Booby Prize


      When that phone call came around six a.m. last week telling President Obama he'd been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, I had to think he turned to Michelle and said, "Honey, our life together has just gotten more surreal."  I was hoping that he would politely refuse it, perhaps making a statement later that morning along the lines: "...since circumstances have placed me in the unfortunate position of prosecuting two wars at the present time, I cannot accept...."  It would have introduced a refreshing note of truthfulness among friend and foe alike.
      Much of the chatter on the Web about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, especially regarding causes and justifications, I regard as childish and silly.  I especially follow the political podcasts issued by Slate and The New Yorker Magazine. They are garrulous without being especially astute. They seem to think we're in Afghanistan, for instance, in order to stabilize a central government, presumably a democratically-elected one. I don't think the Pentagon or the State Department give a rat's ass about the Afghan state or how its hard-bitten denizens scratch a living out of the tortured landscape there. Our motive there since the initial whacking of the Taliban government in 2001 has been to use it as the eastern geographic wedge against Iran, with Iraq as the western wedge, making a nice sandwich of Iran between two garrisons of US Wonder Bread.  Hold that thought for a moment while I digress.
     The debate about Iraq has been equally dumb for the past six years.  The Left still thinks it was about the contingent "lies" employed around the "weapons of mass destruction" issue.  Their indignation is pegged to their own swallowing of these "lies" at the critical moment of voting to support military action -- that is, they are pissed off at themselves, especially for making people in a foreign land feel bad.  I always believed there was a larger motive for invading Iraq: the strategic need to kick the ass of an Arab nation as an answer to the 9/11 attacks -- regardless of whether Iraq instigated 9/ll or not. My view is not a popular one, to put it mildly, especially among my fellow Democrats, but I think it is closer to the truth.  
     Why poor Iraq?  Because Iraq as a geographical entity was best situated as a US Middle East police station between Iran and Saudi Arabia and because Iraq's leader at the time, Mr. Saddam Hussein, was addicted to mischief-making in the region.  Finally, because Saddam Hussein was ethnically Arab and the Arab world needed to get the message that knocking down skyscrapers full of American citizens was not okay  (again, whether Saddam had any part in 9/11 or not). And, no, the invasion of Afghanistan was not enough because the Afghani people were not ethnically Arabs, so whatever we did there in 2001 did not really count except as a desperate prophylactic measure.)  In summary:  Iraq was therefore the best candidate for an ass-kicking in the Middle East. I will get to the consequences shortly.
     Before I go a step further, I must anticipate the angry mail that will pour in from the 9/ll conspiracy sector -- the people who believe Dick Cheney or GW Bush or both (along with thousands of CIA and Pentagon worker bees) directed the attacks, or secretly placed explosive charges to bring down the buildings, or fired a missile at the Pentagon.... I regard the true believers of this fucking nonsense as hopelessly brain-damaged -- and warn that I will delete your tiresome rehearsals of these scenarios, so don't bother trying to "correct" me.     
     Many are no doubt wondering what could possibly be of "strategic" value about kicking anybody's ass geopolitically.  Let me put it this way: there are varieties of discourse between the different peoples of this planet that occur on a plane above the conventional understanding of diplomatic push-and-pull, especially where acts of war are concerned.  These varieties of discourse are not recognized by the current dominant American mentality, which is of the therapeutic type, based on the idea that the behavior of individuals and groups can be modified and even improved if they feel better (especially about themselves).  I blame my own generation, the Boomers, for establishing this wishful ethos as the basis for all the policy of our time, foreign, domestic, municipal, classroom, household....  The Millennials, when they out-grow their adolescent angst, will not be so foolish, I guarantee you.  And my fellow Boomers will feel it personally as the Millennials cut the funding for their bedpan service.
     The strategic value was in sending a message to Radical Islam: the dogs of war are now loose... any further major shenanigans will be opposed violently. Whatever else might be said about the beef between the Radical Islam and the USA, there have been no further acts of war here on the scale of 9/11.  Perhaps our adversaries are content that we have committed suicide by securitized debt and they are enjoying the spectacle of watching the American economy slide down history's cloaca maxima.  Personally, I think if another violent aggression had been staged by "terrorists" on the 9/11 scale soon after that, our response would have had to be the turning of some Islamic capital cities into ashtrays -- but I venture into the realm of the hypothetically unutterable.
      I would argue that to some degree the Iraq War has been a more successful project than many think, if only temporarily and partially.  For one thing, it has mostly taken the form of a hazardous occupation, that is, a kind of ugly post-war, rather than a high-attrition "hot" war as normally understood, even by Vietnam standards.  But it has been successful in a way that few well-intentioned foreign policy kibbitzers would probably grant:  it has allowed the USA to operate a police station in the Middle East for a decade.  Why is this necessary or desirable?  Because the world depends on a reliable oil supply out of the Middle East and would descend into chaos if that supply was interrupted.  This is apart, even, from the USA's desperate need for the 10 percent of our oil that we get from the region. Have we prevented chaos in the Middle East or only provoked it?  That will be an interesting question for the next generation of PhD candidates. Maybe postponing it for a decade was the best we might have hoped for under the circumstances, though we did nothing at home to make use of that lull. You might say the US military presence in Iraq and Afghanistan has prevented Iran from assuming hegemonic domination of the Persian Gulf. If you are one of the kibbitzers I cite above, and you are enjoying the ride in your Toyota Prius and the heat in your house, the regular re-supply of your local supermarket, and maybe even the electric juice to your broker's Bloomberg terminal, then you'd better include these amenities in your ruminations over the ongoing geopolitical calculus.
     The combination of extreme resource dependency and religious fanaticism is a fatal equation for the Middle East. They are angry, crazy and often savage people who own something we can't live without, and we are overfed buffoons, often savage ourselves, who think we can make them like us -- whether they like it or not. Again, personally, I don't believe the status quo will persist a whole lot longer. The US economy is radically de-complexifying (i.e. crashing). Part of this will be expressed in the bankruptcy of US military capacity -- at least where supporting troops-on-the-ground in foreign lands is concerned, and probably overseas bases, too.  The US could get in trouble with other sources of foreign oil (think: Mexico) before anything chokes off the Middle East.  But in one way or another, the US will soon become both capital-and-energy-resource-challenged to an extreme, perhaps to the extreme where we can't feed ourselves.  Our problems in running the nation as it has been set up to run -- as a colossal demolition derby with sideshows of bargain shopping and infotainment -- are insurmountable if one accepts the majority view that it is "non-negotiable."
     Our only hope, really, is a conscious campaign to manage our own process of de-complexifying, before the universe manages it for us, whether we like it or not. One tragic part of this -- among many and for many parties -- is that we did not use the last decade of relative world stability to get that process underway here.  Even President Barack Obama is complicit in this failure.  For instance, instead of cash-for clunkers, he could have gotten the trains running on time between New York and Chicago.  I wonder, is there a prize for leaders who can get their nation's priorities straight.

     

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I don't see why many people seem to feel there must be one single reason that motivated the Bush administration to go to war in Iraq.

I personally think a major contributing factor was the long-held belief of the neocons that we could "plant a democracy" in Iraq and that it would transform the whole Middle East to western-style democracy.

I can't imagine that the policymakers in the Bush administration were not also putting "helps ensure future access by the west to Iraqi oil" way up near the top on a bullet chart of why we should go to war in Iraq.

I'm sure WMD were high on that list as well. It turned out they were bogus but at the time virtually the entire political establishment, Republicans and Democrats, took it as an accepted fact that Iraq had major stockpiles of WMDs.

I'm skeptical of Kunstler's belief that "ass kicking" was the primary motivation, but I do find it very plausible that rationale did have a prominent place on their "list of reasons to go to war in Iraq".

Yea though I walk out of the valley of oil I shall fear no hard labour, for my great, great grandparents did plenty...
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Today's essay; Turning Hubbert's Peak upside down to explain the human cost of peak oil......

Seems a tad strange that the sitting commander of the largest military in history (much less one presiding over two active wars) to get anything called a "peace" award.
The Swedes should have been a bit more reserved. It sure hasn't helped the tone here.

US invaded Iraq for oil.

Obama and Nobel peace prize is another instance of the reality disconnect that marks our time.

Hopefully a few more Obailouts and a few dozen million more unemployed and homeless Americans will help focus minds, and a return to reality will no doubt involve giving the big O the boot.

Back when we entered the war in Iraq, many of my acquaintances said bitterly, "It's just about oil".

Well, DUH. Has our 60-year involvement in the Middle East ever been about anything else? We knew at the time of WW2 that our own reserves were finite and that we would be needing ME oil within a couple of decades.

Too bad we didn't take the other path then, and promulgate policies that encouraged frugality and moderate growth. Instead, our leaders put policies into place that promoted rapid suburban expansion and growth of automobile use and fossil fuel consumption, even though our leaders knew, or had no reason not to know, just exactly the predicament we would be in after 1970.

My problem with the invasion and occupation of Iraq was the lack of transparency and patent lies surrounding the whole business, side by side domestic policies that promote and subsidize our wasteful, fuel-dependent way of life.

If our leaders had laid aside the nonsense about fostering democracy and stated the real reason for the war and the only reason that counts- which is that we need to stabilize and dominate the region to guard our oil supplies, and that Iraq contains an "elephant" field that may have as much as 115 billion barrels of oil, then we could have prosecuted the war more effectively, with much broader public support.

We also could have faced our situation and decided we would do whatever we had to do to reduce our oil consumption, up to and including making drastic lifestyle changes, but our leaders did not want that, because our elite make too much money off selling us 4000 sq ft houses in the exurbs and cars made in Asia.

I understand that Jim is "allergic to conspiracy theories" and I do agree that the united states of corporate america wanted to kick some ass simply for the bully factor - but I also believe there was a "plan" for Iraq.

Can you remember back to the first months of the Bush administrations first term? Back to the "Cheney Energy Task Force?" Bechtel, Chevron, Halliburton, Exxon, all of the largest oil companies and all of the largest oil engineering companies met. They agreed that they needed to increase their access to Middle Eastern oil.

“Iraq possesses huge reserves of oil and gas, reserves I would love Chevron to have access to.” Ken Derr, the former C.E.O. of Chevron.

“We hope Iraq will be the first domino and that Libya and Iran will follow. We don't like being kept out of markets, because it gives our competitors an unfair advantage.” John Gibson, Chief Executive of Halliburton Energy Service Group.

You see, they had a plan. A plan brilliantly conceived and paid for - by us. $250 million went to Bearing Point, Inc. in a no-bid contract to rewrite the economy of Iraq. A plan that was complete two months before the invasion! Why would we devise a plan to rewrite the economy of a country we hadn't even declared war on? A plan that's implementation is a direct violation of the Geneva Convention!

This plan was systematically implemented by Paul Bremer within the first 18 months of the occupation. It's part of the new Iraqi government and policies today. These policies implement the "Corporate Globalization Model." Policies like free investment rules for multinational corporations. Corporations can profit from being in Iraq and they don't have to contribute to the economy of Iraq, hire Iraqis or adhere to regulations.

Now that's what I call "The sp-OIL-s of war."

Off topic:
Do you find Saratoga Springs to be a viable place to weather the coming storm?Or do you feel the storm will be unweatherable?Or are you in the gradual devolution camp?
Do you have a doomstead,or would that be telling?
Personally,we are acquiring dirt in VT for food growing and a sailboat if we need to head south.
Wind is free and the oceans are lightly policed compared to highways.
We do not think that a hole in the ground in Idaho will get anyone much time.I suppose the best situation is a lifeboat community like Ithaca,but 30K college students might present a problem.They already have a barter system in place.
Here in NYC,everything but pigeon poop comes from somewhere else,and I can only think that even a small disruption would lead to LA/Rodney King type
chaos for an indefinite time.

Nino and Laura - conspiracy or not, pre-planned takeover or not, who gives a shit? it doesn't change where we are, and you're totally illustrating Jim's point about boomers' need to feel better about themselves. quit looking over your shoulder and start working on a fucking solution for RIGHT NOW, whether for yourselves or society as a whole. We're up to our asses in incompetents at every level of government, and we need to change the status quo today...

Actually "The Seattle Times" published a similar analysis after 9/11 about Bill Frist ('Leader of the denial wing of the Republican Party'):


"Iraq was a war of choice, not of necessity. President George W. Bush and his neoconservative allies sold the American public (and Congress) a bill of goods that they had been cooking since taking office, even before 9/11 gave them an excuse to "kick some Arab butt" in retaliation."

In this regard, do you remember the widely-circulated parody version of the speech Bush made to the American people right after the planes hit the Twin Towers?

"Good evening my fellow Americans.

"First, I want to pass on my condolences to the people of New York and all Americans that are hurting in this tragic time. You can rest assured that anything and everything that can be done to assure the safety of our country will be done. This is the greatest country in the world and we will get through this trying time. Now is the time for all people to set aside our petty differences and show the world that no one or nothing can destroy the fortitude of the American people.

"To the people responsible for today's tragedy, I say this: Are you fucking kidding me? Are the turbans on your heads wrapped too tight? Have you gone too long without a bath? Do you not know who you are fucking with? Americans are so hungry to kill, that we shoot at each other every day. We will relish that opportunity for new targets for our aggression. Have you forgotten history? What happened to the last people that started fucking around with us? Remember the little yellow bastards over in Japan? We slapped them all over the Pacific and roasted about 2 million of them in their own back yard. That's what we in America call a big ass barbecue. Ever seen Texas on a map? Ever wonder why it's so big? Because we wanted it that way, Mexico started jacking around with the Alamo and now they cut our lawns. England? We sent them packing.

"Ask your buddy Saddam about fucking with the good 'ole USA. The only reason he got away the first time is because it's too hard to shoot someone when you're doubled over laughing at them. Our soldiers aren't trained to laugh and shoot at the same time. Now he couldn't stop a pack of cub scouts from taking over his shitty little country.

"Trust us, Afghanistan will end up a giant kitty litter box. Go ahead and try to hide, Bin Laden. There's not a hole deep enough or a mountain high enough that's going to keep your camel riding asses safe. We will bomb every inch of the country that harbors him, his camps and any place that looks and even smells like he was there. Hell, we might even drop a few bombs on people that have pissed us off in the past. This is America. We kick ass. This is what we do. Go ahead and laugh now, but the Tomahawks are coming and we will smoke your sorry asses.

"God bless America!"


Amen.

Wow Jim, your logic on foreign affairs is comical.

Every 2 or 3 months you get onto a hot streak and then suddenly decide to leave one appallingly clusterfucked post.

Thanks for the other posts.

"Even President Barack Obama is complicit in this failure."

Why, oh why, would have expected anything even slightly different.

The Republicans are "complicit".

The Democrats are "complicit".

Wall Street, the ruling class elite, the mercenary executive class, our federal and state and local governments, the media, the public schools and universities and essentially everyone else in a position of authority or influence are all "complicit".

Actually they are not "complicit" they are malicious in their accidental conspiracy to *foist* this upon us.

Complicit? Feh.

My immediate reaction to the Nobel was that it had nothing to do with Obama and was merely a giant "fuck you" to George Bush. They couldn't give Bush a non-prize, so they gave the prize to his successor as a slap in the face to Bush.

As far as our reasons for being in Iraq, all you need do is read the manifesto of the Project for a New American Century, first published in 1992 and signed by most of the scum in the Bush Crime Family.

Their goal, as they stated openly in the document, is total domination of the world by an armed-to-the-teeth USA and their primary objective was the invasion and occupation of Iraq -- with or without Saddam Hussein.

To set their plan into motion, they said that they would need some "Pearl Harbor-type event," which they got on 9-11.

Steponbugs,

Don't jump to conclusion dude - And yes I do give a shit... and I'm working on a "fucking" solution, at least for my family.

I've tried and tried to spread the word since becoming peak oil aware many years ago. Writing a column for a local paper in 2005-2006, mostly about peak oil, but no one wanted to hear it. I then wrote about my alternative life style, you know ride a bike to work leave the thermostat set low, grow a garden etc. All that got me was threats to run my "[me] and pansy bike" off the road.

It became clear to me that the masses didn't want to hear what I had to say just as they don't want to hear JK. So, what are the peak oil aware to do? I say yes to your "start working on a fucking solution for RIGHT NOW." And that may just mean not worring about what everyone else is doing (or consuming).

I also believe that is is important for historical reasons pass along some cause to mix with the effect.

Wow Jim, I am so knocked out with your truculence this morning. First you seem to sort of approve of the psychology of "Let's kick SOMEONE'S ass" theory of the invasion. (This is exactly why we have lost our soft power across the world). This was not only illegal, it has done little but create more war, more death, more suffering for everyone involved. It was rammed down our throats with the same sort of propagandic style that the Nazi's used to good effect.

You seem to think that the invasion of Iraq worked in preventing another 9/11 type of incident. Where have I herad that one before? Oh yeah...the W kept us safe meme. (Yes, and lighting a yellow candle keeps the elephants out of my refrigerator-what?- seen any elephants in my fridge?)

And you threaten to eliminate the posts of anyone who thinks 9/11 might have been planned.

I mean I woke up this morning and you've been possessed by the ghost of Irving Kristol.

"In summary: Iraq was therefore the best candidate for an ass-kicking in the Middle East."

Well, Bucko. It's well Past Time AMERICA takes a major ass-kicking in bulk terms.

I for one cannot wait. Call me unpatriotic, but the imbeciles I see daily in America and the thieves and liars running the place deserve some Real Pain. I for one, can't wait for it to happen.

Next Week: Nobel Humanitarian Prize to Dick Cheney.

Speaking of being complicit. How is it that the nomination for the prize was submitted within the first two weeks of the presidency? Firstly, that means the nomination could not have been based on anything that BO has done since. And secondly, would BO not have had to be at least aware of the nomination if not directly involved? Do I catch a whiff of over-weaning hubris here?

Before you delete this this comment, I point out that people who believe the official 9-11 story are the ones who insist on knowing the details of what happened. I don't claim to know how the 'worker bees' pulled it off. Building 7 can be seen from many different angles being demolished. Never on TV, but on the web it can easily be seen. No video exists of a 757 hitting the Pentagon, which clearly is an enormous red flag. And on, and on, and on. Please hurry up and insult me before this post is deleted.

"Please hurry up and insult me before this post is deleted."

Unnecessary. You have already openly declared your FUCKTARDEDNESS.


JHK,your recent comment about white roofs had me wondering about your mental state,your contribution this morning makes me wonder if you got an ultimatum from the murder and assassination branch of AIPAC.

wonder, is there a prize for leaders who can get their nation's priorities straight. No Democracies are setup to solve short term issues. As such its the long term structural inadequacies which pile up.

On another note, I like your idea of a wedge against Iran, except that Iran wasn't a problem in 01. At least not as its being being hyped now.

It might have been a good idea to place the military action in the middle east in the context of FDR and Faisal's handshake deal after Yalta. You keep the oil flowing, we'll keep the peace. No US president has ever bucked that trend, regardless of party.

What will happen when the US military budget cupboard goes bare? Even with forced conscripts (e.g. poor folks who default on loans and are "offered" a way out) the size and strength of the US military is going to be difficult to maintain.

JHK - share your views when 1+ million battle-crazed killers, specialists in urban/guerilla situations, return home (if we can even afford the return fare for them). My view is that they are never meant to return. The policy is to create empire outposts as quick as possible, and hope the empire can keep going a little longer.

Oy Vey,

You know JK, I like the idea of a new meme...

No more "conspiracy theories"...

Bring on the "Complicity Theories"

Yeah, go team Amerika.

More empire, More empire.

Plant seeds, oil your bike chain, turn off the boxes and step away from the Submit button...

Now that wasn't so hard, was it?

More milk and cookies and then a nice nap.

or was it the blue pill or the red pill.

Ah hell, take both.

Wake up to find the truth and then immediately forgettaboutit

Where are the keys to my Hummer?

This is one instance where JHK, Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh are on the same wavelength. Why the hell did the Nobel committee decide to award their highest honor on an individual who has done next to nothing to earn it. Now, before the Obama fans rise up and denounce JHK as a racist imperialist, keep in mind that JHK's criticisms of Obama have been fair, accurate and constructive for the most part. Which is something you can't say about Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck or the rest of the right wing jokers on talk radio. Obama has the potential to become one of America's most effective presidents, a 21st century Teddy Roosevelt or Woodrow Wilson. Why is he wasting all of his political capital and good will on propping up an economic system that has no future? Is he now drinking the same Kool Aid the King Stephen Harper has been drinking since birth?

wow, I used to think JK was an intellectual until I read this:

"I regard the true believers of this fucking nonsense as hopelessly brain-damaged -- and warn that I will delete your tiresome rehearsals of these scenarios, so don't bother trying to "correct" me."

And here I thought JK was someone who had the intellectual capacity to respect others' viewpoints. It's acceptable, in intellectual discourse, to say that a person's beliefs are ridiculous, or unfounded. But to say that they must be stupid because they believe XYZ makes no sense. There are very intelligent people who believe all sorts of outlandish things. It's intellectually lazy to simply label a person as stupid or crazy as a way of discrediting them. If I want to hear that kind of opinionated garbage I can go listen to Rush Limbaugh or Bill O'Reilly.

And btw I'm agnostic about the origin of the 9/11 attacks, not a conspiracy theorist.

Looks to me that since WW II (I was eleven years old when it ended.) our society has pretty much demanded a hedonistic lifestyle. It has been and is based on petroleum as its lifeblood.

With that in mind, haven't our leaders worked diligently to provide all that? In so doing, they got re-elected, right?

Seems to me that about the only constant has been the need for access to petroleum. Our foreign policies have focussed on that access, and the various decisions were based on the exigencies of the moment.

So, by 2003, it looked like Iraq would be a two-fold Good Thing: A cop-shop against Iran, and a source for heaping gobs of oil. Stability of whatever sort in Afghanistan is desired as the locale for another cop-shop, but also as a pipeline route for--dare I say it?--oil.

Our fearless leaders have given us what we as a society have asked for. Sorta pointless to go playing "woulda/coulda/shoulda" via 20/20 hindsight. Since most of the people in our society don't really seem to have a clue, about all I can figure is that it's pretty much every man for himself. Well, add in efforts to educate friends and neighbors. But so far I haven't had a lot of success, there, myself.

Enuf...

'Rat

IMO, three primary power bases united for the invasion of Iraq. The oil folks, such as Bush and Cheney, wanted control over Iraqi oil and a land base near the remaining oil. The neocons, with their very tight Israeli links, wanted the US to take out an Israeli enemy thus increasing Israeli power in the region. The Christian rightwing base wanted to kick ass and launch a righteous crusade to convert the heathen.

Each with their own agenda's yet united in their need to destroy Saddam and Iraq to achieve their goals. And they may have destroyed Iraq but the blood dripping from their hands just won't wash away. And whether they actually achieve their goals, only time will tell but is doubtful.

The warped morality in destroying a country and society to achieve their goals shows how far America's leadership has sunk into a ruthless empire mindset.

I do not understand how Al Qaeda has been deterred by the fact that Iraq's ass was kicked.

The US invasion forced Iraq's atomic weapons program to be moved to Syria. Israel took care of that end. The Pakis basically serve as custodians for the Saudi bomb. To neutralize Iran's atomic weapons program, you need to neutralize Pakistan atomic weapons program. This is what the negotiations with Iran are about. Unfortunately, the US just gave $7 billion dollars to the Pakis. This makes Chinezees happy, but like the Pakis and Turks, the Chinezees are not our friends. We need to ally with India and Russia against the Islamonazis.

"There are very intelligent people who believe all sorts of outlandish things."

Really? And you still consider them intelligent?

Jagger, maybe it's from watching the newsreels at the movies in 1945 which showed the survivors of the Nazi prison camps, but I've always had a favorable attitude toward Israel. They've survived genocidal efforts against them since well before 1948, and the efforts against them continue to this day. Hard to be gentle toward those who've been trying to kill you for over sixty years.

george, how can Obama "become one of America's most effective presidents" when his policies are 180 degrees off from what this country is all about?

Big Nanny Government bossing banking, auto manufacturing, water ownership, medicine? Bossing with all the efficiency and rational thought of the TSA? He's continuing a failed monetary policy with full strength--and wrecking the dollar thereby.

He's running faster from effectiveness than any president of my lifetime, and I've voted in 13 presidential elections.

That's part of the "why" of the scorn agains this Peace Prize nonsense. What did he do in his first eleven days in office to merit it? What has he ever done in his life before the election to merit it? Lord knows he's done nothing since inauguration to write home about.

A Nowhere Man getting a Nowhere Award...

If the war in Iraq was for control of oil, then it failed. At the moment, the United Nations is effectively the trustee of Iraqi oil assets, including the $2.9 billion in oil money currently in a United Nations-controlled escrow fund.

If the war in Iraq was to control Iran, then it failed. Iran is stronger now than before the war, while the USA is much weaker.

If the war in Iraq was to "send a message", then it failed. Al Qaeda has now expanded to 60 countries and is hoping, along with McCain, that Obama sends 40,000 more troops to Afghanistan. Bin Laden specifically said he wants more USA troops in the Middle Eastern theater, so he can kill them.

If the war in Iraq was to stimulate the American economy through "defense" spending... well, the corrupt contractors managed to piss it away, and their greed helped to tank the economy. We could not afford a $3 TRILLION dollar unilateral, pre-emptive, illegal, and immoral military adventure in Iraq and Afghanistan.

See the book, The Three Trillion Dollar War: The True Cost of the Iraq Conflict

http://tinyurl.com/yfngmvs

There is no need for another attack since we are now doing such a good job of destroying ourselves ... creating weakness and disunity by criticizing anything and everything Obama does and legislatively blocking all of his efforts to improve quality of life through the use of lies and disinformation campaigns.

As for "a conscious campaign to manage our own process of de-complexifying", that also is happening, albeit on a small scale right now. The growth of mutually supportive co-housing communities developed on a human scale, using green building principles, is increasing.

Check out the USA co-housing website: "building a better society one neighborhood at a time"

http://www.cohousing.org/


If we assume that the 9/11 attacks were planned by a group of radicals, and funded by OBL or his proteges, then Jim, how do we get from there to, "further attacks were thwarted by our Iraq invasion?" Am I slow, or doesn't that logic follow?

I don't see why OBL or his cabal of crazies would tell their jihadi buds to back down just because we might decide to obliterate a couple of ME cities. He's probably living large in the shadowlands of Pakistan, and I just don't think he gives a shit about our "response." In fact, wouldn't he like us to keep the fire going? Doesn't that play into his world-view? Just asking.

I have always been astounded that another attack didn't follow on the heels of the first one. I believe it would have been devastating for the U.S.. Many people were horribly frightened at that point, and another attack might have sent the nation into a permanent tailspin. Even a simple bombing of a building in NYC or Chicago would have left people thinking: we will NEVER be safe...and this will never end.

But it didn't happen. The question is why? I don't buy your answer.
Certainly law enforcement started paying a bit more attention in the wake of the twin towers dust cloud. No one wanted to be the guy who "dropped the ball" the second time. That may be answer enough, for, as we know, there were many signals of something afoot the first time, but we were living in a world in which something like 9/11 seemed unthinkable.

The lack of a second large-scale attack is the only thing that makes me think there is a larger, unseen hand at work.

As to Iraq. I agree with another poster who notes that it was not done for one reason, but for a host of reasons. At the end of the day, it had one major advantage over any other nation; It was a weak "target of opportunity" in which the Administration was guaranteed a win. All that talk about being welcomed as liberators didn't come out of thin air. That's the sort of stuff that was clearly being discussed in the Sit Room by Cheney, Rummy and Bush.

I'm just sick of the whole thing. Since I was born in 1949 all I've heard about is the damn Middle East and its various wars, blockades, sanctions, etc. etc. Are they, or we, any better off for all of it? I guess the folks who live in Israel are better able to answer that than I am, but the conflicts are about a lot more than establishing a Jewish state, aren't they?

I hear that our stupid Prime Minister Stephen Harper, that famous Bush wannabe, has now reneged on his commitment to get our troops out of Afghanistan in 2011. Since sucking up to the almighty USA is part of his delusion, we can thank Barak Obama for convincing him that Canadians need to keep fighting, in spite of opposition from the people back home.

It will never end, not in my lifetime.

But I do have an idea for Jim's next book. How about a story based on the dream that the Hippies prevailed, and peace and love became the dominant ethos in North America, along with a rejection of consumer culture and the preservation of the environment. Would it be paradise or a different kind of nightmare? Jim, over to you.

That is something I think about occasionally, and wonder how different the world might be if that had happened. Better or worse, who knows.

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) in a statement in Oct. 2002 claimed, “I believe that the success in Iraq will be fairly easy."

Why would anyone listen to McCain on Afghanistan after he got Iraq so wrong?

But Obama seems to be listening to McCain and to the generals who have been unable to win the wars in eight years, instead of listening to the people who opposed going into Iraq, and are saying to withdraw from both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Jaego,
Aren't you being a bit presumptuous to include yourself in the Aryan race? If my recollection of Nazi eugenics is correct I believe you and your Slavic brothers were suitable for duties such as agriculture or other “brute” labor and would not have been given an education. It's only in places like the US where you would have had the freedom to rise above your “inferior racial identity”.

Can we assume your racial views are a form of self loathing, or is your recollection of history just a wee bit selective? I don't believe for a second you would be immune in the world you say you want. As I reminded you before, fascists need enemies, and if they run out of one, they will look for another.

Frankly, in your new world order, I don't think it would be long before they got out the old play book on you and your kin. Remember......it ain't about science when you go off the cliff of racism. When some degenerate camp guard is standing over you with a whip, and you start shouting in protest that you're just like “us”, how do you think he will react?

Like the poet said; Don't ask for whom the bell tolls.... eh?

-------Jagger, maybe it's from watching the newsreels at the movies in 1945 which showed the survivors of the Nazi prison camps, but I've always had a favorable attitude toward Israel. They've survived genocidal efforts against them since well before 1948, and the efforts against them continue to this day. Hard to be gentle toward those who've been trying to kill you for over sixty years.-----------

I was sympathetic to Israel as well for many years. But I started watching newsreels out of the occupied territories in the 90s. Then I realized the oppressed had become the oppressors. Even worse, they are powerful expansionistic oppressors with the nuclear weapons and lacking any real remaining threats to balance out their ower. And of course, they have many Israeli first, neocon allies, right and left, in positions of power within the US.

We cannot sacrifice the well being of the US for the benefit of another country which has really gone rogue. As Americans, America must be our first priority. Israel is only hurting us.

As to Iran, I doubt the US will start another war for many reasons. Economically, it would be insane. And rationally, the military does not want another war.

The wild card is Israel. Will they drag us into another war by launching their own attack. We better ensure they don't attack Iran. Of course, we can't even get the Israel to cease building new settlements. So time will tell.

And if we really want a nuclear free Middle East, we will have to start with Israel. They are the only ME country with nuclear weapons.

Honestly, to find an INTELLECTUALLY HONEST (big "D") Democrat is such a relief.

(The once or twice we have corresponded, I told you I had purchased stock in a local rolling stock company and moved to a TINY town with a branch line. You were amazed I had followed through.)

What little about the war that I hear from the Marine Officer in the bed next to me sounds VERY VERY similar to your theories.

CONGRATULATIONS JAMES! You are officially a THINKER, not a feeler.

And to all of you MINDLESS ANTI-WAR LIBERALS addicted to the juice that magically drips from the walls to animate your APPLE gadgets >>>>

SHUT.
YOUR.
PIE.
HOLES.

"I always believed there was a larger motive for invading Iraq: the strategic need to kick the ass of an Arab nation as an answer to the 9/11 attacks.."

Absolutely correct! Revenge was the key reason for the Iraq stuff (strategic reasons offered additional benefits).

The Afghan conflict didn't present Rumsfeld with another "targets" to satisfy his and much of the nation's lust for revenge. So off they went to find a new dog to kick.

On the matter of war: These 2 "wars" BELONG to Bush/Cheney and every voter who voted for those idiots twice.

I will never, ever let them forget it. Republicons you own it.

piltdownman,

OBL and his clique receive funding and logistical support from state actors. All Jihadi terrorists do. They all operate as proxy armies for their respective Jihadi governments. To confront the Jihadi terrorists you need to confront their state sponsors. At the moment, some of these state actors have the US by the balls. This includes the Saudi oil ticks, who in cahoots with the car/oil/military/msm/banking mafia, are busy destroying the US and turning it into a corrupt, bankrupt, fascist/corporatist wasteland.

Well, CONSULTANT, you LIBS get to wear the BOOB WITH THE PRIZE around YOUR necks like a flaming tire.

Enjoy that gig come 2010.

"Iran is stronger now than before the war, while the USA is much weaker."

Hogwash. The folks that took to the streets are ample evidence that all is not well in Iran. Think our economy is bad? Compared to Iran it looks plumb.

"If the war in Iraq was to stimulate the American economy through "defense" spending..."

Only a MORON would suggest we went to Iraq to stimulate the economy. Oh, thats right asoka-his-pants posted this. He is a MORON. Never mind.

We all know that what happened happened for reason
I don't believe in conspiracy theories ;).
but http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pow5_UYKaJ8

and some books
"Day of Deceit"by Stinnett, Robert B.
"Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" by John Perkins

"As to Iraq. I agree with another poster who notes that it was not done for one reason, but for a host of reasons. At the end of the day, it had one major advantage over any other nation; It was a weak "target of opportunity"..."

Duuuuuh?!? Maybe it had to do with Iraq having attacked Kuwait. Remember the first Gulf War? Remember how Saddam agreed that he would be a good boy and play nice at the conclusion of that war? And then after 17 U.N. sanctions and our having been attacked we surmised we could no longer sit on our hands and wait for the next bad actor to act. All Saddam needed to do was allow inspectors to inspect. He chose not to. Bad choice.

"On the matter of war: These 2 "wars" BELONG to Bush/Cheney..."

And to all the Congressmen and Senators who funded the war. All those who now want to armchair general and play woulda, coulda, shoulda. Well FUCK THEM.

And regarding the current state of the economy...Bush needed support for the Iraq war to fund it. So he ended up being held hostage to all of the rat bastards (D's and R's) who demanded pork projects in their home districts in return for war funding. So all of these cock-sucking elected officials proceeded to wreak economic havoc on our nation or they would defund the war effort and our troops very lives would be put at risk. And it is my wish that these worthless traitors rot in hell for eternity.

"I blame my own generation, the Boomers, for establishing this wishful ethos as the basis for all the policy of our time..."

Agreed. And want to now what policy does influence the Arab world to behave?

Every heard of "Hama Rule"?

Arabs (and I am one of them, though US born) understand it when a brute like Hafez al-Assad slaps them silly. Arab big men do that (and Turks did it when the Ottoman Empire used an iron hand to rule the Middle East). Read Naguib Mahfouz's fiction or just grown up under an Arab patriarch. You'll see, and fast.

Yet I'll disagree with Jim that the reasons for the Iraq invasion were as simple as swatting a bad-boy among the A-rabs, because W, in his self-imagined role as today's Churchill, wanted more.

Bush's grand vision, thanks to Neocon theories of geopolitics, was of a rampant America (a term I lift from, I recall, an Atlantic article by Robert Kaplan or Jim Fallows). In 2003, I argued incessantly with GOP lunkheads who thought we'd just pivot the tanks 90 degrees, take our Syria, then do a 180 and roll over Iran to "clean out the mess." They obviously thought we'd pull it off. So did Rumsfeld and other Svengalis in W's inner circle.

I told them we Americans are not brutal enough to pull that off.

Ironically, I believe that had we been MORE tyrannical in Iraq, early on, and more Machiavellian about allowing the Iraqi army and its Baathist generals to remain in power, we might have pulled it off.

And the Arab world would fear us instead of continually poking us with a sharp stick.

After four contractors got murdered in Fallujah, we should have given the residents 48 hours to evacuate, then bombed the city to rubble and bulldozed the trash and bodies into heaps. Every town that did something equally stupid would have, like Hama in Syria, ceased to exist or, like Hiroshima, have been a watchword for what an angry America will do to end conflict.

The Boomers and the rest of the world would never have let us forget. The Arabs, however, would have remembered.

zzzzz said: "Only a MORON would suggest we went to Iraq to stimulate the economy."

1) Why do you bother to read and respond to someone you consider to be a moron?

2) During the second quarter of 2003, when the war in Iraq was in full swing, some 60 per cent of the 3.3 per cent GDP growth rate was attributable to military spending.

And the Republican deficit spending was done in a way Republicans loved: Instead of growing the government in general by pumping resources into public works, health care and education (which would have an immediate effect on sorely needed job creation), the Republican policy focused on those areas that represented obvious conservative and business-friendly constituencies: like defense contractors. In turn, they were contributing to Republican candidates.

"I do not understand how Al Qaeda has been deterred by the fact that Iraq's ass was kicked."

I don't think "deterred" is the right concept involving Al Qaeda. Iraq provided a local venue for the Sunni hotheads in the Middle East (also known as Al Qaeda's target demographic) to go fight and die against the "evil American Empire". It's really more of a lightning rod thing. Why go to the trouble of planning overseas operations when you can travel a thousand miles or less and get martyred? Thus, those in the Middle East who are prone to Al Qaeda-style operations against the United States less likely to actually attack on United States soil.

Great post! Aw, God. Nailed it. Look at this fuckin' guy. I'm speechless.

Notice how we got the corners worked here on D Block. I can't do that over on Dmitry's blog. He doesn't suffer fools gladly. That guy's got to be a ringer from a foreign country.

Here, units. Do not chagrin the master:

childish and silly. I especially follow the political podcasts issued by Slate and The New Yorker Magazine. They are garrulous without being especially astute.

That's what Kunstler does. he talks about something else, but he is talking about something else at the same time, as a conflict-avoidance gambit.

I'm proud to offer a noncommercial read for the extremely surreal:

http://sbillinghurst.wordpress.com

Yeah, this post ends with "priorities straight". All we got to do is turn the Nobel Prize into an ashtray. And take the Super Bowl with you!

Where Obama has gone wrong in his overseas bleating and self confession is the sudden mea culpa, sudden being the operative word. Americans watched W's testicles swell at the thought of his being a Texas Ranger. He was gonna show those goddam A-Rabs a thang or two. Of course, the avenger of his crotch was the good ol' American capitalists, like the Carlyle group and phoney baloney James Baker, Bechtel, etc etc. The American military industrial complex long feared by Eisenhower was alive and well, thank you. I think we all knew oil was behind this adventure. Many Americans had jobs and wanted to keep them, especially defense jobs. Big Ball politicians like Jack "the Snake" Murtha helped save New London,Connecticut by OK'ing more submarines for General Dynamics in Groton, Ct. New London was happy, they were "saved". Imagine how many other towns were saved by Big Jack.
Now, Pratt and Whitney aircraft engines in Connecticut is haranguing for reduced union wages and state tax breaks or else they will move out of state and out of country. They will take jobs and state income taxes, corporate taxes, etc on their journey outta here....you don't mess with the MI complex, otherwise they will pull up stakes and "see ya later".
Obama is not all wrong in his pissing and moaning overseas. We have been bullies, etc. But, Obama's confession should have been greatly protracted, slowed down, and watched for positive effects, and we should have asked why dictators and creeps loved his confessions. Instead, he came out in a few months' time and made us look like idiots. Wonder why Castro, Putin, Ortega, and Chavez truly love the guy?
We simply need term fucking limits. If we have to deal with assholes, let's at least limit the time they can be in office to buttfuck the voters and this country.

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Here in NYC,everything but pigeon poop comes from somewhere else,and I can only think that even a small disruption would lead to LA/Rodney King type
chaos for an indefinite time.

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[Let me just be a jerk]

"New York" MEANS "Renew the meat on your fork". Look it up.

So, ya think??!

I would like to stop pretending I give a rat's ass about this country. Dmitry Orlov doesn't care. He effectively defused any and all solutions to our many crises by pre-approving a "poison pill" or "time bomb" subversive actionate he calls a "boondoggle" to make the system crash faster.

Now, this post is BOOBY PRIZE, but read between the lines: The Nobel for LITERATURE was just awarded; that's what he's really sore about. Some of you do not know: This is the Boomers pride. JHK says that. You cannot be wanting of the Cliff's Notes for this shit when you've already been given the Internet. It is all cliff's Notes.

I cannot do the politics answer here in this reply; that's accountability and top-down, bottom-up individual-to-group and small tryrannies, and the tar brush, and Algeria, for God's sake. you accuse and you get arrested and you hang in your cell and never reach trial, Jack.

And that takes us to NY, NY. This is not Boomers until it is Frank Fucking Sinatra. You do not amount to zip unless you pay homage to those sick freaks.

I hate New York like Pace picante sauce. You stay there and take your medicine!

You had slave markets! You made every smidgeon of independence dry up by executing people we used to look up to, and the West was Kentucky.

I'd rather my hands were both cut off and New York was the ashtray, frankly. As it is now we have another 450 years of the same washout bust ahead of us while you take the lion's share of the West's bounty and leave us slightly inside your nuclear terroristic abominable and obscenely tragic "nuclear umbrella". We are part of Asia! Run another Pearl Harbor by us? Yes, we will keep the pressure on. We don't know any better. We are "East of Cleveland".

[stopping the being of a jerk here]

Look at a movie called, "The Peacemaker", with George Clooney. It is almost ludicrous as they grasp at where the attack is coming from, but it is "pre-post-WTC". It deals with 9/11. After 9/11, it is highly driven from relevancy.

Who I hate worst of all in all New Yorkian infamy is "Lizbet", of the 1800's, who concerns herself with the breeding of a special flower, the "pinkster".

Not a single "por favor" or "tequila" ever passed her lips. Even John Wayne said tequila.

I am going to raise my kids to hate New York. Hopefully, the Millenials will grow up to be a mob of 30,000 or so Boston Stranglers, descending on your town to rape your wives. "Come on, son, fuck that rattlesnake with sand. You like 'em dry."

So, we just stop criticizing Obama, right? What do we do as an alternative? Brilliant suggestion, Asoka. Why not just elect him President for Life at the same time. Hell, let's have him wear a toga and sandals and we can call him Mein Emperor. He's perfect and everybody who differs from him is obviously un-American, stupid, and viciously far right. Yeah, dissent is bad, other countries like Iran and Afghanistan see us bickering and they realize we aren't perfect. I mean, their elections were excellent, honest, and the right man was chosen in both cases. All Heil Obama!!

"We simply need term fucking limits."

If it is Obama and the Presidency you are talking about, they are already in place.

But really, Larry Elder had it right:
"We already have term limits, it's called voting."

bahmi said: "Wonder why Castro, Putin, Ortega, and Chavez truly love the guy?"

They don't. I could research all the quotes but I'll just take Chavez as an example:

Jan. 2009: "Obama repeats the same Bush discourse"

March 2009: "Obama is ignorant"

Oct. 2009: "Obama did nothing to deserve Nobel prize"

Chavez is right there with the other dictators, and with the Republicans, in tearing down Obama. Rush Limbaugh says he agrees with the Taliban, because the Taliban are against Obama.

Dale-the primary meaning of Nazi as wielded by people like you, is as a pejorative. If you want the real meaning it was a German Nationalist Party with Racial overtones. So you are right-I can't be a Nazi. What made you think I considered myself one? You're confusing your pejoritives with clear thinking. I would have told you but you before but you were never willing to talk to me-you just started screaming insults. As if wanting the White Race to survive was evil and therefore "Nazi". No. You have to explain why you want us to kill ourselves. No other people in the would would allow themselves to be dispossesed the way we are doing. To oppose this Elitist Conspiracy is healthy. To think that it is virtuous is sick.

I'm sure you consider yourself a nice guy. And you probably are in many ways. So you have to explain your belief and involvement in Communism-a belief and movement that killed over 100 million people in the Twentieth Century. And for the umpteenth time: where did they get their money from? It wont wash Dale. They were financed by the Elite to destroy the West. Hitler saw this, and he tried to stop it-yes to save the Aryan people. If he had been kinder to the Slavs, many of whom welcomed him, he would have had a better chance. His view was distorted by his years in Vienna watching a German Civilization torn apart by the Slavic Nationalist Movements. His was a narrow vision compared to modern White Nationalism which embaces the three main branches of European Humanity-Nordic, Mediterranean, and Slavic.

But one thing can be said for them: if the Fascists had won, Western Civilization would have continued. They wouldn't have sold Europe out to Islam just to get oil. Even Orwell admitted that they were not all the Barbarians that they had been made out as. But the people that we helped put in there-utterly traitorous trash who don't care about the West at all. Marxists in other words.

I always believed there was a larger motive for invading Iraq: the strategic need to kick the ass of an Arab nation as an answer to the 9/11 attacks

Duh? What did PNAC say? That a psychological pretext was needed to go into Iraq. They said it, not me. They understand the need to "Kick the ass of an Arab nation" very well. All they needed was a "New Pearl Harbor" to achieve their imperial goals. To reiterate my point, the architects of the war very well understood to how Jim reacted to 9/11.

But that is just crazy talk. Even though, they said it. But if you point it out, your crazy.

Right, Jimmy

I agree SEB. "Jim"-(the name lends itself to intimacy. True Morrison fans call him Jim) only attacks NASCAR, but what about the drooling baseball fans? Hockey thugs? Football creeps? Basketball gangsters? Away with them all. They are at once too violent and not violent enough. If I wanted to waste my money on kicks, I'd go see the real thing-Ultimate Fighting. Whites do very very well when the chips are allowed to fall where they may. But I don't choose to give in to that side of myself too much, so I don't go.

I want full gladitorial options: chariots, men vs animals, women vs dwarfs etc. What insurance policy will guarante this? Ever try dwarf tossing?

9/11 was a symbolic version of Hama Rule. And anticiporialy cataclysmic given American rigidity and non-negotiation, that is to say, simple-mindedness. As to the anticipating, well, it wasn't the contractors.

Our lack of brutality is obvious in our failure as Empire, despite our glaring brutality in American (or liberal western) terms.

Jimmy, it is obvious you are no longer as distracted, but I had a similar reaction as SEB noted - "he talks about something else, but he is talking about something else at the same time, as a conflict-avoidance gambit".

It's OK Jimmy, it is the American way.

Mr. K believes in violence so long as he doesn't have to do the dirty work. To avoid criminal wars, re-institute the draft and put Mr. K and his fellow parasites at the top of the list. I did my time, it's long past time they did theirs. A veteran, Viet Nam 1968-69.

For somebody who has so wholeheartedly drunk the KoolAid on Iraq, I am surprised you would be a regular here.

Larry Elder is wrong. We would have term limits with balls IF we could get around the machine that puts candidates up before voters. And, yes, Obama is term limited but senators and house reps are not. We can only vote for those who are on the ballots but there are things like money and nefarious influence that are responsible for who is up for vote. That process limits our effectiveness. There are capable people out there but they need the machine behind them to advance. Term limits would focus their efforts and not allow them decades to build power structures that are nearly impossible to crack.

National Socialist German Workers party is the translation of Nazi party.

Asoka, are you simple or something? Loving Obama does not mean love at all, it's the fact Obama has put dirt on his knees weakening our position in the world with his confessions, his constant denigration. Then, the freak tries to convince the Olympic committee that Chicago is a great place in a great country for the Olympics. What's wrong with this picture? Obama is not loved for his personal attributes, but for making us out to be idiots, brutalists, imperialists, crazy, dumb and crybabies. If Castro agrees with Obama, is this a good sign? Tell us how.

Jim: A fun read, but I disagree that any useful lesson was taught the Middle Eastern nations by kicking Iraq's ass. It only confirmed that we are imperious maniacs who care only about our own agenda. For all the money we spent(so far) destroying and then pretending to rebuild, paying incompetent US contractors billions, we could have bought a lot of oil and goodwill by helping improve conditions in this region. We made essentially the same blunder in Vietnam, without the reconstruction, but thankfully, they are Buddhists and more forgiving than the Arab and other Muslim nations. The US learned nothing useful from the huge waste of lives, oil, and money in 'Nam, so we're doing a desert re-enaction in Iraq and Afghanistan. "Winning their hearts and minds by killing them." Makes a lot of sense...to morons.

thanks for providing this venting forum for all of us american consumptionites. i truly enjoy your refreshing POV and how you tend to be objective and follow the facts - why is this so exclusive these days with pundits and commentators? i agree with your opinion on the two wars - its as good as any, its pragmatic. my only thing is that, while i am glad you arn't afraid to say the emperor has not clothes with obama, i think you still think too much of him, but maybe its more of an optimistic hoping for more b/c now its all we have for a president notwithstanding zero credibility or sophistication (like getting bitch slapped by "real" elites at the IOC [olympic fiasco]- and having no common sense to refuse the nobel prize). i love what you are doing though and you are one of the few thinkers i actually read regulaly.

Now Zzzzzzzz, you and I both know Gaddafi the elder is the political Elvis of the ME. He was never a contender in any real sense except on his own turf. Now his son, there's a different enchilada entirely.

I suspect the lessons of our forays into Iraq and Afghanistan will be left to those of us here the US to contemplate as our vets walk, roll or carry them home. The history of the ME is rife with the meddling of empire and fool alike, occasionally at the same time.

We have paid dearly in life, liberty and treasure for precious little knowledge and even less security.

Someone posted that we don't have a problem killing and actually kill our own on a daily basis, he is so right, why can't we redirect our energy correctly and unite against the savages that are bringing the WORLD down.
When I read in a newspaper that Obama is going to TALK with the Taliban, I thought we are in trouble, this guy is so Naive if he really believes he can 'reason' with these people. It is Never going to happen.

I have had a gut feeling for so long, and JHK puts it into words, and todays' post was dead on, imho.

and another AMEN to the person that wrote about what we should or may have to do to put and end the terrorists and their sick twisted actions.

Their is no way to talk 'sense' into them. They see the world completely differently. They will never care about this world.

I am not a writer but I try and I really appreciate JHK for 20 years now. I am a reader.

Melinda

This Nobel Prize for president Obama came from nowhere! My instant reaction was that is was a pre-emptive peace prize to encourage the president to caution restraint by the Israelis in any notions they might have on foreign policy

Is this a wishful political peace prize for those who still want to play hardball in the world's shifting crackerjack box sandpit?

Yes, I know. I was replying in a way that might be meaningful to Dale and his vendetta against me. He thinks that Whites have no right to survive-Susan Sontag's "Cancer of Humanity" and Noel Igantiev's "Treason to Whiteness is loyalty to Humanity"-as if all other people's are not race conscious and for themselves. You get the feeling Dale hasn't been around much. Yet these people are incredibly powerful-obviously the leaders and funders of this crap don't believe it yet poor guys like Dale do. Utterly tragic that someone can be indoctrinated to betray his own roots and culture. But it is possible and they have done it.

And for the record: Socialist does not mean Marxist. America itself once had a vibrant Socialism that was patriotic. Samuel Gompers opposed the massive influx of Chinese Workers into America. Reason? It wasn't good for American Workers and therefore not America. Can you imagine a Marxist taking such a stand?

Jim, I read today's post (very disappointing, BTW) and your link to letters to you from "conspiracy freaks" (your label) regarding 911. I expected they would be a bunch of off-the-wall accusations, but only found two very reasonable and informative letters there. The first one asks: " Mr. Kunstler:

How a man of your brilliance can have his head so far up his ass about the 9/11 lies is a perplexity of enormous dimensions. It really is the most depressing situation, one for which there are no words to express my utter disappointment. I just don't get it.

Griffin
bd6951@gmail.com"

How indeed? Ever take a high school level physics course? I suspect not. Long-time readers of your sometimes sensible writings do know, however, that you have a Zionist bent and perhaps that explains why an otherwise liberal Democrat would continue to deny the obvious and defend a point of view somewhat to the right of Rush Limbaugh and squarely in support of the Bush-Cheney version of the 911 conspiracy.

You can go ahead and delete this message after you or one of your asshat minions here, like Duncan, read it. Cheers!

Silverdoctor on page 1, excellent comment. AMEN again. I just had to say something about his post.

I live in a very liberal town on the West Coast and the naivete of the students is upsetting, I think they are just too young to get it, and are probably being brainwashed by the UC system to know any better.

But the President NEEDS to know better, and I don't know if he does.

I do not think he deserves the Peace Prize. I think he is a great speaker and he is inspirational, maybe he oughta be a minister or something similar but not the President !

Melinda

'I will delete your tiresome rehearsals of these scenarios, so don't bother trying to "correct" me.'
Hi Jim K!
You dont 'believe' in CHEMTRAILS...I dont believe in Chemtrails...but for very different reasons ..you dont think its reasonable, or something like that....
I dont 'believe' in CHEMTRAILS because I know the Govt is spraying us....i saw it on friday in southern california....and i took photos to document it...I havent yet posted the pics...BUT THEY ARENT SO DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS THAT ARE ONLINE.......so so much for BELIEF!

"For somebody who has so wholeheartedly drunk the KoolAid on Iraq, I am surprised you would be a regular here."

I've been here longer than any other current poster. I try and hold the hopelessly stupid in check.

No. Midgets scare me. I'd rather boot 'em soccer-style than get my hands on one.

You are absolutely right. Anybody with friends it takes to double-team you don't show me much.

You know, my German teacher, Herr Cohen, a vegetarian, said that when he got off the boat in New York and saw his first black, he couldn't believe it. He had never seen one. Can you imagine if Hitler had access to ghettos full of blacks where it could have gone? They'd be speaking German in South Africa. They'd have those lampshades in black.

"Jim: A fun read, but I disagree that any useful lesson was taught the Middle Eastern nations by kicking Iraq's ass."

Try reading up on Libia. Khadaffy-duck gave up on his pursuit of nuclear weapons about five minutes after we pulled Saddam out of his spider hole.

' DUH. Has our 60-year involvement in the Middle East ever been about anything else' ?????

Laura...what about Israel?
yr saying every decision USA made in 60 years was just about oil in Middle east?

I see.....you believe everything Hitler stood for..... except for that part about abusing YOUR closest relatives. That's the only example anyone really needs to see through your thinking.

You just don't get it, whatever “modern white nationalism” says now, I'm sure that when the time comes they will return to the “pure” doctrine. What's to stop them after all? not science, you've abandoned that, not morality......the muddled headed thinking of the weak. Fascism is an appeal to the emotions, and as such it isn't concerned with reason. When the “urge to be pure” returns, you know where that puts you man....on the outside looking in. Or more precisely, on the end of a plow, pulling hard until you die.

The reality is, all your East vs. West, Black vs. White, Jew vs. Gentile rants are just the natural outgrowth of a mental trip down the twisted lane of extreme dualistic ideation. The conspiracies both begin and end in the same place, between your ears. Your ideas have no more legitimacy than any comparable sub-clinical neurosis would offer. Unfortunately, you do have lots of company in your suffering. I read somewhere that 5 million people in the US believe they have been abducted by aliens! There is your peer group!!.......how could I possibly “discuss” your disturbed topics with you? Why wouldn't I likewise consider discussing the presence of hostile alien life forms on the far side of the Moon?

In terms that you would understand, you constitute the equivalent of a Judas Goat for your own ethnic group. If you're political ideas should ever become successful, the most likely outcome would be the worst possible thing that could happen to your heirs.

You don't need an outlet to vent your poison, you need a professional to help you overcome your mental illness. At the very least, I hope any children you might have are not so badly effected that they cannot overcome your influence and the suffering such thinking naturally entails.

'there have been no further acts of war here on the scale of 9/11.'

JIM...lets do a reality check.....the USA allows afghans to move here and then visit pakistan.....
does the name ZAZI ring a bell?

with open borders theyll be plenty more violence here.....'we' have to be right 365 days a year...'they' only one day.

-- the people who believe Dick Cheney or GW Bush or both (along with thousands of CIA and Pentagon worker bees) directed the attacks, or secretly placed explosive charges to bring down the buildings, or fired a missile at the Pentagon.... I regard the true believers of this fucking nonsense as hopelessly brain-damaged -- and warn that I will delete your tiresome rehearsals of these scenarios, so don't bother trying to "correct" me.

I won't.

But you can't call me brain-damaged you ass hole, mother fucker.

Jaego,

I sense your confusion about what to do when using the diminuitive, suggesting intimacy.

The most devastating attacks, such as those against Senator Mc Carthy, Dan Quayle, Richard Nixon (Hunter Stockton Thompson), require tagging the goose as one and the same as he whose goose is cooked. In other words, you need to open up against the betrayal of the convention that the traitor has violated in order to free the listener from identification with this level of heinous act.

We only want him, so Bukowski hits, "my father", not calling him "my Dad", and I know, it doesn't come natural to honor the subject of your vitriol by a seeming compliment. But, he isn't going to be in that teahouse of the August moon for very long.

Bukowski hits him with a "From the time I was about six until I was eleven years old, my father beat me two or three times a week." You want to argue it was never six, fine; he said "about six". Six, sihhhhhhhcks, and you know it is six, always has been six, and that this beast is that species of smarmy, symbiotic, sling-blade handwringing fortyish that does sixes. Six is not to his liking. You ain't going to see seven, potnah. A W.C. Fields' six. A "Honeymooners" six. Then he hits him again: "Whenever I am brutal to a woman I think, 'That's my father's chickenshit blood'. I got that chickenshit blood running through my veins." And it is so righteous that even Beatlemania was never so good. Yes, the South is there to go after. Lots of good material to be had stripping the flesh from the backs of the Southern Whites. They are wide open. I am speaking of the book, "To Kill a Mockingbird", by the New York one-hit wonder Harper Lee.

So call him James Howard Kunstler. Acknowledge him as "the author", to coin a phrase. In fact, in the topsy-turvy, mapcap world it is on the Internet, if he deletes your post it will ,ipso facto, be recorded as deleted by the author. Yeah, you wrote it, and so what? We'll just assume it was deleted and everything went acccording to plan. You don't author comments.

I want to hack his ass. You know where I can get me some password-cracking scripts?

Jaego,
Here is one of your fellow travelers;

"I dont 'believe' in CHEMTRAILS because I know the Govt is spraying us....i saw it on friday in southern california....and i took photos to document it...I havent yet posted the pics..."
Asia
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Sad.....maybe you guys could get a group discount at a mental health clinic.

see my post here earlier about chemtrails!

I believe you meant, "I hope any children you might have are not so badly 'affected' that they cannot overcome your influence and the suffering such thinking naturally entails."

Maybe another reason for the Iraq war was because the Saudis wanted us out, and there was no where else to station all those troops?

We built the largest Army base in the world [it has a car dealership] in a country for a 'temporary' assignment? Not hardly.

Think about Osama ben Laden's demand: Get out of their holy country [Saudi Arabia, location of Mecca and all that]. We caved in to him, and got our base, all at once. Kept Al Quaida from attacking, at least for a while, kicked Saddam Hussein's butt [teach him to mess with Pappy], gained control of a whole bunch of oil that has been underdeveloped for decades, and earned a bunch of graft from big oil, all at one time. Nice going, Shrub!

CENSOR TEST, censor testing, 1-2-3-

"This Nobel Prize for president Obama came from nowhere!"

Yeah, like Obama didn't write and get passed the loose nukes legislation in 2007 (with Republican Lugar), like Obama didn't spend two years on the campaign trail arguing against unilateral, preemptive strikes, and arguing for diplomacy and even, horrors!, sitting down and talking to enemies.

That prize just came out of nowhere, dude.

TO ANYONE WHO THINKS THE USA WENT INTO IRAQ FOR OIL:

"BAGHDAD — Iraq's oil ministry said on Thursday it had agreed commercial terms for a key deal with Britain's BP and China's CNPC International to almost triple production at a giant southern oilfield."
SOURCE: http://tinyurl.com/ychta65

WHAT IS THE USA RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR THE TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS IT HAS SPENT ON WAR IN IRAQ?

China (CNPC) and England (BP) are getting the oil contracts for oil now controlled by Iraq.

HOW MUCH OIL IS THE USA GETTING FROM IRAQ? (please cite your source)

Do you still think the USA invaded Iraq for oil?

"That prize just came out of nowhere, dude." Well, nowhere us regular folks live anyway.

Then there is this:

"Obama's acceptance speech:

'I will accept this award as a call to action, a call for all nations to confront the common challenges of the 21st century.

Now, these challenges can't be met by any one leader or any one nation. And that's why my administration's worked to establish a new era of engagement in which all nations must take responsibility for the world we seek. We cannot tolerate a world in which nuclear weapons spread to more nations and in which the terror of a nuclear holocaust endangers more people.' [emphasis OP]

No, really: Barack Obama just used his Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech to reiterate his threats against Iran.'

The above linked to from this:

http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2009/10/depraved-obscene-absurdities.html

Recent report of a radio-controlled sedan on the I-80 freeway near Sacramento, at traffic speed in the daytime hours, prompted a discussion in the coffee room. Various rationale for such a vehicle included passing thru a radioactive or dirty bomb event, quarantine zone, etc. Road clearing (wrecks, debris) maintenance didn't seem to be a consideration. But, why not rig up a monster Oshkosh crash/rescue rig, then fixing the road wouldn't be so critical? Vrooom!

Then came this line, "Radio Control"; this is a solution for the long haul truckers between Reno & Ogden/Salt Lake who have a problem with fatigue on that stretch of desert highway. It was amazing how mentioning shift of long haul trucking to rail haul seemed a radical notion... Long silence.

Segue to the motor fuel supply. Hope JHK went to, or had spies attend the ASPO-USA "System Reset" conference in Denver this (Oct 11-13) weekend. Peak Oil observers will watch their local and metropolitan newspapers and TV/Cable news to see what trickles out, and how long it takes; theoildrum.com is probably best place for "control" comparison.

Jim's mention of the New-york/Chicago train upgrades was interesting choice: New York Central Vs. Pennsyvania Railroad was the theme on THAT busy corridor, Central's "20th Century" ran against the Pennsy's "Broadway Limited". Steam at 100 per before High Speed rail was thought of in Japan & Europe. Imagine a Buick! called a "Century" or a "Limited". Or even a "Special", or maybe a "Super".

This car naming is relevant in realizing the GM penchant for finding ways to turn train minded America to car orientation. Later, in the late 40's, GM built diesel locomotives, financed the equipment so that, even the smaller & branch railways were easily hooked into dieselization while GM sold trucks and abetted the highway upgrades that knocked out the rail lines one by one.

There is a discernable demarcation of attitude in these comment sections, the usual nay-sayers and skeptics, nit-picking and fault finding. Also, the grasshopper vs. ant syndrome. Doomers who have decided the situation is hopeless. And, the ones who are quietly preparing, on various scales, according to income, location, level of family & neirghbor support, etc. And of course, the ones never commenting, confident in location and armament and hard currency. Enjoy your reverie.

Let's just say we, the Union of States, shall hang together or we shall surely hang seperately. If we do not assure Societal & Commercial Cohesion on a different methodology of energy and transport, then we can expect the worst, boys & girls. Jim mentions trains, rebuilding the US railway infrastructure, but most readers just don't get it. We are in a place that never experienced famine, because there were always trains, then trucks. If we can't fuel the trucks, we better put the trains back, hadn't we?

The genius of the in place US railway matrix, say between WWI & WWII, was the sheer independent nature of the myriad small lines stuck in amongst the big mainline operators, like capillaries in the human body. No capillaries, no muscletone... If you say it is hopeless to think about replicating the railway network, then just step aside, because fixing the railways is an easier task than marking time, then watching your family starve...

Many branch rail miles are in the "Rails To Trails" trust, track can be replaced. California has miles of dormant rail branchline in agricultural product areas, obviously warranting rebuild. Reformed Army/Guard Railroad Operating & Maintenance Battalions are suited for expediting the task across many of the US 3000 or so County jurisdictions, most of which having local rail corridor useful when trucking can't get fuel. The bigger the job, the soner we must commence the work!

Christopher C. Swan writes "ELECTRIC WATER", a compendium of updated energy generation and techniques for sustainable local economies in the Oil Interregnum. Anyone; ANY ONE, reading CF Nation can go the library or the net, and look over the "Official Guide of the Railways" and find which branch lines and Electric Interurban systems ran in their respective locale.

Look at 1920- 1950 editions of the GUIDE. That is basic. When the Emergency Federal Executive Orders for Gasoline & Diesel Rationing are issued, be the one in the meeting hall that KNOWS where the rails used to go, and how to reconnect to the existing rail system. Get on the Yahoo signals, railway historical, interurban electric railways, streetcars groups, and talk about Peaking Oil and railway rehab. Download GCOR, the operating rules.

Amazing, with a Chicago political machine in the White House, how rail challenged these guys are! Chicago, even now, is the mother of rail hubs.. Imagine a President willing & able to forward a national railway renewal program? A President able to separate "sexy" High Speed Rail vanity from requisite & STRATEGIC local railway reconnect. A President that reads & comprehends SunTzu. Able to comprehend WHY the Chinese are using our good WalMart money to build up a $500 Billion rail system.

Maybe the First Lady can relate the gardening to redoing the agricultural rail branches.

My stepson will turn 25 years old in Afganistan this spring on his third tour of duty. The first two were in Iraq. This is a real war if your loved one is helping carry the load. Let's put some senator's sons in front of the cannons. Remember the CCR song "Fortunate One".

Great insight with the Booby Prize blog, Mr. Knutsler. Your books are great also. Keep up the good work.

Graham Sullivan

"Our problems in running the nation as it has been set up to run -- as a colossal demolition derby with sideshows of bargain shopping and infotainment -- are insurmountable if one accepts the majority view that it is "non-negotiable."

Brilliant observation, as to your insight into the bullet-point list of the neo-con mind, I'm not so sure.

The direction that America is heading remains obvious; the trajectory is less certain. Mass & momentum have a way of creating their own reality, which defies crude time-line expectations

Right now the side-shows have millions tuning in to watch "The Geek" bite the heads off of live chickens, for infotainment. As long as Americans know nothing; travel nowhere and remain committed to perpetuate ignorance, the ultimate outcome is written in the annals of chicken-shit empires in decline. Self-delusion has limited survival value, as does cold-fusion. And as with cold-fusion, our solutions consume more energy than they generate. Augustine, who is not otherwise one of my heros, wrote: "One prays for miracles; one works for results."

I've still got my old "Whole Earth Catalogue." I can still sail into the wind. I will survive... for a while longer, at least until the shock-wave from the collapse of the great gas-bag, that is America, reaches the Mediterranean. Au revoir...

I believe Saturday Night Live had it right. The fact is that Americans are oblivious to the destruction we leave in our wake when we invade countries and bomb for a decade, or screw small nations out of trade agreements. Yes, this was the world saying "thank God you're not that evil fucking idiot W".

It was a repudiation of everything Republican and everything neocon, two organizations that just keep on destroying countries, people, history.

Hi Jim,
Please read the following peer-reviewed scientific journal article and take these verifiable facts into consideration. The international group of 9 authors of this article are currently touring European and US universities presenting their findings to the scientific community. This article has been published for 6 months now and their results have been confirmed by at least two other independent research facilities. The confirming peer-reviewed findings will be published soon. Thousands of critical thinkers in the scientific community are now questioning the "official" story based on these scientifically based findings.

"Active Thermitic Material Discovered In Dust From the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe"

http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM

Jagger,

You need to expand your reading/viewing list. I recommend some photos on the "Trail of Tears," or the internment of the Najavo.

And afterward, of course, you intend to hand the keys to your house over to the nearest Native American Indian tribe, right?

No? What a hypocrite. The land you're sitting on was stolen. You have an obligation to give it back.

So put up or shut up.

RE: 9/11, There was a classic line in the movie "Casino" in which Sam Rothstein says while firing the Slots manager "If you didn't see you were being set up on the second machine you are too stupid to keep this job, if you did, you were in on it, either way your out of here".
The truth about 9/11 is that if our billion dollar a day "defense" department didn't see what was happening by the second hijacking they are too stupid to keep their job (ie; billion dollar budget), If they did, they were in on it; either way the federal government lost credibility in the competence of the defense department to do their job that day.
Bin Laden strikes the U.S. military machine (USS Cole, Pentagon) time and again, over and over, but they never see him coming. And they are too helpless and weak to stop him before he strikes, and powerless to catch him and bring him to justice after.
The Impotence displayed by the DOD in the face of Bin Laden boggles the mind.
And the truth is, you easily can see why there are so many theories about what may or may not have happened that morning.

It is not possible, Scientific.

This is on the face of it.

Thermite is a two-component mixture, iron oxide and aluminum powder. Aluminum is very highly reduced, and wants the oxygen of Fe2O3, which is Fe+3 ferric. That's red. It is rust. It does turn, but it does that in the liquid state. I checked, and iron liquid I find hot. See where this argument is going? It is going where rust and aluminum are not uncommon materials to find at a construction site.

What does thermitic mean to you? You think I should click that link? Not a-gonna do it.

We would have had to go to France for some decent thermite.

Trace metals are run on a DC Arc Emission Spectrograph, supplanted in the 1980s by Inductively-Coupled Atomic Plasma (ICAP) Spectrography, but I always use spectrography and spectrometry correctly, in my sleep. I have the degree.

The people are the problem. You don't accuse the people in the country, who are the country, of treason, obfuscating the issue, a contrarian for the sake of your right to be insane, and we have had enough.

Please read the following peer-reviewed scientific journal article and take these verifiable facts into consideration. The international group of 9 authors of this article are currently touring European and US universities presenting their findings to the scientific community. This article has been published for 6 months now and the results have been confirmed by at least two other independent research facilities. The confirming peer-reviewed findings will be published soon. Thousands of critical thinkers in the scientific community are questioning the "official" story based on these scientifically based findings.

"Active Thermitic Material Discovered In Dust From the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe"

http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM

SEB said "You don't accuse the people in the country, who are the country, of treason".

To which I say, without further clarification on your part, why the f**k not? This country is rife with treason.

"Active Thermitic Material Discovered In Dust From the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe"

http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM

I knew it. I was wrong. I like not looking things up on the Internet, because those holes are so rare now. The holes from hearing a song for ten years straight, and waiting forty to find out, they getting the lyrics down, like to "Fame", make me determined to use my own mind, and the same job used to be done by a spectrograph. It's a spectrometer. You bastards! It's an instrument. It is as big as two refrigerators. The DC arc was as big as a Volkswagen. So nobody ever built the WTC with some welding rods with tungsten or some rare earths?

Well, anyway, like I say, and the country knows, you have to learn a foreign language. You have to start out on the Internet writing papers and publishing, but this is one of two things, either going back in a time machine or landing on another planet. Take me to your leader.

"Peer-reviewed", if that isn't the most cockamamie and viral appropriation of the very objection keeping you nuts in place. There ought to be a prize for that. You just lost 61 journals this year. Paper's dead. They'll do it every time.

Uh, one of the Journals lost was Vibe, Jaego.

Because it is C.I.A., not THE CIA, and like, you don't call it the God. Well, John Lennon did. He said, "It wasn't meant to be against Jesus as a man or God the thing or whatever it is." But that dude wasn't very gracious in the way he presented his retraction to the Americans. We didn't run over his mom. Some of them complain if you hang 'em with a new rope.

SEB said "Because it is C.I.A., not THE CIA, and like, you don't call it the God. Well, John Lennon did. He said, "It wasn't meant to be against Jesus as a man or God the thing or whatever it is." But that dude wasn't very gracious in the way he presented his retraction to the Americans. We didn't run over his mom. Some of them complain if you hang 'em with a new rope."

That's a pretty elliptical response to my original question, but not out of character for you.

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The French Did 9/11!!!!!!
September 2nd, 2009
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A very interesting controlled demolition technique in common use in France. It involves going into a prepared structure and using hydraulic jacks or other mechanical means to knock out key supports. The upper block of the building then demolishes the rest of the structure using nothing but gravity. a feat 9/11 truthers say is impossible!
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I went on in; angels fear to tread. and, I shudder with shame to think of a few years ago when I really caught the fever and hand-made a 9/11 TRUTH bumper sticker. Humiliating. Nothing like the functionary to Obama who lost his post in the new Administration, 'course. He bit the big one like a Pete Best. What a gravy train.

I read it. The 9/11 truth supported it, and like I said, there's a French connection (above). So, in Copenhagen they have these labs and in Amsterdam they got weed bars. get the picture? What do they got in Sweden? Well,l they got my brother, for one. See, just because it is Sweden does not say that it is Swedes. The globe is so opened up by petroleum for moving about that now, everyone is from jusy about anywhere. But oh! That's only for another MINUS four years, because my conspiracy theorist says Peak Oiling hit in 2005. Thus we come full circle to what's relevant again.

There is peer-review, and then there's peer-review. If this isn't a red herring, and even if it is, there is so much spare technical capacity (XRF begat XRD and XED and this is the elemental analysis method chosen, where quality is sacrificed in order to place an attachment on the SEM. Formerly, focusing on a specific grain in a matrix was done by ion microprobe, and one instrument or another, perhaps we can publish from 1500 sites with SEM while only 10 have NAA. The "peer" to this group would be a hater with a nuclear reactor at his disposal, as long as we can safely take him away from his real work. If he says fuck it, I guess he will have to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, not to mention the groundswells from the generations of the clueless.

You only need to fingerprint those grains to prove the manufactury of origin and no sweat--show they never welded any rails near the WTC using thermite.

pathetic post JHK. You've lost all credibility with your old following as the quality of your work in now in the shitter. Everyone I know who read you no longer finds a word you write worth reading. You must be losing readership by the load. Revenues down so now you must reinventing yourself along other lines...I will make a prediction...that within a year you will clearly be a has been, a no body with the legacy of mediocre thought and second rate scribbling. Go back to entertaining the doom and gloomers with fiery tales urban implosions and tattooed minions skinning suburbanite boomers alive while raping and sodomizing their schoolage children. Give up on pretending you are a thinker and go back to spinning yard.

pathetic post JHK. You've lost all credibility with your old following as the quality of your work in now in the shitter. Everyone I know who read you no longer finds a word you write worth reading. You must be losing readership by the load. Revenues down so now you must reinventing yourself along other lines...I will make a prediction...that within a year you will clearly be a has been, a no body with the legacy of mediocre thought and second rate scribbling. Go back to entertaining the doom and gloomers with fiery tales urban implosions and tattooed minions skinning suburbanite boomers alive while raping and sodomizing their schoolage children. Give up on pretending you are a thinker and go back to spinning tales and raking in the loot.

Don't feel bad or like HAL the Computer. Vibe is or at least was a fine research periodical. As Abbey says, they are discovering new forms of mathematics with their body movements. Can't they have a little music to help their research? Or should I say pleasure inducing vibrations? Limbic system enhancers? Testosterone boosters?

I saw that movie about sling blades too. I want one that sings as it slings. Yo Yos were weapons too. Big, sharp and from a tree. I haven't read all the Old Testament though. Is Jagger the Deutero-Jaego? And if so, is it canonical?

And let's not forget about the Israelis who were celebrating the whole thing on a roof top. They were "movers" and just happened to be living a few doors away from some of the terrorists.

Interesting article Jim, but I thought you were more aware of the world, given your past articles. I have always wondered why we attacked Iraq, and after digging deeper, about why the US, is not out of the recession. Which is going to get much worst, soon. I came across this page: http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_56866.shtml - yes, I know oil is traded in USD, but it all makes sense now, why we attacked, and will continue to occupy Iraq. It makes sense why Iran is on the list. It also makes sense, in terms of why we don't bother with countries like North Korea - it's that simple. Albeit, insane, and very sad, the world, we think we know, and live in. As for Afghanistan, it is also about oil, but more about the business of the US military. An excuse to kill people, and make some people very rich. History is repeating itself, you can see, and you can certainly hear the train coming, meaning the permanent train wreck, called the American Empire.

I'm a new listener on this site. Been reading Jim for about a year. I think most of the posters have their own ideas and that's good. However most of them don't know what the hell they are talking about. Try something like simple logic. Not you're radical Bullshit thinking. Especially zzzzz and the rest of the idiots on this site. Kunstler is no smarter than anybody and is only expressing his (maybe deformed) ideas. Are you all so deluteded that nobody thinks in real terms: as to what is really happening to this republic???

Dale you are so filled with rage and hate that it's impossible to talk to you. You were wrong about my being a Nazi-and now you blame me for your mistake! And if and when you meet a minority, you are probably such a kiss ass that you never even get to know the person. Just like with me, it would be nothing but massive projection; in my case negative and in this hypothetical case, positive. But never do you get outside yourself to LOOK AND SEE.

You didn't answer my question: why is wanting the White Race to survive so evil? Your silence can only be constued as consent for this policy-anyone who disagrees is "crazy". Nor did you answer my question about communism-you must therefore agree with the atrocities it has committed.

on talk radio they said they listened to Michelle/baraks speaches about ' getting the olympics.
in 81 sentences they said I or Me 80 times...or something like that!
The dept of education wanted school children to write letters about ' how they could help the president'

so you tell me...whats goin on?


and dale ...Kuscinich has petitioned the govt to find the truth about chemicla sprayinf of us air.

Bukowski was hasseled by the Goverment and scorned by everyday people for not joining the army for WW2. He told the draft board that he wasn't interested, didn't want to, was crazy, and that he wasn't going. The psychologist labeled him as extremely sensitive and mentally unfit for service. But he was hasseled anyway-wrong name and place of birth-Germany. He naturally developed an affinity for Germany based on this. He reasonably assumed that anybody that the US Goverment hated that much can't be all bade.

And indeed there were huge anti-war demonstrations before both World Wars. After all, their presidents promised peace just as our's has. Neither of them delivered and neither will ours. Our one has gotten a Nobel Prize for his lies-now that's a first. And these demonstrations were labeled "isolationist" and "Anti-Semitic". After all, they weren't being lead by the good people with names like Hoffman and Rubin.

Welcome aboard the good ship, You Suck Too.

You have the same view on Iraq that Noam Chomsky has that the U.S. just needed to kick some ass. The choices were North Korea (no oil and no one cared about) or Iraq the choice was very easy even for bush. I have heard that the plans to atack Iraq were on Bush's desk 4 days after he took office have you ever heard that.

reply to JAEGO SCORZNE
stop being dumb and say something costructive, instead of your dribble.

Yea, though I walk out of the valley of oil I shall fear no hard labor; for my great great grandparents did plenty!
http://www.suburbanempire.com
essays critical of suburbia and the empire it has spawned.

I think the same.

pre-meditated attack on the World Trade Centre would be treason. It's fine to speculate about possible motivations. For instance there is the accusation that at the bottom of the World Trade Centre there were bonds that were explicitly payable in gold so certain parties would gain by their destruction.

Well sure but that's a long long way from a conviction.

Jimbo,
You've got your head much further up your ass than even I could have imagined.
Have some ongoing fun with your rigid 'models of reality'.

Your analysis leaves out GWB's evangelical christian worldview. You don't tell the president of another country about biblical demons unless you really believe that crazy ass nonsense. We invaded Iraq because GWB felt God told him to do it.

Actually the hippie dream continues. East Wind was started in 1876 and it is a flourishing intentional community. There is the eco oriented Dancing Rabbit and the incredible art community Dreamtime. Ass are doing well, have land, have built buildings and are showing us how to do it.

Debunking Chemtrail Debunkers

If that is the level of "intellectual discourse" involved in "debunking" chemtrails, it is only further testimony to the truth of their existence. ...
www.rense.com/general30/deby

Exactly.

Purple said, "But really, Larry Elder had it right:"We already have term limits, it's called voting."

James Hazel said it better, " REELECT NOBODY "

Toynbee would agree with you. The challenge was represented and we failed to successfully meet it. The definition of an empire in disintegration.

Christophr Hitchens said Obama should have declined.

I loathe the Taliban. I want to see them all dead.

You are doing very well-already one of us.

"That prize just came out of nowhere, dude."

It was a Peace Prize, not a Hope Prize.

Yes Asoka the US did. But they were so stupid about it and so hateful to the civilians that we made them hate us. We were going to use the oil to pay for our war. Ha ha ha.

James,

Fact is most USians don't know an Arab from a Sikh from a Kurd from a Druze. They couldn't look at a person from one of those groups and identify the traditional dress. This whole "kick some Arab butt" meme is so stupid I can't begin to form an argument, because it would be like arguing with a tree stump.

As for the "conspiracy theory" thing, you can forget about that, too. You evidently subscribe to the "ragtag band of Arab hillbillies" conspiracy theory which has been bandied about in the MSM since about 20 minutes after the first plane impact. I do not subscribe to that particular theory.

However, you have hit on the one thing which will define our future: resource depletion. At this point it doesn't matter whether we nationalize the car companies, shut them down, bail out Wall Street, mail every US citizen a check for $250K or invade South Ossetia, we are escrewed. jodido.

You forgot to mention the first attack on the WTC in 92 or was it 93. Not successful but a great warning. Then seeing Man On Wire I was astounded how easy it was for them to go up at night and string the crossing wire. These people are seriously asleep.

Consider this. Jaycee Dugard kept captive in a hidden compound in a back yard for 18 fucking years. What if they had been making bombs back there? Or somewhere else since it is so easy to hide from idiots.

So much for Homeland Security.

messianicdruid said: "It was a Peace Prize, not a Hope Prize."

What is peace?

Hint: it is not simply the absence of conflict.

Obama is planting seeds of peace, justice, and hope. We all should plant seeds of peace, hope, and justice ... if not for us, then for our children, believing they will grow strong whether we live to see them bear fruit or not.

Peace does not come from violence toward enemies. They've been trying that for 5,000 years in 3,000 wars and look at the world. Still no peace. There is no violent way to peace. Peace is the way.

Peace comes by sitting down with enemies, by talking, by breaking bread together, by sharing, by seeking understanding, by looking for common ground to work together for a better world.

Bush was all "bring it on" in your face, "dead or alive we'll smoke him out", my way or the highway. Bellicose. And Bush failed, and in the process of war-making Bush spent the nation into the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.

Obama has been consistently conciliatory, go to the Islamic world in person, declaring in Turkey that Muslims are not our enemies.

Obama deserves the Peace Prize for changing the tone and lessening world tensions.

We cannot oppose violence with violence. Peace is the way. As Bishop Desmond Tutu said: "We must not allow ourselves to become like the system we oppose."

Yeah, if we hadn't invaded Iraq and had instead curtailed our use of oil we would have been much, much better off. The entire world would have been better off. How much oil did we USE in order to wage this illicit war on foreign soil? Meanwhile, during the Bush years, people thought it was cool to drive a HUMMER.

The Iraq war was a fucking fiasco no matter how anyone tries to spin it. We have spent almost a trillion dollars on these two wars. That was a significant reason the economy is collapsing.

I wasn't fooled by the Bush administration's lies. I knew it was all planned well before they began their talking points. You could see the lies in their faces. Not to mention the whole "he tried to kill ma daddy" thing.

60% of the oil we use is imported, according to what I read. So if we cut our use by that amount, we would be able to meet our own energy needs without imports right now. That's about the amount of oil per capita that people use in Italy. I've been there, and people seem to live a pretty decent life. Some might consider it better than ours.

This is cruel. However you are correct. But it is obvious when you look at his genre paintings. He has learned to paint the current scene, not well, but it has produced an interesting development mentally for him.

I suggest you read David Foster Wallace for razor sharp observation, compassion and bitter truth. But not cruelty.

DIYer said: "jodido."

Everybody is saying this. Nudge used to say all the time: "We are fucked"

Yet nothing changes. I will believe we are jodidos when NASCAR races are cancelled, the server farms that drive the internet have no more energy, and the tanks and jets and military bases cannot run any longer because "we are jodidos"...

Not gonna' happen.

More likely a green economy grows stronger, alternative sources of renewable energy are developed, and conservation is truly embraced along with downsizing of our residences and simplifying our lives, living with less crap and a better quality of life in which human relations take priority over material possessions.

"Perhaps our adversaries are content that we have committed suicide by securitized debt and they are enjoying the spectacle of watching the American economy slide down history's cloaca maxima."

The destruction and occupation of Iraq was a stupid and wasteful enterprise--and is part of the slide.

"Our only hope, really, is a conscious campaign to manage our own process of de-complexifying, before the universe manages it for us, whether we like it or not. One tragic part of this -- among many and for many parties -- is that we did not use the last decade of relative world stability to get that process underway here."

What a joke "relative world stability" I see, the rest of the world calling for Bush's head and 100-200K Iraqis being butchered is stability? You sir are a bigot.

Read Toynbee. Yes the empire is disintegrating. The unwinnable war is being fought far from the empire's boundaries. Barbarians are enlisted in the cause and trained with the latest weaponry.

We are following in Assyria's path. Only they lasted some 800 years. But in 200 years after, an army moving through their landscape and seeing the desolation, no one knew who had been there before them. Disappeared from memory.

Anne said: "The Iraq war was a fucking fiasco no matter how anyone tries to spin it. We have spent almost a trillion dollars on these two wars."

Three trillion, Anne. See this book:

The Three Trillion Dollar War: The True Cost of the Iraq Conflict written by Nobel Prize-winning economist Stiglitz and Kennedy School of Government professor Bilmes.

http://tinyurl.com/yfkmj6l

My hero Bernard-Henri Levy said the same thing today over at huff po. Go read.

Um, Abbey-are you there? (I feel like HAL 2000, after he killed Dave) I found the Toynbee reference that "we" were lookin for. In Vol 1, page 232, he states of the 21 major civilizations, none were created by Blacks. His theory, put forward in Vol 2, page 26-29, is the one you often quote of challenge and response. He says that since the Black Man lived in a tropical paradise, he was never challenged. Now other people have said that because he lived in a tropical hell, he was challenged too much. The short answer to all this is the fact that much of East Africa is a fertile highland with a warm but temperate climate-not a jungle "paradise" or "hell" but ideal conditions similar to those that have fostered many civilizations. And this zone extends in varying size down the Eastern End of Africa to South Africa.

Another theory used to expain the backwardness of the Negro, is Kroeber's Cultural Diffusion Theory. It states that the Negro was cut off from the flow of ideas and goods that other peoples enjoyed. But was he really with Egypt just to the North and Arabia a short sea journey away. Was he anymore isolated than the Incas? Or the Maya-who did live in tropical jungle conditions.

I only have one volume of the two volume abridged edition. I'm getting this reference from "The Dispossesed Majority" by Wilmot Robertson-an early White Nationalist Classic. So I don't know what his criterion of a Civilization exactly is. I think it's fairly high-he rejected the idea of a unique Jewish Civilization just including them in the "Syriac". So I although Ethiopia is fairly ancient-I don't know if it was significant enough for him to mention in this context. Or did he not consider them Negroes? They do not consider themselves such. Much superior in their own minds. Funny story: when Selasie got off the plane in Jamaica, the Rastafarians were brutally disappointed by the small, brown, sharp featured, elegant King. They were expecting a magnificient Negro as their religon demanded. They refused to recognize him and considered it a trick. Like the Kwanza of Ron Karenga, this was apparently a made up religion-by an Communist Jamaican Black educated in America.

Jaego said: "A crucial distinction: a dynasty is not a civilization, just one phase of it."


I don't know how Toynbee missed that the early dynastic Egypt was a black civilization and even though modern geopolitics place Egypt in the Middle East, geographically, the entirety of dynastic Egypt, as well as the modern-day nation (except for the Sinai peninsula) fall within the African continent.

So you could say that Blacks gave us one of the more important and influential elements of early Western civilization, one that gave us the mystical model.

The mystical model has as tenets Supreme Identity, Universe as Great Chain of Being, and the Doctrine of Adequatio.

Gnosticism, the Hermetic tradition, Neo-Platonism -- "the underground reality tradition in the west" – represent this Egyptian strand of western culture.

It surfaces periodically in the early Renaissance, Rhineland mysticism, Quietism, the Kabbalah, Hassidism, Sufism, Theosophy, the "Perennial Philosophy," and Transpersonal Psychology.

These ideas and intellectual movements are in harmony with eastern nondualist approaches.

I would recognize the Black roots to those developments of Western civilization and say that it is a significant Black contribution to humanity.

Most regimes or dynasties last a little over 200 years, so our demise is right on schedule. A crucial distinction: a dynasty is not a civilization, just one phase of it. The Chinese and Ancient Egyptians fell again and again and rose again and again-usually down or up the river 200 miles or so. Never in the same exact place. We will not rise again-we have lost our Ethnic Substratum without which no Civilization is possible. You can't have America without the Founding Race. Something will rise again-but it probably wont have anything to do with what we were either ethnically, politically, or culturally. No one considers Modern Egypt the same Civilization as Ancient Egypt.

Jaego said: "A crucial distinction: a dynasty is not a civilization, just one phase of it."


I don't know how Toynbee missed that the early dynastic Egypt was a black civilization and even though modern geopolitics place Egypt in the Middle East, geographically, the entirety of dynastic Egypt, as well as the modern-day nation (except for the Sinai peninsula) fall within the African continent.

So you could say that Blacks gave us one of the more important and influential elements of early Western civilization, one that gave us the mystical model.

The mystical model has as tenets Supreme Identity, Universe as Great Chain of Being, and the Doctrine of Adequatio.

Gnosticism, the Hermetic tradition, Neo-Platonism -- "the underground reality tradition in the west" – represent this Egyptian strand of western culture.

It surfaces periodically in the early Renaissance, Rhineland mysticism, Quietism, the Kabbalah, Hassidism, Sufism, Theosophy, the "Perennial Philosophy," and Transpersonal Psychology.

These ideas and intellectual movements are in harmony with eastern nondualist approaches.

I would recognize the Black roots to those developments of Western civilization and say that it is a significant Black contribution to humanity.

WHITMAN RESPONDS TO TOYNBEE

"Have you reckon'd a thousand acres much? have you reckon'd the earth much?

Have you practis'd so long to learn to read?

Have you felt so proud to get at the meaning of poems?

Stop this day and night with me and you shall possess the origin of all poems,

You shall possess the good of the earth and sun, (there are millions of suns left,)

You shall no longer take things at second or third hand, nor look through the eyes of the dead, nor feed on the spectres in books,

You shall not look through my eyes either, nor take things from me,

You shall listen to all sides and filter them from your self."

--Walt Whitman, "Song of Myself"

The awarding of the Nobel Peace prize is merely another scene in the Madison Avenue fiction that is called “The Obama Presidency.”

The U.S. invasion of Iraq coincided with Hussein's acceptance of Euros for oil instead of the dollar.
Iran has, or, is in the process of doing the same thing and, of course, this coincides with the braying about Iran developing nuclear weapons. Never mind that Israel, Pakistan and India are held to no such standard. If the U.S. attacks Iran it will be breaking precedent with it's policy of only attacking those who cannot defend themselves.

I thought a writer to a newspaper I read covered the awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize to Obama best when he said. "He fully deserves it. Merely by ousting George Bush he has done more for world peace than he is ever likely to again."

Even lovers of Obama have to see his messianic bullshit is not much different, spatially, than W's absurd religionist stupidity. The Peace prize is actually a tar baby and Obama furnished dissenters lots of ammunition to diatribe against this fucking stupid political wish dream. Bottom line is that this country is in deep shit. We talk and talk, but when will we agree that term limits are as necessary as breathing? Obama is not a magnanimous individual, he's a narcissistic blowhard with upturned chin. Once his ilk and brethren realize this empty suit has nothing for them or anybody else, they'll still vote for the prick. Hell, make him Presidente' for life and beyond. Say what you wish about the insurance industry, I consider it very American that they are starting to fight back in earnest. Peace prize is a pathetic political statement from a pathetic plutocracy preaching to the masses, the unwashed masses who need the benefit of the unlimited wisdom of the upper classes, the financial classes who will eventually sink this country. Obama is the Impostor, not the Messiah. Winning the prize merely because he deposed a two term president is no reason even though a few smartasses think so. W sucked, Obama will suck more. But, many Americans who got used to sucking the tit of government programs think the more government, the better. This sea change amongst individuals who generations ago believed in freedom of the individual now believe government is the germinative origin and sustenance of life in this country. How fucking strange and pathetic...

I can't even convince my own wife that we are in trouble. I asked her to read "The Long Emergency", she got about 2 chapters in and stopped. Can't stand too much reality, I guess. So, I have pretty much accepted that I/we are doomed and I have been mentally preparing myself for death. And the screaming and chaos leading up to it. Likely to be a very miserable, agonizing death. I'm imagining one of three scenarios: 1) Starvation 2) Hypothermia or 3) Murdered by some desperate asshole.

Or maybe the earth really does have a creamy nougat center made of oil! And electric cars will be everywhere! Give me a fucking break.

Enjoy the scorched earth my Amish brothers. You will be a part of the few who survive.

Dear "bahmi", Please reserve your angry rants against Obama and support for the insurance industry until the next tea bagging session.

He missed it for the same reason people miss Cleopatra was Black-it's just not true. Egypt lasted a long time and there was racial variation. But Physical Anthropology clearly shows that the populace was not Black during the early and classical periods. In fact, a few of the Ramses Pharoahs had red hair. Later on there alot of Black mercenaries and slaves came in. And a group of Nubian Mercenaries overthrew a weak dynasty and ruled for about a hundred years. They were thrown out, but the genetic decline of Egypt was already far along. Any time you see huge amounts of ethnic or racial diversity walking around on the streets-you know that that civilization is nearing its end.

Whitman was of the same school of thought as the hated Booker T Washington. He felt the Black Man, like all primitive races, would have his Day, his date with Destiny. Until then, he would have to wait. No mixing-such a thing could only drag Whites down and insure the Black would never have his day. Of the Big Three approaches to the Negro Question: Booker T Washington, Marcus Garvey, and W.B.Duboios-the first two had merit, the last one did not. Needless to say, we chose the communist integrative model of the Octaroon W.B. Dubois. Garvey's model was for the Black Man to go back to Africa. This was clearly the best and we should have thrown our weight behind it-as their Great White Father, Abraham Lincoln wanted.

The Amish, as pacificts, will become serfs-and very valuable ones. Thier new masters will probably be Black Warlords who flee from Philadelphia.

"What is peace?"

"They keep saying to these rebels who despise my word, `Don't worry! YHWH says you will have peace!' And to those who stubbornly follow their own evil desires, they say, `No harm will come your way!'"..."They offer superficial treatments for my people's mortal wound. They give assurances of peace when all is war."

Whew! Talk about projection! JHK accuses the "Left" of psychological feelings about world politics and then ascribes the US invasions and occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq to macho posturings and desires for revenge.

He doesn't just disregard scientific explanations for a disbelief in the ruling class story of 9-11, he threatens to delete anyone who dares mention physics in this space, while allowing racists to rant on about scientific studies showing that blacks deserve their poverty.

If his belief that the US invaded Afghanistan and Iraq for revenge of 9-11, wouldn't the more logical victim have been Saudi Arabia? They're Arab and they were blamed for manning the planes.

If you don't believe in oil as a basis for US foreign policy, believing in revenge instead, why ignore Saudi Arabia? Could there be a flaw in your logic?

And to reject those who reject the official story of 9-11 as scientifically impossible because you feel in your heart that people can't keep a secret is a bit illogical as well. Brain dead? More projection, I'd say.

And if there is one thing you can believe the US ruling class on, it's that they want a strong central government in Afghanistan. They want a dictator strong enough to stamp out dissent and enforce US interests with brute force. They want a dictator just like the dictators that have kept US profits flowing from South America to Africa to Saddam's Iraq and the Shah's Iran. Boy, those were the days!

That is, indeed, why the buildup of troops in Afghanistan, not some wishy washy desire to avenge 9-11 in a mistaken, non-Arab backwater. Whoops!

Come on. You can't be deluded enough to believe that US foreign policy is based on beliefs, vague desires and mistakes.

Well sir, it sure beats the status quo of the ruling elite: Whites are responsible for Black Poverty-even in Africa. Therefore they have a right to our money in perpetuity. They and all other lesser breeds without the Law-the result being regular Whites are turned into serfs serving Minorities while the Elites laugh in triumph at the death of the Republic-which Blacks can never be part of because of historical factors as well as their limitations. A few could-like Clarence Thomas. But most of those who could don't want to-they prefer to see Whites as serfs serving their lesser bretheren. A hidden factor in affirmative action: it buys the allegiance of the brightest minorities and it binds lower and middle class Whites with a monstrous illusion of "virtue". And the churches have by and large sold us out: a large Evangelical Council just affirmed their support for the amnesty-despite the overwhelming opposition of their members.

Jaego says:
“Just like with me, it (you attitudes toward others) would be nothing but massive projection; in my case negative and in this hypothetical case, (your case) positive.”
I wish that last part were true, that is what I aspire to in fact. I wouldn't call it “projection” but a recognition of an individuals true nature, without the usual obscuring emotions and obstructions. You are incorrect however, when you say that I hate you, I have become successful at examining my emotions at least that much. In fact, I can honestly say I don't hate anyone, or any group. There was a time in my life when I was truly a bad MF, now I step aside for insects. I might manifest here at times in a wrathful way, but I don't do it with those I think can't handle it. The on-line world is a unique universe where the rules of face to face interaction don't always apply. Funny thing about emotions, the more you examine their true nature, the more the negative emotions tend to diminish.
It is tragically easy to understand where you are coming from. It's practically a central tenant of Buddhism regarding emotions, negative emotions lead to more negative emotions, the distortions compound themselves over and over again. This is karma at work. The particular type of obscurations you manifest are of the worst sort. In psychological terms it might be called something like “compulsive -obsessive dualistic ideation disorder” In short, you divide the world into opposing camps, into a black and white, “I vs. other” self ordered universe. In relative terms, some of your divisions may even have a grain of truth to them, in the ultimate sense, they are all illusory. This is why I can't debate issues like “the survival of the white race” with you. I don't just think that is an illusion, I know it is..... absolutely. It's a manifestation of your obscuration driven, animal nature fear.
To answer your political questions, I don't believe in communism or any other “ism”. My sense is that totalitarian fascism is very similar to totalitarian communism, political philosophy is not linear, it's circular. I consider myself closest to some kind of democratic socialism, based on my particular views of how people would be best served. But I'm aware that is only a relative understanding, without any inherent truth to it. So....such labeling is correspondingly of very minor importance to me. Hardly worth a debate.
I can recognize your attitudes for what they are.....suffering, and a pretty serious form of it. I have my own illusions and obscurations, we all do, and I recognize mine as suffering as well. I've dealt with my animal nature and many of my fears and I've correspondingly diminished my suffering in the process. It's never too late, I hope you find an answer to yours as well.

Lesser breeds and poverty are two different issues.

You seem to most concerned that Blacks will take "our" (white?) money.

But you believe that Asians are smarter than whites and smarter people deserve more money, therefore it is not "our" money, but Asian money that is being taken by lesser peoples, (White and Black).

Actually, money is just a means of exchange. We could provide a decent living for all peoples, white, black, asian, stupid, smart, lazy and ambitious, if not for the leech class which uses money as a means of power, furthering inequality, hunger and poverty, so that they may live in ridiculous luxury.

And, yes, Africa is a very rich continent. Why do you think that the US wants to put a command base there? And if Africans are so stupid, why are they refusing, whereas Europeans are covered with US military bases?

Fat Tax

They had news. It was the news. It was on television. They had a story about the new "fat tax", and later they had Rush Limbaugh, ostensibly because he is buying the Rams. Actually, Rush lost 85 lbs.

JHK calls America a nation of overfed clowns. Am I right? So, how are we getting this information dished out to us? I'll tell you: Everything that you cause America to do, it is going to do the wrong way. It is a little lost lamb. The news needs to do a story about Peak Oil.

Because Rush Limbaugh lost weight does not say the America is doing something about its obesity problem. On the Ship of State, it is not up where the Captain has a private galley that the obesity problem is manifest. It is down where we all sleep stacked three high (I wish I had pancakes).

No, Rush Limbaugh is the last celebrity to get slim. They were all already skinny. Michael Jackson didn't need to lose weight, he was a drug addict. Rush Limbaugh was a ... is he dead (please make him dead)? Rush is a drug addict. If he is thin, I want to know which drugs he is on.

Why I want this information is because this is news, and I am curious. It is not to follow Rush. Rush hasn't been skinny that long.

Folks, I want to say that hereabouts we are liberals. As liberals, it is what we stand for, not what we say, and certainly not what we do. I for one am not going to do jack shit. I went poo-poo today and now I am going to be on the computer.

http://sbillinghurst.wordpress.com

I have a web log, and I do not write in it all the time. How can I be in two places at once? I can't. Go visit my blog, and look up posts that tell you how to make methamphetamine and go to work. It is just a blog; that is what it has to be. It would be secret formulas if pirates ran the Internet.

Turning now to Jaego Scorzne, it is hard to see how an avowed racist can be a liberal, is it not?

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He missed it for the same reason people miss Cleopatra was Black-it's just not true. Egypt lasted a long time and there was racial variation. But Physical Anthropology clearly shows that the populace was not Black during the early and classical periods. In fact, a few of the Ramses Pharoahs had red hair. Later on there a lot of Black mercenaries and slaves came in

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He missed it for the same reason people miss Cleopatra was Black-it's just not true. Egypt lasted a long time and there was racial variation. But Physical Anthropology clearly shows that the populace was not Black during the early and classical periods. In fack, a few of the Ramses Pharoahs had red hair. Later on there a lot of Black mercenaries and slaves came in

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I put it how I like it. Do we have hair in it? Ahh, so boss. It has a pronunciation key, Qu'est-ce que c'est?. Let's have RAM-a-sees, the HOLY see, Satan and Santana, FAY-roe, fay-ROWS, Viking and Vi-KING.

We are all kings. We have a world with all kings in it. and, we don't have Michael Jackson. Check his temperature. The presence of for-mao-DEE-hyde makes my point. He's dead. Jaego's alive. He's liberal. Jaego, go click on my ads, make me some money, will you?

Now folks, you may wonder why I love Jaego. well, obviously, it is because he has writing talent, and I like to read. He has so much talent that if he wrote his own blog half of Kunstler's readers would follow him over there, me included.

Jaego, not to argue with you, and not to point up the logical flaws in your "rants (since I don't see them as rants. To me they are highly informative Who's Whos of history; Who's whose of history, Who's Whoses ... of history)".

Can I poll the group to see how liberal Jaego came out?

I think the argument in favor of Obama's Nobel has been convincingly laid out by others more verbally nimble than myself--I just wonder if a political prisoner had won the award, say, we would be hearing commentators snipe: "What has SHE done--besides be in prison for 18 years? Anyone can do that!"

I don't think so.

I hears Scott Simon give a little editorial about Obama's Nobel on NPR--what a little tossed salad man he's shown himself to be.

As Robert De Niro might have said in "Meet the Parents" #1 "I have my eye on you now, Scott."

He critisized Obama because other nominees "put themselves in personal physical danger"--by implication Obama has not. Right white boy! You don't think every time he's in front of a crowd, he's not aware of the danger?

Other than the tiny addition to the sniping, oh Kunstlermeister, I enjoyed your rant right on.

Thank you for your ethnocentric slant, Jaego. I like the cut of your jib.

Jaego, remember back? You said I had used your name on my blog, and I replied that I scooped your name in with some cutting and pasting I was doing, by accident? I was putting my own comments over there, so I could prove to any skeptics of the fact I'm a cook that I wasn't goldbricking. I was working for the good of my crew, helping them manufacture and holding up my end. You know the Red and White make you look like a rap music fan?

Right. So, you you said you were "copasemitic". That was a cute conjunction of "copasetic" and "anti-semitic", correct?

Well, I was at the zoo. You know they have an orangutan there who is so awesome he is big enough to be a human in a monkey suit? The San Diego Zoo's most famous orangutan was Ken Allen (1971-2000).

I get over to the reptile house and I see a word, "aposematic", like psychosomatic, and I am thinking of you, until just now. I wrote it, it's done.

APOSEMATIC
COPASEMITIC

I did it in miss. In hit, it goes down in chronological order. This is presented in a truth heirarchy, rather than still open to catching people in a man trap.

APOSEMATIC
COPASEMITIC

There's your ("N") chaser, once it's free from the lab. Now it can be taken out into the wild to inflame the hillbilly ethnic hatred at your leisure. What it means? I got you:

Britannica online encyclopedia article on aposematic mechanism (biology), biological means by which a dangerous, or noxious, organism advertises its ...

Could I get a blue poison arrow frog for Mr. Scorzne? Right here (points).

Error

That should have been

COPASEMITIC
APOSEMATIC

Once again, all we are doing here is serving "him". I could have edited that.

On the News, it is all in the editing. All the bias is behind the scenes. Me and Rupert Murdoch? We have an understanding.

I think. Well, if I need to make time, what I often do is get ready first, then the time which was earlier in New York arrives here, with the Sun.

A Sun all punched full of holes by wall Street, right?

So, here, "up under", we hit in order, (load and fire), or else we're not going to be able to rape the survivors. We'll still have gooks in the ville.

Sorry, Jaego. I let you down.

Erra

I've got two ticks. Dammit!
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Actually, money is just a means of exchange.
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medium of exchange

"Actually". Oh, Jesus. Take their tongue out.

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As Robert De Niro might have said in "Meet the Parents" #1 "I have my eye on you now, Scott."
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"I have my eyes on you, Fokker."

He uses both fingers. They got "fucker" in to the movies, son.

De Niro would have had his SAG card torn up if he "might have said" that.

Instead of drinking Manischewitz wine, he'd be in the gutter drinking MD 20/20 (Mad Dog 20/20), with a package of Kool-Aid ("Shake-em-ups").

We couldn't afford the Iraq war from day one. We can afford it even less now. We should follow Joe Biden's plan and fight the war in Afghanistan with a few forces on the ground and air power.

We didn't go to Afghanistan to build a country. We went to kill or capture Osama bin Laden.

Sandbox

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We didn't go to Afghanistan to build a country. We went to kill or capture Osama bin Laden.

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This is very difficult. To do, not to say. It is called, "part-of-speech tagging", and a part of speech, what I searched, was "word categories", so, natural language, busted me, and it was, "You said words, you want speech?"

The other ambiguator on top of the stack of tasks before I beat the buzzer (that's why it's hard. every cut in this kitchen is rare) is the sliding-window algorithm. Some articles are zero-case, or on poetry I will get it as bad. It might be good. The above post will be used to test the method. I am modifying the eight parts. I have nine numerals. I want Jamal =1.
chair=2
hit=3
black=4
lightly=5
we=6
in=7
for=8
yes=9

Go.

we-did-not-go-to

6,3,8,3,8

Natural language doesn't carry much information. That's five words---did I say lexical category?---
folks, a sentence can't have two verbs, two subjects, and six interjections.

proper noun = 1
noun = 2
verb = 3
adjective = 4
adverb = 5
pronoun = 6
preposition = 7
conjunction = 8
interjection = 9

1,3,3,9,2
6,3,8,3,8,1,3,3,9,2

6,3,8,3,8,3,1

63838133926383831

used; 1,2,3,6,8,9
unused: 4,5,7
total: 16 (gift)

Jesus. He used 18 words, two-thirds score. No prepositions. Nearest preposition: 24th back.

SEB:

De Niro would have had his SAG card torn up if he "might have said" that.

183362235868339

Arguments? Don't like a part of speech? Talk about it. you all need to swim up to the text above the fuckin' comment box, where Kunstler knows how to write.

I got 1, 2, 3, no 4; 5, 6, no 7; 8, 9

Steve, yer outta your frickin' mind yo.

True 16 word count with 7 of 9, because I'm a fuckin' genius. If I was as bad as dude, instead of as good as me, you'd see 5/9. He got 6. I feel for you, bro. Use OBL and get a break on word count. That's one.

Testing JHK:

For instance, instead of cash-for clunkers, he could have gotten the trains running on time between New York and Chicago. I wonder, is there a prize for leaders who can get their nation's priorities straight.

8,2,6,8,8,1,6,8,3,3,9,2,3,7,2,5,1,8,1.
6,5,3,8,9,2,8,2,6,8,3,6,2,2,5

Well, that's my fault. I didn't know if between's a prep. Probly so. I think he got 'em all in 34, which is what it took to make the last point.
instead, what's that, between's girfriend?

We're not even using the alphabet and I like the taste of that.

I think a person's tazed, not tasered. You can get subjectiver. "Taze me, then." "That taze wasn't so pleasant, I must say."

Kunstler seems to be light on adjectives. It is line ten before he uses one, and that is "two". the next one's

unfortunate position
refreshing note

Well, I just started being lexicographer. Assume I bin laid on firty minutes.

It isn't even that. It has to do with Mark Twain. The crap speaks to the deal where later on in the civilization nobody knows any longer how to fix the machines the pioneers built. Mark Twain went cross-country, so he passes 1,950 miles where at his longitude he doesn't have any better writers in the country aligned with his ears.

Fucker's awesome, lexicon, syntax, allusion,...on and on. America's first Superstar.

Jaego and Asoka onToynbee

I tend to accept Toynbee as he was the hisotrical scholar of the 20th century and the last generation to receive a superb education in the classics and languages.

The problem with Egypt may be that although they are known to have been dark skinned, their features were Caucasian so that could be the problem.

The major problem may be that we are not reading the 10 volume edition. Libraries in st charles outside of st louis do't carry it and of course my local library....don't go there.

I do know that the Incas, Mayans, and Aztecs are in the long version and just short synopses in the condensed.

Evan Connell has 2 non-fiction volumes that include much exploration accounts of the Arctic and the New World. His account of the Incas and their gold is absolutely astonishing.

Also the Arctic explorers who refused to learn anything from the Inuit, pulled theirsleds across a wasteland of ice and snot with all their silverware aboard. Perished rather than losetheir possessions. Same for most of the Jews inEurope just before the Holocaust.

Cynthia Ozick has a blistering essay on Otto Frank as he wouldn't give up his business and bourgeois family life to flee to America. He had money enough and connections to get them the hell out of there. They brought furniture etc to the attic. Instead he went to the Netherlands and Anne had to write their sad history.

Anne was first educated in a classical Montessori school and it shines, through her diary.

No the Amish won't survive because they put up a lot of food and essentials and they will be plundered. there will be plunder everywhere so either voluntarily share (in which case you will plunder yourself) or be plundered and probably murdered.

Much better to get the knowledge now of wild edibles. The rednecks who can hunt will do better. Can't you just see them around a fire of a gutted deer, raccoon or squirrel?

Purslane, mushrooms (learn them),dandelion greens, lambs quarters, etc.

We will go back to where the sci fi writers have written about survivors. Ballard et al.

Oh and Kroeber the anthropologist is Ursula LeGuin's father. No wonder she writes so well of the coming world. she does not bother with fancy weapons but gets right down to the nitty gritty of how people will live. I noticed in her stories most of the people have dental problems: missing teeth etc. Here in my neon red town they are already there. They won't have much farther to go down.

Me, I shall choose death and take my pets with me so they won't be killed for food. But this is not gonna happen fast. So keep the masses in denial while those who can prepare do so.

I'm going to go to the store and get a year's worth of food.

On my blog, you can use XHTML and your comments will never be published.

Carry out.

Steve


Hi, Asbestosbooks.

Carry on, Sebsbians.

SEB

Hey Abbey, how do you prove somebody's a lousy writer, and B---how is the Nobel Prize winner any good?

Hmm. Problem. As a teacher, Abbey might have ways she grades that would make a good writer score low.

Rash, how do you PROVE they're no good? If you conjure up a spirit or cast a spell, does it always make the King into a toad?

Is it, Hey'n Abbey, or Hey Nabbey, if I want to do a harelip, for instance.

Let's see:

Pearl Harbor (WarII)
Lusitania (WarI)
Maine (Spanish American War)
9-11 (Afghanistan and Iraq)

There's another one in there. Anyone?

When you have a model that works, why change it if it's not broken.

abbeysbooks wrote: "There's another one in there. Anyone?"

1964 Fake Gulf of Tonkin attack to justify Vietnam War

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/index.htm

Gulf of Tonkin?

Death of Gordon Kahl?

Waco?

Aurthur P. Murrah?

Sam & Vicky Weaver? {I don't know the baby's name}

abbeysbooks said: "The problem with Egypt may be that although they are known to have been dark skinned, their features were Caucasian"

The white nationalists may claim the Egyptians were Caucasians, but they were really Ethiopians, the genetic sons of Ham and Cush, who developed civilization long before Caucasians and Semites, and later helped the Caucasians out of three Dark Ages.

Black Africans even schooled the Levites, Brahmans, Alexander, young Jesus, and Paul in the Ethiops’ celestial mythos and ritual.

Tales of the glorious Mediterranean Caucasians ironically are the most Afrocentric history in existence, quite opposite the authors’ intent.

The people that the Hebrews, Greeks, and others called Ethiopians are the same Dark Whites Toynbee said spawned ten civilizations.

Black or White, Africa is our Mother.

Educate the Massa's chirrun.

You use, "spawned". Rush Limbaugh used the word, "spawned".

What do I think about it? I think that racism not only is not stupid, it is not immoral.

My definition of immoral is that level at which it is agreed that measures will be taken to curtail just that action.

I can tell you what to do, but I can't do it; it is immoral. So check and see what I do.

Now, the point at which the person inside can't see how illogical the popular drive they are a part of is, justice is invoked to sanction the person. We have to go from bing a VIP up to being a person, one of a group, then back down to one person, and it is nice if we are nailing that person, not ourselves.

Remaining un-nailed and un-crucified and un-Hillaried is important. I had to use Hillary in a sentence; you said spawned. Pilloried was the right word.

Why? I can do that. I kill people. It is not immoral. I do not consciously fire anything. All my firing mechanisms are those of others.

Now, as a racist, I will be taking the high moral ground. You will be down there killing your fellow man, but you won't be moral, since you can't kill and be moral.

Has anyone considered that the slave ships were a form of brutal Darwinian selection: strength and fortitude were chosen over intellect and civility. Further, ethically I cannot presume that written test smartness overshadows other human attributes.
It is hard to argue facts, (Charles Murray - "Bell Curve"}, but causation is another matter.
However, to presume that the outliers (black swans)
are a measure of the worth of a particular race is an absurdity. Science fiction writers (eg Asimov
and Clark) have enunciated the premise that we in fact are robots doing the bidding of our genes. At the other extreme mystics in multiple manifestations depict us as extensions of some universal entity.

I cant tell him and NO-ah Adams apart!

Heres a gem
from them
this am:

ORTHODOX FAMILES ARE KNOWN TO BE RATHER LARGE. WE ARE HERE IN ISRAEL WITH THIS 99 YEAR OLD RABBI WHO HAS 1,500 LIVING DESCENDANTS!

'rather large'??????

not so fast...... BO didnt 'oust' Bushy...THE VOTERS DID...and has O gotten US troops out of the 100+ countries we occupy?

asia comically says: "BO didnt 'oust' Bushy...THE VOTERS DID"

After Obama spent two years on the campaign trail explaining the reasons Bush (McCain/Bush thinking) should be ousted.

You won't give the president credit for anything, will you?

Did you see the news online with the 'dog fighting compound' and the bomb making in Riverside area?

as far as : 'a great warning'...the way things have been goin for almost 20 years i figure the real Government wants to keep us fearful...hence the need for terorists etc

LETTING PEOPLE FROM AFGHANISatan
[spelling intentional] move here and travel to Pakisttan then return here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the USA is destroying afghanistan...they have every right to hate us the U.S.!

'No wonder she writes so well of the coming world'

TELL US MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and i must have confused the OZARKS with Arkansas

Wrong. How do you "oust" a President like W when his second term was up anyway? Voters ousted McKain and the Alaska chick. Gruesome twosome, terrible ticket, but Obama and the Delaware Flash are terrible, also.

My friend whom only reads JHK if I P & C him the article writes me back as follows:

Good point! But are we right in killing them? Or are the "terrorists" right in killing us? Every human who has a belief in a superior being and in a "heaven" thinks their God is the rightest of the right and that their tribe is the most righteous of the righteous and are therefor sanctified in doing their bloody work under the guise of religion. But a display of ultimate power changes the mind or at least softens the will of many(i.e. Japan WWll, Hiroshima). So whose right and does it matter? It's all just another street squabble for power on a grander scale. What a sorry bunch of DNA the human insect is...ferd

In other words you have undergone a conversion experience. Like Paul.

On "the current dominant American mentality, which is of the therapeutic type, based on the idea that the behavior of individuals and groups can be modified and even improved if they feel better (especially about themselves).:" Jim, my opinion is a bit different. The left-wingers, the feminists who have infiltrated the social work and education professions, and other "over-educated but otherwise useless" among the boomers may make for a substantial number of those who hold that belief system but, remember, esteemed fellow that you are, it was the Boomers who got rich in the late 70s & early 80s that put the modern conservative agenda in place and kept it in place even after Bush the Older screwed up. Witness the 1994 Congressional elections. To me, the dominant American mentality is still Manifest Destiny and "war a go-go" as it always has been. Witness the recent history of criminal law, the emphasis (and constant budget increases) in drug law enforcement, and the systematic destruction of the Fourth and perhaps Fifth Amendment.

The Founding Fathers were wary and maybe even scared of a standing army. I don't believed the USA ever really weaned itself away from the economy that was in place when Vietnam was happening. The space program withered on the vine soon after the moon landing. Has any scientific endeavor ever really replaced that national effort? I don't think so; certainly not fostering a producer-based sustainable economy nor sensible land use plans.

Yes I have considered Darwin and black slaves and I used to give this lecture to my black students. at CCP in Philly.

The blacks sold into slavery were first captured and sold by the tribes that had beaten them in conflict. The strongest and more intelligent ones survived that little war. They got especially good prices for former royal members of the losing tribe.

Then they were put on slave ships to cross the ocean. Again you had to be strong, healthy and smart to survive that selection.

Then sold as slaves to work forever. Again strong, healthy and intelligent to survive. Another major selection.

So you in this class have selected genes for strength, health and intelligence. What are you planning to do with all that superiority?

AR is part of the Ozarks. Start reading LeGuin for the future. She is also influenced by HP Lovecraft: The Tombs of Atuan.

I'm sitting here, listening (purposely not watching the video) to Kunstler's TED presentation--a slam worthy of Def Poetry--appreciating the incisive jazz, when my eyes read:

I must anticipate the angry mail that will pour in from the 9/ll conspiracy sector -- the people who believe Dick Cheney or GW Bush or both (along with thousands of CIA and Pentagon worker bees) directed the attacks, or secretly placed explosive charges to bring down the buildings, or fired a missile at the Pentagon.... I regard the true believers of this fucking nonsense as hopelessly brain-damaged.
And home resonated in my soul.

James Howard Kunstler is, to the best of my knowledge, the only high profile public figure in the Peak Community, such as it is, who has the guts and integrity to speak truth to this perniciously irrational virus for which there is no rational cure.

In a subculture of make believe, speaking the truth is a revolutionary act.

Thank you Mr. Kunstler, for honoring reality.

As for the booby who got the prize, I enjoyed this recent opening paragraph from the Times:

When Henry Kissinger was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1973, the satirist Tom Lehrer remarked that he saw no further need to perform as the award had made satire obsolete. By offering the world’s most prestigious political accolade to Barack Obama, a man who has held office for barely nine months, the Norwegian Nobel Committee is in danger of putting the entire comedy industry out of business.

In other words you have undergone a conversion experience. Like Paul.

This was meant for Asoka.

"Seems a tad strange that the sitting commander of the largest military in history (much less one presiding over two active wars) to get anything called a "peace" award."

Not really. I'm sure someone else has pointed out the following. Alfred Nobel... the inventor of dynamite. Dynamite? Soooooo peaceful and soothing.

P.S. Jim, how dare anyone question anything about....well I'll just shut up about that non sense

Turn the desert into kitty liter? HUH? Yeah. We are so tough that we turned our economy into Swiss Cheese.

Not only have these wars been about oil, and as Jim stated a strategic wedge squeezing Iran, which most of the Middle East would like to see vanish, but first and foremost, these wars are for money.

The financial-banking-investment-insurance crime syndicate bosses also control the 33% of the military budget. General Dynamics builds 24 armored vehicles for millions of dollars (1/3 have already broken down). KBR and Haliburton, as well as GE and the rest need Treasury dollars to fatten their balance sheets because that is the only way they can do it. They earn little profit from selling in the private sector. In order to make profits, they need to socialize their balance sheet and get on the government no-bid, or contractual gravy train. The stock holders, and bond holders demand that profits be made any way they can.

If your retirement mutual funds invest in war, then they are doing what you want them to do. Make war!

This war is about money and profit for the corporate elite, who own this government, as well as the last several. War is money. Soldiers are tools. They wear the clothing, drive the vehicles, eat the food, buy the IPods, shoot the bullets, fly the planes, drop the bombs, fix the Humvees, watch the movies and more. They are the employees, the players in the corporate moneymaking game.

China brings in butter to the countries where the oil is drilled. But the US brings in bravado and bullets. Now which country of the two has the thriving economy and then, tell me which one is doing it with more sense.

http://eye-on-washington.blogspot.com

Tolerance will lead to our downfall.

The Revolutionary Army was disbanded immediately because of their fears.

Your arrogance knows no limits.

My last comment was meant for the guy rambling on about how big and bad and unstoppable America is. His ramblings I cannot quote and not putting in any more effort to find his comment. I don't get into fantasy land b.s. Therefore I have trouble quoting the noise pollution coming out of it.

p.s. What's up Jerry? It's getting cold here in Illinois already.

Wrong again. Smart people don't "deserve" more money-they earn more money. Look up earn in the dictionary if it's unclear.

Real money isn't just a means of exchange or "currency" (like thru a wire). What you're describing are the receipts or paper notes that can stand for real money. Real money has value in and of itself-thus it is an appropriate stand in for real goods. Gold coins are easier to carry around and trade than ears of corn or grand pianos. And currency notes are safer and lighter to carry around than gold coins-nothing wrong with them as long as they are rediamable as gold or silver. And as long as the banks are spot checked regularly to see that the gold is ALL there.

I'd like to see idiots, the sick, and the old taken care of too. Our idiots. Our sick. And our old-not Africa's, Asia's, and Latin America's.
That's our moral obligation-the rest is up to what an INDIVIDUAL feels like and can afford to give. In other words, we live in an orderly universe. Charity partakes of this order. The most important demarcation is between our duty to our family and nation, and our private or spontaneous giving to strangers or to the people of the Third World. We do not owe them anything in the way that we owe our family and parents.

Monkey muffins?????? I think you and Jim eat way to many Monkey muffins.

I feel so revolutionary now.

Long time reader, first time poster. Jim, you should stay away from the politics of the Middle East as you always show your true allegiance when discussing that area of the world. The primary reason we invaded Iraq, a country that had no links to Al Queda and no real danger to this country, was primarily because of Israel and the power that the hard core Jewish lobby holds in this country. Saddam threatened Israel so he had to go. Iran threatens Israel so it also needs to go. That's the bottom line. Why did we so brilliantly conquer Iraq and then found ourselves with no plans whatsoever to rebuilt its destroyed infrastructure? For the same reason Israel continually destroys the Palestinian society. When your attitude towards a people is one of utter racist disdain you do not consider issues such as water, electricity, schools, health services and the like. And if that leads to them hating you and fighting back, then who cares. You just kill them and report the deaths as terrorists. The same thing is taking place in Afghanistan, and, if Israel has its way, will occur in Iran, Syria, southern Lebanon, and anywhere else that the Sons of Hitler decide to spread their empire. Stick to energy and how our way of life are both in a major decline and what that implies for the future. Israel is dead in the long run. We need to worry about our own society.

Basic Buddhism posits three types of human being: dominated by delusion, dominated by greed, dominated by hate. Each of these three has a higher aspect once these energies are transformed-so six types in another sense. The higher octave of hate is wisdom-so I am a hate/wisdom person, and perhaps so are you. We wield the sword of discrimination, the sword of Manjusri. So let's do some cutting.

The survival of the White Race is nonsense you say, but is the survival of Black Race nonsense too? I didn't think so. As a Socialist/Cultural Marxist-they are your sacred cows and you worship them. Or take Tibet: do you think all these Buddhists like Richard Gere who work so hard for the Land and People of Tibet are deluded? If not, then why is their goal praisworthy and our's ignorance?

You desire to attain unto a transpersoanl awareness and that by definition is transcultural. Ok, very nice. But does that mean that these lower things-like races, ethnicities, cultures, and nations have to be destroyed? Just because you may not need them anymore doesn't mean other people don't. They are natural for people in this age-would you war against the world as it has to be? Not very enlightened. Now say a Japanese person attains a high state-do you think they would damn Japan to hell as you damn our Culture? Not a chance. People who awaken in other cultures have a much more subtle understanding than that. Rumi was a Trans-Cultural master, but he still followed Islam and lived according to Shariah. One must set an example for others who cannot do without the Law.

As Ken Wilber says, for the first time in History, the Green Meme, the Meme of the appreciation of relativities has awakened on a mass scale. And the Greens hate authoritarianism-even when it's coming from a higher source. They want to be innocent and destroy all rigid structures-including the ones that help societies to propagate themselves; the ones that helped them attain to the Green Meme itself. If you love all cultures as much as your own, your not being fair to your own. Gandhi was so afraid of being accused of favoritism, that he treated other children better than his own-a great corruption. You should treat your own children better-because they are your's! You should love your own Country more for the same reason-even if you know other countries are just as good. This one is your's and no stranger can love it or understand it as much. Just as you could never do their country justice. This is enlightened patriotism. So many of the Greens are utterly confused and enraged about all this. Wilber started calling the Green Meme-the Mean Meme. It's a high state relatively speaking, but it is manifesting in a pathological way in the West. It just wont work this way. Traditional Stuctures must be honored and if need be, transformed with gentleness, not scorn.

The Land and the People of the West are in terrible danger. A Voice told me to do whatever I could to help. And I will do so. I don't hate other peoples-but I love my own. I admire some other cultures-like the Chinese. But I don't want them here taking what is our's. Just as they kicked us all our of China. And China was never threatened as badly as we are being threatened now. Do you blame the Chinese for fighting for their own survival? If not, then you cannot logically blame us either. To do so would make you a hypocrite.

Much of the Diary of Anne Frank was written in ball point pen-which didn't exist at the time. This came out during the trial: the ghost writer took Otto Frank to court because he wasn't getting his proper royalties. Once this came out, Otto took the better part and settled out of court. Another Zionist scam hits the dust-millions more coming down the pike. They're working on a movie about a Jewish Girl who escaped the camps, was raised by wolves, and then walked across Europe. It turned out to be a scam(duh) but they're going to make the movie anyway. And then people wonder why I don't trust the Jews!


I do when it comes to things like science or ancient Chinese Pottery. But when it comes to anything that concerns their actions in the world-zilch. We seek objectivity in History. They seek a script or story that gives them meaning and makes them look good to others. A very different thing. Most of world is like this. The Jews aren't that unusual in this regard-we are the unusual ones. And sometimes too much so; so objective and "fair" that we can't take our own side!

I had to tell my Japanese Professor of History that Japan once belonged to another race of people-the Ainu, whom her ancestors drove into the mountains of the northern most island. She thought that they had always been just there-a few of them just scrounging along. They never taught her the truth-it was awkward in this liberal age so they just deleted it. We are the ones who wrestle with moral issues-spirit wrestling-the name Israel.

Jaego said: "I admire some other cultures-like the Chinese. But I don't want them here taking what is our's."

Native Americans are people who live on the rez (reservation) because the god damn White people took our land! we are very proud of our cultures and religions.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=native-american

Yes as Aleister Crowley said, "Every Man and every Woman is a Star"-alive, a LIBERAL...
And does not the Bible say, "You shall be as gods?" Small g though. There's only one G Man. Or as the Muslims say, there is no God but God.

I actually said that We were Compasemitic. I don't know the etymology of copa and setic though. I can only think of the Barry Manilow song Copa Cabanna. Something to do with palm trees perhaps. Perhaps I am a snake who doesn't want to envenom anyone and so announces his presence in the palms by loudly hissing. Ramakrishna said no biting but pretending to be about to bite by hissing is ok. The Bible says, they shall take up serpents.

Someone could make some money by making red and black chess sets for Blacks. The hardest part of teaching Black kids to play is that none of them want to be White. But when they grow up they want to be White. See Chris Rock's new documentary about Black Women's quest for White Hair. They get it from India-Hindoo Women cut it during religous ceremonies.

Nobody believes that bit about lamp shades anymore btw. Even they admit that it was just PR. And the soap too. I wish I could have been at one of those ceremonies were they said Kaddish for bars of soap! Not all Blacks are dumb and not all Jews are smart.

Now I get how you cut your hand-you were cutting and pasteing and it slipt. I'm a nice snake and you're trying to hook me up with a bad frog. I like the philosophy of the Matrix. Maybe Dale is just an undigested piece of potato. Where's Quiz Dic? I hope I didn't defeat him so badly that he left his body! As long as he's in his body then he's not floating around the Matrix causing trouble.

I hear Unclean Spirits crying out in loud voices in the Valley of the Air.

Dear James I like your way of exposing facts in an undeniable crude and direct way.You can thank "the end of suburbia", a real gem of a doco.Also i bought the long emergency.
I definitively think that Christians burnt Roma and the Communists burn the Reichstag .
Why would anybody even entertain the possibility of correcting you?
WTC 7?It just "fell"

No, as I understand a “conversion experience” in terms of religion, it is based entirely on faith. Any conversion I have undergone is subject to, and reinforced by science and reason. There is an element of faith to it, but in Buddhist thinking one subjects all teaching to personal examination. No one is asked or expected to believe anything which does not meet this personal test.

tick tock,excellent observation !

It's a shame you and Maher remain abolutely resolute on this subject. Second law of thermodynamics I believe. Conservation of energy and momentumn. Get an trained engineer to explain to you how 9/11 violates this law. Why is it so hard for you to swallow. The Japs bombed Pearl becasue we oil embargoed them. Hussein invaded Kuwait to get their oil. Germany wanted the oil fields of the Soviet Union so bad he risked and eventually lost the war. We have completely cast our die with the last drops of the stuff in every gesture we make, from the fighting of the city rails to the $100,000 tax credit for elephant SUVs.

It's a shame you and Maher remain abolutely resolute on this subject. Second law of thermodynamics I believe. Conservation of energy and momentumn. Get an trained engineer to explain to you how 9/11 violates this law. Why is it so hard for you to swallow. The Japs bombed Pearl becasue we oil embargoed them. Hussein invaded Kuwait to get their oil. Germany wanted the oil fields of the Soviet Union so bad he risked and eventually lost the war. We have completely cast our die with the last drops of the stuff in every gesture we make, from the fighting of the city rails to the $100,000 tax credit for elephant SUVs. We had our Reichstag fire and after the country had been galvanized for war with stupid flags and slogans of revenge, we went over and kicked butt and now we are draining them as sure as you would gut and drain a deer after you shot them.

Jaego,
I didn't say the “survival of the white race” was nonsense. I said the entire issue is a product of your deluded emotions. To you it is quite real, no doubt. But in both ultimate and broader conventional terms it has no basis in reality. So yes, the question of the “survival of the black race” and your sense that I would not want the former and desire the latter equally has no basis in either conventional or ultimate reality. We are really discussing things here on two entirely different levels.

Conventionally, we all behave as if there is an objective world outside of the windows of our eyes, completely autonomous and self sufficient. Both physics and Buddhism demonstrate to us this is not so, appearances, and our perceptions of them, are co-emergent properties. For example, many people regard Obama as “black”, when they see him they see a so-called black man. Hence, to their mental/visual perception, obstructed as it is, a black/white union produces a black product. To my visual perception Obama is about as clearly in the middle as he can be, he is visually, culturally and genetically of mixed race. Some of these people and I actually “see” different things. It is the veil before our eyes, created by our relative mental obscurations that ultimately determines much of what we “see”.

I'm not going to go into a long critique of your view of Buddhism except to say that there is no “Wisdom” component to hate. Manjusri's sword is not the sword of “discrimination” but the sword of “discriminating wisdom”. Symbolically, when his sword is wielded it severs all notions of duality.

You say; “ Gandhi was so afraid of being accused of favoritism, that he treated other children better than his own-a great corruption. You should treat your own children better-because they are your's! You should love your own Country more for the same reason-even if you know other countries are just as good.”----------
I can't speak for Gandhi, but the very point of Buddhist thought is to “exchange self with others” through a process of meditation whereby the goal is to view ourselves and others as equal. This is not a process to create something which doesn't exist. It's a process used to recognize the true nature of reality. Favoritism is a product of desire, one of the “three poisons” along with aversion and delusion. It is not wrong in Buddhism to love, but the ideal is to use that love as an example of how to view others. After all, who said you can't love your own children and other children as well? Is love a finite emotion allocated too us at birth like our arms and legs?

You describe yourself as a product of “hate”, but then you say you don't hate other races. Maybe hate is too strong a word, perhaps your aversion is manifest as fear. That's what I hear when I listen to you anyway, you are afraid. I wonder if you weren't physically attacked by a person of color at some point in your past which has created this fear. These fears and aversions compound themselves, becoming more and more intense unless we, in some small way, wield that sword (of meditation) severing the duality of self and other.

You say; “The Land and the People of the West are in terrible danger. A Voice told me to do whatever I could to help.”
I would suggest that voice is the voice of your disturbed emotions, sit calmly for awhile, allow your mind to stop racing, look deeper, there is a more profound reality....... and it's a hell of a lot more fun too! You like to read; consider “Mind at Ease” by Traleg Kyabgon.

Dale-you have to honor the karma of your birth-not hate it for its limitations. Such hate will only create new karma. Love and attention are limited-at least in their practical aspects. Even if you are a Saint, you cannot love all children as your own-even if you actually feel this way. And to try to do this as a "skillful means" would be monstrous. They are trying to make us feel guilty in this way though-all those pictures of starving African kids. As if it's our fault and therefore they have the right to take our money and give it to them-while they reap the mineral rights!

The Zionists-those masters of lower human psychology (Yiddish has more put downs than any other language), know that attention and compassion are strictly limited in ordinary people. That's why they resent so strongly the Armenian plea for sympathy and acknowledgement. They want to copyright the word Holocaust. Even their mystics never overcame the feeling that only Jewish suffering matters.

The six types of person are presented in the Theravadin Commentaries. But the later teaching of Tibet are often a logical development of the Theravadin-or the secret teaching of the Buddha-take your pick. I don't know for sure, but I would not be surprised if the doctrine of the Peaceful and Wrathufl Deities of the Bardo are just this idea in another form. The Peaceful are just the higher component of the Wrathful.

My clearest and strongest argument you left alone: are the Western Buddhists who work for Tibet just wasting their time since "Tibet" isn't real. This is where you lose it methinks. In your quest for reality, you want to dis appearances. And I think your dissing is very selective...along the lines of what you like and don't like. This dissing of appearances is tolerated in the Theravada (they decontruct with the Abhidharmma) but is condemned in the Mahayana and Vajrayana. And most of these White Tibetan Nationalists would condemn me as a racist for wanting for Whites what they want for Tibetans. Crazy evil hypocrisy. I don't condemn them for wanting to help Tibet-I sympathize as well. If they don't want to help their own people-ok that's bad enough. But at least don't be a hypocrite!

The cognitive technology of Buddhism can be misused. The Samurai used Zen training to become better warriors-and ignored the teachings of Compassion. Or wait until Management get a hold of Buddhism. They'll be telling employees not to complain but "just be mindfull"-in other words, it's just your impurities. I've already seen this in a generic New Age Form. Your misuse is more subtle-deconstructing what you don't like such as White Nationalism but leaving Black Nationalism and Tibetan Nationalism alone. Bad Buddhist.

Traditional Black Hampton College somehow elected a White Queen. Many Black students and faculty are outraged. The girl has written to Obama for help-this poor fool actually thinks that Blacks practice what they preach! Well college is supposed to be a learning experience-and oh boy is she going to learn. A new White Nationalist is being made.

The Indians should have all banded together to defeat the Whites. Their lack of unity was their undoing. They weren't helped by race traitors like Metacom and Pocohontas. Likewise, unless Whites band together we will be dispossesed by the Mestizos. You should be helping us not cheering them on. You are obviously a Black Man out of synch with his own People. Most of the things you like are White things. Do you really want to see us displaced by a people as unintelllectual as the Mexicans? And look how they are displacing your people in Southern California. Many Blacks complain how terrible it is to be driven out of their own neighborhoods! Blacks have no irony whatsoever. Irony takes IQ and detachment after all.

Go to the website Stuff Black People Don't Like for a hilarious romp thru Black America-much of it terra incognito for you I think. And also let's all go see Chris Rock's award winning documentary about the Black Woman's Quest for Good Hair. Blacks want to be us in so many different ways. No one wants to buy their hair-no one.

I thought you had the full edition of Toynbee's History and could check my references. And admit I was right about Blacks of course! Where did you get the volumes you read then?

American Blacks are much smarter than Africans: an IQ of 85 compared to mind blowing 70 common throughout Africa. Some of that may be due to the brutal selective process-but surely most of it is due to the large mixture of White genes. Almost all of the great Black writers have been quite fair. WB DuBois looked like an Italian for example. Poor Black Marcus Garvey walking into the New York NAACP and said, "it was full of Whites".

Even Blacks raised by Whites aren't any smarter than other Blacks. Genetics trump environment everytime. Northern Blacks are smarter than Southern. Smarter People do tend do the emmigrating. Also more mixture with White Blood perhaps. The Irish have a very low IQ for Northern Europe-only 93. Their elites were destroyed or left long ago. Another big factor: the smartest boys all became celibate priests for the last thousand years or so. That has to have a big impact over time This is the secret of the Ashkenazi dominance btw: their schmarties have lots of kids. No matter how goofy, shy, or nebbishy a young rabbinical student was-if he was brilliant, he was desired as a husband for the best girls in town. Maybe not by them-but for them by their fathers and mothers. This system produced a rich crop of fruit over the long haul. The Church in contrast, is a genetic nightmare. Also Chinese noblemen bred with many concubines, spreading the wealth through many channels beyond just the legal heirs. In the West, the better people have few or no kids; certainly not as many as the lower classes. And this sterility, "being crabbed" as the Southerners called the Yankees was in full force by the begining of the 20th Century. A study of the seven sisters showed many of the gradutes never married and those that did had typically one or no children. Crabbed indeed.

Jaego said: "you cannot love all children as your own-even if you actually feel this way. And to try to do this as a "skillful means" would be monstrous. "

I have heard that Jesus loves all the little children of the world, red and yellow, black and white, they are precious in his sight.

Conclusion: Jesus is a monster.

Jaego, unconditional love overcomes ethnocentrism.

Oh first you were an Indian and now you're just like Jesus. Stop twisting my words. You edited what I said damn you. You can love anyone you want to-you wont have the energy to care for more than one or two little children. You are very disconnected from the realities of everyday life-as is Dale I think.

Jaego – I don't know where you get you definitions and understanding of Buddhism (or for that matter love) but you are misinterpreting on a number of levels:

“Love and attention are limited-at least in their practical aspects. Even if you are a Saint, you cannot love all children as your own-even if you actually feel this way.”
Oh? and what exactly would be the difference between “feeling” that you love all children equally, and actually loving all children equally? I've met people who are fully capable of the sort of compassion that loves equally, so don't tell me it isn't possible. “Love” like “Hate” are the two emotions that grow the more you exercise them. Besides, the point isn't to necessarily accomplish that ideal, but to come closer to it, and we all can manage that.
“Dale-you have to honor the karma of your birth-not hate it for its limitations.”
Honoring that karma would be to use it wisely in developing compassion for others. My birth has no limitations that aren't completely common to any birth..... death and impermanence. For all your attempts to parse humanity that is one of many things we all share in common.
“And to try to do this as a "skillful means" would be monstrous.”
Your “logic”(?) here completely escapes me.

“In your quest for reality, you want to dis appearances.”
Buddhist thought doesn't “dis” appearances, it just recognizes them for what they are. That recognition is quite liberating, even on an only intellectual basis. But if you find comfort in utterly reifying those appearances and being subject to them, I'm sure that's where you will remain.
Yes, I would like to see Tibet survive culturally (if not politically), because I think it has value. I think it must also change to survive, like anything else. The situation in Tibet is not really comparable to the United States, which has a history that is diverse both racially and culturally. The Tibetans might more reasonably be compared to the situation of the American Indians 150 years ago.
There is no exclusively “white” America, other than in your mind. Africans can here with the first white people and have been here continuously ever since. So have other races. We are not now, nor have we ever been “One country, one culture”. I think that is one of America's strong points.
I will grant you that the cognitive technology of Buddhism can be misused. The Samurai of the early 20th century are a good example of this. I agree that the “New Age” attempts to use Buddhist thought often come up short, a good reason to stay with the masters. I don't however, favor one form of Nationalism over any other, all are just appearances and suffering to me.

Now, please answer my question; “Were you ever assaulted by someone of color?”

Good post, except: "Israel is dead in the long run." don't buy into the identity theft. You mean israelis {aka: israelies}. Read {the vision of} Obadiah.

NASA Engineer to Speak on Destruction of WTC Buildings
Encinitas resident a leader among 900 architects and engineers

San Diego - On Wednesday, October 21, 2009, former NASA engineering executive Dwain Deets, will speak on behalf of more than 900 architects and engineers who cite evidence of explosive demolition at all three World Trade Center high-rises on 9/11 and are calling for a new, independent investigation into their destruction.

Mr. Deets’ multimedia presentation will begin at 12:00 p.m. at the Joan B. Kroc Institute for Peace and Justice, on the campus of University of San Diego, 5998 Alcalá Park, San Diego, CA 92110. The event will conclude at 3:00 p.m.
An engineer with NASA Dryden Flight Research Center for more than 37 years, Mr. Deets is a board member and the writing team leader for Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth). Comprised of more than 900 architects and engineers listed on their website at AE911Truth.org, the organization contends that the official FEMA and NIST reports fail, for several reasons, to explain correctly the towers’ destruction. AE911Truth points in particular to the destruction of the third high-rise, World Trade Center 7, which was not hit by a plane but came down in less than seven seconds. These 900 architects and engineers have signed a petition calling for a new investigation.

Mr. Deets will include in his presentation an abridged version of 9/11: Blueprint for Truth, featuring Richard Gage, AIA, a San Francisco Bay area architect of 20 years, the founder and CEO of AE911Truth, and a member of the American Institute of Architects.

The organization’s conclusions are shared by hundreds of scientists; senior-level military, intelligence, and government officials; firefighters; pilots and aviation professionals; scholars and university professors; 9/11 survivors and family members; and media professionals around the world.

Go to Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth at www.ae911truth.org to see what 928 architectural and engineering professionals have to say about the destruction of WTC buildings 1, 2, and 7.

You won't find any conspiracy theories there, but physics, chemistry, and engineering.

"I've dealt with my animal nature ..."

We know. You have embraced your inner JackASS.

"not so fast...... BO didnt 'oust' Bushy...THE VOTERS DID..."

Wrong. Term limits "ousted" Bushy.

"Native Americans are people who live on the rez (reservation) because the god damn White people took our land! "

Why didn't you talk to them? Why didn't you just get along? If you had been nice they never would have taken your land.

@JHK

It's not clear to me if you're endorsing the "ass-kicking" theory or merely describing it. In either case I find it appalling that so many innocents had to die to satisfy the urge:

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/10/14/world/AP-ML-Iraq.html?_r=1

@COJONES GAZER

The tripe you posted about Anne Frank's diary is bullshit. It's a lie. You are a liar.

That Dwain Deets guy must be pretty high-functioning to be an engineer and a “former NASA engineering executive”. “Cuz he’s “hopelessly brain-damaged”. If you listen to Jim.

zzzzz asked: "Why didn't you talk to them? Why didn't you just get along?"

We did get along with the Quakers.

Here is the proof:

http://tinyurl.com/ykzcrag

Then the non-Quakers killed us.

i am in L.A.

you are in SD?
do you see any planes dusting the city
its regular as clockwork here

and it looks just like what you see at the chemtrails sites.

and yes to the 2 Politicos who pointed out my gaffe...i should have said the neocons

On October 22, Architect Richard Gage, AIA, will speak to the Sacramento Chapter of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA). This will be a very important event, being the first time the evidence for controlled demolition at the World Trade Center will be presented to an audience of aerospace professionals. The title of Mr. Gage's talk is "Analysis of WTC Failure Modes." The event will be held at the California Aerospace Museum at McClellan, CA. Dinner begins at 6:30 p.m., with the talk at 7:00 p.m. Call 916-643-3192 for information.

Oct 2, 2009

Local PDA Group Calls for New Investigation into World Trade Center Destruction

— Dwain Deets

A Progressive Democrats of America (PDA) group in North San Diego County approved a resolution, as presented below.

The resolution is posted here as an example for other political groups to adopt.

This group now has as a priority to gain approval at higher levels within its parent organizations.
Independent Investigation of Destruction of World Trade Center Buildings

-- Presence of high-tech explosives –
Whereas: Three World Trade Center high-rise buildings were destroyed on September 11, 2001; and the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), the government agency commissioned to investigate these three building failures, did not follow the National Fire Protection Association NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations, section 19.2.4 which states that molten steel and concrete could indicate the use of exotic accelerants, according to Fire Fighters for 9-11 Truth (FF911Truth),

Whereas: A peer-reviewed scientific paper in The Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal (Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe, by Niels H. Harrit, et al.) reports finding large quantities of unignited nanothermite in four independent samples of dust from the World Trade Center, evidence of the presence of high-tech explosives or incendiaries otherwise known as exotic accelerants which should not have been there,

Whereas: Over 850 architects & engineers have petitioned for a new investigation, under the auspices of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth),

THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, That an independent investigation with subpoena power be established at the Federal level to fully investigate the destruction of these three World Trade Center high-rise buildings.

SUBMITTED BY:

Name of primary author: Dwain Deets, former NASA engineering executive, & member of AE911Truth

Name of adopting organization and organization chair:
PDA - North San Diego County; Dr. Zoltan Lucas, President

Date adopted: September 13, 2009

Name and phone number of contact person
Dwain Deets -- 760-445-3242

Jaego does not want the white race to perish. already it is expected that very shortly there will be no more pale blonds born. And redheads are dying off genetically.

IMHO I think it is not whites, but white civilization, western civilization that is disintegrating and will die out. Western civilization has been a great historical force and it is now out numbered and outflanked. A terrible loss but it is happening because American culture doesn't much exist. The Europeans feel threatened by immigration and feel that their countries are being taken over. Americans feel like there is just more meat in the stew pudding.

In American Vertigo Bernard-Henri Levy discusses all this at great length and detail. All the major interviewees agree with Jaego that western (read white) civilization is in permanent danger. Mexicans are not stupid and uneducated, just the ones that come here are. The same was true of many of our ancestors starting in the 1800's. They came here to plunder, not to worship safely.

No I don't have the 10 volume original Toynbee. It took me over a year to get through the 2 volume condensation. It is dense, beautifully written, and dangerous to your mind to read it. And then after that came Lovecraft and now I can't stop reading David Foster Wallace's non-fiction. What a mind filled with compassion and brutal integrity. Alas.

i've always wondered who it was that actually believed in WMD - it seems like folks have been very strident about being lied to when it is pretty clear that those who voted for the war either wanted it or didnt want to oppose it due to the dense orwellian patriotism manufactured for the neocon purpose - like so many "double plus good chocolate rations up 15%" cowards before the stupid king...

If you interacted day to day with fundamental rednecks you would understand why. Their minds are very primitive and combined with mostly reading and math illiteracy and no education they are barbarians. And the barbarians are not at the gates, they are inside the gates here and in Europe because of our fetish for tolerance.

And the Indians were often friendly, took in runaway blacks to live with them and some white hunters etc. But they had the ability to vision the future. And they saw that their life was incompatible with agrarian settlements expanding and expanding and ruining the hunting lands. A hunting and gathering society living lightly off the land sees its future.

And then their leaders talked of dreams and visions of white sun gods coming to them and they thought they had arrived. They had no defense psychologically, just gut feelings that it was all over for them. If they had killed the settlers as soon as they arrived and were helpless they could have forestalled the inevitable. But that's all.

Abbeysbooks said: "Jaego does not want the white race to perish."

Jaego is fighting against the inevitable historical decline and disappearance of caucasians.

Soon only 8 percent of the people on Earth are the European Scandinavian and Slavic White Race.

If you doubt the figure of 8 percent you can do a quick examination for yourself. Go to the Population Reference Bureau Website and add the figures together. If you take the numbers given for Europe and North America and divide them by the numbers given for Africa, Asia, South America and Oceania you can calculate the percentages.

At the present time Whites amount to about 20 percent. By 2050 the percentages will be between 5 - 8%. Europe's population is in a state of decline.

All of the following countries show a minus (-) not a plus (+): Italy, Portugal, Greece, Croatia, Ukraine, Russia, Slovakia, Romania, Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Germany and Belgium.

And everywhere LOVE between human beings is leading to more and more miscegenation ... thank God for miscegenation .... racial purity is disappearing from the face of the Earth, diversity is increasing, and this makes me very happy.

No more borders! No more armies! No more wars over borders! Allow free movement of Mexicans and Canadians into and out of the USA ... and all over the world!

Ah yes slavery. Seems the indigenous folks (well, linear time line wise) here in America were, what's the word, oh yes, hip to slavery.

Of course the evil honkys showed 'em how it's done right. [high fives all 'round, a little dap for the homeys]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_among_Native_Americans_in_the_United_States

Then there is this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_freedmen_controversy

Yeeeaaaaaahh. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Yes I know what you mean-I have one of the two volumes and it is extremely dense. A great mind but not one to great to questioned. No mind is that great. We are all partial and need each other at any given time. We could potentially think any thought perhaps, but someone of another "type" will think it much quicker and better.

As for the White Race: it doesn't look good but I'm a Rhett Butler type-I like lost causes. And sometimes lost causes given up for dead don't stay dead. After the Mt Toba eruption 70,000 years ago, almost everyone died. The few survivors kept going and not in spite of the catastrophe but because of it-a better kind of human emerged. If we survive the coming decades, the survivors of our Race will be the superior people that we have always dreamed of becoming.

Your post makes me sad-you seem to willfully try to misunderstand what I'm saying. Firstly, say you are a Saint. You love everyone-by definition, all children. But just because of the realities of time, space, and energy, you can't take care of all children as a parent does. You can only fully take care of one or two. How you managed to distort this simple truth is beyond me. Probably just because I'm saying it-but maybe there is a deeper reason.

Anyway, Masters conserve their energy-it's precious. They often will limit their personal contacts to the disciples who benefit most from that contact. Sure they kiss babies and give out sweets (Hindu Gurus, anyway) but they can't take the place of the real, actual, circumstantial parents. The feeling is universal but by definition, the physical manifestion can only be a partial manifestion of that feeling. Just the limits of the physical body and the physical universe.

Secondly, you know what skillful means are. All I was saying was that if someone neglected their karmic duty, as a parent say, to do charity or service, it would be a disgrace and a sin. Being a parent is their primary service; if they have any time and energy left over for other things, fine.

Your failure to capitalize White although you capitalize African and American Indian, portrays vividly your bias. Whites have no worthwile reality-they are just an appearance. But Blacks and American Indians have value. This deeply saddens me-it is an all too familiar mentality but it still gets to me. Your loathing of Whites and Western Culture is very, very deep-so deep you can't see it. You are it-at this point anyway.

I wasn't trying to duck your question, Dale. I just didn't get to it. Also I did mention the numerous times I'd been harrased and the one major assault but it was when you were ignoring me so you didn't see it. Did this lead directly to my becoming a White Nationalist? No, no immediately or directly. Many years passed. But these incidents certainly helped. It was the study of psychology, anthropology, history and criminology that put me over the top. Also I've had alot of contact with Blacks-not all of it bad either. Had Black bosses. A Black Housemate. When all of my contacts are considered, I perceive an essential alieness about them-even the ones I like. And I'm sure they feel the same way. Many Blacks have admitted as much in print. But they can get away with saying it, we can't. Miles Davis once said that if he had two minutes left to live, he would spend it strangling a White Person. Nice, huh? As far as I know, no one ever gave him any grief about this outrageous statement. Can you imagine a White saying something similar? Things like this are big awakeners, so add news and current events to that list.

What are they dusting you with? And what does it do? If this is so, what are you doing about it? At the very least, wear a mask. But you better get the hell out of there before the shit really hits the fan.

I was there with Jesse, and Martin, and Andrew, and Joan Baez, and all the others in that march on Washington. We sang "We Shall Overcome" but I never imagined that we would overcome in our lifetime and see a Black president elected by a landslide.

Or that a racist blowhard drugster like Rush Limbaugh, who wanted to own an NFL team, would be prevented ... stopped cold by Jesse.

http://newsone.com/obama/top-10-racist-limbaugh-quotes/

MESSAGE TO CORNUCOPIAN DELUDED OPTIMISTS

Bright-sided: How the Relentless Promotion of Positive Thinking Has Undermined America

http://tinyurl.com/yjnn44u

A sharp-witted knockdown of America’s love affair with positive thinking and an urgent call for a new commitment to realism

Americans are a “positive” people—cheerful, optimistic, and upbeat: this is our reputation as well as our self-image. But more than a temperament, being positive, we are told, is the key to success and prosperity.

In this utterly original take on the American frame of mind, Barbara Ehrenreich traces the strange career of our sunny outlook from its origins as a marginal nineteenth-century healing technique to its enshrinement as a dominant, almost mandatory, cultural attitude. Evangelical mega-churches preach the good news that you only have to want something to get it, because God wants to “prosper” you. The medical profession prescribes positive thinking for its presumed health benefits. Academia has made room for new departments of “positive psychology” and the “science of happiness.” Nowhere, though, has bright-siding taken firmer root than within the business community, where, as Ehrenreich shows, the refusal even to consider negative outcomes—like mortgage defaults—contributed directly to the current economic crisis.

With the mythbusting powers for which she is acclaimed, Ehrenreich exposes the downside of America’s penchant for positive thinking: On a personal level, it leads to self-blame and a morbid preoccupation with stamping out “negative” thoughts. On a national level, it’s brought us an era of irrational optimism resulting in disaster. This is Ehrenreich at her provocative best—poking holes in conventional wisdom and faux science, and ending with a call for existential clarity and courage.

MESSAGE TO CORNUCOPIAN DELUDED OPTIMISTS

Bright-sided: How the Relentless Promotion of Positive Thinking Has Undermined America

http://tinyurl.com/yjnn44u

A sharp-witted knockdown of America’s love affair with positive thinking and an urgent call for a new commitment to realism

Americans are a “positive” people—cheerful, optimistic, and upbeat: this is our reputation as well as our self-image. But more than a temperament, being positive, we are told, is the key to success and prosperity.

In this utterly original take on the American frame of mind, Barbara Ehrenreich traces the strange career of our sunny outlook from its origins as a marginal nineteenth-century healing technique to its enshrinement as a dominant, almost mandatory, cultural attitude. Evangelical mega-churches preach the good news that you only have to want something to get it, because God wants to “prosper” you. The medical profession prescribes positive thinking for its presumed health benefits. Academia has made room for new departments of “positive psychology” and the “science of happiness.” Nowhere, though, has bright-siding taken firmer root than within the business community, where, as Ehrenreich shows, the refusal even to consider negative outcomes—like mortgage defaults—contributed directly to the current economic crisis.

With the mythbusting powers for which she is acclaimed, Ehrenreich exposes the downside of America’s penchant for positive thinking: On a personal level, it leads to self-blame and a morbid preoccupation with stamping out “negative” thoughts. On a national level, it’s brought us an era of irrational optimism resulting in disaster. This is Ehrenreich at her provocative best—poking holes in conventional wisdom and faux science, and ending with a call for existential clarity and courage.

Oh that's rich. I actually thought of you when I heard about this book earlier today. And now you're talking about it like it doesn't apply to you. You are the embodiment of what she is talking about.

A homicide detective that I know once told me that the hardest cases to solve are the ones where the killer works all by him/herself. "The moment you add anyone else to the mix, the whole things falls apart. Somebody will rat somebody else out."

Because of this anecdotal evidence, most people will immediately discount any conspiracy there. People have a strong argument against all popular conspiracy's (moon landing, JFK, 911, The Fed, etc)because it would be next to impossible to have so many people working on something fraudulent or evil without everyone knowing about it.

When Truman became president in April of 1945, he had to be briefed on the Atomic Bomb and the Manhattan Project. Though the project had been running for years and involved close to 130,000 people, the new president (he was the former vice president and a senator before that) knew nothing about it.

The Stealth Bomber was introduced to the World at the end of 1989 following the invasion of Panama. Prior to this, there was speculation that such a weapon might exist but there was nothing official.

In reality, the airforce had a fully operational bomber squadron of Stealth Bombers going all the way back to 1979. Which means that the design and testing phase goes back almost a decade before that. These things were fully operational quite some time before we knew anything about it even though thousands of people worked on that project and congress had to fund it.

Those two examples very clearly show us that it is possible to have a conspiracy that involves thousands of people.

Now, I'm one of those people that happens to think that we did go to the moon in 1969 and we didn't attempt to trick everyone by doing it in a sound stage. But, I fully understand why some people might believe otherwise. They very much have a right to their opinions and I welcome their attempts to convince me that my opinions are wrong.

If my belief in something is so tenuous that I can not bear to entertain the opposing viewpoint, then, perhaps, I should reexamine the beliefs and opinions I hold.

A homicide detective that I know once told me that the hardest cases to solve are the ones where the killer works all by him/herself. "The moment you add anyone else to the mix, the whole things falls apart. Somebody will rat somebody else out."

Because of this anecdotal evidence, most people will immediately discount any conspiracy there. People have a strong argument against all popular conspiracy's (moon landing, JFK, 911, The Fed, etc)because it would be next to impossible to have so many people working on something fraudulent or evil without everyone knowing about it.

When Truman became president in April of 1945, he had to be briefed on the Atomic Bomb and the Manhattan Project. Though the project had been running for years and involved close to 130,000 people, the new president (he was the former vice president and a senator before that) knew nothing about it.

The Stealth Bomber was introduced to the World at the end of 1989 following the invasion of Panama. Prior to this, there was speculation that such a weapon might exist but there was nothing official.

In reality, the airforce had a fully operational bomber squadron of Stealth Bombers going all the way back to 1979. Which means that the design and testing phase goes back almost a decade before that. These things were fully operational quite some time before we knew anything about it even though thousands of people worked on that project and congress had to fund it.

Those two examples very clearly show us that it is possible to have a conspiracy that involves thousands of people.

Now, I'm one of those people that happens to think that we did go to the moon in 1969 and we didn't attempt to trick everyone by doing it in a sound stage. But, I fully understand why some people might believe otherwise. They very much have a right to their opinions and I welcome their attempts to convince me that my opinions are wrong.

If my belief in something is so tenuous that I can not bear to entertain the opposing viewpoint, then, perhaps, I should reexamine the beliefs and opinions I hold.

You are confusing White and Caucasian. The people of Southern Asia, the Arabs, Kurds, Turks, etc-these people are not in danger at all. Whites-the people of Europe are in danger. The East Asians are not in danger-and they have no interest in mixing with Blacks-sorry. So your maniacal fantasy is just that. A strange kind of love that leads to the death of the beloved. You preach the message of devolution-your pentagram is turned downwards. The destruction of all diversity is the very essence of evil. Wait-haven't you said the same thing in other posts?

An ancient Chinese lesson about our American Situation: The Martial Lord of Wei asked one of his ministers what had caused the destruction of a certain nation-state. The minister said, "Repeated victories in repeated wars."

The Martial Lord said, "A nation is fortunate to win repeated victories in repeated wars. Why would that cause its destruction?"

The minister said, "When there are repeated wars, the people are weakened; when they score repeated victories, rulers become haughty. Let haughty rulers command weakened people, and rare is the nation that will not perish as a result."

From the "Masters of Huiainan"

JHK said: "None of these banks are going to survive another six months anyway"

Kunstler said this in his column "Forget about Recovery" on March 9, 2009.

OK, it's six months later and those banks should not exist now. We should be in complete economic chaos, having fallen into the abyss.

Time for a reality check: Obama saved the economy.

"The last time the Dow Jones industrial average hit 10,000 -- in October 2008 -- it was crashing down through the five-digit barrier and the economy was in meltdown. Yesterday, the Dow surged back up through 10,000, culminating a stunning 53 percent rally since its March bottom."
--Washington Post, Oct. 15, 2009

OK, the DOW is not the economy, but Obama should get credit for a 53% increase in the Dow Jones industrial average, reversing Bush's legacy of an economy falling into an abyss and Obama should get credit for avoiding a complete collapse of the economy.

The Recovery Act funds are not yet half spent... we are still in the middle of the economic stimulus. Obama should get credit for avoiding the abyss, for avoiding another Great Depression, for avoiding a 50% unemployment rate. Yes, 20% is bad, but not as bad as the Great Depression.

Compared to the 1930's we have avoided the worst, and we are seeing Obama's recovery work.

News reports today also indicate the German economy and the Japanese economy showing signs of recovery.

So, all the predictions of massive bank collapse, empty WalMart shelves, masses of angry citizens with pitch forks in the streets?

Ain't gonna happen.

Here is what is going to happen: expanded war, growing military budgets, continued NASCAR races, continued July 4 celebrations, another year of consumer spending (but now with higher savings rates and lower personal debt levels), in other words, doomers, life will continue. We are not fucked. We are not jodidos. The banks JHK said would not now exist... they still exist. Not only do they exist: the major Wall Street banks are generating enormous bond-trading profits.

In 2011 the unemployment will come back down below 10%, just in time for the Democratic sweep of the 2012 elections.

"Then the non-Quakers killed us."

Well then you needed to try really, really hard to get along with the non-Quakers. I mean being nice and talking to the Russians and re-jiggering our missile shield has really paid off. (Not!) Telling all of the dictator creeps of the world that we will meet and talk with them without conditions is about to pay off as well.

The Indians just didn't try to talk and make nice hard enough. Their loss, I'm afraid.

"In 2011 the unemployment will come back down below 10%, just in time for the Democratic sweep of the 2012 elections."

It is currently down below 10%. People are not happy about things right now. Democratic sweep? Read on, MORON:

"Oct. 15 (Bloomberg) -- For Virginia, it’s not easy being purple.

The state had shown signs of becoming Democratic territory when Barack Obama became the first presidential candidate of his party to win Virginia since 1964. The governor and both U.S. senators are Democrats, too.

That trend may be in trouble. The Democratic candidate for governor, state Senator Creigh Deeds, trails Republican Bob McDonnell, a former attorney general, by 53 percent to 44 percent, according to a Washington Post poll of likely voters released Oct. 9."

More evidence in favor of the coming Democratic party 2012 sweep:

"NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Despite concerted government-led and lender-supported efforts to prevent foreclosures, the number of filings hit a record high in the third quarter, according to a report issued Thursday.

"They were the worst three months of all time," said Rick Sharga, spokesman for RealtyTrac, an online marketer of foreclosed homes."

Jaego,
“Firstly, say you are a Saint. You love everyone-by definition, all children.”
What??... I said I've met people who were capable of loving all children equally. That would only be the ideal for me. Physical proximity or ability to care for others is not the only way to love. When your children grow up and move away and you no longer take care of them physically, do you love them less?

“Masters conserve their energy-it's precious. They often will limit their personal contacts to the disciples who benefit most from that contact.”
Now this is a case of “skillful means”, but it doesn't mean the teacher necessarily cares less for others. In fact, if he were a good teacher it would most certainly not mean that. Equanimity is the ideal remember?
“I'd been harassed and the one major assault.”
Thanks for having the courage and honesty to admit that. Since you do, at times, have the ability to be that straight forward...... look again. I mentioned the palpable FEAR that is so evident in your posts. Do you think I would notice that if your racial attitudes were based on some rational or scientific thought? As I mentioned before this is karma and how it works, your mind sees everything as as example of something else. One black assaulted you, over a period of time your fear exacerbates, eventually you see slights everywhere, then you look for an excuse for those emotions.
What Miles Davis or any other individual thinks is not really relevant, he had his own demons to deal with, and you and I have ours. I never liked his “music” anyway...:).
In the exoteric Buddhist understanding of the Bardo between lives, we lose our humanity and re-birth as animals, due to being dominated by fear. Esoterically, one might understand this to mean we lose a little bit of our humanity right here and now, when we allow such fear to dominate our nature.
It's really up to you, in terms of finding an effective way of dealing with your suffering. From my vantage point it doesn't really seem to me that “White Nationalism” is doing it for you. It may serve as an excuse for your fear, but it clearly doesn't assuage that fear.
Thanks for the discussion, I think we've reached a logical place to end it. I better understand you now, and am more able to have compassion for you. It that sense it was a success......... for me anyway.

No one here gets out alive.

Dear Jim,
I love your commentaries. I 've read your books and I think about 95% of the time you are absolutely right. But what I find interesting is that while you and some of my counter culture friends agree that Bush lied about nearly everything that happened during his eight year reign, you think he and his cronies told us the truth about 911. It has been my experience that those people who buy the official conspiracy theory, (that 19 guys could outwit the Eastern Air Defenses of our country and bring down buildings in ways that violate the laws of physics) have just not spent any time understanding the contradictions. The easiest way to begin that process is to visit http://patriotsquestion911.com/ and read what nearly 2000 professionals from architects, engineers and airline pilots to ex military pilots, intelligence people and professors have to say as to why they have trouble with the official theory of 911. Consider it your patriotic duty.

zzzzzz said: "Unemployment is currently down below 10%. People are not happy about things right now. Democratic sweep?"

I'm just basing this on historical data. People were not happy in October 2008, just before the election, when unemployment and underemployment was 11.8%. People were not happy then, and are still unhappy, but they voted Democratic. In Nov. 2008 there was a Democratic sweep. In 2012 there will be another Democratic sweep.

"The U.S. Bureau of Statistics also publishes a less known table of data known as Table A-12, referred to as the Alternative Measures of Labor Underutilization. For the full unemployment figures visit line U-6 highlighting the “total unemployed, plus all marginally attached workers, plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all marginally attached workers.” The figure for October 2008 is estimated at 11.8 percent. The number is actually larger because the government does not go out of its way to keep track of disenfranchised workers that have stopped looking for work."

zzzzz,

Oh, the sky is falling! The economy is fucked! No one can get credit! People are unemployed and losing their houses.

Except personal savings is up, personal debt levels are down, and somehow, somehow, the most expensive model of personal computers are being bought... so, maybe, things are not so bad...

Apple's Mac sales in the U.S. last quarter were up between 7% and 12%, according to estimates published yesterday by research firms Gartner and IDC.

Gartner estimated that Apple sold 1.57 million Macs in the U.S. for the quarter ending Sept. 30, an increase of 6.8% over 2008. IDC, on the other hand, put Mac sales at 1.64 million, or 11.8% above last year.

Above last year.

If the economy is so bad, you would think people would be buying the cheap shit (Dell, HP, Gateway, Acer) instead of the most expensive Apple computers... if we were so economically jodidos, as many here want us to believe, how can people with no house, no job, no credit, and no money buy the most expensive computers? Sales are up. Maybe somebody is not telling the truth about the economy?

Obama is set to send 45,000 more troops to Afghanistan. He is listening to the Bush generals he left in place.

So, there will be 100,000 troops fighting the roughly 100 al-Qaeda estimated to be in Afghanistan.

1,000 of America's finest to take on each member of al-Qaeda. And still America will lose because they will be killing innocent civilians, labeling them as al-Qaeda... and the end effect will be an upsurge in al-Qaeda membership.

Right now al-Qaeda and the Taliban are both growing, are both "oversubscribed"... and the USA is meeting its military recruitment goals easily, too. Boys will be boys.

Obama is badly mistaken on this Afghanistan surge. This may be Obama's Waterloo, not health care reform. Still, he will get Republican support, as he did for the last round of defense appropriations... anything, anything for our boys in the field of battle.

When will they ever learn? When will they ever learn? War only creates more hatred, more desire for revenge, more war, in a vicious and foolish cycle that creates suffering.

USA now entering its ninth year of war in Afghanistan. New Commander-in-chief in Afghanistan, just like the old Commander-in-chief in Afghanistan.

Peace prize didn't work to change Obama's course.

Sometimes fear is an appropriate response to the situation. As Je$$e Jack$on said, he'd much rather some White guys walking behind him at night than some Black guys. I read about some poor White fool who was driving through Watts at night and got a brick thrown through his back window. He actually got out to see what had happened. He was almost beaten to death. Everyone knows that you don't stop in Black neighboorhood like Watts at night. Even at red lights-do a quick look and keep on going.

I'm not looking for White Nationalism to "do something for me"-how very vulgar. I seek to serve it not it me.

You are a very gifted muckraker and twister of words-carefully editing your opponents answers to make him look as bad as possible-and ignoring questions that you cannot answer or would weaken your case. A Lawyer, perhaps? You could be...

He pretended to waver but it was inevitable. That's what his Zionist donors want. We he thinks is irrelevant. They own him. If you take that kind of money from people you have to do what they say. And he'll keep doing what they want because he wants a second term-he's utterly mechanical just like all the rest of them. A stuffed suit. Michael Moore's movie acknowledges his indebtedness-but Moore still believes in him. Why should he or anyone else? It's just sentimentality-because he's "Black". Who cares? Black is boring.

"I'm just basing this on historical data. "

No. You are basing it on vapor and cotton candy.

"Except personal savings is up..."

Personal savings had gone as high as 6% they have retreated to 3%. It ain't working asoka-your-pants. You can't continue to spend money you don't have, raise taxes on those who provide the jobs and support government leeches, devalue the U.S. dollar and get out of the fucking hole we are in. It is not mathematically possible.

"... if we were so economically jodidos, as many here want us to believe, how can people with no house, no job, no credit, and no money buy the most expensive computers?"

They CAN'T you fucking MORON. People without jobs, credit, houses or money are not the ones buying expensive computers.

If a nation has 10% UNEMPLOYMENT (which is historically pretty fucking bad for the U.S.) it also has 90% EMPLOYMENT. The 90% who are employed are the ones buying computers. Are you really this fucking stupid?

Things are getting better? No but the bandaids have slowed things some.

A recent auction of 100 real estate foreclosures in Chicago:

9 bedrooms, 4 baths house went for 15,000. That's fifteen.

A one bedroom condo highup with skyview and heated parking on the Loop went for 105,000.

50 properties didn't get any bids.

One 4 bedroom went for 7,000.

And they said they expected it to get worse. So keep lying to the American people and they will keep believing in Santa Claus.

Jaego, on wars. I think war is the challenge Toynbee talks about being presented and represented and the one we keep failing to master.

And the White Europeans a re Western Civilization and it is going down. Out of its ashes will arise a new world religion, if it follows the pattern. Let's see, Christianity merged with Buddhism and Hinduism, a respect for all life and for the planet, and the worth of the individual to work towards salvation. As Rudolph Steiner said, the new man will be Christ Consciousness. And the spiritually dominant country will be Russia.

But first must come the Universal State. I don't think Obama will achieve it to give us time as Augustus gave time to Rome.

10% unemployment (official not underground) is the biggie as it is the boundary between a definition of recession and that of depression. Not universally known by themselves but it will come to pass. Both over 10 % and mass awareness.

But those of us who know will have time if we know how to use it.

I can't decide if you are a 30-ish, emotionally immature, nebbish little cubicle gnome, without a life, pretending to be a tough guy, or a pimple faced 16-year old masquerading as a nebbish cubicle gnome without a life.

On the other hand....is there any difference?

"...Iraq as a geographical entity was best situated as a US Middle East police station between Iran and Saudi Arabia...."

What about Kuwait? It was between Iran and Saudi Arabia too. Still is. In fact, the way I read the map --thanks to Gregory Cochran for suggesting this, but Iran would have either had to go through or around our bases in Kuwait. If they went around, we'd have them outflanked, like with a really long flank and line of supply. Meanwhile they'd have to drive their tanks through open desert and such --you know, ideal ground for our air power to wipe them out.

dale,

zzzzzz appears to be an ideologue who believes in the free market fairy, trickle down, reaganomics, deregulation, and is generally anti-Obama.

I provide Bureau of Labor Statistics data, market data, citations to books, etc. and his response is that it is vapor and cotton candy.

zzzzzzz said: "No. You are basing it on vapor and cotton candy."

The fact is many on CFN were predicting the complete crash (by Nov. 2008) of what they consider to be an economic house of cards (massive ponzi schemes). JHK also predicted, back in March 2009) that the banks would not exist in six months (complete collapse of the banking system).

Obama takes measures to avoid a Great Depression. None of the doomers' predictions about social disorder, assassination, and pitchforked anger come about. The WalMart shelves are not empty. The DOW Jones Industrial average is not 4,000... it is 10,000.

Yet, the doomers, faced with hard numbers and the obvious failure of their predictions, are incapable of giving Obama any credit for his economic interventions... or even to recognize we are at the beginning of a long economic recovery, instead of a long emergency.

Reagan/Bush sold us the lie that cutting taxes and deregulating and letting the "free market" work, downsizing government, outsourcing, etc. would generate a strong economy.

Well, it did ... for their rich friends ... and for China.

"...how can people with no house, no job, no credit, and no money buy the most expensive computers?"

and how do they plug them in under the bridges?

"... and the USA is meeting its military recruitment goals easily, too. Boys will be boys."

They don't want to be living under the bridges looking for some where to plug in those new computers. Economic conscription is better than starving, or asking for handouts.

dear james, i have written you off as a reasonable man. goodbye, then. -james

KPFK openly announces when they are spraying Los Angeles!
is it aluminum?
and they do it in the mornings..its been going on for at least 15 years according to those who watch the skies.
it looks just like the pix online...chemtrails
huge white lines in the sky...sprayed by jets that go back and forth..they arent going anywhere but overhead spraying

according to KPFK kucinich has petitioned the govt to find out what and why....i had to see it to believe it,,,,and ive seen the spraying several times.
the chemtrails sink as they disperse and become ' a cloudy sky'

It is true, early on, some came to America to plunder the wilderness, but not all. You are generalizing, or just plain exaggerating in this. American "culture", after three centuries, and lots of help, corrupted itself with too many other cultures. The corrupters have profited handsomely but their filthy lucre will not save them. My people sold {were bilked out of} their heritage for a bowl of beans. It won't be long until they want it back. The flatulence is becoming deafening.

People that don't believe cannot fathom what God is doing, but believers {if they would stop listening to the goobermint sponsored [501c3] false prophets} need only read their book to see history repeating. God has from time to time raised up enemies and traitors to discipline His people.

God looks at the heart of the believers when deciding how to judge a nation. Most {if not all} of the unbelievers have rejected Jesus Christ on account of the Christians who supposedly represent Him to the world. No living person has ever witnessed a nation fully devoted to the principles of Jesus Christ, despite what many want to believe.

The solution is to turn the hearts of Christian people. When this is accomplished, it will be a small matter to turn the hearts of unbelievers. They are holding out for something better than what is being offered to them, and should be commended for this.

When Churchianity repents of {changes their minds about} its lawlessness {1John 3:4} and the Holy Spirit is poured out upon them, Jesus will be irresistible to the unbelievers. And the chastisments will cease. Duet. 28 in the News.

messianicdruid said: "When Churchianity repents of {changes their minds about} its lawlessness {1John 3:4} and the Holy Spirit is poured out upon them, Jesus will be irresistible to the unbelievers."

The unbelievers, bathed in the Holy Spirit, will find Jesus irresistible, all the unbelievers will become believers in the irresistible Jesus, and none shall suffer eternal torment in Hell.

Halelujah!

You know, Jimmy, look, looking around it occurs to me that the wheels have come off your blog. Blog.

But what reason do they give? Aluminium!? Are they trying to turn you all into stand still tin soldier mimes? Give us a link too-I've never researched the chem trail part of the Conspiracy. There are so many aspects-I've specialized in the racial replacement aspect. The Gay aspect is going to become huge over the next few years. Heterosexual White Men will begin to be persecuted-already are in some companies. The Feminist aspect was a master stroke by the Enemy-separating our Race into two.

MESSAGE TO OBAMA: WITHDRAW ALL TROOPS NOW!

STOP SPENDING $400 A GALLON TO OCCUPY AFGHANISTAN AND DEFEND A CORRUPT KARZAI GOVERNMENT

Pentagon officials have told the House Appropriations Defense Subcommittee a gallon of fuel costs the military about $400 by the time it arrives in the remote locations in Afghanistan where U.S. troops operate.

“It is a number that we were not aware of and it is worrisome,” Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), the chairman of the House Appropriations Defense panel, said in an interview with The Hill. “When I heard that figure from the Defense Department, we started looking into it.”

The Pentagon comptroller’s office provided the fuel statistic to the committee staff when it was asked for a breakdown of why every 1,000 troops deployed to Afghanistan costs $1 billion. The Obama administration uses this estimate in calculating the cost of sending more troops to Afghanistan.

"Senators diverted $2.6 billion in funds in a defense spending bill to pet projects largely at the expense of accounts that pay for fuel, ammunition and training for U.S. troops, including those fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to an analysis."

These mutherfuckers should be drawn, quartered and pressed into the shape of shields to protect our troops. These are treasonous acts and should be punishable by a very slow, uncomfortable death.

dumber-than-dale asks:

"I can't decide if you are a 30-ish, emotionally immature, nebbish little cubicle gnome, without a life, pretending to be a tough guy, or a pimple faced 16-year old masquerading as a nebbish cubicle gnome without a life.''

Ah, actually I am neither dale. I am your mommy. And my plan is to kill you in your sleep because the world has too many FUCKTARDS. Sweet dreams son.


“It is a number that we were not aware of and it is worrisome,” Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), the chairman of the House Appropriations Defense panel, said in an interview with The Hill. “When I heard that figure from the Defense Department, we started looking into it.”

OK, Johnny you get right on top of that number and then while you are at it close the FUCKING airport that you built to serve...YOU as you are one of the few people who use it on a weekly basis. I'll let asoka-his-pants google this fucking airport boondoggle and report to all of the viewers since he is such a proponent of of MUTHERFUCKING-MURTHA. (Hey pants-shitter, why don't you check up on these fuckwads you constantly cite. They are fucking embarrassments as are you.)

I've heard that prophecy too. But first Russia is going to hold off the New World Order. Luckily they have allied with the Shia-who compared to the Wahabbis are definitely "the good Muslims". We could have done that too, but it is a little late now.

When Champlain got into a beef with an Iroquois hunting party, it was a very a unfortunate precedent for the French. The incident became a grudge which drove the Iroquois into the English camp. The French allied with the Alongonquins-a second best choice by far militarily speaking. Not an exact analogy-I'm not sure any Western Country could be allies with the Wahabbis. With the Shiites something seems to be possible.

Like Augustus, Putin is exhorting the ethnic Russians to have more kids. He has begun to hold weekend camps in the summer in which the Youth of the Elite meet, and then actually pair off for the night. And then get married in good Orthodox fashion on Sunday morn. It all very unorthodox, but they are desperate-as well they should be. Other positive signs include crushing gay pride parades and skinheads attacking foreigners. In both cases, the police are on the side of the "Youths". This is a Country that intends to survive. In real cultures, the Police and the Citizenry work together. And that includes the roughnecks. Most definetly. Is this barbaric? Of course-nation building always is. Do I approve? What's the alternative? So hell yes. Who was it that said, Nations stomp upward on hob nailed boots, and then descend in silk slippers?
Well Russia is making a hell of an effort to live. The future of the West may rest with them.

Btw Italy has also brought back citizen patrols. On their jackets is papal insignia-the golden lion. The same as was on the banners at the Battle of Lepanto when the Papal Fleet crushed the Turks-freeing many thousands of White Slaves and saving the West.

In America, we await our Great Leader who will unite us. Russia has hers. Britain seems to have one in Nick Griffin-who has the makings of a very great man. Millions of White Men were willing to fight and die when they forced busing on us. But they had no leader except perhaps the politician George Wallace-who was not up to the job. And they didn't help themselves with isolated acts of terrorism like killing those little Black Girls in the Church either. We are a moral people-we have to do better than that. The steets had been full of people before that, afterwards everyone was ashamed-as if their Cause wasn't just. It was, but a Just Cause needs Just Means.

zzzzzz,

Murtha has more street cred than you on Pentagon expenditures. Four hundred dollars ($400.00) for a gallon of fuel is typical military waste.

One million dollars per soldier in Afghanistan also is a waste of taxpayer money.

Murtha left the Marines in 1955. He remained in the Reserves after his discharge from active duty until he volunteered for service in the Vietnam War, serving from 1966 to 1967, serving as a battalion staff officer (S-2 Intelligence Section), receiving the Bronze Star with Valor device, two Purple Hearts and the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry. He retired from the Reserves as a Colonel in 1990, receiving the Navy Distinguished Service Medal.

Jaego said: "We are a moral people..."

No, the Caucasian race is not moral.

Moral people do not accumulate and use nuclear weapons on civilian urban population centers. No other race of people have done that, only Caucasians. No one in the history of the world except Caucasians have done that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,307252,00.html

Come on, use your brain-stop sitting on it. Whites (don't say Caucasians) and Jews invented them. If other races had invented them, they probably would have used them by now. You don't think a madman like Idi Amin or Robert Mugabe wouldn't use them if they had them?

You want to genocide us-by your admission earlier today. Is that moral? You say you want diversity-but a second later you'll talk about the One Race-pretty scary stuff. You don't sound very moral to me-more like a very angry Self Righteous Black Boor/Bore.

"...and none shall suffer eternal torment in Hell.
Halelujah!"

"And said unto him, Do you hear what these are saying? And Jesus said unto them, Yes; have you never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings you have perfected praise?"

Eternal Punishment is against the Law.

http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=21276

Interesting counterpoint here to JHK's thesis. Cross currents and complexity make any estimates or predictions at this level highly suspect.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/a-perfect-storms-brewing-to-cool-petroleum-demand-2009-10-16

I thank Mr. Murtha for his military service. I do not thank him for his Congressional service. He is a pork eating hack of the highest order. He has wasted over 200 million dollars of tax payer money on an airport that no one uses. There are 100's of millions of other wasted dollars during his tenure.

Following from CNN site:

"Considered one of "the kings of pork" on Capitol Hill by taxpayer watchdog groups, the 19th-term Pennsylvania Democrat has piloted almost $200 million from Washington to Murtha airport. Much of the funding has come in the form of legislative earmarks that are attached to bills before Congress.

Taxpayer watchdogs have said earmarks -- often derided as "pork-barrel" spending -- are designed to fund congressional pet projects.

"[Murtha's] dumped in nearly $200 million into this project that has virtually no passengers. It's practically a museum piece," said Steve Ellis with the Taxpayers for Common Sense."

Soldier Murtha, I thank you. Congressman Murtha, go FUCK yourself, you selfish, fucking bastard.

"KPFK openly announces when they are spraying Los Angeles!
is it aluminum?"
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We got trouble right here in River City! Trouble!
Trouble! Trouble! It begins with a "T".....

"There are so many aspects-I've specialized in the racial replacement aspect. The Gay aspect is going to become huge over the next few years. Heterosexual White Men will begin to be persecuted-already are in some companies. The Feminist aspect was a master stroke by the Enemy-separating our Race into two."
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Yes indeed, there are either so many conspiracies out to get me it's impossible to fathom the intricate depth of it all......or.....it's all in my fucking head! I wonder which it is? hummmm....

Jaego said: "Heterosexual White Men will begin to be persecuted..."

Whiteness is an unearned privilege. The privilege whiteness enjoys is about to end.

The privilege of whiteness requires bearing witness to suppressed histories of violence.

I do not support any kind of violence or persecution of any race. But white privilege is built upon violence and the incineration / enslaving / scalping / lynching of other races, and that privilege is now ending.

The most beautiful aspect is how it is ending... through human beings of differing races falling in love and marrying. And there is no force on earth powerful enough to stop love.

I agree with most of what Mr. Kunstler said in terms of facts, although I'd have taken a different tone about it.

There's one major point that needs to be corrected: Bush started planning the war on Iraq before he even got elected. We have plenty of evidence for that. 9/11 gave him the excuse to move forward with his plan. His reasons could be many - Oil strategy, revenge for the criticism of his dad for not pushing further into Iraq and taking out Saddam in 1991, pleasing his friends in Saudi Arabia...who knows. I'm pretty sure that an ass-kicking was part of it, but it was at best only partially in response to 9/11.

I agree that it was a bit premature to award President Obama the Nobel Peace Prize. I hope he will continue to do the kinds of things to warrant the prize while he is in office. I don't blame him for having to finish two wars that had already been going on long before he got into office. That's dumb. What was he supposed to do? Immediately yank all of our soldiers out of both places without any exit strategy, plan for success, etc.? Would we really have WANTED him to do that? No. Well, there are a few of us who would, but I don't think they're being realistic or taking into consideration the long-term effects of such moves in the region. We don't want to destabilize them by leaving too suddenly.

Rather, my impression was that the Nobel committee was sort of awarding the prize to American voters for putting President Obama in office. That was the single greatest act towards world peace in decades. The Reagan-Bush era of "hawkish" foreign policy is over, for now. I don't think the "therapeutic" mentality affected governance much during the last 30 years. Expectations of individuals toward each other, yes, to a great extent. Government behavior? Not in the slightest. It's all been about giving large corporations anything they want and crushing regular Americans under their bootheels. The push has been to not increase the minimum wage, cut the power of unions, reduce regulations and standards of benefits and salaries of employees, including sick and vacation time, health care cost and coverage, and others. Republicans have steadily stripped the strength of our public school system, which was already abysmal compared to other industrialized countries. They have removed protections for individuals from abuse by corporations including banking institutions charging ridiculous usury rates for lending; investment institutions creating bizarre, illogical, risky investment options; polluting companies who have made us all sicker; health insurance companies who have denied coverage of basic health care needs based on profit motives, not health; pharmaceutical companies charging ridiculous prices for medicine - all in the name of profit, enormous record profits, even when most of us are struggling to get by. They have also interfered with our personal lives, legislating who can't marry whom and what you can't decide for your own body including pregnancy and end-of-life decisions. There is nothing "therapeutic" or "feel good" about those kinds of pro-corporation, anti-American (as in individual Americans) policies.

I agree with most of what Mr. Kunstler said in terms of facts, although I'd have taken a different tone about it.

There's one major point that needs to be corrected: Bush started planning the war on Iraq before he even got elected. We have plenty of evidence for that. 9/11 gave him the excuse to move forward with his plan. His reasons could be many - Oil strategy, revenge for the criticism of his dad for not pushing further into Iraq and taking out Saddam in 1991, pleasing his friends in Saudi Arabia...who knows. I'm pretty sure that an ass-kicking was part of it, but it was at best only partially in response to 9/11.

I agree that it was a bit premature to award President Obama the Nobel Peace Prize. I hope he will continue to do the kinds of things to warrant the prize while he is in office. I don't blame him for having to finish two wars that had already been going on long before he got into office. That's dumb. What was he supposed to do? Immediately yank all of our soldiers out of both places without any exit strategy, plan for success, etc.? Would we really have WANTED him to do that? No. Well, there are a few of us who would, but I don't think they're being realistic or taking into consideration the long-term effects of such moves in the region. We don't want to destabilize them by leaving too suddenly.

Rather, my impression was that the Nobel committee was sort of awarding the prize to American voters for putting President Obama in office. That was the single greatest act towards world peace in decades. The Reagan-Bush era of "hawkish" foreign policy is over, for now. I don't think the "therapeutic" mentality affected governance much during the last 30 years. Expectations of individuals toward each other, yes, to a great extent. Government behavior? Not in the slightest. It's all been about giving large corporations anything they want and crushing regular Americans under their bootheels. The push has been to not increase the minimum wage, cut the power of unions, reduce regulations and standards of benefits and salaries of employees, including sick and vacation time, health care cost and coverage, and others. Republicans have steadily stripped the strength of our public school system, which was already abysmal compared to other industrialized countries. They have removed protections for individuals from abuse by corporations including banking institutions charging ridiculous usury rates for lending; investment institutions creating bizarre, illogical, risky investment options; polluting companies who have made us all sicker; health insurance companies who have denied coverage of basic health care needs based on profit motives, not health; pharmaceutical companies charging ridiculous prices for medicine - all in the name of profit, enormous record profits, even when most of us are struggling to get by. They have also interfered with our personal lives, legislating who can't marry whom and what you can't decide for your own body including pregnancy and end-of-life decisions. There is nothing "therapeutic" or "feel good" about those kinds of pro-corporation, anti-American (as in individual Americans) policies.

Read Hannah Arendt's book and she will detail it for you. Not the first ones but the ones who came in the 1880's. Also Bernard-Henri Levy describes how the cultured European arrived and journeyed west on a train only to have to carve out a plantation,farm, whatever in the wilderness and soon he had degenerated into a workhorse. He doesn't say anything about attaching his wife and kids to a plow.

O Pioneer by Cather also tells this story.

Hope said: "We don't want to destabilize them by leaving too suddenly. "

Destabilize? The situation has never been stable, not even after eight years of occupation.

Too suddenly? If we follow Obama's advice to be as careful about getting out as Bush was careless about getting in, does that mean eight more years?

The USA violated the UN Charter in bombing and invading and occupying those countries. The USA has no legal right to be there. The withdrawal should be immediately, careful or careless be damned.

The problem with white heterosexual males is that they are so threatened that their response is aggression. They give out bad vibes to women, feminists or not feminists.

I myself have a problem with feminists as you have described them.

They are beyond motherfuckers. They are stupid, narcissistic and only concerned with keeping their jobs. What else could they do if they weren't in Congress making all of us miserable. How dare they deny health coverage to people when they have good coverage that can't be terminated. If they were not in Congress they wouldn't have it, would they? No wonder they take lobbyists' money to stay in there.

Richard Heinberg believes in a new 9/11 investigation, is he a conspiracy freak and brain dead too?

http://oilsmokeandmirrors.com/

Richard Heinberg believes in a new 9/11 investigation, is he a conspiracy freak and brain dead too?
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Yes....as well as a huckster, flim-flam man and opportunist. Apparently you haven't read any of his books or that would/should be obvious to you.

I bought one and returned it to a second hand store as quickly as possible before someone saw it in my house.

"I bought one and returned it to a second hand store as quickly as possible before someone saw it in my house."

Well walking around your home in women's clothes where all can see you doesn't seem to bother you so why should some silly book?

anyone who wants to can go to WIKI: chemtrails
the photo on the page of the high flying jet with the expanding jet trail is what happens...LA...friends say palmsprings, riverside

from WIKI:
The chemtrail conspiracy theory holds that some contrails are actually chemicals or biological agents deliberately sprayed at high altitudes for a purpose undisclosed to the general public. Versions of the chemtrail conspiracy theory circulating on the internet and radio talk shows theorize that the activity is directed by government officials.[1] As a result, federal agencies have received thousands of complaints from people who have demanded an explanation.[2] The existence of chemtrails has been repeatedly denied by government agencies and scientists around the world.[3]

Thanks. So they warn you when it's coming but they don't tell you what the hell they're doin it for? Or what the hazards are?

So what if some Whites don't want to mix, will they be forced to? Or just persecuted and made into third class citizens? And you didn't anwwer me before: how does breeding everyone into a cafe au lait melange promote diversity?

Read Black Asoka's posts: he confirms everything I say is real. The French are going to push the envelope on this one-the next step will be tax breaks for inter-ethnic couples. Sarkozy said that the French MUST breed with the Arabs. For more-read Jean Raspail's prophetic novel "Camp of the Saints". I consider him a prophet: he went down to the beach one day and "saw" millions of brown people swarming off ships onto French shores. Saw it in his mind's eye. It is coming true before our eyes. One Prime Minister said, "Europe owes as much to Islam as does to Christianity." Another French traitor-Mitterand I think, said, "Our house is their house."

Orianna Fallaci is one of my heroes. (a man who has feminine heroes isn't a complete misogynist) A life long Leftist and a journalist who had been all over the world, she realized that the biggest story had eluded her and it was right in her backyard: the takeover of Europe by Islam. And she hated it-she was an actual patriot which is very rare for a Leftist. Of course all her Leftist friends deserted her. Of course, she was being tried for thought crime-even when she was dying of breast cancer. She died a Leftist I suppose-but boy did she have a late life growth spurt. Very few people are capable of that. She realized that she had been wrong about many things-if she had lived she would have realized even more. She never realized that Leftists are supposed to hate their own Country.

Anyway, based on the investigations of Bat Yeor an Israeli, she came to believe that a precursor body to the European Union made a secret agreement to sell out Europe to Islam-favor them culturally with unlimited immigration. And for what? A good deal on Oil. The Muslims know that their time is short. An Arab saying: "My Father rode a camel. I ride in a car. My son rides in a jet. And his son will ride a camel." They know that the greatest import isn't oil but Islam. They have used one to impose the other. And we get a mess of pottage.

Women often project wildly onto men-even just walking down the street or waiting for the bus. As an empath, I perceive it immediately and give them as much space as I can. They have been taught as you were to loathe your own brothers. And welcome Black Men as our replacements. If their fear was rational, they would scream in terror everytime they saw a Black Man-that is how great the difference is in terms of rape and assault. But Blacks are superficially charming and they have been trained to hate White Men. So like moths to the flame they fall to their destruction.

JHK doesn't believe that the US is trying to create a strong puppet government in Kabul to ensure the safety of the oil pipeline? A Unocal official said differently in 1998.

Is an Oil Pipeline Behind the War in Afghanistan?

by Bill Sardi

Testimony before the US Congress is circulating on the internet. It pertains to a proposed oil pipeline through Central Asia that is applicable to the current war in Afghanistan.

On February 12, 1998, John J. Maresca, vice president, international relations for UNOCAL oil company, testified before the US House of Representatives, Committee on International Relations. Maresca provided information to Congress on Central Asia oil and gas reserves and how they might shape US foreign policy. UNOCAL's problem? As Maresca said: "How to get the region's vast energy resources to the markets." The oil reserves are in areas north of Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan and Russia. Routes for a pipeline were proposed that would transport oil on a 42-inch pipe southward thru Afghanistan for 1040 miles to the Pakistan coast. Such a pipeline would cost about $2.5 billion and carry about 1 million barrels of oil per day.

Maresca told Congress then that: "It's not going to be built until there is a single Afghan government. That's the simple answer."

Dana Rohrbacher, California congressman, then identified the Taliban as the ruling controllers among various factions in Afghanistan and characterized them as "opium producers."

Then Rohrbacher asked Maresca: "There is a Saudi terrorist who is infamous for financing terrorism around the world. Is he in the Taliban area or is he up there with the northern people?"

Maresca answered: "If it is the person I am thinking of, he is there in the Taliban area." This testimony obviously alluded to Osama bin Laden.

Then Rorhbacher asked: "... in the northern area as compared to the place where the Taliban are in control, would you say that one has a better human rights record toward women than the other?"

Maresca responded by saying: "With respect to women, yes. But I don't think either faction here has a very clean human rights record, to tell you the truth."

So women's rights were introduced into Congressional testimony by Congressman Rohrbacher as the wedge for UNOCAL to build its pipeline through Afghanistan. Three years later CNN would be airing its acclaimed TV documentary "Under The Veil," which displayed the oppressive conditions that women endure in Afghanistan under the rule of the Taliban (a propaganda film for the oil pipeline?).

Rohrbacher then went on to say that a democratic election should take place in Afghanistan and "if the Taliban are not willing to make that kind of commitment, I would be very hesitant to move foreward on a $2.5 billion investment because without that commitment, I don't think there is going to be any tranquility in that land."

Beginning in 1998 UNOCAL was chastized, particularly by women's rights groups, for discussions with the Taliban, and headed in retreat as a worldwide effort mounted to come to the defense of the Afghani women. This forced UNOCAL to withdraw from its talks with the Taliban and dissolve its multinational partnership in that region. In 1999 Alexander's Gas & Oil Connections newsletter said: "UNOCAL company officials said late last year (1998) they were abandoning the project because of the need to cut costs in the Caspian region and because of the repeated failure of efforts to resolve the long civil conflict in Afghanistan." [Volume 4, issue #20 - Monday, November 22, 1999]

Three days following the attack on the World Trade Centers in New York City, UNOCAL issued a statement reconfirming it had withdrawn from its project in Afghanistan, long before recent events. [www.unocal.com September 14, 2001 statement]

UNOCAL was not the only party positioning themselves to tap into oil and gas reserves in central Asia. UNOCAL was primary member of a multinational consortium called CentGas (Central Asia Gas) along with Delta Oil Company Limited (Saudi Arabia), the Government of Turkmenistan, Indonesia Petroleum, LTD. (INPEX) (Japan), ITOCHU Oil Exploration Co., Ltd. (Japan), Hyundai Engineering & Construction Co., Ltd. (Korea), the Crescent Group (Pakistan) and RAO Gazprom (Russia).

Just because CentGas had dissolved does not mean that the involved parties have totally abandoned their interest in building an oil pipeline out of Central Asia. There is also talk of another pipeline thru Iran. India and Pakistan are bidding to be the pipeline terminal ocean port since they would obtain hundreds of millions of dollars in fees.

So, in 1998 Osama bin Laden was identified as the villain behind the Taliban, Afghanistani women the victims of an oppressive Taliban regime, and the stage was set for a future stabilization effort (i.e. a war). Was all this a cover story for a future oil pipeline?

In November 2000, Bruce Hoffman, director of the Rand Institute office in Washington DC, indicated that the next US President would have to face up to the growing threat is Islamic terrorism. Hoffman: "The next administration must turn its immediate attention to knitting together the full range of US counterterrorist capabilities into a cohesive plan." [Los Angeles Times, November 12, 2000]

All that was needed was a triggering event.

October 15, 2001

Bill Sardi [send him mail] is a health journalist at www.askbillsardi.com.

Copyright © 2001 by the Bill Sardi Word of Knowledge Agency, San Dimas, California.

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Don't worry Dale-you're part of all this. We call folks like you "sheeple". Lenin called your kind "useful idiots"-and was profoundly greatful to you all. Like the Tin Man you have no heart. Anyone who fails to capitalize White but capitalizes Black and Native American is surely heartless. And like the Scarecrow, you have no brain. Anyone who can't see the Conspiracy now is hopeless. And no wizard can make you whole Dale, but only the Master who makes the Grass Green. I'm not kidding even though I'm a great Khidr of a kind.

Jaego said: "So what if some Whites don't want to mix, will they be forced to? Or just persecuted and made into third class citizens?"

No one wants to do you harm. No one wants to force you to do anything. You are a relic of the past on the fast track to extinction. Ask your daughters.

Your question really deserves no answer, the answer being so obvious. Black marries white, white marries black, children cafe au lait. Asian, Mexican, etc. same thing. Diversity grows.

And now we have institutional support for love:

(AP) NEW ORLEANS — Two civil and constitutional rights organizations called on a Louisiana justice of the peace to resign Friday after he refused to marry an interracial couple, saying any children the couple might have would suffer.

The leaders of the American Civil Liberties Union in Louisiana and the Center for Constitutional Rights and Justice in New York said Keith Bardwell, a white justice of the peace in Tangipahoa Parish in the southeastern part of the state, should quit immediately. Earlier this month, Bardwell refused to issue a marriage license to Beth Humphrey, who is white, and Terence McKay, who is black.

Oh I love Fallaci too! Since I first read her Interviews With History. And yes I have come full circle as she has.

And Houellebecq is the author who is the intellectual rage in France saying the same thing.Add him to your list of what abbeysbooks is reading at present and taking seriously. Levy led me to Houellebecq who led me to Lovecraft. And over 10 years ago I saw a review in either Time or Newsweek about Infinite Jest the new novel of the 20th century. I ordered it, tore off the wrapper when it came and sat down to read and didn't stop until 5 days later. I resented having to sleep or eat or got to the bathroom while I was immersed in it. DFW is not politically correct either. Everyone is fair game to him.

Charlie Wilson's War is pretty detailed and graphic about Afghanistan. And what we needed to do after the Red Menace was gone. As far as Communism goes Solzhenitsyn destroyed it for all liberals who were akin to it. After his Gulag it never had any credibility. Rand did her best to destroy it but could not match the Great One. Added to his content is the fact that he became a beautiful writer in the best tradition of Russian Literature.

Charlie Wilson's War is pretty detailed and graphic about Afghanistan. And what we needed to do after the Red Menace was gone. As far as Communism goes Solzhenitsyn destroyed it for all liberals who were akin to it. After his Gulag it never had any credibility. Rand did her best to destroy it but could not match the Great One. Added to his content is the fact that he became a beautiful writer in the best tradition of Russian Literature.

Charlie Wilson's War is pretty detailed and graphic about Afghanistan. And what we needed to do after the Red Menace was gone. As far as Communism goes Solzhenitsyn destroyed it for all liberals who were akin to it. After his Gulag it never had any credibility. Rand did her best to destroy it but could not match the Great One. Added to his content is the fact that he became a beautiful writer in the best tradition of Russian Literature.

Jaego said: "So what if some Whites don't want to mix, will they be forced to? Or just persecuted and made into third class citizens?"

Relax. No one wants to hurt you. No one wants to force you to do anything. You are a relic of the past on the fast track to extinction. Ask your daughter.

When black marries white, or asian, or native american, the resulting shades of cafe au lait and diverse physical features which result equal more diversity.

And now we have institutional support for our love and legal right to miscegenation:

(AP) NEW ORLEANS — Two civil and constitutional rights organizations called on a Louisiana justice of the peace to resign Friday after he refused to marry an interracial couple, saying any children the couple might have would suffer.

The leaders of the American Civil Liberties Union in Louisiana and the Center for Constitutional Rights and Justice in New York said Keith Bardwell, a white justice of the peace in Tangipahoa Parish in the southeastern part of the state, should quit immediately. Earlier this month, Bardwell refused to issue a marriage license to Beth Humphrey, who is white, and Terence McKay, who is black.

Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) also called for Bardwell's dismissal. "I am deeply disturbed by Justice Bardwell's practices and comments concerning interracial marriages," she said. "Not only does his decision directly contradict Supreme Court rulings, it is an example of the ugly bigotry that divided our country for too long. I call upon the Louisiana Judiciary Committee to use its authority to have Justice Bardwell dismissed from his position. He clearly has no intention of administering the law or upholding justice for interracial couples."

"Perhaps he's worried the kids will grow up and be president," said Bill Quigley, director of the Center for Constitutional Rights and Justice, referring to President Barack Obama, the son of a black father from Kenya and a white mother from Kansas.

Senator Mary Landrieu (D-La.) also called for Bardwell's dismissal. "I am deeply disturbed by Justice Bardwell's practices and comments concerning interracial marriages," she said. "Not only does his decision directly contradict Supreme Court rulings, it is an example of the ugly bigotry that divided our country for too long. I call upon the Louisiana Judiciary Committee to use its authority to have Justice Bardwell dismissed from his position. He clearly has no intention of administering the law or upholding justice for interracial couples."

"Perhaps he's worried the kids will grow up and be president," said Bill Quigley, director of the Center for Constitutional Rights and Justice, referring to President Barack Obama, the son of a black father from Kenya and a white mother from Kansas.

Senator Mary Landrieu (D-La.) also called for Bardwell's dismissal. "I am deeply disturbed by Justice Bardwell's practices and comments concerning interracial marriages," she said. "Not only does his decision directly contradict Supreme Court rulings, it is an example of the ugly bigotry that divided our country for too long. I call upon the Louisiana Judiciary Committee to use its authority to have Justice Bardwell dismissed from his position. He clearly has no intention of administering the law or upholding justice for interracial couples."

"Perhaps he's worried the kids will grow up and be president," said Bill Quigley, director of the Center for Constitutional Rights and Justice, referring to President Barack Obama, the son of a black father from Kenya and a white mother from Kansas.

But when miscegenation happens, the unique qualities of each race are eliminated. The resulting mongrel will have neither set of qualities in full-and likely no new ones of its own to make up the loss.

We are the righteous men now the downtrodden, the niggers-not you. Yet still you will follow us to take us for what little we have left. Richard Benjamen's new book "Whitopia" lays out the basic plan. Blacks will follow Whites to their strongholds-be it Cour D'Alene or Westchester County and through section 8, get a foot in the door. And then suck these places dry though welfare and crime. And of course some more decent Blacks come too-to work and play in a quality community the like of which their own Race cannot create. They know this in the back of their minds and it burns them. In any case, they will support to the hilt their lesser bretheren in their nefarious endeavors-and thus make their own contribution to the destruction.

When Israel was in Egypt's Land,
Let my People go.
Oppressed so hard they could not stand,
Let my People go.

Excellent, but don't stop. You must come to appreciate the biological underpinnings to Western Culture-and the fact that different races create different societies. Consider the words of a great man of our culture, Albert Schweitzer who knew the Negro better than anyone: "I have given my life to alleviate the sufferings of Africa. There is something that all White men who have lived here like I have must learn and know; that these individuals are a sub-race.

They have neither the mental or emotional abilities to equate or share equally with White men in any function of our civilization. I have given my life to try to bring unto them the advantages which our civilization must offer, but I have become well aware that we must retain this status: White the superior and they the inferior.

For whenever a White man seeks to live among them as their equals, they will destroy and devour him, and they will destroy all his work. And so for any existing relationship or any benefit to this people, let white men , from anywhere in the world, who would come to help Africa, remember that you must maintain this status: you the master and they the inferior, like children whom you would help or teach.

Never fraternize with them as equals. Never accept them as your social equals or they will devour you. They will destroy you."


As you know, Schweitzer was the Mother Theresa of his day. But because of the above attitude, he has been dropped from the history books. Also he offended the African Intellectuals by stating plainly that they were not ready for independence. Needless to say, time has proven him right in this. And time will also prove him right in his overall view of the Negro. Your overestimation of them is wild and irrational. You must see this and only then will you be able to judge the Whites around you with equanimity and compassion. You have been giving to Blacks the devotion that belongs to your own Race. Blacks cannot make use of what you have given them by and large. You must return your gift to where it belongs: with your own people.

Jaego said: "different races create different societies."

And the White race is not moral.

In lily-white Kootenai County, Idaho the crime statistics show:

Murder
Rape
Robbery
Aggravated Assault
Burglary
Larceny - theft
Motor vehicle thefts

And besides being criminal and immoral the Whites in Idaho are cowardly, so fearful and scared and racist and afraid of the federal government that they organize extremist militias. They only feel like men when they are armed. They like to call themselves patriots, but they are false patriots.

Nobody needs to persecute them. They run to the forests all by themselves.

These false patriots have no legal right to prevent mixed marriages. People of any race have the right to move anywhere in the country where there is economic opportunity, even if that scares the bejesus out of the scaredycat racists because they think they might lose their "racial purity" or whatever other racist reasons they give.

Another week of the JHK comments is coming to a close. And again, similar to nearly every week before this one, it ends on a racial discourse.

Why is this so? It seems like Americans are unable to lift up their eyes beyond the skin-tone of their fellow Americans. I can see why this site is aka "Clusterfuck Nation".

"Why is this so?"

They no longer have any basis of unity.

You seem to be naturally assuming that the races are the same-everyone does nowadays. You all have been programmed to think this way. Can you prove this wild assumption? Because it flies in the face of all evidence. If you have been following this, then you should know by now that all this is very recent-all since the mid twentieth century. None of the Founding Fathers believed it-they believed in the difference as I do.

What does it matter? Well if the difference is real, then it expains why Blacks can't compete with Whites and we are "off the hook". If there is no difference, then the only explanation for the difference in school grades and career perfomance is White Racism. There is no third explanation. Primary and High School Teachers are all trained now in Maoist self criticism; always accusing themselves of subtle racism. They are taking the blame for Black kids who go home with empty school bags. I live near a Multi Racial City-I've seen it all my life. East Asian kids carrying a huge load of books, often going straight to the library. Black kids with nothing-they don't want to be weighed down; it not cool and it gets in the way of running, shucking and jiving-what really matters to them. And Whites somewhere in the middle but closer to the Asians. Hispanics in the middle but closer to the Blacks. You see how it works? Why should White Teachers take the "load" when Blacks wont? Ditto for Affrirmative Action. Why should we take the "hit" for Blacks who aren't as good? Ditto for Welfare. Why should we take the "slack" for Blacks or do nothings of any color?

And if they try to separate the dumb kids from the smart kids-a basic educational strategy-there are almost no smart Black kids and everyone freaks out and the policy is stopped. Thus the smart and the dumb are educated together-which is unfair to both. Equal treatment of unequal people is tyranny.

Skin color is the least of it. It's only one factor in what makes up a race. There are people in Southern India who are almost as Black as the Blackest African. In other words, far darker than most African Americans. But some of them have sharp Caucasian features and Caucasian shaped heads. These people are far more White in their behavior and IQ than African Americans. So we don't make a fetish of the skin color. There is alot of racial diversity in India. Some of the people have Australoid blood. But apparently, there was an Ancient race of Caucasians who had very dark skin. Not all the dark people have the sharp features-some of them look more like Aboriginees. You only see the sharp features in a minority now. Most Southern Indians are very mixed.

Brother Jaego asks: "What White ever claimed that we were perfect or completely moral?"


You did, brother. On Oct. 16, 2009 in your comment at 12:16 a.m. you said: "We are a moral people" referring to Whites.

I am glad you are now retracting that. Saves me from having to point out that White crimes have been on a scale so as to make non-white crime insignificant, starting with the kidnapping and enslavement of millions of good Black folk, then stealing the land and committing genocide on millions of good Red folk, exploiting the good Yellow folk and then, after they had served their purpose, passing Exclusion Laws against them, right on up to today with the White folks running the major banks who are stealing BILLIONS of dollars from the taxpayers and giving themselves million dollar bonuses for doing that work. Kind of makes us look bad, getting fifty bucks for knocking off a 7-11 ... out of economic necessity.

A very dumb argument for you to make since Blacks have a much higher crime rate than Whites and are therefore even "less moral" than Whites. The most dangerous cities in America, such as Detroit and Newark, are mostly Black. What White ever claimed that we were perfect or completely moral? It's a matter of degree-and you all are on the bottom as usual. Blacks are about five times more likely to committ serious crimes such as murder, armed robbery, and rape. So to live near a large Black Community is very dangerous-not just for Whites but for Blacks as well. That's one reason Blacks want to follow us to Idaho-to get away from other Blacks. Unfortunately, even if the Feds don't interfere with section 8, well to do Blacks have a higher crime rate than Whites are comfortable with. The kids of the Black Elite are never as smart as their parents. In statistics, it's called regression to the mean.

Stick to the Nuclear argument-that has at least a superficial coherency. Better yet, just give in and admit the truth. God placed you in a difficult place-a smart Man in a race of dullards. You are called to humility-as are we all. God is the source of every good quality. Whites didn't create themselves. We have Him to thank for our gifts. And we are supposed to share them...Not squander them and destroy ourselves for profit or out of guilt for our failings.

From Wikapedia: Humanzee

An episode of Unsolved History, Humanzee, originally broadcast on the Discovery Channel on March 27, 1998, discussed the controversies over Oliver the chimp and also detailed some of the rumors and urban legends about "humanzees". One claim was that a common chimpanzee was impregnated by human sperm in a laboratory in China, but died from neglect before giving birth during the Chinese Cultural Revolution in the 1960s. A similar story, reported by University at Albany psychologist Gordon Gallup, alleged that a human-chimp hybrid was successfully engendered and born during expirements by Robert Yerkes or his staff at the Anthropoid Breeding and Experiment Station in Orange Park, Florida in the 1920s, but was destroyed by the scientists soon after. Gallup claimed he heard the story as a young graduate student, when an elderly academic confided in him that he had been part of the team behind the experiment. Gallup added that he feels the colleague telling him of this genuinely believed the story to be true but that he, Gallup, has never been able to prove it one way or another. Gallup added further confusion to the matter by stating that this had taken place in Florida at Yerkes National Primate Research Center. They could not have since that facility under that name has never been in Florida. After Yerkes death, the primate lab he ran was moved to Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia and renamed in his honor. Yerkes did run a primate breeding program in Florida during the time period Gallup refers to. That lab eventually became known as Yerkes National Primate Research Center, but not until decades later.

Jaego said: "A very dumb argument for you to make since Blacks have a much higher crime rate than Whites and are therefore even "less moral" Whites."

Black crime doesn't begin to match the scale of White crime over the last 500 years, beginning with Whites kidnapping and enslaving Blacks, then engaging in genocide against millions of good Red folk, then exploiting the good Yellow folk, then passing Exclusion Laws against the Yellow folk, right on up to today's White Christian bankers stealing billions from taxpayers and giving themselves million dollar bonuses as a reward, White Christian businessmen shipping factories to Communist China, running sweat shops and forced prostitution rings, raping and trafficking of women.

White folk immoral behavior makes Black folk look bad by comparison ... we gettin' fifty bucks from a 7-11 ... and that out of adolescent stupidity or, maybe, though inexcusably, economic necessity.

We just can't compete with you White folks when it comes to systematic immoral behavior committed on a massive scale.

Jaego said: "God is the source of every good quality. Whites didn't create themselves. We have Him to thank for our gifts."

I don't believe in no God today (tomorrow I might). I am large. I contain multitudes.

But... if God exists, She shor'nuff gon' be Black.

abbeysbooks said: "Houellebecq condemns all this freedom. It isn't freedom, it is license."

So what is Houellebecq's personal response to the suicide of the west? He has opted for heavy drinking and depression and pornography... these are not creative responses. They are not new. It requires no intelligence to live in a drunken stupor, to the point of a drunken coma.

Houellebecq may condemn freedom, but he own drinking is not out of freedom, it is license.

Jaego, I think western civilization is in disintegration. It may disappear like Assyria, who knows, when all whites have melded into cafe au lait.

Toynbee lists many coping behaviors citizens of a disintegrating empire perform. Ours at the moment is ranting about it. When I first read Houellebcq I felt shock and disapproval. Continuing on I beganto agree as all my repressed negative feelings were surfacing.

I lost tenure through affirmative action. I could have fought but I was doing well in real estate and didn't fight. The union will not protect you if you don't make a big fuss.

It's all over for the white race. Just as it was all over in Greece, but her values and ideas lived on. There may be pockets where more and more inbreeding will take place.

A few weeks ago the overhang in front of my Victorian building fell down. (I suspect vandalism from white rednecks.)Today an Amish man and his twin sons came to take the mess all the way down and haul it away. They came by horse and buggy. There was no fighting, no arguing, no second guessing, just steady problem solving and work and it was all done in 3 hours for $5 an hour for each of them. There was no chance of getting locals to do it or to come up with a reasonable price. All of them who said they would lo9ok at it and estimate it for me never showed up. This is typical black behavior in Philly and white behavior here. It comes from no education and no responsibility from parents in the home.

Houellebecq condemns all this freedom. It isn't freedom, it is license. These Amish boys today are used to being obedient. Yet within their family authority structure they act free, they problem solve, they talk to you and share opinions as to what to do first with the overhang. I have done and supervised a lot of this work. Had I had them working for me in Philly I would have never had the headaches I did. I was always dealing with workers who were drug addicts, irresponsible, etc.

Just showing up on time is 80% of success. Neither working whites or blacks can get this straight. Look at Clinton. Always late. Always procrastinating. Except when he was coming maybe.

I can only agree with you.

Why does Mr. Kunstler care what some people think about 9/11? I personally have no idea what happened on that doubt but doubt many details of the government's version.

It is clear that JHK does not want to discuss the issue, which, of course, is fine. But he goes out of his way to insult such doubters. Is this just a continuation of a style that refers to "NASCAR morons?" If so, stick to your insightful commentary and stop wasting your breath on personal attacks.

"They run to the forests all by themselves."

The wilderness is a place to withdraw from the world system, to renew strength and seek guidance. So-called "civilization" is a man-made corrupting religion, doomed to extinction. Is it any wonder that some flee from it?

"The remnant of Israel {those who rule with God} shall not do iniquity {law - less - ness}, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid." Zeph. 3:13

The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and every where the ceremony of innocence is drowned; the best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity... William Butler Yeats

A lot that get said here seems to imply much more purpose than I often see:

Check out:

http://www.counterpunch.org/bageant02062008.html

for the mindless chaos forcing the genes of races to try to buy time on the path of extinction.

messianicdruid said: "The wilderness is a place to withdraw from the world system, to renew strength and seek guidance."

Yes, mystics have always gone to caves, or deserts, or forests, for spiritual retreat and that is perfectly acceptable, in accordance with God's laws.

But these White Nationalists go to the forest to set up compounds, train militias, and prepare themselves to kill God's Children who are not like them.

Their Christianity is not a Christianity of the Prince of Peace who said "Love your enemies" ... It's a Christianity that says: "Lets go kick some rag-head sand N****r butt.

"Lets go kick some rag-head sand N****r butt."

You are describing DOD mercaneries, not militia. I think you are buying into goobermint propaganda such as "Tim McViegh was a militia member" and the "domestic-terrorist" boo sheet of the SPLC. Can you "live and let live"? Or do you need the man to go and do your dirty work? If you want to mix it up with the militias you will have to go to them {ie: invade the wilderness - lol}.

And it is specious to attempt to link them to churchianity. These people want to warm pews, not take on Goliath.

The weapons to fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, these have divine power to demolish those that appear strong.

Dear Abbeysbooks,

What is the relation between literature (and also popular culture in general) and America’s white underclass? Are you aware of the image of the white lower class that is being exported from the US and how, for example, Europeans receive it.

It seems that during the last century, American authors used to talk about the poor whites, especially the most representative novelists of that era (Faulkner, Steinbeck, Caldwell). There was a general interest in portraying that reality. But, after the forties, this interest seems to vanish (at least as a major theme).

Do you have any insight {or concern} for the loss of interest in poor white folks. Is it because of something that must be ignored? What happened that made the Joads from “Grapes of Wrath” (being an epic image of endurance in front of social injustice) turn into Pa Kettle, Dagwood Bumstead or Homer Simpson?

messianicdruid said: "If you want to mix it up with the militias you will have to go to them {ie: invade the wilderness - lol}."

God will not be mocked. The militias will reap what they sow.

messianicdruid wrote: "I think you are buying into goobermint propaganda such as "Tim McViegh was a militia member"

According to the Beaver County Militia, McVeigh is still alive.

:)

http://www.geocities.com/beaver_militia/mcveigh.html

Well if it was just the fall of a local dynasty or country-like the United States!-I wouldn't care so much. Nor would I object if here and there, Whites lived with non Whites. I've done it-it can be interesting and enriching. But what freaks us out completely is that this process is happening in every White Western Country. If it's not a Conspiracy, then it's as good as one. And when it falls as it must, will the White Race be able to rebuild anything? People like Asoka are beside themseles with joy. But he will miss us very quickly if he is someplace ruled by Blacks. After all, I'm sure He and his fellow travelers could afford a plane ticket to go live in Africa. But they stay here with the hated White Man. Something is a little fishy.

This fellow Houllecacq or however you spell his name is begining to interest me. Is he just a novelist or has he written other things? Considering my mindset, what would be the best novel to read? Is that a French name? I can't imagine how it would be pronounced.

Perfect link. Thanks is just not enough to say.

Hey Lovecraft, Houellebecq, Levy, DFW you are all so so right.

Here comes Cthulhu right on time. And it's great to be old now. I get to say I told you so every day to no one in particular.

So glad you asked. Houellebecq (pronounced Hwee-bec)is the rage of a lotof people inFrance and if you read him you will see why most hate him. But he is considered their modern Camus.

Try Lanzarote first as there is an important character from Belgium. TonightI saw the independent film from Belgium called Lorna'sSecret. You can google to get the story. She came from Albania with her lover and another to marry a Belgium man to get citizenship. He is a junkie so they plan to overdose him and make her a widow and sell her to a Russian husband whichshe is agreeing to. Plans change so be sure to see it.

It is very low key, very tense, but an incredible eye opener on the marriage market for papers. She is really being pimped (gets ordered around, can't say x, must say y)but the horror is that you know easternEuropeans are doing this to get into first world countries legally to stay and plunder it. So easy and so unstoppable by the authorities. They put little measly rules in place that can be subverted in a twinkofthe eye.

If anyone saw Dirty Pretty Things with audrey Toutou (French film) where eastern Europeans get to come to London by agreeing to see their kidneys to westerners with money. And of course the operation is done in a hotel roomn under lovely conditions, but they are so desperate they agree. And having come they can't back out as they will be killed.

Well in Lanzarote The Belgium character gives an explicit run down of Belgium and how it has become unlivable. Houellebecq's French character just describes daily life in Paris and what is going on.

The Possibility of an Island takes on immortal cloning of yourself. Which one scientist said a few weeks ago is about 20 years away.

Needless to say France hates him, the muslims would have put out a fatwa when he published Platform but 9-11 happened 2 or 3 weeks after publication date and saved him. He lives in seclusion in Spain. Before that he lived on an island off Ireland.

He has written essays, a book onLovecraft that has so much love in it from one writer to another that it makes you weep. Also thereis How To Live translated from the French by an admirer on the internet. He addresses himself to those of us who are in despair.and I think if DFW had read him and or Lovecraft we might still have him. But his perception was so incredibly acute that he lived in pain. And his mid 90's Infinite Jest is a wonder and a marvel, although long and sometimes dense and difficult but often hilarious with black humor.

Our very best writers are witnessing.

Your questions are so amorphous that I can't even begin to think how to answer them. And thinking about them has been pedantic for me.

I think the cutting edge is away from naturalism, from reality. Our reality shows are like David Lynch scenarios. Absolutely frightening.

Your questions are so amorphous that I can't even begin to think how to answer them. And thinking about them has been pedantic for me.

I think the cutting edge is away from naturalism, from reality. Our reality shows are like David Lynch scenarios. Absolutely frightening.

Jaego,

It is a conspiracy and it is succeeding in every country.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Miscegenation

And I am beside myself with joy at the victory of love over "racial purity"

Jaego,

It is a conspiracy and it is succeeding in every country.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Miscegenation

And, yes, I am beside myself with joy that every day fewer "racially pure" whites exist as our DNA is mixed everywhere. Just as I am pleased that in my family there are no children to carry on my genetic line. Thanks to my vasectomy, my family line ends when I die (very soon now), and that also makes me very happy.

Jaego,

It is a conspiracy and it is succeeding in every country.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Miscegenation

And, yes, I am beside myself with joy that every day fewer "racially pure" whites exist as our DNA is mixed everywhere. Just as I am pleased that in my family there are no children to carry on my genetic line. Thanks to my vasectomy, my family line ends when I die (very soon now), and that also makes me very happy.

What is born must die. --Nisargadatta

And that includes all the races: white, black, etc. All races will eventually die out. It is useless to not accept that truth ... to fight the death of the White race is a futile losing battle.

Racial pride is stupid. Black pride is stupid.

We are just human beings on a short journey on this earth, and will be departing in the blink of an eye. To fight each other, or to form separate nations based on race, or to feel superior to others, is not intelligent behavior.

Creating more division is a waste of the precious time we have been given.

Was it a fender bender, or is it totaled? Americans start the "new peel", and take the Obama stickers off their cars. After eight full years of "W" stickers everywhere, why do the Dems shed the bumper support so soon?
http://www.suburbanempire.com

Caustic essays, critical of our suburban empire....

"God will not be mocked. The militias will reap what they sow."

We {ALL} have sown to the wind and we will reap a whirlwind. Trying to hide from a tornado seems much more prudent than running out to dance with one.

Maybe you should wait until afterwards to condemn them for trying to teach the people about what their government is doing. It is hard to cover your ears and your eyes with only two hands.

"I think the cutting edge is away from naturalism, from reality."

Too bad.

This may be hard for you to think about too. Only Joe B. can spell it out as well as it needs to be.

http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2006/01/revenge_of_the_.html

"...right on up to today with the White folks running the major banks who are stealing BILLIONS of dollars from the taxpayers and giving themselves million dollar bonuses for doing that work."

You need to assimulate the Bageant article {above} too. Especially this part:

“The neocon leadership is right when they tell working white Americans the system has been stacked against them by an unseen hand, though they never mention that their own kids are among the silver spooners rowing around in the Ivy League gravy boat.
I know I’ll get clobbered by Jewish and black critics for pointing this out. But liberal refusal to see white people as also being diverse, and seeing that some of them indeed need their own sort of affirmative action is exactly the kind of thing that helped the neocons lead these working white people buy the nose. Education is everything. You know it and I know it. And what the white working classes don’t know because lack of education has hurt you and me and them.”

You want Whites to die. OK. But you also are happy that you have no children. This sounds like the cult of anti-life to me. That means you are involved with not just two crazy things-Black Power and Liberalism but a third which negates the first two. Usually just the provence of extreme environmental types who dream of the destruction of all human life. I have a gay work friend who talks this way sometimes even though he's not that green. With him and perhaps you, it stems from deep personal unhappiness-in his case an unhappy childhood. Do you want the Human Race-your supposed idol-to become extinct?

Brother Jaego said: "You want Whites to die. OK."

I have said no such thing. I said White privilege is dying and the White race will die, whether I want it or not, as will the Black race. As will everything that is born. That which is born must die. This the the law of nature. My wanting or not wanting is irrelevant.

I don't want anyone to die, in the sense of killing or murdering, or whatever God was talking about in the ten commandments. I see zero difference: the victim ends up dead whether you kill them or murder them. We all must die.

You say this indicates an "anti-life cult" attitude. I say it represents a recognition of the reality that immortality is not possible.

Yeah, apparently half of Washington's men at Valley Forge were Scots-Irish. Senator Webb wrote a good bood about their unaknowledged contribution to American History. And when he got elected, he held up his son's combat boots-an overt criticism of his colleagues, very few of whom have any children in the war. Michael Moore was right about that.

They've never been well treated, but now it's getting ridiculous. As Tom Chittum says in his "Civil War 2", every Empire has a pecking order among its diverse peoples. It's very clear that straight White Men have been slated for the very bottom. They are to be kept down until replaced by minorities. The problem is that these same men are the backbone of the military. As Chittum says, even at this late date, they would hold the balance of power in North America-if they were to awaken as a people.

And Joe is correct, they arev very fierce. Already the Feds are rumbling about the threat of domestic terrorism posed by the trained soldiers coming back from the Middle East. Of course the anwere will not be to get rid of the illegals and give these guys work-but to crack down a la Homeland Security. The replacement of the White Race is very high on the list of priorities.

I thought your question to Abbey was good. Why did the official attitude change from distaste and indifference to outright hostility and genocide? I'd say the huge growth in Jewish influence in the 20th century. They loathe White Peasants. Loathe them. And they know even if the Anglo Elite have forgotten, that without the Peasantry as a base, the White Elite are finished as a People. The Jews dominate Publishing as they do so many other things. Anything positive about rural Whites would never make it through. One of my old favorites, Charles Bukowski, thought the poor urban Whites had alot of soul. But he was a literary Black Sheep and his stuff got published in an underground press. As far as I know, rural Whites haven't had anybody to say anything good about them in a long time. There may well be somebody, but how will we ever hear of him or her? Internet publishing has broken the Jewish blockade, but they still control the mainstream of news and criticism.

There's an ancient parallel. Alexander the Great had begun to turn his back on his own Macedonian and Greek troops. The apple of his eye were the Persians who treated him as a God. His old comrades and the Western Culture of Greece didn't take to such things. And he didn't like that. He had begun to train the young Persians as the center of his army. And the Capital was to be Babylon.

But the resistance to all this wont work unless the Scots Irish unite with their old enemies the Catholics. White urban Catholic men are in much the same boat as they are-despised and rapidly being replaced.

Jaego,
“Anyone who fails to capitalize White but capitalizes Black and Native American is surely heartless.”

Yeah.....that's a big problem alright, just think of the millions of kids who will go to bed hungry tonight because I followed common usage and failed to capitalize, “white culture”.

“We call folks like you "sheeple".

Oh.....I see, “you” are “we” now? So who is this mysterious “WE”? Is that a rather large presumption on your part or simply an example of the furtherest extent of your deluded mind?

As one last example of the absurdity of speaking about “white culture”, and what a ridiculous notion that would be in the United States, consider “white culture” or “Southern American culture”, such as it exists today. Would any discussion of Southern American culture exist without including college football? Hardly, it practically the biggest unifying force in the region. Try to attend a family affair in that area in football season without at least a discussion of the weekend game. How boring would college football be without African Americans? Who would watch?

For that matter, who would care to go to New Orleans for the great food, music, and fan fare of Mardi Gras, without the cultural mixing which created it? Would the beauty of St. Augustine exist without those swarthy folks who helped build it? Can you imagine anyone describing American culture without including Jazz, Blues or R&R? Surely none would exist without the contribution of AA's.

White culture in American is a myth, for the simple reason that whites have never been here alone, and nothing which has arisen, and could be described as white culture, could be separated from the mixing which has occurred. It would be like trying to separate the yoke and the egg white after the two have been beaten.

Jaego, ...You've given us enough information here, that I was able to determine to my satisfaction that you are driven by nothing but your fears and willingness to succumb to those deluded emotional states. You've created the hell you are living in and only you can extricate yourself from it. I applaud your honesty about yourself, to the extent you are conscious of it. I have sympathy and compassion for you, I hope one day you will be able to overcome your delusions. Any further discussion with you might have the unintended consequence of reinforcing those delusions, by suggesting that they merit any discussion at all. Over and out,..... we're done.

Best friend rural Whites have is Barack Obama.

Obama has given more support and funding for jobs to rural whites than all the white nationalist groups together. Obama cares about rural Whites and is listening to them because Obama has a very positive image of rural Whites. Obama wants rural Whites to succeed and prosper. Obama didn't just accept their votes and then forget about rural Whites.

August 2009: "The entire rural tour will provide an opportunity for the Obama Administration to listen to diverse voices throughout rural America, and to highlight its broader vision for growth and prosperity in these regions of the country. All Americans can follow the Rural Tour’s progress online at http://www.RuralTour.gov

KEN

you have every right to doubt any/everything people claim...including my info on chemtrails

and JIM K:

theres now a NASCAR hershey bar!woopeeeeee

black like thee:


krishna
kali
mahakala

Yeah why water the house plants since they're going to die anyway? An old girlfriend of mine used to torture her houspants to death this way. They weren't worth HER time-they were going to die anyway. She would lay in bed thinking about how it wasn't worth doing. I khidr you not.

Mahraj was a Saint, he loved God. You don't. When he said that, it meant one thing, when you say it means something different. Opposite even. As long as you feel separate, you need God. When you don't, you wont. You do, and you do.

Wiki is always to be doubted-it's controlled by the the Enemy. They wont tell you the Truth about the Diary of Ann Frank or Chem Trails. Gimme the link, man, gimme the link. The missing link.

Absolutely brilliant. I have been saying this about some of the people where I now live and have gotten shit on PC speaking allover the place.

Tolerance is our undoing. I have found noway to act positively in my town.

Jaego please go to messianicdruid's link. Crucial.

Absolutely brilliant. I have been saying this about some of the people where I now live and have gotten shit on PC speaking allover the place.

Tolerance is our undoing. I have found noway to act positively in my town.

Jaego please go to messianicdruid's link. Crucial.

Esau has always hated his brother on account of the birthright. But his time of dominion has passed.

"The point is this: if we must focus upon genealogy to find the lost House of Israel, then let us do it with some integrity. The Jews are not Israel either spiritually or physically. The physical Israelites (or ex-Israelites) are to be found among the Caucasian people of Europe and wherever they have spread throughout the world. They were given the name “Caucasian,” because many of them migrated through the Caucasus mountains from Assyria into Europe.

And to some extent, these people have indeed been blessed in many ways, particularly in the fact that the Gospel of Christ spread and took shape in the European nations quite early. This was their key advantage. God saw to it that the Gospel took root there first.

However, having six Bibles for every family does not make us a Christian people. For the most part, this made us “cultural Christians,” to make us feel good about ourselves while we continued to despise the divine law and substitute oppressive Church laws in its place. Only a few throughout history understood that the purpose of election was to empower a people to set creation free {from mortality}. The majority thought election meant the privilege of enslaving others who were not quite so elect."

http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org/ffi/article.cfm?AID=64

"Crucial" I will dispel the "chosen people" objections before they are belched:

There are some who think that if they are Israelites by birth, they will have an inherent right to rule the earth and to destroy all who get in their way. They think they have the God-given right to oppress anyone who is NOT an Israelite by birth. They are mistaken. Jesus said plainly in Matt. 8:11, 12,

"And I say to you, that many shall come from east and west and recline at the table with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven, but the sons of the kingdom shall be cast out into the outer darkness; in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Jesus was commenting upon the faith of the foreign soldier who had come to Him. Jesus said that He had not found such faith in all Israel. No doubt this was a shock to the disciples at that time, for they had not really learned yet that men of other nations were as important to God as the “chosen” of Israel.

abbeysbooks said: "Absolutely brilliant"

I read the whole thing. Which of the two quotes from the piece is brilliant?

"Now that education has been reduced to just another industry, a series of stratified job training mills, ranging from the truck driving schools to the state universities, our nation is no longer capable of creating a truly educated citizenry."

THEN HE DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS HIMSELF WITH THIS:

"Education is everything. You know it and I know it. And what the white working classes don’t know because lack of education has hurt you and me and them. So why in the hell don’t we help this group of people into college..."

I came from a lower middle class public school system and when the draft notice arrived, I simply refused to go. And I am no smarter than the other kids in my class/region.

Instead of bitterly whining about being cannon fodder, stand up for your right not to kill other human beings.

Especially today, when the draft is "economic conscription," not legal conscription, nobody is threatening you with prison for not joining the imperialistic armies of the USA.

Grow a pair for nonviolence and stop whining.

Abbey you're all over the place-I've gone to the link and yeah it's great. It's exactly what I've been hammering away at you for weeks. These are the same Scots-Irish Folks that you live with in the Ozarks-and whom you hate so utterly.

Ok, I'm going to read Hoola Hoocq. You read Jeah Raspail's Camp of the Saints. It wont be in your local bookstore, but neither is the Hocq. Get it the same place you get him. You'll like it-it's very modern type writing even though he was (is?) a very traditional man. And the style is very, very French. Sophisticated, sometimes stream of consciousness, sometimes narration, sometimes realistic dialogue and strong characters.

I've never been a big literature person but I got Coetzee's latest "Disgrace"-good stuff. I'm in the mood for more. White Nationalists are talking about him and you mentioned him too. The Liberal Critics can't actually believe such a good writer actually believes what he seems to believe. I bet he does! Do you feel the exclamation mark has gotten an undully bad rap? Perhaps it has little place in novels-but I like to use it in personal writing. And if a novel wants to feel real, and real people use exclamation marks...

They say we are Esau-because some of us have red hair. And of course, they're always the good guys. I read one Ex-Orthodox Jew said he got yelled at as a boy because he asked was it fair for Esau to lose his birth right. The Rabbi yelled at him saying, "What kind of question is that? Esau was just an animal." Not very nice at all. But this is one of the toughest part of the Bible no matter who is Esau. But Esau is supposed to win his freedom in the end. How does Stone Mountain interpret that?

I've read some of the literature distributed by Kingdom Identity Ministries in Arkansas. Are there any major differences between this group and stuff you always post? The Tuatha De Dannan link was excellent btw. I'm going to go back and read alot more, but it would help to know the general viewpoint.

Just thought I'd weigh on in the black vs. white debate between Dale and Jaego.

Common usage is to lowercase both black and white -- and brown for that matter -- when referring to race. Newspapers don't refer to a "Black" woman talking to a "white" woman. What's good for one is good for all.

If an "African-American" woman talking to a "white" woman, though, that's different, as is a "European-American woman talking to a "black" woman.

People who would capitalize one and not the other do so mistakenly.

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Just saw Capitalism: A love story. Entertaining enough, but I think Moore places too much faith in Obama and the Democrats. Sadly, there were just a handful of people at the showing. Meanwhile, nearby, Couples Retreat was packed.

No wonder this country is like a turd circling the drain.

There'a new alliance forming here: Druid, Abbey, and I. You are out in the cold. Things change very rapidly here-last week you offered me an alliance. The week before that, you threatened to "shank" me. What happened to Quiz Dic I wonder?

I know it's hard for you to accept-but you guys have won-and with that comes responsibility. You can't be the under dogs anymore. And the Truth is that Under Class Whites have it worse than Blacks. There aren't millions of programs set up for them. You all should be careful-some of the Elites are already looking past Blacks for new and more tractable allies-like the Hispanics. Believe it or not, they didn't put you guys above us out of the goodness out of their hearts. They expect some reciprocation on your part. Diana Feinstein for example, never cared for the in your face Blacks of San Francisco. She has always favored the East Asians. And She's covered-as long as someone doesn't favor Whites-they're still a good card carrying liberal/communist.

Jaego said: "you guys have won-and with that comes responsibility. You can't be the under dogs anymore. And the Truth is that Under Class Whites have it worse than Blacks."

We accept the responsibility. We are acting to the benefit of all Americans, not just Blacks.

For example, the Rural Tour to listen to and learn what the rural white working class needs. And we are not just in favor of the white working class that voted for us. We want all whites to have equal benefits.

And when you become a true minority and can demonstrate you have lost your white privilege, we will set up affirmative action programs for you.

You just have to bide your time, boy. Don't be so uppity.

No Whites will never get AA. Only White sentimentality could ever come up with such a monstousity. Silly Whites give and Blacks and Hispanics take. The White Man's Burden which we shold throw down.

Well Mr. Kunstler, I am a regular reader of your blog and I must say that I enjoy your posts immensely. I find them quite well written and normally I tend to agree with your viewpoints. I don't think I have missed any of your posts since I started reading your blog last year. That said, I will say that you are COMPLETELY off the mark here. You don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about in this post. You don't know the first thing about why America went to war with these nations and why it is still at war with them. Such writing exposes an extreme amount of ignorance on your part. If such a well read and independent thinker like you is in such a sorry state, the rest of the country doesn't have a prayer in hell.

"I always believed there was a larger motive for invading Iraq: the strategic need to kick the ass of an Arab nation as an answer to the 9/11 attacks -- regardless of whether Iraq instigated 9/ll or not."

Bravo for saying that! Now - can we agree that Hitler had a similar crying strategic need to kick some ass in retribution for the humiliation suffered in WWI and the Versailles treaty! It wasn't personal - it was strategic! The fact that Hitler picked on an innocent group of people to rain death and destruction down upon is really quite irrelevant to the need. I'm glad that in our post 9/11 consciousness more Americans like Jim can appreciate this kind of logic.

Anybody, but ANYBODY who thinks our government has lied to the American public or to the duly appointed 9/11 commission is Certified Loony Wacko Crazy! (Fingers in ears..) Nah nah nah nah -I can't hear what you say- nah nah!

Someone said way back at the beginning of the comments:

"Can you remember back to the first months of the Bush administrations first term? Back to the 'Cheney Energy Task Force?' Bechtel, Chevron, Halliburton, Exxon, all of the largest oil companies and all of the largest oil engineering companies met. They agreed that they needed to increase their access to Middle Eastern oil.

“'Iraq possesses huge reserves of oil and gas, reserves I would love Chevron to have access to.' Ken Derr, the former C.E.O. of Chevron."

Not only that, but in the late 90s it was documented in several reputable and semi-reputable media outlets that Unocal was wining and dining the Taliban to gain the rights to build a pipeline across Afghanistan as a conduit for oil under the Caspian Sea. I read some of these stories *as they were unfolding,* and remember them very well.

Give me a break--don't tell me the oilmen dominating the White House in 2001 didn't recognize a golden opportunity when they saw one. On top of that I wouldn't put it beyond them to have known the 9/11 attacks were coming but chose not to do anything to prevent them. I don't know from explosives or anything like that, but I do know the Bush family has long experience hobnobbing with tyrants and those who aspire to tyranny, from Prescott on down the line. That's not even getting into whatever skeletons might be in the Cheney family closet, etc.

Also, while I concede giving the Arab world an ass-kicking was certainly driving the rank and file of the U.S. military who went over to Iraq to fight an essentially illegal war, and they probably wanted to kick ass in Afghanistan in retaliation before that (even then we understood that al Qaeda was using Afghanistan as a home base), might I point out that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia deliberately maintains a weak military force rather than risking that the royal family might be deposed by Wahabis in a power grab?

In a nutshell, it's like this: We could have taken them over in no time flat. We could have been running the country by Christmas time, and we would have been punishing the actual ethnic group responsible for the attacks (the vast majority of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudi). I mean, an Arab is not an Arab is not an Arab--there's wide variation within the ethnicity. Sub-ethnicities, if you will. Yeah, I know there would have been a huge uproar at us conquering the homeland of Mecca and Medina... but that's kind of the point. Us taking over Iraq came across more as a "Oh no, there they go again." We've more irritated the Arab world than anything. If you think that was effective, great, but I don't see how. Many of them were *glad* to see Saddam gone. Many Saudi women would have been thrilled to gain the right to drive; many Saudi men would have felt relief at not having the religious police breathing down their necks. So there were humanitarian reasons to go as well.

So why didn't we hit Saudi? I'd love to get the top dogs from that time period all into a little windowless room together and ask them all that question. On sodium pentothal.


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