Marching Toward Zombieland


     When sober-minded individuals begin to regard an enterprise within a nation as "an enemy of the people" you can bet that some serious blood is going to flow.  This is now essentially the situation for the Goldman Sachs company, which last week announced third-quarter earnings of over $3 billion largely derived from converting zero percent loans from taxpayers into zero risk profits off of anything paying more than zero percent in interest, revenue, or dividends.
     The "people" across this big country may not have a clue how any of this is done, and there may be much to fault them on from the care-and-feeding of their own bodies to the content of their dreams, but you can't argue with the fact that they are heavily armed to an extreme. And although it may be hard to measure with precision, one might venture to state that they are increasingly pissed off. How else explain popular entertainments like "Zombieland?"
     The political part of what has to date appeared to be an economic problem is resolving into a crisis of authority and legitimacy.  When those in charge of a nation's livelihood prove to be comprehensively false and dishonest, the economic automatically turns political. Nobody believes the bankers anymore, of course, and nobody believes the interlocutors of the bankers - the Federal Reserve chairman, the Secretary of the Treasury, the heads of the SEC and a dozen other regulatory bodies - and increasingly the charming figure in the White House cannot be believed on these issues of the nation's livelihood.
     The questions lately revolve around whether the nation is destroying itself by inflation or deflation - by the willful destruction of the value of our currency to evade the repayment of debt, or by the hapless destruction of households, companies, and governments by default and bankruptcy.  It's a fire-or-ice debate. Either way the nation is going down as a viable enterprise. The fiction that we can return to a Crate-and-Barrel credit card orgy has sustained the false of heart and mind for some months now, but even that pleasant reverie will come to an end as the foreclosures mount.  Only remember, men living in their cars who have lost nearly everything else will still have guns.
      All these tensions beat a path into the holiday season when emotions run high, when blessings are counted and sorrows taste most bitter. So the big question now floating above the sheer data of Goldman Sachs profit announcement is: what kind of year-end bonuses will they dare to pay their executives and minions, and how will the "people" react? It seems to me that conditions are ripening for a bloodbath. The kind of heinous acts that we have feared emanating from foreign "evildoers" since the awful stunt of 9/11/01 are now most likely to come from among our own "people" - a few pounds of Semtex in the lobby of Goldman Sachs's New York headquarters... a few men with market-grade small arms converted to full-automatic outside on the Wall Street sidewalk one evening at holiday time when the suits are leaving work for the day.... It won't take much.
     President Obama had better strike first. He's about the only figure left in the whole termite mound who has a shred of even potential credibility left because he still has the power to act.  He can instruct the people who work for the executive branch to "claw back" any and all ill-gotten bank bonuses; he can direct the Justice Department to investigate everything from the uses of federal bailouts to grand-scale accounting fraud; he can fire people in high places who have failed to act and lost legitimacy. If he doesn't do these things soon then he's finished, too. In the wake of such a failure things will get fractal fast.
     The sense that Wall Street has pulled off a coup d'etat and taken over the machinery of the United States is the most powerful meme out there now, and its power is growing in magnitude every day among all classes of Americans.  I can't say how much it reflects reality.  Even if it is a result of sheer happenstance - the tragic evolution of an industrial economy into a financial finagling economy - the citizens will still experience it as a stealing of their future.  Whatever else one might say about American culture, it is keenly attuned to a sense of heroes and villains.  We take great pride in our ability to blow away the bad guys. And life imitates art, as Oscar Wilde observed.  If a zombie virus is on the loose in America, the first infections showed up in the zombie banks, among the zombie bankers. Watch out, Lloyd Blankfein!  Woody is on his way....
     
     

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As the old adage goes "You ain't seen nothin' yet!". In about five years from now, that's when things get really dicey. I think the acronym for this is "WTSHTF". That's when the first big tsunami wave of Peak Oil hits the world and gasoline and food become hyper-expensive, scarce, rationed and ultimately unavailable in many parts of the country and large parts of the world.

In lockstep with Peak Oil will be the water shortages as the first big wave of climate change/ecological collapse takes hold.


I think JHK gives the people too much credit, especially the heavily-armed. Most of these nutjobs would sooner shoot up a preschool or a church after a series of personal failures set against a backdrop of permanent economic decline. These types would sooner go out in a blaze of unfocused glory against anyone they perceive as competition for their unemployment check, anyone racially funny looking, or anyone who may have crossed them randomly or in their personal affairs. Look for increasingly aggressive public behavior, road rage, boiling right wing talk radio rhetoric, and ammo hoarding. The real mayhem will start when the government checks stop showing up in people's mailboxes if they still have them. When the meds run out and the frozen food aisle discount diet finally sets them off in hoardes, the government will have already set up the FEMA camps and gotten the checks out to the contract riot cops.

Jim is awfully prophetic this week. I hope - as I'm sure he does too - that his worst fears will not materialize. Still, though, a bit of mayhem on Wall Street would show some life. Personally, I think they - the wall street crowd - deserve to be the objects of retribution.
I guess time will tell.

but Jim, free enterprise is the cornerstone of our democracy. we can't let obama take away our freedoms (ie: our "right" to buy crap) with his radical socialist agenda. goldman sach's employees deserve those bonuses for pulling themselves up by their boot straps. i may wake up a billionaire tomorrow i don't want my pipe dreams of wealth redistributed to welfare queens and illegal aliens!

You're getting closer, Jim. Pretty soon it may dawn on you how massive government intervention in the free market distorts and corrupts those markets. It's an old story, going all the way back to the South Seas Bubble in early 1700s Britain.

The tyranny of government always leads to poverty and ruin, like night follows day. Those of us who understand this at least know how to protect our assets. More at www.thenothingstore.com

Jim is correct in his prophesy:

It seems to me that conditions are ripening for a bloodbath. The kind of heinous acts that we have feared emanating from foreign "evildoers" since the awful stunt of 9/11/01 are now most likely to come from among our own "people"....

Yes indeed. The founding fathers warned that the country would have both foreign and domestic enemies. The domestic enemies now infest the entire financial system as well as the government of the United States of America.

- a few pounds of Semtex in the lobby of Goldman Sachs's New York headquarters... a few men with market-grade small arms converted to full-automatic outside on the Wall Street sidewalk one evening at holiday time when the suits are leaving work for the day.... It won't take much.

Exactly. The criminal bankers have now totally destroyed the US economic system and their services are no longer needed. They will be thrown to the wolves and their millions of dollars worth of salary, bonuses and golden parachutes will be confiscated. However, the citizen revolt will begin and end on Wall Street. The Patriot Act and martial law will be combined to lock down the entire country into a permanent police state.

And when that first angry citizen "looses it" the celebrity media will be right there to make him or her famous... and the whole cycle will feed on it's self.

There are other distractions in media land this week to take the attention off the bonuses... Like "balloon boy", be angry at his parents....not Wall Street..... after all they manipulated the news..... At least that's the way CNN will report it...
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The "gun toting" who might react actually worship the robber barrons as heroes...not likely to strike the right targets but, certainly likely to start shooting soon...hopefully the explosives will wait a few years.

Sadly, they won't try the ballot box...only a small percentage are active in politics and cast intelligent votes!

Be careful with those incitements to riot, which are getting unduly detailed. Earlier you were talking about burning the Hamptons.

Add that to the epidemic of crytal meth and you have a truly god awful powder keg. There is no drug that I know of that makes you feel more evil than crytal meth, and the longer you do it the more evil it makes you feel becasue you are doing serious irreperable damage to your nervous system.The Nazis found this out the hard way when Joseph Stalin made them remember that no matter how high you are it still really sucks to be really cold. In fact it's down right lethal. I saw this show that determined the average russian was 15 degrees warmer becasue of his clothes than the average german at Stalingrad. That was the myth of the Nazi Superman. Crytal meth and you could fight for days straight, when your enemies would be hallucinating from fatigue you would still be going strong. Until Stalingrad.

It's gonna be interesting to see how this meme spreads. This is dangerous territory. A guy predicts a bomb is gonna blow up in the lobby of the Goldman Sachs building - and then a bomb blows up in the lobby of the Goldman Sachs building. Who's legally culpable?

Somtimes you pay a price for being the smartest guy in the room.

I'm sure Obama reads Clusterfucknation.com first thing every Monday morning, so he's probably mulling how to take Jim's advice at this very moment.

At the pace he mulls, though, it may be too late.

Maybe he should send Keifer Sutherland out to Troy, New York and find out what Jim knows.

The problem has been that for at least a generation we bought into the bullshit coming from Wall Street and the business world in general it's in our economic interest to offshore our industries to third world crapholes and make our living selling each other houses and stocks and bonds. That dog of a business model don't hunt, never did, never will except for the thieves and buillshit artists in the securities and real estate industries. Now we see the results of our own idiocy and the thievery of our managerial class. As for anybody rising up in arms, there's no chance. We are drug addled, obese, docile ninnies. We've lost the capacity to think let alone act. Maybe there'll be isolated eruptions of violence but nothing organized or effective.

Check out the video link at this site. It is Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur with Simon Johnson, the former Chief Economist at the International Monetary Fund on Bill Moyers on PBS.

"The interview with Bill Moyers is an early sign that people are shifting their attitudes significantly. Kaptur does not look like or sound like some radical nutcase, yet she presents a compelling case of a Financial Coup D'Etat.

Two years ago people would have laughed at the idea. Not today."

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/10/financial-coup-detat-and-reaction-of.html

Well, in his latest movie Capitalism - A Love Story Michael Moore has given his viewers a brilliantly clear script of exactly how Wall Street has engineered the takeover of our government. The painful details are there, and they are not pretty.

I hope at least 50 million Americans watch this movie. Anyone who can watch it and not seethe with anger is already dead -- a zombie.

At the very end of the movie, Moore poignantly says this will likely be his last movie, because not a particle of real change has resulted from all his other movies. We just watch them, maybe laugh, then leave the theater and go on with our business as usual.

Maybe we are all zombies. But Michael spends a lot of energy making these films which could function as a catalyst for real transformation. He tells us in a somber voice that he just can't keep on with it if all we do is watch and then roll over and act dead.

To say Obama is about the only guy left with a smattering of credibility is pure fucking folly. The President is the chief race baiter in the country. He's even getting tattooed by Farrakhan these days. Like, his agenda is the country, not the people of color's....people of color are awakening to the fact Obama is full of lies and corruption. Don't think for one second that Obama can be the only pure one in the administration. This bunch of Chicago thugs is part of the melange of socialistic rot. People who voted Democratic are looking for some sort of end game to assuage the fact they voted for the Idiot and his Gang. How do we take pride in our idiot Secy. of State, sniper fire and all? Chris Dodd raising money like hell for his reelection gig.....all from out of state. We Nutmeggers won't give this carpetbagger one thin dime,we know his act only too well.
We are in deep shit, folks. As for Goldman Sachs, it appears little Timmie Geithner didn't know about the ramifications of giving GS zero percent loans??? Small businesses gird this country, did they get zero percent loans? Bonuses for GS employees? My o' my, won't this be an interesting holiday season? Let Obama explain all this to Americans now. Jim blew it this week in one sentence espousing the partial credibility of Obama. Everybody love the Dunn statements? We all knew they were juggling the media, probably fellating them, too. Yet, Glenn Beck is a Nazi, the devil incarnate.....you gotta be kidding.
Rubber boots should be requisitioned to every American taxpayer, it's gonna get deep and dirty very soon.

How can you believe (or even hope) that Obama will take the lead on economic populism or reform? You are dreaming if you think it is going to happen. Just how many more data points do you need before you are able to conclude that Obama is "one of them"?

Obama was the largest recipient in history of Fannie/Freddie contributions. The Goldman PAC and execs gave him $1m in 2008. He chose to surround himself with the corrupt architects of the financial mess as his key advisers.

This guy is totally bought and paid for. He is committed to bringing back the good old days one last time, so his benefactors can fleece the public of its retirement accounts one last time before they head off to their private islands on their private jets (which won't be so pretty places without oil).

The empire is bankrupt. Soon it will be obvious that the emperor has no clothes.

+1 cheesemoose, LOL. though I am not sure that you are entirely right to be so facetious about Obama reading CFN. If not him then certainly someone in government would keep tabs on this ex-Rolling Stone columnist. That being the case it behooves JHK to be clear next time that his intentions are cautionary, that his polemic on the present dangers is intended to prod the leadership into action to head off disaster, not somehow goad the crazies into taking to the streets.

It's clear to us long-time readers, but not everyone has read the JHK back catalogue.

Government law enforcement officials have been known to be one-eyed when they have someone in their sights.

Another thing. Jim says Obama should get all hands on deck to root out the corruption.....they themselves.....caused. What the hell is this double entendre crappola?? Obama should step down as President and/or fire his goddam crew of incompetents who put these laws into existence dealing with bankers as a whole. Obama, being the only one left with credibility, should clean house, then we can worry about cleaning him. The Captain must go down with his ship. He chose 'em, he can shitcan 'em. Right, Jim? Then we can shitcan him.

Perhaps you are aware that Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur appears in Michael Moore’s latest, “Capitalism - A Love Story”. In it she makes the claim that she made with Moyers and that Jim repeats this morning. That “Wall Street has pulled off a coup d'etat and taken over the machinery of the United States”. I recommend the movie.

When the people who create a problem are in power, do not expect them to fix the problem. In our present situation, the religious faith in Keynesian economics precludes any sort of proper decisions.

And if the bombing and shooting happened, the only response from TPTB would be to call for more gun control laws. The reason for the bombing and shooting is beyond their powers of comprehension.

'Rat

Also, I meant to say in my earlier comment that at that point, five years from now, that the focus will have shifted from Wall Street banker's bonuses and what the White House and Fox News thinks to sheer survival.

It would be really, really nice about now if the population could wake up from their zombie sleepwalking, partisan politics and flying saucer balloon stunts and start thinking very seriously and acting very seriously toward mitigating the worse effects of the coming energy and ecological crisis.

Electrified passenger rail service, localized farming, sustainable communities....hello?

Why did we bailout Goldman Sachs? So they could continue their trading operations? I thought we were saving the banks so that they could loan money and get the economy going again. We need to bring back Glass-Steagall. Make the banks conform to the Glass-Steagall rules. Don't change Glass-Steagall.

When Goldman-Sachs starts paying huge bonuses, people are going to be very angry again. And rightly so. These derivative traders have an awfully high, undeserved opinion of themselves. When are we going to start investigating some of these people and punish them? Is Bernie Madoff the only guy we are going to catch?

This is why people don't trust their own government. This is either incompetence or stupidity. Or both.

http://teddersrandomnotes.com/blog

I should also add that an Iran engulfed in flames on an exurban 56" big screen LCD will quell any potential unrest and make some feel better. A guy can sit in his La-Z-Boy surrounded by stacks of ammo and repo letters, knowing his true masters won't foreclose on him so they can keep the numbers off the books just one more quarter. Meanwhile his kids are out scavenging their neighbors' aluminum gutters and mom's cooking a fresh batch of meth in the basement and there's another check due any day now....

"...after all they manipulated the news..."

spot on, they're even talking about taking their kids away from them.

JHK made me think of this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGDo1Jybs_I

The plantation owners and their governmental slave masters will control the population of uppity slaves. Too many guns? Where's the control point? Ammo manufacturers.

What is the definition of a slave? You work their fields and they milk your productivity through interest and taxes and leave you just enough to live on. Soon, when Peak Oil effects kick in you'll be living in a dormitory next to the factory (plantation) you work, if you're lucky. You will own nothing. You will have no future.

By the way, have you checked your credit score (slave good conduct score) lately? Now get out there and hoe a few more rows for the master.

Jim, I'm tired of reading your repeated bullshit about the people grabbing their guns and playing "Halo" inside Wall St. You've been droning on and on about it for a couple years now, and much like your dow predictions (and oil predicitons, and political predictions, etc...), they've all turned out to be false. No wonder the New York Times told you to go fuck yourself. Your bitter rejection of this fact is evident in each and every comment you make regarding the quality writers who write about things that, ultimately, prove to be accurate.

Scum Hall:


Just because you see ordinary Americans as some grotesque right-wing stereotype dreamed up by ivory tower media whack jobs, who by the way are close buddies with the Goldman Sachs crowd, doesn't make it so.

"No wonder the New York Times told you to go fuck yourself."


For someone to be told to go fuck themselves by the New York Times is a badge of honor.

Reverend Slappy, if you're so tired of Jim's postings, and don't believe a word he says, why the hell do you bother to go to his website first thing on Monday morning to read them? Just so you can complain about them in comments section??

Here is my prediction... No one is going to anything... the powers that be will continue their plunder and we will all sit back, relax and continue to take this reaming with no lube... and we'll all be bitching about this failed economy 2 years hence...

Draffen,
Good points, but [as per usual] "the folks" will not awaken until the desperation of hunger and fear of the IMMEDIATE future has them firmly by the throat. We will definitely see some feces flying when people watch their children starving, while others feast. It's the way it ever was.

All the rest of the "distractions", as you say, will be meaningless. (As well as the "distractors"; we see quite a few of them right here in these postings. Right wing fantasies of the corporate/military/christian-cracker state have come to pass and are blossoming into full fruit. ...And now they don't like "them apples"? Too f'ing bad.)

Reality check. Y'all act like this is the first time the little guys have been ripped off in USA history. Some of you might remember 1979 to 1981.

* Prices increased 40% in just three years, from 1979 to 1981. Every trip to the grocery store, it seemed, resulted in a bigger bill.

* The prime rate, currently 6.75%, peaked at 21.5% in December 1980. Borrowing became prohibitively expensive as the Fed tried to break inflation's back.

* Fixed-rate mortgages, currently hovering around 6%, averaged 17.5% in 1982. That means the payment on a $200,000 mortgage back then was $2,933 --compared to less than $1,200 at today's rates.

I don't recall any talk of blowing things up or arming yourself for revolution back then. In fact, I remember talk of a "Reagan revolution" that was going to fix everything.

Obama has consistently had a higher job approval rating than Reagan had.

What is different this time around? Hmmmm....

CORRECTION:

The prime rate, currently 3.25%, peaked at 21.5% in December 1980. Borrowing became prohibitively expensive as the Fed tried to break inflation's back.

As the media dutifully ignores the Goldman greed please direct you anger at the parents of "Balloon Boy"...... At least that's how our celebrity driven media will spin it.....

http://www.suburbanempire.com

Weeellllll, I don't need to give Michael Moore or any of the movie distribution middlemen any of my precious treasure to know what the hell is going on. It is called paying attention and NOT relying on the main stream propaganda outlets for information.

Furthermore CFN is just one, albeit one of the more entertaining, of the many sources both domestic and foreign that I refer to for What's Happenin' Now.

Don't go what is normally an entertainment venue and fork over a wad a fiat currency, plop your ass in some swank reclining stadium seating, flanked by your ice cold refreshing high-fructose corn syrup beverage and tub of buttered popcorn and expect to be enlightened in any real sense. Please.

No, for that you have to read. You CAN read can't you? Further enlightenment is usually brought on via intelligent discourse, preferrably live. Surely you remember how to do that.

As for the gu-gu-gun-toting masses, masses, well of course there is always the possibility that they might get all worked up. And even if they do, and in large numbers, it too will be just another distraction. While "the people [grab]their guns and [play] 'Halo' inside Wall St." and keep the jackboots busy, the real pest control can begin.

Jimmy you may allergic to conspiracies, but the world turns on them. You just gotta know how to play'em. Play'em.

"We take great pride in our ability to blow away the bad guys."

Yes, but *everyone* believes that they are the good guys. Every one of us believes we are the hero of the story; that of course includes the Wall Street financiers.

Wall Streeters don't think they are evil, and probably will think the outraged mobs with pitchforks and torches descending on Manhattan are just looney hicks who should be rounded up for the public safety.

Things descend into violence because *all* sides believe they are right. It's only in fiction that the arch-villain goes bwahahahaha and names his organization the Evil Guys Doing Evil.

The other problem that makes otherwise decent people perform acts that harm their fellow citizens is the compartmentalization inherent in bureaucracy. No one knew this principle better than the Nazis (had to bring them in, everyone does).

So if you have a nasty job you want done, break it down into dozens of smaller jobs. For example, one soldier reads a list, another soldier herds people onto a train, another person fuels the train, another drives it, yet another sets the destination, etc., and pretty soon a bunch of innocent people are in a concentration camp. And yet in actuality there were really only a few psychopaths at the top setting policy.

What perhaps has failed in America is policy oversight and regulation. Low men always seek high places, it's their nature. Low men are also inherently destructive. Arresting them after they start wrecking everything, that's what seems to have stopped happening.

There are a lot of people who think that Tim McVeigh did only one thing wrong - he chose a building that housed a daycare center. If that building had been full of only Feds (or only bankers) and no babies McVeigh would be a hero to a lot more people than he already is. I saw a bumper sticker yesterday that read 'Kill the rich and burn their banks', so Jim's apocalypse is already beginning. I've wondered how long peope would walk away from their foreclosed homes silently weeping and doing nothing to those who have just screwed their family. Of course Wall Street is a long way away for most people so those few pounds of Semtex are far more likely to wind up in the lobby of your local mortgage company than in the NY lobby of Goldman - at least at first. Let's not forget that at any given time in this country hundreds of thousands of people are dying and once they figure out that they have nothing to lose I can see at least some of them becoming suicide bombers - after all, why not make your death count for something. Maybe thats when those few pounds of Semtex wind up in the lobby of Goldman, at the West Palm Beach country club, and in the lobby of the Federal reserve of Dallas - not to mention Capitol Hill. The only question is going to be which target to choose - there are so many deserving ones. Decisions, decisions.

Jim,

Don't you think you're going a bit far in your imagination and detailed descriptions of heinous acts? Sure, these possibilities do exists as the masses become ever more frustrated when they/we hear about Goldman and AIG dishing out huge bonuses to the same types who've brought the world financial system to its knees, and help to kill the US economy. However, don't you think you're adding gasoline to the fire when you choreograph these bloody scenes on Wall Street? You might as well just go ahead and provide the floor, cubicle, office numbers, and detailed maps, floor by floor to the gun toting crazies so they can more easily hunt out the executives and key individuals associated with this financial mess!

Most every gun owner I know isn't going to attack anyone-- they will use them to DEFEND their own ample food supplies from the wandering hordes. Then they will subsidize their home grown produce by shooting themselves some side meat. They WILL gather together to DEFEND their community from any unconstitutional force that attempts to impose martial law in the name of "homeland security". And guess what? That's WHY that amendment was drafted-- to allow the citizenry to protect themselves from militant government.

lsjogren and 'Rat - +1

however...

empire - +1

Rev, I think Jim is just putting into words what is probably a fantasy of more than a few Americans right about now.

I marvel at the consistent delusion of Kunstler that begrieved citizens will - correctly - target Wall Street instead of phantom evidoers like ACORN, the ACLU, Planned Parenthood or some stray census worker. Have Tea Baggers been marching on the Hamptons? No. Have Birthers denounced Goldman Sachs? George Soros, maybe.

The rage that's building out there is entirely misdirected. Really, this has been a stroke of genius on part of the right-wing noise machine. The very people who turned this nation into a plutocracy have convinced the losers that rich people are on their side while liberals are parasites who want to take away their Medicare.

So, one last time: the violence that MAY be coming will not target Wall Street. Obama is the more likely scapegoat but his loss will probably be political. Whether that's well-deserved is a debatable issue but even that will involve a mostly false bogeyman like socialism.

Government interventions of any kind are the wrong way to address the problems. What we need is for the government to completely take their hands off of the "controls" and let the system find its own equilibrium. Telling the likes of GS or Citi or JPM that they cannot have the bonuses and toys they "earned" creates resentment and the "clever" little creeps just figure a work-around. But if the Fed slammed shut the lending windows and raised its overnite rate to 0.25 percent, as well as refuse to pay any interest for securities held by them, then you would have a real picture of just how profitable any of the Wall Street holograms really are. The question would quickly resolve itself and we would be treated to the mother of all fireworks displays as they went down for the count.

Got popcorn?... and gold?

Neil Lori maverick17761784@yahoo.com

Goldman Sachs is the enemy of the American people. Obama is their agent/puppett. He was selected to run for US senate by former Goldman Sachs CEO and now NJ Gov. Corzine.

Obama is of, by and for the big corporations.

Jim Kunstler is correct. We are approaching pitchfork plus tar and feather time in the near future.

Our wealth is concentrated in far too hands.

Neil Lori Oct. 2009

I have to agree with Walt. The American people are far too...ignorant, insular, and ethnocentric to go after the bankers or Goldman Sachs.

They tend to blame all their failings on the poor and downtrodden and will happily go after them.

Obama is a puppet and will probably be a convenient fall guy if it comes to that.

What Mr Obama could do...

Acknowledge that the free market has its good points. Accept that it has its bad points too. Apply a one off windfall tax on the profits and bonuses of investment banks; 75% (the ones in profit anyway). Take the money and invest in healthcare of all the folks. Promise the banks that if they learn the lesson you'll leave them be in future

The high inflation metioned above occurred during the Carter tenure, having begun as a result of Big Lyndon's guns'n'butter policy. Volcker's jump in the Fed rate came in 1979, and inflation went way down in rather quick fashion. Reagan's tenure began in 1981--by which time inflation was almost a dead issue. The stagnation in the economy continued until the tax cuts finally kicked in, in 1983. I recall full well, since my Nixon- and Carter-era penny-ante entrepreneurial hustlings were less remunerative and I actually had to get back to some form of honest work. :-)

Law-abiding gun owners--the vast majority--do not initiate action. They're reactive by nature. And, FWIW, in thirty years of having tables at gunshows, I never got a hot check. (My first Daisy Red Ryder came to me Christmas of 1941. I started handloading for my '06 in 1950. Rode with cops. Competed in IPSC. Been around guns and gun people for a fair while, now. I don't need some Willie-off-the-pickle-boat yapping nonsense about guns and gun folks.)

Anyhow, what I think I see happening is that courtesy of the Internet, more and more people are coming to realize the specifics of the wrong direction our glorious leaders are going with their monetary policies. I think that awareness will show up bigtime in the next elections. The ballot box, not the cartridge box.

Looking on down the road, the social impacts from our lack of any rational energy policy is probably gonna create more excitement than Goldmann Sacks. And Jim has been spot-on in his summary about the energy future.

Interesting times, for sure...

'Rat

Acorn was stopped before it grew into a tree. A Victory for real Americans. You can't tell the difference between real conservatives and "right wingers" and NeoCon Republicans. Well just because you can't-or don't want to-doesn't mean we can't. All Liberals are part of the corrupt State, but only the fake conservatives. Needless to say, virtually the whole Republican Party is fake-just serving the Banks. And Socialism in this country has embraced the banking structrue already in place. That's why the rich Democrats love American Socialism-it freezes the status quo keeping them on top with their money intact. And that's one reason they focus so much on race-to divert attention from the class structure. The Barbara Streisands and Robert Redfords will never renounce Obama-he's keeping them in the money and letting them feel good about it.

Yes, SuburbanEmpire, that's how it is, Big Brother is always manipulating the news, rewriting history, cranking out whatever set of lies the Ministry of Truth wants us to hear....

I hope somebody in the Administration is reading JHK these days; if his good advice and counsel are ignored about putting the financial elites in their place by some hard-nosed, no-nonsense regulation and ceasing their ability to rape the Treasury for their obscene gains, this will be the real 'Waterloo' of his 1st term and there won't likely be a 2nd term, either.

Good column JHK and good comments. I just read Krugman's latest at www.nytimes.com. It's decent, but Krugman can't totally give up the cheerleader thing, which annoys me.

There's some interesting comments there. This one in particular was interesting and ties into what JHK is talking about:

"This past year has made me so terribly cynical, so doubtful and angry over the American political and financial system, that despite all the suffering it will cause, I actually find myself hoping from time to time that everything does fall apart, and we really do sink into true depression, just for a chance that I might meet a Goldman banker in a bread line somewhere."

People are waking up.

In a high level Corporate/Goverment meeting Paul Volcker said the wages of the American Worker must fall...Greenspawn felt the same way. They have been plotting against us for a long time. A first world nation cannot compete against third world coolie labor-unless it becomes third world as well, hence the last fourty years of massive immigration, both legal and illegal, insourcing, outsourcing, and offshoring. The Tariff is the instrument the builds and maintains nations. Europe and Japan use it against us-but our contolled media and the Court Economists have given it a bad name.

Sweet-hey-suse,


Jimmie's shorts are in a knot because Goldman is paying out 3 bil in boni? Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, he he he he heeeee.

You have got to be fucking shitting me. Obama took over the auto business, the banks, is running the money printing presses 24/7 and has indebted us to the tune of trillions. And this is before the bill from healthcare has been tallied. 3 billion dollars will just about build a bridge to Uranus, Jimmie. I suggest you cross that bridge. On the other side you will find your head.

Zzzzzzzzzzzz...

Take the Goldman schlong out of your mouth and put your inflated 401k statement down.

It's possible to be angry at both the out-of-control printing presses AND Goldman's bullshit profits.

According to the latest report from the Comptroller of the Currency, Goldman has $48 trillion -- yes trillion -- in off-balance sheet toxic derivatives.

Therefore, when they claim to be making a profit -- which justifies paying huge bonuses -- they are full of shit.

They are the ones who are ordering the printing presses to run.

People didn't seem to be bothered when they heard the new way was the service economy. People devoid of knowledge regarding our economic history were OK with it. After all, some people were only qualified to flip burgers and pour soda pop. Others would do the brain work.
Now, perhaps it's time to rethink the education process. Perhaps selection exams should be done at age 8 and dimwits should be placed in job training they can comprehend and perform up to their IQ level. The notion of a college degree for everybody is patently stupid and incredibly wasteful of money and other resources. If our economy is to be service oriented, now is the time to separate wheat from chaff.
If, indeed, we are headed toward second or third class status, so is everybody else. Once we get used to the simple pleasures again without the Hawaii vacations, we'll be OK. Gardens and sitting on the front porch will once again reign supreme.
I think Obama realizes we are future dead meat. Trouble is, he's rushing us to the point where we are all forced to do things we've always done thanks to the Constitution but now cannot do same. Wishing Obama well? I think he's a total idiot who will ruin the country. Where's the idiot Barbra Streisand, Sean Penn, etc? Are they happy as a pig in slop now? Or, are they putting their money out of the country? It's great to be a Commie if you can be the Commissar. Otherwise, it's Gulag-City, bro.
Reading the horrific comments against Jim's ethnic background makes me realize there will always be a few fuckheads in the audience who will spoil the party. Fuck them.

Too ethnocentric to go after good Anglo Saxons like the Goldmans, Sachs, Baggins's and Underfeet? Oh sure you're right, Lassie! Or Laddie or Lady. We're all just Hobbits here. Tolkien based Hobbits on the English Working Class. They were so small minded yet they possesed great virutes-unknown even to themselves-particularly to themselves. They've always been great cannon fodder. Their reward? To be replaced by South Asians. The Elite of Britain, Europe, and America share the same quality: they are devoid of all loyalty to their own People.

Ballyhoo aside, even Balloon Boy wont be able to pilot this flying saucer. They train them real good to be able to respond to a call on its own level. Another good one: the woman was screaming to bring police with guns-her chimp was tearing off her friends face. The police responder calmly replied, "OK, what's the monkey doing"? I want a helium flying saucer too. Bonzo did go to college and wishes he didn't. Ronald Reagan wasn't CFR but his whole cabinet was. Boy did they make a monkey's uncle out of him. Conservatives are going to have to get a lot tougher if they want to beat these people-the first step is to be willing to talk about forbidden subjects. Who forbade them? That's right, the people in power. We are making progress already.

Love the Crate and Barrel orgy image. **priceless**

I sold my (CASH PAID!) very first (and last) luxury car after only owning a mere seven months PRECISELY because I was afraid of being targeted by desperate folks at loose ends.

It isn't "fair" that I felt I had to act defensively,but then again, as my dad always said, "What is 'fair'? THE FAIR comes to town in September, baby."

I bought a used diesel VEG car. I smell lieka french fry, so now instead of crazy armed men chasing me, it will only be hungry dogs...

Dunno why anybody is surprised by this marriage between the White House and Goldmann Sacks. It was somewhere in the 1890s, give or take a bit, when one of the Robber Barons commented, "The business of government is business."

Since the end of the smokestack era, here, business has moved from railroads and making things to juggling financial paper. Otherwise, same-old, same-old. The business of government is still business; it's just that the type of business has changed.

To me, the sad thing is that Obama's dive into this cesspool was patently obvious from his own background and past associations. Again, I see no reason to be surprised. Those of us who tried to say so, a year ago, were laughed at and shouted down.

Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind...

'Rat

"They are the ones who are ordering the printing presses to run."

Hey simple-fuck, who bailed them out? That's right, our brilliant government fucktards. Fuckem. And FUCK YOU as well. ;>}

"Those of us who tried to say so, a year ago, were laughed at and shouted down."

There is the truth. And his fucking supporters feel so betrayed they are lashing out at everyone but him because they can;t believe they were that stupid. But they were. And if they have brains in their heads (which from their support for big O is doubtful) they will begin today to work towards turning this fucking bunch out. Its house cleaning time, boys and girls. Pick up the mop and get biddy wif it.

You can thank Alexander Hamilton, bastard, for the roots of this mess.

Aw, now, seejanemom, he always spoke very highly of you.

:-)

'Rat

There's no mystery as to why there's no outrage. Here's the list of reasons.

1) Desperation. First and foremost, most of the people who are most severely impacted by the current financial funnies are too busy trying to keep their heads above water to pay attention to the complexities that caused it. They're working 12 hours a day at 3 part time jobs. Revolution isn't a high priority.

2) Circuses. When not worrying about how to pay the rent, the new american lumpen proletariat is watching "American Idol" or E!. There's nothing left for action, political or otherwise.

3) Drugs! Once tools of revolution, drugs are now key to keeping the populace quiet. Alcohol and antidepressants can be had cheaply at your local drugstore, some without prescription (SAM-E, St. John's Wort). And there's just possibly a reason that the not so legal drugs have never really been successfully suppressed. Today I read that the feds will no longer bother users of medical marijuana, which will soon be anyone who wants it.

4) Cheap fattening food. Really another kind of drug. It keeps the sheeple fat, lethargic and scared for their own welfare. Try revolting with a heart condition.

5) Promises. The lottery. The idea that you too, Mr. carpet cleaner, can someday be rich, or at least comfortable (another form of lottery).

Soon, of course, when Oil is $20 a gallon and nothing is cheap any more and TV isn't quite enough and folks start getting hungry, and worse, their *children* get hungry, things change.

And the sheep look up.

'President Obama had better strike first'

YEAH RIGHT...HIM, SUMMERS AND BARNEY FRANKS!!!!

Goldmans been JKs 'big thing' for awhile....when does he blame the prez and the foxes Obama put in charge of the henhouse?

Apathy vs Anarchy
My bet is that apathy will win out. Winter cold is starting it's annual grip of the fertile pasture's that the sheeple trod. Thus it is highly unlikely that any show stopping events will occur on Wall St. when the Christmas bonuses are passed out. Not even a peep. The poor will be trying to keep warm and buy the latest e-toy and Glen Beck's guys will be too busy looking for "black helicopters" to give a rat's ass about some Wall Street weasel getting a few hundreded grand stocking stuffer. No, it won't hit the fan till there is no fuel for the SUV and Walmart runs out of ammo and food. Then it will be too late. This could suck big time for some. BE PREPARED !
"Lock 'n Load !" Denny Crane

Ordinary folks are getting ripped off by banks and by Wall Street. But the Obama administration is working on a way of controlling them.

Obama and Summers support the Consumer Financial Protection Agency. They are defending the zombies' interest and are working against the interest of the banks and against Wall Street derivatives traders.

Of course, Republicans, conservatives against "big government" and other assorted capitalists might not want such an agency as CFPA to be created. They believe the market will police itself (!) and that big government is bad (big social security administration gets their checks to them efficiently month after month, and big medicare pays their health costs, and big VA takes care of the soldiers, etc.)

asoka, odds are that the CFPA will be just as effective as was the SEC with Bernie Madoff.

asoka, it's not that the agencies' regs are toothless. I guess it depends on the particular billionaire group. Galleon might well not be part of the in-group; I don't know. I doubt they've been doing any more than AIG, G-S or the Fannies. Maybe Galleon has been selected for "throwing under the bus".

Overall, however, I'm less concerned about the crookedness of any particular firm than about the total package of the Fed, the Administration and their friends on Wall Street who combine to set monetary policy with the willing assistance of Congress--which, as a group, is driving down the value of the currency.

I grant that the two primary purposes of government are to extend power over the populace and ruin the currency, but this gang is working just way too hard at it.

Never a dull moment, for sure, at this circus sideshow...

'Rat

Things are heating up in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and now the ex-Yugoslav republic of Bosnia. We are spending 180 million every day in Afghanistan alone and what do we have to show for it? I'll bet most Americans don't even know we still have a sizable military contingent in the Balkans more than ten years after hostilities supposedly died down in that part of the world courtesy of Billy Clinton the "nation builder". We are over-extended militarily, financially and we are far behind the rest of the developed world in the race to find alternatives to fossil fuel.

I see the American sheople are paying tribute to their Overlords on Wall Street. Good, they got exactly what they deserve. Deserve for what you ask? Deserve for voting for Ronald Reagan, deserve for voting for Clinton and Bush and the latest buffon they put in office. They deserve it for arguing about petty BS like abortion, gay rights, flag burning and other nonsense. They deserve it for flying their stupid flags every time their politicians declare war on another country. They deserve it for pillaging and raping this planet and acting like it is their God given right. They deserve it for buying crap they can't afford. They deserve it because their leaders are merely a reflection of their pathetic society.
This is stuff you normally only read about in the history books...The fall of the Arrogant Empire. It is exciting to see history unfold in real time, I am enjoying every minute of it. It couldn't have hit a nicer bunch of people. Will the sheople revolt or will they give in without a fight? Since most Americans are fat, lazy and stupid cowards my guess it that this will end in a whimper. Don't even think about rioting you spineless Sissys! Go back to work so your Overlords can have the X-mas bonus they deserve.

Well considering Mr Kunstler's politics and his background-he's doing alright. At least he stopped with the Paulson mantra. Now he can at least say Goldman-Sachs. Real Conservatives-people who want to conserve our Culture not just our portfolios-know that the Jews dominate Finance and Media. They use the money and the podium to bash traditional Americans and their Christian Culture. And they lead the battle to open our borders to the Third World. The Jewish Elite and their Wasp fellow travelers, are completely committed to a non White future for America.

We oppose all of the above. You have to decide where you stand. Mr Kunstler is not one of the Jewish Elite so I don't say he supports all of that. Certainly not the banking scam as He has made clear. He said just once that immigration has to end. But he seems to support the Zionist Neo Con crusade in the Middle East. So from my point of view, he's all over the place-very right on some things and very wrong on others.

Desertrat said: "asoka, odds are that the CFPA will be just as effective as was the SEC with Bernie Madoff."

So, you think the SEC regulations are toothless. Think again:

There is a new sheriff in town. SEC is now being used and under Obama's command they just arrested a BILLIONAIRE hedge fund trader for scamming the market.

"When the federal government swooped in to take down Galleon Group founder Raj Rajaratnam, the reverberations didn't just stop with his own hedge fund. To begin with, the five other people arrested in conjunction with his alleged insider-trading scheme were highly placed elsewhere: IBM executive Robert Moffat, for example, was considered to be a lead contender to take over the company some day soon. Now he's been placed on leave. But on a broader scale, the hedge-fund community has bigger things to worry about than this particular scandal. This morning, Bloomberg swept away the curtain behind which the Securities and Exchange Commission had been hiding a complex new program they've quietly been using for two years to weed out more clusters of insider trading.

Basically, the program works this way: The SEC mines data from the hundreds of millions of "blue sheets" (records provided when the SEC looks into an exchange of stocks) to find patterns of traders who make similar lucrative, well-timed bets over time. Looking for connections among such clusters of traders, the program can turn up what might be the common link — for example, a law firm that advised on a particular deal, or a bank that may have handled it.

The US government isnow reduced to wars and doing wall streets bidding. If you were right the banks and corps would hate government; instead they are lining up to buy a piece. They only hate when gov threatens to serve the common good and put a stop to their frauds. Your ideas are a libertarian pipedream The world does not tolerate weak governments.

These bankers and Wall Street scum are not producing anything of value, for anyone. They are fucking parasites. Once EVERYONE has lost their job or business that creates something real, and of measurable value, the house of cards will collapse. No need for Semtex or sniper rifles. Their own greed and arrogance will be their end. There are a lot of smart and good people amongst the sheeple, and I think a new economy may rise from the ashes, that doesn't need a Wall Street or a Walmart. Too bad I won't live to see it. Thank God my wife and I never had children. This world will take no more from my family.

IF GOVERNMENT IS BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY WALL STREET, THEN WHY IS THE GOVERNMENT ARRESTING THEM?

*SEC attorneys likely to bring more enforcement cases
*Number of high-profile cases will rise in '09
By Svea Herbst-Bayliss and Rachelle Younglai

BOSTON/WASHINGTON, Oct 19 (Reuters) - U.S. financial regulators and federal prosecutors are pursing "significant" insider trading cases involving financial professionals, a source familiar with the matter said on Monday.

When Mary Schapiro replaced Christopher Cox as SEC chairman earlier this year, a number of changes were made to help root of financial crimes.

The SEC's internal changes are quickly being felt by managers in the $1.4 trillion hedge fund industry.

"They are paying extra attention to everything right now," said Ian Roffman, a former SEC attorney who is now a partner at Nutter McClennen & Fish, adding "we are in a period of very heightened enforcement activity."

Obama of the Harvard (Affirmative Action) ilk insists it's all W's fault. Everything was started by W or previous administrations including James Buchanan, Millard Fillmore, and Chester B. Arthur. Obama deems himself the Teflon Don, shit can't and won't stick to the prick. Asia hits the bullseye that many others can't...Obama hired a bunch of suckups that follow the boss' dictates. Not only is Obama a fucking commie pinko bastard who wants to cornhole the world into his way of thinking, he's gulled millions of people into thinking tapdancing like Bojangles is the way to go. He hired a bunch of climbers who buy into this shit. Like it or not, Obama now owns the war, the economy, and let's forget this shit about somebody else did this to him and he has to pull us out of this nosedive 'cuz he's so damn great. He tells 'em what he wants, they say "yowza".
Get used to being a lower caste doofus the rest of your life, because this is what the Kingfish is planning. He goes overseas bleating about the wonders of ol' Chicago, having denigrated how bad the country was and is to varied Musloon Idiocracies. He's one smart sumbitch, ain't he?
Support this piece of flyshit? While he's ruining the country, inciting racial friction, and playing jerk jobs with the economy? Where's Marcus Garvey when you need him?

bahmi said: "Where's Marcus Garvey when you need him?"

Ain't nobody goin' no where, massah bahmi. This our country now... and we love our country, yes we do... and we love multiculturalism... and we love President Obama. He be a good man. Right smart, too.

Don't 'spose you could do a better job anyways.

All that cussin' n' hatin' not good for you, massah bahmi. You gots to chill, little brother.

Asoka - agreed that the financial cycles will, without fail, each and every time nail the "little guy". Huge inflation, such as experienced (globally) through the 70s & 80s is a very efficient way to transfer huge swathes of material wealth from the poor to the rich (property prices being the bulk carrier)...systemic theft is what it is. The cure, as undertaken by Volker on that occasion, is vicious, and takes long enough for the vultures and rapists to have good feed before things settle down. Then we, the Drones, set about reaccumulating a store of wealth (though of questionable value), get sucked into a new boom, and get reamed AGAIN.

Just a point: the comparison of 70s prime rates on mortgages between 1982 and 2009 is irrelvant. The intervening steady, annual inflation rate (the one we think of as benign!!!) puts people in the $200,000 quantum range of loans today, that would have been $40,000 in 1982.

We've all been had by the Kansas City Shuffle; we look right and "they" go left. There's always a dead body, sometimes more. W is how one spells this recession and a meme is just a meme until it's a reality: Realities are still in flux until we make some decisions and that's whats lacking on the part of the people; no decisions are forthcoming.

Main st to wall st.....HOW MANY ARE UNEMPLOYED? OFFICIALLY OR IN REAL NUMBERS?

IF ITS 10% THAT'S 14 MILLION? OFFICIAL COUNT?

Indeed...I read the largest post WW2 base the US has built [as of yr 2000] is in former Yugoslavia.
Bill Clinton and Albright are both CFR...she supposedly got him his seat in CFR, he made the bitch madame secretary.....at least if my memory serves me well

...could there be black gold under the Caspian? is that why US did humanitarian bomb dropping there?

men living in their cars who have lost nearly everything else will still have guns.

On Sunday, I was in Detroit. It was bright and sunny and I was walking along 16 Mile. Nobody walks along 16 Mile, everybody drives. I walked past Manhattan Dr. Sign says Lot 5, For Sale, Foreclosure, other sign almost hidden by trees says Houses for Sale starting in the mid $300,000. "You wish" I think to myself. I walk down Manhattan Dr. I think there are a total of 6 houses, they look nice, brick exterior. two are vacant and never lived-in, one (lot 5) is vacant but there are signs of former occupants: curtains and venetian blinds, a poorly maintained lawn. At the end of the street there is a nice house with election signs. Random evidence of a housing bubble.

Walking west, I pass a sign twirler. Since we are the only human beings not in cars, I say "nice sunny day, this morning there was frost"

He says "I sleep in my car and I like it cool. Don't like the heat." and later something like "the situation doesn't hurt my feelings"

I don't know if my living-in-his-car sign twirler has a gun or not but the man I saw was honest and upright.

Max Headroom said: "Weeellllll, I don't need to give Michael Moore or any of the movie distribution middlemen any of my precious treasure to know what the hell is going on.... No, for that you have to read. You CAN read can't you?"

I have nothing against reading, but Michael Moore's movie, CAPITALISM: A LOVE STORY, is well worth seeing, and hearing, and experiencing.

On the internet you can read something like this:

"A film crew for controversial documentarian Michael Moore was in Wilkes-Barre, PA last week..."

but you cannot get the experience of seeing and hearing the Wilkes-Barre kids themselves who were arrested, imprisoned, and held illegally in a privatized prison for private profit, thanks to capitalism.

Reading on the Web doesn't allow seeing on their faces, and hearing in their voices, what capitalism has done to them in the name of making profit.

It's a sad comment on the state of the union when JHK is warned against predicting violence for fear that if violence erupts, he will be targeted.

Sad, but not unrealistic.

Our Constitutional Rights were taken, and the anger that so many of us felt was not expressed in violence. It was expressed in impotent rage, directed at newspaper editors and local city councils (many of which, like mine, passed impotent resolutions urging a repeal to the Patriot Act). Then came the Military Commissions Act, the John Warner Defense Authorization Act,the Jane Harman Home Grown Terrorism Act, and we didn't even get our city council to respond.

We watched the people of New Orleans drown, starve, have their homes invaded by multiple police state agencies, have their guns taken from their live, warm hands, and - What? Nothing.

People all over the world watch their children starve to death without targeting the rich.

I expect the same here.

The SEC comment is pretty humorous, yes they were very concerned with someone who is running a hedge fund. Who puts money into a hedge fund? My aunt Gert living on Social Security? No, those who are "qualified investors", put money in there. People with some pretty nice salaries and networth.

The SEC is not focusing on the instrumentalities that your average American is interfacing with like banks, mortgages and the institutions like GS who played patty cake with them.

I have much more hope in the Attorney General of NYS who continues to embarass the federal government agencies by actually doing things on wall street with 1/10000 of the assets, and 1/10th of the authority.

A recent study by the London School of Economics and the British-based Optimum Population Trust, suggests meeting the world's unmet need for access to reproductive health would be the most effective and cheapest way to start dramatically cutting carbon dioxide.

Each $7 spent on basic family planning between now and 2050 would reduce emissions by more than a ton, the research says. To get the same reduction through alternative energy would cost at least $32 (or, as much as $83 to implement carbon capture and storage in coal plants, $92 to develop plug-in hybrids, or $131 for electric vehicles).

Providing such family planning over the next four decades would be the equivalent of reducing global CO2 by six times America's annual emissions.

Marching toward Zombieland... mindlessly reproducing, creating more zombies every day... to the detriment of Mother Earth.

To the real macho men: get a vasectomy. Now.

Marching toward Zombieland... mindlessly reproducing, creating more zombies every day... to the detriment of Mother Earth.

To the real macho men: get a vasectomy. Now.

Marching toward Zombieland... mindlessly reproducing, creating more zombies every day... to the detriment of Mother Earth.

To the real macho men: get a vasectomy. Now.

"And that's one reason they focus so much on race-to divert attention from the class structure."

Amen! here is the diversion of the day...

I come from one of those families that tend to be over represented with regards to military service - myself included. Though my father has researched our direct family lineage all the way back to the first "400" to have settled this new world, our lot seems to be that of bearing arms. My father and my uncle are Vietnam era veterans. My grandfather fought in WWII, Great Grandfather in WWI and 33 of us fought in the Civil War. My great xxxx grandfather was a colonel in George Washington's army and was with him at Valley Forge.

Families with a lot of military background tend to view the world somewhat differently than most. We see that things can go bad very very quickly and that survival may depend on acting instinctively rather than rationally.

With all that said, let me tell you the simple truths that have been passed down in my family:

No place on earth is more than 3 meals away from a revolution.

We will not see the anger that JHK talks about until about 20% of our population begins to go hungry. Currently, 1 in 10 of us are on food stamps but we are no where near the magic number of desperate people. . .yet. Also, the government would have to shut that subsidy down and I just do not see that happening. They are not that foolish.

If a civil war ever comes, pick a side - any side

I've got family that got to fight in all kinds of civil wars (Vietnam and some black op stuff down in Latin America during Reagan's dirty war) and they are all pretty clear about the fact that civilians do not do very well in a civil war. See, soldiers rarely attack one another but they love to go pick on unarmed civilians.

No, we wont see the anger that JHK talks about and if that anger ever comes, we wont even know about it because by that time we will pretty much be living without oil and electricity. I doubt there will be anything that resembles news. Trust me, the very last thing this government would ever do is let the people go hungry. French revolution anyone?

If things ever do get that bad then take my other advice and pick a side. You might think you can sit it out but you'll only be a target for the ones that arm themselves and organize.


Asoka said: "Marching toward Zombieland... mindlessly reproducing, creating more zombies every day... to the detriment of Mother Earth.

To the real macho men: get a vasectomy. Now."

I love it. Good stuff.

Red, yellow, black or white, get a goddamn vasectomy.

Man, I miss Bill Hicks. RIP Bill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdluglmE2Cs

http://www.shadowstats.com will give a pretty good picture of the true inflation rate. The changes during the Clinton years make it appear smaller--which reduced the COLA for Olde Pharts' SS payments.

A better picture of unemployment is that of the method of the 1930s, where not just those officially on paper were counted, but also those who had given up looking, those under-employed or half-time, and self-employed folks who aren't eligible for unemployment compensation. The term is "U6", officially. It's somewhere between 17% and 20%, depending on the source.

And now for the gloom'n'doom of the day, courtesy of the folks at Doug Casey:

"There have been 28 episodes of hyperinflation of national economies in the 20th century, with 20 occurring after 1980. Peter Bernholz (Professor Emeritus of Economics in the Center for Economics and Business (WWZ) at the University of Basel, Switzerland) has spent his career examining the intertwined worlds of politics and economics with special attention given to money.

In his most recent book, Monetary Regimes and Inflation: History, Economic and Political Relationships, Bernholz analyzes the 12 largest episodes of hyperinflations – all of which were caused by financing huge public budget deficits through money creation. His conclusion: the tipping point for hyperinflation occurs when the government’s deficit exceeds 40% of its expenditures. Guess what? The U.S. will hit the 40% mark in 2009.”

Ain't we got fun?

'Rat

http://www.shadowstats.com will give a pretty good picture of the true inflation rate. The changes during the Clinton years make it appear smaller--which reduced the COLA for Olde Pharts' SS payments.

A better picture of unemployment is that of the method of the 1930s, where not just those officially on paper were counted, but also those who had given up looking, those under-employed or half-time, and self-employed folks who aren't eligible for unemployment compensation. The term is "U6", officially. It's somewhere between 17% and 20%, depending on the source.

And now for the gloom'n'doom of the day, courtesy of the folks at Doug Casey:

"There have been 28 episodes of hyperinflation of national economies in the 20th century, with 20 occurring after 1980. Peter Bernholz (Professor Emeritus of Economics in the Center for Economics and Business (WWZ) at the University of Basel, Switzerland) has spent his career examining the intertwined worlds of politics and economics with special attention given to money.

In his most recent book, Monetary Regimes and Inflation: History, Economic and Political Relationships, Bernholz analyzes the 12 largest episodes of hyperinflations – all of which were caused by financing huge public budget deficits through money creation. His conclusion: the tipping point for hyperinflation occurs when the government’s deficit exceeds 40% of its expenditures. Guess what? The U.S. will hit the 40% mark in 2009.”

Ain't we got fun?

'Rat

Riders on the storm?

http://vimeo.com/6475921

JIM,

I saw the movie yesterday, a lot of fun, and once again you make good points,but in my conservative city just up and to the west from you, we have only 1 newspaper the Democrat and Chronicle, none of these issues are discussed, the paper is still trying to spend money building up sport stadiums for minor league teams, then theatres,bus complexes,etc. The paper does have a citizen blogger for each town, but the county is Republican, and every single blogger except the city one is right wing conservative Republican and gets always evil Obama, the radio power is WHAM the center of Rush, Glenn, and are own want to be Bob Lonsberry, Obama is the anti christ. If a citizen tries to write a liberal opionion or a peak oil question, these conservaitve bloggers remove their posts. The average citizen sinks into quiet despair,and Wall Street will divert the angry to blacks, gays, liberlas,NON Christian Americans, we are headed towards a right wing corrupt government. The press is dead, it is Madison ave infoaiment only.

Non Whites Men in America should all get vastectomies-there are too many of them. Like a plague of locusts they are stripping the fields bare. Hispanics are the worst in terms of having babies. But although the Black Birthrate isn't that bad, they use up incredible amounts of social services such as welfare, jail, head start, etc. Whites are below the replacement level both here and in Europe-we need to have more babies not less.

Just want you to know that I haven't gone soft on race-but there are other issues damn it. BA Ba Steisand and Walters need to be pilloried like Hillary every now and then.

Now look-Wiki is bullshit. Anything they have to say about Chem Trails is just Establishment BS. Gimme the link, man, gimme the link. The Missing Link.

Jaego,

Here are the statistics for zombies getting vasectomies in the USA:

Low-income, minority and less educated men were underrepresented among vasectomy recipients. The majority of men were married or cohabiting (91%), non-Hispanic and white (87%), and educated beyond high school (81%). Only 7% of men had annual household incomes of less than $25,000, and fewer than 1% paid for the procedure using public funding; 81% of respondents paid through private insurance or a health maintenance organization. Half of men reported choosing vasectomy over a reversible method because it is the most secure means of preventing pregnancy, and 62% chose vasectomy over tubal ligation because the procedure is simpler and safer.

Asoka,

Without touching on the racial stats, those stats are depressing as hell. Although I would love to see the population VOLUNTARILY go down to about 1 billion worldwide, it's sad that the ones who do take some responsibility are educated, have a decent income, and, therefore, (though not always) are most likely the ones who should be rearing children.

We are doomed to be overrun with poor uneducated people -- of all colors, including whites -- it seems. It's a race to the bottom.

My hope of the human race one day exploring planets in space to colonize is probably only fantasy. The movie Idiocracy comes to mind.

cowswithguns said: "those stats are depressing as hell."

I have lived for years at a time in the third world and I see it differently.

From the point of view of environmental degradation and resource depletion, the greatest negative impact on the Earth is caused by the rich white minority who have so many material possessions their two kids use more than kids in a developing country.

The whites in North America are the ones who need the vasectomies the most because they are the ones exploiting the Earth and they are the ones diminishing the Earth's carrying capacity.

The average North American consumes five times more than a Mexican, ten times more than a Chinese person, and 30 times more than a person from India.

We are the most voracious consumers in the world: a world that could die because of the way we North Americans live.

Give it a rest. November 23 is Buy Nothing Day.

"If you dig a little past the surface you'll see that this financial meltdown is not about liquidity, toxic derivatives or unregulated markets, it's really about culture," says the co-founder of Adbusters Media Foundation, Kalle Lasn. "It's our culture of excess and meaningless consumption — the glorified spending and borrowing of the past decade that's at the root of the crisis we now find ourselves in."

cowswithguns said: "those stats are depressing as hell."

I have lived for years at a time in the third world and I see it differently.

From the point of view of environmental degradation and resource depletion, the greatest negative impact on the Earth is caused by the rich white minority who have so many material possessions their two kids use more than kids in a developing country.

The whites in North America are the ones who need the vasectomies the most because they are the ones exploiting the Earth and they are the ones diminishing the Earth's carrying capacity.

The average North American consumes five times more than a Mexican, ten times more than a Chinese person, and 30 times more than a person from India.

We are the most voracious consumers in the world: a world that could die because of the way we North Americans live.

Give it a rest. November 23 is Buy Nothing Day.

"If you dig a little past the surface you'll see that this financial meltdown is not about liquidity, toxic derivatives or unregulated markets, it's really about culture," says the co-founder of Adbusters Media Foundation, Kalle Lasn. "It's our culture of excess and meaningless consumption — the glorified spending and borrowing of the past decade that's at the root of the crisis we now find ourselves in."

I'll follow up on your view with "idiots are taking over", a great Nofx song from the album "War On Errorism":

"it's not the right time to be sober
now the idiots have taken over
spreading like a social cancer, is there an answer?

Mensa membership conceding
tell me why and how are all the stupid people breeding
Watson, it's really elementary
the industrial revolution
has flipped the bitch on evolution
the benevolent and wise are being thwarted, ostracized, what a bummer
the world keeps getting dumber
insensitivity is standard and faith is being fancied over reason

Darwin's rollin over in his coffin
the fittest are surviving much less often
now everything seems to be reversing, and it's worsening
someone flopped a steamer in the gene pool
now angry mob mentality's no longer the exception, it's the rule
and im startin to feel a lot like Charlton Heston
stranded on a primate planet
apes and orangutans that ran it to the ground
with generals and the armies that obeyed them
followers following fables
philosophies that enable them to rule without regard

there's no point for democracy when ignorance is celebrated
political scientists get the same one vote as some Arkansas inbred
majority rule, don't work in mental institutions
sometimes the smallest softest voice carries the grand biggest solutions

what are we left with?
a nation of god-fearing pregnant nationalists
who feel it's their duty to populate the homeland
pass on traditions
how to get ahead religions
And prosperity via simpleton culture

the idiots are takin over "

So relevant!

We go back that far as well, but missed all of the military stuff; merchants and all.
Anyway, interesting comment; it seems things never change and I think you're right.

I'm presently living in a third world country (7+ years) and you are correct, but for one thing; guess who they're trying to emulate? Our sick values are worse than a heroin addiction. God help us all.

Slavery, peonage, servitude.... these were merely suspended and have now returned. The finansters have always desired a population in thrall and now they having their ways. Call it the new slavery if you wish. It began with Regan. When government ceases regulating the predators the rest of us become prey.

"My hope of the human race one day exploring planets in space to colonize is probably only fantasy."

No fucking shit. What a MORON.

A Goldman guy, age 29, has been appointed head of SEC enforcement. Truly the foxes are in charge of the hen house.

WASHINGTON -- The Securities and Exchange Commission tapped Goldman Sachs Group Inc. executive Adam Storch on Friday to serve as the agency's first-ever chief operating officer of the enforcement division....

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125572123250190601.html

Should I tell you how things really work ? There is a concept of "the law of conservation of money", money is neither created or destroyed, it just changes hands. Also money is simply a state of mind, an assumed imaginary "contract" bewtween people, that item A is equal to item B, person - entity C, will pay entity D a certain amount, etc. Since these are "imaginary" laws, are all make believe, have no basis in reality except for the fact that they are purely invented by people, these "laws" can change in any possible way, and in any possible direction. So all of a sudden the "stock market" is "worth" 50 % more than 6 months ago, all of a sudden a few million workers worldwide are "redundant", not needed anymore, etc. We love to impose linearities and rules upon a world where the only ultimate rules are based on power struggles between individuals and entites, it all boils down to fights bewteen free agents exressing their free wills, people wanting to control, have power, or dominate other people. It is a constant ranking system between people, everyone trying to climb some kind of imaginary ladder that ranks them higher according to how much pain they can avoid and how much pain can be distributed away from themselves. The distribution of pain, also either imagined - psychological or real, according to where you are at on the imaginary ranking ladder, working 3 jobs at once, not having money to pay mortgages, etc.

So the end result of all of this is that there are no rules at all, only power struggles, people fighting each other, a set of forces that play out in any possible way. There is no ethically preferred result, only your subjective pain that must be minimized by distributing it to others...

PROOF THE NEW BOSS AIN'T NOTHIN' LIKE THE OLD BOSS, AND DESERVED THE PEACE PRIZE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMwXTdFcPm0

I almost wish.

Unfortunately, the guys with guns are down at the ACORN offices looking under desks for communists. After that, they've got a whole day lined up hunting for illegals.

The only way they'd put Goldman on the to-do list is if the firm laid out a free all you can eat buffet in the lobby, with a keg.

Take away a man's home and livelihood and he'll find a Mexican to blame. Give him a barbecue sandwich in exchange, he'll think he made a profit on the deal.

About SEC enforcement: Can anyone name one BILLIONAIRE arrested during the eight years of Bush?

Isn't the arrest of big crooks (that was B as in billionaire) a signal Obama is serious about cracking down on Wall Street financial ripoffs?

It is not everyday BILLIONAIRES are arrested.

I have heard this theory numerous times, that in some glorious past, the smarter people survived and the dumber ones died.

I don't think it's that accurate.

First of all, humans have a cultural intelligence that is passed down and that most can grasp. It used to be the ability to farm or hunt. Now even the most ignorant teenager can manage the intricacies of cell phones and DVDs.

Second, what mostly killed our ancestors was disease. The smartest human is just as susceptible as the dumbest to viruses and bacteria.

Third, smarter humans are more likely to be questioners and heretics, both capital offenses in the great European culture that Jaego glamorizes.
People were hung, burned, drawn and quartered for questioning priests or the Bible.
The stupid survived and bred.

So, today, it continues.

I see plenty of white people breeding like rabbits here in the rural south.
But I wouldn't call it a good thing for future mankind.

I can't believe that anyone thinks that white skin is a predictor of intelligence. Maybe you need to get out more!

Aaahhhhh, un, un, unity. Unity.

"On the topic of lesser evilism, there's one thing that's now certain: Obama is worse than his predecessor. It's possible that McCain would have managed to be even worse. It's possible he would have had a stroke and President Palin would be in charge. Again, so what? A crank and a loon could as easily have managed to accidentally make things better. What we have now is a bright, rational, thoroughly competent man who is continuing the very same policies that made Cheney/Bush so damaging. He does it in complete sentences, without the twitching and unnerving irritability of the last president. The lurid freak show is outsourced to Biden.

As for revolution, this is silly, as is the imputed "worse the better" strategy. What grandiosity! You come off like a Freeper fixated on caricatures of hippies. Obama is already making things worse and has done more polarizing than Rumsfeld and Cheney. My god, look what he's done to the pwogs. They're polarized to the point where their only common outlet for activism is shrieking "fascism!" and wailing about the stupidity of the faux grassroots right wingers. They actually have less going for them than they did in the previous regime. Obama has successfully demobilized and atomized them.'

http://stopmebeforeivoteagain.org/2009/10/meanwhile_this_idiot.html#comment-422622 (h/t Arthur Silber - http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2009/10/admirable-summation.html )

The pedulum has indeed swung too far to greed, avarice, apathy and entitlement. The result is war, poverty and slavery.

And yet, for every action there is a reaction. The pendulum will swing back, but it will not stop at the center. It will swing an almost equal distance opposite of where it started. The result will be the same - war, poverty and slavery.

It is human nature.

since the Population increases at a billion every 12 years...well.....id wage that if it decreased by 5 billion leaving a billion thatd give mother earth some time


and 'The whites in North America are the ones who need the vasectomies the most because they are the ones exploiting the Earth'

why do people respond to ashok the racists shit?
i gotta stop reading them..well i almost have


also today KCRW had a brief but great piece on the lady that tried in 1996 under clintons watch to bust CDS...she was concerned a new 'thing' that was 20 trillion unregulated ,,was...well....dangerous... but greenspan told her angrily the ' market id regulate itself'...that was under a left democrat president!!!

The Chamber of Commerce has spent $34 million on lobbying in three months. And how much influence has it purchased with Obama. Zero. Nada. In fact, Obama is making the Chamber of Commerce irrelevant, making an end run around them, meeting directly with CEO's.

The context, in the end, remains that the Chamber is either too extreme or out of touch -- certainly for a economy where health care costs are crippling companies, CEOs have environmental consciences, and the president remains resoundingly more popular than the titans of Wall Street. Recounting a conversation she had with the Chamber's president, Tom Donohue, when he first mentioned the organization's free enterprise campaign several months ago, Jarrett summed up the friction succinctly.

"He came in and we chatted and he said, 'I think that, for example, your financial regulatory reform might have a chilling effect on business growth.' So I said well you supported the Recovery Act, yes. You support the federal taxpayer subsidy going to the banks, yes. You supported the subsidy going to the auto industry, yes. So now suddenly you want the free market system? I couldn't reconcile those two positions."

"He said, 'Well, I don't think we need those checks and balances.' And I said, 'Yes you do, we have concrete evidence that you do because without them the taxpayers ended up carrying the burden.'"

Bush had a "warm relationship" with the Chamber. Obama is playing hard ball with them, and they are ending up the butt of hoaxes, jokes, and are unable to buy power with lobbyists.

Hell, even Billionaire criminals are not safe anymore.

This is exactly what H. P. Lovecraft realized and wrote about in his horror stories. Only they weren't really horror but a kind of sign for the future. He has developed a mythology for future times that is horrifying. It's power is being demonstrated by the vast influence he has had in the arts.He has even crossed over to rock and now horror rap. His influence on architecture is profound, painting of course and writing above all. His mythology is being reinforced and extended by writers following in his footsteps of doom.

If you only read one story then read the very short one called Nyarlathotep. It is an earlier one but holds his essence in that one story and it is the one that captures and terrifies me the most. With hoardes of immigrants rushing into the borders of western civilization we are doomed. Our tolerance has provided us with no defense.

Coetze has writtenof it in a pretty graphic tale as are all of his novels focussed on a particular fragment.

Cthulhu the chaos has stirred and is coming. Nyarlathotep is on his way. Creeping chaos. Horror.

Yeh. Less poetic than Lovecraft but the same thing.

Nice little zap from Jarrett. But that's all it is is a zap. And busting a billionaire is sort of the same as busting Martha isn't it? While everybody focussed on Martha Wall St continued their looting under that smokescreen. $80,000 for Martha's blooper and billions and trillions for Wall Street.

Talk about pennywise and pound foolish.

The new SEC...

Float like a butterfly...

Sting like a bee...

"The enforcement division also plans to form five new specialized units, Khuzami said, focusing on asset management (such as hedge and mutual funds); structured financial products (such as derivatives); municipal bonds and public pensions; market abuse and manipulation; and foreign corrupt practices.

The changes will result in more SEC enforcers on the front lines, as the specialized units will be dispersed throughout the country and have the power to assign cases and negotiate settlements. Khuzami hopes the changes will help strip away the layers of bureaucracy that slow down investigations."

Wall Street does NOT like this development supported by Obama.

During his short tenure, Khuzami has also brought fraud charges against former Countrywide CEO Angelo Mozilo and insider trading charges against Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban. (The charges against Cuban were thrown out, and the SEC is currently appealing.)

Khuzami, who was chosen by SEC chair Mary Schapiro, has taken an approach that has "shaken the agency to the core with reforms designed to make sure it does not miss the next Madoff," according to Reuters.

On a more positive note:
"So why have I come away from Tainter with an optimistic outlook? The answer is that Tainter makes plain that the collapse of complexity is not necessarily a universal bane. On the contrary, whilst those most closely invested in the centralised structures do badly in a collapse, it is quite possible that the majority of a community will benefit, not least because for a long time leading up to a collapse the maintenance of the status quo had exacted an increasing burden upon ordinary citizens. The removal of a particular level of human complexity does not, of itself, lead to depopulation. It seems quite possible that the twenty-first century future will be local, resilient and humane, and without an over-bearing state recklessly absorbing and wasting scarce resources that prospect seems very attractive. Of course, getting to that point will likely be very scary..."

http://elizaphanian.blogspot.com/

"Christianity {NOT churchianity!!}, and nothing else, is the ultimate foundation of liberty, conscience, human rights and democracy. . . . To this day, we have no other options. We continue to nourish ourselves from this source. Everything else is postmodern chatter." (Jurgen Habermas)

Madoff was a scapegoat for the rest of them.

How could the press be dead, Rocco? Hell, they fellated Obama during the campaign and loved it. Obama could do no wrong. However, Anita Dunn basically said the campaign controlled the press during said campaign. Now, why would the press jump off the bandwagon and not adore Obama? I mean, he and his band of Merry Men will do away with guns soon, put in a health care system that will cost far more and emanate CONTROL over many aspects of your life and mine. Does this not bother you and others? Why are people so suckee suckee with Obama?
It's hugely hilarious to hear the wackjobs on liberal media decry the evil incarnates, Beck and Limbaugh. It's like I can call you a jackass but you can't call me one.... Yes, rocco, W was a dick. Plain and simple. But, this does not merely give Obama a free pass to fuck up our country and society carte blanche. Or, does it? I see Americans willing to forsake the Constitution and give up freedom for, security? Security? Surely you jest. We are in deep shit for many reasons. Some love Obama more than oxygen, others hate him like the piece of shit he is. Vive la difference. Can't we just get along?

unless Martha was a diversionery tactic...which her arrest was.....Mjacksons death got more press than the war!

bahmi said: "put in a health care system that will cost far more and emanate CONTROL over many aspects of your life and mine."

The exact same things were said to block Medicare back in 1961 when Reagan warned agains Medicare:

"this program I promise you will pass just as surely as the sun will come up tomorrow. And behind it will come other federal programs that will invade every area of freedom as we have known it in this country, until, one day…we will awake to find that we have socialism."

Medicare. The single most popular government program of all time. Medicare was the big “threat to our freedom” that Reagan was referencing.

Oh, and then there is the "socialist" government run Veterans Administration health care, the best health care you can have. Socialism, bring it on!

bahmi said: "put in a health care system that will cost far more and emanate CONTROL over many aspects of your life and mine."

The exact same things were said to block Medicare back in 1961 when Reagan warned agains Medicare:

"this program I promise you will pass just as surely as the sun will come up tomorrow. And behind it will come other federal programs that will invade every area of freedom as we have known it in this country, until, one day…we will awake to find that we have socialism."

Medicare. The single most popular government program of all time. Medicare was the big “threat to our freedom” that Reagan was referencing.

Oh, and then there is the "socialist" government run Veterans Administration health care, the best health care you can have. Socialism, bring it on!

"The most subverstive act today is to calm, relaxed, and happy with Obama..." And that "state" is best and most cheaply achieved with a combination of pot and valium. Seriously dude, you sound like some crazy old hippy. I bet you used to be the one Black Hippy hanging around with all the Whites guilt or bum tripping them. You are one of those horrible Sixties People who want to let all Blacks out of Jail. It's just the institution, man. A Brother got to do what a Brother got to do. As you said last week, so what if a Brother robs a 7-11. Everything in there is his. And so what if he pistol whips the White Clerk. He's White-he had it coming.

Are you still selling or just smoking? I am in favor of legalization btw. Fascists don't want the jails filled up with freaks but only real criminals. Also Fascists like to have fun too. I gave it up a long time ago because it didn't agree with my system. But it works for some-a much more peaceful high than alcohol. How many lives have been destoyed by that one...

Blah-blah-blah-blah....

Come on folks, wake up. Lets get real.

The so-called "financial crisis" was a con. It was the last big rape of the treasury by the Bush team.
And you thought the O-Man was gonna change things? (Sadly, so did I). But no, nothing is going to change.

If it was, the first order of business should have been a deep Justice department investigation into the causes of the financial collapse that lead to the bail out. Next would have been prosecutions of those responsible. This year should have been devoted to making sure that regulations were passed and enforced to make sure it never happened again.

So instead what do we get? Health care "reform" that's what. A distraction.
There will be NO investigations. There will be NO prosecutions. There will be NO regulations.

Instead we will get health-care "reform", but there will be no "public option", instead we will all be forced to buy private health insurance, no doubt with high co-pays & deductibles (we will be basically paying entirely out of pocket, AND paying extortionist premiums too). And if we just can't afford it, we will be FINED. And what if you can't pay the fucking fine? Jail? Yes, jail for not being able to afford fucking insurance. We will be so screwed.

So, now what? I guess if you really want change, it ain't gonna be by voting, the machine has got that rigged now matter how you vote.
Probably the only difference if McSame had won is instead of health care "reform" we woulda just nuked Iran & Afganistan back to the stone age. Oh, and Sara Pinhead would probably be Prezident by now too.

As for some kind of uprising by the sheeple? ha, ain't never gonna happen.
Jim misses one point when he says that this country runs on "magical thinking", it doesn't, it runs on immature thinking. If you have ever been to another country, you would soon realize that most adults in this country never mentally mature past the junior-high school level. Look around you, most so-called adult men (& women) seem perpetually stuck at the pre-high school or at most the high school level of development.
So what do we have? A country of tatooed perpetual 12 year olds looking for the next level of excitement. Well, the corporate interests know just how to keep them entertained so they won't cause any trouble.
So there will be no revolution. There will be no prosecutions either. This country will somehow manage to keep schlepping along until some outside force (peak oil, an asteroid?) finally slaps it down.
But don't expect any sort of real change from within, by its own citizens. They sadly no longer have the imagination to do anything. If the power went out, they would just sit sadly by thier I-phonys waiting for them to ring, slowly dying, until thier body meets their already dead brain at the event horizon.

Good by.

ZOMBIES ARE RUNNING GITMO!!!!

GUANTANAMO BAY NAVY BASE, Cuba -- The military can comply with a White House order to empty the detention center and clear all 221 war-on-terror captives off this remote base "with 10 days notice,'' the prison camps commander said Tuesday.

Navy Rear Adm. Tom Copeman told The Miami Herald and Fox News in an interview that his 2,100-member team of guards and other support staff can meet President Barack Obama's Jan. 22 closure deadline right through the eighth anniversary of the establishment of the controversial prison camps.

WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

MILITARY WASTE, AGAIN... WASTEFUL GOVERNMENT SPENDING...

100 PRISON STAFF FOR EVERY SINGLE PRISONER!!!

SHUT DOWN GITMO, NOW!!! LIKE THE GOOD ADMIRAL SAYS HE CAN DO.

DEEJONES said: "So what do we have? A country of tatooed perpetual 12 year olds looking for the next level of excitement. Well, the corporate interests know just how to keep them entertained so they won't cause any trouble."

Yes, we can be easily distracted by bright shiny objects in the sky, bright shiny NFL helmets, bright shiny NASCAR cars going round and round and round.

And easily scared by Fox and scared by Oathkeepers. Be afraid, be very afraid is the constant drum beat of the message.

The most subversive act today is to be calm, relaxed, and happy with Obama, to refuse to be manipulated by the fear mongerers.

DEEJONES said: "So what do we have? A country of tatooed perpetual 12 year olds looking for the next level of excitement. Well, the corporate interests know just how to keep them entertained so they won't cause any trouble."

Yes, we can be easily distracted by bright shiny objects in the sky, bright shiny NFL helmets, bright shiny NASCAR cars going round and round and round.

And easily scared by Fox and scared by Oathkeepers. Be afraid, be very afraid is the constant drum beat of the message.

The most subversive act today is to be calm, relaxed, and happy with Obama, to refuse to be manipulated by the fear mongerers.

James, you are correct in saying that the working stiffs are beginning to get angry over the economic theft by the financial-banking crime syndicate, but there are reasons why Martial Law exercises are being orchestrated around the country. These are the reasons that police department all over the country are purchasing anti-terrorism equipment, such as LRAD devices, armor plated assault vehicles and riot gear for their patrolpersons.

We saw this in action in Pittsburgh, during the G-20 Summit. 6000 para-and military soldiers/police for 5000 demonstrators.

This is why the Airforce has done air drop exercises in a small town in Tennessee last month freaking out the residents. This is why a private military industry has gained a foothold in Montana and elsewhere.

A man living in his car with a gun under his seat is angry, but will ultimately have no power. A drive-by in front of Wall Street during check-out time may bring headline news to every local television station around the country, but it will also raise the Martial Law alert color status immediately.

http://eye-on-washington.blogspot.com

James, you are correct in saying that the working stiffs are beginning to get angry over the economic theft by the financial-banking crime syndicate, but there are reasons why Martial Law exercises are being orchestrated around the country. These are the reasons that police department all over the country are purchasing anti-terrorism equipment, such as LRAD devices, armor plated assault vehicles and riot gear for their patrolpersons.

We saw this in action in Pittsburgh, during the G-20 Summit. 6000 para-and military soldiers/police for 5000 demonstrators.

This is why the Airforce has done air drop exercises in a small town in Tennessee last month freaking out the residents. This is why a private military industry has gained a foothold in Montana and elsewhere.

A man living in his car with a gun under his seat is angry, but will ultimately have no power. A drive-by in front of Wall Street during check-out time may bring headline news to every local television station around the country, but it will also raise the Martial Law alert color status immediately.

http://eye-on-washington.blogspot.com

SIGN THE PRO-RAPE PETITION

30 Republican Senators have bravely voted in defense of the rape of women who work as DoD contractors. You can join them. See the Republicans for Rape petition here:

http://www.republicansforrape.org/blog/2009/10/19/sign-the-pro-rape-petition.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8315980.stm

See the above link where poor windowers are accused as witches, and beaten.Why we can't get along shows me right there. The Press is dead, you have the left wing, Obama is a saint, the right wing W is the new Jesus. Both sides are not debating issues with information, facts, but with a Hollywood tonight carnival. When I see anyone trying to have a serious discussion about gun control,or climate change, or peak oil,you have the"press" of right or left begin an onset of assult, "pinko, commie, Nazi, demon,capitalist pig" etc. It's more fun to Listen to Rush and Keith than a round table of scholars debating pro and cons. If these elite rulers do exits and run the United States, then they want conflict and name calling not serious obervations from the likes of JHK,or they just ignore or censor the discussion. Ciao. or TTFN

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8315980.stm

See the above link where poor windowers are accused as witches, and beaten.Why we can't get along shows me right there. The Press is dead, you have the left wing, Obama is a saint, the right wing W is the new Jesus. Both sides are not debating issues with information, facts, but with a Hollywood tonight carnival. When I see anyone trying to have a serious discussion about gun control,or climate change, or peak oil,you have the"press" of right or left begin an onset of assult, "pinko, commie, Nazi, demon,capitalist pig" etc. It's more fun to Listen to Rush and Keith than a round table of scholars debating pro and cons. If these elite rulers do exits and run the United States, then they want conflict and name calling not serious obervations from the likes of JHK,or they just ignore or censor the discussion. Ciao. or TTFN

"SHUT DOWN GITMO, NOW!!! LIKE THE GOOD ADMIRAL SAYS HE CAN DO."

Hey MORON, I could shut gitmo down today. I venture even you could. You kick all the prisoners out of their cells lock the doors and turn off the fucking lights. No biggie.

The problem is where do you park the fucking inmates and how long do you want to tie up the various courts once these fucking bumwads hit U.S. soil. Gitmo was a stroke of genius. Closing it is the act of a MORON.

Nobody from Gitmo should be "parked" anywhere, unless they have been lawfully charged with a crime, and many are simply innocent.

Parking is not a problem for the guilty, unless you doubt the ability of our maximum security prisons in the USA.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/19/terror/main4877395.shtml

zzzzzz,

Typical liberal big government comment: zzzzz says to park someone somewhere and that it is a "stroke of genius" to place 100 people on the payroll to support each person parked in the government-run parking lot.

zzzzzz,

Typical liberal big government comment: zzzzz says to park someone somewhere and that it is a "stroke of genius" to place 100 people on the payroll to support each person parked in the government-run parking lot.

JK,

It would appear that your articles are taking on more of a "wishful thinking" tone than an intellectual exercise in forecasting coming social upheavals.

History has shown that "bad guys" do indeed win. And often continue to win for lengthy periods of time.

Like many of my posts - from a year or more ago - I remind you that without some truly hideous deprivation - you know like "freezing poor people to death" or starving some children - its unlikely that much of any insurrection will foment. And even after these social travesties - it may take years before a common vision unites any social groups to actions of any consequence.

My own take - watch as the auto industry disintegrates - and see if any of the union groups associated with it creates a seminal unified political perspective against the status quo.

So far, there is no sense of sharing among those sliding into desperate circumstance. But sooner or later - that will change.....

I will admit, however, that NEITHER party is worth a shit. Let's face it, it does not matter which party gets in because either party will pull it's own stunts. Each party will approach the problems differently, and use the same old tricks to screw the taxpayer. Imagine senators, reps, and other gilded birds getting insurance policies that the rest of the taxpaying morons can't...this is pure arrogance. It sounds horribly trite, but we have to seize control over our reps in Washington. They are supposed to represent us, but campaign promises end up being mere drivel that leads to overbearing behavior and lifelong jobs for cats like Chris "The Dodger" Dodd. It's a big game, I can tell you it must be SWEET as constant Orgasms to be a Senator because those folks hang on to those jobs as if they were pure Nirvana. Any job that sweet should not,must not, be allowed to be a lifelong job.
Health care is far, far more than just insurance. This White House and Obama will exert controls way beyond what Americans will tolerate. I just don't like being ruled by an impostor like Obama. I detest that cat, I detest his supporting cast.

zzzzz, maybe you are right. We could solve unemployment overnight by assigning 100 lawyers to each person accused of a crime, or 100 social workers to each battered woman, or 100 accountants to each small business.

More government waste, just like guarding innocent people at Gitmo.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/19/terror/main4877395.shtml

Whatever you do, go to the Rolling Stone website and read Matt Taibbi's article 'Wall Street's Naked Swindle.' The Wall Street guys are now even allowed to counterfeit Treasury securities. No wonder some rich folks are starting to demand physical delivery of gold. Billions of counterfeited stocks and bonds that don't actually exist are being traded! We may not have to wait until my 'great peak oil demand destruction' hits for the economy to collapse with this kind of stuff going on. WARNING : You may need some medication after reading it.

"Typical liberal big government comment: zzzzz says to park someone somewhere..."

You're right. My bad. Bullet to head. Body to ditch.

Of course-why didn't anyone else think of this-just let them all go-they're innocent! And why you're at it-release all Blacks from prison-they're all innocent too. All the cops are criminals and all the sinners, saints. Like you said last week, so what if a Brother has to knock over a 7-11, it all belongs to him anyway. And if he feels like pistol whipping the White Clerk-well they had it coming for being White. Asoka, you are one of those people who never recovered from the sixties. Smoke some more dope, dope.

“If we ever pass out as a great nation we ought to put on our tombstone 'America died from a delusion that she had moral leadership'.”

Will Rogers

Jaego,

Now you are distorting. If you go back and look, I said it is "inexcusable" for a brother to knock off a 7-11.

Of course I never got over the 60's. Why would anyone want to get over enduring values like peace and love?

Sounds like you got co-opted by the Old Testament, eye-for-an-eye, violence is necessary, philosophy. How's that working out? Eight years of violence in Iraq and Afganistan doesn't seem to have been effective.

Peace and love would be a better strategy.

Hare Krishna!

TAT TVAM ASI

If you can't tell we're in step 3...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z635lZjLfkg

We were in stage one in 2008, then a wave of hope surged to defeat demoralization. A majority of the population voted for the "yes, we can!" candidate.

Then the Economic Recovery Act of 2009 passed and a new Great Depression was avoided. The DOW went back up to 10,000, consumer spending increased, and slowly employment started to increase.

Then health care reform passed all five committees, clearing the way for reform that has been over sixty years in coming. That will boost small business by taking the burden off them for health care and increase employment even more.

Wind farms and other forms of alternative energy and conservation are increasing at a rate not seen in the last eight years of the Bush/Cheney oil presidency.

We are not even in stage one. There is no Marxist-Leninist party, the professors are a figment of paranoid imaginations. There is no reason to believe the fear mongerers. Capitalism has not given way to Marxist economics in the United States. The sky will not fall with a public option for health care.

The video KGB guy must still an agent, a double agent, operating openly, now providing disinformation through YouTube.

It's a shame if people fall for it and actually feel afraid. Living in fear is not a nice way to live your life.

"It's a shame if people fall for it and actually feel afraid. Living in fear is not a nice way to live your life."

Do I look skeered? I rejoice at the collapse of this wicked ungodly system of lies, false hope and oppression. Everything is falling apart right on schedule.

God is using circumstances to bring His people to repentance. When we get our craw full of man-made politics, economics and religion {face up to the the failures} we will eventually change our minds. The question is, how much more will it take for people to get on their knees and confess to building idols of the Creator and His Laws?

"When people are truly obedient from the heart, God can heal their blindness without danger of those people rejecting the divine judgment. They will NOT join the carnal revolution and take up arms against those whom God has raised up to judge us. Instead, they will work to remove the CAUSES of divine judgment. They will present the Word of the Lord to the people until they repent of their own sin-{ lawlessnes 1John 3:4}-not the sin of the Babylonians.

1 Chron. 7:14 does NOT say, "If the Babylonians repent . . . then I will heal their land." It says "If MY PEOPLE."

This {end of} captivity does not depend upon what the Babylonians do. It will end only when the believers repent (a change of thinking) and come into obedience."

http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org/weblog/WebPosting.cfm?LogID=1423

The word repent comes from the Late Latin poenitēre which means to feel regret.

I do believe a majority of the USA population came to regret having elected Bush for two terms, and they did repent by voting in the national election for the "yes, we can!" candidate.

You want divine judgment, you want punishment, you want to receive your reward for cheering on the collapse of civilization.

And, yes, you live in fear of Islamic extremism and want to see Islamic fundamentalists killed.

Your ignore, nay, to take pleasure in the suffering of others you consider to be wicked.

Jesus said: "As you have done unto the least of these you have done unto me ..."

You should be loving all of God's creation, including the wicked and enemies like the Taliban extremists. You, however, seem happy to cheer on their death.

It's not just intent that's important, but the result of our actions on people. When you condemn homosexuals or "terrorists," you are dissing Jesus.

Good luck getting into heaven on that agenda.

Obviously, you did not read the link, and therefore don't know me at all.

Messianicdruid, you are right. I confused you with another poster.

I did not read the link carefully before posting and for that I apologize.

I went on to read other links on the site as well and I am pleased. As Rev. Jones says:

"true security lies not in weapons of war, but in enabling the poor, the vulnerable, the marginalized to flourish as beloved daughters and sons of God."

This, also, is my position and is why I support ACORN.

"But Esau is supposed to win his freedom in the end." Not "freedom" but "dominion" ie. rulership/birthright.

Esau asked for a blessing also. Isaac did give him some consolation, saying in verse Gen.27:40,

"And by your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve; but it shall come about when you become restless [Heb. rood, "to rule, tread down, have dominion, fight"], that you shall break his yoke from your neck." (NASB)

This tells us that Esau would ultimately have the dominion, or would rule, by his sword, by violence, treading down, and fighting.

Esau's descendants were conquered and absorbed into Jewry in 126 B.C., and for this reason, the Jews--particularly the Zionists--represent the Edomite [Idumean] faction within world Jewry. The first-century historian, Josephus, tells us in Antiquities of the Jews, XIII, ix, 1,

"Hyrcanus took also Dora and Marissa, cities of Idumea, and subdued all the Idumeans; and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would be circumcised, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision and the rest of the Jews' way of living; at which time, therefore, this befell them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews."

This is affirmed by the Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, under "Edom," which says, "They were then incorporated with the Jewish nation. . ." and again, "From this time the Idumeans ceased to be a separate people." Again, it {remember the source} reads, "Edom is in modern Jewry."

http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org/weblog/WebPosting.cfm?LogID=299

Hey, it ain't no thang!

'A man living in his car with a gun under his seat is angry, but will ultimately have no power'

Are you saying the DC sniper was powerless?
One car/ one gun crippling the capital of a supposedly MOST POWERFUL empire?

Oh.....wasnt lee or his mom a jamaican immigrant racist? do i have my words in line with the facts??????

In response to yr question last week:

Chemtrails...
go to prisonplanet.com and there do a search on chemtrails....you will see photos that are an accurate representation of what i see regularly in the skys of LA!

they sprayed again today around noon

I watched it at http://hitflix.net/watch-zombieland-online/ and it was probably one of the funniest movies i've seen all year.

I had to fill out a stupid survey but it worked and the movie was really good.

I watched it at http://hitflix.net/watch-zombieland-online/ and it was probably one of the funniest movies i've seen all year.

I had to fill out a stupid survey but it worked and the movie was really good.

The Guantanamo Prison is Zombieland, which zzzzzz calls "a stroke of genius"

**Guantanamo prison has become a recruiting poster for al Qaeda. Why on earth would we keep it open when there are alternatives?

**At Guanatanamo, we are spending between $400,000 and $520,00 per inmate. That’s many times the $75,000 that it costs to house an inmate at a super maximum security prision in the United States.

**No one has EVER escaped from a super maximum security prison.

Gen. Powell has said: "If it was up to me, I would close Guantanamo. Not tomorrow, but this afternoon. I'd close it."

His view is shared by Gen. Petraeus in equally strong terms: "We don't need it, and it's causing us far more damage than any good we get for it." Congress must not give in to the politics of fear.

I call on Congress to stand with President Obama and our military leaders to reject torture and support the closure of the Guantanamo Bay detention facility. The United States must once again be known as a champion of justice, human rights and the rule of law.

Utopianrobot, you're mistaken.

In a free market none of this would happen. There's nothing free about one entity putting a gun to anothers' head, taking their money, giving it to another, so that they can doll the money out in huge bonuses as they please. Don't mistake "free market" for what's actually happening. The very foundation of a free market is that if a business fails, it failed for a reason and needs to die, not be propped up with someone else's money. The people, by their own free will, decided that GM cars aren't good enough and needs to go away. That's free market. The government intervening and forcing people to buy into GM, isn't free market. It's something drastically different. We haven't had a true free market in decades.

The problem ultimately is a moral one: the people who are the most successful in the Free Market become rich and powerful. They will then use their power to end the Free Market-freezing things as they are with themselves on top. Thus the discipline of the Market becomes a weapon-something to get the other guy to submit to. The lesson to take away from the events of the last two years is that these guys have to be constantly watched and can never be trusted. If making money is the highest good, why not cheat to do it? The only sin in today business world is getting caught.

Nor does the Free Market work when interacting with other systems-we have destroyed ourselves in good capitalist fashion by trying to compete with coolie labor. As Pat Buchanon said, the Free Market is just another destructive ideology out of touch with the complexities of reality. And the Ammoralists clothe their filthy naked selves in these rags and parade as paragons of virtue-Thomas Friedman being a good example.

He was also a Muslim-a fact carefully deleted by the Media.

Remember Pelosi talking about violence a few weeks ago? Probably referring to the Icon Harvey Milk. But none of the SF Liberal Elite will even acknowledge the Zebra Murders-over 70 Whites were murdered-either as part of a Black Gang initiation or just outright genocide as has been repeatedly called for by Blacks-most recently during the Million Man March a few years ago.

Yes Asoka you are right: close it down, free all of these "innocent people" and send them to Afghanistan where they can continue their jihad. Or better yet, keep them here and send them to flight school.

The Moral Imperitive of Asoka and Obama: if it's bad for the West, it's a good idea or action. How else to interpret Asoka's a priori claim of their innocence? If they are let go without trial and they do in fact return to the jihad-Asoka and his ilk will bear some of the guilt. And statistics show that many of the ones released so far have returned to battle.

Remember those animals who crushed Reginald Denny's head during the LA riots? People gushed and gooed about the little Black Lambs-and they ended up with slaps on the wrist. Several of them returned to criminality upon release and one to murder. The blood of that victim is on the hands of every person who gushed and gooed-as well as the blood of Mr Denny who was denied justice for the permanent brain damadge he sustained.

Want to keep the Goldman Sacking of our economy from continuing? Put any firm that gets bailout money on the Government's own GS Pay Scale.

http://www.suburbanempire.com

the lowest paid employee gets $17,540
the highest paid employee gets $96,156

No exceptions, no bonuses...... and no need to reinvent the wheel.

Jaego said: "How else to interpret Asoka's a priori claim of their innocence?"

Nearly 800 detainees have been held in Guantánamo, the vast majority without charge or trial.

Only 3 detainees at Guantanamo have been convicted of any crime through the military commissions system.

So, your conclusion is correct, Jaego. The detainees at Gitmo are innocent and should be released immediately.

You like to trumpet Western civilization. Have you ever heard of habeas corpus?

HERE ARE THE THIRTY LEGISLATORS

http://www.republicansforrape.org/legislators/

BRAVE ENOUGH TO DEFEND RAPE

So have you heard this? Obama is planning on cutting the salaries of executives whose companies have yet to pay back the bailout funds.

Nice. It's a first step. But, really, in the end, big fuckin' deal. NONE of them -- even Goldman Sacks -- have paid all their TARP bailout back, not to mention all the Fed infusions courtesy of money printing. And, none, I repeat, none, are profitable.

Our banks, per the Comptroller of the Currency's recent report, have tens of trillions ($200 trillion in the case of JP Morgan) in off-balance sheet toxic derivatives. Bailouts No. 2, 3, 4, 5 .... will attempt to cover those bad bets, but it won't work.

So, Mr. Obama, instead of merely throwing us the bone, roll us some heads so we can feast on some banker brains -- zombie style.

Enforce anti-trust laws and put people in jail for fraud.

cowswithguns,

Banks are repaying, and taxpayers are making a profit:

"some of the largest bailout recipients have already repaid their TARP loans, plus interest. The upshot: taxpayers already have made more than $4 billion in profit on the reimbursements of just the eight largest banks which have repaid all their TARP and related loans entirely. It's earned another $2.2 billion from two institutions that have paid off their TARP funds, but still must repurchase warrants for stocks.

Goldman Sachs, for example, repaid a $10 billion TARP loan at a rate which earned the government $1.418 billion. The government earned $1.268 billion on Morgan Stanley's repayment of a $10 billion TARP loan. American Express' payoff of a $3.389 billion loan generated $414 million in U.S. profit. US Bancorp paid off a $6.6 billion loan, plus $334 million in interest. Repayments of TARP loans totaling $9.1 billion to four other large banks generated $651 million in government profits.

JPMorgan Chase paid off $25 billion in TARP money, generating a government profit of $1.932 billion. Capital One Financial repaid $3.550 billion, plus interest of $321 million. These two institutions are expected to generate additional government profits upwards of $3.1 billion when they buy back the warrants they issued to the government for stock purchases. The government purchased those warrants on low fixed prices for stocks which have soared in value as the banks' stock values have recovered.

In addition , the government has earned another $35 million from 14 smaller banks that also have repaid their TARP loans. The government is also due about $6.2 billion in interest from banks that have not yet paid off their TARP loans, but are expected to do so."

SOURCE: http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2009/sep/01/t1-payback-for-tarp-bailout/

People think the "BAILOUT" means giveaway, or gift, or money down a rathole. They are wrong.

Bailout was a temporary rescue, and is a money maker for the taxpayers.

Asoka,

To me, it seems you are being duplicitous when you say things like "JPMorgan Chase paid off $25 billion in TARP money, generating a government profit of $1.932 billion."

First off, no sane smart person denies that derivatives are largely responsible for the situation we find ourselves in. If that's the case, how can JP Morgan with $200 trillion (yes, TRILLION) in off-balance sheet toxic derivates even attempt to claim its making a profit, and therefore justify paying out HUGE bonues (and continue to do so since it would be exempt from Obama's executive paycutting plan)? Also, the banks that are in good standing haven't paid all the TARP back.

Secondly, I contend the bailout isn't just TARP. In addition to TARP there have been around $13 trillion in Federal Reserve actions -- largely their various facility programs, which basically give banks money -- over the past year and a half.

Thirdly, to think there's not going to be a fiscal blowback from the Federal Reserve actions is ridiculous. If, say, inflation comes because of this (which it very well could), I would say that constitutes a tax on the middle class and poor. And that would essentially amount to another round of bailouts.

The only way to solve all this is to bust up big banks, throw crooks in jail for fraud and outright ban most derivatives. It may be slower economic growth, sure, but I say that's a good thing.

How many more Wal-Marts do we really need?

Asoka,

I guess what I'm trying to say if the banks that have paid TARP back are using Federal Reserve infusions (also a bailout) to do so.

What a fake bullshit economy we have.

cowswithguns said: "I guess what I'm trying to say if the banks that have paid TARP back are using Federal Reserve infusions (also a bailout) to do so."

Thanks for the clarification. Yes, you are right, we are being ripped off big time.

Asoka - It's hard to tell if someone is being sarcastic in text, but anyway, another clarification regarding TARP funds. I did some research and realize I got ahead of myself. Though the TARP banks in question, as you said, may have paid the Treasury back, they still must buy back the stock purchase warrants they gave the government as part of the TARP deal. Therefore, the TARP isn't yet a done deal for them.

Regardless, we are being ripped off. There's too much toxic debt these companies are hiding and it's too confusing for most to understand.

Cowswithguns,

I am sincere in saying you are right. I also forget how plain text lends itself to misinterpretation.

I will be more descriptive and put some emotion into it.

[sarcasm off]Thanks for the clarification. You are right! We are being ripped off big time! [sarcasm still off]

:) smiley face

"I call on Congress to stand with President Obama and our military leaders to reject torture and support the closure of the Guantanamo Bay detention facility."

I'm certain Congress is waiting for your call. (MORON)

Hey MORON,

J.P Morgan does not have 200 Trillion (YES TRILLION) in toxic derivatives. Since you got this number so incredibly WRONG I surmise the rest of your ranting is based on....nothing. So, you may ask? So, SHUT THE FUCK UP, MORON! Read on:

This from the Comptroller of the Currency
Administrator of National Banks:

"The notional value of derivatives held by U.S. commercial banks increased $1.6 trillion in the first
quarter (2009), or 1%, to $202.0 trillion, due to the continued migration of investment bank derivatives
business into the commercial banking system."

That is 202 Trillion for ALL U.S. commercial banks. That is all, MORON.

I don't know how Elizabeth Warren got into the Obama administration, but she seems honest and down to earth in her comments.

She was interviewed by Michael Moore for his movie, CAPITALISM: A LOVE STORY.

Moore ends by professing his belief that the financial crisis and the ensuing solutions prove that not only is our current system immoral but also that it does not work.

Warren grimaces but does not disagree directly with Moore. Instead she takes a different approach:

But we made up these rules. The rules are of men, of people. We pick what the rules are. The rules have not been written for ordinary families, for the people who actually do the work. We have to rewrite those rules.

Asoka we are entering a fuzzy math boundary here. Our laws were designed for our country, both civil and criminal. When you start to apply them to foreign maybe terrorists then the fuzziness starts obscuring things.

Our domestic laws don'treally apply and neither do military tribunals set up for military and war issues. There really is no proper court for these people nor well thought out laws for them. That is the problem.

We are in la-la land with them and so Cuba was chosen as the place for them. Guantanamo is la-la land.

This is why psychoanalysis first addresses acting out problems. It is necessary to think of all consequences when one initiates action. Our culture does not encourage this. And our govt does not even pretend to do it.

Zzzzzzz.... (who would take a bullet to the brain if Goldman Sachs and Glen Beck said to do so)

I apologize, you are right. I was reading things wrong. According to the report, JP Morgan has $81 trillion (TRILLION) in off-balance sheet derivates per the report, NOT $200,000 (the small print made the dollar sign look like a "1"). Also, the top 25 banks and bank holding companies have $291 Trillion in off-balance sheet derivative contracts.

Those figures still look pretty bad to me. Read for yourself in the comptroller's report -- page 23:


www.occ.treas.gov/ftp/release/2009-72a.pdf

Shit, I can't type today. I meant 200 trillion not 200,000 in my above post.

Anyway, again, check out page 23 -- www.occ.treas.gov/ftp/release/2009-72a.pdf

The try to hide this stuff when talking to the pundits.

The Chinese would have executed all these guys by now. the one responsible for putting melamine in the pet food that killed all those pets was executed. He ruined their pet exporting business. No one who cares will buy anything with ingredients from China. IAMS still has not recovered.

So China is again laughing at us and our archaic laws. Our laws won't work with psychopaths. And the Wall St guys are psychopaths and need to be labeled as such. Who wants to buy American debt instruments now? Step up and order yours right now!

A recap of what essentially just happened:

Cowswithguns: 80 million people were killed in WWII

Zzzzzz....: You fucking idiot, only 50 million people were killed. You make it sound like it was a big deal or something.

My fuzzy math aside, the derivative stuff is still a disaster waiting to happen, whether it's a $400 Trillion market or a $291 Trillion one.

I agree with you that when the numbers get into the realm of fantasy a few hundred here or there makes no difference.

But zzzzzx is tuned into the thinking of the right wing which debates trivia as if it were the important factor in everything.

Hey let's talk some more about Kate and Jon or the Balloon Boy as they are what is really important in our lives.

And why congress dares to debate health care costs when every time they do they could be silenced with 10 billion a month for Iraq and they didn't even study that issue before they voted let alone deliberate for a year.

Oh excuse me it hasn't been a complete year, has it? But if I count the Clinton fiasco it does add up to more than a year, doesn't it?

Wow. Asoka is still an asswipe, still posting on this site. Dude, maybe I can get through to you: You are no national treasure.

Jim, you may need to shut down the comments section. They are now officially part of the problem. People come here and let off steam commenting, arguing with each other, laboring under the delusion that they are accomplishing something when in fact they are rehashing the same ole sh!t, day in and day out. Your comments section is the circus part of "bread and circuses." There ain't even bread here. The show sucks.

Don't you get it? We are all Zombies now.

Great explanation by Abbey: zzzzzx is tuned into the thinking of the right wing which debates trivia as if it were the important factor in everything.

Right on. Hence, that's why we have Fox News focusing on Acorn or whether Obama is a secret Muslim instead of the multi-trillion-dollar derivatives market, etc.

There are plenty of good reasons to criticize Obama and the Democrats, but, sadly, the right latches on to the dumbest, most-trivial shit.

Wow. Asoka is still an asswipe, still posting on this site. Dude, maybe I can get through to you: You are no national treasure.

Jim, you may need to shut down the comments section. They are now officially part of the problem. People come here and let off steam commenting, arguing with each other, laboring under the delusion that they are accomplishing something when in fact they are rehashing the same ole sh!t, day in and day out. Your comments section is the circus part of "bread and circuses." There ain't even bread here. The show sucks.

Don't you get it? We are all Zombies now.

POB said: "Dude, maybe I can get through to you: You are no national treasure."

Say what? What is your source?

Such a contribution you have made to JHK's comments section! You are a national treasure!

O go read anything by this woman whos brother died in 9.11

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The other day I watched Wolf Blitzer's Situation Room for the first time in about a year. I was in a waiting room.

Whenever he began a puffed up comment on something the screen was sliced into about 6 to 8 little bitty screens where different stuff was going on.

So I said out loud (I do this often on various things) that now our children were being trained to be ADD's, how's that folks!

Children watching TV are now taught to split their consciousness and already about 10 seconds is the max attention span.

Hey, more Ritalin here, yes, over here!

Newsweek..maybe this weeks has an absurd piece on its last page
no..not ' how racist is yr baby'..thats yesterday
its this factually incorrect piece called:
WHERE DO BABIES COME FROM?????

and claims each year China adds 1%..yes 1% to the worlds population increase..at elast thats what i infer from the article...so i went to the computer and got the facts...far as i can tell each year china adds maybe 20 million...25% OF THE 80 MILLION MORE ADDED TO WORLDS POPULATION

also its very sanguine with USAs being the most fertile of the 'rich' nations...but adds that almost 50% on new babes in usa are to unwed moms!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


here are facts gleaned elsewhere
there are more muslims in germany/france than in lebanon
1 in 4 or 5 on planet are muslim
sauds birthrate has dropped from higest or nearly highest to 2 CHILDREN PER FAMILY...!!!!!!!!!!!

there are more boys under 5 in India than the total population of France or Gernamy!..and india has apparently highest 'sex abortion'....less girls there than in china...% wise

also Js..did you know when US was fighting Desertstorm RAHMBO was a congressman here...he went to the middle east...to fight for Israel during that time...whats he doin in the whitehouse? and whats his brother up to?

MAMA'We are all Zombies now'

ONLY IF YOU BUY INTO WHAT THE MEDIA AND ITS PUPPET THE GOVT SAY

Warren is just a real person. We are not used to seeing real people being asked something on TV. Most of them just give us their Professional Smiles and teleprompter talk.

I also said out loud the other day listening and watching to Wolfie boy.

Imagine going to university just so you can read a teleprompter into a camera. Now that's a good use of a college degree. Go back to school kids, get your degree, so you can read a teleprompter into a camera. What a great future goal! I mean if I were a young person I would really be inspired to have a life goal like that, wouldn't you?

Reading too much David Foster Wallace.

I AM HIS SOURCE

SO THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what about the 'children' of gavin and nancy p?
I take it youve been hearing about the sanctuary city policies...a bunch of crack dealer illegals that were put in a group home..and walked away

according to radio gavin adnauseum refer to these 27 year olds as ' children'

of course a sanctuary city is a gang haven
ITS LIKE YELLING RAPE ME to a gang....would a wet back head to Pheonix or sf? to gavins loving arms or sheriff arapayo [?]

there was an absurd cover story recently on the sheriff...it was on the cover of NY magazine...really absurd!

asia said: "I AM HIS SOURCE"

And I am a national treasure. So there!!!!!

"I'm certain Congress is waiting for your call. (MORON)"

Why do you even fctking try?

ZsaZsa
oEO

How many years has this shit with Ass-soak-ya been going on? I was here back in May 2007 and it was happening then. Dude, I'm here to rescue you. No one is changing anyone. He is an obvious duplicitous, no integrity, fcuktard who hides behind other people's skirts for self defense. He is a weasel. You are wasting your life. Get out and live. Give people the credit for being able to see him for the Obama butt licking, JPMorgan loving, creature he seems to have become. He's like Gollum or something and he has drawn you into a forever battle that will never end unless you save yourself now.

Just sayin.

You are too good for this.

Seriously.

POB said: "I was here back in May 2007 "

Dude, how many years have you been waiting for TSTHTF? Back in May 2007 JHK wrote this:

"I got a letter last week from a reader complaining bitterly that the stock market hasn't crashed and blaming me for predicting that it would. He didn't say, but I hope he hadn't been out there on a shorting spree. In case any of you haven't noticed, 2007 is not over yet."

Since you haven't been here for a while I'll bring you up to date. I have already announced I am leaving CFN in 12 years (I expect Obama will have three terms), if TSHTF hasn't happened in 12 years.

Meanwhile, enjoy the weekly predictions related to peak oil, bloodshed in the Hamptons by angry citizens armed with pitchforks, the dow industrial average below 4,000 and the appearance of empty shelves in WalMart and the end of NASCAR. And if that doesn't get you, then there is always swine flu, bird flu, or whatever the pandemic of the week is, or World War III when Israel attacks Iran (that has been predicted for years now, too) or when Al Qaeda strikes the USA again. And if none of that happens, there is always a new Hurrican Katrina, or a draught, or a cold winter or a hot summer... I mean there is always something of interest being predicted here and plenty, plenty, plenty, to be afraid of.

So, be afraid. Be very afraid.

And welcome back! ... even if you are hiding behind a new name.

"My fuzzy math aside, the derivative stuff is still a disaster waiting to happen, whether it's a $400 Trillion market or a $291 Trillion one."

Hey fucktard, if you want to have any credibility you can't just make fucking shit up and then when called on it come back with something lame like, "Well all of my sources were wrong but "Houston we have a problem." Facts and figures matter. When they no longer do you are dealing exclusively in lies. Not SHUT THE FUCK UP.

POB,

Where ya been ya lazy ass?

zzzzzz said: "if you want to have any credibility you can't just make fucking shit up..."

That is rich coming from you. Making things up is a habit of the Pentagon, Fox News, and others you support and give credibility to:

Pentagon lies about Gulf of Tonkin attack

Bush lies about weapons of mass destruction

CNN calls Fox out on distorting... not reporting.

Fox lies about Jennings

Fox lies about White House official working for ACORN

Fox lies about another ACORN employee

Fox news lies on Obama's stance on terrorism

According to a new survey, the number of Americans who believe that climate change is connected to human-caused pollution (AKA Global Warming) is at its lowest point in three years. Only 57% of Americans now believe this inconvenient truth -- down from 77% in 2006, when Al Gore's film was released.

Maybe this disturbing trend is due to climate lobbyists and certain conservative politicians and pundits going all out for years now, trying to persuade the public that the growing mountain of scientific evidence supporting global warming is FAKE. Says climate professor Andrew Weaver, "It's a combination of poor communication by scientists, a lousy summer in the Eastern United States, people mixing up weather and climate and a full-court press by public relations firms and lobby groups trying to instill a sense of uncertainty and confusion in the public."

Conservatives make up fake threats all the time, for example this one:

We need to deprive al-Qa'ida of military bases in Afghanistan, or they will use them to plot attacks against us, and we will face 9/11 redux.

In fact, virtually all the jihadi attacks against Western countries have been planned in those Western countries themselves, and required extremely limited technological capabilities or training.

The 9/11 atrocities were planned in Hamburg and Florida by 19 Saudis who only needed to know how to use box-cutters and to crash a plane.

The 7/7 suicide-murders were planned in Yorkshire by young British men who learned how to make bombs off the Internet.

Only last week, a jihadi was arrested for plotting to blow up a skyscraper in that notorious jihadi base, Dallas, Texas.

And on, and on.

In reality, there are almost no al-Qa'ida fighters in Afghanistan. That's not my view: it's that of General Jim Jones, the US National Security Advisor.

So basically, your arguement is that since these folks have (in your estimation) lied it is okay for you to.

Riiiight.

Lots of integrity there.

And if you did not mean that, then you meant what exactly... don't pay attention to my errors, hey here look at this-->Deflection.

Hope it buys you time to think of something that isn't so focking lame.

Zombie banks, zombie subdivisions, zombie stripmalls, zombie car companies, zombie schools, zombie economy. With the rapid onset aging of our population, soon enough we'll be up to our ears in zombie old people.

Nothing is really going to happen anyway unless it's a false flag event perpetrated by our own zombie government. And again, by the time that happens, the contract riot cops will be all suited up, full clips bristling, armed with no-knock warrants and ammo belts filled with armor piercing rounds. Look at Detroit, Pittsburgh G20, and Fallout 3 on your kid's XBOX for a glimpse of the future. See you guys at the FEMA camp. Think they'll have cable and Red Bull??

the downtrodden of america will rise up against wall street? it didn't happen in the 1930s; peasant revolts aren't part of our cultural dna.

the 1960s were perhaps the highpoint of organized rebellion on behalf of "the people," but really, after all was said and done, the political violence hardly equaled the run of the mill psychopath-with-a-gun toll with wh we are so much more familiar.

conceivably, goldman et al are now at greater risk from a well-armed unemployed handyman, but, as you'd expect with all that money, they've pretty sophisticated security. failing that, they surely can expect a quick response from new york's finest.

as with zombies, righteous citizens aren't much of a threat unless they're organized, funded, and intelligently directed. say what you will about america's money center banks, they epitomize the traits that populist movements lack.

"So China is again laughing at us and our archaic laws. Our laws won't work with psychopaths."

Our ancient laws would work fine, if we would take them off the coffee table, blow all the dust off them and start believing {by-living} them.

It is our so-called modern man-made "rules" that are making us fools.

"For what great nation is there that has God so near to it, as YHWH our God is to us, for whatever reason we may call upon Him? And what great nation is there that has such statutes and righteous judgments as are in all this law which I set before you this day?"

We have turned our back on Him, and He is giving us a taste of what it is like to be alone. Idiots.

"But Senator Joyce insisted yesterday that the dangers to the global economy from the run-up in US private and public sector debt were real and should be debated.

''It is the elephant in the room,'' Senator Joyce told The Age. ''This is a huge risk that Australia faces. What is the game plan, what happens if it comes unstuck?

''Far from turning around the [George] Bush legacy of deficits and debt, [US president Barack] Obama has made it worse. It has got all the hallmarks of a financial collapse about to happen in America.''

Senator Joyce said investor concerns about the American Government's ability to fund its deficits were already undermining the role of the US dollar in the international trading and financial system.

''The US dollar is almost becoming like junk bonds,'' he said.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/joyce-warns-of-bigger-gfc-20091022-hbg6.html

Save your change. If the Amero is introduced at a ten for one ratio, they will not be able to convert all the coins.

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zzzzzz said: "if you want to have any credibility you can't just make fucking shit up..."

That is rich coming from you."

Hey, asoka-your-pants,

I was addressing CowsGoneWild. He was making shit up. You point out an example where I have made something up.

Furthermore asoka-the-taxpayers you cite the following:


"Bush lies about weapons of mass destruction."

He did not. This has been refuted ad infinitum. The intelligence agencies of the U.S., England, France, Russia, Israel and Germany all believed that Saddam had WMD. There are almost an infinite number of Democratic elected officials who at the time are on record saying they believed Saddam had WMD. They were all wrong. Being wrong does not make one a liar.

"CNN calls Fox out on distorting... not reporting."

What the fuck kind of statement is this? Some details please.

"Fox lies about Jennings"

Need some details

"Fox lies about White House official working for ACORN"

We know Obama did some legal work in representing ACORN. Which official are you referring to?

"Fox lies about another ACORN employee"

Wow there is a strong accusation. Details please?

"Fox news lies on Obama's stance on terrorism"

Really? Which stance is that? What was Fox's lie?

You throw this weak shit out without any details or facts. We're to take you word that these are actual events? I discredited your first charge in that that is so well documented that it is laughable. The rest are so weak and lacking in details that they can't be proven or disavowed. They are lacking in sustance...like you.

"You point out an example where I have made something up." ---- Parrot Boy
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Can't...."making stuff up" requires at least a little imagination and creativity. Your "talent" is for repeating shit other people make up.

Curiously, you leave out the lies Obummer has already foisted upon the American public. Why is this so?
You picked the wrong horse for the wrong job. I want a president, not an Emperor. The O-man has glorious delusions of being a lifetime ruler.

Read Alinsky yet? I think you'd like him. You'd also, in a rare moment of honesty, realize Obama has patterned his way of "governing" right after Saul.

The suckasses in the media who adored Obama don't lie, do they? Naw, never happen, right? Must be nice to be one sided.

Maturity comes for Americans when they realize the folks down in DC are doin' their thing, not our thing. Each president gets a his own special woodie over some project, war, program, hunch, etc. Then, he goes in full bore, thanks to taxation of Americans. It's a great life.

Things be great only if you don't disagree with the man, the Kingfish.

OK, zzzz, let's take them one at a time. First, Bush lies about WMD. Here are the details:

On Sept. 18, 2002, CIA director George Tenet briefed President Bush in the Oval Office on top-secret intelligence that Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction. Members of Congress were not so briefed.

Bush dismissed as worthless this information (from the Iraqi foreign minister, a member of Saddam's inner circle), although it turned out to be accurate in every detail. Tenet never brought it up again and it was not included in the NIE.

WMD was an excuse. Bush had plans to invade Iraq before 9/11 happened.

Your turn.

"Thought crime was not a thing that could be concealed forever. You might dodge successfully for awhile...but sooner or later they were bound to get you." George Orwell, 1984

"The fact is we are witnessing an all-out drive to impose thought control that seeks to ban the ability---the right---to think or speak for one's self. Thinking is becoming a crime." (Globally Acceptable Truth and the Crime of Thinking, Tom DeWeese, Address to the 10th Annual Freedom 21 Conference, 10/16/09)

In an article entitled “Dems Undermine Free Speech in Hate Crimes Ploy,” the Washington Examiner exposes the insidious machinations of House statists in their determination to impose totalitarian hate crime laws upon the American people. Hate crime laws do much more than undermine free speech however, for in that what one says is the result of what first takes place in the mind, hate crime laws are mind-control devices. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2361178/posts

Hate crime laws are not just alien to America’s traditional Christian-based worldview, but in violent opposition to it.

http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=418111

Instructions:

1. Read following

2. Shut FUCKING POLE-HOLE

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (d, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is useing and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002,

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.

And once again, fuckstick, all Saddam needed to do was open up the doors and let the inspectors in. Seventeen U.N. (that I have no respect for but you seem to love) sanctions were ignored by Saddam. We didn't even need WMD's to justify going into Iraq. His having ignored the conditions of his surrender at the conclusion of the Gulf War were reason enough.

Standing in the ruins of 9/11 Bush concluded he was not going to err on the side of waiting for the next shoe to drop. In his and other's minds there was adequate evidence that Saddam was up to no good. He was right. You are wrong.

To Zzzzzz.... a True Believer who is either too dense to understand that he's being raped by his financial heroes on Wall Street, or is their PR shill:

The 2nd Quarter '09 Comptroller's report does not lie.

Go to http://www.occ.treas.gov/deriv/deriv.htm; click on second quarter '09; and go to page 23.

It says -- no editorializing needed -- the top 25 US banks have $291 trillion (TRILLION) in off-balance sheet derivatives.

Don't blame the Muslims, etc. for that.


zzzzz,

You are wasting your time quoting all those folks from the 1990's. Saddam disarmed as the UN pressured him to do. Sadaam provided 12,000 pages documenting the fact that he disarmed, and everybody said Sadaam was lying. Turns out Sadaam was the one telling the truth.

Bush ignored the facts and knew the truth. But he continued to lie about WMD.

"In September 2002, the Pentagon’s Defense Intelligence Agency concluded “there is no reliable information on whether Iraq is producing or stockpiling chemical weapons.”

Treasury Secretary O’Neil, who was a member of the National Security Council, stated he “never saw anything I would characterize as evidence of weapons of mass destruction.”

"To Zzzzzz.... a True Believer who is either too dense to understand that he's being raped by his financial heroes on Wall Street..."


Hmmm. I'm up 32% YTD. I'll sign up for that type of raping any day of the week. I'm sorry you are too stupid or timid to participate in the market rally that has occurred in 09. I think your term "too dense to understand" may be a self inflicted handicap.

By the way, CowsWithoutNuts, if you think the financial community has been dishing out rapings, you haven't been reading about our current administration. At least Madoff was smart enough to use foreplay and vaseline. These idiots in the Obama Admin are trying insults and chainsaws. It will not end nicely.

"In September 2002, the Pentagon’s Defense Intelligence Agency concluded “there is no reliable information on whether Iraq is producing or stockpiling chemical weapons.”

Fine. So all Saddam need do was open the door. He did not and would not. There had been enough prior intel that led Bush and hundreds of others from this country and others to believe that Saddam was up to no good. Bush concluded after 9/11 he could not trust Saddams ACTIONS (as in "actions speak louder than words"). Sorry, asoka-your-pants, Saddam was a bit like you in that he was a lying fuckwad. He played a lying fuckwads hand. He lost. Boo hoo.

"It says -- no editorializing needed -- the top 25 US banks have $291 trillion (TRILLION) in off-balance sheet derivatives."

So what the fuck is your point you MORON. I am the one that directed you to this study. The reason I did is that you were attributing 200 trillion to a single bank. You were wrong. You are a MORON and you continue to prove it from keystrokes of your own making.

Zzzz...the stock market rally is good only if you got in when the Dow tanked; if you got in, as many clueless middle class Americans did, when it was above 10,000, it's not that great.

Regarding Obama, he is a disappointment. I was hoping he would be a trust-buster and be throwing your Wall Street heroes in jail left and right by now. He's the best friend you and they have really.

Every big bank executive officer who participated in the fake-wealth-creating real-wealth-destroying derivative scam is a big Bernie Madoff as far as fraud laws are concerned. Obama needs to enforce those laws. And Congress needs to ban certain derivatives -- starting with the naked credit default swap.

I'm posting this again as my link above doesn't seem to work.

http://www.occ.treas.gov/deriv/deriv.htm

Go to Second quarter '09 report and go to page 23

zzzzzzz said: "He lost. Boo hoo."

Yeah, to think Saddam could have become a motivational speaker, charging a $19.95 entrance fee, like Bush.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6887866.ece

Talk about losers.

zzzzzzz said: "He lost. Boo hoo."

Yeah, to think Saddam could have become a motivational speaker, charging a $19.95 entrance fee, like Bush.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6887866.ece

Talk about losers.

i have just returned from a visit to the US where I attended a conference in Washington relating to technology and the government stimulus package. I was astonished by the level of anti government feeling, which I would describe as rabid. What I hear and read time and time again is the same old dogma - keep the government out of the economy and leave private enterprise alone. This dogma states that private enterprise alone can supply the answers to the mess that America is in. It is the same dogma and hysteria that perverts most of the debate that I have seen on the healthcare problem. What is astonishing is that the US has had ultra pro business governments since Reagan - ie for the last 30 years, even Clinton was pro business. Yet still we hear the same anti government pro business hysteria. It's a little like hearing young East Europeans going on about the threat of Jews. It means nothing to them that they have never personally seen a jew, or since the 2nd world war few of them exist in their country. ! I fear that a large section of the US has been brainwashed. Yes, business is a great liberator but the US is a country where the concentration of wealth is back to where it was in 1928, a place where the average American has not prospered for over a decade - yet still this garbage about the sanctity of business and the evilness of government is spouted by so many. This anti government feeling goes beyond the cynicism that Europeans feel about their rulers, it is closer to nihilism, it is becoming a dangerous ideology that I feel will lead to the violence you suggest.
When the great American people wake up to the fact that many of their business leaders are crooks, who have been hiding behind cant and lies, such as the market always knows whats best, something truly horrible will happen.

How do you feel about Internet neutrality, Asoka? How do you feel about freedom of speech? How do you feel about your retard President (oops,president) either pleading amnesia or knowing nothing about freakshows like Van Jones and the machinations of the new executive pay czar? You are ecstatic that a black man is President, but are you willing to accept the other fuckups this schmo is pulling just because a man of color is president and that's enough? How long will 2008 Obama voters stay with their guy? Will there be the same degree of elation the second time around? It's one thing to stick with a guy because he's of color, like 95% of black voters did in '08, all for good reasons, of course, but is this not racism plain and simple?

I was not aware that people of color would necessarily vote for Commies, but are they voting Obama just because he shoots a few hoops from time to time? Is that all it takes?

The house of cards is unraveling. Fast talk Obama will soon hit the wall and his brand of bullshit won't suffice except for Latinos and people of color. Oh, this loyalty is so wonderful, isn't it? Folks sticking together sounds so great.

In reality, it's the stupidest thing because Obama is an equal opportunity screwer and as long as you wish to agree with him, he's yo' friend. But, disagree with the man and you are sternly rebuked by this guy who has the "most Transparent Administration in history". Hey, if you can justify sticking by this zero, more power to you. I wouldn't vote for a person of my nationality just because of his ethnicity, but people of color would. What does this make them?

Teams with 85% players being of color is patently absurd and probably illegal. I'd favor a more representative team racial balance. Perhaps Sotomayor could help us achieve racial justice.

There are laws on the books that regulate business and industry. Our genius here is "reinterpretation" of laws, that is, wanting to remake the Constitution because "times have changed" and we need to reconsider freedom of speech by Internet regulation and media coercions. Nobody living here would tell you we are free of corruption. There are many statistics that show the average worker here has fallen behind in wages and benefits. Were government not in bed with industry, the right industry, many of these problems would be rectified.
The changes from the Bush administration to the Obama Klan are severe but both administrations are guilty of spendthrift spending and the cozy relationships between the right industries and government. Money is god here and the gap between the lower classes and the ruling potentates widens yearly. I don't see where corrupt government would provide answers for such questions.
European countries have some serious problems with Muslims now. There are freedom of speech issues in many countries. To say European countries are ahead of the US per se is sheer folly. I see little to admire of Europe, and can assure you that we are very much attuned to the fact we have many Trojan Horses extant. And, the one in the White House now is in our sights, figuratively speaking, and we are "working on him now". See, he is a Communist, and he feels it is wonderful....as long as you are the head commie. When my government thinks about forcing things down my throat, threatens to rob me of free speech, and makes threats about mandatory vaccine injections, etc, well, I am here to tell you we will fight them on the beaches, in the air and on the ground....but, as we are losing our ethic heritage by reckless immigration insanities, we have to act now before the voting majority swings over to recent immigrants. We will become another banana republic in 1-2 generations, hardly a great future to look forward to....

'Seventeen U.N. (that I have no respect for ..'
of course As loves them...A government for a world w/o borders and a bountiful future!

but heres somethin buried away in this weeks TIMES...CHINA BUYING LEASES ON GULF OF MEXICO OIL..oil is in US waters but leases are norweigan owned and chinas buying in a bold move...

O..clinton promised us a bright GATT NAFTA RED CHINESE FUTURE...RIGHT Assjoker??

I was here back in May 2007 and it was happening then.

ISNT THE COMMENTS SECTION ONLY A YEAR OLD?

Nay the tale grow worse. Only Conservatives know about, care about, or care to know about the Constitution. and only Liberals know about, care about, or care to know about the Environment. And the two big minority groups, Blacks and Hispanics, neither care or know about either one. They only care about what's good for their group in terms of benefits and jobs. All of this means we are screwed beyond hope. The race between utopia and catastrophe was lost long ago. In fact, given the nature of fallen man, utopia never had a chance.

Yes, I did know that. Rahmbo is a Zionist and transcends our categories of Left or Right. In the past, he has manifested as an extreme Liberal. Tomorrow he may be a Conservative. It doesn't matter because he doesn't believe any of that crap. He's a Zionist. His Frankenstein Brother wants to get Whites to stop reproducing all entirely and just let Hispanics do it for us. But then, it wont be us anymore...Of course, Conservatives think that there are no limits and we should have a billion people in the US alone. Bunch of religious bozos. If they hadn't opened our borders, we'd have a neat 200 million people here-90% White. A stable population maintained by Women having 2 to 3 kids each. None of this eco-cide yourself for the planet or breed until your wife's ovaries fall out.

bahmi said: "Teams with 85% players being of color is patently absurd and probably illegal. I'd favor a more representative team racial balance."

What I think, since you asked, is that members of Congress should be equally representative: 50% men and 50% women, to represent the general population.

Jaego said: "A stable population maintained by Women having 2 to 3 kids each."

Yeah, and if only Reagan hadn't started busting up the unions, and Clinton hadn't signed NAFTA and Bush hadn't shipped the factories to China.

Then we would have the 1950's where a man with a union job could earn enough to pay for a house, car, and family and the woman could stay home to raise the kids and cook, in the kitchen where she belongs.

But, no, now we have minimum wage gigs in WalMart and McDonalds, because the unions have been busted.

To Bahmi: Good point. I agree that because Obama is black, some progressives are willing to let him slide. I think if McCain were president now and doing exactly the same thing as Obama, he'd be getting beat up by the left pretty badly. Obama had an unprecidented opportunity to reform the system, but he has so far chosen the status quo instead -- I don't care what Glen Beck says. Obama should be publicly talking about derivatives -- specifically -- every day and pushing Congress to outlaw them. Nothing else matters at this point. The worldwide derivatives market nears $700 trillion and can take everything down if not addressed.

To Asoka, who said: "Then we would have the 1950's where a man with a union job could earn enough to pay for a house, car, and family and the woman could stay home to raise the kids and cook, in the kitchen where she belongs."

Nice. I would add that the situation, by forcing workers here to compete with Third-World workers abroad, resulted in employers bringing in people from the Third World (Northern Mexico) here.

Essentially, we can thank Reaganomics for an influx of immigrants and the decemination of the blue-collar legacy of the United States.

Thanks Ronnie.

I agree Asoka. The Unions did great work-gave us the 40 hour week. These bastards wouldhave little kids working 70 hours a week if it profits them. But the only way back to Norman Rockwell's America is through Commander Rockwell or men like him. It's late in the day-shadows are already growing long and the sun disappearing behind the buildings and trees. The Night is almost here. Unspeakable deeds will be done the in the darkness and even worse by the light of the moon. Whites will grow fangs and fur. The minorities used to preying on us will be be amazed at the transformation. Nothing on Earth is more terrifying than White Men with their backs against the wall and White Women protecting their children. Vampires and Werewolves are a fit representation.

Jaego said: "The minorities used to preying on us will be be amazed at the transformation."

[sarcasm on]
Yes, damned minorities who went to Europe, enslaved the White man, brought the White man here in chains, forced him to work, and now continue preying upon the White man.

No more will they terrorize the White Man and humiliate him by sleeping with the White Woman.

The minorities will get their due, under the light of the moon, when the White man remembers his Klan past and rises once again.[sarcasm off]

Thought crime is alive and well right here and now. If you assess child porn on your computer you can be prosecuted and sent to jail for doing so. No other action is necessary to convict you. No touching, abuse or anything need occur.

I find this utterly unconstitutional. And the ones convicted say they deserved it. Ayn Rand's The Sanction of the Victim here.

I guess if Iook at or buy Darter's art book that would count too. All his art is little girl perversion. Or maybe just misplaced love.

And Lewis Carroll and Alice. Oh my!

Still drinking the Koolade I see.

Scott Ritter, one of the inspectors, gave a talk in little old Springfield Mo just before and said the WMD weren't there.

All your examples are ass covering.

Now you expect an insane psychopath like Saddam to act rationally? Let them in? When he crossed the line in the sand? He wanted destruction. Just like Garrido in taking his daughters to the U of CA campus and then bringing them and Jcee to the parole officer's office. He was begging to be caught and stopped and so was Saddam.

All unconscious motivation of course. Do you know about that?

That's the past man. For the last fifty years it's been a war against the Whites by the Blacks. Two wrongs don't make a right. Plus you and other Blacks still haven't owned up to the role Blacks played in slavery-as the seller. If you hate slavery so much, go over there and piss ont the graves of the Black Men who sold your ancestors. And while you're over there-stay over there. All your life you've guilt tripped Whites-even though most of your friends have been White. It's unbalanced, man. Yo need to get some appreciation for the people you lived with and who have given you everything. You could have gone to Africa long ago, but you stayed with Whites. You voted with your feet yo.

Excuse me, I gotta go. I haven't had a drink since the Battle of Shiloh.

Phil Garrido said that this would turn out to be a very heartwarming story for America. He was right-but perhaps not about his role in it. As for bringing them to the campus-yeah I think you may be right. Just as good men are tempted by evil, evil men are tempted by good. What kind of fliers were they passing out?

How come you never talk about Elizabeth Smart? Too Mormon? There is a Mormon Prophecy that that when the Republic is hanging by a thread, the Mormons will save it. Glenn Beck may be trying to fufill this. He is a Mormon. We could do worse-but he is at best a fore runner. He is not the One-the man on the White Horse who will lead us to Freedom.

In any case, she has come through her ideal with flying colors. A very self possesed young woman-she acquited herself very well in court two weeks ago.

You seem obsessed with this motif-just as Mary Renault was obsessed with Male Homosexual Love. A fag hag in other words. I remember reading in the Anarchist Journal an article about people who felt enriched by being the victims of pedophillia. They prided themselves on presenting the alternate point of view-a journal of desire armed as they used to say. I would have loved to have been seduced by a female teacher when I was in high school. But things are different for boys and girls-a truth completely forbidden in today's society.

As for mid 20th century pot boilers written by women-I prefer Taylor Caldwell to Mary Renault. She did some nice ones about New Testament Characters, a good one about the end of Atlantis, and an interesting soliloquy by Lucifer in his battle against God.

As Taylor said, before the end comes men become emasculated and women try to become men. It always works this way. Always. It is described in the ancient fin de siecle writings of China.

Jaego said: "And while you're over there [in Africa] -- stay over there... You voted with your feet yo."

We own this country now. We have one of our own as President.

Why don't you go back to Eastern Europe and stay over there?

"We own this country now." The Prosecution rests.

There you have it gentlemen,
What more evidence do you need?
Judas thank you for the victim-*
Stay around a while and watch him bleed!

*Asoka-a self conscious victim, Christ figure of his own life. In other words, a professional Negro. Not a Negro Professional-I have no problem with those. I had a Negro doctor assigned to me once-a nice guy. He cleaned out my ears and stopped the ringing. Of course, until affirmative action ends, I will avoid Black Professionals as best I can. And even after, I will still prefer to do business with those of my own race-as is natural, as is my right. Chinese people look over the heads of everyone to do business with each other. No one blames them. Why pick on an imporverished, dying, betrayed ethne like White Americans?

His Frankenstein Brother wants to get Whites to stop reproducing all entirely and:

CAN U TELL ME MORE.....NO MORE WHITES???????

The truth is the democrats/jews cut their own throats.....as they 'opened the floodgates'
middle class whites dont breed like mex/muslims

did you know about ted ''wrong way' kennedy and his bill for the caldeans?

learn yr history

Essentially, we can thank Reaganomics for an influx of immigrants and the decemination of the blue-collar legacy of the United States.

Thanks Ronnie.

no thanks JFK/lyndon/teddy k

yes RonR did do the 1st amnesty

As Asia suggested, I learned me some history.

This week's post by JHK is MARCHING TOWARD ZOMBIELAND. Reagan started us on that march. Reagan turned us into zombies.

Reagan used the rhetoric of apocalyptic imagery to instill a climate of fear and docility in America; Reagan is the original creator of the "sheeple"...

Reagan was the seventh president to have a policy of containment of communism and certainly cannot take credit for ending the Cold War. The Chinese Communist Party is winning the Cold War in 2009 as the dollar weakens and crumbles.

Reagan was also a criminal. He sold arms to Iran, and then diverted the proceeds from those sales to bolster the paramilitary Contras in Nicaragua, in direct violation of Congress.

Reagan scared us with "communism" and he and his rich henchmen exponentially increased the ranks of the nation’s “working poor.”

Reagan came into office, and then he subcontracted nearly the entire steel industry to Japan ending the American Dream for the middle class.

Richard Nixon broke the heart of the American Dream, then Reagan broke its back.

"Reagan scared us with "communism" ..."

Not really. He wasn't intimated by "communism". He stared at them, they blinked, the wall came down. Tens of millions under the rule of Gorby's U.S.S.R. were freed and remain free. Will they keep their freedom? If they want to. Is asoka-his-pants a MORON? Yep. Thats a one-niner, FUCKTARD.

"Still drinking the Koolade I see."

You mean you can detect Koolade from my urine that you swill?Wow, discriminating taste buds!

"Reagan turned us into zombies."

Well I always knew you were a fucking zombie, your moronic fucktard but what is this "we" shit? If Reagan turned you into a zombie it is because you were too weak to resist his zombie making powers. Hey there is a fucking surprise. (NOT!)

Assjoker:
Richard Nixon broke the heart of the American Dream, then Reagan broke its back.

and clinton took furniture from the whitehouse
and the mexican gangs may eat americas heart

its an attempt to be profound and speak for 'us'

zzzz said: "Tens of millions under the rule of Gorby's U.S.S.R. were freed and remain free."

So, do you agree with Vice President Biden that whatever the current temporary regional advantage the Russians might have, in the end, their economy is crippled and Russia is not a country to be taken seriously?

"In the 2008 campaign, [Obama] ran against Bush more than John McCain, and that worked out nicely for him. Since taking office, Obama has justifiably noted over and over that he's been cleaning up the mess left behind by Bush and Cheney. That argument will lose its oomph, the smaller Bush and Cheney become in the rear-view mirror. But here comes Cheney, jumping on the hood, pressing his face against the windshield, and proclaiming, "I'm here." What could be better for Obama?"

-- David Corn, "Why is Cheney Helping Obama?"

I found the guy who's going to going to start the mass outrage JHK sees on the horizon. I predict the first Molotov cocktail thrown through the Wall Street office window will come from him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-twLAaMD9w&feature=player_embedded

It's Office Space, meets the Texas Rangers, meets Son of Sam.

I found the guy who's going to going to start the mass outrage JHK sees on the horizon. I predict the first Molotov cocktail thrown through the Wall Street office window will come from him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-twLAaMD9w&feature=player_embedded

It's Office Space, meets the Texas Rangers, meets Son of Sam.

Cowswithguns,

The guy definitely has found a way to discharge his anger through catharsis with a baseball bat.

What I don't understand is the beginning part where it says to buy silver. With unemployment, foreclosure, etc. who has money to buy silver?

Also, he is complaining about people putting up with this since 1913. Since they had baseball in 1913, do you think the baseball bat is a traditional way to cathart?

Here is what Obama should say to the generals and to Congress:

"I do not have the power to wage war. The Constitution says the Congress has the power to declare war. If Congress declares war, then let's do it. Until there is a specific declaration of war, I am ordering all troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan."

Asoka, don't focus on the guy's logic. It's all about the entertainment value.

"In the 2008 campaign, [Obama] ran against Bush more than John McCain, and that worked out nicely for him."

Of course it worked well for him, McCain was chosen specifically for this reason. He had more in common, or could be made to appear that he had more in common with Bush, who's approval ratings were tanking. Obama was made to appear the opposite of Bush, McCain was set up to be a continuation of current policies {with a bimbo to replace him if he crapped out} so almost anyone opposed to current policies would win.

But surprise, Obama was acting a role even better than Reagan. And only a few of those who voted from him have been scraping his bumper stickers off their car; the rest just cannot face reality. They don't realize or don't care or can't 'fess up to being traitors to America. They were made to feel like outsiders to the Bill of Rights and the Constitution through past greivances that were never corrected or could never be forgotten.

Same banksters, same oligharcs, same mattoids, same emotionally herded illiterate voters, same liberty-hating fellow travelers all rejoicing in their perfidity.

The Last Official Act of Government; loot the nation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJG-Htk3FPc&feature=player_embedded

{watch all ten}

messianicdruid says: "And only a few of those who voted from him have been scraping his bumper stickers off their car"

Of course they aren't removing the bumper stickers. Because a vote for Obama was a vote for the best candidate.

As for the World Wrestling Federation quality videos you link to, consider the source: Alex Jones. With those videos you ARE showing just how skeered you are.

Alex Jones is the McDonalds of conspiracy research. Typical low grade, mass produced, "safe" American BS, processed and sent out to the unwashed masses.

Alex Jones makes a mockery out of anything that has any substance to it, with his overly dramatic, WWF-like presentation that seems fake and put on. It's all about shtick and instilling a sense of fear, so you'll be more likely to buy Berkey water filters, Ted Anderson's gold, or one of Jones' sensationalistic videos.

Over the past 2-3 years, Jones has developed a cult-like following of lemming followers who act as if Jones is the messiah himself and the beacon of all truth. These people have come to be the poster children of the conspiracy subculture promulgated by the very same mainstream media they claim to be against.

Well that's my interpolation of ol'
Zeke. He's considered a very brilliant man-bioethicist and probable architect of much of the Obama Health Plan. He would lead us into Physician assisted suicide etc. The State would decide alot of things. And given the way they see Whites-I belive there would be overt bias against
Whites once they got going. But no, he does not call for the end of the White Race directly as does Prof Noel Ignatiev.

So what of the Chaldees?

Hey Kuntsler,
You want violence so badly, why don't you go do it yourself! I think your a bored fukin lunatic. Hope the .gov arrests you someday!

Jaego said: "he does not call for the end of the White Race directly as does Prof Noel Ignatiev."

Now you are misrepresenting Noel Ignatiev, who never called for the physical elimination of people characterized or who identify as "white."

What Ignatiev has repeatedly called for is the abolition of white privilege and race identity.

Ignatiev does not even hate white people. His web site and publication Race Traitor display the motto "treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity".

In response to a letter to the site which understood the motto as meaning that the authors "hated" white people because of their "white skin," Ignatiev and the other editors responded:

“We do not hate you or anyone else for the color of her skin. What we hate is a system that confers privileges (and burdens) on people because of their color. It is not fair skin that makes people white; it is fair skin in a certain kind of society, one that attaches social importance to skin color.

When we say we want to abolish the white race, we do not mean we want to exterminate people with fair skin. We mean that we want to do away with the social meaning of skin color, thereby abolishing the white race as a social category.

Consider this parallel: To be against royalty does not mean wanting to kill the king. It means wanting to do away with crowns, thrones, titles, and the privileges attached to them.

In our view, whiteness has a lot in common with royalty: they are both social formations that carry unearned advantages."

One might hope you would consider yourself one of the unwashed masses. However, on the virtures of merit, you've separated yourself from that besmirched group, haven't you? It's always those "unwashed masses". Who takes you seriously anymore?

"Because a vote for Obama was a vote for the best candidate."

That, of course, depends entirely on what you think the president is to be doing. I think Ron Paul was the best candidate. And as the collapse of the economic system continues more people realize he was absolutely right in calling for the dissolution of the FED, and a return to constitutional limits of central government.

Don't you think Americans should govern themselves? Why do you want to talk about a personality without even considering anything the dozen or so other researchers and writers on the "Fall of the Republic" video have to say. Is it because you applaud it's demise and it's replacement with a more >sarcasm onsarcasm off

bahmi asks: "Who takes you seriously anymore?"

I have a large contingent of regular readers of CFN who love what I write. Thank you for asking.

Is it because you applaud it's demise and it's replacement with a more +supposedly+ benevolent world government?

Messianicdruid, Ron Paul withdrew from the presidential race. His name was not on the ballot.

Ron Paul is not a libertarian. He still opposes Gay Marriage, Women's right to choose, and other social issues, like abolishing the Dept. of Education, and for those Neanderthal positions I cannot support Ron Paul.

Here's another of the "the poster children of the conspiracy subculture" that you choose to ignore. Weeks from now, only weeks.

"On October 14, Lord Christopher Monckton gave a presentation in St. Paul, MN on the subject of global warming. In this 4-minute excerpt from his speech, he issues a dire warning to all Americans..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40&feature=player_embedded

To Topcat: If the government does go after JHK for his writings, by then we'll have such a police state that even a tool like you will be in jail cell for sedition.

Here's the guy you should worry about. If there's any sense left in America, more scary guys like this are on the way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-twLAaMD9w&feature=player_embedded

"...and for those Neanderthal positions I cannot support Ron Paul."

You are still talking personalities; and anyway it's far too late to be arguing about who was the best candidate or why one got no coverage from the MSM and the other could do no wrong by them.

Obama cannot uphold Article 1 Section 9 of the Constitution and be The President of the United Nations Security Council at the same time. He cannot serve two masters.

messianicdruid said: "You are still talking personalities"

You are talking Lord Moncton, Alex Jones, and making ridiculous accusations about Obama.

So, let's not talk personalities. Let's talk numbers. Like 350. Like 181.

350 is what scientists say is the safe upper limit for carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. Not long ago we were at 280. Today, because of humans putting CO2 into the atmosphere, we are at 390. And 390 is not sustainable: our oceans are heating up, the ice caps are melting, our forests are dying.

181 is the number of countries where today there were climate actions to draw attention to the number 350.

Here are some more numbers: 60, 50, and 54.

60 votes to stop a filibuster.

50 votes plus biden are really needed to pass any bill.

54 votes passed Medicare way back when.

I have come to the bitter conclusion that the entire world will have to crash economically, not just us, to prevent the catastrophe of climate change on a worldwide scale. It still will happen as it has gone too far and will not roll back fast. (I mean did it come on fast?)

So to save th planet it has to happen. And since especially the US is in denial, we will be the most unprepared. JFK's scenario will probably be the best outcome we can expect. I don't think it will be the one we will get, however. Mad Max is probably more likely or a Ballard scenario in his America novel.

I forgot to include the link in the above.

http://tinyurl.com/yhb7jje

"Let's talk numbers."

Do you really think it was put up for a vote??

"More than 31,000 scientists across the U.S. – including more than 9,000 Ph.D.s in fields such as atmospheric science, climatology, Earth science, environment and dozens of other specialties – have signed a petition rejecting "global warming," the assumption that the human production of greenhouse gases is damaging Earth's climate.

"There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate," the petition states. "Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth."

The Petition Project actually was launched nearly 10 years ago, when the first few thousand signatures were assembled. Then, between 1999 and 2007, the list of signatures grew gradually without any special effort or campaign.

But now, a new effort has been conducted because of an "escalation of the claims of 'consensus,' release of the movie 'An Inconvenient Truth' by Mr. Al Gore, and related events," according to officials with the project.

"Mr. Gore's movie, asserting a 'consensus' and 'settled science' in agreement about human-caused global warming, conveyed the claims about human-caused global warming to ordinary movie goers and to public school children, to whom the film was widely distributed. Unfortunately, Mr. Gore's movie contains many very serious incorrect claims which no informed, honest scientist could endorse," said project spokesman and founder Art Robinson. Robinson, a research professor of chemistry, co-founded the Linus Pauling Institute of Science and Medicine with Linus Pauling in 1973, and later co-founded the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine. He also publishes the Access to Energy newsletter.

WND submitted a request to Gore's office for comment but did not get a response.

Robinson said the dire warnings about "global warming" have gone far beyond semantics or scientific discussion now to the point they are actually endangering people.

"The campaign to severely ration hydrocarbon energy technology has now been markedly expanded," he said. "In the course of this campaign, many scientifically invalid claims about impending climate emergencies are being made. Simultaneously, proposed political actions to severely reduce hydrocarbon use now threaten the prosperity of Americans and the very existence of hundreds of millions of people in poorer countries," he said.

In just the past few weeks, there have been various allegations that both shark attacks and typhoons have been sparked by "global warming."

The late Professor Frederick Seitz, the past president of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences and winner of the National Medal of Science, wrote in a letter promoting the petition, "The United States is very close to adopting an international agreement that would ration the use of energy and of technologies that depend upon coal, oil, and natural gas and some other organic compounds."

"This treaty is, in our opinion, based upon flawed ideas. Research data on climate change do not show that human use of hydrocarbons is harmful. To the contrary, there is good evidence that increased atmospheric carbon dioxide is environmentally helpful," he wrote.

Accompanying the letter sent to scientists was a 12-page summary and review of research on "global warming," officials said.

"The proposed agreement would have very negative effects upon the technology of nations throughout the world, especially those that are currently attempting to lift from poverty and provide opportunities to the over 4 billion people in technologically underdeveloped countries," Seitz wrote.

Robinson said the project targets scientists because, "It is especially important for America to hear from its citizens who have the training necessary to evaluate the relevant data and offer sound advice."

He said the "global warming agreement," written in Kyoto, Japan, in 1997, and other plans "would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind."

"Yet," he said, "the United Nations and other vocal political interests say the U.S. must enact new laws that will sharply reduce domestic energy production and raise energy prices even higher.

"The inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness include the right of access to life-giving and life-enhancing technology. This is especially true of access to the most basic of all technologies: energy. These human rights have been extensively and wrongly abridged," he continued. "During the past two generations in the U.S., a system of high taxation, extensive regulation, and ubiquitous litigation has arisen that prevents the accumulation of sufficient capital and the exercise of sufficient freedom to build and preserve needed modern technology.

"These unfavorable political trends have severely damaged our energy production, where lack of industrial progress has left our country dependent upon foreign sources for 30 percent of the energy required to maintain our current level of prosperity," he said. "Moreover, the transfer of other U.S. industries abroad as a result of these same trends has left U.S. citizens with too few goods and services to trade for the energy that they do not produce. A huge and unsustainable trade deficit and rapidly rising energy prices have been the result.

"The necessary hydrocarbon and nuclear energy production technologies have been available to U.S. engineers for many decades. We can develop these resources without harm to people or the environment. There is absolutely no technical, resource, or environmental reason for the U.S. to be a net importer of energy. The U.S. should, in fact, be a net exporter of energy," he said.

He told WND he believes the issue has nothing to do with energy itself, but everything to do with power, control and money, which the United Nations is seeking. He accused the U.N. of violating human rights in its campaign to ban much energy research, exploration and development.

"In order to alleviate the current energy emergency and prevent future emergencies, we need to remove the governmental restrictions that have caused this problem. Fundamental human rights require that U.S. citizens and their industries be free to produce and use the low cost, abundant energy that they need. As the 31,000 signatories of this petition emphasize, environmental science supports this freedom," he said.

The Petition Project website today said there are 31,072 scientists who have signed up, and Robinson said more names continue to come in.


In terms of Ph.D. scientists alone, it already has 15 times more scientists than are seriously involved in the U.N.'s campaign to "vilify hydrocarbons," officials told WND.

"The very large number of petition signers demonstrates that, if there is a consensus among American scientists, it is in opposition to the human-caused global warming hypothesis rather than in favor of it," the organization noted.

The project was set up by a team of physicists and physical chemists who do research at several American institutions and collects signatures when donations provide the resources to mail out more letters.

"In a group of more than 30,000 people, there are many individuals with names similar or identical to other signatories, or to non-signatories – real or fictional. Opponents of the petition project sometimes use this statistical fact in efforts to discredit the project. For examples, Perry Mason and Michael Fox are scientists who have signed the petition – who happen also to have names identical to fictional or real non-scientists," the website said.

The petition is needed, supporters said, simply because Gore and others "have claimed that the 'science is settled' – that an overwhelming 'consensus' of scientists agrees with the hypothesis of human-caused global warming, with only a handful of skeptical scientists in disagreement."


Hey, asoka - {if you're still reading} here's some more numbers for ya!!

The list of scientists includes 9,021 Ph.D.s, 6,961 at the master's level, 2,240 medical doctors and 12,850 carrying a bachelor of science or equivalent academic degree.

The Petition Project's website includes both a list of scientists by name as well as a list of scientists by state."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=64734

9 Significant errors in Al's film {Gore doesn't like hard questions}...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOLT8ECko6g

No, Dr Igniatev doesn't call for outright genocide-he could get in trouble for that. He just wants Whites to fade away through sterility and miscegenation. He has said that much-in almost as many words. And his ideas are very influential-putting into words what many leftist haters feel. The Weathermen talked about killing White Babies. Susan Sontag called Whites "the cancer of humanity". Our own Dale refuses to acknowledge that White Americans have any culture of their own and therefore don't deserve to be capitalized in print. (you didn't do it either).

A people who don't feel themselves to be worthwhile wont bother to continue. Our Enemies are waging a vicious psychic war against us-using Marxist Ideology dressed up as psychology, sociology, and anthropology. But note: neither Sontag or Ignatiev identify as White-even though they look it. No, they're special, chosen even-Jewish. Prof Ignorance says, "Treason to Whiteness is loyalty to humanity." I say: Treason to Zionism is loyalty to America, Western Civilization, and the White Race.

Another technique they use against us is to claim we don't exist. Asoka used this-perceive ourselves to be White. Yeah right. When it comes time to discriminate they have no problem telling who is White and who isn't. They used this against the Palestinians too-remember the slogan "A Land without a People for a People without a Land." That was a big one with the Zionist Golda Meir-there are no Palestinians-just a few Bedeoun goat herders! Well Asoka, if you want to consort with the likes of these you should give up any idea of being a righteous man.

To Cowswithguns,
Got some news for you ya paranoid Fn TOOL. I am not worried about anything bitch! Pussies like you and Kuntsler are afraid of everything, So you sit hear and read all day and hope it all goes away. This is life Tool. Get used to it. Now go climb back in Kuntslers bunker and do your "DUTY" if ya know what I mean!

I kind of draw the line when i hear suggestions for this type of violence.I think I am done with this site anyways, you guys have all lost it now! Seems you have all been on the computer waaaaaaaay too much! Have a nice life people. There are better places to be than this bleak as blog.............

OBAMA IS A MODERATE, NOT A RADICAL SOCIALIST

Transformation is within his grasp, in a pen, a signature, an executive order. "Why has that not happened? One reason may be the president's essential character, which is at odds with the persona that developed during the campaign. Perhaps because of his race and his age, much of the electorate, especially those of us who are liberals, succumbed to stereotype and assumed that he was by way of being a firebrand.

A year in, and we know that we deceived ourselves.

He is methodical, thoughtful, cerebral, a believer in consensus and process. In an incremental system, Barack Obama is an incremental man. It is one reason he is taking his time ending the two wars in which we remain mired, Nobel Peace Prize notwithstanding. On the one hand, on the other. This makes attacks on him as a radical or a socialist preposterous, not to mention ridiculously retro. (Can "Trotskyite" be far behind?)"

--Anna Quindlen, Newsweek

Why do some ignore the Sun's input when considering global warming? It has much more to do with climate change than any other factor. Previous changes could not have been caused by humans, yet suddenly this is the cause, case closed. Maybe we should practice stopping hurricanes, tornados or volcanos as well. CO2 is plant food, not poison.

"Climate, sea level, and ice sheets have always changed, and the changes observed today are less than those of the past. Climate changes are cyclical and are driven by the Earth's position in the galaxy, the sun, wobbles in the Earth's orbit, ocean currents, and plate tectonics. In previous times, atmospheric carbon dioxide was far higher than at present but did not drive climate change. No runaway greenhouse effect or acid oceans occurred during times of excessively high carbon dioxide. During past glaciations, carbon dioxide was higher than it is today. The non-scientific popular political view is that humans change climate. Do we have reason for concern about possible human-induced climate change?"

http://www.financialsense.com/Experts/2009/Plimer.html#

What of the Herodians? Were they Idumeans too? I thought Hal Lindsay (I know-Christian Zionist) said that they were Arabs. If so, they would be our Cousins thru Abraham-even if they are wild asses of men. Of course, Lindsay is suspect-he wants the Herodians to be Arabs just to complete his good guy/bad guy view of the Middle East-and to show it has been consistent though out the ages. The Calvinists have really gone of the offensive against the Darbyites now. They have a great video-The Late Great Planet Church.

Yes. An 18th century scientist found an inverse relationship between the price of grain and sunspots. The fewer the sunspots, the lower the sun's activity, thus colder, thus less grain, thus higher price for the grain. Now for the last two years the sun has been incredibly inactive. Alarmingly so. And sure enough, the planet seem to be rapidly cooling. Last year there was a big global warming conference in London. Unfortunately for them the conference room had lots of windows where they could see the heaviest November snow fall in decades. It must have been very awkward. And last winter was very heavy in China and much of North America as well. This winter seems to be heading the same way with early snow falls in the Rockies and East.

I visualize Al Gore, who quoted E Pluribus Unim as saying "Out of One, many-as sun bathing next to his ice clogged pool, complaining of the heat as he freezes to death. Indeed many think we are in for a long term cold spell-maybe a little ice age or maybe the big one. We're due since they come every 12,000 years or so. They are the normal state of affairs, Civilization are anamolies.

Do you believe Bishop Ussher's creation date of 4004 BC? He cleverly traces back the genealogies of the Patriarch's to arrive at this number. As for the fossils, the world was created with them already there-for ambiance perhaps. Or perhaps as a Divine Trick or Test! I don't believe this and presumeably you don't either since you are talking about Ice Ages and such. But perhaps you are just being didactic to defeat Gore on his own terms and terms we can understand. Maybe you believe none of it. Did men ride on Brontos then a la the Flintstones?

Have you figured out ambient carbon dioxide concentration of the atmosphere when ambient temperature decreases? Gas solubility should increase at lower temperature, right? This will lower carbon dioxide levels and make all liberals like you happy. Thank me at your leisure, it's what I'm here for.

Thank you, bahmi.

I'll sleep better tonight.

Stop eating beans Asoka. Your farts are destroying the planet. It all up to you and you are blowing it. How do I know? The Earth told me. She is very angry at you for not having kids and for farting. If you must, fart into a balloon and use the methane to heat your home.

C'mon people-we have to get the comments up to the magic number of 300. It never can be allowed to dip below that. If it does, the Shit May Hit the Fan. As Mr Kunstler says, we are a people obsessed with statistics. We mustn't let him down. As the old song says, how I love to haul manure up the mountain to fufill Mao's Dream. Write about your deepest desires or just about anything. Asoka's going to write about heating his home with his own methane.

Does anyone know what happened to Squished Dick? I'm afraid I defeated him so badly that he left his body. I had no idea he was so sensitive. That used to happen in Ancient India. Americans generally don't care enough about the Truth to die when they are wrong-though many would rather die than admit it or apologize! Maybe he was just pretending to be a Dick. Maybe he was really a sensitive soul who yearned for the Truth. Nah, probably not.

"Nay the tale grow worse. Only Conservatives know about, care about, or care to know about the Constitution. and only Liberals know about, care about, or care to know about the Environment."
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Nay I suspect ye may be plagerizing. Didn't I read this comment somewhere else?

"I find this utterly unconstitutional. And the ones convicted say they deserved it. Ayn Rand's The Sanction of the Victim here."
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I tend to agree, perhaps a serious spanking for first offenders.

"He stared at them, they blinked, the wall came down." ------ZZZZZZ on Pres. Reagan.
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I see....and were those the walls of Jericho or Berlin?

Seriously, and this guy has the nerve to criticize Obama voters for considering Obama a Messiah? I've never heard any Obama supporter get this close to pure adulation...........well, maybe Asoka.

I think Ron Paul was the best candidate. And as the collapse of the economic system continues more people realize he was absolutely right in calling for the dissolution of the FED, and a return to constitutional limits of central government.
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Why is it, everytime I hear anything from you Ron Paul guys it's always all about the FED?
Most of the time I know I can go directly to a campaign website and learn absolutely everything you know about the FED in 5 minutes?

I mean.......you have to have some serious tunnel vision to regard that as the genesis of any downfall of America. As far as I can tell, the "solutions" I see from Libertarians, while well intended, fall into the catagory of absurdly ideological and blindly self referential.

That being said, at least they are consistent which is a lot more than can be said about the so-called Conservatives.

As an unethical person, you naturally doubt other people alot-basing them on yourself of course. How can I come to any other conclusion? When I said that my conversion to White Nationalism hadn't been directly based on fear or my attack-you just blew that off and told me what my experience was-without even knowing me. Well Dale-don't ever become a counselor, you just don't have the requisite sensitivity.

And worse, you don't even think the White Race exists-just like the Zionists tried to float the story that there were no Palestinians-"a land without a people for a people without a land." Of course you know that Whites exist but you are practicing diminishment-a form of cognitive and psychic warfare against us. Even though you yourself are White. How sick is that? Try to get some help. And lay off the Buddhism-it's only making you worse by giving you these ideas about "no self" which you selectively apply and conflate with "no value". Tibetans exist and have value, Whites don't exist or if they do, they have no value and should be metaphysically correct and cease to exist a la Dr Noel Ignatiev.

"Nay the Tale grows worse"-taken from the "Call of the Wild" a tale by my favorite boyhood author, the great White Nationalist Socialist Jack London. The last page, he describes how Buck has become a spirit dog wreaking vengeance against the Yeehats for killing his master. Perhaps that is what you remember if you read it. Kind of wholesome fare for somebody like you but I suppose it's possible. Don't accuse other people of things without really knowing, Dale. It's not Buddhist. I guess like most American "Buddhists" you skip the ethics and get right to the techniques-which are unworkable without the ethics.

ASh

remember when you posted here 'VIVA LA RAZA'??????

well with LaFamilia ..throwing human heads on disco floors and killing folks in drug rehab.....well...??

reminds me of ' ants farming aphids' when they kill everyone in drug rehab!

Jaego asked: "Does anyone know what happened to Squished Dick?"

He stopped in here briefly this week to attack me again, but under a different name. Apparently he continues to be "Pissed Off" and made that part of his name.

dale said of Ron Paul supporters: "I've never heard any Obama supporter get this close to pure adulation...........well, maybe Asoka."

dale, I have often criticized Obama, in capital letters for example regarding his murderous drone bombers. I have called Obama a war criminal. I don't recall any of the Ron Paul supporters criticizing Ron Paul as harshly as I have criticized Obama. I have also criticized Obama for not replacing the Bush generals and the Bush secretary of defense. I have also criticized Obama for his choice of Geithner and Summers. I have also criticized Obama for dragging his feet on DADT and the Gitmo closing and the withdrawal of troops from Iraq. I have criticized Obama regularly for a host of issues.

I respect him as a human being, but I find plenty of fault with him as a politician who places such a high value on listening to Republicans, putting Republicans into cabinet positions, leaving Republicans in important positions, and wanting Republican votes to have bipartisan support in votes. He is way too sympathetic to Republicans and allows them to offer amendments and accepts their amendments into pending legislation. Then he makes back room deals with Republican donors like Big Pharma.

My position does not come close to "adulation".

dale said of Ron Paul supporters: "I've never heard any Obama supporter get this close to pure adulation...........well, maybe Asoka."

dale, I have often criticized Obama, in capital letters for example regarding his murderous drone bombers. I have called Obama a war criminal. I don't recall any of the Ron Paul supporters criticizing Ron Paul as harshly as I have criticized Obama. I have also criticized Obama for not replacing the Bush generals and the Bush secretary of defense. I have also criticized Obama for his choice of Geithner and Summers. I have also criticized Obama for dragging his feet on DADT and the Gitmo closing and the withdrawal of troops from Iraq. I have criticized Obama regularly for a host of issues.

I respect him as a human being, but I find plenty of fault with him as a politician who places such a high value on listening to Republicans, putting Republicans into cabinet positions, leaving Republicans in important positions, and wanting Republican votes to have bipartisan support in votes. He is way too sympathetic to Republicans and allows them to offer amendments and accepts their amendments into pending legislation. Then he makes back room deals with Republican donors like Big Pharma.

My position does not come close to "adulation".

dale said of Ron Paul supporters: "I've never heard any Obama supporter get this close to pure adulation...........well, maybe Asoka."

dale, I have often criticized Obama, in capital letters for example regarding his murderous drone bombers. I have called Obama a war criminal. I don't recall any of the Ron Paul supporters criticizing Ron Paul as harshly as I have criticized Obama. I have also criticized Obama for not replacing the Bush generals and the Bush secretary of defense. I have also criticized Obama for his choice of Geithner and Summers. I have also criticized Obama for dragging his feet on DADT and the Gitmo closing and the withdrawal of troops from Iraq. I have criticized Obama regularly for a host of issues.

I respect him as a human being, but I find plenty of fault with him as a politician who places such a high value on listening to Republicans, putting Republicans into cabinet positions, leaving Republicans in important positions, and wanting Republican votes to have bipartisan support in votes. He is way too sympathetic to Republicans and allows them to offer amendments and accepts their amendments into pending legislation. Then he makes back room deals with Republican donors like Big Pharma.

My position does not come close to "adulation".

asia,

La Raza and La Familia are not the same thing.

Bush's Surge in Iraq was to provide security and give breathing room for a political settlement to secure peace in Iraq.

Now, AFTER OVER 4,000 USA TROOPS HAVE BEEN KILLED AND OVER 85,000 IRAQIS HAVE BEEN KILLED AND $1 TRILLION SPENT, TODAY CAR BOMBS KILLING 147 IN IRAQ. NO PEACE... THE SURGE FAILED.

WHEN WILL THEY EVER LEARN THAT MILITARY VIOLENCE CANNOT CHANGE HEARTS INTO LOVING HEARTS, A PREREQUISITE FOR A TRUE PEACE.

MESSAGE TO OBAMA: YOU HAVE NO CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY TO WAGE WAR IN IRAQ OR AFGHANISTAN OR PAKISTAN. ONLY CONGRESS HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DECLARE. THE CONSTITUTION EXPLICITLY GIVES WAR MAKING POWER TO CONGRESS.

WITHDRAW ALL TROOPS FROM IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN NOW! AND STOP KILLING CIVILIANS AND BOMBING WEDDING PARTIES WITH DRONE BOMBS.

CORRECTION: $3 TRILLION HAVE BEEN SPENT ON BUSH'S FOLLY, NOT $1 TRILLION

http://tinyurl.com/yzu5g6o

The Three Trillion Dollar War: The True Cost of the Iraq Conflict

So we've got another potential show of force by the masses. Tomorrow protests are planned in Chicago regarding a big bankers' conference. Will it amount to something? Or will it simply flame out like the G-20 P-Burg protest? Will the cops pull out the accoustic weapons?

This protest look like it has potential to impact the masses, as these are wholesome folks in normal dress. Not like those drum-beating, chanting hippies and anarchists that populated the G-20.

If there's one thing Middle America doesn't like, it's people who look different and have different values -- and those -- the Middle Americans -- are the people who need to be reached.

Hopefully, if anyting, it's a good show.

No dude, that wasn't his "voice" at all. Plus whoever it was was recognized in a friendly way by Z. That's rare-it must have been Rico.

Jaego,

JR has always appreciated my comments and has said good things about my posts. JR has not attacked me or said anything bad about my "integrity"

Qshtik has always attacked me, and always about "integrity". The use of the word "weasel" gave him away. It is like his saying "slimy eel"...

Jaego,

JR has always appreciated my comments and has said good things about my posts. JR has not attacked me or said anything bad about my "integrity"

Qshtik has always attacked me, and always about "integrity". The use of the word "weasel" gave him away. It is like his saying "slimy eel"...

Let's end the week with some relevant quotes: "I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and (defensive) violence, I would advise violence."-Gandhi

"The country that draws a broad line between its fighting men and its thinking men will find its fighting done by fools and its thinking done by cowards"
Sir William F Butler

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preseve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined."-Patrick Henry

The problem is the solution.

Interesting point. He sure didn't sound like Quiz Dik but perhaps he's trying to cover himself.

So noble are thee. You respect Obama, but in your typically slimy fashion castigate/denigrate Republicans. What is your basis for your Obama adulation? Call it what you wish, you adore Obama.
Liberals like you always refuse to acknowledge the mere existence of "the other guys".
I don't respect Obama. Read carefully, over and over, the words Jaego presented that derived from Patrick Henry. Obama has never come close to the magnitude of Henry.
I am sure you respected the office of the German chancellor 1933-1945, too. Yes, you criticized him but still have fond memories of him, don't you? I know he killed 6 million, but at least he took care of Blondi and Eva.
Were a normal person to make as many criticisms as you say you've made about Obama, I'd say the person would not have shown your "respect". And, please take some time and explain the meaning of "transparency". Obama is waffling now. He stepped in it, now he has to face the consequences. Things go wrong and your hero says he has to "undo the mess somebody else made". He's a lovely character, Asoka. Yet, many who voted for this freakshow are starting to see the real Obama. Of course, blacks and Latinos will still vote for Obama no matter what. No racism at all, none. Only white men are racists.

Yet you still "respect" Obama??? Strange character are you. IF you are so upset at Obama's involvement in the Middle East, why don't you jettison your respect? Why don't you jump ship? Obama waffles, you waffle. People could respect you if only you redefined "respect". You respect Obama because of his color. Our first affirmative action president.Take away the press, the people of color and Latinos, and you have a scanty number of people left who voted for him.

"What of the Herodians?" The Idumeans that converted to Judaism in the time of John Hyrcanus attained leadership positions after several decades.

"The pattern of King Herod himself has not been fully appreciated today, because few people have thought of this connection, and those who do would rather avoid it. But King Herod was half Idumean and half Judean. His father, Antipater, had been captured by Idumeans while he was still young and had been raised in Idumea. He later married an Idumean girl, Herod's mother.

Antipater rose to power when the Roman government appointed him Procurator of Judea in 47 B.C. Shortly afterward, the Parthians conquered Syria and Judea, setting Antigonus on the throne, for he was of the Maccabean lineage. But ultimately, Antipater's son, Herod, went to Rome and in 40 B.C. obtained their backing as King of Judea. Josephus wrote in his Antiquities of the Jews, XIV, xv, 2,

"Herod had now a strong army; and... went on for Jerusalem.... Antigonus, by way of reply to what Herod had caused to be proclaimed... said, that they would not do justly if they gave the kingdom to Herod, who was no more than a private man, and an Idumean, i.e., a half Jew..."

Herod overthrew Antigonus in 37 B.C. and ultimately executed him in 34 B.C. Herod took the throne as King of the Jews and began the Idumean dynasty, which ruled Judea for a century until its destruction in 70-73 A.D. King Herod represented the Judean nation well, because he, like the nation itself, was half Idumean and half Judean.

In other words, Jewry itself-that is, those who adhere to Judaism and reject Jesus Christ-is the only modern nation that can fulfill the prophecies of Edom. In incorporating Edom {Esau, Idumea, Mount Seir, Teman, and Amalek} into the nation of Judea and its religious system, the Jews became the heirs of both sets of prophecies -prophecies of Judah as well as the prophecies about Edom."

http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org/BOOKS/birthright/Chapter2.cfm

"Do you believe Bishop Ussher's creation date of 4004 BC?" Jones has a more detailed chronology:

http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org/books/secrets/appendixD.cfm

I think this would more aptly be termed the RE-creation. The earth was "without form and void". This is a description of the situation after a planetary wide catastrophe such as the near approach of a large comet {perhaps multiple times} which wiped out most life. The account in Genesis is the reclamation of the biosphere and of setting out of lifeforms which are told to mulitiply and REplenish the earth.

Venus may be the culprit. They still cannot fathom why it is so hot over there. It could have taken hundreds of years {orbits} for it to settle into a planetary orbit after being effected by Jupiter and then captured by Sol. I think the earth is a very, very old comet. Who can know for sure?

Donald Wesley Patten and Jim McCanney have some interesting theories about all this.

Aliens could be introduced tomorrow or they could clone a Brontosaurus and it would have be no detriment on my understanding of what God is doing. They would just be another one of His creatures.

"Why is it, everytime I hear anything from you Ron Paul guys it's always all about the FED?"

It is the most obvious {and hopefully most understandable} and correctable of our current government's failure to do it's job. Giving the creation of our money to a private entity and then paying them interest on it is about the stupidest thing that has ever happened.

You probably also noticed we talk about the IRS and the income tax a lot. Same kinda stuff.


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