is like Louisiana. You lived there with eyes shut and ears closed if you come up with imbecilic assertions like the ones you habitually post about the province.

I figure I know more about Canada and Canadians than you do, my friend - G

Bullshit again. You are a rank bigot pure and simple. And a fool. We are poorer because of the presence of people like you.

I don't suffer people like you gladly. This will be our last communication.

Great to hear form you EBM

Sad thing, that news media of ours..Sad thing about this population. I suspect much of it has to do with the basic fact that people are busy and can't never realized that being a free citizen in a free country requires work and personal responsibility. Freedom can be taken out from under you at any time. It may take some time for people to wake up to it, though...

I am listening to a great interview with Paul Craig Roberts.
http://www.opednews.com/Diary/Asking-Sen-Leahy-to-consid-by-Steven-G-Erickson-110906-461.html

...and am taping tonight at 9:00 on PBS Frontline "Top Secret America".

Both are related in that they are addressing the 9/11 response by building up a security complex around the event. Dana Priest who is the main journalist around the PBS show says that there is no accountability of how much money is being thrown at these contractors.

Try to catch it if you can.

Well, sadly there's no accountability about anything anymore is there?

We're gonna steal it. Yes, that's right. - MM

Entirely possible. We've been living under the fantastical notion that we have no enemies, that we can occupy what is arguably the world's richest landmass and never be challenged for it.

The question is who will challenge us? You guys? China?

Canada is still a lot like the pre-Columbian era. Relatively sparsely settled, disunited, militarily weak. And look at what happened to the Indians. We think we can project this limp and ludicrous national image of military weakness in a world run by murderers and gangsters. The fate of conquered peoples is seldom good.

We studiously ignore history. We think we can avoid a conquered people's fate because we're somehow special. What fate would that be? Mass graves and mass rape for starters. Marginalization and deprivation for the survivors.

I've heard it said by people here that think they're really smart (ie liberals) that the USA will "protect" us. Um, yeah. I'm sure you will. Or that the span of the oceans will act as a barrier. Like those waters protected the Indians from conquest.

One point though. Britain's ass was seriously at risk in WW2. But not ours, at least not right away. Germany would have been crushed by the USSR and the Red Army would have gone on to crush western Europe. So Nazi-ism wasn't long for this world. Then maybe the Soviets would have gone on to deal with us.

Your enemy (and ours too) wasn't so much Germany as it was the USSR in my estimation because of the simple fact that Germany couldn't win against the Russkis. You saved us from the Reds. So thanks for that.

And if Japan hadn't been defeated by you guys and had been allowed to consolidate their Asian conquests they could have gone on to be a serious pain in the ass for us and for you. So thanks for that too.

Montsegur, are you out there? Your grasp of history is better than mine. What's your take on this? I can't remember if we've ever discussed this.


June 2011: "People the mayor has described as "hooligans" smashed windows, lit cars on fire and started fist fights throughout the downtown core after Vancouver lost Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Final 4-0 against the Boston Bruins."

Hooligans is code for White folks rioting. St. Paul's set up a station to deal with more than 100 people suffering from injuries caused by pepper spray and tear gas, and an unspecified number of people were brought in with stab wounds and fractures.

November 2010: "Windows were smashed and police officers were among those hurt when a minority of protesters turned violent."

Protestors is code for White folks rioting. "Those arrested - mostly for criminal damage and aggravated trespass - have been released on police bail until February." If they had been Black, they wouldn't be released on bail without getting a good beating first.

Dec. 2010: "Demonstrators smashed down metal barriers as police struggled to contain the violence. At least 26 people were arrested for offences including assault, arson and burglary and some 43 protesters needed hospital treatment."

Demonstrators is code for White folks goin' wild.

April 2010: "Opposition leaders in Kyrgyzstan announced today that they had toppled the Government and taken power after a day of rioting that left as many as 100 dead and hundreds wounded. "

Opposition leaders! They were White folks killin' white folks. But color is never mentioned when white folks riot.

March 2006: San Bernadino Punk Riot "Nearly 200 police were called in to quell the riot, which lasted several hours. At least four officers were injured and two concert-goers were hospitalized, one of them being the stabbing victim. The police made over a dozen arrests. The riot caused an estimated $500,000 in damages"

Concert-goers, victims, Neo-Nazis, all rioting and all white though the article never specifies color when the rioters are white.


And people wonder why "Blacks" riot...

An "analysis of 141,000 traffic citations written by Cincinnati Police in a 22-month period found black drivers twice as likely as whites to be cited for driving without a license, twice as likely to be cited for not wearing a seat belt and four times as likely to be cited for driving without proof of insurance." A black businessman, Bomani Tyehimba, filed a lawsuit in 1999 against the city of Cincinnati. He claimed that police illegally ordered him out of his car, handcuffed him and held a gun to his head during a routine traffic stop.

Just doin' normal things, like driving, or breathing, can be dangerous if you are driving while Black, or breathing while Black.

"Well, sadly there's no accountability about anything anymore is there?"


As I often say - Kafka wasn't writing the absurd-imaginary, he wrote non-fiction!

But sadly, either most people have no idea who Kafka was...or they are in such denial that I become the blasphemer!

Oh, the curse of being awake.--It's like being in one of his novels.

You'll like the Paul Craig Roberts interview I linked to on my post.

got to go...

I should have said it's like being in Amerika!

You're right that Imperial Japan and the Soviet Union were bad news. Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't bombed just in order to defeat the Japanese forces for good; they were bombed as a way of showing Stalin that we weren't shrinking violets. Hindsight being 20/20, I think we should have spared Nagasaki and dropped the second bomb on Vladivostok.

I am onkly Interested in was questioning Riots [!!!!] in the USA..

June 2011..Canada
XUSSR..........gawd you are less than crafty in
your BS.

Personally, I find that socially I have very little in common with Ron Paul...Because?

The College Profs I speak to think the good times are just ahead! 'Hope n Change'.

Your issues regarding Canada's involvement in world events are notable. Frankly, you people, with Cash being the rare exception, don't seem to realize that the rest of the entire civilized world has long since realized that Canada, along with Norway, Switzerland, etc., etc., has long hidden themselves in the collective folds of the skirts during times of major war, of the United States and the major countries of Europe.

How you can indulge in your infantile view of your own importance vis a vis WAR is simply beyond my comprehension, and further illustrates to me just how introspective you Canadians really are. You really don't have a clue as to how many eyes are on your prize, do you? Well, my dear, let me key you in on just a few of the players, just as vicious as the U.S., and not nearly so faux apolegetic after we attack. Let's see, shall we begin with, oh, I don't know, CHINA? RUSSIA, ISRAEL, JAPAN, TURKEY??? (AND THE token bitch, Saudi Arabia in pocket)? "No, no, no, none of these", said the Red Queen to Alice. It will be....(oh, please, Grouchy, fill in your answer for this slice of the missing pie)!

With all due respect, your people are divided by ideology, religion, language, and a host of other little tiny issues that the U.S. is also overwhelmed with. Oh, and did I mention illegal immigration? Oh, my no! I must not mention that! That would put into question you sovereign pride, right? No, let's not go there!

You have a hell of a lot of nerve calling me out on a simple observation that anyone with any sense can see is the rapid de-capitalization of Canada....BY YOUR OWN RULERS! Dear God, how did you ever get to be old, let alone 'GROUCHY' by being so inherently stupid? YES, the NEW WORLD ORDER (that's the U.S. AND WHOEVER IS STILL STANDING IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS) are going to take everything (YES, I JUST SAID EVERYTHING...not just what you have in your country, but MINE TOO!) Dear god, woman, wake up and smell the coffee!

This is fer all you multi culturalists...
the last paragraph.....

Seven dogs starved of food and water for two weeks are suspected of eating their Indonesian owner after he returned to his hometown in Manado

We suspect that the dogs were hungry, so they attacked Andre, because they had not been fed for 14 days," he said. Police also found bones of two other dogs, believed to have also been eaten by the hungry canines.

Lumboga was from northern Sulawesi island, a predominantly Christian area, where the local spicy diet is famous in Indonesia for including dogs, bats and forest rats.

Dozens of officers quelled a riot early yesterday when a college celebration turned into a drunken rampage by more than 2,000 students and others who smashed windows, threw bottles and stomped cars, Chico police reported. Local hospitals treated 32 people, including two policemen, mainly for cuts from broken glass. All were released. Police said 37 people were arrested on charges of unlawful assembly, failing to disperse or assault on a peace officer. No shots were fired. The celebration in advance of last night's scheduled opening of the annual Pioneer Days, sponsored by California State University at Chico, got out of hand in an area where fraternity houses are located a few blocks from the campus.

Whites don't riot - they trample each other to death at soccer matches and Who concerts.

Who concert was 32 years ago...LI Walmart was more recent

Lee Bird, president of the Association for Student Judicial Affairs and vice president for student affairs at Oklahoma State University, said the so-called "town-gown" conflicts between communities and their universities are nothing new. "We have seen things ebb and flow ever since colleges and universities began," she said. "There were beer riots at Harvard just after it opened (in 1636)."

Were any Black and Brown students enrolled at Harvard in 1636? Nope. Just morally-challenged white folks and their normal violence toward others.

Why should the average American worry about being "dumbed down" when some of our brightest minds now insist there is no difference between a Democrat and Republican, and by extension, Antonin Scalia and Sonia Sotomayor?

I've often wondered why Whites are so violent. Now a new study sheds some light. People outside Africa have been found to be carrying some of the human X chromosomes originating from Neanderthals.

Non-Africans Carry Neanderthal DNA
http://bit.ly/ovq2Xt

Because there isn't a dime's worth of difference between Dems and Repubs. It's kinda what I tried to get across to "Grouchy Old", but it won't make a wit of difference. By the way, this isn't something new that TPTB have cooked up for your generation. It's been that way since Roosevelt, and most likely before. Sorry, that's just the way the cookie crumbles.

During a telephone conversation with my brother (the ex-black jack dealer from A.C.) I pretty much said the same thing. He didn't buy it. And he's five years older than I (that makes him a lot older than most of the CFN'ers here). He still thinks (as many do) the Dems are gonna come in on their white stallions and save the world. I'm getting tired of telling folks it just ain't gonna happen.

For the record, my older brother expressed his belief that President Obama was going to issue an extention of the "99 week unemployment benefit" to help sustain the "recovery". I nearly dropped my teeth! People just don't seem to want to admit that the great White Stallion that is "Uncle Sam" isn't going to be ABLE to save their asses when TSHTF. Folks don't seem to realize that the American economy is BROKE. UNEMPLOYMENT IS AT AN UNBELIEVABLE 9 plus percent. We have been here for no less than 3 STRAIGHT YEARS! Why is it that no one, not only clueless Americans, but the rest of the world as a whole, fail to understand that we CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY OUR BILLS?

Amazingly, not only do Europeans and, I dare say, Canadians, believe the U.S. is going to play "Jesus", but THE REST OF THE GOSH DARNED WORLD AS WELL. And I, for one, am sure as hell sorry to tell ya'll this, but...the SAVIOR ain't a comin. We're fudged! And while "Grouchy", and "Asoka" may want to blow fairy tale cotton candy up your a..holes, it's instead going to feel an awful lot like getting fxcked...in the WRONG PLACE!

I've been interviewed by reporters 3 times in my life, and after reading the resultant articles in the papers, I had to wonder if it was me they had spoken with because the articles sure didn't quote what I had said.

My conclusion is that many reporters are either incompetent or downright dishonest and self-serving.

Whites instituted something called "chattle slavery" in which slaves were considered beasts -- not human -- which justified the beating, raping, and public castration ... Historically, no other culture's practice of owning slaves was as cruel as American Slavery...

I mean really -- who else transported millions of people chained to planks for weeks at a time -- SHIPPED LIKE CARGO to other countries ...

Not the Muslims, not Native Americans, not anybody. Just morally-challenged Whites.

Wow Myrtle, you're a real Tigress! And TY for dissuading me of the mistaken notion that the Supreme Court is of considerable consequence - I have now been set straight!!!

"1)If a person believes there will be excessive inflation in the near future wouldn't it be a good plan to set aside 500 or so(?) silver ounces to pay off the mortgage in a few years?"

LOL, in what world does 20K pay off a mortgage? Maybe in 6969's dreamland of skyscrapers to Mars. That would barely pay off a year's worth of mortgage payments for the majority of your McMansion *owners* in the USofA (wow, with a good 80%+ of that pure interest to the banksters!).

If you had the cash to pay off a 4%/5%/6%/7%+ loan, you should have prolly done that a long time ago. What's the point paying it off now, when everything comes to a *crash*? To make sure the banks don't come rolling up on your property with a couple humvees and a tank?!...

"2) With the hand writing on the wall regarding peak oil does anyone else find it interesting that Boeing and Airbus continue to recieve billions of dollars worth of new airplane orders from the airline industry?"

That one's easy - tax writeoffs via depreciation... Same old ponzi scheme (pay off plane over 20-30 years, take the tax benefits in the first 2-4 years, pyramid it, then eventual bankruptcy bailout [taxpayer-funded "privatized profit/publicised loss"] for remaining debt owed).

Hottest year on record, even breaking the prior record from 2010? You don't *say*. Wait until next year (next record setter), then the year after that (next record setter), then the next 5-7 years of peak solar irradiance/sunspot cycle max - this coming decade just might stick the fork in us all, for good (like Mickey J, "He's *DONE*")...

Whoa, not so fast on Rick Perry and his “corn-pone“ crew as the second coming of the Third Reich. Joe Scarborough thinks otherwise:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wWrfZbQrxQ&feature=related

Is there any doubt, when it comes to politics Americans are the world’s biggest Drama Queens.

I didn't realize there is accelerated depreciation for airplanes. Can you really depreciate the entire plane over a 2-4 year period? Sounds like investment property real estate in the early '80's.

And here we go again with whites being the eternal "anti-Christs". Jesus, it never ends for you, does it? The gosh darned Egyptians enslaved each other for years and years, for reasons, upon other things, place of birth or darkness of skin. But no, we're going to beat the damned "white race" to a pulp, because they repeated the same sins of the past.

Sin? You're damned right. Keeping anyone in servitude without pay and "owning" them is immoral and outrageous. Anyone who claims otherwise is a liar, plain and simple. An "apology" isn't enough, in my opinion. But how do you do "reparations"? I'm not mocking affirmative action or civil rights. As you know, I've been fighting for civil rights for years.
If you've got some solution, I for one would be more than willing to hear it. By the way, we're broke, as a country. Possible solution? Let's let the leaders of the NAACP run the Federal Reserve for the next two years. Personally, I don't think this is a bad idea at all.

I'll start off and say American's slavery was reprehensible and evil. But what about so-called "white slavery", where white women and children are stolen away and sold, often for sexual purposes? Or Native-Americans' nasty habit in the 19th century of capturing whites, tying them to a stake ans stripping long strips of skin off them?

Look, I'm not trying to minimize what people of color have gone through at the hands of westerners, but I believe singling whites out as if they are the only evil-doers is just plain wrong. Your attitude, for one who is supposedly so serene, makes me feel despair that we humans will ever shed our prejudices and hatreds.

Sure, I can't honestly say I don't have any prejudices, but if so they aren't conscious. To disparage someone because of their racial genotype is just plain ignorant and stupid. One of my nephews is married to a Kenyan and has a son; and another nephew is married to a Chinese and also has a son; a 3rd nephew is gay. I care about all of them equally. Family get-togethers can look like the United Nations.

Buck Stud, there are many here who believe "there's not a dime's worth of difference" between Democrats and Republicans.

I think it is a convenient cop-out, an excuse for not getting involved in politics. After all, if there isn't any difference then even voting is a waste of time ... because ... wait for it ... WE ARE ALL FUCKED!

That is the fatalistic victim mentality that rules CFN, the ones so in the know, so awake, that all they can do is wallow in existential anguish at the horror of it all (and feel good because they think they understand what is going on, not like the "sheeple" who live in the dark).

Such is the victim-hood of the arrogant elite.

Cash,

I love Canada! It is an incredibly beautiful country. I've been to British Columbia, Alberta (my favorite), Ontario and Quebec. The U.S. doesn't deserve to have such a nice neighbor to the north.

SLAPPY predicted, "...Everyone should have a stash of silver and or gold to pay the rent for a few years. Couple this with learning a new skill ie making food, fixing a bike or motorcycle, sewing clothes. Plus have somekind of backup to make your dwelling habitable in the event of complete lack of services, a gross of candles would be a good start."

Sounds great slappy, except gold and silver are scarce and expensive...I have all of the above skills, will I be able to trade for gold or silver? Or for food? But candles? We aren't going to the middle ages immediately.

Ane siad, "There IS no SOLUTION to the current situation. If you think there is one, you are either retarded or not paying attention. There are only STRATEGIES for dealing with what is about to happen, some of which Orlov has mentioned either in his book or his blog (as has Kunstler). All any of us can do is pick a strategy and hope we're right when TSHTF. Most of us will be wrong, and consequently probably dead."

Here is why Orlov is most certainly fooling us: he lives in the US, the land of collapse. Eh.. ? Why is that? Orlov "Reinvents" Collapse, although all it is is some oddball's call on how things will go here as opposed to Russia, a situation which was dissimilar.

Now, why are you picking a strategy now for a future that you have only read about, some book author's opinion about vast world events?

Look, Orlov is a sideshow freak, a fraud, and everybody is his mark. Its weird how people bow down to his point of view.

You're probably new here so here's how the next election cycle will play out: The dems are going to destroy the republican and the year-long torture (which began Monday) will cause further gnashing of teeth and tearing of hair.

Myrtlemay, you have lived a life of white privilege and you did not have to face indignity after indignity during your formative years. I lived through Jim Crow. I have feared for my own life many a time because of white terrorism in the USA.

Great that you participated in the civil rights movement. Thank you for your service.

Did you ever read John Howard Griffin's book, BLACK LIKE ME (published in 1961) after your Bryn Mawr experience? Very few white people have any idea what what it was like to live in Black skin as a second-class citizen denied...

I have had the experience of living in a KKK-controlled part of the country, being called a nigger, being denied access to public facilities, being threatened, being told to move on ("nigger don't let the sun set on you in this town"), being denied housing, employment, etc.

So, Beantown is right to feel discouraged about my attitude. I feel discouraged also that I still have anger inside, anger which only hurts me, and which I have not been able to transcend.

And Beantown is right that it is stupid to accuse a whole race of being guilty of those actions my people have suffered from ... when people like you and Beantown were not actively engaged in perpetuating structural violence against my people. Intellectually I can see it, but emotionally it still hurts, and occasionally I lapse into stupid accusatory behavior. I have no rational excuse.

"Look, Orlov is a sideshow freak, a fraud, and everybody is his mark. Its weird how people bow down to his point of view. "

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My sentiments also. Very nicely put.

Funny, your observation: he chooses to live in the land of collapse? Maybe he just likes collapse and plans to go from one collapse to the next hawking his paranoid wares?

Or maybe he just understands how to apply the Wille Sutton principle to easy marks in America?

CORRECTION

Willie Sutton

Asoka, so you admit its conniving immigrants creating all this "economic growth" when in fact they are simply get-rich-quick scam artists? Look, if you don't have a card, and are here illegally, what else is there besides criminal activity?

America is the land of 1,000 scams. You've got the baby boom generation heading into Alzheimer's Zone soon. That is a lot of money to be had for anyone selling anything over the phone or door-to-door... that is, if the private and public health care trap doesn't git em!

"...but I believe singling whites out as if they are the only evil-doers is just plain wrong. Your attitude, for one who is supposedly so serene, makes me feel despair that we humans will ever shed our prejudices and hatreds."
-bill, concerning asoka-

Bingo, Bill!

It's interesting that many posters, including myself, will angrily call Vlad on his racist spew.

But asoka goes on and on and on about how "whites" were the most evil race EVER - and it's rare that anyone will counter him, other than Vlad, Newworld, or one of the other acknowledged racists.

And the winner of this week's prize for the number of posts with an angry racist theme - has to go to asoka - by a wide margin.


Nobody does it Better

Yes, step right up folks get ready for the big 9/11 biggest show in our global town. Our media is going to get a great big ratings boost come hell or high water..Can't let history pass you by without making a killing in advertising spots.

You'll laugh, you'll cry. You'll have stories of your own. You won't ask questions of how a small band of Saudis could pull this off.

Everywhere you look there'll be images and stories to remind you of that magnificent, but fateful day ten years ago that rocked our world. Our dear leaders' fears leading us into two costly wars, which are being fought for reasons we'll never know. And here we sit with a suppressed global depression hanging over our heads ten years later.
Hint, oil, pipelines and rampant privatization to benefit a very few. It's the old tail that wags the dog routine. Ain't it something to behold. I'm in awe.

It's really revving up today with Rick Stengal on Morning Joe showing the special edition of TIME magazine with great b/w moody photos of all the playas incl. of course, the war criminal himself, the Man without a Pulse. There are striking photos by James Nachtwey a fine war front photographer I worked with briefly during my days at TIME.
Tom Brokaw shared his experiences with us and there will be countless other stories that will be dissected ad nauseam in front of our very eyes.

Last night I was listening to Paul Craig Roberts, former Reagan Asst. Sec. Treasury and Wall St. Journal editor discussing the 9/11 events on very different terms. These aspects of the day will never be discussed, though. Regardless of what anyone believes, the other sides of the story are not for mass consumption. The message must be managed, like the market, like the military involvements for the sake of multinationals to make the world safe for McDonald's and Coke. Building 7 will not be discussed. The govt. sponsored, giant security complex with untold taxpayer money thrown at them to protect us will not be discussed.
(I do hope you guys caught the Frontline special of "Secret America" last night.)

Well, those of us who follow MSM will slog through this media blitz and listen carefully to little inferences that might slip out as we observe the the greatest show on earth.
--Nobody puts on a show like we do--Nobody does it better.

Hi Grouchy - Just a note. I have replied to this but it's been held in modertaion queue probably because it has external links in it. Hopefully JHK will clear it.

ProCon said: "and it's rare that anyone will counter him, other than Vlad, Newworld, or one of the other acknowledged racists..."

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And you.

I called my own damn self out on my racism in my comment of September 7, 2011 12:56 AM.

I can admit my racism, I know where it comes from, and I'm not proud of it.

I am not urging people to join anti-immigrant organizations founded or funded by racists like you are.

I support pro-immigrant policies because I know what it is like to arrive somewhere only to be told to leave.

Dear Asoka,
You are one of the responders on this web site that constantly points to the fact that you are the victim and savior of the american population. You have all the answers so you feel, because you have been the victim of this culture. Well whoever you are, Asoka, you are just a sorry sack who likes to complain and then sits back in your narcisstic world and waits for others to attack you (or agree) and then feel vindicated (or victimized) to prove you are so superior. I can assume by your rants, you are an immigrant, who wants socialism in this country, hates successful people because most probably you are not successful. Just a hint, your attitude is destructive instead of constructive. Go back to your original country, and chances are you will be ignored and accepted as just one of the masses who are exactly like you. On the other hand, maybe you are just nuts!

MM,
As you can plainly see, nobody likes a Cassandra.

Personally, I have a tendency to listen to people with more lifetime experience than I do. You have a lot of insight into what goes on in the "corridors of power", so your views are to be paid attention to.

Those who pooh-pooh your opinions are scared of what is developing before their very eyes. This is the source of their denial; of course they'd like the good times to roll on forever. (Sure, I would too, but it's not to be, so I'm attempting to scale down, learn new/old things, and get used to it. It's not going to "ensure survival", but it may give me a somewhat better chance at passing something sustainable on to the kids. ...Who sure as hell are gonna need it, as they are pretty much clueless.)

Be apprised that some of us value your experience and warnings. Long experience is a helluva teacher.

...As for those who deride D. Orlov. Here's a slice of a review for his latest edition, from a Canadian:

"In the newly revised version of Reinventing Collapse, first published in 2008 before the financial crisis began later that year, Orlov expands on his attempt to convince you that the U.S. is much less prepared for collapse than the Soviet Union ever was. Though headlines declaring the end of America won't appear anytime soon, Orlov forecasts that collapse will happen for each person individually, as they are rudely awakened from the American Dream. And while his propositions can be frightening at times, he understands that forecasts of superpower collapse will either frustrate or alienate most people, or end up largely ignored -- until it's too late."

Well, there's the premise. Take it or leave it, as you will. However, as history always shows, Hubris is followed by Nemesis.

(Rest of the review...)

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2011/08/reinventing-collapse-in-us-and-canad.html

Thankyou SJMom,

I've said many times to people here that if it were anyone other than you guys to the south of us that Canada would have had the life expectancy of a moth in a bonfire. As it is we've benefitted enormously from having the USA as our neighbour. Never mind grubby business and money, we've also got family ties.

Relatives of mine started moving to the US in the late 1800s. I had relatives that served in the US Army and Marines in WW2. One was an infantryman that was wounded in France, his brother was in a combat engineer unit and survived physically unscathed. The Marine was a mechanic and served his hitch stateside as an instructor.

In this neck of the woods anti-Americanism is rife. You hear it all the time. Along with anti-Alberta and anti-western bigotry (see Grouchy Old Girl's spewings) it's the last socially acceptable prejudice. It's vomitory.

WRT to your favourite - Alberta - our taxpayer funded TV and radio broadcaster did some interviews a while back with Albertans on the street to examine their LACK of anti-American bias. You read right - their LACK of anti-Americanism. Your affection for Alberta was reciprocated.

The wide eyed amazement of the CBC interviewers at what they apparently saw as a most un Canadian lack of contempt for you guys was cringe inducing in the extreme. Not to mention unbecoming and STUPID. Hard to fathom why we taxpayers give a billion a year to those ninnies.

Read "The Nine Nations of North America" or Civil War 2. Both make plausible arguments for Balkanization. Both are a little dated now though.

Interesting point about the USSR. I hadn't thought of that particular angle, that Truman was thinking in terms of Soviet perceptions of the US.

You are correct that following WW2 Canada hid under the US nuclear umbrella and behind conventional US armed might. For which service our sophisticates never fail to boot you guys in the slats (you war mongering bastards, couldn't you see that Stalin was a good man that meant well and wanted nothing but the best for humanity). No good deed goes unpunished as they say.

But in WW1 and WW2 Canucks didn't hide. In WW1 and WW2 Canada was a country of about ten million that sent a total 1.6 million men to war, 110 thousand of which never came back, hundreds of thousands more of which were wounded. Plus we were in both wars from the get go.

Having said that, the main point is that Canada was a relatively minor player in both wars. We started both wars with virtually nothing in terms of military capability. If we had told Great Britain to go fly a kite, that we weren't going to indulge their doddering Victorian generals and aristocrats in their homicidal fantasies, IMO WW1 at least would have gone ahead just fine without us.

My understanding is that WW2 was in the main a fight between Germany and the USSR. The fight in western Europe and the Pacific were sideshows to the main event. At the battle of Kursk the USSR and Germany had more soldiers, tanks, planes and artillery in that one battle than existed on the whole front in the west. I read that of 14 million German war casualties in WW2 that the USSR accounted for ten million of them.

Would Great Britain have survived without Canuck participation in WW2? Hard to tell, as it was the Brits survived by the skin of their teeth. Maybe our absence would have been enough to make the Brits sue for peace with Hitler.

IMO the huge service that the USA provided was to invade in Europe and therefore contain the Red Army to Eastern Europe. Without that there's not much doubt in my mind that the Soviets would have rolled clear through to the English Channel. And you got rid of that pestilential Japanese militarism once and for all. We haven't heard a squeak from them since.

I'm kind of down with this.

https://occupywallst.org/

At least these people are willing to express themselves. (pun intended)

One aspect of the stock exchange that has always got my goat is that ffffing flag draped across the building.

I can only imagine the jokes and remarks that must have sprang from its installation.

The US democracy - bought and paid for by Wall Street.

Our other contribution in WW2 was industrial production. I suspect Canada was involved in that also. I guess that we would be unable to repeat that performance today.
I'm with SJMom about Canada. It is a great place. It reminds me of America when I was young. a virtuous society. It seems to me both capitalism and socialism work better there. Maybe a naive view.
As far as anti-Americanism is concerned, the same element is just as anti-American stateside.

A note of explanation. I got personal with Grouchy calling her a bigot and a fool. I try to avoid doing things like this but in this case I'm not apologizing because sometimes you have to call it as it is. People like Grouchy and her analogues in the US are too stupid to understand that they're playing with dynamite.

In the September 2011 Report on Business on the back page there's an interview with the head honcho of the Banff Centre, an arts institution in Alberta. And the inevitable question: but isn't Alberta redneck country? And by "redneck" the interviewer wasn't being complimentary. Did the editors of the ROB think that folks in Alberta like reading shit like this?

Why this is acceptable discourse in a national publication or any publication is utterly beyond me. If this kind of talk is ok then why not refer to Jews as cheap and mean, to Blacks as lazy and shiftless, to Muslims as violent and irrational?

Here we have a situation where previous Liberal national governments (and their ideological supporters) based in the east inflicted policies and torrents of insults and ridicule on people living in the west, particularly Alberta. They sowed regional division, fouled our politics and national discourse to the point where it would be easier to elect Taliban than a Liberal in huge parts of the prairies. This is a really sick and troubling situation and one that was entirely avoidable.

One of our nationally known columnists (Chantal Hebert) said on a TV show that if Quebec had been subjected to the same shit by a national govt that Alberta had been subjected to that it would have been an independent country long ago.

What Grouchy and her fellow travellers don't get is that Alberta has within it multitudes of people from other parts of the country, particularly from central and eastern Canada. She doesn't know or doesn't care that all the verbal abuse is abuse thrown at family. You can strain family ties only so much. Sooner or later the elastic snaps.

The kind of crap spewing out of Grouchy and the Report on Business and out of many garbage holes in the US - for example - refering to their fellow citizens in the south and rural areas as tattooed cretins is the kind that lights the fuse. And it never fails to ignite my fury particularly when I hear it directed by urban know nothings at places like my hometown. This is typically talk from people that have no idea what they're talking about.

Right now I would say that the shit for brains spouting this stuff had better give their heads a shake. I don't think I need to elaborate too much. Most people will get it. Some like Grouchy may not. The dysfunction is Washington is just a reflection of animosities nurtured by idiots that ought to have known better. Shouting precedes shooting. You guys have been down this road so many of you will know that national breakups are seldom cordial, rather, they have a tendency to turn into bloodbaths.

To say I am sick of hearing the kind of talk coming out of people like Grouchy (on both sides of the border) would be an understatement.

End of sermon.


"The world wants to take us to the place where you don't have to use a car eleven times a day"

Lets see...I work from a home office. Use my car once a day for 3 miles to the gym/groceries or whatever. If you take it away - I can bike instead. Wife drives 3 miles to work - take it away and she can take a bus. Longer distance trips on weekends - those are a luxury we can do without.

This scenario is similar for many Americans. In other words, there is room for lots of contraction in the oil supply without widespread collapse - if and when people adapt.

But, my scenarios above don't apply to large industry, logistics, big box stores and agri-business - they will never adapt and will therefore disappear.

I have read that somewhere in the bowels of walmart they have a contingency plan for moving back into old small town centers with down sized facilities. I don't know how true it is, but maybe even the big boys are quietly making preparations.

These evil old women like Auntie and Grouchy are a curse of our civilization. That being said, Blacks as a group are lazy, Muslims violent, and Jews, mean. Where does prejudice come from after all? Group experience passed onto others. Call it folk wisdom. Sometimes it's complete shit but more often there's more than a little truth in it.

The Quebecois were absolutely right to stay out of WW1. Imagine if the Anglo world has showed equal wisdom.

This link supports Cash's assertion: that sexual attraction trumps race loyalty, even under the threat of tribal ostracism. - Buck

I base my assertion on simple observation. Around here you see mixed race couples of all sorts. I heard once that more than half of all south Asians find mates outside their own ethnic/racial background.

I think you have to go into the deep recesses of the id to understand the why of it. For me it's better with Asian chicks. I don't know why it is, it just is. Different types of women bedazzle different guys. I never could figure out what women look for. What evolutionary/environmental twists and turns makes us want what we want?

Gems from Rush just now: being moderate is to be without principle, without an anchor. It's to exist to be seen as something rather than existing as being something. It's hard to debate them because there's nothing there - at best it's a tactic. So you end up debating tactics rather than substance. Be moderate? About what? And why?

This is the history of Conservatives over the last sixty years: always being on the defence, always being a rear guard defence during retreat.

Thrice the Normans attacked the Saxon shield wall at Hastings and twice they were thrown back. The third time they broke it. If the Saxons had attacked the retreating Normans after either of the first two attacks, they might have won. A commitment to defence is a comittement to defeat. As once Norman Lord wrote to another about the Irish who were without armor, "Our opponents are naked, strike Barons, strike! Truly our opponents like Grouchie are naked in their ignorance.

The Saxons had a higher Culture than the ferocious "civilizaed" Normans. England's future would have been better if the Saxons had won.

People follow the crowd, the reasoning being that all those people couldn't be wrong could they?

So where do prejudices come from? Prejudice, like stupidity, is a virus that passes from brain to brain. In my younger years, when it was directed at me, I used my fists to apply the cure.

Britain was capable of fighting its own wars. They didn't need us. Too bad we didn't listen to Quebeckers in 1914. It would have saved us a mountain of dead and a river of blood. What the hell was it all about anyway? I've never heard a convincing explanation.

Dear Insufferable,

You are one of the responders on this web site that constantly points to the fact that you are the victim and savior of the american population.

On the contrary, I mostly try to stay out of the race commentary on this blog, I rarely portray myself as a victim as I did this week, and I usually try to offer solutions ... which does not make me a "savior."

You have all the answers so you feel, because you have been the victim of this culture.

I have never claimed to have all the answers, but I can share my own experiences as a victim of White culture. We all are to the extent that the world's ecosystem has been destroyed by WASP activity.

Well whoever you are, Asoka, you are just a sorry sack who likes to complain and then sits back in your narcisstic world and waits for others to attack you (or agree) and then feel vindicated (or victimized) to prove you are so superior.

I have contributed many suggestions for creative responses to energy contraction that in no way qualify as "complaining." I plead guilty to being a narcissist and you have helped by keeping the focus on me. :)

I can assume by your rants, you are an immigrant, who wants socialism in this country, hates successful people because most probably you are not successful.

I can assume you come from a family of immigrants as well, unless you are Native American, but your ancestors were probably not brought over chained to the planks of a boat.

I am successful by my definition of success: living in voluntary poverty with no debts, no mortgage, and modest assets earning 12.25% ...

Just a hint, your attitude is destructive instead of constructive.

This is your opinion. I do not share it.

Go back to your original country, and chances are you will be ignored and accepted as just one of the masses who are exactly like you.

Thank you the suggestion. I may be leaving the USA for another country ... on my timetable, not yours.

On the other hand, maybe you are just nuts!

You can read my posts on CFN going back years. They are polite, use English properly, and often contain good information. How you can conclude from my writings that I might be nuts is baffling.

Oh, and as I have said to many before you: if my posts upset you by presenting a different worldview, please just scroll over them and don't bother to respond to them.

Thank you, insufferable.

Dear Insufferable,

You are one of the responders on this web site that constantly points to the fact that you are the victim and savior of the american population.

On the contrary, I mostly try to stay out of the race commentary on this blog, I rarely portray myself as a victim as I did this week, and I usually try to offer solutions ... which does not make me a "savior."

You have all the answers so you feel, because you have been the victim of this culture.

I have never claimed to have all the answers, but I can share my own experiences as a victim of White culture. We all are to the extent that the world's ecosystem has been destroyed by WASP activity.

Well whoever you are, Asoka, you are just a sorry sack who likes to complain and then sits back in your narcisstic world and waits for others to attack you (or agree) and then feel vindicated (or victimized) to prove you are so superior.

I have contributed many suggestions for creative responses to energy contraction that in no way qualify as "complaining." I plead guilty to being a narcissist and you have helped by keeping the focus on me. :)

I can assume by your rants, you are an immigrant, who wants socialism in this country, hates successful people because most probably you are not successful.

I can assume you come from a family of immigrants as well, unless you are Native American, but your ancestors were probably not brought over chained to the planks of a boat.

I am successful by my definition of success: living in voluntary poverty with no debts, no mortgage, and modest assets earning 12.25% ...

Just a hint, your attitude is destructive instead of constructive.

This is your opinion. I do not share it.

Go back to your original country, and chances are you will be ignored and accepted as just one of the masses who are exactly like you.

Thank you the suggestion. I may be leaving the USA for another country ... on my timetable, not yours.

On the other hand, maybe you are just nuts!

You can read my posts on CFN going back years. They are polite, use English properly, and often contain good information. How you can conclude from my writings that I might be nuts is baffling.

Oh, and as I have said to many before you: if my posts upset you by presenting a different worldview, please just scroll over them and don't bother to respond to them.

Thank you, insufferable.

Vlad,

Put another way, if you're not playing to win, you're playing to lose. Which is exactly why politicians don the armor of the Moderate - to win. If a politician presents a single ideological, concrete profile in the current world of politics they will get annihilated. Politics is now the art of the Cubist presentation: how does Rick Perry mollify the anti-immigration tea party on one hand, while not alienating the Hispanic vote on the other?

A different facet for every interest group and if different groups have consensus the lines of demarcation between facets are strategically allowed to blur in the interest of voting bloc convergence/amplification. If, however, a politician is courting seemingly disparate groups, the lines of demarcation between presented facets are intensified,(and ironically, the status of the Moderate further entrenched by the spirit of it's deception)thus denying one plane of political doublespeak easy access to another.

In today's politics, the spirit of the straight- up shooter is employed only to erect these walls of demarcation between disparate voting blocks. In seeking to present the illusion of singular integrity, the Moderate moderates the domain of any given political facet. But in truth there are no more waffling moderates, only the politician standing steadfast on a soon to vanish facet of orchestration. It's the camouflage of mass media with too many dramas and catastrophes for the average person of disparate voting blocks to decipher and process.

Those simple, honest politicians with their feet planted in the integrity and solidity of the earth - they're 4 and 5% losers.

Thanks, Trippticket, for the very complete account of what you are doing NOW to get ready for the collapse that will soon be on us all (your post here on 9/6/11 at 2:11 PM).

Jim, everybody who is reading this blog knows what's coming. I want to hear from more people like Trippticket, who have found a way to wean themselves off the grid and the 2,000-mile salad, and into the new lifestyle of the latter 21st century.

Maybe you could do a blog sometime on "This is working for me, right now," or for your next book, write a prequel to "World Made By Hand" about some guy named Trippticket in Georgia, who started reading crazy rants on the "Chester Fleck Nation" blog, acted on the info, and succeeded.

I'm sorry for the suffering that you have experienced, Asoka. I truly am. But I'd urge you to try to put the suffering on hold, for the sake of your family, and work on finding yourself a sustainable community.
In the face of the complete system-wide collapse that confronts us all, no one is going to have a whole lot of time or resources to right the wrongs that previous, and now dead, generations wrought on each other.
What have you been building in your own life that will increase your family's chances of survival? I'd like to hear that from you, if possible.

I _do_ know a bit about racial suffering myself-- Ethnically, I'm a Gypsy (or more correctly, a Rom). Millions of us were killed by the Nazis and by Stalin, and had been hunted, killed, and run out of town in Europe for centuries before the first African slave hit the Americas. We are still widely despised today. The few times I have been to Europe, my family name has routinely caused suspicion and interrogation at border crossings, despite the American passport.
You can bet that anyone known to be Rom is going to have a hard time in the crisis/collapse.

Currently, I live and work among Black Americans. I have observed two things of interest; 1) They are polite and good acquaintances, but treat me with much more distance than any of their friends. Some Black Americans, who I have known for years, still treat me as an acquaintance, with distance. 2) Almost all of them despise Black Africans, and do not get along with them. Black Africans also generally despise Black Americans as 'hybrids' or 'not truly African.'

So Asoka, what I see from outside of both racial groups is:
1) how very much alike they are, Blacks and Whites in America. We keep with our own because it's more comfortable. This is not different from any other ethnic group, so I don't hold it against blacks any more than against whites, who do the same thing.
2) You, Asoka, are not in any sense an 'African.' You are in every sense an American. People have treated you badly--Alas! Whites and Blacks treat me badly too, every day. I try to remember what Colin Powell said, that if someone has a problem with one's race, then its THEIR problem.

In another 50 years, its likely that Blacks and Whites will be so blended that they will be indistinguishable from each other. My grandchildren, on the other hand, will likely still be despised as gypsies.

Best of luck to all in the coming collapse--

found this online...thought you might enjoy.....


catalina: It is important to understand that Knox's very LIFE is actually in danger there. The rate of "suicide" in Italian prisons is VERY HIGH - nearly four times the combined rates of suicide and EXECUTIONS even in the State of Texas. "Suicide" is Italy's answer to having no "death penalty": involundary suicide takes its place. These prosecutors have shown even in court that they are psychotic and even sciopathic: they are mentally unbalanced and utterly divorced from reality, and are scrambling to protect their fantasy. Underlying this all is, IMHO, a very dirty little secret: that Amanda and not Meredith was actually the target of this murder, and that Rudy was acting upon orders from a colleague of the late career police investigator, intelligence officer and national hero Nicola Calipari, seeking to balance the "dishonor" bestowed when an American soldier killed Calipari and wounded a woman journalist under his protection in the war zone in Baghdad in 2005. Police and prosecutors are desperate cover this up and to remove the blame from Rudy before he reveals the matter publicly (or has it revealed for him in event of "accident".)

They have sought at every turn to shield Rudy from questioning and to put ALL the blame on Knox so that Rudy can be exonerated and released - fulfilling their bargain with him. Staging a "suicide" for Amanda Knox is not beyond these Italians' ability, and planting another false "confession" that exonerates Rudy is just what they would like to do.


This case is a powderkeg.

In the bad old days, the 1960's, some of us used to watch Saturday morning cartoons. Underdog is one I remember, so, there was one guy on there who was always trying to take over the world, Simon Barr Sinister. He was a short, ugly little creep, and he used to jump up and down yelling, "Money and power, and money and power, and money and power, and money and power!" He reminds me a lot of the Republicans in Congress and most of the Presidential candidates, except for Paul. He even physically resembles Dick Cheney and William Crystal.

I don't wish all these cock sucking multi culturalists the best of luck.

Have any of these left wing pinhead do gooders ever taken responsibility for 9/11, they're all indirectly responsible. If it wasn't for all the open borders/ we're all decended from immigrants dogshit, most of the idiots that blew stuff up wouldn't have been here. Except for Vlad Krantz and asia, I can't think of anyone else on here who would have shut the Goddamn border. Leftists doing what leftists always do best, trashing the society that produced them.

Think of the incredible suffering the Rom have inflicted on the native peoples of Europe - and how it is ever increasing as the Rom population explodes with maximal use of the welfare system. This cannot continue. Assimilate and turn away from the culture of trickery and parasitism and become useful citizens of your respective nations. Even better - return to India.

ctemple said: "If it wasn't for all the open borders/ we're all decended from immigrants dogshit, most of the idiots that blew stuff up wouldn't have been here."

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All 19 hijackers were here legally. 9/11 had nothing to do with illegals crossing open borders.

That would explain alot. Obviously Rudy did it and Foxy Knoxy has been the fall girl. This would explain why - though how anyone can find satisfaction or revenge in random killing is beyond me. Getting even with a person responsible, I get. But not something like this.

Good Buck. Now you see why democracy so called must be limited to those who are qualified to vote by education, income, and/or service to the State. Obviously anyone on welfare must forgo the vote too - until such time as they can qualify again. Otherwise we have what we have now - a welfare state which is importing in ever more "voters".

Michelle Bachmann says she will get gasoline down to $2 a gallon when she is President. ROTFLMAO.

First

Aibohphobia said: "What have you been building in your own life that will increase your family's chances of survival? I'd like to hear that from you, if possible."

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I have carefully and systematically built an alternative to collapse in the USA.

I moved minutes from the southern border, ready to escape the USA, if things get really bad.

I learned Spanish and built a place where I can survive without money in another country. I can easily move there, if necessary.

I learned how to build adobe houses from the earth under our feet, houses which don't need external energy inputs.

I am learning about permaculture and will learn gardening.

I have paid off all my debts and my house mortgage and my car. I owe no one money, and have a small investment portfolio earning a modest 12.25% to stay ahead of inflation/devaluation.

I have learned the difference between want and need. There are very few things I need to survive.

I have become a vegan and learned how to fast. I don't panic if a few days go by without food. It actually makes me feel better.

Recognizing we all have to die someday, I have learned meditation, which is rehearsal for death, so as to overcome the fear of leaving my body behind, preferring to die rather than kill anyone, and eliminating the need for any kind of weapons stash or precious metals stash to have to defend. It's about overcoming fear of death and fear of The Other.

I have become part of a community to provide opportunities to help others, and to provide opportunity to dance and sing and enjoy life together.

Those a just a few things off the top of my head.


You sound like a good American, the type that needs to stay in the country and stand up for what America should be and what it was intended to represent to the world. I would only disagree with the lack of self-defense. I would not commit murder; however, I would kill in self-defense. If you look at it this way, if a person comes at you with a knife, gun, or any weapon, then he has put his own life on the line to commit an act that is clearly wrong. If you defend your body, which is a part of your life, then you have done nothing wrong. Think it over. I read this blog at times and it is really a blog full of anger and hate -- such stuff comes from all sides, right and left, conservative and liberal, democrat and republican ..... all the best.

"Be apprised that some of us value your experience and warnings. Long experience is a helluva teacher." Ozone

Thanks for that. Funny, you, Ozone, Q, Asoka, Vlad, Cash, even Grouchy (and many others)were the subject of my intense curiousity that fateful, hot summer night I first decided to jump on board on this blog! I remember because Grouchy had struck a nerve with me and I had to post a reply (isn't that always the way? ;)) All I remember was that it was hot as the dickens in my apartment, Grouchy was bitching about something, and I said to myself, "Hell, I'm gonna do some bitching myself, dammit!"

And so began my experience here on James' site. I had, of course, read his books. Reading differing opinions continues to intrigue me.

That being said, I try like hell not to sound like some old drone, warning everyone about the End of Times. I take it in the spirit of Tripp. I believe we are in for a major scale back version of everything in the world, not just in the U.S. Like Tripp, I don't necessarily think it's going to be such a horrible thing. It will take a lot of strength, courage, and chutzpah. But in the end, we'll all be better people. Oh, yeah, I lot (and I mean a LOT) of us are going to die because we won't have taken the necessary and reasonable attitude adjustments that will be a requirement in the decades to come.

Asoka mentioned that he practices meditation as well as fasting. I have no reason to believe he's making this up. He will be one of the survivors. I'd almost be willing to put some $ on it.

Yep and here in the Seattle area, the big box guys like JCPenney and Target are moving back into smaller locations downtown. This may carry them over for the next while until (pick your choice) their supply chain breaks down or the financial system crashes. It's heartening to see some local small businesses doing well but it will be really disheartening to see most of them go down when the real crash hits.

And the mulatto promised hope n change...
still laughing on the floor?


One Dimensional thinking

The level of discourse by some on this blog never ceases to amaze me.
The last comment about the mulatto is beyond stupid.

One would have thought that anyone posting on this blog would be more interested in figuring out the complexity of the situation we find ourselves in as we see the breakdown of this country and the disintegration of our checks and balances, but no. It's just the simplest form of racism as if by a 5 year old.

Then there are those who have posted in the last couple of days, again making angry epithets about liberals and multi-culturism. Again no thought behind anything they say, just anger and frustration. Part of the problem is that they have no understanding of the argument and don't care to stretch their minds--it's pure lazy thinking is all and lowers this blog to nothing special.
Oh, they think Medicare and SS are only for the minorities and the poor. Take a look at the hospital bills sometime and let me know how they'll get paid. Will you get to keep your house?

In a nutshell these comments are profane and add no insight into any of the topics they choose to discuss.

There's no recognition that there is a balkanization going on here, which we are all feeling. That the unemployed would much rather be working for a real wage that would allow them to afford this very expensive country to live in. With the trade deals, and the importation of lower-wage foreigners for jobs here, and the non-stop exportation of jobs to third world countries, tell me how are the American people going to continue in the middle class?

Medical expenses have gone through the roof. How will any of us afford it in the future, given the trajectory of this? Obama tried to fix the problem, helped on some issues, like pre-existing conditions, but the lobbyists and the industries stepped in and did their money magic. Obama should have held out for the public option, but was advised by the wrong team he picked to abandon the idea, just to get the thing passed. It's not a good bill, unfortunately and he really didn't make history. Problem is he thought that would help with the jobs issue, but it backfired.

When he did have a stimulus program passes the Chamber of Commerce denied him the ability to apply it to American jobs only, saying that that would break trade deals already in place. There was no follow-through on how the money was used, there was no quid pro quo. Not deal making. That is his greatest weakness. They guy doesn't know how to make a deal! He just caves in is all. Too bad for us.

That some are making huge money with tremendous backing from the government while sending the money overseas. The rule of law does not extend to those with money and power.

This is a losing proposition for the majority of people in this country and I hope you understand that no one is safe from the graft. You may think you have money, but this syphoning out of wealth will effect everyone, going up the food change to the wealthiest among us, because as Matt Taibbi would say, the giant vampire squid will stick it's funnel everywhere it smells money.

While we continue to squabble about liberals and conservatives, what is the moment when the economy breaks and who wants it that way? That is the real question. Who's running this country in the background as different presidents come and go? (getting nothing but war done in the process)

Next question: do people on the right or left listen to debates? Are they able to understand the arguments and the substance or lack there of the issues.

The immigration issues are the only ones I can relate to in the debate last night. Also no easy answers to the complex guestions, even if Rick Perry acts like there is. Anyone with one dimensional answers are ones to stay away from. He is totally incapable of discussing the man he had executed, although it was later proven that he was innocent and he got rid of a review board of that case. Trust me this is one scary dude and may even be more dead inside than W.

I assure you the Republicans have no platform on job creation any more than the next guy, so don't think there will be any changes even if they win the election. You will see nothing change because they work for the same folks the Dems work for.


One Dimensional thinking

The level of discourse by some on this blog never ceases to amaze me.
The last comment about the mulatto is beyond stupid.

One would have thought that anyone posting on this blog would be more interested in figuring out the complexity of the situation we find ourselves in as we see the breakdown of this country and the disintegration of our checks and balances, and the rule of law that applies to every citizen, but no. It's just the simplest form of racism as if by a 5 year old.

Then there are those who have posted in the last couple of days, again making angry epithets about liberals and multi-culturism.
Again no thought behind anything they say, just anger and frustration. Part of the problem is that they have no understanding of the argument and don't care to stretch their minds--it's pure lazy thinking is all and lowers this blog to nothing special. Oh, they think Medicare and SS are only for the minorities and the poor. Take a look at the hospital bills sometime and let me know how they'll get paid.

In a nutshell these comments are profane and add no insight into any of the topics they choose to discuss.

There's no recognition that there is a balkanization going on here, which we are all feeling. That the unemployed would much rather be working for a real wage that would allow them to afford this very expensive country to live in. With the trade deals, and the importation of lower-wage foreigners for jobs here, and the non-stop exportation of jobs to third world countries, tell me how are the American people going to continue in the middle class?

Medical expenses have gone through the roof. How will any of us afford it in the future, given the trajectory of this? Obama tried to fix the problem, helped on some issues, like pre-existing conditions, but the lobbyists and the industries stepped in and did their money magic. Obama should have held out for the public option, but was advised by the wrong team he picked to abandon the idea, just to get the thing passed. It's not a good bill, unfortunately and he really didn't make history. Problem is he thought that would help with the jobs issue, but it backfired.

When he did have a stimulus program passes the Chamber of Commerce denied him the ability to apply it to American jobs only, saying that that would break trade deals already in place. There was no follow-through on how the money was used, there was no quid pro quo. Not deal making. That is his greatest weakness. They guy doesn't know how to make a deal! He just caves in is all. Too bad for us.

That some are making huge money with tremendous backing from the government while sending the money overseas. The rule of law does not extend to those with money and power.

This is a losing proposition for the majority of people in this country and I hope you understand that no one is safe from the graft. You may think you have money, but this syphoning out of wealth will effect everyone, going up the food change to the wealthiest among us, because as Matt Taibbi would say, the giant vampire squid will stick it's funnel everywhere it smells money.

While we continue to squabble about liberals and conservatives, what is the moment when the economy breaks and who wants it that way? That is the real question. Who's running this country in the background as different presidents come and go?

Next question: do people on the right or left listen to debates? Are they able to understand the arguments and the substance or lack there of the issues.

The immigration issues are the only ones I can relate to in the debate last night. Also no easy answers to the complex guestions, even if Rick Perry acts like there is. Anyone with one dimensional answers are ones to stay away from. He is totally incapable of discussing the man he had executed, although it was later proven that he was innocent and he got rid of a review board of that case. Trust me this is one scary dude and may even be more dead inside than W.

I assure you the Republicans have no platform on job creation any more than the next guy, so don't think there will be any changes even if they win the election. You will see nothing change because they work for the same folks the Dems work for.

My apologies for the double post. I waited 15 min. and its still didn't appear.

"My apologies for the double post. I waited 15 min. and its still didn't appear."
-lbend-

No problem, LBend. And anyway, some of your posts are worth reading twice. ;-)
Try hitting the "refresh" button on your browser if your newest post does not appear immediately. That will almost always make it appear.

This blog does have a fixation on race that is bothersome. Or maybe what's bothersome is that the fixation on race remains superficial and juvenile and never advances.

One could argue that the US has the exact same problem.

Thanks P2C

That's why the Republicans will be holding their own twitter meeting while the President's speaking.

They are downgrading the Presidency for good in the process. The total lack of respect and unbridled hatred is what informs the people of this country and it is no wonder that Obama looks weak. But they look even worse!

I'll say one thing. Capitulating as he has will not bring the Republicans to the table. It is the law of diminishing returns-it's time to go back to the drawing board and bring up Democratic values.

Although I'm a Keynesian, I doubt it can work with the global supply-side system we are in. The two economic systems are not a compliment but are diametrically opposed. If O doesn't recognize the problem he will not find a solution.

The alternative is deadly!

Nice post, Aiboh Phobia,

And what you say has the "ring of truth" to it, that signifies real world experience.

"In another 50 years, its likely that Blacks and Whites will be so blended that they will be indistinguishable from each other. My grandchildren, on the other hand, will likely still be despised as gypsies."
-aiboh-

We could quibble over your time line - I'd have to argue that it would be more like 500 years - but, still. IF - IF - the power stays on and the food trucks keep coming, you're right, complete racial mixing will inevitably occur.

Of course this blog is built around the idea that eventually the power will go out and the food trucks will stop coming. What will happen when that happens, Aiboh?

And why will you and your people still be despised as Gypsies - no matter what happens??

I am sad about Rick Perry destroying his chances to become president by calling Social Security a Ponzi scheme and a monstrous lie.

The National Commission on Social Security Reform in 1983 made recommendations which led to the growth of a large surplus in Social Security.

This surplus was used to buy bonds and now Social Security holds more than $2.6 trillion in government bonds. As a result, the Congressional Budget Office’s projections show that the program will maintain full solvency through the year 2038.

Perry shot himself in the foot in last night's debate by suggesting Social Security cannot pay. A Ponzi scheme is a criminal enterprise that does not pay. But Social Security has paid out for 70 years without cheating anyone of their payments.

Even after the year 2038, and even if Congress never makes any changes to the program, Social Security will be able to pay slightly more than 80 percent of scheduled benefits from then on.

This means, for example, that if your children -- both in their mid twenties -- were to retire at age 67 and do as well as you have in their working careers, they would receive $38,145 and $39,410 (in 2011 dollars) each, every year, for the rest of their lives.

It is clearly inaccurate to say that this program will not exist for young people. In fact, I would say Perry told a monstrous lie and lost the presidency last night.

Yes, Asoka

You are right about that.
The ss and medicare attacks are the canards for privatization which will cost each American far more than what they're paying in taxes.
The privatization ideology started by Reaganomics has gone way more extreme than Reagan.In fact when you consider how many times Reagan raised taxes (11 times) Reagan is a downright socialist in the spectrum of these extremists. They would hate him, now if he were running the country. That, my fried is the irony of ironies.

One more issue as I mentioned before is that the song of the executioner is applauded by the rabble. The same rabble as those who attended the Roman coliseum. They exist throughout time without change.

Couldn't you just see these people attending the executions with children in tow. Just bring popcorn and Cheese Doodles for the show.

Too bad they use expensive drugs on these criminals. Why don't they bring out Ole' Sparky for a some fireworks?

"But candles? We aren't going to the middle ages immediately."

We make our living now largely from selling soap we make from lard we've rendered from pig fat that would otherwise be thrown away. Our next phase is taking some of the beef fat from the waste stream and rendering that into tallow for candles. People will buy them now because they like them, and use them in the future because they have to. But who knows how soon that necessity will arise. Selling candles and soap in town seems like a decent place to hang our shingle in a low-energy future, especially since pastured beef will be our primary farm income.

That has always been my advice: close the singular efficiencies of high-energy culture into self-reliant loops. Singular efficiencies are only efficient when there is a whole bunch of cheap energy to power those systems. Outputs should become inputs in another facet of production. Produce no waste.

Jim likes being the bearer of bad news; it's his gig. But, as you pointed out, there are others around here who have something at least to add to the practical task at hand. Thanks for the compliment. And if you don't read the Archdruid already he's a fantastic resource for practicality in a lower energy future.

Just curious, do you have a fear of palindromes?


Only 4% Four Percent, of Africans that were enslaved by their fellow Africans, sold to Arab Slavetraders, Shipped on Portuguese owned slavers and sold to Jewish slave traders in New Orleans came to America. Even Henry Gates is shocked at that. If you want to see the culprits in slavery, check the Jesuits in Brazil. Plenty of White slaves too in indentured servitude.

Asoka, nor anyone else who has his views wants to here these facts. He/they want to hold on to slavery as both a sword and a shield. Nobody thinks what happened was right, but no one alive is responsible. We are only responsible for our own actions and life.

Nobody thinks what happened was right, but no one alive is responsible. We are only responsible for our own actions and life. - Boss

Wise words. People responsible for inflicting misery have to be held accountable but at some point the past is the past and you have to let it go. The problem is that there are people that like to keep picking at wounds so they can't heal.

hear sorry Q

"The problem is that there are people that like to keep picking at wounds so they can't heal. "

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[sarcasm on]
Yeah, we shouldn't mention little things like Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or World War II, or the pyramids of sacrifice to the ideologies of communism, capitalism, socialism, fascism, etc.

All that history is bunk.
[sarcasm off]

(Apologies to Peter Berger)

"check the Jesuits in Brazil."

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This is a chicken and egg question, like the drug war question of producers/consumers. Would drugs be processed in Andean countries and imported into the USA if there was no market in the USA?

Do you blame Africa because Africans enslaved Africans and sold them for income to Whites, or do you blame the White imperialists who colonized other lands and needed labor, thereby creating a market for slaves?

Four percent of millions is still hundreds of thousands. Four percent is a big number.

Just to elaborate a little on this point. We've got people of various racial/ethnic/religious origins cohabiting in the extended family. All of which had ancestors that were at each others throats and happily murdering one another not all that long ago.

So what are all these people to do? What do they tell the kids? Keep bearing grudges and old animosities? Does the Jew or the Pole refuse to eat at the same table as the German? Does the Chinese shun the Brit? Refuse to come to family and social gatherings because of what was done decades and generations ago? At some point the old wars are over.

"At some point the old wars are over. "

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I look forward to the day when North Americans will welcome the Taliban and Al Qaeda to family and social gatherings.

CT...
I went to the talk of one Genevive Bertone last night [at Soviet Monica College]
She may be the 'Director of sustainablity' there.

It was a talk about 'Zero Waste'..She groused about 'Old White Guys'! and the necessity of 're educating' the young, and the public.

No mention of WHY the US population is increasing.
This city just banned plastic carry out bags while puttin 100 tons? of plastic on 4 sports fields....Astro turf.
the astroturf is braking up and entering the groundwaater [ plastic always flakes with time].

They talked of the schools requirements for 'Global Citizenship' [this in a school with opver 1000 wetbacks]
Woops............I was banned form a blog recenttly for using the 'racist' term Wetback.
[the thought police said it was a racist term].

Can you post some more?
How many blacks reached USA alive and were the traders mostly 'Christians'?

Robert Reich:

THE 5 percent of Americans with the highest incomes now account for 37 percent of all consumer purchases, according to the latest research from Moody’s Analytics.

That should come as no surprise.
Our society has become more and more unequal

A Republican Operative leaves after 30 yrs and outs the Party.

The Daily Beast has a great article by Michael Tomasky who was contacted by Mike Lofgren a Republican operative on Capital Hill for 28 years.

I just saw the interview on Hardball where they both appeared.

Lofgren left because there are no longer moderates in the party. He says what I say: Reagan would have been too far left of these guys.

These are some of his claims as written in the DB by Tomasky who he contacted by email to expose these issues we are seeing in real time:

• The debt-ceiling debate was an act of “political terrorism,” in which the GOP concocted a crisis and used it to ensure that the party's unprecedented demands were met. He writes: “Everyone knows that in a hostage situation, the reckless and amoral actor has the negotiating upper hand over the cautious and responsible actor because the latter is actually concerned about the life of the hostage, while the former does not care.”

• The August FAA reauthorization fight was another instance such of hostage-taking: “Republicans were willing to lay off 4,000 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) employees, 70,000 private construction workers, and let FAA safety inspectors work without pay, in fact, forcing them to pay for their own work-related travel—how prudent is that?—in order to strong arm some union-busting provisions into the FAA reauthorization.”

• The GOP plan to discredit government in the people’s eyes is very conscious: “A couple of years ago, a Republican committee staff director told me candidly (and proudly) what the method was to all this obstruction and disruption. Should Republicans succeed in obstructing the Senate from doing its job, it would further lower Congress's generic favorability rating among the American people. By sabotaging the reputation of an institution of government, the party that is programmatically against government would come out the relative winner.”

• As for belief as opposed to tactics, the party basically really cares only about the rich. Actually, Lofgren doesn’t say “basically.” He says “solely and exclusively.” And he explains how they’ve camouflaged this with talk of protecting small businesses and so on.

There is much, much more. He’s not very happy either about his party’s militarism, its cynical use of religion, its total opposition to doing anything about the environment, and other matters, but most especially its neo-Leninist posture in which political power trumps everything.

I agree with you LBENDET. Your posts are usually well thought out and interesting. One thing that I don't understand about voters is that they voted the Republicans out in 2008, which I took to mean that they don't think the Republican party has the answers. Here we are now in 2011, nothing has improved the job scene, and the republicans are back saying the same things they always say. Cut regulations, tax relief for the rich,(Sorry, I mean job creators) and the same lines that they used back when Bush was president, and somehow nobody calls them on it. Offhand I'd say that approach didn't work,(remember Goldman Sachs,) derivatives and the mortgage mess which all came about from not enforcing the regulations we had in place at the time. The Republicans want the same tax breaks for corporations and the wealthy (Job creators) that were in place during Bush's 8 years in office, and they didn't work then. I've read quite a few times on this blog that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result each time. If that doesn't describe the Republicans at this time, I don't know what does. It's very frustrating to watch this kind of behavior over & over again. It's really a shame, because we're gonna go down with the boat this time. Oh well, Heidy Ho.

CS,

I think most people don't understand how the Republicans have changed from that big tent idea of the Reagan era to these extremists who want to get into government to take it apart, rendering it usless to 99% of the people.

The problem here is that Obama and the Democrats also have their ties with the bnaksters and corportists, so it is it is incumbent on them to distinguish themselves from the others.

Obama made the mistake to resurrect the Clintonistas to put the broken system back together again only to be stuck blowing more bubbles and bigger TBTF entities.

I did like O's speech tonight. He is handing an olive branch while trying to move in a Keynesian position, but the Republicans are deaad set against working with him, as exposed by my last post.

The trade deals must be crafted in a way that actually do allow for demand for US products abroad without that old familiar unfair playing ground and right now, as I said, Panama doesn't have a big enough economy for that. They are the opaque banksters, second only to the Swiss.

One can only hope things can come to a better balance than what we've seen in the last few years. I guess it is dependent upon those who really hold the power and what they think will ultimately work out best for them in the long run.

We are in peak finance as well as energy resources, so how it all works its way out is anyone's guess. It's not if, but when and how hard will it be for a country so ad odds with itself.

The word aibohphobia is a palindrome. If he is afraid of palindromes then he is afraid of his own name.

I don't listen to the debates. For one thing, I was at work, while I still have a job.

For another, I consider them a distraction, NFL for the educated and somewhat aware.

The overt racism expressed by some on this blog is shocking, and depressing. As you say, united we stand. And Divide and Conquer is a tried and true method of rule by the few.

However, what's up with the emphasis on the middle class? This is an euphemism for the educated, well paid section of our society, now shocked, shocked to find out that they are no more valued by the ruling class than the black or latino or native americans discarded long ago, or the unionized white guys who waved the flag and voted for Nixon and Reagan, only to find their jobs exported by what they thought were their kind. (White men.)

Last night, one of my co-workers told me about her life. Fourth of 10 kids, farmed out by her dad at the age of eight to work on neighboring farms (de-tassling corn? What's the point of that?), no running water or indoor plumbing until she was 14, married at 16 to keep her boyfriend out of Vietnam. White as white can be, but never had it good, although she was just ask convinced as the rest of Americans that she was an exeption to the rule.

Really? As I told her, my aunt and uncle in Oregon never did have running water or indoor plumbing, before they died in their forties. They did have some electricity, a couple of years before they died. That is, they had overhead lighting, but no electric sockets.

One of my former co-workers, a 20-something married to a US soldier in Iraq, told me that her husband had grown up in Kansas and never had electricity or indoor plumbing.

In the 60s, exposure of this kind of American poverty (like in the Appalachias) was considered shocking and to be rectified, but now it seems that only the newly impoverished "middle class" is worth saving.

If you point out to people that the infant mortality rate in the US is worse than 30-odd countries, they will tell you, "Oh, that's because we have those black poor people". You know, bringing down the average with their dead babies and all.

Native Americans have a life expectancy in the 40s? (like my aunt and uncle). Well, duh, they're poor!

This easy exceptance of a tiered society, as long as the educated can prosper, is what has led us to this point.

But the ruling class doesn't hold a soft spot in their hearts for the educated, no matter how fondly the educated may hold that hope. They can be discarded as easily as the uneducated, the highly pigmented, and the double chromosoned.

And Obama really doesn't give a damn, my dear. The forced health insurance bill was in no way his attempt to insure all Americans have health care, no more than Bush's Leave No Child Behind meant to make sure all children were educated. It was to take from Medicare and Medicaid and give to the insurance companies.

The death rate is already rising, but it's mostly just poor black women, so who cares? They have three strikes against them, and they're not middle class, anyway.


Hey! What's with the dig? And what the hell is a generic absolutist?

I pay a great deal of attention to what's going on, so I am unbound by loyalty to either of the corporate parties.

I can see that Obama is different from Bush. When he screws the American working class, he says it's for their own good.

When he blows up people's houses and kills their children, he says it's for human rights.

When he supports tax breaks and giveaways to corporations, he says it's to give jobs to the middle class.

When he refuses to prosecute criminals, he says he's looking forward, not backward. (Unless you're Tim DeChristopher or Bradley Manning).

He believes in global warming, so when he showed up to sabotage Copenhagen, it was an aware destruction. (Just like when Al Gore sabotaged Kyoto).

He believes that torture is wrong, so when he continues it, it's against his principles.

He says he believes in transparency and the rule of law, so when his administration hides what it's doing, and when it doesn't follow the law, it's not what he thinks a Democrat should do.

Lofty words and professed ideals may impress you, but they don't impress me, unless followed by actions.

I don't believe that Obama was forced by the Republicans to extend the tax cuts a month before they actually arrived. I don't believe that he was forced by the Republicans to hold out of "public option" to distract the easily distracted from single payer, all the while planning to snatch it away as part of some unneccessary compromise. I don't believe that he was forced by the Republicans to bring up Social Security and Medicare cuts as part of the debt ceiling negotiations. I don't believe that bombing Libya and killing thousands of innocent people was legal or moral.

Maybe you fall for bullshit, nicely phrased, while the Man Behind the Curtain continues destroying the planet, but I don't.

I guess that makes me an absolutist?

Glenn Greenwald is also an absolutist. He insists on noticing when Obama continues Bush policies on torture and repression. His rhetoric says "no, no" but his policies say "yes, yes".

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/09/07/liberties

OK, Wage, you have diagnosed the problem.

Now, I am proposing a radical nonviolent solution.

THE OCTOBER 2011 MOVEMENT
http://october2011.org/welcome

"I pledge that if any U.S. troops, contractors, or mercenaries remain in Afghanistan on Thursday, October 6, 2011, as that occupation goes into its 11th year, I will commit to being in Freedom Plaza in Washington, D.C., with others on that day or the days immediately following, for as long as I can, with the intention of making it our Tahrir Square, Cairo, our Madison, Wisconsin, where we will NONVIOLENTLY resist the corporate machine by occupying Freedom Plaza to demand that America's resources be invested in human needs and environmental protection instead of war and exploitation. We can do this together. We will be the beginning."

Our Madison, Wisconsin?

Where thousands of protestors chanted "This is what democracy looks like", as the lawmakers voted away their rights?

Democracy doesn't look so good, if it consists of ineffectual protests as you are screwed.

The effort, labor and energy of the unions in Wisconsin should have been directed towards a general strike, not protests, and even worse, a recall election.

I support the October 6 occupation, but I don't think that it will lead to improvement.

It's like Bill McKibben and the others, fighting for the Earth by getting arrested outside the White House, appealing to Obama's alleged better angel. How'd that work out for them?

As one of my Facebook friends said, hoping the police run out of handcuffs isn't an effective way of stopping global warming.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that people are finally doing something. Are you going?

It's like Bill McKibben and the others, fighting for the Earth by getting arrested outside the White House, appealing to Obama's alleged better angel. How'd that work out for them?

Sounds mighty American, Wage. You expect instant results? Took years to stop the war in Vietnam but we did it with mass protests and civil disobedience.

Took years and lots of cracked heads to get a Voting Rights Act. As McKibben said, the beginning is just to get the issue into the national consciousness.

Getting arrested, getting beaten, is no guarantee of change, unless it happens on a massive scale over a long period of time. And such protest does raise consciousness and make actions like National Moratoriums (national strikes) possible.

Good news: one of the speakers at last year's cancelleced American Renaissance Conference has issued at law suit against several of the major thugs. The kicker: Mr Yeagley is an American Indian, a descendant of the Comanche Chief, Bad Eagle.

He is not the only one - there are other Indian White Nationalists. These wise people know that as the White Man goes, so goes America. And from oral tradition, the tribes of the Southwest know the cruelty of the Mexican - and that these people aren't their friends even if many of them have Indian blood. More directly, the treaties the Indians have are with the United States. There are no guarantees their lands will be honored by the Mexicans post takeover.

Also Amren marked the passing of Elizabeth Wright, a gifter writer and a Black White Nationalist. She once threatened to withdraw her support from the CoffCC if they ever weakened in their resolve to keep America White in Culture and Tradition.

On Yeagley:

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2011/09/david_yeagley_s.php

The Wages of Sin are Death. Let us labor to effect righteousness before Night cometh and no Man labors. The Left must renounce Marxist Materialism and its immoral methods and turn towards a National Socialism like that of Eugene Debbs or Jack London.

Still supporting the False Pretender? Shame. Some people are incapable of learning - their egos get in the way. You just can't admit you were completely fooled about who Obama is and what he represents. So you double down on your folly instead of repenting.

You claim to be a left leaning progressive and refuse to distinguish between a Perry and Obama...or between a Thomas or Hagan. You mention the public option as if it ever had a chance, refusing to acknowledge that, as Thom Hartmann so aptly mentioned today, President Obama was not working with the congress of FDR.

You're scorched earth ideology is what clears paths for more extreme and deleterious politicians, Wage. And yes, there remain differences and distinctions...

I listened to Rush Limbaugh today since you mentioned that you had listened to him. At one point he stated that 'those who collect Social Security are bottom feeding welfare recipients'. No shit- he really did say that. I thought to myself, Krantz probably wants to ban them from voting, too. You're really a useful tool and a front line fool to be ingesting such barbarous garbage, Vlad.

I am not blinded or fooled by President Obama, but I will vote for him again. And I know that you will be pulling the R lever, as will most of the others chanting the 'no difference between a Dem and a Repub' mantra.

The Two Parties serve the One Elite. What could be simpler? I'll vote for the hands off approach of Ron Paul until Nationalism appears here again as it already has in Europe. As Hippocrates said, if you cannot help at least do no harm.

Voting for Obama is equivalent to voting for Rick Perry. You should have voted for a decent man last time around like Dennis Kuchinik. That the media endlessly mocked him as a queer little elf shows that he's not in with them even though a Leftist.

Nightline just refered to Jimmy Hoffa's "Take out" the Tea Party comment as thugish. Interesting since shows like this are basically mouthpieces of the Establishment. Evidently they are distancing themselves from Hoffa. The hypocrisy of Obama's calls for civility was just getting too much to hide.

"I listened to Rush Limbaugh today since you mentioned that you had listened to him. At one point he stated that 'those who collect Social Security are bottom feeding welfare recipients'."

I caught his TV show back around '98 or so, and some of what he said was kinda funny. However, he started on a rampage this episode about how he was one of the filthy rich (1%) elites, and sick of paying taxes for welfare programs. I found it totally disturbing, and never tuned in since (the show was off the air very soon afterwards). There's a reason they've been calling his fans "dittoheads" for the past couple decades...

Bean - yes, you can even do exponential depreciation of assets, where the first year is 50% cost, the second year 25%, the third year 12.5%, etc. Most assets (buildings/vehicles/machinery) are depreciated over at MOST 5 years in accounting balance sheets - that's how it was 7-8 years ago, anyways...

What a joke the Repubnicant debate was (4 more to come in the next month or two). I did like Ron Paul's 10 cents/gallon (silver dime) quote - but I don't think 97% of the audience knew WTF he was talking about. I also loved how Obama was talking about reducing/eliminating the trade deficit - 'sif other countries are going to buy the same old gas guzzlers GM/Ford/Chrysler still offer. Where are their hybrids? How about that Volt (III?) tho. LOL, total *joke* (anyone remember how Volts were confiscated from their owners in CA around '06, and taken to landfills?)...

Anyone feeling *HOT*? It's been 90'F here in PDX, OR, for over a week, and the next 3 days are supposed to be 95+'F... Those hurricanes seem to keep sweeping the East Coast - I sure don't miss living there. I'm wondering if Fukushima is in total meltdown mode, and will eventually hit a lava vein, turning Japan into an infernal volcano. I know we're still getting plenty of radioactive cesium deposition *here*...

Wonder if anyone's bothered collecting all the depleted uranium warhead ordinances we've been dropping on Iraq/Afghanistan over the past 20 years. Just imagine grinding that sh!t up into a fine powder, and developing some sort of bomb to distribute that dust. Gulf War Syndrome, my @$$!!! LOL!!!!!!

"set aside 500 or so(?) silver ounces"

In the days following my first response to this, I found myself in an alternate reality where he had stated 500 pounds (~$320,000 US). It actually changed barely a single morsel of my reply, but I found myself exponentially traversing various alternate realities with differing conclusions/branching.

In the words of CaptS, "insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result each time." This is *precisely* what is required for statistical sampling/analysis, and it's a predicted outcome from quantum mechanics (as well as my multiple universe *trip* - hah). Anyone who has tried to run a "repeatable" process knows that it doesn't work perfectly each time - things *degrade* over time, or maybe they weren't *aligned* correctly in the first place. Maybe a better word for "insanity" in that quote above (attributed to Einstein?!) is "exponential decay"... OK, 'nuff of my sluice-boxes to the asteroid belt dreamworld.

Like that debt clock, I'd like to see a clock saying something like "# Of New Laws Against US Citizens". Can you imagine that behemoth, ticking 2 million+, and 1 additional per second?!...


WageLaborer said:

I can see that Obama is different from Bush. When he screws the American working class, he says it's for their own good.
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Interesting, Wage, that I'm supporting your
FABULOUS post against the Obama supporters who
really believe he's a large increment of
competence and integrity versus the Republican
wackos he'll face next year ... interesting
because you're to the left of Buck Stud and
I'm to the right (the OLD right) of about 90%
of this site.

Your detractors must NOT have read Matt Taibbi's
article (linked on JHK's home page) about Obama's
cooperation not only in supporting dirty bankers
but also: 1) Shielding them PERMANENTLY from
ongoing litigation after a one time total penalty
that is about one percent of what they STOLE,
and 2) Violating his own vaunted "transparency"
to the American people by "bundling" evidence of
incompetence and permanently "sealing" it from
inspection. Moreover, he's counting on the
huge bucks from Wall Street to fund his
reelection campaign.

It's obvious to any sane person of reasonable
critical thinking skills that people like Perry
and Bachmann are going to repeatedly shoot
themselves in the foot. They are unelectable.
They're lousy liars, not very intelligent, and
their sociopathy is far too on-the-surface
unlike the Obamas and the Geithners and the
Lloyd Blankfeins of the world. We can see
through their feckless bullshit.

Obama is, in fact, more COVERT in his allowing
the GREAT ROBBERY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE and
covertness is far, far harder to fight than
overtness. This is a point you ought to
consider, Buck Stud. Buck ... if you haven't
read the Taibbi article, now's the time.

For those who HAVE read it, you really WILL
wonder, as does the very astute Mr. Taibbi,
whether Obama isn't criminally covert almost
to the degree of dark presidents of the past
like Lyndon Johnson.

I agree with you, LBendet, that Obama's speech
sounded terrific. However, the devil is in the
details and I'm dying to see how he's going to
close all those loopholes so that Warren Buffet's
secretary pays a lower tax percentage than Warren.

Obama is as "real" as those "shovel-ready"
projects he was going to fund in the dark days
of 2008 which became such an embarrassment to
Barack, himself, that he joked a few months
ago that he guesses they "weren't as shovel-ready"
as he anticipated.


E.

"rendering that into tallow for candles"

I'm surprised you're not raising honey bees, and using their honeycombs for candle wax. Maple syrup is much higher quality than honey, so they say (mineral/nutrient/processing-wise), but I don't mind the overprocessed honey/impurities...

FWIW, this year was bee-crazy in my garden. No pollination issues whatsoever. However, it was a little scary diving in for tomatoes amongst the spearmint/peppermint plants, that harbored at least 30 buzzing bees per square yard... Luckily, haven't been stung yet.

I want to set up some bee hives, top bar prolly, but not sure which of the 6-7 species of bees it would attract. Guess it really doesn't matter?


You're right, Myrtle, we are fucked up the
wrong hole and there's not a goddamned thing
any politico can do about it. It's like
reconstructing a building blown apart by an
F4 tornado where no piece of infrastructure
is left higher than two feet. You just plow
the building under and build a new foundation.

However, we do NOT have the MONEY or, in this
age of stupefaction, the BRAINPOWER or CHARACTER
to turn this around. Most of our grad students
are foreign nationals and they're mostly going to
return home where they'll be esteemed unlike here
where they're outsourced.

A good illustration of how hosed we are is my
current town of residence ... Palo Alto, CA.
This town thinks of itself as the ne plus ultra
in liberal progressivism. Yet it does things
like arrest homeless people for sleeping in
their cars (which has NOT created problems).
The greedy landlords have driven out all the
mom and dad businesses and pulled in chain
stores, wildly overpriced eateries, or "sucker"
stores like frozen yogurt which is too low-ticket
to survive. Palo Alto is down the street from
Stanford yet its downtown will soon have NO
bookstores, and no stores to purchase ANYTHING
to do with music (CDs, instruments, sheet music).

Stanford and Palo Alto, like Obama, masquerade
as progressives when, in fact, they're every
bit as greedy, cold, and rapacious as the
Republicans they are pretending to be the
opposite of.


E.

"One more issue as I mentioned before is that the song of the executioner is applauded by the rabble. The same rabble as those who attended the Roman coliseum. They exist throughout time without change."

Yeah, that sh!t was scary - the repubnicant crowd cheered when the death penalty was brought up. It's scary, as prolly 3-5+% of those executed Tejans are prolly completely innocent...

"Are you not entertained?" I have to admit, I saw Gladiator live in the movie theatres - I friggin' roared during that very scene, when he took the final d00d's head off with the scissor-maneuver (the crowd was silently gasping - I was *roaring* with laughter!). "The Righteous?" (Sting, Dune).

You seem to see a path through all this in the political election system, based upon your focus/analysis. I see we're way beyond global warming extremes, to even have an atmosphere after a couple more centuries. It's gunna be hard to meet in the middle of that ClusterF.

"I ... have a small investment portfolio earning a modest 12.25% to stay ahead of inflation/devaluation."

I call BOLLOCKS. Not unless you've invested into China/India ETF's (LOL, GL w/ collecting on that), or you've bought solid gold/silver (not ETF's).

You just joined Q on the CNBC MAD MONEY bandwagon with this tripe.

Buck, I caught that same segment of Rush yesterday. The way you characterized it is out of context. He was referring to the number of people who were on or trying to get social security who were not retirement age. Not people who had paid in their whole life. Listen a little closer if you are going to quote.

Wage,

I was responding to a question posed by Captain Spaulding when he asked why people vote the way they do. You need to explain it by the common narrative people are getting, otherwise you can't explain the crazy choices they make in the voting booth. Then you realize there are no choices in the voting booth.

You know I'm not an apologist for Obama. I agree with all you said, but I guess I was reacting a bit too much to the posting I put on earlier about the Mike Lofgren admission of the Republican game plan and why he left the party.

I agree that O is doing pretty much exactly what any moderate Republican would do, maybe he's more to the right than Reagan. But many have suggested the vote for O is a shoe-in when they see how bat-sh crazy the Republicans are. It's a matter of degree and style. Both these parties are Orwellian. But you might also say that the Republicans are more honest about the program.

We're going down regardless of who's in office. Oil is no longer a cheap commodity, it may just be a matter of degrees on how painful the conditions will be under either one of these parties.

As I said earlier this week, after they clean up with the bottom third they will go after the money on the top 2/3 next. They want the ss and medicare money to keep paying the banksters and corportists.

Ixnei, I have never said I believed in either party to do anything significant, but I would say that there still may be different approaches to the same thing. There's no doubt in my mind that this is over. It's really a matter of how and when.
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Now we're revving up for that 9/11 show, complete with new terror threats from the wilds of Pakistan.

Take a listen to Webster Tarpley on Guns and Butter and Paul Craig Roberts on the website opednews. Both really good discussions on 9/11.

"They are downgrading the Presidency for good in the process."
-lbend, speaking of Republican tactics-

One of our problems, regardless of party in power, is that the powers of the POTUS have grown vastly out of proportion to what is desirable, or Constitutionally correct.

BushII and his "signing statements" continued this trend - for an outrageous example that was accepted with little protest by the other two branches of government.

He uttered his reprehensible statement and then he caught himself and backtracked, as if that justified his vitriol

Many people are entitled to SS benefits, including children of deceased parents and the disabled. These are the people Limbaugh termed " bottom feeder welfare recipients".

Is that better?

Opacity is the new black...

Let's see the whole derivatives market before the 2008 crash was opaque..

There are lobbyists as we speak who are demanding total opacity of the earnings of the top 1% even to the govt.
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Yes P2C, This may be so, but why?

Who is giving them their marching orders.POTUS might just be the conduit by which all the commands are carried out. Cheney pushed for the unitary executive, but was it just for his and W's sake or did it just make it so much easier to follow their marching orders without opposition?

I just checked out tarpley.net

Again, he has his own theories, but they are well documented and drawn and worth reading and listening to. There's the Guns and Butter interview and I.N.N. World Report.

His contention is that these false flag events could be facilitating the bankers survival.

[Once again, the initiative may be passing into the hands of that rogue network, invisible government, secret government, parallel government, deep state, or special forces underground which exists at the point where Wall Street and City of London financial bosses intersect with the dominant personalities – active-duty and retired – of the Anglo-American secret intelligence establishment.

Imminent Banking Panic Means New and Bigger Bailouts Imposed by Martial Law]

I would say there is a goodly number on the disabled list who could still take the field and play. i see evidence of it around here.

BTW, I'm not an advocate of privatizing social security. I also am for some kind of change in health care even though I make my living in the field. My families health insurance is $1200/ month so I see the other side of the coin too. While I am typing this I am hurting all over but I'm at work. And i'm not considering a trip down to the ss office.

I have been wondering why the protesters at the State Capital were so quick to raise charges of "RACISM" against the recently passed Georgia immigration bill. Asoka supplied the answer.

"I called my own damn self out on my racism in my comment of September 7, 2011 12:56 AM.
I can admit my racism, I know where it comes from, and I'm not proud of it.
I am not urging people to join anti-immigrant organizations founded or funded by racists like you are."
-asoka-

In his character as an alleged black man, asoka is free to declare himself to be a racist, since he is "entitled?" to be a racist because of his race and life experiences.
To a self-declared racist, "racist" is just a word.

To persons such as myself, white men whose careers and lives were spent in contact with the public, "racist" has to be considered more than just a word. It's a loaded word and a career ender. It's a charge that, once made, leaves a stigma that can never be completely erased.

I spent a good percentage of my working career in public service, in an integrated society, in some very *visible* and sometimes *contentious* situations. And never once has the charge of "racism" been brought against me.

Until now, by asoka, on CFN.
Because he supports unlimited immigration into the US - and I am opposed to it.

But it's OK for him to make this charge.
Because he's a racist himself.
And "racist" is just a word.

"NIGGER" is just a word, after all.
"CUNT" is just another word.

Just words, right? Words that have no power to inflame emotions at all.

And Buck, asoka wants:
1. Unlimited immigration - 600,000,000+ in US
2. Sharia law on US soil
3. La Reconquista of CA, NM, and AZ.

You MUST agree with asoka on these three points.
Otherwise you too are a racist, just like me.

Vlad, when is that next meeting, again?
Asoka is boosting the attendance, quite a bit.


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=176577


Economic Growth Doomed

There is no way the USA, EU and JAPAN will grow anymore, no matter what, it is over, finished, the end, bankrupt, the end of an era, doomed, etc. And why ?

1) No one, absolutely no one in power, at universities, no economists, no politicians, not one single person on earth except myself see exactly what the problem is: and namely an increasingly efficient productivity machine that the Technological Economy is increasingly becoming requiring less and less real labor of all kinds, bar none, automation, optimization, "do more with less people", you name it, all the forces are going in the same direction, less people needed, less jobs needed (and therefore created), no linearity between increasing consumption and more jobs (just hike up the factory, you get more output with the same number of people, just put some more robots, etc, just let the clerks or retail workers work more shifts, pay them overtime, etc, no need to hire more people that are always a huge pain the ass).

2) This creates a negative feedback loop, less redistribution of money to those that need it and would consume (and therefore increase economic growth even if not by much anyways) but more money to the already rich or already winners (all those folks having good paying jobs, that have had them for many years, etc.), more money to those that don't need to increase their consumption since they already have everything, they already have their new cars and houses and have already bought many times over the same consumption items already for many years, etc. hence very little increase in consumption anyways by the winners (even though increases in consumption don't really translate in many more jobs anyways).

3) A huge ideological brainwashing by right wing, free market ideas that you "need to deserve the job and money", you must "sacrifice", you must be punished (as in Greece firing all the lazy slob government workers), a huge punishment mode of reasoning that goes something like "people are all crap, don't deserve to be paid, don't deserve to have a job, must be punished and suffer" this way they will "work harder", ad "look for jobs", etc. Nothing further from the truth, this just kills possible consumers and kills growth.

What would be needed is governments hiring millions of people to just do nothing at all and give them salaries so they can start consuming and buying things and free salaries and cheap rents.

But this will never happen, the right wing brainwashing that "there is no free ride" and "you have to deserve it" will continue its course, firing ever more slobs, cutting government jobs, cutting all kinds of "expenses and waste" (what on earth is waste anyways ? by cutting waste you simply cut jobs and salaries, money that just ends up even more in the hands of the already rich non consuming social class, go figure), etc.

And everyone agrees, workers are slobs, fire, they "are not productive", "government workers are a waste, fire them", "cut this and cut that", go on man, keep it up, but at the same time they all chant "we need economic growth", what total idiots, I can't believe it!

You really want economic growth ? Give out free Salaries, Cheap Rents, Huge Public Works like Rockets to Mars, trillions of skyscrapers, high speed trains, hire millions to do nothing at all, make a huge BUS system in the USA, etc.

Alrighty...
Now that the crap is getting too deep to shovel [AGAIN!], I pose this little nugget for your perusal. LBendet and JHK should appreciate the juxtaposition of art, bankers, and police state thuggery, all rolled into one! Chase Burning: verboten.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29063.htm

Pull the slider over to 13:00 and prepare to be amazed. Sure, it's hyperbole all the way, but the underlying Vlad-state that evidences itself SHOULD be disturbing to those of us who desire to think. Remember, this is the kind of control and hierarchy that they heartily approve of.

Holy Sheisse! Did you see that final e-bay price?
JHK better do another moody McDonalds piece with flames raging from the roof. (Nighttime would be perfect. ;o) Regardless of the spinning and distractionary dipping into the cesspit, the surging zeitgeist is not to be denied. (The shit has already hit the fan, it's just not reached the occupants of the room yet. Witness A., who still believes in "investments", and theoldspider, who seems to be getting more desperate for validation, and Vladdie, who just posts moreandmoreandmoreandmore... ad nauseum.

You don't think these are signs of a coming shitstorm that they find this an APPROPRIATE blog on which to post such tripe??? Think again.

http://alexanderschaefer.blogspot.com/

Good post, Wage!

Here's my contribution for the day:

Spitfire List | FTR #731
Interview with John Loftus

- http://goo.gl/udj6J


Bot­tom line, when referring to the US government, you should be referring to it as the government mafia, because that's what it is. You are ruled by callus crooks and professional criminals, and have been for a very long time.

Wage,
Whew! I'd say you just about got the "false choice" of the current political environment NAILED [to the wall]!
('Bout says it fer me, anyhoo. ;o)

@ Asoka

You're good at setting up straw men; excelled yourself with this one. Totally scurrillous.

Yep, Ozone

Loved that! First saw it on Max Keiser's site.
I visit Keiser every day.

"I spent a good percentage of my working career in public service, in an integrated society, in some very *visible* and sometimes *contentious* situations. And never once has the charge of "racism" been brought against me.

Until now, by asoka, on CFN.
Because he supports unlimited immigration into the US - and I am opposed to it." -P2C

Okay, now I see why you can't "let it go" with A.'s claptrap. It's not just a "bone of contention", it's a compound fracture! Understandable.

Might I suggest the following?:
"Are too!" "Am not!" "Are too!" "Am not!"
Whoever spews last is the "winner".
That is the mystical Asoka way; meditate on it.

Let's please all remember the phrase: "dragged, kicking and screaming". I'm glad JHK used it, because it's going to be applied (pretty much universally and literally) in coming years.

LB,
Here's a better shot of it. (And, yes, check that final price; yow. Did some banker buy it, since they seem to enjoy "fixing" the "art market"? lol)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190570913537

"2. Sharia law on US soil"

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ProCon, several times you have brought up Sharia law on USA soil.

Do you even know what Sharia law is? What is your problem with a religious community having its own rules. You have the same problem with Baptists?

"That is the mystical Asoka way; meditate on it."

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Thanks, Ozone! Very good advice.

That's one of the best things I've read on CFN!

Buck Stud said:

I am not blinded or fooled by President Obama, but I will vote for him again. And I know that you will be pulling the R lever, as will most of the others chanting the 'no difference between a Dem and a Repub' mantra.

LOL! I agree. If any here on CFN enter a voting booth, they will suddenly discover a difference on the ballot.

Rush saying Social Security recipients are "bottom feeding welfare recipients" shows just how ignorant and how far out of mainstream America he is.

But then, some Republicans are saying registering people to vote is "anti-American" and they are actively engaged in voter suppression campaigns. That is what shutting down ACORN was all about.

"Asoka is boosting the attendance, quite a bit."

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Thanks, ProCon. I am so powerful I can raise or lower the number of CFN comments at will.

I can bring people like Ozymandius out of the woodwork (see comment September 9, 2011 11:03 AM).

Shout out to Ozymandius:

Thanks for the compliment, Ozymandius!

Peoples (and others),
Why would the "Automatic Earth" mention Kunstler's blog in it's Link Vault?
Ummmm, would paragraphs like the following be a small clue?:

"There are other big dreams. Never ending economic growth comes to mind. Or technical progress that lasts forever and can solve all problems caused by .. technical progress. That reminds us of the yeast in the wine vat that die off at the height of their proliferation, not because they run out of wine, but because no organism can survive in a medium of its own waste."

Ah, now we see reality [and the pondering of it] breaking out everywhere. As Wage has said, we're not cynical ENOUGH. My paranoia, pessimism and cynicism may not "save" me, but they'll put me in touch with what's really going on quite a bit more reliably than anybody's false hope-iness farting in the teeth of the hurricane.

Again, you are right. I think what it comes down to is deciding whether you want to be hung or shot. Since both parties have been corrupted by money, there's not much you can do. The only difference I can see, is that it might be less painful under the Democrats, but the end result comes to the same thing. I voted for Obama last time, and I have no problem saying that he's doing a poor job along with the rest of the Dems, which of course comes back to the proposition that somehow this time, if we just vote them in again, the Republicans will save us. As long as both parties are corrupted by big business and special interests, we are doomed. In my opinion, it would take both sides, Republican & Dems, cooperating fully together to save this country and that's just not gonna happen. So it goes.

Hung or shot? Yep, both fine choices. ;o)
Hope you don't mind if I use that in common parlance, Cap'n.

Again, from The Automatic Earth, here's how the story goes, and what yer "vote" will get you...

"The MO of our societies, the way we respond to the impending collapse of our systems, is defined by those who owe their very positions to those systems: bankers, captains of industry, media moguls and politicians. Instead of using the remaining resources to minimize suffering, they spend them all in a doomed effort to prop up the existing structures that made them what they are. Most of them don't know any better, and those that do proceed anyway because they think they themselves will be better off that way."

Shades of JHK, eh?
...And, geez, who coulda seen it comin'?
Move along; continue to vote for those we consider "appropriate choices"; then return to your homes, tents, cars, doorways, or grates; nothing to see here...

Ha,
The price of the painting is only what everyone agrees it is.
Good luck to this guy. Hope he makes a mint. He got questioned by the FBI, so he paid his dues.
Hope he contributes to Max Keiser for the great PR.

It just goes to show that even our anger can be monitised!

it would take both sides, Republican & Dems, cooperating fully together to save this country and that's just not gonna happen.

You underestimate the instinct for self-preservation.

Democrats and Republicans are going to work together because re-election chances depend upon it happening and Obama is seizing the moment by asking Republicans to adopt their own legislative proposals for cutting taxes, stabilizing debt, eliminating regulations, creating jobs and modernizing the infrastructure.

Now the Republicans either say yes (to their own ideas) and things get better. Or they say no (to their own ideas) and they lose their jobs.

The instinct for survival (and an 18% approval rating) dictates they will all cooperate together and "get 'er done!"

Obama has shown real leadership this week to stimulate bipartisan action to save the country.

Rev. Al Sharpton said:

There will be those that will continue to criticize the president no matter what he says or does, but after Thursday night, nobody can deny that he has the nation's best interest at heart. While he spoke of saving schools and encouraging future engineers, GOP candidates continued to pander to their base and avoid any real discussion of any real solutions the evening before. While some folks like Rick Perry and Mitt Romney appeared the clear frontrunners, none of the Republican candidates gave any substantive answers in terms of job creation. As they touted death penalties, attacks on Social Security and of course attacks on one another, they failed to address the real issues Americans lose sleep over. With unemployment remaining painfully stagnant, their non-existent ideas will keep them non-existent at the polls.

The depth of our current economic crisis is so complex that there are no easy answers. But if we are to maintain our strong standing in the world, we must begin to follow through on the president's suggestions as quickly as possible. The work starts now, and it will take all of us to dig ourselves out of the trenches and push forward.
This week of debates and speeches has left one thing clear: we can either continue bickering with one another much like candidates did on Wednesday evening, or we can create and work towards sustainable resolutions as our president now calls each and every one of us to do.


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=176423

I found this interesting confirmation of the idea that the laws of physics don't exist, that a modified mind that interacts with the world will enter a new universe with new laws of physics. In essense there is "no absolute", no reference, only the relation between entities, no objective and independent background such as space and time and anything else, only events, instantaneous events between two items, there is no background, everything is relative to everything else, is defined according to what it interacts with, etc. But the symbols of this language, the logic need a space to be written, to be expressed so this space should be the metaphysical background but it is not so, only the logical - mathematical path and relationships, the narrative exrpessing the interaction exists, but even this is just a sequence of symbols with no further necessity than itself, and as godel says, any system must have at least one arbitrary sentence, so then anything goes, even logic and mathematics and the narrative expressed breaks down, not even this is absolute, hence "contradiction" is the only truth, or no truth, etc.

From:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relational_quantum_mechanics

"Relational quantum mechanics (RQM) is an interpretation of quantum mechanics which treats the state of a quantum system as being observer-dependent, that is, the state is the relation between the observer and the system. "

"The physical content of the theory is thus not to do with objects themselves, but the relations between them. As Rovelli puts it: "Quantum mechanics is a theory about the physical description of physical systems relative to other systems, and this is a complete description of the world".[2]"

The interaction, the Informational Relationships, the measurement of one item compared to another, this is the only thing that exists, if even only instantaneously, if even only fleeting (and this demonstrates that nothing exists, that we are just ghosts, and it also demonstrates that death is rational as death is the end of something that never existed like your life, etc.). But if the sentence "absolutes don't exist" is true, how can that sentence be declared without some reference point, some minimum hinge ? It can be said because contradictions are acceptable, the physical world is essentially contradictory and we make it appear non contradictory when we observe it as the two sentences "absolutes don't exist" and "absolutes exist" are just like wave functions, two contradicting states that exist at the same time and space and point (even if they exist in the same purely metaphysical arena of mathematics and logic which is without time and space and any points or extension) as in the "wave function—initially in a superposition of several different possible eigenstates", a logical situation in a superposition of several logical values (true, false or something else ?).

But all of the above is false, self destroys itself, no it is true, but we should at least accept the narrative of the above path, the very fundamentals of science, knowledge increasing, the idea of progression, but no, we should try to know less and less, go backwards, subjectivity that becomes objectivity, when a virtual reality becomes the reality, etc.

The very fundamentals of science are demolished as science tries to find the invariants (absolutes ?) in a universe that makes fun of absolutes. Design a mind with any content, make it interact with any "fake reality", that reality is real just as ours, as reality is only information (or is it fake just as ours ? where does it all go when we die ?), but especially the "relation interpretation" means that there is no future, no past, no real and fake, no truth, no space, no time, nothing, only an event, nothing is keeping score, it is all non existent.

On another note, the observer and system interact (two chunks of matter interact), but where does the observer start and system end ? and what if the observer lies to itself or an internal observer lies to the master observer ? So lies and making things up, making up all kinds of false ideas and things and anything is completely correct. Telling lies to yourself is correct as only lies exist.

Also from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegmark

"Tegmark has also formulated the "Ultimate ensemble theory of everything", whose only postulate is that "all structures that exist mathematically exist also physically"."

can be turned into:

"all structures that exist logically, as a sequence of symbols, all metaphysical structures and inventions (nay any invention possible that you can think of no matter how wild and far out), even totally contradicting structures exist also physically".

Rev Al,Who made his name thanks to TAWANA BRAWLEY.

Those who vote in National Elections dont know..
[presumably] THAT THEIR VOTE DOESNT COUNT.
Read Author Harry Browne
['I found freedom in an unfree world'].

Don't you be hatin' on Twana Brawley or the good Rev.

In November 2007, Brawley's stepfather and mother, in a 20th anniversary feature for the New York Daily News, contended the attack happened. "How could we make this up and take down the state of New York? We're just regular people," Glenda Brawley said, adding, "We should be millionaires." They said they had asked New York State Attorney General Andrew Cuomo and Governor Eliot Spitzer to reopen the case. They also said that Brawley, who has converted to Islam, would speak at any legal proceedings.

Tegmark is wrong, unless you can point me to the square root of a negative number.

One of the neat things about being up here in Canada is the ability to watch the USA from the sidelines. While we're much the same, and we've been soaked in your culture since mass media came along, we're still not quite a part of it and can observe with a more detached viewpoint.

Studying the similarities and differences in our political systems is most interesting, and one of the most different aspects is how, two years before the next presidential election, your country is already in election mode. That doesn't happen here, where election periods run about six weeks. Sure, the politicking starts before that, but not two years before.

From up here it seems obvious that this devotion to process instead of actually governing is a great distraction. By focusing on the process people aren't paying attention to what the current legislators are actually doing, and that allows them to do whatever they want, which could be absolutely nothing, as seems to be the case much of the time.

Our conservative party government, under Stephen Harper, achieves the same thing but does it differently. They create crises by using wedge issues that so distract the people they don't notice what's going on, or not going on, in our Parliament. Whether it's the torture of political prisoners in Afghanistan or the abolishment of the long form census, people get very worked up about these manufactured issues. In their outrage, they don't realize our country is being quietly and covertly picked apart by these vultures, who are determined to create an Canadianized version of Republican values. As each fake crisis arises, they appoint a commission or enquiry to look into it, creating a months long distraction that occupies everybody's attention while they go about their wrecking business unnoticed.

Different modus operandi but the result is the same: nothing gets done, the economy continues in free fall, the environment degrades some more, all our services become less responsive or disappear completely.

And our leaders laugh at how easily we are duped.

We North Americans are so stupid, so blind.

Job creators. Makes me laugh. Job exporters is what they are. It's Orwellian. Wave the rhetorical wand, call something something else and in people's minds it becomes that something else. War is peace, freedom is slavery etc.

Yes, Cash,

But it's not like anyone is being fooled by this. It's all been done before and it's nothing new, so we all get it.
If you're alive and living in the US you know what's going on. Even people with jobs feel how tenuous this is.
The record and numbers all speak volumes above the propaganda.

"The record and numbers all speak volumes above the propaganda."

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Yes.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/TVNews/MSNBC%20TV/Maddow/Blog/2010/10/benen_chart.jpg

Agreed. And that should be Obama's campaign button.

Birth control in the post peak area is a subject that any woman, and any family that wants to stay solvent and have enough food to feed all its kids, needs to discuss.

Medical contraception may go away post-peak, but contraception won't. There are millions of women for whom oral contraceptives present unacceptable health risks in any case, and therefore can't use them, so we might not be taking such a big loss here.

I would suggest that all women of child-bearing age study old methods of birth control. There are dozens of contraceptive devices and formulas that do NOT include abortion or infanticide, and we need to relearn these. Condoms have been around for over 200 years, and ancient Egyptians used "barricade" methods roughly analogous to those of the present day.

And if you're really serious about limiting your fecundity, get a tubal ligation NOW. It's not cheap, costs about $3500 in most locales, but it's way cheaper than either giving birth to a single child ($10,000 at least), or raising a kid (about $198,000 over 20 years). It's also cheaper than a "beater" used car. Cheaper than 4 years of Comcast Cable. So decide what you really care about.

"Okay, now I see why you can't "let it go" with A.'s claptrap. It's not just a "bone of contention", it's a compound fracture! Understandable."
-ozone, concerning asoka's racist namecalling-

OK, O3, thanks for finally understanding, anyway.

It's not so much that it matters what asoka. thinks - except insofar as he gums up dialog on CFN.

It's that there are at least 1,000,000+ people out there in the US of A who think EXACTLY like asoka on racial matters. Some of them have just never given these matters SERIOUS thought - these people can be helped to understand.

Others, though, are the lawyers and embedded thinkers, movers, and shakers in the "immigrant rights" community. These can never be helped because their lives are dedicated to maximum immigration into the US - environment, death, destruction & everything else be damned.

Essentially, their position boils down to an idea that "White/Western" peoples can NEVER give enough and "Non-white/non-Western" peoples can NEVER take enough - EVER - to balance the scales of "cosmic" justice, or something.

Either that, or asoka. is just a shill for Big Oil and he's here simply to gum up the dialog and argue for maximum short term economic growth in the US - future generations be damned.

Buck - you or anyone else can talk to asoka. about Sharia Law, US population growth, and La Reconquista - to your heart's content.

Eventually he will call you a racist, too -
If you disagree with him on population growth, and take appropriate action.
Like joining FAIR
Or NumbersUSA.

Both organizations are highly rated by the BBB.
And even the Southern Poverty Law Center seems to conditionally approve of NumbersUSA.

And if there are better organizations than these -
Somebody suggest them - and I'll join them, also.

I'm a Gypsy (or more correctly, a Rom) .... We are still widely despised today.
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Aiboh,

Your post has added a new element here to the discussion of race and racism. We've been talking about blacks, browns, Jews, Asians, Muslims etc but how many of us even thought about the Rom?

The Rom and the other groups mentioned above have been hated outsiders for centuries when they've left their own lands (if they ever had their own lands) and encroached on the lands of others ... other geographical locations, other genes, other languages, other religions and other cultures ... all of these the elements that constitute race if you accept the dictionary definition.

And the common thread in the hatred IMO is the refusal or inability of the outsiders to assimilate into -- i.e. to be assimilated or to adopt -- the culture encroached upon. Certainly, I believe, this is so in the case of Blacks in America (BTW, no need to remind me that their "encroachment" was not of their own volition).

I used to believe that in a hundred or two hundred years society would all become some homogenized shade of tan but reading CFN as I have for more than two years, I no longer believe this. I've been experiencing a slow-motion epiphany. I now see Blacks (and probably the other groups) as largely unassimilable. i.e. They either cannot or will not be absorbed into the larger more dominant culture. After all, how many are willing to accept another's culture as though it were superior and abandon their own as though inferior?

To the extent assimilation HAS occurred seems for the most part to be a public facade driven by government mandated political correctness that, only to a degree, achieves civility on the street and in the classroom and workplace.

It's likely I won't be around to see the outcome of the clash of Muslim culture with the traditional cultures of the UK, France, Scandinavia, and the rest of Europe but I don't think it will be pretty.

I'm guessing that the problems that will beset the Muslim population in Europe (France in particular), will be reflected in this country with the increase of Hispanic culture as that population grows.

Your description of Palo Alto is even more appalling than I would have imagined. Especially the bit about arresting people for sleeping in their cars, which flies right in the face of equal protection before the law. Regardless of what legal technicalities the city's attorneys may abuse, the very purpose of that law is to prejudicially harass the poor. Any justification of such a policy is weaselly, disingenuous and morally despicable. That policy is the precise moral equivalent of a "nigger be out by sundown" sign. The PAPD should be hauled into Federal court and put under a consent decree.

The almost tragic thing about Palo Alto's economy is that when I lived there as a child from 1982 to 1992 the city had a vibrant, diverse local economy, full of mom-and-pop shops run by knowledgeable, usually civic-minded people who as a group provided almost every sort of useful product and service known to man. This economy was a sort of pleasant background noise, one whose absence I noticed when my parents and I moved to Lebanon County, PA, which just didn't have anything like Palo Alto's stellar retail and service sector. It wasn't just a function of relative wealth and education, but also of comparative local business traditions, intellectual synergy, population density and so forth.

Having known much of the old Palo Alto local economy, I was saddened, and at times appalled, to see it disintegrate under an onslaught of techie hipness and nouveau riche pretension. The new economy that has replaced it is sclerotic, derivative, uninnovative, heavy on salesmanship but light on competence, and generally speaking useless but full of itself. The middling sort who keep any economy from collapsing in a heap are to this day being progressively exiled to East Palo Alto or Redwood City if they're lucky, Los Banos or Tracy if they aren't. It's a fucking nightmare.

The "new paradigm" technohipsters and rich, politically correct snobs have spent a generation doing to Palo Alto what leftists rightly accuse Wal-Mart of doing to rural small towns. They've destroyed the city's real economy and replaced it with a useless bullshit economy, a Potemkin village with a spic-and-span veneer but degraded skill sets and ethics. The difference between Palo Alto and the places that Wal-Mart has wrecked is merely the difference between expensive, corporatized, conformist left coast chic and cheaper but equally corporatized and conformist aw-shucks Arkie big box sociopathy. Neither of these noxious options is truly viable.

In my judgment the technohipsters in places like Palo Alto compound their destructive idiocy by starting beefs with proven, established institutions such as newspapers and the Postal Service. They aren't content to just be greedy scorched-earth businessmen like the Waltons. They insist on also going on the warpath against some of the most reliable, civic-minded institutions in the country for being "square," for violating "new paradigms" about "free content" being the future, for all but fabricated environmental offenses that studiously ignore the sheer amount of electricity needed to operate the ether, and basically for doing what they can to carry on with their honorable missions regardless of the abuse heaped upon them by ungrateful, intellectually dishonest twits.

Hi. I haven't been keeping up with the conversation portion of this fine blog, but just I came upon a short video speech by Noam Chomsky that speaks well on the themes so often broached here. So I thought to share it with you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k34R-LVeqXY&feature=feedf

I'm hoping you understand that I'm seeing your PERSONAL perspective in this. Nothing more.

I decline to engage in any adversary "dialogue" on race as it always turns into a spitting contest on the verge of knife-fighting. If I am to deal with idiocy, it comes with despair for all involved (myself included). Beware complacency and the comfort of a cadre of like-minded fools. Threat? Goddamn right it is. When those who think justice should be meted out according to skin tone presume to run things, they'd be well-advised to sleep lightly. It has never ended in sweetness and eternal happiness for the soul-killing effort of so much murder and terror.

Instructive. Thanks.
A virtual how-not-to-do-it tour of Bad Bid'ness!

Neither of these noxious options is truly viable.
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What's worse, is that you've been exporting this noxious predation by the most disgusting methods, and where people have tried to resist it, you've bullied poisoned murdered and installed puppet regimes to accept your fascist imperialism.

So my question, again, is the same basic question I've been asking since I started posting here. As Mort Sahl apply put it, 'how many lies can you allow yourself to believe, before you belong to the lie?' How many lies, Amerikkka?

This incisive posting on Firedoglake:

"The [CIA's] targeted killing program is emblematic of just how morally compromised Americans have become in the wake of 9/11. Activities that have normally been covert throughout US history – torture, warrantless wiretapping and religious and racial profiling – are now conducted out in the open for a public that delights in the spectacle of violent acts of vengeance. If this is permissible, it’s hard to believe there isn’t any crime or act of violence the US government couldn’t get away with by simply by uttering the words “9/11.” "

Wow, just noticed that things have law-n-ordered and militarized themselves right down the shitter, eh? Boy, mighty quick on the uptake there.

So, what do you think it might take to pull the fat out of the Nazi ovens with perceptive and alert citizens such as this? I mean, after all, it only took 'em ten years to figure out what the results/ends of that strange 9/11 thang might be.

A million?! Oh Prog, you are not ready to come to Stone Mountain and get fitted for your robe. Virtually ALL Blacks in America hold similar views to Asoka - as do countless Hispanics and White Enablers.

Q has surged in front of you. He has made the great realization that this whole thing is not only not going to work - but that there was never any chance that it would. What's next? For him to realize that that may be the reason behind opening the gates in the first place. The swamped Republic fails, the middle class dies, and the Elite attain permanent, absolute power. I mean they don't need anymore money but they sure want more power. This was the way.

The Founders would not have believed in any of this. And Jefferson wanted the Blacks sent back to Africa. Lincoln agreed. These are not my beliefs but the simple facts, easily verified.

I never hear much about San Diego although it is a huge city. It seems to be in the shadow of Los Angelges. What is San Diego like in terms of climate, gangs, Mexicans, Blacks, smog, economy, and affordability?

All I know is that the translator Evans-Wentz lived there. He said there was a hill or mountain of Power on the western edge of the city. His translations are now not considered that good, but he is still respected as a pioneer and practioner of Buddhism.

Meanwhile Whites are attacked at will every day on the streets of America - and the Police try to pretend that it's not racial. Not for very much longer. Your kind have controlled public opinion for far too long. Not for very much longer.

The Kennedys have gone up in my opinion with the new revelations. The knew that MLK was terrible. And they knew Lyndon Johnson would destroy America if he ever got the Presidency.

Obviously with the hindsight of the decades, we can see that Johnson's Great Society has been an unmitigated disaster. And we know that King was a Communist agitator.

I have two things to say to you before I continue ignoring your fuckwittedness:

1. You have no fucking idea who "my kind" is.
2. Grow some eyes in the back of your [pin]head while you're making yourself very small (thus attracting no attention a'tall).

Prog,

Not sure where you're going with this, but recall I have stated that I do not believe you to be a racist. You strike me as the type of guy who would not steal my tools if left my workshop unattended and unlocked. I respect that.

As far as Asoka and overpopulation, he has certainly walked the walk in getting clipped before fathering a Little Asoka. I certainly can't claim the same and it doesn't sound like you can either. And we certainly can't claim ignorance about the issue based on age. Just today I heard Marvin Gaye's "Mercy Mercy Me(The Ecology) released way back in 1970:

"Animals and birds who live nearby are dying
Oh mercy, mercy me
Ah things ain't what they used to be
What about this overcrowded land
How much more abuse from man can she stand?"

Boss,

Somehow I suspect that living on Social Security disability is no cakewalk - in more ways than one. For example my next door neighbor lost a leg and she receives a monthly Social Security disability check.

What happened to compassion and empathy for the less fortunate? And who is Rush to judge who is gaming the system - how does one come to that conclusion anyway? Beyond that, I seriously doubt it is that easy to game the system.

I'm guessing that the problems that will beset the Muslim population in Europe ...
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Capt, your perspective on this issue strikes me as odd. Namely, that your primary concern seems to be for the problems of the Muslim population rather than for the problems of the indigenous populations of these European countries.

In a hundred years or so, assuming current trends are not somehow reversed, after the Muslims have bred themselves into a majority position in, to use your example, France, and have come to own, rule, and in every way dominate the country and consider themselves as the indigenous people of France (in the same manner Whites took over North America and rationalized the domination of the native "Indians") would I then view the problems that will beset the Muslim population when they have to deal with the minority Whites who will probably resist assimilation into Muslim culture. That's how it works.

If I could only be as clear as the ordinary and extraordinary Ramz Paul:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd36RWiPfr0&NR=1

We're hitting the mainstream when guys like this are jumping on board. Don't get left behind the curve!

Bingo Q. The problem is our wandering heart. Why on Earth do they put the problems of others before their own People?

And all the "Great Pundits" are worried about Muslims getting nuclear weapons. What the fuck - France HAS nuclear weapons and it's army will be majority Muslim in twenty years or so - well before the Muslims outnumber the aged, dying Whites. Muslim kids and youths will be the majority soon too.

Eyes in the back of my head? Confirmed! Leftists love to attack from behind and in packs just like Blacks. Cowards you are.

Not to kick sand in anyone's face, but "White Nation" (not to be confused with Daniel Boone or Kit Carson) might consider hiring a personal trainer.

Perhaps Charles Atlas?

http://tomheroes.com/images/charles_atlas.JPG

Gaming the system is right. I would bet that there are those that need to be on disability that can not get on and those who got on easily who should not have. It depends on your race, your connections or your lawyer. It also depends on which bureaucrat you sit in front of. You have to admit many entitlements have become a way of life which they were never intended to be. Furthermore, immigration to western nations has been spurred by our compassion for the less fortunate. This too was never the intention of entitlements.

Old Palo Alto...I remember it well. I used to work in an office on Waverley--just a couple buildings down from the Prolific Oven. This was back in the mid 90's, when there were a lot of shops unique to Palo Alto. My favorite was a print shop that sold vintage posters and art prints.

A friend of mine lives near downtown and doesn't have a gardener. He mows his lawn when he's in the mood--which isn't enough for a neighbor who gets her knickers in a twist and calls city code compliance.

While I'm bashing Palo Alto, I'll mention that their libraries are nothing to brag about. With all that money, you'd think they'd be able to afford good libraries. Years ago, Palo Alto residents overwhelmingly voted for the high speed rail (it's "green"), but when they figured out it would be elevated over most of Palo Alto, they had a huge fit to block it.

Gawwd...One of the most profound things ever noted on this ol Blog.

Cite source?
San Diego is dying..
The traffic is so bad from LA to SD I dont go!

An area [OC] where the illegals flood in and some Lifeguards are taking 200k a year!!!

Yr old enough to have seen Liberal Guilt before..
why should it seem odd?
The LA Times did a cover story:
MORE IMMIGRANTS ARE GOING HUNGRY

CS said:

it would take both sides, Republican & Dems, cooperating fully together to save this country and that's just not gonna happen.

Well, we didn't have to wait long after Obama's speech last night to see proof that Democrats and Republicans are going to start cooperating fully.

Yesterday Obama gave a powerful speech. Today we see concrete action as a result.

Friday, Sept. 9, 2011: House and Senate leaders have reached a deal that averts a looming shutdown of federal highway and aviation programs, a key GOP lawmaker said Friday.

You cynics, pessimists, doomsters and so-called "realists" -- the same ones who said a Black man could not be elected President of the United States -- don't really believe in change.

But today's agreement between House and Senate leaders, after last night's speech by Obama urging them to all work together, is proof that positive change is possible, that bipartisan cooperation is possible.

Isn’t this another permutation of gentrification?

A group of artists’ rent out cheap space in a neglected section of town and start having shows and “Friday Night Art Walks”. Pretty soon, a coffee shop and book store follow suit along with other small biz entrepreneurs. After a year or so, the Friday Night Art Walk is attracting some serious crowds and the hip people start moving back into the surrounding area. Eventually, the real estate speculators take notice and erect a sports bar pub right in the middle of the action. The art studio landlords also take note and those who do not sell their places outright to the bistro/fern bar developer raise the rent well out of the reach of the original artists. And the original artists are lucky if they can lease an 8’ x 10’ wall space to hang their art for the price of what they used to pay a month for renting a studio. Many of the surrounding residents, living on a fixed monthly income also can no longer afford the property taxes of their new hip neighborhood and are forced to sell so they can move out to the peripheral suburbs where they can join the burgeoning urban dispossessed.

Ironically, and perhaps superficially, many of these hip new inner-city neighborhoods are exactly what JHK is championing: they have teeming town-centers that are easily negotiated on foot with surrounding architecture that is not a post-modern abomination. But underneath this veneer of urbane progressivism, resides the same dog-eat-dog capitalistic ethos that is consuming it’s own tail everywhere else. The inhabitants of these hip, urban centers are hardly the “by hand” craftsmen and artists romanticized in Luddite (like) settings; they are lawyers, financiers, doctors, accountants, real estate agents, etc. - in short, the elite of the traditional American economy.

Every thing comes with a price tag in America, not the least of which is the “sustainable” town center, health-store vegetable, and profound doomer-blog advice.

6 0 kloc newz

Anything else from the peanut gallery? I mean is that the best you got? If the guy had muscles you'd be calling him a brute redneck - we can't win with your ilk. Of course you don't even try to rebut his argument - since it's obviously true and shit.

On SS: let not you heart be troubled. It's unsustainable. Simple math. Beyond that, it does lead to corruption since alot of lazy younger people get on it - making its demise all the more sure and soon. Get a band aid for the bleeding heart of your's and start lifting some psychic barbells - you're flabby.

I dedicate this song to "Q" and all of the rest of you CFN'ers who have invested in the stock market these past dozen years or so, courtesy of Miss Connie Francis: "Who's Sorry Now?" Link it up on you tube, if you have a spare box of kleenex to spare...sorry...(I got out of the market in '09. Scared the living bejeezus out of me when I saw what Bear Stearns, Goldman Sachs, BOA, etc., etc. where up to.) By the way, I don't consider myself a "winner". I earn less than 1% on my investments. If I had to live on them, I'd probably be somewhere in a bread line, or "foodstamp" line, or whatever they call them now. I don't even have the stomach to comment on the rubbish I heard from the other night's "speech" from our "Doorman In Chief K-Street". Hey, let's start calling Obama "dick" (doorman IN Chief K STREET).

'Q's been quiet so long, I was afraid he was dead. Glad to see he's up and gnarly as ever. For sure, dude, for sure.

"Did some banker buy it, since they seem to enjoy "fixing" the "art market"?"

Take a look at the bid history, and that mysterious *0* rep guy that kept bumping the price up at certain intervals, only to end up having won it with a 4 minute bid. Also check out the history of the other bidders, and what they tend to bid on.

It really looks to me like an inside job with a few friends, and an additional dummy account to invalidate the auction. Or, perhaps a "second chance" con-job?

LOL tho - I can imagine those two meat-headed officers on the street in the initial confrontation (caught on video). They must have been so dumbfounded when the question was put back to them ("I consider banksters criminals. You deal with criminals every day. Do you hate criminals?"), that they had to escalate it to the next level. Stupidity and the police state - incredulous!!!

A couple of days ago I was driving around metro Los Angeles doing some kind of work "stuff", and I heard on my AM radio that Chinese investors were interested in some kind of ownership of the Dodgers baseball team. Man, I almost got into an accident. I was shocked. I was so offended at the thought of this that I wasn't concerned about the truth of this rumor. To me, the Dodgers baseball team is an integral part of unique American culture. I submit that if this proposal is allowed to go forward, Dave Thomas should be allowed to open a Wendy's restaurant in Tiananmen Square. Oh, why not?

I'm not sure if I'm right; going with instinct. Stand in a room that has mirrors on opposing walls. Look into either mirror. You will see your kind.

Best Wishes,

Bette Davis

"...just like blacks." And Whites. And North American Indians. And Turks, Kikes, Hillbillies, Watusis, and Volunteer Firemen. You better keep your eyes open for Tool Users. I've seen "them" wear people out with a Fuller hairbrush.

Sincerely,

C. Everett Koop

I was watching some show on TV recently where the assembled panel of Talking Heads kept referring to Barrack Obama as "half black" until the science guy on the panel reminded everyone that Barrack Obama is also "half white".

The Man with no Pulse weighs in on Perry

Oh, I had to laugh last night as I noticed how quickly the Rove, W and Cheney set had to bitch-slap the Perry Ponzi scheme comment on social security.
OMG he actually exposed the Republican position. You know they can't do that, why nobody would vote for them, but the 400 most richest people in the land!
All the voter suppression wouldn't help that. The plutocracy couldn't win an election here, so trot out the Party elders to repudiate Perry and thus try to salvage the party's image.

And we were assured before Perry joined the freak show of Republican Presidential wannabes, that Perry was going to be the sane one between himself and Michele Bachmann.--Ha!!

I keep thinking waiting in the wings if the Reps actually want to win, is Jeb Bush. Will they make him run?

"As far as Asoka and overpopulation, he has certainly walked the walk in getting clipped before fathering a Little Asoka."
-buck-

Ah, Buck - you have bought totally into the asoka. mystique. He declares himself "native born American black" and it gives him mysterious power over you. He declares himself "old" and "vasectomized" and you consider that he has "walked the walk" on overpopulation.

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And O3, it was not my intention to drag you into one of these CFN race wars. I visualize you as ready to deal with the reality of collapse and ready to deal with anyone, red/yellow/black/white - to keep yourself and your family alive and kicking.

I get tired of the racist blather on CFN, too.
And if we have a sudden and quick collapse next year - it matters less.

If we have a slow, mouldering collapse over the next 30 years or so - think about it, because immigration into the US matters a great deal.

Vlad and Q are correct about a nuclear armed and majority Muslim France. Trying to stop it now, is probably like trying to hold back the tide.

It may already be too late for the US and for the world. But I will always fight for a better future. Always.

And that's my real nature. Not the nature of a internet blog character creation with "mystique."

From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=176577

Flannel Jesus wrote:Am I the only one who realizes that governments already do this? I'd estimate a good 50% of government employees, at least, are redundant or just completely unnecessary. In France, where I live, they definitely will just make up nonsense jobs so that they can hire more people. They add ridiculous, unnecessary steps to bureaucratic processes on a daily basis.

I answer:

But the governments of the USA, EU and JAPAN should hire many millions more, to do nothing at all, keep on hiring just to keep the consumption economy growing, and furnish cheap rents, and build trillions of skyscrapers and such.

They all expect China, Brazil and India to repeat, in some magical way the growth path that the USA, EU and JAPAN had from about 1950 to 2000. How can they possibly expect that ? That growth had so many particular ingredients to it that it is amazing how no economist or sociologist declares exactly why growth is over, structurally, inherently from the outset, no matter what. That growth occured with a given level of technology needing a given number of workers, production was mostly local, the mix of forces operating then are so totally different from today that there is no possible comparison (the myth of equality, what was valid then should be valid now and such).

They are basing worldwide growth on a few million new pseudo middle class people working and living only in the major cities of these countries, pretending that they will increase in number and that the wealth will be distributed to other millions outside the major cities and such. But already, in all three countires, a young couple can't buy or rent a house in those cities as they already hit the wall of the Real Estate Hogs blocking any further economic progress and they just barely started to "grow". Already they "make too much money" so close the factories in China and open them in Vietnam and such. And then in the best possible world, they could consume as much as Germany or JAPAN, namely not even 1/3 of what the USA consumes because no country ever reached and will ever reach the level of consumption of the USA, the USA is the only consumer worldwide as everyone wants to be an "exporter", JAPAN, France and Germany should have bought new cars and consumer items like crazy, should have lived in huge houses full of consumer crap just like the USA, but no one will ever reach that level of wealth the USA has because of their puny, "environmental" and anti consumerist ideals and they are scardy cats and save money while the USA spends freely to buy. They save because they are (or feel) poor, in truth they don't trust the future, so all great savers worldwide, only the USA spends money freely.

My apologies. I meant to say the problems awaiting the Europeans.

And then manufacturing is over, dead, finished, most manufacturing will be done in huge factories worldwide that produce for the entire world with fewer and fewer workers needed: case in point the IPAD is produced in one factory in China and they produce for the whole world (compare this to the 1960s or 1980s when there were hundreds of local factories producing for the more local markets and such). But they say the "design" of the IPAD and the Marketing of the IPAD is where "the jobs are": nothing further from the truth, the ARM CPU used has been around for years and is already "designed", the linux operating system (which derives from UNIX which has been around and perfected for 40 years) has already been designed and the APPS are produced for free by hobby programmers worldwide hoping to get some cash if their APP is successful and such. So I phantom not more than 100 or 200 (or 300, get 50 secretaries that do nothing all day just to show that "you are creating jobs") are needed for the design, the "intellectual", the "innovation" work, the "special skill set" work and such.

And then technology optimizes the production process always, the future is in electric cars and electric motors are very simple to produce compard to ICE engines used in most cars today, so other jobs no longer needed and such.


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=176423

The laws of physics are derived by us from the way that WE are.

The principle of non contradiction is a falsification of reality, is not operating, has never operated if only in our mind. That explains everything, it explains why we are always running around in circles, why the sequence of symbols of the narratives that we create to describe the world never end: simply they never go anywhere, they never progress, as in the "progress" of science is a false idea. But as usual, even all of what is said in that previous sentence is false (or is it true ? or is it some other value ?) and so on in a never ending maze, a never ending puzzle that has no solution except the solution we pretend that it should have, the solution we invent, as "invention" is the real and only item we use when doing science: we invent all, the problems, the solutions, the reality or not, everything, therefore it is all false (or all real ?) and so on and such.

In Quantum Mechanics, The Observer, although assumed to be a simple entity (just a number in essence, a bit) however is really a complex chunk of matter as "we are the observer", "we are the real Master Observer" and we have a brain as a chunk of matter that is complex, intricate with billions of circuits and such. So, already from here, we can see how our science always tries to simplify and ignore large chunks of reality (it practically reduces billions of molecules and signals and switches in our brain to a single bit, talk about invention and falsification of reality!) and from here we can already see that the observer can lie, can falsify what it observes, can make things up and such. And then is the observer observing itself or an "external" reality ? Where does it start and end ? the delimitations and such.

But this can be done because our consciousness, our perception of the world reduces it to a monolithic logical relationship that has no constituents, our consciousness makes reality appear completely monolithic, completely mathematical and logical, it reduces reality to a few bits and a few rules no matter how many pain/pleasure sensations and no matter how many signals we receive, we always perceive a simple monolithic chunk of pure existence and pure logic, nothing else, hence this gives the illusion of extreme simplicity, we see a one bit world and our consciousness delivers us a one bit monolithic world, bar none.

But change the design of the brain, make it perceive other entities, crash it up, make it different, we will enter a new universe (but who is we anyways ?)...

Also, the laws of Mass Energy are the laws of Mass Energy describing itself, talking to itself, therefore circular. A subset of Mass Energy is describing and manipulating and thinking and talking about a containing set (the larger set, but is it the entire set or always a subset of a larger set, etc. ?) but always of itself.

So Mass Energy discovers its own laws, encodes its own laws and declares them "the laws of physics" as if Mass Energy where outside of itself (or as if we being a chunk of Matter manipulating and interacting and describing another chunk of Matter where somehow outside of both chunks of Matter and objective, as if we were not made up of the very Mass Energy and Matter that the observed chunk of Matter is made up, as if we were in some external absolute reference system from which to measure and assign the "objective" laws of physics we discover).

Instead, we are simply Matter talking to itself, making itself up, inventing itself, creating itself, creating any "laws of physics" on the fly, just because, for fun, no necessity needed. But the illusion of objectivity is given by the detachment of our logic and language and mathematics that makes them appear external from the world and metaphysical, a denotation, an indirection, a symbol and as such gives the illusion of some "absolute or objective truth" and such. But it is not so there is nothing outside of anything, we are pure subjectivity, Mass Energy and Matter are pure subjectivity, there are no absolutes, but also no relatives, there is only contradiction, inventions, and universes that self think themselves into existence with any laws of physics they want just because, as in the Instant Singularity becomes a new universe just by thinking about it, after all, our thought and consciousness lives in a pure metaphysical monolithic reference system independent of everything, because if it had even one slight dependency on anything else, it would be void of any consistency and therefore would completely collapse upon itself through internal contradictions since it would be simply circular reasoning, it would simply be talking to itself and lying to itself. But isn't that what we do ? Isn't that what Matter does when it talks to itself through us ?

Anyways those blocks of texts sound cool, who cares if it doesn't make any sense or if it is all wrong. Be as wrong as possible, make things up, lie. Worship Lying to yourself and to all and especially to Matter.

Ozone, this one's for you:

Charlie Rose interview with Philip Zelikow

As I've said earlier in the week the 9/11 show is on: I've have heard mentioned in the past that Philip Zelikow was the guy who gave us the narrative on 9/11. You know every event must have one. Anything that didn't fit into the narrative was dismissed and not included into the account of what happened that fateful day, so I had a very low opinion of Zelikow.

Zelikow explained that Al quaeda is a tiny band of disparate people, who are dangerous, but we should put them in perspective.
He unequivocally denounced torture and secret renditions as a destruction of our values.
We are diminished by having gone down to their level.
I was pleasantly surprised by this interview I thought I was going to hate. This guy actually sounded sane.

I'm sure you can catch it on the Charlie Rose website.

"As I've said earlier in the week the 9/11 show is on: I've have heard mentioned in the past that Philip Zelikow was the guy who gave us the narrative on 9/11. You know every event must have one. Anything that didn't fit into the narrative was dismissed and not included into the account of what happened that fateful day, so I had a very low opinion of Zelikow."

LB,
Thanks, I'll peek in. (You can tell that Charlie desperately wants to "believe". He's gone Johnny Jingo in so many interviews, that it's positively cringe-worthy! ;o)

Yep, right on cue, the orchestrators of mass death by murder think it's now "acceptable" to slither out from under various rocks and posh ruins to burnish their stinking turds of reputations. Well, they also think that the JFK killing is "settled". Sorry, Dealey Plaza was where the cognitive malaise was set in stone, and the loss of trust in american goodness and niceness began.

BTW, why does Poppy Bush's name and face keep appearing at all these history-changing junctures? The fucker is truly in league with de Deb'bil, or is the earthly manifestation thereof. (Just look who he mated with and what they spawned! ;o)

(Sorry for the sidetrack; I'll look at Phil's PNAC version.)

X (and Bette),
Yes, that should work nicely! (A veritable army of admirers and [mostly] steadfast supporters. lol)

"I get tired of the racist blather on CFN, too.
And if we have a sudden and quick collapse next year - it matters less.

If we have a slow, mouldering collapse over the next 30 years or so - think about it, because immigration into the US matters a great deal." -P2C

I'm reading you loud and clear on this matter. That's why I'm attempting to think "aftermath" (should I live that long).

This is also the nature of JHK's novels. As in the SF genre, speculative fiction is sometimes a springboard to real-world preparations and conceptions of the future. (I'm afraid we'll have to go through the horror of the authoritarian police/military state first, then the further horror of "clean-up". That will be the test of whether we're capable of retaining any empathy at all, or simply a FINAL step into madness and barbarity.)

"I get tired of the racist blather on CFN, too.
And if we have a sudden and quick collapse next year - it matters less."

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It never ceases to amaze me how dates are used by CFN.

"Next year"

"Next year!"

Why are we not thinking of a "sudden and quick collapse" next Tuesday at 2:00 p.m.?

Why is it always so far out on the event horizon that we will never remember that it did not happen.

I have been attentive to doomster dates for over a decade. "Next year" never happens. Collapse means no intact banking system, no reliable fiat currency, no transportation of 2,000-mile-salads, no merchandise on WalMart shelves, 90% UNEMPLOYMENT instead of the 90% EMPLOYMENT we have today, etc. etc. etc.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling, sudden and quick collapse is imminent ... "next year"

Boy who cried wolf ... and has been crying wolf for decades now. Doomster porn addicts.

Ass-oka ,

Just because "it happenen'" to you doesn't mean things aren't going to hell.

Ask somebody along a river in Penn state , ask somebody in Athens, or outside of Austin - their fffing worlds are going to hell.

Right, so you can't put a finger on it - but yes the world really is collapsing, at least the "first world" so far.

It is after all - the Long Emergency, and the PTB rely on silly people - much like you - not to notice.

There is skullduggery afoot - and it is indeed cunning and devious by design - but it indeed "happenin'."

lbendet, I appreciate your 9-11 observations. Very, very trenchant.

My husband and I are hosting a 9-11 truth conference this weekend, showing the Toronto hearings and the new architects and engineers movie.

The flak we are taking! The local paper ran an article about it and the true believers in what they think is the official theory are screaming!

The official celebrations are nauseating. After 10 years of the US bombing, maiming, ethnically cleansing, murdering, terrorizing, blowing up buildings, deforming babies and killing livestock of the people of Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and others we don't know about (the known unknowns), now we are engaging in a massive self-pity exercise?

How embarassing!

Even for people who believe one of the official theories, shouldn't they be squirming in embarassment over the "no pain like my pain" pathos of the corporate media?

Well, got to go. I need to do stuff.

James - I thought you might like an early view of my take on Rick Perry and "Rapture-Ready" Sister Sarah.
kulturCritic

http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/sister-sarah-and-the-coming-fascist-christian-troika/

"It is after all - the Long Emergency, and the PTB rely on silly people - much like you - not to notice."

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Right, the PTB depend on me. I got their backs covered. You really believe that?

I could go to Pennsylvania or Athens or Austin today and find highways full of cars, grocery stores full of food, kids playing Little League games (well, maybe soccer in Athens) ...

You have a completely distorted view of the world. The worst case scenarios you can bring up do not fit your portrayal of the supposed "reality" picture you are pushing through your scary words: "skullduggery" "cunning" "devious by design"

I hope no one is convinced by your paranoia. All anyone has to do is look out their window to see the sky is not falling.

I glanced at yr Post...Perry is an 'open Borders, GW
type neo con'...so what else is new?

"Right, the PTB depend on me. I got their backs covered. You really believe that?"
-asoka. to budizwizer-

Bud, don't look for logical dialog from asoka..
Even if "business as usual" never changes for the next 50 years - asoka. has a vision that most folks alive right now would consider almost as bad as controlled societal collapse.

Consider a US population of 600,000,000 people - scrambling over the same physical space and resources. Consider large sections of the US mouldering slowly into 3rd world standards of living - with all that entails - some good, mostly BAD.

Consider a noisy activist Muslim community that imposes Shiria Law on their females, especially - and tells US civil authority to go to hell.
(Cash or someone else can elaborate on this - my only point is that US law MUST apply equally to all)

Consider large chunks of AZ, NM, and CA taken over by the desperate lower class immigrants that the racist and classist PTB in Mexico specialize in "exporting." Ultimately, US civil authority would have to write off these States as never again being under US control. That's La Reconquista.

These are asoka.'s visions for America.

These visions must be opposed.
They are nightmare visions.

I'm out 'till Sunday evening.
Y'all try not to hurt each other.

The idea of a "closed border" is stupid. The border has to remain open so Mexicans can freely visit the lands stolen from them. The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, which ended the Mexican American War in 1848, ceded large portions of what is now the Southwest to the U.S. in return for $15 million and relief from debt.

The treaty was supposed to protect the existing civil rights and land claims of Mexican citizens and provide full U.S. American citizenship to those who stayed in the newly ceded territories. However, the U.S. Senate’s ratification of the treaty deleted those guaranteed land rights and citizenship; opening the door for U.S. lawmen and businessmen to run rampant over Mexican Americans and their holdings.

It is only fair and just that now Mexicans are reoccupying territory stolen from them at gunpoint, making a treaty in bad faith and then violating it.

CORRECTION

It is only fair and just that now Mexicans are reoccupying territory stolen from them at gunpoint, BECAUSE THE UNITED STATES NEGOTIATED A TREATY IN BAD FAITH AND THEN VIOLATED IT.

ProCon can whine all he wants, but La Reconquista is karma.

Prog writes:

" Ah, Buck - you have bought totally into the asoka. mystique. He declares himself "native born American black" and it gives him mysterious power over you. He declares himself "old" and "vasectomized" and you consider that he has "walked the walk" on overpopulation."

I haven't "bought totally into the Asoka mystique", Prog. First of all, what is mystical about someone getting a vasectomy and purposefully choosing not to have children? That's a pretty harsh decision and something you weren't willing to do. Instead, you had children - 3 or 4 as I recall reading? - in spite of knowing the perils of overpopulation - this is not a recent issue as illustrated in Marvin Gaye's 1970 hit.

But now here you are in 2011 beating the overpopulation drums after failing to conserve your seed when it really counted. Maybe this is what your moniker really represents: PROcreation for you and and CONstrainment for everyone else(or at least for the Mexicans that keep you awake at night).

You claim your man is "ordinary and extraordinary". I simply see extraordinarily ordinary which might explain the extreme social/political stance.

Poor Vlad, you haven't figured out the dynamics of "The New Media" yet. You're still that impressionable little boy sitting in front of the TV spellbound by Superman.

"I'm surprised you're not raising honey bees, and using their honeycombs for candle wax."

Who says I'm not! Actually I had my first bees, cut out of a dogwood tree and really untransferable because the comb was attached to irregular branches, in a Rubbermaid trashcan for a couple of months, but without a defendable position their comb was infested by wax moth larvae and the bees sucked up the honey and absconded. I'll have a proper top bar hive built by spring to get going for real next season. In the mean time we're buying very inexpensive beeswax from the honey guy at the farmers market to mix 1:2 with beef tallow for the candles we're about to start making. Got any pointers?

I'm afraid we can't produce maple syrup down here. We'll just have to "settle" for honey!!

Hope all is well in your hood.

The point is that we're not all shaven headed psychopaths or depressed doomsters wringing our hands and listening to Wagner. White Nationalism is coming out of the ghetto. Ramz Paul is a smart, funny, likeable man - as can be seen from his many videos. He is an asset to our movement. I didn't even know he was a WN till last night - I just enjoyed his wicked mockery of Political Correctness and all the things you believe in.

Is he ordinary - extraordinarily so! White Nationalism is hitting the Mainstream. I may yet live to see a Party rise up. Tremble you dog.

Logic is not Asoka's forte. He pretends to espouse peace and non violence while spouting the racism that paves the way to mass murder.

My grandfather found himself an inmate of a Nazi labour camp in 1943. When he was liberated in 1945 at the end of WW2 he was a skeletal, shattered wreck of a man.

I don't know why he was incarcerated there instead of a regular POW camp. Maybe it was the chaos of wartime. The "why" of it doesn't matter. The point is that the labour camp was a waystation to the mass graves that come out of racist ideas. As spouted by people like Asoka.

Loathesome.

What is Mind? No Matter. What is Matter? Never Mind. As Aurobindo said, all we see is Nature's habits aping Laws. And by Nature, I mean our own as well. But the road is not one of blasphemy and slander but the opposite. Through righteousness and devotion we will attain the Transformation Body that can walk thru walls and travel at the speed of thought. And that never gets sick and never dies - it cannot since it never was not. These steeds are waiting for us once we clean our the Augean Stables of our Nature. But you choose to throw more filth in - what kind of Freedom is that?

Q, did you move your money to your sister-in-law's credit union?

Her credit union is not being sued by the federal government.

Her credit union has not mishandled funds.

Her credit union is paying better interest than BoA.

She probably knows more about finance than many of the wizards at Bank of America. You have been warned. Make peace with her and move your funds.

I hope no one is convinced by your paranoia. All anyone has to do is look out their window to see the sky is not falling.
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Asoka is still large and still contains multitudes. He denigrates Budi for paranoia while earlier this week advising us that he built his home "minutes from the border" in case he needs to "escape." ESCAPE? Talk about doom porn.

Q, as Cash pointed out so generously, logic is not my forte!

In any event, regarding ESCAPE, I grew up in an era when it was said one should use a belt and wear suspenders, too. And don't forget the Boy Scouts motto: Be Prepared. My life is as American as apple pie.

Law must apply equally to all. Or you end up with different classes of citizenship with differing rights and privileges which is something we've flirted with up here.

When our idiot elites try to impose some version of it on us under the guise of "accommodation" or "compromise" most of us aren't fooled. They try to bury it under terminology like "asymmetric federalism", try to tell us that to accept it is to be "generous", "tolerant" and "inclusive", you know, being a "good Canadian". They tell us that we need to just do this, to swallow hard, to hold our noses, that life won't change much if at all. They tell us that acceptance of stuff like Sharia based family law for Muslims is what being Canadian is all about.

On some issues they've tried to get us to buy in by means of voting "yes" in referendums. They present a solid front of political parties, media, corporations all of which urge us to vote "yes" for our own good and the national good.

But we listen to these mendacious, corrupt, self interested, self serving cockroaches and vote "no".

There's much that's good in your political system. Whether you love or hate the so called Tea Party movement at least it signals some kind of civic engagement. But there's also much that doesn't work.

There's things you can learn from us ie repudiating your elites, destroying political parties that work against your national interest and creating new ones.

We've done it up here in shit-canning constitutional changes by voting against them in country-wide referendums, we've wrecked old political parties that we've gotten sick of like the federal Progressive Conservatives and just recently the federal Liberal Party and the Bloc Quebecois. And we sometimes create new ones like the Reform Party or the Wildrose Party in Alberta. Maybe you guys need to think about something similar.


On a lighter note here's an instrumental rendition of that old song "Sunny". Two electric guitars, one chap named Hidenori, his bud named Tenyu, a conventional intro to the song and then some some really sparkling solos:

http://www.youtube.com/user/jigokuotoko#p/u/26/i6Eba4NlIWA

Wasn't that something? Isn't it amazing what you find on the internet? I could listen to these guys all day.

Thanks for that musical interlude, Cash.

Regarding logic, from your comments it appears you are stuck on category logic, also called excluded-middle logic, or what some call on/off logic or either/or logic. Do you not see anything good about communism?

No greys – only black and white, eh Cash?

Your brand of false ‘logic’ lies at the heart of authoritarianism and conflict. You seem to be thoroughly indoctrinated by Aristotelian logic and, ipso facto, will miss out on so much in life. Sigh.

Q, is rule number 4 preventing your work of deconstruction?

She probably knows more about finance than many of the wizards at Bank of America.
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Oh, how I wish this were true. The truth however is that she literally does not know how to reconcile her checkbook. She also does not grasp the significance of compound interest which is devastating when you owe big money on several high-interest credit cards.

Both she and my brother-in-law suffer from the American disease of living high on the hog and beyond their means. The economy has all but destroyed my b-i-l's business. Their house is way "under water" (a house twice the size needed by two people who never had kids) and they are both an inch away from declaring personal bankruptcy. They own four vehicles one of which is a gorgeous fire-engine red Chevy Corvette. They haven't made a move to sell it (or to downsize their living arrangements) because their sense of self-worth is all wrapped up in these outward displays of success.

To top off this grim tale, my sister-in-law is gravely ill with some rare neurological disease. She is profoundly disabled and can just barely feed herself. Her speech is virtually incomprehensible to everyone including her husband. Needless to say my s-i-l had to give up both her regular job and her position with the credit union and earlier this year went on disability. There is a zero % chance of recovery and the Doc gives her 2 years to live, tops. She turns and my b-i-l have B-days next month. She will be 64 and he will be 65.

But this sad tale has little to do with why I continue to maintain a checking account at B of A. If my branch is one of the 600 branches that BoA is talking of closing that will be the time I switch banks. But it won't be to my s-i-l's credit union which is located 50 miles away but rather to a bank within one mile of my front door.

Dear god, Bud, save your freaking energy. You're going to need it for the task(s) we have yet at hand. I've said it before, I'll say it again, my friend, talking reason to Asoka is like whispering into the wind. It cannot be done, try as you might. Events outside of his immediate "scope" are apparently out of bounds, whereas he can conjur up the era, long since past, of racial slights at whim, with barely a pause between breaths.

To Asoka and his ilk, I have this to say: Large and multitudes are great and all, but heck, when it comes to putting bread, water, and maybe a bit of butter on the table, it's still my (mamma's) job, if you get my drift. I can believe in any platitudes you might want to throw my way. Great! Now, how's that gonna put food in the mouths of my grandchildren? Figure THAT one out, my dear, and I will follow your advise and words to the end of my days. UNTIL then, kindly STFU, if you don't mind too freaking much, if you get my drift. :)

400th!

BTW, feeling a little sick today, after getting out and about for a little lunch, alfresco. Saw a few American flags from apartment balconies and car windows, waving prominently in this wonderful autumnal weather. Have to ask myself, WTF? Are we celebrating, mourning, remembering, or all of the above? Look, I'll cry with you, mourn with you, but first and foremost, let's please start asking ourselves what the TRUTH is behind that dreadful day ten years ago. And please don't give me that anti-american bullshit, that I should shut my mouth and stick a flag where the sun don't shine. Stop for a minute people and think: what brought us to this point in time? Parenthetically, I myself didn't ponder this (and still haven't figured it out) before 9/11. As my old dad used to say to me, "JFC, Why don't you try using your g-damned head for thinking instead of a hat rack?" Sorry, Dad, it took me a wee bit too much time for that, but I'm trying to make up for what's been lost and can never be returned. Time. Treasure it, for it's all we have. And try to use it wisely.

Correction:

Both she and my b-i-l have B-days next month.

And this to Miss Davis: I had the pleasure of seeing you in the motion picture, "Mr. Skeffington", and you were divine, simply divine.

Sorry to hear about your inlaw's health and financial troubles. An avoidance of reality is never a commendable way of dealing with disaster. Clear-headedness and conviction are what is needed to survive what is in store for each and everyone of us in the light of day. Good luck to you all.

Q, is rule number 4 preventing your work of deconstruction?
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If you provide full detail as to what you are invested in (bond duration, coupon rate, price paid, issuing country, locality or company, taxable?, callable? etc etc I will be glad to show you that either the 12.25% yield you THINK you are getting is a wet dream OR you are involved in something akin to Greek bonds which were yielding 90% yesterday, BTW.

Even Warren Buffett doesn't make anywhere near 12% on his money.

Asoka,

You make a great point - as long as some substantial normality exists - doom and gloom is unwarranted.

However, with regard to my "paranoia" - well I think you simply are not willing to examine the behaviors of those in power.

Although I have a childish view of of the world, at least I am honest and evenhanded in applying logic and intelligence to current events.

Your positions represent one of the most salient points in need of discussion regarding the Long Emergency -namely,

How powerful is the natural selfishness of the supposedly "normal American" - and at what point will they admit the current attempt to status-grow is destroying any chance to transition to a less energy-dependent society without chaos and widespread social-degradation.

Yeah, I'm afraid, but not paranoid.


"The Man with no Pulse weighs in on Perry"

I often wonder how many $millions$ of taxpayer dollars were wasted on keeping that demon alive. I mean, you know it has to be funded by that govt health insurance *they* all get for life, for *free*.

Strange thing - today CNN/MSNBC have nothing but the 9/11 holiday celebration/fear-mongering programs. Fox news doesn't, but then, they have their group of chicks without dix talking about how the Prez didn't have a plan (yet "again" - no plan [Zzz...]). I'm gunna go with my CD collection, and play some good'ole 60's/70's tunes that *celebrate* exactly what has been going on since after Kennedy/Nixon...

'Q's been quiet so long, I was afraid he was dead.
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Aside from failing eyesight, hearing and libido (shhh, don't tell anyone), bad knees, aching shoulders, trouble peeing, and high blood pressure, I'm the picture of health. But thanks for your concern.

""As far as Asoka and overpopulation, he has certainly walked the walk in getting clipped before fathering a Little Asoka."
-buck-"

I never got clipped, yet 45 years into this nightmare, I've yet to *pop one more monster out*. Perhaps Palin/et al are on to something, when they talk "abstinence." LOL!

As to (illegal) immigration, it seems to work for job creation in Tejas - just ask your good'ole boy Rick!

"Next year!"

You can place faith in my prediction for the end of this year, end of next year, and then for each of the next 5-7 years. I will stand behind them. I virtually *guarantee* them, and I WILL be back to remind you all of them. Solar irradiance/sunspot cycle maxes take some time to "ramp" up and hold steady...

I'll leave it as an exercise for you all, to pull the trend graphs for solar irradiance/sunspots, CO2 outgassing into the atmosphere, and global temperature.

Vasectomy? Maybe not "mystical", but definitely a religious experience.

I just decided what I'm going to name the next iteration of my demented musical gathering.

"Tremble You Dog"

I like it.


Oh, it's on. Dueling with "Sunny".

EDITOR'S NOTE: For anyone who is interested in how humans overcome severe adversity, read about the American jazz guitarist Pat Martino.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2RRUVAD9Mc

Spirit - 1984, Fresh Garbage, Nature's Way
10 Years After (Alvin Lee) - I'd Love To Change The World

Laundry-List time!!!

I hope you can still type. My copy of Warriner's English Grammar is terribly dog eared and I have torn out the pages that I didn't like. Without you here to reset the margins, I fear that this blog will become completely mired down with (shudder) colloquial expressions.

Sincerely,

H.L. Mencken

King Crimson - Starless and Bible Black
Bauhaus - London BBC Sessions

I've seen your recent Head Shots and you look marvelous. Just marvelous.

Kisses,

Zsa Zsa

The day will come when Canada tells America that they have to cut their petroleum (or something like it anyway) exports. That will be the same day that the Delta Force abducts Wayne Gretzky.

Q, thanks for all your great replies today. Hope all goes well with you and your sister-in-law, though you and I know where we will be in 50 years.

I swear, I thought I shut this thang *off* a while ago {EG}.

All I got, is King Crimson "Falling Angel" and Bauhaus "Who Killed Mr. Moonlight."

That's all, really - LOL!!!

Hey *SOKER*, "waz up"? You still gunna tell us where you're getting that 12.5%?


AMR and SJ Mom,

You both have the new, new Palo Alto characterized
to a tee. The economy is based upon the inherent
emptiness of useless Web 2.0 fluff and the
"real estate industrial complex" where they're
shuttling in Chinese money as fast as they can
so they can sell a $100,000 Eichler home for
$1,000,000.

The place has been taken over by hucksters and
wheeler-dealers who are all pretending that
some dude's "web content" idea is anything more
than recycled snake oil from 1999. When the Web
2.0 garbage plays out, Palo Alto will have an
unbelievable crash because they've not only
chased out all the mom and dad businesses but
they've also convinced most of the people who
grew up there to move to another town.

Palo Alto, on weekend nights, is full of people
from other zip codes and area codes who want to
have a "fine dining experience" in one of the
two-dozen overpriced eateries, go back to their
car, and return to San Leandro. Then they can
brag to their friends that they were in
prestigious Palo Alto.

The City Hall epitomizes the cultural genocide
being played out on the town. It's a glass and
steel "neo-Bauhaus" monstrosity which looks like
it should house some agency from the poured-
concrete days of the Soviet Union. Mountain
View and Redwood City have GORGEOUS city halls
while wealthy Palo Alto has a postmodern blight.

What's really odd about the social life in Palo
Alto is that the traffic on University Avenue
is bumper to bumper all night long yet you
wonder where the action is? Car-to-eatery-to-car
is the reason. Palo Alto is FOR SHOW for
touristas and is NOT for the people who actually
live there. Undeniably, there's lots of foot
traffic on weekend days but NONE of the old
communal spirit since you can walk from
Middlefield to High Street and not see one face
you know.

Of course, I can go on and on about the techno
hipsters ... you just sit down at any cafe in
town and you can hear tables of 'em talking up
some gizmo or website that they imagine will
compete with Apple or Google and NONE of that
eavesdropped conversation involves talk about the
REAL ECONOMIC VALUE of their alternative gizmo
but rather just getting to market first because
in a flimsy, no-basis goldrush, that's the only
variable that counts.

As for busting the poor for sleeping in their
vehicles, it reminds me how phony much of
modern progressive liberalism has become.
The "progressives" in Palo Alto are just
covert uber-conservatives (of the "neo" sort)
who haven't been mugged yet.


E.

sometimes i can't tell if you're being sarcastic, or if this is all a parody, or if you're serious.

Dead serious on everything. Everyone else, all the economists, politicians, you name it are all clowns, only I say the truth and namely the jobs won't appear or be created by some invisible hand, by the market, by the free trade economy, they must be assigned, forced, you must assign them, create them by force by paying millions to do nothing at all and paying other millions to build Rockets to Mars and Trillions of Skyscrapers and Cheap Rents, etc. So tell me, Jesus, "King of the Jews", "The Son of Man", pray tell me, how and what jobs will there be available for millions of unemployed people worldwide ? Exactly what will they do ? What will they do for 8 hours a day everyday ? Exactly what mechanical and informational transformations or manipulations that will be worth a salary of at least 800 dollars a month (the worldwide standard of a "high salary" or at least "a salary that starts letting you consume", etc.) will they perform for months on end and years on end (after all, a mortgage is usually from 20 to 30 years, unless you want people to live in homes with a "Cheap Rent" ) ?

Now go on and tell me, we need "education", go on and tell me "they don't have all those special "skill sets" that are required by such a high tech economy" and all other BS, go on and tell me "productivity must be increased" (and killing even more jobs since that is exactly what productivity increases are for and mean), we need "more competition" and all other such BS. This is all a lie, everyone has been brainwashed with this huge pile of crap, it is false and not true, there are no special skill sets needed, no nothing needed, the jobs are simply not there because not needed, and the excuses serve only to make those who can't find the jobs blame themselves and feel guilty since "something is wrong with them if they can't find a job, they should go back to school and learn a new skill" and such.

Especially when the USA corporations ask in interviews when hiring "how would you increase our bottom line, how would you make us make more money, what would you bring to the table if we hire you" and such other insanity, when they all know very well that there is nothing that anyone can bring to the table as all these things have been beaten to death over and over again, they just want to make you feel impotent, small, always guilty, guilty of not "making them make more money" and "being successful" and all other such huge crap. A recipe for insanity and self inflicting guilt, always guilty of something, always not up to anything, the corporations love to crush you psychologically with all of this BS and so many workers fall for all of it and self punish themselves, they really believe it all, they really believe that they are not "up to it", they "are not good enough", they are not "productive enough" and such.

There is no other solution worldwide for hundreds of millions of people, we must give them all a free salary to do nothing at all and at least in part to create Rockets and Skyscrapers and such.

That was from:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=176577

Flannel Jesus wrote:sometimes i can't tell if you're being sarcastic, or if this is all a parody, or if you're serious.

Dead serous on everything. Everyone else, all the economists, politicians, you name it are all clowns, only I say the truth and namely the jobs won't appear or be created by some invisible hand, by the market, by the free trade economy, they must be assigned, forced, you must assign them, create them by force by paying millions to do nothing at all and paying other millions to build Rockets to Mars and Trillions of Skyscrapers and Cheap Rents, etc. So tell me, Jesus, "King of the Jews", "The Son of Man", pray tell me, how and what jobs will there be available for millions of unemployed people worldwide ? Exactly what will they do ? What will they do for 8 hours a day everyday ? Exactly what mechanical and informational transformations or manipulations that will be worth a salary of at least 800 dollars a month (the worldwide standard of a "high salary" or at least "a salary that starts letting you consume", etc.) will they perform for months on end and years on end (after all, a mortgage is usually from 20 to 30 years, unless you want people to live in homes with a "Cheap Rent" ) ?

Now go on and tell me, we need "education", go on and tell me "they don't have all those special "skill sets" that are required by such a high tech economy" and all other BS, go on and tell me "productivity must be increased" (and killing even more jobs since that is exactly what productivity increases are for and mean), we need "more competition" and all other such BS. This is all a lie, everyone has been brainwashed with this huge pile of crap, it is false and not true, there are no special skill sets needed, no nothing needed, the jobs are simply not there because not needed, and the excuses serve only to make those who can't find the jobs blame themselves and feel guilty since "something is wrong with them if they can't find a job, they should go back to school and learn a new skill" and such.

Especially when the USA corporations ask in interviews when hiring "how would you increase our bottom line, how would you make us make more money, what would you bring to the table if we hire you" and such other insanity, when they all know very well that there is nothing that anyone can bring to the table as all these things have been beaten to death over and over again, they just want to make you feel impotent, small, always guilty, guilty of not "making them make more money" and "being successful" and all other such huge crap. A recipe for insanity and self inflicting guilt, always guilty of something, always not up to anything, the corporations love to crush you psychologically with all of this BS and so many workers fall for all of it and self punish themselves, they really believe it all, they really believe that they are not "up to it", they "are not good enough", they are not "productive enough" and such.

There is no other solution worldwide for hundreds of millions of people, we must give them all a free salary to do nothing at all and at least in part to create Rockets and Skyscrapers and such.

"So now CFN believes the numbers?"

You were not "first".

"Look for savers, retirees,.."

Silver savings are doing fine.

"The real debate is between those who are trying to do something about the problem and those who are seeking advantage of the crisis for their own ends."

Very good, Cagle. Like some who have come and gone, not knowing those who claimed to be friends were not, and became meat for the grinder, the grifters package it as patriotism, and sell to the moneyless dreams of a full belly without effart.

Define or be defined.

"Of course, a 91% tax rate on the rich guaranteed we had revenue and could pay our debts."

Tariffs on the rich scumbags that profit from slave-labour wages in foreign countries import it here without supporting our goobermint, expecting unemployed makers of the same items to buy them are bilking you not wanting you to know that tariffs would accomplish the same thing without punishing those americans who do support the people and their duly elected goobermint.

"...and would vote for him if I felt he had a chance in hell of getting elected."

Stop listening to the corporate propogandist talking heads and just vote for him. If enough of us ignore them, what they say won't matter.

...the giant vampire squid will stick it's funnel everywhere it smells money."

A single Mercury dime will plug that sucker off.

"And who is Rush to judge who is gaming the system - how does one come to that conclusion anyway?"

Rush hates RP too, wonder why?

The reason why they hate RP is because the Tea Partiers may not be so willing to keep doing the military hegemony thing.Or the non-stop bank bailouts.

There are many things wrong with their thinking but the power elite can't tolerate someone who may put the plug on Neoconservatism. We can't have that, now can we?

You probably don't like flyover country either {this ain't google earth}.

I went to a tea party in OKC and saw a 7 year old boy with a two foot poster of George Washington with "home-grown terrist" in black magic marker across the top.

I did not see any of Alexander Hamilton or any five-star Generals.

Ten years later.

As I heard the bell tolling to commemorate the plane hitting the first tower of the World Trade Center, this morning I began to relive the moments before the first hit.

I had gotten up early ready to work on a project from home. It was gorgeous in comparison to the hot humid rainy day we drove home the day before from a yearly vacation. I had a great sense of well-being as I sat sipping my coffee, listening to an interview about a book that came out about Howard Hughes on the Today Show.

As I sat there, I heard a low flying plane and jumped up and ran onto my terrace. I saw nothing. As I stood in the middle of the deck I heard a loud sound of thunder, which I would soon learn was the sound of the plane crashing through the building.

I immediately looked north at the Empire state building and a sense of relief came over me that the building stood motionless, unharmed.

For whatever reason, I didn't go farther toward the edge to look downtown. I stood there trying to reason out what I just heard and remembered that the Concorde was slated to be discontinued and thought, maybe that's what I heard.

I went back inside and listened to the interview. It took a few minutes before the program was interrupted by what would become our moment in history.

We had just turned the corner into a new century. One always wonders what the new century has in store for us and this was the shoe that dropped.

How much do you pay a broker for investment advice?

"A single Mercury dime will plug that sucker off."

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All hail Caesar!

Eleuthero,

My daughter and I were at the Stanford Art Museum Saturday afternoon. I drove down University Avenue for nostalgic reasons. The traffic was horrible.

On the Stanford campus, I saw the construction of some architectural horror that at this stage looks like a concrete storage bunker for waste. The building is probably being built with funds from an insanely rich alum hoping they'll get their money's worth in glory and reputation correction.

Asoka writes:

" The sky is falling, the sky is falling, sudden and quick collapse is imminent ... "next year"

Boy who cried wolf ... and has been crying wolf for decades now. Doomster porn addicts."

Human’s love to impose the shackles of meritocracy , i.e., those who deserve and those that don’t. I see a branch of this in the ‘prepare or else’ sentiment bandied about in the “Doomer Community”. It’s almost like they have already casted their “ I Survived The Coming Collapse” trophy award. We have all read the dire warnings.: ‘ You’re not going to make it through the bottleneck’ etc. But not only there, I was checking out a NDE ( Near Death Experience) site the other night and started reading some of the research and first hand accounts. Invariably, many of these accounts are told with a meritorious slant that only the good are allowed initial access to the white light at the end of the tunnel. Which is my clue that I am now reading a third rate contrived embellishment.

It’s like the sage who is in a perpetual state of meditation while the disciples trace the spiritual contour in hopes of achieving the same grace of enlightenment by codifying the sage-state into an arduous task in which only the most deserving succeed.

But a Christ, Buddha, or Lao Tze rarely emerges from the Christian, Buddhist, or Taoist tradition. Because humans typically reach for the Cup that symbolizes achievement, instead of drinking the wine that actually satiates the soul. We want formulas and diagrams and that’s just too sticking small.

Tremble you dog - Brilliant. It's inspired. So was that bit of playing you posted. Great stuff.

I don't believe I have ever heard put any better than from this movie scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYP2EJb1nTQ&feature=related

I never get tired of that song.

I'll be enjoying lots of Pro Football today ... except for one thing: the ubiquitous southern accent talking heads and referees.

Already, I heard Terry Bradshaw talking about the Cincinnati "Bingles."

And one of his cohorts reported a halftime score of "twinny tee-in."

What, pray God, has become of the spoken short e in the US south?

"What, pray God, has become of the spoken short e in the US south?"

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LOL! Someone from New Joysey complaining about the purity of spoken English, which is not really spoken properly anywhere in the United States.

I know you like to get upset over little things Q. and I am enjoying your whining.

I like to embrace multitude of lovely sounds that linguistic diversity affords us, reminding us that language is a dynamic and evolving phenomena.

language is a dynamic and evolving phenomena.
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I think you were going for the singular - phenomenon. But even so I don't like the word choice based on the following definition:

phe·nom·e·non
noun, plural -na
1. a fact, occurrence, or circumstance observed or observable: to study the phenomena of nature.
2. something that is impressive or extraordinary.
3. a remarkable or exceptional person; prodigy; wonder.

Your sentence would have been better as "language is dynamic and evolving."

In any case, though I know this to be true, I would prefer it not evolve "on my shift" as William Safire once said.

"I haven't "bought totally into the Asoka mystique"
-buck-

Buying into the "asoka mystique" just means that you believe everything he says, Buck. Even though he admits that some of the things he claims to do and believe are mutually exclusive - to the point that he contains "multitudes."

Personally, I've come to recognize that, in asoka.'s case - these are "multitudes" of inconsistencies, or "multitudes" of outright lies. And I no longer give much consideration to asoka. - except as he impedes honest CFN dialog with his multitudes, lies, and racism.

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Besides that, Buck - I think DELIBERATELY having zero kids could be considered a coward's approach to life. It's much easier to refuse to work for a better future - If you know you're going to die before that future ever gets here - and you have no progeny that will get to that future, either.

And my wife and I had only two kids. That was recommended by the Zero Population Growth movement - some of which was inspired or was invoked in that Marvin Gaye song you referenced.

ZPG advocated a US population stabilized at +/-
200,000,000. That we are at 313,000,000 and climbing rapidly - is mostly due to LEGAL immigration and immigrant birth rates.

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How large do you think the US population should be allowed to grow, Buck?
Asoka. says 600,000,000+.

I say that yields - at best - a US with mostly third world living standards.

Or it yields - at worst - a planet that is incapable of supporting human life above ground.

What say you, Buck, about a desirable US population level?

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Two good responses to me, Cash. And I concur.

You hit the nail on the head. Gentrification is exactly what it is--done a bit more viciously than in some places, but following the same rotten principles.


Prog, for somebody who " no longer gives much consideration to asoka" you sure spend a lot of time writing about him. And recently, for some strange reason, you have begun linking me with your obviously undeniable obsession. If you follow our conversation thread back to its inception, one will read you once again leading off with, you guessed it, Asoka:

"I have been wondering why the protesters at the State Capital were so quick to raise charges of "RACISM" against the recently passed Georgia immigration bill. Asoka supplied the answer."

Personally, Prog, I have no problem with your Asoka obsession; he has obviously captured your mind. But let's leave it between you and Asoka.

How large do you think the US population should be allowed to grow, Buck? Asoka. says 600,000,000+.

Asoka said 600,000,000 could easily be handled by the USA, given the population density of the USA.

I say that yields - at best - a US with mostly third world living standards.

I would say you have little knowledge of what "third world living standards" are, and little knowledge of the advantages of third world living standards. You don't see the positive aspects of the third world.

We are headed to something similar to third world living standards. The third world is headed to something different than their third world living standards.

In our case it is good because we need to lower our energy consumption. In their case, it may not be so good.

Thanks. My inspiration was one of Herr Goebbels' messages to the Leftists who were then (but not later!) infesting Germany.

I stood up to him. All I did, and apparently it was my unforgivable sin, was to demonstrate his racism and document John Stanton's racism and support of the anti-immigration organizations ProCon pushes every week. His obsession is a bit strange, and linking it to you is entirely unwarranted.

Now he has several times warned people not to try to discuss anything with me, while at the same time saying I am the one impeding dialog. I actually find that contradiction kind of funny. :)

His condemnation of, and refusal to discuss, Sharia law is another indication of his racism and intolerance.

Some of you have suggested that I get a blog. I just started one at aliensinthefamily.wordpress.com. Also, a length restriction seems to have been imposed on my comments, and from what I can tell not because they were going unread. I don't believe that I've been wasting bandwidth, at least compared to some on this thread, but I'm not about to get entangled in a pissing match on someone else's blog.

Prog has lived a very sheltered life and is not used to being called a racist. Like George Bush, he is shocked. What planet do these guys come from - calling Whites racist is the first refuge of dark skinned scoundrels. That you have no problem with it makes U 1 2 sans dark skin. I hear there are drugs you can buy...

The last comment was meant for the entire forum; my bad.

Eleuthero: a longer response that I wrote to your last Palo Alto comment just got eaten up by the Time will tell.

"I stood up to him. All I did, and apparently it was my unforgivable sin, was to demonstrate his racism"
-asoka-

Once again - my racism demonstrated in a blaze of circular logic - the real question vanishes into the ether.
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Is it possible to be opposed to present rates of legal AND illegal immigration - without being a racist?

Simple question goes to you, Buck.

We already know asoka.'s answer.


"Prog has lived a very sheltered life and is not used to being called a racist. Like George Bush, he is shocked."
-vlad-

You've been keeping up with the discussion, Vlad.
Good for you.

At the risk of losing another screenname - I'm going to repost the West/Bush imbroglio. This is important stuff. If BushII can be shocked and blindsided by a charge of racism over Katrina -
as he visibly was - - -

"I resent it, it's not true," Bush said. "And it was one of the most disgusting moments in my presidency."
-bushII, upon being accused of racism-

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1651415/bush-calls-kanye-wests-katrina-rant-most-disgusting-moment.jhtml

What are the rest of us poor white slobs supposed to do about a thing like this?

In Junior's case I don't think it is race predjudice. My own observations of him point to class or privelege predjudice.

Oh man, it's got a Nazi component too? That will definately get the Goths frothing. Hmm. Goths Frothing. Maybe I'll go with that.

"calling Whites racist is the first refuge of dark skinned scoundrels"

You know, back in the early 90's, my *whiter than white* cohorts/fellow employees used to call me the "Republican Dog." I'll be the first to call a spade a spade, or a KKK white inbred homophobe a racist. And, I'm about as white-bred as you can get. Sometimes, even I seem racist, when I hear about 23-year-old black females with 6+ kids from 5+ different fathers, complaining about not getting their fair share of "wellfare." But calling "them" as they obviously *are*, seems to me, to have nothing to do with the caller's skin color, whatsoever...

Asoka bleated:
"How much do you pay a broker for investment advice?"

LOL - I suppose you want me to pay for your 12.5% annual interest *miracle*? I'll pass, scammer. I made that mistake only *ONCE* - paying a travelers/citi broker for advice, in 1997, and the FSCKING moron still managed to loose me money (as the market went up 30%/year, for 3 years - at least it was only 10% of my total portfolio).

As I already said, your investment *exploit* can be nothing more than Asia/India(/PIGS?) ETF's, or gold/silver ETF's. Unless you're planning on hauling 1/4 ton of silver across the Tejas/Arizona/Mejico border, on down to the Amazon Rainforest (the 30% still standing)...

Oh, come on, man. How about some white on white racism? Serbia and Croatia? Ring a bell? Just one example of many.

12.5% ? I don't think that Warren Buffet gets those kinds of returns. On an unrelated note, I'm kinda' shocked that you actually looked up my posted musical references. Dude, those references were designed to mystify and befuddle. This is abstract electronic ensemble music at it's best. That was a very courageous thing that you did. You risked permanent brain damage. I will find you some relevant links with those two bands that are more in tune with your American Pop sensibilities. They can perform some really pretty music when the mood strikes them. I'm going to go listen to Dolly Parton for awhile. See y'all Monday.

" Is it possible to be opposed to present rates of legal AND illegal immigration - without being a racist?"

Prog,

You have voiced your opposition to illegal immigration many times. And many times you have qualified that opposition by tying your concerns to the environment/overpopulation. And many times I have stated that I believe you not to be a racist.

I'm beginning to wonder what you want me to say Prog, that I believe " in the myth of you" ? No, I'll take your word on it, just as I do Asoka.

Let's move on.

"Very good, Cagle. Like some who have come and gone, not knowing those who claimed to be friends were not, and became meat for the grinder, the grifters package it as patriotism, and sell to the moneyless dreams of a full belly without effart.

Define or be defined."

COOL!
Xhalor

HOW 'BOUT THEM JETS!!!

"Once again - my racism demonstrated in a blaze of circular logic - the real question vanishes into the ether."

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How convenient that you cut out the evidence I provided. I did not just out of the blue one day call you a racist. I cited your constant encouragement of CFN to join one of the John Stanton-supported or John Stanton-founded organizations. And I provided information about just who John Stanton is.

You yourself said your ancestors were slaveholders and you excuse them for that behavior by saying it was "normal" to own slaves back then.

BULLSHIT! From the very first arrival of Quakers in New England there was a movement against slavery. Your ancestors were intentionally racist slaveholders, just as you are intentionally anti-immigrant. You come by your racism honestly, but you are not honest enough to own up to it.

I also have a misplaced disdain for the Chair Force.

HEY QSHTIK!
Los Angeles no longer has an NFL franchise. Say what? One of the largest sports viewing audiences in the world. It moved to St. Louis. When was the last time you saw a RAM in Missouri? Hmmm. They used to be the Minneapolis Lakers. Not a lot of lakes in LA County. What goes around, comes around.

Best Wishes,

Jerry West

"On an unrelated note, I'm kinda' shocked that you actually looked up my posted musical references."

Didn't have to - I listened to Bauhaus heavily in the early 80's, as well as King Crimson. My fav Bauhaus tune was, "Bela Lugosi's dead."

I actually managed to see King Crimson live in '93, and Fripp was a total freak. He hid backstage, while playing with the band onstage. They spent about 30 minutes (dead-air), trying to get him on stage to do some guitar-midi solo work, and he did finally do it (they had to set up an additional curtain, which was pulled after he started his solo work). Apparently, the guy has major stage-fright (or smokes way too much dope/eats too much LSD)...

Q - don't sweat the soft-on - they have these drugs, called Viagra/Cialis(/Levitra). As for those other ailments, age is a byotch, I suppose. You can beat the no-piss/prostrate cancer, through rigorous use (not overuse!) of plain-old ethanol (and vigorous intake of water/fruit juice)... Of course, there's all these adverts now, about the schw33 new catheters for *emergency drains*. I did me some caths, back when I whuz about 8 years old - ahh, medicine, treat the symptoms!

CORRECTION:

"23-year-old black females"
23-year-old *SINGLE/DIVORCED* black females

"MY BAD!" (Ahahaha!)

Oh, and (I didn't) xhalor, those songs I quoted (3) above are all from CD's I purchased, and still own. GO FIGURE!

Well ain't I just preachin' to the choir. Last time I saw KC was in Munich in the '80's after their "Discipline" recording. One of the most amazing performances I ever saw. And, yes, Bob does not want the spotlight on him. You could barely see him, and Adrian Belew did not introduce him with the rest of the band.

P.S.

Bauhaus - In Fear of Fear

Peter Murphy Rules!

IXNEI and Uncle Slappy--My point on future value of 500 ounces of silver is that it is possible that with world currency devaluating quickly an ounce of silver could sell for as much as $500 to $1000 in a few years. Silver is becoming more scarce than gold and it is being consumed rapidly in many different ways in production(electrical, medical,Investment etc etc)SO THEREFORE it seems to me you can buy as little as 500 ounces of silver for $25K and wait for the dollar to crash and sell your silver for $200 to $500 an ounce and pay off your mortgage.It just might work!

Why, oh why, are you going to pay the banks back, *AFTER* the dollar crashes?!... You save that silver, and use it to buy *real* commodities to keep you *alive*...

with world currency devaluating quickly
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Common mistake Schilk...it's devaluing

I'm going with fish farm. What I can't sell will be mulched(?) into organic fertilizer. I need to hook up with an earthworm farmer. Kind of a no-brainer.

Wow, what is this unbreakable bond between the "pauper/debtor," with all their assets 25-50% *underwater*, and the TBTF banksters that provide them 4-6%+++ *loans* (that they get 0% from Fed)? I'm completely *DUMBFOUNDED*!!!

Oh, and *yes* - it's gunna get *HOT*. Time for some tinfoil, *maybe*?!...

TECH NOTE: Line your tinfoil with gauze. Helps soak up the sweat and prevents short circuits. On a personal note, I no longer receive those annoying transmissions from Bob anymore.

"Bob"

Not Robert Fripp, but I presume, Bob Marley? I ran into this Rastafarian guy in DC in '86 at a bar, and he was fomenting all evening, about Bob having been assassinated. I wouldn't doubt it for a second - wasn't the heavy metal/radioactive cesium/carcinogenic hydrocarbon the poison of choice for future *work* (non-detectable)?

This might come back to bite us, as apparently there are tons and tons of depleted uranium ordinances to be collected in Iraq (and ground into *dust*)... What was that tale about blackbirds in the pie?!...

This is like the height of obscenity. We now have so much of this poison that "shoot it at the fuckers" has become a viable disposal option. Oh, and I meant Bob Barker.

Truly Yours,

Bob Hope

Is it possible to get a motorcycle to run on home-made alcohol (i.e. "moonshine")? Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dOsbsuhYGQ

"How convenient that you cut out the evidence I provided."
-asoka-

Circular evidence in a circular argument proves less than nothing.

I am not a racist.

That proves it.

"That proves it."

Now you will need to define "normal" and relate it to the "new normal" so this new concoction of ideas can lead to compositional flatulance and one of you can run away with your fingers vise-gripped over your knose.

ProCon, since I don't know you personally I cannot say whether or not you are a racist. I assume you are an honorable man and if you say you are not a racist, then I accept you at your word.

Thank you for replying directly to me. Thank you for leaving Buck Stud out of it. Thank you for not being a racist.

Yeah, well, soak - it was the end of the week and I thought I'd give you the "thrill" of a direct response from me.

Let's see whether I can honorably work to reduce US immigration rates without you calling me racist - going into the future.

I'm pretty sure you will be back to some version of "once a racist, always a racist" pretty quickly - in your thoughts and posts as regards my P2C persona.

And then I will be back to addressing you through Buck/Vlad/NameTa8/anyone else.

We all have our battles to fight.
Some of us are fighting without honor.

You just need to admit that to yourself - you are already good at bringing it out in others.

" We should be so lucky here. Given the situation, it's not unthinkable that self-styled Texas secessionist Rick Perry could be the next president. On top of that, the guy is a Christian Dominionist nut. This outfit wants to capture all politics, culture, and media in what is now the USA and turn them into a sci-fi nightmare of correct thinking. You have no idea how dangerous and determined this group is. The Left ignores them at the peril of everyone. They are the corn-pone Nazis I've been warning you about."

Too late. He's already here. He currently resides in the W.H.



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My mother had sat down by the table with a cup of coffee.

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"Does it hurt?"

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Dad shook his head. "Must be some acquainted,1 up ear if you couldn't hear that alarm."

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My ancestor,1 beyond,1 the approach,1 channel. "Do you feel ailing,1?"

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"Well," Mom said. "I guess you do have a point."

I begin,1 a blubbery,1 pair of socks and put on my pants and a sweatshirt. Then I headed downstairs, too.

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"How long were you yelling and throwing things?" I asked.

"Well," I said. "It feels plugged. Like I've got affection,1 in it."

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"Yes, Mom," I said.

"Did Needles sleep in the barn last night?" I asked. Dad was below,1 by a cow, putting on the milker. He shook his head.

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"How is she going to acquisition,1 out if her ear is accepting,1 better and whether she can hear the alarm if she doesn't set it?" Dad asked.

There it was again.

"FINALLY!" I heard a voice assert,1.

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"Did it get below zero?" I asked when I reached the bottom of the steps.

I had been so active,1 trying to wake up that I hadn't yet thought about my ear.

"It must be if you couldn't hear that alarm!" Mom said.

It seemed as if I had been asleep for only a few minutes when al of a sudden,1, I felt as if something had hit me. Except-how could that be? I was in my room, beneath,1 the quilts and blankets. I must have been absent,1.

Coffee? At this time of night?

Something bounced off the bed and landed on the floor.

"You couldn't?"

"Shoes, books. Whatever she could reach. She was yelling, too. I think it was a shoe that finally hit me."

"How else was I going to get you to wake up?"

It was my mother on her hands and knees at the head of the steps. She was holding a shoe in one duke,1.

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Right before I had come admiral,1, Mom said I should probably break,1 home from academy,1 tomorrow, but back,1 it was the first day back after vacation, I wanted to go. If you absent,1 out on the aboriginal,1 day back, then it seemed like it took an awfully long time to catch up. There was a aberration,1 amid,1 a snow day when no one went to academy,1 and a day when everyone else went to school but you backward,1 home sick...

My eyes popped open. The allowance,1 was dark. Well, not absolutely,1 dark. A little light filtered up the stairs from the kitchen. Mom and Dad must not have gone to bed yet. Otherwise the kitchen light would not still be on.

"Things?" Dad asked.

This was no acceptable,1. My left ear felt like it was going to backfire,1 when it was against the pillow.

"YES I threw something!"

I turned back onto my ride side. And just like that, my left ear felt better.

"Did you throw something at me Mom?"

But delay,1. What was that I could smell? It smelled like ... well ... it smelled like coffee.

Not that I had anything against udder cream. I loved the way it smelled-like wintergreen. But when it was cold in the winter, the udder cream was so annealed,1 you about,1 could not beat,1 it out of the tin. Sometimes Dad had to let it sit in the bucket of warm baptize,1 for a while to soften it up.

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I paused to accede,1. "Not really. It just mostly feels plugged up."

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