Sorry, meant Jose Arcadio (darn confusing names...)

acceptance of human morality
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Argghhh! Just 6 posts in to a new Monday thread and already my work begins. It's mortality Fouad.

And to Wardoc a little farther down ... it's hovel not hovvle.

Am I annoying? Well then I'm annoying. I am large ... etc.

No, actually, there hasn't.

Spain lived large for the century after they found the New World, and started gently persuading the natives to provide them with gold. Then they collapsed in sloth and debt.

The USA was bailed out of financial collapse in 1849, with the discovery of gold in California, and in the early 20th century, when the Alaskan gold rush began.

Great Britain was bailed out by the North Sea discovery.

Humans will live in as much luxury as they can afford for as long as they can pay for or borrow for it.

Most humans will then downsize, but a few will kill and steal for more.

Those would be the ones who rule us, and are preparing for war with Iran.

Our local college is also building new athletic facilities.

Our local city council voted to give them $20 million to further these aims. Then they proposed to sell the city water supply to balance the budget!

In the meantime, they are building a MASSIVE something down the road from me.

Is it an Air Force National Guard base? Is it a Red Cross "disaster center"? Is it new air hangars and automotive storage?

The stories change. But the boondoggle continues, and the cement trucks go by every 10 minutes, just like trolleys are supposed to, but don't.

Ah yes "opening up Japan" - just like it was a jar of mayonaise. Yes we opened them up against their will and to the utter hatred of the samurai class. It set it motion the reformers and modernizers who created the Japanese Empire and the events that lead to Pearl Harbor. For they were ready for that dreadful day - long had they been studying us based on the what they could glean from the Dutch Traders and the Spanish before them. When we barged in, they knew they could not defeat so instead they sprang into action - an action they had long dreaded but prepared for. And you think that it is over now? No, they didn't particularly care for the two A bombs. They feel they need to return the favor some day.

All of the above in a general way applies to China as well. One of the wisest men of the 19th century said, "Let the Dragon sleep". He was a clergyman but I forget his name. Anyway, we didn't listen and now the Dragon is hissing and pawing and coming our way. He also owns alot of our economy. Hopefully we will remember that discreton is the better part of valour and not defend Taiwan when the Dragon decides to move. What's the difference now anyway? East Asians don't create democracies in our sense of the word. They believe in "big men" and old heads are wiser. There is more religous freedom in Taiwan of course, and that's important. But not worth a nuclear war. It's none of our business. Those golden words, words to live by.

I believe what people are buying SUVs for, more than anything, is safety in a crash as 80 MPH. Whether this is just their perception or not is open to debate.

More than the appeal of perceived safety for some is the demonstration that they are "supporting the war effort" by buying military-looking vehicles like the Hummer and Jeep Patriot. "Get in my land and I'll rain some lead on you in your little Rice-burner!" seems to be the subliminal message of these folks.

It's vacation time, her on the Oregon Coast and the giant RVs are out in somewhat diminished force, sporting bumper stickers like, "We're Spending Our Children's Inheritance".

We're wasting our breath talking about conservation to these folks. It's the final blow-out for the Gasoline Age and they plan to enjoy it until it's all gone. Before that happens, they'll be all in favor of going to war to capture some more.

This is the problem with democracy -- the morons have us outnumbered!

yeah, typo. thanks for pointing out.

Al,
Excellent observations, as unsettling as they are. It seems to be human nature to ignore or discredit facts that do not reinforce one's current position.

Snafu said: How about bumper stickers with "SAVE THE EARTH SPAY AND NEUTER YOUR CHILDREN".

Very funny and appropriate. But realize the result of that would be a declining population of smart people from not reproducing and increasing numbers of morons. It's already happening. That's the plot of the movie "Idiocracy".

Apparently signs of hydo-carbons have been detected on various worlds such as Titan, a moon of Jupiter or Saturn. The building blocks of oil seem to be widespread throughout our corner of universe - definetly a plus for the abiotics.

Thank you. Mayberry is or at least was, nice. But do you know about Willoughby, where a man can take full measure? Just get on the train and go past your stop - you'll get there. Eventually.

John T. Anderson said:

Jim: Please go easy on Millard Fillmore, a Western New York native. At least he kept our boys out of Hungary, despite the importunities of the exiled Lajos Kossuth, and he sent Commodore Matthew Perry to open up Japan to U.S. trade.

The U.S. took land from Mexico by force in the Mexican-American War (thankfully those states are now in the process of being taken back by the Mexicans). After that war Fillmore supported slavery in those states that used to be land belonging to Mexico to win approval of the South.

In Fillmore's own words: "God knows that I detest slavery, but it is an existing evil ... and we must endure it and give it such protection as is guaranteed by the Constitution."
http://americanhistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/bad_presidents_of_the_1850s

Taking land forcibly and violently from brown people and then sinking so low as to bargain with black people's freedom ... to appease white racists ... none of that endears me to Fillmore.

Bunk the methane bubble maybe (and probably is), but look at the rubbish orthodox economists were writing in 2006. Then look what really happened - something that only so-called idiots were predicting.

When it comes to distaers, it's the experts that tend to get it wrong not the loonies.

Ah, the usual theme. We smart people need to outbreed those dumb people.

Never mind that there are too many people, period. It's a population race!! And smart people don't use as many resources as dumb people, right?

I hear this all the time at work.

http://wagelaborer.blogspot.com/2009/12/survival-of-fittest.html

Only idiots and economists believe that growth can be unlimited.

One mile of sea water generates a pressure of less than 3000 psi. 2 and a half miles of rock could add this up to about 10,000 psi. So if there is a pimple of methane at 100,000 psi, it is being contained by the tensile strength of the rock. The quality of the rock will determine its tensile strength, but if you have ever squeezed a pimple, it is easy to understand that the release could be explosive. Since cracks and fissures are opening...(let us keep our fingers crossed or pray)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dk-matai/gulf-of-mexico-danger-of_b_619095.html

No it wouldn't. It would just need high pressure and then heat caused by the pressure pushing it so fast it builds friction . Then as it beaks the surface and comes in contact with the air - boom.

Basic physics.

Thank you for putting a tag on the dull ache in my gut that I've been feeling and that I've been knowing that I had experienced previously and couldn't identify myself. By God, it WAS there before, for the nearly complete first year of the W administration...beforo 9-11...when I had been saying to the generally unresponsive, that "something is going to happen."

But I must admit that not unlike other free people we personally took out a property improvement upgrade mortgage on a damned to near paid for acreage, and fixed up our place 15 miles from nowhere (now a nowhere with no jobs, hundreds having been lost since Sept. '08) and 50 miles from ANYwhere and "shopped", as directed by a President that I despised...maybe, now, for the wrong reasons.

That ache? What's it telling me now? The mortgage is moot...the bank that is holding it now...not the one that we signed the papers at but the one that bought the bunddle...can have it....and I fully expect to be able to get it back for 15 cents on the dollar (if we want it) but that ache? That ache is telling me war on Iran.

The President, who I'd vote for again and again against ANY Christianist/neoconservative candidate for reasons I can't begin to understand myself... can't run with the dogs he's running with and not fall into the trap of oily bucks. He'll most likely take us there. He may not have any choice, now that he's given up hope...of which if anybody can't see that he has, they are blind. At 16 months in, he's riding the storm out.

The Nation seemed to like the idea of what was a new (to most) progressive vision. We just didn't manage to get one. Couldn't have, actually...we really didn't want one.

From debka:

The armada of 10 US warships plus an Israeli and German battle vessel each, which transited the Suez Canal Friday, June 18, has reached the Persian Gulf, debkafile's military sources report.
But first, from June 6 through June 10, the USS Harry S. Truman carrier Strike Group was deployed 50 miles of the shore of southwestern Israel, secretly drilling the interception of incoming Iranian, Syrian and Hizballah missiles and rockets against US and Israeli targets in the Middle East.
This was first revealed by DEBKA-Net-Weekly 449 on June 18.

The fleet let by the Truman then headed for the Persian Gulf through the Suez Canal accompanied by an Israeli missile ship (not identified) and the German missile frigate FGS Hessen F221.

Tancred wrote:

“I'll state up front that what I'm about to write is racist”
“I'd like to criticize black urban 'culture' here”
“most important visual cues used by blacks”
“black population cares about”
“almost ALWAYS black people”
“Pimpin' and thuggery abound”
“What do they steal in bulk?”
“third largest black population”
“black girls with two or more kids”
“black bums”
“Young black men say a few words”
“My apologies to the 5% of blacks that do not fit into the above profile.”

Tancred, fyi, the whack-job racist nutcases usually wait until later in the week before taking over this space with their spewage.

Doesn't the KKK or the Tea Party (aka the Klan Lite) have some forum of their own where you and your fellow pudgy white over-50 minority pinheads can congratulate yourselves on being masters of the universe?

At least have the decency to footnote your postings with something saying that less than 5% of white people believe in this sh!te and that your views are from an extreme far-right part of the spectrum, somewhere between Hitler and Pat Buchanan. And if you ever clue up and decide to become a member of the human race, why, please feel free to go explain yourself to the Southern Poverty Law Center. They'd love to hear from you.

Blaming President Obama is just as ridiculous as an adult of 50 still blaming his parents for things he SHOULD have and COULD have fixed years ago.
We got into this mess from years of sticking our heads in the sane and voting for who made us feel good, since Reagan and "morning in America" which was really "evening in America". We are now at the beginning of the night.
I am old enough to remember the loud warnings from those knowledgable since the early 1970's which were systematically IGNORED and LAUGHED at by the voting public. And here are the consequences today. President Obama can no more undo and change 3 decades of hopeless mismanagement and greed in just TWO years than a crack addict can detox in two days. That is just the reality of the situation and no republican or tea-partier is going to do any better. Period.

Mondale once told the audience during a debate with Reagan that he would have to raise taxes. "he won't tell you. I just did," Mondale said. And that ended his bid for president. BUI.,.he WAS telling the truth. They raised taxes in the next term. LOL But people didn't want to hear the truth of what needed to be done.
Alas....

You are a hero of mine. Don't just keep saying this for weeks, but for years. Craven politically correct suck-ups refuse to acknowledge the truth of the matter that Negros from Zimbabwe to Britain, from Haiti to Toronto do not leave safe, salubrious, civil lives. Back in Africa sub-Saharan Negros had not developed writing, used the wheel, or had beasts of burden other than slaves. They probably got their iron technology late from Asia.
As far as referring to the economics of Atlanta in relation to folks intelligence and taste, I would like to take this opportunity to list some of my rules of investing.

1. A fool and his money are soon parted.

2. There is no fool like an old fool.

(Those 2 rules explain slot machines.)

3. There is no keeping a fool from his foolishness or one could say, once a fool always a fool.

4. A fool is born every minute.

(Thus one never runs out of fools.)

5. People do the wrong thing whenever they can get away with it. They do the right thing when they have to.

6. To those who have much, more will be given.
From those who have little, what little they have will be taken away.

7. No one every lost money underestimating the intelligence or good taste of the American public. (H. L. Mencken)

8. The greatest failing of man is his inability to understand the exponential function.

9. Poverty is shared; wealth is horded.

10. In a game of chance, given sufficient time, the gambler with the greatest financial resources wins.

11. Money matters; people don’t.

12. It is very difficult to convince a man of a fact, if his livelihood depends upon his not believing it.

13. Hope springs eternal.

14. Folks support their abusers at the expense of those who love them.

15. Beware the consensus trance. (People tend to share and buy into mistaken world-views that are popular and/or espoused by leaders.)

16. People are more motivated by conformity even than by greed or fear much of the time.

17. People will disrupt social norms because they feel like it or to take more for themselves.

18. Many folks are out to take as much for themselves as quickly and easily as possible.

19. Good leadership is good liarship. Being a leader allows one to feel less anxiety when lying. The confidence associated with command and control makes them feel better so lying comes easier and more naturally. Also, those who are good liars, who will say anything to advance their position and interests, frequently attain positions of leadership.

Nudge said:

"Tancred, fyi, the whack-job racist nutcases usually wait until later in the week before taking over this space with their spewage."

Am here already as is VK. Another regular or two should show up before long.

Nudge wrote:

"At least have the decency to footnote your postings with something saying that less than 5% of white people believe in this sh!te and that your views are from an extreme far-right part of the spectrum, somewhere between Hitler and Pat Buchanan. And if you ever clue up and decide to become a member of the human race, why, please feel free to go explain yourself to the Southern Poverty Law Center. They'd love to hear from you."

My dear, dear lady, the number is much higher than 5%.

See the following link:

http://www.amren.com/ar/1991/02/index.html

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‘Clinging to Stereotypes’

On the other hand, once Portland School Superintendent Matthews is away from the reporters, he may well indulge in an occasional subversive thought about racial differences — at least if he is like the majority of Americans. According to the latest poll by the National Opinion Research Survey, 53% of whites think that blacks are less intelligent than whites. Seventy-eight percent think blacks are less reluctant than whites to be on welfare, 62% think they are less hard-working, and 56% think they are more prone to violence.

Hispanics don’t come off very well either. Fifty-five percent of whites think Hispanics are less intelligent than whites, 50% think they are more prone to violence, and 56% think they are less hard-working.

These are the results of face-to-face interviews with 1,372 adults. We wonder if there might have been an even larger proportion of politically incorrect answers if the questioning had been confidential.

Larry Bobo of the University of California at Los Angeles, who helped design and conduct the survey, made the usual clucking noises about how whites still cling to stereotypes. Mr. Bobo, of course, is clinging to his own illusions — at least in public.

*****

This comment was just an ad hominem smear:

"Doesn't the KKK or the Tea Party (aka the Klan Lite) have some forum of their own where you and your fellow pudgy white over-50 minority pinheads can congratulate yourselves on being masters of the universe?"

Could it be that you pc feminist saint are engaging in stereotyping here.

You politically correct pseudo liberals have taken over the school system and have an undue influence in America and Europe due to certain legal precedents and the threat of law-suits, but your opinions are by no means in the majority. In this venue, you will find little institutional support to sustain you. Also, to gain enlightenment I suggest you take a vacation in dowtown Detroit, Oakland, or St. Louis, visit the town of Compton or the countries of Zaire, Angola, Sudan, or Haiti. The egalitarian fantasies will soon come under significant opposition when genetic studies showing the lack of key features needed for more developed intelligence are shown to be lacking from sub-Saharan African populations.

Incidentally, I am an elitist, collectivist, meritocracist, anti-corporatist, and evironmentalist, as well a racist.

For your information, there are many rich, well-educated, and snobbish racists out there. My parents own places near the American River. We would not set foot in a trailer part.

That was a most illuminating speech from the old military leader in 1957, thank you for sharing that. Expect he took a lot of heat for such outrageous talk.

Someone else noted how much of what was predicted from the 70's onward was ridiculed by the media and the masses, and it's not much comfort to those of us who were saying it to be proven right. In my own community I've been laughed at and reviled by some of the mainstream folks around me. These are the same ones who drop their gaze when they see me now, and I know they're wondering how a crazed old socialist broad, an uppity female if you will, could have been so right on so many issues.

Sometimes I wish I'd been wrong all along if that would get us out of the mess we created for ourselves and our descendents. All I know is my grandchildren did nothing to deserve the living hell their lives may become in the not too distant future.

No doubt if they survive they may be better off in the long run. Time will tell.....

G.O. Girl, you sound like quite the pioneer .. kudos to you! :)

When it comes to clusterf*cking, we humans do it like it's nobody's business. Perhaps our most grievously oft-repeated sin in this regard is to blithely assume we know things that we do not in fact know. A whole lot of that, on the part of a great many people (as alluded to in last weeks' commentary, the vast majority of them were highly-educated rich white males graded as 'intelligent' by the standards of society) is what's brought us to the present predicament.

What you say is largely true. However, this article indicates such views are far from a minority in even American society.

Surveying the Survey Results

Press accounts of white “prejudice” should have been headlined, “Poll rates Southerners lower than Jews and Asians.”

by William Robertson Boggs

In the February issue of American Renaissance we mentioned a recent survey on racial “stereotypes” that prompted considerable clucking in the press about persistent white “racism.” It was widely reported, for example, that a majority of whites think that blacks and Hispanics are less intelligent, more prone to violence, and less hard-working than whites.

Newspaper accounts mentioned that the survey also included questions about Jews, Asians, and Southern whites, but gave scarcely any indication of the results. We have since obtained this data and think some of it worth passing along.

The survey worked like this: Researchers asked 1,372 adult Americans, face to face, how they would rate different racial groups in terms of intelligence, patriotism, wealth, etc. The ratings were on a scale of one to seven, and the average ratings for whites were established as the base line (zero on the graphs to the left). Any group that had an average rating higher than the average for whites got a positive score for that trait, and any group with an average rating lower than that for whites got a negative score.

Thus, to take the first graph, the people surveyed rated Jews, on average, as nearly 0.2 points (on the seven-point scale) more intelligent than whites, and blacks as more than 0.8 points less intelligent than whites. The other graphs show how the survey group compared other races to whites on several other traits: whether they were non-violent or violence prone, self-supporting or willing to live on welfare, patriotic or unpatriotic, hard-working or lazy, and rich or poor. In all cases, a positive score means that the survey subjects rated the group better than whites, and a negative score means that they rated the group worse than whites.

Indeed, blacks and Hispanics are at the bottom of the heap on all counts, except for patriotism, in which Asians share bottom honors with Hispanics. Nevertheless, low ratings for blacks and Hispanics should surprise no one. Only the very ignorant could think that they have more money than whites, for example, though the survey managed to find a few such people — 3.8 percent thought that blacks are richer than whites and 6.0 percent thought Hispanics are.

The question about violence, at least as it relates to blacks, should be just as clear cut. Black men are easily the most violent group in the nation, and commit murder at ten times the rate white men do. Their assault rates are higher still. This didn’t keep 13.9 percent of respondents from saying that blacks are less violence-prone than whites.

Likewise, on the subject of intelligence, despite determined efforts in the media to discredit IQ testing and the very notion of IQ, many people know that blacks and Hispanics get low scores. Those who do not know about IQ scores are likely to draw private conclusions from the conditions in which blacks and Hispanics are seen to live.

On the other hand, no matter how overwhelming the evidence for different racial characteristics may be, today’s social dogmas have officially eliminated them by fiat. In some respects, it is remarkable that over 70 percent of all respondents said they thought blacks and Hispanics more likely than whites to prefer living on welfare, and that more than 53 percent were brave enough to say that blacks and Hispanics are less intelligent. In some cases, the answers are less a test of what a survey subject actually thought than a test of what he dared say to a stranger in a face-to-face interview.

The surprises, if there are any, are in how Americans rate Jews, Asians, and Southern whites. Despite their constant chatter about “anti-Semitism,” Jews were the only group to get higher ratings than whites, and they managed this in every single category but patriotism. Southern whites, on the other hand, were rated well below Jews in every category but patriotism, and were even rated lower than Asians in half the categories, including the crucial one of intelligence. At least in the South, the headlines on the press accounts should have read, “Poll rates Southerners lower than Jews and Asians,” but racial convention required that the entirely predictable assessments of blacks and Hispanics be highlighted.

Finally, the entire survey is complicated by the fact that the 1,372 respondents reflect the current racial mix in the United States. Non-whites are less likely to rate themselves as worse than whites, so an all-white survey population would probably have produced even more negative values. Nevertheless, it is fascinating to note that 30 percent of blacks said they thought blacks were less intelligent than whites, and 35 percent of Hispanics likewise rated themselves as less intelligent than whites. Here again are interesting results that are not likely to be widely reported. AR

The survey was conducted by the National Opinion Research Center of the University of Chicago, with a grant from the National Science Foundation.
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Err, thanks, racists, for phrasing something the way you did. You've made me think.

I don't like this thing personally, but I cannot deny that a certain number of people can quite easily decide that they don't like people who aren't just like them. This happens all the time and seems to be bred right into the nature of many, sorry as it is. Only a fool would deny that we are obviously not created equal, or even equivalent.

The problem arises when these fairly low-level and simplistic differences are rationalized and turned into something else, and then those something-else things get turned into programs, and then those programs are put to use deciding who's more of a person than who. Tree, if you and the rest of the KKK-lite Teabagger Brigade were to come right out and say that you've been protesting president Obama all this time because you just don't like black people, it would be a remarkable piece of honesty on your part, and it might even lead to some helpful discussion.

Instead, what seems fully universal among any sub-group practicing racist beliefs is that they rearrange those minor racial-type differences so as to stack themselves on the side labeled 'superior', with the others on the side labeled 'inferior'. You cannot deny the prevalence of this type of behavior among racists of all cultures and ethnicities, regardless of what color their skin is. Japanese do it to Chinese, Chinese to Japanese, whites to blacks, blacks to whites, hispanics to blacks, blacks to hispanics, on and on it goes. I mean, have you ever talked with a person (of the minority you don't like) who's said to you, “Gee, you're right, I'm so inferior, why don't I just move back to [insert mother/fatherland nation name]?” Nobody on either side of any racial argument casts him or herself as the inferior. Get it? This is proof positive of the nonsensical nature of this pursuit. Sheesh, why not argue on the basis of which end you like to crack your hard-boiled eggs?

Please, just put the BS aside and admit you just don't like [insert ethnicity]. It would be far more honest than what you've been saying so far.

Actually, I do not approve of the Tea Bag folks.

(Note in this link http://exiledonline.com/teagagged-tea-party-protest-silenced-over-organizers-links-to-2008-drill-here-drill-now-astroturf-campaign/

that the movement was started by Koch Oil industries.)

I voted for Obama because he was more intelligent and a better speaker than McCain, and I was tired of the moron war-monger way of doing things.

The racism you are talking about is a kind of tribalism and it is not solely associated with the unintelligent and lower class.

ZEN17 - I agree. Most areas within 200 miles of the gulf coast will be uninhabitable by August. (were you wondering what all those FEMA camps were for?) Interestingly enough this was predicted by the web bot guys @ http://halfpasthuman.com/ (i have no connection with them)

Paul Kemp - hmmm... Major war. A bit early i think. 1780, 1860, 1940, 2020? +/- 5 yr of 80 yr cycle. (WWI though "major" was apparently optional for US according to this cycle, but there is tendency for minor war at the 40 yr mark +/-3yr) I hope you're wrong and it doesn't show up early.

Al Klein - We have both a large SUV and a large 4WD pickup and have no intention of replacing them. We don't commute, they are not new, and our total mileage is under 6K per year. We do use our bicycles. The pickup was most recently used for hauling 6 tons (3 trips) of organic compost for our new gardens. Its next use will be hauling 15 cords of firewood down the skidder path from our newly cleared goat pasture. It gets about 30 such uses per year, not counting plowing about 2 miles of our "driveways" in winter. Yes, someday we might have horses, after the goats turn raw land into hayfields to feed them, but meanwhile we need the pickup. The SUV is used even less and carries enough emergency gear that we can live out of (or in) it for two weeks minimum should we be stranded or forced to evacuate. I don't feel a bit guilty about either of them.

sorry not qualified to opine on the probability of the methane bubble hypothesis. I seems quite apocalyptic to me. However i have stumbled upon a slightly less dire hypothesis. Perhaps they drilled into a forming asphalt volcano??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asphalt_volcano

by accident?? or on purpose??

http://www.hiddenmysteries.net/gltest/article.php?story=20100620184415669

I don't know about the possibility you raise, but here's a take on the speculations-

http://xkcd.com/748/

Wage,

Beautiful, concise, and devastating media criticism! Thanks for sharing it!

http://xkcd.com/748/

Somehow, I don't know how, I ended up being Facebook friends with two African-American guys from Atlanta.

To my horror, I found out tonight that they were conservatives!!

Aaahh! What's up with that? That's like my co-worker, who is oh-so-proud of being a Black Republican.

Anyway, you would like the website.

http://www.bookerrising.net/

Tancredo needs news glasses if he looks out and sees minorities on welfare forever.

Most welfare recipients are non-black, adult and on welfare less than two years at a time. Whites form the largest racial group on welfare.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-welfareblack.htm

Blacks comprise only 12 percent of the nation, but, according to the above figures, they comprise 37 percent of the welfare rolls. This should not be surprising; in 1994, blacks had a poverty rate of 33 percent. We should not, of course, think it unusual to find poor people on welfare.

The most prevalent question is why there are so many blacks in poverty. Liberals argue that it is the result of continuing racism and discrimination, especially at hiring time.

Conservatives have argued a variety of other causes: moral shortcomings, poor work ethic, even intellectual inferiority.

Oh, good Lord, Asoka. Do you think
that 37% rate of welfare collecting
in the black community issues forth
from the cosmic vacuum?? They don't
like to GET EDUCATED.

Discrimination? Are you kidding me?
If you're black and applying for
pretty much ANY public sector job
in the nation, from teaching to
driving municipal buses, you've got
one-and-a-half feet already in the
door.

If you're a white, middle-aged male
in the public sector you're about
as welcome as leprosy. If you're
a black/Latino transgender on five
psychiatric meds you're in like
Flint.

E.

Eluthero wrote to Asoka: “If you're a white, middle-aged male in the public sector you're about as welcome as leprosy. If you're a black/Latino transgender on five psychiatric meds you're in like Flint.”

Got links? Or is this something you heard from Rush Limbaugh or his Kentucky-cousin-in-arms Glenn Beck? C'mon, show some hard facts please if this is what you insist is happening. Otherwise please take this garbage over to the Bircher forum. You'll find more sympathy there.

You too are proving the “misery loves company” theory. I can imagine the bunch of you closeted and not-so-closeted pudgy older white racists enjoying the companionship down at your end of the trailer park. Every day, it would be a matter of piling into someone's Suburban or Ram crew cab for the 80-yard ride to the shuffleboard court, then later a stop at the store for a 24-pack of the cheapest possible beer, then it's back to your place for an afternoon of reminiscing, in the back yard, about “how things were so good” when nobody talked back to white males, when the minorities had their own bathrooms and were required to get off the sidewalks for you, and when women stayed in the kitchen all day long and wore heels around the house.

Wake up, mister. 1956 isn't coming back no matter how much you might wish it. That you keep trying to impose the outmoded 1956 social-expectations template onto the present situation, and then think “something's wrong” when it doesn't fit, is by no means indicative of the present situation being wrong.

(oh, and whatever you're using for a text input method is adding hard returns .. you might want to just let it wrap the text instead)

"you're in like Flint" ?????

Perhaps you were reaching for:

"you're in like Flynn"; as in Errol

SNAFU

Coburn vs Flynn.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061810/

(oh, and whatever you're using for a text input method is adding hard returns .. you might want to just let it wrap the text instead)
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Nudge, I made this suggestion to Eleuthero a few months ago to no avail. I concluded he wanted his posts to have the appearance of published poetry.

But, as to the content of the post, I empathize. What I am noticing about Eleut and others like him who have traveled a similar path in life (e.g. Treebeard) namely as teachers - where they see firsthand the dumbing down of society and have had to deal with the lowest forms of Black youth culture and, to make it all the more galling, White youth copycats ... a culture so repulsive and alien to their own - they simply lose it and go hyperbolic in describing it. I am thinking at this moment of a friend (Carol, a non-religious Jew) who taught middle grades in the public school system here in NJ for nearly 40 years and retired a couple years ago. She likened the effort to Sisyphus pushing his rock. Her tales from the trenches are essentially identical to Eleut's and Tree's. The weight lifted from her shoulders upon retirement was palpable. Carol now devotes a lot of time on the internet doing whatever she can to bring down Obama. Until recently, a Jew turning against a democrat in these parts was an extreme rarity.

My own 40 years in the work world were spent among educated adults - very few with less than a college degree - so I have been shielded to a degree from the worst of the culture clash described by these teachers.

I think most Mexicans know exactly who their enemies are. They also know how powerful their enemies are, and given the option to head to El Norte they choose what is clearly the safer, easier path. As long as we act as Latin America's blowout preventer, sufficient pressure for meaningful change will never build. Mexico has a splendid tradition of Revolution, and they are overdue. Might even set a meaningful example for us Yanquis.

Now, if you are referring to our fellow Americans, I might agree. I will spare you the familiar summation from Walt Kelly.

BTW, "El Norte" is a great flick about Latin migrants.

"Seriously, how the hell will they ever stuff that cat back into the bag?"

Just leave it to the professionals, GOG. A crack team of cat-baggers is enroute.

A crack team of cat-baggers is enroute.
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No problem. The team of cat-baggers will take a page from Asoka's playbook. They will say:

Do I contradict myself? Well then I contradict myself. I am large. I contain multitudes.

Asoka, one of the guilty parties in the continuing story of black poverty is the "black leadership", and perhaps it's the most guilty party. Let's look at just one issue: Brown v. Board of Education. What if instead of demanding access to White shcools, the black leadership undetook the "manhattan project" of instilling the value of learning and education within the Black culture, and achieved such excellence in education that White parents WANTED to send their kids to Black schools? What if the Black leadership undertook to evangelize education, skills, work, and other positive cultural aspects of mainstream America among Black parents? What if Black leadership undertook to drive down retrograde currents within Black America such as welfare dependency (including mindless breeding), violence, Rap/Hiphop, obsession with sports, etc?
This surely would've meant more progress than any Government-enforced policies. You should have the integrity to admit that the Blacks themselves are hugely responsible for their plight in America. Look at indigent immigrants from, say, Vietnam, who encountered similar bias and bigotry in America, but in one generation surpassed the Blacks in a giant leap.

What do you say about the dismal failure of the Black leadership?

Shecky, if you want to collect on your Social Security, better re-think your idea of no immigration. Immigrants may be our only chance to finance Social Security and Medicare in the next 30 years. However, it doesn't have to be mindless immigration we've had in the past. How about we actually INVITE immigrants who have any/all of the following: education, training, skills, capital, or just plain old hard work culture who can turn these Killing Fields of Detroit into liveable neighborhoods again. Other countries have immigration categories where people with substantial capital are invited to come in, start businesses, employ people, etc. Once upon a time Chinese workers built railroads in America. Why not again? They have an excess of people willing to work hard, we have a need for cheap labor to build urban rail corridors and walkable cities, a perfect match, don't you think? Along the same thinking, how about a mandatory draft of all unemployed Americans 18-25 (most crime-prone age) into something similar to the good old Civilian COnservation Core to build urban piblic transport ifrastructure (subways, sidewalks, bikeways, light rail, covered passenger shelters with benches -- in other words what Europeans have)?
I'd guess a 10% cut of the Military budget should fund that...

"The people know who their enemies are."

"Nothing could be farther (further) from the truth!!!"

OK, how about a hint?

I've heard that there have been govt job postings up here north of the border that basically said that white men need not apply.

I suppose this was in the interest of increasing non-white, non male representation in the civil service.

IMO racial and gender job quotas are an evil regardless of your motives.

Here's an interesting thing. You may or may not know that Canuck troops are in combat in Afghanistan. So far we've had 148 dead and several hundred wounded.

Every time there is death in Afghanistan the soldier's photo is shown on TV news. So what do we see? Canada is about 20% non white. But the dead, with a few exceptions, are white men.

So it seems that though it is hip and fashionable to crap on white men and while everyone is positively bristling with rights and entitlements, the ones dying in service of this country are almost all white men.

So if we are going to have job quotas, formal or informal, let's have job quotas. Let's have equality of sacrifice and obligation, not just equality of "rights".

Is it fair to have just white men dying in Afghanistan? What would we say if it was almost all non whites getting killed?

Grouchy, the cockroaches in the corner offices are focused on one thing and that's their bonus. They do not give a damn about consistency, ethics or anything other than becoming as rich as Croesus as fast as possible.

I don't know this but I'll bet that at BP and at all the others drilling in the Gulf there was at least one engineer that asked the question what happens if we have a blow out. What is our plan, how do we contain the damage. And I will bet that these guys were told that if they valued their lives and their livelihoods they would STFU, they would never, EVER again bring this topic up. They would get with the party line which is that drilling is safe, the likelihood of a disaster is vanishingly small and they were to NOT get people riled ie environmentalists, regulators, politicians and other assorted pain in the ass do gooders with all this loose talk of underwater disasters that were never going to happen.

So now there is no plan, no technology, no real idea what to do except hope that the relief well works and in the meantime pass out some paper towels and rags.

And I'll bet that those engineers and technicians that brought up the blowout issue are sitting in the deepest basement offices at BP at their most remote fly blown locations going to themselves "didn't I tell you stupid fucking morons this would happen".

This link provides a thorough explanation of "in like Flynn/Flint."

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-inl1.htm

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Hi.

Was just reading from page A11 in the Monday, June 21, 2010 issue of the San Francisco Chronicle

Eitorial On Counting Diplomas

A Graduating problem

Graduating from high school is a treasured right of passage and emotional touchstone for most students. Unfortunately, fewer and fewer California students have the opportunity to experience it.
The national high school graduation rate of 68.8 percent in 2007 was 3.1 percentage points higher than in 1997. As a country, that means far too many students are still slipping through the cracks -- but at least we're making small steps in the right direction.
An exception is California.
According to Education Week's new "Diplomas Count" study, California was an exception to even this small improvement -- during the years 1997 to 2007 (the soonest [most recent] year for which data are available), California's high school graduation rate actually declined by a whopping 4.7 percentage points, the second worst in the nation.
It's easier to speculate about the reasons for the decline than it is to nail down one specific cause. It's true that California's high school student population is increasingly, Latino a group that has lower graduation rates than the overall population. It's true that California has a high proportion of English-language learners, another group that tends to have lower graduation rates. ...
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Please note that given an average iq of 100, then 50% of the population has iqs less than that including about 16% who have iqs less than 85, who are not fit for high school. In fact due to the influx of Latino's who have iqs averaging no more than 90, the average iq in Ca is probably less than that, so that about a third of the population has iqs less than around 95 and are unlikely to be capable of completing rigorous high-school level work satisfactorialy.

Well, yes, a lot of us really dislike those brown-skinned low-class mostly-indian Latinos. They are usually fat, physically unattractive, stupid, and prone to criminality. They can't even manage to run effective sewer systems. They should be sent back to their barrios, and corn-fields in Mexico, Guatamala etc. The blacks should be sent back to Africa. The muslims should go too. The east Asians (and a few Asiatic indians)can stay and do useful work. Not only Scandinavians, and Germans (Welcommen, gutan tag, und wie geht's, Herrs und frauleins!), but British, Irish, and Russians should be allowed to come over. Limited quantities of slavs and swarthy southern Europeans can be allowed as well.
Then we can have a suitable, white European America the way it was supposed to be (with some oriental technical worker drones to make our electronics and to handle the more tedious aspects of accounting, engineering, and software development and such things).

Here is what can be expected from those Latino indian types.
http://www.amren.com/ar/1991/12/index.html#article3

Noble Savagery

James A. Clifton, The Invented Indian, Transaction Publishers, 1990, 388 pp., $29.95

Reviewed by Samuel Taylor

In America virtually all non-whites can trade on their skin color and on tales of past victimization in order to extract benefits from guilt-ridden whites. Blacks are recognized experts at this game, but American Indians have been perhaps even more successful.

At the heart of their success has been the creation of a mythical past inhabited by Indians who never were. The Invented Indian, edited by veteran anthropologist James Clifton, is a brilliant dissection of the myths that have been so widely circulated by Indians and their white apologists. Each of the collection’s 16 authors demolishes an aspect of the myth or describes the cynical purposes it has served.

This book so brazenly flouts America’s unwritten rules on how to talk about minorities, that it is a wonder it was ever published. It would be impossible to bring out a similar book about blacks or Hispanics, and it is a joy to find serious scholars who are willing to write the truth as they see it, without regard to political consequences.

The Myth

The great myth is essentially borne out by whatever one is likely to hear about Indians from non-specialist sources. Professor Clifton devotes several pages to fleshing it out, but it can be quickly summarized: Indians were spiritual, egalitarian, innocent people living in perfect harmony with the earth. They welcomed the white man, taught him the secrets of the wilderness, and shared with him the wisdom of their social institutions. In return, the white man enslaved and slaughtered the Indian, afflicted him with hideous diseases, and tried to destroy his culture.

Nevertheless, runs the myth, the Native American has survived. Though he has been dispossessed and politically emasculated, his spirit remains pure. As the white man begins to acknowledge the horrors he has wrought upon the Indian, so has he begun to study and appreciate the age-old wisdom and natural virtue to which all Indians, everywhere, are heir.

Like all myths, this one leaves certain things out: in this case, cannibalism, infanticide, ritual torture, geronticide, slaughter of prisoners, slavery, and the like. Such practices, though well substantiated, are seldom written about by historians and ethnographers for fear of violating what Prof. Clifton calls the Eleventh Commandment of the Indian business: Never Say No To An Indian. One of the Commandment’s corollaries prohibits writing or saying anything that Indians might not wish to hear. Most Indians know very little about their ancestors of centuries ago, and would vigorously deny accusations of slavery or cannibalism.

In Canada, certain agreeable fictions have semi-legal status. Whenever work crews find human bones at ancient camp sites, for example, they must take special measures not to violate the sacred dead. Broken or burnt human bones — evidence of certain now-embarrassing practices — can be treated like animal bones.

Stressing the Positive

On the stress-the-positive side of the myth we find the wisdom that the white man is supposed to have learned from the Indian. Every school child has heard of Squanto, the Algonquin who taught the Pilgrims to fertilize their corn with fish. As Lynn Ceci points out in a fascinating essay, there is no evidence that any North American tribes used fertilizer of any kind. Squanto, who had a very interesting and well-documented career, probably learned about it in Newfoundland, where he lived for some time among English settlers who routinely fertilized with fish.

School children do not learn that Squanto had lived in both England and Spain, spoke fluent English, and was hardly the noble, simple savage the history books make him out to be. As Dr.Ceci points out, the image of generous Squanto tends to obscure the more accurate picture of Indians who often attacked and killed settlers.

Another part of the great Indian myth that has recently been picking up steam, is that early Americans learned about democracy and the advantages of unity by studying the Iroquois Confederation. One of the authors traces the origins of this myth, and explodes the idea that the Constitution could have been influenced, in any way, by the matrilineal and hereditary form of representation practiced by the Iroquois.

One reason such preposterous notions make any headway at all is that it has become nearly obligatory to describe Indian societies as idyllically egalitarian, even “non-sexist.” Of course, there were hundreds of different tribal societies with different customs, but all of them had well defined sex roles that would horrify Gloria Steinem. Often, women were treated scarcely better than beasts of burden.

As for egalitarianism, it is difficult for bare subsistence-level hunters and gatherers to practice anything else, but as soon as material surplus appeared, some people got more of it than others. Leland Donald writes about the Tutchone of the southern Yukon, who lived on land so harsh as to be nearly uninhabitable. Nevertheless, their society was divided into hereditary classes of rich, poor, and slaves. As Dr. Donald puts it, “even in conditions that seem ideal for the presence of the classic egalitarian Indian society, it is possible for marked inequalities to emerge.”

The potlatches and ruinous gift-giving that were required for status among the more prosperous Northwest Indians are well known, but somehow coexist with the myth that Indians all lived in innocent classlessness. Even well known expressions like “low man on the totem pole” fail to puncture the myth.

Another important part of the image is the perfect harmony with nature in which Indians are said to have lived. Once again, sparsely scattered, stone-age people have very little choice about the matter, but “Mother Earth” is central to the myth. All Indians, it is said, saw the earth as their beloved mother. Hills were her breasts, streams were mother’s milk, and vegetation was her lovely hair.

Astounding as it may seem, one of the authors explains that the entire Mother Earth story can be traced to a single statement made by a single Indian in 1885. There is virtually no other evidence that Indians thought of the earth as mother. Nevertheless, the Mother Earth belief is now so widely attributed not only to American Indians but to all primitive peoples that it is frightful heresy to point out how unsubstantiated it is.

Not surprisingly, there are plenty of entrepreneurs — Indian and non-Indian — who have parlayed the notion of the noble, nature-wise Indian into a means of parting gullible whites from their money. People with names like Rolling Thunder and Spotted Fawn do a brisk business promoting sweat lodges, sun dances, purification ceremonies, or whatever else aging hippies can be made to pay for. These ceremonies bear only a vague resemblance to anything the Indians of the past ever did, but there is a steady market for them.

According to another author, the same can be said for the pottery sold on the Pamunkey Indian reservation in Virginia. The Pamunkey stopped making pottery in the 1890s and started up again in the 1930s only because the state of Virginia paid to establish a pottery school on the reservation. Now tourists happily buy “Indian” pots, decorated with stick figure “writing” that is likewise a 20th century invention.

The High Counters

Minor frauds like these are relatively harmless. Deliberate attempts to manipulate thinking about Indians are more serious. David Henige of the University of Wisconsin reports that there is a small academic industry devoted to inflating the population estimates of Pre-Columbian America. If evidence can be found that tens of millions of healthy, happy Indians were living on the continent before the white man arrived, then the reduction of their numbers through warfare and disease can be made to seem all the more heinous.

The High Counters, as Mr. Henige calls them, pore over ancient accounts, pick the most exaggerated population estimates they can find, and solemnly pass them along as wholly credible. One scholar, for example, believes that a single energetic priest actually baptized, and counted, 14,000 Indians in a single day — one every six seconds, ‘round the clock. Others think that when Cortes said he faced an army of “more than 149,000” men, he can be relied on to have counted them accurately.

As Mr. Henige points out, numbers like these are just another way of saying “a lot,” but it is the scholars who are prepared to believe the worst of the colonizing white man who have the deepest faith in his ability to count people in crowds. Other High Counters would have it that European diseases swept through native tribes before the white man found them, killing up to half the population before Europeans could even start counting them.

If, by whatever means, the High Counters can gin up enough pre-Columbian Indians, they can then trot out the great, anti-white totem word, “genocide,” when they talk about the legacy of Columbus. The University of Oklahoma has even published a book called American Indian Holocaust and Survival.

Indian Givers

Present descendants of invented Indians have woven the strands of myth into a mighty whip with which to beat the white man. They have, for example, mobilized reservoirs of public sympathy for huge land claims. Allan van Gestel, who has defended current owners against such claims, estimates that since 1970, Indian law suits have clouded the title to 35 million acres in the Eastern United States alone. This is an area the size of Austria or Ireland.

Indians can always call on teams of eager whites who will work for them pro bono. Clever lawyers have based most land cases on an obscure Congressional proclamation of 1783 that forbade the states to buy land from Indian tribes without federal permission. This was six years before the Constitution even went into effect, and several state governments had bought land from Indians even before the proclamation. This has not stopped tribes from trying to get back land that was duly purchased — and that has been enormously improved in the last two hundred years.

Public sentiment, stoked by tales about the invented Indian, is such that Indians can virtually monopolize the services of scholars and historians; to testify “against” Indians can ruin a career. Some Indian claims have cost current land-owners hundreds of millions of dollars.

Today, the federal government has primary responsibility for dealing with Indians, but states and Canadian provinces also manage publicly funded Indian programs. According to Steven Feraca, a long-time worker at the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA), all of these bureaucracies have long been given over to race-based hiring and promotion. Preferences at the Bureau are so blatant, and career prospects for non-Indians so bleak, that although Indians are only 1/2 percent of the US population, they hold 75 percent of the jobs at BIA.

In the last few decades, the “Indian desks” of virtually all branches of government have been turned over to Indians, so that decisions that are supposed to be made in the names of larger jurisdictions are in the hands of unabashed partisans. Tribal “leaders” are now often indistinguishable from Indian-affairs bureaucrats, with no way to sort out the resulting conflicts of interest. What is more, as another author points out, chronic lateness and absenteeism in these offices are routinely excused by the notion that Indians work according to mysterious earth rhythms rather than by the white man’s clock.

In sum, both in Canada and in the United States, Indians have succeeded in becoming a kind of Uber-citizen. Off the reservation, they have all the usual legal rights, in addition to the strenuous affirmative-action preferences that are now obligatory. On the reservation, they enjoy a kind of extraterritoriality, which exempts them from many taxes and laws, and entitles them to a complete array of Indians-only health and welfare benefits. They have suckled at the public teat for longer than any other group in North America, and bear the stigmata of listlessness and squalor to prove it.

Next year will mark the 500th anniversary of Columbus’ discovery of America. What, by all rights, should be a proud celebration of the spread of civilization to the New World, has already been hijacked by cultural relativists who see in the white man nothing but wickedness. The October issue of National Geographic begins a series of “quincentenary” articles, in which the editors flatter themselves on letting Indians write from “the most intimate — and perhaps truest — perspective of all.”

Such a series is likely to be filled with the exploits of invented Indians — more of what Prof. Clifton calls “perfectly enchanting fiction … that is both believed by its impresarios and presented as believable to others.” His book, impressively researched and stuffed with fascinating details, is the perfect antidote. AR
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Remember, the American way of life is non-negotiable. Now keep moving. Get back in your car and drive around in circles some more.
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The "first steps away" from happy motoring may not be at first obvious, and in fact, the focus on cars in general masks a number of equally insidious problems.

Check the carbon footprint on cheeseburgers in the U.S... the entire food chain stream from the corn grown to feed the cattle on a Cow-schwitz feed-lot to transit to freezing the meat, to a media purchase for juicy, glistening ads for fast food purveyors. It makes SUVs and trucks pale by comparison in carbon footprint terms, not to mention that people are driving to buy most cheeseburgers sold in America... so why not the demonizing of cheeseburgers?

How about power-mowers, boats, jet-skis, motorcycles+scooters, none of which have emissions controls and collectively constitute staggering carbon footprints.

While I'd like to see the natural order of things triumph into radically reduced SUVs, trucks and combustion cars, and their parking lots, perhaps focusing disproportionally on car culture & road-building-maintaining is a convenient focal-point to the detriment of other far more villainous everyday activities.

Ban cheeseburgers? - stop mowing lawns? The Long Emergency collective conscience needs to focus on something and build consensus, picking too many or the wrong enemies can be very costly.

Belisarius, I'm not referring to people who have a genuine use for 4x4s or SUVs. I'm talking about the guys (and women) who drive to their desk jobs in temperate climates in huge road machines. I see them every day. I am especially bewildered at the halfwits who drive around in huge pickups that have never seen a load of anything in the truck bed. My comment when I see such mindless cretins is "Big truck, Little dick". If the opportunity presents itself - say at a traffic light - I will inform them of this assessment, if it pleases me at the moment.
This is a democracy so each of us gets to make his own decisions to some extent. This does not absolve us from making those decisions in a manner which concedes the existence of others and their right to enjoy the fruits of the planet. Accordingly, it our duty to not be gluttonous and leave resources for others to use. So if you in your own mind can justify the ownership and use of an SUV and 4x4, I'm willing to accept that. But beware of too much explanation of your purpose, lest you be accused of protesting too much.

Insane indeed! Cripes, I find myself insanely thinking that an asteroid might save the human race from the shameful fate of drowning in our own sewage.

Thank YOU, G.R., enjoyed your comment!
To go even further down that outre road of "magical thinking":

"The tantalizing illusions offered by our consumer culture, however, are vanishing for most citizens as we head toward collapse. The ability of the corporate state to pacify the country by extending credit and providing cheap manufactured goods to the masses is gone. The jobs we are shedding are not coming back, as the White House economist Lawrence Summers tacitly acknowledges when he talks of a “jobless recovery.” The belief that democracy lies in the choice between competing brands and the accumulation of vast sums of personal wealth at the expense of others is exposed as a fraud. Freedom can no longer be conflated with the free market. The travails of the poor are rapidly becoming the travails of the middle class, especially as unemployment insurance runs out. And class warfare, once buried under the happy illusion that we were all going to enter an age of prosperity with unfettered capitalism, is returning with a vengeance."

The full article is well worth the read; it stings, but it damn sure needs some ponderin'.
Here ya be:

https://www.adbusters.org/magazine/90/hedges-american-psychosis.html

How is killing Afghan peasants "serving" Canada?

Don't you know? it's Canada's admission fee to the riches of the military-industrial money machine.

Nudge,

Stop extrapolating about people ...
whatever their words. I do not live
in a trailer park. I'm not fat. I'm
not even really a racist because I see
too many young whites going ghetto to
where a new meme has been developed
about them ... "wiggers". Really.

Out of 10,247 students I've had over
22 years of public instructor, I've
had SIX blacks graduate from my classes.
Why don't you stick to the facts yourself
and stop telling people what they are
unless you know them.

E.

Qshtik,

I, myself, have criticized Vlad before
on the grounds that he's not even noticing
those "copycats" of whom you speak ...
white kids emulating the very WORST
ghetto language, dress, and manners.

I feel for your friend but please pass
on my congrats about her retirement. I,
myself, am taking early retirement next
year at age 59. I've had enough of
dealing with kids raised in the Self
Esteem Movement.

Teaching at any level now is not exactly
a fulfilling task and it seems like the
biggest part of the collapse in decorum
and performance has been within the last
five years. Yes, there are still a few
superstars but when they are buried in a
class of 40 illiterates with bad manners
and a HUGE sense of entitlement, the
psychological income of those few only
takes you so far.

E.

No, Snafu, it's "In Like Flint" as in
the movie starring James Coburn.

E.

"he's "...very popular with the Army."

The USA grunts aren't wild about McChrystal (he did cover up the Tillman friendly fire death) ... but yeah, McChrystal is probably popular with the Taliban army being funded by the USA taxpayers ... so the Taliban can buy weapons and kill USA soldiers. War is good for business.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=131480§ionid=351020403

Well, in some sense one can trace the detoriation in manners and habits back to the jazz age in the 20's or even back to rag time. I was a college and graduate student in the 90's, and have only taught a small amount as a lab ta and a sub teacher. How much would you say things have changed during your life time and how do you see there being a big change over the last 5 years?
I am not a big fan of the whiggers either. Vanilla Ice spear-headed the effort as did Marky Mark. I have called Eminem the whigger Messiah.
I think a lot of the whigger culture does not go much pass the emulating the dress, music, and talk of the ghetto rappers. One sees it more with the guys than with the girls. It is also something that generally only young people do, from around the age of 9 to about 35 or so. One hardly ever sees white folks over 40 emulating this culture.

"The problem arises when these fairly low-level and simplistic differences are rationalized and turned into something else, and then those something-else things get turned into programs, and then those programs are put to use deciding who's more of a person than who."

True. The opposite situation illustrates such rationalization of hatreds. If you have an influx of gays into your neighborhood, the crime rate goes down, the properties are upgraded (tastefully, I might add), per capita income increases and property values go up. As a bonus, they don't reproduce!

Using the usual criteria for belittling racial minorities, your average racist should LOVE gay people.

But they don't, do they.

Ok. That is a good point and as long as the gays are discreet and don't encroach too much, their presence can be tolerated. I would much rather be surrounded by young white gay men than young black straight men. Lesbians are even safer.

Wage, you are right that we have too many people. But Puzzler is right that the proportion of smart people to dumb has to become much higher. Why do you believe that your idea cancels out his? Obviously both are needed to create a correct policy. Or do you just not believe high intelligence is necessary or desirable? Or lets cut to the chase: are you afraid that affrirming intelligence means affirming that it is in fact, largely inherited (well over 50%)? Once this is realized, the whole Liberal/Socialist/Communist Agenda become patently absurd and these fanaticisms will fall into the dustbin of history along with Mithraism and the Flat Earth.

I adore you my Queen, my Queen of Non Sequitirs.

When I become Dictator, women will have to wear their hair long - no more of the short, butch, neuteured worker insect crap. Twice a month, at the time of the full and new moon, all women under 50 will have to wear their long hair loose and flowing. Women whose hair does not flow will be exempt of course. Our Order will know only silken bonds to the well disposed of the fairer sex.

So what do you think of the "Fan Culture" of South Africa? These guys are worse than the Irish American drunks on St Patrick's Day. And how bout that call against America? We's been robbed! Pele and his Blonde wife was one thing - what does a fifty thousand years of evolution matter. But this? But this?

Great points - Booker T Washington said the same thing. As he put it, why do Blacks always have to force themselves on Whites. Isn't that in itself an admission of insecurity and inferiority? Why does separate have to mean unequal if Blacks really do have equal capacity? (which I doubt). If Blacks were equal and applied themselves, they'd often be able to do better than Whites - as they already often do in sports.

The big turning point on the Brown case was the work of Dr Kenneth Clark, a psychologist. He claimed that segregtion was bad for Black Children, made them feel inferior. He based this on Black Children who had been segregated choosing White Dolls over Black Dolls. What he "forgot" to mention was that integrated Black Children chose White Dolls even more often than the integrated children. In other words, he lied. Brown vs Board of Education was based on a lie. All dark skinned cultures that I'm familiar with find light skin more attractive than dark skin. So the children's reaction is not unusual. Also more recently Black Children have been wired up to record their reactions to being shown pictures of faces. They react with more anxiety to Black Faces just like White Children do. Black Adults are the same. As are White Adults. The body does not lie.

Of the Big Three: Marcus Garvey, Booker T Washington, and W.B DuBois, Asoka is 100% a DuBois/Fanon wretched of the Earth Type. Whites are evil but for some reason Blacks will follow them anywhere. The first two gentlemen had some real dignity and their plans would have had real benefits. W.B on the other hand, was a Communist Anti White hater just like Paul Robeson. His school of thought won out. How could it not have since it had the backing of those who financed communism? People never ask that all important question of who financed the Revolution. Like the Orangutan told Charlton Heston, they wouldn't like what they found if they were to ask. But people are content to believe that peasants with pitchforks acutally overthrow States and defeat armies. In any case, like most of the strategies of communism, it has "worked" and caused unspeakable suffering. As Adams said about Thomas Paine: he knows all about how to tear a country down, but nothing about how to build one up. Asoka is that kind of guy too.

I was Alone and beleaugured. Then somehow I sowed the Dragon's Teeth and a fine crop of Race Realists appeared. Now grown to sudden and completle Dragonhood, you all amaze me with your glorious color, wings, and fiery breath. You are all my Beloved Sons in whom I am well pleased.

It's a fine name - Welsh? I must decline though. I'm already affiliated with the Northwest Movement, an attempt to create a homeland for Whites in the Pacific Northwest. I'm just a small part of something very big. The Nordic Sub Race seems to be an evolutionary failure unless we can pull something out at the 11th hour. The blonder people are, the more PC and the more subservient to Darkies of all descriptions. I went to a Mosque after 9/11 to hear the local Mullah. The Whites just fell all over themselves in adulation. They are slaves in search of masters, obviously caught in some kind of evolutionary cul de sac. The best hope of the White Race seems to lie with the Slavs now. They are late bloomers in terms of culture, but they have been coming on pretty well for the last five hundred years. And in certain places in the Slavic World, you still find Aryans - even men with Blonde Hair. That has almost vanished in America and Western Europe. Even Scandanavia is becoming all dark haired now. But more to the point, the Slavs are still normal human beings who love themselves and their countries. Such simple things, but the building blocks of everything. Hopefully with the combination of Aryan, Alpine, and even a bit of Latin Blood in Hungary and Rumania, they can preserve some of what we were as well as themselves.
Life is strange - some of the finest red haired men I have ever seen have been Hasidic Jews. The genetic isolation of the Hasids has preseved some interesting and valuable genotypes.
Red Hair is vanishing even from its stronghold in southern Scotland and Western Ireland.

My car took a crap this past weekend, and will be promptly sent off to the scrap yard. I have decided to bike commute for as long as possible, because automobiles and everything that involves them is a scam. Besides, I live 3.5 miles from work and about the same distance from the nearest grocery store.

I stopped by the office of my insurance agent to terminate my policy today, and she asked me what vehicle I wanted to switch coverage to. I smiled sweetly and said, "none". She looked at me like I was talking about slow roasting babies over hot coals and eating them.

I find that energy descent is not even on most people's radar. When I try to explain it, I am generally met with outright denial.

I haven't posted here since I began working again in February, as a new hire at my old workplace, in the same position with an 8% pay cut. I have been reading each week though, and I have made some observations in my downtime.

1. Obama is an empty suit, as well as a spineless jellyfish. Voting for him was a waste of time.

2. Stimulus money in my area seems to be mostly spent on fixing streets in affluent neighborhoods and erecting signs proclaiming it, while busy state maintained roads crumble into dust (I live in Michigan).

3. I am debt-free and continuing to manage contraction in my own small way, but most break time conversations still seem to revolve around buying things. Ignorance is bliss, or so it seems.

4. The oily mess in the gulf cannot be stopped by any form of human intervention. Maybe all the dead sea life will form an oil reservoir for our distant descendants to drill for, resulting in an equally spectacular disaster.

5. Everyone is on drugs, everyone has guns, and nobody is in charge.

BIKES SUCK. They are not the answer jackass. Stop talking about bikes all you nincompoops.

Why doesn't your new job or company offer BUS transport to all of its workers ? Why don't they incentivate that ? Why do they all suck so much ?

Why don't you take the BUS ? What is wrong with asking for BUSES asshole ? Are you making between 100 and 800 dollars a month in your new "job" ?

Did you know that the future going salary in the USA, the EU (European Union in case you don't know) and JAPAN (along with some others like South Korea) will end up being between 100 and 800 dollars a month, therefore 400 dollars month average ? Ask your company to give you only 400 dollars a month so you can play the game ahead of time, you won't be "costing" too much and won't risk being outsourced, automated out of a job, downsized or having your job exported to Indonesia where they make 100 dollars a month and are probably better educated and more disciplined than you.

And remember, attack the person, not his ideas. And the guy with the beard, the rascist, he is a cock.

Bikes are a good stopgap answer. What's better is to walk anywhere you need to go. This is probably in the cards for us anyway (if we hang around long enough). So, may as well get fit and start enjoying it. Health benefits are a bonus. Happy trails!

Scarlet girl, in case you didn't know, in order to walk everywhere, like to the "mall" or to "work" (whatever that will mean in the future, since work is disappearing, is no longer needed since EXCESS CAPACITY is abolishing work, that excess capacity being robots, computers, optimizations, etc.) you need to live in high density environments. That means you need to live in SKYSCRAPERS, Big Buildings in huge cities, each building having from 50 to 200 floors where the only travel is through elevators, where you don't even hardly need to "walk" anymore. Talk about "peak oil".

The myth of population explosion is so wrong it is not even funny: most of the countries in the world are undergoing a population decrease, just look at Russia or Ukraine (the guy with the beard thinks the "slavs" will be the future).

We can host a few trillion people in skyscrpapers all across the USA if needed (but it won't be needed because the worldwide population will peak at most at 15 to 20 billion).

We also need FREE SALARIES, since all work has been automated by machines, we need advance science to march on in triumph, since now we have created artificial life that will make oil for free by engineered bacteria metabolism.

And the TECHNOLOGICAL SINGULARITY is marching on, we are now experimenting with modified neural networks in the mind, new organizations of information, sense organs and emotions in engineered brains, with chips inside and new wild chemical changing all reality.

Check out:

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=162692

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=163667

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=166773

Thanks Q,

Kinda like using "homing in" and "honing in" interchangeably

SNAFU

"Check the carbon footprint on cheeseburgers in the U.S... the entire food chain stream from the corn grown to feed the cattle on a Cow-schwitz feed-lot to transit to freezing the meat, to a media purchase for juicy, glistening ads for fast food purveyors."

Yes, your comments demonstrates your understanding of the challenges of determining the true resource consumption generated by particular products.

Several years ago, I posted an essay defining the conundrum of determining the difference between resource consumption as a commodity or a recreation.

Simply put, who gets to go swimming in the desert if the pool keepers children are dying of thirst?

I don't recall saying bikes are the answer, most certainly not for everyone. It just so happens that it works for me.

You can ask for buses as much as you like, you are not going to get them. We don't do common sense in this country.

The word you are were looking for is "incentivize", not incentivate you semi-literate baboon. Please go to the mirror in your bathroom, stare at your own reflection, and scream and throw shit at that. Good day.

General McChrystal has committed a crime.

Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Homeland Security, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct. 10 U.S.C. § 888 : US Code - Section 888: Art. 88. Contempt toward officials

Asoka. That's nice.

And your point is relevant here how, pray tell?

You are the weakest link. Good bye.

You're exactly backwards.

I don't think that smart people need to breed more, because I don't believe that intelligence is mostly inherited.

Geniuses like Edison, Einstein and Darwin don't produce genius children.

Smarter parents produce smarter children, but how much is genetics and how much stimulation?

Every once in a while, an ordinary family produces an extraordinary child.

Should every family keep breeding until they get theirs?

That would be hard on the ecosystem.

Did you even read my piece on survival of the smartest?

I believe that smart people are persecuted and harassed, especially in the US, where we are told that the reason the American people elected a smirking idiot as President (which they didn't, but that is disregarded), is that we identify with him.

On your other point, recently management at my workplace decreed that long hair must be put up, so now I do.

I twist it on the top of my head, and my co-workers complain that I now look Pentecostal.

I prefer trains to cars and planes.

I prefer to ride a bike rather than walk.

I prefer light rail to buses.

Are you going to scream at me now?

Hi, 8m. There is something about you and your cornucopian phylosophy I find annoying and threatening. For one thing oil is used not so much as a material as an energy source. In a way it is distilled sunlight, that has saved up and stored the light that fell on ancient forests and swamps and was used by animals 10's of millions ago for many millions of years. It is not something that would be created abiotically much at all and not something that can be easily replaced in the quantities in which it was made naturally.
Also, it was my compatriot the eugenecist Vlad, who said the slavs are our future. See his lines below. He may be right about that. The slavs of eastern Europe have been least affected by the soul-weakening disease of political correctness, liberal thinking, and other western decadence. He also made good points about how [the recessive] blond-haired [gene] and hybrid [red-haired] gene are disappearing.

"The best hope of the White Race seems to lie with the Slavs now. They are late bloomers in terms of culture, but they have been coming on pretty well for the last five hundred years. And in certain places in the Slavic World, you still find Aryans - even men with Blonde Hair. That has almost vanished in America and Western Europe. Even Scandanavia is becoming all dark haired now. But more to the point, the Slavs are still normal human beings who love themselves and their countries. Such simple things, but the building blocks of everything. Hopefully with the combination of Aryan, Alpine, and even a bit of Latin Blood in Hungary and Rumania, they can preserve some of what we were as well as themselves."

Canadian soldiers target combatants in Afghanistan whether they are Afghans or foreigners fighting for the Taliban or Al Qaeda.

Afghans are grown ups just like us. They have all the intellectual and moral faculties that we have. They are individually and collectively responsible for what happens in their country. That country chose to harbour Al Qaeda. Al Quaeda is responsible for the attacks on 9/11. Canada is a member of NATO and regardless of that fact, the US (whether Americans know it or not) is Canada's closest friend and ally. Canadians also died in the 9/11 attack. As a result, Canadian soldiers are now on the front lines in the fight against the people responsible for the 9/11 attack as well as their allies, cheerleaders and enablers.

The people that Canadians are fighting have allies on our soil. We've had recent close calls with terror on our soil also.

People like the Taliban and Al Qaeda are not your friend Wage. They are not people inclined to make time to discuss women's issues, will outlaw abortion, will outlaw education for girls. Obama thought that talking nice helps. It won't.

Muslims are not helpless victims. Muslim civilizations have been militarily aggressive since day one. For 1100 of the past 1400 years of Islam's existence they had Western civilization back on its heels. For many centuries and by many measures ie economically, scientifically Muslim civilization was superior to ours. Muslims conquered longstanding bastions of western civilization in the eastern Mediterranean, in Spain, North Africa, the Balkans, Italy, Sicily and they took a shot at conquering France. Three hundred short years ago Muslim armies were banging on the gates of Vienna (1688 I think).

What are the causes of Islamic terror? Assumptions of Muslim religious, civilizational and cultural superiority. They use terror tactics because for the time being they are economically and technologically behind. The fight with Islam is nothing new. We've been at it for centuries.

I hate those damned trumpets. I wish they would chant and sing like everybody else. And yes you guys got robbed.

No matter though you'll make it through to the next round. I'll bet that in future World Cups it will be the US and China duking it out in the final game. Soccer culture in N. America will take some time but I think it will come.

I watch the English Premier League. I like Arsenal. They're a north London club. The Big 4 in that league, Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool, play dazzling football, especially Arsenal. They have a lot of the world's best talent playing in that league. Landon Donovan played on loan for Everton and by all accounts put in a cracking good performance. Clint Dempsey (another Yank) has been a stalwart at Fulham for years now. You should check out a few games. Season starts mid August.

I don't think that religious fundamentalists of any type are my friend, Cash.

That's why I opposed Reagan funding the muhajadeen in the 80s. I mourn the loss of all the progressive Afghans murdered by the muhajadeen.

I think it's horrible that the US funded the Muslim Brotherhood, in order to disrupt secular progressive governments in the Middle East.

And I think it was wrong for the US and Israel to fund Hamas against the PLO.

Don't pull the "think of the poor women" thing on me. The women of Afghanistan were obtaining their freedom in the 70's, until the US-funded muhajadeen attacked them.

http://www.kathleenfoster.com/
(Please take the time to watch the video)

And they aren't any better off after 9 years of US/NATO/Canadian occupation, so don't try to tell me that further attacks on wedding parties will benefit the women.

And, by the way, although JHK censors all 9-11 truth from this site, (although he allows rampant racism), I don't believe that 9-11 was pulled off by AlQueda, let alone Afghan peasants.

So, no, I don't think that Canada has any right to attack peasants and goatherders in "self-defense", or for any other reason.

I am devastated by the shit going down in the gulf. I hope the people most directly fucked over by BP get all Western on their asses. Hair on the walls, bro. Them folks are not to be taken lightly.

If it is the end of the world, none of the rest of it matters. If it is not the end of the world, the rest of it is still of interest.

You remind me of my bible-slapping brother who won't talk about anything else cuz Jesus is a-comin' and I better get right with god.

Kee-rist.

Thank you, thank you, thank you! Amen and god bless! What you say is not at all boring. The only reasons why we have not had civil wars in this country again is because the GUTLESS selfish whites cave in every time the black, Mexican and other scum ask for more. So why is it that the corporate rulers of America and Europe are trying to destroy the white working class and replace it with Mexicans? Is it because the Mexicans are more cowardly, stupid, and easily controlled?
" Okay, boring history stuff here, but the blacks, Mexicans, and to an extent certain Jews are like the south. They demand more and more concessions from whites, assert complete control and insist all 'racism' be abolished and de facto end of the white race, or at least whites, like the north in the antebellum period, keep their mouths shut and keep paying for a corrupt system that will eventually destroy them."

"I bet not one of you actually live on the Gulf of Mexico."

And I bet you don't live in Afghanistan or have your door kicked in a 2:00 in the morning or have your family's wedding undergo aerial bombardment.

When thousands of foreign troops have invaded your country and are terrorizing and killing members of your family, your immediate concern is not an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico.

Get a grip Envirofrigginmental and educate yourself about how many of the earth's resources have been wasted in training exercises for the armed forces, shipping materials and personnel, bombing and strafing civilians, and, in general, spending THREE TRILLION DOLLARS on a stupid criminal war

The war in Afghanistan that General McChrystal was running (until today) has actually increased the likelihood of a terrorist nuclear attack on the United States that will definitely take your mind off the Gulf of Mexico.

http://www.amazon.com/Three-Trillion-Dollar-War-Conflict/dp/0393334171/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1277327312&sr=1-1

Meanwhile, you needn't scold the rest of us who have MISMANAGING CONTRACTION concerns that differ from yours.

I wasn't thinking of women there. I was thinking of women here. Too many people have this idea that the US (or the Western world) can be dented and scratched but never brought down. This is in my opinion a fatal attitude. It is a conceit you or we cannot afford. It is like the Romans in their villas laughing at the toothless, stinking Germanic barbarians. How could they possibly take down the mighty Roman Empire with its glittering cities and its multitude of armoured soldiers? But they did.

Do you think those poor peasants and goat herders can't bring down the US and Western civilization? You under-estimate them. They are a lot tougher and smarter than you think. They defeated the Soviet Union barefoot and armed mostly with WW2 weapons. The Soviets Army was never noted for its squeamishness or its concern for civilian casualties. But they got whipped.

The advantage that militant Muslims and Muslims in general have over Americans is that they have self belief, faith in Allah and are willing to die for their cause. Too many Americans (maybe a majority) despise their own country, blame America for all the ills of the world, hold their own culture and heritage in contempt, have no sense of history, no sense of their place in it.

Do you think that the US is evil? It is no worse than any other country or culture. I would argue that the US has done a lot of bone headed and evil things but on balance the world is a better place with Americans than without them. Do you think that the US is the only country to have taken slaves? How many other countries disembowelled themselves in a civil war over the issue?

Do you think that the Muslims that hate you are "over there" somewhere? You would be wrong. They are here on your soil. Islam as a religion in the US is growing quickly. Same in Europe, same in Canada.

Do you have this idea that if we don't bother the Islamic world they won't bother you? You would be wrong about that too. You are not an equal in their eyes. You are an infidel. Military aggressiveness was part and parcel of Islamic cultures from day one. Still is. The character of it has changed but it is still there.

And I promise I will watch the video.

It is the Latinos who will invade and take over America the way the Germans did to Rome, not the muslims. They will do it with the support of the corporate elite who prefer them to the white working class because the Mexicans are stupider, work cheaper, and are more docile.

*Do you think those poor peasants and goat herders can't bring down the US and Western civilization? You under-estimate them. They are a lot tougher and smarter than you think. They defeated the Soviet Union barefoot and armed mostly with WW2 weapons. The Soviets Army was never noted for its squeamishness or its concern for civilian casualties. But they got whipped.*

People here particularly in the US, don't have a sense of family, history, community, or place. They know just about nothing about anything and pride themselves on it. They are fat, lazy, ignorant, stupid, and spend their time watching tv, and driving around in circles and swiping credit cards. They are also gutless and will be easily defeated.

Cash wrote:

"Do you think that the US is evil? It is no worse than any other country or culture. I would argue that the US has done a lot of bone headed and evil things but on balance the world is a better place with Americans than without them. Do you think that the US is the only country to have taken slaves? How many other countries disembowelled themselves in a civil war over the issue?"

"You remind me of my bible-slapping brother who won't talk about anything else cuz Jesus is a-comin' and I better get right with god."

I actually agree with you on that point. I am envirofrigginmental after all, and unapologetic about it. That doesn't mean I do not see the relevance of other important issues, as I will concede that they are all interconnected/ interrelated and have their validity and importance.

If there's a nuclear war, then we don't have the luxury to deal with a crumbling environment. Bombs will simply accelerate the mess.

But if that doesn't occur, then the environment comes next in importance. We are shitting in our own backyards and the consequences are starting to pile up.

My problem is that the focus of many comments here are off-base and obtuse relative to this issue, i.e. the rapid annhilation of our planet's ecosystem. These issues (of race and Jews and Afghanistan and rogue generals) are moot in the face of us choking on our own sewage (and oil in the Gulf). And much like a house of cards that is falling, essentially that is what is currently happening, environmentally... except in slow motion, so much so that we are having difficulty detecting it.

My point is that if we do not collectively focus our attention on our environment, all those other issues don't matter a damn! And aren't there other forums to enable people to talk about that stuff than here? Why isn't anyone (including world leaders) having an intelligent conversation about overpopulation and population control and/or reduction, one of the cornerstone issues of our lack of sustainablity?

All this blacks and Jews and generals and FIFA commentaries simply reminds me of Nero playing while Rome burned. It distracts us from reality.

I hear you, Gogreenordi. I feel very fortunate that no one has denigrated scarlet people such as myself. We should be concerned with matters more important than the color of one's skin.

Hmm, Visigoths?

Funzel, as I said above, partial truths and lies. You'e one of the culprits who distract us from reality, and infect us with the virus of irrational and groundless hate.

Scarlet people, along with purple and orange, are some of the finest examples of humanity, let me tell ya ;D

I think you have a real point, TBU,
about the deterioration being nearly
a century old. I looked at Willa
Cather's college entrance exam for
the year 1900. Wow!! I felt very
humbled by this experience.

You could see the precursors of the
"whigger" way back with the flappers
of the 1920s and the huge profusion
of de facto whores in the Depression
who "loved" any guy who looked remotely
like a meal ticket. The musical "Chicago"
depicted this sort of thing excellently
in the character played by Rene Zellweger.

However, in my "limited" time of 22 years
in public instruction, the decay has been
worst in the last handful of years. It's
as if the vast majority of parents and
K-12 teachers have just plain given up.

In California, the educational environment
is so dispiriting that the career length
of high school teachers is now under five
years and in some really awful locales
like Oakland it is under four.

Yes, we've probably been going downhill
for a hundred years but the drop from
even a decade ago feels like an "endtimes"
phenomenon. Horrible manners. Young
students calling me by my last name
with no Mr. or any other title before
it. They cannot read problem specs
that are a paragraph long written in
simple declarative English without
even a conjunction.

By the way, you'd be hard-pressed to
find teachers who disagree with the
scenario of the present I've laid
out. That's why I'm retiring after
two more quarters of teaching at the
tender young age of 59. I don't
want to stroke out from anger or
get so depressed I can't get out
of bed.

E.

Good afternoon, fine sir. What did you see as being partially or completely untrue in VK's postings?

"He uses various tactics (partial truth, repeating lies until they appear true, etc)"

What do you consider to be an intellectual?
"Then you have Vlad-Lites, lately it's the asswipe Treebeard (an intellectual Pigmy who has a delusion of grandeur, he actually fancies himself an intellectual I bet),"

I don't meet the definition of an imbecile or a moron as I tested well into the gifted range.

"I don't understand why Kunstler doesn't set some ground rules and then keeps imbeciles like Treebeard locked out. This is Kunstler's forum and he can do whatever he pleases."

And pray tell what would that mental or ethical deficiency be?

"You clearly have severe mental (and ethical) deficiency, you'll be a miserable prick unless you get some help pronto. "

Sir Green, you do have a problem with hostility.
It is not good for your health. How is your blood pressure?

"now, go drown yourself or something, and make this world a little better place for all of us."

Eleuthero, these kids are the direct consequence of the decades of welfare, corporate brainwashing (aka pop culture), breakdown of black family, breakdown of general civility in our society, self-esteem movement, etc. Plenty of blame for that to go around -- black leadership most of all, white liberals, misguided and corrupt politicians, etc.

"All this blacks and Jews and generals and FIFA commentaries simply reminds me of Nero playing while Rome burned. It distracts us from reality."
-E.F.M.

Hmmmm, mayhap that would be the point? Crowd out the people who want to focus on the actual problems that relate to SURVIVAL of the human race (vs. that "white" race)? I mean, Jeebus H., look what happened to the last incarnation of the exclusionary hairy-end "master" race... mass suicide; how fun was that? Maybe they would like us to join them in the next insanity (in the NW, I guess). Ha! Have fun with the Pacific/Malay pirates; they ain't much a'skeert o' white-folk.

I can't figure why they'd think this forum a prime spot to gain some converts, so I'm going with the disruption/blah-blah-I'm-longer-and-louder theory.

Well now, my list is getting longer and longer, and it's not even close to X-mas! (Load up the coal Mrs. Claus[owitz].)

BTW, I gots the densies today; what's FIFA? Future Insurgent Farmers of America?

E.
I had a thought (careful, synapses may fry!!) about your station as a teacher.
Perhaps if you were to teach a course in practical garden/farm management, with an eye to food production via locally obtainable resources, you might have a thoroughly rewarding experience. You could do all your own research, design your own curriculum, and charge folks for the privilege of gaining some useful knowledge. Your students would assuredly bend their focus to the subject at hand if it were to mean a chance at living.

I'm sorry you had such a foul experience with "free" public education. Dedicated teachers are hard to find, and I, for one, encourage you to continue on another pathway where respect is on a give-and-take basis. Best of luck.

That is a good point you made about the flapper, though I would also say that her appearance was a sign of liberation for women and hedonism sought by them unpon their liberation as much as it was a sign of cultural miscegenation. I had not seen a great fall-off in communication skills the last 10 years. I left UC Davis with my second masters in 2001 so have not been around young people so much since then. May I ask in what state you teach? I am in Sacramento, California. My son is in third grade and reading at the 10th grade level.

Eleuthero dribbled out: “Out of 10,247 students I've had over 22 years of public instructor, I've had SIX blacks graduate from my classes. Why don't you stick to the facts yourself and stop telling people what they are unless you know them”

Sigh. Sounds like you live in some inner-city hell spot (perhaps Baltimorgue) and, based on your limited experiences in some tiny fishbowl, are extrapolating what you see onto the whole rest of the country. You're so ghetto-y you sound like a wigger yourself, all full of hate and nonsense in equal proportions.

Why don't /you/ stick to the facts? Or at least travel some more ** so that you can get a grasp on the facts in the first place?

You're a teacher? Wow, standards are so much worse than I had heard. What are the courses that you say so few blacks pass? “How to oppress folks with darker skin 101” .. “How to recognize welfare potential from a block away 102” and stuff like that? Sounds like you need to go back to school for some moron education yourself.

** Sustainably of course. Bicycle, walk, ride the bus, take the train as discussed previously. And please do try to understand that the whole rest of the world is not the same as your hellish little corner of it is, ok? Please?

these kids are the direct consequence of the decades of welfare, corporate brainwashing (aka pop culture), breakdown of black family, breakdown of general civility in our society, self-esteem movement, etc.

Interesting list of suspects... but one seems to be missing.

Starting with President George H.W. Bush education has been changed to a business model, with the idea that charters and accountability would help reform schools.

In the business world employees making widgets are judged by their performance, so the idea was to judge teachers and schools by their performance, ignoring the fact that schools are dealing with human minds, not widgets.

So the Charter movement tried to "deregulate" public education by placing emphasis on the free-market model of competition and choice, pushing low performers back into the public school system. (Voucher proponents are some of the most rabid haters of public schooling.)

In the marketplace model the emphasis is on measuring with an exaggerated emphasis on basic skills. Measuring gets translated into an emphasis on test scores, grades, and graduation rates, as if those were the measure of education.

There were some small scale successes in the Charter movement, but when they tried to turn it into large-scale reform, there was little concern for what the effect would be on public education.

What the marketplace model does not include, because it cannot be measured, is a school's responsibility for shaping character, developing sound minds in healthy bodies (mens sana in corpore sano), and forming citizens to be participants in a democracy.

A good education is much more than bare literacy and numeracy. By using the results of tests to fire educators, hand out bonuses, and close schools, we have distorted the purpose of schooling.

A democratic vision of a well-funded public education system receives less and less attention. Used to be we intended to provide universal, free public education and that worked for generations, for millions of immigrants, and improved their lives.

Now we act like the schools are part of the marketplace, where the consumer is king ... the emphasis is on the individual consumer and not with the collective, not with communities.

The market model is not the best model to supply a service which should be distributed equally to people in every neighborhood in every city and town in the nation without regard to their ability to pay or their political power. The business model is not the best to provide police protection, fire protection, or public education.

When the most motivated students move to charter schools, that means the neediest and most difficult students are left to regular public schools. Public schools which are underfunded, and where teachers are overworked.

The move to privatize education seems to me a better explanation for the state of "education" than scapegoats like "breakdown of black family, breakdown of general civility in our society, self-esteem movement..."

Self-disclosure: I am a product of a public education system, both public K-12 and a public university.

Asoka, you never responded to my question about the role of the Black leadership earlier in this blog.
Believe me I'm no fan of Boy George Bush & Co., but the demise of the Black youth started long before him.

Treebeard, it's like this: if it's legitimate for you to designate entire groups of humans as "scum", then it makes it legitimate for me to designate YOU as scum, don't you think it's fair? And therein lies the pitfall of your worldview, you've sown the seeds of your own demise.

As to your continuous flaunting of your high IQ, this is a great illustration how some folks with high IQ can be perfect failures as human beings.

What do you say about the dismal failure of the Black leadership?

I didn't reply because I don't accept the premise contained in your question.

"I didn't reply because I don't accept the premise contained in your question."

Well, you lost your usually profuse gift of speech? Go ahead and dispute my contention. If you do not, I'll conclude that you are out of ammo.

Come on, Asoka, rather than waste your time blowing hot air here, why don't you start a movement? Why don't you get Black mothers to turn off TV and read worthy books to their kids; instead of letting their kids roam the streets, why don't you get them to take the kids to the libraries, museums, parks. What have you done to contribute to your people's advancement, other than blame others for their plight?

And Asoka, your failure to apologize to Qshtik a few weeks ago for your shameless and willful misrepresentation of his position takes you out of running as a serious commenter (IMHO)

"for your shameless and willful misrepresentation of his position takes you out of running as a serious commenter"

All the more reason not to "waste my time blowing hot air here" responding to you ... especially now that I know you do not consider me a "serious commenter"

I suppose I should also not consider all these non-black commentators to be "serious" given how facilely and offensively they ignore 500+ years of brutal white oppression, daring to compare the Black experience in which families were annihilated with that of Vietnamese immigrants who arrived here not as slaves, but as refugees fearing communist persecution, former military officers and government employees, middle class professionals and blue collar workers, most of whom had skills and were highly educated.

Vietnamese arriving in America were not tied to posts and whipped in public and sold like livestock ... Vietnamese did not have to wait 450 years to have civil rights ... Vietnamese refugees received more government assistance than Black Americans ever did, etc. etc, etc..

The very comparison of the Black Experience with the Vietnamese Experience is offensive and ignorant.

I am loving this. The PISSANT and the MISCEGANIST are having a flame war.

The answer Green Gore to the below is that the following are not cool black things to do. I was just reading that it was not considered respectable for blacks to do a lot of things that involve acting white like educating themselves, doing right by the girls and women they impregnate, going to museums, recycling, going to museums, giving blood, etc. It is cool to sell drugs, have the pants falling off the ass, get grills, drive around in cars with shiny chrome wheels with the base thumping. You get the idea.

Oh, and Asoka, you don't have the guts to start a movement. You have a gift for doing online research and highly fluent and well-spoken and have strong verbal skills, all of which makes me think you are of mixed blood. I bet you are no more than 5/8 negro. You don't have a lot of courage though which is why you will not have a large following.

The pissant said:
?Come on, Asoka, rather than waste your time blowing hot air here, why don't you start a movement? Why don't you get Black mothers to turn off TV and read worthy books to their kids; instead of letting their kids roam the streets, why don't you get them to take the kids to the libraries, museums, parks. What have you done to contribute to your people's advancement, other than blame others for their plight?"

Smarter parents produce smarter children far more often than dumber parents do. Don't fudge around with it - it's the simple truth. You could benefit from meditation - learning to watch the flow of your thoughts and feelings; in your case, your feelings about your thoughts. Your commonsense hits on the truth but then you don't like the implications of it so you start to fudge around with it. In this one short post you both affirm and deny the genetic aspect of IQ. For the record, it's well over 50%. All researchers have found this.

I know that geniuses don't usually produce geniuses. I merely state that high IQ runs in families. Genius is something more - there is an X factor to be sure. In fact, there is an element of tragedy in this area: very smart parents are destined to usually be disappointed by their children. Very smart parents will usually have smart kids, but not as smart as themselves. In genetics it's called regression to the norm. So parents with 140 IQ's might have kids with IQ's in the 120's - very high but still a big drop down. It works the other way too - dumb parents will have kids who are bit more normal than themselves. The mean for Whites is 100 of course. The mean for Afro Americans is 85. So if super smart Blacks with IQ's of 130 have kids, the drop off is right off the cliff - much more than a similar White couple becasue the Black mean is lower. That's why exclusive, upper middle class Black Suburbs have high crime rates. The kids are destined to be downwardly mobile and begin to show it very early.

What will people do all day in these huge housing projects? Take soma and "watch" feelies? Seems pretty insipid. I'm with the guy in Dostoyevsky's "Notes from the Undergound" - better the whole society gets blown to pieces than a heartless future that you describe. The heart has reasons that the head knows not of. Complete rationality is irrational. You should read Leonard Nimoy's "I am not Spock".

I'm just trying to get Liberals to examine their premises. After all they have not been rationally attained but rather prorammed into them. Can you give any real, rational reason why Whites should be turned into minorities in their own countries? Do you think its just economics - most of these countries have had double digit unemployment for years. Yet the immirants just keep on coming. We are still, STILL, getting 150,000 a month. Does that make the slightest sense? Is it not in fact, a monstrous injustice to all of us? And that mind you, is just the legals.

Whites are being turned into minorites in their own countries - Asians would never accept similar treatment, yet I'm the Hater? No, you are the dupe for not seeing it or the weirdo weakling for accepting it. And btw, Kunstler has lots of racism - against non Jewish rural Whites. You probably do to. How do you justify that, hater? Kunstler would never turn on his own people like that. Yet his liberal White readers are happy to hate their own. How sick is that? The worst kind of racism is racism against your own people.

You must be a big fan of Mayor Marion Bradley. When the police came to arrest him (either for corruption or drugs) he was smoking crack in his office. His first words were, "the bitch set me up".

It is about time. I am wondering what is driving gogreenordi. What causes you to focus your hostility the way you do? I have also been wondering why the US governement and the liberal socialists are trying to replace the white population with Mexicans and other mostly brown-skinned morons. And Asoka, I have had it with your miscegenation promotion. My lines are free of black and American indian pollution though I do have some tartar (Mongolian) blood which is alright with me because I respect the north asians. I am going to have a little (white) girl and if a negro tried to court her in front of me, ... .
I think you got the idea. Don't push it.

http://www.amren.com/ar/1994/02/index.html

“Now when the Almighty was first down with His program, He made the heavens and the earth. The earth was a fashion misfit, being so uncool and dark, but the Spirit of the Almighty came down real tough, so that He simply said, “Lighten up!’ And that light was right on time.”

“Now the serpent was one bad dude, one of the baddest of the animals the Almighty had made. And the serpent spoke to the sister and asked “You mean the Almighty told you not to eat of all the trees in the garden?’ And the sister told him, “Yeah, snake, I can eat of these trees, just not the tree of knowledge or the Almighty said I’d be knocked off’ And the bad of serpent told the sister, “Nah, sister, he’s feeding you a line of bull.”

Creation in the Language of Ebonics

"examine their premises"
"rationally obtained"

You read as if you've been studying Ayn Rand. Have you, Vlad?

This is an excellent example of EXCESS CAPACITY: you see the "money" spent or the "cost" is all imaginary, it is not based on anything, it could cost a 1,000 trillion or whatever, any amount of money can be spent on those wars and on anything else because the money is just a place holder, a symbol, an imaginary entity that is supposed to reflect some imaginary labor process. But since labor has been automated out of existence, since our technology and machines and "cheap oil - energy thanks to human ingenuity" can create any amount of automatic wealth and can manipulate reality in any possible way, no one will ever "pay" for this in terms of labor since we live in automatic economies. People pay because they get hurt, not becasue it "costs too much".

This money and accounting is all fake, does not exist. What exists is our capacity to wage wars half way across the globe, to pay thousands of people for doing essentially nothing but pretending to "fight" because we live in societies that are too rich to know what to do with themselves. Our technology has made it possible to wage a hundred wars with trillions of fighter planes and warships and billions of soldiers paid for playing around the war game, all for free.

World war one and two were the beginning of the demonstration of EXCESS CAPACITY, industrial might that is discharged through war, since all that industrial might and capacity and production does not know how to discharge its huge productivity. The housing bubble is another example of how the automatic wealth tries to discharge its EXCESS CAPACITY through building too many houses, McManisons, etc.

Two million Apple IPADS were sold in two months, a billion cell phones were sold last year, 50 million cars were sold last year, etc. etc. This means we are way too rich to know what to do with ourselves, and all of this production with only maybe 200 million factory workers worldwide. Therefore we need free salaries about 2,500 dollars a month, very cheap rents about 200 dollars a month for a three bedroom high quality house since the economy is so rich it can easily furnish it to all. And free health care, free food, and free everything, trillions of skyscrapers, trillions of cadillacs, spaceships, space exploration, etc.

We are ENTITLED to all of this and much more because the system is too rich, it is so rich it is going crazy, it is going out of its mind.
What creates poverty is CONFLICT, is people going against each other for futile reasons. Even two people represents a population explosion if they fight. And Tokyo has 20 million people in a very high density environment but they know how to behave themselves, they are disciplined, that is why they are so rich. You can sleep literally in the streets in Tokyo and no one will bother you (science fiction for the USA). Behavior and non conflict creates wealth because instead of discharging energy against each other, it is discharged against nature (the real enemy, nature has always been mans enemy since the beginning of time) to dominate it and create shared wealth for everyone.

Otherwise spend all the EXCESS CAPACITY on wars. Wars are waged and invented to discharge all the EXCESS CAPACITY (and give free salaries and money to thousands of defense companies : the military - industrial complex), not for the fairy tale reasons of Allah against Jesus.

You're obviously a very ignorant and
ill-mannered person because you make
extrapolations about who I am, where
I live, what my skills are or aren't.

Haven't you noticed that I haven't
made one unjustified extrapolation
about where you live, what you do
for a living (or how competent you
are).

Therefore, you get the same treatment
I gave Tituspullos (who appears to
have disappeared) a couple of months
ago. You do not DESERVE civilized
conversation. Therefore, you will
have to name-call and belittle others.

I'll have nothing more to do with you
and I would suggest that people like
you always have a limited lifespan
on any civilized blog.

Finally, I have received teacher of
the year TWICE at my college, I've
published two books (both of which
got five stars on Amazon and Slashdot),
and prior to teaching I was a
mathematician at SRI (the former
Stanford Research Institute).

Thus, you look pretty silly going
on as you do. Good luck with that.

E.

Careful, TBU. Confusing people with
the facts has a way of inflaming the
knee-jerk egalitarians like NUDGE on
this board.

Liberalism has been taken over by the
Orwellians so facts can only be cited
if they support utopian fantasies or
other feel-good suppositions about how
life SHOULD be instead of how it IS.

It's a shame. The Democratic Party
used to have a far greater percentage
of sound thinkers. Now, it seems like
they're all lickspittles of people like
Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

Remember the Duke Lacrosse scandal.
Jackson and Sharpton convicted those
kids in the court of public opinion
less than a day after they allegedly
raped those two black girls.

Reality is that the prosecutor was
FIRED FOR PROSECUTORIAL ABUSE. His
case was non-existent ... and so
were his ethics.

E.

Asoka said "Vietnamese arriving in America were not tied to posts and whipped in public and sold like livestock ... "

Asoka, and neither did any of the Black Americans living today, so this is a non-argument. Prior generations of Vietnamese were equally, if not more, abused by feudal overlords of various stripes, Chinese, etc. By rejecting the responsibility of the currently living Blacks for their own plight you thereby perpetuate the status quo. As someone said above, a large part of the Black culture is destructive, self and overall, and Blacks themselves are largely responsible for creating that culture (with some help from the corporate profiteers).

Like Obama, you don't have it in you to imagine the real change, Asoka. Which is very sad -- if educated and otherwise intelligent Blacks like you are stuck in the old blame whitey rut, it's hopeless. This is why dreamers like Vlad want a country without Blacks -- you're doing it to yourself, Asoka.

"Can you give any real, rational reason why Whites should be turned into minorities in their own countries?"

We should not be turned into minorities, where did you get the notion that I advocate that? In fact, I've been saying for years (elsewhere) that it would be reasonable for us to have an immigration policy which fixes the racial mix of immigrants to the current racial mix within the U.S., and furthermore only admit immigrants who will not burden the taxpayer (educated, trained, skilled, having capital, etc.) I watch with horror what Europeans have done to their countries by enabling a hostile evasion of alien cultures which now threaten their long-term viability.

Where I depart from you is that once an individual is here legally, he should not be stereotyped, pigeonholed, obstructed, discriminated (applies to whites too, obviously), and generally treated unjustly and unfairly.

And regarding your frequent references to IQ comparisons -- high IQ isn't indicative to a person's worth. Just look at Treebeard with his high IQ, he's a total waste of sperm. He's the poster child of a high IQ imbecile.

All I'm saying individuals should be judged based on their individual merits, not on the average IQ of the race they belong to. And they should not be demonized based on their ethnic group because some individuals from that ethnic group have done objectionable things (this is true of probably single ethnic group). Nothing "liberal" about this, don't you think?

Anyway, I'm curious what you think about other topics discussed on this forum, how about you get off the race thing for a while and share your thoughts on the future of our non-negotiable way of life?

"now that we have an idea what a high IQ has left us with,regarding our present local and world problems"

Excellent point, Funzel. Reminds me of the "Smartest Guys in the Room" and the Enron demise -- these were very smart cookies indeed.

I wonder if there's ever been a study that evaluated the quality of the judgement of high IQ people. My intuition is telling me that good judgement may actually be impaired by a high IQ (Treebeard is the textbook example ;D

Cash once said that his parents, not very high on the IQ scale, can survive very well on the land. Living in harmony with Nature may be the ultimate intelligence (I think someone else said this a few weeks ago). Treebeard with his hi IQ wouldn't last a day on the slopes of Everest, or in the Long Emergency, he'll piss someone off within an hour and they'll be glad to cut his rope or withhold co-operation so necessary for survival. Your prospects are really dim, Treebeard.

My comment about IQ was that, IMO, intelligence is a many faceted phenomenon and that there are facets of intelligence that IQ tests can't measure.

I used my father as an example. He has 5 years of schooling, is barely literate and would have a great deal of trouble getting through a written IQ test. As such he would probably score very low.

But my father has the ability to get through problems I would not be able to solve despite my many years of schooling and high IQ scores. If you throw him naked into a forest with no hope of rescue he would survive. He would not only survive, he would flourish. He is crafty, creative, insightful, stubborn, persistent and sees solutions to problems in the physical environment that I am blind to. He makes objects and materials do his bidding.

In contrast, give me something simple like a hammer and nail and I would succeed in hammering my nuts to my knees. If you threw me naked into a forest I would be dinner for turkey vultures. Never mind my high IQ, I wouldn't survive three days. I don't think you can measure the type of intelligence exhibited by my father in an IQ test.

I watch with horror what Europeans have done to their countries by enabling a hostile evasion of alien cultures which now threaten their long-term viability.
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I know you're all pretty tired of me posting corrections because, as my kids tell me, internet blogs, not to mention phone texting, are supposed to be areas where you are not held to any old fuddy-duddy standards of written communication like spelling, grammar and punctuation ... where you can just pound away on the keyboard and hit SUBMIT without proofing, so instead of me just pointing out some error (like "it's than not then you dumb fuck" or "there is no such word as irregardless Vlad") in a post, how 'bout we make a game of it?

The first person who replys back to this post identifying the incorrect word in the excerpt at the top gets an all expense paid trip to the Greystone Asylum to visit EightM and chat with the psychiatrists treating him. In exchange for this valuable prize we would expect the winner to report back and tell us about the institution, what 8M looks like and about the other patients there who I imagine are sitting around smeared with their own excrement, rocking back and forth and making odd noises.

So who's up for it?

What is the incorrect word?

eNvasion of course, but I give my award of a Greystone trip to Treebeard (he may actually be there as well :D

It's not a misspeling or the wrong word, it's mistyping. I never had any keyboard instruction, and I type with two fingers, considering which I do extremely well ;D

OMG, it WAS a misspelling. I'm humbled.

I agree with you, if you let racism go unchallenged you end up in places you won't like ie holocausts, slavery, pogroms etc. Better to have it out in the open where you can respond to it regardless of forum. I think that the coming melt down is going to have a lot of different aspects to it, technological, economic, social.

Society will reconstruct itself in some form or other, the question is on what basis. If it were up to Vlad he would do it on the basis of skin colour. Personally I rant a lot about culture. I don't care about race in the slightest but I care about values, how we treat each other, how we interact.

I think that human behaviour is highly elastic ie look at how US society changed between 1945 and 1970. In 1945 the Greatest Generation just finished off Naziism, Fascism and Japanese militarism. But by 1970 we had been through Haight Ashbury, the Summer of Love, the Monterey Pop Festival, the huge communal mud bath of Woodstock, huge race riots, the anti war movement. And Jimmy and Janis were dead, may they rest in peace. Who in 1945 could have guessed all this? Was this even the same country?

Well put, Cash. In the Long Emergency, we may be threatened by our own race, I just read this post in one of the forums:

"Back in 2003 when hurricane Isabel tore up central Virginia, we were without power (other than our small generator) for almost two weeks, and had to run off people, many times at gunpoint, who were attempting to steal our food and our generator. One fellow killed one of our goats inside our barn. I held a handgun on him until the police arrived, one and a half hours later. Funny thing is, if he would've asked we would've gladly shared with him.

Sure, we all like to think the best of our fellow man, but the truth is that there are folks who are not our race's best representatives, and we need to protect ourselves from them. Remember that in extreme situations the police, National Guard, etc. are very busy too, and cannot always drop what they are doing and come to our aid. In these situations, we are our own "first responders". To think otherwise and still consider yourself to be "self reliant" is self-deluding."

Like Cash, I prefer to be around people who share my values and culture, irregardless of their skin color. Hey Qshtick, notice anything wrong in the last sentence? This was a small gift for you, irrespective of your mood today :D

Q, I don't think I want the prize but the "e" s/b "in" -- fairly obvious, n'est pas?
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OK .. quiet please .. we have a winner .. WE HAVE A WINNER! Lara's Dad has correctly identified the incorrect word but, inexplicably, does not want the prize. How he could have so little curiosity about 8M is beyond my understanding. Anyway, thank you Lara's Dad for participating.

Asoka,you're right, what black people endured is beyond words. Pure monstrous evil both before and after so called emancipation.

But let's not just crap on American whites for evils perpetrated on African blacks.

I read in a book (I think by Jared Diamond) that between the 800s AD and the 1800s AD 18 million slaves were taken from sub saharan Africa.

The book said that six million of those people were enslaved in north Africa and the middle east and 12 million were taken to various places in the New World including but not only the American Colonies and later the United States.

There's a lot of atoning to do out there by non Americans over slavery and I'm not hearing or seeing any. Neither am I seeing any blame pointed at them. Maybe it's time to start. After all, they are in no way shape or form morally inferior to Americans and they should be held to account for what happened also.

Maybe I wasn't listening or maybe I missed it but I can't remember hearing even once a north African, Middle Eastern or Latin American leader saying in public what a monstrous injustice was perpetrated by their ancestors on black people.

African societies were wrecked by the slave trade and a lot of people had a hand in it and it wasn't just Americans.

eNvasion of course
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Oh WOW! This is precious.

Wage, I'm not getting any sound from the video. What am I doing wrong?

OMG, it WAS a misspelling. I'm humbled.
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No, Go, you do not get off the hook so easily. It was NOT a misspelling just as it was NOT a typo as you first said. Apparently the fact is you don't know the difference between e-vade, in-vade en-vade or any other vade.

But this is all neither here nor there ... did you hear that there was this big accident down in the Gulf where a drilling rig blew up and now there's all this oil spewing into the water? ;D

I don't know, Cash, it just started playing for me.

Try this one-

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=11841117