Wobble Time


     The cat coming out of the bag this week -- a frazzled, flaming, rabid, death-dealing cat -- is the news that Goldman Sachs will announce impressive second-quarter profits, and set aside $18 billion or so for employee bonuses averaging $600,000 per head (though, of course, not evenly distributed among them).  There probably are not fifty-three people in the USA who can explain how this development figures in with last fall's bailout gift from the US treasury, or the $13 billion GS received on the backside of US gift payments to the failed AIG insurance company, plus the reams of necrotic securitized debt paper rotting in the back of the GS vaults. This is a company playing with the fire of world history.
     It brings back the question, which has loomed dimly at the margins of America's collective consciousness, as to whether we can get through the long emergency ahead without going through a wringer of domestic political convulsion. At this rate, sooner or later, anything identified with wealth could become a target for the wrath of the unemployed and foreclosed. The first rock that flies through an East Hampton window, or the first firebomb tossed into the lobby of Goldman Sachs Manhattan headquarters could ignite a chain of events that shoves all economic policy out of the political arena and quickly divides everyone at the center of power into armies out for blood. 
     What the nation -- including President Obama -- can't seem to get through its head is that the USA has entered a period of epochal economic contraction.  Instead of growth, as measured in conventional econometrics, we can only expect (in the best case) transformation to a different economy within the limits of real contraction. The president has got to stop promising renewed growth.  While this would affect the perceived "standard-of-living" as measured in things like shopping mall sales and vehicle miles driven, it would not necessarily mean diminished "quality-of-life."  It would mean different ways-of-life for a lot of people -- for instance, young adults who had expected lifetime employment as corporate executives but who, instead, find themselves ten years from now working at farming. We have an awful lot to get real about.
      A genuine reorganization of the US economy seems beyond the ken not just of all US politicians but of the entire US news media and business leadership. A wonderful example last week was the idiotic press conference by General Motors marketing chief, Bob Lutz, who thinks he can revive the American Dream with electric cars. (By the way, this is pretty much the same thinking I encountered at the Aspen Environmental Forum among the Green celebrities.)
     From a purely practical standpoint, the electric car is absurd.  If they were produced on a mass basis, they would crash the electric grid -- assuming that the masses could afford to buy them, which assumes a lot. We simply don't have the electric generating capacity to run even one-quarter of the current car fleet on volts, and building the necessary nuclear or coal-fired power plants in five years is also an absurdity. (Don't expect wind, solar, biomass, or anything else to pick up the slack.) If electric cars were produced as just a niche product for the elite (e.g. Goldman Sachs employees), they would soon provoke the resentment of the non-elite left to the mercy of the oil markets.
     Anyway, America's motoring dilemma has gone beyond the issue of how we power the cars -- and even beyond the insanity of blindly maintaining our extreme car dependency per se.  The continuation of Happy Motoring now hinges on two other big quandaries: 1. the likelihood that there will be far less capital available for car loans, and 2.) the likelihood that there will be far less government money for road maintenance. The problem of Peak Oil -- and the prospect of price-jackings and shortages -- is just the cherry on top.
     By the way, for practical purposes Bob Lutz of GM is an employee of the US taxpayers now, since the US owns 60 percent of the "new" General Motors, so he must be considered a spokesman for national policy. Since a transformation of the US car fleet to electric vehicles is absurd, what would be an appropriate response to profound economic contraction? How about walkable communities connected by public transit?  Why is that not a focus of the "new" General Motors?  In 1941 the company made the transformation from cars to armaments in a matter of months; why can't it produce the rolling stock for a renewed passenger rail system?  Or trams?  Is this not enough of a crisis? The answer is that there is no leadership in this direction. If President Obama declared this to be a policy objective, and stuck to it for more than one business day, he could drag the sleepwalking American public in this direction, and the rest of national leadership in government, business, and media with it.
     This kind of thing is what prompts casual observers to wonder if the president is a cynical shill for business as usual, or a victim of the worst conventional thinking with no real vision, or just another clueless sleepwalking bozo with a charming veneer.
      In circles that pass for "progressive" these days, the natives are getting restless. Their agitation seems pretty inchoate for the moment -- still resting on vague, poorly-defined wishes for "change."  These vague promptings need to be focused on specific action that is realistic within the context of comprehensive contraction and transformation.  A big piece of this would be the recognition that our suburban sprawl economy is dying, and that we now have to bend our efforts to reorganizing American life on the most fundamental physical terms.  We have to inhabit the landscape differently, move around it differently, generate food out of it differently, and make things on it again.  Whatever remaining real capital there is in the system can't be squandered on cash bonuses for Wall Street employees.
       I'm not ready to capitulate to cynicism. There is something in the political wind this summer. I think events will force Mr. Obama to assert some real leadership and take the national debate on our predicament in another direction, even if it is an uncomfortable direction for him and everybody else. Despite the massive disappointment being expressed by so many Obama voters these days, I believe the president will redeem himself before long.
     Attorney General Eric Holder announced over the weekend that he will commence an investigation into the Bush regime's misconduct with terrorism suspects.  His department is capable of running more than one investigation at a time. Why doesn't President Obama direct him to open an investigation of Goldman Sachs's behavior in the area of securities fraud, insider trading, and misuse of goverment funds?  Without an official inquiry into financial misconduct of this company, and others, I believe public anger will overwhelm any attempts to transform our contracting economy and the president's ability to manage it.

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JHK,
Seriously, you haven't capitulated to cynicism? OK...if you say so, but you've had me fooled for a few years now. Frankly, I thought that was a big part of your charm.

I can't really disagree with much of what you have said recently. I thought you might mention Reich's comments in the NYT's about the “return” of the economy, that was one of the most honest commentaries I've read lately. Obama has been a major disappointment thus far in speaking the truth to the American people, such a major opportunity for real change lost, I doubt that he can really escape being seen as just another Clinton now.

"I think events will force Mr. Obama to assert some real leadership and take the national debate on our predicament in another direction, even if it is an uncomfortable direction for him and everybody else."

From your lips to God's ear, eh? Given the current state of our journalistic media, it's hard to imagine Obama laying such a bummer on the masses. Because, of course, the media would not "report" this event in the traditional terms, but would instead set forth on a journey of spin, vitriol, and wankery, all to provide fuel to the 24/7 cable news machine. While the Goldman Sachs Boyz make convenient targets, we'd be much better served by an uprising devoted to remaking the media. They are the preventers of discussion, the preventers of information, and are seemingly dedicated to making the citizenry dumb and compliant.

How to accomplish this? How to bring down what is, in the words of Howard Beale, "the most awesome goddamn propaganda machine in the whole godless world"? Hell if I know.....

I too have seen the politically correct enlightened progressive people go on about their consumption lifestyles with that “wishful thinking” glazed over look. When I rain on their parade with a few realistic facts they type cast me as a pessimistic doomer. “Can’t you just enjoy life?” they say. Well, I do enjoy life - very much - and I hope to continue “life” far after most do not...

-strive for a sustainable lifestyle

First off, I don't think they use the dictionary definition of the word "growth." It seems to be that they use it as a shorthand for people getting back to work, primarily… or at least out of their own economic crunch. Remember, a recession is when your neighbors are unemployed, and a depression is when you're unemployed. A "transformation" for Joe Sixpack is just as good as growth, as long as it means he can make the mortgage/rent, keep the lights on, and put food on the table. As for riots directed against the rich… I'll believe it when it happens. They own the airwaves and are masters of misdirection. It's more likely that scary brown people or "alternate lifestyles" will be the scapegoat of choice.

Good idea about investigating Golden Sacks. Or publicly demand the bailout money back, which will play quite well on Main Street, then slap a 99% windfall profits tax on the SOBs when they refuse (which will play even better on Main Street).

I agree with you that President Obama will, as you put it, "redeem himself." But as I said last week, he can't level with the people until the people are ready to be leveled with.

In the FAR Future of 2044, all of this is history gone by. In Episode 96, a history student asks Future FARf about some of it.

It's looking like GS was given more than enough rope to hang itself.

We need a scapegoat maybe they are setting themselves up to be it!

Jim, I don't perceive much anger among the so-called "masses" against "wealth" per se, and I have daily contact with members of most socio-economic groups ranging from the moderately wealthy customers of our firm to the street poor and ghetto inhabitants I encounter in neighborhoods I travel through.

However, people are in a state of FLAMING rage at Obama, Geithner and Sumners for effectively turning the treasury over to Goldman Sachs. Yes, that's all our government is these days: a conduit between the American taxpayer and the coffers of GS. Listen, Jim, I have watched two wealthy men (friends of a friend) take huge baths. One is forced to go back to work- that's one more person competing for scarce jobs. The other has lost his manufacturing facility AND the house he borrowed against to keep it and about 500 jobs going. Believe me, it gives the common folk out here no pleasure to see the sources of their jobs and incomes die, or to watch a man who worked his entire life and built a manufacturing business from scratch lose everything he has at retirement age. That is what is happening to millions of people out here on every level from the (formerly) wealthy through every level down to minimum wage workers.

Don't count on Obama for anything, least of all the kind of leadership we need at this moment. Not only has he acquiesced to the very financial interests who created this debacle, he is blowing every chance we have to rebuild our economy on a new template and develop the technologies and systems we will need, such as high-speed rail. Obama's high speed rail plan calls for many more billions than necessary spent on lines that will take many more years to construct or upgrade, while our government stalls and obstructs companies that could actually build a highly advanced electric-powered rail system and operate it at a profit.

Obama does not perceive that when his lame economic plan blows up in his face and leaves the country absolutely destitute and non-functional, it will not be Goldman that takes the blame, it will be Obama and Co.

It scares me to think of who will replace him in 2012.

Jim must think we're a nation of lefties just itching to storm the ramparts of concentrated wealth on Wall Street and its playgrounds.

No.

We're a nation of narcotized Homer Simpsons much more likely to burn down an abortion clinic than a hedge-fund manager's McMansion. We've been instructed for 30 years now that the problem is government giving money away to poor (read: black) people and only "free enterprise" will restore the proper order of things.

Obama is president of this bedlam. If he were to instruct people on some "reordering" of our built environment and its accessories, he'd be skewered by every pundit and pol this side of Dennis Kucinich. Aside from a few small ponds of new-urbanist/green consciousness, there's no political movement behind Jim's daydream.

Jim is spot on about the hallucinatory delusions at the core of this republic. But the violence that's brewing is much more about revenge about the designated scapegoats (liberals!) than the feckless rich. People love the rich. That's why we're in this mess today.

I am amazed (on at least a quarterly basis) as to how Goldman gets away with it. Really....I mean REALLY???

Given how apathetic most of the public is, I think we may skip right over 'Anger' in the stages of grief and move swiftly to acceptance.
At least that would have the benefit of sparing some violence.

"Paranoia", by Green Day
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I had visions, I was in them
I was looking into the mirror
To see a little bit clearer
The rottenness and evil in me.

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The words are different than those above in the recording. This is the group whose singer evinces the sound of a person whose beak is full of a drug he has snorted and is now stuffed up. "Green" is used in the group's name, I suppose to evoke that of St. Patrick's Day. The lyric is composed in order to say, "I was looking into the mirror, to see a little bit clearer, the rocks in this."

I do not wish to disinclude myself. "We", as Americans, have come to trust more the rocks to represent the illegal crystalline material as it was before passing through the grubby hands of the one who supplies it to us, our "connection" to the source; what we live for, and the "shake", or the powder surrounding the rocks, as the "duff". you can also say "buff", as in Bufferin (R); notice as we cheat ourselves by cutting the drug, maybe we are buffering out the harsh acidy sensation.

Only by education will we stop the drug menace. So, I am educating you how to make it.

http://sbillinghurst.wordpress.com/

HOW TO MAKE METHAMPHETAMINE

"I'm not ready to capitulate to cynicism. There is something in the political wind this summer. I think events will force Mr. Obama to assert some real leadership and take the national debate on our predicament in another direction, even if it is an uncomfortable direction for him and everybody else. Despite the massive disappointment being expressed by so many Obama voters these days, I believe the president will redeem himself before long."

To quote Aerosmith, Dream On!

What is it going to take for you to accept reality JHK?

"This kind of thing is what prompts casual observers to wonder if the president is a cynical shill for business as usual, or a victim of the worst conventional thinking with no real vision, or just another clueless sleepwalking bozo with a charming veneer."

The cold, hard, indifferent and blatantly obvious truth is that Status Quobama is all-of-the-above (any reasonable person who has researched his background and record cannot help but see this, which is one of the many reasons I didn't vote for the creep)!

It's ironic that your denial is analogous to the denial you rail against week-after-week, month-after-month.

And while I agree a backlash is brewing, it will never be aimed at the right targets (no pun intended). You're giving the public too much credit as they do not understand--nor are they willing to understand--the current and future dynamics of living on a finite planet.

Our most fundamental, modern, culturally religious belief is The Myth of Infinite Growth on a Finite Planet.

We are going to forge ahead with this mindset no matter what: period.

Even when things really begin to fall apart and stop functioning--reality will never be acknowledged en masse.

What passes for The Left will blame The Right for not getting with The (techno-fix) Green agenda. The Right will blame what passes for The Left for not lowering taxes and letting "The (fictional) Free Market" run amok via the (literally) invisible Hand of God. Not to mention all the whack-job, "nine-eleven-was-an-inside-job", "North-American-Union", NWO-ZOG-Illuminati-clade conspiradroids who will blame all manner of nonexistent omnipotent and omniscient entities.

Regardless, I look forward to the day when reality pierces the bubble of JHK's Status Quobama consensus trance.

It will no doubt mark a fiercely musical rant for the ages!

I just don't understand how anybody can think that a president can change, within a few months, decades worth of economic policies.

Wake up. Any self-respecting politician will NEVER tell its people to run for the hills.

If Obama has vision, he will give rope to all the trouble makers and wait for them to hang themselves.

Maybe I'm just as naive as everyone else but something tells these financial people are addicted to their delusions of self-importance. I really think they will not know when to stop and will end up being masters of their own demise.

The GS 'Bonesmen' are preparing for the end game. Since the planet can't sustain 6+ billion people, it... wont. These folks are preparing to ride out the storm. They will live in their walled enclaves for a generation or two, guarded by their ( now ) well trained mercenaries. The plan is to remain at the top of the heap, and a smaller heap IS the plan. Not sure what to do about it, other than to be elsewhere. If a fortuitous opportunity presents itself to exact a little revenge, it might feel good - a small measure of justice, but I doubt the big picture would be much altered. Keeping a low profile is probably a good idea. Learn to live with less.

"People love the rich. That's why we're in this mess today." Walt nails it. In what has to be the greatest marketing triumph in history, the GOP succeeded in convincing Joe Six Pack that the rich are his friends and the Gummint is his enemy.

Nice article in recent edition of Rolling Stone about GS. Also -- check out bio of Rahm Imanuel, Obama's Chief of Staff on Wikipedia. Seems that he skipped over to Wall Street for a couple of years (this guy is a lawyer from Chicago -- not, as far as I can make out, a career investment banker from NY) and picked up a cool $16.5 million for his trouble. He was also a director of Freddie Mac in the first part of this decade. And now Rahmbo controls access to your president. Another bit of good reading - an article in Atlantic entitled "The Silent Coup" about how Washington has been in the pocket of Wall Street for years.

Maybe Obama's not talking about walkable communities, but his Sec'y of Transportation, Ray LaHood sure is. We can plausibly assume that's the position of the administration. Seems like too little too late though. I'm hard pressed to figure out how they're going to accomplish that. It took 80 years of automobile dominance and skewed land-use policies to get us where we are now. And that was within a landscape that was largely a "blank canvas" so to speak. Figure it'll have to take at least that long to effect any meaningful change now, particularly since the landscape is now crowded and infested with Wal-Marts.

Do you really think we live in a Democracy? Anyone who was thought to be a real threat to the status quo would never be elected - there would be no money or corporate media support.

I suppose it's possible that Obama has some plan to work as 'the inside man', but a head on attack would be suicide, politically, possible literally.

The Democrats kiss us first, and use lube. The Republicans just pin you down and have their way. Not sure how much 'Change' that is, but if those are my only choices, I guess I know which one I'd choose...

Not for the first time, Mr. Kunstler points in the direction of sustainable transformation - the direction of COHOUSING COMMUNITIES and ECOVILLAGES. With almost 200 such communities already nationwide -- the nearest to Mr. Kuntsler would be Ecovillage at Ithaca -- the trend to transformation is growing, and powerful. May I make bold and suggest to him that he take a spin out to Ithaca and have a look? His readership would, I am sure, welcome his comments.

Meanwhile, our own project, the UTAH VALLEY COMMONS, continues to develop. We nearly have our 50 acres under contract, with the county approvals (we hope) soon to follow. The Commons is a cohousing ecovillage, with a plan to create 36 strawbale houses powered mostly by solar. Our food will be grown on site. All waste will be treated on site. The houses will be heated and cooled by a closed-loop geothermal system.

Check us out at www.utahvalleycommons.com and/or join our Yahoo discussion site. The UVCC has no religious or political affiliation, and welcomes anyone with an interest in sustainbility and community.

Charles W. Nuckolls
Professor, Department of Anthropology,
Brigham Young University

"Why doesn't President Obama direct him to open an investigation of Goldman Sachs's behavior in the area of securities fraud, insider trading, and misuse of goverment funds?"

Because Obama is OWNED by the Banksters, that's why. You gonna bite the hand that feeds you?

"People love the rich. That's why we're in this mess today." Walt nails it
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Long periods of love for rich and tipping points throughout history where the rich get eliminated due to excess:

-Louis XVI and Marie-Antoinette
-Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria
-Fall of Roman empire thanks to Barbarians
-etc

"The first rock that flies through an East Hampton window, or the first firebomb tossed into the lobby of Goldman Sachs Manhattan headquarters could ignite a chain of events that shoves all economic policy out of the political arena and quickly divides everyone at the center of power into armies out for blood."

Really? I just do not see this happening. See, I live in Southern California which is taking an incredible beating right now. Even though our State is now paying for its services with IOU's and the true unemployment rate is approaching 20% and home values have fallen off a cliff, people here are still going about as if nothing is wrong. The only "anger" I see here is from a small vocal minority that blames the illegal immigrants for the state's problems and the only reason they are angry is because they are continuously prodded by right wing talk radio.

Furthermore, many of the Golden State's residents are not educated well enough to even understand Peak Oil, FIAT Currency or what it means that the dollar is the world's reserve currency and what would happen the very second it ceased to be so. They want their Bread and Circus and will happily sit back and watch the show.

My father, a retired US Army NCO broke it down for me when I was a child. "No country on this planet is more than 3 meals away from a revolution. If that should ever happen here you must pick a side - soldiers get fed, civilians do not." We wont see any kind of action in this country until the majority of people begin to go hungry and then you'll see wealth attacked by the mob but not a moment before regardless of how much the elite pay themselves in bonuses.


As Jim continues to beat the drum for transformation car sales continue to grow in China and stagnate in the USA -- car dealers in China have outsold the US dealers each month this year, whereas four years ago the US dealers were selling three times their brethren in China.

At the same time the State politicians in California and Illinois and other places have huge budget deficits that will have to be dealt with soon, without the political will or knowledge on how to deal with them.

Then you have a president who though apparently a good chap, decent athelete and knowledgeable about many things, appears to be fairly clueless regarding economics and the need for "creative destruction".

Meanwhile unemployment in Michigan in May has exceeded 14% and the service sector which was formerly amply supported by the manufacturing sector, is just at the beginning of its unwinding process.

It would be hopeful if some politician somewhere in the USA would be suggesting some practical moves, such as Jim is espousing, but apparently not a single one is!

Looks like their is an opportunity for someone to take some leadership on these issues.


"Since a transformation of the US car fleet to electric vehicles is absurd, what would be an appropriate response to profound economic contraction? How about walkable communities connected by public transit? Why is that not a focus of the "new" General Motors? In 1941 the company made the transformation from cars to armaments in a matter of months; why can't it produce the rolling stock for a renewed passenger rail system? Or trams? Is this not enough of a crisis? The answer is that there is no leadership in this direction."
Minor quibble: There wasn't much time in 1941 after December 7 to make the transition from peace to war production. Medium quibble: There were far more people with first-hand experience building locomotives & rolling stock in the forties. Even if GM wanted to do this, it would mean reinventing the technology at a time when the company is being pressured to show a profit ASAP. It's not promising. Major quibble: None. The diagnosis is basically spot on. The impetus is not even so much to make cars, but make money. This is what people across the spectrum consistently miss, and again JHK has this right.

Don't look to an existing industrial hulk for change. IF it happens, it will be a middle-sized company with some existing tram knowledge (google "Van Hool") or a relatively small industrial concern with the desire to relearn old skills, possibly innovate, and most importantly, actually be committed to building a usable product (google "Oregon Iron Works').

What about small electric cars for the large metropolitan area's? Those areas could do with little less smog. I agree with you on the light-rail and high-speed rail. However, there are enough people to work on both.

Therefore, you should gradually (there is no other way) transform certain industries, e.g. car, coal, oil into their electric equivalent.

Why? People needs jobs.

After; A) massively insulating buildings B) introducing DESERTEC and FEED-IN-TARIFFS C) the USA needs to transform its traditional industries to provide jobs.

"...why can't it produce the rolling stock for a renewed passenger rail system?"


Good lord, enough of this too-too twaddle. No one is currently in need of rail transport. This is no different than those who are clamoring for wind power, for crying out loud. When it gets too difficult for a sufficient number of those currently getting around by car, to get around by car, there will be alternative means offered (trains, pogo sticks, etc.). Ditto alternative energies.

There is currently, no shortage of manufacturers able to produce passenger cars. GM need not apply. You seem to keep insisting that the government "hurry up and do something". They have already done quite enough. And quite poorly at that.

Walt and Montysano said: "'People love the rich. That's why we're in this mess today.' Walt nails it. In what has to be the greatest marketing triumph in history, the GOP succeeded in convincing Joe Six Pack that the rich are his friends and the Gummint is his enemy."

I can add to that. Though I've posted under a pseudonym for the purposes of this particular post today, a few here might recall me as a CFN poster that works in a residential treatment center for adolescent boys. Our school and facility is blessed with large campus of fields and woodlands here that had been sitting largely unused. On it, I've been restoring gardens, orchards and fields in the hopes of getting the kids out in the community to do a mini-CSA. (There hasn't been a lot of success with this as most of the staff and kids would rather make 3 trips to various malls every day rather than get outside, but I'll save that for another time.) Anyhow, every spring about two dozen Goldman Sachs employees from the regional branch office volunteer at our place, painting, mulching flower beds, mowing, and so on - basically helping our facilities people get a bit caught up. It's always funny to overhear the GS employees' conversations about trading and work, their houses, etc., as it goes right over the heads of the residential care staff working along side them for the day. But, it didn't go over my head. (I've traded some myself.) Nor did I lose sight of the fact that most of those GS volunteers (there were a bunch of young, hotshot traders here this year) probably are about to receive bonuses that could be a few *multiples* of the typical residential employee's yearly salary - social workers' salaries that are being taxed to fund the very AIG-GS bailout that enabled those GS bonuses to begin with.

I mentioned all this to a few of my coworkers, but it was clear that they didn't begrudge the GS folks any of their bonus money. It seemed obvious to me, to borrow a phrase from JHK, that such matters are beyond the ken of my co-workers' understanding. The GS volunteer visit, while "nice" for sprucing up the kids' environment, is worth far more in soothing the opinion the "masses" such that my coworkers have about the rich than it is in employee time lost to GS for that particular day.

Obama can't level with us because we aren't ready? Totally brilliant statement. When asked at the AMA convention by a neurosurgeon if he'd use the garden variety medical insurance plan that commoners would get, he hedged and failed to answer the goddam question. This Obama cat is not here to answer questions. Look at Robert Gibbs. When does he answer questions, if at all? Right...never.
Obama will redeem himself? What does this mean? Does it mean his bullcrap so far will be replaced by gold plated prosperity?
Obama appointed Holder. Obama can't control Holder's agenda? Who really believes Holder is acting totally independently?
Obama is a control freak. He wants everything done his way because he knows....everything.

Yeah, we're not ready to listen to the truth, though, are we? Ready or not, we aren't getting the truth anyway. The only thing bigger than Obama's ego is the infatuation some people still have for this guy.

It would be somewhat refreshing to believe that the masses will actually "get it", demand accountability, protest(even if that means missing American Idol on the tube or something) but it doesn't seem too likely to me at present. I think that what is going on is a combination of apathy and our tendency to not necessarily pin the blame on the correct party. I am seeing people getting laid off just a month or two before they would be retiring with a full pension, all sorts of plant and store closings- with no jobs to replace those that are lost. I don't see a whole lot of protest though;it almost seems as if people just sort of accept that this is the way it is. Many people around here still have their jobs; the teachers, nurses, doctors and such so it is often those who were factory or retail workers or such who have been laid off and they don't tend to voice much of an opinion it seems.

I don't forsee the masses rising up and throwing rocks thru the windows in the Hamptons anytime soon either; much more likely they will pin the blame on everyone from the elderly social security/medicare recipients, immigrants, people of color, single mothers, poor people, whomever, but not the filthy rich who have siphoned off untold billions(trillions?). Why this is I don't know- perhaps it's easier to cast stones at those who seem unable to fight back? Or maybe we have somehow come to believe that rich people are rich because they somehow deserve it and who are we to argue with that?

As for Obama and staff- gotta admit I had hoped for more; I don't know if he is just constrained by the realities of the office and Congress or what. I still do believe that he gets it- but that may not be enough to carry out real change.

I for one am losing any hope that we are going to carry out constructive change.

It's impossible to investigate Goldman Sachs. To do so, the government would essentially have to investigate itself, since GS owns the government, prosecutors, judges. It would take years and years for anyone to get prosecuted, and then it would only result in slaps on wrists.

It seems to me, the only way to get true justice and true reform in America is through armed struggle and/or revolution. Either that, or wait for the dollar to inflate into nothing whereby everyone would be equally poor.

Both options are intriguing, yet terrifying.

Doom,
Can extinction occur? Of course!, ultimately it almost certainly will. You don't have to convince me of that, I'm a Buddhist. I suspect that through meditation I have a better grip on the true meaning of impermanence than you. After all, in spite of the fact you know intellectually you're going to die, you still walk around every day imaging you'll be here tomorrow, next year, ten years from now. Like most of us, you really behave on a day to day basis, as if you are immortal. Don't worry, you'll get your own personal chance at extinction soon enough.

I was, of course, speaking of extinction in a more timely sense...... in your lifetime, your kids lifetime and probably their kids lifetime......people will almost certainly still be here. When people go, it won't be because they “ran out of gas”, at least in the literal sense.

In honor of Peak Oil making a couple of cameos in your essay, when it wasn't being the elephant in the room, I going to point out that we passed an important anniversary over the weekend. From The Oil Drum:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/5555

Peak Oil Day - July 11

"On July 11, 2008, the price of a barrel of oil hit a record $147.27 in daily trading. That same month, world crude oil production achieved a record 74.8 million barrels per day."

A belated Peak Oil Day to all.

Also, check out your neighbor Elaine Meinel Supkis's post.

http://emsnews.wordpress.com/2009/07/09/repaving-us-roads-will-not-restore-us-economy/

She seems to agree with you that roadwork is a waste and a distraction from efforts that would really fix the economy.

Finally, I like the Moveable Type format for handling comments. It's much more tractable than the old system.

"I for one am losing any hope that we are going to carry out constructive change."

I don't get your sentiment. Businesses are laying off? Why? Because business is off, sales are down. Why? Because people realize they got a little loopy. They bought a lot of shit that they didn't need, so, they have changed their consumptive habits.

The shake-out is underway. People's expectations have been lowered. Is this a bad thing? People are re-prioritizing what truly matters. In order to get through this process there will be suffering. But it is a process that must take place. The problem to date is that politicians don't want to claim captaincy on the US Titanic. They are doing everything they can to interrupt a process that must happen for things to improve. They will only succeed in making the problem worse in both its negative economic impact and its duration.

And Timmuh G is off to Saudi Arabia to reassure the Saudis that our debt is still good.

Same as it ever was! S'all good! Party on Dude!

And GS needs to "retain" their top talent with the bonuses. Like there aren't hundreds if not thousands of unemployed financial whiz kids wandering around in NYC in a daze.

Our Savior Obama is a servant of Empire (the military-industrial complex and its empire of more than 750 military bases established on foreign soil throughout the world). This, he has demonstrated with the three illegal and immoral wars he is conducting (Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan), the budget he allocated to the military (which contributes to ruining the country), and the way in which he caters to the corporate and financial interests. He has also shown himself repeatedly to be a liar, a deceiver, a demagogue, a manipulator, and a spineless placator of the elites. Anyone who still expects substantive and redemptive change from this man is in a state of severe self-deception and generalized denial. I am afraid that as of today that set of people includes James Kunstler, whom I admire and respect and from whom I have learnt much ("The Long Emergency" was and remains a very important book for me), but with whom I must, today, respectfully disagree.

Forget about Obama and Congress altogether. Let's make change at the local level and in our respective commnunities. Waiting for change to take place at the federal level is suicidal. People must take their fate in their own hands and that means at their manageable level.




Jim,

My take is that the Obama administration is taking yet another page out of the Bush administration, (in addition to escalating military budgets, wars, corporatism ... ...) and that is, governing by press release.

My intuition tells me that Holder's recent announcement about continuing investigations of the Bush torture abuses is made just for appearances. The domestic wiretapping program just made news, so the White House and Congress need to appear to do something and divert attention from that little doozy.

The problem is that many powerful Democrats, (one could argue any gov. official who voted for and supports the wars), are just as guilty in the war crimes. It came out that Nancy Pelosi and other high ranking Democrats were aware of the torture practices for years.

There is also the question of why in the face of last week's announcement of the scope of the domestic surveillance program being far more colossal than originally thought, that the Justice Department would rather address the torture issue. It all comes down to Obama's record as a Senator. You see, he said he was against domestic spying and was opposed to giving legal immunity to the telecom companies for performing the illegal, warrantless wiretapping.

However, once the "progressive/liberals", gave him the nod over Hillary, largely based on his supposed anti-war and pro-civil liberties policies, he immediately became party to the crime. He voted to give the telco's, "retroactive immunity", which effectively killed the many lawsuits against the telco's for violating of our legal rights to privacy, and then accepted the nomination at the AT&T sponsored DNC.

Therefore, Obama is just another stooge of the fascist oligarchy. A stooge who is guilty of aiding and abetting these crimes. Furthermore, you can see from his earliest appointments that he is rewarding the machine that brought him to power. A true investigation into war crimes would implicate members of his machine, namely the Democratic Party.

There will never be a true and thorough investigation of the war crimes and violations of our civil liberties. Not unless it is performed by a government that is massively reformed by an orderly citizen renaissance in the 2010 Congressional elections.

As for the investigation into Goldman Sachs. There is an effort that effectively amounts to that. It is Ron Paul's resolution to audit the Federal Reserve - H.R. 1207. The original amendment is very powerful and calls for a complete and public audit of the Fed. That audit would reveal a lot: how much money has been printed; who the money went to in the bailout; what garbage was dumped onto whom during the bailout; the decades of activities that distort the market and rob the wealth of our citizenry in collusion with Wall St. and powerful Congressional figures.

From the Obama administration, don't expect any more substantive investigations than we got from Gonzales and the Bush admin. Why would you investigate yourself and your cronies? It just won't happen. They will be less brazen and intransigent than Bush/Cheney/Gonzo, which is I think now, what the American people want out of Obama. I think they really don't care about the policies, just act a little nicer and seem a bit more intelligent and you can continue doing whatever you want. In fact, they'll even make excuses for his shortcomings, in exchange for having a Happy Dad at the head of the house.

We are just going to see the same lurching, reactive dog and pony show we always see from our corrupt leaders. This week an announcement that they'll investigate torture. Next week, invocation of state secrets privileges to block investigations or stonewall criminal proceedings in courts of law. That is what we have seen so far from Obama and Holder.

The best chance we have to investigate the Goldman crime syndicate is to get Congressional leadership to pass the ORIGINAL H.R. 1207. This is critical because some Republicans and Democrats have already sought to water it down with amendments. There are now 250+ signatories in the House of Reps. Pelosi and other Democratic committee chairs can stonewall it in committee. Call your reps today and tell them they won't be re-elected in 2010 if this bill isn't passed. I guarantee you will see some of the change you've been looking for if that happens.

As for the people who villainize "The Rich", that is as silly as villainizing "The Poor." Good luck rebuilding a nation without capital provided by honest, prudent, disciplined and diligent wealthy people willing to risk their capital. It is just as impossible as making poor people, whose primary source of impoverishment is their mental poverty and lack of self esteem, rich.

I find it difficult to take the economy or money or anything else seriously when Nature is so very beautiful every single day. I've had four close encounters with dolphins over the last three days ...

http://www.flickr.com/dmathew1

Civilization will collapse of its own accord and technological civilization will end and humans for lose everything and all will be well.

Humans have demonstrated conclusively that our species is the very worst at managing a living planet and governing its own destiny. Let it end.

In John Kenneth Galbraith's account of the Great Depression titled The Great Crash, he devotes a chapter to the role of Goldman Sachs then. If you Google The Great American Bubble Machine you will find an engaging look at Goldman Sachs in a long essay, well worth reading.

Ruling elites spend tens of billions annually on advertising and PR to sucessfully, so far, keep most people entranced by their weapons of mass distraction. Witness the vast show-biz spectacle of Michael Jackson's death and memorial service, carried worldwide via TV and internet to tens of millions of the eagerly distracted. Not for nothing did one of the founders and masters of modern PR, Edward Bernays, write of the "necessary manipulation of the mass public mind". What will it take for distracted/mainpulated consumers to become activated, committed citizens?

I'm still simply amazed by the sheer glacial nature of the change of people's awareness on all of these issues...and I'm not really sure why.

I mean, with sites like this, and others, I would think that the grass roots would understand that their life is going to have to change.

The problem, I think, is optimism. And I am an optimistic person by nature, until I ran into JHK, TOD, and all the other seminal voices in this movement. However, it's the "optimism" of the leaders, the institutions, etc., that always wins out in persuading people that the status quo is just fine.

Well, fuck the status quo. Hard.

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I mean, with sites like this, theoildrum.com, and others, I would think that the grass roots would understand that their life is going to have to change.

Good on you for staying on point this time, although I have no idea why you dwell on the non-answer of a single, probably hostile, question. Hell, I don't know if I'd take the public option over what I have now — but I'll damn well compare the two before making that decision, and if I get laid off or quit & start my own business I know it'll be there. You've rejected it out of hand already, judging from your hostile tone. Do you work for some HMO by chance?

Later this month, on the 40th anniversary of the Apollo 11 moon landing, President Obama will have been in office… exactly six months. His predecessor had eight years to hose up just about everything. I wasn't 100% thrilled with his voting record, nor with everything act he's taken since, but of the two viable choices last November I didn't regret voting for him and still don't. Would I have done some things different? Surely. I happen to be mature enough to know that he wasn't going to do everything I wanted, let alone in the order I wanted it; I also knew that fart radio and FoxSpew would send their pre-programmed audience after him and trash everything he did and tried to do, and I was 100% right about that, anyway.

I can't answer for you what JHK thinks "will redeem himself" means, but to me it means that President Obama will show us the intent of the GS/AIG/etc bailouts, and his reasons will be thought out even if we don't agree. I watched him during the primaries & campaign last year, and he's a lot more subtle than any candidate I've ever seen from either party — he lets his opponents exhaust themselves and then capitalizes on their mistakes. Not adoration, just respect for a good card player. President Obama famously told a gathering a bankers (paraphrased), "I'm what's between you and the pitchforks." I think it's past time for him to step aside and let the pitchforks pass by… but we're both watching from the sidelines.

If he doesn't deliver, there's 2010 and 2012. Although I doubt the goplets will have any better answers in four years (let alone two).

'banksters'

....i like that,,,those who can launder narco terrorists and various corporations $$$$

ADVICE TO JHK:
about leonas little people burning
down the hamptons
....watch out ...'they' can put you away for a long time for making terrorist threats...free speech or not

have a great week

Yeah, let's go back and blame the hell out of Bush FOREVER. When Obama needs a breath of fresh air, he invokes his hatred of Bush and the Bush regime. That's always good to catch the whorish press for some articles.
When does Obama call the economy his? End of second term? But, you love the sumbitch, and nobody will change your mind one iota. Congratulations, you picked the winner.

We are all forgetting one thing why this world is in a mess, just too many damn people on a small planet. Nothing can be sustained with this amount of people. I'm not crazy but this is why past regimes had genocide. They couldn't house or feed it's people. Joe Stalin is a perfect example. He killed more then Hitler ever did.Cambodia too. well, history will repeat.

In lieu of a sour rant, I'm just going to ask the question...what exactly does Goldman Sachs do to earn these kinds of sums? Most people will be lucky to make 600k in twenty years, much less as a year end bonus. Is the taxpayer footing the bill for these guys? As far as I can tell, Goldman is really great at shorting their own positions and extending dubious loans to their own shell companies, as well as dabbling in areas that I (and most other people) do not understand like hedging, whatever that means. Other than that....someone help me out here? What exactly do they do here? Why weren't they allowed to fail like Lehman? Political connections?

"I'm a Buddhist. I suspect that through meditation I have a better grip on the true meaning of impermanence than you."--dale

The very fact that you claim to be a better Buddhist than I means you are not. Go meditate on that, grasshopper.

The governator is planning to close all the California state parks.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/12/california-parks-budget-deficit

Lovely, isn't it? Throw $750 billion into our black hole of a finance system without any meaningful reform. Allow the corrupt and politically connected firms like Goldman to give out billions in bonuses.

State parks? Sorry. Caring for the poor and disabled? Oh, well, you're on your own. Some society we got going here.

Oh Jimbo, we are sooo screwed. Call the waaabulance!

bahmi,

The economy tanked in 2008 under Bush's watch after 8 years of his (mis)rule. How can Obama possibly be responsible for this? Gimme a break. You've apparently decided that you don't like the POTUS. What would change your mind? You want a 600k bonus this year?

I enjoy reading JHK's blog posts each week. There are some good ideas there.

However, I believe it is something of a waste of time to focus on Obama, GS etc. The whole political business has become so corrupt I do not believe we can expect anything sensible to come from that direction.

It is still a form of voyeuristic participation to be analyzing what Obama may or may not say or do. That whole game wants everyone focused there. If you are in the stadium watching, the game organizers don't really care if you are rooting for team A or team B or which of various athletes you want to win the race. Your attention feeds the game.

We have become highly conditioned to passive watching. (Thanks TV) So many people are watching with a kind of morbid fascination, listening for the next wave of GS bonuses, unemployment statistics, Obama speech, etc. To give ones attention to that whole business is to give it power.

There are more interesting things to look at. As the structures of social control become shaky and less certain, doorways open up for creative action, creative living. Things are possible today that were not a year or more ago. More things will be possible next year. The biggest limitation is not what people in Washington do or do not do. It is how atrophied has become our own capacity to think creatively outside narrow socially constructed boxes.

I'm contributing daily to an urban farming operation: http://trashfactory.net/sunrootgardens/

Spending my time growing food in various ways in the city is fertile ground (pun intended) for exploring the ways we have been conditioned to be inauthentic... to be obedient.

I believe it would be of benefit for websites such as this, to not only focus on the shenanigans of people 'in power', but also the many experiments happening all over the country. You know, the people who walked out of the stadium and started doing interesting things.

Our operation has all the attention it needs, but I would guess that plenty would welcome some attention and offers of resources.

"Oh Jimbo, we are sooo screwed. Call the waaabulance!"

So you've come here to whine to us about Jim's supposed whining?

I see you have a well developed sense of irony.

"How to accomplish this? How to bring down what is, in the words of Howard Beale, "the most awesome goddamn propaganda machine in the whole godless world"? Hell if I know....."

It's very simple. The MSM mafia is less about content and more about ad spending. And the way to kill this mafia is to recognize that its part of a larger mafia family. This larger mafia is the car/ oil/ military/ banking/ MSM/ corporate globalization mafia. If you wish this mafia dead, as I do, tune them out and don't give them your money.

If July 11, 2008 was peak oil day (supply-side), then July 11, 2009 is peak oil day (demand side), thanks to Obama's coherent energy policy, which focuses on:

*** Increased vehicle fuel efficiency (strengthening of the EPA/CAFE rules).

*** A gasoline tax imposed by severely limiting emission allowances to oil refiners in the Cap & Trade legislation combined with a short-term “Cash for Clunkers” rebate program. However you feel about selling/buying cars, this effort will reduce emissions.
http://www.cars.gov/

*** Expanding the passenger/freight rail system in the United States.

*** Funded R&D into 4th Generation biofuels.

*** 1 million plug-in hybrid vehicles on the road by 2015.

*** $2 billion for battery R & D

And those are just a few of the things Team Obama is working on. Today I'm ready to give Obama 16 Friedman units (8 years) to fully implement these policies.

The Peak Oil scare, long emergency, world-made-by-hand vision and other apocalyptic fantasies, underestimate the capability of adaptation, innovation, and CHANGE that human beings are capable of bringing about.

But then, conservatives seem to think human nature is fixed (not malleable), and that life is "nasty, brutish, and short" so, of course, they are having a difficult time believing Obama can bring about positive change that will benefit the entire society (and the planet) with no domestic violence or global apocalypse on the agenda.

Jim,

Nobody's going to revolt anytime soon, and they won't revolt against the wealthy. TV, media, and antidepressants have created a populace so dumb that they can't connect the dots between their declining financial fortunes and the votes they cast for Reagan and both Bushes.

They don't recognize that wealthy people are an uncontrolled fourth branch of government. To revolt, these people would have to admit they were wrong, about who they voted for, about their unspoken hope of being winners in the capitalist lottery, and about their cherished political beliefs. They'd have to admit that a bunch of goddamm hippies were right about oil, global warming, ecological decay, economics and perhaps even spirituality. They can't make that leap. The won't. They are too weak. Too cowed. If they destroy anyone, it will be those who got it right, and told them so.

Hi Asoka,

The "cash for clunkers" program and the development of 4th generation biofuels may reduce emissions, but then may not because they enable auto dependence and reinforce the belief that we can "solve" our over-reliance on and wasteful consumption of liquid fuels by means of easy "outs" like biofuels.

It sickens me to see that the biofuel scam still works with people who ought to know better. If we converted every arable acre of land in this country from food production to fuel production, we still wouldn't be able to fuel more than a fraction of the cars and trucks on the road. However, if we allocate too much more land to this purpose than we already have, we WILL produce widespread starvation and stratospheric food prices.

I voted for Obama for reasons other than his ability to manage the economy, which is no worse than I expected- I didn't expect him to do any better than this. I only expected McCain to do still worse, and I don't believe there's a candidate up there who wouldn't have caved in to the demands of the financial cartel.

The only thing to be said for Obama (or Clinton for that matter) is that at least they are not tied to the Christian Right and the "family values" crowd, which is why I favored the Dems. My only comfort is that McCain would have been much more destructive.

THANKS

I have heard ..for those of you who own cars..to ' save' the enviornment...the biggest thing you can do is keep yr old car...

the new one took a huge toll on the environment
theres a saying that:

if china had cars the way the usa has cars all the earths resources id be gone in 5 years

i stopped paying much attention to ' cornucopeians opinions!

"Today I'm ready to give Obama 16 Friedman units (8 years) to fully implement these policies."

That is because you are a kool-aide swilling, moron. No one, this early in Obama's term, should be willing to grant him a second term. Unless? Unless they are a M-O-R-O-N.

If, near the end of his first Obama proves to have been effective as a leader for the times he deserves a second term. Period. End of sentence.

JIM:The truth of the matter is this..I don't have\
enough time left for growing gardens and walking all over your new ambulent community centers. What
i really want from you is a possible out. Doctor
Doom won't cut it for those of us with very little
time left. How about spending just a little bit of time giving me some hope for the future. A weekly reminder that my leaders are lame and my money is worthless is causing me to eye my pill bottle with too much lust. How about a little hope huh?

"JIM:The truth of the matter is this..I don't have\
enough time left for growing gardens and walking all over your new ambulent community centers."

That being the case, you have nothing to worry about.

«Yeah, let's go back and blame the hell out of Bush FOREVER. …When does Obama call the economy his? End of second term?»

Bwaaaa hahahaha… nice try. That's not jumping to conclusions, that's taking a flying leap!

Let me try again, maybe you'll catch it this time. We're still one week short of six months into President Obama's first term. It's not his economy yet; that doesn't mean it never will be. I think four Friedman Units (2 years) is a fair minimum. The stimulus wouldn't produce immediate results, nor did the administration say it would — average time to produce results was estimated to be about year. In 2 years, we should see whether it worked or not.

Personally, I think President Obama is being far too cautious and far too accommodating to a gang of frothing knuckle-draggers who are going to try tearing him down no matter what, and the country be damned. I'd have gone a lot farther than he has, and when the goplets started whining, told them to sit down and shut up. They had their chance, and they wrecked everything they touched. If they were able to come up (snicker) with something (snort) constructive (bwwaaaaahahahaha), they'd be welcome to come back to the grown-up's table.

That "Toxic Equity" paper is downright scary.

Doctor Doom won't cut it for those of us with very little time left. How about spending just a little bit of time giving me some hope for the future.

Don't worry about the future. It will grow out of the present. Change is happening in the present, right now. Don't miss it.

Check out this podcast of James Lovelock, author of The revenge of Gaia : earth's climate in crisis and the fate of humanity, speaking in Seattle:
http://podcastliberally.com/blog/2009/06/fn20-enjoy-it-while-you-can/

"Enjoy your life while you can, because nothing we are doing right now will likely stop climate change in time. That is the terrifying message from Sir James Lovelock, famous UK scientist and inventor."

Like David Matthews and dale the buddhist say:

Enjoy today. Live in the present moment.

Jim, One of us is going to be owed an apology about Obama and I don't think it's going to be me making one to you. He is a fucking clown, a talking dummy. My only charity for him is that he's a wooden head and is nothing more than a modern day Charlie McCarthy.I always thought Dick Chaney pulled the strings for 'W" haven't figured out whoe's pulling them for "O".

Your acting like the "steeridge passengers" on the Titanic assuming that the Captain and the crew have a plan and will make things right and rescue all! All the way to their watery grave.

Don't care what direction "O" turns to if at all. No direction, plan or prayer will work until assets equal liabilites. He is a 1930's annal retentive certified sophist who doesn't have a clue. The "tipping point" was reached long ago (in large part to "W") and this wooden head continues merrily on the same road to hell.

We like Rome will survive but it will all be different ----like it has to be ---not like some ass hole thinks it should be. Reality is a tough bitch and suffers no fools.

By the bye, maybe I missed the big news---are we out of Iraq and Afghanastan yet or are they part of the new dirction or "bail out"!

Bye for now!

What I gather is that these financial firms try to come up with clever algorithms for their computers to game the system, such as executing several stock trades in microseconds to receive the 1/4 cent rebate from the exchange. Executed at high enough volumes, these types of trades can generate real returns.

Just from an outsider's perspective, this seems absolutely crazy to have completely handed over control of our financial system to a bunch of computers trying to maximize profits in this speculative fashion. This is not what the stock market was intended to do at all. It is supposed to provide liquidity for businesses, not be an incomprehensible cyborg machine run purely for the benefit of financial insiders.

What you have now is these financial machines gaming each other, so the volatility is high as they try to keep ahead of each other.

All the while, the Fed pumps more and more billions into this insane system.

Read that paper linked on JHK's front page. Scary, indeed.

The RS Goldman article is a good read, too.

I got 3 rent-a-cops jumping on me for not paying a $2 bus ticket. A cop gives me a lecture for going 6 mph of the limit. I'm sure you've had similar experiences.

Meanwhile, GS siphons billions of dollars out of investor's pockets for their employees to build their 3rd vacation homes, using schemes like 5 levels of loans to their own shell companies.

Where are the laws regulating against this type of predatory behavior?

What are the priorities in our society? To make the rich even richer by preying on all the rest of us?

It should be obvious by now that Obama does not work for you or me or any of the other peons in the USA. I was fortunate to be privy to a recent email exchange between a close friend and an advisor to the president. It went like this:

"... try to keep in mind how politically explosive it would be for any person in a position of power or influence to imply that our "American way of life" may have to be adjusted in any way, for any reason, ever."

Note the use of the word "ever." That's a long time.

"I think events will force Mr. Obama to assert some real leadership and take the national debate on our predicament in another direction, even if it is an uncomfortable direction for him and everybody else. Despite the massive disappointment being expressed by so many Obama voters these days, I believe the president will redeem himself before long."

Really? What have you seen in his behavior or character that leads you to believe this? I don't mean this as a flame - but I see zero evidence that this is likely or even possible.

Hello for this week from Wales in the slowly sinking UK.

This week our government signed up to some climate change/carbon emission treaty or agreement or whatever to reduce our carbon emissions by 80% by 2050. A noble cause, except to meet it we would have to stop driving, give up electricity and shut all the factories - and we would still struggle to meet the agreement. In short, it's not worth the paper it's written on and could only ever happen by chance (no oil left) as opposed to design.

McDonald's (some sort of cafeteria type business I believe) is pulling it's offices out of London and relocating to Zurich. They don't like our government's intended future interference into their (and other corporations)finances which is a bit bizarre because after our Chancellor made all his threats about bringing the banks to heel, the new proposed legislation is a bit of a paper tiger and a toothless one at that.

Meanwhile, Ireland, Greece, Portugal, Spain, the Baltic states and the Balkan states continue to teeter on the brink of total financial collapse and if just one of them goes down the meaning of the 'domino effect' will become very visible very quickly.

Bye Bye till next week.

Barry,

But your post tells me exactly the opposite, that they are afraid of offending the average American by implying that their way of life needs to change, which I think is a true assessment. From another perspective, its all about the peons and what the majority of people want to hear about their lives, e.g. "Everything is going to be alright.", or "We will fix things so you can go on living the same way." Do you see what I mean?

Much more alarming to me is the revolving door between Wall Street and the Executive Branch. The Treasury Department acting as an enabler and adjunct to Goldman Sachs and other politically connected financial firms engaged in dangerous financial speculation is not doing the peons any good - far from it. Obama and his crew could easily attack this gang and have the majority of Americans on their side, but they won't because even the POTUS is beholden to the Wall Street market makers.

Greetings all:

I am sorry JHK,but the American people( me too) have gotten lazy and are sheep now. The only up rising may be from a far right wing Christian fundamentalist group,or one from the extreme left adopting terror tactics which will only scare the sheep more into the protecting arms of the wolf. I think we need to have on line classes on prep. stuff, farming, gardening, defense,etc,etc. We have 1 farm left in my inner town, and a portion of it is being converted into a small office/medical strip mall, only 100 yards sit 2 half empty already built features. Our leaders are corrupt,people clueless, afarid, or just given up. BUT no revolution, no protest, only silent suffering, as they pray for a savior.

Well, what is your idea of "revolt"? The LA riots in '89 was a type of revolt, but would any sane person want to see that again - a bunch of angry hoi polloi burning down their own neighborhood and looting shops for consumer products? No, of course not. I'm not sure why you're deriding people for not "revolting". How 1960's faux anarchist of you.

There have been plenty of organized protests against all manner of things, including the Iraq War. A sustained multi-week campaign of protests is difficult. People have to work, and they are not so oppressed, as in Iran, to be out in the streets protesting day after day.

We live in a democracy and have elections to avoid armed insurrection. Ya dig?

Furthermore, there is the whole question. Protest against what? You've lost your job to a foreigner, your house is in hock, your retirement account is devastated, etc. What or whom are you going to protest?

The lone gunman on a shooting rampage has unfortunately become a major mode of extreme protest here in the states, and I think it is horrible to execute a bunch of innocents because life did you some (perhaps great) wrong. Despicable and a supreme act of vanity. People watch too many action movies and have far too easy access to guns.

So no revolt? Perfectly fine by me. Best worry about yourself and how you're living or go through the existing channels of representative democracy IMHO.

"the American people have gotten lazy and are sheep now"

I disagree. People's lack of respect for some kind of shared viewpoint about America, what you might call "conformity" or being a sheep, is causing societal dysfunction. The "go your own way" attitude that you seem to advocate does not engender a functioning, coherent society. Exhibit A is the state of California, so full of non-conformists and conflicting viewpoints that the state government has dug itself a $26 billion dollar hole and is unable to function. In general, I see an ambivalence in America regarding the rule of law, everywhere from people driving 10-15 mph over the speed limits, to the cavalier operations of the Wall Street players, or even someone taking out a creative loan on a property they cannot afford.

There needs to be more engagement by people of their representative government at all levels from city up to the national level, in addition to more respect for shared values. In a way, saying "screw it" and going your own non-conformist way and not being a "sheep" is part of the whole problem.

Obama is far from a "clown". I suspect that at this point, after a few intense discussions with his cabinet, that he has the clearest idea of anyone in the world about the problems facing America right now and in the future. Now whether he will be able to do anything about these problems or not is another issue entirely, but that doesn't mean he's a complete idiot. Politics and especially democracy is about the art of compromise. He's not going to ram through an agenda without some political consensus. That's not really his style, more like the last occupant of the White House. Obama is still working on forming a political basis for changing things. This country is not run by a dictator, so don't expect Obama to act like one. First you have to convince people that you're right before you get them to come along with an agenda that will alter their lives in significant ways. That's what I see happening now. Unless you want the president to act like Nixon or Bush and just do whatever they want regardless of the rule of law or the democratic majority's opinion.

Of course, you could be right. We could all be doomed. We're in the steerage of the Titanic. It is the last days of Rome. Or what have you. In that case, why bother complaining about Obama in particular if you feel everything is a priori doomed to complete failure and collapse? You just feel like bitching and moaning, and he's a convenient target, is what I'm supposing.

The current and ongoing looting of the US treasury ought to be enough proof that the middle isn't going to hold in this country, or at least that is the broad perception among the rich and powerful. Once the former-middle-class are further resolved into the newly poor and the thankfully (if barely) rich, there won't be anyone left to demand justice; the thankful won't want to rock the boat for fear of being tossed off it, and the poor... well the poor don't count. Hell, the poor won't even be allowed to vote once the middle falls out. No middle class, no defense of Constitutional protections of any kind. Look to any other third-world nation for proof of that, if you need it.

We look at things like the hypothetical "long emergency" as economic catastrophes. Maybe that's because we cannot imagine any other kind. Well there are worse then economic epic fails, and we appear to be heading directly into the jaws of one.

I and my family are part of the middle-middle-class ourselves -- our family economy could go either way once the middle drops away -- so I'm particularly sensitive to what awaits me, my wife and our young children.

cougar

If we converted every arable acre of land in this country from food production to fuel production

You are making a few assumptions here.

1) That biofuel is derived from land

2) That biofuel is derived from arable land.

2) That biofuel affects food production

Biofuel production is not dependent on land use, much less arable land. Food production need not be affected in the least by biofuel production, e.g., switchgrass on non-arable land.

Land is not even needed for biofuel production. Terrestrial biomass resources can cause higher food prices, impact on water use, biodiversity and destruction of rain forest.

But Algae do not have that negative image.

See, for example, this article (if you live near a library):

"Seaweed Seen As Better Biofuel." Aquaculture Magazine 34, no. 3.

Biofuel is not THE ANSWER to our fuel problem. It is part of the answer.

so JHK visited canada and found a ' land of well kept farms'

I recently had a phone call with someone in WINDSOR ONT:
trash strike drags on month after month, along with taxi strike and meter maids strike and we buy goods in usa!

and than theres the tv program
LITTLE MOSQUE ON THE PRARIE

Marine algae could be part of the solution.

Seaweeds grow rapidly, harness carbon dioxide and have simple structures which make them easily converted to fuel.

Algae is a sustainable solution that does not rely upon arable land needed for food production.

Megan McArdle at The Atlantic, compares Taibbi to Sarah Palin:

One of McArdle's main arguments is that Taibbi misuses several financial terms, including collateralized debt obligations and credit default swaps. While the terms themselves still sound arcane to many, McArdle argues that they're crucial to understanding the financial crisis. In fact, she calls out Taibbi for a "lack of fundamental conceptual understanding."

One of the key points in Taibbi's piece is that Goldman Sachs was entirely unique in the way it engineered asset bubbles. At one point, Taibbi suggests Goldman could be prosecuted for securities fraud for its use of CDOs. For one, McArdle points out, other large prestigious financial institutions bought and sold shoddy assets like CDOs. Goldman's customers, she says, were "not little grannies who think a bond coupon is what you use to buy denture glue. They're institutions who could reasonably be expected to understand the risks."

asoka,

If Matt Taibii could find out that much about GS with a little investigative journalism, I'm sure it is just the tip of the iceberg of what they have been up to over the years. The finance industry is not known for a policy of full disclosure.

GS, in effect, has moles all throughout the US government, and they are manipulating the policies of the Treasury for the benefit of their company. I don't find it surprising in the least.

The article covers 6 different bubble periods, only one of which includes CDOs and CDSs, so even if that section is wrong (which it isn't), it is 1/6 of the whole article.

As far as the institutions understanding the risk, NO ONE realistically understands the risks of some of these complex hedging strategies. From the amount of money they lost, obviously GS didn't, so how could their investors? Furthermore, how does an "institution" understand anything? The Atlantic piece sounds like dreck to me.

Just think about it....loaning money to your own front companies, shorting your own positions, pump and dump on IPO stocks...these guys aren't a financial firm, so much as an organized gang of white collar criminals out to make bank in any way possible.

And when they really screw up and fail big time, you and I get to pay for it. Grand, ain't it?

"One of the key points in Taibbi's piece is that Goldman Sachs was entirely unique in the way it engineered asset bubbles."

GS is unique in what they're able to do or at least the level to which they are able to do it, because so many of their former employees work in the US Treasury Department, including many heads of that department who are former GS alum. They got guys on the inside. Get it?

Nice try, turkle. There is NO political basis for Obama's wanting to do things democratically. He lacks transparency, most dictators in waiting do, also. Ask a question, get vagueness, elusiveness, and smugness. He's the puppeteer to Holder, he's beholden to Wall Street, he has the big majority of rabid politicians utterly in awe of him, despite his being rebuffed over and over in Eurabia. No comments about the Minneapolis jihadists, either. Why not, it concerns every one of us true Americans? Obama is very selective, tell me how busy he is now. Tell me again and again how great the world was before W took office. Tell me how you loved Bubba, King of the country of Upper Viagra. Obama will be permitted your standard 8 year trial period. If things turn out, you're a hero. If not, blame W. I won a double sawbuck, having bet with a friend on the nature of his upcoming surgeon general choice. It was easy, who forgot Elders? You go back to the well again and again, especially if you want to be the supreme revisionist. Obama runs like Marcus Garvey in reverse. It's time to level the playing field, who cares if Whitey doesn't like it? OK to stay mum about the jihadists in Twin Cities, but Holder, independent, of course, wants to prosecute W's bad boys. Obama has nothing to do with that little issue, though, none at all.
But, we all realize true love for Obama is indelible. It purports to be merit based, give the guy a chance, etc. Goldman Sachs owns Barry's shorts, it's clear for all to see. Let him figure a way out of that maze. You take campaign contributions, you owe. And, Barry owes, bigtime. Trouble is, we get to pay for this spendthrift, he of the 180 million dollar inauguration in times with the worst economy since the big Depression. Maybe Barry should tell us, through Geithner, of course, how long it will take for our pukey GNP to pay for his coronation. W was a dope, the Kenyan transcends dopedom.

In 1941 the company made the transformation from cars to armaments in a matter of months; why can't it produce the rolling stock for a renewed passenger rail system? Or trams?

Har har. This is the same company that bought up and dismantled various mass transit systems (inluding the one in my little town), for the sake of selling more cars.

See, for example, this -

http://www.trainweb.org/mts/ctc/ctc06.html

They were hauled into court over it, and of course severely penalized for it. The fine? $5,000.

"Algae is a sustainable solution that does not rely upon arable land needed for food production."--asoka

No, it's not sustainable. The NPK fertilizer used to grow it is mined and transported with fossil fuel, including the "free" nitrogen in the air that is reduced to ammonium nitrate using natural gas. Next....

How is Obama not transparent? How is he like a dictator? I think you've got a screw loose...

Dr. Doom said: No, it's not sustainable. The NPK fertilizer used to grow it is mined and transported with fossil fuel, including the "free" nitrogen in the air that is reduced to ammonium nitrate using natural gas. Next....

Dr. Doom, microalgae and cyanobacteria are sunlight-driven cell factories that convert carbon dioxide to potential biofuels, foods, feeds and high-value bioactives.

I suppose I could just say something flip like: cyanobacteria in photobioreactors can provide an alternative to chemical nitrogenous fertilizers, so N-P-K doesn't enter the picture, thereby destroying your whole premise....

Next...

But, I want to explain this to you since your hangup is on fossil fuel availability (needed for N-P-K production and transport).

In photobioreactors microorganisms are used in bioremediation applications and as nitrogen fixing biofertilizers in the production of algae.

Suitably designed photobioreactors are substantially more productive in comparison with open ponds and raceways that have been traditionally used for culturing microalgae.

Furthermore, Dr. Doom, photobioreactors allow monoseptic culture of many more algae than can be grown in open systems.

And, to repeat, Dr. Doom, this process is sustainable. because algae are rapid-growing photosynthetic cell factories. Algae are vehicles for sustainable production of biofuels, foods, bioactives and industrial materials.

Furthermore, Dr. Doom, two significant factors are expected to contribute to increased future use of the algae in commercial operations:

1) advances in genetic engineering to enhance their capabilities and

2) developments in engineering of large-scale photobioreactors to enable inexpensive contained culture of microalgae production using tubular photobioreactors for monoseptic culture to produce tonnage quantities of the biomass.

Dr. Doom, you really need to stop saying "No..." so readily, and get with the program. N-P-K is not necessary. Change is happening.

R&D is ramping up. In the next eight years of Obama's administrations you are going to see things you have not even dreamed of become reality...

Like sustainable algae biomass production with no N-P-K.

Next...

Bahmi, you're foaming at the mouth, man. I can't even understand half your post, probably because I don't listen to Rush or Hannity.

Um, Neon, Peak Oil is not the same as Peak Oil price. In fact, it's closer to the opposite. The highest petroleum prices would be expected once we overshot Peak Oil and headed down the far slope ... while the lowest oil prices could easily occur just around the time we're actually at Peak Oil.

So, how to interpret the fact that global oil prices are now less than 1/2 of what they were a year ago? Are we at peak? Past peak? Not there yet?

The logical interpretation is that we're still a number of years away. No data I've viewed with a sober eye has convinced me otherwise. Whatever the reality, that doesn't make it any less urgent for us to begin transforming our society into a sustainable society with all due haste. But if we run around crying "Peak Oil" every three months, like predictably broken clocks, it just makes us look like sky-is-falling fools.

Look at Kunstler's prediction in December 1999 that the global economy was essentially going to collapse at the strike of midnight, due to Y2K. Or his perennial predictions that WalMart is on its last legs. These complete whiffs do not build confidence among the Obamas or Frankens or Clintons or Merkels of the world that people like ourselves are worth paying attention to.

Reporting in from the town of East Hampton, NY, of the aforementioned brick-thrown-in-window fame: no one is anywhere near to being up in arms. Frankly, we yokels need the rich out here; as they go, so go we all. We depend on them for our property values to rise and to employ our families and to keep our many small businesses afloat. Everyone out here is anxious at how the summer is shaping up. But angry? No. Aggrieved, yes. I'll be the first to tell you that I am not buying as much useless crap, that's for sure.

"It's ironic that your denial is analogous to the denial you rail against"

Read below WITH OPEN MIND and you will get a picture, which will be extremely hard to swallow, and very painful to digest: “Collateral Damage” by E. P Heidner, part I and II.
>>> www.scribd.com/people/documents/2169400-ep-heidner

The two documents have just recently been published and are very well researched and referenced (over 400 footnotes). The articles are lengthy, some parts not easy to follow and to digest. But they are well worth the effort. They provide the most distressing information.

The implications will challenge how we look at politics, economy, history, finance, war and terrorism. Many persons in the documents are well known; many are right now in pivotal positions of politics and finance. These people do shape OUR life and that of our children right now. The details are stunning. The consequences are BEYOND BELIEF.

Likewise, here there is no generalized anger among the populace, but that hasn't stopped some people from trying to incite a violent uprising.

Since the beginning of this year, violent neo-fascists inthe USA have killed nine people, among them immigrants, a child, an abortion provider and a security guard at the Holocaust Museum.

Once largely sidelined, the violent ultra-right is making a comeback, trying to exploit the Bush-created economic crisis and the election of the first African American president. The scapegoating is being fueled with help from the rightwing media.

Are they fucking plants or what???
"Like sustainable algae biomass production with no N-P-K."

How about flying with no jet-A, just a nun's habit?

It's absurd for any American to doubt that
conspiracies are real since America is the result
of a sucessful conspiracy. The Founding Fathers
were terrified of that the French Conspiracy would
spread to America, especially since some of the
signers had been enarmoured of it. They were also
deeply concerned about the long term infiltration
by the Central Bank Conspiracy from England. The
latter, after a long battle, has now triumphed.
To be ignorant or dismissive of all this, is to
miss one of the major themes of our history.
As for the masses, they aren't supposed to be
voting at all, at least not past the local level.
Remember this was built as a Republic not a Dem-
ocracy. And following the classical tradition, only the well informed with a stake (vested or
landed interest) in how things turn out get to
vote. Aristotle, Burke, Jefferson-all of one mind
on this. Aristotle said the middle class should
vote-but by middle class he meant those who didn't
have to work and had the leisure to study and keep
up with the cases. His upper class were the tribal
aristocrats who didn't need to work either. The
masses are ignorant and clueless-and always will
be mass media or not. The Founding Fathers loathed
Democracy. Loathed it. Things have been changed,
slowly but surely their wisdom stripped away slice
by slice. Incrementalism is the greatest weapon
of the Conspiracy.
If the Fed is ever investigated as Ron Paul
desires, it will be found to be privately owned
by foreigners-virtually all European Jews as the
Far Right has always maintained. Just as the Amer-can People found out their money was worthless but
too late to do anything about it, so with this. We
will find out that America was sold to foreigners
back in 1913. And they have control over all of
our institutions-what can we do? Well, one thing
we'll do is say we told you so.

In response to ReedJHolmes, who said:

"It seems to me, the only way to get true justice and true reform in America is through armed struggle and/or revolution. Either that, or wait for the dollar to inflate into nothing whereby everyone would be equally poor."

Don't place any hopes on the latter alternative. The rich Goldman Sucks Ass crowd have the knowlege, connections and capital to make money at all times. If the dollar inflates, they'll just invest in Chinese/Indian/Japanese/Italian/Irish/Whatever currency, the next bubble, precious metals, soybeans, etc.

They have no allegiance to our country or our currency, that's why they are willing to tear both of them down in their pursuit of wealth.

They need to go. We must cut off the gangrenous limb before it poisons the entire body.

And, oh, lest I forget, Asoka, don't try to minimalize the seething anger of the masses by trying to connect all criticism of our political leaders to right-wing Nazi dumbasses. There are plenty on the left who want to puke blood when they hear Obama speak -- then see his lack of action on Wall Street.

Click here for the solution to our woes -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI

There are plenty on the left who want to puke blood when they hear Obama speak

Yeah... the difference is the left doesn't have a hate-mongering corporate-controlled media fomenting violence and egging the lefties to kill and bomb.

So the left is not picking up guns and bombs and killing people.

The right has killed nine people so far this year. The right fire bombs churches, bombs abortion clinics, and act out their hatred through violence in many ways.

The violent ultra-right shares the same moral values and Christian beliefs as the majority of the Republican Party, the majority of political conservatives who no longer consider themselves Republicans, and the majority of neo-cons.

It's an "us versus them" Manichean position which makes it very easy to villify "enemies"... in the name of "morality" or "racial purity" or "patriotism" or whatever the controlling ideology is.

"And following the classical tradition, only the well informed with a stake (vested or
landed interest) in how things turn out get to
vote."

Even illegal immigrants have a stake in how elections turn out, so they should be allowed to vote.

Is there anyone who doesn't have a vested interest in who is in power?

Denying the "masses" the right to vote is treasonous, though NONE DARE CALL IT TREASON.

Are they fucking plants or what???
"Like sustainable algae biomass production with no N-P-K."

NPK is fertilizer, but synthesized (artificial), and predominantly contains the three primary ingredients of nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), and potassium (K), (that's why they are known as N-P-K fertilizers)

The issue is that Dr. Doom wrongly says algae biomass production requires NPK.

I just pointed out that NPK is not necessary for photobioreactor production of microalgae on a commercial scale.

Most of us led to believe that with good leadership, right policies and bold action we can correct the present problems and recover from this recession as we did so in the past.

Certainly, Mr. Kunstler have the right ideas. Unfortunately, the cancer has already metastasized.

Why Obama is not doing anything. Because there is nothing that he can do to change the direction we are heading. It is like sitting at the beach for few hours. Without ever noticing the change, you suddenly find yourself in the middle of a vast and ugly sandy mud.

We have shipped our once robust industry abroad chasing cheap labor. Sustained the largest consumer economy of the planet for a decade by barrowing the savings of the rest of the world. Employed the masses who otherwise would have been unemployed, in a building frenzy until we could no longer sell the houses we built for the people who could not afford them.

During the last decade, all we could do was to borrow so that we could buy goods made in China, Japan, Korea and Germany while waging wars on two fronts. Now, we have a solution: We will further borrow additional trillions of stimulus money from abroad and hand out to people at home so that they would stimulate the demand for goods manufactured in China and Japan.

We, as a Nation, are broke and the rest of the World does not have the resources to finance the magnitude of investments we would need to accomplish the necessary structural changes.

I don’t believe anybody has any answer to our predicament. The people who are in the position to know what is ahead would not have the courage to tell us the truth. We were in a position to deal with the last Depression, but not with this one.

"The people who are in the position to know what is ahead would not have the courage to tell us the truth."

I guess you missed my link to someone who is in a position to know what is ahead and has the courage to tell us:

http://podcastliberally.com/blog/2009/06/fn20-enjoy-it-while-you-can/

James Lovelock is the author of Vanishing Face of Gaia: Final Warning (2009)

http://www.amazon.com/Vanishing-Face-Gaia-Final-Warning/dp/0465015492/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247555833&sr=1-1

docK J:

How ironic that you suggest GM might even consider building public transit hardware nearly 100 years after GM and Mr. Rockefeller helped sabotage so many urban transit lines across the country. I was waiting for you to pounce on it - alas, in vain.

Was that a typo, docK? 18 BILLION for the Goldman Sachs-A-Bitches ? Eighteen... BILLION?

Can you repeat that?

docK J:

How ironic that you suggest GM might even consider building public transit hardware nearly 100 years after GM and Mr. Rockefeller helped sabotage so many urban transit lines across the country. I was waiting for you to pounce on it - alas, in vain.

Was that a typo, docK? 18 BILLION for the Goldman Sachs-A-Bitches ? Eighteen... BILLION?

Can you repeat that?

"Dr. Doom, you really need to stop saying "No..." so readily, and get with the program. N-P-K is not necessary. Change is happening."--asoka

Ha ha! I've got you now, my pretty! You cannot, I repeat, cannot grow plants without sunlight (OK), source of carbon (CO2, OK) and micronutrients (NPK Plus traces). You want to scale up growth of cyanobacteria (plants) or any other algae, you're going to need all of these ingredients, OR THEY WILL DIE.

Dude, ever hear of ATP? Life as we know it is based upon this molecule. It contains phosphorous, the element P. No life that we know of functions without it. You have to supply that element some way, mostly at scale you have to mine it and then apply it as soluble phosphate.

Quit talking out of your ass, asoka. Get an education, please.

Jim,

I don't know what your dilly is. I haven't read all these comments, I just caught that one line.

Ain't noboby plannin on replacing gasoline with electric cars. The best(worst) case scenario is a scrappage rate of 7% over 20 years. Then say the replacement rate at 25% electric happens.

Do the math. Never any strain on the grid.

But you don't do math or physics. Horrible.

What's worse is Sharon Astyk thinks Michael Jackson is important.

Uuuggh. At least I know OEO still has some sense.

@dale -

dude, are you fucking serious? The only people that used to care about you were Doom, Nudge, and OEO. Everybody thinks you are a retard. Everybody has defeated you in combat and doesn't give a flying eff anymore.

Your only hope is me, and I'm just gonna tell you to go study math some more.

I take that back. I can feel Doom wants to fuck you one more time.

Seriously, dude. It's a bad time. You never read the books we recommended and finance is a bad topic, since, we are all on top of it, thank you.

When I say thank you, I mean YOU THANK ME, for all the stuff I told you a few years ago.

Seeya.

-Geithner

«The violent ultra-right shares the same moral values and Christian beliefs as the majority of the Republican Party, the majority of political conservatives who no longer consider themselves Republicans, and the majority of neo-cons.»

Asoka, those people can call those beliefs Christian from sunrise to sunset, but it doesn't make it so. Indeed, most CONservative beliefs, violent or otherwise, are diametrically opposed to the teachings of Christ as found in the four Gospels. I truly do fear for their souls, and for the surprise that may await them on the judgement day.

I don't think the first sign of trouble is going to be a rock going through the window of some CEO in a gated community. These people will be well protected. This is what Blackwater is for. Remember, they were the first on the ground after Katrina to make sure the wealthy were protected.

The first sign of trouble -- and it's actually already starting, although under-reported -- will be attacks against Mexicans and other immigrants.

This is why the corporatists have spent the last 10 years spreading propaganda about how immigrants were "stealing our jobs," sucking up our welfare money, and causing the problems with health care. I hear these lies repeated even by people supposedly on the left.

The whole effort, spearheaded by Lou Dobbs, was to create a scapegoat class to take the first hit when the excrement hit the fan. People will be beating up on immigrants -- real or perceived -- long before they start hurling rocks in The Hamptons.

"This is why the corporatists have spent the last 10 years spreading propaganda about how immigrants were "stealing our jobs," sucking up our welfare money, and causing the problems with health care."

Hey simple-fuck. You forgot (how convenient) one little descriptor. That word being "illegal" in front of the word immigrants. By definition if you are here illegally, you are stealing jobs, sucking up welfare money and taxing our health care system. Now quit being a M-O-R-O-N and shut the fuck up.

Furthermore, if it wasn't already crystal clear it should be dawning on you slow learner types that we are barely able to provide for members of the U.S citizenry. Why on god's green earth we should allow non-citizens to walk on in and line up at the trough makes less sense now than ever. Please and I truly mean this, try (although I know it may be difficult for a fucktard) and get a clue.

Wildfires burn a lot of hapless bunnies and deer as well as taking out dead trees.

Act with your dollars. Vote with your dollars.

1. Don't invest in the stock market. Take out all your money and buy some land, and get friends and family to live on it with you.

2. Don't give a crap about the rich and their bizarre ways. The Amish, the Mennonites, and those like them, have a way with people who are bringing the community down: shunning.
Shun the rich. They are sharks who will eat you in a blind frenzy.

3. Don't buy what they are selling. Don't dream of being like the rich. Disregard them. Don't give them any attention. Don't buy from them. Don't sell to them. Exclude them from existence in your mind. Don't admire them secretly. All they are are people, like us, who were crooked and psycho enough to accumulate more than they need. Or who were born into it, through no effort of merit of their own. But just the crookedness or insanity of their parents and grandparents.

4. Money is not the root of all evil. LOVE of money is the root of all evil.

Hey Jimmie,

I read today that some stimulus money finally trickled down to AMTRAK. It only cost $687,000 to refurbish ONE passenger car. Cool. I can't wait until more tax dollars are thrown at the railroads as you suggest. You know with the government being so efficient and whatnot. (NOT!)

"The Amish, the Mennonites, and those like them, have a way with people who are bringing the community down: shunning."

I live in the Northcountry of NY, several Amish neighbors within a mile, me thinks your concept of shunning is a bit off the mark. My understanding of shunning is as a cultural control over members of the flock who might/would consider leaving such. Shunning is applied only to members of their order not to the "English", as we are known by them.

"By definition if you are here illegally, you are stealing jobs, sucking up welfare money and taxing our health care system."

Obviously you are not a wealthy farmer in the US. I first became aware of the massive utilization of illegal immigrants when I was stationed in CA from 68-78 and observed the farm owner communities' frothing at the mouth about the massive losses of income they would suffer if "illegals" were totally restricted from their fields. When I returned to the Northcountry of NY in 2002 I was astounded to observe that Hispanic illegals now comprise the vast majority of the dairy farm labor here. Same lament from the local dairy farmers, they would loose massive profits if illegals were totally restricted from working on their farms.

Bottom line, employers prefer "illegals" to maximize their bottom lines.


"Bottom line, employers prefer "illegals" to maximize their bottom lines."

Who fucking cares? It does not make it right and it does not make it legal. And by the way I'm not finding fault with the illegals. If I lived in S. American and my family was doing poorly and I knew I could waltz into the U.S. and profit and send money home I would. I'd do what I had to to to take care of my own. My gripe in not with illegals, my gripe is with a U.S. government that has such contempt for the integrity of our nation that they allow this to happen.

"All they are are people, like us, who were crooked and psycho enough to accumulate more than they need."

You are a moron. They are all crooked? Sure, if you say so. None of them risked everything to get ahead and did so playing by the rules (laws). Naw, not a one.

As for accumulating "more than they need", what the fuck does that mean? Do you mean they should only have enough food for the next day and that the cave they are living in can just keep them dry enough and warm enough to not die? As if this is the level under which you currently survive? Shut up.

I enjoyed this article more than some of the other recent ones. Jim, fyi, Obama will NEVER talk straight to the American people about the situation we're in UNTIL it is so obvious that we're in a world of hurt. When will it be obvious to the majority that we're in a world of hurt? That's the $64,000 question. I've predicted in a previous post that you're "middle of the summer" prediction for the great awakening of the public to our situation is way too soon. In fact, the middle of the summer is about a month away, and if you go visit the MSM websites, they're talking about "recovery" and "record profits." There is no acknowledgement of any real danger. Everything's fine.

You're point about the dead-end that is electric cars is spot on, I will give you that. We do not have enough power available to allow a significant number of people to charge up their cars. Even more importantly, the cap-and-trade fiasco will ensure that the electric alternative is just as expensive as gasoline. Our local power provider has predicted a 50% rise of energy rates once cap-and-trade is enacted. So, electric cars are just another bouncing ball for the masses to follow.

How does it all go down? Here's a scenario: In late fall the Swine Flu makes a roaring come back. In emergency rooms all over California, illegals are packed in trying to get their free treatment for H1N1. The public then begins to demonize the illegals for causing the spread of the disease. People begin to call for deportations and violence ensues.

@Ken

Yes, in the strict sense, you are of course correct. I think is is still applicable however.

Shunning is not limited only to those communities, it is at work all around us. We all know of situations where people ignore and exclude people. The rich ignore those "below" them. Families ignore and exclude "black sheep."

Those rich guys still pretend to be Americans, even though they are treating America like some skank to be used, abused, and discarded before they move on to Rio or London or wherever "better opportunities" lead them. Actions speak louder than words.

They have abandoned America to destitution and destruction. Let us turn our backs on them as anti-American.

@aszasz,

sorry if you took what I said as an insult to you, friends, or family.

But as far as flaming and ad hominem attacks, back atcha bub :-)

Asoka,
While it's true the radical fringe of the media right has no equal on the left, I would suggest that Olbermann is not far these days from being cut of the same cloth as the likes of Rush. I believe virtually every cable news and network news program has been largely vacated of any real news and relies primarily on arguments between entrenched commentators with no regard for the truth, or showing some nut job's head explode over an imagined slight to his political view . The only news programs I will bother to watch these days are “World Focus” and Zacharia, the rest is little more than political grandstanding or useless information, designed only to piss you off.

"You never read the books we recommended and finance is a bad topic, since, we are all on top of it, thank you." --Rico

Thanks for that, pretty funny stuff.

Dr. Doom said: "The NPK fertilizer used to grow algae is mined and transported with fossil fuel"

Actually, algae has grown for millenia without any fossil fuel.

New processes are just imitating natural processes. Fossil fuel to produce N-P-K fertilizer is not necessary to grow algae.

And now you accuse me of talking out my ass, thereby changing the subject to methane!

Just admit it, Dr. Doom, commercial N-P-K fertilizer dependent upon fossil fuel is not necessary to grow algae.

If you don't believe me, take a step beyond Wikipedia and look at the peer-reviewed literature on the subject.

@dale

The only news I watch much anymore is Lehrer, Moyers, and BBC. I don't know where the oldtime journalists have gone. Wish we had folks like Cronkite and Murrow again to help sort this mess out.

Yeah BBC's good, Moyers puts me to sleep however. Try World Focus, that will really grow on you after a few days.

Didn't you learn anything from the '60s, Jim? The majority of the American people are easily manipulated by the media. They won't blame the people who deserve the blame. They dream of being the people who are ripping them off. They won't understand that the gravy train is done, because they don't want to believe it. They're invested in the system as it is, and a major upheaval is too much for them to wrap their minds around. Obama certainly won't enlighten them, he has too much to lose and he's part of the class that made the problem. I expect unrest, but I expect it to be aimed at the wrong people.

"It does not make it right and it does not make it legal...My gripe in not with illegals, my gripe is with a U.S. government that has such contempt for the integrity of our nation that they allow this to happen."

Who is the gommerment? POTUS? Congress? The people? The monied bastards who own the gommerment?

"Who fucking cares?"

Apparently you do.

GS and the other banks are engaging in nothing more than a DOG and PONY show just like GM did. Remember when they said they didn't need any more money? A whole bunch of nerdy number crunchers (when they're not busy playing Tetris at company cocktail parties) still think all we need is the consumer (Americans) to start spending wildly again. Americans are no longer people; we are nothing more than consumers with price tags on our heads. Next GM will tell us they're coming out with an electric car complete with Louis Vuitton seats and Prada styled headlights. I can hear the AD now..."Get yours today in all the iPod designer colors for your leisurely drive from your private estate to the local shop-o-plex. All for the low, low price of 69,900, excluding taxes and fees. Text your order to The new GM - because how else will you meet your friends at the mall and look so cool at the same time?" And GOD forbid you will not be able to do that. GOD forbid anyone question your right to do whatever you want in the first place. The reality is that Americans have become so spoiled they can't see past the tips of their own noses. Apparently, we are a nation of children who never really mentally mature past teenagers. Why? The answer to our problems may rest simply in the answer to that question.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nico owrries for the illegals...so maybe they could write an article on chandra levys accused killer...described in washington compost/ ny la slimes as a ' migrant' from central america!

illegals kill 3000? people a year in the usa...
and other immigrants kill many more!

a friend went back home to long island 2 or 3 years ago and was shocked to see the numbers of the 'latinos' on east long island...i was like ' wake up'...the usa with out a border cant survive too much longer....mexico alone is estimated to triple its population from 100 million to 300 million over the next 70? 80? years..

mexico 100 years ago had 10 million people...before it dumped 10s of millions of its unemployed on u.s.

the mexican govt is actively subverting the u.s.a.
via its 'disinform and dump' campaign
read brimelow erlcih and p. buchanan..........then form yr own opinions...

Asoka-
Do this experiment.
1. collect some algae fron the nearest body of water.
2. put half of the algae in a glass full of distilled water.
3. put the other half in a glass of pond water, with all the naturally occuring NPK present.
4. put both in your window sill
5. observe the different growth rates.

'Bottom line, employers prefer "illegals" to maximize their bottom lines'

certainly not in all industries...but now desperate educated u.s. born citizens are applying for farm worker jobs.....ive posted facts about that

Most illegals are not farm workers. They are employed as roofers, counter-help at the coffee shop, restaurant workers, house and office cleaners, etc. They are more profitable than legal workers. They do reduce the wages of both legal immigrants and native born workers. They do push up the cost of low income housing. Simple supply and demand. They do use public services like ERs in hospitals. It would be nice if all the poor people in the world could come here, and not degrade conditions here, but reality is different.

You don't want violence against illegals? Send them home.

I predict California will look like Quebec in the seventies. The re-conquista movement is real.

"I predict California will look like Quebec in the seventies."

Uh....lots of people speaking French in California?!

The "business" people generally like the illegal immigrants, because they can pay them crap wages with no benefits. And they won't complain, because it is still 10x better than whatever they would be doing in ole Mehico.

I love how the pro-illegal crowd frames the debate. They aren't "illegals". They are "undocumented". Like we just need to hook them up with some documents, and everything will be fine, man!

As JK noted a few weeks back, Obama's only possible value to the nation is as a whistle blower.

All the talk about "doing something" is as useless as ever - while not addressing the causes of our nation's dilemmas.

Essentially, "government" is necessary to regulate all the facets of life that are improved through "economy of scale" or organizational expertise and collective but singular effort. This is how governments successfully improved the living standards of millions with respect to utilities, food supplies and national defense.

What we are experiencing now is an ever increasing divergence between governance for the benefit of the masses and the attention to the favoring of "influential few."

This "divergence of beneficial governance of the masses" is increasingly apparent due to the recognition of the finiteness of various resources, namely oil, for the time being.

All the ranting about various factions, particular officials and particular industries misses the fundamental, inescapable point; only a modern and thoroughly honest and efficient government will meet the challenges of regulating and dispersing increasingly finite resources in a fair and equitable way.

How we go about reforming, or otherwise restoring the concepts of independent government, operating freely of both partisan and moneyed influences is beyond me. But make no mistake, for all the ranting about the finance sector or Obama or members of any political persuasion, the only hope for a thoughtful, fair and just retreat to sustainable standards of living will require a Congress that can deliberate and legislate based on its conscience rather than its wallet.

But I digress.



"Just admit it, Dr. Doom, commercial N-P-K fertilizer dependent upon fossil fuel is not necessary to grow algae."--asoka

I believe the context of your original claims was algae grown artificially as a fossil fuel subsitute. That's a lot like the beaker experiment that the intelligent poster Cthulhu refers to, above. Of course, algae can grow in any natural setting where all the ingredients for growth are present, naturally. Growth rates will be dependent on all the conditions being optimised. That's precisely what the algae-to-fuel folks are trying to achieve. Therefore, they will add chemical fertilizers like NPK.

Ever hear of "an algal bloom"? How do you think that occurs? Black magic?

Why is this so hard for you? Do you have a learning impediment? I think you're an evil moron who can type. You're wasting everyone's time and efforts here with your Obamawama propaganda and doublespeak. Take another vacation, please.

What's going on with Goldman Sachs is so blatantly corrupt it proves that truth is truly stranger than fiction.

Let me get this straight: Goldman gets billions in TARP loans, around $20 billion funneled through AIG for its blind credit default swaps (e.g., gambling debts), then gets another infusion from the FED and with said infusion pays back its TARP loan. And by paying back the TARP loan Goldman becomes a poster child on why regulation isn't needed on Wall Street after the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression?

Too bad the masses can't understand this process, if they did we'd either have a revolution, or Congress and Obama and his Goldman Sachs cabinet would actually do something for the benefit of the people.

We can talk solving global warming, peace in the Middle East, and free universial health care all we want, but if the funneling of our future generations' cash to rich guys on Wall Street continues, none of our big dreams will become a reality. There are nearly $700 trillion in worldwide toxic derivatives out there. It's all phantom wealth and paying it back amounts to throwing pennies into the center of the Milky Way.

(Oh, lest somebody gives me that old line "Don't blame Obama, it's Bush's fault" -- fuck Bush, I couldn't stand him, either.)

They all suck. Vote them all out, with the exception of guys like Paul and Kucinnich. Unless Obama suddenly grows a pair, vote Nader in 2012.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI&feature=related

If anyone needs a lesson in what is wrong with this countries political process, watching just 15 minutes of the confirmation hearings, as I did at lunch, will make it crystal clear. No wonder congress attracts such pathetic specimens, they spend more time posturing then a a flock of preening Peacocks. I'm sure the staff costs for putting on this dog and pony show for a couple of days is well over a million dollars. It would be laughable if it were not such a ridiculous waste of time and money.

I'm guessing these folks at ExxonMobil have not put the algae in a jar and observed it, as you have recommended, and they will lose their venture capital investment.

Summer of Algae (Wall Street Journal, July 14, 2009)
"Oil giant ExxonMobil’s commitment to invest $600 million in research and development alongside venture-backed Synthetic Genomics Inc. is just another in a string of recent announcements of either new fund-raises or strategic partnership with established companies."
....
“We pulled together a pretty high-powered team to look at alternative energy sources and we looked at all biofuels,” said Emil Jacobs, vice president of research and development at ExxonMobil Research and Engineering Co. After examining for ability to scale-up “meaningfully,” technical challenges, environmental impact and economics, ExxonMobil arrived at algae, Jacobs said.

Summer of Algae (Wall Street Journal, July 14, 2009)
http://blogs.wsj.com/venturecapital/2009/07/14/the-summer-of-algae/

Cyanobateria appeared 3.8 billion years ago. A cyanobacterium is a single-celled photosynthetic organism, which with the help of sunlight could make carbon dioxide and water into oxygen and energy providing chemicals.

3.8 billion years (without fossil fuel dependent fertilizers) qualifies as "sustainable" in my book... proof that algae can grow with natural NPK, without fossil fuel inputs... and now it is being scaled up by multinational corporations.

The EROEI is favorable, so ExxonMobil is spending $600,000,000 to develop it.

Just admit you are wrong, Dr. Doom, about commercial fossil-fuel-dependent N-P-K fertilizer being necessary to get energy from algae. Is that so hard to do?

Or are you going to continue to talk about high school science experiments with pond water that prove nothing about microalgae photobioreactors?

Next...

OriginOil has filed for an international patent from the United Nation's World Intellectual Property Organization. The filing is for its photobioreactor and related technology for growing algae and harvesting renewable oil.

According to the algal biofuel firm, its reactor design lowers energy costs by efficiently providing light at closely spaced intervals throughout the vessel rather than just at the surface.

Gee, filing a patent with WIPO might be another hint that the EROEI on mass microalgae oil production makes algae photobioreactos profitable...

I wonder if before filing the patent with WIPO they did the pond water in a jar experiment... and closely observed the jar.

"I predict California will look like Quebec in the seventies."

Uh....lots of people speaking French in California?!

No. Ethnic strife between Anglos and Mexicans.

Wiki sez:
Illegal immigration into the southwest states is sometimes viewed as a form of reconquista, in light of the fact that Texas statehood was preceded by an influx of illegal white settlers into that Mexican province until United States Citizens outnumbered Mexicans 10-1 and were able to take over governance of the area. The theory is that the reverse will happen as Mexicans, Native Americans, Central Americans, and First Nation peoples will eventually become so numerous in that region that they can wield substantial influence, including political power.[6]

Wiki sez:
"The Front de Libération du Québec (Quebec Liberation Front), commonly known as the FLQ, was a nationalist and Marxist revolutionary group in Quebec, Canada with at least two terrorist cells[1]. It was responsible for more than 200 bombings, including the bombing of the Montreal Stock Exchange in 1969 and the deaths of at least five people. These attacks culminated in 1970 with what is known as the October Crisis, in which British Trade Commissioner James Cross was kidnapped and Quebec Labour Minister Pierre Laporte was murdered. Founded in the early 1960s, it supported the Quebec sovereignty movement."


Asoka is a dumb-ass. I'm still waiting for Asoka to tell us why César Chávez opposing illegal immigration was wrong.

http://wavs.unclebubby.com/wav/TOONS/BeavisButthead/DUMB_ASS.WAV

ergobalance.blogspot.com/2008/02/phosphorus-shortage-for-biofuels.html
Phosphorus Shortage for Biofuels?

I read an article entitled "Peak Phosphorus" a while ago and it is referenced below. My attention was drawn back to it again by a more recent one called "Biofuels and the fertilizer problem", also referenced at the end of this posting, to the effect that there may be insufficient phosphate fertilizer to produce biofuels. Phosphorus is an essential element in all living things, from plants to you and me, along with nitrogen and potassium - known collectively as, P, N, K, in the form of micronutrients that drive growth. Global demand for phosphate rock is predicted to rise at 2.3% per year, but this is likely to increase in order to produce biomass for biofuel production.
If the transition is made to cellulosic ethanol as a fuel, because whole plants are consumed in the process, not merely the seeds etc., yet more phosphorus will be required and less of the plant (the "chaff") will be available to be returned as plant rubble after the harvest, which is a traditional and natural provider of K and P.

Now, the original Peak Phosphorus article is very interesting, if a bit doom and gloom, but only because it attests to yet another declining resource, namely phosphate rock. Similarly to the well known Hubbert Peak analysis which predicts that individual oil wells or indeed the global production of oil reaches a maximum, beyond which it declines relentlessly, a similar function can be fitted to world phosphate production. The method can be adapted in terms of the Hubbert Linearization, which I described recently (in the posting "Coal Dearth Era"), and involves plotting the annual production (P) divided by total production to date (Q), i.e. the ratio, (P/Q), against total (cumulative) production to date (Q), yielding an intercept on the x-axis which corresponds to the ultimate recoverable reserve.

The result indicates that the peak for phosphate production happened in the US in 1988 and for the world in 1989. The really telling aspect of the article is the inclusion of a plot of world oil production versus world population, for which the two quantities can be seen to follow one another closely. The conclusion is that we literally eat oil, since it underpins almost all agriculture, certainly in the developed nations, but also N and P, as required by the Green Revolution, which has preserved us from a Malthusian die-off scenario - so far, at least. Population has only grown as it has because of cheap phosphate deposits and cheap energy to produce the mineral and to get it onto farms around the world.


"Biofuels and the fertilizer problem", By Tom Philpot, Energy Bulletin, February 14th, 2008. www.energybulletin.net/print.php?id=40300
[2] "Peak phosphorus", By Patrick Dery and Bart Anderson, Energy Bulletin, August 13th, 2007. energybulletin.net/print.php?id=33164.

"How about walkable communities connected by public transit? Why is that not a focus of the "new" General Motors? ...why can't it produce the rolling stock for a renewed passenger rail system?" Another excellent suggestion from JHK, most of which are generally ignored by the ignorant. We will not give up our cars until we are forced to (peak oil will see to that), but in the meantime a possible way to slow down our gas consumption/driving spree (and this is an idea my wife came up with) would be to charge for gas on a sliding scale. If you use 5 gallons a week it costs so much per gallon. 10 gallons a week costs twice as much per gallon as 5. 20 gallons twice as much again and so forth. Use the extra money collected from gasoholics to refurbish/build more public transit. For folks who use less or no gas, give them free mass transit passes. By implementing these ideas, folks might learn to consolidate trips, car pool, take public transit or even (heaven forbid!) walk or ride a bike.

Cthulhu said: "Asoka is a dumb-ass."

Cthulu, do you think the idea behind biofuels is to simply switch from one source to another? A dumb ass might think that, but the idea behind biofuels is to extract the maximum value out of that raw material.

That is why dumb ass companies (like ExxonMobil is putting $600 million of its money on biorefineries: today's Wall Street Journal) are investing in biorefineries designed to extract all the possible useful products and not just focus on making dumb ass biofuel from organic matter.

The dumb ass idea is to turn out valuable compounds that can be used in paint, cosmetics and plastics, (to name just a few) thereby even further reducing our reliance on petroleum-based chemicals. (what a dumb ass idea!)

By extracting higher value compounds out of the dumb ass raw materials (including sewage and other waste: will we run out of that NPK?), using biorefineries, biofuels will become simply a by-product... and that shifts the dumb ass economics quite dramatically.

Asoka is a dumb-ass. I'm still waiting for Asoka to tell us why César Chávez opposing illegal immigration was wrong.

Cthulhu enjoys repeating: "Asoka is a dumb ass"

I don't know why Cesar Chavez opposed illegal immigration. Fortunately he was not able to stop it.

Today the situation is different and illegal immigrants may be the salvation of UFW because California's labor laws grant all farm workers, legal or illegal, the right to belong to a union. About 37 percent of agricultural workers are in the country illegally, up from 7 percent just a decade ago, according to Don Villarejo, director of the California Institute of Rural Studies in Davis.

When Chavez was working with the union the percentage of illegals was even less, a tiny percentage, so it makes little sense to me that he opposed illegal immigration.

Open the borders and welcome all who want to come to America, land of the free, and home of the brave!

electric vehicles etc.
I have been experimenting with several 2 and 3 wheel scooters now for over 2 years with expensive and disappointing results.I use them to go to the store about 1.5 miles from my home,go to the library and pool here in FL.I follow the charging routine to the letter and all Batts have the right kind of charger.The Batts are all LSAs of various AH.On top of that I had to buy 32 golf cart batts for my solar array,because the greed ridden electric co.TECO,decided to change to digital meters,which makes YOU pay for the power you feed back in on top of the power you use.So I decided to run my setup completely separate from them.
As of today I have replaced 8 vehicle batts at a cost of 300 plus bucks,not counting the sulfated ones the dealers replaced for free.You see these Vehicles sitting crated in warehouses with batts installed,and nobody bothers to give them an occasional charge,they loose capacity big time.
So my recommendation,DON'T buy anything that runs on batts,like the VOLT.
To me it's almost like a conspiracy,the elite tries to keep you within 20 miles of your home,so it can find you when you need another screwing.

Rather depressing posting this week and I tried hard to convince myself how JHK and all his ilk are wrong, that we are on the verge of redemption and endless prosperity once again.

But I can't. More and more the stories even in the mainstream press are reflective of the hard reality coming our way. Add in all the information I have been learning from JHK's books and the truth is impossible to ignore.

In our little right wing Canadian community some of us have tried for years to bring what we've called an alternative voice to our neighbours, but it's mostly been in vain. They have shown us repeatedly that they don't want to know anything that might disrupt their little lives, or upset their false sense of security.

I am convinced we need to develop a very LOUD VOICE to counteract the MSM if we are to have any hope of waking people up to the truth in time. It seems impossible, but then if we don't try we are truly doomed.

Assuming we won't suddenly have billions of dollars at our disposal to spread the real news around, we will just have to continue as best we can, whether people look at us like we're crazy when we speak or not. I've gotten used to it after all this time!

In solidarity,
Deb O.

you know,at the moment algae don't seem to excite me too much.What concerns me at this moment are the thousands and thousands of plastic caskets parked just outside Atlanta.
Will there be enough of them to bury all those moron fatasses that are going to check out not too long from now and..will they be big enough to hold all that lard?

Asoka is a dumb-ass. I'm still waiting for Asoka to tell us why César Chávez opposing illegal immigration was wrong.

I don't know why Cesar Chavez opposed illegal immigration. Fortunately he was not able to stop it.

Ok. But that is not the question I asked.
NOT why did C.Chávez oppose illegal immigration, but why was his position wrong.

Asoka,you obviously have a few cups missing in your cupboard.
Have you thought of getting some professional help?
For you it will probably be free,since it may fall under the Disability Act,serving the insane and people who's eyes are too close together.

«What concerns me at this moment are the thousands and thousands of plastic caskets parked just outside Atlanta.»

Funzel, you have a linky? Or better yet, a location? I'm not that far from Atlanta, and have a long weekend coming up, so I could scoot down there & have a looky.


Here is the reason to get excited about algae. With current domestic production scenarios more arable land than exists in the entire United States would be required to meet 100% of US diesel and distillate annual demand.

Land-based crops

Soybean Crop
113 (Gal/ha oil yield)
531 (Land area needed)

Canola Crop
314 (Gal/ha oil yield)
191 (Land area needed)

Microalgae (70% lipid)
36,165 (Gal/ha oil yield)
1.659 (Land area needed)

ALGAE: MORE YIELD, LESS LAND USED

Add to that for every ton of algal biomass produced, approximately 1.83 tons of carbon dioxide are fixed while petroleum diesel carries a massive negative balance. And waste containing NPK can be recycled in the process. It is a win-win-win situation that is SUSTAINABLE.

SOURCE: National Biodiesel Board. 2007. US biodiesel production capacity. Washington, D.C.: NBB.

Cthulhu said: "NOT why did C.Chávez oppose illegal immigration, but why was his position wrong."

Because it completely impractical to try to stop Mexicans from coming back to the land that was taken from them by force in a war.

Because this country was founded by immigrants from Europe, built my immigrants and slaves from Asia and Africa. It is a diverse country rich in many heritages all of which have contributed. It is wrong to draw a line, now that all your family has immigrated, and say "now we are going to severely limit the number of legal immigrants allowed"... it just doesn't work that way, it hasn't worked that way, it will never work that way...

History has shown this. That is why Cesar Chavez was wrong.

God bless multicultural America, including the "illegals" who work harder than the citizens and are net contributors to the economy.

"I love the folks who helped get us in this mess and then suddenly say, 'Well, this is Obama's economy,'

That's fine. Give it to me. My job is to solve problems, not to stand on the sidelines and harp and gripe."

President Barack Hussein Obama, speaking to an outdoor crowd at Macomb Community College.

"Have you thought of getting some professional help?
For you it will probably be free..."

Your ad hominem will go unanswered. I do not respond in kind to personal attacks and will not namecall or insult.

What kind of professional help are you suggesting I get? I feel fine. I am happy.

Thank you for your concern, nonetheless.

I am enjoying this land of freedom. It needs to remain free for all (including undocumented workers).

Enjoy every day.

My apologies if this has already been discussed but the Attorney General's office might be wise to hire William K. Black to open an investigation on GS and the other crony capitalists who have pulled off the greatest swindle in the history of mankind. See interview here:

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html

Been a fan of JHK since the geography of nowhere days but posting for the first time. Cheers!

Because it completely impractical to try to stop Mexicans from coming back to the land that was taken from them by force in a war.

1. No fence needed. Sanctions on employers of illegals would do the trick.
2. No Mexicans were deported when the Mexican-American war was over. They'd also be quite old by now.

Because this country was founded by immigrants from Europe, built by immigrants and slaves from Asia and Africa. It is a diverse country rich in many heritages all of which have contributed.

3.And was also built by immigrants from Europe.
CTHULHU is an old Irish name, you know, "No CTHULHUS NEED APPLY"

It is wrong to draw a line, now that all your family has immigrated, and say "now we are going to severely limit the number of legal immigrants allowed"... it just doesn't work that way, it hasn't worked that way, it will never work that way...

4."limit the number of legal immigrants"
legal?
Don't try to change the subject, Dumbass.
Don't try to change my words, Dumbass.
You were doing so good up to this point, actually engaging in a conversation.
5.Actually, the number of Legal Immigrants allowed by law has flucuated throughout American history. From the 1920s to the 1960's there was a lull.
6.What's you point? We can't change what we have been doing? I thought you were for change we can believe in. If so, then obviously, we can change what we do, if the situation calls for it.
7.So you think that America owes the world's poor the right to come here? Even if a billion third worlders came here, most of the world's poor would still be left at home.
8.America has enough jobless people. America has enough poor people. Why do you think it is fair for an illegal immigrant to deflate the wages, and increase the costs for low income citizens born here?

"Don't try to change the subject, Dumbass.
Don't try to change my words, Dumbass.
You were doing so good up to this point, actually engaging in a conversation."

There is no motivation to have a conversation with someone who resorts to name calling.

Most people opposed to illegal immigration would prefer the number of illegal immigrants be zero.

It would not make sense to say "severely limit the number of illegal immigrants", it would be like saying "severely limit zero immigrants" hence the use of the word "legal".

I wasn't changing the subject or changing your words. I was respecting mathematics and the impossibility of limiting zero.

"The approaching Crisis will be sparked by known existing threats that have been ignored and discounted by our Baby Boom leaders. These known threats include titanic current deficits, colossal unfunded future liabilities, and unavoidable Peak Oil. As the economy continues to hemorrhage jobs, Congress will do what they do best and spend billions more on stimulus pork. As the National Debt approaches $15 trillion in 2012, a spectacular collapse of the U.S. dollar becomes more likely. By 2012 the world will realize that Peak Oil is a fact. As demand outstrips supply, prices will rise dramatically. This is when a catalytic event is likely to plunge us into a harsh Winter of darkness and death. As the U.S. economy begins to collapse under the weight of debt and oil shortages, a terrorist attack using nuclear or biological weapons on U.S. soil would plunge the country into chaos. Other possible triggers could be a natural disaster such as an earthquake that destroys significant portions of California or a hurricane that destroys oil rigs and ?refineries in the Gulf of Mexico. Significant oil shortages will bring commerce to a halt. Food shortages would occur within a week of oil supply disruptions, as most of the food in our stores must be delivered by truck. As real unemployment reaches 25%, interest rates soar, and the dollar becomes worthless, civil unrest will breakout and the Department of Homeland Security will be called upon to fight and imprison its fellow citizens."

http://www.nolanchart.com/article6625.html

To Asoka who quoted President Obama as saying, "I love the folks who helped get us in this mess and then suddenly say, 'Well, this is Obama's economy.' "

Yes, I agree. There's plenty of blame going back: Wilson sucked it up for his role in the creation of the Federal Reserve, Eisenhower sucked for creating an interstate highway system that assumed constant prosperity and endless oil, Reagan sucked for selling off the country to privitization pimps, Clinton sucked for NAFTA, and Bush Jr. was a dumbass.

And, despite his rhetoric, Obama sucks for his ball-less sack.

Yeah, yeah, great speeches, I know. He says wants universal health care, doesn't like global warming and is disappointed in the banksters. Yawn.

Big dreams -- like the algae-bloom fantasy being tossed about -- can't be realized if there is no money left in the system. If, in a future America with a true unemployment rate of, say, 50 percent, where the would-be genius inventor is busy every day slaving away in the fields, he's not going to invent anything.

We need to save money for people like him in the future, instead of pissing it away on Wall Street in the present. Please President Obama and Congress, stop the bailouts and do what's right. Here are some suggestions:

1. Kill the FED (which is basically giving firms money to pay back the TARP and thus keep regulations at bay)

2. Let the tanking big Wall Street institutions go bankrupt

3. Bust up the remainders that are too big to fail and spread the wealth around to local or regional institutions

4. Outlaw blind credit default swaps (and regulate the hell out of the standard swaps) -- and flat-out refuse to use the current bailouts to pay them back

5. Ban collateralized debt obligations and mortgage-backed securities that reach a certain size

6. Preach a new paradigm based on sustainability; promote the Voluntary Human Extinction Project (e.g., lower the damn population)

7. Send some Wall Street assholes to jail -- thousands of them

8. Beg the American public for forgiveness and then resign

Asoka, I am trying, really trying.
Of course you attempted to change my words. It is there for all to see. They can easily see what I wrote, and how you attempted to mis-represent what I wrote. You are a dumbass if you don't understand this. 'Illegal immigrant' is not the same as 'legal immigrant'. They are concepts 180 degrees apart. But what the fuck do you care? You have already said you see nothing wrong with 12 illegals sharing a one bedroom apartment. You have no consideration for the poor of this country. Illegals are used to bust unions. No problembo for Asoka, he is not a meat cutter in Des Moines. Illegals cut grass and trim hedges, and get paid cash- no problembo para Senor Asoka, he isn't the anglo lanscaper that pays Workers Comp and unemployement taxes. Free enterprise! Liberty for all!

SUNG TO THE TUNE OF ' I DREAM OF GENIE'

I DREAM OF POND SCUM WITH THE LITE GREEN HAIR'
....a green / sustainable lullaby for a dying planet

I found this on craigs list....some of the joe 6 packs are very angry
WHAT ABOUT WHEN ALL THE 50 STATES HAVE UNEMPLOYMENT RATES LIKE MICHIGANS???


Calderon Declare that he URGES Mexicos UNWANTED classes to come here. He PUBLICLY stated these wishes to the world on TV a year or so back.

RE: JOE LEGAL vs JOSE ILLEGAL (CALIFORNIA)

MY LETTER TO THE WHITE HOUSE

Please, please, please tell me why The United States of America, once greatest nation on the globe is allowing the Third World to Invade and essentially degrade the once golden state of California. A place that all of America once would have killed to get to for what we offered. Now the only people wanting what we have are poor, illiterate and mostly POVERTY importing Latinos from Central America and Mexico.

And they shove their arrogance in our faces demanding AMNESTY? for shoving in line in front of the REST OF THE ENTIRE WORLD that legally applies for citizenship here. Can you explain this? Invite Obama out to Los Angeles....Someone please, invite him here. We have a racist Mayor that bends the laws for the people he refers to as "The Race", Latinos....NOT the globe, but LATINOS. Have Obama come here and tour the once American Clean Safe and Wonderful communities that are now Mirror like Mexican Slums of NON assimilation.

Imagine me moving to another country for a BETTER way of life for ME , and then ME having the NERVE not to respect that country and all it offers. But rather, Tag the holy living sh!t out of it, spread gang culture, and trash the American Communities they move into rather than improve them.

Show me the good of FAILING to even Practice SAFE SEX in TODAYS Horrendously overpopulated city called Los Angeles. Show me the sense of that. I will show you that ONLY the poor Latinos come here and give birth like they are literally in a breeding contest. NO respect for the planet or the future of OUR region in Southern California.

You won't read this... You don't F_cking care! You care about slave wages earned by these desperate poverty importing people that prop up big business.

Well this city IS the Third World now....thanks to an UNSUSTAINABLE influx of Mostly Latino Poor and Uneducated, limited skills people.

And imagine...to have Calderon Declare that he URGES Mexicos UNWANTED classes to come here. He PUBLICLY stated these wishes to the world on TV a year or so back.

The nerve of that?

It's like an act of war.

Los Angeles is the third world. Breeding, gangs, lowering of ALL standards, eradication of our schools..... a now LOST but once vibrant state.

It turns my stomach....and what will this administration do? Nothing.....just dance on the grave of this once beautiful state.

America is dying thanks to the greed of corporations and the influential rich.

How deplorable

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fun vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WccPO-lkK8I

the looting will continue

if ya wanna see a worthwhile documentary see
DIMMING THE SUN

One reason I support zero illegal immigration is, as I wrote before in a reference to Quebec, a society divided by cultural differences is more likely to suffer ethnic violence. See above for evidence.

Well, this isn't the first time the country's been through this, it's the umpteenth time... The entire financial manipulation, which finally clarified 20 years of fed watching and the power structure of america, was pulled together in "The Creature from Jekyll Island". When you read that book, and compare the happenings now, to what is described there, you don't need a crystal ball, you have the script in hand. Of course GS made out like bandits, they are the penultimate bandits, as the rolling stone article points out. I'm with you Jim, where the hell are the indictments??!!

Bravo Cthulu, you have said it and said it very well: illegal immigration is a great scourge that has destroyed California and would by itself eventually destroy all of America. As if we didn't have a few other problems as well...After all a very large ship can be sunk by a rather small hole...But what about legal immigration? Well let's face it, that's also completely out of control. America lost about half a million or more
every month over the last six months although June may have been a little better. And during those six months, 150,000 foreign workers were brought in every month. Madness. A goverment that has no loyalty to its people cannot ask any loyalty from them. And the takeover of programing by South Asians is a travesty. Some people make a living teaching companies how to get around the few regulations that exist to hire Americans first. We are being colonized not just by Central America and the Carribean, but also by South Asia and East Asia. Why?
Well there is an answer and its very dark. When the gates were opened with the Hart/Cellar bill in 1965, it marked over a half century of effort by the Jewish Elite. Ted Kennedy was just the front man. They financed it and kept it alive decade after decade. Read the whole sordid tale in Peter Brimelow's "Alien Nation". And their motivation? In a chaotic, multicultural, multiracial, "rainbow" society, they can easily come out on top. A few caveats: yes it is good for
"business" too; in other words, creating a global microcosm here will help creat a real global society hopefully with themselves on top. And yes, their fellow travelers, the Yankee Pirates are with them all the way on this.
They admitted what they were doing at the time in their "in house" journals such as Commentary Magazine. But they told themselves it was just self defence-White Americans after all were just Nazis wating to happen. A fine thank you to the people who defeated their enemies in Europe; fine treatment of the Nation that welcomed them and where they prospered. Was it really self defence that lead them to change America forever for the worse, or were they just unwilling to confront their own darkness? It's a moot point now. They are now consciously and proudly 100% committed to a non-White future for America.

I am perplexed by JHK's continuing faith in Obama and the Democratic Party to save us. Before the election I heard enough from Independent media sources to know that we were damned -no matter which party won the White House. The new president has so far lived up to those very low expectations. As someone who was not duped into voting for the Hope and Change snake salesmen of Obama/Biden, I suffer no cognitive dissonance now as they show their true colors.

Jim, under the circumstances, there is nothing wrong with cynicism [the definition of a cynic is a disappointed idealist]. Cynicism is the logical response to bad leadership.

I agree with others here that the mob will be misdirected by the Wurlitzer media machine from the true culprits toward easier targets such as immigrants [just read the posts here for proof], Jews, blacks, hispanics, gays, women and yes, Democrats, no matter how hard they shamelessly try to shed the liberal label with their me-too conservatism.

If the Republican Party is "the party that wrecked America" then the Democrats are "the party that betrayed America" for falsely claiming to oppose them while assisting them all along. Nevertheless the Democrats alone will be blamed in the end. Poetic justice.

Perspective is correct. The economy and culture need to change. I can see where I live there are many more people walking.

Also more people using parks in their neighborhoods for exercise and recreation. Creates a positive social environment.

Watching television though or other media sources it is business as usual. Little has changed.

The dream of economic prosperity is shoved down our throats. It just ain't going to happen. We have gone too far.

So much emotion about Obama...

I guess 6 months is all anyone would need to clean up the mess he inherited.

As far as telling the truth, or trying to really change anything, well... The Kennedy brothers took bullets for their troubles. Lesson learned.

JFK actually signed an executive order to abolish the Federal Reserve. LBJ immediately rescinded it. The media didn't find it worthy of more than passing mention.

All the marionettes are controlled by the same puppeteer. We get to vote for one of the puppets, and call it democracy.

Leaving the party early is much easier than trying to leave just one minute too late.

"...but in the meantime a possible way to slow down our gas consumption/driving spree (and this is an idea my wife came up with) would be to charge for gas on a sliding scale. If you use 5 gallons a week it costs so much per gallon. 10 gallons a week costs twice as much per gallon"

Sweet Jesus are you and your wife really this stupid? If you use 5 gallons a week and I use 10 I am already spending twice as much money as you. That means I have that much less money to spend on all of life's other expenses. Now why is it that by using your brilliant plan I should have to spent 4 x's more for fuel than you. What the hell are you contributing to the betterment of mankind that should entitle you to such largesse?

Don't you (and your dullard wife) yet understand that a surfeit of regulation has brought us to where we stand, namely in the quick-mud of entitlement strangulation. Enough. Shut up. Take your sliding scale and slide up your own ass.

"Most people opposed to illegal immigration would prefer the number of illegal immigrants be zero."


Duuuuuuuuuuuuh. What an imbecilic FUCKTARD. Not fucking shit. If a person is against an illegal practice they are not against some but rather ALL.

Anyone NOT opposed to ILLEGAL immigration supports all of the illegalities associated with the practice. If you are FOR illegal immigration than you are supporting the human trafficing, slavery, prostitution, blackmail, drug smuggling, kid-napping, extortion and often death that go along with illegal immigration. Sweet shit asoka-the-producers, you are supposed to be so high minded, with such a sterling reputation for all things moral. You have really let me down. I am shocked. (NOT! Fucking moron.)

"I guess 6 months is all anyone would need to clean up the mess he inherited."

No rational person expected Dear Leader to fix everything in 6 months. The problem is that the actions that have been taken in the first 6 months will not solve the "mess" if given 60 years, or for that matter, 600 years. You do not fix an over bloated, corrupt, system by making it larger and more corrupt. Chicago style is a lose-lose from day one.

You rob the banks because that's where the money is. You rob the rich because you want them to pay for national health care, the filthy bastards. Will the folks who gave large sums to elect the Kingfish be OK with this? Will they gladly pay the 5.4% projected to be their donation to the health plan? Will they stay friends with the Kingfish after being tapped for the extra, filthy lucre? If so, why didn't they voluntarily give extra money to past governments just for shits and giggles? Answer...the Kingfish is raping them for the extra dough, they have no choice. If you were hit up for protection money by a neighborhood tough, would you be happy to pay his fee? Higher taxes mean less money to support the highly important consumer economy, currently 70% of the GNP. People who defend the Kingfish obviously are not paying his tax surcharges. They are most likely hoping to get MORE than they put into the system....just like gamblers at a casino.

When close to 50% pay NO income tax what do you get? Apathy. Who gives a fuck when taxes are raised when you pay NONE? So, if I'm a Dimmotwat, I can expect close to 100% loyalty from those who contribute nothing in the way of income tax. Pretty cool huh? No tickee, no laundry. No taxation...no give-a-shit. Muy perfecto.

THANKS FOR REMINDING ME

'JFK actually signed an executive order to abolish the Federal Reserve. LBJ immediately rescinded it. The media didn't find it worthy of more than passing mention'

The rumor mill says 2 us presidents have been killed for opposing , the, uh,banking powers that be..
lincoln for not taking bankers $$ to rebuild after Civil war
kennedy for the above

again thats rumors

AND NOW WE HAVE CAP n TRADE...SURE HOPE jhK HAS TIME TO STUDY AND REPORT ON...i dont

Chicago style..is the pun intended ?

A semi employed union carpenter from C town said
' i knew Obama id be an obamination cause i know how politics works in Ctown...i hope rod B blows the whistle on Obama , the jacksons etc but it wont happen'

Obama is going to do nothing against the banks or the former administration. They are all part of the same mafia family. To think otherwise is naive in my opinion. I Enjoy your articles and believe most of what you say, but there is no "hope" that the current administration will be any different than the previous. The international banksters own them all. Thanks. MJB

FOOL

I usually ignore 'A's postings...they seem to be the ramblings of an Indian? cornucopenian

but this one
"I am enjoying this land of freedom. It needs to remain free for all (including undocumented workers).'

are you so stupid as to think that a nation without borders will survive much longer?

if you do ask chandra levis family..or the bologna family in sanctuary city SF


aszasz said: "When close to 50% pay NO income tax what do you get?" You get off-shore tax havens.

50%? It is more like 90% of corporations engage in tax evasion.

90 percent of large corporations -- with at least $250 million in assets or $50 million in gross receipts -- reported owing taxes of only under 5 percent?

The law requires firms to pay 35 percent tax on U.S. profits. But corporations manage to NOT PAY BILLIONS in taxes. Do you wish you knew the corporate secret?

Is your town or state suffering from service cutbacks because tax revenues are down? Would you like to cut your tax bite from the current 15 to 35 percent to 5 percent or zero? How do corporations do it?

""I am enjoying this land of freedom. It needs to remain free for all..."

Freaking asoka-the-producers believes in freedumb. How touching. As long as all his needs are provided to him for free. And as long as those advancing his beliefs remain as dumb as he. Sounds like a plan to me.

"Is your town or state suffering from service cutbacks because tax revenues are down?"

No,actually. They are suffering cutbacks because they became too bloated with the asokas of the world (Those who take, take, take and can never be given enough.)and they pissed away a more than adequate amount of tax revenues.

I think Obama knows full well what's going on, but is being whipped by "The Man", that is, The Man referring to the Corportocracy, as it were. Here is a great article in Rolling Stone by Matt Taibbi:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/28816321/the_great_american_bubble_machine

Peace,
Grant

When I read Jim's article, I was going to point out that, much as we want to believe in some sort of karma, or cosmic justice, it ain't gonna happen.

The dispossessed will go after the more dispossessed, not the possessors. Immigrants, welfare mothers, minorities, etc. etc.

But so many people who got here before I did pointed that out, and, as if on cue, a frothing right winger shows up to prove it. aszasz, cursing, spitting and flailing, is a perfect example of what will happen when the food is in short supply. Get the brown people!! Cause the rich people are who give us jobs!!

And the total confusion about why illegal immigrants are allowed into this country. Same reason our forefathers were allowed to immigrate here. Cheap labor. To believe that the government should be on "our" side shows again how totally confused aszasa is. The government is on the side of the rich. The rich make more money when the poor work for less wages. Therefore, desperate people are brought to the US to work for lousy wages. The government is not going to put a stop to that, any more than they're going to prosecute Goldman Sachs for looting, or the Bushies for war crimes.

Grow up, aszasa. You're being screwed by the rich, and your position kneeling before them in supplication and admiration makes it much easier. You could say that your willingness to bend over and kiss their feet is the lube that never runs out.

Dow up 256 points. Yup, businesses just hate the O man.

BTW, Wage, don't bother with assass. It's his third account after the first 2 got banned for trolling, flaming, and just generally being a huge douche bag. No one pays much attention to him any more.

Some writers in this website insist Obama is running a transparent presidency. Let's take a look at our new Surgeon General candidate. While being given stellar accolades for her selflessness, persistence, humanity serving, and her view that doctors should work for free, I note that Regina Benjamin belongs to an organization called Physicians for Human Rights. Trouble is, rights for whom? I looked up the website and found, voila!!, that this was an organization that sought investigation and prosecution of W and his bad boys. The home page was filled with left wing activist articles that fit right into Obama's definition of "selfless". This woman doctor is rooted in the Alinsky mode, just like Sotomayor...what a coincidence. Read up on this website, see for yourself. She's an America hating, America bashing individual, just right for you folks that proudly voted for our Prez...she held high office in the organization, and I am NOT misjudging what she and her organization of thugs stand for. Democrats like Sonia Sotomayor insist they can say anything and WE simply misstate what we think they are saying. I mean, we are stupid, she's brilliant like all Democrats chosen by the One.
Go to the PHR website, then report back to Clusterfuck Nation and tell us all what you saw and if you are happy with this "hardworking, honest doctor who drips with altruism".

Aw, poor baby. Should I go get my violin, bahmi?

turkle, how do you judge one day's transactions on the stock market as being indicative of wonderful things forever? Did you make big money today off the increase? What businesses were hugely aided by this increase? All of them? My business didn't jump today as a result, neither did any of the businesses down the street. But turkle, you obviously know so much more than the rest of us. I just can't figure out what you are trying to say, neither can anybody else. Islam is about jihad, Obama worship is your gig.

"She's an America hating, America bashing individual"

Yet you feel it is okay to constantly whine about Obama and his administration day after day on this blog. Obama has introduced positive change in many areas, all of which you choose to ignore. You find nothing good to say about him, and none of your arguments has much substance. Something about Marcus Garvey in reverse...sorry, I don't get it.

What do you like to call that, brati, your tough love for America?

And, yeah, you got my number. I worship Obama. I have a shrine dedicated to him to which I pray daily for government-sponsored health care.

Oh, I'm sorry, we're only allowed to say business doesn't like Obama when the stock market goes down. My bad on that one.

GOLDMAN SACHS

THANKS JIM
'Buddy Can You Spare Five Trillion

...I want to direct the attention of those in the US finance industry to a white paper written by Themis Trading, called “Toxic Equity Trading Order Flow '

Heard 'Coast2coast' radio last nite, gerald celente was talking GS...and they made a profit..he also pointe dout how many Whitehouse insiders have worked there!!!

more names than i can remember!!!

and whats this about makin a profit even when share price stays the same?

along with ' naked shorts' and cap n trade seems like things arent so good...

the markets shot up today...supposedly because the 'attrition rate' of card / debtors has slowed!!!

this as 1 in 10 cards is delinquent!!!!!!!!!!

UK

is the UK in a depression?

jim rogers formerly of soros and rogers said it is and was willing to blame peak oil for it...
odd for someone who wrote a best seller from the perspective of a cornucopean!

FUNZEL

to the un initiated this may seem like a dumb one but
WHY ARE SEGWAYS SO UNPOPULAR?

10? years ago the buzz was they would revolutionize city travel

K Gleason,

JHK talked about the Segway on The KunstlerCast last year. It was during a podcast about PRT.


the Segway was a very interesting kind of analog to that. You know, another personal transportation device that costs a huge amount of money, like $3,000 or something or more maybe. And was it better than a bicycle? ... the Segway was a good idea for people who are disabled, let’s say, for one reason or another; you know, too old. But the idea that normal people need a prosthetic extension for walking around, that was also kind of nuts.

To Turkle: So what the DOW goes up a couple hundred points in a single day. That just means we are being fucked over a little more by Wall Street. The DOW never had much relation to reality, but now -- with TARP and FED infusions to Wall Street -- it really doesn't mean shit to the real world. Ship jobs to China, the DOW goes up. A company finds a way to hide its assets offshore, the DOW goes up. There's a new way to shirk environmental oblgiations, the DOW goes up. A country is found where pedophilia is legal and nine-year-olds can work for one cent an hour, you guessed it -- the motherfuckin' DOW goes up.

Fuck the DOW. Pay attention to the unemployment rate.

And to all the racist assholes in here. Learn to think critically and meet more people. Say, hypothetically, your assessments of Mexicans, Jews, blacks, etc. are somewhat accurate -- e.g., that they lack class, are greedy, lower the collective standard, etc. Don't you think there are minorities out there who are worth liking? Even if, say, a whopping 90 percent of Mexicans out there are doing all the bad things you imagine (which they're not), doesn't that mean there are 10 percent out there that meet your high, all-knowing Aryan standards?

If that's the case, why take away someone's individuality? Do you really think all Jews are rich, all Mexicans have 12 kids, all blacks don't have jobs, and all white people are hard-working, educated and morally superior?

If so, you are a total dumbass.

I come on here and badmouth Obama for selling out to Wall Street, and then some dude starts going off about Zionist conspiracies in Hollywood and Chicano crime rates. And I'm like, oh great, apparently people think I'm talking shit about Obama because of his race, not his lack of stones.

Sure, there are criminal illegals and criminal black people (and white people) out there, but there are social-historical issues that in many cases -- though not all -- contribute to those trends.

That's what JHK's blog is about, society, how to create one so we don't have social decay, racially based or not.

OK, time for another Budweiser.

Obamarama is same old same old. As for Goldman Sachs, they were the authors of the 29 crash and made out like bandits much as they have with the current disaster.

Jaego Scorzne posted:

"As for the masses, they aren't supposed to be
voting at all, at least not past the local level.
Remember this was built as a Republic not a Dem-
ocracy.... The masses are ignorant and clueless- and always will be mass media or not. The Founding Fathers loathed Democracy. Loathed it."

I totally agree with your sentiments. But one caveat on your history, the American Republic was killed off between 1810 and 1850 by the movement for "Universal White Male Suffrage" or as I like to call it, Civil Rights for Dumb Guys. This movement abolished the traditional property qualifications for the vote and along the way, pretty much destroyed the idea that there should be any qualifications at all. Everything that has gone awry in America since then is in some degree a consequence of this fundamental mistake. Ridiculous, socially suicidal ideas like giving the vote to convicts or illegal immigrants are direct descendants of the UWMS doctrine.

Asoka posted:
"Even illegal immigrants have a stake in how elections turn out, so they should be allowed to vote."

Following your logic,

Little children should have a right to vote in the financial affairs of their parents;

Retarded people should have a right to vote in the running of their asylums;

Convicts should have a right to vote in the administration of their prisons;

Animals should have a right to vote in the operation of their ranches.

James, I think you are way too idealistic for your own good. This is America. SInce when do obese people walk anywhere except from their car or truck to a shopping cart, at which point, they lean on the handle with all their upper body weight and then propel it down the aisle with their big fat legs.

Ride a tram? Take a train? Listen, even now the rail companies don't let you take your bicycle on the train unless it is boxed. What is with that? They don't want sustainability! You can put your bike on the front of many buses but can't put it on a train so once you get off, you can ride it!

You bring up very good ideas for an nation driven toward sustainability, but it won't be the US.

Electric cars will be as close as it gets. This nation has way too many small towns which rely on the 4-wheeled containers. The nation is going broke. It cannot even hold on to its public transit networks.

http://eye-on-washington.blogspot.com

Shane said: "Following your logic,

Little children should have a right to vote in the financial affairs of their parents;

Retarded people should have a right to vote in the running of their asylums;

Convicts should have a right to vote in the administration of their prisons;

Animals should have a right to vote in the operation of their ranches."

First of all, thank you for a very interesting comment.

However, the context of my previous comment pertained to the election of public political representatives. Parents, insane asylum managers, prison managers, and are not elected to be public representatives as senators and congressmen are. Animals never hold public office or run for public office because they cannot even express interest in voting.

Nonetheless, in the case of elections of human beings who are elected as representatives to public legislatures, people who are affected by the laws legislatures pass should have the right to vote.

And yes, that means any and all children who are interested enough in voting to ask to register should be allowed to register to vote. Insane asylum residents should definitely be allowed to vote, as should convicts.

It is not democracy when you start excluding whole classes of people who want to from casting a vote in the election box.

Shane said: "Following your logic,

Little children should have a right to vote in the financial affairs of their parents;

Retarded people should have a right to vote in the running of their asylums;

Convicts should have a right to vote in the administration of their prisons;

Animals should have a right to vote in the operation of their ranches."

First of all, thank you for a very interesting comment.

However, the context of my previous comment pertained to the election of public political representatives. Parents, insane asylum managers, and prison managers are not elected to be public representatives for society as a whole as senators and congressmen are. Animals never hold public office or run for public office because they cannot even express interest in voting.

Nonetheless, in the case of elections of human beings who are elected as representatives to public legislatures, people who are affected by the laws legislatures pass should have the right to vote.

And yes, that means any and all children who are interested enough in voting to ask to register should be allowed to register to vote. Insane asylum residents should definitely be allowed to vote, as should convicts.

It is not democracy when you start excluding whole classes of people who want to from casting a vote in the election box.

[loved that video by the way… I linked to it a year or two ago on my own blog]

«And to all the racist assholes in here. Learn to think critically and meet more people.»

If they could think, let alone critically, they wouldn't be racists. If they weren't afraid of anything not just like themselves, they'd already have met more people.

Don't waste your time with them. God will forgive or judge them (and you, and me) on The Day as He sees fit.

Asoka says:
"It is not democracy when you start excluding whole classes of people who want to from casting a vote in the election box."
------------------------------------------------
While what you say is true, we do not have a pure democracy, I think the content of your post is a good example of why a "pure" democracy is no better an idea than "pure" capitalism.

"Therefore, desperate people are brought to the US to work for lousy wages."

Oh, and you think this is alright. You support this exploitation? What an asshole!

Turkle sez:

"Dow up 256 points. Yup, businesses just hate the O man."

He wants to cite one days activity as if that is indicative of anything! Bwahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahah. (What a marooon)

Jimmie posits the question:

"Why doesn't President Obama direct him to open an investigation of Goldman Sachs's behavior in the area of securities fraud, insider trading, and misuse of goverment funds?"


I've posted a roster of GS alumni below. I've only included those who have or are currently serving in government posts (elected or appointed, U.S. and other countries). There are, of course many in the private sector that exercise a huge influence, on the public sector. This is why, Jim, there will be no forthcoming investigation of Goldman.


• Henry H. Fowler - 58th United States Secretary of the Treasury (1965-1969)
• Robert Rubin - Former United States Treasury Secretary, ex-Chairman of Citigroup.
• Henry Paulson - Former United States Treasury Secretary.
• Joshua Bolten - former White House Chief of Staff
• Jon Corzine - Governor of the State of New Jersey.
• Robert Zoellick - United States Trade Representative (2001-2005), Deputy Secretary of State (2005-2006), World Bank President.
• Neel Kashkari - former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Financial Stability
• Malcolm Turnbull - Australian politician, currently the federal leader of the Liberal Party of Australia.
• Reuben Jeffery III, Under Secretary of State for Economic, Business, and Agricultural Affairs (2007-)
• Romano Prodi, Prime Minister of Italy twice (1996-1998 and 2006-2008) and President of the European Commission (1999-2004)[83]
• Mario Draghi, governor of the Bank of Italy (2006- )[83]
• Massimo Tononi, Italian deputy treasury chief (2006-2008)[83]

dale said: "While what you say is true, we do not have a pure democracy, I think the content of your post is a good example of why a "pure" democracy is no better an idea than "pure" capitalism."

Dale, I am only talking about pure representative democracy, where everyone who expresses an interest should be allowed to vote for a representative.

Pure democracy would be a direct democracy where every issue is voted on by everyone, not just by representatives, kind of like the New England town meetings except it would be set up for vote via computers and people could do daily voting on issues from the comfort of their own home or from computers at libraries, senior centers, polling places, etc. You would use you SSN or TIN to log in.

In any event, what is the fear of pure democracy? Do you think the vote of "illegals" or residents of insane asylums or prisons would be, in the aggregate, statistically different from the voting profile of the population currently voting? Anyone physically here, legally or illegally, in prison or out, 99 years old or 9 years old, should have the right to vote, on a voluntary basis, if they express interest in voting.

People talk a lot about FREEDOM but a simple proposal to allow people the freedom to vote is viewed as not workable. Freedom is not workable?


aszasz....wherever and who ever you may be
i am male...dunno yr gender even

A HUGE THANK YOU

AND IS THE GUY
whos on public radio so much...teches at uc berkeley...was a czar of sorts in clinton admin
rob rubin? richard rubin?
was he gs?

if yr in l.a. and interested in solar/ wind the junior colleges now have classes

from a course catalog


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PV1, Introduction to Solar Energy System 3 units

Prerequisite: None.

Students will gain a basic understanding of the introductory principles of solar photovoltaic systems and renewable energy alternatives. Basic electrical theory, the variables of PV system design, and capacity requirements for photovoltaic systems will be reviewed. Topics will include the scientific principles, materials and manufacturing, system components, codes, energy efficiency, and safe installation procedures for each technology. Students will examine the economic, regulatory, and infrastructure issues affecting the adoption of solar technologies, as well as their potential in solving energy and environmental problems.

Asoka said: "People talk a lot about FREEDOM but a simple proposal to allow people the freedom to vote is viewed as not workable."

We spend billions on a military empire and our rhetoric says we are "defending freedom" but then we deny the freedom to vote to whole classes of people: children, convicts, illegals, the insane, etc. In Florida people who had names similar to names of released convicts were denied the right to vote, resulting in the illegitimate presidency of George W. Bush.

So our so-called democracy is a sham and our soldiers are dying in vain to protect corporate interests, Wall Street interests. The soldiers are certainly not dying for democracy or freedom.

asoka-the-producers sez:

"... but then we deny the freedom to vote to whole classes of people: children, convicts, illegals, the insane, etc.''

You are a moron of incalculable depth. One must be cognizant of what or for whom one is voting. Children and the insane certainly would not have a grasp of the issues, the candidates or the impact of their choices on the greater society. (Sort of like you, asoka.)

Illegals are umm, how do I say this, oh yeah, fucking illegal. They should have the "right" to consume enough oxygen to take them to the nearest bus station or airport and get the fuck out of Dodge.

Convicts, after paying their debt to society, should have the right to vote with one exception. Anyone participating in and found guilty of voter fraud should be banned from voting for life.

That is all, moron. No need to reply. I am right on this matter, you sir, once again, are a M-O-R-O-N.

The only shortage of voters we ever experience is a shortage of informed voters. The pin-heads come out of the woodwork, particularly during Presidential runs, because special interest groups (examp. ACORN) go down to the nearest hobo-jungle, and promise to spread around a little "walking around money" if the denizens would get on the bus and pull the lever for a guy, gal, or issue they never heard of. Of course I can see why asoka-the-senses-with-stupidity would like to include the insane as they could send a whole fleet of busses to one institution, thereby making the whole scam much more efficient.

Ditto children voters. Hell since many voting precincts are located in schools, you could wake the little munchkins up from their naps, march them across the hall with their little blankies, and have them pull the lever for the NEA approved candidate du jour. A little cookies and kool-aide (to get them ready for a life of kool-aide drinking) and you could call it a day.

I can see it now:

ACORN worker to bat-shit insane voter:

"OK who are you going to vote for again?"

To which the voter replies, "Tree."

JHK made an important observation in his blog about the future of auto mobility. As fewer people are able to afford cars, those who have been foreclosed from the Happy Motoring utopia will have no choice but to take out their anger and frustration in violence. We are already witnessing the effects here in Detroit where gun violence has reached epidemic proportions. According to some estimates, less than half of the citizenry in Detroit own a car, yet living in the Motor City without one is not an option. Metro Detroit has no regional mass transit in place for its' five million residents. Those without access to cars rely on a cumbersome and inefficient bus service that hasn't changed much since the 1950's. To make matters worse, most of the jobs in Detroit are located in areas where public transit is either sporadic or non-existent Every attempt to create a viable regional mass transit system has run into a brick wall of resistance from the public, government bureaucrats and a powerful highway lobby even though everyone is all-too aware of the need for regional mass transit if Detroit is to compete for jobs in the 21st century. It makes one wonder if the prosperity of the 20th century has warped American's cognitive ability permanently.

gleason,

"AND IS THE GUY
whos on public radio so much...teches at uc berkeley...was a czar of sorts in clinton admin..."

I believe you are thinking of Robert Reich.

George,

The sad thing is that something like mass transit, which could broaden the opportunities of those seeking employment, must compete with all of the other government funded projects, many of which are worthless. So, in a city like Detroit to expect a new, well funded mass transit system to spring forth in this time of want is not likely.

That is what is so completely insane in what Obama is trying to pull off on a national level. We are already running in the red in just about every single government department from the local dog catcher up to the White House from sea to shining sea. The same is true in the private sector where things got a little fat(to say the least) and are now being cut to the bone for the very sake of survival. Yet the cuts from the government roles (especially the Federal government) have been slow to come.

And yet? And yet, Obama, who does not have enough in the way of revenues to pay for "what is" is undertaking an expansion of government that is breathtaking in its sheer size and scope. And the moron chorus of Pelosi, Reid, et al stand behind Dear Leader with their bobble-headed nods of yep-yep, un-huh as fast as their widdle noggins can bob.

We are passengers on the light-speed express. When the train hits the upended trestle the only thing worse than the damage from the impact will be the sound wave that follows. Its will not be pretty and it will not be denied. The train has already left the station.

Correctamente'. Businesses don't pay taxes, consumers of their products do. It's figured into the price of their product. My guess is that the Goldman Sachs of the world will always find a way to beat the system. Donate tons of money to a candidate, chances are a favor is expected in return.

Superimpose Peak Oil on top of the economic scene and you have dire straits to navigate. Heavy taxes on the rank and file in America only takes money out of the consumer economy, the lifeblood of our monetary existence. Sooner or later, the Kingfish and his posse will realize this, another historic moment in American history. Indeed, we are blessed for all these historic moments, are we not? You have to know this is one great country when you can have a dick like Sen. Leahy in the Senate.

Asoka,
However you define “pure democracy”, people do not become citizens of the United States by “expressing an interest”. There are many good reasons to refine the criteria more than that, but to point out the absurdity of what you purpose, I would ask; “why limit voting to human beings? That's it! Are you for “Universal Sufferage” or not? If you can slap your footprint on the right piece of paper, you are in, Man!” ...........Your proposal is just slightly more reasonable then that. Seriously, if you want to post this kind of thing here, I have to assume you are actually looking for abuse.

dale said: "I would ask; “why limit voting to human beings? That's it! Are you for “Universal Sufferage” or not?"

I am for "universal human suffrage" and the only criteria would be that a human being expresses an interest in voting.

Animals are not capable of expressing an interest in voting, so, no, I am not for "universal suffrage"

My proposal is serious and reasonable.

My criteria for voter eligibility is simple.

I am certainly not asking for abuse. I am not surprised by ill-intended commentary from some on CFN who are anti-democratic. But not from you, and I am disappointed in your reaction.

All I am trying to do is increase participation in our democracy. That does not merit abuse. But in the course of human history I realize that many have been persecuted for their efforts to expand access to the right of human beings to vote.

"Illegals" should definitely have the right to vote, since they have the right to a TIN number which allows them to pay income taxes, and since they pay sales taxes every time they buy products.

NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!

THE GOLDILOCKS ECONOMY
Look back to 1989
There were 250 million people in the USA
1990s
Enter Clinton [Greenspan ad nauseum were already at the top of the food chain, feeding at the govt trough]…the powers that be fobbed off THE GOLDILOCKS ECONOMY on us or tried to.
I.E. send the jobs to China, open the already too open borders and pile on debt like crazy!
Now its 2009……..USA has 60 million more people here, one job in 7? pays middle class wages and
IT’S THE GOLDI SACHS ECONOMY!

i found this aspect of the new un economy impossible to believe till I heard it on the radio on 2 different stations.....

thanks to HUD/ ACORN/ LA RAZA
5 MILLION ILLEGALS GOT LOW INCOME MORTGAGES..
ONE GOT NEARLY A MILLION DOLLARS

so hows that for the goldilocks/ goldisacs economy

ASHOK

JUST HIT THE BUTTON ONCE

Or hes conditioned!!

i save some newspaper headlines etc
and at times even the WSJ and LA Times face the facts...but not too often

today it was ' more of the same'...housing prices starting to climb
good earnings reports

WILL OBAMA BE IN OFFICE IF ALL THE 50 STATES HAVE UNEMPLOYMENT LIKE MICHIGAN?

AND IN MICH THOSE BENEFITS FOR MANY WILL SOON RUN OUT

"Alicia J. Alvez of Leominster came to the United States illegally 20 years ago. Like many illegal immigrants, she pays taxes with a tax identification number that she obtained from the Internal Revenue Service.

Many illegal immigrants work two or three jobs to survive, Ms. Alvez said. "You have to work double because they pay you less."

She, like many others, contends that the United States needs illegal immigrants. "We are a large part of the work force."

Kirk A. Carter, an immigration lawyer at Fletcher, Tilton & Whipple in Worcester, said obtaining a TIN through the IRS is relatively easy for an illegal immigrant.

"Immigrants have been doing it for years," he said. "They use a TIN number like a Social Security number. They pay millions, if not billions, of dollars that is taken from them and put into the Social Security retirement fund that they will never see any money from."

if you study facts..like history..and population demographics THINGS DONT LOOK GOOD

mexico went from 10 million to 100 million while dumping lotsa peps on usa

AND IN THE NEXT 80? YEARS ITS SAID THEIR 100 MILLION WILL GO TO 300 MILLION

the reason john mc cains [ he of so many mansions he didnt know if it was 7 or 8] 'hardworking people that deserve amnesty' keep showin up el norte is
THERE ARENT JOBS EL SOUTHE
AND THATS FOR THE 40? MILLION THAT HAVE MOVED HERE

since 1 in 4? that makes the move here is illiterate in spanish.....and the population is set to triple!!! in the lives of those uyoung thatll live to 80 or 90....well......

I THINK GRINGO LOST THE GAME

LOOK AT THE CHART FOR THE DOW
sept 08

at the mention of a 100? billion bailout by bush it started to collapse
this fear went WILD in 2009....i dont have the WSJ i saved in front of me but i did save
WORLD ECONOMIES COLLAPSING??? or some such..i can get and quote

the dow PILLAR TO TROUGH 2008 to low so far 2009

was it 12000 to 6300? or was it over 50% collapse

¡Claro que sí!

El gringo ya perdió porque los mejicanos están reclamando su tierra en el suroccidente de los estados unidos. Todavia es posible que los pueblos viven juntos en paz. Solo que el gringo será la minoridad. Espero que los gringos tengan derechos iguales como minoridad.

Of course the gringo has lost the game! Because the Mexicans are reclaiming their land in the southwest of the USA. It is still possible that the gringos and Mexicans live together in peace. Except now the gringos will be the minority and I will urge the Mexicans to vote to guarantee gringos equal rights as a minority.

Stop worrying about Latino immigration… they're heading home as their jobs croak off anyway.

They're not coming in so much, either: Mexican immigration down 42% over last two years

OK, that problem solved itself. Could we get back to JHK's perennial topics? Suburbia, peak oil, tattoos, his latest road trip?

GEE

If you could only get paul krugman in the NYTimes to interview you or print that there

he was for the trillion dollar bailout

thinks more should be added to it....because it was too little too late
pk ny times:
What Mr. Obama needs to do is level with the American people. He needs to admit that he may not have done enough on the first try. He needs to remind the country that he’s trying to steer the country through a severe economic storm, and that some course adjustments — including, quite possibly, another round of stimulus — may be necessary'

where do you live?

in los angeles most families once home speak a ' foriegn' language

ITS ABOUT CARRYING CAPACITY...peak oil being part of that

perhaps you live in rural or sub urban area

MEDIA WATCH 2009

It was ' enriques journey' that got the cover of the LA Times and a Pulitzer...

NOT ' LAST HOURS OF ANCIENT SUNLIGHT' or "the Long Emergency"

think of how the corporate media stacks the 'herds' deck !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

peeps have been indoctrinated into thinking debt is safe or good...


'Even though our State is now paying for its services with IOU's and the true unemployment rate is approaching 20% and home values have fallen off a cliff, people here are '

And at least some people are 40 years or older so maybe they think that this is the 70s all over again....only with brown skinned people [ viaraygosa/ barakO] as the leaders

as JHK pointed out it wasnt reagan and thacther?
that saved us from the 70s it was oil...
as i pointed out here soros former business partner was on AM radio warning people that Uk is in a depression and usa is headed that way...due to oil scarcity
and jim rogers of soros and rogers was a no limits to growth type last time i read any of his books

wasnt the nasdaq founded by bernie madoff???

is this not history repeating itself?

JHK was right in TLE..unfortunately

thanks to HUD/ ACORN/ LA RAZA
5 MILLION ILLEGALS GOT LOW INCOME MORTGAGES..
ONE GOT NEARLY A MILLION DOLLARS

I think you mean Country-Wide, dude, not HUD/ ACORN/ LA RAZA.

The CRA (Community Reinvestment Act mortages are not sub-prime, and have a low default rate. CRA applied to Banks, and were not collaterized.

Country-Wide ("we're on your side!") wasn't a bank.

Ashoka: You make our argument for us. Yes the Mexicans want their own Country in the Southwest and they intend to get it. Hundreds of thousands of Whites have fled California in last twenty years to get away from the crime and poverty that the Mexicans have created. There is no mystery-Mexicans will create Mexico wherever they go. Black are also being ethnically cleansed but in a more calculated way. Blacks are competitors for jobs and social services. Beyond that, it's a macho thing. On all levels, Mexicans are a stronger, more organized people than African Americans. Blacks are being defeated in the prisons, on the streets, and in the employment offices. While Whites flee to the Rocky Mountain States and Pacific Northwest, Blacks are returning to the South. Slowly the shape of a New America is begining to form. And of course the media says nothing even though the White Flight is one of the largest movements in American History. But why should they tell us, what purpose would it serve? It would only bring up questions they don't want answered. After all, the media is privately owned, as is the Federal Reserve. Bernake almost spilled it-they don't want the Fed's "independence" disturbed. Ah, if the rubes only knew. They will find out-but too late to matter.
But I ramble. You may yet get to be president, not Emperor, of a Black Nation in the Deep South. You can be President Washington Jefferson or whatever crazy name you have. Read Thomas Chittum's "Civil War Two" for more details about the possible break up of America along Ethnic Lines. This is the absolutely best possible solution to our problems. We can't go on like this, persecuting White Men because of their skin and gender. The Chinese Cultural Revolution only lasted a few years; our's has lasted for decades now. Call it democracy, egalitarianism or affirmative action-it all comes down to the same thing: a leveling down, a race to the bottom. Putting the smartest people out to pasture and glorifying the ignorant and incompetent. Imagine someone like Sotermayor as a Supreme Court Justice? It boggles the mind. She is a member of La Raza or The Race. Basically it's Nazism for little Brown People. Their motto is, "For our Race everything, and for other Races nothing." Yet not one of these fools has the decency or courage to call her on this.

Many of the comments continue to act on a "theme" of disgust and ridicule for various government agencies or officials. Although, there may be occasional acts of ideologically misguided governance, usually based on the concept of a "cosmic bogey-man" - for the most part our government employs people who share the perspective of self-dealing, self-importance and greed as those figures in the industries that influence them.

So again, I urge more suspicion, more inspection of the motives of these individuals, (Obama especially) rather than attribute their actions to stupidity; understand the money and influence that guides their misdeeds, their all-so-foolish, very ridiculous attempts to appear earnest in their efforts.

There's something going on here, but we don't know what it is. But we sure as hell know it doesn't bode well for the most part of the populace.


Gleason,
Never get the idea that, because I do not agree with Asoka's bizarre idea regarding what constitutes the “right to vote”, that I am in any way in agreement with you if you are expressing an anti-immigrant or racist policy for this country. I am currently sponsoring a family of Bhutanese immigrants who are here as refugees, having lived for 17 years in a refugee camp in Nepal. They were thrown out of Bhutan, the place of most of their birth, for exactly the same kind of xenophobic nonsense you appear to be spouting. There is, of course, a big difference between an “illegal immigrant” and a “refugee”.

I am for controlling immigration and I think such “wordspeak” as “undocumented” should not be used, you are either here legally or you are not, but discrimination and false attribution of crime statistics and other manifestations of racism are completely anathema to me. If I am accusing you of anything which does not reflect your views, please accept my regrets.

Asoka,
When you suggest that people who are hospitalized for having 'lost their senses' be allowed to vote, if they "express an interest", I don't think is all that great a distance from animal sufferage.

BTW -- my roommate in college was a member of La Raza, they would sometimes have parties at our house. There were ignorant racists in that group just as there are ignorant racists on this blog. Only the stupidity of the far right in this country would, after all this time, choose to demonize that particular group.

Violent internal convulsions are not about money or "equal opportunity". They're about food. When the food runs out, then you'll see Americans in the streets.

Every protest that has ever ended in the last 25 years here in America has ended at the local coffee shop/diner. That's the key factor: food. Food and bathrooms. It's all about food and bathrooms.

This is bizarre. Who are these people who think that we are in a reproductive race to see who can produce the most babies of a certain color?

Who cares if the Southwest goes back to brown people? The whole country was brown people at one time, you must know. Until the white people invaded and killed most of them.

And the Southwest WAS Mexico. Don't you people know that? The US invaded and took half of Mexico, and now you're screaming because some Mexicans live there?

I think you're all insane. (Those in the race to make babies). We don't need more people, we need less. I, for one, am not going to reproduce just to satisfy your particular demographic preference.

Yup, I live in rural Georgia. What's your point? There are plenty of Latino folks in this area… in fact, our pastor at church is from Guatemala. So what if people don't speak English at home? You could say the same thing about NYC 100 years ago.

Again, what is your point? If "they" are deciding not to come, and many of those already here are going back, why are you still complaining?

Regarding, "We have an awful lot to get real about," I doubt that the future will be like a cross between Green Acres and Gilligan's Island!
And regarding the president's "conventional thinking with no real vision," just look at the health-care reform saga as proof that poblic policy is formulated to serve corporate interests. And the common sense of health-care reform is perfectly evident to everybody---it goes to show you whose interests the federal government serves! In "Supercapitalism," Robert Reich explains that consumer/shareholder interests have benefited disproportionately at the expense of citizen/community interests during the past sixty years; that is, corporate interests have displaced citizen interests. Reich urges Americans to take back their democracy from the private-sector interests by getting involved in the process. Sadly, to me that sounds like trying to take back the house you sold: you sold the house...but, now you've changed your mind. Good luck! Thanks!

JIM
Maybe move the blog into the Kunstler Club, me thinks KC needs the attention


recent comments here about riots:
LA recently had a riot….after the Lakers won a Home game
As far as link from hunger to riots…
This riot was about LOOTING!!!!!!
I didn’t watch it on TV but from what I heard it was similar to previous LA riots…blacks and browns looting ……………………………..again I didn’t see it on TV but I don’t doubt my source

Wagelaborer posted;
"And the Southwest WAS Mexico. Don't you people know that?"

The Southwest was NOT Mexico. How is it you multicult types don't know this?

It really irritates me to hear Mexican nationalists (& their Anglo dupes) ranting about how the evil gringos stole Aztlan from their people. In actuality most of the lands they refer to had never at any point been under Mexican control. In actuality most of what Mexico surrendered to the US in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo were LAND CLAIMS, not actual regions of Hispanic settlement, let alone of Mexican control. The operative political authority in at least 95% of the West and Southwest at the time were the traditional governments of the Indian nations.

Mexico had no, repeat No, repeat emphasize, NO AUTHORITY WHATSOEVER over the Apache, the Comanche, the Navajo or any other Indians in the region except some beaten down Pueblos who lived near Taos. Mexican officials or soldados rash enough to attempt to assert authority over the free Indians usually suffered grisly deaths. In fact for decades before the American conquest, Nuevo Mexico had to pay an annual tribute
(ie, protection money) to the Commanches to leave them in peace.

As for the moral dimensions of Mexican nationalist arguments, don't make me laugh. Indians have the right to speak about these matters because it was their people who lived in these regions before the rise of the American Empire. But Mexico? Their claim to the West was never anything but a legal fiction inherited from the megalomanic delusions of the Spanish Monarchy....

"Many illegal immigrants work two or three jobs to survive, Ms. Alvez said. "You have to work double because they pay you less.""

Um hummm. Taking those income dollars from LEGAL American citizens. And don't give me that shit about illegals doing jobs that U.S. citizens won't do. That is so fucking yesterday. Illegal FUCKSTICKS have always been a problem but in this serious economic downturn their presence is an added insult to all but the mentally deficient. (Let's see who would that be on this blog? Duhhh, rhymes with big-dopa.)

"And the Southwest WAS Mexico."

Who the fuck cares? Men used to live in caves. The sun used to revolve around the earth. The border issues regarding the U. S have long since been resolved. There is not a foreign person currently alive that can say, "The U.S. stole land from my father or grandfather or great grandfather. The U.S. borders (save shifting landscape due to rivers changing course) have been established for quite some time. Now fucking deal with it.

Legal fiction or not, the U.S. took the Southwest from Mexico the old fashioned way -- a war.

As far as the first inhabitants go they're not actually native either. They migrated from Asia about 16,000 years ago over the Bering Land Bridge, so they're immigrants also. Everyone wants to close the door after they make it in.

dale incredibly said: "Asoka,
When you suggest that people who are hospitalized for having 'lost their senses' be allowed to vote, if they "express an interest", I don't think is all that great a distance from animal sufferage."

I guess it will be a long, long time before people with physical illness and mental illness will be given equal respect. Or do you want to take away the right to vote from people hospitalized with physical illness also?

With all due respect, if a person has "lost their senses" do you think that person is going to be clamoring to go to a voting booth and vote? (if they do, they should be allowed)

Use your head will you?

And stop trying to take rights away from people who have had the misfortune to suffer a mental illness. Animals can NOT express interest in voting. People with mental illness may or may not express such interest. Those who do should be allowed to vote.

What is your fear? Do you think residents of an insane asylum are less rational than some who post on CFN? Do you think the "mentally ill bloc" is going to suddenly sway elections?

I wish people really did believe in FREEDOM to vote instead of just mouthing the words about fighting wars to protect the freedom to vote.

Expressing an interest in voting should be the ONLY requirement... not age, not economic status, not in prison or out, not in an insane asylum or out, not "legal" or "illegal"... simple... if you really believe in democracy.

Asoka asks:
"What is your fear? Do you think residents of an insane asylum are less rational than some who post on CFN?"
------------------------------
Some of the people who post here may be IN an asylum. At least, that would explain some of the nonsense that gets written.

"Democracy" of the sort you are suggesting, is no panacea for social or economic problems, it has it's own limitations and shortcomings which need to be considered. Bottom line, the founders established conditions, and those conditions have been modified over the years, but the intention is clearly to establish "rights" for people who by birth or through nationalization reside here. If you are waiting for anyone who can "expresses an interest" to be allowed to vote, you'll have a long wait, and for reasons too good and numerous to go into here. I'm not going to waste any more time with it.

As for my comments on animal rights, perhaps you should consider whether you lack the same respect for animals I do, instead of finding my views an insult to humans. It's all a matter of perspective after all.

Should scientific truth be decided by voting? No? Then why do we imagine the majority is right about political and social issues?
He thinks that the ancient Indian Empreror Ashoka was Black too. Such simple creatures they are!

Actually a kind of voting does determine what is scientific "truth"... for years medical science used leaches (that was what was believed true at the time), then using leaches was discontinued (considered to be old fashioned), now leaches are being used again (consensus equals "scientific truth")

SOURCE: By what mechanism do leeches help to salvage ischaemic tissues? A review. by Whitaker IS, Cheung CK, Chahal CA, Karoo RO, Gulati A, Foo IT. British Journal of Oral Maxillofacial Surgery. 2005 Apr;43(2):155-60.

Scientific consensus is the collective judgement, position, and opinion of the community of scientists in a particular field of study. Consensus implies general agreement, though not necessarily unanimity. Scientific consensus is not by itself a scientific argument, and it is not part of the scientific method. Nevertheless, consensus may be based on both scientific arguments and the scientific method.

Consensus is normally achieved through communication at conferences, the process of publication, replication (reproducible results by others) and peer review. These lead to a situation where those within the discipline can often recognize such a consensus where it exists, but communicating that to outsiders can be difficult. On occasion, scientific institutes issue position statements intended to communicate a summary of the science from the "inside" to the "outside". In cases where there is little controversy regarding the subject under study, establishing what the consensus is can be quite straightforward.

Scientific consensus may be invoked in popular or political debate on subjects that are controversial within the public sphere but which may not be controversial within the scientific community, such as evolution.

Government is good. Government solves problems.

"Sarah Palin's "cap and tax" opinion piece printed in the Washington Post this week reminds me of every naysayer who has spoken out against progress in cleaning up pollution.

Whether it was the debate over the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act, the Superfund law or any of our other landmark environmental laws, one pattern has always been clear:

Time and time again, pessimists -- often affiliated with polluting industries -- predicted loss of jobs and great costs to taxpayers. And time and time again, our environmental laws have cleaned up the water we drink, the air we breathe, and the communities we live in at far lower cost than expected."
--Barbara Boxer

As Woody Guthrie sang: "Which side are you on, boys? Which side are you on?"

I'm with the optimists. I see the good government has done. I want higher tax rates. We already saw what Reagan's deregulation and Bush's tax cuts have done to increase the deficit and ruin the economy.

"What the nation -- including President Obama -- can't seem to get through its head is that the USA has entered a period of epochal economic contraction." That's an excellent summation of the political, economic and psychological dilemma that North America is facing in 2009. Case in point: President Obama's recent trip to the Middle East. Does Obama think that his goodwill gestures to the Muslim world will make them put aside their collective grievances against The West and Israel and quit terrorizing our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan? Does he think that winning the hearts and minds of moderate Arabs will make the energy pipeline from the Middle East to The West more secure and allow us to continue living like it's 1999? Does Obama really believe that Israel will be safer if it gives up more territory to the Palestinians? Note to Obama: Israel covers less than one percent of the land in the Middle East and is no more than thirty miles wide maximum. No degree of accommodation on the part of Israel is going to make the Palestinians join hands with their Jewish neighbors and sing hallelujah.

Aszasz posted:

"The border issues regarding the U.S. have long since been resolved.... The U.S. borders... have been established for quite some time. Now fucking deal with it."

Aszasz I totally agree with your sentiments but I think you're missing the point. The border issues are NOT resolved and the razistas ARE dealing with it. As for the borders having been "established for quite some time", that sounds like something one of Santa Anna's ministers would have said in 1835 when the Texan Revolution broke out or again in 1846, just before the Mexican–American cold war went hot.

It takes takes all parties to a dispute to resolve the issue but only one side to re-open the whole can of worms. Like it or not, the can of worms IS open again. Cans of whup-ass likely to follow... if History is any guide (and it usually is).

Ok, in terms of your response, my point is
that the leeches were always good, even when the
consensus was wrong. The One Worlders have tried
to ram through a fake consensus about global warming that just doesn't exist among climate scientists. Now they threatening reprisals against "deniers". Huh, now where have I heard that before? Could those be the people behind this scam? One person who is definetly behind it is the billionaire Bilderberger Maurice Strong. The trail is detectable if you look. The whole global warming thing was planned at very high levels as a gambit towards World Goverment. The whole thing got rolling when the U.N had a conference years ago. They cherry picked the differnt papers to produce an alarmist report. Many of the scientists quoted are violently opposed to their name being used at this point. And truly, the environmental movement has squandered an immense amound of credibility on this scam.
The opposite situation exists among psychologists who study g, or general intelligence. There is a consensus among them that the races differ in intelligence with the sacred cow Black Race almost at the bottom ahead of only the Australoids. The pure blooded Negro has the amazingly low IQ of only 65-70. The poor Australoids come in at 60. Needless to say, these scientists are ruthlessly persecuted. Wasn't it Professor Watson who recently lost his position as head of a foundation for simply refering to these facts? No, it wasn't his specialty, but the truth is known to people who are well read in the sciences. If the Truth came out, it would show that our Multicult is a vicious lie and that we have turned our society inside our for nothing. In other words, the Revolution would come to a screeching stop. So men like Jenson, Rushton, Weyl, Murray, Hernstein, Pearson, etc are silenced, persecuted, and even physically attacked.
We desperately need some kind of leech to eat away the poison of Cultural Marxism that is destroying the West. Consensus is possible, but only in a sane society. Peer review and replication of results are immensely important, but they cannot help if the scientists involved are too frightened to even do the experiments or too compromised to review the studies fairly.

A good point Shane; one that lies at the heart of the Liberal Fantasy. Like Drunks they love the World and think that it loves them back. Wrong! Perhaps it's their upbringing. Countless little boys are taught that it takes two to start a fight. What a lie. No, it takes two to fight but only one to start it. Unless of course, the boy is expected to give up all his honor. And of course, that is what teachers (usually women) do expect. And then they wonder why men aren't gentlemen anymore. They expect men to treat them with honor but the man isn't entitled to any himself.
Disgusting. Such men grow up to craven dogs; slaves in search of Masters, be they Black, Jews, Muslims, Hispanics-anything as long as it isn't White and Western. They want to be good and to be acknowledged as such by these authority figures. And the best way to win this approval is to betray other Whites: the modus operandi of affirmative action. I'm a good one, not like those evil White Men, the little boy man shrieks.
The non Whites smile with contempt and pat his brainless little head. He is overwhelmed with masochistic joy. Intoxicated like this, they will give away everything our Ancestors bequeathed to us.

---> "The border issues regarding the U.S. have long since been resolved.... The U.S. borders... have been established for quite some time."

This is what ZsaZsa says. I'm not saying it, you are.

Do you have some problem with what ZsaZsa said?

WTF? or how he arrived at this decision? If you do then say so, and say something about that. Otherwise, stop wasting everybody's time, asshole.

Based on your quote I would say ZsaZsa has done his homework and you are retarded.

It's called the border. Jim, where do you find these twits? They love you. How's Kris Kan? Does she lick ass, like they say? I wanna know.

asoka-the-producers sez:

"I want higher tax rates"

Of course you do you parasitic fucktard. You want SOMEONE ELSES taxes raised. I'd be willing to bet a dollar to a donut that you are one of the approx. 50% of U.S. citizensthat pay no income tax. Of course leaches such as yourself want higher taxes. That is what leaches do, suck the blood of donors (aka tax payers).

"The border issues are NOT resolved ..."

Really? What are those little booths I must stop at when entering Mexico and the United States? You know, the ones flying national flags and staffed with armed border guards.

JR, maybe the Kris question should better be asked at her site? You might like her Hot For Words, or the latest one where she's interviewing herself.

http://www.kriscan.com/

Wonder if I can get her to interview Jim in my place. I don't feel like driving out to Pluto anymore.

aszasz posted:

"Really?"

Aww man , can't you tell when people are joking? Of course I know the US-Mexican border issue is resolved. Why you said it all yourself:

"What are those little booths I must stop at when entering... the United States?"

What fool of a cholo would challenge our massively fortified frontier?

"staffed with armed border guards"

These elite legions are doing a CRACKERJACK job of holding the hispanic hordes at bay.

"flying national flags"

These magical talismans exert a powerful effect on the primitive mind of the mestizo.

And if all of that wasn't enough, there is also the insuperable obstacle of the mighty torrent that divides America from the Third World, the great river... DENIAL.

Jaego Scorzne posted:

"The non Whites smile with contempt and pat his brainless little head. He is overwhelmed with masochistic joy. Intoxicated like this, they will give away everything our Ancestors bequeathed to us."

I think I've seen this exact interaction happen.

"slaves in search of Masters, be they Black, Jews, Muslims, Hispanics- anything as long as it isn't White and Western. They want to be good and to be acknowledged as such by these authority figures."

No doubt about it, the dynamics of White Liberal-minority interactions are really weird....

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Good. You agree that it is known when one puts their foot on the ground they are aware in which country they stand. Now, if you wish to argue the issue of whether or not the sovereignty of our nation is being recognized and enforced that is an entirely different discussion. I would argue that it is not.


Jaego, I am definitely with you on this IQ thing. I say we start with a two-pronged program: extermination and sterialization. As implied by your post, initially our targets will be IQ-based. We get rid of the Australoids first (I guess these are Aborigines, right? Wasn't there an Aboriginy chick a couple of decades ago who was a great tennis player - Goolagong, I think. But no matter ... she goes with the rest of them).

We perfect our tactics with these relatively harmless Australoids and then move on to the really problematic blacks. Don't ya just hate those REALLY B-L-A-C-K ones! The ones sooo black they give off an almost purple aura. I'm gettin excited and I'm wandering ... so we crank up the ovens ... I suggest natural gas based ovens since nat gas is very plentiful, and incredibly cheap vs oil. Also, much smaller carbon footprint. Simultaneous to the extermination program we sterilize both newborn blacks AND their mothers while we've got them more or less at our mercy in the stirrups. If we didn't nip the birth rate in the bud it would be like "shovin shit against the tide" as the expression goes, with that many more to exterminate later.

Now, I'm not sure who comes next on the IQ list but I trust you've got the numbers. Who ever's next - I have no doubt they're a bunch of swarthy bastards - we get rid of them too. And what about Eskimos ... they can't be too bright? I'm just guessing and I defer to you. Also, people who live in rain forests. They're backward as hell, right?

We work our way up till we get to whites ...... I AM assuming we whites are at the top of the IQ list ..... right? We keep the whites but then there are whole other categories and classes that I think have to go, e.g. women with butterfly tatoos at the ankle, short people and people who like rap. I'm sure you feel the same, i.e. that there are reasons other than IQ for eliminating people. We can meet, discuss and come to agreement.

Come to think of it the way this may wind up is we get rid of EVERYBODY but you, me and a dozen or so young and exceptionally smart white chicks ... preferably with big tits.

More evidence the doom and gloom scenario just isn't happening... more evidence of Obama's success in turning around the Bush recession.

This success will just keep spiraling up. Health reform will take pressure off small business and even more jobs will be created, more revenue generated... an upward progressive spiral toward economic health.

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More plans to build homes, higher stock prices and fewer people filing first-time claims for jobless benefits sent a forecast of U.S. economic activity higher than expected in June.

It was the third consecutive monthly increase for the New York-based Conference Board's index of leading economic indicators and another sign pointing toward an improving economy. The measure rose 0.7 percent last month; analysts polled by Thomson Reuters expected a gain of 0.4 percent.

The group also said activity in the six-month period through June rose 2 percent, with an annual growth rate of 4.1 percent. That's the strongest rate since the first quarter of 2006.

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...ahem....
in disgussing green cars with similar minds I was told the Prius has a part created in central Canada, and the creation of that is damaging their enviornment
For those who have a car there is a way to positively impact the enviornment IF YOU MUST DRIVE..and that is to ' keep your clunker' for as long as it runs
takes alot less from the enviornment despite its mpg, whatever that may be

THE WHOLE IDEA OF A GREEN CAR IS ABSURD....unless a green car is one painted green as opposed to black

AND IS THE RUMOR THAT BLACK WILL BE OUTLAWED AS A CAR COLOR TRUE? SO ONLY L.E.O. will have black sedans?

Wobble Time really resonates with me. So much so, I want to share it with non-believers. Alas, I am one of those "types" who likes to cite references to back up claims. I wish there was a version of Wobble Time with cited references. The non-believers will not be easily swayed without. I am a new member of CFN, so maybe there are such citation-laced documents on the website. I have not looked yet. Can anyone help out a newbie?

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Working and also sprinting will be this kind of well-known showing off function in which several sportsmen are usually eager regarding celebrity, bundle of money and also subject. Lots of people aided condition the regarding working being a sports activity. Roger Bannister, the initial at any time to perform any distance within just several moments, established the initial document about May well 6, 1954 with Iffley Path Observe inside Oxford within a satisfy involving the English AAA and also Oxford School and also experienced simply by concerning 3, 000 race fans. Getting the particular inaugural beneficiary with the Sporting activities Created Player with the Yr inside 1955 and also 1954 Player with the Yr plus a known neurologist that is very identified regarding his / her excellent energy and also key share in neuro-scientific school treatments referred to as autonomic disappointments, until recently, this individual is constantly on the motivate joggers. The particular accomplishment regarding Bannister, nonetheless, won't become overtaken simply by any sportsperson since Bannister can constantly support the document being the particular "first" and also anyone who will come subsequent will simply become referred to as the next.

One more number which added for the multi-colored historical past regarding working being a sports activity has been U . s . David Cleveland "Jesse" Owens which earned several rare metal medals through the 1936 Berlin Summer season Olympics in which this individual still left the particular 110, 000 Berlin masses and also sportsmen inside shock and also astonishment profitable a single honor each and every inside the 100 and also 2 hundred metres, extended hop so when a part with the pass on staff. Owens has been the initial African-American to be able to gain the particular sponsorship regarding Adidas fitness boot business, created simply by Adi Dassler. Inspite of the recognize and also celebrity this individual taken to The usa, this individual had not been offered virtually any reputation or perhaps bequeathed recognizes from the next Chief executive Roosevelt or perhaps heir Chief executive Truman. This individual has been known as Ambassador regarding Sporting activities inside 1955 in the course of Chief executive Eisenhowers moment. Just like Bannister, Owens furthermore used the particular document if you are the particular "first" inside his or her own approach.

Keeping around the paths doesnt must push one to countless and also harrowing education that you can work and never having to be competitive regarding games, celebrity and also bundle of money. An individual also may be motivated simply by Bannister and also Owens with out automatically signing up for tournaments since working can be quite a application to boost shape and also concurrently a great opportunity to produce sociable interactions.


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