Weimar Meets Waterloo


The Sunday night news, scant as it is these days despite the grotesque exertions of over a thousand cable TV stations, showed the old familiar faces lit up with crocodile smiles. The Republic was saved, surprise, surprise, by a last-minute fugue of reasonableness, when all concerned decided that putting the business-end of a double-barreled 20-guage shotgun in America's pie-hole might not summon the spirits of Ronald Reagan, Santa Claus, Adam Smith, Chuck Norris, and the Holy Ghost after all.
     Let's give thanks that it's over because now the USA can get on with its systemic collapse honestly and fairly. Even though the debt ceiling extravaganza ended in something like political failure, one point did seem to shine through: there's no more money. Anyway, no money for non-bankers, and pretty soon even the bankers will be out of money too, because their money is fantasy banking money (sssshhhh, don't tell them) consisting of hard-drives packed with digital slime trails of swindles and frauds. The public can live in straight-up unvarnished fear now that they are liable to lose everything they thought they had.
     This new depression is way different from the hazily remembered one of grampy's boyhood. There was no money then, too, in 1934, but you didn't have to puzzle out the metaphysical workings of a collateralized debt obligation to know what the score was. Your pockets were just empty and the bank down the street was shuttered. The country had plenty of everything except money: lots of oil, good farmland, manpower, ores, timber, beeves-on-the-hoof, excellent railroads, dynamic cities, and factories just recently built (only the orders for goods stopped coming in). Yet something happened that still mystifies the viziers who call themselves economists. 
     Was it all that mischief on Wall Street with the "bucket shops" and the margin-gone-wild, and the shoeshine boys proffering stock tips to their customers? Or was it some remorseless cyclical exhalation of history? Or was it that plus the Keynesian monkey-business with interest rates and the issuance of  currency? Or was it some fundamental flaw in the workings of industrial capitalism itself? These questions have never been adequately answered, though there is no shortage of "stories" cooked up to explain it - many of them elegantly entertaining.
     My own guess is that the industrial experience itself was a peculiar experiment rife with treacherous self-amplifying feedbacks that the participants were not prepared for, such as the rapid saturation of markets via mass production at the colossal scale. Whoops. And meanwhile, everybody in China is living in the equivalent of the 12th century, so forget about selling them radios. (Globalization eventually fixed that...or did it?)  To put a finer point on it, industrialism (and all its digital offshoots) may not be a permanent feature of the human condition, but an anomalous congruence of some historical events that had a beginning, a middle, and an end.
     I happen to think we're at the end of this anomalous era because we've run through the material resource base. I know a lot of people eagerly await the nano-dawn of self-replicating bot Satori, where everything we need is literally conjured out of thin air. The Viziers would really love that because, at last, their models would work! Personally, I do not hold my breath waiting for Kurzweilian "Singularity." We'll be disappointed enough when Walmart fails to run on wind turbines.
     So now we enter an economic terra incognita of the real post-industrial economy - not the Cinderella hoo-hah of digi-magic advertised in places like Wired Magazine, but more like a Foxfire world made by hand. We're out of cheap oil, cheap and good ores, ocean fish, good timber, and lots of other things. All the stuff we erected to live our lives in - the stupendous armature of highways, strip malls, suburban houses, skyscraper condos, sewer systems, electric grids - is beyond our power to repair now. We can only patch it, and that can only work for so long before things go dark. (Can you sharpen a saw blade?)
     The money part is not so hard to understand. When the dynamism wanes in a hypertrophic system, money can no longer be created. Real money, that is. Money that means something, a trustworthy medium of exchange, in a system where borrowers reliably pay back loaned money. All the current money fiascos underway around the world, old and new, western and eastern, are just dumb-shows put on to conceal the fact that money is not being paid back. Real wealth is contracting - even as the smaller pool of remaining wealth moves magnetically to the centers of power.
      We will never solve this American debt crisis. We're going broke fast and it will be like falling down a long staircase. The federal government will never recover. It will pretend to be in charge of things that continue to fall apart, and eventually its pretenses will be seen for what they are - and then it will be every community for itself. (The same can be said of the states, and even the counties.)
     The troubles will mount more rapidly, too, from here, because nobody has been fooled by the machinations in congress the past month, except maybe the elected cravens at the center of it all, and many of them are in their final years of lofty, well-feathered splendor. A debt rating warning - if that's what it turns out to be - will be brushed aside, and for some good reasons, too, but it is really a dark sign that our Republic does not function anymore and is primed to break apart.
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Well, James, waddya know. They made a compromise of debt limit. Just in time to save the banksters from another global financial meltdown, and fuck the rest of us, continuing to maintain their DOMINATION over the slavish masses. Trust went out the door millennia ago; and all we have left is their merciless control over the planet. Some more Spectacle from DC – the Deficit Deal - to keep the huddled masses scared and confused, and beholden to their masters.

http://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/posts/predators-and-princes-from-kinship-to-kingship/

Enjoy this week’s missive. kulturCritic

There's always a temptation to try to find a parallel in history, and the pitfalls that go with that. The Weimar one is very apt, however, following the weak leadership we have lately from all involved parties.

Visit the Leibowitz Society at http://leibowitzsociety.blogspot.com/2011/07/ghost-town-blues.html for a discussion about our ongoing collapse as well as what the future holds and discussions about how to save our knowledge for the future.

Global GDP approx $60 trillion

(by comparison USA public debt approx $15 trillion)

Revenue from oil sales 86 Mbd x 365 x $100 = $3 trillion.

The whole of the world's GDP is being leveraged by a 20:1 ratio on the back of oil production.

Oil production in terminal decline - what does that say for the world GDP - also reached its limit of growth.

USA and the west will be saddled with debts that their declining GDPs will never be able to service


Have a nice week


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I remeber being asked in 2000 before one of my grad school history classes if there were to be a course on globalism, what would the curriculum be and how would one teach it? I think the professor was a bit ahead of her time when she asked that, for the history had not been made yet to demonstrate how globalism was the complete global-phuck of systems, society and civilization. It would be akin to asking an ancient roman how one would study Empire in all its parts while gazing accross the Rubicon assured no one would ever "cross it"

As for the teahadists, has anyone ever really considered that that band of "rogues" is really backed by those remaining entities holding "all the chips" of our degrading monetary system so that while they "drown the government in a bathtub" they can easily step in and become what they intended to destroy? One can go back and forth in time as to exactly when our democracy ended and started to become a facist dominion, but one thing is very clear and that is that a new paradigm is on the brink of taking over....and as things fall apart, nobody is paying much attention. Peak resources aside, the ghost in the machine is bent on self-destruct because demoicracy, freedom, oil, food....nothing lasts forever, despite man's endeavor to make it so otherwise.

This wee budget malestrom is merely a preview, a small bump on the road to what our destination is likely to be. How soon now before things really dissolve and the world we once thought we knew is no longer even being played out in pretend?

One of your best ever, which is really saying something. And the comments so far are pretty good too, an anomaly on the web that shows the nature of this site and its readers.

Time to get on with the work of revisioning, respiriting, rebuilding and reorganizing the post-industrial world. Starting from well outside the "mainstream," taking support, resources and hope where we can find them, and doing what we have to do. Thanks for leading the process.

Recently it’s been reported that Federal Spending, as a percentage of GDP has, since 2008, gone up rather dramatically. And while it’s true that Federal Spending has gone up, the prevailing assumption is that the GDP has been growing as well, even if a bit slower than we’re accustomed to. In reality the GDP, when adjusted for ACTUAL inflation instead of the CPI fiction, has been shrinking and has been to varying rates since the 1973 oil embargo!

http://www.gwabert.com/

A wee suggestion ‘musically’ to accompany this week’s JHK missive...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHFfmwFHOq0

Be seeing you...

I have enjoyed these Monday morning rants but I feel they may have reached the point where they have outlived their usefulness, other than the entertainment value just as comedians are entertaining. I think everyone gets it now. We are on the road to ruin. But when we reach ruin, what will we do?

James writes, "pretty soon even the bankers will be out of money too, because their money is fantasy banking money (sssshhhh, don't tell them) consisting of hard-drives packed with digital slime trails of swindles and frauds."

I met a NY city police chief whilst on vacation last summer, we chatted.

I still regret not asking him why his officers were concerned with Escalades double parked outside the kindergarten and had not looked into the biggest crime in history.

"My own guess is that the industrial experience itself was a peculiar experiment rife with treacherous self-amplifying feedbacks that the participants were not prepared for, such as the rapid saturation of markets via mass production at the colossal scale. Whoops. And meanwhile, everybody in China is living in the equivalent of the 12th century, so forget about selling them radios. (Globalization eventually fixed that...or did it?) To put a finer point on it, industrialism (and all its digital offshoots) may not be a permanent feature of the human condition, but an anomalous congruence of some historical events that had a beginning, a middle, and an end." -JHK

That would be my guess also; and, as always, handily expressed! :o)

A Mr. Fish cartoon had a fine, chilling caption for the top-hat-and-monocle crowd:

"And then, without warning, doomsday refused to take a bribe..."

Thanks once AGAIN, JHK!

Several weeks ago, I met an Indian gentleman from Mumbai on the train from Guangzhou to Hong Kong. He said that he exports stainless steel from China to India. During our conversation, I mentioned "Peak Oil". He seemed like a rational man, so I was struck by his deep-seated, irrational belief in technology, and that technology would inevitably save us with some new, cheap, unlimited replacement for oil.

Man's belief in technology is akin to a religious faith.

Globalism in it's third stage

JHK, I have been mystified why Keynes is always being blamed for the supply-side regressive economic system we've been living under since Reaganomics was instituted. I mentioned the same to Charles Hugh Smith a few weeks ago. We still have vestiges of Keynesianism but it can't work with the present system and ideology that runs our upper echelon now.

The interest rates were played with by Reagan, as they were very high in the double digits during Carter's term. So Greenspan lowered them artificially to start the housing bubble way back when.

The idea here was that the US was the greatest market place with planned obsolescence built in for continual growth, but that wasn't enough when huge potential markets like China and India were out there.

The idea was to turn our economy into a post-industrial one where our transnationals could pollute at will with slave labor and no restrictions. (Neoliberalism) And we would be a service economy. Banking being the largest most affluent global player.

Our infrastructure would be sold to foreign interests to build. That's where we are now, with our social contracts about to collapse and a president that comes in right of the Republicans.

We are in for a great fall, but it didn't have to play out like this, even if we are in peak oil. Peak finance didn't have to come into play for the last 35 years, distorting everything into twisted metal. Just visualize the World Trade Center for how we look now.

How much made up money is out there?

In print on paper?

In Binary Code on the Computer Machines?

Trillions? Quadrillions?

Installing Solar in extremely remote farm locations is the best medication for this ailing brain of mine that is so quickly losing faith in the future...

Cheers JHK and the rest of you ClusterFuckers.

PUSH ON. DO GOOD. KEEP SMILING.

BTW, I found this really incisive:

" Let's give thanks that it's over because now the USA can get on with its systemic collapse honestly and fairly. Even though the debt ceiling extravaganza ended in something like political failure, one point did seem to shine through: there's no more money. Anyway, no money for non-bankers, and pretty soon even the bankers will be out of money too, because their money is fantasy banking money (sssshhhh, don't tell them) consisting of hard-drives packed with digital slime trails of swindles and frauds. The public can live in straight-up unvarnished fear now that they are liable to lose everything they thought they had." -JHK

Alrighty then! Some of the pretending has indeed vanished into the straw-grasping circle of the Venn diagram; the extending will be extended until it becomes totally irrelevant dream-smoke. (That will be in the midst of privation so profound, that those who would indulge in the extending will have to be expunged for the commonweal ;o)

We'll move up a couple of more decks on the Titanic. However, we are about to run out of decks...

Oh shucks, the elites have already taken the lifeboats!

It's the morning after the night before down in Foggy Bottom. The party-goers have hit the snooze button on the alarm clock and it's quiet again. For a while. So we have a few more minutes to wish on a star that a miracle will occur.

Real wealth is created by digging raw materials out of the ground, processing them to make useful commodities and adding value by manufacturing goods from them.

It takes decades of blood, sweat and tears to lift a nation from an economy based on agriculture to one based on industrialisation.

China only achieved their current status in 30 years because they are burning up the most concentrated source of energy produced on this planet, and they have over 1300 million willing volunteers.

Whilst they were busy with their own industrial revolution - we were destroying our manufacturing base and pretending that we could run an economy based on servicing public and private debt.

Meanwhile, we took our eye off the ball, and let our infrastructure slip into terminal decline.

As JHK points out, this is no longer like the 1930's when we had vast resource wealth in petroleum and raw materials and an agri-economy which could feed the nation.

Now the nation's industry is turning to iron oxide along with much of the crumbling infrastructure built in the post war booms years - and there's nothing left in the coffers to repair it.

Makes the Weimar option look an attractive way out of this mess. And all those oversized Escalades, and F350 pickups will come in handy to cart around all those dollars needed to buy your Big Macs and your Cheeze Doodles.


JHK, great column this week. I though the plural of 'beef' was 'beef' though. And, yes, I can sharpen a saw blade.

California State Fair included a Muslim outreach booth, from which emanated rumors of a coming billboard campaign extolling Islam. Speaking of coming rumors, there are reports that particle physics scientists are investigating evidence of a singularity, which they have determined occurred in the confines of the shroud of Turin. That could confuse the basic writings of the Qu'ran indeed, even if adherents were not already tying the overworked Prophet (bless his name) to the most questionable Gospel of Barnabas, written about 1300 years too late...

But to the real business of railroads and banking, as Jesse J. would put the matter. As noted by our present day James K. above, railroads certainly were around, across and up & down America in 1934. It seems we're are in a cosmic confluence of religious and technical happenings and it's a wonder America still has a remnant of Parallel Bar Therapy at all. Bible reference to railway in Daniel 4 V 15 may be a stretch, but it does say bands of iron and bronze: as in electric railways with Phosphor Bronze? Is America the great tree over the earth, brought to near ruin except for the iron bands that remain? Are Biblical writings to be taken seriously in this age of private enterprise space travel?

Railways seem utterly irrelevant, an anomaly in America with 100 million cars and trucks doing the moving, running on plenteous liquid motor fuel. Or is that the illusion? More, let's say when David's cup runneth over in the presence of his enemies in the famous 23rd, we are really talking about Israeli reserves? Large. And will the giants against of Israel have the discipline to refrain from attacking , forgetting about the smooth stones?

America pulls back from the overseas outposts, bringing to bear military units to be renamed Railroad Operating & Maintenance Battalions. Like we had from the Civil War through the VietNam era. Not a new use of the American military, to aid and abet private enterprise railroading. This interesting time at hand, military rail logistics units help with the rebuild of abandoned rail lines to serve agricultural traffic corridors, and propel modest manufacturing renaissance. Crazy idea that, or is Peak Oil the crazy idea, and we continue to motor on happily?

I do not hold my breath waiting for Kurzweilian "Singularity."
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Me either Jimmy boy, me either. But I pretty much feel the same about your silly predictions as well.

"And, yes, I can sharpen a saw blade."

Me too; got plenty of [quality] files? Not something to "cheap out" on. Working on my collection, and also have an antique tooth "setting" device that needs some divining. I gots a couple modern piece-o-shit saws to practice on.

"Beeves" is a somewhat anachronistic term for a collection of cows [and bulls] that was quite common in cowboy days. (I always enjoy JHK's usage of terms and idioms to tickle the curiosity and imagination.)

See "Isabel Piczec Image Formation" discussion of the event horizon. Anyway, it's a pleasure to get in a few lines before the linguini flinging gets started. Best wishes Jim, until next week...

I believe that things can be turned around but not with this kind of government. To make necessary changes there can be no divided authority. Unfortunately democracy will not work and we are doomed.
Napoleon was able to make necessary changes to French legislation within few days. With current system it cannot be done in 100 years.

Jim, your reference to saturated markets in the 1920s was spot on. Market saturation played a huge but ignored role in the Great Depression.

Nor was the saturation completely unexpected. Sane observers warned of it and predicted an economic contraction as a consequence, but they were poo-pooed as Chicken Littles by the hackneyed consensus thinkers of their day. Never mind that data indicating rising market saturation supported their claims.

The same fucking thing has been happening for the past decade or so. In the Roaring Twenties the market saturation was of automobiles, washing machines and radios; in the aughts it was of advanced consumer electronics. In each case the consensus morons couldn't understand why people wouldn't want to keep buying stuff without prompting when they've already acquired more luxuries than they can readily make use of or store at home.

What we really need isn't a way to jump-start an already overheated consumer economy that doesn't want to be goosed. What we need instead is a social or political consensus of some kind that economic vagaries will not be allowed to result in needless dislocations, e.g. residents being evicted from houses that no one else is interested in occupying. We need a consensus that when a scam backfires, as our real estate scam has recently done, shysters can't keep playing it on victims who have suddenly become financially impoverished and desperate.

As a canuck i was down in Iowa last weekend. The quad cities have plenty of still functioning 19th
century infrastructure but the city centres?
couldn't even find a coffee shop open in downtown Davenport, almost devoid of human activity.
Driving back past the corn for fuel refineries,the interstate public works program was choking traffic and then the final commentary on the American Empire.Beggars lining the streets that take traffic out of Detroit and out onto the bridge from the USA

"A debt rating warning ... will be brushed aside, and for some good reasons" - JHK.

That's intriguing. And mystifying. I'd like to hear what those good reasons might be. Is it because Ben Bernanke can and will print as much money as needed to keep the debt pyramid scheme going ?

JHK's correct: it's going down slowly, and the public just cannot admit it.

Going to work today was most instructive in why. I got ready to leave, after doing a little more on a barter- carpentry job with some neighbors. They cannot sharpen a saw and don't really know what one is.

As I finished up and got on my bike, their fat neighbor, in such poor health all around that she often parks on the grass right by the door, roared off in her SUV. She was smoking a cigarette and on the phone.

My bike ride to work revealed more details of why we are so screwed. The slapdash job to "fix" the roads here with stimulus money is already falling apart; the local government used a cheapo "cold seal" process that lasts, tops, 5 years. Potholes are coming back with a vengeance.

As I rode along, stroller mommies were out, some on the phone or texting, while walking the dog AND pushing around junior. It's the most bizarre thing since those "one-man band" acts that used to be on TV variety shows. Some mommies have twins and TWO dogs tethered to them. I am surprised they don't have two phones going, too.

They and their paper-pusher (well, button-pusher) hubbies have no useful skills except breeding. Meanwhile, the post-rush-hour contractors were out with their vans and pickups. The black guys have Obama stickers on their vehicles; the white guys have Tea Party stickers.

They do know how to fix things, but I'd bet that not many of them will be able to do diddly on a job site once the current stops running to their DeWalt and Makita power tools.

The only good thing about the debt debate was that it focused all these people away from their self-contained world of Facebook, texting, and a hive of friends. They multitask while the world wheezes and falls apart, all to see a stupid pet video or find out a friend's status updates.

All in all, my ride was like watching a long fuse burn down to the keg of gunpowder. Glad I can sharpen a saw...for what that is worth when the shelves at Kroger's and Home Depot get empty.

Well, James, waddya know. They made a compromise of debt limit.

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No, there has been no compromise. There is no deal. The party leaders suggested a tentative plan. That is not a deal.

Default happens tomorrow morning, unless legislation is written today and both houses of congress pass it and the president signs it.

That is not going to happen.

Default is on schedule for tomorrow, Aug. 2.

Helicopter Ben has been sighted over the US Treasury dropping pallet loads of money.

http://investletters.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/helicopter-ben-bernanke.jpg

I am glad that you mentioned indusrty. I think it is very important (or maybe not?) that people understand the diffreance between industry and technology. Industry being for the profiting off technologys (or inovations) creations.

Thanks

Travis

Just in case any one dosn't know;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industry

Without bringing manufacturing back and drastically changing the way people move and grow food in here is not possible to solve these problems.
Globalization was the most wasteful and stupid project ever conjured.

I know this is going to sound really far our, but I believe Television is to blame for this whole mess. Bear with me on this.

People imitate what they see on tv. Archie Bunker was the start of mean tv and it continued right through to married with children toEverybody loves Raymond, who no one loved.Shows about nasty families.

Now we have Reality Tv shows where the producers promote nasty mean people to boost ratings as they sell their pride and diginaty for money and prizes.

Isn't that we have done as Americans we sold out for the trash and trinkets we have seen on TV, mortgaged our future for houses and cars that us baby boomers rejected back in the day as phony status symbols.

It's like pissing in the wind because TV is only getting more intrusive, Video phone technolgy has been around for a couple of decades but it only started to be accepted by the masses because we see people on TV using it with their Iphones.

TV calls the tune and we dance all night long.

What do you expect when the Financial sector has become nothing but Ponzi schemes and Three-Card Monti distractions.

In Reality, The Powers know that the Ponzi's have run out of new Rubes & cash flows, and the Monti distractions can't go on too much longer.

I think that they are just trying to keep things going BAU for as long as they can because they really have no idea how to fix it, at least without the Wealthy having to make a little sacrifice of some kind, which they refuse to do.

So at some point the whole Financial sector is going to collapse. Then, well, can you say Dictatorship? I thought you could, now just keep repeating it so you get used to the word.
Now, that make you feel all better?

Dee Jones

No use crying over spilled hydro-carbons. There was never much chance for man's lack of integrity and immaturity to be tempered by mathemetically based realities.

First you have to go round and fuck up unitl nine-billion deep - rinse out the garbage and hope the second cycle has enough men with scruples and ingenutiy to make life on Earth work.

Clearly if history is written and mankind endures another century these times will be known as the "too big too succeed" era.

Ohcomeoneverythingsgoingtobefine...

Here's a thought-experiment: we vigorously encourage Rick Perry and his ilk to pursue their petulant fantasy-rebellion and let the South re-secede, maybe even giving them a good kick in the ass on their way out the door. We thereby jettison the majority of the Jeebus-besotted, knuckle-dragging Republicans who make any sort of intelligent governance impossible.

The remaining three dozen or so states of the new Enlightened States of America are thus liberated actually to address the issues that bedevil us in some coherent way.

Perhaps all the overweening factors that spell the end of Life As We Knew It would nevertheless defy our attempts to intelligently adapt, but at least we would have the satisfaction of knowing we tried, without carrying the albatross of the Tribunes of the Idiocracy, blocking our every attempt to move forward while bellowing through their tabacky-lined precancerous maws about libruls shoving job-killing tax increases down the throats of the Job Creators.


Funny how our host never mentions the
federal reserve.

Suggest folks familiarize them self with the contents of this video as a means of grounding their knowledge.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2550156453790090544#

"Money as Debt"

James Kunstler wrote: "All the stuff we erected to live our lives in - the stupendous armature of highways, strip malls, suburban houses, skyscraper condos, sewer systems, electric grids - is beyond our power to repair now. We can only patch it, and that can only work for so long before things go dark."

I live in an inner-ring suburb built in the 1920s, outside of a once-busy industrial city in the Rust Belt. We lost electricity for about three days last week when the temps were in the high 90s and low 100s (the "misery index" was even higher due to high humidity).

Man, it wasn't pretty.

Also, wires keep catching fire in the city. The general consensus is that for decades the local grid has been patched with spit 'n shoeshine, (in this latest incident, they had to bring in cannibalized parts from another part of the state) and there's a demand for the utility to replace transformers and lines, not just do a quick fix.

I don't see it happening. We're stuck with what we have. A friend in Costa Rica, when he heard about it, said it sounded like Central America.

Man's belief in technology is akin to a religious faith.
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Taken to the extreme....yes. But, the simple truth is, so far we have been able to adapt, and if we can somehow keep from killing ourselves off for one stupid idea or another, "we" as a species, might actually make it. I suspect there might be one "die off" or two along the way, to give us time to evolve, but that's just speculation.

What is indisputable however, is that man's belief in armageddon IS a religious faith, or to be more precise, stems from religious faith. When will people wake up to that?

the debt problem will solve itself....all the bs RMBS's will resolve themselves...all the bs games will resolve themselves eventually. we wont have to do anything....all the crap will find its rightful level....!

we have plenty of resources. we are just spending all our time and money on derivatives instead of modern power development.

we wont survive this because the underlying integrity of the working person has been blown away.....

'Beeves' is the plural of 'beef.' It means cattle ready for slaughter or the carcasses before they have been carved into the various cuts of meat.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_a_beeves#ixzz1Tn8pD6qj

Meanwhile, the post-rush-hour contractors were out with their vans and pickups.
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I donno where you live Joe, but around here most of the pickup trucks are parked in the contractors driveway.

It seems there is not even the political will to "patch" the infrastructure. Where is the jobs program in the face of ongoing 9.2% unemployment, and when including the under and non reporting unemployed probably closer to 20%.

The remaining three dozen or so states of the new Enlightened States of America are thus liberated actually to address the issues that bedevil us in some coherent way.
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I'm still regretting that we won the revolution.

Paging Dr. TrollControl, Dr. TrollControl ... we have a situation in the Locked Ward

We haven't been here since the days before the Civil War, but here we are.

The Republican Right is a scary collection of malcontents, fascists and Nazi like players with grievances and hurts that stretch back to the beginning of this republic (although few of them can articulate a coherent description of their perceived wrongs). They will regain power in 2012 and as the saying goes. LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE!

To face this collection of idiots we have the Democrats. What a sad, pathetic group of folks-elected leaders and those who vote for them (me included). This group does not have the courage of their convictions (doesn't include me). The Republicans are strong only because the Democrats are weak.

I agree with Jim's analysis. I'll put dates on it. We'll stumble into the 2012 election cycle with the nation collapsing into Depression. The Republicans will nominate and win a close race with some bland character. It will be the 2000 election all over again.

But the bland character will turn out to be another Bush. To make up for failures at home, the rabid Right will strike out against "enemies" abroad, trying to act like it still is a super power.

But unlike 2000, the world is different. Unlike Democrats, the rest of the world is no longer going to sit by while we treat them like shit. As we crumble internally, old and new foreign powers are going to push back at the American Clusterfuck. Look for a group we can't imagine today: China & Russia, Russia & Europe, China, Russia & Europe. Nuclear strike, but different than you think. Take out the Saudi oil fields or Mexico's oil and the US of A is flat on its ass.

The path we're on almost guarantees a bad result.

back to the bar for a forth martini
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fourth

BTW I see Ford has given back all of this morning's 60 cent advance. It's maddening isn't it?

"..Not in your wildest fucking dreams will Americans sit still for a foreign straw man."

What are you talking about?

You know,the more I think about it, there really isn't much choice in the outcome of whats happening now: Either the US will become a dictatorship, or it will be allowed to fall apart into North, South, East & West. Either way, all debts to 'Dem Ferners' will be forgotten, and our troops will probably be brought back to clamp down at home.

PRD, the main difference between the US and Costa Rica is that the utility here (ICE) is a monopoly, and they HAVE to fix the power lines.

I recall back when Piggy (PG&E)in Cal was deregulated, and in the quest to increase corp profits, and also exec bonuses, little things like trimming tree limbs near power lines was kinda slacked off on, or contracted out to private companies who didn't to it at all, just pocketed the fees.
The result was several huge wildfires.

This is the way the whole country is heading.

Nice to be in an already 3-W country. A Democracy too.

Dee

"But I pretty much feel the same about your silly predictions as well."

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Only Jesus Saves.

Get right with God, dale, and you will have nothing to worry about when the cluster hits the fuck.

"They do know how to fix things, but I'd bet that not many of them will be able to do diddly on a job site once the current stops running to their DeWalt and Makita power tools. "

I had a thought a while ago that a major cause of the housing/financial bubble disaster was the PNEUMATIC NAIL GUN, which allowed for the rapid overproduction of ticky-tacky houses, which, in turn needed to be sold to some kind of market (Dubya's "Ownership Society"), which was itself manufactured by the mortgage "industry," which is where the no-skill huckster's went. Wither now is the question?

Not so far out, teddyboy. In 1977, a man named Jerry Mander (love that name) wrote a book entitled "Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television". He was right. When I was a kid people didn't have TVs so we'd hang out on our porches and visit back and forth with the neighbours in the evenings. Then one neighbour got a TV and we'd all go over there and watch it when a good program was on. Then pretty much every household got a TV so people stayed in their own livingrooms and watched it, no more neighbourly visiting in the evenings, but at least the family would hang out together. Now TV watching, on whatever kind of device it is watched on, has become an individual activity, everybody has their own screen. I think we'd live in a different world today if we hadn't had television and its in-your-face advertising of products we don't need. I don't have a TV but when I do see one, the worst ads seem to be the ones for vehicles (tearing up pristine landscapes) and fast foods (which they claim are healthy). Yesterday I was in a store and saw a TV ad for plastic devices to make hard-boiled eggs. I'll bet people will actually go out and buy them. Then they'll use them maybe once and eventually they'll end up in a landfill somewhere.

Good idea! I's support funding for building a Great Wall, also.

LOL, TMB!

Furthering your demographic experiment, we must ask this:
Will the consumer-units of the Benighted States of Jeebusland be allowed to immigrate to any of the FUSA regions, or must the fences and guard-towers be erected? ;o)

Ha! Made ya look!
My interpretation was strictly lit.-contextual; sorry, I wasn't as meat-specific. ;o)

Why is it that Americans seem so addicted to heart clutching, swooning drama like what we've just seen over the default crisis? Is it really necessary to drag things out to the bitter end, waiting weeks to come to an agreement that was outlined in the beginning? And, as one poster pointed out, it isn't really over even now. Is it some kind of bizarre death wish or is it just the way things get done?

It really is just pointless drama. As JHK tells us, there's no way the economy can be saved the way it's structured now, and the old white men running things really don't care, they're doing just fine. To hell with the rest of us, the oblivious and too-willing grist for the mill.

Reminds me of the disgusting tv show from the fifties called "Queen for a Day" where poor folks would come on and sob their way through their sad story in hopes of winning a washing machine. The one with the saddest story wins. Perhaps that's how the new economy will work too.

Funny that few seem to notice how the fake drama occupies us so fully that there's no time to worry about the real business of government. That never gets done anymore but nobody has appeared to be aware of that. And another bridge crumbles somewhere, and another, and the power keeps going out for longer and longer periods of time.

We are all well and truly fucked.

Well I hang out with farmers and I've heard the word "beeves", so I looked on the 'net to see if it was just local slang, but it's not.

One, hes a business man not a 'pundit' [wiseman]
Two India has gone from farms to cutting edge tech
[well for a few, with a billion+ left behind].

Three, he seemed rational, so what?

NJ just got its first Muslim Judge, so the Infiltration, woops I meant Integration continues.

Qtip, what do you think? do you ant to be in court with a muslim judge?

Why is it that Americans seem so addicted to heart clutching, swooning drama like what we've just seen over the default crisis

In one of my entries last week, I may have an answer.

“America is quite clear about its screwed up priorities­. My experience has convinced me that the surest way to get Americans to act is to mess with their entertainm­ent...In other words, someone is going to have to mess with the circuses of "bread and circuses" to arouse Americans."

Unfortunately, Americans usually act to either get their entertainment back or, if they can't, get revenge on those who took it away. The former is why the NFL lockout was settled before the Debt Ceiling Hostage Crisis. The latter is what the people behind The Hologram fear.

I have more reactions to this past week's news, including Why Tea Partiers hate high-speed rail, how we could have gone to the Moon several times over for the price of Afghanistan, and Debt Ceiling Cat is watching you negotiate, along with more local and national sustainability stories at Crazy Eddie's Motie News.

http://crazyeddiethemotie.blogspot.com/

Pertaining to resource depletion it is a hard and cold fact that of all the iron ore ports on the Great Lakes only the port of Marquette on the north shore of the upper peninsula of Michigan still loads the bulk freighters with red ore as compared to taconite pellets. What does this tell you? Incidentally, this is not an opinion.

An opinion would be the idiotic observation made by a barbershop customer with an "army retired" license plate who claimed that capitalism works because South Korea is a richer country than North Korea so nothing else need be considered.

The human mind cannot "grok" such magnitudes. Here's one analogy in terms of time: if someone owes you and says they will pay you back in a million seconds, that's 12 days. No big deal. But if they then say, Oh I mispoke, I meant a billion seconds, that's a whole nother thing - it comes out to 32 years. Imagine that, just one letter difference makes all that difference! I mean, the words even rhythme.

And a trillion? 32,000 years. In other words, we will never pay off our debt, but that wont stop them from trying to make us. But, but, but - wont that makes us serfs or slaves? Exactly.

Guys in the Game call it the Wiley Coyote Moment: a once very attractive woman suddenly realizes that she basically no longer is anything special and she's going down fast - like Wiley as he pauses in thin air before plummeting.

This is where we "stand" - on nothing.

Asoka stage right enters and says that the bottom is a good place to be - everything is up from now on. Emptiness is the root of creativity!

Qtip, what do you think? do you ant to be in court with a muslim judge?
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ant?

Interesting you should ask this question. I have Jury Duty tomorrow in New Brunswick, NJ. In what city/town is this Muslim judge located?

Heh moron, what does a person's religion have to do with his/her ability to serve in a courtroom in any function? It's abvious that you are a bigot and a racist (albeit a young one of about 14 or 15).

Heh, did you ever get your local cops to arrest any minority kids when somebody stole your skateboard/bike last week? I will bet my next paycheck that some innocent black or Hispanic kids had to cool their heels in Juve after you got finished pointing them out to the fuzz. Your pointed index finger probably went in the direction of the first minority kids you saw.

Why don't you just change your screen name to 'Hitler Jugend' and join one of those right wing youth groups that advertise on the Internet?

Now that the debt crises has been solved we can move on to the next crises. It is interesting to watch the wanderings from one crises to the next. At least this one got us away from the presidential race for a month or so.

And BTW, why isn't the stock market rallying on this news? I want a rally, a great big bubbling rally. No one likes to watch a balloon deflate.

Aimlow Joe was here
http://www.aimlow.com

The wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald. Soon canoes will ply the Lakes as of old, selling beaver pelts to the many colored tribes along a thousand mile swath. Get your wampum shells now - gold. And from gold forge steel. A little bit of lead for the alchemist never hurts. As Mr Colt said, I will equalize.

A Test: say you killed an intruder into your home: would you rather have killed a White Man and face an all White judge and jury or have killed a Black Man and face an all Black judge and jury? Assuming you're a White of course. Big assumption! No other race hates their own like this.

A Must See. Especially for those like me who are visual learners, and who don't understand money, banks etc. even tho I know I should, cuz I am over my head in debt, thanks to the husband.
Who thinks like ripps wife that 'everything' is fine and I am So Negative !

I will watch this thruout the day.
Thanks for posting.

Can I sharpen a saw blade ?
No but I betcha Tripp can !

2 thumbs up on the post JHK.

We so screwed. I am scared actually.

Ask your Ant Bee how to conjugate this verb.

One of my cousins is named Tommy Aspo or was it Aspel?

I don't think I've 'got' it yet.

Seriously tho, It scares me and I myself don't know what 'we'll' do. Probably groups of good folks 'helping' eachother and gangsters getting to be more of a destructive problem.

I don't know. It worries me. I see it and feel it coming down, it's here.

They are Ruling by Fear. So whoever caused 9/11, gave 'them' the opportunity to do so. And they jumped all over it.

Oh Vlad, I beg to differ. We will attempt (and perhaps succeed) to pay off our debts via inflation. The printing presses will be running day and night for the next decade or two until they finally blow up our entire economy. But, our debt might be down to zero.

There has been some speculation that the Chinese would actually be allowed to set up 'slave factories' in the U.S. whereby they would demand we work and pay off our debts to them in some type of 19th Century sweatshop manner. That simply won't happen because we have too many right wing Christian Evangelicals and assorted Southern goobers who are very well armed and would be more than willing to start a new civil war in our nation over such an offense.

"everybody in China is living in the equivalent of the 12th century"

Um, no. They've built whole cities, highway systems, and train lines from scratch in the last 10 years. And they've had like 10% GDP growth. What rock are you living under?

My sister wanted to check out the site I am always talking about. So I told her clusterfuck nation. I didn't tell her kunstler.com. just figured she would google and find it. She found something else.

So she put in clusterfuck.com

DON'T DO IT. You can imagine what came up.

Pretty funny. I don't go to those sites.
That's a guy thing I suppose.

I think my reply to this is that I have served on various mixed ethnic juries and I saw no prejudice on the part of any of these people except in the case of one white woman who believed that we should throw out a lawsuit brought by an elderly black man before the case even started.

I agree, one of the best.
What to do now ?

Somehow Stay positive and hopeful, helpful, and out of angry peoples' ways, especially on the road.

I live in a very congested area, wish I lived in a smaller community, but I am where I am. Will make the best of it.

Turkle, please be mindful of your biting tongue. If you carefully re-read JHK's article, you should recognize that his reference to the "equivalent of the 12th century" relates to China in the 1930's, not the China of the 21st century.

Good music. Always like Robert Cray.
I remember 'smokin' gun'. Just came to my mind.

Song of the Week or the day. My Last Regret by Robert Cray.
classy. I need to go out and have me some fun.
There is a blues place in town, and another place, that get big names.

Thanks for posting.

Probably the second tuesday of next week !

Never !

but can you bake a cherry pie?

Me cracking up !

'situation in the locked ward!'

Fabe: Your overwhelming male musk has me so weak in my pretty knees that I could not help but slosh some of my 'tini on my nylons.

I'll bet you have a very big gun in that great big truck of yours, you hunky Caveman! Can I get one more all-caps Libtard insult from you to help me to a happy ending here?

Blacks are famous for acquitting other Blacks - despite overwhelming evidence. You must be living on some other planet. Perhaps your own mind? Ideologies like Marxism are nothing but psychic virus that make the infected incapable of seeing reality.

Hope you're right. If so, you will be in their debt.

There is a deal in the works it give China fifty square miles of Idaho. Maybe Dale can give us the details.

"I donno where you live Joe, but around here most of the pickup trucks are parked in the contractors driveway."

They are not building here, but they are fixing things for folks who still have money or credit. And stuff needs fixing, all the time.

As for nail guns--God bless 'em. But I'm handy with a framing hammer too. I just wish I could learn to use a miter-box like grandpa. In time.

Actually, my grammar is horrid. Grandpa was a human, not a miter-box. But he could use a miter-box. And I am not, reports to the contrary, my own grandpa. Yet.

Johnny Rivers sang SWEET SMILING CHILDREN it's on youtube. Beautiful song, beautiful guy.

You tell all the sweet smiling children 'bout your fine hair sprays and combs, lipstick perfumes fine cars and homes, so that when they find that love it will be true, but it already is, you just don't know it.

And a TV is droning in the background.
the last line is 'now turn off your television and go to sleep', coming from the tv, not him singing.

JRivers was ahead of the times. and He lives close to me, wish I could meet him. One of my all time faves.

a friend of mine says "first they take it away and then they sell it back." So true.

I'll take a porch (with or without a house at this point) over a TV anytime.

I also saw the plastic thing for eggs. Thought the same thing as you did.

I agree. And it is already done.

What an evocative, and appropriate simile! There is nothing permanent to stand on and probably nothing to grab onto as you fall. The most entertaining scenario at this time is to watch Obama trying to act as if he had a clue what was happening or that he's still relevant. His expressions have ranged from his patented "Arrogant Snit" face to that of the poor, broken-down ("I just can't get any sleep") beaten field hand. Whichever he thinks will appeal most to his gullible base. The other party is just as pathetic and everyone in "power" is claiming "I, I, I" did it or it's because of "me, me, me". This will come back to haunt them.

Both my husband and I can sharpen a blade, but we also have a swedge block. You might look into one of those and think of the myriad ways it will improve a rather Spartan life.

Why bother with such a moron?
I dont have any info on China/Idaho but I know Soros
and The Reds are buying up Africa.

Have you seen 'WipeOut' and Lockdown [or whatever prisun reality shows there are??
Q4AD was dignified compared to that.
What about 'WifeSwap' and 'Makeover'?

[My info on TV is from going to the gym, where
folks are captive to it].

"What we really need isn't a way to jump-start an already overheated consumer economy...."

Amen! Finally!

If there is no energy power to run the printing presses, then what do we do.

hmmmmm.....

It's almost time to stop thinking for the day.
My brain is getting tired.

Have been reading Jim's weekely vignettes now for several years, but i havent spent as much time on the commentary section. There is however, some very good and diverse viewpoints. It seems that today's provocative piece by JHK has elicited some consensus though - the money seems to only being going to the uber capitalist level, and the so-claimed aqueous trickle-down is far more intermitent but noisier - is that early SHTF?

Would the incumbent President have enough support to assume he will remain unchallenged for the candidacy? Reports suggest there is large sections of the Democratic caucus who feel too much was, again, conceded to the flakey crop of 2010 congressional Republicans.

O YES!! The wonder, Reduced to importing [100 billion?] Chopsticks a year because they have no trees.
NPR did a 'human interest story' on US EXPORTS TO CHINA, CAROLINA CHOPSTICKS.
yuk.

Is that a trick question ?
I am afraid to answer.

Of course I can. But I prefer to make lemon squares or tart like things.

I can make crust from scratch.

Why do you ask ?

Mine's probably worse. Don't mean we aren't
smart.

Does anyone think the spending cuts (if passed) will be sufficient to cover the additional debt to be created by raising the limit? Who are we kidding? We are, in fact, a bankrupt nation, utterly unable to meet our debt obligations when they become due.

I remember the shock and dismay we all felt when the national debt first exceeded ONE trillion. Whatever is accomplished by this charade, it won't be "saving" the economy, which is way beyond help.

A technological singularity (the term should be credited to the SF writer Vernor Vinge, not the proselytizer Ray Kurzweil) doesn't have to look like the stereotypical Rapture of the Geeks to be real. The sine qua non of a singularity is that it is a change in the way things work that makes predictions about future developments, based on prior expectations, meaningless. The shift from hunting and gathering to agriculture (and the consequent accumulation of surpluses and division of labour) was the original singularity -- no hunter-gatherer could have foreseen the long-term consequences. A biotech revolution could be another, transforming life unrecognizably *without* requiring an asymptotic energy budget. We may be in for hard times and a consequent adjustment of expectations, but I wouldn't count technological change (the kind that moves forward and not backward) out of the game just yet.

No, spending cuts alone will not matter. Only if it includes elimination of the Bush tax cuts to Billionairs, and in fact an increase in the tax rates on multi-millionairs and corporations.

But that won't happen as long as the 'Pubs & TP's have the votes. Nope, the budget will be balanced on the backs of whats left of the Middle-class and the poor. But not the Rich, don't even think of asking them to make a contribution or sacrifice.

The US is heading towards a Banana Republican dictatorship pretty fast. 2012 anybody?

Dee

Another flash mob attack in Philly. Two Whites severely beaten by Black "Youfs". Media pretends that it's all "random" and become infuriated when asked about the race of the perps and victims. "What does it matter" they exclaim? Well it matters if you're White and walking around Philly.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2011/07/31/in-light-of-flash-mob-attacks-police-add-more-patrols-across-center-city/#comment-101261

i always want to be on the winning# side so which god should i get right with....?

Watch "Seven Samuri" or it's imitations, such as the Magnificent Seven." Peaceful villagers "growing their own" pillaged and held in fear by marauding gangs. Civilians suffer. Pick a side.

Would I trick you Jackie?! You can bake! That may be your ticket to survival. A good pie is a joy forever - or until it's gone and time for the next one. In Heaven, the pies will reconstitue themselves right out of our stomachs - just like the heroes of Valhalla can.

I don't even know what a swedge is but I like the sound of it. I'll probably hear the word again soon and that will be my cue to go out and buy one. That's usually how it works.

Certain words are very evocative. The highest paradise of Islam is called Ridwan. That sounds right. Another good one: Svalbard - it means the cold edge in Norse. It is the large Island in the Arctic where they have built a gigantic seed vault. The Elite know that destruction is coming. Glad someone is thinking ahead even if it has to be them.

Also don't forget about wheelbarrows - one of the Foundation inventions of our civilization.

Wallstreet is laughing their heads off while the rest of the country is tied up in this very stupid issue of our own making as they take our money and jobs to other countries. That’s the real issue. Meanwhile there are those that whine about the distraction of the size of government as the slight of hands goes on. Just like any magician knows that you distract your audience while robbing them blind.

Heh Vlad, do you have any stats behind that "blacks acquit other blacks" statement? I was on a jury with a black defendant and we had a handful of blacks in our jury and we sent the guy to prison. I can only speak from personal experience. However, my mother once showed me a tree in her Mississippi home town of Jacinto where they used to lynch black males. I guess she was just speaking from her experience too.

The debts will never be paid. Pension gone. Medicare gone. Social security gone. And then the carry on. Living standard 1940.

And of course all public assets sold off at pennies on the dollars just as was done in Argentina in 2001.

JHK: Thank you another informative article! But I agree with the above poster who stated yes we all understand that we are doomed( on this site anyway), so if you could begin a series of articles on what we can do to survive as an individual, neighborhood, town,county. I would appreciate a couple of items each week on evidenced based real world problems and how to deal with them. EXCELLENT peak oil, everything movie, check out BLIND SPOT on netflix instant.
Thank you JHK and all for you posts, and to the one named Vlad, I thought of you the other day when a fellow, fat, blad, blue collar white guy who is a health care worker was complaining how the "minority" nurses were giving him a hard time.

Uh, why the comments about Marxism? Do you think I'm a Marxist? Whatever gave you that idea? I took a whole bunch of Marxist history at U.C.L.A. I can guarantee you that I'm no Marxist. Why did you change your name from Jaego which you used in the past when posting on this blog? I kind of liked that name over Vlad which makes me think of Dracula.

I disagree that the debt has been solved, or even kicked down the road apiece. The crap is very likely to hit the fan this time.

The "agreement" raises the debt ceiling $2.4T, which they estimate will last 1.5 yr while supposedly cutting spending by .12T per yr. So, if passed, the "agreement" grows the problem about 15% and we get a similiar kabuki show in about 18 months.

The kicker is it is unlikely to pass quickly. Mercury goes retrograde tomorrow, which is usually indicative of delays and disagreements, not expedited agreements. Furthermore the remaining signs (astrological and political) are more inline with a coming apart over the next three weeks or so rather than cooperation.

My gut says it is time to be out of the markets (all of them), to turn paper assets into productive assets (garden tools, fences, compost, solar panels, etc) where possible, and upstock supply levels of necessities. Bankers might be taking a holiday soon, or not; but an even bet now, so some paper cash might be a good idea where safe.

Leroy, get away from that wheelbarrow ... you know you don't know nuthin 'bout machinery. -- a joke punchline in the pre-PC era.

Maybe they will let us revert to the use of the abacus and we can trade in sea shells. LOL

Let the Dominoes fall!

WHITE AMERIKA SHAME ON YOU

Wallstreet is laughing their heads off
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Why shouldn't they? They have their population of greedy callous moron degenerates where they want them. $1.5 trillion dollars a year, every year, spent on the war machine, while the country is ground down to absolute poverty, moral, cultural and physical.

I say them 300 million of greedy callous moron degenerates got exactly what they deserve.

We all need to do the math.We've let the Repubs and Dems spend too much and it can't be paid back.To paraphrase Bruce Springsteen we've got debts no honest man can pay.It'll be an outright default or by way of inflation. Only question is how long they can kick the can down the road.In a democracy we get what we deserve.

Why is the MEDIA afraid to disclose the race of the “FLASH MOBS”?

The victims were all white. The guilty were all black. Call them what they are “BLACK MOBS” A race war has been declared in the streets of Phily!

[from yr link, I claim no experience]

Roger, TMB.

I read that when the Newt was at his clownish apogee his district was the largest beneficiary of federal largess.

It would be lovely for the BeKKKnighted States of Amrika to wake up one morning without one morning without the net inflow of federal dollars they've been benefitting from since at least FDR.

Welfare Queens all the south and west. Look it up.

It’s simply a case of back to the future - Clusterf#ckers!!

What’s happening today to the Anglo/Imperial conglomerate, is not so different to what happened in the fading stages of the declining Roman Empire.

You know... societal collapse due to the disintegration of the political, economic, military and other complex institutions of the Empire, that and it being overrun by barbarian invaders...

And don’t-cha just lurve those social hierarchy terms of aristocrats, plebeians and slaves, where are you in that pecking order?

*sniggers*

Rome was only powerful while it expanded, and only while the stolen wealth of the conquered peoples was channeled into its core.

But when Hadrian decided to fix the boundaries of the Empire, its chances to plunder wealth from the outside ceased. This game play change meant that materials it consumed from outside its clutches had to be paid for with minted cash, rather than taken by brute Roman force.

And achieving stability on its borders was done by buying favours from neighbouring tribes, so by default taxes had to increase - BIG TIME!! Inflation became rampant and the currency was increasingly debased...

(Any of this sounding vaguely familiar?)

Gradually... the Empire ran out of money, and as Rome – the epicentre lost its grip on power - so for a while some of the other provincial cities became stronger, depending on what they held in reserve assets and cash. Then when control at the centre totally failed, chaos ruled the day, and the whole creaking infrastructure came down...

(Yep... that SHTF moment)

All the empires cities then withered and died as they could no longer trade for any of the raw materials they required. And the countryside then ceased to supply the food that those once powerful cities depended on...

The rest is history...

This process did not happen simultaneously across the Empire, as in some places roman culture continued on for many decades after Rome fell.

(But here’s the interesting part)

What happened to the population of Rome when it finally collapsed? What is certain is that at its peak, the population was over 1m people, a huge mass of which were made up of the slaves of course.

However, after the collapse with wars, famine, disease and emigration the population of Rome was reduced to a pathetic few thousand as low as 30,000 at one stage; a far cry from its height of power just a few hundred years earlier.

The implications of which, shouldn’t be lost to a 21st century world...

Nite y’all!

Asia sez:

I dont have any info on China/Idaho but I know Soros and The Reds are buying up Africa.

Heh dimwit, where did you get that info, from the weekly youth meetings at your local John Birch Society?

One of the first things that mommy and daddy should have taught you is that if you are going to make an extraordinary claim, then back it up with extraordinary evidence and I don't mean from 'Teen' magazine.

These are Asia's thought processes:

Soros is a Communist.
Soros is in league with the worldwide Reds.
Some land was recently sold in Africa.
Therefore, Soros and the Reds are buying up Africa.

P.S. Did your local cops finally find your "jacked" skateboard/bike and return it to you? If so, then you should have mommy bake some cookies and you can skate them over to your local police station.

chris: "the final commentary on the American Empire.Beggars lining the streets that take traffic out of Detroit and out onto the bridge from the USA"

To get back to Canada from Detroit, you take either the tunnel (downtown) or the bridge. The Ambassador Bridge has to be reached by a convoluted route because its owner Matty Moroun, the same billionaire slumlord who owns the infamous Michigan Central Station property, forces traffic to go through his duty-free store -- he has extorted various concessions there from the Michigan legislature. From surface streets you have to take the West Grand overpass across I-75. It's rare nowadays that I don't pass someone begging for change or food at that corner. If you stop at the light they'll be right at your window.

Ron Paul spot on as usual:

"No plan under serious consideration cuts spending in the way you and I think about it. Instead, the "cuts" being discussed are illusory, and are not cuts from current amounts being spent, but cuts in projected spending increases. This is akin to a family "saving" $100,000 in expenses by deciding not to buy a Lamborghini, and instead getting a fully loaded Mercedes, when really their budget dictates that they need to stick with their perfectly serviceable Honda. "

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/ron-paul-exposes-deficit-plan-lies-cuts-are-illusory-not-current-amounts-spent-projected-spendi


Graffiti spotted on 101:

"Their trillion dollar bailouts,
their profits, their tax breaks,
their second home,their private jet

YOUR debt to pay with your sacrifice..."

It's sad to see that some of the least eloquent commenters on this blog continually resorting to the lowest form of potty-mouthed abuse whenever they are cornered with a argumentatively challenging situation.

Whilst a proponent of Queen's English (being a native Brit) it never fails to amaze me how the most cerebrally challenged amongst us can repeatedly arrive with new constructs and additions to the standard English written language.

It has been a true education to me to see that one who associates with a society which promotes democratic socialism, not through revolution, but by reformist means has stooped to the depths of profanity and linguistic corruption in a vain attempt to add emphasis to their pathetic argumentative status.

Pray tell, what precisely is a FUCKTARD? (Notice the discrete use of capital letters to emphasize this point - for the hard of understanding). Is it some lame brained construct of fucking retard. Is that a retard who fucks, or neither a fucker nor a retard, but when combined into a verbal construct defines one that is undoubtedly a stupid piece of shit.

And equally noticeable is the continued use of MORON - again notice the emphasis in captitalization, thought necessary by the contributor who is clearly unaware of the richness and subtlety of the English language. Is our colleague describing a disused term for a person with a mental age between 8 and 12, and a common insult for a person considered stupid - or is two syllables and five letters about the limit of his linguistic resources?

I put it to you all, is our co-contributor genuinely linguistically challenged or merely an online Tourette's Syndrome victim, engaged in one desperate plea to have his point of view and status recognized?

Marxist? No, you are a TROLL.
When I think Dracula I think of you.

Why did you change your name from Jaego which you used in the past when posting on this blog? I kind of liked that name over Vlad which makes me think of Dracula.
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Little vlad probably changed his name because he got banned for being a racist scumbag who was embarressing JHK for being on his blog. But I think JHK just gave up trying to get rid of the guy. You have to feel sorry for the poor little bastard.

As for why he thinks you are a Marxist? He just likes to throw around terms like that to suggest he is something other than a frightened loser. He often poses as an authority on things he knows little of nothing about, part of his efforts to improve his tormented self image.

Nice post Alexandra. Someone recently stated that America is Rome on steroids. However, the Romans never had a Wall Street and credit default swaps. If they had, perhaps they would have just fallen on their swords and never bothered to fight back against the Germanic tribes.

Losers

You, your queen's english, and your german queen, should be hang from a light post, upside down, with the ravens eating at your eyes.

And notice the discrete use of none-caps, you shnout.

Okay, do I have a choice to pick a side ?
I hope so.
okay will google what you recommended, and maybe learn something.

thanks.
I'm thinking you're thinking the gang side.
Gotta get me some homeboys, and girls.

Well will have to look into that.

More Buddhist tough luv from the Wu Li Master of Crap. Dale: you've got to get a realistic self image or else your meditation is in vain. Forget about it for now. Meditate on Freud's, "Where id (it) is, there I (ego) shall be". But you've got to see the Truth about your own nastiness first. Your Id is in control - supported by your Super Ego. There is actually very little "you" there at all. You can only begin to fight this once you've seen it.

Correction: more than 20 of the current 41 Senators

Corrected correction: more than 20 of the current 41 REPUBLICAN Senators.

Damned 'tinis are making my fingers get all mushy

"The Ambassador Bridge has to be reached by a convoluted route because its owner Matty Moroun, the same billionaire slumlord who owns the infamous Michigan Central Station property, forces traffic to go through his duty-free store -- he has extorted various concessions there from the Michigan legislature." -Elrond

And, there ya go.
"Regular Folks" can no longer afford to support leeches and cream-skimmers like Matty the Moron. "Invest" in solid infrastructure... sturdy lampposts may be handy items (even without power). As for the legislators? There will come consequences worse than being voted out of office. Haven't they seen the movie? Or perhaps there's a "can't happen here/these days" hubris goin' on... until it does. Oopsie-doodle!

Thanks Dale, I thought this was the same person from long ago and I was right about that. Some people are very quick to label other folks. I read an article today from a scientist who tried to explain it in evolutionary terms. It comes down to 'us versus them' and it's easier to do if the 'them' have different colored skin or their eyes are shaped differently.

As Dorothy Parker said:

"I love a martini,
Two at the very most.
Three I'm under the table.
Four and I'm under the host."

Bet you are. Classic economic Marxism has been largely superseded by cultural Marxism. Gramsci and Adorno realized that the first could never work without the second being in place. Instead of just hating the lower and middle classes for their disinterest and rejection, they vowed to change them. And they did via Goveremnt handouts for the lower and university study for the middle.

So now we have a stealth Marxism. The big Goverment Bureacrats are often Marxists, but they keep it quiet when dealing with the public. In terms of economics, insead of socializing the means of production as in Marxism 1.0, the fruits of production are socialized via taxation and means are contolled via Federal Laws. Obviously this falls most heavily on small and medium sized business. The Corporations are in with the Bureacrats - another devlopment of Marxism 2.

Even Marxim 1 was more than meets the eye. Who financed the Revolutions? After all, peasants with mattocks don't get very far....As Orangutang told Charlton Heston, don't look too closely, you may not like what you see - though you probably would have no problem with it.

A far more interesting topic than man's apocalypse fantasies is nature's apocalyptic realities, like overshoot and die-off being a very real and common occurrence in natural ecosystems. Given mankind's current trajectory, I see this scenario being far more likely than one where we ride into the sunset and live happily ever after or even muddle along for hundreds of years without some major catastrophes putting the kibosh on our endless growth hallucination. That's the fantasy of the endless cornucopia where the earth has a creamy nugget center filled with petrol. In reality, humans will trash the place completely and then start dying en masse from their pollution, like yeast in the mash.

But this wouldn't be an apocalypse for Nature. She doesn't care. So, in reality, it won't be an apocalypse, just a bunch of dead monkeys. Those ants probably think that the "End is nigh" when you step on their dirt hole. There is nothing good or evil but thinking makes it so.

"The big Goverment Bureacrats are often Marxists, but they keep it quiet when dealing with the public."

Joe McCarthy, is that you?

Prince Vlad III of Wallachia was also known as 'Dracula' and 'Vlad the Impaler'. I have never killed or tortured anybody and I don't suck the blood from people so you must have another reason for thinking of me as a 'Dracula.' By the way, I wasn't taking a shot at Vlad (aka Jaego) by suggesting that he was some type of bloodsucker. The name 'Vlad' does make me think of the original 'Son of the Dragon'.

Would I trick you ? You had BETTER Not !

yeah I have had an idea forever. think it would fly, it ain't pies. can't tell ya cuz then i'd have to .... .. top secret.

before I ever saw espresso / coffee to go, I mentioned it to a guy here who had a coffee shop.
he shut down. I think he is the one who actually started them for real. I have great ideas.
I actually didn't want to be selling 'speed' to drivers.' they drive bad enough.

but those places made and still make tons of $$$.

but you know the RENTS are so fucking high here.
the way to go is mobile, like they have these catering trucks in cities. high end. great food.

I am talking rent here for 150 sq ft. 850 + mo.
no way. just gonna make someone else rich(er).

I could get an old ice cream truck type thing and use that. (and live out of it also wtshtf).

Pies for Guys. guys LOVE pie. not lemon squares, I know that.

The Pie Guy. Here in CA the gay Pie guy. thought you'd like that. I'm not a guy and I'm not gay, it just rhymed and came out.

I do think I will take a cooking class. Always room for learning.
I HAVE to get off this thing, the work isn't gonna do itself.

:)


Yes, they import some chopsticks and export everything that is found in your local Wal-mart, Target, K-mart, Apple store, etc.

Other places have all the wood to make chopsticks, and China has the cheap labor and factories to pump out iPods, iPads, and iCheapPlasticCrap. It makes sense to me.

Anyways, as an American, where do you get off criticizing another country for importing things, given the US's gigantic trade deficits? Do we actually make anything here anymore besides bombs and Hummers?

Both democratic and republican philosophies got us where we are today. we are going to have to combine some of both along with new ideas to make some headway. you listed some dead republican policies. As far as the dems are concerned, worshiping at the alter of diversity and endless entitlements is over also.

Heh Turkle, a word to the wise. You better be very careful criticizing this guy. He's liable to find out your home address and then cruise over to your place and beat out your Malibu lights with this wooden skateboard.

Or, he will squeal to the local cops that you tried to sell him some cigarettes and we all know how the police feel about an adult "corrupting" a minor.

Okay, Jackie,
Here's your despair antidotes, but you're only allowed to dose every other day (just for balance don'cha know). Enjoy the ethereal "wash"; headphones work nice too! :o)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9kJynER8E0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO_KA9EHJA0&feature=related

Do you know what meds you are on?

Ps. On "Golden Heart" click on the "show more" beneath; great lyric written there, but not enunciated especially well.

China, according to their own stats, has 600 million living on $1000/yr and 400 million living on $2000/yr. So what if they have a hwy and a bullet train. The main thing we have to worry about is not ever getting to 600 million people, much less a billion.

Here we are, back to Marxism again. Are you and Metuselah channeling once more? Are there Marxists, Bilderbergers, Luddites, etc. all waiting and planning and plotting right now for a second Obama term in office?

1) You said "we." How can you presume to speak for a bunch of anonymous people on a blog? Did you take a poll? Especially considering how much you get banned here, I wouldn't take your opinion as indicative of any common consensus. Or are you some kind of collective entity? (That would explain the voluminous posts throughout the day.)

2) If you don't care, why did you bother replying?

3) Nervous nellie....where'd you get that from, Leave It To Beaver reruns? You need to update your lingo.

4) "so shut it, asshole" You first Ban Boy. I think I can safety speak for everyone on this blog when I say that we are sick of your stench. (Yes, I took a poll, and you lost.)

Yes, but weren't we arguing about whether JHK's flippant remark about the Chinese living in the "12th century" was accurate? I submit that it is not. And I wasn't saying that China is some perfect utopia of the 21st century.

Of course, he is prone to speak in hyperbole, which I understand, but it kind of gets old week after week. What's the point, really?

I think we've discovered today that the way to take some of the meanness out of Big Ol' Fabe is to bat one's gin-soaked eyelashes at his throbbing, musky F350. It calms him...

Unless ... he's a she?

Fabe, you're not Ann Coulter trolling here are you honey? Have you had that Adam's apple checked for goiters?

Thanks for the great example of mental masturbation.

@third martini banter
But without the Southern boys who would fight for the oil?

Americans are among the most lightly taxed in the developed world.

http://bit.ly/rqS0Y4

Taxes in the USA have gone DOWN since 1965. We have a lower tax rate under Obama than in 1965.

http://bit.ly/rqS0Y4

A: Al-Qaeda. AKA, CIA. AKA, the same old. AKA, Dolan Williams. AKA, Dostoevsky.



A poor village under attack by bandits recruits seven unemployed samurai to help them defend themselves.

got this far so far. I want to see the movie think I can online. Or can rent it.

also want to see the youtube video about bankers, and money posted above.

So much to learn in between cleaning and cooking.

What is a martini exactly? How can a drink be dry? It must be subjective.

Whatever his faults (!), Vlad was a great warrior and patriot who inspired terror in the Muslim Imperialists who were invading his nation. He is considered a Hero in Romania to this day.

I ordered the cd from the local library.
Well I would love to be a farmer, with protection.
But I can see myself as a Samurai. Need some serious weaponry tho.

either way. to be a civilian and do nothing is what I don't want to be.

hope that makes sense, I haven't seen the movie yet, maybe it will happen in real life before the movie comes to me, someones got it now and I have to wait.

Am studying it anyway. will check the mag 7 movie now.

Yes Jackie - slices of pie as opposed to squares. The slices subliminally suggest a woman's nether regions to "hungry" men.

Sorry to be crude - but life is however we dress it up or hide it. If you want to get into business you'll have to be able to recognize these realities.

Alex Jones Does Globalism

My sister told me about these videos that really explain globalism + the politics and power behind it.

Haven't heard all the segments yet, but from what I've listened to so far I recommend it.

http://www.infowars.com/the-debt-crisis-banksters-thugs-and-crooks/

Wow, to have my name thrown in there with Dostoevsky! But, they took away my Al-Qaeda membership card last week for failing to keep up with my membership dues.

Isn't it true that the Indians, with all their high tech computer programmers, science and technology, also named their nuclear bombs after Hindu gods?

Perhaps Armageddon and The Secomd Coming via wars caused by resource depletion are simply "scientific" ways for expressing prophecy?

The know not what they do....

Don't feed the trolls- they just get bigger in their own small minds.

I say them 300 million
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those

Light post, meet Q. Q, meet light post. Youz be meeting them ropes, shortly. :D

You're right about Vlad being a great warrior and a patriot to his own people. The only problem with ole Vlad was that he kind of got carried away and impaled thousands of his own people along with the Turks he captured. It was said that he would impale nursing babies to the breasts of their already impaled mothers. And he seemed to have enjoyed impaling young peasant girls when they were believed to have lost their virginity out of wedlock. Oh Vlad old buddy old pal, where are you when a degenerate America is forsaking its Christian morality and the Evangelicals so need you?

Obama, boy, what a loser. Just reading about this debt deal, sounds like to me that Obama went out, bought the lube, then stripped down and bent over in front of Congress and let the 'Pubs line up and fuck him.
What a loser.
The average American is fucked no matter how you look at it. Do they even realize it?
Geesh....

Bet the WS Banksters are tossing down the Cristal Bubbly tonite!

Dee

Them people were not his people. Them people were German Catholic interlopers with a mission on behalf of the Vatican.

1 2/3 oz gin
1/3 oz dry vermouth
1 olive


Stir gin and vermouth with ice in a mixing glass. Strain into a cocktail glass, add the olive, and serve.


Them people were not his people. Them people were German Catholic interlopers with a mission on behalf of the Vatican.

Here we go again, another secretive mission but this time in Medieval Eastern Europe.

cornered with a argumentatively challenging situation.
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an argumentatively ...

he knows little of nothing about,
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or

TO POLICE THIS HEAR BLOG?
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it's HERE if you insist on using it in a colloquial sense ... otherwise it's superfluous.

Oh Auntie Soak, please don't beat me with that switch like you used to. I promise to never give out one of them cocktail recipes again. Vlad can make his own moonshine if he really needs a buzz that bad.

Superfulous is you baby! You tire out old honkey MF!
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The l comes immediately after the f. It's superfluous.

Also, it's tired.

The status quo won that is all. And to think JHK dumped his T-bills last week, well he and Bill Gross can have a meet up and cry in their beers. But then again JHK supported all those wars which we spend 1 trillion on per year.

Tactically I would say Obama stuffed the Republicons, strategically our hapless president has the economy about his neck, advantage Republicons.

Mortgage rates at my credit union dropped like a rock, in one week my cash flow prospects via the mortgage payment have increased by 11%, ain't depression great?

Babies to their moms? Are you sure? That shit's not right. He used to nail turbans to Muslim heads - that's not as bad.

In any case, history is an art. And part of the art is looking the other way. When was the last time you heard Jews talking about the 20,000 Christians they sacraficed? It happened when the Persians defeated the Byzantines in Palestine. The Jews bought the Christians from the Persians.

There's more - much more. Read the unedited version of Gibbon's "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire". And remember, Gibbon was no friend of Christianity.

Goethe said it best: History is a nightmare from which I am seeking to awaken. My point: let no group pretend to be outside the horror. We can do better but we have all sinned. The key to doing better is to go back to the Nation State. This kind of Utopianism, or Tikkun Olam is a recipe for oceans of blood. Borders help limit the damadge. The Jewish idea that since God is One, Man must be too is pernicious - especially since they don't really believe it. Christianity used to uphold the idea of Nationhood, but alas they have caught the Globo Bug too.

Who do you think financed the wars and warlords on Europe for last 1000 years? That's not a secret. Why don't you look it up?

Why not also find out who financed the Rothschild/Morgan, who then set up the FED and the CIA? What are you so afraid of?

And now everybody know it!
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everybody nose it!
;-)

The Eyesore of the Month is great today.

http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore.html

It looks like X-factor's spaceship.

The Jewish idea that since God is One, Man must be too is pernicious
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No, that's a Christian/Islamic idiocy. Don't attribute that idiocy to Jews.

Jews don't want anybody but Jews to be Jews. We don't care what dumb fsck god you worship, because your dumb fsck god is not our god. Nor are we interested in any of that idiotic lunacy. We're passed that insanity. The only reason I even pay attention to you dumb fscks is because it is Christian and Islamic fscks that are constantly vying for empire and absorptions of others into their dumb fsck cults. I don't want to be saved by your dumb fsck imperialist cults. I want you thieving imperialists the fsck out.

While the American public sucks up the perception of a cut-back deal, the debt limit rises high to sunburn their frolicking beach bodies, to a crisp.

There's a story from Africa - I'm not swearin' that it's true, just passing it along. A missionary had to go away for a week. He told his foreman to expect a shipment of wheelbarrows while he was away. He got a telegram telling him to return - the workers were very angry, getting injured, quitting, etc. He returned to see the native workers using the wheelbarrows just as they had used the baskets - carrying them on their head or shoulder. Those new baskets were a motherfucker!

Karl Marx came from a long line of Rabbis. As Moses Hess said, "Communism is Judaism". Judaism for other people that is, second class people who aren't the Chosen.

And now your gentile zombies have returned to you wondering why you don't BELIEVE. Hitler predicted as much.

Professor Kevin MacDonald has addressed this issue: the Elite are not synomous with the Jewish People but they do have a special relationship. David Icke also wondered why the Jews let the Elite hide behind them. MacDonald answers because the Jews benefit from this relationship. My point: Not for very much longer. The advent of Eurabia is a case in point.

My old grampy whould've called you a miserable old hebe!
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Buy your old grumpy a Guinness, on me. It's the same German fscks, AKA, your Queen, that are making us both miserable. :D

I’m afraid you’re right – we are going to be easy prey for new enemies. The government is broke, overextended in its military entanglements; no money to pay for more of the usual (entitlements, stimulus, healthcare, banking rescues, a raft of defense contractors and the expensive toys they make.) There’s no real money left to pay for those things, just the vapor money the banks use, the declining fiat currency the Fed issues.

The extreme right members in the Republican tent can not see America in decline, let alone contemplate the reasons (not anything external, only due to liberals, spending, and Democrats) Being knocked off the pillar as the world’s major economic and military power will not sit well with them. In 2012 we could have a Bush 3.0 in power, trying to relive the "easy" victory of Iraq ’91.

The old alignments we were used to may not hold. Even historical friends and allies in Europe and South America may turn away from us to save themselves – they will push back to avoid being dragged down into the US CF. New alliances could find it convenient to do the same - China’s not as strong or as unified as most westerners fear (they have their internal corruption and ethnic strife; inflation, food troubles, and oil dependency that rarely makes the news) but their desperation may push them into Africa and Arabia. Russia likes us only as long as “your interests don’t interfere with my interests” as Vito Corleone would put it. We and Arabia are akin to the “drug dealer/addict” relationship more than a business partnership.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we get chased out of the Middle East in the next 20 years (maybe militarily, but more likely just shut out of the business of extracting cheap oil.)

David Icke also wondered why the Jews let the Elite hide behind them.
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A handful of Jewish fscks that the Vatican/CIA likes to showcase as scapegoats don't make "DA JEWS". We are a nation of some 20 million people. Capish!? David Icke is a racist fsck. And is probably a Vatican/CIA sith.

Why do you need some ?

That's not crude. I get it. I KNEW there was a real reason. got by me.

Makes sense. Maybe I could cut the squares into
V's. triangles. and put whip cream on top.
(sorry to be crude).

anyway, thanks for the tip.

August 1, 2011

Obama's Big Payback to Wall Street

The Worst Deal in American History?

By MIKE WHITNEY

Is Obama's debt ceiling agreement the worst deal in US history?

Probably. But not for the reasons that are presently being discussed in the media. What makes the deal such an unmitigated disaster is that it strips congress of its Constitutional authority to control the nation's purse-strings. That authority will be handed over to a bipartisan committee that will decide how to slash $1.5 trillion from the budget in order to reduce the deficits. But, since the committee will be evenly comprised of Republicans and Democrats, there's bound to be disagreement about what programs should be cut. This is all by design, because if the committee is unable to decide where the cutbacks should be, then the decision will be made for them via an "enforcement mechanism" that will require across-the-board spending cuts.

Pretty sinister, eh? It's is a backdoor way of repealing Congress's primary authority while making austerity the default position of the US Government. Whenever in doubt, "Cut spending". Naturally, the GOP refused any agreement that would involve new taxes.

This is from the White House website:

"The Deal Locks in a Process to Enact $1.5 Trillion in Additional Deficit Reduction Through a Bipartisan, Bicameral Congressional Committee: The deal creates a bipartisan, bicameral Congressional Committee that is charged with enacting $1.5 trillion in additional deficit reduction by the end of the year....

To Meet This Target, the Committee Will Consider Responsible Entitlement and Tax Reform. This means putting all the priorities of both parties on the table – including both entitlement reform and revenue-raising tax reform.....The deal includes an automatic sequester on certain spending programs to ensure that—between the Committee and the trigger—we at least put in place an additional $1.2 trillion in deficit reduction by 2013."

Not surprisingly, liberal pundits everywhere are moaning that Obama was "mugged" or worse, that he was "blackmailed".

What nonsense. This is the plan that Obama wanted from the very beginning, liberals were just unwilling to listen until now. They were too caught up with his lofty oratory and his personal history as if that was surefire proof of a kind heart and a progressive outlook.

Well, guess what? It's not. The man is not who he pretends to be. Here's a clip from a speech Obama gave in November 2008, before he even took office, and long before the budget deficits had become a problem:

"Our economy is trapped in a vicious cycle: the turmoil on Wall Street means a new round of belt-tightening for families and businesses on Main Street ....we'll have to scour our federal budget, line-by-line, and make meaningful cuts and sacrifices as well."

Huh? You mean Obama was prattling the right-wing mantra before he ever set foot in the Oval Office?

Uh huh; which explains why he picked the two losers most responsible for the Crash of '08 to lead his economics team; Lawrence Summers and Timothy Geithner. Obama devotees shrugged off the appointments as a rookie error unwilling to breach any criticism of the Dear Leader. Even now, they cry "Foul", claiming Obama was either hoodwinked or --get this--a "poor negotiator".

Get real. Obama is as far right as you can get without donning a Tricorn hat and joining a militia. Don't believe it?

Here's an excerpt from his book Audacity of Hope where he gushingly praises his boyhood hero, Ronald Reagan:

"Reagan spoke to America's longing for order, our need to believe that we are not simply subject to blind, impersonal forces, but that we can shape our individual and collective destinies, so long as we rediscover the traditional virtues of hard work, patriotism, person responsibility, optimism, and faith.

That Reagan's message found such a receptive audience spoke not only to his skills as a communicator; it also spoke to the failures of liberal government, during a period of economic stagnation, to give middle-class voters any sense that it was fighting for them. For the fact was that government at every level had become too cavalier about spending taxpayer money. Too often, bureaucracies were oblivious to the cost of their mandates. A lot of liberal rhetoric did seem to value rights and entitlements over duties and responsibilities. Reagan may have exaggerated the sins of the welfare state, and certainly liberals were right to complain that his domestic policies tilted heavily toward economic elites, with corporate raiders making tidy profits throughout the eighties while unions were busted and the income for the average working stiff flatlined.

Nevertheless, by promising to side with those who worked hard, obeyed the law, cared for their families, and loved their country, Reagan offered Americans a sense of a common purpose that liberals seemed no longer able to muster. And the more his critics carped, the more those critics played into the role he'd written for them--a band of out-of-touch, tax-and-spend, blame-America-first, politically correct elites (Audacity of Hope, 31-32). (Excerpt from, Christopher Caldwell, What Obama Owes to Reagan, Daily Kos)

Have you ever heard a progressive opine so breathlessly on the Gipper's virtues or palaver about hard working, law abiding patriotic Americans, all of which is code for flag-waving right-wing fanatics?

Obama wasn't blackmailed; he's as corporate as they come. Just look at the record. Here's an excerpt from an article by FAIR's Jeff Cohen:

"In 2006, a relatively new Senator Obama was the only senator to speak at the inaugural gathering of the Alexander Hamilton Project launched by Wall Street Democrats like Robert Rubin and Roger Altman, Bill Clinton's treasury secretary and deputy secretary. Obama praised them as "innovative, thoughtful policymakers." (It was Rubin's crusade to deregulate Wall Street in the late '90s that led directly to the economic meltdown of 2008 and our current crisis.)

In early 2007, way before he was a presidential frontrunner, candidate Obama was raising more money from Wall Street interests than all other candidates, including New York presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani.

In June 2008, as soon as Hillary ended her campaign, Obama went on CNBC, shunned the "populist" label and announced: "Look: I am a pro-growth, free-market guy. I love the market." He packed his economic team with Wall Street friends -- choosing one of Bill Clinton's Wall Street deregulators, Larry Summers, as his top economic advisor." ("Obama is NOT "Caving" to Corporate Interests, Jeff Cohen, Smirking Chimp)

Obama has been zeroing in on Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security from the very beginning. Why else would Wall Street throw their support behind a total "unknown"; a two year senator with no foreign policy experience and a background in community organizing. That's hardly the type of resume that makes one a shoo-in for Empire's top-spot. There must have been a quid pro quo, a tacit understanding that if Obama was elected, he'd carry out the corporate/Big Finance agenda. And, so he has.

The debt ceiling fiasco just proves that Obama keeps his promises. In other words, it's "payback time."

Mike Whitney lives in Washington state. He can be reached at fergiewhitney@msn.com

Mea culpa. I restrained myself heroically for many months, but one ALL CAPS FUCKTARD and I, I, I just could ... not ... resist tweaking the King Ranch Pickup Cowboy with the Great Cunctator's moniker.

My offers to JHK to monitor the comments have fallen on a deaf keyboard.

Karl Marx came from a long line of Rabbis.
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Karl Marx was paid agent of the Vatican/Bankers. As for the "long line of Rabbis", they are probably the same long line of Bnei Brit Litvaks/Polacks the Vatican is financing right now, and at which Q likes to roll his eyes. I'd prefer that instead of batting his eyelashes, he'd grab a bat and do something useful for a change.

"might not summon the spirits of Ronald Reagan, Santa Claus, Adam Smith, Chuck Norris"

As long as the spirit of Chuck remains alive, America will survive.

I needed that. Thank You.
Very good musician, and new to me.

:)

or merely an online Tourette's Syndrome victim

I think it's called coprolalia, and only some of Tourette's victims suffer from it...

Q: cf. echolalia from the Breakfast of Champions

Thanks Dolan. You're a nice guy for a Cultural Marxist. I'd like to talk to you after you had a few. I bet I could get you to say the N word and start telling war stories about your bad experiences with Blacks. All Whites who have had extensive contact with them has their own stories. That you can't admit this or can't remember is just a measure of the split in your consciousness. Alcohol can help. I'm a racial therapist who tries to help Whites remember who they are and regain health.

There you go - call them V's. Innuendo for Vagina. After you make your first mill, I'm gonna collect a consulting fee.

r

Oh Yes, in less then 12? Hours this threads gone to s*it.

Puck, Where are you?
'THE WAR' almost broke out in 2002!
Have you read the MAHABARATA?
History is repeating itself.

I have heard Kurukshatera [where the battle happened] is radioactive.

see post above this my child.

Well, it looks like being editor of the Harvard Law Review means you end up being a more saavy negotiator, with chess-like strategy. The Republicans just got taken to the cleaners. Rush Limbaugh is furious with the Democratic victory "deal."

President Obama won major concessions by ensuring the debt limit is not "held hostage" and up for another vote in just a few months (something the Republicans wanted) and also by protecting domestic programs including Pell Grants and Medicaid (something the Republicans did not want).

Now, thanks to Obama, no matter what, the Bush tax cuts for the rich will end, whether by veto if Republicans push them along, by the failure of the super committee for tax reform to act or when they expire in January 2013.

Another Obama victory is the trigger mechanism. If Congress fails to act on raising the debt limit again, the trigger would go into effect in December and automatically cut domestic and defense spending 50-50 beginning in January 2013.

Got to hand it to Obama. He outsmarted Boehner and McConnell at every turn... and ultimately got what clearly constitutes a long-term solution which easily guarantees Obama's re-election (well, this "deal" and getting Osama bin Laden).

Mr. Kunstler,

Yeah, James! Get down! One of my favorites. It's even given me some clarity into how Capitol Records was able to sell a zillion copies of "Sloop John B" to a buncha' landlocked kids in the middle of corn and soybean country.

As Always,

Charles DeGaulle

I have this vision of the President and John Beohner in private. Mr. Obama has his white shirt sleeves rolled up and he's leaning his head into his hands while saying "Damn, John. You're just a dumbass aren't you?"

Oh, and by the way, who here really believes that it is going to make one goddamn bit of difference if the debt ceiling is raised or not? Do not succumb to the DoubleSpeak.

That's what I had to do to get my cheese. You can try, and try, and try. Some motherfuckers just don't get it. Or, and even I hate to use this word, they think you're a punk.

Best Wishes,

Zsa Zsa Gabor

Perhaps we finally understand that money cannot trump resource depletion and environmental degradation.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

All right, monkeys. STOP TALKING!!

The thing that's really nagging me personally is, how the fuck do you evolve consciously on the fly?

Seriously,

Manfred von Richtofen

I have left several antagonistic posts very recently. It is 3:00 AM on the extreme left coast. It is 6:00 AM EST. I'm watching.

Go to bed idiot!

These people have real lives. You should leave them alone.

Since I have a surreal life, I agree
Oh, Ick. A Techno-Revelation.

DO NOTHING

The hardest thing to do is nothing. But that is what should be done and what we all should do, simply do nothing, now you can be lazy freely, now you can finally be as lazy as you want without any guilt complexes, protestant work ethic and such, just give up, roll over and die, or do nothing at all, total void, absolutely nothing at all, you better like being bored, watch TV, write some crap on this blog and such but essentially try doing as much nothing as possible, try doing less and less of nothing, try being a total void, try no activity as hard and as much as possible, you can do it, man, go man go, do it. Why ? because there are NO SOLUTIONS to any problems, the fact that there is no cause and effect mechanism that can change the way things play out, they play out anyways, independent of anything you do, no one is in control really, no one, no matter how powerful you think they are (their power is always nearly zero although everyone thinks they have all of this power and even if they have all the cash in the world), their is no action and reaction that they or anyone at all can do that can drive the way things play out in any particular direction (aside from the fact that there are essentially 7 billion different directions, all contrasting, all opposite of each other, that anyone wants for the things to play out as).

What is even more interesting is that no matter how perfect your analysis or decoding of reality, no matter how correct it is in all possible reasons and logic, no matter how scientific and correct and logical your models of economy and cause and effect mechanisms (such as you know that less taxes will surely just kill more jobs, so taxes should increase and we scientifically need free salaries and cheap rents if the desired direction we want for the economy is "more growth" and "less poverty" and such), there is no concrete decision, no concrete choice, nothing that can be done to make the economy go in that desired direction, no matter what. It is as if we have a perfect model of everything, we know everything, we can even imagine all kinds of choices and effects and causes and effects that "should" bring forth a certain result, but nothing will ever work, knowing the causes and effects doesn't mean we can manipulate it, in fact we can't manipulate anything at all, we should just learn to give up real fast, end of story. Any choice we make, any direction we try to make the economy go (or anything else for that matter), no matter what, whether right wing or left wing choices, it doesn't matter, the result will be in no way related to what we wanted, will be completely independent of what we desired, will contradict any and all of our models completely and totally, we are doomed to fail no matter what, the model is totally disconnected from any concrete activity, any concrete manipulation we can imagine, it will go in any direction it wants, all by itself no matter how we push it and try to manipulate it, no matter how we force it, it will be a circus of unintended consequences, a joke on the model, a joke on all of us.

And why is this ? Whether you want to know it or not, whether it is even important to know it or not, and even knowing or not doesn't change anything, but anywho's the "why is this ?" is simply because the system we are trying to manipulate (we decoded it in all possible ways, we have thousands of perfect decodings of the system no doubt) is chaotic, random, is full of quirks, is full of conflicts, large and small, is totally random, unpredictable, is saturated with the free wills of individuals which means that what they do and how they act is essentially outside of any rules and nay, even the laws of physics, is just an instantaneous interaction of random forces, some lose, some win, end of story, it is just an extension of the three body problem, it is a problem without any solution, an equation that has no solution, end of story.

So, there are no solutions, there is no effort you can do, no job you can do, and in fact the "jobs" thing is really funny: there has never been an era where jobs are so totally irrelevant and meaningless as today, exactly the moment (and this has been a long moment that started a few decades ago) that the Technological Economy was doing away with the entire concept of jobs, efforts that bring results, meritocracy, you have to deserve it, "hard work" and such by automation, optimization, agriculture mechanization, technology and transportation and electronics bringing forth huge economies of scale, huge amplifications of effects, huge excess productive capacity in all possible endeavors, all of a sudden the myth of "hard work" and "more effort", and the "workaholics" myth, and the "more education", the "skill sets" myth, in short the myth of meritocracy and inequality justifying your "job" and such became popular, became the dominant economic model, exactly when all of this was becoming no longer applicable, obsolete, no longer connected or relevant in any way to the economy.

In fact we need, less meritocracy, we need less "you have to deserve it" and more forced equality through free salaries and cheap rents in order to discharge the huge pent up, excess productive capacity manufacturing has worldwide, not the myth of "hard work" and meritocracy, we need the exact opposite.

I heard some banks in the EU and USA want to get rid of a few thousand workers, but those workers are not only an independent variable of what the banks do, they are a totally irrelevant variable, their work was worth zero whether they are in those banks or not, the entire idea of "work being necessary" to get "results", effort brings results, in this service economy is a joke, those workers weren't needed in the first place, they were there just as a place holder, just because the dominant economic forces have such a huge amount of cash that they truly don't know what to do with it so they hire a few slobs just to get rid of some, just because, only to hose them when they feel like it, just for fun, because they are bored.

The effect the bank workers on result today is mostly the same effect that pebble down the street has on your TV set: zero, not related, not connected, irrelevant. The bank and so many other economic entities operate only according to power relationships, only according to some kinds of economic relationships, some kinds of monopoly, or status relationships, just because they are set up to make huge amounts of money automatically, as in automatic for the people, but especially automatic to those lucky enough to gain from some monopolistic type of relationship, like Apple selling like crazy because they are "fashionable" (not because those simple computers that are the iphones and ipads actually do anything new or better), same for Mercedes and BMW, and IBM and so forth and so on. They operate not because of the "effort" of their workers (which is, even when needed a dime a dozen like in the foxconn factories) but mostly because of a certain relationship that guarantees them a steady income just because, because they brainwashed most people through their marketing or because they have relationships amongst strong economic forces that "help each other" etc.

So then why did I write this block of text ? If nothing has any effect, if there is no investment that can give you any return anymore, then why write all of this garbage I wrote ? just because, because writing it or not is the equivalent of doing nothing, has no effect on anything, is useless, nay what I wrote is probably all false, or just to piss off some horny gal on this site (as I am ph*k denied) and such, just to be a creep, I creep myself out constantly, etc.
In fact, often by doing something you get mostly negative results, you lose instead of gaining, actually doing nothing is the most productive thing you can do, an economy with everything exactly dead is the richest possible.

Because the brain - mind can't get over the fact that it must DO NOTHING, it is too used to, programmed too deeply to put "effort" in something with the hope of some "result" (but we make up all kinds of imaginary results with imaginary rituals and efforts anyways, we will make believe we gain and achieve even when there is no gain anyways (or gaining is arbitrarily defined, it can be assigned infinite just because, so I gained infinitely by writing this block of text, and such all fun and games)), but doing nothing or something is the same, it is all equivalent, the mind brain decides to disjoint them and make them opposites and make them define each other reciprocally, but none of it is true or false (other inventions) it is all a make believe world anyways, and doing nothing is actually doing everything, is achieving infinity constantly, or doing or not doing is equal, or undefined, or make up anything you want.

WATCH TV, END OF STORY.

well here's something you can do. And it's even relevant to the subject of the blog.

You can see photos of a real live japanese beetle clusterfuck at http://eighthacrefarm.blogspot.com/2011/07/this-is-your-garden-on-japanese-beetles.html


As a corollary reference:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=176094

"NO SOLUTION.

Does anyone really think that any problem can be solved ? Does anyone really think that there are any possible "solutions" to any problem ? Well, I got news for you, there are NO SOLUTIONS to any problems, end of story. We are destined to fail BIG TIME in all possible endeavors, we are failed from the outset, failed even before we being, we have failed, end of story. Aside from the fact that there are an infinite amount of problems that don't even pretend to have a solution, and we all know it, even though we keep on trying to fool ourselves and make believe that we are achieving and trying to solve the problems, we are progressing in our path to the solution. But problems don't exist from the outset, we just invent them, we just make believe that we have to solve problems, that there are problems, that we must go from A to B, when in most cases, who cares, stay in A, it doesn't matter, etc."


DO NOTHING

The hardest thing to do is nothing. But that is what should be done and what we all should do, simply do nothing, now you can be lazy freely, now you can finally be as lazy as you want without any guilt complexes, protestant work ethic and such, just give up, roll over and die, or do nothing at all, total void, absolutely nothing at all, you better like being bored, watch TV, write some crap on this blog and such but essentially try doing as much nothing as possible, try doing less and less of nothing, try being a total void, try no activity as hard and as much as possible, you can do it, man, go man go, do it. Why ? because there are NO SOLUTIONS to any problems, the fact that there is no cause and effect mechanism that can change the way things play out, they play out anyways, independent of anything you do, no one is in control really, no one, no matter how powerful you think they are (their power is always nearly zero although everyone thinks they have all of this power and even if they have all the cash in the world), their is no action and reaction that they or anyone at all can do that can drive the way things play out in any particular direction (aside from the fact that there are essentially 7 billion different directions, all contrasting, all opposite of each other, that anyone wants for the things to play out as).

What is even more interesting is that no matter how perfect your analysis or decoding of reality, no matter how correct it is in all possible reasons and logic, no matter how scientific and correct and logical your models of economy and cause and effect mechanisms (such as you know that less taxes will surely just kill more jobs, so taxes should increase and we scientifically need free salaries and cheap rents if the desired direction we want for the economy is "more growth" and "less poverty" and such), there is no concrete decision, no concrete choice, nothing that can be done to make the economy go in that desired direction, no matter what. It is as if we have a perfect model of everything, we know everything, we can even imagine all kinds of choices and effects and causes and effects that "should" bring forth a certain result, but nothing will ever work, knowing the causes and effects doesn't mean we can manipulate it, in fact we can't manipulate anything at all, we should just learn to give up real fast, end of story. Any choice we make, any direction we try to make the economy go (or anything else for that matter), no matter what, whether right wing or left wing choices, it doesn't matter, the result will be in no way related to what we wanted, will be completely independent of what we desired, will contradict any and all of our models completely and totally, we are doomed to fail no matter what, the model is totally disconnected from any concrete activity, any concrete manipulation we can imagine, it will go in any direction it wants, all by itself no matter how we push it and try to manipulate it, no matter how we force it, it will be a circus of unintended consequences, a joke on the model, a joke on all of us.

And why is this ? Whether you want to know it or not, whether it is even important to know it or not, and even knowing or not doesn't change anything, but anywho's the "why is this ?" is simply because the system we are trying to manipulate (we decoded it in all possible ways, we have thousands of perfect decodings of the system no doubt) is chaotic, random, is full of quirks, is full of conflicts, large and small, is totally random, unpredictable, is saturated with the free wills of individuals which means that what they do and how they act is essentially outside of any rules and nay, even the laws of physics, is just an instantaneous interaction of random forces, some lose, some win, end of story, it is just an extension of the three body problem, it is a problem without any solution, an equation that has no solution, end of story.

So, there are no solutions, there is no effort you can do, no job you can do, and in fact the "jobs" thing is really funny: there has never been an era where jobs are so totally irrelevant and meaningless as today, exactly the moment (and this has been a long moment that started a few decades ago) that the Technological Economy was doing away with the entire concept of jobs, efforts that bring results, meritocracy, you have to deserve it, "hard work" and such by automation, optimization, agriculture mechanization, technology and transportation and electronics bringing forth huge economies of scale, huge amplifications of effects, huge excess productive capacity in all possible endeavors, all of a sudden the myth of "hard work" and "more effort", and the "workaholics" myth, and the "more education", the "skill sets" myth, in short the myth of meritocracy and inequality justifying your "job" and such became popular, became the dominant economic model, exactly when all of this was becoming no longer applicable, obsolete, no longer connected or relevant in any way to the economy.

In fact we need, less meritocracy, we need less "you have to deserve it" and more forced equality through free salaries and cheap rents in order to discharge the huge pent up, excess productive capacity manufacturing has worldwide, not the myth of "hard work" and meritocracy, we need the exact opposite.

I heard some banks in the EU and USA want to get rid of a few thousand workers, but those workers are not only an independent variable of what the banks do, they are a totally irrelevant variable, their work was worth zero whether they are in those banks or not, the entire idea of "work being necessary" to get "results", effort brings results, in this service economy is a joke, those workers weren't needed in the first place, they were there just as a place holder, just because the dominant economic forces have such a huge amount of cash that they truly don't know what to do with it so they hire a few slobs just to get rid of some, just because, only to hose them when they feel like it, just for fun, because they are bored.

The effect the bank workers on result today is mostly the same effect that pebble down the street has on your TV set: zero, not related, not connected, irrelevant. The bank and so many other economic entities operate only according to power relationships, only according to some kinds of economic relationships, some kinds of monopoly, or status relationships, just because they are set up to make huge amounts of money automatically, as in automatic for the people, but especially automatic to those lucky enough to gain from some monopolistic type of relationship, like Apple selling like crazy because they are "fashionable" (not because those simple computers that are the iphones and ipads actually do anything new or better), same for Mercedes and BMW, and IBM and so forth and so on. They operate not because of the "effort" of their workers (which is, even when needed a dime a dozen like in the foxconn factories) but mostly because of a certain relationship that guarantees them a steady income just because, because they brainwashed most people through their marketing or because they have relationships amongst strong economic forces that "help each other" etc.

So then why did I write this block of text ? If nothing has any effect, if there is no investment that can give you any return anymore, then why write all of this garbage I wrote ? just because, because writing it or not is the equivalent of doing nothing, has no effect on anything, is useless, nay what I wrote is probably all false, or just to piss off some horny gal on this site (as I am ph*k denied) and such, just to be a creep, I creep myself out constantly, etc.
In fact, often by doing something you get mostly negative results, you lose instead of gaining, actually doing nothing is the most productive thing you can do, an economy with everything exactly dead is the richest possible.

Because the brain - mind can't get over the fact that it must DO NOTHING, it is too used to, programmed too deeply to put "effort" in something with the hope of some "result" (but we make up all kinds of imaginary results with imaginary rituals and efforts anyways, we will make believe we gain and achieve even when there is no gain anyways (or gaining is arbitrarily defined, it can be assigned infinite just because, so I gained infinitely by writing this block of text, and such all fun and games)), but doing nothing or something is the same, it is all equivalent, the mind brain decides to disjoint them and make them opposites and make them define each other reciprocally, but none of it is true or false (other inventions) it is all a make believe world anyways, and doing nothing is actually doing everything, is achieving infinity constantly, or doing or not doing is equal, or undefined, or make up anything you want.

WATCH TV, END OF STORY.

From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=176094

As in the world without this block of text: is it better or worse, did it go in any desired direction ? or what if the direction it should go is achieved without this text, or with a different text, and how many different texts can be written, and how can they be connected to sensations emotions pain/pleasure ? and so on, but especially was it built up already or is the text building down, is it destroying or constructing, and if you look at 2 items and name them A and B did the start path -> effort -> result go from A to B or from B to A ? and then how many As and Bs can be seen and invented, is everything a solution or result or start path or problem and the path itself could be C but substitute A with C and make it C to B using A as a path and so on. Then all is already constructed ? Then all is destroyed, but if you change the definition on the fly you get Instant Construction or Instant Destruction or just paths and efforts with no start or result, etc.

Is something a part of something else or disconnected ? what is the aggregate, the delimitation ?

I'm still regretting that we lost the Whiskey Rebellion.

Irrelevant Variables

In many theories, but especially economics and political economy there are many make believe causes and effects, many make believe irrelevant variables that are supposed to paint a pretty picture of an "economic situation" (aside from the fact that the entire idea of an economy and an economic situation is a huge abstraction, denotation, a made up abstraction that is just a bag of numbers (counters) measuring things as aggregated values like unemployment, orders, housing starts, sales, etc. that often and in most cases don't mean anything at all and are all irrelevant variables to the lives of most people, so much so that most economy is simply the "psychological environment" of most people, it is mostly a "spiritual, psychological thing, the general MOOD OF A SOCIETY, THE GENERAL TRUST IN THE FUTURE A SOCIETY HAS, THE GENERAL EXPECTATIONS OF GAIN a society has, the general RESULT FROM EFFORT, THE BETTER FUTURE, THE IMPROVEMENT that people expect, have and make them feel "rich" better, improving, etc. that makes them spend money and invest, etc, that is why the economists are so obsessed with "ECONOMIC GROWTH" and "technological innovation" as these in the past uplifted the moods of people, things were getting better, improving, increasing, better cars, new devices, computers, cell phones, etc., but that one trick pony seems to be essentially dead now)) but are totally irrelevant variables such as orders from industry (but these seldom create any new jobs just ever more profit in the same old hands ever more), how much cash banks have (again, irrelevant number, banks have a huge amount of cash (distributed according to various holders, sometimes many sometimes few) but that cash doesn't necessarily do anything for the economy, nay, it usually drains the economy of ever more cash as it needs to generate profit and robs the money from the money outside banks, also because banks don't invest much in anything anymore knowing that there is no longer anything worth investing into, there is no longer any return on investment in anything, etc.) unemployment numbers (mostly false, always changing and never a real picture of how hard it is to find a good paying job, how long that good paying job can last, and what activity exactly that good paying job is supposed to perform (as in try to loan money to people that are broke so as to make a subprime loan stuff)), etc.

The economists only talk about these numbers but never say would could possibly improve things (but I can be wrong, who cares, everyone today is wrong as there are no solutions left and you might as well do nothing as I said) and namely: huge public private projects like High Speed Trains, Skyscrapers, Rockets to Mars, and many others, all collective endeavors that give a goal to millions of people that have no goal, that give them pride and ambition since they are working for a common goal, etc. and free salaries and cheap rents, etc. A project, a construction, something that is "building a future", something real that you can touch with your hands, something that gives a sense of achievement, enough with fluff and fairy tales and huge profits to the few. All of this can be paid by the FED printing trillions of dollars (they are always printing trillions, we may have PEAK TREES soon, the trees will run out worldwide) and giving it out for real projects instead of simply handing it out into the hands of the super rich just for fun, just to see how easy it is to get away with it, just to see how it can fool everyone worldwide, etc.

Instead, puny odumbo talks about "innovation" and "small businesses" exactly the things that won't create any new jobs and will exactly kill ever more jobs through innovation, etc.


Spelling correction:

DO NOTHING

The hardest thing to do is nothing. But that is what should be done and what we all should do, simply do nothing, now you can be lazy freely, now you can finally be as lazy as you want without any guilt complexes, protestant work ethic and such, just give up, roll over and die, or do nothing at all, total void, absolutely nothing at all, you better like being bored, watch TV, write some crap on this blog and such but essentially try doing as much nothing as possible, try doing less and less of nothing, try being a total void, try no activity as hard and as much as possible, you can do it, man, go man go, do it. Why ? because there are NO SOLUTIONS to any problems, the fact that there is no cause and effect mechanism that can change the way things play out, they play out anyways, independent of anything you do, no one is in control really, no one, no matter how powerful you think they are (their power is always nearly zero although everyone thinks they have all of this power and even if they have all the cash in the world), there is no action and reaction that they or anyone at all can do that can drive the way things play out in any particular direction (aside from the fact that there are essentially 7 billion different directions, all contrasting, all opposite of each other, that anyone wants for the things to play out as).

And we wouldn't have spent 3 weeks talking about the debt ceiling if not prompted to do so by the TV.

It has been pointed out that the debt ceiling has been raised 90 times in the past. How much time did you spend discussing the previous occurrences?

We do all dance to the TVs tune.

The entire idea of "DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT", you must do something about it or do something to fix it or change it or manipulate it or whatever. But in almost all cases and all endeavors, in all situations, in practically every possible thing imaginable, you simply "CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT"", you can't do anything about anything, end of story, give up real fast.

Out of a trillion things you should "do something about" you can only do something about ONE, and even there just barely.

Give up real fast, man, you can do it, give up and suffer (or not ? enjoy instead, who cares), ever more, that is so cool, no more guilt complex protestant work ethic, no more "you didn't work hard enough", now you can answer, there is no return on investment, no gain from any effort, end of story, you are free to be as lazy as possible...

Be really lazy, BE AS LAZY AS POSSIBLE!

Karl Marx came from a long line of Rabbis.
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Karl Marx was paid agent of the Vatican/Bankers. As for the "long line of Rabbis", they are probably the same long line of Bnei Brit Litvaks/Polacks the Vatican is financing right now
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When I read shit like this, I find it hard to tell if those writing it are serious....unless of course, you've been around here long enough to know that just about any form of blathering nonsense is possible. Reminds me of the movie "Deliverance", but in this case both the banjo player and the guitarist are simple minded inbred imbiciles.

Dude writes:

"I do not hold my breath waiting for Kurzweilian "Singularity." "

I answer:

The singularity is already achieved with the very idea of the singularity, the mind modifies itself automatically and achieves the Instant Singularity when it realizes that it is a variable, an arbitrary variable that can be changed in any way possible, therefore decoding reality in any way possible therefore creating a new universe, new laws of physics, new sense organs, experiences etc. It has already been achieved, read all of nameta9's posts on the Instant Singularity and others on the social sciences section of www.ilovephilosophy.com and all of old6699's posts and all of spider9629's on www.kunslter.com.

Just imagining it you create it, another modified mind fell from the SUN this is:

£JJEH%HHRJKG&%&&&&

Who knows what that is doing ? who knows how memory is connected to emotion, etc.


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=176094

From:

http://kunstler.com/blog/2011/08/weimar-meets-waterloo.html

Dude writes:

"I do not hold my breath waiting for Kurzweilian "Singularity." "

I answer:

The singularity is already achieved with the very idea of the singularity, the mind modifies itself automatically and achieves the Instant Singularity when it realizes that it is a variable, an arbitrary variable that can be changed in any way possible, therefore decoding reality in any way possible therefore creating a new universe, new laws of physics, new sense organs, experiences etc. It has already been achieved, read all of nameta9's posts on the Instant Singularity and others on the social sciences section of www.ilovephilosophy.com and all of old6699's posts and all of spider9629's on www.kunstler.com.

Just imagining it you create it, another modified mind fell from the SUN this is:

£JJEH%HHRJKG&%&&&&

Who knows what that is doing ? who knows how memory is connected to emotion, etc.

Got to hand it to Obama. He outsmarted Boehner and McConnell at every turn...
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If the debt deal IS bullshit, then you are celebrating the fact that government policy is nothing but smoke and mirrors. The problem with that is, progressives must have a government that works, or there whole philosophy is deeply flawed, and right now, we have one that most definitely isn't working.

Obama didn't outsmart anyone, he's pretty much exhausted whatever was left of the Democratic Party's brand. Perceptions DO matter, and no clear headed individual believes Obama "won" in that battle. Once more he's demonstated he doesn't really stand up for the people, no matter how many of them want him to, and that's no victory. Maybe he won't pay in the next election, based on what the R's have standing around, but the Democratic Party will pay, and for a long time, in all probability.

You have to stand for something....and you have to do what you say. Obama demonstrates neither trait.

Just imagining it you create it, another modified mind fell from the SUN this is:

£JJEH%HHRJKG&%&&&&

Who knows what that is doing ? who knows how memory is connected to emotion, etc.
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Who know if you stay up all night smoking meth, or if you are this confused naturally.

Actually, I find Kuntsler interesting, and I wouldn't be surprised if SOME of what he says becomes reality. One thing is for sure, when it comes to predicting the future he has far better credentials than any of us, JHK in particular.

I'm still regretting that we lost the Whiskey Rebellion.
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Stop! my liver hurts when I laugh.

Interesting quotes, Den.

Clearly Obama has learned from Reagan. The speeches have nothing to do with the policies.

While Reagan mouthed criticisms of big guvment, he ran up the biggest deficits in US history. None of his followers noticed.

While Obama solemnly pledges in public to protect Social Security and Medicare, he's making deals to destroy both programs, and more.

None of his followers notice.

It's pretty amazing, actually. You can lie through your teeth, and 66% of the people will believe you.

Well, it looks like being editor of the Harvard Law Review means you end up being a more saavy negotiator, with chess-like strategy. The Republicans just got taken to the cleaners.
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Soak is a hoot!

I went to the Rutgers pool yesterday to escape the heat and so I didn't get around to reading yesterday's NY Times Op Eds till this morning ... right before reading the above referenced Soak post.

I'll keep this short and let you look up the details if you are so disposed. On the left side of page A21 is an article by Ross Douthat titled The Diminished President and on the right side of that page Paul Krugman's column titled The President Surrenders. These two regularly published Op Ed columnists are stalwarts of the Left.

P.S. It's savvy.

Howdy Wage, Per your comment: "It's pretty amazing, actually. You can lie through your teeth, and 66% of the people will believe you."

Is this perchance because virtually all humans lie; therefore, leading to an inability for the majority to determine truth form fiction?

My last place of employ was with the US Army at APG, MD, my team leader was a fat, smoking, lying, asshole; which, I ascertained within a few conversations with him. What astounded me was that the vast majority of those whom had worked with him for years appeared to think he was an oracle. Fortunately for the taxpayers he died of heart problems when he was in his early 40's thereby sparing said from supporting him into an aged infirmity.

SNAFU

Wage,
Clearly there's something to that Orwell thing..You can hold up three fingers and tell someone that when you say that you're only holding up two fingers, that's what they'll see...

This Cognitive dissonance is a gestalt problem. We all fill in the blanks as to what people are supposed to be about and don't see the slight of hand.

Tarpley and Hudson got this guy (O) pegged and in many respects he's more dangerous than the right winger who tell you exactly what they're about, even if they're dead wrong. At least you know where they stand and the Dems would act as the loyal opposition to their rampant privatization scheme.

Nice week's work, as usual, JHK -
and thanks as always.

Here's my favorite part -
"To put a finer point on it, industrialism (and all its digital offshoots) may not be a permanent feature of the human condition, but an anomalous congruence of some historical events that had a beginning, a middle, and an end._
-jhk-

I believe that there is mounting evidence that this idea is a possibility. And from my perspective, this is an unfortunate thing. Certainly there have been huge and nasty excesses of industrialism. But the huge bulk of humanity (even in whining and complaining US of A) lives better lives than they ever have - and perhaps, ever will again.

But we've got business leaders who think a fiscal year is a long period of time.

And political leaders who KNOW that a single election cycle will make or break them.

Things don't look good, but it ain't over 'till it's over.

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On another note, I see that JHK or his tech guy went through and cleaned up a bunch of "trollage" from Monday. I read through and then gave up before commenting - just too much nastiness to want to wade in, for me.

But I see Spider is still here. Wonder what's up with that.

And I had to get another new screenname handle. Wonder what's up with that, too.

I'll be pleasantly surprised if this even posts, at this point.

Hi Jackieblue

I've been offline for a couple days. Really sorry to hear about your brother.

Beantown Bill

Re your post last week about the rich. Wasn't it Fitzgerald that said the rich are different from you and I? And Hemingway allegedly replied, yes they have more money. Well yeah they have more money.

In my so called career I've had some exposure to exec compensation issues. And you know what, their level of materiality when it comes to their own pay is exactly one dollar.

Remember Martha Stewart messing herself up royally? Over what? An issue over a few tens of thousands when her income and wealth was measured in the hundreds of millions?

For these guys greed knows no bounds.

Actually, Hitler said that all humans tell little lies, but they would never be so bold as to impudently reverse the truth.

Therefore, they will believe in an impudent reversal of the truth.

I think he was right.

Yes, Hudson was on Democracy Now today, talking about how only Nixon could go to China and not be accused of being a commie, and only Obama could totally destroy the New Deal and hand over the rest of the US economy to Wall Street, and have clueless Democrats going along with it.

Chris Floyd has more-

http://www.chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/1-latest-news/2154-if-the-republic-had-not-died-a-long-time-ago-this-would-indeed-be-the-death-of-the-republic-reprise.html

I didn't read this blog yesterday, so I was kind of wondering why people were referring to posts that I didn't see.

Now I know why. Fabian was deleted?

I have to say that that makes for a more enjoyable blog.

But I don't know why they blocked you.

Hi Pro,

Last week we were talking about conspiracies and you brought up the JFK assasination.

To me that whole thing stunk of conspiracy, a de facto coup and a cover up. I just don't buy this lone deranged gunman thing especially when the alleged perp himself got rubbed out. I think that the political establishment got the message: fall into line or there will be more killings. And so they did with that Warren Commission white wash.

So who dunnit? I think maybe a small, well connected group within the US military.

I think maybe that JFK lost his life over his inability to dislodge Castro from Cuba. And maybe other things. I just don't see Kennedy, a Catholic and the son of an alleged bootlegger as being part of the inner core of American power. I have no proof but rather a just a gut feel that he wasn't trusted, that he wasn't "American" enough, that he wasn't tough enough to deal effectively with the Communist threat. He was elected but so what? And so he had to go. I think that Krushchev lost his job over his handling and ultimately backing down during the Cuban missile crisis. So I think both leaders were casualties of the Cold War ie hate and fear on both sides of the Iron Curtain were the motivators.

Yeah, the banfabian cure was worse than the fabian disease.

As far as my banning - beats the hell out of me. When I lost progressorconserve as a handle I actually went through a brief (like 45 second) period of mourning, as I created the progress,conserve handle.

I didn't post at all this past Monday - wish I had, just as an experiment. I've wondered if somebody could be eliminating the "high volume" posters - but soak posted far more than I did last week - and he's still here.

If I were a newcomer to this discussion thread I'd probably bail out on CFN over Spiders lengthy and repetitive posts. And JHK just lets Spider keep going and going. I don't really care a whole lot, anymore - but I am very curious about all of this.

And it's not like I use an abundance of n*sty l*nguage, eith*er. ;-)

And my politics is more in line with most of JHK's positions than is the politics of either Vlad or soak - our CFN polar opposites.

I'm assuming my banning was another electronic glitch - but I'm starting to get a little paranoid about it.

It's altogether. weird.

Yeah, I don't remember you doing anything to deserve a ban on your old handle. Did you send Kunstler an email about it?

Oy veh!

Actually, yes, I can sharpen a saw blade! :)

And I was just out having a meeting with 6 of my neighbors in the middle of our road discussing putting in a group net-meter wind tower for the neighborhood while they are still being manufactured, and collectively starting up bee keeping. We've been working towards collective neighborhood gardening now for a while, slowly by fits and starts.

I was kinda hoping they wouldn't pass the bill, just to call their bluffs and let us all actually see something closer to what's really going on. It's all been smoke and mirrors since we came off the gold standard anyway...

Keep slinging it JHK.

Good thing pro football signed a new agreement with the players so we can look forward to another season to distract us from reality.

"the banfabian cure was worse than the fabian disease"

I guess JHK had to burn the village in order to save it.

Pro sports is so 20th century. We're all playing Angry Birds now.

Credulity is built into the human genome, as it is advantageous to survival.

Imagine this scenario. Momma cave lady has two sons, Bob and Andy. Bob believes everything she tells him. Andy doesn't believe a word of anything she says and wants to figure out things for himself.

One day, Momma says, "Kids, don't go down to the river, because there are gigantic crocodiles that will eat you."

Bob says, "Okay, Mommy," and continues chipping at his rock.

Andy says, "I don't believe you. I'm going to see for myself." He takes off for the river bank and is never heard from again.

Thus curiosity killed the cave man.

HARD WORK ?

Whatever happened to HARD WORK ? What happened to the idea of more work means more money, that linearity, more effort will bring more money, more work, more workers means making more money ? Guess what ? it is no longer operating (if it ever was) otherwise how can you explain that corporations have never made so much money as today by firing millions of workers worldwide ? In fact the banks say that they have to hose a few thousand workers, just because, but they are already making loads of money, but they hose workers to make "even more". There goes down the drain the idea of more workers and more work bringing in more money, actually if anything, it is the reverse, the fewer the workers the more money, not the linearity we love to imagine is always operating more A means more B, in this case more work (which means more effort, more activity) should bring more money: nothing further from the truth, this fairy tale of work corresponding to money has never been true, money has always been a proxy for status relationships, power relationships and fewer workers mean more money if anything. Then again it assumes that the bank workers (or workers in any of the productive endeavors that they have been firing for years just to have a laugh) have no "rare skill", nothing really "special" about them, all of those "skill sets" and "college education" and courses, masters, semesters, training they had all of a sudden is worth A BIG FAT ZERO. Now how is that possible ? Whatever happened to meritocracy, the skill set, the effort and all the other boatload of lies they have been telling everyone for years ? All false ? Uh oh, I guess they fooled us all, what a laugh, oh what fun, and especially what fun for all of those people spending thousands of dollars for college education or whatever expecting to get a "return on investment".

But the service economy, and more specifically the innovation, high tech sectors are the kings of inequality, are the kings that really demonstrate that these sectors not only don't create jobs (but actually kill them BIG TIME), but that they need workers like a hole in the head: they need only very top notch specific, very skilled workers in very specific specialized areas, that is all, everyone else is useless, this is the nature of high tech, it is so specialized, so specific and requires often such high skill levels, knowledge etc. that only very few people really cut it and are "worth something" to the corporations and only because they can't do without (this also correlates very nicely with the growing economic inequality worldwide, in this case a growing knowledge inequality, those who know it all and have real specific talents and those who are just normal slobs, even if quite talented and with physics or engineering degrees and all, but really not part of that truly elite club ofsuperstar scientist and technicians (I am thinking Integrated Circuits and processes specialists, certain algorithm and mathematics specialists, certain material sciences specialists, network and router techs and such). No law of more workers means more results operating here either, more effort brings more results, no way jose', this is non linear at the fullest, the more specific - quirky, lucky chance idea or discovery or invention (often associated with very little work or effort) the more money you can make, like the Apple IPAD.

Just like the linearity of less taxes and more cuts will "generate jobs", will "do good for the economy". Now how on earth is this possible ? (but knowing how totally random and without any possible logic or rules economy and all things social or Man Based is, it may even work, just for fun, just for the kicks of it), if anything, more cuts, less taxes, means somewhere down the line less money flowing around one way or another which always translates into firing workers, any and all, no matter what they do (or in the best case, cutting their salary or making them work part time). But this thing of cutting expenses, firing, cutting taxes really means people are all slobs, people cost "too much", get rid of people and workers, workers are all such a huge pile of crap. This is essentially what it really means. Whatever happened to the idea that "people are a resource" ? That seems to have disappeared also (people are always a turd and expense end of story, economists please stop lying about people being a resource or talent wasted and such).

On the Technological Singularity thing: it has already been achieved, it is a metaphysical state of affairs, the idea of the singularity generates it, creates it, it is no longer based on reality, science, true or false, real or fake, it is proudly LIE BASED, it accepts all contradictions and lies since by changing the brain, you completely change the reference system that is measuring and rendering all real, it is changing the laws of physics and the universe since it breaks all the rules. It no longer needs to touch things or the arbitrary pain/plesure circuits to confirm reality, it becomes a purely abstract, symbol and denotation entity, a metaphysical machine with trillions of new relationships, new pain/pleasure types of circuits but without the sensations we think we know (they are invisible hence more real) and so forth, invent anything you want it is real and all.

And then what is that new modified mind brain mental contraption that fell from the SUN and Cindy found in her backyard ? It is a new design of a mind, a new block diagram full of wild symbols and signals, crazy connections, wild chemicals, the crazier the better, it is exploded and one at the same time who knows:

W£UUUR//%&%/R//RRRRYYYR

this is the block diagram of this new mind, it has the square root of existence connected to zero mixed with disjoint set elements that are evaporating though unknown dimensional entities, etc.


With regards to "The Radical Loser" from:


http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=176095

"This is an understatement. For what we are dealing with here is not annoyance, but murderous rage. What the loser is obsessed with is a comparison that never works in his favour. Since the desire for recognition knows no limits, the pain threshold inevitably sinks and the affronts become more and more unbearable. The irritability of the loser increases with every improvement that he notices in the lot of others. The yardstick is never those who are worse off than himself. In his eyes, it is not they who are constantly being insulted, humbled and humiliated, but only ever him, the radical loser."

The article goes on to express the view that the pissed off loser (like me) wants to kill himself and everyone and so on.

Wow, it sounds like me! Wow, how I identify with this, wow, now I know why I want to kill everything and everyone including myself, why I hate nature's guts, (carbon atoms must be killed as they are the mark of the beast) why I am hysterical and raging with hate and envy and jealousy and all towards anyone who has anything, why I want to destroy and nuke everything, wow, I finally found an explanation of myself.

On another note, this block of text demonstrates that we can go on forever analyzing and discovering all the new truths and relationships, it never ends, if it is all so true, then why doesn't the new blocks of text ever end ? Why can we keep on writing this crap forever, always new crap ? because it is not true, all studies and analysis and blocks of text, no matter how elaborate are an invention of the mind, reality is always a pure invention, we invent a reality, analyze it and invent another one on top of that previous one making believe that is is true.

Make believe you are the Instant Singularity, you really become it, because the Instant Singularity thrives on falsity and lies and converts it into truth...

On another note, kill democracy, kill the conflicts people have over everything, end conflicts, all of them, especially all the interdictions the greens put forward against technology and all with an IRON CLAD COMMUNIST DICTATORSHIP finally showing who the boss is by building trillions of Skyscrapers, Rockets to Mars, Killing Nature, Huge public private collective projects, High Speed Trains and such, free salaries and cheap rents.

Hey Toots,

Ford went south through the round $12 number like it wasn't even there. Way to go. You've managed to lose about 10% on that trade in 3 weeks. Pure genius. Maybe it's time to average down again at a lower "price point." Bwa ha ha ha.


That was all from:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=176094

Study it all carefully, you will be tested by JHK himself...

Wage: "Now I know why. Fabian was deleted?"

OMG, you're right! And so much of my own deathless prose has gone with him, because replies to his posts have been deleted as well. Serves me right for playing to a blatant troll.

Of course, I suppose all he needs is another disposable e-mail address and sufficient wit to invent another pseud. We can always hope.

When I read shit like this, I find it hard to tell if those writing it are serious....unless of course, you've been around here long enough to know that just about any form of blathering nonsense is possible. Reminds me of the movie "Deliverance",
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Do the research, come back and apologize, and I promise not to sodomize your sorry ass and make you squeal like a pig. Because if you would have done the research, you would have known that what I said is true. You're so predisposed to the upside down propaganda that they feed you, you instinctively dismissed what I said as absurd. It's called emotional capture.

DO THE RESEARCH !!

Good thing pro football signed a new agreement with the players so we can look forward to another season to distract us from reality.
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If you are in the percentage of the population which finds "corporate ball" all that exciting.

Because if you would have done the research, you would have known that what I said is true.
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The point is not whether it is true, the point is, it doesn't matter, cheese dick. Get it.

Karl Marx was paid agent of the Vatican/Bankers. As for the "long line of Rabbis", they are probably the same long line of Bnei Brit Litvaks/Polacks the Vatican is financing right now
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Sorry, I went back and read it again, and you're just fucking stupid....and a cheese dick.

"Do the research"
"if you would have done the research"
"DO THE RESEARCH !!"

You're saying you want us to do something? What might that be?

Dude, I am not privy to this new information that has come to light.

That was a funny one turk. Kind of a blast from the past.

dale!

Tell us what you really think bud...I'm not getting it.

Have you even done yer research yet, boy?

This is like some really wicked David Icke madlibs that is blowing my mind right now.

Probably published in this months issue of "Race Traitor Magazine". It's hard to tell if some of these idiots are simply insane, or just gullible beyond all stupidity.

Are you JHK or JFK? What do the H and the F stand for? Or are these two people actually one with the initials H.F?

As Charles Dexter Ward asked, Cannot a man be dual now and again?

But if a man becomes two, then that makes three including his "real" self.

It's a real magazine stupid - or at least it was. Are you just pretending to be this dense?

The point is not whether it is true, the point is, it doesn't matter, cheese dick. Get it.
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Whatever.

---About the CFN Troll---

Hi, all.

This is the deal in a nutshell, for the newbs.

There is a person who posts on this blog quite frequently using numerous different accounts.

Just between Monday and Tuesday of this week (!) they have included:

fabian
banfabian
auntie soake
xhalor

And probably others.

This person is (as far as I can tell) a professional TROLL with no life and no job. They have had MANY accounts in the past on this blog, starting with oneEyeOpen many years ago.

The "pissant" as he has been appropriately nicknamed, does not care about your ideas, your comments, or your point of view. If you disagree with it, you are inevitably dubbed a "fucktard" or "moron."

This trolling behavior seems to me like a child who wants the sandbox all to himself. So he poops in it. And he starts throwing poop at the other kids in the sandbox, many of whom promptly go play someplace else.

Well, the pissant has pooped in the sandbox too many times, and other kids want to play, too. And, frankly, it stinks.

SO, I have apprised JHK of the situation here in the comments section, and he is ON IT. If you send him a quick email with the pissant's new account information once he starts posting again, JHK will take a look at the posts, remove them, and ban him. I intend to do this when I spot them.

Trust me, all this person wants to do is get a rise out of you and make some momma jokes, and, at this point, the pissant has been banned probably about 15 times from this blog.

Please ignore them (which I intend to do from now on) and report flagrant abuse like multiple posting of trolls and flames from different accounts.

This has been a Clusterfuck Service Announcement from your host, Turkle. Carry on.

I'm assuming Vlad is one of its five subscribers.

Turkle,
I'd never seen that Icke guy before,....nice. I especially like the part about "mother loses custody battle to insane evil child killer". Did he leave that off his resume, or was she just a REALLY bad mother?

Anyway, thanks for the laughs, and I don't even want to know if this guy is serious or not.

What other handles does this old69 character use on here?

dale,

Did you get to the part about our Reptilian alien overlords from Alpha Centauri?

I was just trying to imagine what the centerfold would look like in "Race Traitor Mag". Get the visual? Here's the thing......she's black.

No...I'm just too wrapped up in the emerging "truth vibrations".

old69......could you restate all that text vomit you just wrote into a short 5 sentence explaination....?

It's a real magazine stupid - or at least it was.
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Did I say it wasn't?....I fully expected it was. Sounds like they may be having "circulation problems" though...huh?

Construction or Conflict ?

Notice how evolved and perfected technological products are: cars, jets, computers, etc. When there is a clear cut goal to reach and a clear path to reach it like technological constructions and products, manufacturing endeavors, constructing things, building things, a clear goal, etc. then Man can do miracles, it is under control, it can be achieved and is achieved very well (it also usually coincides with a closed product and not a process, etc. a kind of private like product a car versus a law or society problems etc), instead when politics, society, laws, morality, conflicts, that mega huge turd called DEMOCRACY (as in fight over everything and never achieve anything because no one is in control, no one dictates exactly what must be done, end of story) nothing works, everything breaks down, everything becomes a turd.

Thanks to environmentalists, greens, nature lovers, morality, protecting this and that, being good to this and that, well who gives two c*cks and a d*ck ? We need to force our wills, build skyscrapers and rockets,end of story.

Like the conflicts going on in Syria, now why are they all fighting each other ? because no one wanted to give all those people the basics that they need, cheap rents, a free salary to live, running water and such, end of story. Instead give the basics to all and from there on construct a future, build things, go forward, no more different opinions and democratic process blocking everytihng, no more fighting over everything, no more environmentalists saying NO to all endeavors and constructions and such.

Like usual, old69 is just cut and pasting irrelevant crap from some stupid iphilosophy blog, which is filled with nonsensical techno-optimist babble that isn't worth reading.

I'm currently lobbying that he be banned.

So what alternative to DEMOCRACY do you propose?

I'm actually thinking old69 is some kind of program or bot.

So David Icke doesn't exist either, right?

Yes you did imply that it never existed. You are such a Liar that you can't even keep it all straight. Don't feel bad - all modern Marxist Liberals are Liars just like you.

There's was no need for their continued publication - after all, they won. Now their bizarre, hateful message of White Non-Existence (cognitive terrorism) is now the official stance of the whole Western World.

Vlad, I'm sincerely interested how anyone with whom you disagree is automatically the 2nd coming of Karl Marx.

Is it all part of the vast sinister Communist/Liberal Conspiracy aimed at making fun of dumb hicks on internet blogs?

Turk, just to fill you in and so you don't make (even more) a fool out of yourself - Race Traitor Magazine is now real. It has come down from Commissar Dale. And remember, it was always real and will continue to always have been real until further notice. Truth is a function of expediency - whose? The Party's of course! We ALL have noticed your pliancy in this regard Comrade, and your future is bright indeed.

Hail Sargon!

Turkle, I'm glad you're on to this. I noticed a whole bunch of weird stuff going on with all these postings. At first I thought that Soak might have been using 'Auntie Soak' as a funny alter ego screen name. But, then I started seeing a whole bunch of profanity used by all these so-called individuals. It really looks like we are dealing with the same person. I don't mind folks saying critical things to or about me (even mean things) but I really want to know who I'm dealing with. Otherwise, I'm just wasting my time replying to them. I'm certain that Vlad is not using other screen names. He used to go by another name but that was a long time ago. My bet would be that whoever is posting as 'Fabian' is the culprit.

I'm going to post this now and then go away. I will not make any comments about these statements until later. Instead, I will let other JHK readers make their own comments and discuss.

Listed below are several of the arguments that have been used by misguided people to try and justify illegal immigration. Next to each is the reason why that argument has no merit.

1) They are an economic necessity - Not true. The idea that a bunch of desperately poor, uneducated, unskilled, non-English speaking foreigners are an economic necessity is ludicrous. In fact, when you compare cost vs. benefit, it is obvious that they are not only NOT a necessity, they are not even an asset. Rather, they are a liability and a huge one at that.

2) They do work Americans won’t do - Not true. They do work Americans won’t do for $7 an hour (especially if Americans can collect welfare and unemployment instead). Of course, if you got rid of the illegals, the jobs wouldn’t pay $7 an hour. The people who wanted the work done would have to pay a wage that was attractive enough to get Americans to do the work. And it might even be enough to get Americans off the unemployment and welfare dole and back into the taxpaying workforce!

3) We benefit from all that “cheap” labor - This is nonsense. The only people who benefit from the cheap labor are the unscrupulous people who hire illegal immigrants. Taxpayers are left holding the bag. Ultimately, it is they who must pay to support all the Americans who have been put out of work by illegals and must also provide billions of dollars in services and benefits to the illegals themselves.

4) They are just trying to make better lives - Aren’t we all? The difference is that most of us understand that we DO NOT have a right to acquire by illegal means those things that we find difficult to acquire by legal means. And we certainly don’t have the right to do it in a foreign country.

5) It is impossible to round up and deport the illegals - We don’t have to. All we have to do is remove the incentives that brought them here in the first place. No jobs. No housing. No taxpayer financed services or benefits (including education). Once we remove the incentives that brought them here, they will leave on their own.

6) Immigration control is racist / xenophobic - This is just another play of the race card by people who have no other cards to play. Immigration control is the world-wide status quo. There is nothing racist about it. Furthermore, the USA welcomes LEGAL immigrants of all races and ethnicities from all over the world who have gone through the legal immigration process. This is not just a bad argument, it is an attempt to create racial hatred and division.

7) We are a nation of immigrants - This is the “BIG LIE”. The vast majority of Americans are native-born. I am not an immigrant. Nor were my parents. Nor were my grandparents. We are a nation that has, historically, allowed and even encouraged LEGAL immigration. And we continue to do so. The issue at hand is illegal immigration, which has nothing to do with legal immigration.

8) They are people. We must treat them humanely - Yes & yes. But lets not pretend like they are victims who were dragged here kicking and screaming against their will. Nothing could be further from the truth. They came of their own free will and for their own benefit and they broke the law to do it. People should not be rewarded for breaking laws and committing crimes. Sending them home is the right thing to do. There is nothing “draconian” or “mean-spirited” about it.

9) It is wrong to break up families- Yes. Unfortunately, families are often broken up by criminal activity. If you don’t believe it, just drop by any prison or jail on visiting day. We can’t keep families together if some family members choose to participate in criminal activity.

10) They work & contribute to our society - So do I. And if I break the law and commit crimes, I can expect to pay a penalty of some kind. Anything from a small fine to the death penalty. I do not receive a reward. Why should we treat foreign criminals better than our own citizens?


Well, it worked! Fabian is gone (thank you, JHK) and I can and will not post here anymore. I enjoy reading the thoughtful comments and not trolls.

Could not agree with you more. Every point you make is well taken. The U.S. encouraged immigration when it needed the labor. It doesn't anymore. So stop it. Slow it down. Do it. I know plenty of people who will work for minimum wage if they can only get a job. Americans won't do the work? Bullshit! See how fast Congress weans the public off of Welfare, Social Security, Unemployment, Foodstamps. We'll see how slow these Americans are to get work and food on the freaking table.

Oh, and please before anyone hits me up for being a conservative who wants to get rid of Social Security, Medicare, unemployment, etc., save your breath. I rely on some of these programs. My whole point is to stop the immigration. To make Vlad happy, I'll include Swedes, Hungarians, Poles, Irish, whatever! Besides, anyone in their right minds from these countries would be jumping out of the proverbia frying pan and into the pan.

And please don't point out to me that my own folks were starving Irish immigrating in 1840. The Civil War was about to end and they needed new "nigger" labor.

I'm sorry to have used such harsh terms. The doctor said I could cut way back on my meds. I'm starting to awaken. Things are worse than when I'd left. Thanks for all the well wishes!

Well how much of a Catholic could he be if he had affairs with many women? He's what we call a "Kennedy Catholic".

Not sure you're right about that: William F Buckley was a "Catholic" and also a member of Skull and Bones, the very heart of the WASP power stucture. Now the Church forbids membership in secret socieities so he wasn't a real Catholic either.

Tony Blair became a Catholic as soon as he stepped down as Prime Minister - one of his last acts was to secure the funding of abortion. A "Blair Catholic". Apparently Blair needs a forum in which to wreak mayhem.

Why does the Church tolerate this? They have been infiltrated at the highest levels.

I live on one of top floors of a large, high-rise apartment building in Hong Kong. The building management is justifiably concerned about objects inadvertantly falling off the building which because of the height might fall and hurt someone below. This seems to be such a problem in Hong Kong that dropping anything off of a building in Hong Kong is a "strict liability offense". In other words, intent is irrelevant. If you do it, you're guilty.

In any case, it seems that a sociopath has moved into my apartment building. According to a notice posted in the elevator, it seems that someone likes to throw "fast food" out of their apartment window. They don't even bother to throw it in the trash. They just hurl it out the window, like some ancient pueblo indian. Their anti-social contempt for humanity is so great that they rain french fries, half-eaten burgers, grease, salt and fat onto the faceless masses below, like some god in the heavens.

Think about it....

Resource constraint leads to economic collapse, which, in turn, leads to sociopathic behavior. The world goes nuts. Living in The End Times....

And perhaps a glimpse into life in this country, circa 2017?

So the credit rating agencies are going to downgrade the country's credit rating, huh? The same credit agencies that were stamping "AAA" all over the CDO/CDF poison that got us to where we are now?

Their anti-social contempt for humanity is so great that they rain french fries, half-eaten burgers, grease, salt and fat onto the faceless masses below, like some god in the heavens.

Think about it....
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Great, yet another way to die from fast food, really fast food.

Yes you did imply that it never existed. You are such a Liar that you can't even keep it all straight
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O.K. Vladdie, let's test your research skills, please post the quote where I said RTM didn't exist.

The point is not whether it is true, the point is, it doesn't matter, cheese dick. Get it.
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Whatever.
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Sorry to be so rude. What I should have said is; we already have received our chesse dick allocation this year from chesse dick central, so perhaps you could go back to headquarters and get reassigned. I understand they have a vacancy over at blaringvacuumhead.com. Best of luck to you.

While you do demonstrate some chessedick tendencies, and could be hiding the truth about your real persona on this board, I have to say in one respect I agree with you.

In recent years immigration was allowed to occur at levels much higher than in the past, and assimilation has been strained as such, so in that respect I believe your argument has merit.

Sure - 5:08 in response to Turk's 5:04. Total mockery. It's SO much easier for you to slander people than to google. It's ALWAYS your first response. You should be ashamed - but you wont be since there's not enough "you" to feel such a thing. All Super Ego and Id.

So I just came in from walking my dogs about a mile. The insects are unbelievable in the woods now. . From the crickets count and my watch they are right on target.I don't know how they do it but the little six-legged sumbitch's are right on the money. They will still be singin' in the trees when we are all gone.
http://entomology.unl.edu/k12/crickets/temperature.htm

Sorry to be so rude.
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You're uncomfortable with the truth, well, too bad. Now, fsck off.

Pucker,

People have been pissing in public swimming pools and throwing rocks from interstate highway bridges for as long as I can remember. In fact, as a kid a friend and I decided it would be a fun idea to tee up some golf balls into some incoming traffic. Fortunately, no one was hit, but some enraged Hoss chased us down and nearly beat the living shit out of us with a nine iron. We never did it again.

It seems the vast majority of posters here wether progressive or conservative favor an end to more immigration at this time. I would bet a nation wide poll would get the same results. when I first started posting I thought I was the only one on this blog that leaned this way besides Vlad. From what I have seen south of the Rio Bravo and from overseas video, you can't blame people from wanting to come here. The nation of immigrants argument is a dead paradigm in the peak everything world. The reason for that is we are at peak people if the country values quality of life.

So, here is a couple of Katydid tunes.
The first is is an early Steely Dan tune
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTDRd0Z0O4o
now we have bugs!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIovz948rYA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q7cx8i4lUk

It's like Avatar, only we never notice the beauty and wonder around us. So we destroy it for profit and personal gratification. Yea, I'm on board widdat! Sheet, I got me an SUV! I'm a gonna go on don to mackdonalds and get me a fry an' a mac! Afta I be stoppin' by da welfare ossif an all. Ok, flame me now.

"Listed below are several of the arguments that have been used by misguided people to try and justify illegal immigration. Next to each is the reason why that argument has no merit."
-dolanW-

Nice list of arguments. The only thing that I would suggest adding is that many of the same arguments can be made against LEGAL immigration, also.

Policy makers and citizens of the US need to have an honest conversation about where the upper limits of growth for the US should be set. At some point, the country must be declared full.

If replacements for fossil fuels in agriculture and electricity production are not forthcoming -

then that point was reached long ago, and at a much lower population number than we have here today.

There are some excellent organizations dedicated to reduction of immigration into the US. I suggest joining one or more of them.

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On another note - soak must have been banned along with fabian.

Otherwise he would be having a conniption fit by now, about how desirable legal and illegal immigrants and open borders are.

I have a friend who came here from Poland about 35 years ago or so, and she confirms what you say Miss Myrtle May.

Yeah I wish I could do that legal Pot thing, I live in CA so could, as I have major disc pain, but the stuff makes me too self concious, and well paranoid.

So I have been taking too many meds recently also and I think it shows in my posts.
Makes me less positive, as I usually am.

Take it Easy !
:)

"It's SO much easier for you to slander people than to google. It's ALWAYS your first response."

Is this is a joke? When was the last time you didn't call me a Marxist Liberal at least once in the week's comments?

In fact, you constantly suggest that anyone who disagrees with you here is some kind of raging red Communist infiltrator. You anointed dale, of all people, as some kind of liberal/communist/socialist kingpin, and I'm betting he has about 10 times your net worth and has run his own businesses. I think he's a landlord, from what I recall, or he was. Some goddam arch-Marxist that is.

And then you've got the temerity to turn around and say that others are slandering you after you go after them like a latter day Joe McCarthy.

Get real, whack job! You're out there flapping.

Weimar met Waterloo marching to Pretoria!

The United States can't honestly be seen becoming more and more like South Africa under apartheid. Just because poor people and people of color are being disenfranchised from voting (let's hear it from Scott Walker!), just because right-wingers are moving to restrict abortion and sex education, just because so many blacks live in squalid, dysfunctional towns and cities and are trapped in menial jobs, just because there's an ongoing attack on homosexuals, just because a few justices of the peace are refusing to marry interracial couples, just because the Republican party is laying the groundwork to be in control of the federal government for decades once they win back the Presidency and the Senate, just because there will be few if any social services in this country in the near future, just because other countries will divest from American interests if the debt ceiling isn't raised in time, just because white people will someday be outnumbered by everyone else but will still control everything, that doesn't mean we're headed to a period of a legally sanctioned social arrangement in which we're separate but . . . unequal.

From my blog (www.stevenmaginnis.blogspot.com), July 27, 2011.

The United States can't be seen "as" becoming . . .

In the unpredictable realm of dreams I watched my grandmother and mother discuss the roses in bloom. I looked where they looked, with giant pedals of every imaginable color filling the sky. Tears collected in the dimple lakes of my spirit.

Till the garden - oh yeah. But how to till the mind and spirit, where the amazing and spontaneous moment yields beauty, awe, and mystery for the remainder of one’s life? I certainly don’t know, meditation perhaps, but I vividly recall at least three or four dreams for years now and maybe an idea or two. One of those ideas is that the demon flashing in the dark house of worship needs to be met with the overwhelming force of the light switch - like destroying like. No appeasing or yielding, just Michael dropping the sword.

It's a real humdinger of a red-white-and-blue clusterfuck sandwich, isn't it? My friend, you have come to the right place.

BTW, that's one hell of a run-on sentence. Have you thought about inserting some periods in there?

and I'm betting he has about 10 times your net worth and has run his own businesses. I think he's a landlord, from what I recall, or he was. Some goddam arch-Marxist that is.
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You can't be that ignorant? Can you? Marx himself lived a life of an English bourgeoisie. Most modern day Marxists are wealthy middle class and upper class. That's because the only difference between Marxism and Fascism is the "colors" of the government mafia.

Anyway, I think most people are cultural Marxists. It's almost in the air we breath. I'm a cultural Marxists. And Marx was quite correct in his observations regards the spiritual alienation that follows capitalism. Where Marx went wrong is in his prescription. Same as Anders Breivik. Correct about the problem, wrong about the solution.

Thanks a lot, pal! I think you just short-circuited my bullshit meter.

"You can't be that ignorant? Can you?"

Or....maybe I just need to DO THE RESEARCH!

I actually was meaning and almost used the word Triangle. Seriously. Isn't communication - language a trip ?

More like a premonition?

Or....maybe I just need to DO THE RESEARCH!
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The ignorant lazy fsck. Here you go:

Lecture on Karl Marx (1818-1883)‬‏ - YouTube - http://goo.gl/II0gZ

Yeah, man, I haven't done all the deep youtube research...I sit at the foot of the master.

Thanks Cash
xoxoxoxoxox

You're lucky you were offline, cuz fabian was The Worst Poster Ever. Really Rude and Crude and no class whatsoever. Actually I wish you would have been around to kick his ass !

I am around, just won't be posting so much drama stuff. I went off the deep end recently, and wasn't too clear headed.

I'm good now, well headed in the right direction anyway.

LOL



I actually DO notice the Beauty and Wonder around.
Well I moved to a Beautiful Area years ago for that reason. But I know what you mean.
Most people are rushing around like crazy.
Driving themselves crazy.
get it ? Driving. I made a point to set up my life so I didn't have to commute to work, and never have more than 20 miles.
And almost never more than 5. Waste of time and too much stress for me.

I have Never eaten a burger from Mac D's ! I should be famous for that alone ! I had a Foster Freeze burger once. way back. I like burgers homemade. Barbque is the best. Yummy. I am hungry haven't eatin dinner yet, it's 10pm. got stuck on here !

THANK YOU for helping get rid of fabian etc.
Worst of the worst.

I almost emailed JHK but had to do something that made my computer not protected to do it, and I know little to nothing about computers, so I didn't do it.
Almost snail mailed him.

Glad you spoke up. I think sj mom went away for awhile cuz of him. He was COMPLETELY out of line on that one. I think that was him.
I am tired.
there were a couple of JERKS.

Thanks again. and good night to all my pals.


Hey Dolan- Great post on the subject of illegal immigration. And as Progress2Conserve points out, it equally applies to the issue of legal immigration...sorry Soak, but your magnanimous
support for 'open borders' is totally insane. The vast majority of Americans, left, right and center, know this to be case. So why does it continue?
In my experience in the building trades, it seems that the hard assed "Bossman" types who bring in the illegals-you know, the guys who actually give them jobs-landscaping,mowing, pounding nails, humping wheelbarrows around ect. these guys are all , without exception, politically conservative. Uber-conservative. They hate anybody (particularly the damn Gubmint!) that tries to tell them how they should run their business - you know,stupid things like the minimum wage, workplace safety laws, environmental protection laws, building codes ect.
That's why I find it comical that the whole illegal immigration mess seems to be such a hot button issue for conservatives, when (from what I have actually seen) it is always always always conservative contractors and landscapers who are handing out the jobs and cash to the illegals. Conservatives both hate illegal immigrants as well as the government that should be enforcing our labor and immigration laws. You know the jazz- "Tell the government to keep its damn dirty hands off of our small businesses!" And so the illegal immigration continues unabated.
Seems a little contradictory to me...


As in the relation between information inputs and sequence of symbols and sensory inputs and emotional responses and pain/pleasure responses and memory triggers and such. How to connect these, how many variations, elaborations are possible ? And what comes first the emotional responses create the informational symbols or is it the informational symbols create the emotional responses and such ?

As in not only can't the pissed off loser match up to anyone or anything, but anything anyone does is another slap in the face another punch in the face of the pissed off loser, any gain, even if imagined, even if not real or existent is automatically seen as another huge loss, as a punishment for the pissed off loser, even just the fact that a person is not killing themselves or raging with hate but just normal and indifferent is interpreted by the pissed off loser as that person having infinitely more than the loser, so the loser is ever more pissed off, ever more jealous, raging with hate, pent up devastating hate and rage and hysterically insane with the desire to punish and get even and such.

And why do certain people connect well between each other but the pissed off loser can't connect with anyone ? why does 2 or more people communicate and connect and have fun (not to even mention sex which is another huge can of worms killing and crushing the pissed off loser) and the pissed off loser is alone in his rage and hate and all ? why is he disconnected ? just because, because that is the hand of cards god dealt him, because he is simply more of a turd than your normal slob, end of story. Hence, may the pissed off loser lose ever more, suffer ever more and punish himself ever more, he will be ok, god is awaiting him to give him infinite pain in hell when he dies, so he better appreciate this huge suffering he gets on earth as he still hasn't seen anything yet. Kill all hope, kill all optimism, that is the way to go.

As in the change an entity undergoes defines the entity, how it interacts and changes according to other elements and events and items touching and colliding with it. Each new interaction defines the element in a completely new way, so each new interaction is a completely new creation, a new universe, a new laws of physics and such. As how a person or thought path interacts with a new information or situation, or how a group of people interact to a new situation and such. The group or person or whatever is defined as A, but no one would have ever imagined that it could become B from certain interactions and stimulations and such. A dormant item, steady for years then all of a sudden becomes something totally unrelated, that even the item itself would never had imagined it could become, or it was, or was it ever anything but only always instantaneous information interactions and relationships that can never been known, than can always be a completely new surprise, never be able to be predicted, as the equation that pops up was not contained within its inital set ? The change constantly redefines what the element was and constantly redefines and reinvents the entire past and meaning and existence of what the element was and is and will be.

On the Instant Singularity, since every new configuration of Mass Energy designed to respond to inputs and associated to memories, a kind of consciousness or whatever (no matter how far out, no matter how many completely new elements and items and such) then collides with any other Mass Energy configuration (which could be another mind, or a mind within another mind, an infinite recursion of minds containing other minds and such), then the experience it undergoes is equivalent to a new universe, a new set of laws of physics, an new big bang, a new creation every time, so trillions of new laws of physics, new universes, new big bangs for very picoseond of interaction the modified, wild, crazy and saturated with wild symbols and wild signals mind undergoes with other chunks of matter, and the delimitation of the mind, is it just a small atom or a molecule or an entire planet, a planet sized mind interacting with a single electron and such.

You can do it man, invent it all, lie to yourself, make it all up, the Instant Singularity is the invention of itself, it invents its own existence.

Beware when the economists and politicians talk about "solutions" for the "economy", they always talk in sweeping, large scale ideas and concepts that essentially remain undefined, vague, mostly fake and made up, so that they can mean everything and nothing, like "innovation", "economic growth", "skills", "competition" "productivity" and such: most of these concepts are so vague and fluffy, so undefined that they can mean and be and represent anything at all, but mostly mean, that they "have no solution, but make up a lot of fancy words to say nothing and make it seem as if they have solutions (to problems that have no solutions) and they know what they are talking about".



Hey give us back the troll pissant, he was fun! Please don't let this site become boring, he made it exciting and entertaining, I had a good lot of laughs from it, come on, don't be a party popper...

dickweed...

Man, I am sure glad Congress kicked that can down the road again - now I can get back to watching "Wipeout" and eating my cheese doodles. Like 99% of the rest of America. (eyes glazing over, going to sleep now - ...........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz)

We invent new problems with the hope that maybe we can win in solving them, since we can't solve the old problems. So we constantly invent new endeavors, situations, problems (and subtly try to make them easy to solve, or make believe they are hard, but then solve them), so in that case we win, we won, etc. constant changing problems, create them until you qualify to solve them, the contents of the problems is irrelevant.

On immigration:

1) Up until a few hundred years ago, any population that tried to go into the territory of any other would have been considered an "invasion" an act of "war", hence those invading would have to fight it out, and would probably lose and be beaten, end of story. They would consider our "moralistic mentality" of "feeling for others", accepting others (as they run from their poverty and such) completely absurd and irrational, they knew people are always enemies, are always confrontations, are always out to get you, they knew that there was always resource contention and fight, they didn't have any doubt: shoot them and kill them end of story.

2) The only reason people move around is because they are denied the basics in their own country, nay, the basics are mostly denied to everyone in all countries just because, because of an old fashioned idiotic ideology and mentality where "you have to deserve it" and such nonsense: in all truth the Technological Economy has done away with the "resource scarcity" and "resource contentions" that we have always had, now everything could be given to everyone virtually for free. But people "love to hate and fight" more than anything else, love to deny others what they need (and in the meanwhile always talk about the poor thid world and such crap), but the basics could easily be given to anyone almost for free since they are simply a small decent hosuing unit (very easy to build and construct and there are 15 million empty homes in the USA and 20 million empty homes in Europe from Lisbon to Moscow), running water, a small basic free salary to eat, END OF STORY.

Not hard at all to achieve, could be done in a jiffy, but people are turds, they are all brainwashed on overpopulation, they mostly have the urge to beat the living daylights out of everyone else, they love violence and war, they want to kill, they want to fire workers, layoff workers, punish and all kinds of things. People love to see others lose, end of story.


ph*trd says:

"What other handles does this old69 character use on here?"

turkle
fabian
progress,conserve
cash
JHK himself
Bustin J
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and many others.

Spelling error correction:

2) The only reason people move around is because they are denied the basics in their own country, nay, the basics are mostly denied to everyone in all countries just because, because of an old fashioned idiotic ideology and mentality where "you have to deserve it" and such nonsense: in all truth the Technological Economy has done away with the "resource scarcity" and "resource contentions" that we have always had, now everything could be given to everyone virtually for free. But people "love to hate and fight" more than anything else, love to deny others what they need (and in the meanwhile always talk about the poor third world and such crap), but the basics could easily be given to anyone almost for free since they are simply a small decent housing unit (very easy to build and construct and there are 15 million empty homes in the USA and 20 million empty homes in Europe from Lisbon to Moscow), running water, a small basic free salary to eat, END OF STORY.

The biggest tragedy of our times is that we have lost the moral values on which our society was built.
Lies are the normality and young people believe in them as the new mean to build their life.
Lying, committing crimes are not accountable, not punished.
The bigger the crime the more chances you have to profit and being unpunished.
The second tragedy is that we have no mean whatsoever to rebuild them.
The Media are in the hands of the very people who do not want it, schools are in the hands of the wrong people.
And the third tragedy is that we know and we see and we cannot do anything about it.(or very little)
If the collapse of our society was the beginning of a new Era, well it would be very welcome.


Hey turkle become fabian again and start insulting everyone as usual, that is so cool and so much fun, it is so true also, everything everyone writes is so wrong, useless and stupid, long live tootsie and fabian and the other sock puppets you write to let out your true self finally, to be free with what you really think, let it all out man, you can do it, let it all out, don't be shy, insult and be as nasty as possible.

Spelling error correction:

Hey give us back the troll pissant, he was fun! Please don't let this site become boring, he made it exciting and entertaining, I had a good lot of laughs from it, come on, don't be a party pooper...

dickweed...


Other old69's handles are:

San Jose' Mommy
Alexandra


Alexandra says:

"Make believe you are the Instant Singularity, you really become it, because the Instant Singularity thrives on falsity and lies and converts itself into truth..."

As if truth and lies mean anything, they are a joke, they are inventions themselves, they are disjoint entities in opposition measuring and reciprocally defining themselves, hence are false, hence don't exist anyways as there is no absolute reference system only the two items talking to each other, which means, taken as a whole as a single set the two items are just one, talking to itself, which means inventing any crap at all, since there is no control, and such...

Vis a vis your comments on the catholicity of WF Buckley and Tony Blair plus the integrity of the Catholic church itself it needs to be pointed out that the traditional center of gravity in Christianity was more in the east than in the latin west, and that moreover, Eastern Orthodox monks refer to the Pope as "the chief of all the protestants." So, the Roman Catholic Church doesn't need to be "infiltrated" in order to be dysfunctional because R.C. clerics have been effectively fucking themselves for centuries.

People forget, or likely never knew in the first place, that the original liturgies were in Greek, not Latin, and that the majority of the bishops attending the Coucil of Nicea in Asia Minor were Greek, not Latin.

The Greeks have traditionally regarded the simpering Jesus of the latin west as " the bearded lady". The Latin "Franks" also introduced various innovations which directly lead to the protestant rebellion, hence, the appellation "chief of the protestants". To be fair there was one Ecumenical Patriarch of the Eastern Churches who had Calvinistic sympathies, but his heresies were not adopted as the standard. And also, the iconoclasts were similarly overcome in time, an event which is still celebrated on Orthodoxy Sunday when the icons were reinstated to the churches of Byzantium.

Similarly, there were no medieval dark ages in Byzantium nor was there any perceived need for a renaissance or an enlightenment. The Latin west is viewed as rationalistic and alienated from true spirituality in the eastern churches.

Tony Blair was a high church Anglican who waited to convert to Catholicism until he was out of office. William F. Buckley considered himself to be an English Catholic which is why he was invited by PBS to be a commentator on the original broadcast of "Brideshead Revisited". The reason Buckley thought like this, other than having an English name, is that he attended prep-school at the Portsmouth Benedictine Priory in Newport, RI which is run by the English congregation of the Catholic Benedictines and where many of the teaching monks have been Englishmen. English Catholics are more old fashioned and "high church" than American Catholics.

"My gut says it is time to be out of the markets (all of them), to turn paper assets into productive assets (garden tools, fences, compost, solar panels, etc) where possible, and upstock supply levels of necessities. "

You will probably be forced to leave it all behind.

Don't fool yourself, just paper cash is your best bet, leave as much cash in your house and bank as possible and don't buy anything at all. You will probably have to move if things get really bad, you won't do anything with fences, solar panels, etc. you won't be able to live where you are probably (only very few can stay in most suburbs, costs too much to get water and electricity and such to such remote and stretched out places). Just be ready to move some place else real fast where things are a little better, there is no escape strategy, no solution, just keep cash and save it.

Yeah buddy, you will go where the WATER is, that will become the most important "product", nay, the only product that matters, it will be funny to see how everything, virtually everything we have bar none becomes worth a BIG FAT ZERO when you are simply thirsty. When water finishes you can roll over and die, or slug it out with other people and die anyways. How I would love it for 7 billion people on earth to just kill themselves and get out of the way, what a pain in the a*s they all are, why don't they (and all of you) just roll over and die ?

From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=163929

"Those few that still think, being that thinking will be one of the first activities to end, given that its "energy return on energy invested would be hugely negative", being that people couldn't manipulate or change anything anymore, so thought would mostly disappear, but those that would think that there was once running water, free water coming out of a faucet would be flabbergasted and amazed. Just having water, drinking some dirty polluted water from the crowded wells, will seem like absolute paradise, and they would think, people really once had water for free ? from faucets ? they will never believe it. It is like a trillion years of technological evolution according to our "fairy tale extrapolation" of science and technology are closer to us than free water will be closer to them. A technological singularity, a virtual reality matrix is closer and more understandable to us, than just having water will be to them. Just to drink will seem like an absolute paradise after the end of free energy comes to be. There will only be a few millions left on earh after more than 6 billion just starved and died. People got sick and died, there would be no doctors or "health care", another absolute science fiction item that people would never believe existed.

People will sleep in cars, all the old rusting chevys and buicks, those will be their homes since the old wood homes will have all been burnt to keep warm, and they will think "these once moved ?" how on earth is it even conceivable !?!? our beds once moved by that magic piece of iron in the hood and some mysterious black liquid ?!?! That is not even imaginable many will think. Another thing that will disappear is TIME. Time will flow ever more slowly, everything will flow in an increasingly slow motion. Why measure time, when nothing can happen ? nothing can change, all the motors are turned off, there is no more electricity, computers will be mysterious black boxes, people will look at them as some kind of mysterious magic boxes of the past, maybe some alien civilization left them, who knows what they did or how they "worked". Why, did things actually "work" once ? No all this can't be true, it must be some god that came down to the earth and describe a science fiction - metaphysical paradise, it must have all been invented by some mind going crazy because it didn't drink some water after a few days."


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=176094

Blocks of text never end as if language and thought are a self multiplying machine, symbols that generate other symbols and on forever, a never ending decoding of all, a self constructing entity using people and their minds as mirrored in other minds as reflections of new blocks of text, new constructions, a self generating universe full of symbols...

Now that I said this crap I am OK...Now I am OK... No, I am never OK....

Hey clusterfuckers
Not a bad essay this week, but the significance of the grand theater we saw seems lost on most people. As I have said before there are not 2 political parties in the US, there is only 2 wings of the same party. The rich and those who want to be richer and don't mind crushing the "little people" to get what they want. See Paul Ryan's plan as a prime example, that smiling little crocodile can look people right in the face and say " This cut in social security is good for you, this cut in corporate taxes is good for you." Obama's plan isn't much better. Point is politicians are almost exclusively very affluent and they want to stay that way. Hence the budget cut mania that will be taken out of the hides of all who might really need that social security check that, after all most, have paid into all of their working lives. I have no problem with ending social security, just give me back every dime I have paid in over my working life!

Anyway why is everyone making a fuss over some ghostly computer code being passed off as money these days, that can easily be erased. See Mom no more debt! The fact is the monetary system is no longer connected to real resources, the labor needed to change those resources into finished goods or valuations of goods that match the actual socalled salary base available to purchase those goods. What we are witnessing is a readjustment of the real economy that is dragging the socalled financier( ghostly computer code) based economy back where it should be, to the real world.

Cheer up all, there will be life after the great implosion.


loveday

Actually, there is a very good reason to create make believe causes and effects to explain economic problems and propose solutions: so that you can pass a special agenda, with the excuse of creating "growth" or "jobs" you can pass all kinds of biased politics (almost always going in favor of the already super rich) and all kinds of cuts, firings, you name it, always explaining the reason with imaginary, make believe linearities and causes and effects like "tax cuts will create jobs" and such: the real goal is simply the tax cuts, the creating jobs part is a convenient excuse that oddly no one ever challenges (because they are totally brainwashed ?) or maybe don't give a crap, or they all like to lie and sustain any crap as long as it has a large enough consensus: if everyone believes in a lie (many lies actually), that lie becomes automatically the truth, or say the same lie over and over again and it becomes the truth and such.

But shame on me for being so naive, everyone knows that everything is fake, false, is a make believe, everyone knows that jobs are no longer necessary and meaningless and tax cuts will just help the rich and so forth and so on, they all just play along for the fun of it, to see how far the lies can go, to see how far they can all get away saying lies of all kinds forever and such, and enjoying and considering anyone that criticizes as naive and babyish, what the heck doesn't he still get it that it is all a make believe system of contrasting and dominating interests and that everything that is said is just a bunch of BS and crap, just a formality, just to put on a show ?

Historia magistra vitae.

History of Money: The Money Masters 2/2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HonLv9K2nxo

Even though I saw something similar some time ago, this video, in two parts, but the second so clearly explains the situation...
I ask myself: if everybody knows, why nobody does anything?
Are these banksters so powerful that millions of people cannot do anything against them?

Because we know that another mind is behind an item ? Is that why that item becomes important ? but other minds on the internet are behind anything, are they important ? and why are other minds important anyways ? or is it just one mind reflected in metaphysical mirrors acting as make believe separate minds ? and the judgment of any mind is the judgment you deal to anything ? and what value can that have, being that you know that your judgment is a quirk, a random fluke, not based on anything, just some associations with pain/pleasure and sensations or expectations but irrelevant, the mind as an irrelevant variable ?

My notebook crashed, I installed the Xp all over losing "everything", wow did it improve, even the antivirus is no longer present but the antivirus "is" the virus in that it slowed down the machine hugely: but more importantly the computer never worked so well now that it is all gone and I have only the bare minimum on it, so this goes to show in a general sense, we store loads of crap that we will never use both physically and mentally, and we believe in loads of imaginary threats (like viruses or sicknesses and global warming) that are irrelevant and just bog down everything, just are a useless weight on everything: free your minds, throw everything away, get rid of everything, don't believe in all the threats (even because no matter what, something will get you one way or another in the end, life is like playing a game of chess against god, he makes you win but then in the end you will lose no matter what, so don't avoid any loss you will have anyways, you are doomed to lose, you can just "kick the can (the consequence, you avoided that bad thing with the airbag, but got run over while walking the next day) down the road" but can't avoid to lose in the end anyways) and scaredy cat threats (entire industries make their living on all kinds of paranoia like airbags, avoiding this sickness and that, and such), get rid of 99 % of thoughts and problems and all kinds of crap in the mind.

The mind brain is excess capacity achieved, it has too many clock cycles to know what to do with itself so it invents its own problems and becomes its own prisoner like computer viruses and anti viruses, or filling up hard disks with all your "precious stuff" (who cares ? it is all a huge pile of trash anyways!!!) saving and keeping "your past" or the past events or memories (filling physical storages (in the USA buildings used to save all your old junk, but we are always all old junk anyways) or hard disks with a huge amount of useless crap like this very block of text) and all such huge pile of crap, and so forth and so on. Kill values, kill anything that seems valuable, kill any sense of values or importance of anything (especially people things) and all, kill it all, it deserves to all die.

Now, am I ok after writing this ? Am I ok ? No, I am never OK....

Yeah, man, I haven't done all the deep youtube research...I sit at the foot of the master.
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Or at least tell us the minute in that lecture where the guy gives convincing proof that Marx was a vatican spy, or whatever. Unlike our friend Vlad, I have a few things I need to do on a day to day basis and don't have the time to spend watching every wack jobs u-tube postings.

Fsck off.

humping wheelbarrows around ect.

building codes ect.
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It's "etc." Ned. The t comes between the e and the c, not after. It amazes me (actually it doesn't as will be explained below) that you have seen and read "etc." what? at least a million times in your life? yet you have NOT noticed the correct spelling of this 3-letter abbreviation.

BTW, the unabbreviated word is etcetera. Notice the first 3 letters?

I checked my 4-inch thick Random House Dictionary and found that there are 37 entries of words and acronyms that begin with e c t but there are only 4 words (other than etcetera itself, its abbreviation etc. and its Latin form et cetera) that begin with e t c and all are related to the word "etch." Therefore, there are NO words (other than etcetera itself) that begin with the pronunciation "et set."

This explains your use of "ect." You are influenced by the usual and don't notice the unusual.

A similar thing was happening yesterday when Auntie Soake wrote superfulous rather than superfluous.

Although, at this point, you would like to bash my head in with a sledge hammer I will suffer your disapproval in the expectation of never seeing "ect." again in your future posts ... nor the posts of other commenters reading this, since you are not the only offender.

Turkle,
What makes you think Vlad has any "net worth" at all? My guess is he's living in a single wide on social security month to month.....you know....the commie retirement program.

As Vlad so eloquently points out, communists are free to be successful; but there's one thing pretty consistent about our racist friends, they are failures roughly 99.9% of the time. After all, that's how they got there, casting about for someone to blame for their problems.

Vlad like's to talk about Id and Superid.....Freudian horseshit, but when it comes to the common sense psychology needed to face his own emotional problems, he throws snake eyes every time. 'Not me baby, I'm not responsible for being a loser, THEY did it to me.' Dorian Gray...indeed. Textbook stuff, for which you don't even need a textbook.

BTW....you're Irish, yes? What are you seeing over there in terms of the economy and social issues?

Fsck off.
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Better watch out Qshtik gonna be on your ass! Why do I get the feeling that if I watch the whole hour long lecture, I wouldn't see any proof of your point?


"All the stuff we erected to live our lives in - the stupendous armature of highways, strip malls, suburban houses, skyscraper condos, sewer systems, electric grids - is beyond our power to repair now. "

Mode of usage of the USA: by cars. The only way to use the USA is by cars. It would cost peanuts to get a complete BUS system up and running in the USA, but someone said that it wastes almost as much gasoline as cars anyways because of the weight of the BUS or such. Oh well, there goes down the drain the BUS solution, so as usual there is no solution. Hate me, I hate myself, I am a wimp, a pissed off loser, a weakling, I want to fail because I don't want the responsability of succeeding and living up to expectations therefore I fail even more than I should, just like a coward, a pussy whip, wimp, anonymous coward - wimp - weakling, I hate myself and you should too (hate me or myself ? or are we the same ?). Love failing, fail real fast and as much as possible this way you can escape any chore, any responsability, any work (or especially hard work) you can run away fast like an anonymous coward just like me and be lazy and then blame it on others, you can do it man, go man go.

Overpopulation myth: I saw maps.google.com and saw street views of London and Mexico City: what total turds of cities, with crappy small homes 90 % of them are made up of (all puny 2 floor buildings, go figure) ! Incredible crap, no high technology applied to living there, if they would build 10 to 15 floor modern elegant apartment buildings like they have in Southern Europe Madrid, Rome or Seoul they can easily host at least 10 times their population: oh I forgot, then how can they justify the high real estate prices in those two turds of cities ? incredible, and then they talk about overpopulation, resource scarcity and other lies (but have a keen eye on their wallets), oh the deceptions never end, the lies, and such. Man is just so turdy, they could host a hundred times their population with buidings like Hong Kong, what crap heads, hate them with all your guts, two turd cities choosing to use low technology, crappy old crap housing just because, becasue they suck.

Hide a thought by another, all of thought is just trying to distract itself from another thought (or from itself), thoughts hiding behind others and so on forever, but if it is hiding from itself ? An infinite recursion of thoughts hiding from itself and other thoughts...

All of life is just fighting other will powers (but especially your own), the eternal fight of others and their free will, they will always contradict you and deceive you, and yet keep on fighting other free wills expecting that the outcome can be different: no way jose', you will always fight other free wills and lose (unless you have power and can somehow force it).

The only relevant sentence in your screed is the second sentence of number 3 - "the only people who benefit from illegal labor are the unscrupulous people who hire illegal immigrants".

All your other points are superfluous.

Your are a peon, as are the vast majority of us. Your thoughts, your opinions, your outrage - none of that matters.

People who matter want cheap labor, and that is why they can truck in cheap laborers.

And, as Prog points out, legal immigrants also take jobs that Americans would be willing to do - such as nurses, doctors, engineers and college professors.

You are right, however, in that prisons break up families.

Max Keiser pointed out on his last show that US taxpayers pay $600 billion to lock up our fellow Americans, more, by far, than any other country on this planet. Medicare costs $400 billion.

Don't you have any problem with this other than prescribing more family breakup for immigrants?

What they'll do is what they've done in the US, stop making openable windows, forcing the inhabitants to rely on fossil fuels to heat and cool themselves.

What happened to asoka? Did he get banned also?

Or is he embarrassed about making an easily checked prediction, now proven wrong.

He dissed Michael Hudson's assertion that this was all Kabuki theater, that Wall Street would never allow a default, and that Social Security and Medicare were the targets of the entire scam.

Here it is, August 3rd, and it turns out that Michael Hudson was dead on right.

Unfortunately for the American people.

Whoa Baby!! This is starting (haha, "starting" he says) to be a nightmare for you, isn't it Tootsie? Ford dipped to $11.36 this morning.

BTW, it appears you've been banned AGAIN. But this is nothing new and I for one look forward to your return under a new name. (Apparently only Old69 and I get a kick out of your endless insults.)

And speaking of names I've always marveled how completely different the names are that you've chosen ... no common thread, no rhyme or reason ... well, except when you went through a period of doubling up as in Tsa Tsa, Ling Ling, Dick Dick, Head Head, etc.

Just curious, how do you come up with these new screen names?

Politics sure are funny. The Tea Party is furious because the debt ceiling was raised and the cuts were way too small ($1 trillion). Rush Limbaugh and his right wing nutters are screaming it non-stop on the radio. The Republicans are furious because the Tea Party freaks outmaneuvered them and destroyed their majority leader John Boehner. And the liberal Dems aren’t happy either because the rich weren’t forced to pay their fair share. The Tea Party/GOP also lost out on their secondary goal to impeach Obama if he tried using the 14th Amendment to keep the US from defaulting.

The country did NOT default. Debts will be paid. And the largest debt reduction plan in the history of the country has been passed. Not only that but now women’s birth control will be FREE under everyone’s health care insurance, reducing BOTH the number of abortions and the number of children raised on welfare. The Bush tax breaks are about to sunset and the rich will finally lose their free ride hence increasing needed revenue. The wars in both Afghanistan and Iraq are winding down. Less money spent on over priced supplies, etc. from Halliburton and KBR contracts will definitely reduce the deficit further.

I still don’t get the Tea Party. They keep acting like its 1950. Its not. It’s a new Millennium and there are now 7 billion people on this Earth, all who want to live like Americans. The bigger the human population gets, the more expensive everything becomes because there are less resources to go around. Duh! It seems so obvious that either we have to get better at sharing/conserving resources or a huge amount of the world population has to die. The Tea Party is so self-center (a local one recently wrote that the Path to Prosperity plan only cuts benefits for those younger than 55/like no one will ever get old and need the Social Security that they paid into!). As long as new babies are born into this world, we will need more hospitals, more schools, more roads, more bridges, etc. Don’t want to pay more in taxes? Make sure there’s less people born/more people dying. Easy peasy.

Debts will be paid. And the largest debt reduction plan in the history of the country has been passed.
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Although I believe many of the points in your post are true I do NOT believe the above^.

Rather, I believe:
. our debts will never be paid except via massive inflation.
. "the plan" agreed upon yesterday will not reduce the debt but rather, at best, will slow the rate of increase in the debt.

Dale, I posted and then I went away and waited for folks to respond. I will now state how I feel about these points. I agree with all of them. I think of myself as a Liberal with a capital 'L' but being progressive doesn't mean that you should have your head shoved up your posterior and let it remain there.

The fact is that this country and the state of California is truly overloaded with illegal immigrants, most of them Mexican nationals. My daughter is currently waiting for a serious operation but it will be months before she gets it. If you go to any of the emergency rooms in the L.A. area (and I've been there about 6 or 7 times this year) you will see scores of poor Mexicans lined up and waiting hours or days for treatment. Who pays for all of this? The taxpayers of California. Who will pay for my daughter's operation? She got laid off last year and lost her health insurance and daddy sure doesn't have the money. My daughter has checked and will basically get a loan from the hospital and have to pay them back. However, the loan/operation process will force her to wait months for what she needs. Illegal immigrants will also be getting hospital loans but who thinks that they will actually be paying them back? Chances are that next year, after receiving medical help, they will be working in Van Buren, Arkansas or any other number of hayseed towns and the operation that took place in California will just be a vague memory. Please don't say that I'm a hypocrite and I feel this way just because of my daughter's situation. My wife and I have felt this way for years now.

My wife is a teacher who says that at least half of her students are illegal immigrants. My wife is as progressive as I am but she says that all of this is a recipe for a coming social meltdown.


Dear Qball,
Thank you for pointing out my misspelling of the abbreviation 'etc.' Ect.? How embarrassing! And to think that I studied latin for two years in high school! I do know that etc. is an abbreviation of the latin phrase 'et cetera', meaning 'and the rest', but my fingers decided to type this as ect. Probably just another 'senior moment' on the long road to senility.

Qshtik, you are absolutely dead right on. There is no way that the United Morons of America will be able to pay off all of these debts. The United States of Amnesia may even be unable to remember they actually owe the money. Hyper-inflation is coming with a vengeance. Peter Schiff sure thinks so and so do a whole bunch of other smart people. Buy gold and silver and run for the hills (I sure am).

Agree with all your points. I've had arguments about this issue with so called "progressives" up here and have been called a racist for making points like yours. I crap on such people relentlessly. No patience for them. Bottom line is when they pull out the racist card I invite them to pack up and leave the country and go live somewhere else because they are, to my olfactory apparatus at least, stinkin' up the joint.

Nothing wrong with legal, controlled immigration. If you want to survive as a country you have to control your borders. So when dickbrain progressives ask me with their superb sneers how my parents got here, I reply to them "legally, you shit ferfuckinbrains, with a passport".

Wagelaborer, I think that legal immigration should be curtailed as well. There is absolutely no need anymore to be importing human beings into this country.

The thing about breaking up families by sending family members off to prison is a bit too much. In almost all instances, people who violate immigration laws don't get locked up for years in American prisons. People who violate American laws should simply be removed from our country. If illegal mommy and daddy have children born in this country and now U.S. citizens, then they can go home with mommy and daddy and come back into this country when they become adults. And don't tell me that they get to come back in when they become 5 years old with mommy and daddy in tow as their "caretakers."

I'm glad you're feeling better.

"Hyper-inflation is coming with a vengeance."

Uhm, no, the exact opposite is happening: hyper deflation as in prices going down and lower and lower since it is becoming harder and harder to sell things and didn't you notice that housing prices have been going down in the last 3 years and will keep on going down ? And anywho's this hyperinflation threat and scare has been going on for a few years now, but the exact opposite has been happening. only those turds in health kare and the colleges keep on hiking up the prices of their "services" but they should be beaten all up to death and hated with all your guts, those slobs thieves, hate them and kill them.


Dying civilizations often prefer hope, even absurd hope, to truth. It makes life easier to bear. It lets them turn away from the hard choices ahead to bask in a comforting certitude that God or science or the market will be their salvation. This is why these apologists for globalism continue to find a following. And their systems of propaganda have built a vast, global Potemkin village to entertain us. The tens of millions of impoverished Americans, whose lives and struggles rarely make it onto television, are invisible. So are most of the world’s billions of poor, crowded into fetid slums. We do not see those who die from drinking contaminated water or being unable to afford medical care. We do not see those being foreclosed from their homes. We do not see the children who go to bed hungry. We busy ourselves with the absurd.

The game is over. We lost. The corporate state will continue its inexorable advance until two-thirds of the nation and the planet is locked into a desperate, permanent underclass. Most of us will struggle to make a living while the Blankfeins and our political elites wallow in the decadence and greed of the Forbidden City and Versailles. These elites do not have a vision. They know only one word: more.

http://www.adbusters.org/magazine/96/chris-hedges-revolution-in-america.html

Way to go Mr Williams. You're singing all my songs. Legal immigration needs to have some rational underpinnings. Like when you have massive unemployment and cannot employ the folks you already have why on earth would you import more? To create more unemployment? To depress already depressed wages? To create social strife? Lowering wages may be on the "business" agenda but to my mind that is the agenda of jackasses. Social strife doesn't benefit anyone, the business community included.

And most of all kill me and hate me with all my guts, hate and kill me, please Mommy, pretty please.

Am I ok now ? am I ok ? Yes I am Ok now.

I will never be ok...

I think you're half right. Home prices have come down a lot and will come down a lot more. Stocks are going to crater too. Your argument is the same as that once held by Bill Bonner of Agora Financial and the Daily Reckoning. But, Bill now argues that there will be a double whammy; stocks and homes will fall in value and commodities will skyrocket to the moon. How depressing would that be? Your home value is halved and it now costs you $15 to buy a burger at McDonalds.

Even with hyper-inflation, home values won't be able to move upward because the American public is basically broke. But, they may be forced to pay more for a loaf of bread because one of the things that all humans have to do is eat.

Don Henleys' song GIMME WHAT YOU GOT.

"first word baby learns is MORE".

can't think of more lines, but that's one great song. he's a poet, and a great singer. Remember from the Eagles.

It all makes sense to me, what you said.

I was born here in California.
Great Great Grandmother CHEROKEE.

Interesting.

'cheese dick?'
I have never heard that term, and it is really gross.

there are women here. I noticed less and less lately. Wonder why ?

I guess I'll just scroll on by.

and I posted before I read CASHS' comments.

believe it or not.

I am sick of all of these illegals. I live among them. The whole thing is upsetting for many reason, and Dolan laid it out very well.

Thank You


I guess I'll just scroll on by.
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Please do...we'd be even in that case.

Um, I think you missed my point.

I was referring to the fact that over 2,000,000 Americans are locked up in prisons.

That we pay $600 billion a year to keep them in cages.

That prison rape is treated as comic material, and prisoner abuse is ignored.

That the strain on families is immense, and is matched by the strain on communities.

I wasn't referring to illegal immigrants, although it should be a scandal that, instead of deporting them, more and more are being locked up in private, for-profit prisons.

Prisons are now a money-making scam, and that SHOULD scare everyone, not just those of us who believe in freedom and justice.

Sigh. So many injustices and too little time and energy to correct them.

I guess you missed the part about my "largely agreeing with you" regarding excessive levels of immigration, since you took the opportunity to repeat the same arguments again.

Too bad about your daughter, that's tough. Too bad we don't have a rational; healthcare, immigration, military expenditure, taxation, social service, retirement, preventive care, etc. etc.; system in this country.

I guess you didn't notice all the poor whites standing in line at the ER along with your daughter, they are also part of the system overload, you just noticed the little brown people.

So, if you're looking for someone to put a stamp of approval on what sounds very much like veiled racist attitudes, I'm not going to help you out.
There are plenty of websites that will go out of their way to kiss your ass, if that's what you want. Ask Vlad, I'm sure he has a list of them.

I remember when a loaf of 9 grain whole wheat, baked at the health food store, fresh 'homemade' was 55 cents.
now same loaf is 5$.

So I started buying whole wheat tortillas
and I think alot of other folks did also.
Cuz the price doubled really quick.
Still half the price of bread.

I can bake my own bread so that's good.
Oh don't care how much Mac D's is, don't eat there.
I wonder if someday that's all there will be to eat, now that is a scary thought.

So true.
I read some about prison systems.
Listen if you want some good reading and from the guy who knows, read or google ANDREW VACHSS.
He has a website. well 2 I think.

He is all about what you are speaking of about prisons. The real deal. He is a lawyer in New York, and started out as a social worker. He is about 70 now. he knows alot.
He also writes novels.
That's how I discovered him.

THE GETAWAY MAN. one of my faves and one of his earliest. You might enjoy if you are a reader.

I think they should NOT mix the violent with the non violent offenders for starters.

I have alot more to say on this subject, but have an appt.

:)

Unless you break your leg or have a heart attack.

As I said in my post, I have been forced to go to our local emergency rooms several times this year and yes, there are some white folks in there who look like they might be financially challenged (like me). I don't know where you live but if you lived where I live you would walk in and right away notice that the majority of the people waiting there are Hispanic (or little brown people as you preferred to call them). That is just a fact.

And about the racist comments. Do you sit down to eat with the following types of people at your Sunday dinners: Mexicans, Indians (not Native American), African-Americans, Filipinos? I do because guess what, they are all members of my family. Do you have a 4 year old nephew who is as black as Buckwheat from 'Our Gang'? My guess is that the answer is a big resounding 'N000000'. Do you have a niece that speaks Tagalog? Guess what, I do. Was your father one of the only farmers in the state of Mississippi to invite black workers to sit down and eat with us in the early 50's? Probably not. I doubt if you've ever set foot in Mississippi.

It's easy for you to sit in your comfortable chair at home or work, put your white fingers on a keyboard and blog that somebody is a racist. Try saying that to a bunch of goobers in a Southern state who think you are a traitor to the White Race. Don't try to kiss their ass though unless you want something shoved up yours.

I recommend this article to Wage, Asoka and other avowed socialists:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/03/world/americas/03cuba.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=cubans%20set&st=cse

Over the long haul it is simply impossible for societies to resist the tug of Capitalism (aka, human nature).

Here is an excerpt:

“There’s going to be huge demand,” said José, 36, who declined to give his last name, stepping away from the crowd and keeping an eye out for eavesdroppers. “It’s been prohibited for so long.”

Private property is the nucleus of capitalism, of course, so the plan to legitimize it here in a country of slogans like “socialism or death” strikes many Cubans as jaw-dropping.

We all know that our prison systems are run like our corrupt vampire-like corporations. As a matter of fact, I think they are corporations in a sense. However, I always remember the Chris Rock statement that "If you don't want to get arrested by the police and go to jail, then OBEY THE LAW."

There may be some people who think that prison rape is funny but there have always been and will always be a bunch of sick miscreants. And, there definitely is a need to reform our prison systems. But, people should try to stay out of trouble and not end up being in a position where they need that type of reform to take place. I have never been locked up for anything - ever and that is not just a matter of luck. Chris Rock is right.

There's a difference. You framed the situation in terms of 'people', immigrants, people of color, the 'others'. I frame the situation in terms of 'issues'; immigration, values, funding, priorities.

I don't know who is sitting at your dinning room table, but if they're who you say they are, maybe you aren't comfortable speaking your mind there, and that's why you're unloading here.

That's how it works isn't it? A lot of people aren't as nakedly honest as Vlad, and don't want to be considered a racist, but if you cut to the heart of it....there it is. I'm not saying that's necessarily "you", if you reread my original post I was trying to qualify your statements, and you are providing some clarity, but there are also a lot of cross currents running through what you say.

Like a lot of working class people, who have had their grasp on prosperity weakened, you sound like you want to blame all your loss on fellow members of the working class. You want to get mad at somebody.....FOLLOW THE MONEY! Who benefits from weak borders? who benefits from excessive immigration? who benefits from poor healthcare systems? The oligarchs are counting on being able to divide us, because if we ever get united, they're fucked. There is nothing preventing us from having properity for anyone willing to work, except a handful of greedy people who think they deserve it all, and that isn't the guy standing next to your daughter in the ER.

Hey DW,I was locked up once overnight. Back in the day, probably 1979. It was in Rhode Island. My friends and I were sleeping in the woods in my tricked out van outside of Westerly, RI by Misquamicut beach, a beautiful beach just past the tip of Long Island with beautiful sand and nice surf. My crime was sleeping in a no sleeping zone. We were locked up in the local jail overnight with about 100 other sleepers. I guess where we were is tossed every night by the local fuzz. $100 fine each and a huge money maker for the town. Crime pays, but mostly it pays for the state!

Those woods are probably not there anymore, but I bet the fine is more like 250-500 dollars now, adjusted for inflation of course!

Social Security and Medicare were the targets of the entire scam.

Wage, wait till you see what happens to the program-cutting panel of 6 and all the lobbyists with their payola to get their agendas taken care of... Ah yes, the best government money can buy.
But don't call this capitalism--it's beyond.

Wage, one more thing, My cat threw a blood clot and is now unable to walk. We are waiting to pick him up from the animal hospital if they let us.

What a shock that was. Last night he looked like he was sleeping, but he couldn't get up on his own and this morning it was even worse.

Oh I am so sorry about your Cat, I hope he is okay to be home again and can walk again.

I often wondered if animals do that like humans, now I know they do.

Poor baby. You must be sad.

LOL

There is a very touching poem, about when a pet cat passes on.....in case yours does.

THE FELINE SPIRIT

just google it. it's different than the rainbow bridge. it helped me when my cat got cancer and I had to let him go.


Wow, it has been like 20 posts here without the use of the word "fucktard." I don't think I even saw a "moron" go by. What a nice change of pace.

No, dale, I'm not from Ireland. Whatever gave you that idea? From what I hear, the economy there is not good (housing crash, etc.) and people are pretty morose right now, in their typical Irishness. There's a lot of vacant houses, and unemployment is high. But I have no firsthand knowledge.

I have no real way of knowing about Vlad's life situation. I was supposing that he is of, shall we say, modest means. My main point was that you are not a good example of a Marxist Liberal bugaboo.

What is with these clowns painting red anyone who has the slightest criticism of their online pronouncements? Is this some kind of cultural meme that heretofore no one has clued me in upon?

When in doubt, call your opponent a Commie.

I think if you do this, you automatically lose the argument, under the same idea as Godwin's Law, unless the person really is a bonafide Communist infiltrator.

Heh Ripped, you just got "rolled" on by the local cops. I should clarify something I said so I don't sound like a "goody two shoes." Actually, there was some luck in not getting nabbed at some times in my life. My mom and dad always taught me to obey the law but young males always do some stupid things in their early years even if the transgressions aren't serious. I was just trying to make the point that if people end up locked behind prison bars, they are not generally "victims" of the system. They probably did something really dumb and probably something downright mean, degenerate and harmful. Disobeying some asinine (and unknown) law like you did is generally grounds for a fine. They know that you are no danger to the community. They just want to hold you upside down, shake you and see what money falls out. LOL

Those with a cold wit and a way with words are reaching the same conclusions. Phil Rockstroh brings another 2x4 to the left side of the head (3 1/2" surface making contact).

Rockin' 'em back on their heels:

"One progenitor of the defiant idiocy of the general population of the U.S. can be traced to the tendency of the consumer state to induce impulsivity rather than reflection i.e., rendering individuals self-involved, infantilized monsters of the id… dazzled by and perpetually reaching for the next bright and shiny." -P.R.

That ain't nothin' in the context of the brilliance of the piece in its' entirety.

As with Kunstler, it is not the offerings of solutions that are the "point"; it's the gazing at [and pondering of] the problems and predicaments with as few pre-loaded, propagandized "filters" as possible.

I've been hard into the guardrails in the breakdown lane, so other than being cranky time and again, I'm usually a pretty calm person. (The crankiness comes from the reptilian side of me; the calm from the rational and thoroughly mortal side.) This is another thing the power-brokers don't get a'tall. Some people can't be panicked into doing/buying/voting for things that counter their own (or their neighbors) interests. That is a very dangerous miscalculation that won't be realized until the bell tolls.

Sorry for the ramble; here's the link:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28740.htm

(Now I have to check back upthread for that Chris hedges link. Thanks to either LBendet or Wage; gots me a brain resembling cheese of the Swiss variety!! ;o)

[I suspect that in the wake of resource-constraint, Peak Oil-driven economic collapse that the racial harmony facade of Globalism will collapse quickly]


Aaah....Hot, humid, tepid August in Hong Kong....

That time of year when, despite showering twice a day, copious use of powerful Thai body powder and white-people deodorant, some Chinese people still complain about my pungeant "foreign" smell, to which my reply is: "If you think that I smell 'juicy', then "EAT ME!"

------------ "cold wit and WARM way with words"----
(That was the original construct that I forgot while typing; I would never imply that JHK was emotionally arctic. I certainly don't ever get that impression. Sorry.)

Well I was certainly thrown out, along with my fellow teenager friends. Good money for the local constabulory, bad luck for us. Lesson learned, Don't sleep on public property. I was under the assumption that the country belonged to all of us. guess not, it is a local money-maker!

Dale, do you honestly think that the long term quality of life in this country is best served by bringing in more poor people of any color? I understand blaming the elite, they are more guilty than the illegals. If you replace them, another one will take their place. All societies are run by elites wether we like it or not. Overpopulation and Balkanization are as big a threat to a safe and healthy society as peak oil and peak debt.

The immigration problem isn't that it leads to multi-culturism, the issue is overpopulation. We don't have the physical and financial resources to handle 310+ million prople.

When I was in the second grade in school, I believe the population was 140 million, and I didn't feel that hardly any people were around.

Also, remember that in previous waves of immigration, there were no institutional government programs like social security, welfare, medicaid and food stamps. Individuals and families understood they had to fend for themselves. There was no sense of entitlement from the get-go as there is now. It's the entitlements that hinder assimilation. Immigrants don't have to participate in American culture to survive.

This leads to Balkanization, a cultural impasse. That is exactly what we had in the years leading up to the Civil War. The impasse was allowed to drag on until it blew up in their face. The entitlements, the lack of border security, the globalist wanting cheap labor, the democrats wanting new voters,and the immigrants looking for a better life are all part of the complex problem. Border security is the easiest part of the problem to deal with, but none are insurmountable. I left out the illogical worship of diversity especially by those who don't have to deal with it on a daily basis. That is probably the hardest aspect overcome. An earlier poster said if you have someone that disagrees with you , yell commie if you can't think of anything else to say. The same could be said of someone yelling racist.

When I was a kid, I think you did not see the crazy crowds you see today. The roads and recreation areas were much more pleasant than they are today. I lived in a rural area only ten minutes from a city of a 100k, but it seemed like it was a thousand miles away. Overpopulation is as much my pet peeve as immigration.

In light of this week's raising of the debt ceiling and austerity deal, which will hit black Americans particularly hard, I wonder what Obama thinks of the 1970s flick "Blacula"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacula

Thanks for the link.
Very well written and explained.

Very often you read: we are at this point because the average American is stupid, always chooses the wrong person, doesn’t know whom to vote etc.
I do not agree.
The average American IS intelligent and knows what America needs.
It was exactly what Obama promised.
Had he done what he was voted for, America would be in a much better shape.
It is not the fault of the people: who do they vote for?
How can you judge a person you do not know if not by what he says he will do?
Obama is like one of those pills that promise you will lose 40 pounds in one week, just "burning fat".
If you want to lose weight, doesn’t it look the product to chose?
May be the sin of the average American is the obstinacy to believe in its country, the obstinacy to believe that the people who counts are not criminals, not psychopaths.
It takes time to realize that what you used to believe in IS not what you believed it was.


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=176094

But since Man is just an arbitrary configuration, what is really found is simply the laws of interaction of this pure fluke and arbitrary machine of Man with all of its quirky and flukey logic and language, and organization of information in its "mind" and all the pain/pleasure circuits and all of the sensations, etc. with a chunk of matter configured according to what patterns his mind is searching for. In a sense, another circularity, in a sense, another item that is studying itself, or a subset or superset of itself, according to how the distinction between self and outside of self is performed, according to how the delimitation, the boundary of in and out, self and not self is defined and set up, according to how it is imagined in the mind from the outset. So a chunk of electrons and protons is "studying" another chunk of electrons and protons, but both chunks are simply an arbitrary configuration and organization of the elementary particles, are simply a fluke, we don't study science, we study how this one time quirk fluke of organization and configuration of matter interacts with itself, so even in this case THERE IS NO REAL SCIENCE OPERATING.

As in item Z is studying item (Z,Z,Z,Z). So exactly who or what is studying who or what ? Or is it really (Z,Z,Z,Z) that is studying Z ? Or is it simply a set of items Z that are interacting with themselves, and since they are "playing with themselves" or "talking to itself", they are actually inventing their own laws, their own reality, they are inventing and discovering their own laws all by themselves making believe that they are outside of themselves, that they are "objective". Matter interacts with itself and invents itself, Matter plays with itself and creates its own "Laws of Physics", go figure.

"So a chunk of electrons and protons is "studying" another chunk of electrons and protons, " So if you decide to put this boundary within a mind - brain (after all science allows you use any experimental apparatus and imagine any experiment you want and do any experiment only according to the model of reality you are trying to imagine, only according to an intentionality of use, a prior idea, theory, equation, model you name it that the experiment is supposed to confirm or negate and such), if the experimental apparatus and the interaction is in only one mind, any mind, a modified mind, or simply any mind making believe, lying to itself, pretending to be a new Instant Singularity mind (after all, truth and false is always just assigned by the same old mind anyways according to what it wants, another circularity, or according to pain/pleasure circuits, another random invented quirk of nature not representing any absolute reference system of measurements since it is not a system outside of itself such that it can justify the very idea that it is objective and confirming the metaphysical validity of the "studying" that is is performing), then anything that mind thinks, or anything that mind says to itself is just as real as any of our traditional science: in the end it is only matter interacting with itself, only matter that is talking to itself, only matter and Mass Energy that is performing a reciprocal information relationship, all within itself, a reciprocal information interaction, all inside itself, so as it is just talking to itself it is justified in making up anything and inventing anything at all, hence the very definition of science is defeated by science itself, it self annhilates itself, it vanishes all by itself, but in the process creates a new universe with wildly different laws of physics, completely overrides all of our laws of physics, and creates a completely new real science!

"So a chunk of electrons and protons is "studying" another chunk of electrons and protons, " just change the boundary of outside and inside, just change where the observing entity is placed and the observed entity is placed, just change the set and make it all self contained (there is no law against this as it is only a monolithic chunk of Mass - Energy or Matter interacting and talking to itself and you can create any science and any universe and any laws of physics you want). Just put the entire thing ( observer + experimental apparatus ) inside your own brain, talk to yourself, invent anything and you have achieved anything you want, you win, you have won.

So in traditional science you see O A, with O the observer, B the boundary (distinction between inside and outside, self and not self) and A the experimental apparatus. Then change it by putting O and A inside your mind, getting rid of B, change it by making O and A simply thoughts and thought patterns, ideas talking to themselves, talk to yourself, create a sequence of symbols representing the experiment, in short, LIE TO YOURSELF PROUDLY, LIE TO YOURSELF BOLDLY fool the laws of physics by lying to yourself boldly, show the laws of physics that true and false, and the very laws themselves are fake, arbitrary, a make believe invention anyways. After all, the entire set of O and A (even if contained in one mind) is simply a chunk of Matter, of Mass Energy, simply a set of protons and electrons interacting and talking to themselves anyways (just like if O is a scientist and A is a particle accelerator, O and A are separated by space and machines, who cares, the set of (O A) is simply always a set of (O A), simply an aggregated chunk of electrons and protons talking to themselves no matter how elaborate and complex, no matter how many computers are in between them, no matter how much space and buildings and all the (O A) is defined and set up as).

It doesn't matter how the boundaries of in and out are set up or defined, it doesn't matter what delimitations are considered part of what, if they are seen as a distinct entity or separate entities, you can invent all kinds of delimitations and part and part of, or imaginary sub delimitations as much as you want, but they are all imaginary lines applied to one monolithic chunk if Mass - Energy or Matter talking to itself.

On another note "doing nothing" is impossible because even if you try to do nothing, the fact that Matter can't ever reach absolute zero temperature implies that matter will do something always anyways, it will do something for you anyways (aside from the chemical reactions of the cells and the heart and such), so everything is always in a flux of change, change is always happening whether you want it or not, but define change as anything compared to anything else, any event is a change (forward ? backwards ? towards a goal, denying a goal, part of the problem ? part of the solution ? as in a collective effort of elements building up, or taking away ? and what is defining the result, the building or the subtraction ? delimitations in time ? how long in time, a sequence of events that add up ? or is it imaginary ? or are they fighting each other and such). But thought and language (and interactions and Reciprocal Information Relationships Defining Themselves by Measuring Themselves Reciprocally) is always doing something, the next word is the target or is it the next sentence or block of text, or the previous that add up to this one or any other, or a sequence of symbols but are the symbols fighting each other or helping each other, so you have to create a start point -> inhibition(resistance - opposition) -> end point, but what set is following the path and process (another block diagram of a new modified mind ?) and such.


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=166773


"Any modified simulated reality system is much closer to "reality", is much more real, is much less detached from reality than our natural state as humans. In fact humans are just a combination of matter, a configuration that is the result of 5 billion years of trillions of random chemical experiments playing out on an entire planet. A simulating machine is the result of a few thousand years of technological evolution but nowhere near the scale of natural evolution, nowhere near the complexity and randomness of all the quirk events that brought to the human condition, hence a simulating machine is closer to reality than any "natural" system, is less of a lie and an invention than natural systems.

Simulating machines, new minds either in silicon or brains is actually a trip back towards reality, is actually the discovery of reality and physics and not the other way around, the real simulation is the human mind as nature furnished it. Natural systems are much more detached from reality than any man made simple simulating machine, hence the simulation is closer to reality.

We are a quirk item that is the total result of 5 billion years of evolution of trillions of molecules on an entire planet. How much further from reality can you possibly get ? How much further from the basic apparent laws of physics can you possibly get ?

On an edge, the surface of the earth being an edge between solid and gas, within a very small range of temperatures and conditions, a human needing so many supplemental systems to exist, like food, water, pressure, the right gravity etc. This is so quirky and so improbable that it is not even a lie! a lie, a total outright lie is more true than nature!

This shows that artificial intelligence is not only wrong, it is not even wrong since it is so far away from a human brain. Not even wrong, not even related.

The system of a mind interacting with reality is equivalent to a system of a delimited piece of matter interacting with another delimited piece of matter. The interaction being a set of events, a number of events and the observing entity being an aggregation within a delimited piece of matter. Now the organization and aggregations and sets of matter and events, the system as a whole can be any of untold number of combinations, the events and sensations, the observing entity can experience any of untold number of experiences. So no combination is any truer than any other, they are all lies, or all false or all true. They all have the same amount of detachment from reality or we can assign a parameter to define how detached according to how complex the delimited matter and interacting matter and set of events are. Humans are a planet large set having 5 billion years of events, hence very detached, very arbitrary, very much a lie compared to a simulated neural network in the ball of meat that is a modified brain.

What reality ? What truth ? What physics ? What is composed of what ultimately ? ALL LIES...

If you are going to sharpen saws, you need some tools:

Files

Saw set

Bench vise


Best get them now.....

INDY

If you are going to understand what is happening to the world economy and that of the USA in particular you need to understand the role of credit.

Go to Steve Keen's Debtwatch for info on this
Go to Gregor.us for further clarification of how this interacts with peak resources.

The problem with conversion to renewable energy, is peak copper, peak rare earths. It is doubtful there is enough copper for the world, and possibly the US to make the conversion with out extensive cannibalization.

INDY

Mornin'J2B, I'll assume you used LOL as "lots of love" in your post about lbendet's feline companion. Usually "LOL" is 'puter shorthand for "laugh out loud" and I KNOW you did not mean that.

got 'em

Correction B (the boundary which may include space, machines, wires, you name it) should be between O and A as O B A:

So in traditional science you see O B A, with O the observer, B the boundary (distinction between inside and outside, self and not self) and A the experimental apparatus. Then change it by putting O and A inside your mind, getting rid of B, change it by making O and A simply thoughts and thought patterns, ideas talking to themselves, talk to yourself, create a sequence of symbols representing the experiment, in short, LIE TO YOURSELF PROUDLY, LIE TO YOURSELF BOLDLY fool the laws of physics by lying to yourself boldly, show the laws of physics who you are, namely the set of "laws of physics" trying to escape itself, show the laws of physics that true and false, and the very laws themselves are fake, arbitrary, a make believe invention anyways.


In short, delude yourself, don't be shy, just do it man, do it, you can do it. Trick yourself and everyone and everything, deceive them all, make them believe all kinds of crap, who cares, the very laws of physics are simply turds.

The biggest tragedy of our times is that we have lost the moral values on which our society was built.
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What if this society never had moral values to begin with? What if the only thing it ever had was the projection and illusionary propaganda of moral values to mask a Machiavellian reality of theft and power? And now more and more people are seeing through the facade and the lies.

The ancient solution was to disengage and refuse to participate. This is what happened in ancient cna'an. They abandoned the City States and just walked away. This is what gave birth to the ancient nation of Israel.

Moral character is more important than laws. Exactly opposite of Greek/Roman model, and why among many other things the Babylonian/Greek/Roman model always fails.

Thanks J2B,

The Feline Spirit was was sweet. And I appreciate your sentiments. I admit I too was confused by the LOL, but knowing everything I know about you, I knew it had to mean something else. We visited Jambalaya (Jumby) last night but decided he'd be better off getting one more dose of Heparin to help bust this clot and hopefully he'll be able to walk again. We'll know in the next couple of days.
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Patrizia,

I agree with you. When people don't understand what kind of system they live under they can't make good choices which is why I blame the corporate owned media who have other businesses that gain from the corporate communism.

It's not going to break down after one election. This system is codified in every function of the country now and our universities are just as steeped in this as every other aspect.

The electorate are given stinker choices of who they can vote for and these people don't know how to pressure the elite to create jobs here even if they have $billions on the side. They instead keep cutting jobs to give themselves big bonuses and hire slave labor outside the country. There is no incentive that you can give them to act otherwise since this works too well for them and the government is completely in their thrall.

Campaign finance, a limit to lobbyist influence would be a good start, but with the Supreme court we have, it's in the bag, so the people will keep electing those who will bring them down.

Imagine the common guy voting for someone who thinks it's ok to take from the most needy to allow the rich to make more and more. If you watch Chris Matthews you'll hear how a good swath of the country will be voting for the Republican next time. Imagine Rick Perry the secessionist from Texas getting in. Oh and just look at the cuts these people want to make. Medical research etc.

So how do you dismantle a super power. Just follow the money as they say.

@ Wagelaborer, enjoyed very much the Chris Hedges link you posted, listened last night, though his 'vocal' delivery took a wee while to adjust too... Gated high security villages for the uber-rich will be a given, but hey, once you've found their main housing units power supply, and compound water delivery point, its easy to get them to squirm...

If that be your bag?

@ Lbendet re: yer four-legged furry whiskered pal, pets can be very special types of friend... though feline aloofness has always intrigued me say, as opposed to the more masculine like dog trait of easy wag-a-tail by ones side obedience. So I hope that this current animal woes blip resolves itself okay for you all. Yer geopolitics links are oft terrific, so keep it up, when yer back on yer game here and focused.

@ Old69/Nameta9

Alexandra says:

I've come to accept on here (CFN), that like a visual form of tinnitus your overly verbose and BADLY written warblings are a sort of typographic eczema, patchy type blocks of pure boll#cks... cluttering up the kool space.

Talking of which, do us all a favour and get yerself clinically castrated soonest. Mate, the very thought of your senile seed pushing your pathetically flaccid gene code any further forward into that steely-brite sky-rise future you so oft drone on about, is a truly frightening and depressing prospect!!

And BTW, what I'd never state in some lame throw-away paragraph is any star-trek hippy based sci-fi psychobable, and I dare say that my true fans on here would never fall for that one...

Be seeing you...

Alexandra,
Thanks for the thought. Our felines are very dog-like, friendly and interactive. This cat in particular even likes dogs and we are amazed at how friendly and open he is to the dog next door who literally towers over him. They touch noses and hang out together. This cat is 15 years old and is still very social. He's one of the most beautiful animals I've ever seen (an ocicat) and has an amazing disposition. Eats everything we eat (incl. bakery goods) and runs this household whether we like that or not.
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Just a reminder in case someone else has already posted this, but JHK is on Max Keiser (maxkeiser.com) re: Peak everything.

To all those posts re-upchucking what most of us have known for so long - that far too many Americans are either too stupid or too satisfied to act in the cause of their common welfare.

Clusterfuck!

But understand this: There are distinct differences in our misguided/unguided population sectors and the rich are successfully enslaving both.

We have one poplation segment that is simply idiotic. And this segment can include anyone from the janitor on crack to the head of a regional Tea-party.

And another segment that thinks the "game" still works - and they can get theirs if they just play along. And of course - room for shades of grey.

Taking the two groups together - and adding the reality of the evils that have already been fomented to subvert democracy and the common welfare and it really does all seem so hysterical.

We couldn't get this nation back on track - even if it was 1811.......

Which brings me to my point - only when the disasters and desparartion visit both these groups will any change be possible. And even then the Elite may masquerade and hide themselves as the common enemy.

So far the nation just hasn't been able to focus because the evil has been successfully hidden in bank vaults and the Federal Reserve.

Let's face it - its just not right to hurt rich people just for being rich it - is it?


Alexandra says:


Intelligence Overrated

Matter and Mass Energy manipulated itself, played with itself up to the point of creating a thinking mind. Now something that is dead, dead just as rocks, a set of carbon atoms play around with themselves and end up creating a thinking mind, but man with all of his "intelligence" can't create a new one. This is because intelligence is a self defined concept, it is just a kind of self congratulations of man to himself, thinking that the processes he performs are "special" and smart. But random evolution creating a thinking mind show that "nothing", "not even alive" is hugely much smarter than man, hugely more intelligent since it can design a mind (after all, call it what you will, but the blind forces of purely dead entities just designed the mind, who cares if the process took a billion years and a whole bunch of events). So this huge non linearity, this huge non logical state of affairs creates the suspension of belief that drives so much of the Intelligent Design believers: they just can't accept that something that is not even alive can design our minds, and we can't come even close to doing something like that, they can't accept this inequality, this non linearity, this huge quirk of Matter and Mass Energy.

But the entire concept of intelligence is flawed from the outset, it is nothing, means nothing, is irrelevant, is just a little puny circuit man uses to solve some little puny local problems (protein foldings are much more sophisticated than the entire brain and such), then the Instant Singularity that just randomly and blindly throws wild chemicals and wild signals into that ball of meat that is the brain is much "smarter" and much more successful at creating a new mind - universe - laws of physics than any "intelligence."

The earth is a ball of matter that plays with itself and creates a mind, so matter can play with itself in many other ways and create ever new minds, experiences and what not, even new laws of physics and universes. Minds within minds, simulations within simulations, virtual realities within virtual realities (and ever more lies as the elementary particle called the DECEPTON (the particle lies to itself and breaks all the rules and is a pure contradictory element) is what everything is made up of)) and so on.

Well, well, well,..

The Euro is down huge, 1.3% today against the USD.
The US debt crisis is a non-crisis, for now.
Q is already down 10% on his bet on F.

Who could have predicted this? I mean, really.

"The immigration problem isn't that it leads to multi-culturism, the issue is overpopulation. We don't have the physical and financial resources to handle 310+ million prople."
-BeanTownBill-

Bill,
Multiculturalism, overpopulation, and resource decline are inextricably linked for the future of the US.

As long as the electricity stays on, and the cheap water, food, and fossil fuels keep coming - someone can make an argument that the US could maintain a population of 600,000,000+, by extrapolating the population of India, S. Korea, or wherever.

I disagree - even if today's benign conditions are magically carried into the future - multiculturalism will make living in the US with high population numbers unpleasant, at best; and impossible, at worst.

India, S. Korea, wherever - are able to tolerate their high population densities, precisely BECAUSE they are (relative to the US) ONE culture and/or race and because they have more of a mindset of coexistence and cooperation - that already spans a centuries.

Modern US multiculturalism degrades the NEED for cooperation between cultures. That works - right now - because rising affluence has enabled these parallel cultures to remain relatively stable and prosperous in the US. AND because the modern US Constitution has been twisted into a pretzel that supports multiculturalism - with the flow of resources that has enabled it to work.

As resources go into decline in the US

The logical problems of continent-wide multiculturalism, will become visible.

All we can do at this point is try to stop any further increase in the coming madness.

Join FAIR. Or join NumbersUSA.
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/nusablog/cchmielenski/august-3-2011/debt-debate-over-time-congress-lower-immigration-and-create-jobs

I'm very sorry to hear about your cat. I hope he makes it.

Did he freak out when he couldn't walk? My dog did. She just couldn't understand what was wrong. The vet gave me tranquilizers, and I gave them to her for a couple of days, and then she seemed to resign herself to her new situation.

Kind of like people do.

You may not live in a mixed ethnic neighborhood but I do.
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Nowdays everyone lives in a mixed ethnic neighborhood.

I'm not willing to be your pro-immigration strawman, so this conversation is over.....BTW, there is no planet on which you are a progressive.

That's a great analogy, Patrizia.

It seems that people really did believe that Obama would stop the wars, revive the economy and help them lose 40 pounds.

Well, in a way, he will. The losing weight part, anyway.

Eating out of trashcans will help people lose weight.

Do corporations in Italy lock up their garbage so that hungry people can't find food? Because they do here.

Dale, do you honestly think that the long term quality of life in this country is best served by bringing in more poor people of any color?
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Prehaps you should actually read my comments instead of reading the strawman framing of it by our "progressive" Archie Bunker. For the last time....I'm not an advocate of high levels of immigration.

Last night I attended a public hearing about a planned new strip mine.

The usual suspects showed up - the hippie Audubon Society/Green Party people vs the coal miners and their families.

The usual drill is that everyone says their piece, while the bureaucrats take notes, nod their heads, promise to take everyone's opinion under advisement, and then rubberstamp the coal company's application.

This time, though, there was a new group. Native Americans.

Apparently, when they were being ethnically cleansed, way back in the 19th century, there was a sympathetic white family who let part of the tribe live on "their" land. So they have survived to this day.

I had no idea that this had happened.

Anyway, they spoke against the strip mining of their ancestral homes.

Then the white coal miners got up and bragged about how long their families had lived on this land. Oooh, embarrassing. At least, I would have been embarrassed.

Turns out that their families had moved in about the same time the natives were "removed".

Coincidence? I think not!

"Yeah, I don't remember you doing anything to deserve a ban on your old handle. Did you send Kunstler an email about it?"
-turkle-

No, turk, I didn't send JHK an email - I've always figured that if JHK wanted to know what I thought, that he'd read his CFN comments section.

Right now, this place has the look of the lobster tank at the Red Lobster - right after they hosted an annual meeting of the Lobster Lover's Convention.

We're missing a bunch of screennames and handles, in other words.

I'm unconcerned. I can fit a bunch of characters between progress and conserve - and keep myself coming back in a recognizable form - probably for far longer than this place will hold my interest. I would like to know why I keep getting banned, though. At this point it's a genuine mystery - though probably related to numbers of posts.

And if you, turk, and JHK want to perform a useful banning - why not get rid of olde69/Spider/whatever. Every time I see one of his posts I come that much closer to taking CFN off my bookmarks - and leaving for more productive pastures.


But this is what happens when immigrants move in with their new values and take over the land.

Poisoned water, stripped topsoil, bulldozed forests, leveled mountains and polluted air.

Just saying.

Dale - who exactly is:
"our "progressive" Archie Bunker. For the last time....I'm not an advocate of high levels of immigration." -dale-

Say what's on your mind, dale. It's OK to be against immigration - regardless of the rest of your political beliefs.

Q is already down 10% on his bet on F.
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Obtusela, you have completely misunderstood the whole riff I've been doing on Ford. I've been busting Tootsie's (Fabian's) balls. He is the one who averaged down around July 9th by buying a second lot of Ford stock. As he described it, some time earlier he had bought Ford at a higher "price point."

Since you are having difficulty following my posts in American English I suppose you would prefer I converse in Hebrew?

P.S. Ford is getting hammered again today along with everything else.

Strange that you ask me that.
In Italy and in Germany garbage collection has become an obsession.
People lock their cans because they are afraid their neighbor can put their garbage in it...
When I was little they taught us to be clean and drop paper and garbage in the city hall cans.
Keep your town clean, was the motto.
Now, with this garbage psychosis you cannot find one only place to put your waste and the few that are still available for tourists have a very small hole to avoid people throwing their garbage in them...
In Napoli the garbage collection is the biggest business of the Mafia.
They send it via train to Germany...a state which is in default has money to waste to bring tons of garbage to Germany...

Wow! Great writing, as usual.

It reminded me of last night.

The coal miners talked about how much money they were making, and about how the local economy benefited from the mining.

The Native Americans talked about the sacred Earth, and how, once destroyed, it could never be repaired. (Even though one bimbo talked about 2 feet of alfalfa growing on an abandoned strip mine site, as if that was equivalent to the streams, forest and wildlife once there)

I got up and gave a brief socialist rant, complete with the words "wage slaves".

You would think that coal miners would be more class conscious, but I'm pretty sure they had never before heard a socialist viewpoint. At least from the stunned looks on their faces.

Like I told my husband, it was good for them.

TPTB*

I think TPTB are backing high rates of immigration into the US out of some sort of hyper capitalistic feeling that bigger is always better. And immigration certainly fosters economic growth.

Immigrants also tend to be the "best and brightest" of their respective societies. IOW, they are the most assertive/aggressive, the hardest working, (read most desperate) etc.

Of course, TPTB have no stopping point or maximum population level in mind for the US.

Why is this?

1. Because TPTB consider 5 years to be a long time and 5 decades to be a LIFETIME?

2. Because TPTB have no conception of "peak everything?"

3. Because TPTB think they will win the lottery or get rich, somehow - and live happily forever after - despite the physical environment of the US.

*TPTB - I've argued that TPTB is the collective thoughts, dreams, and willpower - of the citizenry and occupants of these United States.

It's certainly not a cabal of Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Dick Cheney, and Lloyd Blankfein.

The citizens of the United States are not in control of the country.

Witness the bank bail-out. 95% of the people were against it. But it was done anyway.

Most people want a single payer health care system. Instead, we got forced private insurance company payment mandates.

Most people are against bombing other countries, at least until the propaganda kicks in.

It is mind-blowingly naive of you to think that there is no ruling class in this country.

Check out Ozone's link-
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28740.htm

It makes much more sense than your assertions.

(Do you believe that "we all killed Kennedy" too?)

And, obviously, most people in the US are against large scale immigration.

But it happens.

They don't want you to use their garbage cans because it's difficult to dispose of it?

How much garbage do you produce?

Here in America, everything is individually wrapped in plastic, even toothpicks.

We produce mountains of trash everyday.

Is it like that in Europe?

Obtusela, you have completely misunderstood the whole riff I've been doing on Ford.
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I see. You were just joking about trying to get out with your pants on, on a losing bet. My apologies. But why be so defensive about Ford? Why would you care if Ford is down along with the rest of the market? Btw, 10% in 2-3 days is HUGE for a large cap stock like F, not that you care, because of-course you don't.

"It is mind-blowingly naive of you to think that there is no ruling class in this country."
-wage-

Wage, if you don't stop calling me naive - I'm going to tell Turk to tell JHK to have you banned.
;-) hahhah

We've got a ruling class, sure. But they can't move that far outside of the will of the people.

And no, "we" didn't all kill Kennedy. Either a lone lunatic named Oswald killed Kennedy - with or without the help of a small band of co-conspirators, now long dead - who have no relationship to the 15 Saudi hijackers and THEIR existing or non-existing band of co-conspirators.

Wage - belief in conspiracy enervates you in a way that just doesn't resonate with me. Maybe if we had a case of beer and a long weekend, we could eventually figure out why - and come to some sort of compromise.

Not sure we're ever going to be able to do it in text on CFN - although I guess I'll have to keep trying if you want me to. ;-)

you would prefer I converse in Hebrew?
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I speak 5 languages, including Hebrew. How many do you know? (That doesn't mean, btw, that I can type. Don't confuse the two).

Qshtik is going to get you on your use of the word enervate.

"And, obviously, most people in the US are against large scale immigration.
But it happens." -wage-

I don't know about that, Wage. Most people on CFN are against large scale immigration. Most people in the environmental movement are, too - except for the millions in the Sierra Club - who are FOR it, by their membership.

Most people - outside of the "peak everything" community, like CFN - have not CONSIDERED the implications of large scale immigration, going forward - and the legal vs. illegal question clouds the debate.

"Most liberals," perhaps like Dale - are afraid to speak forcefully against immigration.

"Most conservatives" benefit from immigration - for a while yet - with cheaper labor/more growth/whatever.

Thus, TPTB* still appear to favor immigration - for a while, yet.


San Jose Mommy replies to Alexandra in defense of poor old69 (Mommy protects her children):

Why don't you send us a picture so we can see how HOT and HORNY you are (old piece of crap, slut). Do you ph*k ? Do you pl*y with yourself ? Why did you do that to me ? Why did you kill me and torture me like that ? god will get back at you, he will punish that sin you did, eternal hell forever.

The whore says:

"do us all a favour and get yerself clinically castrated soonest."

I answer:

That is taken care of, I haven't had a boner in more than 10 years (and then just barely), now go on, rub it in, make fun of me, torture me, I am an Impotent, Pussy Whip, Coward, and all, go on don't beat me up Mommy, please don't beat me up again, don't beat the living daylights out of me, have mercy on me. Hate me with all your guts, kill me, please kill me Mommy, get me out of my misery, don't have mercy.

Where is Freud when you need him, is this "masochism" or something like that ...

So here's the deal:

A ball of Matter (the earth) plays with itself for some time and creates a thinking - conscious mind. This mind then makes the ball of matter undergo a phase transition and makes Matter play with itself differently (after all Man + earth is just one entity, a ball of Matter) creating computers, cities or whatever. Hence the two different phases of Matter (call them 1 and 2), one before a kind of singularity represented by the mind of Man and another after are different phases of Matter, are two different ways Matter can play with itself and reach new configurations. These two different paths can't communicate, are different, one uses "blind forces" (or assumed such as we assume Matter dead and without consciousness but we may be wrong) the other "Intelligence". Obviously the blind forces is greatly superior in exploring and creating wicked new configrations, intelligence is just so limited, it can only create a few puny devices. But there are many other paths and phases of Matter as an extrapolation, as an extension, many other phase transitions, so Matter in phase 1, then in phase 2, then in phase 3, but notice that each phase can easily be independent from each other, it was just pure chance and a quirk that 2 emerged from 1, but they could be disconnected, so you can imagine many new phases, all independent and disconnected, all being possible to play with themselves and creating new configurations, but each configuration cannot be reached in any way from any other phase (or sometimes yes ?) a kind of barrier between phases, like Matter can't play with itself, self manipulate and create a computer (or maybe it could ?) when in phase 1, just like when it is in phase 2 with Man it can't play with chemistry and create a thinking mind and so forth.

So this justifies the fact that pouring wild chemicals and wild signals in the ball of meat that is the brain could make Matter undergo a new phase transition and reach completely new and independent configurations, but even more so, Matter whether through force or by itself could go from any configuration into a new one with completely new minds - brains - experiences - laws of physics and such.

But this block of text was using our logic and language, so it is essentially measuring the possible configurations of Matter from within a particular phase state, a particular universe and laws of physics, so even this theory is extremely limited, as in Intelligence is Overrated.

But Matter has many configurations and events, each following a path that is independent from all others, each protected by a barrier, by a kind of limit, like in a real barrier to another universe (like the limit of an observable universe?) and each phase interacts (or evolves or plays with itself with signals and events and such) and creates new modified minds experiencing new universes with new laws of physics.

Of course, all contradictions are allowed, all lies are allowed, all mistakes are allowed and such, actually make all the possible mistakes you can, be as wrong as possible.

Am I ok now ? Am I ok ? Yes I am ok now. I will never be ok ...

Quo Vadis, Baby ?

OK, that last comment was supposed to be a reply to you.

The ruling class can move the will of the people, via their massive propaganda apparatus.

It is amazing to watch. Too bad your blinders won't let you see it.

Haven't you ever wondered about how quickly Americans can be drummed into bloodlust against people in a country they've never heard of before?

Why have we spent these weeks arguing passionately about the debt ceiling? Something we didn't even know happened the last 89 times?

Americans believe what they're told to believe.
Their will is shaped by their ruling overlords.

You're right, W, it IS "innervate."
Thanks!
And it's a lot more fun to be "gotten" by you than by Q!

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BTW - the millions of people with memberships in the ACLU, or the Anti Defamation League - just to name two examples - ARE FOR high rates of legal and ILLEGAL immigration - just by their memberships in those two organizations.

Those Powers That Be* are a slippery bunch - you've got to give the that, anyway. ;-)

Vlad argued at one time that conserving semen was a good thing, focusing the mind and the body on more important things.

You are the showpiece of the consequences of that theory.


Please, oh pretty please, y'all (as in southern accent, corny hu ?), read this carefully, study it very carefully, JHK himself will test y'all on it

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=176094

Welps, there we go - Dow @ 11.5xx, even with the *new and improved* debt ceiling! Gold nearly $1.7k/oz. Only took ~2 weeks for prediction #1...

Now just waiting for prediction #2 to come true @ year-end, Jan 1, 2012 (2011 hottest year on record, even higher than prior records 2010 and 2005).

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A.gif

Prediction #3 & 4 will need to wait until Jan 1, 2013 and Jan 1, 2014, respectively (2012 hottest year on record/2013 hottest year on record - solar irradiance/sunspot max on ~Dec 21, 2012 [gogogo Mayans!]).

What to invest in? I'm thinking food, liquor, silver coins (dimes mostly) and copper pennies. Gold just seems too valuable to be very useful/reliable in barter trades (fake/plated, karat, weight). Time to roll on down to the local liquor store - I'm thinking vodka and whiskey cases!

I see. You were just joking about trying to get out with your pants on, on a losing bet. My apologies. But why be so defensive about Ford? Why would you care if Ford is down along with the rest of the market? Btw, 10% in 2-3 days is HUGE for a large cap stock like F, not that you care, because of-course you don't.
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Because you continue to mis-quote me, mis-state various facts and mis-understand my various posts regarding Ford I am discontinuing this conversation with you.

In fact I'm discontinuing any mention of Ford in general since no one here but Tootsie (and myself as an observer) gives two shits about Ford's stock price. I think I've made enough of a fool of Tootsie and his market prowess and don't want to keep flogging a dead horse.

As to your ability to converse in 5 languages, I am not impressed if the things you say in the other 4 are as stooopid as what you say in English.

Heh, I don't get it bub. Are you saying that real Americans like me want all them immigrants to be coming in here? I got some Puerto Ricans in my bowling league but that don't mean I want them living in my neighborhood.

And who are them people you mention at the end there - Gates, Cheney, Blankfein? Do they play in the American or National League cause I never seen any of them ever take the field.

I think I've made enough of a fool of Tootsie and his market prowess and don't want to keep flogging a dead horse.
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Well, Q, by my reading of the conversation, our stock picker set you up for a fall. But I'm glad you showed him. I hope you cut your loses. You know what they say: Your first loss is your least loss. :D

Yea , Ixnei. You can't lose stocking booze. The price keeps up with inflation and the stuff never goes bad. If the SHTF Butts and alcohol will be MAJOR barter items. I also save all my coppers, pre -82, they are worth 3 cents apiece now. When the paper doller becomes valueless, sooner rather then later, we will still need a standard medium of exchange.

"People imitate what they see on tv. Archie Bunker was the start of mean tv and it continued right through to married with children toEverybody loves Raymond, who no one loved.Shows about nasty families." -teddyboy46-

In one week we've gone from "archie bunker" as a metaphor, to "archie bunker" as the start of "mean TV" to our very own CFN, "archie bunker" as a poster.

So - to "archie bunker," the new poster - you're going to have to be clear about what you are trying to communicate.

Otherwise, one more "archie bunker," only adds to the Cluster F*cked Noise @ a Cluster F*ck Nation.

I didn't metion nickles. Get ten bucks worth at the bank and you just made 30% profit. They are worth 6.5 cents each.

Lbendet, I sure hope your cat starts feeling better. When I was a kid, my mom had a cat named 'Joey' and she really loved that cat a lot. One time he got sick (but I don't think he was really sick. I think he was just lazy). Anyway, my old man tried to shove some Castor Oil down his gullet. Kitty kept spewing it back up so my old man got a turkey baster and went in the other way. It seemed to work because Joey got up right away and started walking around. But, we did have some oily floors for awhile. My old man kept making me wipe up the oil drops which kept on happening for a few days.

Almost.
Everything is heavily wrapped and then it is people´s fault because they make too much garbage.
Or it is just an excuse to tax more.
I live in Germany now and in the country.
I dispose of most of my garbage in my garden.
The only problem is plastic. (I burn paper)
I try to buy the least I can.
I do not use plastic bags, the bottles here are disposed of in the shop (you pay a caution that they give back when you bring back the bottles).

I know somebody who invented a great machine that burns garbage and makes electricity out of it.
They refuse to give him the patent and the permission to develop his idea.
I would love that.
You get rid of garbage and produce your energy.
I guess it is the second part that disturbs most.
How could they make profits selling electricity if everybody could make it?
And they would also lose the profit from garbage recycling.

Heh Patrizia, why is your name spelled that way? In America, we spell it Patricia. But, don't get me wrong, I ain't making fun of your name. It really sounds exotic and I bet you are a really smart and beautiful woman. Foreign women are really hot.

Anyway, pay no attention to my blubbering. My question is why can't they make boats that have engines that run on garbage? You know like that boat in the movie 'African Queen' where Bogart kept throwing wood or coal into the boat engine. I bet them Rednecks in Gooberland fishing on the Swanee River wouldn't be catching as many of them record bass if they had to stoke their boat engines with old paper, pasteboard boxes and used underwear. I hate watching TV and seeing all them Johnny Rebs with their fancy bass boats and fishing "uniforms" catch all them big fish and make all that money while somebody like me has to really work for a living.

P.S., I think St. Louis burns garbage and creates a big percentage of their electricity from that. I'm sure you're smart enough to check that out. Don't take my word for it cause I don't know much about electricity except to not stick something metal into a wall outlet (I learned not to do that when I was 8 years old).

Heh Ripped, that's a really smart thing to be doing. I can see that you have a brain in that noggin of yours. I will pay close attention to what you post on this blog as opposed to some other people who are just "college smart."

I could stock the stuff anywhere I want. I could put it in my garage cause there is a lot of room in there. But, I'm sure the "booze" that you are talking about is something like Jack Daniels or Jim Beam. Wine needs to be kept cold and so does beer. Thanks for the tip buddy. I'm gonna start my own collection pretty soon.

At one time, they actually did have boats that used coal or wood as a fuel source but that is ancient technology. It would be preferable to break down garbage into Methanol and then you could use it as a gas or liquid in a boat engine. Of course there would probably have to be some redesign of the boat engine. I never took any engineering classes when I went to U.C.L.A. so I don't know how that process would work.

I do know that during World War II, the Germans used synthetic fuels including Methanol and "liquid" coal, especially for their tank engines. Toward the end of the war, that was about all they had since they had lost access to the Ploesti oil fields. I hope this info helps.

Ack! I left out the links showing solar irradiance/sunspot cycles, and atmospheric CO2 accumulation:

http://www.columbia.edu/~mhs119/Solar/
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Carbon_Dioxide_400kyr.png - 800,000 year old ice core data also available, shows pretty much identical thing [

So, as you can see, predictions #2/3/4 are pretty much *no-brainers*.

LOL @ botched formatting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Carbon_Dioxide_400kyr.png

800k year data also

CO2 accumulation
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And? How is that relevant to anything?

You couldn't have spent as much time around the trades as I have in the last 30+ years without seeing what immigration has done to the working class in America, especially in the West.

It's been a tragedy, and more often then not these "workers" are the one's voting Republican now. But who can blame them, the Dems haven't done a damn thing for the working or middle class in 30 years, and you have to be one hell of an optimist to see that changing.

Dolan said, "It's easy for you to sit in your comfortable chair at home or work, put your white fingers on a keyboard and blog that somebody is a racist."

I agree Dolan. The "Racist" card is overused by the pro-open borders people. The education in racial issues was so intense and continual in my primary schooling. I remember watching the entire 'Roots' series in social studies. I remember all the other books and movies studying the history of black people in America. In college I read "A Different Mirror" and "People's History", Toni Morrison, Twain, and many others. I felt like I knew more about black people than most black people. I like black people, I am friends with black people.

It is also conversely true, I think, that someone could be exposed to the same education and come to think that white people are evil, bad, etc. I think that this is the case when I am talking about immigration or overpopulation and policy- there is this set of people whose brains are constantly "click-whirr" trying to conjure up the hidden motivation behind words and arguments, as if they are the key to evaluating a person.

This type of person evaluates people, not arguments. He is constantly concerned with having the politically correct view, as he assumes that others evaluate his person based on what he professes to believe. In other words, for him, whether a person is talking about politics, religion, or specific issues, the purpose of discourse is not philosophic clarity, truth, or social communion, it is to establish confederacy with like-minded people.

For example, on this board, people like Old69- are clearly not interested in other people's point of view. Old69, in fact, distills the essence of this type of person and lays it out beautifully as the psychic schizophrenia of someone who chronically denies the existence of factual reality or ultimate truth as a impossible and arbitrary. The problem is that this kind of non-thinking leaves someone with a whole lot of absolute nothing to talk about. Past the ridiculous sound-bite nonsense of "No one is illegal" there is no conscious rationale or consistency. For socially functional types (not Old69) that means a severely limited capacity to grasp the bigger picture, which is really not necessary for human beings- the social animal can exist quite happily within a community without a need to know anything beyond their social functional role.

The role of institutional education on racial issues was to provide the majority of people who are incapable of broader intelligence the simple reflex of familiarity with an integrating population against the backdrop of the old, more segregated society. It worked to the extent that many white people, in particular, no longer saw any racism in society.

Anyway, my main point is that Old69 is a complete idiot without any cogent ideas.

Perhaps if both political parties had not been taken over by big money, and the investor mentality, working people would hear things that were in their interest.

It's darn funny how when a disabled person gets 600 hundred dollars a month its welfare, but when it's an oil company that makes billions in profits every year, and they are given tax money for no work, it's a tax cut that must be protected at any cost.

And I don't remember anyone complaining that we were going to destroy oil company executive's self esteem by giving them welfare, nor the bank people that were back stopped by public money.

DOW down more than 500 pts.

Old69 said, "That is taken care of, I haven't had a boner in more than 10 years (and then just barely),"

It is my intuition that you are confined to a wheelchair. Is this correct? The reason for your run-on sentence style of grammar is due to the economy of using some kind of disabled-access device to create Text. Is this correct?

Here is my take: ever played chess against the computer? There is something predictable about its moves. My advice is to allow the market to crash, then, move in a buy everything up. If you wanted to sell to avoid losses, you missed your window. Selling now is just stupidity. This will bottom soon and then the robot capital will start gobbling up deals & steals.

If what you mean by the "illogical worship of diversity" is that it's an extremist position, then I'm with you. But multi-culturism per se is a good thing for the obvious reasons: exposure to different world-views and variety in how to live. When unfettered immigration leads to the inability to assimilate, and to resentment, then it's not healthy for the host society. And in many cases that's what's happening here in America.

Wage,

Jumby was running on pure adrenalin at first. He couldn't walk straight and his right left paw wasn't doing it's job. When awe tried to get him to lie down with us all he wanted to do was to get to a high vaunted place in the room. It took many attempts to get him to stop, but it was falling on the floor from the bed to get him to stop.
We have him back after taking him to a neurologist and he has given us hope that Jumby will regain his ability to walk but prob. not like he used to. We'll take what we can get. He's resting and periodically tries to get up on his own. The vet says if it's what he thinks it is, it will improve daily with our help.

Keeping my fingers crossed!

I live surrounded by conservation land. We see deer bounding through our back yard, coyotes, foxes, a large variety of birds,and smaller mammals as well as frogs, snakes and turtles. All this 10 miles from downtown Boston. There are plenty of woods just past the boundaries of the conservation land, and little by little it is being developed. Just a few days ago I was driving down the street and I saw another swarth of trees cut down to make room for yet another house. This pains me.

Stock Market down 440 points. Guess we should have kicked the can a little harder. I hope Congress enjoys their 5-week undeserved vacation. Can't wait for the Chinese to call in their loans. Then you will see the noodles hit the fan.

"DOW down more than 500 pts."

How about that? 11,3xx and dropping. Wonder how many elites *took the advice* and "shorted" the FSCK out of everything they could possibly "short" their hands on? Also wondering how much vacation Congress takes each year (haven't they already been AWOL for a month or so?)?

metuselah wrote:
" "CO2 accumulation" And? How is that relevant to anything?"

LOL - you're kidding, right? Thought so. If not, see basic chemistry.

rippedthunder wrote:
"If the SHTF Butts..."

I roll my own - Drums, mostly. I suppose cartons of Marlboro Reds or Camels might be the best "generic" choice?

Bustin J wrote:
"I remember watching the entire 'Roots' series in social studies."

Now I feel old - I remember watching it premiere "live" on TV...

Watching the cat and Dylan Ratigan.

Looks like the stock market is performing very poorly. Politics that resembles a slow secession and civil war isn't going to help the elite as much as they think it will.
After all, business as usual allows them to operate without scrutiny.

The right wing thinks they'll make Obama look bad and thus they will win the next election, but do people not see how far these guys will go? Why in the world do people want to elect people into government who want government to fail? How do they expect this country to function?

Those who still see this political system as a right/left scenerio might not like what they're seeing.

Procon, I have to agree with you. Concerning India (and China) I don't think their huge populations came about from lack of multi-culturism. Both countries have historically been VERY multicultural. I believe their populations are so great because of time - their civilizations have lasted for several thousand years. In particular, when civilization was arising along the Fertile Crescent, it was already blooming in the Indus Valley.

Can the elite who run things really be so incredibly stupid to think what they're doing will benefit them in the end? I shudder to think this might be true.

Actually, upon further thought, maybe the elite have succumbed to the madness that seems to pervade our society. Could their be such a thing as mass cultural madness?

LOL - you're kidding, right? Thought so. If not, see basic chemistry.
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No, I'm not kidding. What basic chemistry should I be looking at?

Bustin buddy, I could go into a lot of verbiage about my not being a racist but I think it would be better if I just gave a brief background on what I do for some "fun".

For almost 20 years now I have served as a volunteer for the Jules Stein Eye Institute at U.C.L.A collecting used prescription eyeglasses for the needy. U.C.L.A. has a program that supports Doctors Without Borders and the Flying Samaritans. What these guys do is go to countries in South America and as far away as Africa and perform free eye operations and eye exams and also provide these impoverished people with the donated glasses. These doctors also go to Mexico and sometimes perform acts of charity in L.A. because this city has a lot of poor people too.

Over the years, I have collected thousands (not hundreds) of donated eyeglasses for these MD's. If anybody doesn't believe me, they can just call the Development Office at Jules Stein. Every year I receive an invitation for a luncheon up in Beverly Hills along with other volunteers.

The point I'm trying to make here is not that I'm some type of "special" person. I think the doctors fit that description. The point is that I have donated lots and lots of time to this project because I have to try to convince people to donate their glasses and then I have to pick them up and ship them to U.C.L.A. And guess what. The people that are the recipients of these eyeglasses are almost all "little brown people" as Dale has referred to them. Yeah, I'm a real racist.

Hi, Dolan.

If you are going to use it for justifying personal racist beliefs ("damn right I'm a racist"), it seems to me that you completely missed the point of charitable giving and other kinds of public service. The help goes to those who need it. The needy aren't neatly divided up racially according to some kind of affirmative action poverty program. The poor in America are disproportionately minorities, those whom you affectionately call "brown people."

So who exactly do you think needs your charity, white yuppies? Rich retired Baby Boomers on multiple pensions?

It'd be like if you volunteered for Habitat for Humanity and then went to New Orleans and complained, "All these people whose houses we're fixing are black!"

The white people don't need the free glasses, because on average their households are 15x more wealthy than the brown people's. They generally can afford the glasses or have health care.

Here, read this.

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

Blacks (or African Americans...whichever nomenclature you prefer) and Latinos (primarily Mexicans) are very poor when compared next to white households in America.

Now we can debate the reasons why. I'm sure that would be, uh, interesting with racial paladins like Vlad contributing to the discussion about how IQ testing justifies personal racist belief systems.

But the point is, rather, that many people in minority groups are desperately poor. It is a fact. If you're going to help someone out, who else do you expect to be the beneficiary here in the US?

And, BTW, there are many poor/homeless/destitute white people out there, too. If you want to help them out specifically, I'm sure you can find them.

and his right left paw wasn't doing it's job.
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Lbend, I'm going to try very hard right here NOT to say something really sarcastic ... but what is a right left paw?

I'm with you too Bean, I eat more salsa than ketchup. I love Italian too. It just better when you join the mainstream like the Italians.

Turkle, do you know how many times I have been asked to volunteer for things like 'Heal the Bay' (environmental), send CARE packages to the soldiers (this really happened), help PETA (yep, them too), etc. Guess what, a whole bunch of those things are mostly for white people like me. The point is that I could easily volunteer for "white things" if I wanted to.

I don't do this just because these people are of any particular color. But, if I was a racist, would I spend so much time doing things for people who just happen to be Hispanic or would I turn my back and walk away because I already know who is on the receiving end of this help. Get it?

BTW, you didn't really read my post and understand it, did you? I was being sarcastic when I said I was racist. You actually thought I was being a smart-ass by actually exclaiming real racism and then trying to condone it by some acts of kindness and thereby basically sticking my middle finger out at everybody. And I didn't refer to these folks as 'little brown people', Dale did. Do you actually read these posts and understand what people are trying to say here.

Did OLD69 really say he didn't have a boner for over 10 years? Who would say something like that? I had me an uncle who couldn't get a woodie for years but he never told anybody except my old man who is his brother. He finally went to his doctor and got some pills and my old man said that my uncle's schwanz worked okay after that. Sounds like OLD69 needs to get some meds. I hope it works out okay for him, poor old guy. .

Thanks for the info buddy. But, I really would like to see those cornpone bass-asses have to row their damn bass boats out in the lake. They can buy the best boats and the best rods and reels and even hire fishing guides. Then they catch big fish and want people like us to fall down on our knees and worship them like they were God's gift to a lake.

I didn't know that the Krauts used liquid coal in the war. I wonder how they made the coal into a liquid. Maybe the Nazi officers made the Kraut grunts eat the coal and then squirt it out their rear ends into oil barrels. Ha-ha-ha.

Ploesti sounds like the name of some guy who owns and runs a Polish deli.

Q.
That's really funny I meant the front left paw---see politics went to my head. I was typing on a laptop set up for me so I could watch the cat. He's struggling to get to his feet and was successful in walking to the bedroom from the living room, so we're excited, but he can get hurt.
I'll be working on a project tomorrow, so it will be hard to watch him.

He's exhausted from his 20-step stroll.

The process for converting coal into liquid petroleum products such as gasoline is called the Fischer-Tropsch Process, and was subsequently employed by the South Africans as well, during the oil embargo against the white supremacist regime there. The biggest draw-back to that process is that it produces 7 tons of carbon dioxide for each ton of liquid synfuels it produces. The U.S. Air Force has been sponsoring research into this and similar processes such as converting natural gas into jet fuel. Natural gas makes extremely clean burning kerosine but I don't recall how price competitive kerosine derived from that process is compared to the regular sort refined from liquid petroleum.

I think your cat is going to be okay, I really do. Pick your cat up and touch him a lot. Animals are like little kids. They like to be touched. The cat probably thinks that you are its mommy. My mom used to hold her cat Joey all the time and it seemed to always make him happy.

I would advise you to stay away from the stock market. My brother tried to play computer stocks in the late nineties and got his butt handed to him. I never mention that to him because my brother is a hot head and he's a lot bigger than me. When we were kids he used to beat the crap out of me all the time.

I think people who are losing money in the stock market right now are really stupid. Everybody is out of work. Who's going to be buying all of these stocks anyway? My brother (the hot head) just lost his job. Now he's gonna be in an even nastier mood all the time if that is humanly possible.

Fischer-Tropsch sound like German names. Sounds like the Krauts are still at it.

That 7 tons to 1 ton ratio seems like a lot. I wonder if they could somehow capture all that carbon dioxide and store it or use it somehow. It must get used for some purposes. A few weeks ago, a huge truck passed me on the highway that had a big tank of carbon dioxide. They don't truck things around unless they can make money off of them. Plants use a lot of carbon dioxide. Maybe they could somehow use it to grow vegetables or fruit. Heh, maybe some people could use it to grow weed. You hear about all of those indoor weed farms that the cops and feds are always busting into.

I have been reading this blog for a long time before I ever decided to write anything in it. I looked at all the screen names and they seemed pretty weird to me. I was reading the blog today and I saw that somebody mentioned the name 'Archie Bunker' and a light suddenly went on. I'm kind of like Archie because I only have a high school education and I actually work at what you would call a blue collar job. But, I'm not stupid and I really meant what I said about those bass fishermen. I fish a lot too and those people make me want to take my power drill to their boat bottoms and maybe their other bottoms too.

One thing I have noticed is that some people on this blog use a lot of profanity and I don't think that's a good thing since there are a lot of women also posting on this blog. And people seem really angry a lot and think they know everything about everything. That is really okay with me because there do seem to be a lot of intelligent people on this blog. I just wish some of you would stop acting like the other folks here are idiots and belong in a mental hospital (well maybe OLD69 does, sorry OLD69). I hope I don't get thrown off this blog for what I'm saying but it's really how I feel.

"That's really funny I meant the front left paw.."
-LBend, to Q-

Funny enough to make me laugh, anyway. And in the morning, I've got to get some work done on the back rear tire on my truck.

Good luck with your cat, Lbend.

rippedthunder wrote:
"If the SHTF Butts..."

I roll my own - Drums, mostly. I suppose cartons of Marlboro Reds or Camels might be the best "generic" choice? -IX

Lawdy, Lawd, NO!
Zig-Zag makes the absolutely best blend, bar none, packaged in a metal "tin" with a good aluminum seal. Pre-made cigs are gonna go stale very quickly and become even nastier than they already are. ;o)

And, geez, get offa that Sumatran skunk-weed that is the colonial remnant of Dutch capitalists and slavers! (Yes, I'm kidding, but try a tin of Zig-Zag full-flavor blend; I don't think you'll return to that dried-out shag. [Considered opinion of a looooongtime smoker who's tried 'em all, but ain't 'llowed to dabble na'more.])

Go, cat, go!

Hope he'll do well. It's an awful thing to see animals suffering, as they can't tell you where or how much it hurts. A good friend had to euthanize an old pet yesterday, and had to go by the vet's prognosis. Tore him up pretty bad because he wasn't sure if the dog could have lived somewhat longer without terrible pain.

Best wishes to the puddy-tat; go, cat, go!

"get offa that Sumatran skunk-weed that is the colonial remnant of Dutch capitalists and slavers!"

Heh, actually the "good ole" Drum was the Virginian blend, that was shipped to Holland, mixed with a Turkish blend, then packaged as Drum and shipped back here. Pretty sad, indeed. Talk about a massive carbon footprint...

I was hardcore into 3 Castles tobacco - a light Virginia blend (in a nice round "green" tin), but they went belly up years ago (still have a web site?
http://www.3castles.com/
).

Believe it or not, Bugler is a nice rough-cut light tobacco - closest I've found to 3 castles, without going to a tobacco specialist house. I still prefer the Drum fine-cut, but the last fifth of the Drum pouch ends up being nothing but *SHAKE* dust...

progress2conserve wrote:
"I've got to get some work done on the back rear tire on my truck."

An F350, *to be sure*!!! LOL, nothing but crickets about my 16 day old prediction, with *NO* debt ceiling issues (11.3K). Wonder who took my advice, and shorted 1 month. I mean, how could I have poasted since *THEN*, unless it came *TRUE*... (ZZZzzz...)

metuselah wrote:
"No, I'm not kidding. What basic chemistry should I be looking at?"

OK, I was being a bit facetious (sarcastic? asinine?). It's actually more like college-level physics, concerning gaseous CO2 scattering of infrared radiation (diffusion - 1-dimensional differential equations). The following page explains how *CO2 IS RELEVANT* in an absorption-scheme:

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

As to ancient (walking-dead) animals that are still kept alive via drugs - I went through an ordeal back in Oct '10. My 13.6 year old Shetland Sheepdog was stumble-walking, and I nursed him for 2 months in this condition. I really wish I had put him down/out of his misery sooner - but I had a hard time letting go. As a pet owner, these are things we own/are responsible for - and I just couldn't justify taking him in for euthanasia (convenient cop out, really). I think Tripp has a good feel for this sort of reality...

What ever happened to that Bay Aryan/James guy? I really miss laughing at his $22 million/year revenue (military-industrial-complex) business...

TO EVERYONE I USED LOL WITH.

As RippedThunder clarified, yes I did think it meant Lots of Love, and not Laugh Out Loud.

I was NOT laughing about Ibendet's cat.
I think that was understood, I hope.

We're so *PROUD*, we got OBL. Indeed, we got him within 30 miles of where he received his dialysis treatment, 1 day prior to 9/11/2001.

And how could we have known (!!!), he'd *STILL* be within 30 miles of that very same military treatment center? 'Sif he still needed treatments - heh. At least it took *ONLY* 10 years/6 trillion $$$...

RIIIGHT. And *WE* landed on the Moon, too - don't cha know! Who cares about Van Allen belts, or solar radiation?!...

Yes it was the Germans who came up with that. They used it during WWII to make so called ersatz fuels. The Germans also synthesized EDTA as well. EDTA is used in IV and oral chelation therapy to remove heavy metals from the circulatory system. It is also used to flush arterial plaque out via the urine and stool. And yes, carbon dioxide is worth money and is used in horticultural applications such as making medicinal cannabis more resinous and potent. But the fact remains that the Fischer-Tropsch process is dirty and releases a great deal of CO2 which would have to be sequestered or disposed of somehow. It might make more sense to just use that coal to generate electricity and charge up battery powered machines. Or it might make even more sense if we learned to live without being dependent on all of these machines since we're currently too lazy to do much of anything without them.

In light of this week's raising of the debt ceiling and austerity deal, which will hit black Americans particularly hard, I wonder what Obama thinks of the 1970s flick "Blackenstein"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0Fxt4LVUQg&feature=related

In light of this week's raising of the debt ceiling and austerity deal, which will hit black Americans particularly hard, I wonder what Obama thinks of the 1970s flick "Dr. Black and Mr. Hyde"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6lztwNQLDY&feature=related

OK, I was being a bit facetious (sarcastic? asinine?). It's actually more like college-level physics, concerning gaseous CO2 scattering of infrared radiation
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It's more like graduate level work, or NASA level work. Cutting edge work. And there are still huge unknowns to be answered:

New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism
http://t.co/ooQrPj6
via @forbes

Hi Marc,
Have you had a chance to read the book titled: 'The Myth Maker - Paul and the Invention of Christianity'? It's written by Hyam Maccoby. He's a great scholar and has written several fascinating books on the subject. Anyway, if you haven't, I highly recommend it.

Vlad, you might like to check out Hyam Maccoby as well.

"...nothing but crickets about my 16 day old prediction, with *NO* debt ceiling issues (11.3K)."
-IX

I s'pose it was because you were [mostly] preaching-to-the-choir on that particular scam.

Here's an article by a Green Party member that lays out the actors and their roles in the con pretty well. (Again, more choir-preaching for most of us, but it's clear and compact.)

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28744.htm

Ps. I didn't know that about the seafaring bales of tobacco! That's goin' some distance for a smoke, what-what? ("I'd walk a mile for a Camel"? Ha! That's for pikers. ;o)

Anyone go the the Wisconisn state fair this year? It seems another bout of racial attacks occured there last night of course blacks attacking whites.

So there we have it, America's cities are expensive to maintain infrustructure that are being destroyed by low IQ mentally damaged black males and their stupid leadership that is trying to drive white taxpayers out of the cities.

If you are going to use it for justifying personal racist beliefs ("damn right I'm a racist"), it seems to me that you completely missed the point of charitable giving and other kinds of public service.
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Turkle,
I think you did miss Dolan's irony here. His posts the last couple of days are nothing if not a full throated denial that he is a racist. In reality, he's probably pretty average in such feelings.

People are complex, and contain a lot of contradictions. Most people have racially biased thoughts on occasion. What matters is....are you aware of it?....and, do you allow yourself to believe it?

I don't know what's going on in Dolan's head (and I don't thing I want to) but I think "he doth protest to much", when some of his verbage here was questioned, but that's something for him to look into.

I don't think it matters that much that people have ethnic friends. You just make the "friend" an exception, happens all the time. Racist attitudes tend to break down the more one becomes personally associated with the objects of racist feelings. It's easy to hate a "group", a lot harder to hate a "person".

Venting racist thoughts on a website isn't right...but it's better than a lot of alternatives. Hopefully, there will always be people here who will turn the mirror around and point it back at such expressions.

Whether we like it or not, a lot of immigrants are here now, and there is no way were going to be able to send them back. Get use to it, you'll be healthier for it.

"Oh Yes, in less then 12? Hours this threads gone to s*it." -asia-

Amazing. Fabian managed to get himself banned, which improved the thread tremendously. But, somehow along the way, I lost my second ever CFN handle of "progress,conserve."

Asia, did you get banned too? That's crazy!

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On another note, if I smoked - I would take a shot at growing tobacco. There are all sorts of heirloom and open pollinated varieties, available legally in seed form. Cheap, too, when compared to store-bought tobacco products.
http://www.thetobaccoseed.com/

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On another note, ixnei - nope, it's a little Mazda/Ford Ranger that get's 29 MPG.

And you may have been right 16 days ago. You were in good company. There's been a lot of extra chatter lately about a stock market collapse. But I didn't get out, and lost multi-thousands by being in the markets day before yesterday. I think everything I owned except one bio tech and the TIP, Inflation Protected Treasury fund, went down.

Oh well, it'll come back. And the dividend payers will keep paying dividends. And over the next 10 years the dollar will be worth 1/2 as much anyway - so certain stocks and hard assets are going to be the only way to stay ahead, IMO.
And if not, screw it!
I'll gather acorns in the woods and plant tobacco to trade.
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I'm gonna quit for now, before I get banned again.
Strange.

Okay, glad you cleared that up for us.
Now, what do you [personally] intend to do about it?

(Just to let you know, I won't be available to "help" for the rest of my life, as I'll be busy with other things.)

Still getting banned heh my friend? tsk,tsk. Now get the hell outta the way! I'a be headed out 'da door! The sky be fallin'!
http://finance.yahoo.com/marketupdate?u

There is nothing I can do to help blacks, they are saddled with a large portion of their demographic as being near mentally retarded plus growing up in a horrible enviroment. Even Jim has labled them infantile in their political form, and the political form is an extension of their culture.

The Philly bus shooting was commited by black males who frankly had gestures that mimicked monkees. These black males are the product of generations of dysgenic breeding coupled with a drug and alcohol culture that all but doomed them.

Even the white libs are fleeing the cities, and what do blacks say but racist taunts and threats. Our cities are doomed, its over.

Soros and Bloomberg are buying an army with 130 million for the election year. This is Soros' style, smash and grab the oligarch way. So even the oligarchs of the hedge fund world are turning against America the superpower, it's over.

Thruout the election year mobs will run riot thru our cities destroying the wealth of the middle class and the upstart rich, and then out of it all the oligarchs will step in and buy on the cheap, it's over.

One day the president, a hapless caricature of some sociology professor's idea of the future's lumpen man will issue a Mugabe like speech. He might be unaware or even innocent of its nature, but this will destroy what is left of the legitimacy of America's institutions and then the hedge fund vultures will set upon America's carcass as they have done to other hapless countries, it's over.

It's over.

Hi newworld, you and Vlad should get together. You can prctice your knots.

Sorry Q I dropped an A.

Thanks Bubble. So, I was right about how carbon dioxide can be used for weed production. But, you are right when you point out that it would be much better to use coal in other ways. I hope the people that run our country don't turn to making liquid coal. It seems like it would just dirty up our country even more and continue wrecking our environment.

Ha, ha, Dale and Turkle.

You've spent a lot of time parsing Dolan's comments.

Then a semi-literate full-fledged racist spews incoherent rage all over the page, and you are silent.

What's up with that?

Here's the problem with censorship.

Although Fabian is gone, so is Asoka.

And Prog keeps getting banned.

Collateral damage. It's not worth it.

It's hard to believe in white supremacy when you read newworld.

Am I banned?

Now wait just one minute here. If black people are the result of bad breeding, then how do you explain all of their excellent athletic achievements? Their high school football teams used to always beat the crap out of our high school football team.

Didn't slave owners used to breed their slaves so they came out with very strong people who could do a lot hard work in very tough conditions. I don't think they would have bred weaklings since they made all their money off of the hard work of their slaves. And all of those horrible conditions on those slave ships would mean that only the strong would have survived.

The comments about blacks acting like monkeys sounds pretty racist to me. People jumped all over this guy Dolan and made him out to be somewhat of a racist. But, referring to blacks and monkeys like this sounds pretty racist to me.

Quess not. Buy Captain Morgan, vodka and whiskey. Grain alchohol is a smart buy also. Seagrams 7 fifths (750 ml for iPod nerds) less than $10 in Delaware. Why does it say pissant is gone? He will be back by Monday probably as Liberace.

You say that you have collected thousands of glasses for this charity that you mentioned. How did you get all those glasses? Are you retired? Do you go door to door like some kind of salesman or do you just walk up to people and ask them if they can help you? It seems like it would take an eternity to collect all those eyeglasses. I'm not saying that you are B.S.'ing or anything. I'm just wondering how you do it.

The fantasy is over, even Obama's wealth transfer schemes shall come to naught. The people he was going to tax into oblivion have lost at last count in the past two weeks over 10% of their wealth on a static basis, going forward its cost to the tax base is nearly incalcuable in size.

As I've said the hedge fund pirates are in part done with America outside of its treasury debt having only short term value. Soros and Bloomberg are assembling an army of psychopaths with a vanguard of the passive-aggressives we see here taunting people with the moniker "racist", these two groups will assmemble and completely wreck large swaths of the country.

They will be told to mobilize against the Tea Party and other "racists" (this means nothing more than code for whites) and they will attack.

Then the oligarchs move in and take up large swaths of real estate for pennies on the dollar.

The only thing to debate is in which city this all starts?

Soros and Bloomberg
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What's the net worth of Soros and Bloomberg?

"He will be back by Monday probably as Liberace."

Ha! My grandfather used to cut Liberace's hair in Milwaukee, WI. I never knew then, but have found out since, that gramps was involved with the local mafia there. Guess there's no way getting around that, in those days - gotta pay protection money...

As for CO2, I personally use it to produce carbonated water in a 5 gallon keg. 1/4 100% fruit juice and 3/4 carbonated water makes for an excellent soda alternative (haha, corn syrup/artificial sweeteners, artificial flavors, and artificial colors - FD&C red still cancerous?!..)

I used to keg my secondary beer batch, but it's too inefficient (and costly) to homebrew, compared to the excellent cheap varieties of microbrew available. Sometimes it *DOES* make sense to mass-process (I bet for x gallons, a microbrewery uses 1/4 the energy and 1/5 the water that a homebrewer x gallons does). I had a friend who used to bubble CO2 in his aquarium - it lowers the pH (water here is 8 - 6.5 is optimal for fish/plants), and also give aquatic plants a major boost. I'll have to tell you later about my non-CO2 100 gallon aquarium with real plants, gotta go...

Yes I thought LOL meant Lots of Love.
My Bad.
Glad you two know me enough to have figured that out.

I've been trying to post, and keep getting that I need to log in again, after I just did. time and time again.

so here I go again. hope it goes thru.

Soros' family controls over 20B in their hedge fund that just went private, Bloomie I believe just a shade over a meager billion.

Just read an article from a CT paper about the second try to form the "Coffee party", and I will assume this is to assmemble the white effite passive-aggressives like the type here who spew one word and one word only "racist."

Its target will be the Tea Party, and frankly their intimidation tactic might work especially if they attack using black and brown males as the vanguard of physical violence.

So if a TP type starts talking of a rally to be held anywhere near public transportation we here in America could see what will become the flashpoint of America's ruination (and of course oligarch profit).

I agree with Jim, American Exceptionalism is dead.
We are now a banana republic just waiting to be plundered, the USSR with slightly better weather.

YES my Bad, thank you so much for helping out.
I haven't been able to post. not sure why, wasn't kicked off or anything.

finally it seems to be working.

I need to learn what these things mean.

:) I am hoping this means SMILE

Oh I had a cat that was part ocicat. Awesome beings. Very communicative. Part of the family, ha the Best part.
I have a Brown Seal Point Oriental, he is very sensitive and quiet, but he talks, and is always around us, or looking out he window, wish I could have more animals but live in apt. so lucky to have one ! He has us trained very well.

Yes glad you knew that I didn't mean I was laughing. I thought ROFL was that.

I guess I need to learn the dif between text and computer lingo.

I really hope your Ocicat recovers.

I agree.

I agree.
A more moral and ethical new beginning.

It seems it was more than way in the 70's, but maybe I was just naive back then, more so than now.

For more evidence of our destruction writ large. The stock market is yo yoing like its a third world bourse on rumours the dicatator is dead or the coup failed.

I'll let Jim handle that theme come Monday. Crazy speculation, though on a few issues I have seen the far out out of the money calls being sold for more money than what little old me thinks is prudent. (Maybe Soros and his hedgie friends want us bag holders to hold the shit sack till they can reinflate the market under the next dictator)

Soros' family controls over 20B in their hedge fund that just went private, Bloomie I believe just a shade over a meager billion.
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So $21 billion altogether. And these are the characters that are going to sink fascist AmeriKKKa with a of GDP of 15 trillion? Next time the nurse comes by your bed, you need to ask for stronger medications.

I used to think same. And the homeless were houseless not homeless. kinda like the Earth is our home.

It's all about MONEY.

Maybe it's this :

I signed in, again and again, this has happened several times recently, most recently last night, late. after many times of signing in, then creating a post, even a short one, taking 2 mins or less, I would try and submit, and it would say I had to sign in. over and over again.

Very frustrating. Maybe this is why certain posters aren't posting. They can't get thru ?

It's working today. so far.

This is getting absolutely asinine. You are referring to people like WageLaborer and Archie Bunker as some types of passive-aggressive minions who will soon join with a bunch of black psychopaths and basically attack conservative white people in America. This is the most ridiculous claptrap I have ever heard.

The other day my daughter gave me a book about psychopaths and I have been reading a lot about psychopaths lately from other sources. They are a very small minority of people in any social grouping and they most often work their nefarious deeds by themselves rather than "packing up". Yet, you talk about them as if they were in the millions and ready to perform monumental acts of violence against whites. This sounds like some type of 'Planet of the Apes' story except you are inserting black males into the part of the apes.

Thanks for the useful information.

Hey, are you talking about me?

Because, once again, you're wrong. Must have something to do with your inferior literacy prowess.

I called you a racist, but I also called you semi-literate, incoherent and an inferior human being.

And I implied very strongly that you are stupid. I'd like to go ahead and outright call you that now, so that you don't accuse me of being passive.

Obviously, I know more than one word to describe you.

Also, the deindustrialization of the United States started 30 years ago, with vast swaths of the US already decimated, and large amounts of industrial capacity rusting away.

What cities will it start in, in your Soros fantasy future?

How about East St. Louis, Detroit, Buffalo, Gary or Cleveland?

And Black people were the most heavily decimated among the victims.

I guess this whole history went over your head.

Not that that would be too difficult.

I saw a good show on TV last night about Organic Food.
and was reminded and want to remind folks on here, you can grow sprouts, alfalfa, sunflower, etc. in a jar in your kitchen. and they have more nutrients and vites than veggies, I live in an apt. so really miss having a garden, but at least we can have sprouts.

and where I live there are Organic Health Food stores everywhere,
and Patrizza, I shop using my own bags, and don't buy much packaged stuff, well try to avoid, but my husband loves that junk.

But I do what I can to not have alot of garbage to throw out, if I had a garden and land I'd have a goat, etc.

I enjoy your posts, useful info.

"On another note, if I smoked - I would take a shot at growing tobacco. There are all sorts of heirloom and open pollinated varieties, available legally in seed form. Cheap, too, when compared to store-bought tobacco products.
http://www.thetobaccoseed.com/"

Nicotine used to be the pesticide of choice, before synthetic oil-derivative toxic poisons hit the market. I wonder if Tripp has thought about planting a tobacco plant here and there, to keep the bugs away? Not sure how "friendly" that plant is, when rooted close to other varieties of crops. It's definitely too cold here for that crop - maybe in a decade or two it will warm enough to be worthwhile. However, it still might be useful just for the pesticide effects (and a free couple ounces of tobaccy)...

metuselah wrote:

"It's more like graduate level work, or NASA level work. Cutting edge work. And there are still huge unknowns to be answered:

New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism
http://t.co/ooQrPj6 "

Aha! Indeed, that link totally supports my *Atmospheric Thinning* model, which you'll not hear anyone else talk about. I've said on this site, multiple times I believe, that our burning of CO2 is boiling off the atmosphere - in effect, "thinning" it. I believe that within a few centuries, the Earth's atmosphere will be that of Mars - very, very thin. I also believe the ozone holes were NOT the result of CFC's, but rather, the result of heated CO2 (fossil fuel burning) expanding the atmosphere, allowing the solar wind to blow off a lot more of the outer (ozone) layer.

It's not going to be pretty the next 7-8 years. The atmosphere may not be breathable by humans/mammals within a couple centuries. Who gives a SH!T - I'll be dead by then (LOL - and that's *NOT* Lots Of Love).

Hidey-ho, Clusterfuckers!!

This is my first transmission from the public library, on a connection that a ton of people use, and one that requires a whole lot less maintenance and energy than an individual connection at the home of everyone using it would require. (Not to mention knocks $40 off our monthly bill load, which might not sound like much until you consider that $40 represented 25% of the load, even without counting system maintenance.)

Anyway, after some great time off in July, and the statistically-hottest day of the year bagged without AC (woo-hoo!!), I'm back at the blog with a new entry for anyone interested. This week's offering is called "Manufacturing Descent" and shares a strategy I employ for making sure that every trade and barter I engage in comes out in my favor. (Whether I actually get the upper hand in straight dollar value or not.) Might be interesting, especially for those of you who, like me, aren't the typical hard-nosed, A-type negotiators in the crowd.

http://smallbatchgarden.blogspot.com/2011/08/manufacturing-descent.html

Cheers, old friends.
Tripp

The racial attacks at the Wisconsin state fair were pretty well orchestrated by enculturation, these "race warriors" will be the vanguard of the attacks on the Tea Party as orchestrated by the Left in the coming months as Obama slips under the surface in his re-election.

If you notice something about these low IQ types is that they all wear a uniform, white Ts and dark pants, doesn't matter what city the uniform is the same, interesting.

But the part of the PAs here is to chant "racist" over and over till this uniformed army is enraged beyond reason. This is what the paid minders at Daily Kos and DU are there for, to invoke rage and to eventually enculture like the Wisconsin State Fair mindless violence in this army of PAs and uniformed thugs. George Soros is smiling, big time.

I request donations from various Protestant and Catholic churches and even from a Synagogue or two. The requests end up in the weekly church newsletters. Church members bring in their donated eyeglasses to the church offices and I go pick them up and send them off to U.C.L.A.

P.S. I have to note that the Jewish folks who work at the Jules Stein Eyes Institute have done many wonderful acts of charity for the citizens of Los Angeles and other cities and nations as well.

...And so, what would your suggestion be for us Toilet Paperers... I mean, Tea Partiers (patriots, good and true; and WHITE to boot)? What shall we do when the libs and darkies come for us at the rally[s]? Is it race war time? (I've been waiting ever so long, and with incandescent intellects and leadership like yours, VLAD, perhaps we can commence!)
Who will provide the uniforms? ...And pamphlets; we need pamphlets! ...And MONEY; we'll need lots of that! Can we get some from the Koch Bros.? (I hear they got lots.)

Okay, enough of this diversion. It was amusing for a very short while, but your white ass is going to have a lot of "incidentals" to figure out before the great-war-against-the-darkies gets going. (Actually, you'll expire before then anyway, so maybe now would be a good time to re-focus the ol' gray matter?)

"This week's offering is called "Manufacturing Descent" and shares a strategy I employ for making sure that every trade and barter I engage in comes out in my favor. (Whether I actually get the upper hand in straight dollar value or not.) Might be interesting, especially for those of you who, like me, aren't the typical hard-nosed, A-type negotiators in the crowd." -Tripp

Hey now! That would be me; thanks, I'll check it out.

Congrats on the further expenditure reduction; good to "hear" ya!

Aha! Indeed, that link totally supports my *Atmospheric Thinning* model, which you'll not hear anyone else talk about.
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I'm glad.

. were pretty well orchestrated by enculturation

. and to eventually enculture
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Enculture does not appear in the dictionary. What word did you actually have in mind?

Then a semi-literate full-fledged racist spews incoherent rage all over the page, and you are silent.

What's up with that?
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You seem to have it under control. Besides, it's just banned Jaego back under a new name.

Does seem odd that these black males all wear the same uniform white t-shirts dark pants and that their violence is limited to beatings not shootings. Tells me there is some direction here enforcing discipline so as to allow the PAs to work their chants of "racist" to intimidate not the TPers but their own little cults of white people that might be frightened away by black male indiscriminate violence using mean old nasty guns which all white liberals fear to their very core.

I'll bet these kids are getting walking around money.

wage,

If you've noticed, the discussion here has gotten a lot better this week better since the trolling was cleaned up. It was completely ridiculous at one point, with fab/OEO using something like 3 or 4 different accounts at the same time, making nonsensical replies to himself.

People can easily get new accounts if they want to post here after one account is blocked. Our little friend OEO has had around 20 I'd say. Or I'm assuming they can appeal to JHK for an "unban."

That said, I don't understand why prog or asoka got banned. I read some/most of their comments in the past, and I didn't think it was ban-worthy material.

Removing blatant off-topic trolling and flaming is necessary, or it becomes impossible to have a discussion, and people simply get sick of it (if you hadn't noticed there are lots of places to post comments on the internet) and run for the door.

OEO does the equivalent of running right into the middle of a group of people discussing something and yelling, "Hey, yer all fucktards!"

You wouldn't put up with that in real life. Why should you on the internet?

It doesn't have that much to do with censorship in his case, more like not wanting to waste time scrolling past all the off-topic garbage or deal with a random troll's harassment of other posters. If he wants to "express himself" elsewhere, like his own blog (wouldn't that be entertaining?), he's perfectly free to do so.

I'm quite literate, far better read than you. Using the "literate" rebuttal is lame. You have nothing left, your fantasy future will not happen.

Liberalism is as dead as if a "flash mob" beat it to death, finished.

Matter of diet and heredity I think. You smell like what you smell like. Chicks like it or they don't. Hopefully they do. Who gives a damn whether guys like it or not.

Okay, enough of this diversion. It was amusing for a very short while, but your white ass is going to have a lot of "incidentals" to figure out before the great-war-against-the-darkies gets going
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Nice sarcasm....Poor Vlad, he thinks we're all parsed out into different teams, based on race. It simply doesn't work that way. I have much more in common with the Asian or Black guy down the street than I do with some asshole in a motorhome in N. Idaho, who wishes he were God's gift to the human race. What a twerp.

To enculture some bacteria in a petri dish perhaps?

Then you can take your enculturation and make some cheese.

Bored mostly...I was out getting drunk.

I'm quite literate,
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Copy & Paste from David Duke does not count as literacy. Furthermore, your Soros/Bloomberg (DA JOOZ) screed shows that you have the critical analysis ability of a gerbil.

Q,
If Ford breaks below $10 on the monthly time frame, the stop down is $1.50 !!

Youz been warned! :D

Allowing the debt ceiling to rise has to be the worst move made by any administration since Herbert Hoover decided to do nothing about the Great Depression. Even the talk radio buffoons were sounding like fatalists as they contemplated an America that was heading down the same slippery slope that led the Soviet Union out of business. Once again we learned that when you live in a global economy any malfunction in one part of the mechanism will cause the whole thing to go haywire. I guess we'll have to stock up on fertilizer and plant seeds and learn how to farm.

Pro and Asoka...........
I emailed the owner of this blog and he was nice
enough to respond to my query of if he had banned the 2 of you.....
HE HAS NOT BANNED YOU..so its presumably electronic
glitches..all is forgiven.

When President Lincoln needed money to finance the government during the Civil War, he knew that the Constitution gave Congress the right to coin money (or print paper money) without borrowing it. So he ordered the Treasury Department to print up $450 million worth of "Lincoln Greenbacks."

This, of course, alarmed the Rothschilds in London, because this threatened their entire plan to control the world through debt-money. So in 1865, after Lincoln was assassinated, an editorial appeared in the London Times which said this:

"If that mischievous financial policy which had its origin in the North American Republic during the late war in that country, should become indurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without debt. It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of the civilized governments of the world. The brains and wealth of all countries will go to North America. That government must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe."

http://www.webofdebt.com/excerpts/foreword.php

It has been argued that Lincoln's monetary policy was the real reason behind his assassination. The same appears to have been the case with the Kennedy assassination a century later, after Kennedy issued debt-free US Notes in 1963.

Someone wants us to remain in debt, because the debtor is the servant of the creditor. Until, of course, the debt becomes overwhelming, and they declare a Jubilee. Jubilees are the curse of creditors. They prefer bankruptcies, where the creditors can simply lay claim to the government and whole nations, as happened in America in 1933.

Such take-overs are only feasible, however, when they are kept secret. If it were known, the people would revolt. Selah...

Heh Ozone, this doesn't look too good for the Tea Party crowd. Maybe they should have Sarah Palin cut up some white sheets and attach the small pieces to little sticks before they start any rumbles with the rest of America.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/views-congress-tea-party-reach-low-poll-135728798.html

When President Lincoln needed money to finance the government during the Civil War, he knew that the Constitution gave Congress the right to coin money (or print paper money) without borrowing it.
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That's a lie. To coin money is not the same as creating paper/digital money. What Lincoln did was illegal. The war was illegal, and his paper money was illegal. The US Constitution is a worthless piece of propaganda. It was back then, just as it is today.

"with fab/OEO using something like 3 or 4 different accounts at the same time, making nonsensical replies to himself."

Shortened form:
Sock Puppet Troll Banned.

How about that - 4 words to describe your entire sentence!!!

Efficiency is paramount to our survival. Tripp nailed it, with his library account/poast. I nailed it with homebrew -vs- microbrew. Unfortunately, the forests are being clearcut at an exponential rate (US National Forest sellout, and Amazon Basin cattle/fast-food beef), and there's nothing to sequester the atmospheric CO2, save the oceans (and the vacuum of deep-space) - oceans, which are becoming so acidic, as to kill off all remaining fish (that survived drift net overfishing).

Another way to say it is we are the laws of physics, the laws of physics exist only as a reflection of us, as a reflection of how we are configured. There is no "external universe" (as in a rock doesn't know any "laws of physics" and what happens to the "laws of physics" when you die ?) outside of us, there is only the set composed of two elements the Observer (mind) receiving signals and sending signals (sense organs, and muscle responses, etc.) to an "apparent invariant" composed of the Observed, the "external universe". But this is just an arbitrary subdivision of Matter or Mass - Energy or the Monolithic Slab of Pure Existence and Reality, a subdivision created by a quirk configuration of our mind and our rules of engagement, this subdivision, or the barrier between outside and inside, or self and not self, subjective and objective, can be any other, and modified, variant minds prove this.

I am trying to express an idea that is totally outside of our range but am forced to use our language and logic, etc. You can talk about something only according to what you already know and talk about or in terms of the familiar ?

With regards to in the block of text a few steps above:

"Matter and Mass Energy manipulated itself, played with itself up to the point of creating a thinking mind. Now something that is dead, dead just as rocks, a set of carbon atoms play around with themselves and end up creating a thinking mind, but man with all of his "intelligence" can't create a new one."

So this goes to show that Matter (in phase 1) is more capable of manipulation, of creation, is more "intelligent", sees a more complete universe (or a different universe, just like we can see a landscape and the Sun and a computer cannot) has a different decoding of the universe compared to our puny minds. Just this shows how we are living in a box, probably a very small one and very limited (we can barely reproduce some amino acids go figure). That our mind emerged from this "intelligent design" on behalf of matter is irrelevant, is a fluke, they are disconnected phases, and even if connected by what we see as "progress or evolution" it makes no difference, once a phase state of Matter is achieved and creates another universe (another Mind - Brain contraption sensing an imaginary outside world and decoding it and interacting with it according to some established laws (the laws of physics + the laws of engagement and decoding and logic of our mind)) it is disconnected from the previous state (whether connected to it through time (as in progress) or through space, or disconnected or any other option).

That was all from the second page of "NO SCIENCE ?" under natural sciences of ilovephilosophy, study it all very carefully.

A possible elaboration of the theory is also that given a sequence (separated in time (or even space or something else) as in progress) of configurations of Matter (or Mass - Energy ?) such as m1,m2,m3,m4,m5,m6 and such, that for example at m4 you have the singularity that produces the mind - consciousness of Man, but you could have another casual offshoot of a singularity happening at m3 but this mind - universe perceived, hence new universe with new laws of physics represents a barrier in the sense that it can never be reached from m4 or m5 or even m1

(in the sense that starting over from m1 the sequence will traverse to m2 but instead of m3 it goes to maybe m7 (and from there it may or may not reach m3)), the random - quirky - fluke configuration of Matter at point m3 just instantaneously created an Instant Singularity mind - brain for no reason at all, just because the laws of physics (from our point of view) are so random as in the impossibility of solving the three body problem.


continuation from:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=176094&start=25

So whether the sequence is progressing in time in the sense of evolving, or is just a sequence of random snapshots (it doesn't matter, the configurations of Matter could be all totally independent from each other, completely disconnected, or they can be connected through time (or even partially connected) or space and all other possibilities (in fact you can define a delimitation as through time, a sequence of events and their configurations of Matter could be seen as one monolithic entity or could be divided into 2 or 6 and any other permutation, etc. or divided spatially or both or any mix by any other defining dimension and so on)) whether there are patterns and regularities guiding the sequence or not, what is important is that every distinct configuration of Matter Mass - Energy can potentially lead to an Instant Singularity hence a new universe and every configuration may be a total barrier from any other as in completely non communicating and a separate entity, hence universe, hence an infinite number of new universes with new laws of physics.

Just as an FYI to everybody on this blog, I found something nifty last night. I was at my local Pep Boys and they have this special on lawn mowers. If you turn in an old and operating gas mower, they will let you have a new environmentally clean push mower for free. If you turn in your old mower and opt to get their environmentally friendly electric mower, it will only cost you $75 plus tax.

This seemed too good to be true. Then I started looking closer at the small print on one of the signs. I guess Pep Boys is no friend of the environment. It said that they lost a lawsuit against the Environmental Protection Agency and they were forced to do this. I think I'm going to get the electric mower because I have asthma and I have asthma attacks after I mow my lawn. If you saw my old gas lawnmower, you would know why.

The point is that this theory defines a universe and a set of laws of physics not as something outside of us considering us (our mind brain) as an invariant but also including us in the universe as a variant, something arbitrary, a variable, something that can be configured in any possible way and hence the universe is really the interaction between the variable mind - brain and an external universe as set up and defined by that new variable brain (observer, item that is receiving information from "outside" of itself however the outside and inside is defined and delimited) variant with an external universe.

The configuration of Matter and Mass Energy is a monolithic slab containing both the Observer and the Observed, it is seen as one unit, and the unit interacting with itself (talking to itself or if you prefer playing with itself defines the universe and laws of physics valid there) as defining a universe.


Quo Vadis Baby ? (towards the end of Last Tango in Paris ?)

So this goes to show that Matter (in phase 1) is more capable of manipulation, of creation, is more "intelligent", sees a more complete universe (or a different universe, just like we can see a landscape and the Sun and a computer cannot) has a different decoding of the universe compared to our puny minds. Just this shows how we are living in a box, probably a very small one and very limited (we can barely reproduce some amino acids go figure). That our mind emerged from this "intelligent design" on behalf of matter is irrelevant, is a fluke, they are disconnected phases, and even if connected by what we see as "progress or evolution" it makes no difference, once a phase state of Matter is achieved and creates another universe (another Mind - Brain contraption sensing an imaginary outside world and decoding it and interacting with it according to some established laws (the laws of physics + the laws of engagement and decoding and logic of our mind)) it is disconnected from the previous state (whether connected to it through time (as in progress) or through space, or disconnected or any other option).

It shows also how limited and puny all of our science and thought and logic and language are, since we can't even come close to manipulating Matter in that particular way "blind forces" do.

But even that phase 1 Matter is limited, it can only see some particular universe and manipulate it accordingly, so there are other phases of Matter, an infinite number of new Minds - Brains, hence Universes, hence Laws of Physics, etc.

But these blind forces created a stupider mind, a more limited mind (universe) just like we created a stupider mind from ours (if we accept the definition of intelligence in terms of capacity of manipulation of Matter and Reality) by creating computers, so the traditional singularity (smart machines creating smarter and smarter machines until it reaches a singularity) seems wrong from the outset, it is the other way around, what seems to happen is smarter things create stupider things. A better bet for another singularity is just sticking wild signals and chemicals in the Mind - Brain.

Another analogy to us is the computer can reason and see only bits, the data bus, the memory, its registers and sees all and everything only according to these very limited words and language compared to ours. it can't imagine or perceive that a human Mind is behind them, just like we can't imagine that "blind forces" are behind us.

Obsessive compulsive, again, I forgot many other blocks of text ? how many ? but why remember and do we always just forget to re create the same thing or is it all memorized ?

Is Matter an excuse for Information or is Information an excuse for Matter ? Which generates which ? Is Matter the substrate for the existence of Information or is Information the substrate for the existence of matter ?

Also, once a Mind - Consciousness perceiving and therefore creating a universe appears, it superimposes a symbol system on top of it, a language and thought system, a writing system, a sequence of symbols that are associated to various elements of the universe according to how it decodes it, but then it has the ability to play around with the symbols as a lightweight, nay, weightless material upon which to manipulate and interact with a picture or painting of said universe. Then in this case Matter is just an excuse, a cue for the abstraction from itself so the mind can simply play around with a denotation of such ?

Also, when a mind - consciousness perceiving and therefore creating a universe appears, it completely saturates all of the information it receives in a system of meanings, references, in a decoding and model and it seems impossible that anything can be outside of itself: like when our mind sees a landscape defined on our planet and the sun, it seems so far fetched and impossible that another mind - matter contraption, another chunk of matter simply playing with itself can perceive an even much richer and more complex and complete universe completely different from ours, but this is because we define and allocate that new chunk of matter within our system of denotations, references, decodings, within our reference systems and see and define it as a subsystem of ours, when it is in reality an independent complete and total universe upon itself (even if it occupies just a square centimeter like imagining some chip that can self manipulate and create its own universe). That it has a position and definition for us means nothing, although it is hard for us to see this, just like size and extensions and such are meaningless: only the Reciprocal Information Relationships and Interactions and Events within such create a universe.

Like If a mind is a few light years in size, the earth is just an elementary particle compared to it, or if a mind is just an electron then the earth is just a galaxy and such, ad so on.

Funny how a problem can be solved often by just explaining why something is like it is. So you are angry or unsatisfied because of A but then someone explains (or you make up a reason or whatever) that the reason is B (and if you can't "do something about it", you can't do anything about it, then the reason B becomes perfect) the problem no longer exists, your mind is in peace, the problem solved (or sometimes not, sometimes it is even worse, but explaining why something - a logical structure makes any situation more acceptable, but it is all based on the fact that 99 % of our lives are pure inventions, any activity and interactions can mean and go anywhere and be anything as in Man is the Infinitely Programmable Machine, and most problems can be invented on the fly, anything (or its opposite) can become desirable or not, a target or not, and so forth and associate any kind of random activity with the target desired (often the activity may have no connection at all to it) or even no activity at all as in "Do Nothing").

But this is the goal of all language in a sense, create local targets and solve them, local microproblems and solve them with the next symbol, word or text. So now you are ok, the problem is "solved". Just for another one to pop up and so on forever. But even this text and any other shows that no matter how many problems you solve, or explain, or mechanisms you discover (or invent or whatever), the very structure of thought, the language, the mind will just invent a new block of text, a new problem and problem solved (or not solved to invent other paths ?) a new target, start point, and path, and target achieved and so on. And associated with an emotional roller coaster or not accordingly, arbitrarily and so on.

But the very reason the blocks of text never end is because the problems are never solved, because the problems don't exist in the first place or will always exist hence they are simply inventions, although often times forced by pain/pleasure circuits or imagined pain/pleasure as in 99 % of pain/pleasure is completely imagined - informational, a set of bits in the mind, a denotation, not associated to a real pain/pleasure sensation or only very indirectly, but mostly associated with the pain/pleasures imagined or invented (by social norms) or the pain/pleasure of others (and even for others, their imagined pain/pleasure is often disconnected from real sensations, they are not real emergencies of response but mostly denotations of good and bad as forced upon by social conventions which are other inventions).

So, now did I say everything ? No. Did I forget something, some intermediate block of text ? Yes. Then why don't the texts ever end ? and how is it that every block of text can be written slightly differently and imply slightly (and sometimes heavily) different meanings and associations ? How many blocks of text are between two different blocks of text ? How can one paragraph traverse to another and how many intermediate steps (texts) are there ? how many different paths, an infinite amount ? Never ending explanations ? And which block of text is the target and which the start point ? and what if they were inverted, and so on.

A sequence of never ending symbols that can go anywhere and repeat and go back and forth and anywhere...

I'm quite literate, far better read than you. Using the "literate" rebuttal is lame.
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I seriously doubt that, in spite of your many efforts to convince everyone here you're not a rat-faced little high school dropout with his baseball cap snapped to the smallest tab. Actually, I'd have more respect for you if you WERE,.... then you'd have an excuse for being so ridiculous.

But I digress......metusalah put it much better than I....

and I quote: "Copy & Paste from David Duke does not count as literacy. Furthermore, your Soros/Bloomberg (DA JOOZ) screed shows that you have the critical analysis ability of a gerbil."

Yes.....the operative element of intelligence is "critical analysis ability", without it, you're just an idiot misrepresenting the wisdom of others.


Heh, does anybody know what OLD69 is talking about? I mentioned that I only have a high school education but I don't think that's the reason I can't understand this guy. I have to page down thru a whole bunch of what he is saying to get to the people's text that I really want to look at. There are a lot of really intelligent people on this blog and I want to read what they are writing and I don't want to have to read all this other stuff.

I don't want to have to read all this other stuff.
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Doesn't your mouse have a roll tracker?

He's what we call a "scroll by". I think someone hit the nail on the head when they deduced this guy is probably a quadriplegic who has lots of time to waste, pretty bright, and extremely strange. Ever since he started saying nasty things about some of the female posters, I've lost complete interest in his ramblings.

Btw, I really like this site better now that JHK has cleaned up the joint (pun intended). No more Aunty Soak, Fabian, or other trollsters. Speaking of "cleaned up", my doctor says I can cut out the pill regimen in a few weeks. This means I can again enjoy a cocktail or two in the evening. It also means I won't need to be so dependent upon family and friends. Thanks to all you well wishers! Happy C-F'ng! A special "hello" to Jackie, a very sweet girl who has had some tough breaks. Keep the faith!

I didn't mean that I actually had to read all of his stuff. But I sometimes like to look backward and see what other people have written and his stuff just seems to take up too much space on this blog.

Hrmph - I thought the 6969 troll was KIA (Killed In Action), FSCKING spammer, and an idiot to boot.

I've got a nice push-mower - I never use it. My front yard is almost totally fruit trees/grape vines/tomato garden, and I almost exclusively use shears to keep the *OTHER* growth down...

I should invest in a scythe. My backyard - well, I mow it 3 times a year - it's in total shade from my massive deciduous trees. I could push-mow it, but wtf, I'm a lazy, 6'1" 210lb lazy *ASSHOLE*...

Just an aside - one of the whole points of this site is to not have a lawn. Asthma problem gone! I miss Tripp. Hope he didn't really leave for good.

Okay, it is all beginning to make sense now. But if this guy has a lot of time on his hands, there are a lot of other interesting things on the Internet that might make life better for him. There are all kinds of interesting sites, videos, songs, all kinds of things. The words "strange" and "rambling" are exactly what I would also use.

If you have been sick recently, I hope you get better soon.

I wish it was as easy as not having a lawn. I live in Los Angeles county and my asthma doctor says that every type of plant or tree in the world grows here because we don't have any real winters. And he says that all of the smog that is in this area is really messing with my asthma. He says that if I move most anywhere else, I will probably get better, especially because of the smog.

One thing that Old69 does consistently mention is the arbitrary nature of language, that words are not inherent significations but laminated societal approbations. In fact, the right-wing( and the left, too) have become masters of ossifying the meaning of political buzzwords, thus drowning out the possibility of reasonable, constructive debate. This is Old's most valuable contribution to this blog, IMO.

Roy Harris is doing some great stuff in this arena:

http://www.royharrisonline.com/integrationism.html

Yesterday afternoon, I received a call at work from my wife. My daughter had taken my wife and my 95 year old father-in-law to his doctor. My daughter remained in her parked Ford Focus. Some lady in one of thos huge SUV land barges drove up and couldn't get her behemoth in a parking spot. The lady started yelling at my daughter, asking her to move her car over so she could try to jam the land barge in the next stall. My daughter started her car and was going to move it but then the lady started screaming at my daughter about something so my daughter got out of her car so she could understand what was being said to her. When she did, her car door slammed shut with the keys in the ignition, the engine going and the doors now locked shut. So, I had to call the AAA out there to help them out.

God, I detest SUV's and the people who own and operate them. They are driving around, polluting the air and burning up billions of gallons of gas. I stopped this one young woman in our parking lot at work and asked her what kind of gas mileage she was getting with her big Hummer. She told me about 10 m.p.h. I told her that I thought she could save a lot of money if she got another smaller vehicle. I could have mentioned the Peak Oil/environmental thing but most of the people I work around don't give a hoot about the environment so why waste my time? I did notice that shortly after I talked to her, she was driving something besides the Hummer. Maybe I did perform some teeny itsy bitsy positive thing by pointing out to her about wasting all that money.

"You should be using M-W, Q

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/enculturation

-AK"

OMG, WTF - LOL!!! Q got schooled? Heh, he still doesn't want to acknowledge my 16 day old 11.5K Dow prediction (without his debt ceiling default)...

We want predictions here, right? HAHAHAHA!!! See predictions #2/3/4. It's gunna get *HOT*.

Another boondoggle or dog pile, whichever you prefer temporarily averted. Now I can spend my paltry disability on important life matters, like prescriptions overpriced food and gas and bank fees. Shit on all the Washington fuckers. Better living through chemistry and lies. i am making trouble? Ha!!! you bet I will

Mr. D Williams said, "God, I detest SUV's and the people who own and operate them. They are driving around, polluting the air and burning up billions of gallons of gas. "

What is interesting is trying this perspective on: in terms of resources used (fuel, space, land, water) a pet uses as much as an SUV.

Let me repeat that: a pet uses as much resources as an SUV.

I'm very pleased you're getting better. I will go out and have a few or 3 vodkas straight up, and I'll toast you, knowing that soon youll be doing the same.

You should be using M-W, Q
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Thanks for pointing this out.

I followed up on this and found that Random House, Microsoft Encarta College Dictionary and Dictionary.com all DO contain the word enculturation. (I have a Merriam Webster Dictionary around the house as well but can't lay my hands on it, but no need to since you provided the link.)

I misspoke when I said it was not in the dictionary. I should have said the word is not recognized by the spell check application that came with my operating system.

Meine liebe Patrizia, es war schon immer so... Vielleicht sind Sie nur deprimiert?

I hope this helps:
"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to heaven, we were all going direct the other way - in short, the period was so far like the present period"

CFN's atheist wunderkind BUSTIN J says " a pet uses as much resources as an SUV."
Total bullshit.

your daughter should buy a Toyota. I closed my door on my little 4 popper Toyota the other day and the door lock would not lock. My Mercedes does the same thing. I guess americans can't figure that shit out. Stupid sumbitch's.

> legal immigrants also take jobs that Americans would be willing to do - such as nurses, doctors, engineers and college professors.

Wage, we need more nurses and doctors to break up the AMA monopoly, and we need immigrant engineers because bright american kids choose english, law and banking, and other professions that contribute little to averting the impending doom... In fact, we need MORE legal immigrants with education and assets to absorb the excess real estate and start new businesses to employ americans.
Maybe I took your comment out of context or missed some subtle irony...

Trip, "small is beautiful" is the word to live by!!!
Glad to hear you're livin' the dream.

>I would like to know why I keep getting banned

I've been absent from CFN for a while, so it's news to me that you've been banned. This really puzzles me why you, one of the more reasonable and rational voices on this forum, be banned... Can't imagine JHK would ban you, could it be his overzelous webmaster minion???
Anyway, I'm glad you keep coming back.

hello Bustin, I am sure some pets use as much energy as an SUV. I have an SUV and probably drive at the most 800 miles a year.60 gallons. I also have two pets. They are yorkshire terriers and split a can of food a day. So stick that in your pipe!

I doubt that.
A [seed eating] Canary = St Bernard =SUV?

See mi post at 4.10 today.
Pro and Asoka were never banned, it was a glitch.
I had to log in 4x just now till system accepted me.

When I talk to Nurses they say theirs is now an overcrowded field.

Maybe a racehorse [groomers etc]...Not a canary.
That being said a large dog eats alot and can cost 1000$ a year an up for vet bills and food.

Well kids what is your final solution to the "white problem" you fuss and shout about constantly?

Do you advocate genocide?

Hey! Glad you're back.

I was just answering the corporate media claim "Immigrants do the jobs that Americans won't do".

I don't think that immigrant doctors break up the AMA monopoly though.

And there are plenty of American kids getting engineering degrees and not finding jobs.

I really don't think that competition is the way to a sustainable future, though.

Either we learn to cooperate, or we destroy the planet.

No one here talks about a "white problem", you blithering idiot.

You talk about a black problem. Can you comprehend the difference?

Yes. After years of "be a nurse. be a nurse. If you want a job, be a nurse" there are now more nurses than there are nursing jobs.

And the new ones work much cheaper.

Hmmm. Coincidence? I think not!

You live in LA? Don't water your lawn.

Your water is stolen from Mexico, and if you don't water your lawn, you won't have to mow it.

Or, if you do mow the dead grass, so it's attractively even in appearance, it won't aggravate your asthma.

Yes, Nurses say the work goes to Nurses aides
and LVNs [year long training]..
And there is a Filipino Nurses Association,
Nurses say the Immigrant Nurses 'cant insert a feeding tube' and 'have wrecked the Profession'.

As I said, I didn't read the blog on Monday, so I guess I missed the worst of it.

But, we still have spider and newworld, so it hasn't improved that much!

"No one here talks about a "white problem""

You feed the troll(s) (sock puppets), yet you ignore me. Am I such a total asshole, or do you simply find my chat irrelevant?

I'm thinking the end of the World, as we know it, is worth discussing. Clearcutting, massive burning of all available carbon sources, mountain topping, fracking, and the *EXTERNAL COSTS* are very pertinent. Perhaps it's just *ME*. [sigh]

I'm totally curious as to why you feed the troll. I mean, WTF - these douche-bags want predictions that come true - and my #1 (of 4) already surfaced. If I don't say so myself, I think I nailed that BYOTCH (11.4k Dow still, today).

As to #2/3/4 predictions - *HOLD YER BREATH* (literally - LOL). I'd like a dialog concerning moon landings that were during 1/2 moon phase. Just call me a skeptic of *EPIC* proportions...

If by Jaego, you mean Vlad, I don't think so.

Vlad is well read and capable of constructing a coherent sentence.

Pathetically, he recognizes newworld as a fellow traveler, reaching out to someone who is his clear intellectual inferior in order to comfort himself with a tribe.

How ironic, since his stated objection to blacks is that they are intellectually inferior.

It's sad to watch. But they are two different people, in my opinion.

I'm sorry if I seem to ignore you.

Maybe you don't realize it, but your claims are only half stated, and I'm not clear what they are.

Perhaps if you made it more clear - what you are claiming and the evidence that makes you believe this, and didn't use acronyms that I don't recognize, and references that I don't understand, I would try harder to comprehend your posts.

"Maybe you don't realize it, but your claims are only half stated, and I'm not clear what they are."

My claims/predictions were *VERY clear. #1 was that the Dow would drop to 11.5k (only took 16 days).

#2 is that this year (2011) will be the hottest year on record (gunna have to wait until after 12/31/2001).

#3 is that 2012 will be the even hotter record year (add another year - is it *CLEAR*?).

#4 is that 2013 (up to 2017) will be even hotter/record years (add 2+ years - *CLEAR* enough yet?).

How NON-clear is that - you are leaving me with a bad taste in my mouth!!! Ahahaha!

Really, you shouldn't pull that non-clear sh!t outta yer ass. It doesn't serve you very *well*.

On second thought Bustin J your pet=SUV hypothesis might be correct. I remember that my grandmother once had an unusual chihuahua named Chico. Chico's daily food requirements included 600 pounds of raw horsemeat and two 50 pound sacks of Milkbones. His water bowl was the size of an olympic swimming pool, and his farts released so much methane and CO2 that grandma was able to grow orchids and palmtrees in Dubuque IA.
In the middle of winter!
Unfortunately Chico had to be put down after he devoured two Jehovah's Witnesses who inadvertently strayed into grandma's fenced in back yard.


"devoured two Jehovah's Witnesses"

Brilliant, you FSCKING sock-puppet!!!

"hello Bustin, I am sure some pets use as much energy as an SUV. I have an SUV and probably drive at the most 800 miles a year.60 gallons. I also have two pets. They are yorkshire terriers and split a can of food a day. So stick that in your pipe!"

I suppose you are also aware of all the lives of the animals that are raised and slaughtered for you and the resources that went into growing them. That equals more SUVs. You're probably responsible for well over 5 SUVs. Just a guess.


Anti Soak said:

When I talk to Nurses they say theirs is now an overcrowded field.
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This makes me wonder if ANY field in the USA has
any jobs. According to a local banker I know,
ENGINEERS are considered among the worst credit
risks because they have no job security ... even
here in Silicon Valley.

R&D has been decimated and my college has
discontinued its NASA internship program.

Well, S&P dropped the hammer tonight and lowered
the USA to AA+ with a negative outlook (which
portends a drop to AA without the plus). I'm
mystified: Which field has a need for employees??

The family farm is dead. Too many nurses. Too
many engineers and scientists. How can you have
TOO MANY smart people in an era when our need to
innovate to solve upcoming daunting problems is
becoming critical??

We've also got too many lawyers (obviously!!),
too many brokers and other financial pitchmen.
We've got too many stores full of overproduced
Chinese textile products.

It's very, very difficult to think of a crucial
discipline where the practitioners are not in
surplus. I don't know how this is possible but
I'm pretty sure it means that the long-discussed
collapse must be here already.

Finally, corporate margins have nowhere to go
but down and corporate taxes have nowhere to go
but up. And these rich corporations, who are
HOARDING their money, not hiring, have the gall
to lobby politicians not to close the hundreds
of gaping loopholes that allow them to pay 10%
taxes.

To me, civilization is virtually defined by the
lifting up of a whole populace via education,
infrastructure and useful technology, healthcare,
and the receding of threats to survival. Perhaps
some of you saw that the USA and France are now
THE two most depressed nations in the G20 in a
recent survey.

Well, you're seeing the reasons for that playing
out before your very eyes. The Tea Party, which
claims to be THE "people's party" actually wanted
to IMMEDIATELY drop Social Security and Medicare
by SEVENTY percent. In other words, if you're
sick, old, or poor ... JUST DIE AND REDUCE THE
SURPLUS POPULATION (Ebenezer Scrooge).

I never thought that the most can-do country in
the world would morph into a nation of incredibly
callous plutocrats and a younger generation with
no skills and an ego-inflation problem which
makes them a parody of themselves. We already
ARE a Second World country. Look up the stats
for longevity, infant mortality, purchasing power
of average citizens and you'll already see that
we're not in the league of Germany, Sweden, or
about a dozen other countries.

If you aren't among the richest few thousand
families in America, you have virtually NO
safety net ... at least one that politicians
are willing to back with any commitment. Your
life is ALWAYS in some kind of peril.

I say that CONGRESS gets: 1) No healthcare the
minute they take ANYBODY'S away, 2) Incentives
to repatriate jobs to their districts,
3) Penalties for creating jobs in foreign
countries without commensurate efforts here at
home, 4) Pay dockings whenever they fail to
show up for a vote, ... the same kinds of
Swords of Damocles that hang over the heads of
EVERY normal American worker, every day they
go to work.

Obama has a lot of words he could say about
the Tea Party and even centrist Republicans
that would expose their sociopathy but because
they all feed at the same PAC trough, it'll
NEVER happen. So we're FUCKED.


E.

This is for whoever understands something about banking and economics.

Why don´t we found the International Bank of the World citizens?

It belongs to all who subscribe and in quotes that reflect what they put in it.
Mr. XYZ wants money to buy something.
The Bank of the citizen gives him the required amount of digital money that he can spend in a shop or whatever that is an associate of the bank.
The bank prints 9 dollars of digital money for every dollar in deposit.
Lends the 10 dollars and the digital money becomes real in the moment Mr. XYZ gives back the official dollars (part of his salary) the bank will upgrade the reserves of 9 real dollars plus 0,5% interest and so on...

Fuck Federal Reserve, fuck banksters, fuck whoever.
The moment people WILL realize that it is much better to use money that belongs to them and that they are paying back themselves this Bank could be the biggest success ever.....

Thank you for cheering me up this morning! I think this is a case of there being no "good" jobs. On the other hand, if you are a competent ten minute discount hack barber some inner city barbershop owner will make good use of you and put you to work doing an endless parade of $8 haircuts in a neighborhood with a super-abundance of clapped out beater cars built during the 'eighties. But you better be in good health because there is no rest for the wicked, and you must keep up with the customers wandering in for their discount haircuts. It would also be a good idea if you bought a light aluminum frame pocket .38 snubbie to conceal in your back pocket underneath your barber's jacket because of course such low end shops are invariably found in the crappiest of neighborhoods. You will make over $100 per day so you'll be able to afford one of those $5,000 houses being auctioned off by the sheriff's department. But then if you don't want your house to get burglarized constantly you'll have to place an ad in the paper looking for a well armed boarder who's a retired soldier and isn't shy about gunning down intruders, of which there well may be a steady stream. You'll also have to live in the basement where the surrounding earth absorbs all the bullets from the occasional drive-by shooting. Civilization? What civilization?


"The problem is that this kind of non-thinking leaves someone with a whole lot of absolute nothing to talk about."

You hit the nail on the head: in fact I talk about nothing because these new modified minds universe are totally independent of anything hence invisible and non existent from our point of view but because of this they are even truer and exist even more.

So a small chunk of matter (like a chip ?) is experiencing a new universe and laws of physics thorugh internal Information Relationships and Interactions and Reciprocal Signals, etc. But that universe is independent from the material substrate that is expressing it, that universe is in a sense pure "software", just like our mind and brain is a metaphysical pure software device even though it is expressed through biology (but notice how strange when you look at a dead person and you can't get over the fact that that person "once thought and lived", here you really touch how much life is simply a process, an interaction, a sequence of signals and symbols). But the software is independent of any material substrate, any other configuration of matter that is equivalent to produce the effect of universe expressed is just as valid. But then why does the "universe expressed" (modified mind contraption talking to itself) have to be "produced" or "based" on any substrate at all, nay, anything at all ? In fact the production of the "effect" by matter is assuming that our Logic and Laws of physics are alays operating, is always present and dominating,is valid and present and saturates all the universe an all the "multiverse", etc.

And this is the error: the universe expressed is not "produced" by the material configuration, is not even associated with the material combination, the idea that the material configuration is generating the universe expressed is due to the fact that we can't get out of our language and thought and categories (the chip being in a position of space and time when these two categories don't exist for the new universe), the material combination that we imagine "generating" the universe expressed is just a random correspondence that we like to entertain in our minds because of our love for linearities and because our logic and language and thought saturates all existence (as if nothing can be outside of our puny thought patterns). But the asociation of the material configuration generating the universe is just a random one to one correspondence of anything to anything with no further validity, just like a glass and dish and car tire can be associated to a TV, a house and a tree.

So then this demonstrates that the universes expressed are independent of any material substrate, nay, any even informational substrate, anything at all, they are metaphysical entities disconnected (or if you want to connect them to anything, you can just for fun) from anything (maybe a bit like our mind - consciousness ?).

But then all of what I said is deeply contradictory because it is assuming that logic and language and math and all is always operating and allows us to speak about that "universe expressed": nothing further from the truth, in fact even this is false (or true ? or who cares ? or invent all you want, and lie to yourself boldly, when talking about new universes and new laws of physics all is allowed because all of our logic is no longer operating, the laws of non contradiction are no longer operating). So even our language and thought and all I said is just a random association trying to describe the situation: the peeble down the road and the drop of water express and explain the idea of modified minds generating new universes better, any random set of entities can express the idea better (or worse ? or who cares ?).

Language self destructs, logic kills itself, all contradictions are valid. No thought here anymore, it is achieved...

As in Matter suggests Mathematics and Logic, but Logic and Thouhgt and language become a superset of Matter and the Laws of Physics (or the laws of physics become a small subset of Mathematics).

"...it is really a dark sign that our Republic does not function anymore and is primed to break apart."

http://tazeelo.ytmnd.com/


From:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=176094&start=25

"The problem is that this kind of non-thinking leaves someone with a whole lot of absolute nothing to talk about."

You hit the nail on the head: in fact I talk about nothing because these new modified minds universe are totally independent of anything hence invisible and non existent from our point of view but because of this they are even truer and exist even more.

So a small chunk of matter (like a chip ?) is experiencing a new universe and laws of physics through internal Information Relationships and Interactions and Reciprocal Signals, etc. But that universe is independent from the material substrate that is expressing it, that universe is in a sense pure "software", just like our mind and brain is a metaphysical pure software device even though it is expressed through biology (but notice how strange when you look at a dead person and you can't get over the fact that that person "once thought and lived", here you really touch how much life is simply a process, an interaction, a sequence of signals and symbols). But the software is independent of any material substrate, any other configuration of matter that is equivalent to produce the effect of universe expressed is just as valid.

But then why does the "universe expressed" (modified mind contraption talking to itself) have to be "produced" or "based" on any substrate at all, nay, anything at all ? In fact the production of the "effect" by matter is assuming that our Logic and Laws of Physics are always operating, is always present and dominating, is valid and present and saturates all the universe and all the "multiverse", etc.

And this is the error: the universe expressed is not "produced" by the material configuration, is not even associated with the material combination, the idea that the material configuration is generating the universe expressed is due to the fact that we can't get out of our language and thought and categories (the chip being in a position of space and time when these two categories don't exist for the new universe), the material combination that we imagine "generating" the universe expressed is just a random correspondence that we like to entertain in our minds because of our love for linearities and because our logic and language and thought saturates all existence (as if nothing can be outside of our puny thought patterns). But the association of the material configuration generating the universe is just a random one to one correspondence of anything to anything with no further validity, just like a glass and dish and car tire can be associated to a TV, a house and a tree.

So then this demonstrates that the universes expressed are independent of any material substrate, nay, any even informational substrate, anything at all, they are metaphysical entities disconnected (or if you want to connect them to anything, you can just for fun) from anything (maybe a bit like our mind - consciousness ?).

But then all of what I said is deeply contradictory because it is assuming that logic and language and math and all is always operating and allows us to speak about that "universe expressed": nothing further from the truth, in fact even this is false (or true ? or who cares ? or invent all you want, and lie to yourself boldly, when talking about new universes and new laws of physics all is allowed because all of our logic is no longer operating, the laws of non contradiction are no longer operating). So even our language and thought and all I said is just a random association trying to describe the situation: the peeble down the road and the drop of water express and explain the idea of modified minds generating new universes better, any random set of entities can express the idea better (or worse ? or who cares ?).

Language self destructs, logic kills itself, all contradictions are valid. No thought here anymore, it is achieved...

As in Matter suggests Mathematics and Logic, but Logic and Thought and language become a superset of Matter and the Laws of Physics (or the laws of physics become a small subset of Mathematics).

"It's very, very difficult to think of a crucial
discipline where the practitioners are not in
surplus. I don't know how this is possible but
I'm pretty sure it means that the long-discussed
collapse must be here already." -E.

I think you've found the prime indicator of contraction (controlled or free-fall), E!

There are no longer the cheap inputs to provide expansion and "growth" for all these extra "experts". When jobs in specialized fields open up, there are [usually] many more applicants than jobs, and [usually] at lower pay. These jobs are rarely "new"; they're vacant positions due to retirement, firing, etc. "New" positions are not often created any more. My brother got an "upgrade" job at a hospital that pays more than he was making, because they combined TWO positions into ONE!

Contraction and cut-throat competition are going hand-in-hand. (Perfect sitch for the cheap labor advocates; they ought to be careful what they wish for...)

Hey ideas are indpendent from people: the very fact that you can read this means that you are entertaining an idea that "I wrote", but ideas don't belong to anyone, they are constructions of the language itself, just "software": you can hate my guts but my ideas and constructions are independent of me, evaluate them for themselves, I have nothing to do with them, they are not me, just because a computer has an ugly face doesn't mean that it isn't adding correctly.

Most problems today emerge because there is way too much money hanging around, a huge amount, something like 100 trillion dollars of extra money generated by EXCESS CAPACITY (and PROFITS) and in the hands of "investors" that need a return (even more profit) and invest in debts, public debts, government debts, housing bubbles, subprime loans, etc. If there wasn't EXCESS CAPACITY AKA "WE ARE WAY TOO RICH TO KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH OURSELVES" there wouldn't be all of these "economic problems" (and a huge amount of worldwide corruption).

"He's what we call a "scroll by". I think someone hit the nail on the head when they deduced this guy is probably a quadriplegic who has lots of time to waste, pretty bright, and extremely strange. Ever since he started saying nasty things about some of the female posters, I've lost complete interest in his ramblings. "


Hey ideas are indpendent from people: the very fact that you can read this means that you are entertaining an idea that "I wrote", but ideas don't belong to anyone, they are constructions of the language itself, just "software": you can hate my guts but my ideas and constructions are independent of me, evaluate them for themselves, I have nothing to do with them, they are not me, just because a computer has an ugly face doesn't mean that it isn't adding correctly.

Most problems today emerge because there is way too much money hanging around, a huge amount, something like 100 trillion dollars of extra money generated by EXCESS CAPACITY (and PROFITS) and in the hands of "investors" that need a return (even more profit) and invest in debts, public debts, government debts, housing bubbles, subprime loans, etc. If there wasn't EXCESS CAPACITY AKA "WE ARE WAY TOO RICH TO KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH OURSELVES" there wouldn't be all of these "economic problems" (and a huge amount of worldwide corruption).

Folks,
What's up with Spidey the Irrelevant having 3 different screen names to spray their ridiculous space-sucking spew? Why don't they get their own blog and talk to themselves there? I don't get it, but I do have my suspicions. I believe that it's a ploy to disgust. Then we'll stop talking about things that DO matter in light of JHK's observations, and go away. Ideas are dangerous; so are psy-ops...

It's so much easier to target those who feel they are alone, both in their physicality and perceptions. Sure, I'm paranoid, but perhaps it's not all unjustified.

More indicators that dare not be voiced:

http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2011/08/august-5-2011-europe-throws-in-towel.html

The writing is on the wall, but most are afraid to read it. "If I don't acknowledge it; maybe it's not real."


What we are witnessing a slide to the end of the sole superpower.

There was never a quid pro quo to giving the banksters their tarp money, so they refused to lend and 9 million lost their jobs. Obama keeps making the same mistake over and over, thinking the Repbulicans will accept him.--They never will at the same time he has fallen into a trap of not representing the Democratic party, but with all the "free speech" payola going around, non the the Democrats are representing their core values.

There was also no quid pro quo in giving our stimulus dollars to businesses who then shut down factories in the US to move to Mexico. Or the Chamber of Commerce said the jobs couldn't all be for Americans only. We ended up with more jobs in China than here.

By the way, the real kicker is that now Foxconn, a Korean company specializing in Electronics manufacturing that Apple uses, is now planning on replacing Chinese workers with robots!!

No amount of tax cuts will produce more jobs, because the labor costs elsewhere are still cheaper. Case in point is GE who is opening an x-ray division in Beijing after they paid no taxes at all. The right wing meme has been disproved already but they won't back down. They serve those top thousand families.

Now we're in the next stage of Milton Friedman. In Sept 2008, it was said that the IMF promised they wouldn't go after the US during "W's" term. Carl Ichan was on TV back then and said they freaked out when they saw the numbers, they never saw anything like it. He refused to say what they were but there were a number of sources that said we had $1.4 Quadrillion.

With all our education and know-how, there is a movement that we can't stop to shut this once great nation down. We will be no different than Mexico or any other failed nation where the rich are separated out from the disinherited.

The world is flat alright, we are left with wages that are going to eventually meet with those of Vietnam, I fondly refer to it as a dollar-a-decade.

"The world is flat alright, we are left with wages that are going to eventually meet with those of Vietnam, I fondly refer to it as a dollar-a-decade." -LB

Well, not quite; but close!
Last I remember it was about 350 bucks per year. (Of course, those were year 2000 dollars. ;o)

Lbendet, Ozone and Eleuthero

Some people have been saying for a long time that the aging of populations in western countries, the trends to governmental overspending in these places and the simultaneous offshoring of their industries to slave wage jurisdictions were like high speed trains destined to collide. And collide they have. But during this time most of us went about our daily business, living our lives in five minute slices minimally aware of (or totally oblivious to) forces churning all around us. Millions are out of work and millions are losing their houses uncomprehending as to how this all could have happened.

If you look back on the last century so much of what took place took everyone (except maybe a few lonely people shouting from the rooftops) by surprise ie the rise of Nazi-ism and Communism, the Great Depression, the catastrophes of WW1, WW2 and the Holocaust, the dissolution of the USSR etc.

We might look to history for lessons on how economic catastrophe changes the course of politics and events. But I would submit that, no matter how prescient we are, what's ahead will still be a shock like the events and calamities of the previous 100 years were to the folks living through them at the time. No one is seeing what's just around the corner never mind the shape of events five or ten years from now. After it's upon us we'll all say in retrospect that it all should have been foreseeable. What I'm saying is expect the utterly unexpected.

It would also be a good idea if you bought a light aluminum frame pocket .38 snubbie to conceal in your back pocket underneath your barber's jacket
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Very amusing post Bubb... but I thought you said you worked in a $10-a-cut shop.

What is the shop owners cut (pun intended) out of each $8 haircut? Half maybe? If so you'd need to do 25 heads to make that $100/day. I feel for ya.

Is your pay cash on the barrel head? No W-2, no 1099?

I thought the water was from Colorado in LA..?

Bustin, Cats and Dogs are carnivores.
Not all pets are. And some small dogs are on veg
diets.
Your statement is incorrect.
Even a St Bernard only eats so much.
And many dog foods are made from scrap meat, which is why they are cheap.
Whats the carbon footprint of cow hoofs that were headed for the trash?

Insulting me isn't the way to carry on a conversation.

I had forgotten your predictions. It's hard to keep straight 600 comments, and who made them.

I don't follow the stock market, so that is not a prediction I would have noted.

I do realize that the Earth is getting hotter, but betting on the numbers doesn't interest me either.

So I wasn't deliberately ignoring you.

From others posts..
"Immigrants do the jobs that Americans won't do".

I don't think that immigrant doctors break up the AMA monopoly though"

I can tell you stories about Indian Doctors moving to USA, theres a company in Elsegundo [Los Angeles]
called ECFMG that 'tests' them.
Oddly I knew 2 people who worked there..

'Smelly Indians getting off the plane, we test them, they all pass the test and get US MD licenses'
Well 100+ people work there and they have several of these places.
INDIAN DOCTORS BY THE BUS LOAD!
THEY ALL PASS THE TEST!!

On a similar note was a cheery story in the LA Times on 'Filipino MDs moving to the US to be Nurses'!

New College Grads here, Hope they are debt free.
Multinational Corporations are paying PHDs 1k a month to work in China!

Wow. Yes, it is. And the Colorado River should go to Mexico. But the water is stolen.

And I really shouldn't be so human centric here.

Borders don't matter when it comes to water or wildlife. (Where's Asoka when I need him?)

The water that should reach the Sea of Cortez should nourish more than people. It should support birds, fish and mammals.

But it doesn't.

http://www.counterpunch.org/colorado.html

Read Rifkins 'THE END OF WORK'

OK, I tried to post from the link, explaining what happens to the water that should reach the delta, but the damn blog administrator plans to carefully read and consider it first.

I'll try smaller bites.

"Fifty years ago Aldo Leopold hailed the Colorado River delta as North America's greatest oasis: Two million acres of wetlands, cienegas, lagoons, tidal pools, jaguars and mesquite scrublands. Today it's a wasteland.

The mighty Colorado River no longer reaches the Sea of Cortez. Its entire annual flow has diverted and spit out into hay fields, water fountains in front of Vegas hotels and thousands of golf courses. The Colorado has been sucked up to the last drop."

Alrighty, then, here's some more (I hope)

"It's once lush delta is now a salt flat, as barren as Carthage after Scipio Africanus took his revenge on Hannibal's homeland. This estuary used to be one of the wonders of the world: a vast wetland, teeming with more than 400 species of plants and animals. In fact, like the Nile, another desert river, nearly 80 percent of the riparian habitat for the entire Colorado River was once clustered near the mouth of the river. The shallow lagoons in the delta region are home to the Vacquita dolphin, at four feet in length the world's smallest, which is now on the brink of extinction, with only 100 animals known to exist. Dozens of other endemic species are in the same shape.

And not just animals are in trouble. The delta was once the cultural mecca of the Copacha Indians, who made a good living fishing the estuary. But these days the fishing boats are beached and the Indians and Mexican residents are in grinding poverty, forced to work multiple jobs in distant tortilla factories, maquiladoras and wheat fields."

I get what Bustin is saying.

That's why when my cat died, I didn't get another one.

It bothered me that the oceans were being overfished to feed pet cats. And to give fish oil to people who eat junk food and drive cars, and then expect the magic fish oil pill to save their dysfunctional bodies.

I just drove upstate NY (Lake George) and was completely blown away by the for sale sign on 90 percent of the homes or hotels. The town of Lake George is feliniesque. Disgusting, smelly, with its tourist population of overweight families, waddling down the block getting into gas guzzling buses, and swarming into tourist shops that rival a bad nightmare. I couldn't walk down more than a block before coming upon a youngish woman with a red felt clown hat and red wooden suitcase. She had a red painted mouth an smiled as though on some sort of drug. After that we quickly got into the car and went back to the Sagamore Hotel, but not before we saw two prostitutes fighting in a parking lot on the side of road. UNBELIVABLE. The Sagamore Hotel is still holding on, but it closes in the winter and the town is dying because there are no longer any tourists during the winter, spring or fall. Its coming folks. Kunstler lives close to this fiasco town I just visited and I don't know how he can take the poverty that is encroaching on all sides.Of course at the Sagamore the population there is the also fat overweight kind but at least some people seemed in tact. However, everyone, I mean everyone had a cell phone attached to the ear, and my entire family got food poisoning from this hotel. We are never going back. We have stopped flying due to the overwhelming insulting TSA waiting to grope or x ray you. And to be quite honest, I will be saving my unemployement money and enjoying my home, while we have it. Good luck and God bless us all.

the shop owners cut
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owner's

It was some time ago, in a few words it was a time when I was much younger and may be you too.
Reality is not what it is or what it looks, but very often what we feel.

>And there are plenty of American kids getting engineering degrees and not finding jobs.

This may be true, although my anecdotal evidence is that my two sons got their engineering degrees 1 and 2 years ago, one started a new job the day after graduation, the second one took about 6 months to get a job here in the Midwest, but his degree was from a European university.

My neighbors' two very bright kids got full-ride scholarships to pursue master/PhD programs at Harvard in ENGLISH!!! WTF? My kids could get not any scholarships to study Engineering! To me this fact shouts that this country just doesn't get the urgency of re-thinking all priorities.

It's a fact, Wage, that a dis-proportionally large number of science and engineering degrees awarded by American schools go to foreign students, most of whom go home. If Mr. Obama is reading this (as I'm sure he does in his moments of leisure), I suggest this Mr. President:
award instant Green Cards to any science/engineering foreign student who commits to buying an existing house in the U.S. for cash (many of these students come from wealthy families who could easily pay cash for a house in the U.S.) In fact, offer instant Green Card to ANY foreigner who a) buys an existing home for cash, or b) invests capital (maybe $300K and up) into an existing or new business in the U.S. AND c) has education/experience in a field that has practical benefits for the U.S. economy. This could very quickly absorb vacant real estate, provide much needed investment into the sectors of economy that could lead us out of this quagmire... And for those of you who oppose this idea, remember that most of the economic prosperity and progress in the U.S. was the result of immigrants in the late 19th century and after WWII who brought what the country needed at the time, things like labor, skills, capital, etc. America today would be a backwater country like Mexico had it not been for the (mostly) European immigrants.

I know it's going to rub Wage and others the wrong way that I specifically identify European immigrants as movers and shakers in what for a time was American prosperity, but this is how I see it.

The only way out of the problem is to cut everyone's hours, so that everyone can work.

It won't work in a profit-oriented system, of course.

In a profit system, fewer and fewer people work harder and harder, while millions of capable people are unemployed, and the ruling class rakes in increased profits.

In a production for use system, the work needed to be done would be divided among the available workers.

And, it seems obvious to me, that we need more workers involved in providing birth control, abortion and sterilization, in order to voluntarily decrease our population.

With so many unemployed talented people, it should be considered absurd when our corporate overlords announce that we need more babies and more immigrants to meet our coming labor needs.

Really? I don't think so! And they always throw in Social Security costs, in order to get people to meekly accept such absurdities.

If 100 workers could provide for 90 dependents back in the 60s, and we are more productive per worker now, and there are tens of millions unemployed, I don't think we need more people to provide for Social Security.

Besides, if we switched to production for use, not profit, people too young or old, or disabled, could be provided for easily. You wouldn't have to call it Social Security.

You could call it simple human decency.

Well, diogen, as I said, I don't think that competition is a way forward.

And I don't think that selling more real estate is a big solution either.

And I agree with you that European immigrants helped this country in the last centuries.

Especially the socialists and anarchists who moved here, educated the citizens, and improved this country for a few decades:)

Every time I hear something about the US economy I psychosomatically slip into my impersonation of Donald Sutherland in Backdraft.
"I want to burn it, hihihihi"

Save what? What is still worth saving in the USA? What has not been corrupted to the marrow? LET IT CRASH AND LET IT CRASH NOW. What people don't understand is that the further this carrousel keeps turning the greater the damage will be.

I'm in Ukraine now and have been for a while.
They had this kind of thing happen 20 years ago. No one had any money. The funny thing is that back then no one stopped working. They just kept on beleiving that they might get paid one day. The difference was that society, and the economy, kept on rolling. No Madmax scenarios there. Al Capone for President maybe (his doppleganger is running the place as we speak) but no one ate anyone's children. Sold yes, but eaten no. Sounds like a joke but Stalin had them doing it in 1932.

There are people here working without pay.

The people who transport pysch patients to the mental health facilities haven't been paid by the state for months.

The local news station had a story about a local school district in which the administrators haven't been paid for a month, but they keep on working, hoping to be paid someday.

Like the stripping of the electric infrastructure for salvage, what is happening here is probably happening elsewhere, but we aren't told it in the national corporate media.

>I don't think that competition is a way forward.

True, cooperation has been demonstrated as a superior and more effective form of social organization, but like Communism, Wage, it's a pie in the sky. Human nature (and possibly the nature of life itself) is based on competition, not cooperation. Perhaps we humans, possessing of consciousness and intelligence, should overcome our nature and cooperate (as people have done under various crisis conditions), but it doesn't look possible to me.

>And I don't think that selling more real estate is a big solution either.
It's a solution to the extent that unoccupied homes/buildings are a great threat to the social fabric and local economies and tax base. Plus it would inject capital into the economy at all levels if vacant homes and buildings were sold and put to productive uses.

Those socialist/anarchist ideas EUropeans brought with them had marginal if any benefit to America, in my opinion, Wag. Of much greater benefit were the skills of Italian craftsmen, German scientists and Engineers, Jewish musicians and writers and merchants, etc. I realize I'm stereotyping, and various other people contributes with their labor and capital, and ideas too as you suggest. I wonder if Social Security had been possible in America without the example of Otto von Bismarck's social legislation in Germany in the late 1880's, probably the world's first old-age pension and security system...

We either cooperate or we destroy the ecosystem.

You may very well be right that it won't happen, but I'm right about the alternative.

Germans and Jews were among the most progressive immigrants. They may have gotten social benefits in Germany before we got them here, but if it wasn't for socialist and communist agitators in the US, we would never have gotten the safety net now being destroyed by greedy capitalist vampires.

Kunstler lives close to this fiasco town I just visited and I don't know how he can take the poverty that is encroaching on all sides.
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Yes Insuff, what you describe is happening, to one degree or another, all around.

Just yesterday the phone rang and it was Jenna, a former student/tenant who lived 6 years on the 3rd floor of my home. She got her PHD in sociology 2 years ago and makes a pittance doing some sort of research. I love Jenna but I must say, 5 PHDs in Sociology = 1 decent plumber.

Jenna is a vegetarian who buys a lot of her stuff from a health food store in town. She walked in yesterday and the elderly Korean couple/owners told her they were shutting down. They GAVE her a bunch of frozen food. She asked what was going to become of the business and they said someone else was going to take over. The old couple is just leaving whatever remains on the shelves for the new "owner." They are NOT selling the business...just leaving the business. Probably they just need to get out from under the rent.

Jenna doesn't eat frozen food and doesn't have the freezer storage capacity anyway so she called my wife and brought over some of the stuff. We eat near 100% fresh veggies from a couple of nearby farmers' markets but we took some off Jenna's hands which we will in turn give away.

It was only the previous day that my wife and I were riding through our little town in relatively prosperous central NJ and enumerating the empty storefronts. And now we added to the list Anna's Health Foods. It's all very sad.

Also I read in the lamestream press that;
when sac town flushes its TOILETS that becomes
Drinking water in Hell lay [el lay].
Sick, eh?
also what you say about cats is partly true but the OP statement that any pet = SUV size footprint is false.
Pets do leave footprints and Cats kill 100,000,000
wild Birds a year because their 'animal loving'
Owners let them roam. [sick].

If its the Sea Of Cortezes [hate that name]
Water it doesnt belong to Mexico either.

My husband went to buy grain from the small feed store we patronize, and the guy told him that he was going out of business.

They used to sell fence wire by the foot, and they would cut it for you.

At Lowe's they sell plastic-wrapped(!!) fence wire in set denominations.

In the spring, they carried sweet potato slips.

No more.

the safety net now being destroyed by greedy capitalist vampires.
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The other day I posted a link (addressed especially to you and Asoka) to a NY Times article about Cuba taking a major step toward Capitalism, by allowing the buying and selling of homes, i.e. private property.

You never replied.

Well, I did say that the water doesn't belong to Mexico either, anti.

It should return to the ocean, while passing through the delta, giving life to all along the way.

It shouldn't water alfalfa fields in the desert, or golf courses in Nevada, or lawns in Los Angeles.

aS said, "Bustin, Cats and Dogs are carnivores.
Not all pets are. And some small dogs are on veg
diets.
Your statement is incorrect.
Even a St Bernard only eats so much.
And many dog foods are made from scrap meat, which is why they are cheap.
Whats the carbon footprint of cow hoofs that were headed for the trash?"

I don't know, but I'd speculate. For instance, those meat pieces and hooves and such were attached to fullsize cows, which required food and fresh water, probably kept in confinement cages, regulated by electricity, probably generated by the coal seams of the midwest. The water was diverted from a river. The feed they were fed was probably corn from big ag. That corn was probably fed a cocktail of pesticides and nitrogen fertilizers, some of which ran off with surface water to pollute someplace. the food had to be processed and packaged, and sent with the 3,000 mile caesar salads to a box store. Then some schlub has to go and drive there to buy it from the shelf, which is a technology requiring more electricity to run.

The fact is that, if you really analyze the energy and resource intensity of something, you're likely to come up with some surprising numbers. We all hear and read about the energy intensity of the first-world lifestyle. It should not be surprising that all the parts of that lifestyle turn out to be significant chunks of consumption, and invisible waste of some kind. And when someone does the favor of accounting for all that waste in generation, we should thank them for taking the blinders off for a moment, and change our lifestyles accordingly.

To paraphrase, we have nothing to lose but our little piss and shit producing animals. What we gain is an appreciation for animals in the natural world, who, believe it or not, actually contribute to the ecology.

Dio...Factoids:

An African tells me casually 'I am already an Architect but I am getting a [Full?] Scholarship
in Iowa [WTF].

and

refused 20,000,000$ because the money was to go to
teaching European Culture.[yale wanted to teach world cultures].

Read 'America what went Wrong' [published in the 1980s]

Its called FREE SPEECH!
On Jim K's dime!!!!

Or if JHK makes money off this site on the advertisers dime.

>but I'm right about the alternative.

Sadly, I think you are right. Just read an article in a 2008 issue of Nat'l Geographic about a new 3,000+ mile national highway in India, Golden Quadrilateral (GQ). By 2015 it's expected the number of cars in India will DOUBLE. If sufficient numbers of Chinese and Indians get their dream cars, this will be the final nail on the coffin of the late great planet earth.

However, once humanity, or parts of it, enter the existential crisis mode, I think cooperation will replace competition, for a while anyway, for the duration of the Long Emergency. Didn't people cooperate, more or less, in the world according to Kunstler (i.e. The Long Emergency)?

Greedy Capitalists aren't the American invention, Wage, they are as old as the dirt. Alexander of Macedon and Cleopatra were the worst variety -- greedy Imperialists :)

I recently saw a movie you might like Wage, "Benito: The Rise and Fall of Mussolini", you can get it on Netflix or here :

http://www.amazon.com/Benito-Rise-Mussolini-Antonio-Banderas/dp/B000FUF6S6

What do you think of a good Socialist turning into a Fascist? Seems like a historical inevitablity, seeing as the Russian, and soon Cuban, Socialists turned into cut-throat wild-west Capitalist..
Don't you think that all of the old -isms have failed, and some sort of a new -ism is needed? Something like “Realpolitik” as they used to say in my old country.

Once upon a time I went to hear the Author of "Mad Cowboy' talk.
He claims the west is dry due to Cattle and Horses.

He also talked about the Ogalala Aquifer and whats about to happen!!!! [yikes].

Cats kill 100,000,000 wild Birds a year
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ASIA, have you taken on a new, or second, handle here at CFN? The themes in Anti Soak's posts, such as above^, seem similar to yours.

I didn't reply because it was ignorant of you to claim that owning a private house is capitalism.

Capitalism is when a small minority of the people own the MEANS OF PRODUCTION, not their own house.

The means of production are the factories, mines and other sources of wealth, owned by a few and worked by the many, with the profits going to the few.

It's not that hard to understand, but you insist on pretending that you don't, so I don't really try to carry on a dialog with you.